Tarek Chaudhary Pt. 2: The Synergy of Physical Health, Leadership, and Spiritual Transformation in Personal and Professional Growth

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Right, You're like that buzzer ain't rang.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
That game ain't over with, so keep going.
I have thrived in that chaos.
How could?
This be happening?
Did any of you guys payattention to anything I said?

Speaker 1 (00:26):
anything I said like get arrested guess until they
get the message.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Welcome back to the reckless ceo podcast where we
keep it real raw and recklessabout business and life.
They ain't really gotten thesauce and I ain't got you know
what I mean.
It's like here is your host thereckless ceo himself, michael
mcgutter.
Welcome back to the recklessceoless CEO Podcast.
And I got an old friend in withme today.
Man, it's been a minute.

(00:49):
Huh, it has, brother.
It's good to be back, tarek, Iam excited to catch up and just
see.
You know just how much thingshave you know changed for you?
I know the last time that youknow you were in, obviously it
was just getting into a lot ofthe kind of consulting stuff and
doing all that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
So I'm excited to hear about that.
You look like you picked up anew bodysuit from somebody on
the way in.
Hey man, when I saw myself oncamera when we were here, I was
like whoa, I did not know, I letmyself go like that.
They say the camera adds somepounds, yeah, but you know what
man, something I like to say manis if shit ain't tight,
something ain't right.
And if I was at that point?
where my body was that out ofshape, there was still something

(01:37):
that was inside of me thatwasn't taken care of.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well, it's kind of like that idea of the people
that go through spurts ofdepression and things like that.
Right, it's like the telltalesigns, are you?
Go into their home and it's adisaster and they don't even
know it.
You know what I mean, andobviously that's the difference
between a psyche and the body,but at the end of the day it's
all kind of connected right.

(02:00):
So it's like whatever thereality is is usually the
reality.
That's this plan in your headyeah, dude, you do it 100%.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Like the things we put into our body that change
our body, change the chemistryof our minds, to you know what
I'm saying.
Yeah, the food we eat is what'sfeeding our minds.
That's good and it has a.
It has a huge impact, man.
So, yeah, I definitely madethat a priority in my life since
I was last year.
I think I'm down like 25 pounds.
Oh, you look good bro.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Thanks bro, and you got a little more tan.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, you know that summer tanGoing on all those trips to
South Florida.
Yeah, it doesn't hurt whenyou'res down there.
There's a lot of networking, alot of relationships down there.
Man.
Yeah, dude, a lot.
I saw were you on what?

Speaker 1 (02:51):
was the.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Spofford.
Did you meet Eric Spofford?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I went to.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Spofford's Mansion Mastermind.
How was that?
It a lot of great connectionsout there, man.
A lot of great connectionsbuilt some really strong
relationships.
I was just on the phone withone of the guys I met there
yesterday.
You know he's doing a lot oflike turnarounds and
acquisitions and then we talkedabout what I do with the

(03:16):
leadership and the culturaltransformations and we're
developing a partnership and thefirst one we're going to do the
turnaround in is for anotherguy that we both met there.
Yeah, really, you know.
So, yeah, it was.
It's an absolutely phenomenalbolt on.
Plus, like I got last minuteasked to do a podcast that night
after we we finished the vipsession.

(03:37):
Um, one of the guys his guestscanceled 10 minutes before the
podcast.
Really, he was a bro, can youdo it?
I said send me your address.
He sent me the address was nextdoor to my hotel.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
No way, that's alignment.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, yeah.
That is that content actuallyjust started coming out this
week.
Okay, and what was any of thatpodcast?
Uh, that one was um was, it wascash name.
I can't remember the name ofthe damn podcast now.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
We'll drop it in the show notes if they want to find
it and check it out.
We always want to support otherpodcasts.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
For sure man Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
So, dude, tell me it's been a little bit since
you've been in here last man.
I know you've got a book comingout, a lot of big things in the
works, man, so kind of catch usup on kind of what's been going
on for you lately.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, brother, look, since I came out here and did
that three days with y'all man,it really edified a lot of
things in what I'm doing.
And look, I'll tell you thistoo, bro, we did that podcast.
Yeah.
You know I got my first clientafter you as a result of that
podcast.
Really.
Yeah, flew out to Detroit.
Another roofing company I thinkthat guy sterling yeah, yeah,

(04:49):
yeah, yeah, he reached out to mehim and I connected a little
bit.
Yep, absolutely, man, it wentreally well bro.
Yeah, it went really well, itwas a one-day engagement yeah,
um, but it was much needed.
Yeah, much needed bro.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, I know that and I will obviously share, you
know, all of his, his insight,but he kind of you know, shared
with me on just some of the youknow unfortunate things that has
happened through.
You know the lifespan of andyou know it's kind of having to
like restart and rebuild and andyou know all of that and you
know, so I know that obviouslythe skillset that you have, it
you know, fits perfect, you knowto what he was looking for.

(05:14):
But, um, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'msuper.
What was the, the focus on kindof what you guys were, I guess,
geared towards?
What did the one day entail?

Speaker 1 (05:24):
So it was a lot of cultural and organizational
optimization.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Right, and that's really what he asked for too,
right.
Yeah, because him and Iactually connected on spiritual
coaching.
Okay, and it was after a coupleweeks doing some spiritual
coaching where he was like, oh,I could really use your help
with my business man.
Yeah, here's where I'm at andit was about some of the
relationships and the cultureand obviously having to navigate
through turmoil in themarketplace and everything

(05:50):
changing this year, and so itwas really a lot about culture
and effective communicationwithin the company, that's good,
you know, clear roles andresponsibilities, everyone being
on the same page.
Trust rapport, everyone all inunderstanding the mission,
executing the mission, who'sresponsible for what?
Not overstepping boundaries?

(06:11):
And a big, big, big part of itwas all about killing ego.
Yeah, right, and there was alot of ego.
Yeah, you know, and naturallyyou know, ego shows up when
there's a lot of pressure.
Yeah, you know, it's only, it'shuman nature.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, you know, it's only, it's human nature.
Yeah Well, it's your defaultyou know what I mean.
And then, like, you have toconstantly train that muscle,
just like you know any othermuscle, right?
So it's like you know whathappens, because you might be.
Have you heard of spiraldynamics?
No, so it's essentially it's ayou know, they, they, they said
there's like levels to spiraldynamics and it's really kind of

(06:45):
the the pathway of humandevelopment.
They see it that way, right,it's like so, basically, at you
know, at one level you have, youknow, 40 percent of the world
is like shelter and foodno-transcript.

(07:31):
And one of the levels is like apower God level, right, and so a
lot of times, what happens withyou know the ego side and the
power God level is that, youknow, people look up to certain
people for an extent.
They see, you know they'redoing, and it becomes like I
want that, I want that power, Iwant people to look at me like
that, I want to be so then theyget to that point as well and if

(07:54):
they don't transcend and kindof work themselves out of that
to understand, going intosignificance and being able to
create opportunity for otherpeople, and it's really a it,
it's a cool concept, right.
But you know, one of thosebiggest things in it is that
that ego, that power got level,that you know you get the power

(08:16):
and you know, do you use thewhat to say?
You use the people to love themoney or do you use the money to
love the people, right.
And so you, you know it's a lotof young leaders especially
right.
They get that or maybe they hadan early success and they hang
their hat on that success andthen they struggle to.
You know, develop Right.

(08:37):
And if you're not growing,you're dying.
And especially in theorganization.
That's one of the hardestthings with any business, I
think, is that with businessowners, you can't stop.
You can't stop developing, youcan't stop growing, you can't
stop improving yourself, becauseif you aren't growing and
improving, the people that areunder you now are going to

(08:59):
outgrow you, Bro.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
If the people in your business aren't growing, your
business isn't growing 100% 100%.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
But as the leader, I've seen businesses grow, but
the leader not grow.
You, bro, if the people in yourbusiness aren't growing, your
business isn't growing 100 100.
But as the leader, I've seenbusinesses grow but the leader
not grow.
You know what I?

Speaker 1 (09:10):
mean they grow to a potential far less than what
they're capable of.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
You know what I'm saying well, not that idea of
like uh, john maxwell talksabout it, right, he's like.
You know, you're always the theceiling in your business, and
wherever your ceiling is, thepeople underneath you are only
going to be able to develop sofar to be under that ceiling
before you can't lead themanymore or they're going to
basically start leaving youbecause they know that they need

(09:35):
more too.
You know what I mean?
I mean business relationships,all of it right.
The key is to find those peoplethat you can grow with.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, bro, it's like what we talked about.
You want to scale your business, scale the lives of the people
who support your business 100%.
You know what I'm saying 100%.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, man, no, no, I love that, bro.
But back to the book.
Well, we got to talk about that, or talk about the you know
kind of where you're at.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I know you're speaking more that going bro.
Look for me, man.
It's beautiful because I don'thave any expectations yeah, none
.
So I can't be let down byanything.
Yeah, all I care to do, bro, ishave the courage and the
capability to do what god tellsme to that's good and I tell you
what man, the the stronger myfaith gets, the stronger the
pursuit of the evil one gets.
You know, and and I've had quitethe journey since we've left
here, bro, you know, I had, Ihad a very short experience in a

(10:29):
slip in my sobriety and it wassuch a gift to me, man.
It was only, you know, one day,um, but it really opened up a
lot of personal inventory andexploration, which is something
I used to do on a daily basis.

(10:49):
But then I started shifting mypriorities and my focuses to
serving outwardly and I stoppedserving inwardly and an
opportunity presented itselfwhere I got thrown off balance
spiritually.
And next thing, I know I'mdrinking and I didn't even know
it was happening.
And it just got me to a pointwhere it's like, okay, well,

(11:13):
what do I do with this?
Like the old me talk aboutspiral dynamics would have
spiraled into guilt, shame,disappointment, self-hatred, all
this stuff.
But then, all the work thatI've done, all the coaching that
I give, I was able to go backto my own belief system that
I've created and be like, okay,I'm a human being, I recognize

(11:35):
what led me to this, what am Igonna do?
I could have gotten away withit.
Nobody would have ever knownexcept me, and that secret would
have made me sick and sicker,and sicker, and sicker, because
I'm not honoring myself, youknow, I'm fear of it.
It would have been fear ofpersecution, fear of consequence
, fear of judgment, all thatstuff.

(11:57):
But I was like, nah man, honesty, it's got to be honesty yeah,
so the day after it happened, Itold everybody, you know, I told
everyone like, hey, here'swhere I'm at.
Man, I love myself too much tokeep this a secret and this is
just part of my journey.
I stopped letting the spiritualprogram that was the pillar of
my life be the most importantpillar of my life, but there's

(12:18):
been so much tremendous growthin so many facets and I view
that as growth, not a setback.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Because now my spiritual program is so much
deeper, so much stronger, and Iedified my own coaching.
Yeah, like all I it's.
It's wild when you think aboutit and there's actually some
science behind it.
But when you hear yourselfspeak, a perspective like, and
you observe it and you see itand you watch it, it sticks even
more with you.
Yeah, and so literally like I'mgoing back through, through all
my stuff and it's like this iswho I am yeah you know, like all
I gotta do is take my owncoaching in this situation.

(12:57):
And I'll say this man, the onehardest thing about being honest
with it was telling my ex-wifeyeah, you know because, when you
have kids with.
Yeah, man and you know, thelast time I this cycle started,
you know I lost custody of mykids, yeah, and so there's that
seed of doubt and that seed offear inside of me.
It's like I mean, you toldother people why do you got to

(13:20):
tell her, yeah, you know, butit's.
Where's the courage in that,where's the honesty in that?
Where's the humility in that?
Yeah.
Where's the self love in that?
And it was like, look, I didwhat I did and it's up to God,
you know, all I can do is theright thing, and it's up to God
to decide what the consequencesare.
And so I told her what happened.

(13:52):
And here's the other thing too,bro, like I uh, it's really
interesting because the day ithappened was a the day I did my
third ketamine treatment.
And so I'm in this space and inthis, this purge, and in this
shedding and and in thisremapping of my neural pathways,
and all of a sudden, like thisopportunity for resentment came
up.
And I'm in that state, almostlike defense lifts and like
being recreated, if you will,and literally, like I didn't

(14:15):
even go looking for it, like itquite literally came knocking on
my door.
And next thing, I know I'mdoing it and I don't even
realize I'm doing it, man and um, but it was, it was a gift, it
was an opportunity for growth.
Like, what are you going to dowith this, bro?
God was like I brought thisinto your life, I brought this
hardship, I brought this lesson.
Are you a man who's trulycapable of pursuing everything,

(14:36):
not losing?
Because my number one prayer,bro, is God, no matter what
happens.
Never let my faith waver.
Lord, what's not meant for me,take it from me at whatever cost
, like I, just full surrender.
And so he was like all right,bro, let's see.
Let's see where you're at, youknow, is your faith truly strong

(14:57):
enough to do the right thing inthis situation and not act in
fear, but act in faith, justlike I talk about in my book you
know, and I walked in my faith,bro, and I walked in my faith
bro and.
I just told my ex-wife the truthand I told her how it happened,
why it happened, what I'm doingabout it, what's different, and
leaving the consequence ofanything up to her.
You know what I'm saying.
Like, I'm prepared to takewhatever consequence there is
because honesty is the only wayforward for me, and that in

(15:20):
itself.
How did she?
Receive that.
She Um that.
In itself she received that.
She was a little bit emotional,rightfully, so you know what
I'm saying.
She's got trauma and scars fromfrom what it was like in the
past, but my actions over thelast two years speak much louder
than my words.
My actions spoke volumes thededication, the commitment,

(15:40):
walking away from my career,focusing on my spirituality,
focusing on my mental health,prioritizing everything, not
going back to the old life, likemy actions were the truth.
My words were one thing, but myactions were the validation and
the truth.
And so she didn't forget that.
It's hard to forget who I'vebeen the last two years and I'm

(16:02):
still that person.
You know that's an even betterversion of that person, but you
know that's the spiritual aspectof everything, man, and I say
that for the sole importance of,like spirituality and
transformation.
And spirituality isn't like aone and done.
Oh, no, it's a daily practiceexactly man yeah it's a way of
living, it's a daily practice,and when I prioritize my desire

(16:24):
to serve, my desire to pursueGod's calling for my life, I
stop making my program apriority.
And the moment I stop makingthat a priority, the evil one
got the best of me.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, and it was beautiful man.
It was absolutely beautiful.
It was beautiful man.
It was absolutely beautifulLike the version of myself who I

(16:45):
am, having gone through thatthat's, you know, like I can
like, shake my own hand and belike I'm proud of you.
That's incredible.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, man, what is like?
What do you think was the youknow, obviously the program and
you know not doing all thethings that keeps you at that
level, and those things fall off.
Things happen.
But how do you feel like youdrifted away from the direction
that you're so positive on?
Not saying that you've changedyour mind on that, but how do

(17:18):
you think you kind of ended upin that scenario again?
Was it just focusing onbusiness and life and all of
those things and kind of letspirituality slip?
You're traveling, becausethere's a lot of people out
there that go through those samethings.
Right, they're getting sober,they're feeling great, even if
it's years at a time, and thenthey fall off.
And, just like you just said,it's like even when you fall off

(17:41):
, you're not just falling off.
Right then.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
right, not just falling off right then.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Right, like you were falling off back here, right,
but but you, you didn't catch ituntil it happened, right, and
so is there anything that youfelt was, you know, um, just
kind of pulling you away fromthat Maybe.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, 100% man.
I, I, I neglected to completewhat I started.
I neglected to complete what Istarted.
Things got good enough, lifegot beautiful, everything was
going great and my ego got thebest of me.

(18:17):
Yeah, because it was like well,I don't need to be this
disciplined in that part of mylife anymore.
Look how beautiful my life is.
Yeah, yeah.
You know I'm fine putting it onthe back burner, you know, and
I stopped doing regular dailyinventories.
Yeah, that's good.
You know, like every day I gotto check myself Like how did I
show up today?
Who was I today?
What was I like in humaninteractions?

(18:39):
How did I treat people?
What were the things goingthrough my mind?
Did I experience jealousy, bias, resentment, greed?
Did I experience joy,selflessness, grace and humility
?
I would do that on a dailybasis.
And I stopped doing it on adaily basis and then, lo and

(18:59):
behold, man, there was arelationship in my life that I
didn't show up my best inbecause it triggered, like, the
insecure parts of myself and Iwasn't doing what I knew I
needed to do because I stoppedmaking a priority.
Had I been doing that dailyinventory, every single day,

(19:20):
like I always had, thatresentment would have never
happened and that resentmentmade me act out of character
because of my ego.
And when I say my ego, myinsecurity is the strongest form
of my ego.
It makes me do dumb shit, itmakes me act like a child.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I think it's probably most of us do.
And what do angry children do?

Speaker 1 (19:39):
We act out and that's what I did, but it was
beautiful because I had thatrecognition and I had the grace
to give myself to be like.
That's what I did, you know,but it was beautiful because I
had that recognition and I hadthe grace to give myself to be
like.
That's what happened.
The solution's right there yeahit's not that you're not good
for nothing.
It's not that you're not goodenough.
It's not that you just howcould you do this?
None of that, man.
It's like how did I allow thisto happen and how am I gonna

(19:59):
make sure it doesn't happenagain?
That's good yeah, you know, andum, it was phenomenal man like
the relief, the gratitude, thegrace, the, the love I gave
myself and all that man, it wasphenomenal, yeah and to not be
afraid of consequence or fear,like to have enough faith.
yeah, you know what I'm saying.
My faith was stronger than myfear.
And while I was going throughthat, that ketamine treatment

(20:23):
here's the thing too, because,like you know, I talk to people
about it.
Like I talked to my ex-wife.
I was like yo, I'm going to dothis ketamine stuff.
You know, I went through thepsychiatric evaluation with the
doctors at the place, like Itold everyone there, like yo,
I'm an addict, I'm an alcoholic.
Like I'm in with everyone aboutit.

(20:46):
I didn't keep it a secret, likeI communicated with people.
But you know the one person Inever communicated to my sponsor
, right?
So, case in point, I juststopped doing what I knew the
right thing to do was yeah,Because life got great.

(21:07):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
And it just for me, man, it'sso liberating bro.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah Well and dude and two, I think that you know,
when you have been kicked somany times and you've been able
to bring yourself back out ofthat and get kicked and bring
yourself back out of it andevery time that you go down you
see a better version of yourselfthat inspires you through those
times.

(21:35):
Sometimes, 100% right, it'slike you're, like you're
confident in your abilitybecause for two years you did
this thing, yup, right, and so,and, and, and.
You have transcended, you know,as an individual over 10.
Right, it's like all of theseexperiences that you've got.
It's like I think that's whyit's so important to you know do

(21:58):
the work 100%.
Because things do happen.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
And do it every day.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Do it every day, man.
It's a lifestyle, same likeanything right.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
It's like you've gotta.
You know, you, you have toconstantly find the way to
remind yourself.
Find that great, that gratitude.
You know, celebrate some,celebrate life because, if not,
when you're just waking up,going through the motions, even
if it's great like you stillknow something's missing yep, I
love what you said about likeyou get kicked so many times and

(22:27):
you know it's interesting man.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
It's like every time I got back up it's because I
kicked myself so hard to get up.
You know I treated myself sopoorly to make transformational
changes in my life and Iharnessed all this negativity,
this pain, this lack of selfrespect, this frustration with
myself, like the way I spoke tomyself to make those
transformations was so unkindman, yeah, so unkind, so it's

(22:52):
like I'm the cruelest person inmy life yeah and now, this time,
with all that, to your point,man, like that transcendence,
I'm faced with that adverse.
It's a gift, like I'm, literally, like I look at it like God.
This is just God.
Answer my prayers 100%.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Well, think about it.
How many people can you touchagain?
Right, because that's anotherlevel of someone that has been
in that position.
Right, it's like oh man, I gotgreat.
Things are good.
You know it's things going theway that I want it to and you
fall off.
There could be somebody outthere who's experiencing that
same damn thing right now, knowshow hard they've worked to get

(23:30):
to where they're at.
They made the mistake, They'vegone down and right.
There's that moment where maybesomething, they get connected
with you, Maybe they seesomething, Maybe they just.
That's why the content stuff isso important.
We don't think about it as muchbecause just you know, just
everybody does it right, Becausewe're just consuming all the
time.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Bro case in point, like if I didn't make the choice
to be honest and like reallylove myself, how could I keep
doing what I'm doing 100%?
I'd be a fraud.
Yeah, I would be an absolutefraud, bro.
And how could I look at myselfin the mirror every single day

(24:08):
and be like I'm projecting onething and I'm, yeah, well, I
mean completely different.
Like I'm spiritually sick, yeah, and I'm talking people about
getting spiritually well, yeah,yeah, 100 man and and I don't
think anybody can survive thatlong term.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Right, it's like there's a lot of people that
have their skeletons and thethings happen and they can hide
them and you get away with it.
But I just think the universehas a way of you know, bringing
the internal, internal turmoilyou know to the external world
if you continue to neglect itover time and not really do that
deep reflective work.
Because you know, we alwaysknow what the answer is right

(24:45):
internally.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
We know the right thing, we know the wrong thing
right and how often do we ignore.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
You know that right thing so often man because the
right thing is oftentimes theharder thing to do yeah and
oftentimes the harder thing todo is the right thing to do.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, you know what I mean and you know that, right,
I know exactly what I should bedoing, 100%.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
And look, it's like I like to look at life as a video
game character.
To get to the next level, yougot to have a different set of
weapons, a different set ofskill sets, like whatever it
might be, and so it's a level up.
Usually when we get knockeddown, it's because it's going to
level us up three more times.
But one of the other things Ialways say is, if the same

(25:30):
person that fell down is thesame person that gets back up,
you're just going to keep beingthe person that falls down for
the same reasons, 100%.
How are you going to get backup different?
You're right, I used to usetoxicity and negativity to get

(25:50):
back up.
Self-hatred, that's what I usedto propel myself in everything,
and this time it was self-love.
And I have not experienced anyshame, any guilt, none of that
through this entire experience,because instead of using the

(26:11):
propellant of hatred, I use thegift of love that was given to
me through my spiritualtransformation.
Man, you know, I literally askmyself like what does Jesus
think of me right now?
Yeah.
You know, like the only thingthat's going to disappoint him
is if I treat myself like shit.
100, you know, because it'slike okay so you're throwing
away the sacrifice I made foryou by treating yourself this

(26:32):
way yep and there's the andagain, you know he's always
forgiving right.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
So it's hard to say, well, if you did it this way, I
did it that way.
It's different, but you knowthat I think there there's so
much um, you know, power in, inthe ability to forgive yourself
for those things, and likethat's, that's the proud moment,
the proud dad moment.
Right is being able to nottough it out or not stay down,
but be able to overcome it andtruly feel better about yourself

(26:59):
through it.
And it's like because at theend of the day, it's if you have
a drink, like you're not goingto hell.
But you've set the standard foryourself and that's the most
important thing.
That standard is what.
That's your bar, that's whereyou know that you know what man
no, it's not a big deal, is abig deal, isn't a big deal
Didn't affect anybody else, didaffect people, all of the

(27:22):
different things.
And it's like you get throughit and it's like you can choose
now to say, all right, you know,I don't even, don't even
actually really want it or needit at all, like now, you know,
sometimes having that, that,that experience lets you know
that, like man actually maybe,and that's what ketamine was
helping with.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Right, there's a piece of that to say maybe it
did unlock something so that youdid jump on that opportunity
and then it completely was likeyeah see, I don't, I don't, I
don't view the ketamine therapyas a negative, bro, because my
first treatment let me goingback to what I said before man,
like I don't, I don't haveexpectations.
Yeah, like all I want to do iswhat god tells me to.
And you know, with ketaminetherapy, you go into it with an

(27:59):
intention, and so in my firsttreatment, my only intention
intention was like God, guide me, like tell me the next move.
Yeah, and he spoke crystalclear, bro, short, succinct,
powerful.
He said sell your house, gotake care of your mom and become
the anchor your family needs tocome back together.

(28:20):
That's good.
And it was like you want to talkabout a lesson in ego and
humility and faith over fear.
Bro, I'm a 42 year old singleman and God's telling me sell
your house and go, take care ofyour mom and live with your mom.
And it's like every humaninteraction I've ever had comes

(28:41):
up in that moment and theeasiest thing to do is be like
what are people going to thinkof me?
Or let me find a different wayto do it, or let me see if I can
bring her to me like whatever,whatever, whatever the hardest
thing to do in that moment isthe right thing to do.
It's simple.
He was crystal clear.
Yeah.
Bro, as I'm sitting here withyou right now, my house is being

(29:01):
cleaned for it to get all thepictures tomorrow, for it to go
on the market this weekend manbro, like everything he tells me
to do, dog, I do to the best ofmy not I can't say everything,
man, but to the best of myability, and that's honestly my
only intention and focus rightnow is just do what he tells me

(29:24):
to go where he tells me to go.
Do what he tells me to do.
Like, he told me to work withNick.
I decided to work with Nick.
I met you, then I work with you, then I'm on this podcast, then
I meet my next client, then Igo to Spofford's and everywhere
he guides me.
Bro, it's, if I do what hetells me to, yeah, the next part

(29:48):
of his plan will unfold.
If I don't do what he tells meto, it won't.
100% yeah, and so my onlyintention is just to execute his
plan, man.
And and I tell you what, bro?
It's terrifying, because youknow the transformations for me
in my life up to this point,before I received Jesus, truly,
truly received.
Jesus was excruciating, bro.
I had a gun to my head, Icouldn't pull the trigger and I

(30:11):
asked God to do it for me.
That's what it took, and heknew.
That's what it was going totake for the version of who I
was at that point in my life, inmy life, and to to get on my

(30:37):
knees and pray ferociously god,whatever it takes, do it.
What?
Like?
Whatever it takes for me to bewho you need me to be, do it
like.
Knowing my level of stupidityand stubbornness to say that is
terrifying, bro because that'sGod.
Yeah, and I'm like God.
Whatever it is, god give it tome.
But now, all these challengesthat I'm dancing with in life,

(31:01):
I'm doing it knowing like thisis just God answering my prayers
.
I'm, I'm, I'm asking for him todo these things.
Like if I'm asking him forpatience, he's going to test my
patience.
If I'm asking him for strength,he's going to give me
opportunities to be weak.
If I'm asking him for the new,he's going to take things away
that aren't meant for me.
You know what I'm saying and soit's all about that perspective

(31:24):
, like, yeah, yeah, we want itto be the gift, but the gift is
the.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
The gift is the lesson right the gift is the
heart.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Like I talked about here, bro, the.
The suffering is no longersuffering when you see it as a
gift.
You know I'm saying like, lookat jesus.
God chose his greatest, mostperfect creation to suffer more
than any human being ever wouldon earth.

(31:51):
He chose the thing he lovedmore than anything in the world
to suffer.
That's a gift, man, and I knowthat's a hard pill for a lot of
people to swallow.
Lot of people to swallow.
It was for me for a long time,man, but now, like I don't,
hardship is, it's beautiful man.
Like people look at this, likethey look at people with pjs and

(32:15):
yachts and all this stuff andthey're just like why can't I
have that?
Because you ain't willing tofind the joy and the suffering
to get it.
So instead you just suffer inknowing that you'll never get it
because you're too afraid to dowhat it takes.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Well.
I think a lot of it too.
Is that, uh, the fear ofsuccess, right?
So many of us are so programmedand know most of our life's
failures, right, you, you, you,you get, you know a few
percentages that you, that youwin on occasion, but majority of
things are are are losses Right?
And you know, and I thinkthat's where so many people do

(32:53):
get themselves held up is thatit's that subconscious fear of
what.
If I actually get the thing, Isay that I want, then what?
And if I lose that, that's an LI can't take.
Oh, bro, I mean, that's thething.
Say that I want, then what?
And if I lose that, that's an LI can't take.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh bro, I mean, that's the thing, man.
We come up with these likespot-on dude.
We come up with these likemediocre goals, mm-hmm.
And then you get to themediocre goal and you're like,
well, I don't want to lose this.
But then you get a bigger goaland you're like I'm too afraid
to lose what I have to gain,what I don't 100%.
You know, that's that scarcitymindset and that's conditioned
in all of us.
You know what I mean?

(33:27):
Oh yeah, we were talking aboutmortgages out there earlier and
someone said they were askedwhat's a traditional mortgage?
And in my head my answer wasthis a way for the rich to get
richer and to keep the rest ofus poor with just enough.
That's what a mortgage is.
It's a way to make you feellike you have enough, but make

(33:48):
you stuck in it to have justenough.
You know I mean, while somebodyelse who risked everything, is
making money off of your hardwork for the rest of their life,
they own you for 30 years rightnow at like a seven percent
interest rate.
You know what I'm saying yeahand um.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Well, that's where too, it's like you know it's.
That's also on the individualsto become that as well.
Right, because there ain'tnothing wrong with the guy that
owns the bank note.
Right, and there's nothingwrong with the guy that's paying
the guy that owns it right it'slike where do?
you want it to be you?
Yeah, you, you do right.
So it's like where do you wantit to be?
Yeah, you do right.
So it's like you can't controlthose things and so it's like,

(34:28):
okay, you either figure out howto get yourself to where you
want to be and all of thesethings, or you accept that
that's what it is.
But you have to in order to, Ithink, be fulfilled in anything
that you do you.
You have to be honest withyourself, because most people
want this thing but aren'treally willing to go do that

(34:50):
until they stay miserable wherethey're at forever.
And then other people, you know,if you could say, hey, listen,
cause I know people that are,don't, you know, make a lot of
money, but they've got a placeand they're happy and they're
married and they're beautifuland all of these things.
And I'm like man, maybe I'm theone that's got it wrong
sometimes, right, I'm like,maybe all the things, all the
stuff that I'm chasing and do,and it's like what is it for?

(35:13):
Sometimes, right, because I seepeople like that that are
extremely happy and and.
But I think that for the peoplethat question if that's the
route they want to go, thepeople that want that but are
trying to figure that out, it'slike to me that's where it's
almost a disservice as well toGod, because if you have
something on your heart, there'sa reason.

(35:34):
There's a reason you feel likeyou want to do these things, and
maybe it's ego, maybe it'spower, maybe it's whatever it is
.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah.
But, bro, if you're spirituallyfit and you have a relationship
with god, it ain't 100, itain't coming from your ego, it's
coming from him.
That's one of the things Ialways talk about.
Man is like.
Every human being in life feelscalled to do something, but how
many of us stop to ask who'sthe one calling yeah, where is

(36:01):
it coming from?
And if you don't have any typeof divinity, like any type of
spirituality, guiding you inyour life, yeah, you're never
going to pursue it.
But if you know it's comingfrom the greatest source of
light and love in life, you'reprobably going to pursue it a
thousand percent.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
And it's like, and you need, um, you, you need a
little of both.
I think, right, like I thinkyou need to have your way of
being, you know, connected tothe divine but staying rooted to
the earth, right, because a lotof people that are can be way
up here and then they don't havethat, um, the discipline, the
structures.

(36:41):
It's like right, it's.
It's like you've got to be alittle of both.
You can't be too far connectedto earth and you can't be too
far connected to whatever itcould be.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, bro, I agree with you.
100%.
Faith without acts is dead.
100% Right.
If you're only spiritual butyou ain't acting, are you really
spiritual?
Because God's telling you to godo something?
Well, we can't go do it in aspiritual dimension.
We exist in this dimension.
We got to do it here.

(37:13):
And God?
God can't do it here, god doesit in his dimension.
If his work is going to be done, it's got to be done by us.
So what's the point of having arelationship with God If you
ain't?
gonna do his work that's good.
Like he can't get done withoutyou doing it, yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
And he says you know, do everything like you're doing
the lord's work 16 3 man, putall all that.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
You put god at the center of all you do, and all
you do shall prosper.
And that's how I live my life,bro, literally it's right here.
I look at it every single day,like it is what I'm doing today,
serving him.
And to your point, bro, like I,I want to invite you to accept
my experience with you.
Yeah, you, a hustler man, likeyou are focused, disciplined,

(38:03):
chasing, pursuing, but you ain'tcutting down everybody in your
path.
You're pioneering a path andcreating a new one for everyone
else to follow you.
The things you're doing willfoster the future.
The things you're doing withthe guys here.
You know I'm saying, man, yeah,you got that hustle mentality,
but you ain't greedy.

(38:24):
Like you, have a drive.
You want to accumulate wealth,yeah, but it's not.
But you're not doing it bycutting people down.
You're doing it by buildingpeople up well, and it's not.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Thank you for that.
Appreciate that, brother.
Um, you know, and it's not oneof my like this watch.
This watch isn't something thatI want it to be in people's
face.
It's what I have, it's what Ispend on it, it's this material
thing.
This watch is a 10-year journeythat I told myself that I

(38:55):
wanted to get this watch when Iwas 20 years old, working in a
coal mine.
I'd seen it one time at theArnold Sports and a guy had it
it on and he let me hold it, helet me see it.
I'd never seen a Rolex before.
Like I didn't even really.
I mean, even in high school I'magain 20 years old I hadn't
even looked at a Rolex up online, like I didn't even know what a
Rolex looked like.
And I saw that watch for thefirst time and he rolled it over

(39:18):
and I saw the crown and thediamond bezel and I'm like whoa,
I want that thing and I don'tknow what it was.
It spoke to me in that moment,right, and 10 years later I got
it and like that's what I thinkabout when I look down and see
that Right, because, yes, it's amaterial item, yes, it's a.

(39:42):
You know a thing that a you know, a thing that you know you
pursue, but for me it hasnothing to do with the, the has
nothing to do with the uh, theinvestment of the item or the
watch and everything to do with,like, the cost I've paid to get
it, the pursuit man the pursuit, man and work you were willing
to do and being it and, like yousaid, being able to bring
people up Like I, you know, I'dsay as, even as a business owner

(40:02):
I've been.
You know I've been broke morethan I've been wealthy.
Since I've started a businessI've shoestringed it more than
I've had stacks Right.
But it's like I've chose thatbecause that's the I know if I
want to get to where I want togo as fast as I can, I have to
sacrifice those things.
I have to get to where I wantto go as fast as I can, I have
to sacrifice those things.
I have to get people on board.
I have to bring them with me,because I ain't doing this to

(40:25):
get to the top and be by myself.
I love the movie like Entourage.
I wanted to be that guy.
I want to be the guy that helpseverybody out, brings people on
, gives them opportunity, helpsthem see that version of
themselves.
That's the thing that I lovemore than any of it yeah it's
fun to sell and it's fun to dothose things, but I love

(40:46):
building and building peopleyeah, man, you, you don't want
it to take 10 years for thepeople in your area of your,
your area of influence, to getthat watch.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
You want to condense that time frame down to one year
, for you know I'm saying youwent through the pain, the
suffering, the hardship, themistakes.
Yeah.
And now you can give them thegift of not having to do that
100%, and instead of it taking10 years, it takes one year.
And that's what true leadershipis all about.
It's like how can I get youfrom point A to B in the
straightest path possible withthe right guidance?

(41:17):
Right, and for me, bro,leadership comes from experience
.
You can't study leadership in abook.
You can grasp leadershipconcepts, but if you innately do

(41:40):
not aspire to lead people, ifthat's not in you, ain't no book
gonna help you no and and notitle either right, it's like
I'm saying yeah, john maxwellsays.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
He says that.
You know, it's not the positionthat makes the leader, it's the
leader that makes the position100 and so many people want to
be a leader.
They want the respect, theywant that power, they want those
things.
But that's not what a leader is.
Nah man, if you focus on thepower over the people, you'll
never keep the people you know.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
The greatest thing a leader can do, man, honestly, is
to make a person believe thatit had nothing to do with you,
100%.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Love that.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
It's all you baby, it ain't me.
I just saw a little something.
You listened to a few things Ihad to say and you did the rest.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
I love that.
I always say the analogy ofthat version of you.
It's a leadership, it'swhatever you're pursuing after.
It's like you don't take a pilland become that yeah, a pill
and become that, yeah.
So it's like it's in you rightnow.
Right now, you have ever likethere's nothing.
There's nothing with your bodychemistry that changes for you

(42:48):
to become who you want to become.
It's just you doing thatdiscovery and that, like you
talked about the reflections,the checklist, like going
through all of those things,it's you know, um, you know so
many people aren't willing to,uh, reevaluate themselves.
Right, you know we spend somuch time affirming ourselves,
affirming the beliefs.
Right, it's like Tony Robbinssays well, it's like delete,
distort and generalize.

(43:09):
Right, we're constantlydeleting things.
Right, he said how often areyou, you know, if you get into
like the reticular activator andall those things where it's
like, oh, I saw this, I got ared car and now I see all these
red cars, it's like the red carswere there the whole time.
You just were deleting them.
Right, and it's this distortionside of like the absolutes and
the generalization and like Ican never do that, those people,

(43:31):
these, this is how I am, thisis how it's always been done.
No-transcript and you have to.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
People don't want to, but they need to.
Man, they need to 100% 100% manand that's the know.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
You don't want to, but they need to.
They need to One hundredpercent.
One hundred percent man, andit's that's the power, right?
I think that you know justbeing able to be that type of
reflective individual that canset the ego aside and be like
you know, I mean I did fuck up.
I did fuck up, man.
I need to go tell them sorry.
I need to go do that thingbecause I know what I did.

(44:23):
I know what I said.
Am I willing to admit that tomyself and everybody else?

Speaker 1 (44:25):
no matter what it does, no matter what it the
consequences, bro, the day youcan go from justifying to just
if eyeing and you takeresponsibility for who you are,
bro, your life will never be thesame.
It'll never be the same becausethere is no problem other than

(44:48):
you.
And if it's only you, then you,like I told you all, man, the
solution oftentimes relies inthe problem.
Oh yeah, right, if you're theproblem, you're also the
solution.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Quit justifying and start justifying take
responsibility just now, or isthat something that's?

Speaker 1 (45:03):
something I came up with, maybe that's good.
I never heard that maybe likenine, ten months ago you know,
for my own, into my own journey.
Yeah, because, while I was goingthrough a deep, like lifelong,
inventory, bro, like you wanttrue transformational, and
that's a big part of what my myfree resources, bro.
It's a you have to go and lookback at who you've been your

(45:28):
entire life, bro.
I had a task to immediately sitdown and keep writing until I
could stop thinking of names ormoments where I harbored a
negative emotion towards anotherhuman being, organization or

(45:50):
institution.
Don't stop until you can'tthink of something.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Did you come up with that?
Did you come up with doing thatexercise?
No, no, no, no, that's reallygood, I like that.
Yeah, did you come up withdoing that exercise?
No, no, no, that's really good,I like that.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah, 632 names in two hours at the top of my head,
which means to Tony Robbins'point.
I never did delete them, right,I just distorted them.
If I could think of 632 namesin two hours, you don't think

(46:20):
that has an effect of how I showup in life?
Oh yeah, how I viewrelationships, my emotions, my
biases, like, and then it's like, okay, well, why did you feel
that way?
Did it affect your physicalsafety?
Did it affect your financialsafety?
Did it affect your financialsafety?
Did it affect your emotionalsafety?

(46:47):
Oh shit, I was jealous, enviousand resentful and it was like
damn, are you telling me?
That's who I've been my wholelife.
That's how I viewed the world.
That's how I looked at people.
Because of a couple, all right,what is it?

(47:09):
86 433 seconds in a day,something like that?
Right?
Because of, like, somethingthat was less than one% of the
time of my life on earth.
It affected 99% of my lifetimeon earth.
Those few negative experiencesI had conditioned my outlooks on

(47:31):
the world, conditioned myoutlooks on people, conditioned
my outlooks on relationships,and that's who I became.
Because of that conditioningright, that's scarcity versus
abundance, I took the minorityof experiences in my life and
brought it into the majority ofexperiences in my life.
That's good.
And I had to sit back and belike damn.

(47:56):
I was unconscious to it.
Here I was thinking I was likethis super open-minded kind,
accepting, welcoming, nurturinghuman being, but subconsciously,
man, I was a self-centered,egotistical prick.
I just didn't even know it.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Well then, we do all the work right, well, and then
we do this, we do all the workright, and so and that's.
But that's the hardest partabout it is, like if you can
only do the work on what youdiscover, so until you take that
time to just like really goback, really think about it,
take yourself back to that.
You know seven year old versionof you that whatever happens in

(48:40):
that moment, things change yourwhole life and we can remember
it.
If you sit there and you thinklong enough and you envision and
you take your time, you'll beright back to that spot.
And there's a mentorship calledUpgrade with William Lamb, and
that's kind of what his wholething is is reprogramming.
That's all they talk about.

(49:00):
They talk about you know how,on a projector screen that you
know you can, you can changewhat the screen shows, but
unless you change that hardwarein the projector, you're never
going to be able to change thereality, right, and so being

(49:21):
able to go back and you know,find that version, find that you
find the moments that you werelike wait a second and and then
it's.
But then the power there is notnecessarily seeing it and
saying, all right, how do Ilearn from that?
It's being able to say.
Let me just put myself like aminute before this happened, a
second before this happened, andlet myself know that, man, it
ain't on you, bro, this happens.
Things happen like this.
You know, look at where you'reat right now, right in that

(49:43):
moment, and say like, dang, andit's because we hold on to it,
we build the animosity that wecreate the characters, we, we do
all of these things and then weagain spend so much time
affirming those moments that wedon't even remember and like if
you got to take yourself back tothat and even you know just
just what is it.
Um, they say something in theretoo that, uh, it's like the

(50:06):
complex equivalent.
Do you remember?
Anyways, complex equivalent,something right.
And what he talks about is likehow many of the feelings that
you experience and you gothrough are very similar to the
experience of feeling that's onthe opposite, at the abstract
one, the opposite side, rightwhen it's like, okay, someone

(50:27):
gets anxiety, you know, and theyget this feeling and
immediately they're, they'resweating and they're you know
they're they're nervous now andyou know they go into this, you
know panic attack where he'slike well, I mean, if you think
about it like, what aboutexcitement?

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Bro, excitement starts out.
The same fucking way.
It's the same chemical.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Same chemical.
I was literally going to saythat when you were done.
It's just that relabel.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Right and it's being aware enough to know that that's
where you're at Right, BecauseI used to get like that, even
though I still get like that attimes that you're that's where
you're at Right, Cause I used toget like that, Even do I still
get like that at times, and youknow it is.
You know, in speaking, evenwhen I go to speak in front of
the team, like I get nervous.
I'll be sitting back in myoffice pacing around that I
might just be going in for a 20minute powwow, Right, and it's
like I feel those emotions andI'm like man, what if I say

(51:20):
something?
What if I?
What if I come off?

Speaker 1 (51:21):
the is nothing for them and it's pointless and you
know all of those justinsecurities that I've
experienced my whole lifethrough those events, bro.
Is it nervousness or do youjust care that much?
A hundred percent, yep, yep,you know what I'm saying.
And it's like going back toyour point, like anxiety and
fear, or anxiety and excitement,create the same chemical
reaction in your body.
It's the same chemical that'sreleased the person who has a

(51:44):
positive, ownership-basedmindset versus the person who's
triggered by negativity.
Which one do you think confusesthose two emotions?
You know I'm saying, and goingback to your point, like one of
the things that I do, bro andagain, look like you know me,

(52:07):
man, I'm about as woo-woo asthey come, you know.
And one of the things I do, bro, is I recreate the image of who
I was in a traumatic moment,and then I take me and I close
my eyes and I'm holding thatversion of me's hand and I'm

(52:30):
speaking to him.
I say, look, you ain't got toexperience it, we just got to
observe it.
I'm here with you, there ain'tnothing to be scared of.
Let's see what it was like fromthe outside, because you're
outside of it.
Now you're not experiencing thisanymore.
It's not real.
Me holding your hand, metalking to you, that's what's

(52:54):
real.
You ain't got to live in thisanymore.
Observe it, don't experience it.
And I literally walk myself backlike bro, like I in my in my
documentary, my course, like Iliterally did just this, like I
walked to the spot where Iwatched my father as an 11 year
old child get stabbed in frontof me and I observed it.

(53:15):
Right, this is, this is this iswhere I was, this is this is
how it happened, this is whatwent down.
I stood where I watched a manget murdered and, like this is
how, this is how it went down,this is how it experienced.
Like this is what that 11 yearold went through, this is what
that 15 year old went through.
Like this is what it was like.
But I came back.
I came back to that as anobserver of the experience, not

(53:40):
reliving the experience.
For so long I relived it.
Oh, you know I'm saying, andwhen you keep reliving the past,
the past is gonna keep showingup in every decision you make.
And so I used to confuse Casein point man, I was crippled
with horrific anxiety attacks,was crippled with horrific
anxiety attacks, hospitalizedfor panic attacks.

(54:02):
They thought I was having heartattacks because of how bad my
panic attacks were.
I Was on all kinds ofanti-anxiety meds Brought on the
work.
Over two years I ain't taking asingle anxiety med Because I'm

(54:23):
no longer confusing anxiety andexcitement.
Hmm, it's.
It's not that nervousness, it'sthat I care so much.
So now I get excited aboutchallenges.
I don't get anxiety aboutchallenges.
Don't get me wrong, bro, like Igot stress and you know, one of
the things I was spitting tothe guys earlier is like, let me
introduce you to the cadillaccts stress, stress management,
chase the stress.
If I wake up every morning andthe first decision I make is to

(54:44):
create intentional stress, beahead of it, be the creator of
stress in my life, dunk myselfin an ice bath, take an ice cold
shower, do pushups, whatever itmight be, I'm changing the
chemistry of my mind and body.
I'm setting the tone.

(55:05):
So when life brings stresses tome, I bring stress back to the
stress because it's like no, no,no, you don't control me, I do.
I give myself stress.
I purposely challenge myselfevery morning that I wake up and
now look like I'm.
I'm spitting this to you andright now I don't think I've
done my cold plunge in fourweeks.
So I'm I'm even remindingmyself like, hey, this is what I

(55:29):
got to go back and get to,cause that's what on my best
self you know what I mean.
Like I let the distractions getin the way.
I've been feeling a bit morestressed than usual.
I've had anxiety come up.
I've been a little irritable.
Well, why?
Because I'm not chasing thestress.
I'm letting the stress come tome and I'm not prepared for it.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
And what happens, too , is that we don't even realize,
but we self-sabotage Right, youdon't even know, like, if
you're not doing the work, thenthe work's going to get done to
you not doing the work, then thework's going to get done to you
.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
It's good.
If you ain't doing the work,the work's going to work you.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
I love that bro 100%.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
That's what happens right, I'm going to borrow that
one.
Take it bro.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
You can even take the credit man.
Dude, but it's so true.
It's like when you put becauseI've been golfing a lot lately,
I, I've been golfing a lotlately.
I noticed, yeah, and I playedhockey growing up and all of
those things, so I knew how toswing a club per se and my
buddies would play and everyonce in a while I'd go.

(56:30):
I never bought a set of clubsuntil I was 30.
Bought a set of clubs.
I played like six or seventimes that year, got all about
it and then order time came andthen the last year two years I
didn't play.
Nate, one of our guys thatworks with us here, he went and
bought clubs the other day andhe's been all about it, dude.

(56:52):
I mean every day.
I mean I literally built apar-3 course in my backyard.
I just ordered 500 square feetof green to put in the backyard.
It's sweet because you canshoot almost like 120 yards
across the internet.
Yeah, you've got a good backyardman we can play it down and
back and down and back, butanyway, we've been getting more

(57:12):
into it.
There has been seasons in mylife where I would start getting
into it and I would startplaying and practicing.
It didn't really do much.
I didn't get good enough tolike want to keep playing.
It was like I didn't even youknow practice enough to want to
keep doing it.
And and now that I startedgetting back into it, I've
probably been playing again forthree weeks, four weeks.

(57:33):
Now I am better in four weeksthan I've ever been in my entire
life.
I'm like honestly feel likewithin six to eight to 12 months
, like confidently being able togo out, control a game, play
very well at it, like be anathlete to golf.
But I'm like, how did all of asudden, did I start picking this

(57:54):
?

Speaker 1 (57:54):
up Like I don't even I'm not really doing anything
different.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
I might be, you know, asking some different questions
to different people andlearning a little more, but,
like, what's the differencebetween you know, three years
ago, 10 years ago, into rightnow?
And I've just been like kind ofwrestling with this and what
came to my mind is that theconcept of once you can master

(58:17):
one thing, you master all thingsRight.
And I don't think that it'smastering the ability, it's
mastering the capacity.
The capacity to get great atsomething is the same capacity
at every level of greatness 100%.
It's reps, it's reps Right.
And so it's just boom, you doit.
You do it Like I went to I wasout of Texas and we went to like
a rally car spot and they'relike training Marines.

(58:37):
And they're like training, um,marines and they're they're
getting working with thegovernment on bringing, uh like,
some contracts to help theseguys get trained up for, you
know, rally driving and allthese things.
And and I'm like, why do theydo that?
He's like because when you cantrain your body under that
stress and you're, you know, atthat level and you're making
decisions and you're thinkingand you're moving, it's like
that's the capacity that you'recreating I'm.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
I'm looking at a real bro.
I showed him a real that Icreated literally exactly what
you're talking about literallyracing the car, talking about my
confidence, my competence, mycapacity to control the
situation.
Still deliver a precise messagewhile I'm driving an 800
horsepower car weaving throughtraffic.

(59:20):
Right, you know what I?
Mean and exactly, bro.
And so for you it's like you'vemastered.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
You master the levels of yourself.
Exactly, bro You've masteredthe leadership level of yourself
.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
You're mastering the business level of yourself 100%.
And so that's who's showing upin this golf game right now.
Like what was your level ofconfidence and competence in
your abilities three years ago?
Three years ago, crc didn'texist.
100%, 100%.
Two years ago, crc was asix-figure company.
Last year, crc was aneight-figure company.

(59:58):
A whole different version,right and what's the constant in
CRC was an eight-figure company, a whole different version,
right.
And what's the constant in CRC?
That time?
You and your ability to levelup in your artistry of mastery.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Mastery is an art form and it's a thirst.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
It's like I love mastery.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Or just practicing right.
Like even when I was a hockeyplayer, but I was.
You come and watch me in apractice.
You're like, this guy can playin the NHL.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
You come and watch me in a game, Not the same guy,
it's in in DNA, it's in your DNAand that's a big part of why
you have this pursuit, bro.
Like that's what we talk aboutwith conditioning.
Like, okay, you grew up inpoverty physically but you grew
up with a winning mindsetbecause you played hockey.

(01:00:50):
You got to a professional levelof greatness in hockey and then
you got injured but you wereconditioned to pursue greatness.
You had to find it in somethingelse.
Yep 100, it was gonna literallykill you if you didn't, because

(01:01:11):
that's who you are.
Yes, you know I'm saying andand it's just like you can live
in poverty but you can have amillionaire mindset in poverty.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
well and in poverty.
I think kind of a sidecar tothat is that we say poverty or
wealth or whatever you grow upin, and it's like that's that
other piece to it, where being.
I think a lot of times that wecompare ourselves to other
people and what they've gonethrough and what we've gone
through, and then think thatthey're more capable because

(01:01:42):
they've overcome other things,they've been broker, than we
were.
And you know, whatever it is,sometimes you're, you're at that
point too.
We were like, oh man, like youknow, actually didn't wasn't
that bad, or this wasn't thatbad and I, you know there's
other people out there that haveit worse than me and right, and
it's like we forget that.
You know, the the pursuit ofyourself is the only thing that
matters.
You don't have to go through Idon't have to experience the

(01:02:05):
things that you've experiencedfor me to have the level of
success that you have 100% Rightand I think that's such an
understanding that it's like man, it can come to anybody.
I just got to tap in and pursue.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
I had a woman reach out to me recently I think the
last no, was it the last podcastI did anyways, the get back
podcast and this woman reachedout to me and was like look, I
gotta be completely honest withyou.
Like I did not think I wasgoing to have anything in common
with you, I did not think I wasgoing to relate to you

(01:02:39):
whatsoever and like my life andyour life were completely
different.
But I cannot believe how much Iconnected to the way you think.
And so to your point, bro, likeyou ain't got to live the same
exact life to have the samecapacity.
You know, what I'm saying.
She was like I didn't think Iwas going to relate to it all

(01:03:00):
you at all and I could notrelate to you more.
She was like you lived acompletely different life and
it's as if you lived my life.
You thought the way that Ithought you experienced things,
the way that I experiencedthings, like you're coming
through the other side of thethings that I'm going through,
but they were all so differentyou know what I'm going through
but they were all so different.
It's like to your point, dude.

(01:03:22):
Like don't compare out, comparein.
Yeah, how am I today againstwho I was yesterday?
How's my mindset from fromyesterday to today?
How have I evolved?
Compare in, man, just get getrid of all the noise, cause the
world wants us to compareourselves to everybody else and

(01:03:42):
the world wants us to compareourselves to the one, one
hundredth of a percenters.
Not even the one percenters,right?
The one, one hundredth of apercenters?
Right, if it's only one, onehundredth of?
We're not meant to bemulti-billionaires.
It's not how we were created.
Why do you think it's?

(01:04:03):
One one-hundredth of, athousandth of?
A percent of the world'spopulation is a billionaire, but
now your standard for yourselfis I'm worthless if I'm not,
that that's insane.
But you know what you can takefrom a billionaire their

(01:04:24):
relentlessness, like I talkedabout here, bro, look at Elon
Musk.
Oh yeah.
My man sold PayPal and wasliterally homeless, living on a
couch, to pursue somethingexponentially bigger.
But you over here talking aboutoh, I can't give up my orange

(01:04:46):
theory and my parfaits and mylattes to go and invest in a
coaching course.
My man literally tookeverything he had and it was a
lot more than a more than99.999999% of human beings would
ever have and risked all of it.

(01:05:07):
Yeah, and you're over heretalking about, like I can't, I
can't do this, I can't do that,I can't do this, I can't do that
.
If a dude who had everythingwasn't afraid to lose everything
he worked for for somethingeven greater.
You're telling me, like you'reright, you never will be like
him.

(01:05:27):
You want to know why?
Because you ask yourself thequestion how much does it cost?
Which is how poor people think.
He asked the question how muchis it worth, which is how
wealthy people think, like whereI'm at right now, bro, like I
used to be so afraid of losingeverything I had.
And for me, right now, I'mliterally giving away everything

(01:05:55):
I have.
So what's left for me to beafraid of?

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
when I was one on the things I was going to, you know
, even say, with the Elon idea,right is that?
Is that Elon had had nothing,had lost everything, got it back
, built it, got it back Like.
I think that's one of the whenwhen you can overcome that right

(01:06:21):
, because so many people are soscared to go broke, because
they've never gone broke,they're so scared to have a bank
account in zero or negativethat they'll give up the thing
that they want more thananything to be able to have
security.
Because what's that security,tell them.
Oh well, I have more money thanthis person.

(01:06:42):
Well, I got a home to go hometo, I got all these things.
It's like all of thosesecurities that we need because
we're so scared of ego, ego,right, it's people don't know
about this, what's going tohappen, and it's you know once
you can go through that andexperience that and know that
when you get through that andyou find your why and you find

(01:07:05):
the thing that's so important toyou, it's like, honestly, I
could lose everything right nowand still have the thing that I
want to be pursuing and I wouldbe fine.
But I've also lost it all.
I've gone through that beforeRight.
I've risked it all on a company.
I've risked it all on amentorship.
I've risked it all on amentorship and every single time
it's paid me back.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
It's impossible for you to lose everything.
You know why Because you're toocapable and competent to not
build it back.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
When you talked about earlier.
You said the video game thing.
I love that analogy and Ialways use that in a sense, but
for me it's always like it'sthat checkpoint, right.
When you die in that next, thenext level, you just go back to
that checkpoint.
Life's the same way, right?
It's like if you train andstudy and learn and grow and
build and do all of these things, you can't, no one can take

(01:07:56):
your mind away from you, right?
And so it's like, no matterwhat, no one can take your mind
away from you, right, and soit's like no matter what.
I know that the worst casescenario is I'll have to
recreate pivot change, but it'slike, once you are exposed to
what you can actually create,you can't be unexposed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Let me ask you this question too Does the thought of
that make you nervous orexcited?

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Excited.
Exactly Right.
I'm like fired up.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
I sweating like right , exactly, it's almost like let
it happen, let it happen.
It's just gonna level me upeven more.
Yep, yeah, you know what I'msaying.
Most like the way I used to bethe thought of losing what I had
horrific, crippling,life-altering anxiety.
Now I'm literally giving itaway when I literally pray, god,
take from me, pray, god, takefor me what's not meant for me.

(01:08:42):
I'll shed anything, I'll, I'llpurge anything, like whatever it
is, take it, take the house,take whatever it is.
If you don't want it for me,then take it.
I don't care.
And, bro, like it's, sometimesI still have to pinch myself
because I'm like yo, I'm reallydoing it.
Like the, the shit that used toterrify me, I'm willingly

(01:09:08):
giving away.
Yeah, like my favorite houseI've ever owned, god said sell
it, I'm selling it.
I don't I didn't want to losethat, but my faith in it,
knowing like, okay, I'm makingspace for something yet to come,
but if I don't make space forit never will come.

(01:09:29):
It's true, you know what I mean, man.
And and going back to, like,your question about my book,
maybe I circle back to that wesaid we were doing an hour and
we're almost into an hour and 30.
Basically, everything I'vetalked about it is the book, bro
.
I wanna help people transformpain into purpose, suffering

(01:09:56):
into joy, negativity intopositivity, scarcity into
abundance, and not just in onefacet of life, Because one
single facet of life has aripple and butterfly effect on
every other facet of life.
And so I want to condense the42 years of research, therapy,

(01:10:21):
spirituality, mistakes,addiction, resentments, failures
, catastrophes that Iexperienced.
I want to condense that down asmuch as possible for people.
And it all starts withspirituality.
Right, I succeeded in business,but I was spiritually ill, so I

(01:10:45):
never appreciated anything thatI had.
Nothing was ever good enough.
So what's the point of havingeverything you've pursued when
it brings you no satiation orsatisfaction or fulfillment?
So it starts with a spiritualperspective, right, and it
really is that deep.

(01:11:05):
Look within understanding that.
Why going back being thatobserver?
We're going back through it,healing that inner child,
creating that relationship withyourself, ridding yourself of
the toxic things that arekeeping you in scarcity and
negativity and low frequency.
And when you can have spiritualhealth, that's where you can
have material wealth it's good,true, true wealth comes from

(01:11:29):
spirituality first, because then, at the end of the day, bro,
then you don't give a shit if,if your pursuit is successful or
not, you know, and you're goingto do it anyways, because
you're spiritually fit Right andand I think, a big piece, that
is, that the idolization, toalong the way of the idolization
of these items and the things,and if you don't, have that you
know, the fulfillment to knowthat you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
nothing is greater than him, right and who you are.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
that's the greatest value to this earth is yourself
bro, you are the most importantthing to him, not your
accomplishments for yourself,but you and what you can do for
him, which is what you can dofor others, like what can we do
for the greatest king?
What can we do for the creatorof creation?
What can we do other than toserve their will?

(01:12:17):
I can't give anything to himother than doing his work.
You know what I'm saying, andloving myself is doing his work.
Somebody commented the otherday I was talking about life
creates leaders and my man'soffered some perspective.
He's like you know, you'resitting there wearing that cross
, but you over here talkingabout life creates leaders, like

(01:12:40):
God creates leaders, and I'mlike, yeah, 100, you're right,
god is life yeah god createscircumstances in life, and what
he chooses to bring into yourlife is what's going to create
leaders.
You know what I mean and I don'tknow where I was going with
that but it just felt, felt likevery important to put that out
there, man.

(01:13:00):
But it's like for what purpose?
For what intention?
You know what I'm saying, andliterally every day, bro, I'm
like, just use me, just use me.
But if the root of my faith isat the surface, to what extent
can he use me?

(01:13:20):
Because my fruit, my crops thatI bear will wither very quickly
.
But if the soil is strong andthe root goes deep into the soil
, that's where I can do the mostfrom.
I could possibly do.
And again going back to what wetalked about before, with my

(01:13:41):
relapse my root started takingform at the top of the soil, but
then I wanted to go harvest thefruit before it was mature
enough.
And what does that do that?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
instant gratification .

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
I wanted to go serve others.
I want to go do hiswillification.
I wanted to go go serve others.
I want to go do his will.
You know I'm saying everything.
I'm doing like I'm prayingevery day.
You know I'm connecting withhim every day, I talk to him all
day long.
I'm going, I'm serving his will, but I wasn't taking care of me
to the extent that I shouldhave.
I wasn't prioritizing me.
You know I'm saying I can't bethe leader he created me to be

(01:14:20):
until I lead myself through histeaching.
My faith has to be as deeplyrooted as possible.
And what does it take?
It takes constant wateringright, connecting to him,
learning about him,understanding his word, studying
his word, talking about hisword.
That's what it takes, man.

(01:14:41):
And look, you know, I went fromreading my Bible every single
day, going to 12 step meetingsevery single day, to, all of a
sudden, I'm reading my Bibleonce a week.
I'm going to two meetings aweek.
I'm going out there and I'mserving Right.
So it's okay, I'm going out andI'm serving no-transcript, but

(01:15:09):
I wasn't being a dad to myself,I wasn't serving myself.
I stopped and the root nevertook true, true, strong root in
the soil.
You know what I'm saying, man.
That's powerful bro.
So the book is like how to livedaily in faith, man, how to act
in faith, how to move in faith,how to sit still in faith, which

(01:15:31):
is the hardest thing foranybody to do, especially guys
like you and me.
What do you mean?
Sit still right, the next guy'sgonna catch me.
The stillness is where thegrowth comes from 100, because
you're not being compelled, in areactionary state, to do
something right.
I grew in stillness.

(01:15:51):
I just sat and I waited.
I didn't make moves, man.
I didn't let the fear of, ofeconomic and financial
insecurity impact me.
Like bro, like even right now,homie like I'm, I'm like from a
financial perspective, peoplewill be like, oh, you broke, but

(01:16:12):
that's not how I view it.
Like no, I'm not.
Like I invested everything Ihad left to pursue this.
I'm just not so focused onimmediate gratification of
return.
That's not what I'm focused onand I will continue to spend
every dollar I have left topursue this.
And and people are like, bro,but like you could, like you

(01:16:36):
just go back to your career.
Like you could easily make likeseven, eight, 900,000, like
your first year back, like it'llsolve all your problems.
And I'm like, no, no, no manThinking like that is the
problem.
I will not give up on this, nomatter the hardship that gets
thrown my way, like how badly doI want it?

(01:16:56):
Surface level, like most people, or am I willing to go to any
length by any means necessary topursue this?
Because what am I doing?
In that I'm building anunbreakable mindset.
Because what am I doing in thatI'm building an unbreakable
mindset, I can no longer beaffected by scarcity, negativity

(01:17:16):
and low-frequency living,because, no matter what
situation comes my way thatinvokes fear, it doesn't stop me
from acting in faith.
Yeah, that's good man and bro,the day I had 51% faith and 49%

(01:17:38):
fear was the day my life changedforever.
You don't ought to be fearless.
It doesn't exist.
You just got to fear a littleless.
That's it, man.
That's it, yeah, strap in,that's where I'm at, man.
You know the last.
How long has it been, man?
Six months, yeah, I mean, mean,was it?

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
does it december, december, yeah, yeah, we're at
six months.
Six months, bro.
Yeah, wait, what's today?
Today's the 11th?

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
bro, I think I was here, I think I was here
december 9th through 11th.
Was it december 9th through?
I think it was december 9ththrough 11th, wasn't it?
Yeah, dude, I think it was the9th through 11th, dude, I think
it was December 9th through 11th, wasn't it?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
I think it was the 9th through 11th, exactly six
months later.
That's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
That's a wild coincidence?
It's amazing, man, like what'shappened and the relationships
I've built, the opportunitiesthat I've had, the people I've
been able to serve, thetransformations man and I was
reflecting KPIs are critical,but what kind of KPIs was I
looking at?
Right, so, you know, I, when Iwas here, I think what I have

(01:18:41):
got, I think I had like fourhundred and thirteen followers
on social media and so it's likeall right, what are the
benchmarks I'm looking for?
And so I was like all right,when I get to five thousand
followers, what is it that I'vereally done?
And most people be like allright, well, how did I monetize
it?
What's my return?
Things like that.
And I thought to myself, howmany hours of transformation did

(01:19:01):
I provide to people?
And so I started looking atthese metrics how many views did
my individual content get?
Then, of everything that gotshared, how many views did that
get?
And then, how many views didthat get?
And then how many views didthat get?
and you just try to factor inlike potential exponential
growth, like I don't have exactnumbers, but what I came up with

(01:19:23):
with the level of views I hadon like the platforms youtube,
tiktok, instagram just what Iput out it was like 300,000
views.
And then I looked at the watchtime right and the watch time
the numbers I ended up coming upwith was 15 years wow 15 years,

(01:19:44):
because that was just my views.
Yeah, then it was everything onother people's platforms, all
the audiences that I served onall the different podcasts, all
the people that shared, thatsaved, that sent to other people
.
That's good dude.
I offered 15 years oftransformative consumption in 6

(01:20:08):
months.
That's the benchmark I look at,nothing else fucking matters.
That was the one F-bomb Idropped.
Since you've been here you evensaid yes, dude, I've so
consciously been working on mycussing man.
One of my followers was like Ireally wanted my son to listen
to your podcast because it wasso valuable, but there was so

(01:20:30):
much cussing I just couldn't doit.
Wow, and so for me that's likeman.
Well you know, but everythingabout me and my program is mass
impact yeah and so I'm like well, I got to work on that and so I
.
I facilitated an emceed Nick'sfive-day program last week.
I didn't cuss one single time.
20 hours and I didn't cuss onesingle time and I only let one

(01:20:56):
slip here.
Well, you're in the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Yeah it's hard running the podcast and it's
dark out.
You know the sun you know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
But so for me, man, that's the thing is like I made
impact, and you know, when I washere six months ago, my number
one objective in doing all thiswas to make mass impact.
Yeah, man.
That's good.
You know, and I'll tell you this, bro, the few people who have
reached out to me completestrangers and they're like man.

(01:21:30):
You changed my life more thananybody ever has.
What you did for me changed me.
That's powerful.
A man whose son was murderedlearned to forgive and also
realized that because of hisinability to forgive, he robbed

(01:21:50):
his wife and his living childrenof being the best father he
could be for them.
A Woman whose father raped herevery day for ten years has a
beautiful relationship withJesus now, has fire and passion
to serve in her and, Bro, likeyou can't know, and not a dollar

(01:22:11):
figure in the world that canbring me that level of
fulfillment yeah, and it's soimportant for everybody to
understand that there's somebodyout there that we all do that
for

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
every single one of us that you know, share our
stories, share an experience,connect with somebody you know.
For us we don't think about itbecause we have our lives, we
got our distractions and youknow, a lot of times you think
you're just putting things outthere because you know
consistency.
You gotta do it.
It's like anything.
But you know when people, whenyou truly touch people and
connect with people that you hadno clue even existed, that's

(01:22:55):
powerful, especially when theytake the time to reach out to
you and be like thank you somuch, like an act of self love
and act of courage.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Or or people who reach out to me like yo, can you
help me?
Yeah, you know, there's theones who just like listening to
the content and actually takingthe action and the guidance in
the content, like that alonetransform them.
You know what I'm saying but,like you know the work I've done
with the businesses, like thepeople in the businesses who are
still in contact with me, likebro, the mindset you taught me,
like this little thing that youtaught me, like it stuck with me
every single day.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Well, I would say that's even with you, know, even
with us here, Right, I mean,that was one of the biggest
things I would say was theimpact was just the um, the, the
paradigm shift for so manypeople, right, being able and
then also peaking, uh, curiosityin faith, right, and so for
people to be able to again thatdelete, distort, generally, like

(01:23:49):
right it's, it's all of thosethings that we're telling
ourselves why we hate God, whywe aren't religious, why, why,
why, Right.
And then someone like you cancome in and you know that's
what's powerful about being ableto tap in, be authentic, be you
and share those truths, becausesomebody really will connect to
that and it's not up to you,the spirit will connect them

(01:24:10):
right their willingness to, tolisten and and be open to
learning and open to changingtheir mindset.
And it it's not always going tohappen every time, right, it's
like each one.
There's always that divinemoment.
It's like different when you goto church and you hear someone
say something like dang man.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
I feel like he was talking right to me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
yep, you know what I mean.
It's that exact thing and youknow I think that was such a
mass impact right Of even youcoming in here was just the the,
the mental transition that Isaw so many people make,
especially in that time of theyear when you're like slow
season and things are draggingand you know not going as fast
as usual and you know all thedoubt and you know cold weather

(01:24:51):
kicks in, right, it's like allof those things, man.
So for them to be able toexperience those things at that
time of the season and be ableto bring that into the season,
bring that into this new year,bring that into what's ahead of
them, it's such a powerful thing.
And then being able to help ateam be unified and be

(01:25:13):
mission-driven, because that's avery powerful thing and I think
that's one of the biggestthings with even looking at a
consulting side, and it's nodifferent than your faith, it's
no different than anything.
It's like those are the thingsthat we need to do more of All
business owners do we learnsomething?
And then it's like, all right,I got to figure it out.

(01:25:34):
Right, and it's like you haveto have that check-in, you have
to have that reminder, you haveto have that thing.
That it's like oh yeah, man.
Like, and even if you're noteven studying it and practicing
it right, like just all thestuff that we're talking about,
someone can listen to this andsay, oh man, they're all woohoo
and that'll never happen.
I'm not going to do thosethings and all of that.
But you can truly learn, grow,develop, transform, change

(01:26:00):
through osmosis, just beingaround it, just hearing it.
Right.
Even if you don't want tolisten, your subconscious is Yep
, right, and that's power man,and that's one of, I guess, my
message to anyone that listensto this today, right, is like
listen to what we say and don'tlisten and look through a lens

(01:26:21):
of you know your opinion ofthese things.
Try them, no one's going to knowyou.
Try it, no one's going to knowyou read a Bible every day if
you want no one to know about it, and this is something that you
know your ego, and you know theembarrassment of anyone no one,
because you've been like thisfor so long that you know,
heaven forbid.
You change who you are so thatyou can finish out the rest of

(01:26:42):
your life that version that youwere designed to be right.
Just be willing to try it.
Listen, give it a little bit ofeffort, right, sitting down and
writing out those things,sitting down and putting
yourself back in that you know,with that kid in that room
holding that hand, whatever itis, it's like all right, maybe
it's not true at all, maybe noneof it works.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
What if it does?
What's the worst thing that'sgonna happen if you try it?
Nothing.
You don't like it, right right.
You prove yourself, right right.
The only thing that's going tohappen if you try it and doesn't
work is that your ego is goingto get bruised.
That's it that's it but atleast you tried it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
100 and hell.
You know, looking back farenough to to reflect on that
moment, right, one of thebiggest things is realizing it's
just a moment in time in spaceand time.
It's there and it's gone anddoesn't define you, it doesn't
make you who you are, it doesn'thave to be the trajectory.
It's only going to become whatyou allow it to become 100% Bro

(01:27:43):
dude, I'm sorry that we got intoan hour and 30.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
Hey man, that's short for us, dude, we did four and a
half hours last time.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Well, reese was like he's going to give you the heads
up, and I don't think he gaveus any kind of heads up.
I was holding the timer thewhole time.
I was like I didn't see that atall.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
When you came over here I looked at you.
I was like, oh, he's justholding the camera.
Yeah, I didn't see that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
I was literally going like hold the timer I was just
deep man.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
I'm in the message.
An hour and a half for us isphenomenal progress.
No, that was awesome brother.
I'm glad we made it.
We got to make this happen toman.
You know it was.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
I, I, I well knew yesterday that you were coming
in and you know he told me soand I'm glad that uh, I'm going
to trying to do so.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
I'm gonna be back in the office like every four to
six weeks you know what?
I mean and that was a beautifulthing about this relationship
with you man is like it'scascaded and rippled into so
many different areas of so manydifferent people's lives 100 you
know I'm saying like somebodyhit me up right after the
podcast.
This podcast was like yo, Iain't never asked another man
for help in my life, let letalone another human being, but

(01:28:52):
like I need it, I need it.
Yeah, like God is telling melike to to hit you up.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying andwhat that led to, and then what
that led to, and then, like youknow, coming out here and you
give me the opportunity to serveyour company.
And now, like you know, reesewas like yo, I want to be a part
of this man and he showed me.
You know I was like these threebooks will change your life.

(01:29:14):
This dude came in eight o'clockthe next morning with all three
books.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
I'm saying.
He showed me who he was andwhat he really believed in what
I had to say, and that's why nowReckless Media Company manages
all my shows for media.
You know how many people reachout to me all the time.
Man me, do that, let me do this.
I'm like nah man.
We appreciate that you know mypeople.
They're doing this with mebecause they believe in it
you're just trying to sellsomething to make some money 100

(01:29:38):
, you know what?
I'm saying, and the peopleworking with me on my book.
Man, you know one of the one ofthe editors of my book.
She was like you know, I'veworked on 350 books and I've
never connected to a single oneof them.
Your book changed me.
She's my salesperson now.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
You know what I'm saying yeah, man, I mean all
about yeah.
Greg ford said one time he toldme and I never forgot it man,
uh, I can even literally seemyself standing on the patio of
callahan's bar before I did thefirst ever event that I ever
threw.
I wasn't in business yet, I wasstill working.
A cemetery connected with.
Greg told I wanted to.
You know, do all these thingsand you know he's like bro any
way.
Uh, you know, be some gasolineon a fire, bro.

(01:30:12):
I'm in, right and we're sittingon this patio and you know I'm
like man.
I don't know if anyone's showingup and you know all of the
things, the insecurities, theanxieties, what's going to be.
You know, I got to talk toeverybody and, uh, you happens.
You can control you.
You can control who you are,how you show up, all of those

(01:30:36):
things, how you treat people.
He said all of your greatestresources are in your
relationships.
You ain't got to be Harvardgrad.
You ain't got to be born intowealth.
You don't have to be born intopoverty.
None of that matters.
Born into wealth you don't haveto be born into poverty.
None of that matters, right?

(01:30:56):
You?
The the more work that you cando on you and take care of the
people around you, the moreresources you're going to have.
And that's why people like us,we connect and we're branches,
because it just goes off in andthat's how it's supposed to be.
You align with somebody, youallow their vision, their goals,
whatever it is, their beliefs,and you, you know that's why
we're here, because we connectto connect other people, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
I mean everything we're talking about right now.
Like you know, we talk aboutthe difference between leaders
and managers.
That's what leadership is, bro.
It's not selling people on avision, it's having people be
impacted by your vision one tobe a part of it.
That's what leadership is.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
It's good man, good shit bro.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Yeah, man, dude, I appreciate you, my man.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Yeah, I did.
I got a bum shoulder.
Dad didn't go after that one,that one dropped the ladder man,
you and me both.
My neck is hurting man, but brothis was incredible, man, hey.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
So you know what's up .
I'm gonna be here every four tosix weeks, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
We can always do mini catch-ups 100% man and you know
, anytime you ever need.
You know more than welcome tocome in here work.
We got plenty of space, plentyof rooms.
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Whatever it is, bro, I appreciate that bro, give us
the heads up next time.
Sometimes that environmentalchange is important, dude, you
know, sometimes it's hard toconcentrate in my house, my home
office you know, whatever mybeast, I'll take you up on that
man.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
I appreciate you, my man and dude, when you're
rolling out.
Obviously, brother, be careful,safe man.
Uh, name of the book, realquick.
I don't know if we said thatunchained.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Okay how to break through fear-based thinking into
faith-based acting in life,leadership and business and how
do they find you?
Tarik ccom t-a-r-e-k-ccom.
That's where you can pre-orderthe book.
And then my social tarikunderscore chadri t-a-r-e-k.
Underscore c-h-a-u-d-h-a-r-y.

(01:32:45):
We're gonna rethink.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
Maybe, if I come up with a new, uh, a new social
media handle but rice will dropit the video, and.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
I'm sure you'll drop it in the bottom of Spotify for
me.
And when's the book releasing,don't know yet.
So it's in the final edit.
Okay, and then I have to reviewthe original printed copy which
should be to me in two weeksand then it goes to the last
final edit and then it goes toprinting, so it should be
available within about 45 days.

(01:33:13):
So it's on pre-order right nowat a discounted rate Fire dude.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
One last thing Earlier you said your resource.
Where do they find that?
Oh bro, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
So if you go to my Instagram bio, just click the
link in the bio or you can godirectly to the website.
It's calledBreakingFreeFromResentmentcom.
That's a fire name, becausethat's what it is, man and look.
The reason it's free is becausethis was a gift that was given
to me that I didn't have to payfor, and so to try to go and

(01:33:44):
charge somebody else for thefree gift that was given to me,
the most transformational giftthat was ever given to me I
couldn't do it, and I assure youthis.
You can never, ever given to me.
I couldn't do it, and I assureyou this.
You can never reach out to me.
You can never follow any of mycontent.
You can go down download thatfree resource.

(01:34:05):
do the work and your life willnever be the same.
You heard it, but you got to dothe work.
And it's going to be painful todo the work.
It really is.
And if you're not ready to takea deep look inward, you're not
ready to challenge yourself,your way of thinking, you're not
ready to be humble and, in away, a little bit humiliated by
your own actions, don't do it.
Don't waste your time.

(01:34:27):
But if you're willing to workand you just can no longer live
with this pain inside of you andyou're willing to let let it go
at any cost, do the work.
It'll change your life, Iguarantee you.
Bro.
I'd say I'll give you yourmoney back, but I'm giving it to
you for you, so I don't knowhow to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
I tell you what you do it 99 boy.
You do it and it doesn't changeyou.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
I'll give you a free hour coaching bro, that's fire.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
You heard it tarik.
I appreciate you, bro.
Thanks for coming in, thereckless ceo we out.

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