March 22, 2024 • 58 mins
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As night falls and shadows creep across the walls of our homes, we are joined by a family who knows all too well the haunting truth that lurks within those shadows. Their tale begins with young Tyler, a child graced with an extraordinary psychic connection, and the spiritual battle that ensued from his interactions with the unseen. Together, we peel back the layers of fear and fascination that encompass their story, revealing a history that binds the living with the spirits of the past in a small town in Kearney, Missouri.
Venturing beyond the veil of skepticism, we traverse the haunted hallways of a house with more than a century of secrets. Our guest recounts the bone-chilling details of entities named Jimmy and Charlie, and the shocking historical discoveries that echo through Tyler's uncanny knowledge. Symbols of faith become the family's shield, and as we explore their journey, we too find ourselves questioning the power of history and the possibility of its influence reaching into our present lives.
The episode crescendos under a cloak of darkness, as our guest finds themselves drawn into the street at an ungodly hour, her fast food growing cold as she's faced with a harrowing revelation about her own home. The stage is set, the players revealed, and what remains is a narrative that promises to unsettle and challenge. Lean in and listen, for these aren't just ghost stories—they're a testament to the supernatural encounters that may be happening just beyond your doorway.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this episode of the redacted, we're going to be
doing something a littledifferent.
We're dipping our toe into theI guess you'd call it the
paranormal world, and there's alot of these stories out there
and I'm as big of a skeptic asthe next, but, as you'll hear,
(00:21):
it's one of those things, like alot of things in life, like car
accidents or cancer or arobbery.
It's one of those things thatthere's a pattern and every time
it happens to someone, theyalways say I never thought it
would happen to me or I didn'tbelieve it until it happened to
(00:42):
me.
And that's something veryinteresting to think about and
it's worth exploring.
You could also look at thisfrom a different perspective and
you know you have to get yourhouse in order, your
spirituality in order, yourmental health in order, your
depression in order.
(01:03):
Stephen King had a really greatquote about you know monsters
and ghosts, and he said monstersare real and ghosts are real
too.
They live inside us andsometimes they win.
So with that, enjoy thisepisode in this interview.
(01:23):
It's going to be a two parterand we're going to have the next
part released a week from thisepisode.
Enjoy, Okay.
(02:10):
Thank you everybody for tuningin to the Redacted Podcast.
My name is Matt Bender and wehave a little bit of a different
show today than our usual, butit's definitely something that's
super interesting and one ofthose things that it's
understandable that somebodywouldn't want to talk about
(02:33):
necessarily, so we have ourguest on.
Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And what you had was I guess you'd call it a
nefarious haunting or some kindof a spiritual attack on your
family- Absolutely it was.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
It encompassed our whole entire family.
But it was really.
Target was my son, because ofhis psychic abilities.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Okay, okay.
And so the thing about stufflike this and I've always been
so curious and I guess I've beenfortunate enough to have not
had any of these kind ofexperiences.
But people can be skeptical onthese stories, Do you kind of
(03:26):
find that?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
They're very skeptical and they want to poke
at it and make fun events untilit slaps them in the face like
it did us.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, I can.
It's one of those things Iguess seeing is believing and
you can't force anyone to kindof understand that until it
happens to them, but when itdoes and you know all the things
I've seen it's always it'sterrifying, it's fucking
terrifying, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Oh, yes, it is.
You will go to sleep, and somedays you won't sleep and other
days you will go to sleep withthat holy water praying.
Yes, my family, we'veexperienced all of it.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And the nature of that skepticism that you've
experienced, and I'm sure a lotof others have, doesn't, in a
way, keep people from sharingtheir story, because it's like
oh, you're kooky, oh, thatdidn't, that was all in your
imagination, that was all youknow, and people don't want to
hear that, so they just don'tshare.
(04:30):
Sometimes, it seems, yes, mostdefinitely.
Yeah, that's tough.
Well, why don't you start us atthe beginning of where I guess
you first noticed or startedhaving experiences, or other
people in your family started to?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well, like I said, it's kind of a double story into
one, our middle son, tyler.
He has a very old soul, alwaysjust very helpful.
He could always just look athim and people are always
automatically drawn to him.
It was not that my other kidsweren't special or anything like
(05:14):
that, but there was alwayssomething different about Tyler,
always has been, when he wasprobably about three years old.
I've always been into genealogyand I had some pictures of my
grandfather, who's passed for Idon't know 25 plus years, and my
grandfather used to run an oldScali station and I had the
(05:37):
picture out just because I wasputting a new photo album
together.
And again Tyler had no idea whohe was or anything.
And he went up to the pictureand I remember him saying and
again I'm paraphrasing becauseit's been a while and at the
time, like he was three, he saidthat he'd seen him before and
(05:58):
I'm like, what do you mean?
You've seen him before?
And he said, oh, he comes in myroom and plays with me and then
he just ran off.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Wow, that's that was.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
That was the first time I was crazy.
And they always say you know,the younger they are, they're
more open and in tune with thattype of events.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
My grandfather.
Like I said, he worked in aScali station so he always wore
I always call him the bittycoveralls and after that that is
all Tyler would wear.
He had to wear his bittycoveralls and that's all my
grandfather wore and we wouldalways hear him in his room.
He was one of those kids thatyou could buy.
He couldn't buy enough playsets.
(06:39):
I mean he would have play setvillages.
He would line them up and hewould play for hours with those
and you could hear him talking,but nothing was ever threatening
.
It sounded like where my otherson.
He wouldn't play with a playset for nothing.
He was bored within fiveminutes.
That's kind of how we firstknew about his abilities, but we
(07:03):
never really.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
You just saw something was different.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, I mean we just like okay, that's Tyler, that's
just Tyler.
Where it really took a turn waswhen my husband had rotator
cuff surgery, which can be areally tough surgery.
He had been out of work becauseof the surgery and they had
(07:28):
been giving him Vicodin's.
Well, he had tapped out and weended up having to go to
Colorado for wrestling becausewe travel a lot for wrestling.
We have three years and I'm notgoing to lie.
He took some medicinal ointmentand that was how my husband was
able to get off the Vicodin.
(07:49):
Praise God on that one.
It does have a good medicinaleffect there.
And when we came back home fromthe trip, mike was scheduled to
go back to work.
He works at an automotive plantand, having seniority, you go
out on medical, you go back toyour job.
Well, he went back to his joband they gave his job to
(08:11):
somebody else.
This is a man who has 20 yearsin.
He should be able to go back tohis job.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
That's terrible.
They put him back on the linewhere he had worked so many
years to get the job he had.
They gave it one of the theycall it committee people.
They gave it to one of theirbuddies.
So my husband ended up havingto go back on the line.
When he did that it really puthim in a dark phase.
(08:42):
He was depressed.
He was fighting, trying to getout.
Why did you know my job?
Screw me.
Excuse me for saying it thatway.
He was missing work.
I mean, he just took a diveinto depression land and it was
dark.
That is when things, when hehit that dark depression, that's
(09:07):
when things really took areally bad turn.
Tyler was always able to sleepin his room.
Again, he was like five, goingon, six years old.
He would sleep in his room.
When Mike hit this depression,all of a sudden he every night
was in our room and again, youknow they're five, six years old
.
Okay, that's fine, no big deal.
(09:27):
You know he come in in themiddle of the night while we
were asleep.
So it really didn't bother us.
We didn't really think anythingof it.
It wasn't until probably acouple months of him coming in
the middle of the night.
I remember my husband wasworking we call it Super Sundays
, which is overtime, and I wokeup to a loud clunking sound in
(09:52):
my dryer and I thought my dryerhad broken.
It ended up being my husband'swork coveralls.
And I'm like, okay, why is ittwo, 33 o'clock in the morning,
and he usually gets up about4.30 because he worked day shift
.
I was like why did he turnthose on?
Maybe he washed them in themiddle of the night and he woke
(10:12):
up, turned it on.
Whatever.
I turned it off.
I went back to bed.
About 30 minutes later I wake upto the clunking sound again.
I go and turn it off again.
I end up falling back to sleep.
Mike messaged me, I don't know,about 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock in
(10:33):
the morning again it's Sunday.
I reply back to him hey, whydid you turn on the dryer at 2,
3 o'clock in the morning?
And he's like I didn't.
I thought that was you.
I'm like, no, I didn't turn thedryer on.
So he's like well, maybe theboys did.
Nope, they did not turn it on,just ignored it really, and it
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was actually the dryer, itwasn't just a sound that sounded
like the dryer.
No, no, the dryer was full ongoing.
In fact, when Mike woke up hisKevlarals were warm for him so
he thought I was being nice andturned it on for him.
Now it turned on by itself andit actually it was three times.
It did it Three times.
(11:19):
I had to turn it off and Tylerwas in our room at this time.
So that was that weekend.
Then little stuff around ourhouse would go missing Keys one
day.
I couldn't find my keys.
I found them in therefrigerator, just little stuff
(11:40):
constantly being like hiddenfrom us, almost like a little
kid hiding your stuff, likeplaying pranks.
There is that aspect.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, and probably at the time didn't seem like
anything.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
No, and when we're both.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
This is only in hindsight.
This starts to connect.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Absolutely.
We're living life.
So we both work, we havemultiple kids, we travel for
wrestling.
My daughter had I think she wasat the time two.
I just started her in a dance.
We had a lot of things going onand actually I think my dad had
just been diagnosed with cancerat that time.
So I didn't give any time toreally sit down like oh wow,
(12:23):
Julie, something's going on inyour house red flags.
I didn't really take that time,if that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, totally.
I mean you had a lot going onand you know the stories.
I've seen too different TVshows and stuff like that before
.
It always seems to kind ofoccur when people are having
maybe a tumultuous or a chaoticor some kind of a change in life
(12:52):
.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yes, it's yes, absolutely yes, so you don't
have time to focus on it.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
So when you don't focus on it, it tends to grow,
and that's what we learned.
Okay yeah, so paying attentionto it.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
yeah, exactly, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
We had other times to where my husband hung out a lot
in the garage.
He would just fixing stuff.
That was just.
You know, we have a three cargarage and so that's his manhunt
hideout.
He has this big boombox he'shad since like the 90s.
It's old but it's his favoriteand he loves it and it's so
(13:35):
durable.
It would turn on in the middleof the night.
It would turn on during daytime, just I don't know.
Or just turn on, just turn on.
One time it did turn on in themiddle of the night like full
blast.
He was working what we calledit to odd shift, we call it sea
(13:56):
crew.
It's Friday, Saturday day,sunday, monday nights, and it
turned on in the middle of thenights and he was at work.
Well, I went down to the garageto turn it off and it was not
plugged in.
Whoa, yes.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And there was no batteries or anything.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Batteries.
No, I mean, this thing is fromthe 90s.
The batteries in it are like belike acid coming out.
Yeah.
So, we're not going with it.
There was no possible way, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So, between the dryer incident and the stuff missing
and then this thing turning on,I mean, what kind of timeframe
is this?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Was this within months, or Within like a two,
three months time span, and thenthe music that was playing was
AC DC highway to hell.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Oh, you got to be kidding me.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
No, I'm not?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Was it on the radio or was it like a?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yes, it was on the radio.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Oh my God.
So that had to raise, that hadto send a chill up your spine
when you saw the thing wasn'tplugged in.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Being a cradle Catholic I am.
I rebuked it in the name ofJesus and claimed the blood
right there and I ran yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Everything else probably seemed pretty innocuous
to that point, but when you,when you have a device turn on
that isn't even plugged in,that's oof.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
That was the big red flag.
And then it was a couple ofweeks later.
Like I said, tyler wasconstantly coming in our room
every night, every night, whichwas fine, it was fine.
We started hearing him talk alot and it was like he had a
pretend friend.
Now again, he's my middle child, I've already had my oldest one
(15:47):
never had a pretend friend, buteach kid is different to each.
So I was like, okay, so he'sgot a pretend friend, that's
fine.
He would sit in his room withhis Superman playhouse, his
Ninja Turtle, I mean he had likesix of them lined up, his
little playhouse city and Icould hear him talking, just
(16:07):
talking.
So I just thought he had apretend friend, didn't think,
really, didn't give any creditto it, nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah, and that seems pretty normal.
I mean, kids do that.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Absolutely, although my other didn't.
I just thought, okay, this isTyler.
Yeah, my little quirky one,that's fine.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
My husband.
It was a few days late.
A few days later, after thetalking really started, my
husband was working night so Ihad to get up early for work,
take the kids to school, so Iclosed my bedroom door so my
husband could sleep.
I was in the hall bathroomgetting ready and Tyler came up
(16:49):
to me and he's like mommy, guesswhat?
And I was like what I mean Ican remember to this day, it's
so vivid.
He's like Jimmy and Charliewant me to be like them.
I was like, well, who's Jimmyand Charlie Ty?
We called him Ty Ty.
Who is he, ty Ty?
And he's like they're myfriends that come play with me.
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I was like, well, that's awfulnice of them.
What do they want you to be,tyler?
They want me to be a ghost.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Just ran the fuck off and I'm sitting there with the
curler iron in my hair like whatthe fuck just happened.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Oh shit, yeah, that's creepy.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yes.
So that's like I was like, okay, we gotta do something.
That's when I stopped in mytracks right there.
So we would watch a fewdifferent ghost shows.
My husband and I were into them.
Dead Files was our favorite wewatched because it kind of did
investigation but yet it touchedon the paranormal.
(17:49):
So I kind of started contactinga few ghost shows, see if they
would help.
I never got feedback fromnobody, nobody, nothing.
So I remember watching DeadFiles and there was a similar
situation and they brought inlike a psychic medium.
So I'm like, okay, I need tofind a psychic medium.
(18:11):
I start looking in we live inthe Kansas city type area and I
start looking around and theywant about $500 or $600.
I can't afford it.
I mean, we just we couldn'tafford it to do that.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
And that's for someone to basically who-.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Come to my house.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Who's a medium.
Come to your house and figureout what's going on.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
After Tyler came to tell me about Jimmy and Charlie
and, like I said, he had namesfor these two friends of his,
jimmy and Charlie.
After Tyler had them came andtalked to me about him, he was
more open about it and wouldtell me a little stuff.
All of a sudden he startedtelling me a little stories
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about Jimmy and Charlie.
He told us about how his dadhad anger issues and he started
telling us stories about Jimmyand Charlie's life on the farm.
It was too detailed for asix-year-old to know.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, I was just about to ask that, and it's like
you can't feed a kid that youngthat kind of information and to
them to him it doesn't seemweird.
I guess To us it seems strange,but to him he's just like oh
yeah, they grew up on a farm andthey had a dad with him.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Like that's yes, yeah , so again, like I told you
earlier, I love genealogy, Ilove history.
My husband and I would love togo do metal detecting.
So we live in the countryactually it's Carney, missouri,
where Jesse James' house is, boyhome, he's buried here, all
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that.
It's very old land.
Although this town has beenrenamed, there's a lot of old
history where we're at.
So my husband and I used to do,and we still do, time to time
when we get it is we do metaldetecting.
It's just our little date day.
So I was familiar with when wedo metal detecting I would pull
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up old plat maps and I like tosee where old houses were,
because then that would tell uswhere we would do our metal
detecting at.
So while Tyler was continuing totell us details of Jimmy and
Charlie, I decided to pull allthe plat maps up from our house
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and I started to do the historyof our house and although we
don't have all sorts of land oranything like that, back in the
day it was very much cattle area.
Again, jesse James and hisfamily actually they lived, I
think, less than half a milefrom our house.
So that's cattle, yeah,absolutely.
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So you just never know whathappened.
So I started pulling the oldplat maps up and I figured out
that I remember I work at anautomotive plant too and I work
in the offices and we wereredoing the offices so everybody
was like sitting in the middle.
And I got on my computer and Ipulled the old plat map of 1879,
(21:36):
and there was a family thatlived where our house was with
the last name Johnson which, andthey had like five kids, and
two of their kids' name wasCharles and Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
And that's literally what I said at work.
I said holy shit.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And I remember the guy crossed for me, john, and
he's like Julie, what's wrong?
And I was like I remember I wasjust like dead.
And he's like he came over tomy computer and he's like, oh,
you're doing old map searches.
Well, I hadn't told anybodywhat happened or what was going
on at our house and I ended uptelling John about it and he's
like you mean to tell me yourson knows the names of this.
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I said yeah, he called himJimmy and Charlie and said and I
was like look, 1879, they livedwhere our house stands right
now.
It's like how the fuck is thatpossible?
How could a six-year-old knowthat shit?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Geez is that that's what you got abilities.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
There's more to this did that.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I Mean in that moment where you kind of terrified or
Fascinated, I mean, what wasthat emotion, that?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
you had as a?
I wasn't.
I was more about protecting mychild.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
So you were scared for your child.
Now, Absolutely okay, I.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Left work right away and I went home and I remember
walking through my house and wedidn't have and again, we're
Christian, I mean, I'm cradleCatholic we had not one cross in
our house.
We had nothing that said, hi,we believe in Jesus.
It wasn't anything done onpurpose, it was just we moved in
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our house, we started having.
I started having babies, oneafter another, and, busy with
life, I never really decoratedmy house, we were in survival
mode, more so, and so that'swhen I was like, okay, we need
to get some Christian stuff inour house.
I went to Savers and I boughtall sorts of crosses and I put
across in Every single room andthen I put pictures.
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I put a plaque as St Jude andIn Tyler's room because St Jude
is supposed to be for in time inneed or you needing help and my
son, ty Ty, he was and he stillis.
He's a little smaller, he's.
He's not at tall.
He's not tall by any means.
He's always been a little guy,very, very short, very just.
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He's like a perfect littlewrestler.
He's a short little guy and hisDresser was super tall and he
could never reach the top twoand drawers.
He always had a little like astep stool to get to him and I
remember I put the picture of StJude on his dresser and Then I
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had a candle that had beenblessed by the church and I had
it in his room.
So that was set in his room and, like I said, every other room
in the house I had him set up myoldest son's room was
downstairs, the very downdownstairs, because I have like
a split level house.
He was in California at awrestling camp, but I still put
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Some type of candle down in hisroom and I put it across in his
room.
Well, I called my husband and Itold my husband what was going
on, what I found the plat mapsand that he's like Well, what do
we need to do?
I said we need to bringsomebody over here to bless this
house and bless it immediately,and then we need to bring a
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medium in or figure somethingout.
And At this time Mike is stilldealing with his depression.
So I'm fighting the battle oftrying to get my husband out of
depression.
He was going through stuff withthe work thing, taking his job.
He was dealing with stuff withhis family they're Not the best
supportive family.
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Then I had dealing with my sonof whether these ghosts or these
entities or whoever he's seeingor want to make him a ghost,
and His room was on the thirdlevel.
His room is, and all I canthink is him jumping out the
window, or so I didn't know.
Just that's what I keptthinking, because he was
(25:59):
obsessed with Superman too.
So I hope, I was hoping okay,and I think he's Superman and he
could fly again.
My mind is just going you justdon't know.
You just don't know what'sgonna happen.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, that's got to be horrifying, because and I
mean, is he understanding any ofthis yet?
Or is this just Maybe kind offun to him, or just some friends
?
He doesn't quite get it.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
He doesn't know and I didn't want to cycle it either.
Yeah but you have to embrace it.
Yeah, I just let him come to meon it.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Well, and you didn't want to scare him either.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
No, yeah, no, I did, I did not.
So I started, like I said, Istarted doing some research to
bring mediums in.
They wanted anywhere at thecheap range was 500, all the way
up to a couple thousand, and wejust couldn't afford it at the
time.
We just can't afford that.
Um, so my, my husband's I callmy, my school, my church, and he
(26:58):
went to Methodist Church.
So I call them, I tell themwhat's going on and they're like
well, we won't come to yourhouse, but you could come over
here and we'll pray for you,mike.
Okay, that does me no good, Ineed you at my house.
They wouldn't do that.
So then I call my husband, tellhim that well then, that made
him even more angry that hischurch that he had gone to since
(27:19):
he was a baby in baptized,wouldn't even come to help.
So I'm Catholic, but I had notbeen.
I hadn't been a good Catholicand been practicing.
Let's just say that.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
It's hard to be a good Catholic.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, and then I had him got the kids baptized.
I just we hadn't done, we'rejust living life and surviving
at that mode.
So I told Mike, I was like I'mcalling the Catholic Church and
so I called the one in in Carneyand I remember the secretary.
She's like, well, what do youwant to talk to the priest about
(27:57):
?
And it's like, okay, what do Itell her?
If I tell her the truth, shecould actually think I'm nuts.
What do I have to lose at thispoint?
So I told the, the secretary islike well, I'd like to talk to
the priest because I think myhouse is haunted.
I think my there's ghost in myhouse that are trying to kill my
son.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I remember saying that yeah, it's a weird sentence
to get out.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, and the lady's like oh.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, no big deal.
Let me put you through to thatdepartment.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah.
So the priest and father Al, hewas wonderful, he was like a
gift of God.
And I tell him Everything thatwas going on.
I told him, like my husband'sdepression.
I told him what Tyler's seeing.
I tell him how I've been a badCatholic.
You know the whole.
Yeah, I was such a bad Catholic.
I even got married in Vegas.
(28:51):
You know I didn't do it right.
You know everything I was like,but I promised to do better.
Now Can you please come clearmy house, um?
And he said I'll be theretonight at 7 pm and I'm like oh,
yeah, oh.
You know the other place wheremy husband been, whose whole
life, won't even give us thetime of day.
(29:11):
Well, this guy's never met usand he's gonna kind of our house
at 7 pm.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Okay, had to be a huge relief just to hear that.
Just to do, you know yes like,okay, now we got somebody else
that's not only believing me,but yeah, possibly help us.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Absolutely so.
My mom is like the holier thannow.
I always kind of put my mom inthat pedestal.
So I tell my mom about it andmy mom's like I'll come over as
well.
And she had holy water that hadbeen blessed from Jerusalem.
So she came over to.
She was sitting.
Like I said, we have a splitlevel, multiple level house.
(29:49):
She was sitting in the kitchen,which was upstairs.
Father Al comes to the door andI remember when he came to
Doria at the smile on his facebut he kept looking around and
it was kind of weird the way hewas looking around.
He wasn't even in our house yetbut we let him in and he went
into our living room.
(30:10):
My mom remained upstairs.
She can't walk real good, soshe just stayed upstairs.
Mike and I were downstairs withFather Al and he was.
We kind of just told him thestory by his depression, what
Tyler's been seeing, we didn'tknow what was going on.
Well, he showed us that he hadbrought some Holy water to that
(30:34):
had been blessed and kind offind out it had been blessed
where my mom's water was too.
Wow in Jerusalem, yes, oh it waslike that's kind of cool, yeah,
well, then my mom says Julie,come here.
And I'm like mom, not now.
Hello, father Al's here Tryingto get my house cleared.
And she's like Julie now, whichis not like my mom at all.
(30:57):
So I'm like okay, excuse me,mike stayed downstairs in living
room with father Al.
I go upstairs to my mom likemom, what, what the fuck?
And she's like Did you not hearthat?
I'm like no, and she saidsomething's going on in Tyler's
room.
So my mom walks with me, we goto Tyler's room and, if you
(31:18):
remember me saying, his dresseris tall, this kid is short, he
hasn't been on a grue, he justhit the gross scale and he's 14,
if that tells you anything.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Okay, yeah, and I mean just to back up are the
kids home?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
at Jordan is in California.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So Tyler's on.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Tyler was not home at that.
At the first meeting we had himgo over to a friend's house to
while father Al came over andour daughter was at a friend's
house too.
Again, she was like two yearsold, so she's really clueless to
all that we hear something in.
So I walked towards Tyler'sroom, which is very long hallway
(32:02):
, and the picture as st Jude hadbeen knocked down and the
candle I had lit on the dresserWas in the hallway.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Oh geez.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
And that all happened when father Al came in our
house.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So something I always I mean once again just watching
stories, it's it's likewhatever entity or spiritual
thing is going on, when you knowyou bring a priest over, when
you start stepping it up, italmost seems like they start
stepping it up.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Absolutely, and I think, yes, I think that's
that's so fascinating.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
It's like that there's a pattern to it.
I mean, yes, there's always apattern to these stories and I
don't think we've We'vecompletely figured it out.
I don't think we know muchabout it at all, but there's.
There always seems to be thatelement of like okay, you want
war, I got war for you.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Uh-huh, yes, and they were ready to take it all on
wow.
Yes, so you know, I cleaned upthe candle.
There's wax, there's a waxtrail.
Um, all the way from one end ofhis room until the hallway, the
st Jude picture knocked down.
I put that back up.
My mom stayed in the room and Ithink she was doing some
(33:28):
prayers.
She had her rosary with her.
Um, I went back down there withfather Al and my husband and I
didn't say anything to father Alabout it, I just kind of
listened and he, we just kind ofgave him our, our life story.
Um, then he went around eachroom and he blessed each room
(33:52):
and then he did a prayer foreach of us but one, and then
invited us to start coming tochurch.
Um, again, my husband wasMethodist but he was very upset
that the Methodist churchwouldn't help us and our time in
needs and Mike's like you knowwhat, forget it, I'm gonna, uh,
I'm gonna join the Catholicchurch.
(34:12):
They were there, they helped us.
So that's what he ended up.
We ended up starting goingregularly to church there.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, well, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Absolutely Well.
After Father Al left, we reallydidn't feel anything.
It was just, you know, okay, itwas just like a regular visit.
We didn't think nothing of it.
That night Tyler came into ourroom again and he said that
(34:49):
Jimmy and Charlie kept talkingreally loudly and wouldn't let
him sleep.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Oh, geez.
Yes, that's horrifying.
I mean, through all of this,does this just make the hairs on
your neck stand up?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
As you just don't know where to turn.
You know, it's not like wecould go sell our house.
We weren't financially set likethat, like okay, you know we're
going to give up, you know, a$350,000 house?
No, we got to fix something here, Mike had gone to work a couple
days later and again he's gotthis depressed, angry.
(35:26):
Look on his face.
You see him.
You don't want to approach him,type.
You can just feel that.
And this the guy that was oneguy that approached him at work
sells houses on the side andthat's how we ended up buying
our house.
And Travis goes up to Mike andis like Matt, mike, you know
what the fuck's wrong with you?
Why are you so angry?
He was messing with him when hesaid it.
(35:46):
And Mike's like dude, not now.
And Travis is like dude,seriously, what's going on?
And Mike's like I haven't sleptmuch, I'm dealing with a lot.
He sold us a fucking hauntedhouse, so get the fuck away from
me.
So Mike told him and he's likewhat do you mean?
And Mike starts telling himabout what we're dealing with
(36:08):
that house.
He's like hey, I've got somepeople that will come and we'll
do it for free, because they dothis.
They have real jobs.
One's an engineer, two of themare teachers, husband and wife,
and they do this on the side.
They're not wanting to makemoney, they're just interested.
And Mike's like give Julie theinformation.
So Travis ends up messaging mewith them with their contact
(36:33):
info.
So I end up messaging them andI talked to them.
We kept conversing back andforth, text messaging, and then
Facebook, instagram messaging.
They finally agreed to kind oftake our case on and we had a
date to where we were going todo like a phone interview.
(36:55):
And it was like a week beforethey could do this phone
interview.
I remember that Well.
At that time I kept doingresearch on our house.
I got the first people in the1700s from Thomas Jefferson who
signed a land grant to the firstowners of our house.
(37:15):
I mean I have every informationof faucet.
I can tell you everything thathappened on our house and our
land where our house is good.
I'm learning more and moreabout Jimmy, the Johnson family.
It was one of the only murdersthat occurred in Carney, which
(37:36):
was actually called centervilleat the time.
I'm learning how bad of angerthis man had.
Tyler was not wrong.
I'm learning how Jimmy andCharlie died.
I mean, I'm learning all sortsof stuff and it's just like
hitting me, it was of anoverload.
Every day I was learning moreand more stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
And are you talking to I mean, besides obviously,
the priest and this team ofghost hunters?
Are you talking to anyone elseabout this really?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
No, my mom, I did talk to my mom because they're
going to look at me like I'mjust fucking nuts.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Well, understandably right.
I mean because you might havedone the same thing like before
all of this happened.
Yeah, that's the kind of crazypart about this.
So you just keep finding outmore and more and it's
corroborating everything yourson is telling you and there's
(38:43):
no way on earth that he couldknow this stuff.
Yeah, that's what alwayscatches me.
It's like when you put the kidsin it like that you couldn't
tell them the story to retell it, you couldn't feed them that
lie.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
No, wow, we live in small town, kearney, missouri.
One of the original founderslast name is Greenfield, and the
Greenfields were connected toour land.
There's a Greenfield bighousing addition even, but they
(39:23):
had their original house waswhere our house stood and it was
cattle.
They were raising cattle andthey would sell cattle down to
the stockyards in Kansas Citystockyards.
So again, I'm learning more andmore.
And this was like the late 1800sto early 1900s.
(39:44):
Well, I learned.
I mean, again, I went all theway from seventh and jumping, so
please forgive me, I went fromthe 1700s I had to 1900s to
where we are now.
I mean it was over.
It was very much an overload.
I did find it fascinating andI'm still fascinated today.
(40:05):
I still try to find stuff.
The original owner of our housewas married, was a fur trader
and was married to an Indianlady, a Sue Indian, and I found
where he was buried.
I found where their kids wouldbury, but I never found her,
which I always found that odd.
She ended up staying on theland and, I believe, dying on
(40:30):
the land, but we never.
You just Indian culture,tradition.
They may have buried her in adifferent way compared to the
kids or her husband.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, yeah, just cultural differences.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Now the second owner of ourland was another had married
another Indian lady, which Ifelt it was weird.
There was so much Indianconnection there too.
When her husband died shestayed on the land and the new
(41:06):
owners allowed her to live withthem Again.
They were and this is like1830s to 1840s.
Women, let alone Indian womenwidows weren't allowed to own
land or anything.
So it ended the land ended upgoing to being sold, but they
allowed her to stay there Likeas a house servant is how she
(41:29):
ended up staying on the land.
She did not want to leave itbecause I read different stories
and books in the Clay Countyregister.
She was in the genealogydepartment that had really cool,
interesting stories that shehad written like journals
entries.
So I was able to get differentfaucets of people's life and I
(41:50):
learned a lot about our town.
I will say that I didn'trealize Carney was actually
called Centerville back then.
It had been renamed after theCivil War.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
After she passed, I don't know, the second Indian
lady passed, don't know whereshe ended up buried either.
So these two women, they're MIA, they're totally MIA.
The new owners of the landended up buying more cattle and
(42:26):
they were buying land and justkept growing.
And these were the green fields, this was the green field
family, and they ended up buyingthe opening up the first bank
in Carney.
I mean, they were just, theywere buyers, they were trying to
make money and I mean they werevery successful at it as well.
Well, they had the.
Ruth Greenfield was the originallady that lived on our land and
(42:52):
it was a, you know, oldfarmstead type house, plantation
house at the time.
And I started doing someresearch on her and through
ancestry and I ended up findingher nephew.
He and I contacted him and kindof told him a little bit what
was going on in our house.
(43:12):
Well, he ends up sending me allsorts of pictures of her and
what our house looked like.
Well, it's not our house by anymeans.
It's just where our house stood, the land back.
Then he sends me pictures ofthe cattle and how it all
entered play.
There was a horse track by ourhouse.
We had no idea.
I mean just again, I'm learningmore and more stuff and it's
(43:37):
history, so it's intrigues me aswell.
Well, I remember I printed out apicture of Ruth Greenfield and
I put it on our kitchen island.
Then I had a picture of mygrandmother, my great
grandmother, and then just anold lady that I printed off the
(43:57):
internet and I left it on thekitchen island and I was cooking
dinner and Tai Tai comes in andhe's full of energy and he runs
in the kitchen real fast and wehave hardwood floor, so he slid
through and he crawls up onthat kitchen island.
He looks at the pictures and helooks at me.
He said, mommy, why do you havethe picture of the old lady?
(44:17):
And I said what are you talkingabout?
He goes, this old lady, and hepicks up the picture of Ruth
Greenfield, greensfield, and Iwas like what do you?
And this lady had Very thinlips, very curly, curly, curly
hair and she had like a blackdress and it had like a doily on
(44:41):
top, like a lace that makes, ifyou can kind of visualize that.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
And he shows me the picture and she's like standing
in the field and you could seethe cows and everything behind
her.
And I was like, do you know her, tai, tai?
He's like, yeah, she comes andspies on Charlie and Jimmy night
, every night, every time weplay.
And I was like like.
I was like is she mean to you?
(45:10):
And he goes no, she's justannoying.
And I was like, why do you sayshe's annoying?
Because because every time westart playing she starts yelling
at them.
Is what he tells me.
And I was like, well, and youknow, again, he's six.
And I was like, well, maybeshe's just playing with them,
(45:31):
tyler, he goes.
No, she does not like them.
And I said, well, how about theother people?
He's like I don't know who theyare.
He goes, all I know is thisannoying lady and then he runs
off.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Ok so did you.
Did you set those up to try toget him to notice?
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
OK, and it, and it worked.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, how would he yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:58):
exactly.
So he's seeing these, yes, he'sseeing this as well as hearing
it.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
And so now, now we've got Jimmy and Charlie, and now
we have a little lady in myhouse.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
And were they unrelated?
Speaker 2 (46:17):
She didn't know.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Jimmy and Charlie were brothers.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Right, yes, but.
And so we got Jimmy and Charliethere, and now we have the
Greenfield, greenfield.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Not related to Jimmy and Charlie.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
No, no, jimmy and Charlie were there on the land
first.
This Greenfield came after.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Sure, yeah, that's strange.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yes, it was.
Yeah, I had to have a couple ofdrinks that night.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Let's say that's like a ghost party.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Pretty much at my expense.
I'm hosting it too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm trying to figure out.
You know what is going on, whatdo I do?
You know where do we go fromhere?
So I really was just trying tofind out as much about Ruth
Greenfield as I can, and she wasa very prominent lady in Carney
(47:13):
.
Their family is, like I said,there's a housing division
that's named after in the bankthey started the first bank here
in Carney.
I mean, it was so many avenuesof this, of like this was taking
us.
Well then, the nephew of RuthGreenfield since me, it was a
(47:36):
receipt from the stockyard ofsale of, you know, the cows from
the Kansas City Stockyards.
So I'm and again my husband andI were communicating and I'm
telling him everything I'mfinding.
Well, then he starts telling mekind of, find out, his uncle
was a big trader in thestockyards and ended up knowing
(48:00):
what did business with theGreenfields.
So now we're in a wholedifferent avenue here.
I mean, like I said, this justkept evolving, like how is this
even possible?
I cannot remember my husband's.
I think they called him Okibecause he was originally from
Oklahoma, that was.
This is your husband's uncle.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Great, great uncle.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Great, great uncle.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Great, great uncle Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
That had moved from Oklahoma to here to the Liberty,
yeah, and was doing stockyards.
That's why he was making.
His money was through thestockyards and he couldn't read
or write or anything or anything.
So he started.
(48:50):
So then we're taking again,we're all going on a whole
different direction here.
How is the Greenfields are nowmy husband's family is somehow
connected to them.
So then we start doing researchon my husband's family and sure
enough, they did do stockyardtrading with the Greenfields and
(49:13):
more than likely he wasprobably incarnate and could
have come to our land.
It was.
It was just weird.
Like I said, this justaccomplished so much.
So the following week, Iremember, I had the interview
with the psychic mediums and Ihad it at work.
I went into our conference roomand I started.
(49:37):
I did not tell them everything,I only talked to them.
I only gave them cliff notes.
I did not give them details ofeverything I had found because I
really wasn't believing theywere legit.
I just didn't believe.
It's hard when you're goingthrough it because you don't
(49:57):
believe you're going through iteither, but you know you're
going through it.
Yeah, it's a weird feeling.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
And you're almost so.
You're a little skeptical ofthem.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah, Absolutely Did that.
Did that?
I mean you can tell the story,but did that eventually change?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
So we had it set for the ghosthunters to come like the
following weekend.
And I remember Mike, I madesure the kids were gone.
They went to grandma's and thenMike was.
They were coming on a Saturdaynight, they did not need us in
(50:37):
the house, so I was going outwith some of my wrestling moms
birthday party.
My husband had to work onSunday morning but they said
that's fine, he can stay in thebedroom, we'll take care of
everything else as long as youlet us in, like okay.
So we had everything set.
(50:57):
They decided to come come, Ithink a little earlier than
expected, which worked out.
They came in the house and theykind of I remember when they
came over the house there'sthree of them, it was a husband
and wife and then their friendwho was the engineer.
The husband wife were teachersin a nearby city.
(51:17):
They seem very nice people andthey actually did not want me to
tell them everything.
So when they came to our house,I remember they came, the door
opened and I'll never forget thelook on their face was the same
look that father Al gave us.
They looked around like holyshit.
(51:38):
It was one of those looks and Iremember the engineer guy
looked at the what the the ladyand he's like, do you feel it?
And she's like yeah.
And he's like, do you see it?
And she's like absolutely.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
And Mike and I are creepy.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
What the fuck.
Yeah, that's nothing, we seenothing, and this is daylight,
this is like five or six o'clockin the afternoon.
So we do a tour around ourwhole entire house.
We have a four bedroom house.
We have a fairly good sizebackyard.
We took them the backyard, Imean, we showed them everything.
And they're the man, thehusband, teacher, he was more
(52:20):
the investigator and takingnotes.
The wife and the engineer werethe, the mediums and feeding off
each other, and they're everyroom would go into.
Oh, did you see that?
Oh, did you feel that?
Oh, my gosh, yes, I feel that.
Oh my God, my arms, you know,here are my arms.
I mean, they're just every roomwe went into.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
It's lighting up?
Yeah, they're just lighting up.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
So they're spiritually sensitive, a mediums
spiritually sensitive, andthat's maybe a lot like your son
was.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Absolutely or is when they came in time to go in our
bedroom.
They didn't want to go in ourbedroom and Mike and I are like
I'm like this is you know wherewe sleep, and like oh yeah,
we're good, we don't need to goin there.
And you could tell like scaredthey did not want to go in there
at all.
So what they ended up doing wasthey set all their equipment,
(53:19):
they had multiple screens andthey had the, you know those
lights, the, not like the clapon lights, but the sensor to
where you walk by.
Then the light would turn on.
So they had those set up in thegarage, my son's room,
downstairs Tyler's room, ofcourse, my daughter's room and
(53:40):
the hallway and the kitchen.
And I was going out.
My husband went out for dinnerand then when he got home, he
went into the bedroom and justclosed the door and by this time
it was like I don't know aboutnine o'clock because he might
get up super early.
Four, four, 30 ish.
I was gone.
(54:01):
They were doing their stuff.
I text them on my way home,which was around midnight.
So now I'm on my way home, isit okay?
And they're like, yeah, come onhome.
So when I got there they hadall their screens going and they
told me how they pretty wellthink they know what's going on.
Would I mind watching thescreens while they go down into
(54:24):
the garage?
I'm like, okay, sure, so I'mwatching the screens and they
told me to text them if I sawany lights flickering or
anything abnormal on the screen.
They go down to the garage andby this time it's probably about
one o'clock in the morning.
When they go down to the garage, I'm watching the screens, I
(54:51):
look up and I see a lightflickering in my hallway
upstairs.
So I text them.
They answer back Okay, thankyou.
Keep us updated if it happensagain.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Okay, these regular cameras, or they like that.
I see they have infraredsometimes.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
These are like sense yeah, it's infrared, but these
also are like just they remindme of stuff you find like at the
Dollar Tree or Dollar Store ortwo, or just like a little light
sensor.
Go, you walk by, the light goeson.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Okay, okay, oh, I understand the like motion
detectors.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
I can think of the word yes, Okay so you, they set
up motion detectors and then youhave a screen.
What?
What's on the screen?
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Each bedroom, the hallway, the hallway.
The only thing that was not onthere was the was the garage,
and they were there.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Brouch.
So I'm I mean, I text himprobably six, seven times hey,
hallway light going on.
They told me they wouldprobably be down in the base in
the garage for at least a couplehours.
They were up within 30 minutes.
So they come up and I'm like Imade a joke, because to me I'm
(56:05):
still not buying into everythingand I just made a joke.
I'm like, oh, did you find theghost?
And they're like they look ateach other like, oh shit, do we
say anything?
And they're like, yeah, do youwant us to tell you now?
(56:28):
And I'm like, yeah, tell mewhat's going on.
And they tell me.
And they're looking at eachother.
They're just constantly likescared to talk.
They don't want to tell meanything.
And they're like, well, let usput our stuff away.
So by this time it's probablyclose to two-ish.
They finished packing theirstuff and I'm still sitting
(56:52):
there like, okay, why can't theyjust talk to me and tell me
what's going on?
Speaker 1 (56:57):
They're about to tell you just how weird this is.
Yes, that's, that's kind ofwhat I'm guessing.
What comes next?
Yes is going to be like we wantto leave right after we tell
you this.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yes, absolutely.
So they tell, they tell me howthey need to talk to me, but
they need to talk to me in themiddle of the street, outside,
not on the property.
So I'm like, okay, so they'relike, and I remember I like I
(57:32):
said I'd been out, I had myMcDonald's.
I still eat my McDonald's.
I will never forget I havedouble cheeseburger and french
fries.
So I left my food, went intothe.
We, all three of all, four ofus, then three and then myself.
We walk into the middle of thestreet and by this time it's 2,
30 in the morning, 237.
I actually remember that Leavein the leave in the living room,
(57:54):
going in the middle of thestreet, and it's dark, by all
means 2, 30 in the morning, andI'm like we cannot tell you in
the house what's going on.
And I'm like, okay, and they'relike there's multiple facets
going on in your house.
You have multiple entities.
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doing something a littledifferent.
We're dipping our toe into theI guess you'd call it the
paranormal world, and there's alot of these stories out there
and I'm as big of a skeptic asthe next, but, as you'll hear,
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it's one of those things, like alot of things in life, like car
accidents or cancer or arobbery.
It's one of those things thatthere's a pattern and every time
it happens to someone, theyalways say I never thought it
would happen to me or I didn'tbelieve it until it happened to
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me.
And that's something veryinteresting to think about and
it's worth exploring.
You could also look at thisfrom a different perspective and
you know you have to get yourhouse in order, your
spirituality in order, yourmental health in order, your
depression in order.
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Stephen King had a really greatquote about you know monsters
and ghosts, and he said monstersare real and ghosts are real
too.
They live inside us andsometimes they win.
So with that, enjoy thisepisode in this interview.
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It's going to be a two parterand we're going to have the next
part released a week from thisepisode.
Enjoy, Okay.
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Thank you everybody for tuningin to the Redacted Podcast.
My name is Matt Bender and wehave a little bit of a different
show today than our usual, butit's definitely something that's
super interesting and one ofthose things that it's
understandable that somebodywouldn't want to talk about
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necessarily, so we have ourguest on.
Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And what you had was I guess you'd call it a
nefarious haunting or some kindof a spiritual attack on your
family- Absolutely it was.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
It encompassed our whole entire family.
But it was really.
Target was my son, because ofhis psychic abilities.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Okay, okay.
And so the thing about stufflike this and I've always been
so curious and I guess I've beenfortunate enough to have not
had any of these kind ofexperiences.
But people can be skeptical onthese stories, Do you kind of
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find that?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
They're very skeptical and they want to poke
at it and make fun events untilit slaps them in the face like
it did us.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, I can.
It's one of those things Iguess seeing is believing and
you can't force anyone to kindof understand that until it
happens to them, but when itdoes and you know all the things
I've seen it's always it'sterrifying, it's fucking
terrifying, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Oh, yes, it is.
You will go to sleep, and somedays you won't sleep and other
days you will go to sleep withthat holy water praying.
Yes, my family, we'veexperienced all of it.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And the nature of that skepticism that you've
experienced, and I'm sure a lotof others have, doesn't, in a
way, keep people from sharingtheir story, because it's like
oh, you're kooky, oh, thatdidn't, that was all in your
imagination, that was all youknow, and people don't want to
hear that, so they just don'tshare.
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Sometimes, it seems, yes, mostdefinitely.
Yeah, that's tough.
Well, why don't you start us atthe beginning of where I guess
you first noticed or startedhaving experiences, or other
people in your family started to?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well, like I said, it's kind of a double story into
one, our middle son, tyler.
He has a very old soul, alwaysjust very helpful.
He could always just look athim and people are always
automatically drawn to him.
It was not that my other kidsweren't special or anything like
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that, but there was alwayssomething different about Tyler,
always has been, when he wasprobably about three years old.
I've always been into genealogyand I had some pictures of my
grandfather, who's passed for Idon't know 25 plus years, and my
grandfather used to run an oldScali station and I had the
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picture out just because I wasputting a new photo album
together.
And again Tyler had no idea whohe was or anything.
And he went up to the pictureand I remember him saying and
again I'm paraphrasing becauseit's been a while and at the
time, like he was three, he saidthat he'd seen him before and
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I'm like, what do you mean?
You've seen him before?
And he said, oh, he comes in myroom and plays with me and then
he just ran off.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Wow, that's that was.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
That was the first time I was crazy.
And they always say you know,the younger they are, they're
more open and in tune with thattype of events.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
My grandfather.
Like I said, he worked in aScali station so he always wore
I always call him the bittycoveralls and after that that is
all Tyler would wear.
He had to wear his bittycoveralls and that's all my
grandfather wore and we wouldalways hear him in his room.
He was one of those kids thatyou could buy.
He couldn't buy enough playsets.
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I mean he would have play setvillages.
He would line them up and hewould play for hours with those
and you could hear him talking,but nothing was ever threatening
.
It sounded like where my otherson.
He wouldn't play with a playset for nothing.
He was bored within fiveminutes.
That's kind of how we firstknew about his abilities, but we
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never really.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
You just saw something was different.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, I mean we just like okay, that's Tyler, that's
just Tyler.
Where it really took a turn waswhen my husband had rotator
cuff surgery, which can be areally tough surgery.
He had been out of work becauseof the surgery and they had
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been giving him Vicodin's.
Well, he had tapped out and weended up having to go to
Colorado for wrestling becausewe travel a lot for wrestling.
We have three years and I'm notgoing to lie.
He took some medicinal ointmentand that was how my husband was
able to get off the Vicodin.
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Praise God on that one.
It does have a good medicinaleffect there.
And when we came back home fromthe trip, mike was scheduled to
go back to work.
He works at an automotive plantand, having seniority, you go
out on medical, you go back toyour job.
Well, he went back to his joband they gave his job to
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somebody else.
This is a man who has 20 yearsin.
He should be able to go back tohis job.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
That's terrible.
They put him back on the linewhere he had worked so many
years to get the job he had.
They gave it one of the theycall it committee people.
They gave it to one of theirbuddies.
So my husband ended up havingto go back on the line.
When he did that it really puthim in a dark phase.
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He was depressed.
He was fighting, trying to getout.
Why did you know my job?
Screw me.
Excuse me for saying it thatway.
He was missing work.
I mean, he just took a diveinto depression land and it was
dark.
That is when things, when hehit that dark depression, that's
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when things really took areally bad turn.
Tyler was always able to sleepin his room.
Again, he was like five, goingon, six years old.
He would sleep in his room.
When Mike hit this depression,all of a sudden he every night
was in our room and again, youknow they're five, six years old
.
Okay, that's fine, no big deal.
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You know he come in in themiddle of the night while we
were asleep.
So it really didn't bother us.
We didn't really think anythingof it.
It wasn't until probably acouple months of him coming in
the middle of the night.
I remember my husband wasworking we call it Super Sundays
, which is overtime, and I wokeup to a loud clunking sound in
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my dryer and I thought my dryerhad broken.
It ended up being my husband'swork coveralls.
And I'm like, okay, why is ittwo, 33 o'clock in the morning,
and he usually gets up about4.30 because he worked day shift
.
I was like why did he turnthose on?
Maybe he washed them in themiddle of the night and he woke
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up, turned it on.
Whatever.
I turned it off.
I went back to bed.
About 30 minutes later I wake upto the clunking sound again.
I go and turn it off again.
I end up falling back to sleep.
Mike messaged me, I don't know,about 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock in
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the morning again it's Sunday.
I reply back to him hey, whydid you turn on the dryer at 2,
3 o'clock in the morning?
And he's like I didn't.
I thought that was you.
I'm like, no, I didn't turn thedryer on.
So he's like well, maybe theboys did.
Nope, they did not turn it on,just ignored it really, and it
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was actually the dryer, itwasn't just a sound that sounded
like the dryer.
No, no, the dryer was full ongoing.
In fact, when Mike woke up hisKevlarals were warm for him so
he thought I was being nice andturned it on for him.
Now it turned on by itself andit actually it was three times.
It did it Three times.
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I had to turn it off and Tylerwas in our room at this time.
So that was that weekend.
Then little stuff around ourhouse would go missing Keys one
day.
I couldn't find my keys.
I found them in therefrigerator, just little stuff
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constantly being like hiddenfrom us, almost like a little
kid hiding your stuff, likeplaying pranks.
There is that aspect.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, and probably at the time didn't seem like
anything.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
No, and when we're both.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
This is only in hindsight.
This starts to connect.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Absolutely.
We're living life.
So we both work, we havemultiple kids, we travel for
wrestling.
My daughter had I think she wasat the time two.
I just started her in a dance.
We had a lot of things going onand actually I think my dad had
just been diagnosed with cancerat that time.
So I didn't give any time toreally sit down like oh wow,
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Julie, something's going on inyour house red flags.
I didn't really take that time,if that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, totally.
I mean you had a lot going onand you know the stories.
I've seen too different TVshows and stuff like that before
.
It always seems to kind ofoccur when people are having
maybe a tumultuous or a chaoticor some kind of a change in life
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.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yes, it's yes, absolutely yes, so you don't
have time to focus on it.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
So when you don't focus on it, it tends to grow,
and that's what we learned.
Okay yeah, so paying attentionto it.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
yeah, exactly, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
We had other times to where my husband hung out a lot
in the garage.
He would just fixing stuff.
That was just.
You know, we have a three cargarage and so that's his manhunt
hideout.
He has this big boombox he'shad since like the 90s.
It's old but it's his favoriteand he loves it and it's so
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durable.
It would turn on in the middleof the night.
It would turn on during daytime, just I don't know.
Or just turn on, just turn on.
One time it did turn on in themiddle of the night like full
blast.
He was working what we calledit to odd shift, we call it sea
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crew.
It's Friday, Saturday day,sunday, monday nights, and it
turned on in the middle of thenights and he was at work.
Well, I went down to the garageto turn it off and it was not
plugged in.
Whoa, yes.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And there was no batteries or anything.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Batteries.
No, I mean, this thing is fromthe 90s.
The batteries in it are like belike acid coming out.
Yeah.
So, we're not going with it.
There was no possible way, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So, between the dryer incident and the stuff missing
and then this thing turning on,I mean, what kind of timeframe
is this?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Was this within months, or Within like a two,
three months time span, and thenthe music that was playing was
AC DC highway to hell.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Oh, you got to be kidding me.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
No, I'm not?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Was it on the radio or was it like a?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yes, it was on the radio.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Oh my God.
So that had to raise, that hadto send a chill up your spine
when you saw the thing wasn'tplugged in.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Being a cradle Catholic I am.
I rebuked it in the name ofJesus and claimed the blood
right there and I ran yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Everything else probably seemed pretty innocuous
to that point, but when you,when you have a device turn on
that isn't even plugged in,that's oof.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
That was the big red flag.
And then it was a couple ofweeks later.
Like I said, tyler wasconstantly coming in our room
every night, every night, whichwas fine, it was fine.
We started hearing him talk alot and it was like he had a
pretend friend.
Now again, he's my middle child, I've already had my oldest one
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never had a pretend friend, buteach kid is different to each.
So I was like, okay, so he'sgot a pretend friend, that's
fine.
He would sit in his room withhis Superman playhouse, his
Ninja Turtle, I mean he had likesix of them lined up, his
little playhouse city and Icould hear him talking, just
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talking.
So I just thought he had apretend friend, didn't think,
really, didn't give any creditto it, nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah, and that seems pretty normal.
I mean, kids do that.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Absolutely, although my other didn't.
I just thought, okay, this isTyler.
Yeah, my little quirky one,that's fine.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
My husband.
It was a few days late.
A few days later, after thetalking really started, my
husband was working night so Ihad to get up early for work,
take the kids to school, so Iclosed my bedroom door so my
husband could sleep.
I was in the hall bathroomgetting ready and Tyler came up
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to me and he's like mommy, guesswhat?
And I was like what I mean Ican remember to this day, it's
so vivid.
He's like Jimmy and Charliewant me to be like them.
I was like, well, who's Jimmyand Charlie Ty?
We called him Ty Ty.
Who is he, ty Ty?
And he's like they're myfriends that come play with me.
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I was like, well, that's awfulnice of them.
What do they want you to be,tyler?
They want me to be a ghost.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Just ran the fuck off and I'm sitting there with the
curler iron in my hair like whatthe fuck just happened.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Oh shit, yeah, that's creepy.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yes.
So that's like I was like, okay, we gotta do something.
That's when I stopped in mytracks right there.
So we would watch a fewdifferent ghost shows.
My husband and I were into them.
Dead Files was our favorite wewatched because it kind of did
investigation but yet it touchedon the paranormal.
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So I kind of started contactinga few ghost shows, see if they
would help.
I never got feedback fromnobody, nobody, nothing.
So I remember watching DeadFiles and there was a similar
situation and they brought inlike a psychic medium.
So I'm like, okay, I need tofind a psychic medium.
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I start looking in we live inthe Kansas city type area and I
start looking around and theywant about $500 or $600.
I can't afford it.
I mean, we just we couldn'tafford it to do that.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
And that's for someone to basically who-.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Come to my house.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Who's a medium.
Come to your house and figureout what's going on.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
After Tyler came to tell me about Jimmy and Charlie
and, like I said, he had namesfor these two friends of his,
jimmy and Charlie.
After Tyler had them came andtalked to me about him, he was
more open about it and wouldtell me a little stuff.
All of a sudden he startedtelling me a little stories
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about Jimmy and Charlie.
He told us about how his dadhad anger issues and he started
telling us stories about Jimmyand Charlie's life on the farm.
It was too detailed for asix-year-old to know.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, I was just about to ask that, and it's like
you can't feed a kid that youngthat kind of information and to
them to him it doesn't seemweird.
I guess To us it seems strange,but to him he's just like oh
yeah, they grew up on a farm andthey had a dad with him.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Like that's yes, yeah , so again, like I told you
earlier, I love genealogy, Ilove history.
My husband and I would love togo do metal detecting.
So we live in the countryactually it's Carney, missouri,
where Jesse James' house is, boyhome, he's buried here, all
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that.
It's very old land.
Although this town has beenrenamed, there's a lot of old
history where we're at.
So my husband and I used to do,and we still do, time to time
when we get it is we do metaldetecting.
It's just our little date day.
So I was familiar with when wedo metal detecting I would pull
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up old plat maps and I like tosee where old houses were,
because then that would tell uswhere we would do our metal
detecting at.
So while Tyler was continuing totell us details of Jimmy and
Charlie, I decided to pull allthe plat maps up from our house
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and I started to do the historyof our house and although we
don't have all sorts of land oranything like that, back in the
day it was very much cattle area.
Again, jesse James and hisfamily actually they lived, I
think, less than half a milefrom our house.
So that's cattle, yeah,absolutely.
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So you just never know whathappened.
So I started pulling the oldplat maps up and I figured out
that I remember I work at anautomotive plant too and I work
in the offices and we wereredoing the offices so everybody
was like sitting in the middle.
And I got on my computer and Ipulled the old plat map of 1879,
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and there was a family thatlived where our house was with
the last name Johnson which, andthey had like five kids, and
two of their kids' name wasCharles and Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
And that's literally what I said at work.
I said holy shit.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And I remember the guy crossed for me, john, and
he's like Julie, what's wrong?
And I was like I remember I wasjust like dead.
And he's like he came over tomy computer and he's like, oh,
you're doing old map searches.
Well, I hadn't told anybodywhat happened or what was going
on at our house and I ended uptelling John about it and he's
like you mean to tell me yourson knows the names of this.
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I said yeah, he called himJimmy and Charlie and said and I
was like look, 1879, they livedwhere our house stands right
now.
It's like how the fuck is thatpossible?
How could a six-year-old knowthat shit?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Geez is that that's what you got abilities.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
There's more to this did that.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I Mean in that moment where you kind of terrified or
Fascinated, I mean, what wasthat emotion, that?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
you had as a?
I wasn't.
I was more about protecting mychild.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
So you were scared for your child.
Now, Absolutely okay, I.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Left work right away and I went home and I remember
walking through my house and wedidn't have and again, we're
Christian, I mean, I'm cradleCatholic we had not one cross in
our house.
We had nothing that said, hi,we believe in Jesus.
It wasn't anything done onpurpose, it was just we moved in
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our house, we started having.
I started having babies, oneafter another, and, busy with
life, I never really decoratedmy house, we were in survival
mode, more so, and so that'swhen I was like, okay, we need
to get some Christian stuff inour house.
I went to Savers and I boughtall sorts of crosses and I put
across in Every single room andthen I put pictures.
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I put a plaque as St Jude andIn Tyler's room because St Jude
is supposed to be for in time inneed or you needing help and my
son, ty Ty, he was and he stillis.
He's a little smaller, he's.
He's not at tall.
He's not tall by any means.
He's always been a little guy,very, very short, very just.
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He's like a perfect littlewrestler.
He's a short little guy and hisDresser was super tall and he
could never reach the top twoand drawers.
He always had a little like astep stool to get to him and I
remember I put the picture of StJude on his dresser and Then I
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had a candle that had beenblessed by the church and I had
it in his room.
So that was set in his room and, like I said, every other room
in the house I had him set up myoldest son's room was
downstairs, the very downdownstairs, because I have like
a split level house.
He was in California at awrestling camp, but I still put
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Some type of candle down in hisroom and I put it across in his
room.
Well, I called my husband and Itold my husband what was going
on, what I found the plat mapsand that he's like Well, what do
we need to do?
I said we need to bringsomebody over here to bless this
house and bless it immediately,and then we need to bring a
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medium in or figure somethingout.
And At this time Mike is stilldealing with his depression.
So I'm fighting the battle oftrying to get my husband out of
depression.
He was going through stuff withthe work thing, taking his job.
He was dealing with stuff withhis family they're Not the best
supportive family.
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Then I had dealing with my sonof whether these ghosts or these
entities or whoever he's seeingor want to make him a ghost,
and His room was on the thirdlevel.
His room is, and all I canthink is him jumping out the
window, or so I didn't know.
Just that's what I keptthinking, because he was
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obsessed with Superman too.
So I hope, I was hoping okay,and I think he's Superman and he
could fly again.
My mind is just going you justdon't know.
You just don't know what'sgonna happen.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, that's got to be horrifying, because and I
mean, is he understanding any ofthis yet?
Or is this just Maybe kind offun to him, or just some friends
?
He doesn't quite get it.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
He doesn't know and I didn't want to cycle it either.
Yeah but you have to embrace it.
Yeah, I just let him come to meon it.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Well, and you didn't want to scare him either.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
No, yeah, no, I did, I did not.
So I started, like I said, Istarted doing some research to
bring mediums in.
They wanted anywhere at thecheap range was 500, all the way
up to a couple thousand, and wejust couldn't afford it at the
time.
We just can't afford that.
Um, so my, my husband's I callmy, my school, my church, and he
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went to Methodist Church.
So I call them, I tell themwhat's going on and they're like
well, we won't come to yourhouse, but you could come over
here and we'll pray for you,mike.
Okay, that does me no good, Ineed you at my house.
They wouldn't do that.
So then I call my husband, tellhim that well then, that made
him even more angry that hischurch that he had gone to since
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he was a baby in baptized,wouldn't even come to help.
So I'm Catholic, but I had notbeen.
I hadn't been a good Catholicand been practicing.
Let's just say that.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
It's hard to be a good Catholic.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, and then I had him got the kids baptized.
I just we hadn't done, we'rejust living life and surviving
at that mode.
So I told Mike, I was like I'mcalling the Catholic Church and
so I called the one in in Carneyand I remember the secretary.
She's like, well, what do youwant to talk to the priest about
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?
And it's like, okay, what do Itell her?
If I tell her the truth, shecould actually think I'm nuts.
What do I have to lose at thispoint?
So I told the, the secretary islike well, I'd like to talk to
the priest because I think myhouse is haunted.
I think my there's ghost in myhouse that are trying to kill my
son.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I remember saying that yeah, it's a weird sentence
to get out.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, and the lady's like oh.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, no big deal.
Let me put you through to thatdepartment.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah.
So the priest and father Al, hewas wonderful, he was like a
gift of God.
And I tell him Everything thatwas going on.
I told him, like my husband'sdepression.
I told him what Tyler's seeing.
I tell him how I've been a badCatholic.
You know the whole.
Yeah, I was such a bad Catholic.
I even got married in Vegas.
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You know I didn't do it right.
You know everything I was like,but I promised to do better.
Now Can you please come clearmy house, um?
And he said I'll be theretonight at 7 pm and I'm like oh,
yeah, oh.
You know the other place wheremy husband been, whose whole
life, won't even give us thetime of day.
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Well, this guy's never met usand he's gonna kind of our house
at 7 pm.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Okay, had to be a huge relief just to hear that.
Just to do, you know yes like,okay, now we got somebody else
that's not only believing me,but yeah, possibly help us.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Absolutely so.
My mom is like the holier thannow.
I always kind of put my mom inthat pedestal.
So I tell my mom about it andmy mom's like I'll come over as
well.
And she had holy water that hadbeen blessed from Jerusalem.
So she came over to.
She was sitting.
Like I said, we have a splitlevel, multiple level house.
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She was sitting in the kitchen,which was upstairs.
Father Al comes to the door andI remember when he came to
Doria at the smile on his facebut he kept looking around and
it was kind of weird the way hewas looking around.
He wasn't even in our house yetbut we let him in and he went
into our living room.
(30:10):
My mom remained upstairs.
She can't walk real good, soshe just stayed upstairs.
Mike and I were downstairs withFather Al and he was.
We kind of just told him thestory by his depression, what
Tyler's been seeing, we didn'tknow what was going on.
Well, he showed us that he hadbrought some Holy water to that
(30:34):
had been blessed and kind offind out it had been blessed
where my mom's water was too.
Wow in Jerusalem, yes, oh it waslike that's kind of cool, yeah,
well, then my mom says Julie,come here.
And I'm like mom, not now.
Hello, father Al's here Tryingto get my house cleared.
And she's like Julie now, whichis not like my mom at all.
(30:57):
So I'm like okay, excuse me,mike stayed downstairs in living
room with father Al.
I go upstairs to my mom likemom, what, what the fuck?
And she's like Did you not hearthat?
I'm like no, and she saidsomething's going on in Tyler's
room.
So my mom walks with me, we goto Tyler's room and, if you
(31:18):
remember me saying, his dresseris tall, this kid is short, he
hasn't been on a grue, he justhit the gross scale and he's 14,
if that tells you anything.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Okay, yeah, and I mean just to back up are the
kids home?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
at Jordan is in California.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So Tyler's on.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Tyler was not home at that.
At the first meeting we had himgo over to a friend's house to
while father Al came over andour daughter was at a friend's
house too.
Again, she was like two yearsold, so she's really clueless to
all that we hear something in.
So I walked towards Tyler'sroom, which is very long hallway
(32:02):
, and the picture as st Jude hadbeen knocked down and the
candle I had lit on the dresserWas in the hallway.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Oh geez.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
And that all happened when father Al came in our
house.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So something I always I mean once again just watching
stories, it's it's likewhatever entity or spiritual
thing is going on, when you knowyou bring a priest over, when
you start stepping it up, italmost seems like they start
stepping it up.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Absolutely, and I think, yes, I think that's
that's so fascinating.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
It's like that there's a pattern to it.
I mean, yes, there's always apattern to these stories and I
don't think we've We'vecompletely figured it out.
I don't think we know muchabout it at all, but there's.
There always seems to be thatelement of like okay, you want
war, I got war for you.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Uh-huh, yes, and they were ready to take it all on
wow.
Yes, so you know, I cleaned upthe candle.
There's wax, there's a waxtrail.
Um, all the way from one end ofhis room until the hallway, the
st Jude picture knocked down.
I put that back up.
My mom stayed in the room and Ithink she was doing some
(33:28):
prayers.
She had her rosary with her.
Um, I went back down there withfather Al and my husband and I
didn't say anything to father Alabout it, I just kind of
listened and he, we just kind ofgave him our, our life story.
Um, then he went around eachroom and he blessed each room
(33:52):
and then he did a prayer foreach of us but one, and then
invited us to start coming tochurch.
Um, again, my husband wasMethodist but he was very upset
that the Methodist churchwouldn't help us and our time in
needs and Mike's like you knowwhat, forget it, I'm gonna, uh,
I'm gonna join the Catholicchurch.
(34:12):
They were there, they helped us.
So that's what he ended up.
We ended up starting goingregularly to church there.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, well, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Absolutely Well.
After Father Al left, we reallydidn't feel anything.
It was just, you know, okay, itwas just like a regular visit.
We didn't think nothing of it.
That night Tyler came into ourroom again and he said that
(34:49):
Jimmy and Charlie kept talkingreally loudly and wouldn't let
him sleep.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Oh, geez.
Yes, that's horrifying.
I mean, through all of this,does this just make the hairs on
your neck stand up?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
As you just don't know where to turn.
You know, it's not like wecould go sell our house.
We weren't financially set likethat, like okay, you know we're
going to give up, you know, a$350,000 house?
No, we got to fix something here, Mike had gone to work a couple
days later and again he's gotthis depressed, angry.
(35:26):
Look on his face.
You see him.
You don't want to approach him,type.
You can just feel that.
And this the guy that was oneguy that approached him at work
sells houses on the side andthat's how we ended up buying
our house.
And Travis goes up to Mike andis like Matt, mike, you know
what the fuck's wrong with you?
Why are you so angry?
He was messing with him when hesaid it.
(35:46):
And Mike's like dude, not now.
And Travis is like dude,seriously, what's going on?
And Mike's like I haven't sleptmuch, I'm dealing with a lot.
He sold us a fucking hauntedhouse, so get the fuck away from
me.
So Mike told him and he's likewhat do you mean?
And Mike starts telling himabout what we're dealing with
(36:08):
that house.
He's like hey, I've got somepeople that will come and we'll
do it for free, because they dothis.
They have real jobs.
One's an engineer, two of themare teachers, husband and wife,
and they do this on the side.
They're not wanting to makemoney, they're just interested.
And Mike's like give Julie theinformation.
So Travis ends up messaging mewith them with their contact
(36:33):
info.
So I end up messaging them andI talked to them.
We kept conversing back andforth, text messaging, and then
Facebook, instagram messaging.
They finally agreed to kind oftake our case on and we had a
date to where we were going todo like a phone interview.
(36:55):
And it was like a week beforethey could do this phone
interview.
I remember that Well.
At that time I kept doingresearch on our house.
I got the first people in the1700s from Thomas Jefferson who
signed a land grant to the firstowners of our house.
(37:15):
I mean I have every informationof faucet.
I can tell you everything thathappened on our house and our
land where our house is good.
I'm learning more and moreabout Jimmy, the Johnson family.
It was one of the only murdersthat occurred in Carney, which
(37:36):
was actually called centervilleat the time.
I'm learning how bad of angerthis man had.
Tyler was not wrong.
I'm learning how Jimmy andCharlie died.
I mean, I'm learning all sortsof stuff and it's just like
hitting me, it was of anoverload.
Every day I was learning moreand more stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
And are you talking to I mean, besides obviously,
the priest and this team ofghost hunters?
Are you talking to anyone elseabout this really?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
No, my mom, I did talk to my mom because they're
going to look at me like I'mjust fucking nuts.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Well, understandably right.
I mean because you might havedone the same thing like before
all of this happened.
Yeah, that's the kind of crazypart about this.
So you just keep finding outmore and more and it's
corroborating everything yourson is telling you and there's
(38:43):
no way on earth that he couldknow this stuff.
Yeah, that's what alwayscatches me.
It's like when you put the kidsin it like that you couldn't
tell them the story to retell it, you couldn't feed them that
lie.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
No, wow, we live in small town, kearney, missouri.
One of the original founderslast name is Greenfield, and the
Greenfields were connected toour land.
There's a Greenfield bighousing addition even, but they
(39:23):
had their original house waswhere our house stood and it was
cattle.
They were raising cattle andthey would sell cattle down to
the stockyards in Kansas Citystockyards.
So again, I'm learning more andmore.
And this was like the late 1800sto early 1900s.
(39:44):
Well, I learned.
I mean, again, I went all theway from seventh and jumping, so
please forgive me, I went fromthe 1700s I had to 1900s to
where we are now.
I mean it was over.
It was very much an overload.
I did find it fascinating andI'm still fascinated today.
(40:05):
I still try to find stuff.
The original owner of our housewas married, was a fur trader
and was married to an Indianlady, a Sue Indian, and I found
where he was buried.
I found where their kids wouldbury, but I never found her,
which I always found that odd.
She ended up staying on theland and, I believe, dying on
(40:30):
the land, but we never.
You just Indian culture,tradition.
They may have buried her in adifferent way compared to the
kids or her husband.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, yeah, just cultural differences.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Now the second owner of ourland was another had married
another Indian lady, which Ifelt it was weird.
There was so much Indianconnection there too.
When her husband died shestayed on the land and the new
(41:06):
owners allowed her to live withthem Again.
They were and this is like1830s to 1840s.
Women, let alone Indian womenwidows weren't allowed to own
land or anything.
So it ended the land ended upgoing to being sold, but they
allowed her to stay there Likeas a house servant is how she
(41:29):
ended up staying on the land.
She did not want to leave itbecause I read different stories
and books in the Clay Countyregister.
She was in the genealogydepartment that had really cool,
interesting stories that shehad written like journals
entries.
So I was able to get differentfaucets of people's life and I
(41:50):
learned a lot about our town.
I will say that I didn'trealize Carney was actually
called Centerville back then.
It had been renamed after theCivil War.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
After she passed, I don't know, the second Indian
lady passed, don't know whereshe ended up buried either.
So these two women, they're MIA, they're totally MIA.
The new owners of the landended up buying more cattle and
(42:26):
they were buying land and justkept growing.
And these were the green fields, this was the green field
family, and they ended up buyingthe opening up the first bank
in Carney.
I mean, they were just, theywere buyers, they were trying to
make money and I mean they werevery successful at it as well.
Well, they had the.
Ruth Greenfield was the originallady that lived on our land and
(42:52):
it was a, you know, oldfarmstead type house, plantation
house at the time.
And I started doing someresearch on her and through
ancestry and I ended up findingher nephew.
He and I contacted him and kindof told him a little bit what
was going on in our house.
(43:12):
Well, he ends up sending me allsorts of pictures of her and
what our house looked like.
Well, it's not our house by anymeans.
It's just where our house stood, the land back.
Then he sends me pictures ofthe cattle and how it all
entered play.
There was a horse track by ourhouse.
We had no idea.
I mean just again, I'm learningmore and more stuff and it's
(43:37):
history, so it's intrigues me aswell.
Well, I remember I printed out apicture of Ruth Greenfield and
I put it on our kitchen island.
Then I had a picture of mygrandmother, my great
grandmother, and then just anold lady that I printed off the
(43:57):
internet and I left it on thekitchen island and I was cooking
dinner and Tai Tai comes in andhe's full of energy and he runs
in the kitchen real fast and wehave hardwood floor, so he slid
through and he crawls up onthat kitchen island.
He looks at the pictures and helooks at me.
He said, mommy, why do you havethe picture of the old lady?
(44:17):
And I said what are you talkingabout?
He goes, this old lady, and hepicks up the picture of Ruth
Greenfield, greensfield, and Iwas like what do you?
And this lady had Very thinlips, very curly, curly, curly
hair and she had like a blackdress and it had like a doily on
(44:41):
top, like a lace that makes, ifyou can kind of visualize that.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
And he shows me the picture and she's like standing
in the field and you could seethe cows and everything behind
her.
And I was like, do you know her, tai, tai?
He's like, yeah, she comes andspies on Charlie and Jimmy night
, every night, every time weplay.
And I was like like.
I was like is she mean to you?
(45:10):
And he goes no, she's justannoying.
And I was like, why do you sayshe's annoying?
Because because every time westart playing she starts yelling
at them.
Is what he tells me.
And I was like, well, and youknow, again, he's six.
And I was like, well, maybeshe's just playing with them,
(45:31):
tyler, he goes.
No, she does not like them.
And I said, well, how about theother people?
He's like I don't know who theyare.
He goes, all I know is thisannoying lady and then he runs
off.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Ok so did you.
Did you set those up to try toget him to notice?
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
OK, and it, and it worked.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, how would he yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:58):
exactly.
So he's seeing these, yes, he'sseeing this as well as hearing
it.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
And so now, now we've got Jimmy and Charlie, and now
we have a little lady in myhouse.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
And were they unrelated?
Speaker 2 (46:17):
She didn't know.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Jimmy and Charlie were brothers.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Right, yes, but.
And so we got Jimmy and Charliethere, and now we have the
Greenfield, greenfield.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Not related to Jimmy and Charlie.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
No, no, jimmy and Charlie were there on the land
first.
This Greenfield came after.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Sure, yeah, that's strange.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yes, it was.
Yeah, I had to have a couple ofdrinks that night.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Let's say that's like a ghost party.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Pretty much at my expense.
I'm hosting it too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm trying to figure out.
You know what is going on, whatdo I do?
You know where do we go fromhere?
So I really was just trying tofind out as much about Ruth
Greenfield as I can, and she wasa very prominent lady in Carney
(47:13):
.
Their family is, like I said,there's a housing division
that's named after in the bankthey started the first bank here
in Carney.
I mean, it was so many avenuesof this, of like this was taking
us.
Well then, the nephew of RuthGreenfield since me, it was a
(47:36):
receipt from the stockyard ofsale of, you know, the cows from
the Kansas City Stockyards.
So I'm and again my husband andI were communicating and I'm
telling him everything I'mfinding.
Well, then he starts telling mekind of, find out, his uncle
was a big trader in thestockyards and ended up knowing
(48:00):
what did business with theGreenfields.
So now we're in a wholedifferent avenue here.
I mean, like I said, this justkept evolving, like how is this
even possible?
I cannot remember my husband's.
I think they called him Okibecause he was originally from
Oklahoma, that was.
This is your husband's uncle.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Great, great uncle.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Great, great uncle.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Great, great uncle Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
That had moved from Oklahoma to here to the Liberty,
yeah, and was doing stockyards.
That's why he was making.
His money was through thestockyards and he couldn't read
or write or anything or anything.
So he started.
(48:50):
So then we're taking again,we're all going on a whole
different direction here.
How is the Greenfields are nowmy husband's family is somehow
connected to them.
So then we start doing researchon my husband's family and sure
enough, they did do stockyardtrading with the Greenfields and
(49:13):
more than likely he wasprobably incarnate and could
have come to our land.
It was.
It was just weird.
Like I said, this justaccomplished so much.
So the following week, Iremember, I had the interview
with the psychic mediums and Ihad it at work.
I went into our conference roomand I started.
(49:37):
I did not tell them everything,I only talked to them.
I only gave them cliff notes.
I did not give them details ofeverything I had found because I
really wasn't believing theywere legit.
I just didn't believe.
It's hard when you're goingthrough it because you don't
(49:57):
believe you're going through iteither, but you know you're
going through it.
Yeah, it's a weird feeling.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
And you're almost so.
You're a little skeptical ofthem.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah, Absolutely Did that.
Did that?
I mean you can tell the story,but did that eventually change?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
So we had it set for the ghosthunters to come like the
following weekend.
And I remember Mike, I madesure the kids were gone.
They went to grandma's and thenMike was.
They were coming on a Saturdaynight, they did not need us in
(50:37):
the house, so I was going outwith some of my wrestling moms
birthday party.
My husband had to work onSunday morning but they said
that's fine, he can stay in thebedroom, we'll take care of
everything else as long as youlet us in, like okay.
So we had everything set.
(50:57):
They decided to come come, Ithink a little earlier than
expected, which worked out.
They came in the house and theykind of I remember when they
came over the house there'sthree of them, it was a husband
and wife and then their friendwho was the engineer.
The husband wife were teachersin a nearby city.
(51:17):
They seem very nice people andthey actually did not want me to
tell them everything.
So when they came to our house,I remember they came, the door
opened and I'll never forget thelook on their face was the same
look that father Al gave us.
They looked around like holyshit.
(51:38):
It was one of those looks and Iremember the engineer guy
looked at the what the the ladyand he's like, do you feel it?
And she's like yeah.
And he's like, do you see it?
And she's like absolutely.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
And Mike and I are creepy.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
What the fuck.
Yeah, that's nothing, we seenothing, and this is daylight,
this is like five or six o'clockin the afternoon.
So we do a tour around ourwhole entire house.
We have a four bedroom house.
We have a fairly good sizebackyard.
We took them the backyard, Imean, we showed them everything.
And they're the man, thehusband, teacher, he was more
(52:20):
the investigator and takingnotes.
The wife and the engineer werethe, the mediums and feeding off
each other, and they're everyroom would go into.
Oh, did you see that?
Oh, did you feel that?
Oh, my gosh, yes, I feel that.
Oh my God, my arms, you know,here are my arms.
I mean, they're just every roomwe went into.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
It's lighting up?
Yeah, they're just lighting up.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
So they're spiritually sensitive, a mediums
spiritually sensitive, andthat's maybe a lot like your son
was.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Absolutely or is when they came in time to go in our
bedroom.
They didn't want to go in ourbedroom and Mike and I are like
I'm like this is you know wherewe sleep, and like oh yeah,
we're good, we don't need to goin there.
And you could tell like scaredthey did not want to go in there
at all.
So what they ended up doing wasthey set all their equipment,
(53:19):
they had multiple screens andthey had the, you know those
lights, the, not like the clapon lights, but the sensor to
where you walk by.
Then the light would turn on.
So they had those set up in thegarage, my son's room,
downstairs Tyler's room, ofcourse, my daughter's room and
(53:40):
the hallway and the kitchen.
And I was going out.
My husband went out for dinnerand then when he got home, he
went into the bedroom and justclosed the door and by this time
it was like I don't know aboutnine o'clock because he might
get up super early.
Four, four, 30 ish.
I was gone.
(54:01):
They were doing their stuff.
I text them on my way home,which was around midnight.
So now I'm on my way home, isit okay?
And they're like, yeah, come onhome.
So when I got there they hadall their screens going and they
told me how they pretty wellthink they know what's going on.
Would I mind watching thescreens while they go down into
(54:24):
the garage?
I'm like, okay, sure, so I'mwatching the screens and they
told me to text them if I sawany lights flickering or
anything abnormal on the screen.
They go down to the garage andby this time it's probably about
one o'clock in the morning.
When they go down to the garage, I'm watching the screens, I
(54:51):
look up and I see a lightflickering in my hallway
upstairs.
So I text them.
They answer back Okay, thankyou.
Keep us updated if it happensagain.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Okay, these regular cameras, or they like that.
I see they have infraredsometimes.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
These are like sense yeah, it's infrared, but these
also are like just they remindme of stuff you find like at the
Dollar Tree or Dollar Store ortwo, or just like a little light
sensor.
Go, you walk by, the light goeson.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Okay, okay, oh, I understand the like motion
detectors.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
I can think of the word yes, Okay so you, they set
up motion detectors and then youhave a screen.
What?
What's on the screen?
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Each bedroom, the hallway, the hallway.
The only thing that was not onthere was the was the garage,
and they were there.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Brouch.
So I'm I mean, I text himprobably six, seven times hey,
hallway light going on.
They told me they wouldprobably be down in the base in
the garage for at least a couplehours.
They were up within 30 minutes.
So they come up and I'm like Imade a joke, because to me I'm
(56:05):
still not buying into everythingand I just made a joke.
I'm like, oh, did you find theghost?
And they're like they look ateach other like, oh shit, do we
say anything?
And they're like, yeah, do youwant us to tell you now?
(56:28):
And I'm like, yeah, tell mewhat's going on.
And they tell me.
And they're looking at eachother.
They're just constantly likescared to talk.
They don't want to tell meanything.
And they're like, well, let usput our stuff away.
So by this time it's probablyclose to two-ish.
They finished packing theirstuff and I'm still sitting
(56:52):
there like, okay, why can't theyjust talk to me and tell me
what's going on?
Speaker 1 (56:57):
They're about to tell you just how weird this is.
Yes, that's, that's kind ofwhat I'm guessing.
What comes next?
Yes is going to be like we wantto leave right after we tell
you this.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yes, absolutely.
So they tell, they tell me howthey need to talk to me, but
they need to talk to me in themiddle of the street, outside,
not on the property.
So I'm like, okay, so they'relike, and I remember I like I
(57:32):
said I'd been out, I had myMcDonald's.
I still eat my McDonald's.
I will never forget I havedouble cheeseburger and french
fries.
So I left my food, went intothe.
We, all three of all, four ofus, then three and then myself.
We walk into the middle of thestreet and by this time it's 2,
30 in the morning, 237.
I actually remember that Leavein the leave in the living room,
(57:54):
going in the middle of thestreet, and it's dark, by all
means 2, 30 in the morning, andI'm like we cannot tell you in
the house what's going on.
And I'm like, okay, and they'relike there's multiple facets
going on in your house.
You have multiple entities.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
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episode.
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The next one will be releasednext week, so make sure that you
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