February 2, 2024 • 62 mins
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When sex and wealth collide with family secrets, the outcome is often a tale too twisted for fiction—yet here we stand, at the precipice of such a story. Our guest, a man whose identity is shrouded in as much mystery as his narrative, leads us through a labyrinthine journey that begins with a simple swipe on a dating app and descends into an underworld of addiction, shadowy government contractors, and questionable business dealings. Prepare to be riveted by his account, which not only pulls back the curtain on a world few of us dare to imagine but also exposes the raw human emotions at the heart of every clandestine encounter.
Through our guest's experiences—from becoming an unwitting accomplice in drug dealing to uncovering the suspicious activities of a powerful real estate empire—we navigate the puzzling motives behind an aerospace company owner's airstrip acquisition, the lengths to which addiction will drive an individual, and the strange duality of a life split between professional success and personal downfall. This episode serves as a stark reminder that the demonic can wear a disarmingly normal face, lurking just beneath the surface of everyday interactions.
The twists continue as we explore the enigmatic world of surveillance, where trust funds act as both a passport to luxury and a catalyst for chaos. West Palm Beach's glitzy exterior masks a relationship fraught with secrecy and volatility, while mysterious text messages and silent watchers add layers of paranoia to an already tumultuous life. From a birthday marred by the unexpected to a harrowing journey of seeking redemption, our guest's tale is as much a chase for stability as it is an intimate dance with the darkest and brightest moments life has to offer. Join us for an episode that promises to keep you engrossed from start to finish, as we track a path of betrayal, loyalty, and the relentless quest for a semblance of peace.
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We have our guest here who'sbeen so gracious to come on and
tell his very kind of fucking,strange and fucked up story.
For us it's a weird one.
We like it, but he's anonymousso nobody will know that it's
his weird story.
Could be anyone's weird story.
We got Pamela back therefussing around.
(01:32):
I don't know what she does.
Back there Runs the audio boardand the video board, but she's
been sworn to secrecy too, soshe's not gonna reveal you, but
thank you for coming on, you'rewelcome.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
She's probably back there doing all the work.
Yeah, we just sit up here andbullshit.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
She has to sit back there and work.
We're just taking around.
She's good for it, though.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
She likes it.
I think, do you like it?
She likes it.
Okay, that's good, it's gottabe pretty interesting, yeah,
listening to us all day.
Well, you guys are interesting.
I'm not, I'm just the guy, theguy that brings the interesting
people.
That's a key element.
Yeah, so the story you had waskind of fucked up and I guess we
(02:25):
don't have to preface it toomuch, we can just kind of go
with it.
But you were fucking aroundwith some pretty powerful weird
government defense contract orpeople and it seemed like kind
of a just interesting, likesurprising interesting, and it
might give a little insight intothat world, but an inside look
(02:48):
at it.
So, from what I remember, wetalked about it briefly, but you
met.
So you met a woman on a datingapp and this was what 10 years
ago or eight years ago orsomething.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
About nine now yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Nine years ago.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Give or take.
It was 33 at the time and sheactually I didn't meet her.
She kind of stalked me out onthis dating side.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
She stalked you.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, I kicked her there.
Okay, I kept refusing her and Ididn't really I wasn't
interested.
I had a couple of.
I wasn't in a committedrelationship but I had a couple
relationship type friendships,so to say and she really wasn't
on the radar until she messagedme randomly One night.
(03:45):
I just happened to be alone andI kind of took her up on her
offer of coming over to hang out.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
originally, she gave you a U-up yeah At random what
you doing.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
What are you doing?
I was like not much.
She's kind of laying aroundhanging out.
She's like do you want to comeover and come see me?
I was like, well, I'd only comeover for one reason, and one
reason only and she signed up,so I didn't know what to expect
really.
I ended up going over there andshe was older, right.
(04:21):
Yeah, that's one of the reasonswhy I wasn't too interested.
It was kind of it's not that itdidn't appeal to me, but I was
like, oh well, what would thisturn into?
And she was at the time I was33, she was 45, so it was a nice
(04:43):
little difference.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
That's a decent gap, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I didn't really know what to expect.
I never saw her in person.
I met her on Tinder, so it'sall just photos.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You don't really truly know what this person's
about, or anything like thatKind of strictly a.
Okay, we're going to, I'm goingto come over.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
See what this shit's about.
Yeah, so you get over there.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, I go, I end up showing up to her house.
It's.
I say it's probably about 1130,12 o'clock and right as soon as
walking in the door it starts,we start.
She was all over me At the time.
I was in pretty decent shape,going to the gym on a regular
(05:31):
yeah, so I was kind of just likeyou went with it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah Of course Igot to.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
It's like Stiffler's mom was jumping on.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's exactly.
It turned out to be a lotbetter than I expected it was
not.
I wasn't disappointed.
It was, it was a, it was a goodnight.
We ended up going for a fewhours and it was like, okay,
well, thanks, I'm going to leave.
And lo and behold I.
(06:07):
I ended up going to put myshoes on and there's $300 in my
shoes that she put there.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh shit, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Like I didn't even know.
I wasn't really like a spoke ofthing or anything like that.
She just kind of dropped moneyon me and I'm like I they had to
feel a little fucked up.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It hurt my heart.
It hurt my heart at first.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And then I high fived myself.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I became a high fived myself.
I liked that because you'relike well, I guess it was pretty
awesome.
300 bucks, that's fucked upLooking back.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
it's demoralizing, but at the time a 33 year old
guy, I've been pretty decentshape.
I'm like okay, maybe the funnymemory.
Maybe I could turn this into aprofession.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So then she would hit you up more, yeah, kind of a
kind of offer money again.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh yeah, it was always unspoken.
It was like a thing she wouldliterally just pay me and I
would.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
So she's just like you come over and then she just
kind of casually slips you somemoney and then and that went on
for a little bit- yeah, kind ofevolved into a couple of times a
week, probably three, fourtimes a week.
But as the increase, you haveto report that to the IRS.
At that point, jeez.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I don't know.
I don't know.
The payment stops the more timewe ended up spending together.
I would stay over later andlater and things would grew to
be a little bit more intimate,obviously because you know more
of a relationship maybe youcan't have that kind of transfer
(08:01):
with someone and it not evolve.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, and she was pretty, she was pretty demanding
and like it took a lot out ofme, so I would, we would, I
would relax afterwards After thelaw court.
You know what?
I'm just going to hang out andthen she's demanding.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And I'm just like, just like Old kinky lady
demanding very much so yeah,okay there was.
She had some weird kinks andsome weird yeah she things.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, I Couldn't really not gonna say that it
wasn't enough, but you just keptwanting more.
Okay, it was, it wasn't that itwasn't satisfying, because they
will.
It more than Multiple times was.
Yeah, and she just was.
(08:55):
I really think she was just anold info going through it at
that age Like some peak she washitting or something like that
just couldn't get enough.
Yeah, like she happened to have.
She had kids prior that were alittle younger.
They're probably in a nine tenrange.
They're not around.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
With their dad, or, yeah, they were with their dad,
so she's divorced.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, just recently divorced.
Okay and I guess I was thefling at the time you were the
rebound.
Yeah, and she was trying to gether fill.
So it it benefited me because Iwas working two jobs at the
time and I had a side income,but it was it's a little taxing,
how silly, geez.
(09:40):
Yeah it it.
It was fulfilling for the pointof Of like I was.
It really stroked my ego.
It made me feel like I wasdoing something.
No, and it was well, it wasabout nothing, it was in the end
, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
But at the time you're like, look, fuck, yeah,
he's the man.
Yeah, like a jiggler.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I would tell my buddies about it and they
wouldn't believe me, so I wouldjust kind of be like all right.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So how did she?
How did I mean?
That's a lot of money.
How did she have that money?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
At first I didn't really know she was it.
She was a teacher.
She was out of work at a time,but she had said that she sold
her house and in the divorce andyou got the money from the
house or whatnot.
So because we would starttalking and discussing things
about her family and Come tofind out she has, like, an older
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brother that lives Oakley andshe ended up moving into one of
his properties, so she doesn'treally have to pay anything.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
He owned the properties, so she was living
for free on big bro.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, and you know she's just trying to Find work
and reestablish her life in NewYork because she came from
another state and so as we keepbeing getting more and more
involved, it ends up turninginto an actual relationship like
I would go over there to hangout with her and spend some time
(11:11):
with her or whatnot.
And At that point it wasprobably about Almost a month
and a half, in two months in wekind of I kind of I shut her
down on the payment for themoney.
I'm like you don't really haveto give me money anymore, like
you don't have to pay me forhaving sex with you at this
point, like you know like I'mtired, I can't do it anymore.
(11:33):
Like you're expecting too much,yeah, yeah.
I can't sign off on that invoice, um, but throughout um that I
kind of like Are you know,pillow talk, she would tell me
about her brother and uh what,what he was going through or
whatnot, and he would, she wouldlead into things because uh he
(11:57):
was struggling, he had some somereal life issues going on.
To where uh he he not that heneeded help, but he needed
someone to be able to uh Takecare of things because he owned
all those properties.
He wasn't always around and uhSheik wasn't doing it.
He was.
She was supposed to be hisassistant, like paid assistant,
(12:21):
but she was just I guess she hadsome entitlement things where
she's like I don't have to doanything and I'm your sister, I
could just live here um, andyou're thinking this dude's
pretty loaded.
Then yeah, because I didn't.
I didn't understand, like, ifshe's not doing nothing, he owns
all these properties.
What's really going on?
You know what I mean?
I could I'm One night, um I'mover there and he happened to be
(12:44):
in town and, uh, he owned, heowned the house across the
street too, um, so I saw histruck and it was just a regular
work truck and it had it had theuh, his company logo on it and
it kind of threw me for a loop alittle bit because, um, it's
pretty significant company, it'swell known, oh, in in certain
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fields and, uh, I looked it up,the um the logo's fucked up,
like you told me the name we'renot gonna say it here but yeah,
yeah, that's, that's the logoman.
So it kind of uh, I gotta Give alittle feedback because she met
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me on tinder but she also weended up being friends on
facebook or whatnot, and oh yeah, I'm into like some uh, well, I
call it conspiracy theories orsecret knowledge or like occult
beliefs.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, that logo is like a, like a bullseye for
conspiracy and the name and thename.
But I'm like I looked it up andI was like you gotta be fucking
kidding me.
Just like that in plain sight.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That's fucked up and I didn't want to really believe
that it was that obvious.
I'm like it's just gotta be aploy it can't be just throw it
out there.
Yeah, it can't be just that inyour face.
And uh, I've come to find out.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Like if a bad guy was trying to like, if they they
had a bad guy in a movie andthey gave him a fake company
name to sound evil and look evil, it would be that like, yeah,
like that's some crazy shit.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, yeah, it kind of, uh, it threw me.
It threw me for a loop.
Like I didn't know what to dowith that information at the at
the time I kind of just storedit away in In front of Rolodex.
It was like, okay, I'm gonnahave to kind of see what this is
about.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, so what did?
When did you end up finding?
So you end up doing some workfor him.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, so he, she had devolved some information to me
that night when his truck wasthere this is, uh, probably
about three months into ourrelationship cry, at a three
month mark and uh, she devolvedsome information that her
brother has some addictionissues or whatnot, and uh, that
(15:14):
he was kind of going through itwith a drug dealer what, what
have you, they were taking themfor a lot of money because, uh,
you know, they, I guess they sawa mark and they saw that he had
money, had company, and uh, shejust told me that, like she
would need, she would need me togo with, go with her and him
(15:38):
somewhere to like just standthere.
Essentially, so it's likethere's another player and he
needed some backup.
Yeah, not even backup, but justto let it be known that there's
another player in the game andthat there's like that dude's
not going to be an optionanymore.
Okay, it's.
Uh, it's just like your.
Just like your, your, yourprivileges are being revoked.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, essentially.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, because, uh, I didn't find this out till after
his um, his addiction isactually pretty, how would you
say?
Heavy, not heavy, but it'sspecific, like he.
(16:22):
Okay, yeah, well, it's cocaine,but it has to be delivered, it
has to be ready there waiting,and he doesn't want to have to
give you the money once,everything to already be Paid
for, set, done, paid for lessstreamlined that's what
streamlined, his addiction isstreamlined.
So because he travels a lot, hewasn't around often.
(16:45):
He would only get little bitsof time to come, get high and
then go back to his employmentor Company.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
essentially, like a little ritual.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
He did almost, yeah, and it could have been, given
the information from the company, could have definitely been a
ritual.
It would have been a darkritual that it has.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Ties with.
Didn't think about that, yeahno fucked up, shit man.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
So you're, you're helping him do obtain this or?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
It didn't start there .
We ended up kind of cuttingthat dude out and I just
naturally stepped into thatposition.
I had a couple of contacts thatI knew on my own accord and you
know I saw opportunity in frontof myself.
So if you know what have you?
I'm okay, there's money to bemade and there's good money to
(17:39):
be made, yeah, so I'm gonna gofor it, and it ended up working
out for a little bit.
He gave me an actual positionto to fill as well as Taking
care of the properties that werethere while he's gone, and then
I would be with his sister,take care of the properties and
also Essentially be his runner.
(18:00):
Yeah, you know, like to takecare of the little bit, kind of.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
We just were you like an employee, like getting a
paycheck.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I had a stipend, you know, I mean whenever I need
like.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I didn't know if you're like payrolled.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
No, I wasn't ever on the books.
No, I don't know how they wouldclassify that, that on the
books, I mean.
There's plenty of ways in thatindustry?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, there's plenty way to do it.
They can definitely do that one.
Yeah, it'd be a researcherPowdered substance researchers.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
So once we kind of started Me and her relationship
started yeah, evolving you knowit was more about servitude of
him To what he wanted and whatwas going on and all of his
properties and the business andall the elements that were
coming into play there, becauseit was in a Local town but it
(19:00):
was with an airstrip and theairstrip was right around the
corner from the houses.
So whenever he would come intotown it would be he Land in the
airfield, come over to the house, run a muck around three or
four houses, get in high makinga mess, not knowing what he's
doing, and just so the guy owned, so his company owned an
(19:22):
airstrip yeah the company heowned owned Like a little
airstrip, and then there washouses right by that.
Yeah, the company you own isactually a Aero space aero space
company that's more into.
It was trying to branch intosolar work, to make solar planes
(19:45):
, and what he did make solarthey were doing defense
contracting too right, yeah yeah, which Some pretty high-powered
Officials on their board.
I've never met the people.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I looked, I looked at the list of people on the board
.
Yeah, it's pretty fucking.
You got generals and shit onthere and yeah, I, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I did not know what I was stepping into at this point
.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, I kind of I Went in headfirst and I just
flew by the seat of my pants,Essentially well, you probably
think if, if you're with hissister, you're kind of I Don't
know in a good position, thatyou're, that you're gonna be
taken care of or not Fucked withtoo much, or it secured my
(20:33):
position because, like you, havean in and you know Probably a
whole lot of fuckery isn't gonnahappen to you necessarily you
know it was a lot of backlashfrom.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah his actions, yeah, and didn't directly happen
to me and his sister like ourrelationship.
But the backlash that happenedfrom within the local community
and the town because the companyit wasn't what it was made out
(21:05):
to be.
Obviously he I don't know ifthe addiction got ahold of him
and he just wasn't able to fillPromises that he made because
the town was mad at him.
He couldn't bring in what hesaid he was bringing in.
Yeah, or it was just a front.
It was literally just a frontto get hands on that airstrip.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I mean, there's a lot of other players that came in
afterwards a lot of people wouldlike an airstrip, especially up
, and that's in the New York ish.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, yeah that that's High, high, high price.
Oh yeah property and realestate beyond, and it's not.
It's not a matter of Money atthat point.
It's a matter of who you knowand how you can get your hands
on that.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, so there's fights for it, people are
fighting over it, and so, andjust to kind of back up, like so
I can visualize your life atthat point Are you living with
the sister?
Yes, so you're living in one ofthe houses near the airstrip
full-time, yeah, and you'reworking taking care of these
(22:11):
houses, yeah, and hooking thisdude up with coke, yes, and I
mean among probably other littlethings.
And then when he would, wouldhe just go by himself?
And you said he free-based,yeah, he does, so he would just
go do this by himself.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I mean he would have, he would.
He would have like call girlscome around, he would have to
know he Take care of whateverkind of finish he had, whatever.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
So he wasn't married.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
He was married and married and Newborn child and
they lived maybe somewhere elsefamily life.
I've never ran into him, but Iknew they were.
If they knew what he was doing,okay, they knew what he was
doing and I Didn't ever get tomeet any of them, and neither
(23:08):
did his sister, like theyweren't on speaking terms.
It wasn't a good relationship.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
With the wife yeah yeah, with his wife or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, they the family , kind of his main family, not
his wife.
His original family thoughtthat his wife was trying to Pull
them, pull him away from themand he was.
He was the breadwinner, yeah,of everything.
Because, besides this company,he actually was a very, very
smart individual who createdsome products for a lighting
(23:43):
industry that he had patents on.
Yeah, he had patents on that hegot paid from for Eternity, who
you hope always be paid.
His family will never have toworry about money.
Wow, yeah, at one point heshowed me something that he
bought, which was a MasonicLodge in another country For
like 300 grand and it was acastle.
(24:06):
Oh, Geez and he got it on adeal.
He's like look at this castle,I got.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Discount Masonic Lodge.
Yeah, was it Mason.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't know, I wouldn'tknow.
I mean, if he was a Freemason,just based off of my knowledge,
I don't think he would have thattype of addiction, or I mean,
addiction doesn't discriminatebut I don't think he would be
accepted, not sure.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I don't really know the coal, no groups like that.
So yeah, I just know that theopposite of mason's, which is
company, you know, I mean it'skind of that's two battling
entities right there.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
If you're playing both sides of the deck.
There my yeah, that kind of is.
So you said and you also said,like he had this like big hanger
.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, like.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Equipment that just they weren't making anything.
They weren't doing anything.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah well, which just didn't seem like part part of
my part of my duties wasWhenever he was in town I would
have to take him back and forthfrom the airstrip.
I would drive him there, pickhim up, we'd stop, get food,
whatever he wanted to do.
Yeah, and they had a heirs theon the airstrip that he had a
personal hangar where thecompany was located.
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But it was.
There was nobody ever at thishanger where the company was,
that there was Absolutelynothing going on.
It was.
It was pretty much just astorehouse for his toys.
He had like old planes in there.
He, I remember he had an oldone of the old Indian book
cruisers that broke the landspeed record.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Oh, that's sweet.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, he had one of those and I, when I went in, all
the CNC machines, all themilling stuff, all of the
designs, everything was justLeft there.
Yeah and I I want.
When I walked in, you feel likea vast emptiness of Absolutely
nothing happens in this place.
But it's set, yeah, it's justset.
So Whoever needs to see this orwhatever it's here.
(26:14):
You know, I Was like yeah, maybe, maybe the company's, maybe the
yeah, maybe the company's goingunder because this dude's
Losing everything because ofwhat's going on in his life, but
it didn't even seem like therewas a company.
Essentially, I mean, obviouslythere is a real company, but
there wasn't employees.
(26:34):
There was nobody in thesehouses.
Yeah, it was just.
I Really believe it was just aploy for that airstrip and it
was kind of a front and thensome fucked up stuff Happened
with that.
Yeah, that airstrip, you said,and like there was a couple
powerful, yeah, investmentgroups and yeah, the, the people
(26:58):
that were power, that weretrying to battle for this
property, were, um, actuallyreally, really big wigs in the
real estate industry, likedevelopers.
Yeah, a mall of America, butit's a it's a it's kind of like
a family thing.
Yeah it's, you know a.
They were a group.
They own some of the hugestmalls in the world and they want
(27:20):
to try to buy up all their airairfield in that general area.
Yeah, so they started havingEither private investigators or
whatnot look for any kind ofdirt on this guy that they can,
because there's a lot of moneyat play.
There's a lot of any bit, anytiny bit of information that can
(27:42):
Make the town or anyone revokethis guy's lease on that
property, so they could have anin they're looking for.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So, everything that's where it got weird with you,
where they start.
Yeah, following you and hissister around.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, at that time I had tails on me anywhere I went.
They were always watching us.
They were Anywhere I went.
I you can feel it.
You can feel that you're beingwatched.
It's that they're not gonnamess with you, but they're gonna
watch and they're gonna seewhat.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
They're just looking and waiting For someone to fuck
up.
Yeah, or they, um, I I meandifferent people, or were they?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
It was a aim there, they would switch up.
But I'd see a lot of familiarfaces.
I would see like certain,certain Trevor, talk to him.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
No, okay, what the fuck you doing?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
No I, they wouldn't get within, like it would keep
their distance safe, safe enough.
So, like once I approached,they peel off and it was almost
taken pictures and shut.
I Don't know if they took anypictures, but I'm sure they did.
I'm sure they had plenty ofevidence on it.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So then, were you, were you kind of is everyone
kind of trying to watch theirfucking peas and queues?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, but it was.
It was really unspoken.
It was because, I'd, mind you,he never told me any of this
information, nor did she this.
All this came out.
I figured all of this out by myown evaluation of what was
going on.
Like what was taking place,like seeing that none of the
houses, nobody's living there,nobody's living in any of these
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properties, nobody has lived inany of these properties, it's
just him and he just uses themfor whatever kind of fuckery.
And then, once I got to go tothe hangar and I saw that like
absolutely no work was beingdone there, there was nothing,
there was no projects, there wasnothing on it, just kind of it
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clicked.
It made more sense because I hadan understanding, because I
looked for the information ofyeah basically was like you know
what I got to figure out what Igot myself into, because it's
too good to be true, like I'mI'm literally supplying drugs
for this guy.
But I'm supplying copiousamounts of drugs, like I'm going
to get 100 grams of cocaineevery four days, damn, back and
(30:06):
forth to a connect that I knewout in the city and Like it was
project, like it's when you'rewhen you're doing that every
couple days.
It's not, it's not safe.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
It's like you have to be onyour toes.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
So I You're looking over your shoulder everywhere
you go, your head's always on aswivel, and your I was.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I started partaking because of the fact that I had
to stay up to do all this.
I had to stay up and I had toliterally Do it.
So, just so I didn't have to, Ichose to because of the fact
that I was Committed, which Idon't know what.
Why I stuck with her.
(30:52):
I guess the sex was great.
Yeah, I was making good money,like every time that, uh, every
time he would Want anything.
I'm pulling out Six, sevenhundred for him, two, three
hundred for me, going to put itin my account and then going to
take care of whatever.
Yeah, it was.
There was plenty of money to goaround and then on top of what
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she'd pay me.
So it was.
It was and a little bit of anadventure, but I Ended up
Getting bugged out.
Once I started having to drivehim back and forth, once I
started having to drop him offand he would just take off, he'd
be up for like four days.
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He would literally be upsmoking crack for four days.
I'd take him to the airstrip.
There'd be a jet waiting forhim.
He would literally just hop in.
I'd sit in park and wait forhim to taxi and take off.
I'm like what is this dude do?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I'm like what?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
What is it that he's kind of here right hiding out
who but is he involved with?
So I, when I started askingmyself these questions, I'm
gonna you look for somethingyou're gonna find an answer that
freaks out along.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, it's gonna be a little like uneasy.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, you didn't sit right with me.
So, on top of me running, notsleeping, getting high To having
to tend to all all of that, Iwanted a break.
I wanted to like Just walk awayfrom it for a little bit or
whatnot.
So I Kind of stepped back from,I Hit the relationship with her
(32:28):
because that was like primary,that with that key element I
ended up stepping away and itwasn't even Probably two, three
days.
I End up right back with herGoing back because he literally
made a trip to come down andthey had no connect.
(32:48):
They had no connect or anythinglike that.
So they pretty much they hadnot that they, they Bought me,
but they bought me.
You know.
I mean they paid for me just soI can go get it, and I Charged
them an arm and leg.
I ended up charging them like1400 bucks just to even Show up
like I'm, yeah, not playingaround.
(33:08):
But I Mean it's what.
It was kind of my risk.
I don't want to keep harping onthat topic it was kind of my
risk.
So after that we ends up stayingup for a few more days.
I drop them off at the hangar.
He ends up hopping in thishelicopter, this time taking off
shoes, yeah, and he's going toanother part of the state to go
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back home and, I guess, be withthe family and try to clean up
or whatnot.
Me and her end up stayingtogether and she's kind of tired
of it too.
She's kind of tired of therunning around.
This should be in crazy.
Having to deal with her brotherhaving like people up her ass
all the time, like she feelslike she can't do anything.
(33:51):
She's just got it.
There's divorce.
Yeah, she's weighing overheadwith the young kid.
That's kind of wild, becausethat's really what it was and
she ends up going back to herparents, which are just further
up in the city.
Okay, and.
And while that happens, I stayat the properties.
I'm gonna just keep staying atthe property that I got a place
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to stay if we're you know what Imean.
And I end up staying at theproperties and I find out that I
Start doing more research whileI'm there.
I'm like what's, what's?
What was this dude really about?
Yeah, and when I find out,that's how I found out about the
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other family that owned all theproperties and they were trying
to go after the airfield.
Because I started readinginformation online about, like,
the troubles with the town,didn't find out that he ended up
having a lease on this airstripand they were trying to get him
out of the lease so they canbuy the property.
And I Think I kind of not Helpedthem get that dirt, but by me
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being there and being a proxywith his sister, they got some
dirt because of the fact that wewere being involved too, so it
was the three of us.
So when they came you know whatI mean it kind of made a
situation a little moreamplified.
So she's staying at this point.
She's staying.
It's been all of, I'm gonna say, a total of six months Now okay
(35:28):
, total of six months, right,we've blown through probably
about 40 grand.
Yeah, easy, easily, yeah, if notmore, maybe, maybe a little
more than that, somewhere inthat range, just between me and
her.
Yeah, just between me and her,like when he comes.
That's a separate entity, yeahand uh separate expenses yeah
(35:52):
yeah, okay, um, that's at thispoint she's wanting to Take Duke
over right and go see your kidsand take care of things and get
away from her brother, becauseher brother's not gonna stop,
it's not gonna change.
You know, I mean, she tried tofill in that position and she
realized that she got roped intoEverything way overhead with
(36:14):
the, with one with the propertyissues, two with the drug
addiction and three with beingin a relationship that was
completely toxic.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, so.
So she ends up moving out ofstate back to where she was
originally from came down, camedown south, yeah, and uh, at
that point we can say Florida.
Okay.
So, yeah, yeah, she came backdown to Florida.
I ended up staying in New Yorkfor a little bit.
I was like I got to figure outa new plan.
(36:43):
I had a little bit of money putaway, so I was alright.
Um, I had to figure out a newplan.
I kind of left the job becausehe wanted me to go upstate with
him On the last time that heleft and move the entire company
upstate to a new property, to anew airstrip that he had
another Piece of property inupstate New York that he was
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working on.
But his sister, kind of in wayby proxy, she told me to not go
up and not get involved, thatit's just gonna be the same kind
of crap.
And you know, I have somefeeling, for I kind of want to
take her word.
There is a genuine care abouteach other.
It wasn't just it wasn't justyou.
(37:27):
So even though it started outas just being used, you know it
kind of fondness.
So he wanted me to load up thetruck and trailer drive all of
his main property at the onehouse that he would stay at the
most and go upstate and help himbuild, because I have
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construction experience.
He was gonna build and add ontothe house that he had up there.
He offered me that job position.
When she took off.
I was like you know what?
We've been doing this for three, four months now.
It's been fruitful.
But I'm gonna go my separateway.
I'm gonna kind of try to getaway from this because it's just
chaotic.
It was a lot more than Ibargained for, a lot of.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Well, this dude probably keeps you on edge a lot
.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Well, yeah, you never know.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Because you would just swoop in, watch it.
Everyone's got a fucking kindof hop to and then you just
fucking swoop out and it soundskind of edgy.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, it was.
Yeah, it was the power of themoney that he had, kind of just
it's not that it makes it okay,but it makes it seem like it's
okay.
Well, I'll just pay for it.
I would just pay for whateverand it's just unlimited.
That's probably uncomfortableto be around.
At first it was intimidating,and then it got to the point to
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where it's almost degrading.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
It's like what do you think, just because you have
money, what do you think you are?
Do you think you just tell mewhen and how to do what?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah, you're just my lackey.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, sorry, it doesn't work that way.
So when he offered me thatposition I was kind of like you
know what?
I really just can't, it's notgonna happen.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Because you probably knew what was gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, I ended up.
So I didn't take that position.
I stayed at the priorities fora little bit more so I could
figure out my own personalsituation, and I ended up
realizing how demonic thoseproperties were that he was on
like, how severely demonic itwas, like whatever he was doing
(39:37):
in that house or whatever it was, it was the main house, I just
swear it.
Like one night I was outsideand I felt like I was in the
seventh circle of hell, like itwas just sketchy.
Everything was dark.
It was really sketchy becausethere was.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Is there anything in the houses that were fucking
weird?
Did you ever see anythingfucking weird?
Nothing like ritualisticallythere was, but that's kind of
what you felt.
Yeah, you said that earlier.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, the way he did things, the way that he would
come up and just do it, itdoesn't.
I don't know if it wassomething that he was doing
while he was there, if it hadsomething to do with Some of his
beliefs, I don't really know,because I never actually Saw it.
Yeah, I saw it, or got highwith him or did anything like
that.
It was just kind of like aservitude position, like here
(40:25):
you go and he's gonna go takeoff and do what he wanted to do,
which I got.
Did you talk?
Speaker 1 (40:29):
with him a lot.
Did you like bullshit with him?
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, when we first, when I first met him or what
kind of gave me a lowdown, Ifound out who he was.
The things that he's done, likemultiple companies that he's
open.
He's a very smart, intelligentman.
Like he definitely did all thethings like he stabs his company
and all that.
It wasn't somebody else's doing, it was all him.
(40:53):
Yeah, so it wasn't like he waslacking in any way, but maybe
there was something that'saltered and it was a darker.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Was he normal to fucking talk to?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Not really.
He kind of went aroundeverywhere.
You would think he was homeless.
You would completely think he'shomeless.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Just the way he talked.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, unshaven, or the way he looked, oh no, no, no
, the way he spoke was yeah,he's very well spoken, very high
vocabulary.
You would tell he's anintelligent man easily, but from
the looks of things you wouldnever know that he had a company
behind him with militarybacking.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Millions and millions and millions.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, trying to invent new planes and Air strips
and stuff.
Gyroscopters and like really ona forefront of aerospace
development, and he was involvedand he had to connect so that
all the people that were in thatfield and in that industry so I
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don't know if they knew that hewas struggling with addictions
and maybe they were trying tohelp him, maybe they were trying
to get him out of it, maybethey were trying to get him out
of the problem so they can getinto where he's at.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
You never know at that level man, that's like Game
of Thrones shit.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Like yeah, I mean when, or you die, yeah, that's
kind of how it goes.
So when was when?
Did you kind of, when did thatchapter of your life end?
Or how did that, how did thelast chapter go?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Well, that was kind of the I would say that's the
middle right there because wekind of went our separate ways,
like he ended up staying in NewYork, he ended up finishing
pursuing establishing thecompany upstate and his sister
came to Florida.
I ended up staying in New York.
(42:53):
I actually went into a recoverybecause I just didn't want to
feel like that anymore.
I was like I can't even, I'mjust done.
You get hooked, yeah, likethat's just kind of.
It literally took my life force, like it was kind of it was a
dark time.
Yeah, it didn't start as that,but it turned into it Just by
(43:15):
those connections and I ended upgoing into recovery or whatnot.
But as soon as I got out, hissister reached out to me and
there was a lot of longing therestill within me because you
know, it was fun.
It was not, it was.
It was kind of like I felt likesex, drugs and rock and roll.
(43:37):
I'm running gun and I got alimited funds I got.
You know it was.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
In a demonic neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, really.
I and it's a back pedal to gowith everything being so dark
and it be the name of eventually.
It kind of double entendre.
It plays into it now.
Now it makes me a believerfully.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
So then, how did Florida go?
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Well, I came down to Florida and to be in a real
relationship with this wizardand right off the bat it didn't
work.
We were in West Palm, we got acondo, we're like on the 13th
floor, the Overlook and the GolfCourse, right in downtown,
(44:27):
right in West Palm.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I can't really say that we can say West Palm.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
All right so we're good.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, there's a lot of people in West Palm.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, we're in the mix.
We're in a mix.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
This is his money.
Yeah, this is his condo.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Well, this is where I found out that she actually has
trust fund so she's taking careof.
She gets a stipend every month,so like she's not, Trust fund
from the family, yeah.
Gotcha.
Through him, he basically setup everybody Okay and there's
tons of money to go around.
We're living in this condo andit's just free reign.
(45:03):
She's not working, I'm notworking, we go, we're going out
drinking, we're going to movies,going out to the beach, going
to the gym.
Just living in West Palm.
It's kind of you know, doingbeach life Like oh, this is
great and yeah.
She, me and her kind of startgoing through it because of the
(45:23):
fact of what happened, what tookplace, and she gets a little
violent and gets when she'sdrinking and ended up getting
herself into a little bit oftrouble with the law.
I proceeded to not pursue itbecause I love and care for her
and that was a pivotal point.
This is where it starts closing, because we were having fun in
(45:46):
West Palm until she just startedgetting a little crazy, but her
brother still got a hold on her.
Because people are stillfollowing us in West Palm.
I'm walking around.
I have people following mewalking Like I would literally
have to double back and theywould just try to follow me to
where I'm going to, whatever I'mdoing.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
And this is legit.
You're not fucking imaginingthat.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
No, I can visually point that person out and then
do it again.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Well, there's like there's that element of where
people saying people are.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
No, this is a legit.
People are like I don't know ifit was from the government
contracts that he had.
I don't know if it was fromprivate investigators from the
family, I don't know if it wasfrom other the other families
that are trying to battle forproperty.
I couldn't tell you who thepower was or where it was coming
from, but I know it all had tostem from him and what was going
(46:42):
on.
So me and her start goingthrough it and we decide to take
off from West Palm because it'sjust a little chaotic.
That opens up the door.
Me and her just start runningwild.
So running wild, I'm going intocell phone stores to like buy
new cell phones because we'regetting random text messages on
brand new phones that we bought.
(47:03):
That nobody has the number andshe's getting random messages.
So it's like how does anyonehave these numbers?
Like what's going on here and Iwould think that it's recycle
numbers or something like that.
But when I walk into the store,she's sitting there whispering
to these people.
I'm like what's going on?
And then she's commenting on,like just certain shit that like
(47:25):
I wouldn't know about.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Shit's getting froggy .
Yeah, and what do you think wasgoing on then?
Speaker 2 (47:33):
I mean, what do I think was going on?
I really believe that I believethat she was involved with it
in her brother, in like, notlike the religious, the
ritualist type things, but Ibelieve, just by proxy of it
being family, that her family ispart of it.
(47:57):
Like they know that these thethings, like the role that they
have to play, the positionthey're supposed to fill within
this, this group, and just youknow, like they're meant to have
a company that's just used forpower plays to do this.
you know what I mean.
And by getting caught up andwrapped in it, she was messing
(48:19):
things up and she was getting introuble for it.
So I think she was essentiallytrying to not ex me out of the
situation but make it likethat's not what it is, because
she hid the trust fund from mefor forever.
She tried to make it.
She always told me that, oh,her friend has trust funds, her
friends has this, and that nevergave up any information.
(48:41):
I had to diligently find outwhat was going on and it was
almost like it was wrong that Iwas questioning the situation
and what was up like how is this, this or how is that that?
And if I ask any questions,it's a problem.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
So we're in Orlando, we're kind of running and
gunning and things get a littlesketchy and it's actually
probably right around my 34thbirthday.
So this is eight months intoour relationship.
It's my 34th birthday.
I'm wanting to, I'm wanting tohave a good birthday.
(49:24):
It's I'm 34.
Yeah, I want to spend some goodtime and whatever.
And she's got some weird sexualaddictions.
So it was kind of it was kindof fun, it was.
It was a little weird, it waskind of fun.
But for my 34th birthday sheends up wanting to get a call
girl.
So we, we end up getting a callgirl, doing the dress up thing
(49:49):
and like having his big grandold birthday for me.
Okay, we're using after that.
It was a great, it was a reallygood birthday.
Um, the next day I wake up on ahotel bed $20 in my hand, while
it's gone.
Everything in the room is gone,everything's covered in water
(50:09):
and she's gone, gone,everything's covered in water,
water.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Water, like someone took water and dumped it all
over the tables, all over thestuff that was out.
Oh shit, yeah, like literallyjust covered in water.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Was it to get rid of the coke, or something?
Speaker 2 (50:27):
I.
I guess that was a deploy there, but uh yeah, I I fell asleep
and I guess when I fell asleepshe ended up taking off.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
She just hit the road , left me stuck stranded.
I had no, no way.
No, took my bank cards, tookeverything.
Oh yeah, it was a.
That was quite quite the wakeup call.
So you say, geez, yeah, I getcarried on a little bit more
after that.
But she went to a privatemental health care facility in
(51:03):
Melbourne.
Now, if you know, anywhere inFlorida Florida one of the
largest space tech developmentareas is over there.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, space coast yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
And everything's totally paid for, totally
covered.
It's secretive, nothing's outthere and, uh, I kind of get
dealt, I get left, left, hungout to dry, which I am.
It's kind of understandable.
Things were hectic, like Idon't really fault her for it.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
No.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Could have.
Could have done it a little bitmore casually, Like hey, uh
there you go.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah, sometimes that's the way to do it.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Yeah, I guess I mean it was great send off,
essentially great birthdaypresent, and then the next day
it's just like I'm going to robthe blind and see you later.
So, uh, we end up talking shestays in to.
She stayed in the mental healthplace for three weeks or
(51:59):
whatnot.
I'm just making, making it,making it, making it do, really
just through the call girl thatI had met with her.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Trying to get by, get all my stuff, get back to West
Palm and then go back to NewYork.
At this point and, uh, shereaches out and it's like, well,
you can come to Melbourne, youcan come out over here and we'll
, we'll try to set something up.
Yeah, I go out, I go out thereand she actually picks me up.
I'm at the West Palm airport, Ihave a ticket, I'm going back
(52:34):
to New York and last second shepulls up.
Like I'm here, like don't goback, like to stop me,
specifically to stop me fromgoing back to New York, because
I figured it out, I'm done, likeI'm gone, I don't want to do
this.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
So she's like you can come, you can come to Melbourne
.
It's like, all right, well,what's going to happen there?
I was like she's like we'll geta place, We'll get set up,
We'll do, we'll do it.
I was like, all right, well,let's go.
More promises, Get to Melbourne.
Lo and behold, I didn't knowthat it was one of the largest
space development centers andit's that's where all of the
(53:10):
private contractors are.
It's really where everythingkind of goes goes down.
Yeah, it was a little.
The town itself was weird.
Yeah, the town itself has got areally weird vibe to it, like
it's just.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
I noticed that yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
It's kind of as well.
There's also I mean it'sFlorida, so there's a lot of
methamphetamine around- so, yougot zombies running everywhere,
especially on that coast yeah.
I set myself up like I got alittle room for rent.
She's staying in like this carefacility so she can get her
shit together because she doeshave children.
(53:48):
Yeah, I I wonder where the kidsback in.
I really want to try and worksomething out because at this
point we're kind of invested.
Even though there was a lot oftoxic stuff, I sadly want to
keep going for it out of somesense of loyalty.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah and uh, you guys are like a tornado and a
volcano.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Oh man, it was, it was, it was a little hectic.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Um, so, needless to say, is I didn't know.
I was on the space coast andit's like everything's bought
and paid for and there's such ahold over her by her brother
that he sends her to all theseplaces and it's like we end up
in these twisted places withthis, like, essentially, where
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she can be guarded by otherpeople.
I don't even know if it's maybeher being guarded, that it
might not have been peoplewatching me.
It could have been people likemaking sure that she's okay,
like security or something.
Yeah that, because she'sinvolved with me, so it's quite
potential.
It could have been that, youknow, um so how did it all end
(54:55):
then?
Speaker 1 (54:56):
I mean, eventually, it had to just yeah it did.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Um, and the I mean visual wise being at least
Valley of Rebels, and that wasto.
I mean, we were in Melbourne.
I ended up leaving and going tofind my own work.
This isn't the end, but I leftto go find my own work.
I was doing some hurricanerelief work.
I ended up going to anotherpart of Florida.
After that, I shot to New Yorkfor a couple of weeks and was
(55:19):
kind of making ends meet, tryingto clear up some of my stuff
with my own family, because Iwas running and still doing.
I didn't really I wasn'tattending to any of that when I
was taking care of all thesethings.
So I'm in New York, I'm takingcare of myself, doing the right
thing.
Once again, she reaches out.
She reaches out.
She's in another part ofFlorida, another condo,
(55:42):
everything set up.
Come down, I come down, I'mhere for about two, three days.
I have a hotel room.
I'm like staying there, me andher kind of hooking up, and I'm
not staying with her because Idon't want to be there.
Right.
Then it kind of ends with I goback over there and she's still
using, and she ends up having adealer in the house.
(56:06):
Personally, I kind of kickedthe door open and kicked them
out.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
Did you have a dealer living with her?
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Well, just staying there, with her being there most
of the time so she can get highin supply or need, because she
just kept getting high, shenever stopped.
It didn't stop all the castthat.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
I felt Were you that guy when you were there.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, that was kind of the position I filled for
both her and her brother.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah, so now there's this other guy.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Yeah, and for her brother, essentially when it all
originally started, and then Itransitioned into her and it
felt like it was too insane,almost that you went to, it was
all supported really off oftheir money.
There was no stop to it.
Still to this day she called meand told me that recently,
(57:02):
after I got into that bit of allthe vacation, I ended up
getting arrested and now it'sdead.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
When you kick the door in, you get arrested.
I get it.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
That was the complete end to it.
That was the dead stop of therelationship, but she happened
to reach out after.
I took care of all that and letme know that her brother passed
, ended up dying from stomachcancer, which doesn't like you
said.
It doesn't make much sense.
It doesn't make much sensebecause, I researched it.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
It's a young dude, isn't it?
He was early 50s.
He was a little bit older thanme.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
He was a little bit older than her, not much.
It didn't make a lot of sensebecause I tried to research more
information about it, but itwas just the local newspaper
where he wasn't living.
It was through another wherethe company was, so it was
almost like a cover-up,essentially just to push him
(58:02):
away.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
So it's like he's gone, it doesn't get some
fucking circles, man, you startrunning in those circles.
I mean, that's like Epstein, hegot suicided, right.
At least this guy got stomachcancer.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
Whatever the fuck it was, it's a little kinder, who
knows.
I spoke and reached out to himafter me and his sister got into
RMS.
I reached out to him onFacebook and email.
He reached out because I wastrying to get some contacts in
the aerospace industry just forwork for my own construction.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
Not that he didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
He just was real standoffish.
He was just his runner to gethim drugs and do this and do
that.
Speaker 1 (58:57):
It's like you don't want to cross that.
Almost If he's got his businessworld and his business contacts
and his legit business andgovernment people and all that
stuff like he doesn't want tocross those worlds, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (59:10):
I didn't see that at first.
I just thought that that's whohe was all the time, but it
wasn't because I didn't know himin any other fashion.
Speaker 1 (59:22):
What's a fucking wild story, dude.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Yeah, it happened to all of about two years maybe.
Speaker 1 (59:33):
Yeah, the whole, thing, yeah, the whole, thing,
the whole kitten caboodle.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
But I think within six, eight months we'll do like
100K just getting high, justdoing dumb shit, running around
Orlando with her sister justspending money frivously, I
think it's a no result.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
I mean the story was interesting, thanks for sharing
it, and that was like you get apeek into I don't know that
ultra wealthy world, and then itkind of covers on some of the
defense contracting, secretsociety, shit.
I mean it doesn't your storyand your experience didn't
necessarily solve anything.
Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
No but.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I think it's just interesting to know that that's
out there.
Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yeah, I didn't expect it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
It really it opened my eyes to the fact that you
didn't live in that world, youdidn't grow up in it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
No, these said, well, like groups could really be
there and be that dark, likethat's it's really happening,
like there's that type of thingto it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
You're just a normal guy.
You come into this and you know, I believe, that there's some
fuckery going on.
There's definitely a lot offuckery that we don't know about
, and you know, I guess, themore we can learn about it in
some way.
You know, maybe somebodyactually figures out what the
fuck's going on.
(01:01:07):
Maybe we don't want to know,maybe it doesn't matter, maybe
it's who gives a fuck, but it'sinteresting and entertaining.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, it was kind of it was entertaining at a time
for me just to be involved withit because I thrive off of chaos
a little bit Like it was funfor them for the time I was in
it.
Like it was a project to figureeverything out.
It was kind of like, and itstill doesn't make sense, it's
not full circle, where it's likeI know every bit of information
(01:01:36):
or like what was really goingon or what still may really be
going on, because I don't knowif Just get back on Tinder.
Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
No, I say, we find you another one.
Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
No no.
Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Another mystery, another fucking adventure.
Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
No, that took too much out of me.
Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Well, thanks for coming on and sharing.
I appreciate it.
It was a good show andhopefully everyone learned
something from it and it'sentertaining and it's cool.
Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
And to the viewers, the listeners, thanks for tuning
in.
Stay out of trouble and we'llsee you in church Till next time
.
Start rolling whenever you'd like.
My dear, how do you sound?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Pretty good Sound confident.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Confident and deep.
You get that deep voice, you'regonna take off the headphones
and be like Fuck.
Alright, let's be serious,serious, I'm so serious.
Fuck around, who cares?
Alright, no more games.
Alright, thank you for tuningin to the Redacted Podcast.
(01:10):
We have our guest here who'sbeen so gracious to come on and
tell his very kind of fucking,strange and fucked up story.
For us it's a weird one.
We like it, but he's anonymousso nobody will know that it's
his weird story.
Could be anyone's weird story.
We got Pamela back therefussing around.
(01:32):
I don't know what she does.
Back there Runs the audio boardand the video board, but she's
been sworn to secrecy too, soshe's not gonna reveal you, but
thank you for coming on, you'rewelcome.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
She's probably back there doing all the work.
Yeah, we just sit up here andbullshit.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
She has to sit back there and work.
We're just taking around.
She's good for it, though.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
She likes it.
I think, do you like it?
She likes it.
Okay, that's good, it's gottabe pretty interesting, yeah,
listening to us all day.
Well, you guys are interesting.
I'm not, I'm just the guy, theguy that brings the interesting
people.
That's a key element.
Yeah, so the story you had waskind of fucked up and I guess we
(02:25):
don't have to preface it toomuch, we can just kind of go
with it.
But you were fucking aroundwith some pretty powerful weird
government defense contract orpeople and it seemed like kind
of a just interesting, likesurprising interesting, and it
might give a little insight intothat world, but an inside look
(02:48):
at it.
So, from what I remember, wetalked about it briefly, but you
met.
So you met a woman on a datingapp and this was what 10 years
ago or eight years ago orsomething.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
About nine now yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Nine years ago.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Give or take.
It was 33 at the time and sheactually I didn't meet her.
She kind of stalked me out onthis dating side.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
She stalked you.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, I kicked her there.
Okay, I kept refusing her and Ididn't really I wasn't
interested.
I had a couple of.
I wasn't in a committedrelationship but I had a couple
relationship type friendships,so to say and she really wasn't
on the radar until she messagedme randomly One night.
(03:45):
I just happened to be alone andI kind of took her up on her
offer of coming over to hang out.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
originally, she gave you a U-up yeah At random what
you doing.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
What are you doing?
I was like not much.
She's kind of laying aroundhanging out.
She's like do you want to comeover and come see me?
I was like, well, I'd only comeover for one reason, and one
reason only and she signed up,so I didn't know what to expect
really.
I ended up going over there andshe was older, right.
(04:21):
Yeah, that's one of the reasonswhy I wasn't too interested.
It was kind of it's not that itdidn't appeal to me, but I was
like, oh well, what would thisturn into?
And she was at the time I was33, she was 45, so it was a nice
(04:43):
little difference.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
That's a decent gap, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I didn't really know what to expect.
I never saw her in person.
I met her on Tinder, so it'sall just photos.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You don't really truly know what this person's
about, or anything like thatKind of strictly a.
Okay, we're going to, I'm goingto come over.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
See what this shit's about.
Yeah, so you get over there.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, I go, I end up showing up to her house.
It's.
I say it's probably about 1130,12 o'clock and right as soon as
walking in the door it starts,we start.
She was all over me At the time.
I was in pretty decent shape,going to the gym on a regular
(05:31):
yeah, so I was kind of just likeyou went with it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah Of course Igot to.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
It's like Stiffler's mom was jumping on.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's exactly.
It turned out to be a lotbetter than I expected it was
not.
I wasn't disappointed.
It was, it was a, it was a goodnight.
We ended up going for a fewhours and it was like, okay,
well, thanks, I'm going to leave.
And lo and behold I.
(06:07):
I ended up going to put myshoes on and there's $300 in my
shoes that she put there.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh shit, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Like I didn't even know.
I wasn't really like a spoke ofthing or anything like that.
She just kind of dropped moneyon me and I'm like I they had to
feel a little fucked up.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It hurt my heart.
It hurt my heart at first.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And then I high fived myself.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I became a high fived myself.
I liked that because you'relike well, I guess it was pretty
awesome.
300 bucks, that's fucked upLooking back.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
it's demoralizing, but at the time a 33 year old
guy, I've been pretty decentshape.
I'm like okay, maybe the funnymemory.
Maybe I could turn this into aprofession.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So then she would hit you up more, yeah, kind of a
kind of offer money again.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh yeah, it was always unspoken.
It was like a thing she wouldliterally just pay me and I
would.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
So she's just like you come over and then she just
kind of casually slips you somemoney and then and that went on
for a little bit- yeah, kind ofevolved into a couple of times a
week, probably three, fourtimes a week.
But as the increase, you haveto report that to the IRS.
At that point, jeez.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I don't know.
I don't know.
The payment stops the more timewe ended up spending together.
I would stay over later andlater and things would grew to
be a little bit more intimate,obviously because you know more
of a relationship maybe youcan't have that kind of transfer
(08:01):
with someone and it not evolve.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, and she was pretty, she was pretty demanding
and like it took a lot out ofme, so I would, we would, I
would relax afterwards After thelaw court.
You know what?
I'm just going to hang out andthen she's demanding.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And I'm just like, just like Old kinky lady
demanding very much so yeah,okay there was.
She had some weird kinks andsome weird yeah she things.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, I Couldn't really not gonna say that it
wasn't enough, but you just keptwanting more.
Okay, it was, it wasn't that itwasn't satisfying, because they
will.
It more than Multiple times was.
Yeah, and she just was.
(08:55):
I really think she was just anold info going through it at
that age Like some peak she washitting or something like that
just couldn't get enough.
Yeah, like she happened to have.
She had kids prior that were alittle younger.
They're probably in a nine tenrange.
They're not around.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
With their dad, or, yeah, they were with their dad,
so she's divorced.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, just recently divorced.
Okay and I guess I was thefling at the time you were the
rebound.
Yeah, and she was trying to gether fill.
So it it benefited me because Iwas working two jobs at the
time and I had a side income,but it was it's a little taxing,
how silly, geez.
(09:40):
Yeah it it.
It was fulfilling for the pointof Of like I was.
It really stroked my ego.
It made me feel like I wasdoing something.
No, and it was well, it wasabout nothing, it was in the end
, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
But at the time you're like, look, fuck, yeah,
he's the man.
Yeah, like a jiggler.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I would tell my buddies about it and they
wouldn't believe me, so I wouldjust kind of be like all right.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So how did she?
How did I mean?
That's a lot of money.
How did she have that money?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
At first I didn't really know she was it.
She was a teacher.
She was out of work at a time,but she had said that she sold
her house and in the divorce andyou got the money from the
house or whatnot.
So because we would starttalking and discussing things
about her family and Come tofind out she has, like, an older
(10:37):
brother that lives Oakley andshe ended up moving into one of
his properties, so she doesn'treally have to pay anything.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
He owned the properties, so she was living
for free on big bro.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, and you know she's just trying to Find work
and reestablish her life in NewYork because she came from
another state and so as we keepbeing getting more and more
involved, it ends up turninginto an actual relationship like
I would go over there to hangout with her and spend some time
(11:11):
with her or whatnot.
And At that point it wasprobably about Almost a month
and a half, in two months in wekind of I kind of I shut her
down on the payment for themoney.
I'm like you don't really haveto give me money anymore, like
you don't have to pay me forhaving sex with you at this
point, like you know like I'mtired, I can't do it anymore.
(11:33):
Like you're expecting too much,yeah, yeah.
I can't sign off on that invoice, um, but throughout um that I
kind of like Are you know,pillow talk, she would tell me
about her brother and uh what,what he was going through or
whatnot, and he would, she wouldlead into things because uh he
(11:57):
was struggling, he had some somereal life issues going on.
To where uh he he not that heneeded help, but he needed
someone to be able to uh Takecare of things because he owned
all those properties.
He wasn't always around and uhSheik wasn't doing it.
He was.
She was supposed to be hisassistant, like paid assistant,
(12:21):
but she was just I guess she hadsome entitlement things where
she's like I don't have to doanything and I'm your sister, I
could just live here um, andyou're thinking this dude's
pretty loaded.
Then yeah, because I didn't.
I didn't understand, like, ifshe's not doing nothing, he owns
all these properties.
What's really going on?
You know what I mean?
I could I'm One night, um I'mover there and he happened to be
(12:44):
in town and, uh, he owned, heowned the house across the
street too, um, so I saw histruck and it was just a regular
work truck and it had it had theuh, his company logo on it and
it kind of threw me for a loop alittle bit because, um, it's
pretty significant company, it'swell known, oh, in in certain
(13:07):
fields and, uh, I looked it up,the um the logo's fucked up,
like you told me the name we'renot gonna say it here but yeah,
yeah, that's, that's the logoman.
So it kind of uh, I gotta Give alittle feedback because she met
(13:28):
me on tinder but she also weended up being friends on
facebook or whatnot, and oh yeah, I'm into like some uh, well, I
call it conspiracy theories orsecret knowledge or like occult
beliefs.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, that logo is like a, like a bullseye for
conspiracy and the name and thename.
But I'm like I looked it up andI was like you gotta be fucking
kidding me.
Just like that in plain sight.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That's fucked up and I didn't want to really believe
that it was that obvious.
I'm like it's just gotta be aploy it can't be just throw it
out there.
Yeah, it can't be just that inyour face.
And uh, I've come to find out.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Like if a bad guy was trying to like, if they they
had a bad guy in a movie andthey gave him a fake company
name to sound evil and look evil, it would be that like, yeah,
like that's some crazy shit.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, yeah, it kind of, uh, it threw me.
It threw me for a loop.
Like I didn't know what to dowith that information at the at
the time I kind of just storedit away in In front of Rolodex.
It was like, okay, I'm gonnahave to kind of see what this is
about.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, so what did?
When did you end up finding?
So you end up doing some workfor him.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, so he, she had devolved some information to me
that night when his truck wasthere this is, uh, probably
about three months into ourrelationship cry, at a three
month mark and uh, she devolvedsome information that her
brother has some addictionissues or whatnot, and uh, that
(15:14):
he was kind of going through itwith a drug dealer what, what
have you, they were taking themfor a lot of money because, uh,
you know, they, I guess they sawa mark and they saw that he had
money, had company, and uh, shejust told me that, like she
would need, she would need me togo with, go with her and him
(15:38):
somewhere to like just standthere.
Essentially, so it's likethere's another player and he
needed some backup.
Yeah, not even backup, but justto let it be known that there's
another player in the game andthat there's like that dude's
not going to be an optionanymore.
Okay, it's.
Uh, it's just like your.
Just like your, your, yourprivileges are being revoked.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, essentially.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, because, uh, I didn't find this out till after
his um, his addiction isactually pretty, how would you
say?
Heavy, not heavy, but it'sspecific, like he.
(16:22):
Okay, yeah, well, it's cocaine,but it has to be delivered, it
has to be ready there waiting,and he doesn't want to have to
give you the money once,everything to already be Paid
for, set, done, paid for lessstreamlined that's what
streamlined, his addiction isstreamlined.
So because he travels a lot, hewasn't around often.
(16:45):
He would only get little bitsof time to come, get high and
then go back to his employmentor Company.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
essentially, like a little ritual.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
He did almost, yeah, and it could have been, given
the information from the company, could have definitely been a
ritual.
It would have been a darkritual that it has.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Ties with.
Didn't think about that, yeahno fucked up, shit man.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
So you're, you're helping him do obtain this or?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
It didn't start there .
We ended up kind of cuttingthat dude out and I just
naturally stepped into thatposition.
I had a couple of contacts thatI knew on my own accord and you
know I saw opportunity in frontof myself.
So if you know what have you?
I'm okay, there's money to bemade and there's good money to
(17:39):
be made, yeah, so I'm gonna gofor it, and it ended up working
out for a little bit.
He gave me an actual positionto to fill as well as Taking
care of the properties that werethere while he's gone, and then
I would be with his sister,take care of the properties and
also Essentially be his runner.
(18:00):
Yeah, you know, like to takecare of the little bit, kind of.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
We just were you like an employee, like getting a
paycheck.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I had a stipend, you know, I mean whenever I need
like.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I didn't know if you're like payrolled.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
No, I wasn't ever on the books.
No, I don't know how they wouldclassify that, that on the
books, I mean.
There's plenty of ways in thatindustry?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, there's plenty way to do it.
They can definitely do that one.
Yeah, it'd be a researcherPowdered substance researchers.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
So once we kind of started Me and her relationship
started yeah, evolving you knowit was more about servitude of
him To what he wanted and whatwas going on and all of his
properties and the business andall the elements that were
coming into play there, becauseit was in a Local town but it
(19:00):
was with an airstrip and theairstrip was right around the
corner from the houses.
So whenever he would come intotown it would be he Land in the
airfield, come over to the house, run a muck around three or
four houses, get in high makinga mess, not knowing what he's
doing, and just so the guy owned, so his company owned an
(19:22):
airstrip yeah the company heowned owned Like a little
airstrip, and then there washouses right by that.
Yeah, the company you own isactually a Aero space aero space
company that's more into.
It was trying to branch intosolar work, to make solar planes
(19:45):
, and what he did make solarthey were doing defense
contracting too right, yeah yeah, which Some pretty high-powered
Officials on their board.
I've never met the people.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I looked, I looked at the list of people on the board
.
Yeah, it's pretty fucking.
You got generals and shit onthere and yeah, I, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I did not know what I was stepping into at this point
.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, I kind of I Went in headfirst and I just
flew by the seat of my pants,Essentially well, you probably
think if, if you're with hissister, you're kind of I Don't
know in a good position, thatyou're, that you're gonna be
taken care of or not Fucked withtoo much, or it secured my
(20:33):
position because, like you, havean in and you know Probably a
whole lot of fuckery isn't gonnahappen to you necessarily you
know it was a lot of backlashfrom.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah his actions, yeah, and didn't directly happen
to me and his sister like ourrelationship.
But the backlash that happenedfrom within the local community
and the town because the companyit wasn't what it was made out
(21:05):
to be.
Obviously he I don't know ifthe addiction got ahold of him
and he just wasn't able to fillPromises that he made because
the town was mad at him.
He couldn't bring in what hesaid he was bringing in.
Yeah, or it was just a front.
It was literally just a frontto get hands on that airstrip.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I mean, there's a lot of other players that came in
afterwards a lot of people wouldlike an airstrip, especially up
, and that's in the New York ish.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, yeah that that's High, high, high price.
Oh yeah property and realestate beyond, and it's not.
It's not a matter of Money atthat point.
It's a matter of who you knowand how you can get your hands
on that.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, so there's fights for it, people are
fighting over it, and so, andjust to kind of back up, like so
I can visualize your life atthat point Are you living with
the sister?
Yes, so you're living in one ofthe houses near the airstrip
full-time, yeah, and you'reworking taking care of these
(22:11):
houses, yeah, and hooking thisdude up with coke, yes, and I
mean among probably other littlethings.
And then when he would, wouldhe just go by himself?
And you said he free-based,yeah, he does, so he would just
go do this by himself.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I mean he would have, he would.
He would have like call girlscome around, he would have to
know he Take care of whateverkind of finish he had, whatever.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
So he wasn't married.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
He was married and married and Newborn child and
they lived maybe somewhere elsefamily life.
I've never ran into him, but Iknew they were.
If they knew what he was doing,okay, they knew what he was
doing and I Didn't ever get tomeet any of them, and neither
(23:08):
did his sister, like theyweren't on speaking terms.
It wasn't a good relationship.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
With the wife yeah yeah, with his wife or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, they the family , kind of his main family, not
his wife.
His original family thoughtthat his wife was trying to Pull
them, pull him away from themand he was.
He was the breadwinner, yeah,of everything.
Because, besides this company,he actually was a very, very
smart individual who createdsome products for a lighting
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industry that he had patents on.
Yeah, he had patents on that hegot paid from for Eternity, who
you hope always be paid.
His family will never have toworry about money.
Wow, yeah, at one point heshowed me something that he
bought, which was a MasonicLodge in another country For
like 300 grand and it was acastle.
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Oh, Geez and he got it on adeal.
He's like look at this castle,I got.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Discount Masonic Lodge.
Yeah, was it Mason.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't know, I wouldn'tknow.
I mean, if he was a Freemason,just based off of my knowledge,
I don't think he would have thattype of addiction, or I mean,
addiction doesn't discriminatebut I don't think he would be
accepted, not sure.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I don't really know the coal, no groups like that.
So yeah, I just know that theopposite of mason's, which is
company, you know, I mean it'skind of that's two battling
entities right there.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
If you're playing both sides of the deck.
There my yeah, that kind of is.
So you said and you also said,like he had this like big hanger
.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, like.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Equipment that just they weren't making anything.
They weren't doing anything.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah well, which just didn't seem like part part of
my part of my duties wasWhenever he was in town I would
have to take him back and forthfrom the airstrip.
I would drive him there, pickhim up, we'd stop, get food,
whatever he wanted to do.
Yeah, and they had a heirs theon the airstrip that he had a
personal hangar where thecompany was located.
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But it was.
There was nobody ever at thishanger where the company was,
that there was Absolutelynothing going on.
It was.
It was pretty much just astorehouse for his toys.
He had like old planes in there.
He, I remember he had an oldone of the old Indian book
cruisers that broke the landspeed record.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Oh, that's sweet.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, he had one of those and I, when I went in, all
the CNC machines, all themilling stuff, all of the
designs, everything was justLeft there.
Yeah and I I want.
When I walked in, you feel likea vast emptiness of Absolutely
nothing happens in this place.
But it's set, yeah, it's justset.
So Whoever needs to see this orwhatever it's here.
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You know, I Was like yeah, maybe, maybe the company's, maybe the
yeah, maybe the company's goingunder because this dude's
Losing everything because ofwhat's going on in his life, but
it didn't even seem like therewas a company.
Essentially, I mean, obviouslythere is a real company, but
there wasn't employees.
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There was nobody in thesehouses.
Yeah, it was just.
I Really believe it was just aploy for that airstrip and it
was kind of a front and thensome fucked up stuff Happened
with that.
Yeah, that airstrip, you said,and like there was a couple
powerful, yeah, investmentgroups and yeah, the, the people
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that were power, that weretrying to battle for this
property, were, um, actuallyreally, really big wigs in the
real estate industry, likedevelopers.
Yeah, a mall of America, butit's a it's a it's kind of like
a family thing.
Yeah it's, you know a.
They were a group.
They own some of the hugestmalls in the world and they want
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to try to buy up all their airairfield in that general area.
Yeah, so they started havingEither private investigators or
whatnot look for any kind ofdirt on this guy that they can,
because there's a lot of moneyat play.
There's a lot of any bit, anytiny bit of information that can
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Make the town or anyone revokethis guy's lease on that
property, so they could have anin they're looking for.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So, everything that's where it got weird with you,
where they start.
Yeah, following you and hissister around.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, at that time I had tails on me anywhere I went.
They were always watching us.
They were Anywhere I went.
I you can feel it.
You can feel that you're beingwatched.
It's that they're not gonnamess with you, but they're gonna
watch and they're gonna seewhat.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
They're just looking and waiting For someone to fuck
up.
Yeah, or they, um, I I meandifferent people, or were they?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
It was a aim there, they would switch up.
But I'd see a lot of familiarfaces.
I would see like certain,certain Trevor, talk to him.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
No, okay, what the fuck you doing?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
No I, they wouldn't get within, like it would keep
their distance safe, safe enough.
So, like once I approached,they peel off and it was almost
taken pictures and shut.
I Don't know if they took anypictures, but I'm sure they did.
I'm sure they had plenty ofevidence on it.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So then, were you, were you kind of is everyone
kind of trying to watch theirfucking peas and queues?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, but it was.
It was really unspoken.
It was because, I'd, mind you,he never told me any of this
information, nor did she this.
All this came out.
I figured all of this out by myown evaluation of what was
going on.
Like what was taking place,like seeing that none of the
houses, nobody's living there,nobody's living in any of these
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properties, nobody has lived inany of these properties, it's
just him and he just uses themfor whatever kind of fuckery.
And then, once I got to go tothe hangar and I saw that like
absolutely no work was beingdone there, there was nothing,
there was no projects, there wasnothing on it, just kind of it
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clicked.
It made more sense because I hadan understanding, because I
looked for the information ofyeah basically was like you know
what I got to figure out what Igot myself into, because it's
too good to be true, like I'mI'm literally supplying drugs
for this guy.
But I'm supplying copiousamounts of drugs, like I'm going
to get 100 grams of cocaineevery four days, damn, back and
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forth to a connect that I knewout in the city and Like it was
project, like it's when you'rewhen you're doing that every
couple days.
It's not, it's not safe.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
It's like you have to be onyour toes.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
So I You're looking over your shoulder everywhere
you go, your head's always on aswivel, and your I was.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I started partaking because of the fact that I had
to stay up to do all this.
I had to stay up and I had toliterally Do it.
So, just so I didn't have to, Ichose to because of the fact
that I was Committed, which Idon't know what.
Why I stuck with her.
(30:52):
I guess the sex was great.
Yeah, I was making good money,like every time that, uh, every
time he would Want anything.
I'm pulling out Six, sevenhundred for him, two, three
hundred for me, going to put itin my account and then going to
take care of whatever.
Yeah, it was.
There was plenty of money to goaround and then on top of what
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she'd pay me.
So it was.
It was and a little bit of anadventure, but I Ended up
Getting bugged out.
Once I started having to drivehim back and forth, once I
started having to drop him offand he would just take off, he'd
be up for like four days.
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He would literally be upsmoking crack for four days.
I'd take him to the airstrip.
There'd be a jet waiting forhim.
He would literally just hop in.
I'd sit in park and wait forhim to taxi and take off.
I'm like what is this dude do?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I'm like what?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
What is it that he's kind of here right hiding out
who but is he involved with?
So I, when I started askingmyself these questions, I'm
gonna you look for somethingyou're gonna find an answer that
freaks out along.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, it's gonna be a little like uneasy.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, you didn't sit right with me.
So, on top of me running, notsleeping, getting high To having
to tend to all all of that, Iwanted a break.
I wanted to like Just walk awayfrom it for a little bit or
whatnot.
So I Kind of stepped back from,I Hit the relationship with her
(32:28):
because that was like primary,that with that key element I
ended up stepping away and itwasn't even Probably two, three
days.
I End up right back with herGoing back because he literally
made a trip to come down andthey had no connect.
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They had no connect or anythinglike that.
So they pretty much they hadnot that they, they Bought me,
but they bought me.
You know.
I mean they paid for me just soI can go get it, and I Charged
them an arm and leg.
I ended up charging them like1400 bucks just to even Show up
like I'm, yeah, not playingaround.
(33:08):
But I Mean it's what.
It was kind of my risk.
I don't want to keep harping onthat topic it was kind of my
risk.
So after that we ends up stayingup for a few more days.
I drop them off at the hangar.
He ends up hopping in thishelicopter, this time taking off
shoes, yeah, and he's going toanother part of the state to go
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back home and, I guess, be withthe family and try to clean up
or whatnot.
Me and her end up stayingtogether and she's kind of tired
of it too.
She's kind of tired of therunning around.
This should be in crazy.
Having to deal with her brotherhaving like people up her ass
all the time, like she feelslike she can't do anything.
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She's just got it.
There's divorce.
Yeah, she's weighing overheadwith the young kid.
That's kind of wild, becausethat's really what it was and
she ends up going back to herparents, which are just further
up in the city.
Okay, and.
And while that happens, I stayat the properties.
I'm gonna just keep staying atthe property that I got a place
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to stay if we're you know what Imean.
And I end up staying at theproperties and I find out that I
Start doing more research whileI'm there.
I'm like what's, what's?
What was this dude really about?
Yeah, and when I find out,that's how I found out about the
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other family that owned all theproperties and they were trying
to go after the airfield.
Because I started readinginformation online about, like,
the troubles with the town,didn't find out that he ended up
having a lease on this airstripand they were trying to get him
out of the lease so they canbuy the property.
And I Think I kind of not Helpedthem get that dirt, but by me
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being there and being a proxywith his sister, they got some
dirt because of the fact that wewere being involved too, so it
was the three of us.
So when they came you know whatI mean it kind of made a
situation a little moreamplified.
So she's staying at this point.
She's staying.
It's been all of, I'm gonna say, a total of six months Now okay
(35:28):
, total of six months, right,we've blown through probably
about 40 grand.
Yeah, easy, easily, yeah, if notmore, maybe, maybe a little
more than that, somewhere inthat range, just between me and
her.
Yeah, just between me and her,like when he comes.
That's a separate entity, yeahand uh separate expenses yeah
(35:52):
yeah, okay, um, that's at thispoint she's wanting to Take Duke
over right and go see your kidsand take care of things and get
away from her brother, becauseher brother's not gonna stop,
it's not gonna change.
You know, I mean, she tried tofill in that position and she
realized that she got roped intoEverything way overhead with
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the, with one with the propertyissues, two with the drug
addiction and three with beingin a relationship that was
completely toxic.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, so.
So she ends up moving out ofstate back to where she was
originally from came down, camedown south, yeah, and uh, at
that point we can say Florida.
Okay.
So, yeah, yeah, she came backdown to Florida.
I ended up staying in New Yorkfor a little bit.
I was like I got to figure outa new plan.
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I had a little bit of money putaway, so I was alright.
Um, I had to figure out a newplan.
I kind of left the job becausehe wanted me to go upstate with
him On the last time that heleft and move the entire company
upstate to a new property, to anew airstrip that he had
another Piece of property inupstate New York that he was
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working on.
But his sister, kind of in wayby proxy, she told me to not go
up and not get involved, thatit's just gonna be the same kind
of crap.
And you know, I have somefeeling, for I kind of want to
take her word.
There is a genuine care abouteach other.
It wasn't just it wasn't justyou.
(37:27):
So even though it started outas just being used, you know it
kind of fondness.
So he wanted me to load up thetruck and trailer drive all of
his main property at the onehouse that he would stay at the
most and go upstate and help himbuild, because I have
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construction experience.
He was gonna build and add ontothe house that he had up there.
He offered me that job position.
When she took off.
I was like you know what?
We've been doing this for three, four months now.
It's been fruitful.
But I'm gonna go my separateway.
I'm gonna kind of try to getaway from this because it's just
chaotic.
It was a lot more than Ibargained for, a lot of.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Well, this dude probably keeps you on edge a lot
.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Well, yeah, you never know.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Because you would just swoop in, watch it.
Everyone's got a fucking kindof hop to and then you just
fucking swoop out and it soundskind of edgy.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, it was.
Yeah, it was the power of themoney that he had, kind of just
it's not that it makes it okay,but it makes it seem like it's
okay.
Well, I'll just pay for it.
I would just pay for whateverand it's just unlimited.
That's probably uncomfortableto be around.
At first it was intimidating,and then it got to the point to
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where it's almost degrading.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
It's like what do you think, just because you have
money, what do you think you are?
Do you think you just tell mewhen and how to do what?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah, you're just my lackey.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, sorry, it doesn't work that way.
So when he offered me thatposition I was kind of like you
know what?
I really just can't, it's notgonna happen.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Because you probably knew what was gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, I ended up.
So I didn't take that position.
I stayed at the priorities fora little bit more so I could
figure out my own personalsituation, and I ended up
realizing how demonic thoseproperties were that he was on
like, how severely demonic itwas, like whatever he was doing
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in that house or whatever it was, it was the main house, I just
swear it.
Like one night I was outsideand I felt like I was in the
seventh circle of hell, like itwas just sketchy.
Everything was dark.
It was really sketchy becausethere was.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Is there anything in the houses that were fucking
weird?
Did you ever see anythingfucking weird?
Nothing like ritualisticallythere was, but that's kind of
what you felt.
Yeah, you said that earlier.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, the way he did things, the way that he would
come up and just do it, itdoesn't.
I don't know if it wassomething that he was doing
while he was there, if it hadsomething to do with Some of his
beliefs, I don't really know,because I never actually Saw it.
Yeah, I saw it, or got highwith him or did anything like
that.
It was just kind of like aservitude position, like here
(40:25):
you go and he's gonna go takeoff and do what he wanted to do,
which I got.
Did you talk?
Speaker 1 (40:29):
with him a lot.
Did you like bullshit with him?
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, when we first, when I first met him or what
kind of gave me a lowdown, Ifound out who he was.
The things that he's done, likemultiple companies that he's
open.
He's a very smart, intelligentman.
Like he definitely did all thethings like he stabs his company
and all that.
It wasn't somebody else's doing, it was all him.
(40:53):
Yeah, so it wasn't like he waslacking in any way, but maybe
there was something that'saltered and it was a darker.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Was he normal to fucking talk to?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Not really.
He kind of went aroundeverywhere.
You would think he was homeless.
You would completely think he'shomeless.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Just the way he talked.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, unshaven, or the way he looked, oh no, no, no
, the way he spoke was yeah,he's very well spoken, very high
vocabulary.
You would tell he's anintelligent man easily, but from
the looks of things you wouldnever know that he had a company
behind him with militarybacking.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Millions and millions and millions.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, trying to invent new planes and Air strips
and stuff.
Gyroscopters and like really ona forefront of aerospace
development, and he was involvedand he had to connect so that
all the people that were in thatfield and in that industry so I
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don't know if they knew that hewas struggling with addictions
and maybe they were trying tohelp him, maybe they were trying
to get him out of it, maybethey were trying to get him out
of the problem so they can getinto where he's at.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
You never know at that level man, that's like Game
of Thrones shit.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Like yeah, I mean when, or you die, yeah, that's
kind of how it goes.
So when was when?
Did you kind of, when did thatchapter of your life end?
Or how did that, how did thelast chapter go?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Well, that was kind of the I would say that's the
middle right there because wekind of went our separate ways,
like he ended up staying in NewYork, he ended up finishing
pursuing establishing thecompany upstate and his sister
came to Florida.
I ended up staying in New York.
(42:53):
I actually went into a recoverybecause I just didn't want to
feel like that anymore.
I was like I can't even, I'mjust done.
You get hooked, yeah, likethat's just kind of.
It literally took my life force, like it was kind of it was a
dark time.
Yeah, it didn't start as that,but it turned into it Just by
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those connections and I ended upgoing into recovery or whatnot.
But as soon as I got out, hissister reached out to me and
there was a lot of longing therestill within me because you
know, it was fun.
It was not, it was.
It was kind of like I felt likesex, drugs and rock and roll.
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I'm running gun and I got alimited funds I got.
You know it was.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
In a demonic neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, really.
I and it's a back pedal to gowith everything being so dark
and it be the name of eventually.
It kind of double entendre.
It plays into it now.
Now it makes me a believerfully.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
So then, how did Florida go?
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Well, I came down to Florida and to be in a real
relationship with this wizardand right off the bat it didn't
work.
We were in West Palm, we got acondo, we're like on the 13th
floor, the Overlook and the GolfCourse, right in downtown,
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right in West Palm.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I can't really say that we can say West Palm.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
All right so we're good.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, there's a lot of people in West Palm.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, we're in the mix.
We're in a mix.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
This is his money.
Yeah, this is his condo.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Well, this is where I found out that she actually has
trust fund so she's taking careof.
She gets a stipend every month,so like she's not, Trust fund
from the family, yeah.
Gotcha.
Through him, he basically setup everybody Okay and there's
tons of money to go around.
We're living in this condo andit's just free reign.
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She's not working, I'm notworking, we go, we're going out
drinking, we're going to movies,going out to the beach, going
to the gym.
Just living in West Palm.
It's kind of you know, doingbeach life Like oh, this is
great and yeah.
She, me and her kind of startgoing through it because of the
(45:23):
fact of what happened, what tookplace, and she gets a little
violent and gets when she'sdrinking and ended up getting
herself into a little bit oftrouble with the law.
I proceeded to not pursue itbecause I love and care for her
and that was a pivotal point.
This is where it starts closing, because we were having fun in
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West Palm until she just startedgetting a little crazy, but her
brother still got a hold on her.
Because people are stillfollowing us in West Palm.
I'm walking around.
I have people following mewalking Like I would literally
have to double back and theywould just try to follow me to
where I'm going to, whatever I'mdoing.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
And this is legit.
You're not fucking imaginingthat.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
No, I can visually point that person out and then
do it again.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Well, there's like there's that element of where
people saying people are.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
No, this is a legit.
People are like I don't know ifit was from the government
contracts that he had.
I don't know if it was fromprivate investigators from the
family, I don't know if it wasfrom other the other families
that are trying to battle forproperty.
I couldn't tell you who thepower was or where it was coming
from, but I know it all had tostem from him and what was going
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on.
So me and her start goingthrough it and we decide to take
off from West Palm because it'sjust a little chaotic.
That opens up the door.
Me and her just start runningwild.
So running wild, I'm going intocell phone stores to like buy
new cell phones because we'regetting random text messages on
brand new phones that we bought.
(47:03):
That nobody has the number andshe's getting random messages.
So it's like how does anyonehave these numbers?
Like what's going on here and Iwould think that it's recycle
numbers or something like that.
But when I walk into the store,she's sitting there whispering
to these people.
I'm like what's going on?
And then she's commenting on,like just certain shit that like
(47:25):
I wouldn't know about.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Shit's getting froggy .
Yeah, and what do you think wasgoing on then?
Speaker 2 (47:33):
I mean, what do I think was going on?
I really believe that I believethat she was involved with it
in her brother, in like, notlike the religious, the
ritualist type things, but Ibelieve, just by proxy of it
being family, that her family ispart of it.
(47:57):
Like they know that these thethings, like the role that they
have to play, the positionthey're supposed to fill within
this, this group, and just youknow, like they're meant to have
a company that's just used forpower plays to do this.
you know what I mean.
And by getting caught up andwrapped in it, she was messing
(48:19):
things up and she was getting introuble for it.
So I think she was essentiallytrying to not ex me out of the
situation but make it likethat's not what it is, because
she hid the trust fund from mefor forever.
She tried to make it.
She always told me that, oh,her friend has trust funds, her
friends has this, and that nevergave up any information.
(48:41):
I had to diligently find outwhat was going on and it was
almost like it was wrong that Iwas questioning the situation
and what was up like how is this, this or how is that that?
And if I ask any questions,it's a problem.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
So we're in Orlando, we're kind of running and
gunning and things get a littlesketchy and it's actually
probably right around my 34thbirthday.
So this is eight months intoour relationship.
It's my 34th birthday.
I'm wanting to, I'm wanting tohave a good birthday.
(49:24):
It's I'm 34.
Yeah, I want to spend some goodtime and whatever.
And she's got some weird sexualaddictions.
So it was kind of it was kindof fun, it was.
It was a little weird, it waskind of fun.
But for my 34th birthday sheends up wanting to get a call
girl.
So we, we end up getting a callgirl, doing the dress up thing
(49:49):
and like having his big grandold birthday for me.
Okay, we're using after that.
It was a great, it was a reallygood birthday.
Um, the next day I wake up on ahotel bed $20 in my hand, while
it's gone.
Everything in the room is gone,everything's covered in water
(50:09):
and she's gone, gone,everything's covered in water,
water.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Water, like someone took water and dumped it all
over the tables, all over thestuff that was out.
Oh shit, yeah, like literallyjust covered in water.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Was it to get rid of the coke, or something?
Speaker 2 (50:27):
I.
I guess that was a deploy there, but uh yeah, I I fell asleep
and I guess when I fell asleepshe ended up taking off.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
She just hit the road , left me stuck stranded.
I had no, no way.
No, took my bank cards, tookeverything.
Oh yeah, it was a.
That was quite quite the wakeup call.
So you say, geez, yeah, I getcarried on a little bit more
after that.
But she went to a privatemental health care facility in
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Melbourne.
Now, if you know, anywhere inFlorida Florida one of the
largest space tech developmentareas is over there.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, space coast yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
And everything's totally paid for, totally
covered.
It's secretive, nothing's outthere and, uh, I kind of get
dealt, I get left, left, hungout to dry, which I am.
It's kind of understandable.
Things were hectic, like Idon't really fault her for it.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
No.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Could have.
Could have done it a little bitmore casually, Like hey, uh
there you go.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah, sometimes that's the way to do it.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Yeah, I guess I mean it was great send off,
essentially great birthdaypresent, and then the next day
it's just like I'm going to robthe blind and see you later.
So, uh, we end up talking shestays in to.
She stayed in the mental healthplace for three weeks or
(51:59):
whatnot.
I'm just making, making it,making it, making it do, really
just through the call girl thatI had met with her.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Trying to get by, get all my stuff, get back to West
Palm and then go back to NewYork.
At this point and, uh, shereaches out and it's like, well,
you can come to Melbourne, youcan come out over here and we'll
, we'll try to set something up.
Yeah, I go out, I go out thereand she actually picks me up.
I'm at the West Palm airport, Ihave a ticket, I'm going back
(52:34):
to New York and last second shepulls up.
Like I'm here, like don't goback, like to stop me,
specifically to stop me fromgoing back to New York, because
I figured it out, I'm done, likeI'm gone, I don't want to do
this.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
So she's like you can come, you can come to Melbourne
.
It's like, all right, well,what's going to happen there?
I was like she's like we'll geta place, We'll get set up,
We'll do, we'll do it.
I was like, all right, well,let's go.
More promises, Get to Melbourne.
Lo and behold, I didn't knowthat it was one of the largest
space development centers andit's that's where all of the
(53:10):
private contractors are.
It's really where everythingkind of goes goes down.
Yeah, it was a little.
The town itself was weird.
Yeah, the town itself has got areally weird vibe to it, like
it's just.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
I noticed that yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
It's kind of as well.
There's also I mean it'sFlorida, so there's a lot of
methamphetamine around- so, yougot zombies running everywhere,
especially on that coast yeah.
I set myself up like I got alittle room for rent.
She's staying in like this carefacility so she can get her
shit together because she doeshave children.
(53:48):
Yeah, I I wonder where the kidsback in.
I really want to try and worksomething out because at this
point we're kind of invested.
Even though there was a lot oftoxic stuff, I sadly want to
keep going for it out of somesense of loyalty.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah and uh, you guys are like a tornado and a
volcano.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Oh man, it was, it was, it was a little hectic.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Um, so, needless to say, is I didn't know.
I was on the space coast andit's like everything's bought
and paid for and there's such ahold over her by her brother
that he sends her to all theseplaces and it's like we end up
in these twisted places withthis, like, essentially, where
(54:33):
she can be guarded by otherpeople.
I don't even know if it's maybeher being guarded, that it
might not have been peoplewatching me.
It could have been people likemaking sure that she's okay,
like security or something.
Yeah that, because she'sinvolved with me, so it's quite
potential.
It could have been that, youknow, um so how did it all end
(54:55):
then?
Speaker 1 (54:56):
I mean, eventually, it had to just yeah it did.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Um, and the I mean visual wise being at least
Valley of Rebels, and that wasto.
I mean, we were in Melbourne.
I ended up leaving and going tofind my own work.
This isn't the end, but I leftto go find my own work.
I was doing some hurricanerelief work.
I ended up going to anotherpart of Florida.
After that, I shot to New Yorkfor a couple of weeks and was
(55:19):
kind of making ends meet, tryingto clear up some of my stuff
with my own family, because Iwas running and still doing.
I didn't really I wasn'tattending to any of that when I
was taking care of all thesethings.
So I'm in New York, I'm takingcare of myself, doing the right
thing.
Once again, she reaches out.
She reaches out.
She's in another part ofFlorida, another condo,
(55:42):
everything set up.
Come down, I come down, I'mhere for about two, three days.
I have a hotel room.
I'm like staying there, me andher kind of hooking up, and I'm
not staying with her because Idon't want to be there.
Right.
Then it kind of ends with I goback over there and she's still
using, and she ends up having adealer in the house.
(56:06):
Personally, I kind of kickedthe door open and kicked them
out.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
Did you have a dealer living with her?
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Well, just staying there, with her being there most
of the time so she can get highin supply or need, because she
just kept getting high, shenever stopped.
It didn't stop all the castthat.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
I felt Were you that guy when you were there.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, that was kind of the position I filled for
both her and her brother.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah, so now there's this other guy.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Yeah, and for her brother, essentially when it all
originally started, and then Itransitioned into her and it
felt like it was too insane,almost that you went to, it was
all supported really off oftheir money.
There was no stop to it.
Still to this day she called meand told me that recently,
(57:02):
after I got into that bit of allthe vacation, I ended up
getting arrested and now it'sdead.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
When you kick the door in, you get arrested.
I get it.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
That was the complete end to it.
That was the dead stop of therelationship, but she happened
to reach out after.
I took care of all that and letme know that her brother passed
, ended up dying from stomachcancer, which doesn't like you
said.
It doesn't make much sense.
It doesn't make much sensebecause, I researched it.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
It's a young dude, isn't it?
He was early 50s.
He was a little bit older thanme.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
He was a little bit older than her, not much.
It didn't make a lot of sensebecause I tried to research more
information about it, but itwas just the local newspaper
where he wasn't living.
It was through another wherethe company was, so it was
almost like a cover-up,essentially just to push him
(58:02):
away.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
So it's like he's gone, it doesn't get some
fucking circles, man, you startrunning in those circles.
I mean, that's like Epstein, hegot suicided, right.
At least this guy got stomachcancer.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
Whatever the fuck it was, it's a little kinder, who
knows.
I spoke and reached out to himafter me and his sister got into
RMS.
I reached out to him onFacebook and email.
He reached out because I wastrying to get some contacts in
the aerospace industry just forwork for my own construction.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
Not that he didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
He just was real standoffish.
He was just his runner to gethim drugs and do this and do
that.
Speaker 1 (58:57):
It's like you don't want to cross that.
Almost If he's got his businessworld and his business contacts
and his legit business andgovernment people and all that
stuff like he doesn't want tocross those worlds, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (59:10):
I didn't see that at first.
I just thought that that's whohe was all the time, but it
wasn't because I didn't know himin any other fashion.
Speaker 1 (59:22):
What's a fucking wild story, dude.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Yeah, it happened to all of about two years maybe.
Speaker 1 (59:33):
Yeah, the whole, thing, yeah, the whole, thing,
the whole kitten caboodle.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
But I think within six, eight months we'll do like
100K just getting high, justdoing dumb shit, running around
Orlando with her sister justspending money frivously, I
think it's a no result.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
I mean the story was interesting, thanks for sharing
it, and that was like you get apeek into I don't know that
ultra wealthy world, and then itkind of covers on some of the
defense contracting, secretsociety, shit.
I mean it doesn't your storyand your experience didn't
necessarily solve anything.
Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
No but.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I think it's just interesting to know that that's
out there.
Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yeah, I didn't expect it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
It really it opened my eyes to the fact that you
didn't live in that world, youdidn't grow up in it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
No, these said, well, like groups could really be
there and be that dark, likethat's it's really happening,
like there's that type of thingto it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
You're just a normal guy.
You come into this and you know, I believe, that there's some
fuckery going on.
There's definitely a lot offuckery that we don't know about
, and you know, I guess, themore we can learn about it in
some way.
You know, maybe somebodyactually figures out what the
fuck's going on.
(01:01:07):
Maybe we don't want to know,maybe it doesn't matter, maybe
it's who gives a fuck, but it'sinteresting and entertaining.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, it was kind of it was entertaining at a time
for me just to be involved withit because I thrive off of chaos
a little bit Like it was funfor them for the time I was in
it.
Like it was a project to figureeverything out.
It was kind of like, and itstill doesn't make sense, it's
not full circle, where it's likeI know every bit of information
(01:01:36):
or like what was really goingon or what still may really be
going on, because I don't knowif Just get back on Tinder.
Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
No, I say, we find you another one.
Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
No no.
Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Another mystery, another fucking adventure.
Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
No, that took too much out of me.
Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Well, thanks for coming on and sharing.
I appreciate it.
It was a good show andhopefully everyone learned
something from it and it'sentertaining and it's cool.
Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
And to the viewers, the listeners, thanks for tuning
in.
Stay out of trouble and we'llsee you in church Till next time
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