To Kill A Pedophile

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In this bone-chilling episode of The Redacted Podcast, we delve into the shadows where vigilante justice confronts the darkest of human depravities. We sit down with an enigmatic figure whose life, shaped by harrowing experiences in Afghanistan, has taken a turn into the realm of retribution against those who prey on the innocent.

Our guest, a former force reconnaissance marine, reveals his double life as a hunter of pedophiles, a path he's walked since witnessing unspeakable acts while serving overseas. With the precision of a soldier and the cold resolve of a man who's seen too much, he shares his methodical approach to tracking down and dealing with individuals who harm children.

From posing as vulnerable youth online to confronting the monsters face-to-face, he operates in the gray areas of justice, where the law ends and his own moral code takes over. With each account, he paints a stark picture of the psychological toll and the relentless drive that fuels his nocturnal missions.

This episode is not for the faint of heart. It's a raw look into a world where one man's quest for vengeance blurs the lines between hero and antihero. It's a tale of darkness, but also one that sheds light on the unsung battles waged in the name of protecting the voiceless.

As you listen, be warned: the content is graphic, the emotions are raw, and the reality is unsettling. But for those brave enough to peer into the abyss, this episode offers a gripping narrative that will leave you questioning the nature of justice and the lengths one will go to achieve it.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You won't know I'm coming for you until it's too
late.
There won't be a sign that I'mthere until I'm there.
And once I'm there, you can'tget away from me.
You can't escape me.
If I know your name, I knowyour face, you're done.
I will be your nightmare.
I will be the reaper that comesfor you.
You cannot get away from me.
I will be the death card.
I am the death card for thosepeople, and if anybody's

(00:28):
listening.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Knock it, the fuck off.
Thank you for tuning in to thisepisode of the Redacted Podcast
.
I am your host, matt Bender.
This interview is probably oneof the most intense interviews
I've ever done.
We just got done recording it afew hours ago and I had to kind

(00:52):
of collect my thoughts in orderto do this prologue.
Before you listen to thisepisode, there's three points I
need to address.
The first one is I definitelyneed to put a trigger warning
out there.
This interview contains verygraphic depictions and
descriptions of sexual assault,rape, violence and murder.

(01:17):
So if you're sensitive to anyof that, this is probably not
the episode for you.
It's hard, it is a hard subject, sorry.
The second point we need toaddress here is credibility.

(01:40):
So when this guest firstapproached me for the story it
sounded almost unbelievable andwe've all seen, you know, to
Catch a Predator shows like thatand there's different YouTube
channels where people go afterand kind of hunt pedophiles and

(02:00):
out them and, you know, call thepolice.
This isn't that.
This is more like Dexter.
So when I first spoke with him,I was skeptical and this is
before we recorded the interviewand the more I spoke with him

(02:23):
the things he was saying, theway he described events and
different things he's seen andexperienced, the more credible
he became.
And typically all of our guestsare anonymous, but we will
still vet them beforehand.

(02:44):
All of our guests are anonymous, but we will still vet them
beforehand.
We will still try to find somecorroborative evidence or
pictures or employee badges orthings like that so that we
don't get people coming on theshow and just giving out bad
information For this guest and,for obvious and legal reasons,

(03:12):
we didn't want any of that.
I didn't want to have anycorroborative evidence and as
you listen to it, you'llunderstand why.
Also, as you listen to thisepisode, form your own opinion
on the credibility and whetheror not what he's saying is

(03:33):
accurate, which kind of bringsme to my third point vigilante
justice and the continuingproblem we have in this country
with sex trafficking.
So I mean and it's no secret,it's all over the mainstream
media there is a sex traffickingcrisis, especially at the

(03:57):
southern border, and there'sestimates that anywhere between
200 and 500 gangs are involvedin bringing underage minors into
this country for the purpose ofsex slavery, and that's sorry,

(04:19):
that's disturbing, that'sextremely disturbing, that's
disturbing, that's extremelydisturbing.
And this guy, this guest thatwe interview, is doing something

(04:40):
about it, for lack of a betterphrase.
And there's others, as you'llhear, there's others that are,
and I mean that's no secret.
There are people like that outthere that are doing this and,
whether you think it's right orwrong, it's happening.
But it also shows the shortfallsof our government and our law
enforcement.
We shouldn't have to havepeople out there doing this.

(05:08):
This should be taken care of.
This should be solved.
But it's not, and you cananswer your own questions on why
it's not getting.
But at any rate he's out there,he's doing this.
Right or wrong, it's what'shappening and that's not our job

(05:32):
here is to determine right orwrong.
But I for one am glad thatthere are organizations and
there are private people thatare trying to fill the gaps that
the government is leavingbehind.
So, without further ado, enjoythe show.
Thanks for coming on.

(06:28):
You have a kind of a reallyinteresting and I mean I don't
know if you'd call it a hobby ora side project or a mission.
I guess hobby is kind of a dumbword.
I think it's a good mix of allof the above.

(06:50):
Yeah, yeah, and it's.
I mean.
What would you call itbasically?
What would you identify that as?

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I look at it as just like a little side job.
I think we're good with alittle side project.
I think it's a good.
It's a little project of minethat I do okay, and what is it?

Speaker 2 (07:09):
what is that kind of called or labeled?
Is that pedophile hunting, orwhat would you call that?
I?

Speaker 1 (07:17):
don't really have a specific term, I call it.
I just, I just do what I do andI go about my, my daily life,
kind of living that double life.
I got my regular lifestyle, myfamily, my job, and then my
night, my nighttime little sidejob is is going after people
that hurt children.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
And I know that we talked that you were in the
military first, so you, you knowserved so you served in the
Marines yes, I was Okay and thenyou served overseas in combat
zones.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yes, I did.
I've been to Kabul, Afghanistan, while I was serving as a force
reconnaissance Marine.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Okay, and what was that like?
What was some of your trainingand some of the experiences you
had over there?

Speaker 1 (08:11):
It was interesting.
We went over there kind ofaround the time frame when the
Afghan refugees were gettingpulled to America and we went on
a tactical response after sometroops were killed and it was
more.
We're doing a lot of just kindof foot patrols making sure
nothing happened while our ourguys were doing humanitarian
work as far as like helpingrefugees and things like that,

(08:32):
and upon entering differentvillages we saw different things
, experienced a lot of differentthings, different like fights,
combat zones and uh and like howyou and I, how you and I spoke
about when we entered the onehouse and found several men
attacking a young boy, whichkind of sparked a lot of what I
do now.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
And that's something that I think a lot of people
don't realize is kind ofculturally common in Afghanistan
or in yeah, it is,unfortunately extremely common.
What was your experiences andwhat did you kind of learn about
that?
And was that also kind of ashock to you coming from here

(09:17):
where that's not obviouslyculturally acceptable?
What was that like?

Speaker 1 (09:26):
culturally acceptable .
What was that like?
We were told about it inadvance, before we went out
there, that we may see victimsof rape, murder, things like
that.
We were told there's a highlikeliness that we would see it
over there.
However, in nine times out of10, the US troops that are in a
unit like mine are not allowedto engage those, those offenders

(09:46):
, and it's unfortunate.
But we're not allowed, um,because a lot of things.
If we're on a private missionand we go over there and see
something and we engage, that,that'll give up our mission and
then once we leave it'll turnaround and happen again.
So we're we're unfortunate.
We're not allowed to react tocertain things or are allowed to
engage certain people.
But every now and then you'llget a little time where you're

(10:06):
kind of alone and you can kindof do something quietly.
But we knew, we knew about itgoing in, we were, we were told
in advance to expect that, tosee that kind of thing, um, but
once you see it in person, it'sdefinitely a shock having to
witness it and not be able toact on it.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, and that was um yeah and that was against.
I remember when we were overthere in what was it 2002, 2003,
?
it was against the rules ofengagement.
You were not supposed to kindof involve yourself in, I guess,
what you'd call civilianmatters.

(10:43):
Exactly, if they're notattacking us, if they're not
messing with our stuff, ifthey're not doing anything
towards us or terrorism oranything like that, exactly it
could be considered a war crime.
Yeah, we were not supposed toengage them.
And I know myself and a lot ofguys just would see horrible

(11:07):
things, cure horrible things,witness horrible things and you
kind of have your hands tied andthere you are.
I mean you're strapped up, Imean you're locked and loaded.
You have the entire force ofthe United States military
behind you.
You got equipment, you gotIntel, you got air support.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
And you have full capability to do whatever you
need to do.
You just can't.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
And it's it's frustrating and I don't think
people realize how often?
I mean we would even see thingslike like they had the opium
thing going on or the poppy, youknow heroin, and that stuff was
getting made into heroin andsent back to the States and

(11:54):
killing the kids we went to highschool with Exactly.
So it's frustrating Like thisis going on right under our
noses and there's not shit wecan do about it, because we'll
end up in fucking leavenworthyeah, and it's.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
It's unfortunate.
It sucks because I feel like alot of guys that, like a lot of
vets that have killed themselvesor suffer mentally, isn't even
necessarily comorally the thingsthey saw, they couldn't stop.
It'll mess you up watchingsomebody who you know is
innocent or somebody who mayhave taken a slice of bread
because they don't have anythingover there getting murdered for
it or getting their hands cutoff or something like that.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, yeah, and that's um.
That's tough to know.
You couldn't do anything, youfeel helpless.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, you, you come home and it bothers you knowing
that, like you know, you had toleave those people over there
dealing with that and there's,and you had full capability to
help them but you couldn't.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, I think you kind of hit on a good point
there, because, well, we sawhorrific things that the people
would do over in Afghanistan inparticular.
We also I mean, we liked theinnocent people.
We wanted to save them, wewanted to help them.

(13:09):
We didn't want the regular, youknow, civilian suffering.
That's not.
That was something that washard to watch.
You know, we didn't want to seea 15-year-old girl get stoned

(13:30):
that's horrifying and not beable to do anything because in
our kind of sense and judgmentthat's not right.
We're not used to that.
We have a relatively docilesociety as far as that goes.
We don't stone people.
We don't allow the openharvesting of drugs.

(13:51):
We don't allow open pedophilia.
We don't allow a lot of thethings that they allow
culturally, unless you'reCalifornia, right?
Oh yeah, that's a whole fuckedup can of worms itself, unless
you're California, right?
Oh yeah, yeah, that's a wholefucked up can of worms itself.
Um, but yeah, that was.
That was always, uh, somethingthat I think a lot of people

(14:15):
don't understand that those ofus who went over there, that's
some of the most haunting thingsis it is.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
There's nothing more haunting than seeing especially
children in pain, which is why Ido what I do now.
It's extremely, it'll haunt you, It'll keep you up at night
knowing that you got kids athome.
But there's some kid over there, the exact same age, getting
victimized and tortured to deathand there's not a damn thing
you can do about it and you haveto watch it happen.
And it sucks when those peoplesee you and they're hoping that

(14:47):
you step in and help them butyou just can't.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
What was the first kind of encounter you had where
you would witness something likethat?

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Could you describe that a little for us?
Yeah, so the first encounter Iactually did go against the
engagement rule and I did engagethe person.
We were able to do it quietlyand have the mission
accomplished and be out of thereby the time it was realized
which we had to face that whenit came, because it eventually
came to light, but we were doinga regular patrol we heard a kid

(15:24):
crying, turning into kind oflike a pain type scream, and we
went and entered, uh, forced ourway into a building in a little
village in cabal, where wefound three grown men assaulting
a little boy, probably aboutsix or seven years old, and uh
and we, we set down our stuff.
They, as soon as we walked in,they stopped, kind of put their

(15:45):
hands up because there werethree Marines standing in there,
for Marines standing in there.
Plus, we had the rest of thefiring squad was sitting right
outside the building, cause Ihad a.
I had a team of seven guys thatwere walking through and we
went in that little room, setour stuff down and proceeded to
pretty much beat them half todeath, because if we fired a

(16:05):
shot that would cause problems,that was too loud and even even
though our rifles weresuppressed, that'll still make a
loud enough pop where it couldbe heard by where our command
center was.
We proceeded to beat themwithin damn near an inch of
their life until we resulted tojust taking out k-bars.
Once k-bars came out, we one ofthe firing guys, one of my
firing team leads removed thekid so that he wouldn't see that

(16:27):
kind of thing, wrapped him upin a little jacket that was
sitting in the room and thenthey they escorted him out of
the, out of that little building.
When we got by the time we weredone and came outside, he was
already gone.
So he went off with, got takensomewhere else in the village.
But we did God's work in thatroom and made sure that those

(16:49):
guys aren't wasting the air ofthose children in that town
anymore and got back to commandcenter.
They asked us how the patrolwent, anything to report to the
following guys, and it was likenope, everything's good, all
that's fine, and kind of kept itjust under the rug a little bit
Because we were able to engagethat quietly Until we finished
what our job was while we werethere and came home.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Wow, I mean, and everyone else that was with you
was obviously probably feelingthe same way.
Yeah, I don't think you get alot of argument Like I know how
combat units roll yeah, I don'tthink you get a lot of argument
like I know how combat unitsroll and I don't think you had a

(17:31):
lot of people saying nah, like.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
We have one guy that was a little bit leery of the
situation.
He was new, it was his firstfirst trip, first unit,
everything.
He'd only been in for probablyabout a year, he hasn't
experienced much yet, and so hewas a little bit leery on the
subject.
He didn't want to get introuble, but he was one of the
ones that waited outside for areason.
We kind of walked in, looked ateach other and kind of gave a

(17:56):
little nod of like, yeah, let'sdo this, fuck it, we have to
watch enough.
We're not going to watch thisone.
And listening to that childscream, we weren not going to
watch this one.
And listening to that childscream, we weren't going to turn
around and walk out of the roomand shut the door and let it
happen and I mean I think a lotof people I mean that would that

(18:16):
would hear this might thinkthat they would react
differently.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Either way, I think some people think they would
show restraint, and it'sprobably one of those things you
can't imagine until you're inthat situation.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, it absolutely is, because that's conversations
we've had Like what if we seethis, this kind of thing, and we
have the way we said, we wouldprobably react.
But once you're in thesituation, it's heat of the
moment.
We didn't really realizeeverything that happened until
after.
Afterwards you're like damn,that really just happened.
You know like we just did that.
Now we got to cover our asses,otherwise we're going to end up

(18:57):
in the brig and then and to theon the other side of it.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I mean there's a, there's a lot at stake there,
because you could end up in jail.
I mean you could end up andyou're going to lose your career
, you're going to, you know,lose whatever you've worked for
and you could end up in jail.
So on the other side, wheresome people think they they
might show restraint, I thinkother people that may be

(19:22):
listening to these types ofstories would think, yeah, I'd,
I'd kill the motherfucker too,but yeah, it's a, there's a lot,
there's a lot of distinct.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
So there still was.
There still was a little bit ofhesitation.
That was the first life that Iever took.
And so there still was.
There still was a little bit ofhesitation.
That was the first life that Iever took.
And so there's there's there'shesitation once the decision was
made to actually, um, end theirlife.
Um, because it was like wecould just beat them half to
death.
But once they're recovered,they're going to do the same
thing again once we're gone.
So once the decision was madeof, okay, knives are coming out,

(19:53):
then it's like like okay, thisis really happening, like are we
actually going to do this rightnow?
And there was that slighthesitation, a little look at
each other a little not reallydiscussion, because you don't
want your voice heard, but it's,where are we going to?
We're going to do this, okay,let's, let's just send it, let's
go all the way, like we'realready this far and we're going
to go and finish the job.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
We're going to go and finish the job.
Yeah, yeah, it's like MikeTyson says.
You know, everyone has a planuntil they get punched in the
face.
And I think you guys gotpunched in the face a little and
you made your decisions andit's hard to second guess.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
It's hard to sit here and second guess the decisions
and the actions that you I don'tI don't regret it at all um, it
did come back to us on base um,once we were in the states.
We were back home for probablyfour or five months and it came.
It came up, they held abattalion meeting and discussed
the situation but then neverdecided to pinpoint the marines
name.
So it was kind of like theyknew about it, they, they, they
agreed with the decision, butthey had to have some sort of

(21:00):
repercussion to prevent any kindof battalion issue.
So they kind of had thediscussion, they knew who it was
but didn't pinpoint it.
They said they didn't findwhich Marine squadron it was.
But it was pretty obvious whenwe were getting eyeballed by
command, we knew exactly they.
But it was pretty obvious whenwe were getting eyeballed by
command, we knew exactly theyknew what was happening.

(21:21):
But it gets to a point where,like they, they understood what
we did and why we did it.
You know, um, and I think a lotof people that don't experience
that, that a lot of people arelike oh, yeah, I'd kill that
motherfucker.
I think everybody wants to be,everybody wants to be the badass
, wants to be the hero, untilit's time to be the hero, and
then it's kind of now you got tosee how you're going to react
in the situation you know.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Well, yeah, that goes without saying.
I think people like to armchairquarterback situations like
this all the time and think thatthey would.
It's kind of with your story andyou know with what you do now
it's, I think it's one of thosethings that it's controversial

(22:01):
but it's hard to imagine and Ithink everyone has their thought
on it without any action behindit.
And hearing this, you know it.
I mean, I've never doneanything like like that
specifically, so it's even hardfor me to kind of wrap my head

(22:23):
around it and understand,because you know there's a lot
at stake and I mean you're,you're taking a life, yeah, and
that's, that's not somethingthat's light.
I mean taking a life of someonewho's trying to kill you.
In those situations you knowthat that our soldiers have

(22:46):
faced.
That makes a little more sense,because that's, that's a little
okay.
It it's you or it's me rightnow.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
But when you get into these right and wrong
situations, these situationswith just pure evil.
People that aren't harming you.
They weren't harming you, butit's yeah, that's a hard one.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
I think, at the end of the day, it's our job to
protect the people who can'tprotect themselves.
I think if you're a capableperson of protecting yourself
and other people, you should atall costs Like, yeah, we risked
a lot, but that little boy's notgetting hurt anymore, so would
the punishment have been worthit In our eyes?
Yes, but it's a very touchysubject.

(23:35):
You know, like I wouldn't havefrowned upon a different group
of marines walking out to savetheir career, but I would have
been more pleased if anothergroup did the same thing.
You know yeah, yeah, I mean that, and I think that's important
too is, you know, you couldn'tnecessarily judge someone for

(23:57):
not taking the same actions agroup, necessarily following
orders and not engaging it, butI think the vast majority in

(24:24):
that situation would haveprobably done something similar,
knowing the circumstances ofokay, we're quiet, we're in a
private building, there's no onehere, we can do this quietly.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
I think a lot of Marines would have done similar
actions.
Was that the first time you hadwitnessed anything like that or
was that the first time you'dtaken action, and so both okay.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Well, that was the first time I actually witnessed
like a child assault happening.
It's happened in my familybefore.
We're not gonna say like aspecific assault happening.
It's happened in my familybefore we're not going to say
like a specific family member,but it happened.
It's happened to family membersbefore in the past when I was
younger, to a seven-year-oldfamily member of mine, so I knew
of it and I and it and itbothered me and I wanted to do

(25:08):
something about it.
But I was a child.
You know there's not much Icould really do and I went in
the military at 17, and my firsttrip to Afghanistan I saw that.
So it was like, okay, this timeI could do something you know
it kind of connected.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
a dot for you.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Exactly, it was more of like.
It was kind of relieving, likeit's like okay, this is.
I wasn't able to protect thefamily member then and stop it,
but here I can.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
so I absolutely I took, I took that that
opportunity once it was handedto me, and I I'm sure that
people who do similar things towhat you do and and I've kind of
seen it that there seems to bea recurring theme of kind of

(25:57):
seen it that there there seemsto be a recurring theme of
having experienced it or havingsomeone that you, that you love,
having experienced, you know,some kind of an assault that,
yeah, it connects it to youpersonally, which drives you a
little bit more towards it,versus just doing it to be a try
to to be a good person.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
I think if you experience something, there's
that personal connection in itwhich drives you to do things
differently, whether that bemore brutally, more extensively.
Um, if you've experienced it,you take it a lot more
personally.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah, and I mean thank God there's a lot of
people out there that haven'texperienced that or haven't had
a loved one experience that, andit's hard to understand because
the feeling of helplessness I'msure you had and you know it's

(26:52):
traumatic Because that's youknow a little bit what we were
talking about witnessing thingsoverseas that you can't do
anything about.
If that goes back to yourchildhood or to a loved one, to
a family member or even toyourself, I mean that's
traumatic because you know whathappened.
You couldn't do anything or youhad't do anything or you had to

(27:14):
watch or you had to experienceand that just helplessness and
feeling like a victim and thatyou know, just doubt and
self-worth and everything thatgoes into that Laid into what
shaped you Exactly.
So it was already kind ofsomething that was top of mind.

(27:38):
Yes, and you hear about thisand you know you get your
briefings and you hear yourthings before you go into
country and you get informationand and that just had to you
know kind of right spark to thetop of your mind like, oh damn,

(27:59):
like you almost don't want tosee that.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
I mean, please, god, let me not see that yeah, you,
that's definitely a prayer thatgets sent up is I don't, I don't
want to experience it.
You know, I don't want to seeit because I know I can't do
anything.
Um, but me and me and my crew,once we were briefed, we were
kind of like, yeah, if we seethis shit, like yeah, we're
going to do something, fuck that, fuck the rules.
But then obviously we therewere several things we saw, but

(28:30):
we, we didn't it done.
We, we obviously took that.
But, um, the thing is, like you, you don't want to see it.
But if somebody's gonna see it,I'd rather it be guys like me,
because guys like me it'll we'llbe able to either do something
and if we can't do something,we'll be able to handle it
mentally better than a lot ofpeople.

(28:50):
So, like, we don't want to seeit.
We pray every day that we don'thave to witness that and I pray
every day that one day I'll beable to stop doing what I'm
doing now because it won't be aproblem anymore.
But if, as long as it's aproblem, as long as it's out
there to be seen, I want it tobe seen by guys like me that
will be able to mentallyactually handle that situation
versus somebody that's going to?
You know, drive to some sort ofsevere depression or suicide.

(29:11):
You know drive to some sort ofsevere depression or suicide,
you know.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, and I think that's important too.
Um, it's a, it's a cross tobear, yeah, that's for sure.
That's I mean I can't imagine.
And um, yeah, that's fucked up,man.
But a good way to put it is Iguess I'll take it, I'll guess

(29:40):
I'll do the dirty work, I'll getmy hands dirty, so I can
understand that.
And just, you know, fightingterrorism, for you know, in some
godforsaken country, you knowwe'll go do it, and I think
that's a common thing with allmilitary dudes and females.
To women too, I said dudes um,that's something.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
that's that you understand when you, when you
sign that dotted line.
Yeah, you understand me whereyou're taking that
responsibility for other people.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
I'll take the nightmares, I'll take the work,
I'll take the injuries.
I'll take the injuries, I'lltake the scars.
Yeah, exactly.
So in your time over there didyou have to do this more often?

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Was this something that happened again, or was that
the?
That was actually the only timethat happened with me?
I wasn't over there that long.
We were there on a tacticalresponse, so that happened
during a patrol, and then wecame home.
We were there on a tacticalresponse, so that happened

(30:51):
during a patrol and then we camehome.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
We did see several things of several different you
know types of crimes happeningthat we couldn't stop over there
.
It's not looked at as differentcrimes, but here they're very
brutal crimes.
We did see several things, butthat was the only one we engaged
before we left.
Okay, um, what other?
I mean just similar situationswith it from what I remember is
primarily young boys.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
That were being raped that's what we saw a lot, too,
when we we didn't that.
That was, I think, whatsurprised us a lot more than
anything was how many, how muchwas happening to the boys more
than girls I didn't.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I never even heard of anything happening to the girls
besides the well, they had likethat the virgin shaming, like
um, yeah, they had that weirdand I don't know exactly what it
was or if that was.
I don't think it was nationwide, but I think it was specific
villages or maybe somethingwhere they would like the.

(31:41):
It was like a ritual where theywould inspect the hymen had you
heard of that?
Yeah, of like a bride to bemarried and if you know
accusations of cheating oraccusations of things like that,
they weren't dealt with nicely.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
No.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
A lot of those girls got stoned.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, um, I I never witnessed anything happening to
a girl, which is what kind ofcaught us off guard is.
Everything we saw was withlittle boys.
What are some a lot of peopledon't understand about those
kinds of countries too?
Is the boys get from what I saw?
The a lot of people don'tunderstand about those kind of
countries too?
Is the boys get from what I sawassaulted a lot more than the
young girls over there?
Yeah, that was even the younggirls don't live a good life.

(32:23):
But young girls don't live agood life by any means.
No, they're married off aschildren and stuff.
They're not.
They don't live a good life byany means.
But as far as public rapes andassaults and things like that,
it was predominantly young boysthat we saw.
We've seen young boys gettinggrabbed up off the street and
kidnapped or taken somewhere,probably to be trafficked.

(32:43):
We've seen drug smugglinghappening, the sexual assault on
that little boy.
It was probably all little boysand drugs that we saw.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
The young boys over there don't have a good life
either.
They're kind of thrown to thewolves.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Pretty much.
Yeah, they're either raised upto be a part of the terrorist
organizations over there or theywish they were dead, or both.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
After you got home, you're back in the States.
What kind of happened then?
What did you?
What was, what were yourthoughts?
What were you thinking?
What steps did you start taking?
What things did you start doing?
How did that play out?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
I couldn't get the sound of the screams of that kid
out of my head.
It was kind of embedded.
So after that I was like I'mgoing to look into it, see if I
can do anything on this side ofthis side of the world, this
side of the spectrum as acivilian, where I have a little
bit more free range, I'm not asrestricted by Department of
Defense rules.
Where I have a little bit morefree range, I'm not as

(33:56):
restricted by Department ofDefense rules.
And so I hopped online on alittle chat website and within
five minutes I had over 30replies from men interested in
kids and I took the first.
There was one that was about 10miles from me or so from where
I lived.
I had him meet with what hethought was a child about 20

(34:18):
miles north of us, because Ididn't want it being in the same
vicinity where my family is.
I don't want to be walkingthrough Walmart one day and bump
into a family member of his orsomething.
We met at a park location.
I thought the guy was kind ofstupid, because you should kind
of catch on to.
You're not going to meet upwith a kid at a park in the
middle of the night, surroundedby woods and no cars.

(34:39):
But he, he took the, he took itand he went for it and we met
there and that one actually didnot kill.
I gave that to the police, I goteverything I needed, called a
buddy of mine who's a detective,and then I was like, hey, I got
this guy coming out here, thisis what he's here to do.
And they came in and theyarrested him.
He was prosecuted a year later,um, on several charges and it

(35:00):
turned out he had been doing itfor a long time.
They found more stuff when theyhad searched his, like
electronics and everything, um,excellent, and he was prosecuted
, I think followed the that kindof boosted a little.
That boosted my, got my bloodgoing a little bit, you know you
were posing as a young girl.

(35:21):
Yeah, the first couple, becauseI didn't know how else to go
about it at first.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
So you're posing as a young girl and on you know some
kind of a message board ordating site, something that's
local, yeah.
And you know people arereplying like, hey, let's meet
up, let that's local.
Yeah.
And you know people arereplying like, hey, let's meet
up, let's meet up, yeah.
And are you telling them theage right off the bat?
Is that kind of the bait?
Yeah, so you're posing as anunderage girl, okay.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, that was how I started because I didn't know
how else to really dive intothat.
I didn't know anybody at thetime that was doing it.
I had heard of things online,different organizations overseas
, but I didn't know how else togo about it.
But I'm like okay if I pose asa child that I know will pull
somebody in and, depending on ifthat was their first time, like
they were kind of just try andtest in the waters, or if they

(36:12):
had been doing it for a while,would depict on what I would do
to them and how would you kindof determine that?
Well, I would like.
I'd play it off Like, I think,my first couple I played off as
a kid.
Like it was like oh well, I'mnervous.
I've never been with a manbefore.
Do you know how to take care ofsomebody like me?
That kind of thing.
It's like oh yeah, I'll begentle, this is my first time,

(36:41):
but like I'll do my best kind ofthing.
And then I could kind ofpinpoint like I'd make a little
psychological comments orsomething that would kind of
pinpoint whether or not they'rebeing legit with me or not, and
once I would make adetermination whether or not I
think that they're honest Iwould depict their punishment
based on that.
And then there'd be severalwhere I'd say the same thing of
like oh, I'm not experienced,can you take care of me?
Do you have experience in careof somebody my size?

(37:01):
And it's like, yes, I've gotplenty, don't worry.
Say okay, cool You're, you'renot going to feel too good later
tonight.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Jeez, and like how fucked up is it to have to have
these conversations?
Oh, it's, it's horrifying, LikeI.
I can't imagine having to talkwith people like that.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
And you got to act it out.
You got to play the part.
Once you're in, you can't, youcan't back out.
You got to play that part.
So having to sit and chat islike the first time I ever did
was a 12 year old girl and andit's it's horrifying to think
about.
You know, it's like likethere's really a grown man out
there right now doing this, likea 35, 40 year old grown man out

(37:47):
there right now looking tovictimize a child.
And I think I did that, thatkind of route, for the first
couple months and I think in thefirst three months I racked 21
people, racked up 21 guys, 15were arrests, 14 prosecutions.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
In the first three months.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Jeez, you must have been busy.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
That's a fucking job.
Jeez, you must have been busy.
That's a fucking job.
Yeah, it became a very heavyaddiction.
Almost every other night I wastrying to find somebody.
If I wasn't at work, I wastrying to find somebody.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
If I was at work, I was on the phone trying to find
somebody to schedule somethingyou say addiction, and I think
that describes it.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, that's what it became.
It became an addiction of minebeing able to stop those kind of
people.
I was hooked, my life revolvedaround it, to the point I had to
ease up a bit because it waslike it's cutting into my family
.
I'm not spending time with mydaughter.
I'm not spending time with mywife, my son, nothing.
It was like I'm stuck, just I'mstuck on.

(38:55):
I was just doing that.
24, seven.
The second I was free, notdoing something, I was on, I was
doing it and I eased up.
My first three months it was alittle over 20 people and I
remember of those 2014 wereprosecuted.
The rest were mine, um, and Idetermined whether or not I give
.
I do give some to the policestill but I it.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
it's very dependent on the evidence that I have, if
that makes sense.
So if it's flimsy, if you know,but they're not going to be
able to prosecute, is that kindof what you're talking about
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (39:36):
If I've got picture proof and I know for a fact that
they're going to get a lot ofyears racked up, then I'll go
ahead and push that.
But if I know what they'redoing, 100 like you said.
If I know what they're doing,but I don't have enough for them
to get prosecuted, or there's.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Even the slightest people are just I mean, when
you're so obviously you'resetting this all up online,
you're chatting, do you findlike some of these people are
just fucking around, they justwant to talk about it?
This is just like a yeah,they're not going to do anything
.
I feel like there's got to be alot of that.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
It's just a virtual fantasy.
I've experienced a lot to justhave that virtual fantasy.
They don't even want pictures.
They don't want to sendpictures, they just want to have
that little role playconversation.
Those are very difficult for mebecause I can't do anything
about them.
I can't go after them because Ihave nothing to go off of.

(40:35):
I can't give them to lawenforcement.
There's nothing to go off of onit.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
It's just a matter of they're not actually breaking a
law.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yeah, no, it's just a fantasy that they just want to
talk to a child or tell a childwhat they want to do, but they
will never actually do anything.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, it's fucked up, but it doesn't meet the
criteria, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Oh, if I knew where they were, I would absolutely go
after them.
That would absolutely meet mycriteria.
Just the fact that they justwant to talk about it, yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
But not law enforcement criteria.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
No Now, given I may not kill them over it, I may not
go after their life, but I willgo after things that are
important their career.
I will mess with their life ifI could get to them.
And I've been able to trackdown one of those guys, but for
the most part it's so anonymousyou can't.
When they're just trying totalk, there's not much you can
do.
But they absolutely meet thecriteria because, at the end of

(41:41):
the day, why are you thinkingabout children?
Why is a child your fantasy?
Exactly, that shouldn't even bea fantasy to have to even want
to go talk about it.
You shouldn't have any kind ofarousal from somebody who can't
take care of themselves,somebody who needs help getting
dressed.
You shouldn't have a fantasyabout them.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
You're perpetuating the problem.
Yeah, exactly, either wayYou're not actually doing?

Speaker 1 (42:01):
anything but you're still definitely part of the
problem.
Yeah, you're part of the problem100%.
It makes it difficult, though,because I can't.
There's nothing to go after.
Given, I won't go after thosepeople as heavy if I find them,
but, like I said, I will dothings that will mess with their
life.
I may not kill them.
They had some little fantasyand by the time they meet me,

(42:22):
that fantasy is probably gonebecause I've.
Once they experience me, it'sokay.
Yeah, I'm not thinking aboutthat ever again.
I'm done, but I'm gonna maketheir life a living hell if I
find them.
Your family's going to knowwhat you're doing.
Your career is going to be shot.
Like, I will come after youwith everything, but I'm not

(42:43):
going to come after your life.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
So what was the first one that you handled on your
own?
What was, what was that onelike?
What was that?
How did that go?

Speaker 1 (42:55):
That one was that one was interesting.
That one was.
What was that one Like?
What was that?
How did that go?
That one was that one wasinteresting that one was.
It was I was meeting.
It was a 37 year old man and hewas meeting with me as a grown
man because he was interested inchild Like he's a.
He ran a big child pornographything and I had seen an ad for
his for Boudoir photography, andone of the little comments in

(43:24):
the bottom of his thing was hewas interested in meeting back
up with a mother and herdaughters.
So I was like, oh, how old arethe daughters?
I have daughters Like just kindof curious to to see if that's
what he was talking about or ifit was just some little kink
fantasy thing.
And he said that they were nineand 11.
And I was like, oh, you doboudoir photography for youth,
that's awesome.
And I played it off like yeah,I would love to have my children

(43:47):
shot like that.
And he was all about it.
And so I was like, damn, okay,that was easy.
And I found out where he wasand I asked him.
I was like, okay, that was easy.
And I found out where he wasand I asked him.
I was like, well, listen,before I have my children around
you, I would like to meet youfirst, that kind of thing,
experience like kind of see thekind of stuff you do, like that
kind of thing.
He was like, yeah, absolutely,send me his address.
And then I was kind of my firstthought was you just fucked up,

(44:09):
like you?
Just you just signed your, yourcertificate.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Was this guy not paranoid?

Speaker 1 (44:15):
No, he'd been doing it for years and never, never
really got caught.
He got too comfortable with it.
Exactly, he got very complacentand complacency pills, and that
that proved in this, in thissituation.
I went to his house, walked inthe door he had it up on a on
his TV.
His house looked like a JeffreyDahmer house.
There was one light that workedin the house.

(44:35):
The carpet was stained, thewalls had shit all over them.
There was one back bedroom thathad children's toys and ropes,
where you could see that whereassaults were happening and
things.
The sheets were stainedeverywhere and then, other than
that bed that was in that room,there was one recliner in the
house.
That was it, and it was a roomwith like fifties wallpaper.

(44:57):
It was like a disgusting likeserial killer house.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
That sounds fucking horrifying.
It was.
It was disgusting.
It smelled bad.
They brought their kids there.
Yeah, For what?

Speaker 1 (45:08):
For money?
No they.
They paid him to do umpornography shoots of their
children.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
What the fuck?
And this is I mean.
Don't give me the locationexactly, but this is in the
States.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yes, jesus, I can actually tell you the county
that situation has since beentaken care of.
That was actually in PolkCounty.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Oh my God, it was just a little north of Lakeland,
so I find it so hard to believethat parents would take their
kids in for stuff like that yeah, there was two parents that
were prosecuted in that regardand both actually the crazy part

(45:56):
is both for women.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
It was those two moms , which makes it even more
difficult.
When I was told about that was,like it's way, it's the mothers
, like that's the last you'dexpect is the one who's supposed
to be the nurturing, lovingparent.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah, but it's, it was two, it was two mothers and
this guy had you may not knowthis, but were they like strung
out, or were they single mothers, or like what was their?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
It's so hard for me to imagine that situation yeah,
and I and I did, and he had itup on his computer like I saw it
.
He had videos of him with thesechildren.
You could see the women theirfaces kind of covered, whether
they're holding up somethingover their face, but there's a
grown woman sitting in the room.
He's showing you this?

(46:48):
Yeah, because he was showing methe kind of stuff that he does
to see if I'm interested inmaking a business deal.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
I've just spoken with you on the phone but I, I
imagine just you know you're amarine, you're younger, you're
probably an intimidating lookingguy relatively and you talk
very, you know, straightforward,very authoritatively.

(47:18):
You just thought that he's likethere's no fucking way.
That was you, don't?
You don't seem the type just metalking with you that he would
trust you enough.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
But this guy must have been so whacked and
complacent yeah, and the thingis he was an older guy, about 60
years old, and the thing thatthrew me off is when I showed up
I was in all black, black BDUpants, combat boots, the whole
nines Cause I had just got donewith a different job that was
given to the police and I wasliterally in the County and I
had found him.
Reply he answered me and allthis was done within a couple

(47:52):
hours.
And reply he answered me andall this was done within a
couple hours and I went.
So I walked in.
You think, like looking at aguy like me like I'm six foot
tall, 200 pounds, covered intattoos, and I'm and I'm a
relatively intimidating lookingguy to these kind of people yeah
, and you think that I'm eitherthere to hurt you or I'm
undercover or something of thatmatter.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Well, probably like a cop it was kind of what I do?
I do have a very cop.
Look, you, look and talk like acop, and I've gotten that
before.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yeah, and this guy, he just he was nonchalant, he
didn't care.
He started showing me.
So I was like, okay, cool,this'll be fun.
I was like, all right, hey,well, let me go think about it a
little bit and I'll give you acall back.
He said, okay, cool, I walkedout to the car, got whatever I
needed, again I went back in thehouse and it was a fun night

(48:46):
for me.
What happened?
I walked back up, knocked onthe door.
He opened it and said that wasa quick decision and at that
point I didn't say another wordto him.
I grabbed him up under the neck, enough to almost pick him up
off the ground, like when I Ihad grabbed and pushed at the
same time, like at his neck, sohe kind of lifted up a little
bit, went back, fell.
I'd grabbed and pushed at thesame time, like at his neck, so
he kind of lifted up a littlebit, went back, fell.

(49:07):
Like I said, he's an oldergentleman, not gentleman, but
he's an older guy and I pickedhim up.
He hit the ground, got back upand I picked something.
I don't remember what it was.
I picked up off his counter,but I had hit him across the
side of the face with it and itlooked like it had shattered his
jaw area completely.
Looked like it had shatteredhis jaw area completely and then

(49:28):
I proceeded to beat, beat himdown, pretty much.
I beat him down and then I tookmy a bar the same one that I've
used on several people and theone that I had overseas and I
put it in his mouth.
And I need it, jesus.
So where it kind of went to,where the handle was all the way
into his mouth on a nine inchknife, jesus, To where it kind
of went to, where the handle wasall the way into his mouth on a

(49:51):
nine-inch knife.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Was this were?

Speaker 1 (49:53):
you enraged at that point, or were you just
steadfast?
No, I was just kind of doing mything.
I was kind of nonchalant aboutit, really.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Gives me like a Dexter vibe.
Yeah, it was kind of I mean.
Yeah, that's a fittingcomparison.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, yeah, and I mean how did you feel after that
Accomplished?
I mean, were you worried at all?

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Like I just fucking killed a dude here Like like.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
what I did was just illegal.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
It didn't concern me.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
You, you didn't care.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
No.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
That was more important taking this guy out.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yes, it was because him I could confirm that many,
many, many, children were beinghurt.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
I mean, obviously you took a scumbag out of the world
.
There's no doubt.
I mean, based on what you'retelling me, I didn't see any of
this, but based on what you'retelling me, you took a scumbag
out of the world.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Exactly.
He's no longer wasting the airof our children and it's and
it's weird like after probably ayear, year and two or so of
doing this, I experiencedanother guy that almost was the
exact same, which was like, oh,this is a little throwback.
Same thing.
He did shoots for children,same county and everything which

(51:21):
led me to believe they werepotentially associated with each
other.
And it turns out that the guythat I went and saw again, that
was doing a very similar thing,was significantly worse than the
first guy, the first guy thattook pictures and that kind of
thing.
This guy filmed himself doingthings to the kids and he would

(51:44):
refer to it as lessons.
He would teach kids how to dothings.
He taught an eight-year-oldlittle girl how to give head.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
That's what he was saying to me.
That's disturbing as fuck man.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
When I found this guy , I had so much stuff going on,
so many projects I was workingon, and I didn't have the time
or the energy to go in andnecessarily take his life or do
anything.
It was more like I was like I'mnot in the mood to really go
get bloody right now.
So I went ahead, I went to theplace, reviewed the content that

(52:20):
he had, and I had police onstandby for it and I went in
with one of their camerasactually and recorded as much as
I could.
Then they got the warrant,kicked his door in and went in
and arrested him and they endedup making I want to say it was
somewhere around 18 arrests offof him and it was a little child
porn ring that he was running.

(52:40):
Wow, and they ended up beingable to bust that little ring.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Wow, that's phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
It was definitely.
It was a huge, hugeaccomplishment, definitely very
large accomplishment.
By this point I had alreadybeen doing it for so long.
I had a routine, I had a setway, because in the beginning,
the first probably six months, Iwas still figuring out my like,
not the motive, but I wasfiguring out the way I wanted to
do things, how I wanted to goabout it, that kind of thing,

(53:11):
how I wanted to trap the people,like.
I was still learning a bit, youknow, like kind of figuring out
the way I'm doing things.
And by this point, with thisguy I had already had that set.
I'm already done as far as I'mconcerned.
I'm doing this.
I'm damn near'm damn nearprofessional at this.
If not, I am a professional inthis subject and I had probably

(53:32):
put 40 or so people behind barsand probably another 25 to 30 in
the ground by this point.
So I'm at this point now it'slike it's second nature to me.
I'm good at it, I know what I'mdoing, but in the beginning I
was still figuring it out.
So, like the first guy that wasdoing the child porn that I
killed, that was more of likeyeah, that happened, I feel good

(53:54):
, I'm accomplished, but how am Igoing to cover this up later?
Like I wasn't concerned, itdidn't concern me at all.
I was like, hey, I did good.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
If they find me, I don't give a fuck, I did what I
needed to do, but I was stilllearning how to successfully do
everything.
What kind of things did?

Speaker 1 (54:18):
you learn.
I learned better ways to planthe meet and greets, better ways
to find the people, better waysto assess how I'm going to
essentially ruin their life ortake it, and then better ways to
actually take the life.
That's the best route in thatsituation.
And then I kind of came down toit, like how it was, it became

(54:42):
an obsession.
It was for a long time and itwas having like I need to do
something.
That's like a signature.
You know, it's kind of weird,like little.
I was like man, I'm not likethat kind of serial killer, so I
don't want that kind of thing.
But at the same time I was likeI want something to where it
kind of signals to other peoplelike this of hey, I'm out here
looking for you and I would havelittle things that I would do

(55:04):
to them before I would taketheir life or whatever I'm going
to do.
Like my favorite thing is whenI would find somebody or get
them.
I would make them either callthe police and report themselves
or call their closest familymember and tell them before I
show them the Reaper that issitting in front of them.
Like I'm going to make themexpose the monster that they are

(55:28):
before I introduced them to themonster that I am, and most of
them opted to call the police.
They wanted to call the cops andreports the cops themselves,
but that was always the wrongdecision because, at the end of
the day, I'm going to make youcall your family, so it's.
I'm giving you the option, soyou feel like you have a choice,
but you really don't.

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And because nine times out of10, the cops aren't going to get
called.
You're going to turn upsomewhere in a hog farm or
somewhere in a lake.
You're not.
You're not calling police.
Police are not getting involvedwith you.
You're mine and I always foundit amusing Like it was a little
psycho part of me.
I found amusing watching thembreak down on the phone, having
to tell a family member Now,given my heart went out to the

(56:11):
family member that they calledbecause they have to find out
that that loved one of theirs isdoing these kinds of horrific
things.
However, I enjoyed watchingtheir face having to tell the
people, like the last one I made, do that he called his wife of
26 years.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Well, yeah, Like the last time I did that he called
his wife of 26 years.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Well, I had to tell her he had a history of sexual
assault on children.
He was one that was confident.
When he met up with me he hadsupposedly been with several
other teenagers, a couple ofgirls in the neighborhood, and
he was a teacher, so it was likea whole mix of things and he
had stories and stories onstories about supposed children
that he had had sexual relationswith.
How many were true I don't know, but as far as I'm concerned

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those are the stories he told,and there was a young girl in
his family, I think like a nieceor something like that, that he
had assaulted.
And when he called his wife, hehad told her hey, I'm here to
meet up and have sex with thischild.
I have done it this many timesin the past and I did it to this
family member.

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And then I would interrupt thephone call.
He's mine now and I'd hang up.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Jesus, I mean, that's just.
It sounds like a fucking movieLike that's just.
It sounds like a fucking movieLike that's.
That's a wild story.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
But after doing it for so long now now I still do
it a lot I mean, you still seemnonchalant in a way about it
Like methodical, like talkingwith you about it like you're
just describing, very matter offact yeah, I mean there's
there's been times but it was inthe beginning where I was like

(57:57):
I'm gonna get like in a lot oftrouble one day.
but then, after doing it enough,it just becomes like oh, it's
just a.
It's just, it's a daily task,it's just a little side thing I
like to do for fun.
Are you getting?

Speaker 2 (58:09):
complacent like the first guy.
Are you getting?

Speaker 1 (58:12):
complacent, absolutely not no.
No, the way I do things now arethe way I've always done things
the same steps, precautions,everything I still take.
I just have less thought aboutit after now.
Like now I can go home, eatmeatball sub and go to bed with

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my family, not think twice aboutit, versus before.
There would be periodic timesI'd go home and I'd sit and
think about it a little bit,like damn what if, like, he gets
found somewhere, I get introuble.
But now it's turning to a pointof, like I've gotten really
good at it.
So where it's like, yeah, I'mdoing my thing, I don't really
care and I still take the sameprecautions, I do what I got to
do and I go home at the end ofthe night and call it a day and

(58:54):
on to the next.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Have you ever been questioned?
Yes, I have.
Wow, and no evidence, or theyjust didn't follow through on it
.
No it never got followedthrough, but I have.
I have been questioned on it.
Is there an element to the factthat your victims, so to speak,

(59:19):
are pedophiles that maybe theydon't care as much?

Speaker 1 (59:26):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
So if somebody was investigating a murder, then
maybe they're not looking intoit as much because the guy was a
pedophile.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Oh, absolutely.
I think that definitely plays apart in it.
Yeah.
It's not like an honor rollstudent or something.
Exactly.
I mean, there's still thosecops out there that'll still
look heavy on it and they'rejust trying to do their job.
You know, and I respect it, butat the end of the day, get out
of my way, like I'm doing thejob that you can't do right now,
so just stay out of my way.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Let me do what I gotta do um, I've been, yeah,
I've been questioned before,though and it wasn't a matter of
more of like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
They were wondering if I knew anything about the
situation.
I wasn't a suspect of thesituation, cause I got really
good at being able to cover myass and I've been questioned
because I was at a location andit was it was.
It was interesting because itwasn't like like a cop rolled up

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right after it happened, likethey didn't get a call, they
didn't find them.
It was like a cop just pulledup to park somewhere right when
I was leaving that location andthe cop had gotten out of their
car for a minute and I don'tknow how they noticed something
was off, maybe the groundroughed up in a couple spots,
but they went back and found itand then called in that my

(01:00:51):
vehicle was at that location.
They called me.
I was like no, I just went, Ijust stopped back there for a
few minutes, like I was justpart of listening to music for a
little bit, but I had a coppull up on me right after one
time and that part my heartdropped a little bit.
I I was like damn, I'm about tobe done and but it didn't.
It didn't end up going anywhereBecause after afterwards that
guy in particular, was aregistered offender.

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So once they looked into him,saw who he was, it was kind of
easy to determine.
Okay, somebody probably didthis to him because of that and
they had assumed it was a familymember of the person he'd
assaulted, and so it kind of gotdusted under.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Wow.
So I know that there's and I'veseen videos and read about.
There's like they're justtrying to get views or you know
they're going after, I guess,what you'd almost call some

(01:01:54):
pretty lame suspects.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Some pretty lame targets.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
And they seem to be just like harassing them for
views, like going to their houseand yelling at them.
Yeah, I can't tell those kindof people you think that's just
bullshit and fluff.
Yeah, I think, does it at leastsend a message and maybe scare
some people off of it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
No, I don't think it does.
Personally, I think, ifanything, nobody really takes
them seriously, Because if I wasone of those people I wouldn't
take them seriously.
Like I feel like they gettrolled a lot online but and
guys like that need to stay outof guys like my way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
So there's other people that do what you do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Yeah, there are several.
I've experienced them.
Um, we actually it was a.
It was a weird thing.
I actually bumped into one.
We were there to do the exactsame job, but we're there for
each other because we kind ofpinned each other online I was
just gonna fucking ask that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
I was just gonna.
Did you ever come across likeanother guy who was fishing?

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Yeah, yeah, we did.
And we we met up, walked up oneach other ready to like, and we
were both like, had gear on andwe looked at each other, kind
of confused, and I was like whatthe fuck?
And I kind of called it off thebat.
I was like he's not here forthat, he's here for me.
And we were like what the fuck?
And had a quick, briefconversation about the subject
and kind of hey, this is my area, leave me the fuck alone, stay

(01:03:31):
out of my way, type thing,because a lot of guys like this,
we don't like to work together.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Yeah, it wasn't a friendly conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
No, A lot of guys that do this stuff.
We don't work together.
We don't like to work togetherbecause it's a liability.
I worked in teams in themilitary.
I, because it's a liability, Idon't like to.
I worked in teams in themilitary.
I don't want to do teams now.
I like doing my thing.
Now I can get in, get out and Idon't got to worry about
somebody else.
Or if that person slips up oneday or fucks up, now I can get
in trouble for it.
To yourself, yeah.
So we, a lot of us do our ownthing solo.

(01:03:57):
The people that work togetherusually have association with an
.
It's like a big nonprofit orsomething that's got a name
attached to it and those kind ofguys.
I respect them, I love what theydo and I would help them if I
could, like in a way that it'spossible, but we have very
different goals, like a lot ofthose kind of guys that go

(01:04:21):
overseas, they go rescuechildren, get out, do their
thing, which is needed, and Ilove that they do it.
I'm out to take the life of thepeople doing it, though, but
I've bumped in on one occasionto a guy that was out doing the
same thing, and I know of otherpeople doing it.
We just don't like.
We respect each other, but wedon't work together.
Like we know of each other.

(01:04:42):
We've talked on occasion.
We have each other'sinformation If if, say, for
example, there's something thatwe need help with.
But for the most part, we knowof each other and we know where
each other are doing differentthings and how to kind of stay
out of each other's way, if thatmakes sense.
Like I know of a guy that kindof does a lot in the Orlando
area.
I don't, I don't fuck with hisarea.

(01:05:03):
If I'm looking at something,I'll, I will reach out.
Hey, are you looking into this?
That guy's in this area, cool,there you go and vice versa, but
we stay out of each other's wayand let each other do what we
need to do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
So these guys are, I mean the, the suspects, so to
speak.
They're, then, like you and acouple other people that do what
you do might be looking at thesame people, yeah, so they make
themselves apparent yeah, it'svery possible that more than one

(01:05:38):
guy of guys like me could belooking at the same guy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
It does not happen often, but like I've like I've
only experienced it once ortwice but but it's, it's
potential.
But there's also guys that I'vegone after that they may have
never even heard of.
There's guys they go after thatI've never heard of.
But there's those guyssometimes that are a little bit
bigger fish in the sea thatsometimes we buy.
We might both be out on acharter fishing for the same

(01:06:01):
fish, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Have you ever or do you feel like you've ever gotten
the wrong guy?

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
no, you never made a mistake no so you're 1000 sure,
yeah, I don't even considergoing out you don't have the
wrong name.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
You don't have the wrong address.
No, I usually don't go to theirafter somebody unless you don't
have the wrong name.
You don't have the wrongaddress.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
No, I usually don't go to their houses.
That's a rare occasion.
I usually try to meet somewhereelse because I don't know if
their neighborhood has cameras,ring doorbells, something that
could link me there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
So you have them active and out and seeking.
So it's not like you justshowed up at some dude's house,
that had the same somebody stolehis picture from Facebook.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
I want to catch them while they're hunting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
I can imagine that that's it's probably pretty.
I wouldn't say it doesn'thappen often, but I'd probably
say that would.
If someone's like maybe alittle paranoid and you're, you
know, out there fishing andyou're like send me a picture of
you, and then they just go findsome random dude's picture.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
I've had that happen.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Yeah, and I've had that happen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I can pick those kinds of guys out of the crowd.
I can.
I reverse image search all thepictures that are sent to me.
You go online.
It's a I reverse image searchall the pictures that are sent
to me.
You go online.
I forget what the website'scalled, but you can type in
reverse image search and put inany picture that's sent to you
on it and it'll tell you wherethat picture came from or if it
has zero results, like it was apicture that's actually an
authentic picture, or if it's onany website.
It searches over 50 millionwebsites.

(01:07:41):
If that picture is on any otherplatform, anywhere, it'll come
up.
Okay, so I can kind of pinpointthose relatively quickly.
Yeah, but for the most partthose kind of guys don't send
pictures of their face.
It's usually like nude pictures.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
It's got to be disgusting.
It's got to be disgusting tonot only have to talk but see
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Yeah it is, and I don't like going to people's
house.
I like catching them in the act, you know, trying to hunt or
find something, because at theend of the day, if I go into
their house, I'm going intotheir house to take their life.
I'm not going to go to thehouse of somebody who I'm not
going to try to end and I don'tneed the risk of children or

(01:08:24):
family members being home thatare innocent, have nothing to do
with it being in the crossfireyeah, so you're.
You're more like alone in aparking lot at night yeah, I've
gotten people to meet me atbeaches, parks, hotels,
everything, yeah, just not attheir house.
I'll go to their house but Iknow for a fact it's a single
lone person, or if it's a personthat I've been vetting for a

(01:08:45):
long time and I've had time towatch their movement, find out
where they work, follow theirvehicle, see what they do on a
daily basis, that kind of thing.
Then once I find out, okay,yeah, I've been to your house a
few times, I've walked throughyour house, I know that you live
alone.
I know the layout of your homealready.
I've been in your house, I'vebeen in your job, I've been a
customer of yours at some pointjust to get to know you a little

(01:09:06):
bit.
Or I've even applied to a jobbefore and gotten a job with a
person to get close to them.
I've taken various steps to getpeople before I even consider,
so that I know for a factthere's no chance that I'm

(01:09:29):
risking the life or career ofsomebody who did nothing wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Does anyone else that's close to you know that
you do this?

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Two people in my life know about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Okay, and they're supportive.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Yeah, they know about it, but they don't know about
it okay and they're supportive.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Yeah, they, they know about it, but they don't know
about it.
If you know what I'm talkingabout, yeah, now plausible
deniability, exactly, and then Imean, you're still able to hold
a job, and yeah, you know donormal.
Yeah, I'll go out one night.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
I'll go out one night and take a life.
Next morning I'm going to BuschGardens with my daughter having
a fun family day, clocking backinto work the next day does
that worry you, that it's thateasy to switch?

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
I've thought about it in the past.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
But then I've thought about the situation dependent
thing, that a lot of lawenforcement, a lot of people
that are looking into it ifthey've seen me, I'm sure
there's some.
There's some officer or agentout there that knows of me but
respects what I do, and theykind of just stay back.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
So what's something?
So if anyone hears this, that'syou know, possibly one of your
next victims that they're intopedophilia.
They're, they're into youngkids, whatever, what.
What's something?
Before they start making thatdecision and go down that road,

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what's something you'd?
You'd want to pass a message tothem.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
You won't know I'm coming for you until it's too
late.
There won't be a sign that I'mthere until I'm there.
And once I'm there, you can'tget away from me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
So knock at the door?
Yeah, pretty much, don't godown that road is there somebody
that could be listening?

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
right now that I'm looking at I'm?
I got my eyes on a few peopleright now, so, and they won't
know until it's time to you know, say your last words.
Um, and then the thing I wouldsay to those people once I'm on
you, you can't get away, youcan't escape me.

(01:11:52):
If I know your name, I knowyour face, you're done.
There's no.
I will be your nightmare.
I will be the reaper that comesfor you.
You cannot get away from me.
I will be the death card.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
I am the death card for those people.
I mean that's yeah, knock itthe fuck off.
Yeah, stop it.
It's not a road you want to godown.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
I had a guy that caught on to me one time because
I experienced him face to face,but I let him walk because I
had the idea that it was thefirst, a first time thing.
I let him walk.
I mean, he didn't walk like inperfect condition again, but he
walked nonetheless somewhat.
Um well, he walked aftertherapy and all that, but he
walked again and he dipped outof Florida, went to Georgia.

(01:12:39):
I found out where he was and Iwent to his house and I put a
card in his uh, in his frontdoor and left, came back down to
Florida just as hey, I stillknow where you are, you can't
get away, so don't fuck up again.
Yeah, pretty much If you fuck upagain you're going to see me,
yeah, if I'm coming after you,you're not going to know until
it's too late, and once I'm onto you, you can't get away.

(01:13:01):
You're done and I've taken,like I said, vast amounts of
effort and I've done extensivethings to get close to people.
I've gotten jobs with peoplejust to learn about them.
I've gone to their place ofbusiness, became a customer,

(01:13:22):
became a regular there, just toget to know them a little bit
and then do what I got to do.
I take various large steps totake care of what I need to take
care of, but if somebody ofthat type is listening, knock it
off, because I'm not the oneyou want coming after you, and

(01:13:43):
there's other people like you.
Yes, there's a lot of peoplelike me.
There's several through thestate of Florida, several
through the country that I knowof, and they're very highly
trained people, very good.
They're good at what they do.
So if you don't want somebodylike that visiting and popping
in and saying hi to you, thenstop what you're doing before

(01:14:06):
it's too late.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
It's a fucking boogeyman story.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
I'm a nightmare for the people that hurt children.
If you don't want to suffer forthe rest of your life, if I let
you have it, don't do anythingelse.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Is there anything you'd want to say to the victims
?

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
I'm sorry for what you've gone through, and there's
guys like me that are here tohelp you, and if I haven't found
you yet, I'll get you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Uh, if there's a victim listening, somebody
that's experienced as, somebodythat's going through it, it
won't be much longer and we'llget to you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
It's a powerful message.
Well, thank you for coming onand sharing this.
Of course, I hope it reachesthe right group of people.
Yeah to to come out with all ofthat information and to share
that story.
I think is is something thatpeople need to hear I think it

(01:15:16):
absolutely is.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Um, I think it's it's important that people in their
day-to-day life understand thatthis is a very large problem,
like in the United States, inthe state and it's people that
10 times out of 10, 100% of thetime it's somebody that you
wouldn't have expected.

(01:15:40):
It's your family member.
It might be your father, yourbrother, your cousin, your
neighbor, your co-worker.
It's somebody you wouldn'texpect.
That's that's doing these kindof things.
So be careful who you let yourkids around, who you surround
yourself with, because when theycome into the light, it's going

(01:16:01):
to be somebody that's going tomake your jaw drop and and I
will bring them into the lightand I will make jaws drop but it
will be somebody that shocksyou.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Well, thanks again, man, Thanks for coming on and
hopefully this sharing this doessome good in the world, but I
appreciate it and I'm surethere's a lot of people out
there that appreciate it too.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
I hope so.
I hope it reaches who he needsto reach.
I hope it gets to where heneeds to get and sends a good
message.
I want to.
I'd like to see my numbers drop.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
I think that's like everybody's hope.
You know, like a homicidedetective, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
I'm not going to stop .
Everybody's help.
You know, like a homicidedetective, I want less homicides
.
I'm not going to stop.
I'm going to still come at itwith everything I got until it
does.
So I hope it gets to the rightpeople and if anybody's
listening, knock it, the fuckoff.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
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God bless, god bless, god bless.
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