Vibrations of the Universe and the Nature of Alien Contact

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
When I was in high school back in Plainfield
Illinois, we had this substituteteacher.
That was kind of a character.
He was famous among thestudents.
His name was Doc Levick, orjust Doc for short, and we
called him that because he had aPhD in chemistry and decided to
be a substitute teacher at ahigh school for I don't know fun

(00:22):
, I guess.
High school for I don't knowfun, I guess.
But when you walked into theclass and saw him there that day
subbing for whatever subjectyou were in this tall gray
figure, he put off this kind ofChristopher Walken-like vibe you
knew it was going to be a funclass.
He was known for proposing anddebating, sometimes for the

(00:43):
entire period, a rather oddquestion Are rocks alive?
That was the question.
The students loved to make funof him for this because of
course rocks aren't alive, right?
He would respond back to them.
Well, how do you know?

(01:03):
They're made of atoms, whichare moving.
They're born or formed, so tospeak, and they change with time
, albeit over millions of years.
So how do you define alive?
The question became legendary atPlainfield High School.
One day in class during myjunior year, after being kind of

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poked and prodded over thedebate by some of the students,
doc revealed maybe what I wouldsay is the true meaning or
purpose of that question.
For all those years, he putthat question out there to
challenge us.
What exactly makes us alive androcks not?

(01:46):
There are so many mysteries westill don't understand about the
subatomic world, consciousnessand even life itself.
Doc said that in all of hisyears teaching and studying
science, if just one of hisstudents would devote their
lives to trying to answer thatquestion and get anywhere even
close to an answer, thediscoveries that they would make

(02:08):
along the way would change theworld forever.
Today's episode focuses on thesubject of consciousness.
It's a frontier that livesinside of our own heads and we
know so little about it.
The very state of our being isa question that philosophers and
scientists have tried to answerfor thousands and thousands of

(02:29):
years and, frankly, they allcame up with nothing.
We can't see it, measure it,explain it.
We don't even have a gooddefinition for it.
So what is it?
Stay tuned and enjoy.
Okay.

(03:21):
Well, thank you for tuning into the Redacted Podcast.
My name's Matt Bender.
We have Pamela back there.
She's manning the audio board,keeping all the secrets and
making us all look good andsound good here, and we have our
guest here today who's been sogracious to come on our show and
share some experiences with usthat she's had and some

(03:41):
knowledge that she's had.
That she's had and someknowledge that she's had.
So where you kind of approachedme from, or where you came to
want to be on the show, was thatyou wanted to share both
knowledge you have andexperiences you've had with
extraterrestrials.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yes, sure, because one of my passions is to be able
to help people start to kind ofmake that transition to this
being more common and it reallyis.
It's just kind of hidden underthe blanket, yeah, so I'm really
happy to share.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
People know stuff about this and they've had
experiences and sometimesthey're maybe afraid to speak up
.
I know, especially in the pastit was like oh, that's loony,
that's loony, this is loony.
And now I think we're gettingso much more information and
legitimacy and, as you see, youknow these scientists and you

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know respected people coming outwith it and these documentaries
being made and you know eventhe, the Pentagon and the white
house or have been talking aboutit Right, and that may be
something else, weird anddifferent, I don't know.
But the fact that now it seems alittle easier to share and, um,
you know, we'd like to get yourstory and I think it's

(05:03):
important to hear as manydifferent kind of perspectives
on it as possible and to get itfrom real people.
Yeah.
Because we've heard a lot ofyou know the celebrities and the
different big people in thecommunity over the years talking
about this.
But what's the average person,so to speak?
The non-celebrity, thenon-public figure?

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Think about it.
So where did it kind of startfor you?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
When I was a child, I was very aware you could say
that there was something in theinvisible.
Aware you could say that therewas something in the invisible,
but I didn't know how to explainor describe.
I would say my first memory ofsomething very odd that I didn't
realize until much later in mylife was part of this process

(05:58):
I'm going through.
This awareness about all that'sbeen going on with me was about
when I was between five and six.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
And I remember looking out a window, there was
a heater.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
A radiator.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
A radiator that I was standing on to see out my
window and I had my nightgown onand there was nobody in the
room and I was.
I used to love to look out thewindow all the time.
I just remember I used to lookout the windows of my cars all
the time and always talk to mymom and dad like what's out

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there?
I would just be very interestedin the sky and space, just
wanting to know more.
And so I would look out thewindow at night as often as I
could.
And this one night I rememberstanding there with this heat
blowing up my nightgown and Iwas holding onto the edge of the
window frame and I saw, justout of this spark of my left eye

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, to the left of me, up at theright corner of the window, like
a big flash of light, and Ithought what was that?
And I didn't know.
I was just five and a halfRight, so I just I remember
feeling scared and I ran.
I just ran to tell my mom.
I was like I told my mom likethere's a big flash outside.

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Mom, I was like I told my mom,like there's a big flash outside
, I thought maybe there was afire or some sort of like I
don't know, some big explosionhappened.
And because it looked like whatI saw was not just like a quick
flash, it was a flash, and thenthere was like an expansion of
light.
It was like an expansion oflight that like lasted, or

(07:45):
something.
For a few seconds it it.
I didn't know how to explain itand it was.
It was like a green color and Ithought what is this, you know?

Speaker 1 (07:55):
so anyway, when I told my mom she didn't know
better at the time, but shedismissed it and basically, yeah
, you know it's time for a kidto describe that right, and it
was five, so with the vocabularyyou have at the time and now
you can visualize it and see itand maybe talk about it a little

(08:16):
more to where it's like okay,that's more of a rich thing.
I can understand what you'retalking about, but as a kid
you're like big flash of lightright you know scary and it's
sure, and I didn't make anyjudgments about it.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
I just remember at this point in my life that I
started seeing some very strangeanomalies that you know.
Today, I would probably have adifferent and I do have a
different viewpoint of what theyare and how it started some
other things around the cornerand how it started some other
things around the corner.

(08:57):
So as I moved up in my life Ihad some wonderful experiences
that kind of helped me to becomea little bit more comfortable
with being comfortable.
I guess you could say morecomfortable at a younger age at
a younger age.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
So that was five was your first memorable.
When would your next kind ofexperience have happened?

Speaker 3 (09:20):
When I was nine, okay , so there was, you know, a few
years gap that I can remember.
From what I remember, there wasa whole lot that started
opening up things in the age ofnine for me and I started
experiencing a lot more, notonly things that I would see out

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my window, in the stars, so tospeak, but I was having
experiences in my dream statethat I did not understand, okay,
and Did something change inyour life at that point to bring
this on, or was it just like aslow ramp up?
I think it's a combination ofboth, because for sure there was

(10:02):
a catalyst in my life at thattime my father had passed away
very young.
I'm sorry to hear that.
Oh, that's okay, you know itserved me in such a beautiful
way as I perceive things now.
It opened me up to a lot ofawareness.
So after he passed you know, hepassed very young and it was

(10:23):
very strange and odd from cancerright Just 30 years old, you
know, at the height of his musiccareer, and so this allowed me
to actually dive into this alittle bit more.
I was not really upset as muchbecause I was prepared.
I knew that he was sick and itwas going to happen, and I knew

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that I was going to be stillconnected.
So at that time in my life Ireally wasn't as disturbed about
it all as my siblings were,because I had conversations with
him.
I was seeing him in my dreamsstill.
I was talking with him and thesethings were happening to me on
a regular basis with him andthese things were happening to

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me on a regular basis and myfamily thought I was just weird
and odd because I didn't see himas gone.
You could say I was havingconversations, I was seeing
dreams and even though I stillexperienced a missing of his
physical self, that was oneindication that it was just a
little strange for me that, asnine years old, I was like no,
it's fine, you know, like he'sstill here and I was

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experiencing a lot of physicalthings from his connection as
well.
So a lot of strange anomalieshappening with electricity and
things just suddenly breaking infront of me physical objects,
you know, when I would ask aquestion or speak to him.
So there was a lot of thatgoing on at nine years old.
It wasn't until I was reallyabout 10 that things shifted in

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that regards for me.
I started becoming severelyafraid of just about everything.
So I think I wasn't afraid soeasily up until that point.
And then this, you know,invisible, that we can't see
with our physical eyes thatstarted becoming fearful for me
for a while.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Was it anything in particular?
That kind of set that off?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
I started having some other dreams that were feeling
like I was a little bit out ofcontrol, like I couldn't control
my body, would have dreamswhere suddenly I would be
paralyzed in the dream, like Iwas not able to move in my dream
.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Like sleep paralysis.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
You could say kind of like sleep paralysis.
Now I understand a lot of thatto be different things Like you
could be shifting.
We talk about terms likedimensions or densities.
You could be shifting thosethings and your physical self
would create the idea that youcannot move.
So there's that one possibility.

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But as a child I was veryafraid, and so these kinds of
dreams.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
So it shifted from maybe like a comfort and
something that you felt goodabout and you're still feeling
connected to your dad, butyou're still having supernatural
experiences.
And then, at some point thatshifted to fear.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Exactly, and what I want to say about that is very
important, because when Istarted feeling fear is when my
dreams and everything else Istarted taking on became much
more amplified in that regard,and that was because I was
holding so much fear.
So I was just, you know,vibrating at that level.

(13:43):
Yeah, and I wasn't getting alot of answers at that time.
I had to discover them formyself because my father had
passed and my father wasprobably very open to these
kinds of ideas.
But my mom at that time wasmaybe not as much.
She was busy with her life andshe's doing her best to try to
raise a family, and she's doingher best to try to raise a

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family.
The transition after my fatherhad passed, of why I went to
being fearful into the darkDarkness scared me, just being
in the dark, really frightenedme Like the physical dark.
Physical darkness, even closingmy eyes.
I didn't want to go to sleep atnight because I was having a
lot of experiences of thingsthat I would see and also all

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kinds of things that I could notexplain, and some of them were
darker oriented at that time,and what I realize now is that I
was attracting that to myselfbased on what I was holding.
I just became so afraid ofeverything that I was just
bringing that into my reality.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Were these all in a dream state, or were some of
these in a what you'd call aconscious state?

Speaker 3 (14:53):
It was hard for me to know at some time, but falling
asleep it was in my dream statefirst.
So what we would call the luciddream state, or what we now
call the theta state ofconsciousness, that level of
consciousness allows for, youcould say, malleability of your

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thoughts okay and this is wherea lot of um entities, spirit
entities, or you could say evenextraterrestrials that work in
these astral realms, they canplay in this level and so a lot
of the times contact ishappening.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's like a tuner.
It's like a TV with a tunerright Like you're tuned into a
certain station.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Now you can receive the signal, and so this also
allows for a sense of sometimesnot to be so sure that it was
real.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
So you don't freak out right about certain things.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
That's a good way to think about that.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Right.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Because if you were just sitting in your car and
something came to visit you andyou're like driving down the
street, that would scare theshit out of you.
Right so and it may not be,maybe even perceived as well.
Yeah.
You're not going to perceiveanything.
Yeah.
Fear and surprise and shock andanxiety.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
So if there is an intelligent way to contact a
human, if you were going towrite an instruction book on it
through some kind of a whatwould you say supernatural
frequency some people think ofas extraterrestrials, that would
be the way to do it.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
I never thought of it like that.
That's a weird way to thinkabout it.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
It's like it's actually really.
It makes so much sense.
Yeah, because through thatstate you are able to impart
ideas, thoughts, suggestions,without feeling this idea of
imposing, because we willquestion is that real?
That was just a dream.
We still, as a society, thinkthat dreams are not real, that

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all things in the dream statemust be just a dream and that
this so-called physical realityis real yeah, in the way that we
think it is of course, but itexists side by side
right with the scientists whowill tell you that's actually
just made of space.
Yeah, I mean we have.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Well, you're talking about the scientific um sure
basically how they're able toprove that most things are not
actually solid exactly there'smore negative space or empty
space within a piece of wood ora glass of water or your own
body than there is occupiedspace.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Physical reality.
In other words, has been provedscientifically that it is
fractal in nature.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Almost like a projection.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Exactly, it's a dream , or you could say, a hologram.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Now, this is just from the standpoint of what
metaphysics is talking about.
Yeah, but at that age I becamevery afraid.
I started having a lot of theseexperiences that were dark and
I was afraid to go to sleep atnight, and it was.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
It was about dark and you say dark and you're just
talking about the losing controlis what you said?
Like you don't have control?
Was there some kind of amessage, or was there some kind
of a theme to the darkness?
What was it trying to tell youor what was it showing you?

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Well, oftentimes and this wasn't every night but
during that age time, aroundnine and ten years old, I was
really starting to experiencemore and more of these you could
say dark entities that I wouldsee in my state as soon as I
closed my eyes.
Now, what I thought were darkentities, now I have a different

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perspective also, so a lot ofthe things that I would see when
I closed my eyes right off thebat were these large black eyes.
As soon as I closed my eyes, Iwould see like a face up close
and it was something that Iwould recognize today as the
typical kind of gray alien face.

(19:23):
Okay, but I didn't know what agray looked like at that age.
I'd never seen one.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Did you think it was an alien or a monster?

Speaker 3 (19:32):
No, I thought it was some sort of monster or a ghost.
I thought it was like a monster.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
And I just would see these large black eyes like
looking really close at me.
And then, of course, with allthe fear I was having, I was
associating it must be somemonster, must be some kind of
dark thing, because all the hairand my arms would stand

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straight up.
I would feel coldness around me.
I would have all thesesensations physically, along
with these visuals that were soalarming, my heart would start.
I remember laying in the bed somany times with tears coming
down my face and not wanting toeven get out of the bed to just

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tell my mom.
So I would just lay there withthe sheets tightly up to my neck
and close my eyes.
And I remember saying to myselfover and over again when I was
at this age I didn't believe, Ihad some general idea of
religion but I don't talk aboutreligion too much because it's

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not a commentary on religion butat that time my mom and my dad
had told me you know, there'sGod out there.
So at that age I was praying toGod and I would ask in the bed
please keep me safe for todayand tomorrow and the next day
and the next day.
And I would keep going until Iwould fall asleep because I
would think if I missed one day,then that would be the day they

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would get me.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
I was terrified that would be the day they would get
me.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Oh my God, yeah, I was terrified, and this was just
a misperception I had as achild, however, so the ending to
the story actually is wonderful, because it turned completely
as a 180.
Eventually.
Eventually, I started to comeout of this fear phase, of all
these things that I wasexperiencing with the, you could

(21:26):
say, the invisible, what wecannot see, and so when I was a
little older, in my teens, I hada few other experiences that
were really, really, reallystrange.
One of them being I was workingat my desk, and it was very

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late at night.
I was working on some sort ofproject I was doing.
I don't remember what theproject was, but, intensely, my
mind was focused writing,writing and writing and writing,
and I remember looking up for asecond and feeling like this

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big whoosh of like presence.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
It's being Because I can sense something.
A presence Was your desk facingout into the room.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
It was facing out against glass windows, actually
into the night.
Oh, wow so it was open.
Actually, that area was open.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Oh, that's creepy.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
But I was comfortable with that.
I would, you know, keep mylights on, you know, and I was
connected, you know, with allareas of my home and people
there and I remember lookingstraight out, sensing this
presence, and within a second,as soon as I looked into that
area, there was a flash of lightin front of my desk that it lit

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up the entire room and it was avertical pillar of light that
went from the floor to theceiling.
And inside the room inside theroom like this was inside the
room, not outside the glass infront of my desk, right where I
was perceiving so a foot infront of you or something, yeah,
less than that, I mean it wasperceiving.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
So a foot in front of you or something else.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yeah, less than that.
I mean, it was right here and Istill remember this to this day
, because the light, as soon asit, and there was no sound, it
was just this extreme pillar oflight that expanded out and
moved out to maybe just a footin width, not bigger than that,
but it was very tall.
And this, it started to formwithin a second, like it, it

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flashed and then it started toform into this physical,
something physical, physicalized, and I could see it starting to
form in front of me and I justgot scared.
I just got very scared.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
And I ran.
I just ran out of the room.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Was there any other perception to it, other than
your vision?
Was there a heat?

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Was there a?
I sensed that there was atemperature change.
Okay, but there was no othersound.
There was no flash of crackLike it wasn't lightning.
There was no, there was noflash of crack like it wasn't
lightning.
There was no, there was nobeautiful.
It was an angel.
I don't know what it was, butit started to form itself, start

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to understand how dimensionswork and densities work, which
is an important aspect of howextraterrestrials interact with
humans.
And this is such an importantpart to talk about, because we
are talking about things likedreams and lucid dreaming and
these types of states, evendaydreaming, or we can say what

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hypnotism is all about.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
And these are common things, that we are all everyday
people.
Do you think when you werewriting you were in some kind of
?
Just because you were focused,writing quiet, you know?
Almost meditative.
Yes.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Perhaps, see, because what I understand now is these
states where we are doingsomething that we love or we are
immersed in.
It is what we call thechanneling state, and the
channeling state is a vibration.
It is from 40 to 100 hertz, andthis is a very high state of
being 40 to 100 hertz.
Right, that's what we call thegamma state.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Is this a measurable frequency?

Speaker 3 (25:44):
It's a measurable frequency is that it's a
measurable frequency, but we'vetermed it as a society.
This word, channeling, is abuzzword in today's society, but
it doesn't have the samemeaning as it did a decade ago,
even because we all do it.
Channeling is a natural statewhen we're following our passion
, and sometimes time slips awayfrom us and we say, oh, my

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goodness, how did four hourspass?
It seems like I just started.
That that's a form ofchanneling.
Sometimes you're driving homeand you go, wow, I took all
these turns and things.
I don't even remember how I gothome.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
They call it flow state.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Exactly, they call it flow state.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Exactly Kind of like a success buzzword, like you
need to get in a flow stateRight and go do push-ups.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Well athletes kind of created this big buzz about it.
Right, because they get intothe zone they call it.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
This is the same thing, and actually some very
high-performing people utilizethis technique for manifesting
incredible things in their life.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
So it is a tool that you can utilize, but a lot of us
do it unconsciously.
So, channeling flow 40 to 140.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
40 to 100 hertz 40 to 100 hertz.
Is the gamma state.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
And this is something that they could connect to you
and measure.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yes, they have done it with many, many other people,
and this is something I wouldencourage anyone who's listening
?

Speaker 1 (27:12):
It's brainwaves.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
It's brainwaves and they can measure it.
So when you're following yourpassion, you're doing something
that you love to do.
You are in this state.
You are now in a state whereyou can a receive information
through the brain and thenperceive it through the
personality self differently, soyou're able to basically filter

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it yes, and identify thingsdifferently.
In other words, you basicallyopen up a whole new level of
perception.
So it's not that it didn'texist before, but now you're
able to see it.
It's kind of like TV channelsIf you're tuned to channel three
, you are seeing what's onchannel three, but if you tune

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to channel four, you are notseeing what's on channel three,
although what's on channel threesimultaneously is existing.
It's still there, it's there,you just can't see it.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
so I always like that analogy to just how little we
understand and there'sdefinitely something to
frequencies and that's a greatanalogy because it's something
people can you get that you'relike, okay, okay, the TV channel
, the radio channel is stillbroadcasting, it's still right
here, it's still all around us,but you're just not tuned, you

(28:30):
don't have the equipment, you'renot calibrated.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
I just thought that was so.
After that experience you hadwith the forming light, what
followed that?

Speaker 3 (28:46):
What followed?
That was a series ofexperiences that I began, within
myself, developing my ownintuition.
I started meeting a lot ofpeople that were doing what we
call supernatural things, thatthey were having
extraterrestrial experiencesthemselves, and I started
learning about this idea ofextraterrestrials, which You're

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meeting in person.
I met people that were havingexperiences.
I did not have any experiencesthat I knew of at that time.
I didn't know that they couldbe connected.
I just thought that they weresomething.
You didn't think, that lightthing, I didn't know that they
were could be connected.
I just thought that they weresomething Light thing, I didn't
know, I just thought it mighthave been.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Did you think it was a haunting?

Speaker 3 (29:31):
I thought it might've been a ghost.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
But at that time I didn't know what ghosts were.
I didn't have an idea of whatthe astral realm was, and so, of
course, when you don't know,maybe the first thing you might
think is fear.
Right, it's got to be somethingout to get me right.
We don't know.
So this happened to me, where Ihad the awareness, for about

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two years, of really diving deepinto understanding esoterics,
understanding spirit,understanding dimensions and
density, and I was introduced toseveral people that were doing
amazing things and I to this day.
It's mind blowing.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Where was this at Like um geographically?

Speaker 3 (30:15):
geographically in Ohio.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
So I was in my teens at that time and I had met some
people in learning about psychicability and different states of

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consciousness and immersingmyself in that awareness, so
they introduced me to severalpeople.
I went to a house with a friendwho was also very, very psychic
.
She worked at a hospital andalways could see auras of people
and would always tell me thingslike all right, I know you're
going to call.

(31:08):
She was very adept Intuitiveyeah.
Highly intuitive and in touchwith herself.
That way and I always thoughtthat was so strange she could
see my what they call an auraright, which is basically the
electromagnetic energy thatsurrounds all living things.
Okay.
So I started learning aboutthis from her and she introduced

(31:31):
me to this person.
We went drove for six hoursinto this back alley, nowhere
land where this person lived inthis little humble home with
about five different studentsthat were all adults.
Oh, wow.
And they lived together in thishome and I thought it was the
strangest thing.

(31:51):
I was actually a little bitafraid to go there, but yeah, it
sounds just from the outside alittle creepy.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
It's like that where the Oracle lives in the Matrix
and they got all those peopleinside doing all the magic.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, yeah.
So I went with my friendbecause she highly said you need
to go here.
And when she said those kind ofthings I said, all right, we're
gonna go.
So we went together and youknow, I was not more than 17 I
think at this time, and I metthis man who came to greet me at
the door, knew exactly who Iwas.

(32:26):
She had set this up right.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
And then brought me inside and there was other
students there.
This was no houses in sight formiles, just in the woods.
Yes, and she had told me alittle bit about who he was.
So he was a psychic and that hewas going to do some sort of
reading for me.
So I was open.

(32:49):
I had never had a psychicreading done.
I said, okay, sure, I'll go.
And at this place, all thesestudents that were sitting there
, very nice, beautiful people,really nice.
They offered me some tea and wewent and in the back he said
would you like to have a cup ofhot coffee?

(33:09):
I said I don't drink coffee,it's fine, I'll have some tea,
it's fine.
He passed me a cup and as hepassed me the cup, he just
looked at me for a second and hepoured the water over me.
This, you know a styrofoam cup.
It's a regular styrofoam cup.
It was not magic trick and thiswater, just plain water, turned

(33:34):
into tea, like it was justwater coming out of this whole
thing and turned into tea.
He held it in his hand for alittle bit and then he offered
it to me and I thought, okay,that's where.
Oh, I forgot to mention too, aswe were walking into the house,
all the electricity was goingcrazy, like lights were blinking
off and on.
There was static happening asboth of us walked in.

(33:55):
That freaked me out for sure.
I was just standing next to myfriend, the whole time Like a
static sound.
Like it was like shh and thelights were going on and off.
They had and everyone's just onand off.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
They had and everyone's just calm with that.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
They were all calm, as if they you know it was
normal Right, and so my friendand I just walked in and she was
also very, she was fine, but Iwas like what is going on?

Speaker 1 (34:23):
You're edgy.
How was the tea?
Was it any good?

Speaker 3 (34:26):
It was fine, I drank all of it.
How was the?

Speaker 1 (34:27):
tea.
Was it any good?
It was fine, I drank all of it.
It was normal tea.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Instant tea.
But this was a first thing thatI was like whoa, how did he do
that?
Now, I just thought he was justa very strange individual with
some abilities that I didn'tunderstand.
I was even open to the ideahe's just some sort of magician.
What's going on?
But with his students there,they were all introduced
themselves as really just reallynice people, different ages.
There was one really olderperson there, but most of them

(34:52):
were in their 20s and 30s.
Okay, so they seemed likenormal people wearing normal
clothes, like just doing normalthings, but they lived with him,
they were studying from him.
Wow.
So I didn't really know morethan what my friend Athena was
telling me, which was he's apsychic.
He's got a lot of things.
I told him about you.
He wants to meet you, he'sgoing to do a reading for you.

(35:14):
I said okay, fine, but it wasto the T.

(35:38):
I mean so much that he saidabout me.
I was like, how do you knowthat?
How do you know that?
How do you know that?
And he was using differentdivination tools.
He had some tarot cards and hehad and at that time I just I
did not know.
You know my own power.
At that time.
I just thought that he'stelling me something that I
don't really have a choice in.
It's just kind of here's what Isee and this is what's going to
happen.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
You know, and he told me many different things, and
one of them he said you know,make sure your car insurance is
paid up next month, becauseyou're probably going to get
into a little fender bender here, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
What the heck.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
And I was like, oh, you know.
So anyway, I actually onlyremember that because after this
whole experience, after I leftthis place and when I came to
understand later he was havingextraterrestrial contact with a
group of beings called theSyrians which we can go into
another topic on.

(36:31):
But I didn't understand thisnow.
But when I left that place Ikind of thought of it like, wow,
that was really strange.
He was right on so many thingsabout me.
How could he have known all ofthat?
This is my first time everhaving a psychic experience
where somebody was giving areading.
So I didn't have any idea.
But a month afterwards I hadcompletely forgotten about all

(36:53):
the little things.
Of course I had a recording,but I had forgotten about it.
And sure enough, I got into alittle car, fender bender, and
that was like, oh my goodness,like exactly on the time it was
on the 23rd, and I went back andI went okay, this is really
strange, there's something tothis, what is going on?
So it opened me up a wholebunch into this whole divine,

(37:15):
invisible idea of dimensions,psychics, especially now with
this idea of the syrianconnection with them, because I
didn't know you're saying syriansyrians, yes, so how do I spell
that?
s-i-r-i-a-n okay so the starserious now I get it yeah, let's

(37:37):
talk seriously like depth yeahdepth like.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Are we saying that?

Speaker 3 (37:42):
yes, seriously.
So I didn't understand anythingabout extraterrestrials or
beings at that time, only thevisions that I had had about
these big black eyes in my mind.
That's the only thing I knew.
But this awareness during theseyears about understanding
psychic ability and openingmyself up to these channeling
states and being able toperceive more, allowed my

(38:04):
awareness to expand as well.
More allowed my awareness toexpand as well, and this is what
I'd like to share with everyother housewife out there mother
, father, student because thisis happening on a regular basis
for ourselves.
If we take it, it's like walkingpast a buffet and you may see
it, but you don't have to put iton your plate.
You can walk right past it oryou can put it on your plate,

(38:25):
and if you put it on your plate,you're basically voting for
more of that, please, and so theuniverse will give that to you.
As we talked about earlier,when the student is ready, the
teacher appears, so situationsand circumstances begin to show
up in your life to reflect backto you what it is that you are
now desirous of knowing, wantingto understand much, much better

(38:48):
.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
And there's a lot of and I've been seeing a lot of
this there's a lot of sciencethat backs all of this
multidimensional psychic ability.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
And it's like we've always tried to categorize, I
guess, what you'd call thespiritual and the scientific,
and they each have their ownlanes.
Yes.
And that's always seemed sostrange to me, because there's a
lot of intersection.
Yes, in all of that between andeven if you want to go to the

(39:23):
traditional religions andscience, there's a lot of
intersection.
Absolutely, we make them likethey're adversarial, right, like
well, if science doesn't proveevery single thing this
religious text says, then that'sall crap.
And if the religious text sayssomething that goes against the

(39:45):
science, well then that's allcrap.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
We like to categorize things and put them in boxes.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Well, and we're also assuming that both of these
things are perfect.
We're assuming our spiritualguidance or our religious text
is perfect or we're assuming thescience knows everything and is
also perfect, and we're tryingto use them to contradict each
other instead of seeing all thishuge intersection that they

(40:12):
have and that's amazed me forsuch a long time.
And what you're talking about.
You know there is a lot of dataand science and they've done
studies and experiments anddifferent things that back a lot
of this up.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yes, especially in the last decade, there's been a
tremendous amount of researchinto the states of consciousness
and, actually in metaphysics,how consciousness affects our
physical reality, so there's alot to unpack on that subject.
But it is directly relevant towhat we're talking about and I
want to make it so common foreveryday people who are

(40:52):
listening in to understand thatthis is not a special person.
I'm not a special person thatjust has some supernatural
abilities to be able to perceivecertain things that someone
else cannot.
They absolutely can.
Everyone has the ability toperceive.
Everyone has the ability toperceive.
Everyone has the ability todream.
Everyone has the ability toalter their states of

(41:14):
consciousness, either naturallyor can be altered through plant
medicines and things that weknow of today that are being
utilized for healing benefitsand other medical benefits as
well.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
And people are always talking about like meditation.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Meditation.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
That's come up a lot and I mean just about every bit
of self-help advice I ever seeis always meditation.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Exactly, and the idea of meditation as well is
becoming much more universal,much more commonplace.
Idea of meditation as well asbecoming much more universal,
much more commonplace, it's notsomething that we think of
anymore as a society in general,because it's been out there, so
to speak, in our collectivevocabulary that you have to sit
in a lotus position and holdyour fingers like this and om

(42:02):
for two hours.
Meditation could be doing art,it could be taking a walk on the
beach, it could be writing apoem, it could be taking a
shower, that you're really justcompletely immersed in a place
of no thought.
You're just kind of being veryimportant, because when people

(42:30):
know that they too, reach thesestates every single day, on a
regular basis, they have accessto be able to reach these
so-called supernatural states,which are actually super natural
.
And this is very, veryimportant because this allowed
me to also share my story withso many people that began to
also explore on their own, whichare now doing amazing

(42:55):
channelings and connectings withso many beings that are already
there, waiting for us toconnect with them, because it's
not necessarily what we thinkabout imposing on humanity.
It's, it's not that.
There's a lot more that has notbeen explained, and these beings

(43:21):
of high consciousness that aredirectly.
They have access to us on aregular basis, and it's whether
or not we are able to perceivethem, whether we're ready to
perceive them, and when we startpreparing ourselves to become
more ready, which is essentiallythis is another big buzzword

(43:42):
today but raising your vibration.
This is what it's about thisword.
Vibration doesn't have to be,you know, hocus pocus anymore.
This is a common word andeverything is vibration.
So when we understand ourthoughts of vibration, what we
say, our words, the things thatwe are putting into our bodies,

(44:05):
all these things carry avibration, a frequency, and so
this is all about whatextraterrestrials are, the ones
of higher aspects that cancommunicate with us psychically.
All these things are all on ahigher vibration and they are
everywhere.
We have an airport happeningabove us all the time, in our

(44:27):
skies, with so many craft andships from many civilizations
that are here to observehumanity.
At this time, the awareness weare basically moving out of this
idea, of the narrative that'sbeen presented, that we've

(44:50):
adopted we believed, which waswe are alone in the universe
well, it was either.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
I think there was the are we alone?
There was that big question andthat all started maybe back in
the 40s, 50s, right, and you hadall the stuff that happened at
Roswell, and then I feel likethere's been this kind of
perception of this, um,adversarial, this fear, this.

(45:18):
You know, independence day atthe moment.
Then you had ET at the sametime, but then you had
independence day right.
Which was like they're cominghere to you know, suck up our
ocean, water or whatever theywanna do to defeat us.
And I always think like themost ridiculous and I heard
someone make the argument yearsago and I was like that makes so

(45:39):
much sense.
If whatever higher level being,higher level consciousness,
higher level technology can comehere, it could just wipe you
out.
You're not going to shoot it,you're not going to fight it,
you're not going to send a F-15after it.
It's here and it's obviouslyway more advanced and it's only

(46:05):
being observed, probably becauseit wants to be observed or
doesn't care if it's only beingobserved, probably because it
wants to be observed or doesn'tcare if it's observed, because
that thing could go fullincognito and disappear,
whatever it is.
If they're talking about likeships, like seeing the flying
things, or even physical beings,or any kind of contact like

(46:29):
what they're calling like CE5now.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
And I mean it wants to be there.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
And there's no point kind of fighting it whatever it
is.
And I mean people haveattributed hauntings.
Who knows what that is, demons,ghost.
Maybe it's all part ofsomething that we can't
understand.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
And we get scared of it.
It's like a dog.
Like a dog hears a noise beforeit knows what it is, starts
barking.
It's scared, so it doesn't know.
And then, okay, that's my ownerExactly Starts wagging in style
.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Right, it's the same old concept of being afraid of
the unknown.
Yeah.
So what I was explaining in mystory about the shift that
happened, from being so afraidof what I was perceiving at the
time and making the judgmentthat it was some dark thing
because I didn't understand itwas some dark thing because I

(47:30):
didn't understand it and thenalso being in a place now where
I can see in retrospect that wasbecause I was filtering it
through fear and having atotally different perspective
about it, understanding that asI bring in the fear vibration I
start attracting more and moreof those things to reflect to
myself.
It was interesting.
We have, you know, theopportunity in the time that

(47:51):
we're living in today, which isso profound because the drip
drip of this understanding ofthat we are not alone in the
universe and the teasing of thatthat's kind of been going on
for decades, since 1947, rightWith the Roswell incident.
That quickly got brushed up andyou know I'm not going to make

(48:13):
a commentary on the wholeRoswell incident, but that
really, as a catalyst, was thefirst real experience that our
civilization in this time andage, current time.
That was like wait, what isthat?
You know?
Oh, let's quick, quick.
So 40 years passed, you know.
We moved into 1987.

(48:33):
And then there was a lot of atthat time, a whole bunch of what
we would say today informationcoming into our world.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Was that kind of the Bob Lazar era?

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Yes, and also the time period where a lot of
starting disclosure startedcoming out.
We started having a lot of whatwe would call channelers okay,
that were beyond what EdgarCayce was doing, which was more
in the sleep state.
Edgar Cayce was a channeler inthe 1940s and 50s.

(49:07):
That was very popular and theycalled him the sleeping prophet.
He predicted a lot of things,but he was also reading from
that level of consciousness, andthe level of consciousness that
changed in the 1980s when aninflux of information started
coming through, a massive amountof channelers all over the

(49:27):
planet that were disseminatingwhat we would call galactic
consciousness, talking aboutextraterrestrials, talking about
different races of beings youcould say our galactic neighbors
and familiarizing those smallpockets of people that were
being receivers of thisinformation at that time.

(49:50):
Many of them, and some of them,are still here today.
Most of them are, and thisbecame the seed for a lot of
this information to start comingout, because this is how they
actually start to make firstcontact, you could say, with
people in general.
They start with dream states,they start with channeling
states and being able to presentinformation.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Do you think it's like a slow process?

Speaker 3 (50:16):
It doesn't have to be .

Speaker 1 (50:17):
It's one way as a collective, but you think if
they're I mean we're beingcontacted that they're
intentionally taking it slow,kind of like what we talked
about before.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Oh yeah, there's a reason for that, and that is
because if you were to haveface-to-face contact right now
with most of us, we would not beready.
Most of us would go intopsychotic shock.
Why?
Because it brings up within usthings that we have not
integrated within ourselves,things that we have not
integrated within ourselves, andso it can put you into

(50:49):
psychotic shock.
And so we prepare ourselves.
We start pre-paving the way forsociety to become an
interstellar society, and thatmeans we have to start letting
go of things that no longerserve us in our own life, start
following our passions, startletting go of the negative

(51:14):
belief systems that keep ourvibration low, yeah, and as we
do that we start lightening upour vibration Now we're more of
a match to where they are.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Say we can meet halfway yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
You're ready now?
In that sense, yes.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Have you it just kind of?
I mean, you're talking aboutthis process and stuff and it
reminds me have you seen ThreeBody Problem.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
No, I have not seen this.
Is this a movie?

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Yeah, it's a, it's a show.
Oh, okay, it's on Netflix.
Okay, but it was like it'salmost like what you're saying,
but it's like the bad scenarioof it.
Okay, and I know like a lot ofmy listeners probably saw it.
It's really popular.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Check it out.
It's, it's interesting.
I'd love to check it out, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
But they're like contacting.
They're having contact withanother race right or another
planet from some other place,and they like contact in the 70s
or something, yeah, and thenthey're like oh hey, and then I
think the other race, like someother being from that race, hops

(52:12):
on and they're like I'm theonly nice one here.
All these other people arepsychos, don't ever contact us
again.
Like pretend you didn't seethis right, but they did.
And then this thing's like comesmush you yeah but they come in
with this kind of peaceful thinglike, oh, we're coming for
peace, yeah, and you know thatobviously they had some kind of

(52:36):
nefarious intention to it.
But it was interesting becauseit's.
It's similar to what you'resaying, but it's just like a
little twist on it and it waswell written, like it was
thoughtfully written, right.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
It's a good story but such an important point that
you just brought up and it'sit's so relevant to what I'm
going to talk about, becausethere's a big fear thing
surrounding extraterrestrials inour society as a whole and you
know we can blame it on media.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Independence Day, man , so many movies, mars attacks.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
So many movies right, and so many shows that portray
the idea of connecting withbeings outside of humanity, that
they would be attackers, theywould somehow take, they would
somehow drain us of all of ourpower, and these fears are
coming out in our media forthose reasons, as many, you

(53:31):
could say, reflections ofourselves.
But essentially, what's reallyimportant is that when we
understand vibration and, as Imentioned to you that when I was
focusing on fear, I was gettingmore of that.
Another analogy I'll give youthat's really relevant to this

(53:52):
is for many years I loveanalogies, that's another word,
that's one of those funky words,they're my favorite Analogies.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah, now you made me think about it, now I won't go,
I'm not trying, it waseffortless before.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Right.
So you know this idea, what wecall the power of attraction
right, we've heard of this.
Right, it's actually not likethat.
It's more like the power ofsubtraction, because
everything's always here and now, but as we take the things that
are blocking, we allow what'snaturally coming, so we can have
a vibration of fear, and we aregoing to get more of that.

(54:32):
Many years I was terrified withcapital T of spiders and I went
through.
I mean, somebody could just saythe word and I would freak.
So, and today I'm a totallydifferent person, like I don't I
don't want one on me, but Iwould certainly not flinch and I
have picked them up and takenthem outside and this is a total

(54:55):
180 for me.
But this was because I actuallyneeded to do the so-called work
of integrating why I was soafraid of it.
But I was bringing spiders intomy reality all the time.
I would see spiders everywhere.
They would be all.
I had car crashes of spiders.
Everywhere I went, there werespiders and I couldn't
understand this for many yearsuntil I started going hey, you

(55:17):
are actually-.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
You're so scared of spiders, I was attracted.
You're inviting spiders.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
I was just being that vibration.
Wow, I was carrying a vibrationof fear of them.
So what showed up?

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Just even in the natural realm.
That's such a, it's such anobservable thing, because it is.
You see people and you see itin yourself, and I mean people
who think shit's not going towork out it doesn't work out
Right.
People who think they have badluck, keep getting bad luck.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
It's true, it's actually amplifies on itself.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
So when you say, when it rains, it pours well, yes,
and you can also.
The reciprocal is also true.
You say I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm getting well,
I'm getting stronger, I'mgetting better.
And this idea is not ponies andglitter talk positive thinking.
There's a real substance tothis and as we study the work of
Dr Bruce Lipton and so manyothers who are doing amazing

(56:10):
science with the heart and braincoherence and understanding how
the physics of the brain, howthe physics of consciousness
actually work, then weunderstand why it is that we are
creating by default.
Most of us it's just onautopilot.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Right by default.
Most of us it's just onautopilot.
But when we start to take ourpower back, we start learning
that we can create consciously.
This shifts everything.
We are no longer victims Now.
We become empowered beings andwe understand, we take
responsibility for the thingsthat are showing up, not in a
way that's like start to feelresentment and guilt, these

(56:48):
kinds of things, but theawareness of how we are creating
.
So this goes into a biggersubject of understanding.
Like you know well, why would Iever create myself to have like
this negative thing and allthat kind of stuff?
And there's a big questionbehind all that.
But there's bigger decisions.
When we talk about the I, whoare you?
But there's bigger decisions.
When we talk about the I, whoare you?
You know, we're not justtalking about the physical body,

(57:10):
we're talking about amultidimensional being.
So you are you in the physicalsense, so to speak, sitting in
front of me, but you are alsoyou that is a bigger you, that's
expanded, that is actuallycreating this physical you.
So in other words, the soul youcould say is somebody with
identity.
Your energy self is much bigger.

(57:31):
You are a spiritual being firsthaving a human experience.
It's not the other way around.
You're not a human having aspiritual experience in
something, it's opposite.
So this idea of understandingthe bigness of who you are first
of all, and that's your spirit?

Speaker 1 (57:46):
I mean, I think, people before they could
understand anything else.
That's your spirit.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Right and this is starting to come in more of
awareness, as our societyunderstands galactic
consciousness, starting tounderstand how time works, how
we create our reality and alsohow everything is vibration.
Because, from one perspective,if you think you are just a
physical body and this is allphysical and then there's only

(58:11):
physical beings in this universe, that will come and attack me
and this is one perspective.
Coming from that level, if youplay with a Ouija board and you
start saying, oh my God, what'sgoing to come through?
I don't know, let's try You'regoing to bring in entities that
will communicate with you fromthe astral realm that may be not

(58:33):
very high in vibration, becausethey're going to match what
you're, what you're requesting.
But if you come in with anempowered state, what if you go
to a ouija board happy you willattract entities from different
levels of consciousness thatwill match your vibration.
You will not meet, and anythingthat you meet, you know, in the

(58:57):
spiritual realms,extraterrestrials are
multi-dimensional as well andthey are very adept at being
able to I'm going to say usethis word very loosely
shapeshift.
So many of them in the higherrealms can take physical form if
they wish.
They can create a craft whichthey don't actually need to

(59:19):
travel in, but they would createthat because they know we kind
of need to perceive that.
So it helps to kind of createconnection.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
That's kind of what I've thought about that.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Yes, they don't actually need to travel.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yeah, if everything is frequency, that's the weird
thing.
Yes, that's come to light, andpeople have been kind of saying
and I'm like they're just doingthat for a show.
And again a lot of this,because it's what we expect.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Right A for a show and again, because it's what we
expect.
Right, a lot of this is aboutdifferent levels of
consciousness.
So there are beings on a lowerlevel of consciousness that
still use physical craft, thatstill use time portals, they
still use wormholes throughspace, and, yes, you can utilize
space in that way, and timetravel isn't really what we
think it is.
But their awareness of spaceand time is different and they

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um, those in the higher realms,don't have to necessarily
utilize that.
They just simply switchfrequencies.
There's actually no travel thattakes place, yeah, so when you
switch frequencies, it'simmediate, and so this is
actually how so-called timetravel works, but without
digressing too far down thatrabbit hole.

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In regards to extraterrestrials,many of them work this way they
will present themselves in, youcould say, a pillar of light
and then start to take shape, orsome of them may come even in
an animal.
They may show up in an animalform, yeah, in front of you, and
perceive certain things.
Many of the races that we'redealing with now are so close to

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human how they look inappearance.
When they show their physicalself, they would pass for humans
walking down the street.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Really.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
With slight differences.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Have you ever seen one?

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Yes, I have seen one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Really.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Now I have a couple that I'm always wondering in the
back of my mind what that was,but there is one that stands out
very strong for me that I'llI'll not forget and I'll share
another story, a couple ofstories as well.
And sometimes this can happenum, there are beings that kind

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of fit in with society, in otherwords, they've been here for a
while, okay.
In other words, when we talkabout open contact happening on
a global scale, we're nottalking about UFOs landing on
the White House lawn.
Okay, because that kind ofscenario is, it can happen.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
It's a little too overt.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Inevitably it would.
But contact is happening inpockets, with people first.
It's happening.
It's been happening on ourplanet for millions of years,
and with the natives on theplanet, who are not really
related to the city, atmosphereand culture.
They live in these littleisolated areas on the planet.
They have been in contact withbeings for many, many thousands

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of years on a regular basis.
They're so sure of it.
And many of these native tribes, it's ongoing, so these are in
their stories, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
It's in a lot of our stories.
It's in a lot of our storiesand a lot of whatever history we
have, right and accounts wehave, I mean people always
theorize with the Egyptians andyou know you go back to Atlantis
and these different things.
And there's a lot more to that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Than we've figured out Like we don't even know how
they built the pyramids.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Right and we're starting to have all that now
start to come to the forefrontof our consciousness.
It's being presented in newideas, new things are coming out
, new discoveries, and this iswhere we as a society can say
we're bridging the gap to how webecome living, as you could say
, space-faring citizens,citizens of planet Earth, and

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this is happening right now, in2024, as we speak, in a bigger
way it's shifting.
You can see it every day, newpeople coming on board,
disclosures coming out.
It's amazing last year that wehad this disclosure from the
government that admittedcollecting bodies okay, from

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craft and I was so shocked whenI heard that, as so many other
people were.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
And-.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
I think the people that don't follow it were like
what the fuck are they talkingabout this now?

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Exactly.
They went to go see the Barbiemovie afterwards like oh yeah,
let's go see Barbie.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
It was right around the Barbie time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
It didn't have the same impact and that doesn't.
I'm not placing a judgment, butit could be.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
It weirded me out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Because I haven't been like huge in the realm of
this.
I don't follow it closely,super closely.
Right.
But you know, you see all thisstuff coming out on the news and
they're giving pressconferences from the Pentagon
and like why the fuck are theytalking about this?
Yeah.
I thought y'all motherfuckerswere hiding this shit, right,

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and here you are talking aboutit.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Right.
So the drip, drip is turninginto more of a stream, and
that's only one aspect of it.
There's so many other areas ofdisclosure that are being
released Now.
I think it's twofold.
But this aspect for us to beable to take that information
and go, hey, I'm either going todo something with it or I'm

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just going to ignore it I thinkmany people may approach it from
the standpoint of like whoa,that's actually a little too
heavy for me to actually absorb.
I need to go to work tomorrow,I've got to go home and make
dinner for my kids and I've gota school project tomorrow.
I can't be thinking about howthat affects my history or how

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does that affect my daily life.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
So the thing is— it's a hard thing to try to convince
people of.
You have the mundane, you havethe daily Right.
You still got to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
But the interesting part is is that I don't think
anything needs to be convinced.
It's just going to be therewhere people are going to either
accept it or not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
This is not something that's going away.
This is something that'sbecoming more and more prevalent
in our daily life.
You will get to a point verysoon we will as a society where
craft being in the sky beingseen more and more and more.
I mean, how many YouTube videos?
And with the you know onset ofthe digital age that we're in,

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with people capturing video,live video, every day.
Now that's, you know,contradicted with people who are
great at Photoshop.
Also, people can say, oh, yeah,well, how?
many people are actually, youknow, creating their own you
know there's a lot of that outthere.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
That's true, yeah, but it used to be like a
picture's worth a thousand words.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Right.
And today you have to bediscerning.
On everything that you see, youhave to be like wow, maybe
that's just somebody's amazingcreation Really good AI, yeah,
yeah.
And the AI technology that wehave today is even a huge
permission slip for even more ofthat to happen, but I oh, so
you get it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
What was your encounter?

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Yes, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
So the encounter was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
I was waiting on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
I went to a festival and where there was a lot of
people.
It was a music festival, therewas a lot of people and it was
over and I was.
It was time to leave and I wasnot leaving with my group.
I went by myself and I startedwalking back and there was, to
my right, there was a pocket ofsmall what seemed like kids, you

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know, like I don't knowteenagers, something, and there
was one kid that, like froze, asI was walking and all the other
big groups of people werewalking kind of far away, so it
was just this pocket of kids.
And then there was me and Ilooked over to my right and in
this group, maybe five or six,all boys, teenagers, I would say

(01:07:42):
.
Sure, one boy was walkingtowards the tree line and then
there was a tree line and aparking lot here and started
walking in front of the groupand he just, you know, became my
attention.
First because he came out ofthe group and started looking at
his hands and his hands werelighting up, they were lit like,

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and he started freaking out.
Okay, so this person startedrunning right and I just started
looking at this like what isgoing on?
You know, is this a human?
What is going on?
So he just took off anddisappeared.
I never saw that and the restof the group followed him, you
know, but didn't, didn't freakout or anything.

(01:08:23):
But this kid started freakingout so disappeared into the tree
line.
Never saw him again but helooked directly at me.
Directly at me and like our eyeslocked right in, like like he
knew I saw him right and I'm not.
I'm not really sure what he was, but that that was definitely

(01:08:44):
not human yeah, that my handshave never done that they lit up
like a thousand suns, likethere was like a big bomb almost
in front of his hands.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
It's almost like he didn't know what was going on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
He was definitely frightened.
Yeah wow, he was definitelyfrightened, but it was almost
like I caught him.
That was kind of the feeling Igot.
I don't know what I caught himwith, but he took off running
and went into the streets.
That was like a strangeexperience.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
I was like how long ago was that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
This was in the 1990s oh wow, early 1990s.
So I'll never forget that.
And his eyes locked with minelike strange.
So, whatever, what I'm tryingto say to you is that many of
these beings that are so-calledaliens, as I was mentioning to,
are very much like humans.

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They can look just like us,except with maybe slight
differences.
Like what so?
Maybe their eyes are slightlybigger, sometimes they may have
a slight difference in eye color.
Maybe sometimes the eyes canturn black.
Have you ever seen these?

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
children with black eyes.
There's a whole bunch ofpictures and stuff with.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Sometimes there's something called the black-eyed
children.
They call them the black-eyedchildren right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Okay, bunch of pictures and stuff with the
black.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
There's something called the black eyed children,
right, okay, and sometimes thesechildren, can you know on, will
at will make their eyes turnblack, right, but it's not
always like that.
But these are different dnaaspects of themselves.
So this is another way that youcould say this extraterrestrial
consciousness is kind ofinterweaving into our society,

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because they can take on humanbodies also and then the dna can
be reflected out.
So that's one form.
As they live their life, so tospeak, in a human form, they
have all this dna, that's, youcould say, activated when
regular humans are not.
So this is one way that theycan interact with society and

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then they can have the lifetimeon Earth, you could say, to
reflect with.
So this is happening with a lotof extraterrestrial races.
They will kind of work theirway in as having a human life
experience, so that they canrelate to humans and then come
back as channeling informationto that same entity now, who's

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much older.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
So what would you say was kind of your most intense
encounter, like if I saw it orif someone else saw it, and
you'd be like holy shit.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Yeah so.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Like that holy shit moment.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Yeah, that was one experience I had in my twenties
that I was living on.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Like undeniable.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Yeah, so this, actually this was something that
just I don't I don't know howwords I have drawings of it that
I made, but I was living in ahigh rise and I was looking out
my window and had my bed alwaysfacing the window and it was on
the 11th floor, went to sleepthat night and before I went to

(01:12:06):
sleep I was hearing all kinds oflike you know sounds in my ears
, like very high pitched sounds.
Sometimes this can be just ayou know, a health thing, and
other times that's how you cansense vibration shifting.
Sometimes the inner ear is whatis the indicator of shifts in
vibration, so you'll hear thepitch changing around you, and

(01:12:29):
also you can sometimes sense avibrational change physically,
with chills and your hair standsup on your arm A lot of the
things they've associated withthe hauntings, or I've heard
haunting stories.
Right, and they'll alwaysusually mention temperature
changes and things like that,because as a vibrational, we're

(01:12:50):
receiving that, so we wouldsense it differently.
Our physical body would senseit differently through sound or
through also temperature changesand things like that.
I went to bed I was having likealmost.

(01:13:12):
It was almost like I washallucinating because I was not
remembering, like time wasstarting to become placid for me
.
So this is an interesting sideeffect for a lot of people who
have had extraterrestrialexperiences where they think
they've been gone for you know,an hour and they've been gone
for like a day and a half orlonger.
That's crazy, because time isdifferent.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
So when you're having the experience, you may be
there for five days a year,whatever doing the experience,
but you'll experience it whenyou wake up, so to speak, as
just a few seconds or a minute,so it can be that different.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
I've heard of that.
I've heard of people recountingit that way.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Like, what are you talking about?
I've only been gone like 20minutes, exactly, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
And then maybe the entire day has gone.
Where have you been?

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
I don't know.
So missing of time is usuallyrelated to these types of
incidents.
So I had gone to bed and I hadseen in my window which what I
remembered was what I thoughtwas like this can't be real.
This must be a dream I had.

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And I was sitting up in my bedsweating and there was a full
ship you and I'm calling it aship or craft.
It was a typical what we wouldcall um ufo saucer type shape
craft that had definitelydifferent colored lights that
were going back and then forthand back and forth, and it was

(01:14:45):
like right in front of my window, parked right in front of your
ship, like right in front of mywindow, parked right in front of
your shed, parked right infront, and I couldn't see the
entire thing, but I could see agood part of chunk of the front
and it was making no sound, andI was.
I caught myself sitting up in mybed and my daughter was with me
at the time, who was sleeping,and she was very small, three

(01:15:05):
years old or so, and I I sawthat I was profusely sweating
and I saw this thing out thereand I just immediately chalked
it up this is a dream, this is adream.
This is a dream.
And then I went into this state.
It's almost like I was soafraid of kind of what I was
seeing that they just kind ofhelped me.
That's what it felt like I was.

(01:15:27):
Just let's not let this be timeright now.
Let's pull this into adifferent time space where it
can be considered as a dream.
So, and this is actually howthey work.
I didn't know that at the time,but this is actually how they
work.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
How did you figure that out?

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
So I not only figured it out, but through experience
and also through the contactthat I'm having now and being
told and this information isbeing sent that this is how the
protocols work, is how theystart introducing the contact.
So if fear comes into play toomuch, they will pull it right
back into a dream state and thenmemory can also be erased, so

(01:16:08):
to speak.
It's not actually, but it'sactually filed away.
So people under hypnoticregression can start to remember
experiences that they actuallyhad.
That they may say I neverremembered that until now.
What's going on?
yeah it's there, it's juststored away somewhere.
Or this was a dream I, or thiswas a dream.

(01:16:29):
I had this was a dream, that Idon't know how this dream
happened, so in actuality, itwas actually a physical
experience.
Right?
This is happening for many ofus and for those of you out
there that are listening, thathave your own stories about.
I had this dream, I saw thiscraft, I had this.
If you doubt for one secondthat there's not a connection to

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deeper states of who you are,to that, in other words, don't
dismiss it as simply a dream.
This is what the old programwas was oh, it's just a dream,
it can't be real.
But what the science is tellingus today, through the work of
so many others, including NassimHermine, who's very, very

(01:17:16):
proficient in this understandingabout how dreams and
consciousness are basicallyreality in a different form.
It's a different form ofreality, so we just think of it
as not real because this is real, so that can't be.
So contact is happening on thislevel first and pre-paving the
way for us to have physical,open, face-to-face, touchable

(01:17:40):
contact, which has alreadyhappened in many different
places.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Have you had that yet ?

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
I'm going to say no, okay, not yet, and I'm not sure
I'm quite ready for it yet.
I'm preparing for myself,though, and I'm honest with it,
because I really would like tohave that, but I don't think I'm
quite ready yet, but I am doingwhat is needed to get myself to
that place where I feel like Ican be.

(01:18:10):
So I've been actively doing alot of things to prepare myself
for open contact in that way, inthe most physical sense, with
my awareness.
So in one sense, it's alreadyhappened, and in another sense,
it's now becoming aware that'salready happened.
Okay, and then you startallowing, when that awareness

(01:18:31):
starts to come with theknowingness, then it's able to
show up for you in that sense.
So this is for those of you whoare familiar with CE5s and Dr
Stephen Greer and all of theprotocol work that he does, and
he talks about a lot of this andthe preparation.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
So that's a good place to start.
Sure.
If you have like a, a very baseand I watched him, you know,
over a couple of years ago orsomething and it's it's a very,
I guess, easy explainable placeto start, that I mean there's
obviously more advanced andhigher level thinking.

(01:19:06):
It seems to it that you knowyou go up, but that's like a, if
you want, a beginner idea ofwhat you're talking about.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
It lays it out nice yeah it's a great, I think,
general rule of thumb to helppeople acclimate themselves to
this experience.
People acclimate themselves tothis experience.
There are some things that Ithink can be improved on with
the protocols that are in place,but it has really allowed for a

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lot of people to open up tobeing able to at least perceive
certain things out there in thesky, so to speak, revealing that
contact that can start toperceive, usually out there,
some laser pointer showingsomething moving across the sky,
way out there.
But truly contact is happeninginside all the time.

(01:19:59):
We can allow for that to be inan internal contact first, and
the communication is always thatway as well.
But as the perceiving of it, weget groups of people together
with mixed, different levels ofconsciousness, and some are
coming with not even aware thatthey're fearful, they would
never be able to withstand aship landing in these spaces,

(01:20:21):
they would run like hell, andother people would want to be in
that presence and engage withthat entity or entities, and so
that conflicting vibrationdoesn't allow for sometimes the
full-on contact that can behappening and will start to
happen more and more.

(01:20:41):
So we're getting smaller groupstogether, smaller groups of
people who know the protocols,who've done the work within
themselves to raise theirvibration, or coming from a
place of no fear, who are comingfrom a place of knowingness of
their connection to all thingsin life, and then those are
beings that are having contact.

(01:21:01):
So these smaller pockets iswhere it's really starting with
the physical, open, face-to-facecontact that will then become
bigger and grander.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
You got to take me and my wife out.
We got to try that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Absolutely, I'm actually.
I just recently started forminga group.
See, I want to see yes.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
And it's one of those things and I feel like it's
Santa Claus or some shit.
You won't see it if you don'tbelieve, and you won't believe
if you don't see it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
Well, this whole idea is really inverted.
Also, Seeing is believing isactually the opposite.
It truly is believing is seeing.
And this is again part andparcel with this idea of our
taking our power back andunderstanding our creatorship,
Because when you know it, itbecomes so.
It's kind of like if I said canyou go over there and pick up

(01:21:53):
that quarter?
Right, you wouldn't be thinkingyour way over there and going
how do I pick it?
What if something happensbetween here and there?
You just walk over and pick upthe quarter.
And this is the analogy I'mgiving for this understanding,
Because when knowingness isthere, then you start to have
this reflection show up for younow I think the average person
has such a hard time wrappingtheir head around that yeah,

(01:22:15):
especially if you're in thisidea of like like somebody who's
not experienced, who's not readin it right things happen to me
I have no control over mycircumstances exactly right, and
I understand it because I'vebeen there, we've all been there
in that some sense to feel likehelpless, like we can't create,
or how could I have any effecton my reality with my thoughts,

(01:22:39):
really.
But yet, if you start talkingabout small things, you start
talking about hey, did you knowthat you actually, you know,
helped yourself heal that muchfaster with the accelerated rate
because you started saying I amwell, I'm healing, I'm better,
and you've also probably we'veall got somebody we know of that
is that person that's like I'msick, I'm sick, I'm sick all the

(01:23:01):
time.
Life sucks, everything aroundme is so drama.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Manifesting bad things.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
And then, of course, manifesting bad shit all the
time Sure Like manifesting badthings and then, of course, just
manifesting bad shit all thetime, sure, and so then they
start, you see, that whole webjust get tangled within
themselves.
And you know people, everybodyhas somebody.
They know that's like thatright, where drama just ensues
around them, negativity, andthey're just becoming a volcano
of negative thoughts andemotions, and then, of course,

(01:23:27):
they have nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
The evidence is there , if you think about it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
The universe supports you all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Everyone can look around their lives and kind of
see the evidence of that.
Sure.
Even in just manifesting andpositive thinking and stuff like
that.
Yeah, so even on the genericand simple as you want to make
it Right, like that could evenhelp your just regular life.
So you don't care about havingany contact or anything like
that.
Yeah.

(01:23:51):
But just even in your regularlife, that seems like a better
way to live.
Yeah.
Is thinking positively,bringing good things, expecting
good things.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
But the real caveat here is it's so easy to say yes,
yes, yes, oh yeah, I create myreality.
Yeah, I get it, you know butactually do it but when you have
something show up that youdon't prefer, then we go oh, I
didn't create that.
No, no, no, no, that's, that'ssomebody else, it's bad luck,
somebody, yeah, bad luck.
or superstition, or somebodywho's got juju out for me, yeah,

(01:24:21):
things.
And we start to understand howwe create that, even though
we're not aware, we're creatingby default, right, we're
creating unconsciously a lot ofthe time and we start to move
into this idea of creatingconsciously.
We take ownership of thosethings.
Now we start moving into anempowered state of being, where
these things happen.
Now we start saying, all right,so there's a lot that goes with

(01:24:45):
this idea of being an empoweredperson, because when you raise
your vibration, that's a naturalthing that happens.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
You move from being a victim to empowered.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
What would you like to kind of round up everything?
Yeah.
And two final things I want toget out of you.
Yeah, what is something youcould direct so to understand?
Once again, we talked aboutcareer and stuff, but is there
book, YouTube, video, somethingthat you could direct so to
understand?
Once again, we talked aboutcareer and stuff, but is there?
Book YouTube video, somethingthat you could direct someone to

(01:25:15):
, that they could just maybeexplore it a little bit more
themselves to understand.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
What would you say is the easiest beginner way to
start understanding this?
Like what could they go consumeor watch or listen to?

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Yes.
So I would say two things.
There's external sources ofinformation that I would
recommend those who areinterested in wanting to learn
more, and I will give somesources for that.
And then there's the internalsource.
And the internal source happensthrough your own connection,
through a, as we mentioned,following your passions.

(01:25:51):
Why is that important?
Because that puts you in thechanneling state.
It puts you in a state ofexcitement and without that, if
you're doing drudgery, if you'rehaving where you're drained, at
the end of the day you are noton a vibrational frequency to
match these types of frequenciesthat they are giving out.

(01:26:13):
So you will not perceive thosethings, and this is a law of the
universe you cannot perceivewhat you're not.
The vibration of this goesright in hand in hand with the
law of attraction.
So it's very important tofollow your passion.
There are many different racesthat are attempting and they are
contacting humans right now.

(01:26:34):
So meditation is one wayinternally that you can start
connecting with that.
You will be given all the toolsyou'll need to be connecting
with a specific race of beingsthat everyone has connections to
, different particular racesthat they're connected with.
Then those will come forth inyour reality now.

(01:26:55):
So all appointments have alreadybeen made, so to speak, before
this and I use this word beforevery loosely this lifetime
experience.
So we've all been like allright, if I'm going to come into
awareness of this, then I'llset that up for myself beyond
the veil.
So we set up who we're going tobe born to and all these things

(01:27:17):
, and that this awareness willcome in.
So meditate, do things that youlove to do, take care of your
health, because your vibrationis important as well.
So if your health is low invibration, you know you're
putting all kinds of lowvibrational things in your body
that holds your vibration down.
So drink a lot of pure water,exercise deep breathe a lot.

(01:27:37):
That brings oxygen to yourbrain, and oxygen is a key
element in raising yourawareness.
So without that, you're justexisting on very low levels.
So these are tools you couldsay permission slips to assist
you in being able to make thatconnection internally.
Externally, I would recommendeverybody check out Basharorg.

(01:27:59):
Bashar is an entity from theSasani civilization, Tell that.
B-A-S-H-A-R dot org Okay.
B-a-s-h-a-r dot org and thereis an experiment going on right
now with humanity.
It's called the InterstellarSocial Experiment.
Okay, you could say it's afederation of different races

(01:28:41):
that are comprised of seeing ifhumanity is ready to accelerate
themselves to a faster andquicker open contact, in other
words, the way we're going, soto speak, on this timeline.
There's a momentum happeningand the probabilities would be.
Like a progress bar Kind of yeahhappening and the probabilities
would be like a progress bar,kind of yeah and so as, because
there is no.
The future.
Everything's based onprobabilities and possibilities,
and so we're shifting all thetime to different possibilities
based on what we decide and whatwe think and what we do so as a

(01:29:03):
, as a collective, we're goingdown a timeline where, within a
few years, we're really lookingat some major, major open
contact scenarios.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
Is that what they will see on that website?

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
So what they will see is the experiment of.
They can learn about what theexperiment is about.
They can take part in it, takingphysical action, contacting
their governments, being a voicebeing heard, voting for those
officials that are running foroffice.
This is also very important Tochoose to vote for those that

(01:29:36):
are on a very clear path ofdisseminating and disclosing
this truth about we are notalone in the universe, that
extraterrestrials have not onlybeen here for a long time and
have been interactive with oursociety as a whole for many,

(01:29:59):
many, many, many millennia,since, you could say, the 1947
incident and beyond.
And so much of this is relatedto another topic that Dr Stephen
Greer is very adept about, andI'll leave that for another
subject regarding technology.
But this idea of why thatoccurred now and why all of this

(01:30:23):
drip-drip is turning into a nowstream, and why it's important
that we, as everyday humans,start to integrate this
information, is it's beingtested, so to speak.
So this is what this experimentis about If the humans will
actually take physical action,which is how we ground things in
this reality, it's not just bywishing it to be so.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
So is it like a petition, or is it just like
just by wishing?

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
it to be so.
So is it like a petition or isit just like it's a series of
experiments?
It's a series of actionablesteps that can be taken for
those.
Again, it's not anything thatanyone has to do, it's simply a
choice for those, if they wishto participate, can assist our
whole collective right now andthis time, to accelerate,

(01:31:11):
becoming part of an interstellarsociety, where we also are, you
could say, citizens of planetEarth now working with other
beings in a very open way, withall kinds of things trade,
technology, awareness.
Right now it's got to be all inthe background because we as a

(01:31:33):
collective haven't quite reachedthat vibrational state.
So we're assisting on anindividual level for anyone
who's on that path already, justby being.
But we can accelerate this ifyou take actionable steps.
So what is being given throughthe?
But we can accelerate this ifyou take actionable steps.
So what is being given throughthe Interstellar Alliance of
Worlds that has created andcomposed these actionable steps?

(01:31:56):
Every single month, go toBasharorg.
You can see it all there.
If you wish to participate, youwill be able to participate and
you can find out a lot ofinformation See if it resonates
with you.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
So you think that's a good first place to start.
Yes, for someone, a beginnerthat's like man.
I've been hearing a lot aboutthis.
I just want to learn more.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
If somebody is just at the state where they're not
sure that extraterrestrial lifeexists, I would say don't start
there.
That's for those who are on thepath?

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Where do they start if they're not sure?

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
I would say look at Dr Stephen Greer's work.
There's a tremendous amount ofoverwhelming evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
I mean he's got great .

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
they put together great documentaries, not just
the documentaries, but check outhis website.
There are thousands uponthousands of whistleblower
testimonies from CIA officials.
I'm saying these wordscarefully and confidently now
because I know they're buzzwordsout there.
I'm saying these wordscarefully and confidently now
because I know they're buzzwordsout there, but I think in this
day and age that we canconfidently talk about this
thing because it's just been soprevalently talked about on all

(01:32:56):
platforms.
Now we know there's ideas ofpeople working in these
structures that have come outand talked about it and shared
their story.
Yeah, people working in thesestructures that have come out
and talked about it and sharedtheir story.
Now let that be for theindividual who's wanting more
information, to see if thatresonates with them.
I'm not here to impose any truth.

(01:33:17):
Everyone has to distill thatwithin themselves.
No one can say here's truth.
You have to distill it withinyourself to own it.
So go there.
There's a tremendous amount ofinformation for those who are
just starting out on this pathof what is extraterrestrial life
Do we really exist?
What's going on?
And also there's platforms likeGaia TV that have a tremendous

(01:33:42):
amount of you need to subscribeto that.
Yeah, there's a lot ofdocumentaries out there that
they can watch that are veryenlightening you could say that
would help because it's all tiedin with consciousness.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
metaphysics was like he was sounded like a legit dude
and he had like yeah he wasgoing into different times and
learning things from himself.
Have you heard of that?

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
yes, and, and there are several.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
He was like I want to learn how to play piano and he
would fucking like jump yeah, togo find like the hymn that
plays piano in some otherfucking reality and then he
would come back and like playsome piano.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
It's phenomenal because that's actually like
mining your Akashic records.
What they?
You know what we term these bigold term out there Akashic
records.
You know it's not actually outthere, it's in there, it's in
your DNA.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
There's like there's just so much.
We don't fucking know.
It almost makes me anxious ofhow much we don't fucking know
it almost makes me anxious ofhow much we don't fucking know,
because everything you've saidand then there's these other
layers of it and it's so hard tocategorize.
Right.
It's so hard to like, and Ithink we want to do that.

(01:35:03):
We want to like, categorize,like well, this is ghost and
this is aliens, and this isfucking fortune tellers, and
this is.
Right Psychics, and this isthat and this is that, and I
don't think we can, I don'tthink we know enough about any
of them to categorize.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
Exactly what we're doing actually.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
There's just a bunch of weird shit we don't know
going on and I think being opento it and understanding Like the
first thing we opened up withthis was like you know you're
like, this isn't real, you knowit's.
Science is showing us theselittle glimpses into things that

(01:35:44):
, like, maybe we shouldn't be soconfident that we already have
it figured out Exactly.
I think that's the big fuckinglike I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
It makes us think that the physics of the way we
think work in this so-calledworld, or even this quadrant of
the universe or galaxy, that ourphysics is going to be the same
as another area of so-calledspace.
That's, in a way, kind of asupreme arrogance.
But I think if we keep an openmind and we start to understand

(01:36:17):
how things become more fusedtogether it's not separate, it's
not, you know, isolated thatthings are actually merged, that
there's a connectivity to allthings this is what's happening
in our consciousness actually,as a collective is that we're
starting to understand how ourconnectedness is all things, not
separative, not isolated, as wethought, and so the reflection

(01:36:42):
then is, of course, galacticconsciousness, of course we are
aspects of ourself and all theseareas of life, and now we start
to have this reflection.
So these beings are many, manythousands.
You could say there are over400,000 different races.

(01:37:02):
You could say that look prettymuch like just in this quadrant
of the galaxy alone, that'sweird Over 400,000.
And many of them are parked inour atmosphere, you know, above
the Earth just observing.
We don't see them all, butsometimes we're getting leaks in

(01:37:23):
through different photos andvideos and things like that.
But they are all herewitnessing this shift, because
humanity itself Did you saywitnessing this shit?
I didn't.
I hope I didn't say that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
No, no, no no.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
Just to be funny.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
They see all this stuff going on and they're like
that's true, Actually that'sprobably a very true concept.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
They just witnessed this shit.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
These motherfuckers?
Wait, what are they doing now?

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
Yeah, they're witnessing all this shit.
I should enunciate better Shift.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Well, I think a lot of people could agree with the
latter.
That's almost as hard to say asdepth the way shit goes with
the government and every othergoddamn thing people just be
like okay whatever.
Somebody else figure this out.
Yeah, we can't do this.
Aliens, come on in.
Yes, give us a hand.
Well, um, I thank you forcoming on today.
This was really enlightening.

(01:38:18):
Yeah, thanks for having meReally good and, um, hopefully
you know some people out therecan get some knowledge of this
and a little more understandingand, uh, and we appreciate your
time.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
Yeah, thanks so much for having me Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
And to the audience out there.
Thanks for tuning in.
Stay out of trouble, We'll seeyou in church.
The Redacted Podcast isproduced by myself, Matt Bender,
and my wife, Pamela Bender.
Make sure to go out there andgive us a like, a share, share
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