Warner Bros Discovery Plans on Restructuring for 2025

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This is of course film news film podcast. Let's just jump right into the film news because we got some heavy shit going on right now
This one hits hard. This one hits really hard for this first one
David Lynch, that's right David Lynch
writer director of
famous movies and television series like twins Peaks blue velvet

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elephant man the original dude like
The list goes on head erase her head the list goes on man, but he passed fuck
This one hits hard for us because he's one of our favorite writers and directors
So yeah, he passed away at 78 a man was a visionary of bringing modern new war
mixed with black comedy like this man was just a visionary of

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just
Capturing a certain new genre, but this guy
That nobody else could capture and you do not fuck with this man's picture or ideas or vision
You do not fuck with this man's vision and you absolutely did not tell this man
How many minutes he's running on a shoot?

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If you tell him we need to cut it you're gonna get yelled at oh, yeah
We got a clip right here just for that. This is like one of his like
Most like popular clips about him just going off on this poor woman because she's bringing up the minutes
of how much they're running yeah, yeah we'll show it

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What is this with everybody
What is it really?
I'm serious
Fucking A man and drives me nuts who gives a fucking shit how long a scene is
Dude he's not wrong that's the thing he's not wrong man
For real when you're working with a director or any filmmaker you want to get the best products or a creation allow them to have the time they need

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Yeah, they say like they're unfortunately person's trying to count the seconds or the minutes
He's like I'll go fuck about the minutes right like let me just shoot the damn scene
Like fuck man cuz no one's bitching when the movie comes out good. No no one bitches about that cuz they're getting the money you want
I feel like David Lynch is the modern John Ford and that's why it made sense for him to play

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Oh, yeah, yeah in the tan and bombs no absolutely absolutely
But yes is sad is very sad that this man passed away
Did they say what cause emphysema emphysema emphysema so yeah, that's really unfortunate. That's a heavy hitter for us though
For real legend in the film industry so definitely definitely be missed

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Going over our next film news topic what we have here
Trailers trailers trailers a lot of trailers have been released this week coming up
I mean it's the beginning of the year so of course every film studio wants to show what they're gonna provide
For their big blockbuster their big film for the year, so yeah, we got a rundown to some of these trailers man until dawn
Yes, the video game that's now being turned into a film. We finally got the first release trailer for it

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How do you guys feel about that one?
Yeah, I mean I
Mean I'm this is that what is this the second PlayStation?
Production studios movie because I think the first one was uncharted right it was uncharted movie not
Physician productions yeah
Because that was the one big thing I noticed that big old place in productions

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And it's interesting yeah, and it's interesting with until dawn too because it doesn't really directly no no Gran Turismo oh
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's a third one. Okay. Yeah, yeah the whole lineup of them, but with until dawn. It's pretty interesting
It's creating this
Groundhog day like you know happy death day

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Yeah, and has L it have really has like the elements of like that video game dead by daylight where it's like every single
Retrial run it's a new killer. Yeah, but one thing I pointed out earlier was that what you didn't even know was it's technically a franchise
Yeah, I didn't know that it was franchise
I only knew that the original first title and yes because they never marketed as an until dawn game

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Yeah, it was just a call something else. I was more familiar with their dark pictures anthologies
You know like metal Madonna and stuff like that yes
but it looks like they took out elements from the franchise itself and with
Bits at least what it looks like from the shadows of other you know their anthology series

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Yeah, or maybe but might be everything from the entire franchise. I don't know yet
I was about to say because throughout the I've never I have
Because I've followed a little bit of until dawn mm-hmm so like I know of the windigo one
so and from the trailer that I've seen it showed elements of like
At least like the mouth wise like bangs got it windigo type thing kind of thing and

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I kind of like the lineup of how it's kind of done instead of just being like
Unlinear thing where it's like oh, okay, everyone just dies one after the other
time until there's like two survivors because there's always two survivors, you know and
By taking that and then flipping it into okay
Everybody dies until the sand runs out and then it starts over then everyone's back alive again kind of fills in one

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The trope of starting the game over trying to do something different each time and then to
something of a certain theme instead of sticking to one particular theme and since there's like
Multiple versions because there's like three right mm-hmm
There's whatever yeah, so since if there's three then it kind of fills in like alright instead of trying to have to
Choose one particular game or something to focus on or antagonist then it's like okay

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If we reverse if we reverse it to where you have to start the day over again and try to live until dawn
Then it's a new killer each time. Yeah, then it's like okay
You can kind of expand a little bit more and add more as much of your IP as possible
You can cover more ground materia of the IP to implement into your story without it feeling crammed

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Yeah, and I kind of like that too because like as you're starting the day over and trying to survive
It's not the same threat. It's someone entirely different. Yeah, and
where it goes from like one person who's masked or
Weird creatures. I mean we saw a silhouette of some huge troll like yeah
Yeah in the rain then it's like oh, yeah

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in the rain then it's like okay like
the the gap from
regular person to
weird
type of anthology yeah or
Pantheon esque troll troll is just like vast
So it's just that just kind of sets the bar of like this could be your antagonist can be anyone and anything

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And so I think that's pretty interesting. It looks interesting. Yeah, yeah, but what do you feel about that?
Daredevil born-again trailer
Yeah, that was it that was it guys
God I'm getting my Netflix daredevil again
dude, that's Netflix daredevil was
Pete like just yeah. Yeah, yes. Yes. Yeah. Oh my god

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Yeah, cuz it gave us something that we grew up as kids and
No, no
I'm talking about we grew up as kids watching this the superhero, you know, the daredevil Punisher
Yeah, but now as we go older, you know, obviously we don't want to stick to watching the same thing over and over again
Mm-hmm. We want to mature it up. Yeah, exactly what we got. Yeah. No, it was beautiful

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I think the trailer of this is so freaking cool
Seeing all the original cast again. Yeah, I love how there's no
Re recasting everyone's the same. I like they didn't just start all over with a story
It's like no all that happened. So we're just gonna keep moving forward. Yeah. Yeah, and all the like the little hints everywhere

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bringing back
Bring it back bullseye. Oh, yeah
Love that guy love the character who played him in the last season of daredevil love that
I loved how they brought back for a froggy or foggy foggy
I know I say froggy I love how they brought back freakin Punisher as well just overall

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showing respect to the franchise that existed before
This Marvel franchise. Yes, you know like just showing respect for that Netflix
No, what I like about it about actually with that one look just one little split scene a split second
Which you see is when he cracks leg. Oh
Yeah, dude, oh my god
Just shows a hand combat

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We don't normally like obviously not more films. They have the hand-to-hand combat
Yeah, but it always just punching kicking they fall to the ground and that's it. That's it
You don't know that brutalness to that bit. We're still a rich dude fighting for his life. Mm-hmm
Oh my god, can we show that part?
We allowed
If we say it's fake
That's fake

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It's just that um, yeah, it's just a quick segment from the scene
I want to say it was like a little bit towards the it was towards the end. Yeah
Hang on let me make our transition
Crunch do you hear that crunch? Oh
Jesus yeah, so definitely I'm excited for that one one's gonna finally get released

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Yeah, I'm also hoping to bone quick know on it. Yeah
they just
We know it's understand it's in the same MC MCU universe. Yeah, it's all the same thing. Just don't fucking mention it ever
Yeah, you don't need to mention, you know, it's there so it's no point
I'm gonna do that. Can I just like see if Captain Marvel shows up at the end, right?
Can I just point out that David ever really micromanage is Hell's Kitchen? Oh, yeah. Yeah, like no

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Absolutely the rest of New York not so much but Hell's Kitchen. This is my turf
This is my turf
So like you don't have to worry about this area spider-man or any other superhero like Hell's Kitchen's mine
You know and if you need some help from Harlem, then you have Luke Cage. Yeah
It's the ghetto me no, no, no hero ever helped out the ghetto

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For real when have I last seen like Captain America actually in the ghetto
Hey, bro's always in Manhattan. Yeah, that's true. You gotta save for the brother heroes, you know
Yeah, I can see Captain America coming up me like no problem saving the day. It's what I do
Captain we have so much crime in our area. Can you just kind of come in on the weekends or something and just kind of make an appearance?

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Isn't there a little black spider-man around here that can handle that?
We just promoted a guy, you know, he'd be better and then God forbid any X-Men show up and he's like
If it ain't one of you dirty DNA logging little sons of bitches
Captain America is all for everyone except when it comes for the mutants

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And then of course the last two trailers we want to mention both of these are neon productions
Neon has been producing quite a bit lately last year. They had long legs and cuckoo now
They have the monkey which that one looks like a pretty interesting. That looks pretty fun. Yeah, that one looks like a
Chaos. Yeah
And then of course the other one with um Stephen Soderbergh

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Which is the presence yes, and the way that is filmed looks really nice
Yeah, super extreme wide-angle lenses with a nice steady cam flotation to it
Yeah, it seems like it's gonna be a lot of long takes kind of like a bird man. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, yeah
Yeah, I like how like the camera kind of swivels and like turns around the characters

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Like it really gets into the action and this isn't a found footage movie
No, no, it has like some found footage elements to it, but it's not it's not yeah
Yeah, I kind of like that more. Yeah, you know, so it's not just like I think that one's all Asian cast too for the most part
Really? Yeah
Man, hey, I must be doing something cuz I didn't see any you know any age, you know, I wasn't seeing I

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Wasn't seeing skin
I
Didn't see one chopstick, bro
representation
This is fucking nuts
I mean we are getting more films that are like more
Produced by minority so like you still got stuff like presence which has like huge Asian

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Demographic but even sinners with another like Jordan Peele type of film you get the woman in the yard
We just saw that trailer. Oh, no, that was a Ryan Coogler film. Sorry Ryan Coogler
So that was Ryan Coogler, but then a woman in the yard. Yeah, that was really interesting
So we're starting to get a lot of like a minority black films too. So neon produced
15 films last year

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Upcoming slate they have six films already slated dated dated with two more undated damn
Wow, so there's actually some pretty interesting films and what's really
Actually shocking to me is I'm not seeing a lot of blockbusters or franchises this year coming up
I think they finally got the hint of just like like we're starting to get like more

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Independent and more original stories just little a little bit little bit
I think this more of a test of the water kind of situation if these do good
Yeah, I think one of those things were like, you know, let's throw a few out there. See what happens
Then yeah, it could be, you know test of the water situation
Or it could be a thing where a couple years ago when the studios were need desperate need of money where they said

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All right, we can't afford these expensive ones. Yeah, that's true
No, a lot of these studios cannot afford these high big budgets right now
Everyone's losing money, but also it is that it is to be a response to a lot of these low budget
Now I'll say low budget films, but lower, you know lower budget films getting high returns. Yes
Which we did see in a couple years a couple years back

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Obviously start with the John Wick, but you know yet other John Wick long legs
Remember that was a nine million dollar budget and got like what almost 200 million back. Yeah
Yeah
So like yeah
It makes sense produce these lower budget films with great stories and you're still gonna get a lot of money
You're still gonna get incredible returns. Yeah, you're not getting the billion dollar marks
But at that point you're only trying to get a billion dollars back to claim you hit the billion dollar mark

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Yeah
But most of those billion dollar mark movies did not make a billion dollars because of how much
Production and money they put into those films. Yeah, so you think these movies are kind of reeling back and kind of
The last they're not shooting as high as for like the billion dollar revenue
But more of like hey yo if we can make back like 200 300 million, that's a win

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Especially for a movie that's a budget of you know, 20 million 10 million
Whatever. I think the studios are feeling the effects that the last couple years
Only making big production films out of clout
And name recognition and now because that financially hit them so hard they need to go back to smarter business practices

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And especially I don't have you pay attention to the credits itself to most sort of the big budget films
You'll see that a lot of people are credited as producers. There is no longer that that's right
There's no longer gonna two three people producing the movie
No, there's not like 40 people putting money into it. So all these people need to get their money back as well
And some and some interest so that you know when it says it made, you know, 200 million dollars profit

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Well, guess what?
That 200 million has to be pulled out for you know for you know
Someone who put in five million another person put two million another person would be no six million
Yeah, so all that money comes right back out. Yeah, so the studio gets you know, get stuck with you know
Why are you just left? Yeah left? God?
This is rough. So now they need this is smart if you produce these lower budget films with

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incredible filmmakers
They're gonna get high returns because not only is the name gonna be by itself
Bringing people into theaters, but they're trying to recreate that John wick word of mouth
Yeah
a few people see it and it gets huge commercial critic success more people are gonna hear from word and
Then start flocking to the theaters and then we're gonna have exponential growth in our box offices. That's what they're hoping for

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So like damn we gotta make actually good movies. Mm-hmm
Not only that but whoever they hired to edit the the trailers as well. That is true
That's something we'll talk about later in a bit, but that is also very important too
Absolutely, whoever's because okay, obviously there's a style to it
Yeah, and a lot of people are you know, whoever's do this just falls a certain like pattern or style

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Yeah, but they fucking mark it works. It works
But yeah, we'll definitely dive deeper into that with our main topic
But let's cover over this last bit of film news before we hit our break
What we have here is our update on the LA County wildfires
There is some figures being thrown out now of like cost and how much damage is and everything's going about but man

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More than 12,000 structures destroyed since Tuesday
And what it's looking at is we might have anywhere between
135 billion two hundred and fifty billion dollars in damages
Which they did some estimated compares
Hurricane Helen back in fall when it ran through six states

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For its maximum estimated value of damages was 250 billion or six states took that fact
Yeah, oh shit la by itself not even the whole state of California
La by itself is racking in almost a hundred and fifty billion dollars
They're claiming insurers are gonna lose about forty billion dollars
And it's I think they're gonna say this is gonna be the costliest natural disaster

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Not the deadliest or biggest but the costliest natural disaster in US history
Yeah, and that's just because simply because we have multi-million dollar mansions
Yeah being swept through so that's what unfortunate. That's what drives up the cost
But at the same time at the end of day you do gotta see that these are people's homes as well
I know it does you're seeing all the social media the comments, you know, fuck these guys

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They can make their money back. Woohoo. They're rich and everything. It's yeah, there are a few of those but not everyone
There's still people by then at the end of days. They lost homes. They lost memories and stuff like that
Yeah, yes, they can get their they have insured homes. They get their money back
They can rebuild but that's still like an impactful
Yeah, well as well as people forget that a lot of these a lot of these people as well is they're not all celebrities

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They're celebrities and a lot of times these people are kind of technically grandfathered into the house the housing situation
Where yes, they probably work in Hollywood in the 80s or 70s 70s and that's where everything was cheaper
yeah, so they bought their house at that time and
Essentially they live there. That's it
and
Like said they haven't works in sin or they can't work since then and now their house is gone. Yeah, I know

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No good good. I was gonna say like I know that
Sorry, I had multiple things going through my head for example in that cocktail am thirst trap, let's go
No, but one of the things that they're definitely kind of battling against is one
You had some you had some people claiming that like oh hey if we put everything into it we can have

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You know LA back up and running in like four years and I'm like
Like like the the clearing of just the burnt wreckage alone is gonna take like two years
But we talked about last episode too. I mean in the next like four years
How many sports events major worldwide in a sports events were hosting?
I mean Olympics Paralympics the

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Women's Nationals FIFA
The Grand Prix all that stuff trying to get it cleared and restructured before that time while
Trying to bank these huge events. Yeah as well. It's
Gonna be in a very expensive very costly. I want to say like probably ten years
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah

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Yeah, and for anyone who actually bought this up right here anyone that wants to help out
You know who wants to donate the major ones you might want to think about is like the American Red Cross Salvation Army
The LA Fire Department watch out for scams. There's gonna be a lot of people scamming. Yeah, that's why I wouldn't
They've already said it. I'm not a big they said yes, you can go on and go to fund me to help out

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Be very wary about when doing that. I'll tell you that a lot of people are using that to scam people
Yeah
So I would highly recommend just go to like the major one the major ones are known for like said America Red Cross
LA Fire Department, LA Police Department repeatable ones. Yes
Those are the ones you want to help out and if you go on to like the if you google search, you know
To donate for LA. There are a few articles like the LA Daily News that brings up an entire list of

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Places that you can't you could donate to that help out that'll help out directly whether it be money or food or clothing just
If you're in the area and you're able to help out or if you just want to send donations to a
Any of the areas that the list includes then I mean we'll probably have like a list of actual
Organizations you can't donate to if you want to in this description description below. Yeah. Yeah, so

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Please yes. Yeah
All right, so we're gonna take a quick break and when we get back we're gonna cover our main topics
So stay tuned. It'll be right back to you guys
Here are some smaller news topics that couldn't make it into this week's episode
Starting Warner Brothers is working on a new Gremlins and Goonies movie
Drake files a lawsuit against UMG for defamation for promoting Not Like Us

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And the Sundance Film Festival still plans to open on the 25th of January despite the fires in LA
With even one of its heads losing her home saying with that that they are calling commission to support the artists
That's it for the film news now back to our schedule program

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And we are back covering over our main topic tonight
Warner Brothers is having a major shake up within its ranks and its structure in general for this year
Where they're fully embracing auteur directors auteur directors
Now we talked about that earlier, you know how like David Lynch is type of auteur director

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He wants to be involved in everything writing directing writing dp everything like there's a person who wears multiple hats for their shoot
exactly, so this sounds like what they're trying to
Promote and advertise is they're trying to go back to more independent smaller films
But for me in reality just knowing from the last two years of their finances it sounds like they're cutting costs

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It sounds like a cost cutting thing to me not like trying to
Go back into finding these
Really niche filmmakers and these indie artists and everything and to bring back the spirit
It doesn't really feel like that. You see i'm saying yeah
Yeah, no, absolutely. It's uh
Seems cheap
the idea of uh under the guise of

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trying to collect more acclaimed directors, but really trying to
Fit as many positions as possible into one person. Yeah, so like trying to get you want to cut down your crew
Yeah, you want one person to run multiple positions so that you have to pay less people or possibly as well
Is just a theory

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They're trying to get a couple of tours
Try to find the diamond in the rough to build them up. They're trying they're doing the universal tactics. Yeah
Yeah, so universal does that they'll find the types of our tour directors or their independent artists
They're the filmmakers and they want to build them up. They're looking for their jordan peel
Yes, that's what they're looking for but they they're already they've been building a roster for the last few years

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Yeah, they have warner brothers is now just starting on it. It's kind of like catch up. Yeah, and
From the feel of it. I mean personally
I would probably want to go to universal
Because it's like oh hey like you have you got christopher nolan you got jordan peel you got both the daniels to do that everywhere
Everything everywhere all at once you got steven spielberg and you know

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You have like a whole roster the contracts for universal are better filmmakers have more creative control
Yeah, warner brothers, unfortunately is infamously known for being too involved into productions
That's why anytime you usually hear
Directors producers creative differences that usually tends to be something happening on warner brothers
Yeah, you either have to already be established and be a big name and just

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Know how to handle executives
But if you're coming in trying to gather
Acclaimed directors that are still kind of like they're not quite up there like ryan kugler is up there
Yeah, but you know
almost
Almost up there, but just isn't quite
Super established yet to just say like hey i'm gonna have a 300 budget

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Fuck it. That's more unfortunate like I I love ryan kugler. He's a fantastic director
I have no faults in his style and he's great
What I saw was in the last couple years five six years
Hey, man, you made this independent film. Here's a blockbuster. Yeah, you just jump you jumped
Yeah, now no problem because I love black panther nothing wrong with the cinematography filming anything like that. It's all good

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That was just the nature of how things were
To me. Yeah, he's still more of an auteur independent direct like lower independent to me
Even though he does blockbusters and stuff like that
I'll still always see him in that era because for me that's where he flourishes
Yeah, well, I mean actually like you said like it's just tough to give the person, you know
Well a person is used to handling, you know, five million dollar budgets. Yeah

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Telling them they have to spend 200 million or that's hard. It's hard or spent wasting money
You're wasting money. You have to spend that hundred million and it's to me
Like if you were to put me in that spot, like I have no clue how to throw this around
That's where you're like, uh, we'll just get extras lying around. Give me 10 hundred extras. I don't I want some cars over here
Like that's not gonna start wasting things. Yeah, that as well as WB is

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Notorious for is overstepping their boundaries. Yeah, which
Famously happened with Batman B Superman. Mm-hmm when you had 10 different producers all wanted input
On to the the film and you have the executives wanted their input in the film as well
I mean look at you said before look at film credits now. Yeah back in the days, you know, you had four

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Max five producers. Yeah five produce maybe two two executive producers and that's it
And now you're seeing like eight executive producers 40 producers
20 associate producers like the list goes on it's too many hands in the pot. Yeah
Yeah, and and of course since everyone's putting their money and obviously put your hand in the pot because if you know if i'm putting in
If i'm putting in two million, I want my word in it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah

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Yeah, so unfortunately the more people the more hands they put in the pot
So unfortunately the more people the more hands the more people want to talk
They want more they want to add and then it gets
pointless scenes or you get
Product placement or you get yeah someone's nephew in the background because that's what they wanted
And I think now studios are finally learned the lessons of what happened in like the last two years

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You know when you get films like long legs, which nine million dollars production
Almost 200 million that back in box office like they're looking back at those smaller productions that still look fantastic
That still create incredible stories and people are still going to theaters to see that they're looking for that word of mouth
They're looking for that john wick. Yeah, but that's when you give the artists

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uh
Pretty much let them rain. Yes, let them do it. You just let them free and I'll say free rain
But I mean like just let them do their thing. That's it. Are you thinking that we're starting to see a little bit more of a
um
What's it called?
I want to say realism or realistic goal wise where it was like the last 10 years or so

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The goal is to hit a billion dollars. Yeah every movie you want just you wanted the name recognition
You wanted the clout to say yeah, bam. I made a billion dollar movie
Mm-hmm. But if you like I said, if you really look at those movies that made over a billion dollars
They didn't actually at the end of the day make a billion from those movies. Yeah, because of course those budgets

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350 million 400 million dollars. Yeah, these were incredibly expensive movies and that's just the budget by themselves not including the marketing costs
Yeah, that's why like
The marvel films like the infinity infinity war and those films even though they claim, you know
Obviously they made over a billion dollars
Their money is really coming in from merchandise from the theme parks

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That's where they're making the money from because that's what they want. Yes, you spend your your tickets
They made the billion, but we all not bringing that much
True money comes in from when it comes afterwards, but that has always been disney's practice
And let them do their practice let disney do that
But other studios were trying to follow that as well not realizing stupid because you're not merchandising
You just saw numbers and figures. Yes, and yes, you're selling small small amounts of merchandise

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But nowhere near nowhere near. Yeah, that's disney's practice. They know those movies aren't making the money
They know the t-shirts will make the monies the toothbrush the calendars the backpacks all the merch
That's what they're making their money off of
Wonder brothers doesn't have that type of merch to pull. No universal doesn't even have that much perch a merch to pull
I mean they say universal goes after their ips like at the theme parks. Yeah, you know collectibles

(32:11):
Uh, I mean obviously on t-shirts, you know stuff like that
Universal has been branching out to other stuff like hot topic recently stuff like that where they're finally now really getting into the merch game
But their movies still make money. They still prioritize that they prioritize the movie over the merch
Yes, but even then that we also people are the students who understand is

(32:33):
The how universal, you know are making you know money off their merch. Mm-hmm. It's from films that were like from 20 years ago
Yeah, it's not new stuff. Yeah, like they're still making money off of Jurassic Park the original one not the new Jurassic world
That's true. And that will always be a moneymaker. Yeah
So, I mean newer students are trying to do that. Like I said they wb i'm pretty sure they attempted with the whole

(32:55):
Justice league Batman v Superman
Merching that but no one wants that so they all want the classic animated Batman
they want the
Even though they own that property, but they don't want the logo from Batman v Superman. They want the animated series
They want the comic book logo of Batman. Yeah, they want that. So do you think

(33:17):
Though because now we're looking at we looked at a whole calendar for like a lot of film releases this year
And we're not we're not getting the big numbers of blockbusters that we got from the last couple years
Do you think it's a smart move going back to these all tour directors and doing these smaller lower?
budget productions not small or
low budget but just smaller budget productions

(33:39):
Yes, because what I look well, I'm looking at the list and what would it cost?
it looks like they're going with a franchise route with our tour and
Relatively lower budgets. Mm-hmm. You know, you got movies like, you know clay face
You know, you got the bat the the batman the batman that one's still in pre-production. Yeah. Yeah
Well, i'm not even looking at those i'm looking at the conjurer this year. I'm looking at like presence companion

(34:04):
Mickey 17
Sinners not in actual known names because you still get those blockbusters like minecraft, you know
Superman f1 all the self-final fantasy, but even then I don't know if you notice the trend the last couple years of
Some franchise films where they are getting a relatively lower budget
Where they are getting a relatively lower budget. Yeah. Yeah, they're they're yeah, they are decreasing the budgets on the yes. That's correct

(34:28):
But becoming expensive. Yeah. Yeah
Uh like on this list that i'm even looking at right now at the most expensive
I can probably see it's gonna be superman in mortal combat
Yeah, I can see that. Yeah
Minecraft i'll say that too my yeah. Yeah
Minecraft on there, but I mean other than those kind of three well f1 that's a franchise one, isn't it? No, that's uh,

(34:52):
That's just a racing team. Yeah, that's a racing one. So I mean other than before you would see like
Multiple franchise on this list you'll see six marvel films. Maybe some others. I mean
How many superman films or superhero films were actually getting here very little very little because we unfortunately they're pulling back because we hit uh,
Superhero fatigue. Yeah, unfortunately we have hit super which I called it a few years ago

(35:14):
Yeah, I guess i'm doing really tired of this and like no sure enough. We're all getting a little tired of it
uh, but
If we get a little by little we'll be fine
So i'm actually kind of liking the switch up that warner bro. This is actually attempting because man
Because what i'm seeing on the list is it kind of it's going from like franchise to non-franchise franchise. Yeah
Yeah, yeah, they're mixing it up. Yeah

(35:35):
Yeah, so giving more out there variety instead of the same thing over and over and over again, and I think
They're slowly slowly learning the lessons
But of course they're gonna still have some spillage over of some stupid decisions or you know the same
Blame blame this person's fault this person's fault because it's funny. We have another

(35:55):
Article that kind of connects to this
Is how the chief marketing person in charge over the last three years for like all the trailers
Advertises marketing they just fired his ass
Right after he had a three-year renewal contract too
So immediately right after he renewed that they canned his ass. So they say why yeah, let's be honest

(36:17):
They need someone to blame last couple years. They've been dropping figures figures figures
Who's the first person you're gonna blame?
marketing
You guys didn't do your job to bring in the people to theaters bro. We made the trailer as you wanted it
We only make the trailer from the dailies you get. Well, it's not just trailers though. It's just marketing in general

(36:38):
How are you getting the word out about this film? Yeah, and unfortunately there's i've always said there's
Certain things that shouldn't be marketed. Yeah, I don't want to me the dumbest marketing in the world
I will say to this stick to this Doritos
I don't know how many times I have seen in the store of a fucking movie on a Doritos bag

(36:59):
That does not maybe you want to watch a movie as they're chill
Oh where they just have like a picture or something of the character on the gas. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, and it's just sign up to win something
Yeah, they had like some character on there and like that never we put it on food
We put it like on the can or some can some stupid, you know, try to market on some stupid device

(37:20):
Like it just doesn't work. Well
Back in the days that was the thing. Yes, like hey
We want to let you know because people like Doritos and you see this or remind you. Hey, this is coming out. Whatever now
Marketing is just spilled everywhere just to remind you it exists not to entice you to go see it
It just wants to constantly barbara like to parade you in the face. I we exist. We're here. We're here

(37:45):
We're here, which when you get into over marketing. Yes
which
Of to me they haven't caught up the studios have not cut up caught up on
more recent trends
Because I say they the most popular way for me to actually I would say I would watch a movie
If the either the actors or the director or the writers show up on a podcast

(38:06):
That is to me is a smart way where the studio says hey, we'll give you five grand get these people on this podcast
You know
interview them
because
Dude, I do not want to watch these on the on either the morning news
Uh late night shows because they don't ask the real questions. Yeah, I mean anything
I mean now they're just moving along with the trends with social media. They're on the tech talk. They're on instagram

(38:29):
Yes, but they still are are still doing late night shows. Yeah
How many people are actually watching that's true. They're still wasting money in other ventures
That shouldn't be necessary because morning news the news
Like when they do just a five minute segment on TV
It's like no one cares about that people actually sit there and watching a podcast or longer format

(38:50):
interviews
That's where I think they should put more marketing towards because people actually want to sit there like oh
I want to listen to this person talk for 30 minutes on about this movie
or uh
Hell even like let's say i'm looking here like barbie. Yeah
Honestly, I would have rather sat there watching 40 minutes of margaret robin talking about how
How she wanted to make the movie? Yeah versus just a three minute clip on, you know, uh, what's it called? Uh

(39:14):
On one of those late night shows. Yeah, now you have it on hot ones. Yeah
Yeah, like the late night show format
Kind of for me is like a dead format. Yeah, like yeah, there is still
Certain areas like television and entertainment that is really dying down
But people really holding on to it because they don't want it to die

(39:36):
Yes, but as well another thing I will say that on top of that when you know, they are moving towards
I would like you know online social media the social media
But somehow they stuck onto the same format from television
But now on social media like unfortunately like the ones on variety when they have like the person talk on there
Yeah, you know the top 10 questions, you know ask, you know

(39:56):
Unfortunately, it just falls the same format. Yeah, and it gets really repetitive and boring after a while. I'm sure that that's true when
But most people actually want to hear that person just talk. Yeah
I think uh, I miss inside the actor studio
Yeah, yeah, remember that yeah. No, I remember that but that one but that one was for like
Those that were really interested in film. Yeah, those are for film people film buffs, man

(40:20):
You know james lipton would have just led us to to real hard-asking questions, you know
About the characters and and driven motives where it's just like today shows you get like five minutes of just like
So what was it like working with?
How does this help me promote for superman I just
I just keep thinking about the wicked interviews. That's all i'm thinking about man. Hey, we got you this gift basket

(40:48):
And they like on each other too they're like
Can you like can you believe this is happening?
Like bitch don't act like you just fucked spongebob on all right from broadway
Got him divorced and then have him act in the same movie like shut your ass up
All right, stop back in like oh my god i've arrived

(41:12):
Oh shit, but another thing I want actually we brought up earlier was the trailers for this other film make others like from neon
um
The stylized trailers that are really cool. Yeah, whoever's doing their trailers
Jesus christ, yeah neon is good with their trailers. I I want to say let me look to see who is the same because okay

(41:34):
Obviously there's an art to making um trailers
The problem with the big budget of films trailers is they reveal way too much
We got to give you all the information which is a complaint we had for years ourselves
but
like said it's just
Like the biggest for me like even though I can't remember as a kid, but the biggest blunder was like uh terminator 2

(41:55):
That trailer which if you watched the very first one, he was the villain. He was the antagonist of the story
In the trailer they decided to reveal no, he's actually now the hero
Versus, you know, which would have been more effective if you watched in theaters for the first time
You're like, holy fuck. He's about to kill sara connor. Oh, no, he's actually gonna save her and though there was a period like

(42:16):
2006 to like 2012 trailers were doing good. They were
really being
very
Mystic mysterious with the information. They're just showing the just the bare minimum of what things to be
and then they kind of just reel that back to the old-fashioned ways like
Remember back like in the like

(42:37):
60s 50s trailers and movie ads where they told you the entire plot from start to finish
Yeah, and they'll give you all the actors names who are in it and what roles they're doing see prescott. He's a man of time
Yes, and those trailers were like two three four minutes long yes and
Over the decades it got shorter shorter shorter

(43:01):
then you got to like the
Early 2000s are like how let's get really like just give them no information. Let's get teasers out with a teaser
Oh, we're just do this whole new thing. We're gonna give him like 30 seconds of like maybe a logo
Maybe a voice sample you seem like like or a scene that has nothing to do with the film
Yeah, yeah, but it piqued your interest because of the yeah, it's mysterious

(43:24):
You don't know the whole thing about it so you can go in this movie and be surprised
And then for some reason studios just kind of slowly going back to like the 90s
We need to tell them the whole story we need to tell you the plot was happening in the trailer so you understand
I mean it also depends on who the marketing team is yeah
Yeah, and because neon is with a 24 yeah, no no no two different studios two different suits completely

(43:50):
Yeah, okay, because I mean
Depending who you're working with
I mean for a 24 they work with
trailer houses of like AV squad Geronimo productions grandson and
Mark Wolin and associates mm-hmm for examples, so I mean it just depends on who you go to

(44:12):
for
I'm pretty sure they probably do one that cuts of the trailer where I'm pretty sure like they told me to do we you know
Make a trailer for us. Yeah comes out really good, but they're like not enough information we need more
Yeah, but I mean for these ones they they operate to a certain degree
depending on
One what the movie is about and what theme of the movie is and then versus what they're kind of looking to showcase

(44:36):
So in this case for like say
What was it what was it presence yeah, so say
The overall theme for that one is like a horror movie. You know
But we've worked on trailers before that's like one of our specialties we do movie trailers, but

(44:58):
What's the one thing we always focus on mood mood?
Yeah, and that's one thing that these type of trailers neon a 24
They focus primarily on setting the mood yeah letting you know like hey if this is for long legs if this is a whore
we're not really horror, but like a suspense of

(45:19):
something that's
Stylistic and also really disturbing they're gonna focus on that mood of something is wrong
Mm-hmm and then same thing with like a 24 movies depending on what type of movie
They're looking to make that same thing is gonna also translate into a mood of something
Horror or scary or suspenseful and then they're gonna drama

(45:43):
Yeah, and they're gonna play on those whereas you have a
Marketing team of a movie that doesn't really have much substance in their actual plot
Mm-hmm, and that's also a factor as well with your movies is that if it doesn't have any substance to it and focuses more on visuals
Like Fast and Furious is not gonna have much substance. Yeah, you know we gotta go fast

(46:05):
We gotta save blah blah blah
Family then you're gonna show more of the fucking GT flying out of the building or whatever the fucking car was in
in Dubai yeah of the 100 floor window into like the
86th floor and like you're gonna show more that no no no that that I get

(46:27):
You know for action films and blockbusters
I get that that's unfortunate style you have to stick to because you have to bring people in for that you have to show
The explosions and show loud yet do that
But what I'm talking about is when they literally explained the entire plot almost from start to finish like said timeline. Yes
Like long legs they just show very little just to keep your interest and that's it

(46:49):
All you knew is there's a detective figuring out who a serial killer is
Yeah, boom and then the rest is just visual shit exactly. Yeah versus
You know what trailer we just watched working man. Yes working man. There you go
I said cutting it down to you know, we understand. It's just an action film
But to put in there like oh no, you know, she was kidnapped thinking it might be in her revenge plots

(47:13):
No, no, it's actually human trafficking. That's what happened. Oh wait the CA the FBI
Everyone's dirty on it with that sounds like the plot twist point of the movie
Yeah, like they were literally showing that in the trailer of just like the city officials the cops. They're all involved
They're all involved in this. Why would you tell me this? Yeah, that's like a twist

(47:33):
Yes, like they could easily cut down that trailer down to like hey, it's a working guy. He might have some military background
No, no nose working me. He's a working man. That's all we know. What's the job and he has to save someone?
Yes, save someone. That's it. Yep, and just keep it and then just show a bunch of little clips of you know
Cars blowing up things happen here and there but don't have the actual audio of the government's in on this. Yeah, you know

(47:57):
Yeah, that's the that's my main issue with like with like the whole marketing thing is
That's marketed incorrect. It's all marketing correctly. Yeah, it's all it's not it they fell behind
They're not catching up. They stick to an old format and they just think like this is solid golds
We stick to it. Mm-hmm versus just like trying to or even I try to create new formats

(48:18):
so I wonder with now firing this marketing director hopefully hiring a new person fresh face in there and
Working now on these more smaller productions
Do you think this will be a time for Warner Brothers to actually start recovering?
I think it looks like they're trying it looks like they're fixing things trying to it looks like if they're trying to

(48:44):
But they have to have faith in their entire team to do it
That's what it is faith
They need to have faith because if they don't have faith then they're always gonna keep stepping in and say nope
You're doing it wrong do it this way and don't forget man. They're still trying to cut down on that debt
Okay, cut down the debt
overall film
Production jobs are at an all-time low with this fire. That's also happening as well. They got it down

(49:09):
It used to be like 53 billion. It's about 45.3 billion. It's working addicts. They're still working on that making a few payments here and there
Making a few payments there, you know, they're
Boy, yeah, they're you know, make they've they made they established a payment plan. Yeah

(49:33):
Yeah, but yeah
It's gonna be a long road for Warner Brothers to really start recovering and really start actually turning an actual real profit
Yeah, it's gonna be a walk. Oh, yeah
All right. Well, we want to thank everyone for listening to this week's episode
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