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March 10, 2025 117 mins

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In this Episode, Kathy sits down with her pastor, Jeremy Cain, to discuss the realities of church culture, and the way a relationship with Jesus, manifests differently from a a person who is religious. 

This is a long episode, but we wanted to touch on some important topics that are common to anyone who grew-up in the church world.


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Redeem California, With God it IS Possible:

God of the Impossible: 30-Prayers for the Redemption and Restoration of California


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