We Made It Work for $5,000 and a Gift Card to Chili's

Have you ever wondered how some couples make it look so easy? In this heartwarming episode, we pull back the curtain on our own love story that began 22 years ago at Edison Blair Elementary School in Dallas, Texas. What started as a professional relationship between two educators—Kefla as the PE teacher and Cree teaching third grade—evolved into something neither of us expected, especially since one of us was engaged to someone else at the time!

We take you through every step of our journey: from awkward first impressions to that memorable first date at Chili's (paid for with a gift card!), through the careful dance of dating as coworkers, to a creative spa proposal that left Cree speechless. You'll hear about our $5,000 wedding that proved you don't need extravagance to create lasting memories, and the real challenges we faced as newlyweds navigating career dreams and starting a family.

But this isn't just our story—it's a candid conversation about what makes relationships last. We share the uncomfortable truths about the work marriage requires and why, as Kefla puts it, "You walk up to the altar with your boyfriend, but you leave with a husband you don't even know." Through job losses, cross-country moves, and raising twins, we've discovered that lasting love isn't about perfection but about having two people who "want it just as much."

Whether you're single, dating, or celebrating decades together, this episode offers honest insights about building a partnership that continues to grow through life's inevitable changes. Join us for some laughs, a few tears, and plenty of refreshingly normal wisdom about finding and keeping love in the real world.

Send us your Questions or Comments and we’ll answer them on the show.

Don't forget to Like, Comment, Share, and Subscribe.

Thank you for listening!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:10):
The Refreshingly Normal Podcast.
Welcome back everybody.
Thank you for tuning in to theRefreshingly Normal podcast.

(00:30):
I am Kifla.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
I am Cree or Lucrecia .

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, you crazy for sure.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
That's my Spanish Lucrecia.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
So thank you all for it's me, it's me.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Si, si face here.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
so thank y'all for it's me.
It's me.
Thank y'all for, uh, you know,checking in with us all the time
.
Man, it feels good to for thesenumbers to be going up.
Uh, seeing all the downloadsand hearing people say little
stuff, uh that they've heard onyou know other episodes, uh, I
mean it's crazy, because I hadall this equipment, like during
COVID, I think it was For years,yeah, for years, and I've been
either motivated, threatened orchastised for not doing anything

(01:15):
with it by a particularindividual.
And so now we're finally doingsomething with it and I'm liking
what we're doing so far.
So let's get right to it, allright.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
So last time.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Last episode, we had a few things that we forgot to
mention.
Yes, Because, we didn't knowthe name of that one restaurant.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Right.
So we talked about our friendsand how we went to a Thai
restaurant.
That's in Atlanta, but thatThai restaurant is called Tiki
Thai.
It is beautiful inside.
You may not know, but there'slike a lot of artwork.
It looks like it's wallpaper,but one of the young ladies that
works there, she actually handpainted it all.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yes, by herself, it's very intricate.
Yes, I mean very detailed, likesmall little details on the
wall and stuff.
Man, it's crazy this young ladyis so talented.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
But anywho, it's very creative.
The food is presented well, thedrinks are presented amazingly
well, so we just wanted to makesure we shout it out Tiki Tot.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I wish I knew the owner's name, but she's amazing
Very very good spirit, you cantell instantly.
Her spirit is amazing and I seewhy Mike and Meg love him so
much man.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Mike and Meg.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, you know, Michael Dwayne.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Oh, I'm sorry, I don't call him Mike.
Yeah, we call him Pope, okay.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
I was like, wait, we call my guy poe uh football
season, so we won't even be ableto see them because they're
going to be going to uh northernillinois university to see uh
their son play football.
He's running back up there.
Jaylen poe is a beast, so checkhim out.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
You know, running back for niu yeah, tell them
about the one thing you didn'tknow the clothing brand that you
got yes, the clothing brand, um, that was on the little strip
right there in little tokyo wascalled from flowerscom.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Uh, very, very cool gear.
They had what these shirts arecalled um.
I think kimani called them umswole covers or, uh, yeah, swole
covers.
I mean because, like, if youswole they're kind of oversized,
so they cover the swole.
But I'm not swole, so justoversized shirts for me, because
look at you talking some.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh, she was about to dig in, I was not going to,
because he does have niceshoulders and traps and which
y'all heard that.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Oh, rewind that.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
I thought you were gonna go back and say something
about that's why I got it,Because I got traps and
shoulders.
But then you was like I ain'tgot nothing.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
I was like, oh hey, I got it because I'm trying to
get back to that point and Ifeel like it's coming.
But I mean some very nice gear.
I actually only wanted to get ahat, but my man, you know his
deals were so good, and you knowhis deals were so good, and so
I'm going to pump his productslike as much as I can.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
So yeah, and then one other thing that I was like I
did not mention when we weregoing to LA, suzy called and was
like hey, do you guys want togo to the Diana?

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Ross concert yes.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
And I was like, oh yeah, sure, I'm thinking, well,
maybe somebody gave Suzy tickets.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
So then I told Kee well, she didn't say anything
about it.
I said, well, ask her how muchare the tickets?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Because she's always at concerts and she's not just
at concerts.
Like she's there, like thesinger, she can almost turn
their microphone down.
That's how close she is to thisartist at concerts.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
And so he called her or texted her and she said the
price of the tickets.
I was like it was $300.
I'm not paying Like I loveDiana Ross, but like I just 300
for us is 300 plus two.
I was like nah, nevermind.
We'll pass, and so then um, butI really wanted to go because I
love Tracy Ellis.

(05:01):
Ross, we both do, and I waslike man wouldn't that be cool
if we?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
go.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
When I thought the tickets were free.
I was like wouldn't that becool if we go and we see Tracy
Ellis Ross?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
And what were you going to say to her?

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I was going to say to her don't nobody buy dude like
you do, Because that's what shesaid on.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
And I love, I just love her.
And so I said if I see herthere I'm going to say, Tracy,
don't nobody, but do like you do.
But anywho, the story goes onto say Susie went and she had a
little box and guess who wasright next to her box?
Nobody, but who.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Tracy Ellis Ross and she kept coming back to her box.
Susie said because they were atthe Hollywood Bowl.
And so the Hollywood Bowl haslike little things where it's
kind of set up like it'll belike Korean right here and bowl.
And so the hollywood bowl haslike little things where it's
kind of set up like it'll belike kree and I right here and
it has like a little metalrailing right there and box, and
then it's another box.
And she was right freakingthere like kept coming to her
box, speaking to her, looking ather like oh my god, do you see

(05:56):
that?
and she was like omg.
I said, yeah, kree would havedied and I would have been so
jelly.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
But maybe the good, good Lord said girl, I'm not
going to put you there, so youcan embarrass yourself by saying
don't nobody buy dude like youdo they would have security, get
her out of here.
So anyways, that was somethingI was like oh shoot, but anyways
, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
So those are the things we had to catch up on.
Yeah, because when we listen tothe episodes and, to be honest,
like it's like when you hearcelebrities say, yeah, I don't
watch, uh, my movies and stufflike that I don't watch, you
know, um, you know my song yeah,and so I I've.
I listened to a rough draft ofthe you know, previous episode

(06:43):
and I was like there's somethings we need to say Cause
we've been trying to get themicrophone issues correct for so
long.
And, um, and I was like, oh,this is pretty good.
And so it was like some thingsthat we had to say and had to
correct, cause I don't likesaying uh, oh, and I don't know
the name of the restaurant, Idon't know the name of the shirt
, I don't know the name of theshirt, I don't know the name of
the place because, especially ifit's a good spot, we were

(07:05):
trying to put you on, because weare known as the couple that
put people on for a lot ofplaces.
Right, food, uh, rest, I meannot, restaurant, that same thing
.
Vacations, good deals, yep,shows to watch, just all kinds
of stuff, like, for whateverreason, people do trust our
judgment.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
so that's pretty cool all right.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
So you know, it's been a lot of people wondering
wondering why how did this allstart and I'm not talking about
the podcast, yeah how did thiscrazy little thing called love
that we have get started?
Yeah you know, and, and thereare.

(07:46):
You know, if you ever watchedthe episode where martin and
gina tell you know their story,like, I think, pam had a version
of it.
You know, martin's a nerd in oneand the other martin's like a
pimp and all that kind of stuff.
So we, we kind of have twodifferent versions, but they
always blend into the sameversions, you know.
So how did it all start?

(08:10):
Matter of fact, where did itall begin?

Speaker 1 (08:13):
it all began in Dallas, texas, at a little
elementary school called EdisonBlair Edison Blair Academy.
I was going to call EW Oliver.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
No, that's another school.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yes, it was at Blair, that's where it all started.
I was a teacher there, someoneelse, he was also a teacher
there, the PE teacher there.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
We started at that school the same year.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yes, we started the same year at that school.
I moved from Kansas because forme I was like there's got to be
more out there in the worldthan Kansas, and so I ventured
that way because one of my bestfriends had moved there.
I had visit her often and I waslike I like Dallas, so I just

(09:04):
leaped and found me a job andmoved my little self by myself
there.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
And I left uh well, I actually left Alabama, moved to
California for a couple ofmonths, came back, was trying to
get a in the grad school.
My HBCU said they had ascholarship.
Last minute they didn't have ascholarship, so I moved back
from that and so then I had tofind a way to get to California

(09:30):
on somebody else's dime, becausemy whole goal was to be an
actor.
You know, I wanted to be anactor for a very long time and
so I found a.
I started looking up companiesthat would pay you to move.
You know that offer relocation.
I said I don't care what job itis, I just want to relocate to
a larger city and then I'll gofrom there.

(09:51):
So I found a company and I wasworking as an insurance claims
adjuster a position in Miami,atlanta, new York, minnesota and
Dallas and so I didn't want tobe cold in Minnesota.

(10:15):
New York was too expensive,miami was super expensive.
The young lady I was dating atthe time didn't want me to move
to Atlanta.
I guess, you know, because theAtlanta numbers was crazy, and
so I guess she thought I wasgoing.
And now I know why because heraunties were saying don't you
let that boy go, all that kindof stuff.
And so I was like Texas, I like, I mean, I never been to Texas.

(10:39):
The only time I went to Texaswas when I was in military.
Oh wow, I was in San Antonio,okay.
And so I was like you know, hey, let's go.
And I moved to Dallas, texas,and I worked on the job for
three months and they let me go.
They was like you know, hey,we're having cutbacks, and so
last hired, first fired.

(11:00):
But they didn't make me pay therelocation expense.
That was God, because a lot oftimes when they let you go
before the six months trial, youhave to pay the relocation back
.
So I didn't have to pay therelocation back.
And, um, but what the crazything about that is, the week
prior this lady gave me uh,because she knew I had a

(11:21):
teaching degree, the lady thatwas in the office, some older
lady who was looking out for me,and she said there's a job fair
happening a couple days, won'tyou go?
So she had circled it for me inthe want ads.
And as I went to the job fair,that's when I ran into the two
ladies from Blair, and the nextday I had an interview and I got

(11:45):
the job.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
That's so funny.
You say that she circled thewant ads.
Yeah, yeah, Most people arelike what is that?
What are want?

Speaker 2 (11:51):
ads, and so I got the job and got fired less than a
week later from the other job.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Look at God.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
You know what I'm saying.
And then started working atEdison Blair Academy.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yes, and I remember getting my classroom set up and
I think it's one of the ladiesthat recruited you.
Yeah, she was going aroundintroducing you to everyone and
when I saw him I said he looksso familiar and I just Looks

(12:29):
like the guy I dream about.
No, that's not what I said.
I think I might have said wereyou on Roll Rules?
I said, or you look familiar orI said something like.
I maybe didn't say Roll Rules.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
You said I've seen you before.
Yeah, and then the young ladysaid said I've seen you before
yeah.
And then the young lady said oh, you were on road rules, I was
on road rules.
And then you said yes, becauseOne of my sorority sisters.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, and so I said oh, I said oh, yes.
I said because one of mysorority sisters met him at some
kind of alpha convention orsomewhere the national panhandle
, panhandle thing, okay inatlanta and she got a picture
with him.
I remember her coming back andI was either in her room or she.
It was one of our sororitymeetings, I don't know, but she

(13:15):
had brought the picture of herwith.
She's like y'all don't believewho I met.
I met keith and I rememberlooking at the picture and I was
like you see, it fell out,everybody I was like okay, like
I don't know, that's such a bigdeal.
It was a little jelly, justdidn't want to admit I don't
know if I was jelly or not, butI was like, okay, um, and so I I
put all that together to know,oh yeah, I had I remember.

(13:37):
I remember my sorority sistersaying that and so, um.
So then I was like, well, it'snice to meet you.
I think he said it nice to meetyou.
And she was just taking himdown the row and then, as she
was walking him down, shestopped.
She said girl, that's going tobe my husband.
And I said oh, OK, girl, you gothen.
And that's what I said, andthen I just continued to like

(14:00):
get my little classroom togetheryou to like get my little
classroom together, yeah, and sowe worked together?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
uh, well, of course we worked together, but I was
teaching pe at the time?
And what grade were youteaching um that first year?
Because you, you flip no, I wasthird.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
What was I was third grade?
Yes, because I looped with themto fourth grade.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, so the first year I had third graders and at
that time I got engaged inAugust of that year and my
fiance actually moved fromAlabama and was living there
with me in Dallas.
And you know, just over time,our you know, my dreams were the

(14:45):
same about moving to LA or,even if I couldn't move to LA,
spending my entire summers in LAtrying to audition.
That was my whole purpose.
My whole purpose.
But that was the main reasonwhy I became a teacher is
because I wanted time off to beable to do that.
When I found out teachers gotpaid over the summer, you know,
like a check, check, I was likebet because I can go to LA, stay

(15:08):
with my cousin and audition.
You know, until I make it bigand that dream that we had, we
shared in college, it didn'talign once we got out of college
, once we got engaged.
And so you know, unfortunately,you know, I'm not saying

(15:31):
unfortunate, but fortunately,you know, because you know what
we had was, you know what weconsidered to be good.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Well, we don't say why you're saying unfortunately,
yeah, but you know, some peoplesay oh, unfortunately, you know
how it is you know how somepeople yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
But it was no infidelity, it was nothing like
that to make us break up.
It was just the fact that twopaths were not connected or
aligned or not aligned yeah,perfect, thank you.
We were not aligned and so wehad to break up the engagement.
You know, I broke up theengagement, you know.
So when people say what is thehardest thing you had to do, I

(16:04):
would say that is because it was.
It's easy to break up withsomebody when somebody's in the
wrong yeah.
But when there is no real wrong,it's just that we're not.
We're not where we used to be.
That was, that was tough, andso, uh, but everything, god's
plan worked, and so for so thatyear this was like january, I

(16:25):
think, yeah, january, when Ibroke off my engagement.
So nobody knew until we whatmay, right?

Speaker 1 (16:33):
no, no, no no, they knew, they knew about, they knew
about april yeah, it was likethat's when I went on that trip.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
So so in April, to be honest, it was, and I think
what.
When cause you went on the tripwith, I forgot the teacher's
name.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, I just remember her being with blonde hair.
That day forget her name though.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
She came and asked like well, not the date, but
before she went on that trip.
Oh, uh-huh, she asked, and shewas like so who are you?
I said, and somebody and what'sthe name said my other coworker
, female, said he's engaged.
And then I was like no,actually I'm not.
And they all was like what?

(17:16):
And so she went on a trip.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Because I remember her.
Now, when you say a trip, Iremember her saying oh, we're
going on a trip together,something like that.
I was like oh, okay.
Yeah, and I think that's dopeyeah.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
With us working together.
I knew he was engaged, so ofcourse, if anybody you know.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
That's not anybody you should be looking at Right.
So that.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
And professional with everything.
You know, that was just.
You know I was.
That's just who I am, you know,yeah, yeah, we were very
professional with each other,but the thing about it was just
because.
I was engaged did not stop mefrom noticing who were good
people, who were people thatI've said, oh, that she's cool,
I like her.
She's she's though.
I like how she handled the kids.
He's cool, I like how he's.
He's a respectful young man,how he's doing this, that's you
know, because a lot of peoplesay, well, so you was checking
him out, or whatever.
You know how people say even ifyou start dating your work

(18:10):
person after you break up withsomebody, oh, y'all was probably
messing around from the jump.
No, it's just that you're notblind just because you are in a
relationship.
Yeah, you still notice what a agood person like, what a bad
person looks like when you arein a relationship, and so those
things were.
The core you know like littlethings about you was when you

(18:34):
know we would take kids out forPE and you would race your kids,
you would jump rope with yourkids, you would.
When they would come to playbasketball or something, you
would take a shot or you wouldjoke with, uh, you know the
co-workers and stuff.
So it was like, oh, she's real,real chill, real chill.
Um, you know, yes, it did.

(18:56):
It did help that you were veryattractive, you know, very good
looking, thank you, and so allthat did help.
But you know, that was just thethings that I noticed, you know
, and you know, when I got, whenI broke up and nobody knew,
nobody knew.
I kept it because I wanted towork on myself.
That was one of the reasons Ididn't want to jump back into

(19:18):
relationships.
I wanted to work on myself.
So I said let me, let me, letme minimize these distractions
and just get it right.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah.
So I said let me minimize thesedistractions and just get it
right.
Yeah, and so I went to atrain-the-trainer thing to learn
how to be a trainer for SFA.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, reading, trainer Reading trainer.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
And so I went to that and one of the ladies or one of
my colleagues that I went with,she and I were just talking and
she's like where are you dating?
And I was like no, I'm notreally dating anybody seriously.
It's like I haven't really hadmuch luck with finding somebody
that you know I really connectwith.
Like I go on dates with people,but nothing.

(20:01):
Like I'm like, yeah, you knowserious.
And so she said we've got tofind you somebody.
I go, okay, well, good luck,you know.
And so she says oh, I know who.
And I was like who, and she'slike Coach Hair.
And I go, no, I said he'sengaged, and she says not

(20:23):
anymore.
No, I said he's engaged and shesays not anymore.
I'm gonna put that together.
And I was like I didn't say no,don't do it.
I said okay, well, you know, Ijust didn't, I just kind of
laughed and whatever.
And then I left it at that andI don't know what happened after
that she came to back to thegym and asked.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
She said so you're not dating anyone.
I said no, I'm not datinganyone.
She said so would you datesomeone you work with?
I said yeah, I don't see why Iwouldn't.
I said you know, because I knowhow to be professional.
She said what about Miss Scott?
Would you date Miss Scott?
I said yeah, I would date MissScott, but you know she probably

(21:06):
didn't want to date nobody likeme.
I'm, you know, country boy fromyou know.
And she was like what do youmean?
I said I don't know, she justseemed, you know, a little
different, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
He had already decided what kind of man I like.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, because you know, one day I had to come, I
was doing something and it wasthis little.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Al.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
B Shore looking cat up in there.
So y'all know who.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Al B Shore is.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, he was kind of taller than me.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
You know, curlybie, sure is, yeah, hey, he's kind of
taller than me.
Okay, he had curly hair.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Everything I didn't have.
So I was like, okay, bet, andso that's what I said.
But no, he said if she wantedto go out on a date with you,
would you go out?
I said, of course, and she waslike really.
I said, yeah, but I think youmight have a chance.
I said, how do you know that?
She said I just know.
I said remember that trainingwe went on together.

(22:00):
I said, yeah, I just think youmight have a chance.
And then I think she's the onethat said you were in the office
.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, I think she was the
one that said you were in.
No, okay.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
No, I walked into the office Right right, right,
right.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
She said, well, don't miss out, uh-huh.
And I said yes, and I was like,yeah, you're right, because if
she's not dating nobody lookingthat good, I better take my
chances.
And so I went into the officeone day.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
He was picking up his Avon.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yes, one of the ladies does Avon, and so one of
the mosquitoes in Avon, and soyou know one of the mosquitoes,
and if you're from the South,you know the skin is so soft.
The oil and then the lotion wasgood.
And then they had this footcream that you just use to keep
my feet right.
Like I'm from the.
You know, I grew up what sevenmiles from the beach so I wore

(23:03):
flip-flops.
You, you know all kinds ofthings like that, so I don't
mind showing my little toes.
So I wanted to make sure I waslegit.
Anytime, you know I'm, I'mgonna come correct, and so I'm
picking up my stuff and she'slike what are you doing in here?
Uh, with, uh, foot stuff,because I had it in my hand.
She saw it.
I said I like to get my feetdone.
I could do yours if you want to.
I said you want me to do yours,and she said you can.
I said oh, okay, and so Iwaited.
She was like, when she said youcan, she had a look and I was,

(23:27):
oh, that's an inviting look.
And so we exchanged numbers andI said, okay, well, we're going
to make a date then.
You know, and I don't know if wemade a date we didn't you
called me that afternoon.
You called probably like five,like five or six o'clock.
Let me write when I got fromthe gym I went straight home to

(23:47):
the gym and called it.
Yeah and uh, we wound up goingout on a on a date yes, our very
first day talk about it, ohshoot.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
We went to Chili's.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Shout out to.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Chili's, I do remember because at school yeah
talk about it At school.
He wears PE clothes.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
So I didn't really know, like what to quite expect
what he would wear, like what itwould be, like I didn't,
because I'd never seen like.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah.
You know, never seen like yeahyou know, regular everyday
clothes or whatever, and so Iremember specifically what you
had on.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
I know what I had on, so it was some plaid pants from
american eagle and a whitet-shirt, or white sleeveless
white maybe one sleeveless.
It might have been a whitet-shirt white t, white t and I
was like, oh, I think I likethat little outfit, and so we
ended up going to chili's yep,and how did I pay with chili's?
And when he went to chili's nowI know this, like later he

(24:43):
didn't tell me no, he might havetold me this yeah he took me to
chili's with a gift card shoutout that our secretary at school
uh miss um.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
At school, miss McKee , no.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Oh, miss it's Bud's mama.
Oh man.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
I'm so.
Oh my gosh, I can't believe it.
I can't believe it.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
I can't either because I talk to her on
Facebook all the time and mybrain is going blank, but I'm
going to get it by the time weget done.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
But we always used to get gift cards from our
principal too, for doing greatthings, and it just so happened
that I had spent my last giftcards and so they used to make
sure that I was always.
When I tell you, those peopleat that school took care of me.
Everybody made sure I wasstraight.
Coach Hale was straight man.

(25:32):
You know the older ladies I waslike their grandson or son.
You know older ladies I waslike they, they, they grandson
or son.
You know, um, miss wall, misswall.
That's right, miss wall misswall.
We're sorry we had a glass ofwine.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yes, we did have wine before but um, yeah, we uh.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Miss wall gave me a gift card and I think it was
like 30 dollars, 30, 40 dollarsand that's.
That's good enough to spend.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Oh yeah, and of course I'm not like expensive
then either.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
And I didn't know that.
You know, and I wasn't worriedabout it because my thing was,
if me spending the gift card wasgoing to be a turnoff to her,
then that wasn't a woman for me.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
No, so he did, he spent the gift card.
I remember having that littlepasta dish that they had One of
my favorite things at Chili's.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
At Chili's.
I think Chili's the one withthe chicken fajita.
Now that's Applebee's.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
That's Applebee's, I don't know, but I don't eat beef
or pork, so it was chicken orsomething.
I think you had a black beanburger, that's right, black bean
burger.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, that's what we said at the same time.
Yeah, it was the black beanburger and um.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
After that we went to your crib and I had a friend
that was there for the weekendwas that they sang uh-huh yeah,
she was there and um so, um, youhad come.
I think you did, because Ithink she maybe ended up leaving
, going to do a date or going todo something, and so it was
just you and I, and you ended up.
I think maybe I babysat too.

(27:01):
I think I ended up babysittingher baby and then her daughter,
and then you did do, did you domy toes that?

Speaker 2 (27:10):
night.
Yeah, yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I hooked you up.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
I'm a man of my word yeah.
I did them, little piggies, thelittle footsies.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
And so that was that, and then I think we did have.
Uh, did we cancel?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
on the first yes, that's because we we always say
you didn't laugh and oh my god.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
She was like oh, he's making this up.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
No, y'all when I went in, because I asked.
I asked I said you mind if Igive you a kiss?
She was like she said yes, youcan give me a kiss, and I leaned
in.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Maybe I laughed because he asked that, because I
don't think anybody's everasked me that before.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
But she and so like she wasn't laughing right after
I said that it was like when.
I got close to her and I grabbedher you know her face a little
soft and grabbed her cheeks andI leaned in and gave her a kiss.
She started giggling.
I looked back and she was likewhat?
And I went back in for anotherone and then it was a little
deeper, the kiss was a littlemore passionate, but then I got

(28:09):
up out of there because they hadchurch in the morning and so,
yeah, I had that rule for aminute.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
What was my rule?
So once we started datingdating, the rule was he would
not do have any nookie onsaturday nights because he had
to go to church in the morning.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
It was the craziest thing, hey I'm telling you I was
trying to get right and but butokay, let me jump forward.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, so jump forward to our wedding okay when I said
that too, that, that, that too.
What do you mean on thehoneymoon night?

Speaker 2 (28:54):
but you go oh, that was, that was just so.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
It was everywhere everybody everyone, but it was
still yeah, yeah, that was there, that was I think if it were
today, and how we've caught, howyou are today, you would have.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
You would have said they'll be fine I'm gonna enjoy
my night, yes at that point inyour life that those things were
because it was so many it wasprecedent and it was the people
that went out didn't havenothing, yeah it's there and so
it was like but you know, likelife learned, you know life, and
then I didn't think about whatI'm explaining to y'all is

(29:27):
because y'all like what are theyeven talking?

Speaker 1 (29:28):
about on our after our wedding we went um back to
our room.
I will say we I probably, if Iwould have known, would have
said can somebody clean up theroom before we come back?
But because I had gottendressed there with my
bridesmaids and so when we gotback, it was a first I was a

(29:48):
pickle.
But he also, all of our family,my family and his family are
all staying in the same hoteland so you know know him being
so.
I was grateful for my peoplebeing there, but I also knew it
was my night and they were notexpecting to see me at all.
Um, I don't think they wereexpecting to see him at all

(30:09):
either, but he just felt like hewanted to personally go and see
them and say thank you and doall the things.
And so we ended up going to thehotel, spending time there, and
then the next day he wanted togo to church on the sunday,
because they will recognize thepeople that got married and all

(30:29):
the things.
And I was just like, but it'sour, we just got married, we're
supposed to be honeymoon in andand I didn't push back, I just
went with the flow of everythingthat he wanted to do and I
probably should have just said,no, we're not doing that, we're
going to enjoy this night, um.
But I just went with the flowwith everything that he said to

(30:49):
do.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
You know that he wanted to do um, but later I was
like I should have said no yeah, but I mean that's you know,
one of the things, like withthat night, of course, like we
didn't consecrate on our, youknow, our night of our honeymoon
, like you know, most people do.
But to be honest, I wasn'tthinking about that night, I was

(31:13):
thinking about the life,because that's what brought me
to.
What I was about to say was,when we got married and when we
said I do, it was a big burdenoff of me because I felt like I
was such a good person that theonly thing that will keep me out

(31:34):
of heaven will be premaritalsex.
And so when we said I do, I waslike that's all I thought about
.
I can have as much sex as Iwant to, and you know, like no
guilt, no, nothing, no Lord, I'msorry.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
No more Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, well, yeah, no running, but none of that.
But really that's what I,that's the, that's what I felt.
I felt like yo, I'm like I tryto treat people the best I can.
I try to do it, you know, and Iwasn't drinking and nothing
like that at the time, and I waslike the only thing I felt like
that would keep me out of thegates of heaven would be

(32:11):
premarital sex.
and so when we said I do, I waslike it's just like all right,
not um okay you know, not thatnight, you know I get up on that
night I was just like, oh, weget it's gonna be amazing and
but, like you said, it was justso much going on because we
didn't even take a weddingpicture, you and I by ourselves,

(32:33):
because we were still who we,yeah, are naturally trying to
make sure everything else wasright we moved forward.
Let's go back yeah, I know, Iknow, but I'm saying my bad.
But okay, so now we were dating, yeah but we went back to the.
You know, on Saturday nights wewouldn't.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yes, okay, and so um, we started just dating, not
completely, not serious but,just dating the end of the
school year.
Um, that was year.
Yeah, that's the our second endof the end of our first year,
okay, the end of our state indallas two years okay so end of

(33:11):
our first year, so that summer,um, I moving going to move out
of my apartment because I didnot know I moved into the ghetto
.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
So I found that out and you spent the summer with.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Sherita, that was the summer prior.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
No, no, it couldn't be the summer prior.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
I spent two summers with Sherita.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
No, the first summer I don't know where you stayed.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
The first summer I did because, I didn't did,
because that's when I got let gowhen I didn't know you.
Yeah, I don't know what you didthen.
Yeah, because I got let go frommy job.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
So yeah, I didn't know you, then I spent two
summers there?
I don't know, I didn't know youthen yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
So I did that something.
So the next summer you went andyou went with sharita.
Yeah, because we was always onthe phone and sharita kept
saying that she loved jones andshe kept saying that's the love
jones right there.
And so she was.
She's like yo, I'm telling you,she's the one.
I'm telling you she kept sayingthat because she would hear how
our conversations were and shewould hear how she said I'm
telling you, she sounds smart,she has a good head on her

(34:20):
shoulders, she teaches, she'snot relying upon anybody.
And you said her family wasamazing, I'm telling you.
And she kept saying that.
And so that is one of thethings that kind of made me okay
, continue to move forward.
Yeah, but it was also scary atthat time.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yes, because you were engaged, no, not.
Then what I mean I'm talkingabout prior to?

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
It was scary to break off something in the short time
.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
And the first person that you dated, that I like
dating, and then it'd be likewhoa, how is it that the first
person I'm starting to date isthe person that I'm already
thinking?
So I'm like, okay, let'sprotect me and let's protect her
.
Is this a rebound thing?
You know, I don't want to.
I don't want it to be a reboundthing, and then all of a sudden
, once I get it out my system,I'm good, you know, and so that

(35:14):
that was that was what made mekind of push back a little bit,
not go as hard in the pain as Idid, you know, when we initially
started off.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, and I could feel that when you came back,
and so that's when somebody cameby and said are you dating Kepa
?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
and I was like.
I was like, yeah, we're dating.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
I was like we're not serious, but we are dating and
they go.
Oh cause?
I asked him and he was like youknow nothing, really no big
deal, nothing like that.
Y'all weren't dating, wasn'tnothing?
really no big deal and so theycame back and told me that I was
like oh okay, so let me justkeep doing my dating thing.

(36:05):
Yeah, um, and so for me, um,because of my previous
relationships and things I don'tput up, I had gotten to where I
don't put up with mess and soI'm just going to keep doing me
and I'm going.
If it is what it is, that wasjust from my own scars and so

(36:26):
when he said that, I was like ohokay, well then, it is what it
is and so when he came to talkto me, I probably was very short
.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
I was like what's going on?

Speaker 1 (36:37):
what also didn't help is during that getting ready to
go back to school, that personcame to say that then, all of a
sudden, I'm I was an sfa trainer, so this teacher that was in my
training, she was at the schooland I was like, hey, I said
what are you doing here?
And she was like, oh, I came byhere to see keifa.
And I said, oh really, and shewas like, yeah, I just came, you

(37:01):
know.
So I was like, oh, okay, and soI didn't say nothing and I did
not invite this lady I didn'tsay nothing to her at all, and I
was her shot.
That's what it was and I waslike oh, okay, so maybe yeah,
okay, let me go and just keep ondoing me.
And so at that point I hadreally much, was like pretty
much.
I was like yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
I'll be done with that, because I'm not going to
be playing the game.
So it made me think that he wasplaying games, that's what I
thought.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah, I didn't know, and I would say I was probably a
little green to a lot of things, you know.
But once I kind of found out, Iwas like what?
And then once I was allowed tospeak my piece to and say, well,
I don't like to tell certainpeople because some people, when
you say, yeah, this was who I'mdating, this is who they feel

(37:59):
like they're not going to saybetter than me, but it's like,
oh, if he can get, I know I canget her.
So then they turn it up a notchand try to take a person from
me.
And I understand people may say, yeah, well, if they're gonna
go, they're gonna go, but it'sjust the you know for me not to
even deal with, like, yeah, nah,nah, nah, I'm good, but what
you talking about you know.
But I, you know, you learn thatsome people are certain ways

(38:21):
and other people aren't.
And, with that being said, itput a uh, some distance in
between us.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yes, it did, and so I said let me move a little bit
slower and let me just kind ofkeep dating and just figuring
out where his head is.
So that was probably likeAugust.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah.
So we had dated, started in May, went to summer, came back in
August and things moved a littlebit slower, and then I think it
was November I had to fly toHouston to speak at a trade

(39:01):
school and on behalf of being onTV and stuff about living your
dreams and stuff like that.
So I was in the airport and Icalled her.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
I think it was Thanksgiving because I was at
home.
I think I was in Kansas.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, I just know I was in the airport.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
No, no, no, you had come to Thanksgiving.
I'm sorry that wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
You went to thanksgiving at my house.
Yeah, okay, yeah, so it wasprior to things, because
thanksgiving was the moment Isaid those magical words okay,
so it was.
It was uh, whenever it was, Iwas in the airport and um, and
she was like I said yo, sowhat's going on, man?
I said I don't feel like we'removing in the same way.
I don't feel like you seriousabout whatever.
And I explained, I said well,I'm, you know, I said I'm, I'm a

(39:41):
little afraid because the firstperson I get serious with
dating and it becomes the personthat I'm really, you know,
feeling for and feel like Idon't want it.
And I said what I said earlierabout I didn't want it to be a
rebound thing.
And I was like yo, how can thefirst person I'm with you know
make me feel like this?
And so she was, you know.
I could hear her on the phonelike okay, yeah, whatever the

(40:03):
ball is in your court, whateveryou want to be with me or you
don't, and I said I do.
And she got quiet.
So I could tell she had alittle soft spot in her heart

(40:25):
because when I said that, I saidI do want to be with you.
She could pause for a minute.
And then she said well, you'regoing to have to show it.
I said, well, you're going tohave to be open to allowing me
to show it and you know I'll beback soon.
Okay, and then, when I got back, from that point on we ain't
been apart since no, yeah, soyou know it was like slowly
getting back, like it was likeit wasn't, like all the time,
cautiousyeah, she was still very
cautious, so so it was, but Imean even still so, whatever she

(40:47):
was doing on her end, I know onmy end, yeah, I was moving
forward, um, because when wewent to kansas, um, I remember
we were in the room and I saidyou don't have to say anything,
I'm not even expecting theanswer from you, but I'm letting
you know how I feel and I'm inlove with you.

(41:09):
I love you and you know I'm notexpecting that Nothing in
return.
You can be quiet for all.
I'll just let you know how Ifeel and she, in return, you can
be quiet for all.
I'll just let you know how Ifeel.
And she was quiet, she didn'tsay nothing, and I didn't expect
her to say nothing, but I toldmyself that I was going to put
my feelings out there,regardless of who it was.

(41:30):
I said, from here on out, ifthere's somebody I'm feeling,
I'm going to put my feelings outthere.
They can accept them or theycan reject them, because I know
I'm a good man, I'm a goodperson and you know I want to
one day get married and grow oldwith my person.
You know, have some amazingkids, and that's it.
I dreamed about that?
I really did, because I comefrom a very cool married family.

(41:54):
My mom and dad have beenchildhood sweethearts and so it
was a dream of mine.
So she didn't say nothing andyou know I was good with it.
I was not like before I wouldhave been turned off.
I'd be like, damn, I'm smiling.
I didn't say nothing but itdidn't bother me and so we
continued on and you know we gotstronger.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Because Christmas I went to your house.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, I went to my house.
We got stronger, you know, dayby day.
You know what I'm saying On myside, I'm telling you on my side
.
I can't speak for her.
We got stronger day by day tome because you know we started
spending more consistent timetogether.
You know, I wasn't holding backfeelings.
I wasn't holding back feelings.
I wasn't holding back things,you know, and just being who I
am generally, he was stillgiving little tests.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Like one day he said all I got we're supposed to go
out to eat and he said all hehad was $5.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Well, we weren't even going to go nowhere.
You said I want to do something.
And I said I want to dosomething.
And I said I would like to dosomething but I can't.
He was like why not?
I said because I'm broke rightnow.
She was broke.
He said yeah.
I said I paid all my bills, youknow.
I said I paid everything.
I said I always try to pay allmy bills the first of the month
and then I buy my groceries forthe month and I have gas money,

(43:21):
you know, stashed away.
And she said well, I want to gosomewhere.
I said I know, I banked, I gotmoney, let's go.
I said oh, I said we're gonnago to movies and go to eat.
I said what?
okay, let's go and I had money.
But I was just trying to seewhat she was gonna say, because
if she would have said I don'thave nothing, or what we're
gonna do, I can't well well, doyou remember?

Speaker 1 (43:37):
saying you only had like ten dollars or five dollars
, I forget whatever amount youwas.
Like we can go to umjack-in-the-box and we went to
jack-in-the-box and I think wegot two yeah, two sandwiches and
two fries.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
That was for real, that was for real.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
I went to jack in the box and I ate my chicken
sandwich and fries.
That was for real and I wasfine with it that was real.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I mean, we used to go to matinees because it was
cheaper but also because I fallyeah she falls asleep.
And that was because I was likeI am not wasting money on this
girl every time we go to dinnerand in a movie she falls asleep.
So we started going to matineesand then eat afterwards.
So I mean, remember I used togo, uh, we used to get those
little queso coupons and wewould just go over there get

(44:26):
queso to was on the border orwhatever.
Yes, we used to go over thereand just eat queso and chips and
then you know that was it.
That was a good little snackfor us.
You know so little stuff likethat.
Yeah, I was putting her throughtests trying to see if she was
a real one.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yes, yeah, and so this is December.
December, we went to Foley.
Yeah, that's where your mom anddad would come back from Hawaii
.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
From Hawaii.
Yeah, First time you met mybrother and my sister.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
I will say the first time I talked to your daddy on
the phone.
He said um well, you don'tsound like a lucretia and I said
what the hell lucretia supposedto sound like?
And I said, oh, okay, but thatis what he said yeah, yeah, yeah
, he did, he did say that I waslike okay I don't know, I don't
know what he expected lucretiato sound like yeah, I don't know
what they expected anyway.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
No, I always surprise my family when it comes to just
anything yeah, so I, I mean Ienjoyed them.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
It was a good trip for for um Christmas, meeting
them and going out to eat I and,oh lord, Mr Van, and I feel
like somebody else was there,but I can't remember who.
I feel like it might have beenone other couple, but it was.

(45:48):
We went to go have hibachi in.
Pensacola.
I remember that that was a nicetrip.
That was a nice trip.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
That was a nice trip.
Definitely the pressure cookerblew up.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yes, so when my mother-in-law?
Well then, not my mother-in-law.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Mother-in-law now, but when?

Speaker 1 (46:09):
she got back from Hawaii, she's like, ooh, ooh, I
mean she would miss the collardgreens.
And so she was like, oh, I didnot have any collard greens when
I was in Hawaii.
And I think they were in Hawaiifor was it two years.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
No, not two years, they was like almost like
several months.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Several months, yeah, several months Okay so they
were in Hawaii for a while.
She hadn't had any collardgreens, and so we got there.
The first day was collardgreens.
Second day collard greens.
Third day, I told Key I saidlisten, I can't eat no more
collard greens.
I said I do not want to hurtyour mama's feelings, but I

(46:46):
can't eat.
He's like well, don't eat themthen.
And so on Christmas dinner, ofcourse, she cooked collard
greens and she put them in apressure cooker and me no, this
wasn't that one, this was adifferent time.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
I think in the pressure cooker and me.
No, this wasn't that one.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
This was a different time I think we know that was
the first, the first time y'all,you met my parents because
juanita, and yes um becausejuanita lived in mobile ronald
ronald ronald um they all werethere, yes, okay.
So my she was cooking thosegreens and then all of a sudden
it just exploded Greens.

(47:19):
So I'm by the greens, so I duck.
Juanita and Rondalyn took offrunning and greens was all in my
braids, all in my hair.
Greens were just everywhere andmy father-in-law was like
you're trying to run out beforewe even get in here yeah so I

(47:42):
remember those greens, but wehad had so many greens I was
like I can't eat another collardgreen yep so that went on and
we were dating.
Everybody was trying to figureit out.
We did not really after thatwhole of people trying to say,
and do we stopped talking aboutit?
And kind of moving in secret.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
So that people didn't really know, but they had
suspicions because they would behiding behind corners.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
it felt like and just watching how we interact with
each other and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
So we tried to keep it a secret at work so people
did not know that we wereactually dating, did not know
that we were actually dating.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah, because once you realize the hater tactic,
you was like, oh so this is whatsome people are about around
here.
So that's when we startedkeeping things on the low.
Yeah, because he was startingto come on strong, real strong,
after that, and saying evenstuff that wasn't even true.
So you know, but hey.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Now, when I met her mom and dad first time, oh my
god, we're not gonna tell thatstory.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
You can tell, no, we're gonna tell it.
No, I'll let you tell it, but II thought your mom was trying
to run me off because she keptcalling me no, my daddy no your
dad was calling me keebler okay,your mom was calling you, oh,
my ex's name.
Yes, okay, yes and so I waslike dang they trying to get me
up out of here.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
I don't think so, because she didn't really but I
didn't know.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I just knew that wasn't my name.
Okay, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
I was like okay uh, huh alright and my daddy was
just being funny because that'swho he is.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, now, they wouldn't get rid of me if they
tried.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
No they would not get rid of you, if you tried.
And so I guess we go througheverything.
We dated May.
He went away from the summer,came back slow start November.
He said I love you.
I think I said it at Christmas,when we were together at
Christmas.
I can't remember.
Think I said it at Christmaswhen we were together at

(49:39):
Christmas.
I can't remember when I said it.
Yeah, but I did at some point.
I said it to you.
I don't think it was Christmas.
Okay, any, who do I know I hadto have said it.
For what?
For what happened in February?
Yeah, in February.
I don't think you would havedone what you did in February
had I not said it.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah, probably not Right.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
So I believe.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
I said it over.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Christmas break At my crib, though I believe I did.
I'm almost certain that I did.
I think it was during the timethat your mom and them weren't
back and you had said to me hesays listen, my mom and daddy
here we weren't back and you hadsaid to me he says listen, my
mom and daddy here.
We can't sleep in the same room, but we can sleep in the same

(50:23):
room until they get here.
Yeah, and so we slept in thesame room until they got back
from hawaii, because they don'tplay that.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
You, if you are not married, even if you're engaged,
you can't sleep, you can'tsleep in the same room.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
I you can't sleep in the same room.
I don't care if you 55.
Right, that's right, it's thesame thing, it's the same rule
for everybody, yeah.
So I believe I said it then,that this is what my memory says
to me.
But so then we went on dating,dating.
I think we finally said at somepoint it is what it is, people

(50:56):
just got to know.
I think that might have been.
We came back from christmasbreak, um, and then in february,
well, before then, what?

Speaker 2 (51:07):
um, in january I was, I was, I knew I was gonna leave
soon.
I was gonna go to la.
Oh yeah, that was my goal.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
my goal was going to go to LA.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Oh yeah, my goal was going to LA and I was like man,
I hope that this don't run heroff, because this is what
happened, you know, before.
And so I was like yo, you knowI want to move to LA, but you
know I want to go.
If I don't get a chance to moveto LA, I want to go out there
during the summer and audition.

(51:37):
And you was like I think that'dbe a good idea.
You're a teacher, you canalways get a job anywhere.
And so I was like, oh, she kindof encouraging me to leave.
Now hold on you trying to getrid of me.
And then I was saying so, if Iwas to move to LA, get a job,
move to LA, you know what I'msaying?
What about?
Would you move out there?

(51:59):
I would love to move to LA.
I've never been there.
I was like, are you serious?
And so we, you know, we went on, we kind of played on that a
little bit and and I you know itwould come up in conversations
and stuff, and I was like now,okay, you serious?
Like yeah, I would, yes, Iwould go with you to LA.
I said, hmm, okay, this mightbe, this might be worth looking
into.
And so I just kept going strong, we kept going stronger.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
And then you want to say the other part, and I will
say for me, I am always open totrying new things, because my
thing is, if I don't like it, myparents, my mom and they've
always said you can always comeback home, and so you don't know
if you don't go.
And so even thinking aboutCalifornia, it's like I've never
been to California.

(52:40):
Let's go see what it is.
You know what it is, or would Ibe open to it?
And so I'm always up for tryingsomething new, because I just
always knew it's more out there.
That's just kind of how it was,and my um, my um, parents, my
parents didn't discourage mefrom doing all the things and so

(53:01):
, anywho.
So come February we were doingValentine's and so we had
decided for Valentine's Day.
We made it a competition whocould be the most romantic with
$25?

Speaker 2 (53:17):
No, that was the first.
Was that the first?
Yeah, because Valentine's Day,that is.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
No, no, no, no, no, no, because I proposed the day
before.
I know it, you didn't let mefinish, so that is what we had
decided.
So you had to be the mostromantic between $25 for
Valentine's Day, so I don't know.
Oh, I was having a rough weekat work with all this drama and

(53:47):
mess and so he said he had saidI paid for you a little spot.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
And there was some other stuff going on.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
You didn't want to reveal some stuff, okay yeah, I
don't even remember what it is,because we were sitting down and
I was helping you take yourbreak.
Oh, yes, and then oh, and alsofor me, I have alopecia and so I
had braids and so I need totake them down.
So I was trying to get my hairredone and so I had a lady who
did my braids great, she'd coverlike the alopecia and

(54:18):
everything and um, taking mybraids down.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
The person that you was going to get help but take
them down was unavailable, andso that's why you yeah, yeah,
because normally Karima yeah,and he was like Karima will help
me, I believe.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
I got to get him down before yeah so I got to get him
down for my appointment and shewasn't available to help me,
and so he said I can help you.
And I was like I don't want youto help me and it became this
yeah, getting really upset aboutit and tears and I was like
what's wrong?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
yeah and you start, and that's when you opened up to
me saying what was wrong, andthen I just, we just hugged for
a long time and she just criedabout it like saying so that
week and it was like the tearsof the week, the tears of you
know, work, work, yeah, work,yeah, you know stressed about
your hair and me seeing it andstuff like that, and so go ahead

(55:06):
so that was the big thing.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
So in who he said well, I'm gonna do some session
for you.
I did scheduled you anappointment, and so I don't know
where the appointment was thatI don't think you told me what
it was, and so I was like okay,and so it was um.
I think it was origins maybe umorigins and um.
One of the malls in dallas hada spa, and so he had scheduled a

(55:30):
body scrub and massage for me,and so um because I had had.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
I had the ring.
I want to say January.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Oh, ok, like at the beginning of January.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
And I had already spoke to her dad in January,
Like oh, they didn't tell methat.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
They were very quiet.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
I got the ring.
I want to say maybe two dayslater.
So it's almost three, fourweeks past before this happened.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
And so we did the.
I was doing the spa treatment.
It was super nice.
Everybody was super nice at thespa.
I didn't really recognize likethey were turned up nice because
you just expect people to benice.
And I'm always very nice whenwe go.
We are just that way, so people.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
No, they were the same.
They were the same.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
People are just so nice and so.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
They were amazing.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
We were there and so I remember after doing the scrub
and I think they were gettingready to do the massage part
with the lotion or oils orwhatever.
And so they said well, I justwant to make you just a little
kind of take more of the lighterway.
I'm going to put on a blindfold.
And I was like I ain't neverheard nobody put on no blindfold
when you do it.
But I didn't, you know, Ithought maybe that's how they do

(56:45):
things here.
And so I was like okay, I'lljust let them do it, because
everything was so great.
And so they were doing all themassaging.
And then when they got over tomy left arm, and then when they
got over to my left arm, I toldthem make sure she's laying down
on her face, on her stomach, sothat she can't see anything and

(57:05):
I could I kind of could tellthat the hands changed but you
was in bliss, I was justenjoying the massage, and it was
him and he did you put the ringon.
I was just enjoying the massage,and it was him and he did you
put the ring on.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yes, because what happened was when the plan was,
when you start massaging herarms and go down to her hand.
I will take over on that partand I'm going to slide the ring
on.
And so he was like oh my God,that's going to be amazing.
And so I went and he got to thearm and then he got to the
elbow and then I started fromthe elbow and went all the way

(57:41):
down and he was asking youquestions like, oh so, are you
dating someone?
And he and she said yes, I am.
Says he's a nice guy, said, oh,yeah, he's a great guy.
Say, oh so, are y'all gettingserious?
Yes, we're getting very serious.
And he said, uh, so if he wasto ask you to marry him, what
would you say?
And you said, oh, I don't know,I don't know, I probably would

(58:04):
say yes.
And so when she said that, Iput the ring on her finger and I
said OK, so will you?
And she stopped.
I said because she realized, oh, that voice is different.
And I said will you I think Iraised the thing you blindfolded
up and the your blindfold upand lifted your head up and then
I still had my hand on the ringand I was kneeling and you said

(58:26):
, looked at and said, shut upshut up shut up.
That's all she kept saying andI was like I said, well, will
you?
And you said, yes, the littledude that was massaging, he,
just he was in tears, he was intears.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
And I'm not like a crier, like that.
I think I cry more now, butthen I was not more.
I get more excited thananything.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, and then.
So you know she was.
I continue with your massageand we'll talk later when you
get outside and I was likecontinue.
Yeah, and so the guy, hecontinued, and so I went out
there and it was like so and Isaid y'all heard it right?
They was, oh my God, they wasgoing crazy at the front.
Like nothing, like this has everhappened to us.
This is amazing, you know, andso, and, and you know, he

(59:13):
finished the massage and thenshe came out, and then we had to
, then we had to go to uh I hadpraise dance.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
I have praise dance practice and I went and told my
friend, one of my best friends,coley she was there.
She's like why are you here?
Then I was like well, we gottadance on sunday.
Yeah, so I went to the praisedance practice or whatever, and
yeah, and also when I went topraise dance practice and talked
about it, I didn't know therewere people there who would be a

(59:39):
little bothered by the news too.
I could see faces kind of beinga bit disappointed.
So I was like well, yeah, sothen that is what it was.
And so, to make things a littlebit more complicated, oh Lord,

(01:00:00):
we talked about we were going tomove on to California.
We were not getting marriedbefore we went.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
We were going to go on, take our time to plan a
wedding and everything, and oursecretary at the school was like
God is not going to be pleasedwith y'all.
Y'all's relationship will notbe blessed if y'all go and move
and live together and you arenot married.

(01:00:26):
And I was like what?
Because it was like if it'ssomething we're going to do,
like it would have to happen soquickly.
And so for me, I've always hada relationship with God.
I feel like God has alwaysplaced people in my life to make
sure, because my parents didn'tgo to church and so.

(01:00:48):
But I always had somebody whomade sure I went to church
throughout my entire life myfriends, neighbors, all the
things.
So I've always had arelationship with God and all
the things.
And so I was like, oh Lord.
So then that really got me tothinking like Lord, we ain't

(01:01:09):
going to be blessed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
And it really made us I think both feel that way when
she said it.
How did it make you feel whenshe said it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I think, both feel that way when she said it.
How did it make you feel whenshe said it?
I mean, it didn't make me feelno, never mind, because I was
like we already shacking up now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Yeah, we were kind of yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
And I said I believe you know we're going to get
married.
Yeah, you know I don't believein no long engagement.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
A year tops is what I wasthinking.
Yeah, yeah.
You know what I'm saying.
A year tops is what I wasthinking.
Yeah, you know, but God hadother plans to have us get
engaged.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
So we pushed it up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Yeah, because well, it was February, so March, april
, may, june.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
July, August.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
So six months later.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Six months later we got married.
So I don't know.
Just things happen the waythey're supposed to happen.
But we dated in May, took abreak, started dating seriously.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
November.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
November, proposed in February and married in August,
and we started trying to havekids in November.
Yeah, we did.
He came home from teachingreproduction in his health class
and he says I think we shouldtry to have a baby.

(01:02:30):
I go, are you sure?
He's like I think we should.
And I said, okay, like ifyou're sure, and I don't know if
I was quite sure, but I feltlike I don't know.
Maybe I felt like as a wife,like if he's wanting to do this,
then let's do it.
And so he had researched themost for my most fertile day,

(01:02:54):
and so on that day we tried um,I think even a specific position
.
I think we even tried toguarantee that it was locked in
and researcher yes, heresearched all of it, and so
then, maybe a couple of dayslater, it was the next day he
talked to his brother and hisbrother was.

(01:03:15):
He was yeah, I think we'regonna go in, start trying to
have kids.
And his brother was like Ithink y'all need to wait, like
y'all just got married in august, it's.
It's only been two or threemonths, you moved to la you're
trying to do your acting.
I I just really feel like y'allshould wait a little bit,
because that may you know impact, you know all what you're
trying to do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
So I think then he thought about it yeah, in my
head I said well, if nothinghappened?

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
last night something did yeah so one try was it.
That was it that brought on thetwo little twin hair boys was
the one try god was like theyneed to be here now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Yes, I got plans for them yep and so um so we'll put
a pin in that, yes, and let's goback to so.
After we're, we get engaged andyou know the normal, all the
bridal books, and we startbuying those, you know, because
that's the lovely thing, becauseI was buying.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
You know, because I was excited so I would buy
bridal books and stuff like, oh,I found this book, you know, I
don't know.
You know ideas about the waythat I'm just as excited as the
wedding, as she is, I think, orI'm probably more excited
because I'm like, yes, it's the.
You know, people say it's thewoman's day.
Dude, she's not there byherself.
So I'm like I'm gonna be, justas you know, excited and active

(01:04:32):
in this thing as anybody.
You know what I mean.
So we paid for all ourself.
Um, how much did it cost?

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
well, um, yeah, we paid for our all ourselves, we.
It was five thousand dollarssay that one more time five
thousand dollars we spent forour wedding.
My mama and my mama they boughtmy dress.
I don't know if they bought myshoes, but I I know they bought
my dress.
Yeah, and then my and actuallywe were someone gifted us the

(01:05:03):
money for our rehearsal dinner.
Who was that Miss?
Was it, miss Missy?
Remember Missy from church.
That was a good friend.
She was more of Colette'sfriend.
She gifted us the money for ourrehearsal dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
She did.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Well, thank you, misty, misty I'm sorry, oh, okay
.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Okay, oh, they had a little change, though I don't
know what they had.
I thought they did yeah,because when she married, yeah,
but I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, she did.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
She blessed us with that and I appreciate and um but
five thousand dollars, fivethousand dollars and I was
getting frustrated because Icould not figure out how we were
going to do this yeah we alsoat the start trying to figure
out where to have the weddingand we originally said thought,
foley, then it was such a bigtravel for my family, yeah, um,
so the central location.

(01:06:00):
We ended up at Dallas.
That ended up being a big deal,but then we figured it out and
um, we ended up having it inDallas and this guy figured it
all out.
Say what you did well, becauseevery time I was frustrated.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
I was like she had a, she had a venue and then the
venue went Gone or it's tooexpensive Too expensive one.
The other one, the dates weren'tright and then they went, they
took dates back or whatever, andshe was on campus not on campus
, but at the school crying.
I was like, well, okay, justlet me handle it, let me handle
it.
And so I said, what are youlooking for?
I just want a place that's bigenough to this and that.

(01:06:34):
So I started calling places.
You know, I started just um, Ithink I don't even know how I
started researching it.
We did have a little bit of theinternet.
So I think yeah, and so I wentin and I and I saw these places
and I said, you know, and I sawthe uh, african-american art
museum and I saw that's ohcultural.
You know we're both educators.

(01:06:54):
I said we love good stuff likethis.
I said let me call them.
And I called the people andthey said you're in luck, this
date is available.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
And so I was telling them, and it was a Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yeah, a Saturday.
And they said, man, we're noteven going to charge you X, Y
and Z for what you got, and itwas less than whatever it was we
was trying to get.
That was just for the receptionyeah, they said we had to use
their caterer but we did one oftheir caterers yeah, well, yeah,

(01:07:26):
but we wound up using ours forbecause, yeah, that's the lady
we went to no, they gave us hername oh, that was who it was
okay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Well, that and that worked for us, because that food
was good it was good and andshe, I don't know, that was a
blessing too, and she gave us adeal because everything like the
cake would have been.
Yeah, she did the cake, Twocakes.
She did two cakes.
She did the groom's cake, thebride's cake.
We said we wanted soul food.
We had roast and baked chicken,collard, greens, macaroni and

(01:07:59):
cheese.
She made a whole fruit andcheese display kool-aid for me
man and we had real plates yesshe brought her real plates and
everything.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Um, yeah, it was and then um and so the wedding venue
.
She couldn't find a weddingvenue and then I said I got, and
so I called the Rose Garden inDallas.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
It's not the Rose Garden Arboretum?
I think no, it's the BotanicalGarden.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Botanical Garden, sorry, botanical Garden.
So the Botanical Garden, dallasBotanical Garden, saturday no
dates, never available.
And this was August and theyhad the date available and it
was the Rose Garden, the Roseavailable, and it was the Rose
Garden, the Rose Garden, and itwas like $500.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Yeah, we ended up getting gypped on something
because we started late.
Yeah, but it was because of therain and they said that's not
our fault.
Yeah, so we went over, so wehad to pay.
We had to pay.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Well, maybe, okay, it was, maybe it was a grand and
we had to pay five.
Yeah, yeah, and so, uh, butwhatever it was, mind y'all, we,
we're outside in the freakingrose garden, you know, beautiful
, beautiful, beautiful facility,and it started raining like
right before the wedding andthen, right when creed's limo

(01:09:13):
pulled up, boom like was it.
Did it stop right then, or it?
Did you have to sit for alittle?

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
bit.
First of all, I did not have alimo.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
You didn't have a limo.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Oh, it was a black car, my bad.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Well, me and my brothers was in there.
Karima pulled me up in her CRVor whatever car she had then my
bad, that's a limo.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
My whole crew, we laughed the whole time during
the wedding.
So I just know they said she'shere.
So I don't know what you had, Ijust know they said she's here,
so we're getting ready.
Because we was in the waitingroom and I said, all right, cool
, and so all of that $5,000.
Now, mind you, of course, withthe reception we didn't serve

(01:09:56):
alcohol, so that's probably abig expense because at the time
I didn't drink and I wantedpeople to enjoy themselves
without the alcohol.
And they did.
I think they did, and if theydidn't pay, that's on you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
And one of our parents volunteered to be the DJ
from one of our parents Not ourparents.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
I should say that was what's name from church.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Oh, that's who DJ.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Okay, and you know what he does now, victor, no,
not.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Victor.
Victor was the usher.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Okay, you know what he does now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
It was Carlton.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Carlton has a business and they make
customized suits for athletes.
Oh, like for teams.
Okay For athletes.
Oh, like for teams.
Okay, because he playedbasketball at University of
Texas, okay, so they make suitsfor, like college team and pro
professional people.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Oh well, he DJ'd for us.
Yeah, he DJ'd for us and he didgreat.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Yeah.
And then one of our parentsfrom our school did the
photography, got the guy to dothe photography, yeah, but with
that we didn't have a script, sowe missed out on photos.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Yeah, we missed out on some photos, but it was okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
I mean, everything was reasonable.
But see, this is what's so coolabout all that stuff.
It's like we don't have nophoto of you and I by ourselves
in our wedding thing, but themarriage is solid.
But you got people that haveeverything look like a picture,
perfect.
It don't do nothing, it don'tgo anywhere, unfortunately not

(01:11:23):
bragging about it, but I'm justsaying you know so, a lot of
times we put our um, our energyin the wrong spot.
Yeah, we put our energy in oneday and expect that one day to
be magical for the rest of ourlives when that's when the hard
work comes in, that's when thehard work starts.
After that magical day to bemagical for the rest of our
lives, when that's when the hardwork comes in.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
That's when the hard work starts.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
after that magical day, yeah, yeah, yeah, like we
said on a few seasons before,when we was talking about that I
mean a few episodes before,when we was talking about that
girl and that man, when the mansaid something about her gaining
the weight, yeah, and we wassaying how I think TD and we
were saying how I think TDJakesworth said you know, you

(01:12:02):
walk up to the altar with yourboyfriend that's who you propose
to but you leave away therewith a husband and a wife that
you don't even know, because youdon't know them in that role.
Right, you only know them inthe other role.
And so that's you're right.

(01:12:22):
And so that's what they write,that that hard work kicks in
when you, when you jump thatbroom, you know that's when that
hard work kicks in.
And but for me it is hard workbecause but it's not hard.
You understand what I'm sayingBecause you got like being a
good person and doing my job isnot hard because it's something
I'm supposed to do.
So I don't, I don't think aboutlike, like going to the gym is
harder to me because some days Ireally don't feel like, and

(01:12:43):
what do I do?
I don't go, but I try to showup every day as a good person to
you.
You see what I'm saying.
So, that's what I'm saying.
So it's like it's not hard tome to do that, but it's like
going to the gym is harder.
Yeah, you know so, and I I seewhy some people don't because
they don't have it in them yeah,yeah they don't have it they

(01:13:05):
don't really.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
They didn't, they didn't really know what, what
marriage is, or or the work, orthey.
It's just kind of like a umfairy tale like they get caught
up in the fairy tale, and everyday.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
It's not a fairy tale , because life is real yeah, and
both people gotta want it to mejust as much.
Yes both because you can want tobe married, but that other
person, they can care less andit's not gonna work.
Yeah, but you both have to wantit just as much and you know I
was blessed to have someone thatwants it just as bad as I do.
You know so.
So that makes it even easier todo those things.

(01:13:43):
You know, it's just becausewhen you're struggling and you
see somebody next to youstruggling too but they know
that it's going to be all rightit makes you push even harder.
You know I'm saying um, but sothat's how we met and we met and
got together together and

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
we still together and we still together, and so,
anywho, that's, that's, that'sit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Yeah, that's our little, that's our little.
Uh, the dating es.
Yes, our dating escapade.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
I know the story sounds simple and fun and lovely
and all that.
We've come 22 years later andwe've had all the things in 22
years of like kids and financesand moving and doing all the
things that you know.
It all is lovely but, like wesaid before, it's like you got

(01:14:44):
to have two people that want todo the work, to go through all
the ups and downs and all thethings.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Yeah, I can honestly say I loved every minute of it,
though.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Even the tough times.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Yeah, because if I didn't love it enough, I don't
think I would have made itthrough.
You understand, I honestly dolike I know things are going to
be tough, but and that's whatI'm saying like it was easy to
go through tough times with youbecause you were worth the tough
times.
Aww, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like, and that's what,when people see us, they be like

(01:15:26):
how'd y'all get you know?
How'd y'all do it?
What did y'all?
You know what's y'all story?
Because it comes off like, youknow, there's so much glow and
joy in us that when people,people are paying attention to
us, when we're not payingattention, so we can't turn it
on, it's always on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Yeah, I think a lot of I can't say my joy, and
everything was always turned on,but I feel like you enhanced
and helped me to grow, where nowmy joy exudes and shines
through.
I don't feel like it always did, but I feel like it does now,
but I think that's just becauseof you, thank you, helping me to

(01:16:08):
grow into the person I mean.
I think that's why we were puttogether.
Yeah, I do too.
For me to reach whateverpotential or whatever that I was
supposed to reach.
It's for me to reach whateverpotential or whatever that I was
supposed to reach.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
So and I know you encouraged my, my being like.
You encouraged me to smile, youencouraged me to be the silly
person.
Do that, do that dance again.
Do that Say, say what such andsuch said again you, you
encouraged that there was apoint where he would not do it.
Yeah, Because it just I don'tknow what, what that light?

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
was, though I know your light was a little dim.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
I think that was probably the world, too many
knows Maybe.
Yeah, I think that was Georgia,remember, I hated Georgia for a
minute.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
You did.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Yeah, I'm not saying I love Georgia now, but I love
cause it's still difficult.
But you know, I love, uh, Ilove life, and so I don't care
where I am.
If I got my boys, my wife, Icould be anywhere.
I think I'm straight.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
I mean we have.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
I mean it took a minute to get there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Yeah, I will say we have grown and I think now that
I won't say just now, it's beena while that the joy and all
that exudes through us, but Ithink it's because just us with
one another, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Anywho.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
So that's the story, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
That's the story.
So I hope you learned somethingfrom that and, if you did, let
us know.
You know, when we post theclips, the soundbites or
whatever, go to our Instagrampage, facebook, wherever you

(01:17:56):
know you can, and, you know, letus know how you like it.
Like I said, please comment,like and subscribe to our
podcast so that you can get theweekly updates when we drop a
new episode.
But please let us know how youlike this episode.
If you got questions, you knowyou want us to answer on the
next episode, you can either DMthrough the uh, the refreshingly

(01:18:19):
normal.
It's refreshingly underscorenormal uh on.
Instagram, um, or you know, um,once you click on the podcast,
if you do it, uh, not in yourcar, you can't do it.
But if you do it on your phone,it's a part that says, uh,
email us or text us.
You can click on that and youcan ask us a question or comment

(01:18:40):
about it.
But hey, you know that's whatwe do.
Man and Cree is a L, is it LAPC?

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
LAPC Licensed Associate Professional Counselor
.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
But what does that certificate say?
What kind?

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Marriage and family.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Come on now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Or family and marriage.
Come on now.
Or family and marriage.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Come on now.
Marriage and family, mf, mf,something I don't know Marriage
and family.
Yeah, yes, MFT, marriage andfamily therapist, Come on now so
you know we we're not justtalking over here.
She got the, she got the, I doyes.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Got a fancy certificate.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
That's right.
That's right.
So, but thank y'all, man, wereally appreciate it and we hope
you come back.
Yes, thank you, love y'all,bye-bye, love you, bye, bye, bye
, bye, Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye,bye.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Bye, thank you.