September 25, 2023 • 37 mins
Ever wondered why the Jews and Samaritans were at odds with each other despite having a common ancestry? Join us today as we unravel the intriguing origins of the Samaritans and delve into the contentious history between these two communities through the lens of biblical stories. We shed light on the remarkable encounter of Jesus with the Samaritan woman at the well, a pivotal moment that marked a shift in religious paradigms. Savor the profound message Jesus imparts to her, and to us: that true worshipers must worship in spirit and truth.
Does the cryptic phrase "for what you did not labor, others have labored and you have entered into their labor" baffle you? Stick around, as we decode Jesus' metaphorical description of the Samaritans as a harvest and dissect his statements that continue to shape religious discourse today. We reflect on Jesus' mysterious statement about having "food to eat that [they] don't know about," unpacking its meaning and significance.
The miraculous story of Jesus healing an official's son from miles away—does it sound implausible? We take a closer look at this captivating story, exploring the initial doubt of the official and the transformative power of faith. Engage with us as we discuss the importance of church accountability and the vital role of deepening faith in our spiritual journey. Learn how sharing your experiences with other believers and embracing the leap of faith can fortify your connection with God. Join us on this enlightening journey that could inspire your own faith journey.
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Ken (00:08):
Hi, you are listening to the Regular Guys Bible Study
Podcast.
We are your host, ken and Steve, and we are just Regular Guys
studying the Bible.
Steve (00:21):
Not theologians, that's right.
Ken (00:34):
Alright, steve, how's it going?
Pretty good.
How are you, ken?
Well, you know, I mean we'vebeen talking for a while, so you
know I'm doing pretty well.
Good, hold it.
Steve (00:44):
What is that?
Am I doing?
Ken (00:46):
pretty good or I'm doing pretty well.
I think I'm doing pretty good.
Steve (00:52):
I think it's good here yeah.
Ken (00:54):
I think I'm doing good.
Steve (00:57):
You worked on that project and you did it well.
Yeah, did I, but you feel good.
Ken (01:03):
Okay, I don't know if that really answers my question, but
you know what I'm going to gowith it, alright, steve, last
time we left off with somequestions and feeling pretty
stupid about ourselves or I feltstupid about myself.
Steve (01:23):
I have to admit I felt stupid for you, thanks.
Ken (01:28):
Thanks, I really appreciate that.
So some of the questions we hadwere about the Samaritans, and
you know why did the Samaritansand the Jews not get along?
Steve (01:46):
So what I found is the Samaritans were, I think, from
the tribe of Israel.
You know, you had Judah andIsrael, and Israel broke off
before Judah from God, and thenyou had the dyspora, or whatever
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they call that, where they gotsent off into the they all got
decapolis split up and thenforeigners came in and the
Samaritans married with theforeigners, and so they kind of
deluded the line of the chosenpeople.
Ken (02:29):
Yeah, you're right, I saw that too.
I also read that they.
And one thing that reallyirritated the Jews is that they
built a temple on a mountain, Iguess in Samaria.
Steve (02:46):
Well, wasn't it the mountain that Moses got this 10
commandments off?
Ken (02:50):
of.
I did not read which mountainit was, but I read that they
built their own temple, wherethey're saying that the temple
has to be in Jerusalem.
But one thing that's sointeresting is they had the Jews
had such hatred for theSamaritans that they would walk
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miles out of the way and crosswater that was difficult to
cross so that they would notwalk through Samaria.
Steve (03:25):
Just to avoid them.
Ken (03:27):
So I mean and it seemed like the Samaritans in a lot of
cases knew they were secondclass citizens to the Jews,
right the way they responded, Imean certainly the way this
woman at the well responded.
Steve (03:43):
That's the case.
Ken (03:45):
Right, okay, so what we're going to do even though we read
we went one through 26 laststudy we're going to go ahead
and read the whole story, just,and we're going to pick it up in
27, but let's read the wholestory.
Do you want me to read that,steve, or you want to read it
the whole shebang?
(04:06):
One through 45.
Yeah, yeah, all right, let'sread the whole story.
Steve (04:15):
All right, I'll give it a shot.
I mean, if you get tired, youneed a break.
I'll tap out.
Ken (04:21):
Yeah, just yeah, we can do that.
Steve (04:23):
It's like a wrestling match from the 80s All right Now
.
When Jesus learned that thePharisees had heard that Jesus
was making and baptizing moredisciples than John although
Jesus himself did not baptize,but only his disciples he left
Judea and departed again forGalilee, and he had to pass
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through Samaria.
So he came to a town of Samariacalled Sychar, near the field
that Jacob had given to his son,joseph.
Jacob's well was there also.
So Jesus, weird as he was fromhis journey, was sitting beside
the well.
It was about the sixth hour,which is around noon, that's
right.
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A woman from Samaria came todraw water.
Jesus said to her give me adrink, for his disciples had
gone away into the city to buyfood.
Samaritan woman said to him howis it that you, a Jew, ask for
a drink from me, a woman ofSamaria, for Jews have no
dealings with Samaritans.
Jesus answered her if you knewthe gift of God and who it is
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that is saying to you give me adrink, you would have asked him
and he would have given youliving water.
The woman said to him sir, youhave nothing to draw water with
and the well is deep.
Where do you get that livingwater?
Are you greater than our fatherJacob.
He gave us the well and drankfrom it himself, as did his sons
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and his livestock.
Jesus said to her everyone whodrinks of this water will be
thirsty again, but whoeverdrinks of the water that I will
give him will never be thirstyagain.
The water that I will give himwill become in him a spring of
water welling up to eternal life.
The woman said to him sir, giveme this water so that I will not
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be thirsty or have to come hereto draw water.
Jesus said to her go call yourhusband and come here.
The woman answered him I haveno husband.
Jesus said to her you are rightin saying I have no husband,
for you have had five husbandsand the one you have now is not
your husband.
What you have said is true.
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The woman said to him sir, Iperceive that you are a prophet.
Our fathers worshiped on thismountain, but you say that in
Jerusalem is the place wherepeople ought to worship.
Jesus said to her women believeme, the hour is coming when
neither this mountain nor inJerusalem will you worship the
Father.
You worship what you do notknow.
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We worship what we know, forsalvation is from the Jews.
But the hour is coming and isnow here, when the true
worshipers will worship theFather in spirit and truth, for
the Father is seeking suchpeople to worship him.
God is spirit, and those whoworship him must worship in
spirit and truth.
The woman said to him I knowthat Messiah is coming, he who
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is called Christ.
When he comes, he will tell usall things.
Jesus said to her.
I who speak to you am he?
Ken (07:25):
Tap, Tap out, All right.
Just then his disciples cameback.
They marveled that he wastalking with a woman, but no one
said what do you seek or whyare you talking with her?
So the woman left her jar, lefther water jar, and went away
into the town and said to thepeople come see a man who told
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me all that I ever did.
Can this be the Christ?
They went out of the town andwere coming to him.
Meanwhile the disciples wereurging him, saying Rabbi, eat.
But he said to them I have foodto eat that you don't know
about.
So the disciples said to oneanother has anyone brought him
something to eat?
Jesus said to them my food isto do the will of him who sent
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me and to accomplish his work.
Do you not say there are yetfour months and then comes the
harvest.
Look, I tell you, lift up youreyes and see that the fields are
white, with white for harvestAlready.
The one who reaps is receivingwages and gathering fruit for
eternal life, so that sower andreaper may rejoice together.
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For here the saying holds trueone sows and another reaps.
I sent you to reap that forwhich you did not labor.
Others have labored and youhave entered into their labor.
Many Samaritans from that townbelieved in him because of the
woman's testimony.
He told me all that I ever did.
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So when the Samaritans came tohim, they asked him to stay with
them, and he stayed there twodays and many more believed
because of his word.
They said to the woman it is nolonger because of what you said
that we believe, for we haveheard for ourselves.
We know that this is indeed thesavior of the world.
And two days, after two days,he departed for Galilee, For
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Jesus himself had testified thata prophet has no honor in his
own hometown.
So when he came to Galilee, theGalileans welcomed him, having
seen all that he had done inJerusalem at the feast, For they
too had gone to the feast.
Alright, that was a lot.
It's a big story.
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It's a big story.
So you know the reason I wantedto read that is.
It dawned on me this week whenI was looking over some other
Bible study notes, for adifferent thing, and it dawned
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on me.
It reminded me of a reallycommon Bible study method.
And one of those things is toask you know, what does this
story say about God?
And when you look at this story.
I think that it's a greatquestion to ask as a whole.
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You know, instead of justlooking at a paragraph, when you
look at this whole story, whatdoes this story say about God?
Steve (10:36):
I think it says that he comes for both the Jews and the
Gentiles, because I think theSamaritans, basically at this
point, are considered Gentiles.
They may have been Jews at onepoint, but yeah, I think they're
considered Gentiles.
They're watered down for lackof a better term, and not pure
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Jew.
Ken (10:59):
Right, and you know from what I read oftentimes, like I
said earlier, they would justcompletely go around Samaria so
that they wouldn't have to walkthrough it.
He not only walked through it,but he stayed two extra days.
Steve (11:14):
And revealed that he was the Christ.
Ken (11:17):
He did.
He revealed to the Samaritansthat he's the Christ.
Steve (11:22):
Yep.
Ken (11:23):
So I mean, I think one thing that says about God like
it's, but people are people.
I mean, you know people, allpeople are people God loves.
And in fact, if youlet's see,inwhat verse is that?
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In verse something?
When the disciples come backand talk to him, they it says,
the people dang it.
Where am I?
Steve (12:07):
They marveled that he was talking with a woman.
Ken (12:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm talking about the people coming
from the town.
Steve (12:14):
Oh, that's toward the bottom.
Ken (12:16):
No, no, they went out of the town and were coming to him,
so the people were coming tohim while he's talking to his
disciples, when he says, when hestarts talking about, look, the
fields are white with harvest.
The people are on their way tosee him, so he's calling the
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Samaritans the harvest.
So he is making it very clearthat people who want, who
believe in him, people who youknow want forgiveness or you
know they, are welcome.
So I think that says a lotabout who God is right there.
Steve (13:05):
Yep.
Ken (13:08):
All right.
So another question there'sanother question in that that's
commonly used is what does itsay about Jesus?
But it kind of says the samething, yeah.
And another thing it says iswhat is this?
How does this apply to us?
Steve (13:34):
I think the when he says what you just said about look,
you're here to reap someoneelse's soad and now you're
reaping, and that for what youdid not labor, others have
labored and you have enteredinto their labor.
Ken (13:54):
What does that mean exactly ?
Who labored?
Steve (13:58):
That part I'm not so sure about.
I guess the people that carriedon the tradition of worshiping
God among the Samaritans Well, Iget confused in this and there
can be two completely differentthings.
Ken (14:15):
For, oh nice, you're on there.
Steve, am I boring you?
Is God's word boring to you?
No, it's just kind of late.
It is kind of late, sorry aboutthat.
Anyway, he says where I sentyou to reap that for which you
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did not labor.
Is he talking about sendingthem into the town to get food?
No, he's talking about Becausehe did.
He sent them into the town tobuy food.
Steve (14:52):
That's not the message I get from this.
Ken (14:57):
I agree.
Steve (14:58):
His food is to do the will of him who sent me, and to
accomplish his work.
Do you not say there are yetfour months.
Then comes the harvest.
Look, I tell you, lift up youreyes and see that the fields are
white for harvest.
Ken (15:14):
Okay, so I understand and I don't believe what I said is
true, but I'm just saying thatfrom a literal standpoint, and
maybe he has a double meaninghere, where he means that and he
means that the all the profitsfrom before are the laborers
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that came before.
I mean, even the woman at thewell knew about this coming
Christ, that they are waitingfor Even the Samaritan one Are
you?
Steve (15:51):
saying that the disciples are profiting from the
prophet's labor.
Ken (15:59):
Yes, they're profiting from the prophets.
That's a very funny joke, Steve.
Steve (16:08):
I'm sure everyone is.
We'll give you all a littleminute here to catch your breath
If you're driving right now.
I apologize if you're crying.
Ken (16:20):
Oh man, pull over, pull over right now, don't you gotta
keep your eyes up?
And if your eyes are full oftears right now, in humor, humor
, tears.
Steve (16:34):
Not boredom tears.
Ken (16:36):
There's that called humority, humority kind of like
okay that was really bad.
Steve (16:43):
sorry, I don't know what that was.
Ken (16:46):
Humidity, but humor to tears.
Steve (16:49):
Keep explaining it, it'll get better.
Ken (16:54):
Oh my gosh, okay, All right .
So how can we apply this, Steve, this story?
Steve (17:08):
The great commandment is to go and disciple all the
nations, which is a little bitof sewing and reaping.
Ken (17:20):
Well, sometimes it's sewing , sometimes it's sewing and
reaping, sometimes it's onlyreaping or sometimes it's
reaping.
Steve (17:29):
Or sometimes there's a drought and sometimes there's a
drought, that is true.
Ken (17:36):
So he's really talking to us about how we should see other
people.
Steve (17:43):
My wife is totally against that.
Ken (17:46):
No, that's not what I mean by seeing other people.
I mean when we look at datingpeople no, no, see, you got me
messed up.
No, when we look at the peoplearound us, the people when
you're in Costco and you seelike 5,000 people on a Saturday
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and you're wondering why did Icome here on Saturday?
Steve (18:11):
And why are they all in line to check out when I am
Exactly?
Ken (18:16):
That is the harvest and we need to see those people as the
harvest and not people in my way.
Steve (18:25):
Oh, that's hard.
Yeah, that's like saying I haveto look at the person that just
cut me off in traffic and think, gee, I need to love on them a
little.
Ken (18:37):
Yeah.
Steve (18:39):
I don't know, that's hard , yeah, so, but I see where
you're going.
I mean the Samaritans.
These are Jews, they don't likeSamaritans, and yet they're
being called to go to thesepeople that they don't really
like.
Ken (18:53):
Yeah.
Steve (18:54):
And they're not for basically dumb reasons, let's be
honest.
But still, they've been taughtto not like them and yet they're
supposed to go and reap andRight.
Yeah, that's hard.
Ken (19:07):
Yeah, um.
I also think Jesus is funny howhe answers the disciples.
He goes I have food to eat thatyou don't know about.
Steve (19:26):
Hey, suckers, I sent you to town.
I've been back here eating aSnickers bar.
Ken (19:30):
It's like.
It's like it's just like what?
Well, it's like, has someonebrought him food?
It's like did he really expectthem to understand what he's
talking about when he said that?
Steve (19:44):
That's a good point yeah.
Ken (19:46):
Yeah, I'm not sure it's like.
It seems like one of thosethings you say and then you
realize, oh gosh, they are solost.
Steve (19:55):
Well, they did urge him to eat, that's true, and I think
he was saying I don't have timeto eat right now.
This is more important.
This is.
This is my food.
This is why I'm here.
Ken (20:08):
Yeah, you're probably right , I usually am.
Yeah, you're pretty smart likethat.
Um, so, um, then he, uh, hesays then he goes, he departs
after that, after staying for acouple of days, um, and people
start believing, you know, forother reasons, not just because
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she said so.
Um, then he departs for Galilee.
Um, and I found thisinteresting it says he goes to
Galilee and then it says for,jesus himself had testified that
a prophet has no honor in hisown hometown, but he's not in
his own hometown.
Steve (20:47):
I don't get this, you know what.
Ken (20:49):
This is why I have a wife.
I talked to my wife about thisand I said I don't understand
this.
He's not in his own hometown.
And she said yeah, that's whyhe didn't go through his own
hometown.
Apparently, his hometown is onthe way, uh, so, uh, I guess
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Nazareth.
He did not go into Nazareth,even though it was right there,
did they?
Steve (21:17):
come from Galilee into Samaria, samaria, whatever, yeah
, and then change their mind andgo back to Galilee.
Ken (21:28):
Well, no, remember he was in Jerusalem.
He went, he was in Galilee andhe went to Jerusalem.
Oh, he's headed back and nowhe's going back to Galilee.
But he could have gone throughNazareth right but but cause he
has no honor and there's noreason to go there.
He's not feeling the love, butwe haven't.
Steve (21:53):
He hasn't gone there in the book of John so far he has
not recorded that yet.
Ken (21:58):
Is it in John or is it only in the other gospel?
Steve (22:01):
I know it didn't go well when he did go right and I don't
know All right, but there wassomething you skimmed over there
I want to touch on oh yeah,when the other Samaritan said I.
Know longer because of what yousaid that we believe, for we
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have heard ourselves and we knowthat this is indeed the savior
of the world.
So we talked last time abouthow she's going to the well at
noon and she's For lack of abetter word kind of a slot.
I.
Ken (22:42):
Think that's really rude of you to say well.
Steve (22:45):
That's the impression we get here.
Ken (22:48):
Well, she's definitely had some promiscuous, is the better
word perhaps but I mean, she wasmarried.
Multiple times right now, andnow she's not married.
Steve (23:02):
Anyway, it was against the accepted practices of the
time.
Yes, so all these people cameon her word, which is saying
something, because she was kindof shunned, and Now they're
saying, oh, we don't have torely on you anymore, we believe
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on our own.
Ken (23:24):
Okay, First of all, are you done with your?
Steve (23:28):
little comment, yeah, okay.
Ken (23:29):
First of all, I thought about this too, and I think
she's not just shunned, butshe's also a Shamed yeah.
So she's going at noon Becauseshe could be going at noon,
because she doesn't want to hearpeople talking about her, avoid
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the confrontation, yeah.
And Then she goes like, insteadof suddenly, instead of being
Not being around people, she'sgoing to people and saying, not
caring about her status, hmm,right.
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And saying you know she'sharvesting, I know she is,
that's right, she's the oneharvesting, or or Something.
But yeah, she's, regardless ofher status, she's willing to go
talk to these people in the townand I think that peaks their
interest because it's likeYou're not, you don't normally
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do this, right.
Steve (24:40):
But she did know all the guys, so she went and talked to
him and Okay, steve, that's justkid, or Okay?
Ken (24:49):
She?
Steve (24:51):
The guys are just as guilty as she is and I'm sure
she is forgiven now.
Ken (24:58):
All right, let's actually let's go on.
If we're done with that story,why don't we go to the next
story?
It's a pretty short one.
Steve (25:05):
Do we have time?
Ken (25:05):
we've got about 10 minutes.
All right, let's go on to thenext one.
This is John 46 through 54.
Do you want me to start thisone?
I can read it, all right, gofor it.
Steve (25:19):
So he came again to Cana and Galilee where he had made
the water wine, and at Copernumthere was an official whose son
was ill.
When this man heard that Jesushad come from Judea to Galilee,
he went to him and asked him tocome down and heal his son, for
he was at the point of death.
So Jesus said to him Unless yousee signs and wonders, you will
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not believe.
The official said to him sir,come down before my child dies.
Jesus said to him go, your sonwill live.
The man believed the word thatJesus spoke to him and went on
his way.
As he was going down, hisservants met him and told him
that His son was recovering.
So he asked them the hour whenhe began to get better.
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And they said to him yesterday,at the seventh hour, the fever
left him.
The father knew that was thehour when Jesus had said to him
your son will live.
And he both, he himself,believed in all his household.
This was now the second signthat Jesus did when he had come
from Judea to Galilee.
Ken (26:21):
All right.
So what was the first sign?
Steve (26:24):
I guess the wine.
Ken (26:27):
I.
Steve (26:28):
Guess so.
Yeah they mentioned it in verse46.
Yeah, you made the water towine, that's right, all right so
.
Ken (26:38):
So let's ask those same questions again.
So what does this story Tell usabout God?
Steve (26:51):
So it's a little harder here, because my impression,
when I see Jesus with his firstcomment of unless you see signs
and wonders, you will notbelieve that he's Kind of fed up
, that people are always wantingto show, and so he gives this
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remark of I had not here to justdo a show for you people, you
need to repent and believe.
But then the guys begs againand God or Jesus says go, your
son will live.
But there's a thing there wherethe man believed the word that
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Jesus spoke to him and went onhis way.
I Think that's a big part of it.
The man did believe withoutseeing.
I Don't know where I'm goingwith this.
Ken (27:47):
Please take over, okay because the question was what
does this say about God?
Steve (27:51):
I mean, you're saying good stuff right, because I
don't know where I was goingwith it.
Ken (27:56):
Yeah, I'm sure you're gonna say something and and, and you
know you free.
Then you just start babbling,and it was good babbling.
But so I think one thing thissays about God is that he wants
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people to believe Without seeingRight.
So it's easy to believe when tobelieve someone.
What am I trying to say?
See, now I'm stupid, just likeyou.
Steve (28:37):
I Think you're trying to say if you see something, it's
easier to believe it.
Yes, but the skeptic in me, ifI see somebody do something that
Looks like magic, I'm gonna say, oh, it's a trick.
It's a trick, right.
I mean, granted, the stuff hedid was a Couple of steps beyond
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typical magic tricks, likemaking people see again and walk
when they're lame, and rightwater to wine, but, or, you know
, healing a son from miles away.
Ken (29:17):
Right.
So the interesting thing hereis, though there wasn't even a
magic show here.
Steve (29:25):
Yeah, he was just apparently walking, right he.
Ken (29:29):
I'm sure he's heard of Jesus doing great things because
of earlier and he wants him toheal his son.
He doesn't see Anything but hebelieves.
Now.
I Think there is a manner youknow there was.
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There's a verse somewhere inthe Bible where Jesus talks to
somebody and says Somethingabout do you believe?
And he says I believe, Help myunbelief right.
So Sometimes I don't know aboutyou, but sometimes I want to
believe Right and and I think Ido believe.
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But I know I have skepticism inme and you can tell I believe
that this man has a little bitof that in there.
When he asked his servant, whattime did he start getting?
Well, because he was wanting toverify that it was that time.
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So I think there is, you know,he believes with a little bit of
doubt with a little bit ofdoubt and that, and then the,
the servant, verifies that timewas the, the right time or at
the same time.
So Did we answer the questionabout what this says about God?
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I Don't think so.
Steve (31:03):
I think we're running out of time.
Ken (31:05):
No, we're not, we have four minutes.
Steve (31:07):
My wife just tapped at a wrist.
Ken (31:10):
Oh, you know what?
It's not a tap out, yet we'reclose.
We are close, but what doesthis say about God?
I Think Well, already said whatI think it says about God, but
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what does it say about man?
Steve (31:37):
I Think it says we have to have faith.
Ken (31:43):
Yeah, we need to have faith in God.
Even Jesus did not go followhim home.
No, I think this man reallywanted him to go follow him home
.
Come to my house and heal myson, right.
Steve (32:01):
Yeah, and the man was desperate.
His he's definitely gone a longways because it's not like the
same a block away or something.
This is long enough for him toask what time did my son get
healed?
So it's, it's a couple hourwalk, I'm assuming maybe even a
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more than a day maybe andBecause it was yesterday at the
seventh hour.
Oh, yeah, you're right, so it'sat least.
But he had been desperate ifhe's leaving his dying son To go
see this man that turned waterinto wine.
Ken (32:44):
Yeah.
Steve (32:47):
I you think you'd have to have a little more than that,
because Water into wine does nottranslate to healing a person
on their death bed.
I think he's heard more thanthat.
Okay, because you're right andJesus's response sort of
indicates that too, and that yousee signs and wonders you will
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not believe.
Ken (33:13):
Yeah, so what should we do with this?
How should we respond?
Steve (33:24):
Hmm, I guess we need to have more faith than what we ask
for and pray for.
I.
Ken (33:35):
Agree.
And when you think about thisalso, how much are we willing to
do, how much are we willing togive up?
To seek God for our family, forthe things we pray for, because
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he went at least a day'sjourney.
Steve (34:05):
Yeah, with the possibility of coming home to a
dead son.
Ken (34:08):
Yeah, so you know, when I think of that, it just seems
like my faith is weak.
Steve (34:18):
Oh, I Definitely no, mine is not yeah very strong.
I just I feel like a big wimpsometimes.
Ken (34:27):
Yeah, I Mean, yeah, I'm agreeing that you are a big wimp
, yeah, no, so yeah, and it'shard to do, but you know, I
don't know how to, how to makethat, that step when it's needed
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.
I Don't need to make it rightnow.
I don't think so how can you,steve, make sure you make that
next step?
If you have this step that youneed to make, what's gonna make
you make it a Leap of faith?
What's gonna make you make thatstep?
Steve (35:12):
I Don't know.
Do you have an answer?
Ken (35:18):
I do that okay.
Steve (35:20):
I'm hoping you have an answer to the question.
Is my answer.
Ken (35:22):
This is my answer accountability with other
believers and being the thing isencouragement by other
encouragement by other believers, but this is my.
What I've seen a lot inbelievers is that they get
together and they talk aboutvery frivolous things and no one
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wants to be very vulnerableabout who they are right, about
what God is really doing intheir lives or how they're not
allowing God to do anything intheir lives.
And we live these surface liveswith each other and unless
you're willing to be vulnerablewith the people around you, no
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one's gonna know, no one's evengonna care to say you're not
gonna have a deep enoughrelationship with people that
they'll say Steve, you got to godo this thing.
Steve (36:15):
So I think you just hit the nail on the head of what's
wrong with our society today.
Ken (36:21):
Well.
I don't know if it's all ofsociety, but it's.
It's a, it's actually a problem.
I see in the church when it's,there's a lot of surface
relationships in the church, andI think we have to be willing
to go deeper with each other,all right?
Well, I think that's it, steve.
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You have anything else you wantto add?
Steve (36:45):
nope, I think we're done.
Should I drop the mic?
Ken (36:49):
No, don't drop the mic.
You didn't pay for that thing,I did.
Okay, all right guys, thanks alot.
I hope you enjoyed this one.
I thought it was.
I learned a lot actuallystudying this thing, so talk to
you later.
Hi, you are listening to the Regular Guys Bible Study
Podcast.
We are your host, ken and Steve, and we are just Regular Guys
studying the Bible.
Steve (00:21):
Not theologians, that's right.
Ken (00:34):
Alright, steve, how's it going?
Pretty good.
How are you, ken?
Well, you know, I mean we'vebeen talking for a while, so you
know I'm doing pretty well.
Good, hold it.
Steve (00:44):
What is that?
Am I doing?
Ken (00:46):
pretty good or I'm doing pretty well.
I think I'm doing pretty good.
Steve (00:52):
I think it's good here yeah.
Ken (00:54):
I think I'm doing good.
Steve (00:57):
You worked on that project and you did it well.
Yeah, did I, but you feel good.
Ken (01:03):
Okay, I don't know if that really answers my question, but
you know what I'm going to gowith it, alright, steve, last
time we left off with somequestions and feeling pretty
stupid about ourselves or I feltstupid about myself.
Steve (01:23):
I have to admit I felt stupid for you, thanks.
Ken (01:28):
Thanks, I really appreciate that.
So some of the questions we hadwere about the Samaritans, and
you know why did the Samaritansand the Jews not get along?
Steve (01:46):
So what I found is the Samaritans were, I think, from
the tribe of Israel.
You know, you had Judah andIsrael, and Israel broke off
before Judah from God, and thenyou had the dyspora, or whatever
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they call that, where they gotsent off into the they all got
decapolis split up and thenforeigners came in and the
Samaritans married with theforeigners, and so they kind of
deluded the line of the chosenpeople.
Ken (02:29):
Yeah, you're right, I saw that too.
I also read that they.
And one thing that reallyirritated the Jews is that they
built a temple on a mountain, Iguess in Samaria.
Steve (02:46):
Well, wasn't it the mountain that Moses got this 10
commandments off?
Ken (02:50):
of.
I did not read which mountainit was, but I read that they
built their own temple, wherethey're saying that the temple
has to be in Jerusalem.
But one thing that's sointeresting is they had the Jews
had such hatred for theSamaritans that they would walk
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miles out of the way and crosswater that was difficult to
cross so that they would notwalk through Samaria.
Steve (03:25):
Just to avoid them.
Ken (03:27):
So I mean and it seemed like the Samaritans in a lot of
cases knew they were secondclass citizens to the Jews,
right the way they responded, Imean certainly the way this
woman at the well responded.
Steve (03:43):
That's the case.
Ken (03:45):
Right, okay, so what we're going to do even though we read
we went one through 26 laststudy we're going to go ahead
and read the whole story, just,and we're going to pick it up in
27, but let's read the wholestory.
Do you want me to read that,steve, or you want to read it
the whole shebang?
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One through 45.
Yeah, yeah, all right, let'sread the whole story.
Steve (04:15):
All right, I'll give it a shot.
I mean, if you get tired, youneed a break.
I'll tap out.
Ken (04:21):
Yeah, just yeah, we can do that.
Steve (04:23):
It's like a wrestling match from the 80s All right Now
.
When Jesus learned that thePharisees had heard that Jesus
was making and baptizing moredisciples than John although
Jesus himself did not baptize,but only his disciples he left
Judea and departed again forGalilee, and he had to pass
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through Samaria.
So he came to a town of Samariacalled Sychar, near the field
that Jacob had given to his son,joseph.
Jacob's well was there also.
So Jesus, weird as he was fromhis journey, was sitting beside
the well.
It was about the sixth hour,which is around noon, that's
right.
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A woman from Samaria came todraw water.
Jesus said to her give me adrink, for his disciples had
gone away into the city to buyfood.
Samaritan woman said to him howis it that you, a Jew, ask for
a drink from me, a woman ofSamaria, for Jews have no
dealings with Samaritans.
Jesus answered her if you knewthe gift of God and who it is
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that is saying to you give me adrink, you would have asked him
and he would have given youliving water.
The woman said to him sir, youhave nothing to draw water with
and the well is deep.
Where do you get that livingwater?
Are you greater than our fatherJacob.
He gave us the well and drankfrom it himself, as did his sons
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and his livestock.
Jesus said to her everyone whodrinks of this water will be
thirsty again, but whoeverdrinks of the water that I will
give him will never be thirstyagain.
The water that I will give himwill become in him a spring of
water welling up to eternal life.
The woman said to him sir, giveme this water so that I will not
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be thirsty or have to come hereto draw water.
Jesus said to her go call yourhusband and come here.
The woman answered him I haveno husband.
Jesus said to her you are rightin saying I have no husband,
for you have had five husbandsand the one you have now is not
your husband.
What you have said is true.
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The woman said to him sir, Iperceive that you are a prophet.
Our fathers worshiped on thismountain, but you say that in
Jerusalem is the place wherepeople ought to worship.
Jesus said to her women believeme, the hour is coming when
neither this mountain nor inJerusalem will you worship the
Father.
You worship what you do notknow.
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We worship what we know, forsalvation is from the Jews.
But the hour is coming and isnow here, when the true
worshipers will worship theFather in spirit and truth, for
the Father is seeking suchpeople to worship him.
God is spirit, and those whoworship him must worship in
spirit and truth.
The woman said to him I knowthat Messiah is coming, he who
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is called Christ.
When he comes, he will tell usall things.
Jesus said to her.
I who speak to you am he?
Ken (07:25):
Tap, Tap out, All right.
Just then his disciples cameback.
They marveled that he wastalking with a woman, but no one
said what do you seek or whyare you talking with her?
So the woman left her jar, lefther water jar, and went away
into the town and said to thepeople come see a man who told
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me all that I ever did.
Can this be the Christ?
They went out of the town andwere coming to him.
Meanwhile the disciples wereurging him, saying Rabbi, eat.
But he said to them I have foodto eat that you don't know
about.
So the disciples said to oneanother has anyone brought him
something to eat?
Jesus said to them my food isto do the will of him who sent
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me and to accomplish his work.
Do you not say there are yetfour months and then comes the
harvest.
Look, I tell you, lift up youreyes and see that the fields are
white, with white for harvestAlready.
The one who reaps is receivingwages and gathering fruit for
eternal life, so that sower andreaper may rejoice together.
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For here the saying holds trueone sows and another reaps.
I sent you to reap that forwhich you did not labor.
Others have labored and youhave entered into their labor.
Many Samaritans from that townbelieved in him because of the
woman's testimony.
He told me all that I ever did.
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So when the Samaritans came tohim, they asked him to stay with
them, and he stayed there twodays and many more believed
because of his word.
They said to the woman it is nolonger because of what you said
that we believe, for we haveheard for ourselves.
We know that this is indeed thesavior of the world.
And two days, after two days,he departed for Galilee, For
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Jesus himself had testified thata prophet has no honor in his
own hometown.
So when he came to Galilee, theGalileans welcomed him, having
seen all that he had done inJerusalem at the feast, For they
too had gone to the feast.
Alright, that was a lot.
It's a big story.
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It's a big story.
So you know the reason I wantedto read that is.
It dawned on me this week whenI was looking over some other
Bible study notes, for adifferent thing, and it dawned
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on me.
It reminded me of a reallycommon Bible study method.
And one of those things is toask you know, what does this
story say about God?
And when you look at this story.
I think that it's a greatquestion to ask as a whole.
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You know, instead of justlooking at a paragraph, when you
look at this whole story, whatdoes this story say about God?
Steve (10:36):
I think it says that he comes for both the Jews and the
Gentiles, because I think theSamaritans, basically at this
point, are considered Gentiles.
They may have been Jews at onepoint, but yeah, I think they're
considered Gentiles.
They're watered down for lackof a better term, and not pure
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Jew.
Ken (10:59):
Right, and you know from what I read oftentimes, like I
said earlier, they would justcompletely go around Samaria so
that they wouldn't have to walkthrough it.
He not only walked through it,but he stayed two extra days.
Steve (11:14):
And revealed that he was the Christ.
Ken (11:17):
He did.
He revealed to the Samaritansthat he's the Christ.
Steve (11:22):
Yep.
Ken (11:23):
So I mean, I think one thing that says about God like
it's, but people are people.
I mean, you know people, allpeople are people God loves.
And in fact, if youlet's see,inwhat verse is that?
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In verse something?
When the disciples come backand talk to him, they it says,
the people dang it.
Where am I?
Steve (12:07):
They marveled that he was talking with a woman.
Ken (12:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm talking about the people coming
from the town.
Steve (12:14):
Oh, that's toward the bottom.
Ken (12:16):
No, no, they went out of the town and were coming to him,
so the people were coming tohim while he's talking to his
disciples, when he says, when hestarts talking about, look, the
fields are white with harvest.
The people are on their way tosee him, so he's calling the
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Samaritans the harvest.
So he is making it very clearthat people who want, who
believe in him, people who youknow want forgiveness or you
know they, are welcome.
So I think that says a lotabout who God is right there.
Steve (13:05):
Yep.
Ken (13:08):
All right.
So another question there'sanother question in that that's
commonly used is what does itsay about Jesus?
But it kind of says the samething, yeah.
And another thing it says iswhat is this?
How does this apply to us?
Steve (13:34):
I think the when he says what you just said about look,
you're here to reap someoneelse's soad and now you're
reaping, and that for what youdid not labor, others have
labored and you have enteredinto their labor.
Ken (13:54):
What does that mean exactly ?
Who labored?
Steve (13:58):
That part I'm not so sure about.
I guess the people that carriedon the tradition of worshiping
God among the Samaritans Well, Iget confused in this and there
can be two completely differentthings.
Ken (14:15):
For, oh nice, you're on there.
Steve, am I boring you?
Is God's word boring to you?
No, it's just kind of late.
It is kind of late, sorry aboutthat.
Anyway, he says where I sentyou to reap that for which you
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did not labor.
Is he talking about sendingthem into the town to get food?
No, he's talking about Becausehe did.
He sent them into the town tobuy food.
Steve (14:52):
That's not the message I get from this.
Ken (14:57):
I agree.
Steve (14:58):
His food is to do the will of him who sent me, and to
accomplish his work.
Do you not say there are yetfour months.
Then comes the harvest.
Look, I tell you, lift up youreyes and see that the fields are
white for harvest.
Ken (15:14):
Okay, so I understand and I don't believe what I said is
true, but I'm just saying thatfrom a literal standpoint, and
maybe he has a double meaninghere, where he means that and he
means that the all the profitsfrom before are the laborers
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that came before.
I mean, even the woman at thewell knew about this coming
Christ, that they are waitingfor Even the Samaritan one Are
you?
Steve (15:51):
saying that the disciples are profiting from the
prophet's labor.
Ken (15:59):
Yes, they're profiting from the prophets.
That's a very funny joke, Steve.
Steve (16:08):
I'm sure everyone is.
We'll give you all a littleminute here to catch your breath
If you're driving right now.
I apologize if you're crying.
Ken (16:20):
Oh man, pull over, pull over right now, don't you gotta
keep your eyes up?
And if your eyes are full oftears right now, in humor, humor
, tears.
Steve (16:34):
Not boredom tears.
Ken (16:36):
There's that called humority, humority kind of like
okay that was really bad.
Steve (16:43):
sorry, I don't know what that was.
Ken (16:46):
Humidity, but humor to tears.
Steve (16:49):
Keep explaining it, it'll get better.
Ken (16:54):
Oh my gosh, okay, All right .
So how can we apply this, Steve, this story?
Steve (17:08):
The great commandment is to go and disciple all the
nations, which is a little bitof sewing and reaping.
Ken (17:20):
Well, sometimes it's sewing , sometimes it's sewing and
reaping, sometimes it's onlyreaping or sometimes it's
reaping.
Steve (17:29):
Or sometimes there's a drought and sometimes there's a
drought, that is true.
Ken (17:36):
So he's really talking to us about how we should see other
people.
Steve (17:43):
My wife is totally against that.
Ken (17:46):
No, that's not what I mean by seeing other people.
I mean when we look at datingpeople no, no, see, you got me
messed up.
No, when we look at the peoplearound us, the people when
you're in Costco and you seelike 5,000 people on a Saturday
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and you're wondering why did Icome here on Saturday?
Steve (18:11):
And why are they all in line to check out when I am
Exactly?
Ken (18:16):
That is the harvest and we need to see those people as the
harvest and not people in my way.
Steve (18:25):
Oh, that's hard.
Yeah, that's like saying I haveto look at the person that just
cut me off in traffic and think, gee, I need to love on them a
little.
Ken (18:37):
Yeah.
Steve (18:39):
I don't know, that's hard , yeah, so, but I see where
you're going.
I mean the Samaritans.
These are Jews, they don't likeSamaritans, and yet they're
being called to go to thesepeople that they don't really
like.
Ken (18:53):
Yeah.
Steve (18:54):
And they're not for basically dumb reasons, let's be
honest.
But still, they've been taughtto not like them and yet they're
supposed to go and reap andRight.
Yeah, that's hard.
Ken (19:07):
Yeah, um.
I also think Jesus is funny howhe answers the disciples.
He goes I have food to eat thatyou don't know about.
Steve (19:26):
Hey, suckers, I sent you to town.
I've been back here eating aSnickers bar.
Ken (19:30):
It's like.
It's like it's just like what?
Well, it's like, has someonebrought him food?
It's like did he really expectthem to understand what he's
talking about when he said that?
Steve (19:44):
That's a good point yeah.
Ken (19:46):
Yeah, I'm not sure it's like.
It seems like one of thosethings you say and then you
realize, oh gosh, they are solost.
Steve (19:55):
Well, they did urge him to eat, that's true, and I think
he was saying I don't have timeto eat right now.
This is more important.
This is.
This is my food.
This is why I'm here.
Ken (20:08):
Yeah, you're probably right , I usually am.
Yeah, you're pretty smart likethat.
Um, so, um, then he, uh, hesays then he goes, he departs
after that, after staying for acouple of days, um, and people
start believing, you know, forother reasons, not just because
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she said so.
Um, then he departs for Galilee.
Um, and I found thisinteresting it says he goes to
Galilee and then it says for,jesus himself had testified that
a prophet has no honor in hisown hometown, but he's not in
his own hometown.
Steve (20:47):
I don't get this, you know what.
Ken (20:49):
This is why I have a wife.
I talked to my wife about thisand I said I don't understand
this.
He's not in his own hometown.
And she said yeah, that's whyhe didn't go through his own
hometown.
Apparently, his hometown is onthe way, uh, so, uh, I guess
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Nazareth.
He did not go into Nazareth,even though it was right there,
did they?
Steve (21:17):
come from Galilee into Samaria, samaria, whatever, yeah
, and then change their mind andgo back to Galilee.
Ken (21:28):
Well, no, remember he was in Jerusalem.
He went, he was in Galilee andhe went to Jerusalem.
Oh, he's headed back and nowhe's going back to Galilee.
But he could have gone throughNazareth right but but cause he
has no honor and there's noreason to go there.
He's not feeling the love, butwe haven't.
Steve (21:53):
He hasn't gone there in the book of John so far he has
not recorded that yet.
Ken (21:58):
Is it in John or is it only in the other gospel?
Steve (22:01):
I know it didn't go well when he did go right and I don't
know All right, but there wassomething you skimmed over there
I want to touch on oh yeah,when the other Samaritan said I.
Know longer because of what yousaid that we believe, for we
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have heard ourselves and we knowthat this is indeed the savior
of the world.
So we talked last time abouthow she's going to the well at
noon and she's For lack of abetter word kind of a slot.
I.
Ken (22:42):
Think that's really rude of you to say well.
Steve (22:45):
That's the impression we get here.
Ken (22:48):
Well, she's definitely had some promiscuous, is the better
word perhaps but I mean, she wasmarried.
Multiple times right now, andnow she's not married.
Steve (23:02):
Anyway, it was against the accepted practices of the
time.
Yes, so all these people cameon her word, which is saying
something, because she was kindof shunned, and Now they're
saying, oh, we don't have torely on you anymore, we believe
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on our own.
Ken (23:24):
Okay, First of all, are you done with your?
Steve (23:28):
little comment, yeah, okay.
Ken (23:29):
First of all, I thought about this too, and I think
she's not just shunned, butshe's also a Shamed yeah.
So she's going at noon Becauseshe could be going at noon,
because she doesn't want to hearpeople talking about her, avoid
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the confrontation, yeah.
And Then she goes like, insteadof suddenly, instead of being
Not being around people, she'sgoing to people and saying, not
caring about her status, hmm,right.
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And saying you know she'sharvesting, I know she is,
that's right, she's the oneharvesting, or or Something.
But yeah, she's, regardless ofher status, she's willing to go
talk to these people in the townand I think that peaks their
interest because it's likeYou're not, you don't normally
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do this, right.
Steve (24:40):
But she did know all the guys, so she went and talked to
him and Okay, steve, that's justkid, or Okay?
Ken (24:49):
She?
Steve (24:51):
The guys are just as guilty as she is and I'm sure
she is forgiven now.
Ken (24:58):
All right, let's actually let's go on.
If we're done with that story,why don't we go to the next
story?
It's a pretty short one.
Steve (25:05):
Do we have time?
Ken (25:05):
we've got about 10 minutes.
All right, let's go on to thenext one.
This is John 46 through 54.
Do you want me to start thisone?
I can read it, all right, gofor it.
Steve (25:19):
So he came again to Cana and Galilee where he had made
the water wine, and at Copernumthere was an official whose son
was ill.
When this man heard that Jesushad come from Judea to Galilee,
he went to him and asked him tocome down and heal his son, for
he was at the point of death.
So Jesus said to him Unless yousee signs and wonders, you will
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not believe.
The official said to him sir,come down before my child dies.
Jesus said to him go, your sonwill live.
The man believed the word thatJesus spoke to him and went on
his way.
As he was going down, hisservants met him and told him
that His son was recovering.
So he asked them the hour whenhe began to get better.
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And they said to him yesterday,at the seventh hour, the fever
left him.
The father knew that was thehour when Jesus had said to him
your son will live.
And he both, he himself,believed in all his household.
This was now the second signthat Jesus did when he had come
from Judea to Galilee.
Ken (26:21):
All right.
So what was the first sign?
Steve (26:24):
I guess the wine.
Ken (26:27):
I.
Steve (26:28):
Guess so.
Yeah they mentioned it in verse46.
Yeah, you made the water towine, that's right, all right so
.
Ken (26:38):
So let's ask those same questions again.
So what does this story Tell usabout God?
Steve (26:51):
So it's a little harder here, because my impression,
when I see Jesus with his firstcomment of unless you see signs
and wonders, you will notbelieve that he's Kind of fed up
, that people are always wantingto show, and so he gives this
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remark of I had not here to justdo a show for you people, you
need to repent and believe.
But then the guys begs againand God or Jesus says go, your
son will live.
But there's a thing there wherethe man believed the word that
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Jesus spoke to him and went onhis way.
I Think that's a big part of it.
The man did believe withoutseeing.
I Don't know where I'm goingwith this.
Ken (27:47):
Please take over, okay because the question was what
does this say about God?
Steve (27:51):
I mean, you're saying good stuff right, because I
don't know where I was goingwith it.
Ken (27:56):
Yeah, I'm sure you're gonna say something and and, and you
know you free.
Then you just start babbling,and it was good babbling.
But so I think one thing thissays about God is that he wants
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people to believe Without seeingRight.
So it's easy to believe when tobelieve someone.
What am I trying to say?
See, now I'm stupid, just likeyou.
Steve (28:37):
I Think you're trying to say if you see something, it's
easier to believe it.
Yes, but the skeptic in me, ifI see somebody do something that
Looks like magic, I'm gonna say, oh, it's a trick.
It's a trick, right.
I mean, granted, the stuff hedid was a Couple of steps beyond
(29:01):
typical magic tricks, likemaking people see again and walk
when they're lame, and rightwater to wine, but, or, you know
, healing a son from miles away.
Ken (29:17):
Right.
So the interesting thing hereis, though there wasn't even a
magic show here.
Steve (29:25):
Yeah, he was just apparently walking, right he.
Ken (29:29):
I'm sure he's heard of Jesus doing great things because
of earlier and he wants him toheal his son.
He doesn't see Anything but hebelieves.
Now.
I Think there is a manner youknow there was.
(29:51):
There's a verse somewhere inthe Bible where Jesus talks to
somebody and says Somethingabout do you believe?
And he says I believe, Help myunbelief right.
So Sometimes I don't know aboutyou, but sometimes I want to
believe Right and and I think Ido believe.
(30:15):
But I know I have skepticism inme and you can tell I believe
that this man has a little bitof that in there.
When he asked his servant, whattime did he start getting?
Well, because he was wanting toverify that it was that time.
(30:36):
So I think there is, you know,he believes with a little bit of
doubt with a little bit ofdoubt and that, and then the,
the servant, verifies that timewas the, the right time or at
the same time.
So Did we answer the questionabout what this says about God?
(31:00):
I Don't think so.
Steve (31:03):
I think we're running out of time.
Ken (31:05):
No, we're not, we have four minutes.
Steve (31:07):
My wife just tapped at a wrist.
Ken (31:10):
Oh, you know what?
It's not a tap out, yet we'reclose.
We are close, but what doesthis say about God?
I Think Well, already said whatI think it says about God, but
(31:33):
what does it say about man?
Steve (31:37):
I Think it says we have to have faith.
Ken (31:43):
Yeah, we need to have faith in God.
Even Jesus did not go followhim home.
No, I think this man reallywanted him to go follow him home
.
Come to my house and heal myson, right.
Steve (32:01):
Yeah, and the man was desperate.
His he's definitely gone a longways because it's not like the
same a block away or something.
This is long enough for him toask what time did my son get
healed?
So it's, it's a couple hourwalk, I'm assuming maybe even a
(32:24):
more than a day maybe andBecause it was yesterday at the
seventh hour.
Oh, yeah, you're right, so it'sat least.
But he had been desperate ifhe's leaving his dying son To go
see this man that turned waterinto wine.
Ken (32:44):
Yeah.
Steve (32:47):
I you think you'd have to have a little more than that,
because Water into wine does nottranslate to healing a person
on their death bed.
I think he's heard more thanthat.
Okay, because you're right andJesus's response sort of
indicates that too, and that yousee signs and wonders you will
(33:10):
not believe.
Ken (33:13):
Yeah, so what should we do with this?
How should we respond?
Steve (33:24):
Hmm, I guess we need to have more faith than what we ask
for and pray for.
I.
Ken (33:35):
Agree.
And when you think about thisalso, how much are we willing to
do, how much are we willing togive up?
To seek God for our family, forthe things we pray for, because
(33:58):
he went at least a day'sjourney.
Steve (34:05):
Yeah, with the possibility of coming home to a
dead son.
Ken (34:08):
Yeah, so you know, when I think of that, it just seems
like my faith is weak.
Steve (34:18):
Oh, I Definitely no, mine is not yeah very strong.
I just I feel like a big wimpsometimes.
Ken (34:27):
Yeah, I Mean, yeah, I'm agreeing that you are a big wimp
, yeah, no, so yeah, and it'shard to do, but you know, I
don't know how to, how to makethat, that step when it's needed
(34:51):
.
I Don't need to make it rightnow.
I don't think so how can you,steve, make sure you make that
next step?
If you have this step that youneed to make, what's gonna make
you make it a Leap of faith?
What's gonna make you make thatstep?
Steve (35:12):
I Don't know.
Do you have an answer?
Ken (35:18):
I do that okay.
Steve (35:20):
I'm hoping you have an answer to the question.
Is my answer.
Ken (35:22):
This is my answer accountability with other
believers and being the thing isencouragement by other
encouragement by other believers, but this is my.
What I've seen a lot inbelievers is that they get
together and they talk aboutvery frivolous things and no one
(35:43):
wants to be very vulnerableabout who they are right, about
what God is really doing intheir lives or how they're not
allowing God to do anything intheir lives.
And we live these surface liveswith each other and unless
you're willing to be vulnerablewith the people around you, no
(36:03):
one's gonna know, no one's evengonna care to say you're not
gonna have a deep enoughrelationship with people that
they'll say Steve, you got to godo this thing.
Steve (36:15):
So I think you just hit the nail on the head of what's
wrong with our society today.
Ken (36:21):
Well.
I don't know if it's all ofsociety, but it's.
It's a, it's actually a problem.
I see in the church when it's,there's a lot of surface
relationships in the church, andI think we have to be willing
to go deeper with each other,all right?
Well, I think that's it, steve.
(36:44):
You have anything else you wantto add?
Steve (36:45):
nope, I think we're done.
Should I drop the mic?
Ken (36:49):
No, don't drop the mic.
You didn't pay for that thing,I did.
Okay, all right guys, thanks alot.
I hope you enjoyed this one.
I thought it was.
I learned a lot actuallystudying this thing, so talk to
you later.
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