October 16, 2023 • 39 mins
Imagine Weird Al-Yankovic penning a song about Jesus! In this intriguing episode, we, your hosts Ken and Steve, take a deep dive into John Chapter 7, teasing apart Jesus' actions and the disbelief of his brothers. If Jesus said he would not go to Judea, was he speaking the truth, or did he lie? How deep was the faith of his brothers? Come, let us ponder upon these profound questions and more!
As the episode unfolds, we grapple with the enigma and controversy that surround Jesus' teachings. What does the phrase 'for fear of the Jews no one spoke openly of him' truly mean? And what implications did it have on Jesus' stature amongst the Pharisees? As we analyze Jesus' responses to the Jews who were astonished by his wisdom, his claim of doing God's will, and his teachings about circumcision and Sabbath, we stumble upon mind-bending insights about faith and society. Moreover, we reflect upon his miraculous escape from arrest and the unwavering faith of his followers.
In the last segment, the discussion turns towards the confusion that the crowd and the officers, who were sent to arrest Jesus, faced. The fact that no prophet emerges from Galilee casts a shadow of doubt on Jesus' claim of being the Christ. We wrap up by delving into the political climate of Israel and how it might have shaped these events. So, buckle up for a roller coaster ride through the pages of John Chapter 7, where every verse opens up a new perspective, every line sparks a new debate, and every word invites you to think deeper.
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Ken (00:08):
Hi, you are listening to the Regular Guys Bible Study
Podcast.
We are your host, Ken and Steve, and we are just Regular Guys
studying the Bible.
Steve (00:21):
Not theologians.
Ken (00:22):
That's right.
Hey Steve, how are you doing?
I'm doing alright.
How are you, ken?
I'm good.
You know, I've always wondered,do I?
You know, we have this introthing and I do some music, and
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then we say this little thingand then we have some music
again.
You know, I just realized,should I?
You know, I don't know ifthat's the right amount of time
for each one of those things.
Am I overthinking it, or isthere like an optimal time for
music, words and then music?
Steve (01:05):
I'm pretty sure that, whatever that time is, it's
better than this time right now.
Ken (01:13):
Oh gosh, ouch, Okay, my feelings.
My feelings aren't important.
Steve (01:22):
You just took a class on this stuff, didn't they spell
all this out?
I?
Ken (01:26):
didn't ask that part.
You know some of these.
You know they just assumeyou're not OCD about stuff and
it's not that important.
Steve (01:37):
So probably isn't that important.
Ken (01:39):
Yeah, alright, so today we're going to last week.
We finished John chapter sixthis day.
This time we're going to lookat John chapter seven.
We'll see how far we get.
I think we can finish the wholething, but we'll see.
It is kind of long.
But before we start it saysthat chapter seven starts off
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after this Jesus went about inGalilee.
So what just happened?
That this is after.
Steve (02:14):
So this is where he talked about eating his flesh
and drinking his blood, and alot of the disciples left, but
the apostles stayed.
Ken (02:23):
Yeah, so the twelve that he chose stayed, but a bunch that
were following him left becausethey just they didn't know how
to handle that message thatyou're supposed to eat him and
drink, eat his flesh and drinkhis blood.
That was what they said.
It's a hard lesson.
Steve (02:44):
I wonder, if Weird Al-Yakovic had been around at
the time, if the theme song forJesus would be eat me.
I'm a Danish.
Is that is, that it's one ofthe songs I'm a Danish, I'm a
Danish, I'm a.
Ken (03:00):
Danish.
I'm a Danish.
Eat me on it.
I'm a Danish, okay.
Steve (03:04):
You've never heard that.
Ken (03:06):
I probably have.
I've heard a lot of his stuff,but I don't know that's.
I'm sorry.
I wish I had laughed at thejoke, but I'm a little too slow
for it.
But oh wow, I hear.
I hear the people listeningthough.
Steve (03:23):
Oh wow, they are laughing .
Ken (03:26):
Oh man, they're cracking up so much I couldn't help but
laugh.
Oh wow, all right, steve, doyou want to start?
Steve (03:35):
Why don't you start again ?
Okay, I'll start today.
Ken (03:39):
After this, jesus went about in Galilee, he would not
go about in Judea because theJews were seeking to kill him.
Now the Jews feast of boothswas at hand.
So his brother said to himleave here and go to Judea that
your disciples also may see theworks you were doing.
For no one works in secret.
If he seeks to be known openly,if you do these things, show
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yourself to the world.
For not even his brothersbelieved in him.
Jesus said to them my time hasnot yet come, but your time is
always here.
The world cannot hate you, butit hates me because I testify
about it that its works are evil.
You go up to the feast.
I am not going up to the feast,for my time has not yet fully
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come.
After saying this, he remainedin Galilee.
But after his brothers had goneup to the feast, then he also
went up, not publicly but inprivate.
The Jews were looking for himat the feast and saying where is
he?
And there was much mutteringabout him among the people.
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While some said he is a goodman, others said no, he is
leading the people astray.
Yet for fear of the Jews, noone spoke openly of him.
Steve (04:57):
I think that's a good place to stop.
Ken (05:00):
Really Okay.
Steve (05:03):
Well, the little subtitles suggest not, but
that's okay, I think if we readtoo much we lose some of the
thought process here.
So there are a couple of thingsin here that strike me One.
It sounds like his brotherswant him to do more tricks,
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signs, miracles, and yet you'dthink his brothers have seen
quite a few of them, like atleast the wedding.
Ken (05:37):
Actually, though it says, for not even his brothers
believed in him.
So because they say if you dothese things, they say.
If you do these things, showyourself to the world.
Steve (05:57):
Right, and it's like hey, do show more stuff to people so
that they'll believe.
Ken (06:04):
But the ways that they say if you do these things, you know
you can't do that.
Is that a way of not reallybelieving that he really does
those things?
Steve (06:17):
I don't know Right before that.
It says, for no one works insecret if he seeks to be known
openly.
And Jesus said my time is notyet come, so he's not meant to
be known openly yet.
Ken (06:31):
But it says for not even his brothers believed in him, so
it sounds like they don'tbelieve that he really does
those things.
Steve (06:37):
Yeah, it does kind of sound like that.
Ken (06:38):
It kind of sounds like they think they're being tricked
somehow and they're not going tofall for it because you're a
stupid older brother.
Steve (06:47):
Yep, but then the other thing that strikes me here yes.
You go up to the feast.
I am not going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully
come.
But after his brothers had goneup to the feast, then he also
went up, not publicly but inprivate.
Ken (07:04):
Yes.
Steve (07:05):
Did he lie to his brothers?
Yes, did he.
Ken (07:12):
He said he's not going and he did.
Steve (07:14):
Maybe he just meant I'm not going with you or I'm not
going right now.
Ken (07:21):
So you know this, I'm probably going to be censored by
every theologian and see, thisis why I'm not a theologian.
But it actually bothers me whenpeople say that lying is a sin.
There are multiple times in theBible where someone lies and it
has been a good thing, likeRahab the prostitute lied about.
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It was counted as righteous forher to do that.
And the 10 commandments when itsays do not bear false witness.
That is not.
That does not say do not lie.
Bearing false witness is anillegal matter.
That's a bear.
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Being a false witness says yeah, I saw that guy steal your,
your loaf of bread.
Steve (08:15):
Yeah, that's.
Ken (08:17):
Or I heard him say these things about your wife and you
didn't really hear those things.
That's bear, that's been,that's bearing false witness.
So there is nowhere in theBible as far as I know again.
Steve (08:32):
I'm not a theologian that says do not lie, but Jesus
himself said let your yes be yesand your no be no.
Ken (08:42):
Yes.
Steve (08:44):
Are you sure?
Ken (08:46):
I think so yeah.
Steve (08:51):
I mean to me, this is no becomes a yes.
Ken (08:59):
Well, you know.
Steve (09:02):
I, but I hear you on the other thing, because Rahab
clearly lied and it was a goodthing.
Abraham lied numerous times,but I'm not entirely sure, it
was a good thing.
Ken (09:16):
It was awkward that he lied at times and I've heard that it
preached from the pulpit thatit was a sin that he did that.
I do not read it that way, Ijust read it as a fact of how
events happened.
It showed at times his lack offaith, I think, in his fear for
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his life.
But you know, it never says andhe was punished because he lied
.
Steve (09:54):
You know, he was rewarded .
Ken (09:55):
He was rewarded for what he did, and so man clearly is part
of God's plan.
Steve (10:04):
Yes, definitely, because that's how he ended up getting
all the livestock and otherstuff.
Ken (10:11):
Right.
So I think Jesus did lie to hisbrothers right here.
Now that's my take on it.
Now he might have just youcould argue that he was saying
well, I'm really.
What he's really saying is I'mnot going with you.
Because if he said I'm going,then they would.
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He would go with them, but hewanted to go in private.
Steve (10:39):
So it seems rather strategic, also because had he
gone with them, it would havebeen in public, in a large crowd
.
All the Jews would know exactlywhere he was Right.
They would have tried to grabhim right away, maybe stone him.
Ken (10:57):
So do you notice anything else?
I noticed something else.
That's kind of surprising, butI'm not sure what it means.
Steve (11:03):
Go ahead.
Ken (11:04):
So his brothers are saying this to him, not his 12
disciples.
And his brothers say leave hereand go to Judea that your
disciples may see the works youare doing.
Now I don't know if that's the12.
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I think that's got to be theother or the others and his 12
are with him and his brothersare talking to him, but his
disciples, his 12 disciples, arethere with him.
Steve (11:37):
So this did come right after that difficult saying of
eating the flesh and drinkingthe blood, and his brothers are
probably thinking, oh, he'sloony.
Ken (11:48):
He could be crazy.
Steve (11:51):
We need to bring him back for all the other disciples to
see how crazy he really is.
Ken (12:00):
There may be.
Yeah, that could be All right.
Yeah, I don't really know.
We don't really know what thatmeans.
I think those disciples are theother disciples.
It does not mention the 12disciples here, but I think they
are probably with him, becausefrom all other accounts it seems
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like they went everywhere withhim, except maybe they'll cross
the river or they'll cross alake on a boat while he walks
around.
So you know, maybe maybe thereare a couple of days when
they're apart, could be so Allright, anything else from this
section.
Steve (12:44):
So the people saying when is he?
And while some said he's a goodman, others said no, he's
leading the people astray.
But for fear of the Jews no onespoke openly of him.
What do you suppose that means?
You think the Jews would havegrabbed the one saying he is a
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good man and like rebut them, orworse.
Ken (13:12):
I think.
I think it may be.
It may be one of those caseswhere, if the Jews are, the Jews
are.
So the Pharisees, for example,really are so irritated by Jesus
that they don't want to hearhis name mentioned.
Don't say that name around meKind of behavior.
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I don't know, but you're right,yeah, for fear of the Jews.
No one spoke openly of him andI assume these are Jews that are
talking, by the way.
So when it says fear of theJews, I think it means the
hierarchy, the higher up Jews.
Steve (14:00):
The religious hierarchy Jews.
Ken (14:03):
Yes.
Steve (14:06):
The Pharisees and the sad you sees.
Ken (14:09):
Yes, all right.
Why don't we read the nextsection?
You want me to take the nextsection?
Steve (14:18):
About the middle of the feast, jesus went up into the
temple and began teaching.
The Jews therefore marveled,saying how is it that this man
has learning when he has neverstudied?
So Jesus answered them myteaching is not mine, but his
who sent me.
If anyone's will is to do God'swill, he will know whether the
teaching is from God or whetherI am speaking on my own
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authority.
The one who speaks on his ownauthority seeks his own glory,
but the one who seeks the gloryof him who sent him is true and
in him there is no falsehood.
Has not Moses given you the law?
Yet none of you keeps the law.
Why do you seek to kill me?
The crowd answered you have ademon who is seeking to kill you
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.
Jesus answered them I did onework and you all marvel at it.
Moses gave you circumcision,not that it is from Moses, but
from the fathers.
And you circumcise a man on theSabbath.
If, on the Sabbath, a manreceives circumcision, so that
the law of Moses may not bebroken, are you angry with me
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because on the Sabbath I made aman's whole body?
Well, do not judge byappearances, but judge with
right judgment.
Okay, so I think the man he istalking about.
Here is the one that was at thepool.
Ken (15:37):
Yeah, that is what it sounds like.
Steve (15:39):
Because they got pretty upset that he healed him on a
Sabbath.
Ken (15:43):
Yes, and what is interesting, they also got mad
that he was carrying his pallet,because that is doing work,
yeah.
Steve (15:53):
And circumcision is not work.
Ken (15:59):
Hey, that is a catch-22 problem right there.
What do you do?
You either have to do thecircumcision, or you are
breaking the law, or you can'twork on the Sabbath.
I mean, what do you do?
One of them is breaking the law.
Breaking the law, breaking thelaw.
What is that?
Steve (16:21):
I think that is from Beavis and Uthead.
Ken (16:24):
No, no, no, there is an old song breaking the law.
Steve (16:29):
Breaking the law, breaking the law.
I fought the law, but the lawwon.
Ken (16:35):
Oh, maybe it is from that song, is it?
I don't think so.
Okay, I am going to have tolook it up.
Steve (16:42):
What else you got in there?
Ken (16:45):
Let's see.
Well, it is just about, youknow, the main thing, I think,
for applying this.
This is what is important, youknow judge with right judgment,
not with this legalism, becauseGod, God, is not a legalistic
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God.
God is a God of right judgmentand grace and grace.
Yeah, and if you do a good workand it happens to be on the
Sabbath, why would God be angryabout that thing you did?
So I think that is what he issaying, Like do you ever work on
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the Sabbath?
On Saturday, or are you sayingSunday?
I don't know, you tell me.
Steve (17:41):
Well, technically, the Sabbath is Saturday, in which
case I work quite frequently onSaturday, maybe not work work.
Ken (17:49):
I don't do work, work, I do home work, yard work, yard work
, if I have a yard.
Yeah, sometimes I am lazy and Idon't do much work.
Those are the best.
Sometimes I get extremely angryon Sabbath.
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Because, the why?
Because the Texas Longhornslost, oh yeah.
Steve (18:21):
That game was so bad they lost it in the first two
minutes.
I know it.
Ken (18:29):
But the truth is I used to get very angry.
I don't really get angryanymore.
Steve (18:34):
I mean, I get and the Dallas game was just as bad.
Ken (18:40):
Yeah, yeah, all right, let's talk about things of God
and not things of this world.
All right, let's move on to thenext section, unless you have
more to say there.
No, I'm good, all right.
Some of the people of Jerusalemtherefore said is not this the
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man whom they seek to kill,which I think that's funny,
because so I just right up therehe says why do you seek to kill
me?
And the crowd says you have ademon.
Who is seeking to kill you.
All right, so then he talks alittle bit more, and then some
of the people of Jerusalemtherefore said hey, is not this
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the man whom they seek to kill?
And here he is, speaking openlyand they say nothing to him.
Can it be that the authoritiesreally know that this is the
Christ?
But we know where this mancomes from, and when the Christ
appears, no one will know wherehe comes from.
So Jesus proclaimed, as hetaught in the temple you know me
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and you know where I come from,but I have not come of my own
accord.
He who sent me is true, and himyou do not know.
I know him, for I come from himand he sent me.
So they were seeking to arresthim, but no one laid a hand on
him, because this hour, becausehis hour had not yet come yet
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Many of the people believed inhim.
They said when the Christappears, will he do more signs
than this man has done?
Steve (20:18):
The whole thing about.
No one will know where he comesfrom.
Where is that in the Bible?
Where are they getting thatfrom?
Ken (20:29):
That's a good question.
Where is that from?
Because they do know, I mean,and later on in this chapter
they say he's supposed to comefrom Bethlehem.
Yeah, in verse 40, 42, which wehaven't gotten to yet, the
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people say he's supposed to comefrom Bethlehem.
So what does that mean?
Steve (21:11):
My notes say some rabbis taught that the Messiah would be
wholly unknown until he set outto procure salvation for Israel
.
Others, however, were sureabout his birthplace, which is
verse 42.
Ken (21:26):
Okay, so I guess these were the ones that believed they
were not to know anything abouthim until he was securing that
salvation.
So what does Jesus?
Steve (21:41):
say though.
It sounds like he's saying youdon't really know where I'm from
because I'm from the Father andyou don't know him.
Ken (21:49):
Yes, that's what I'm taking , that, as you think, you know
where I'm from, but I come fromthe Father and you don't know
who the Father is.
Okay, and then they wereseeking to arrest him, but no
one laid a hand on him.
I don't know if that's divineprotection or if that is fear
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that they had of the crowds orwhat or it's both, or maybe both
.
Yeah, well, I guess it had to bedivine, also because it wasn't
his time.
Yep, all right, is it my turnto read, or is that?
No, I just read that.
I think you just read that.
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Yeah, it's your turn.
Steve (22:36):
All right.
The Pharisees heard the crowdmuttering these things about him
and the chief priests andPharisees sent officers to
arrest him.
Jesus then said I will be withyou a little longer and then I
am going to him.
Who sent me?
You will seek me and you willnot find me where I am.
Where I am, you cannot come.
The Jews said to one anotherwhere does this man intend to go
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?
That we will not find him?
Does he intend to go to thedispersion among the Greeks and
teach the Greeks?
What does he mean by saying wewill, you will seek me and you
will not find me, and where I am, you cannot come.
I should probably keep going.
Huh, you can, yeah.
On the last day of the feast,the great day, jesus stood up
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and cried out if anyone thirsts,let him come to me and drink.
Whoever believes in me, as thescripture has said, out of his
heart will flow rivers of livingwater.
Now, this he said about thespirit whom those who believed
in him were to receive, whereasyet the spirit had not been
given because Jesus was not yetglorified.
Ken (23:42):
Okay.
So in the first part of that,it just strikes me how confused
everyone is, and you know therehas been a lot going on here
where every time Jesus speaks,you can just see the puzzlement
on people's faces and how theyreact.
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They don't know.
They're one of two things.
One, they don't have any cluewhat he's trying to say.
And they'll say he'll talkabout living water and they're
thinking, huh, I don't want tobe thirsty, that sounds good, I
want to drink some water or foodthe same way.
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Or he's talking about, you know, bread, and his body is bread,
is the bread of life, and it'slike, I don't know, this is
craziness.
Or people like the Phariseesoccasionally understand
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something and it's just enoughfor them to realize he's
claiming to be equal with God,and so the people really don't
have any idea what he's talkingabout for the most part, and the
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Pharisees are just getting mad.
Steve (25:15):
So the dispersion.
Do you know what that is forour listeners out there?
I feel like we should go aheadand explain it.
I was asking you.
Ken (25:26):
I've heard of it, but are you looking it up now?
You know you've already lookedit up.
You're just trying to embarrassme.
No, I'm not going to do that.
You tell the listeners what thedispersion is.
Steve (25:39):
It is when the Jewish people got scattered throughout
the Roman Empire.
Ken (25:48):
Okay, that's.
Is that your full answer?
Steve (25:53):
Well, this thing here doesn't go into a whole lot more
description, but back when thePersians came in, they took a
bunch of the Jews, and then whowas it after them, I don't
remember, but anyway they gotscattered all over the place
because they took them as slaves.
Ken (26:13):
Okay so, but when did the dispersion happen?
Steve (26:16):
I think it was all the way back with like Daniel and
them right.
Ken (26:19):
So like what?
What is that 400 BC to someother time.
I thought you had moreinformation for us.
Steve (26:31):
No, because that's kind of I think the Romans also did
some of that, where they wouldtake people and move them around
.
Ken (26:42):
Probably People in general have a history of making other
slaves.
In fact, it still happens today, that's in very, very bad ways.
Steve (27:02):
I mean not that this was a good way to be a slave, but it
the stuff you hear about?
Ken (27:07):
Well, there are sex trafficking slaves, but they're
still working slaves as well.
That we get paid for our work,can?
No, I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about professionalbasketball players.
They're treated like slaves.
There's somebody that said that, I don't remember who it?
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Was, but but yeah, whilethey're making millions and
millions of dollars.
Steve (27:37):
I don't think that qualifies no.
Ken (27:42):
Anyway, we have really fallen off the rails.
All right, let's go on to thisnext section, the last section
of chapter eight.
Steve (27:51):
But we didn't talk about the living water.
Oh, that's right.
If you recall, back when he wastalking about my blood, if
you're thirsty you have to drinkmy blood, and I said it was the
Holy Spirit.
I think this backs up thatclaim.
Ken (28:11):
What do you mean?
It backs it up.
I mean he's repeating it, Allright, but I think I guess it
was last podcast.
Steve (28:21):
I don't think you agreed with me what that we must
partake of him and the HolySpirit is part of that partaking
.
Ken (28:34):
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, I don't know, I don't
remember what I said, or maybe Ijust didn't say it well and you
didn't understand me.
I don't know, I don't know whatwe're saying right now I'm so
confused.
All right, then let's go on.
No, I agree with you in thathere.
I mean, it plainly says thathe's talking about the Holy
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Spirit.
Oh, okay, so I do recallsomething.
And you said he this could bereferring to the Holy Spirit,
right?
And I said you're right.
I'd okay, I do remember this andI thought I didn't like openly
disagree with you, but Iprobably didn't agree, I
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probably did not agree with you,and I rolled my eyes here in
the studio, in the studio, inthe studio.
Yes, okay, I think you arevindicated.
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I think you have completevindication.
Great Good job, steve.
We might want to call it anight right now?
Steve (29:47):
No, we're not.
Ken (29:48):
We've got a.
We've got a one after that.
All right.
When they heard these words,some of the people said this
really is the prophet.
Other said this is the Christ.
But some said is the Christ tocome from Galilee?
Has not?
The scripture said that theChrist comes from the offspring
of David and comes fromBethlehem, the village where
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David was.
So there was a division amongthe people over him.
Some of them wanted to arresthim, but no one laid hands on
him.
The officers then came to thechief priest and Pharisees who
said to them why did you notbring him?
The officers answered no oneever spoke like this man.
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The Pharisees answered themhave you also been deceived?
Have any of the authorities ofthe Pharisees believed in him?
But this crowd that does notknow the law is a cursed.
Nicodemus, who had gone to himbefore and who was one of them,
said to them does our law judgea man without first giving him a
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hearing and learning what hedoes?
They replied are you fromGalilee to search and see that?
No prophet arises from Galilee?
And it has a note here that theearliest manuscripts do not
include.
Steve (31:08):
Let's see that last verse where it says up through 8, 11.
Ken (31:14):
Mike's is 753 through 8, 11 .
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Steve (31:18):
Oh, actually it's the whole story of the woman caught
in adultery.
Ken (31:23):
Oh yeah, and actually we haven't even got.
I did, I did not read 753.
It's it's actually not listedin in chapter seven, it's listed
chapter eight.
Steve (31:34):
weird, it is so strange.
Ken (31:37):
Okay, at any rate.
Um, so it sounds like there'ssome confusion going on here.
Some people are, like,convinced, other people are not.
Steve (31:48):
Don't you kind of picture some sort of not so bright
thugs going to get him and thenthey come back.
Why didn't you?
Where is he?
And they're like oh, no one'sever spoken like that man has.
He knows what he's saying.
Ken (32:10):
Okay, um, well, I maybe, but I you know, I think the
Roman officers were actually notstupid thugs.
I think they're probably, Idon't know.
I have no idea about.
Steve (32:27):
Roman officers.
Were these Roman officers?
Were these officers of thechurch temple?
I thought for some reason.
Ken (32:36):
I was thinking they were Roman officers.
Is that not right?
The officers, let's see, itdoes not say Roman officers.
I don't know why I thought thatthat's just.
Yeah, that is probably wrong.
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So, yeah, I don't know whothese people are.
They could be Roman.
If they're officers, would theybe Roman?
Or did the Jews have their ownofficers?
Steve (33:14):
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know either.
I'd be a little surprised ifthey were allowed to carry
weapons.
Ken (33:24):
Yeah, especially guns.
Steve (33:26):
Oh, I'd be really surprised if they had guns.
Ken (33:28):
Yeah, I'd be real surprised if they had guns, because they
weren't invented yet.
I know that would be cool,though, if they had guns.
Yeah, because they weren'tinvented.
Think how cool that would be.
We would be discovering rightnow something new, but we're not
, because it's not a thing.
Steve (33:53):
OK, we're going to move on before Ken tries to follow
that any further.
Oh, but just to take a quickmoment.
You're bringing up guns.
The current situation in Israelis pretty scary.
They were attacked by the Hamasfrom Gaza and now lots of
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people dead.
And they even opened fire on adance club and stuff.
Ken (34:26):
Oh, there was a peace music festival that was attended by a
global constituent Americans,Germans, they were from all over
Europe and the US.
Steve (34:42):
And now they're declaring war.
Ken (34:43):
Yes.
Steve (34:44):
So kind of scary.
I'm not sure what's going tohappen.
Ken (34:48):
That's true.
Now this podcast it might belistened to at any time.
This is being recorded inwhat's today, october 9th,
october 9th of 2023.
So there's some pretty scarystuff happening in Israel right
now.
Now, hopefully that won't lastlong.
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A lot of these types of thingsin the past haven't lasted too
long because they come to peace.
But I don't know.
This one's pretty big, prettybrazen yeah.
Steve (35:25):
Anyway.
Oh, there was one other thing Iwanted to cover in here before
we call it a night Yep, theyreplied.
Are you from Galilee too?
Search and see that no prophetarises from Galilee.
Ken (35:42):
Yeah.
Steve (35:43):
So did they not know their own prophets?
Ken (35:48):
No, that's what they're saying.
Go ahead and search.
Steve (35:51):
Several prophets are from Galilee.
Ken (35:55):
Who?
Who's from Galilee?
Steve (35:59):
Jonah, possibly Elijah and Nahum.
Ken (36:04):
Oh, search and see that no prophet arises from Galilee.
Maybe no future prophets, Idon't know.
Steve (36:13):
So my notes say Not mine that's.
Bible study notes yeah, yeah,the Pharisees may simply have
been reflecting current biasagainst Galileans, or John may
be reporting their willingnesseven to distort the facts in
order to make their argumentsagainst Jesus.
Oh, that's funny.
That sounds like politics today?
Ken (36:33):
Yeah, yeah it doesn't.
The facts are irrelevant, butit does say the Christ is
supposed to come from Bethlehem.
Steve (36:41):
Yeah.
Ken (36:44):
And Jesus was obviously from Galilee, wasn't he?
Steve (36:52):
Pum pum pum.
Are you asking that as a realquestion?
Ken (37:00):
No, because we're going to find out in John chapter.
What is it?
22 or something.
Steve (37:07):
So stay tuned.
We're on the same bat channel,the same bat time, doesn't it go
over his?
Ken (37:14):
birth.
Oh, sorry, In like June John 22or 20 or something like that.
Steve (37:22):
Oh, that's a long ways away.
Ken (37:28):
But you'll see that Jesus was born in Bethlehem and I
think probably most people knowthat.
Steve (37:34):
Yep.
Ken (37:36):
Oh, little town of Bethlehem.
Steve (37:37):
Yes.
Ken (37:38):
And, by divine providence, his parents were sent there and
happened to have their babyJesus in Bethlehem, even though
they were not from there.
That's how God works, yep.
Steve (37:55):
All right.
Ken (37:56):
I don't have anything else, Steve.
I'm done.
I don't know what to say, but Iaccept that Jesus is talking
some stuff, confusing somepeople and making some other
people mad.
Steve (38:10):
And the stuff he says.
I like what CS Lewis said.
He was either crazy or hereally was the Son of God.
You can't just say he was a manthat had good teaching.
Ken (38:25):
That, to me, is the worst lie, the most unbelievable lie.
He was a good teacher.
He wasn't the Christ.
He was a good teacher, so hewas.
You're saying he was a crazyman then, but somehow he taught
well, oh I don't believe thoseother verses.
Steve (38:48):
Pick and choose.
Ken (38:50):
Yeah, I agree with that.
All right guys.
Well, that's all I got.
Steve (38:55):
Well, I don't believe in picking and choosing verses, Ken
.
Ken (38:59):
Good for you, Steve.
I don't know where else to gowith that.
Oh, you said I believe in that.
Oh no, I believe in not pickingand choosing.
I believe in picking andchewing.
Yeah, All right guys, we're inwith that.
Thanks, Congratulations.
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Bye, OK, we're done now.
It's OK.
Hi, you are listening to the Regular Guys Bible Study
Podcast.
We are your host, Ken and Steve, and we are just Regular Guys
studying the Bible.
Steve (00:21):
Not theologians.
Ken (00:22):
That's right.
Hey Steve, how are you doing?
I'm doing alright.
How are you, ken?
I'm good.
You know, I've always wondered,do I?
You know, we have this introthing and I do some music, and
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then we say this little thingand then we have some music
again.
You know, I just realized,should I?
You know, I don't know ifthat's the right amount of time
for each one of those things.
Am I overthinking it, or isthere like an optimal time for
music, words and then music?
Steve (01:05):
I'm pretty sure that, whatever that time is, it's
better than this time right now.
Ken (01:13):
Oh gosh, ouch, Okay, my feelings.
My feelings aren't important.
Steve (01:22):
You just took a class on this stuff, didn't they spell
all this out?
I?
Ken (01:26):
didn't ask that part.
You know some of these.
You know they just assumeyou're not OCD about stuff and
it's not that important.
Steve (01:37):
So probably isn't that important.
Ken (01:39):
Yeah, alright, so today we're going to last week.
We finished John chapter sixthis day.
This time we're going to lookat John chapter seven.
We'll see how far we get.
I think we can finish the wholething, but we'll see.
It is kind of long.
But before we start it saysthat chapter seven starts off
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after this Jesus went about inGalilee.
So what just happened?
That this is after.
Steve (02:14):
So this is where he talked about eating his flesh
and drinking his blood, and alot of the disciples left, but
the apostles stayed.
Ken (02:23):
Yeah, so the twelve that he chose stayed, but a bunch that
were following him left becausethey just they didn't know how
to handle that message thatyou're supposed to eat him and
drink, eat his flesh and drinkhis blood.
That was what they said.
It's a hard lesson.
Steve (02:44):
I wonder, if Weird Al-Yakovic had been around at
the time, if the theme song forJesus would be eat me.
I'm a Danish.
Is that is, that it's one ofthe songs I'm a Danish, I'm a
Danish, I'm a.
Ken (03:00):
Danish.
I'm a Danish.
Eat me on it.
I'm a Danish, okay.
Steve (03:04):
You've never heard that.
Ken (03:06):
I probably have.
I've heard a lot of his stuff,but I don't know that's.
I'm sorry.
I wish I had laughed at thejoke, but I'm a little too slow
for it.
But oh wow, I hear.
I hear the people listeningthough.
Steve (03:23):
Oh wow, they are laughing .
Ken (03:26):
Oh man, they're cracking up so much I couldn't help but
laugh.
Oh wow, all right, steve, doyou want to start?
Steve (03:35):
Why don't you start again ?
Okay, I'll start today.
Ken (03:39):
After this, jesus went about in Galilee, he would not
go about in Judea because theJews were seeking to kill him.
Now the Jews feast of boothswas at hand.
So his brother said to himleave here and go to Judea that
your disciples also may see theworks you were doing.
For no one works in secret.
If he seeks to be known openly,if you do these things, show
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yourself to the world.
For not even his brothersbelieved in him.
Jesus said to them my time hasnot yet come, but your time is
always here.
The world cannot hate you, butit hates me because I testify
about it that its works are evil.
You go up to the feast.
I am not going up to the feast,for my time has not yet fully
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come.
After saying this, he remainedin Galilee.
But after his brothers had goneup to the feast, then he also
went up, not publicly but inprivate.
The Jews were looking for himat the feast and saying where is
he?
And there was much mutteringabout him among the people.
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While some said he is a goodman, others said no, he is
leading the people astray.
Yet for fear of the Jews, noone spoke openly of him.
Steve (04:57):
I think that's a good place to stop.
Ken (05:00):
Really Okay.
Steve (05:03):
Well, the little subtitles suggest not, but
that's okay, I think if we readtoo much we lose some of the
thought process here.
So there are a couple of thingsin here that strike me One.
It sounds like his brotherswant him to do more tricks,
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signs, miracles, and yet you'dthink his brothers have seen
quite a few of them, like atleast the wedding.
Ken (05:37):
Actually, though it says, for not even his brothers
believed in him.
So because they say if you dothese things, they say.
If you do these things, showyourself to the world.
Steve (05:57):
Right, and it's like hey, do show more stuff to people so
that they'll believe.
Ken (06:04):
But the ways that they say if you do these things, you know
you can't do that.
Is that a way of not reallybelieving that he really does
those things?
Steve (06:17):
I don't know Right before that.
It says, for no one works insecret if he seeks to be known
openly.
And Jesus said my time is notyet come, so he's not meant to
be known openly yet.
Ken (06:31):
But it says for not even his brothers believed in him, so
it sounds like they don'tbelieve that he really does
those things.
Steve (06:37):
Yeah, it does kind of sound like that.
Ken (06:38):
It kind of sounds like they think they're being tricked
somehow and they're not going tofall for it because you're a
stupid older brother.
Steve (06:47):
Yep, but then the other thing that strikes me here yes.
You go up to the feast.
I am not going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully
come.
But after his brothers had goneup to the feast, then he also
went up, not publicly but inprivate.
Ken (07:04):
Yes.
Steve (07:05):
Did he lie to his brothers?
Yes, did he.
Ken (07:12):
He said he's not going and he did.
Steve (07:14):
Maybe he just meant I'm not going with you or I'm not
going right now.
Ken (07:21):
So you know this, I'm probably going to be censored by
every theologian and see, thisis why I'm not a theologian.
But it actually bothers me whenpeople say that lying is a sin.
There are multiple times in theBible where someone lies and it
has been a good thing, likeRahab the prostitute lied about.
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It was counted as righteous forher to do that.
And the 10 commandments when itsays do not bear false witness.
That is not.
That does not say do not lie.
Bearing false witness is anillegal matter.
That's a bear.
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Being a false witness says yeah, I saw that guy steal your,
your loaf of bread.
Steve (08:15):
Yeah, that's.
Ken (08:17):
Or I heard him say these things about your wife and you
didn't really hear those things.
That's bear, that's been,that's bearing false witness.
So there is nowhere in theBible as far as I know again.
Steve (08:32):
I'm not a theologian that says do not lie, but Jesus
himself said let your yes be yesand your no be no.
Ken (08:42):
Yes.
Steve (08:44):
Are you sure?
Ken (08:46):
I think so yeah.
Steve (08:51):
I mean to me, this is no becomes a yes.
Ken (08:59):
Well, you know.
Steve (09:02):
I, but I hear you on the other thing, because Rahab
clearly lied and it was a goodthing.
Abraham lied numerous times,but I'm not entirely sure, it
was a good thing.
Ken (09:16):
It was awkward that he lied at times and I've heard that it
preached from the pulpit thatit was a sin that he did that.
I do not read it that way, Ijust read it as a fact of how
events happened.
It showed at times his lack offaith, I think, in his fear for
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his life.
But you know, it never says andhe was punished because he lied
.
Steve (09:54):
You know, he was rewarded .
Ken (09:55):
He was rewarded for what he did, and so man clearly is part
of God's plan.
Steve (10:04):
Yes, definitely, because that's how he ended up getting
all the livestock and otherstuff.
Ken (10:11):
Right.
So I think Jesus did lie to hisbrothers right here.
Now that's my take on it.
Now he might have just youcould argue that he was saying
well, I'm really.
What he's really saying is I'mnot going with you.
Because if he said I'm going,then they would.
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He would go with them, but hewanted to go in private.
Steve (10:39):
So it seems rather strategic, also because had he
gone with them, it would havebeen in public, in a large crowd
.
All the Jews would know exactlywhere he was Right.
They would have tried to grabhim right away, maybe stone him.
Ken (10:57):
So do you notice anything else?
I noticed something else.
That's kind of surprising, butI'm not sure what it means.
Steve (11:03):
Go ahead.
Ken (11:04):
So his brothers are saying this to him, not his 12
disciples.
And his brothers say leave hereand go to Judea that your
disciples may see the works youare doing.
Now I don't know if that's the12.
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I think that's got to be theother or the others and his 12
are with him and his brothersare talking to him, but his
disciples, his 12 disciples, arethere with him.
Steve (11:37):
So this did come right after that difficult saying of
eating the flesh and drinkingthe blood, and his brothers are
probably thinking, oh, he'sloony.
Ken (11:48):
He could be crazy.
Steve (11:51):
We need to bring him back for all the other disciples to
see how crazy he really is.
Ken (12:00):
There may be.
Yeah, that could be All right.
Yeah, I don't really know.
We don't really know what thatmeans.
I think those disciples are theother disciples.
It does not mention the 12disciples here, but I think they
are probably with him, becausefrom all other accounts it seems
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like they went everywhere withhim, except maybe they'll cross
the river or they'll cross alake on a boat while he walks
around.
So you know, maybe maybe thereare a couple of days when
they're apart, could be so Allright, anything else from this
section.
Steve (12:44):
So the people saying when is he?
And while some said he's a goodman, others said no, he's
leading the people astray.
But for fear of the Jews no onespoke openly of him.
What do you suppose that means?
You think the Jews would havegrabbed the one saying he is a
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good man and like rebut them, orworse.
Ken (13:12):
I think.
I think it may be.
It may be one of those caseswhere, if the Jews are, the Jews
are.
So the Pharisees, for example,really are so irritated by Jesus
that they don't want to hearhis name mentioned.
Don't say that name around meKind of behavior.
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I don't know, but you're right,yeah, for fear of the Jews.
No one spoke openly of him andI assume these are Jews that are
talking, by the way.
So when it says fear of theJews, I think it means the
hierarchy, the higher up Jews.
Steve (14:00):
The religious hierarchy Jews.
Ken (14:03):
Yes.
Steve (14:06):
The Pharisees and the sad you sees.
Ken (14:09):
Yes, all right.
Why don't we read the nextsection?
You want me to take the nextsection?
Steve (14:18):
About the middle of the feast, jesus went up into the
temple and began teaching.
The Jews therefore marveled,saying how is it that this man
has learning when he has neverstudied?
So Jesus answered them myteaching is not mine, but his
who sent me.
If anyone's will is to do God'swill, he will know whether the
teaching is from God or whetherI am speaking on my own
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authority.
The one who speaks on his ownauthority seeks his own glory,
but the one who seeks the gloryof him who sent him is true and
in him there is no falsehood.
Has not Moses given you the law?
Yet none of you keeps the law.
Why do you seek to kill me?
The crowd answered you have ademon who is seeking to kill you
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.
Jesus answered them I did onework and you all marvel at it.
Moses gave you circumcision,not that it is from Moses, but
from the fathers.
And you circumcise a man on theSabbath.
If, on the Sabbath, a manreceives circumcision, so that
the law of Moses may not bebroken, are you angry with me
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because on the Sabbath I made aman's whole body?
Well, do not judge byappearances, but judge with
right judgment.
Okay, so I think the man he istalking about.
Here is the one that was at thepool.
Ken (15:37):
Yeah, that is what it sounds like.
Steve (15:39):
Because they got pretty upset that he healed him on a
Sabbath.
Ken (15:43):
Yes, and what is interesting, they also got mad
that he was carrying his pallet,because that is doing work,
yeah.
Steve (15:53):
And circumcision is not work.
Ken (15:59):
Hey, that is a catch-22 problem right there.
What do you do?
You either have to do thecircumcision, or you are
breaking the law, or you can'twork on the Sabbath.
I mean, what do you do?
One of them is breaking the law.
Breaking the law, breaking thelaw.
What is that?
Steve (16:21):
I think that is from Beavis and Uthead.
Ken (16:24):
No, no, no, there is an old song breaking the law.
Steve (16:29):
Breaking the law, breaking the law.
I fought the law, but the lawwon.
Ken (16:35):
Oh, maybe it is from that song, is it?
I don't think so.
Okay, I am going to have tolook it up.
Steve (16:42):
What else you got in there?
Ken (16:45):
Let's see.
Well, it is just about, youknow, the main thing, I think,
for applying this.
This is what is important, youknow judge with right judgment,
not with this legalism, becauseGod, God, is not a legalistic
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God.
God is a God of right judgmentand grace and grace.
Yeah, and if you do a good workand it happens to be on the
Sabbath, why would God be angryabout that thing you did?
So I think that is what he issaying, Like do you ever work on
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the Sabbath?
On Saturday, or are you sayingSunday?
I don't know, you tell me.
Steve (17:41):
Well, technically, the Sabbath is Saturday, in which
case I work quite frequently onSaturday, maybe not work work.
Ken (17:49):
I don't do work, work, I do home work, yard work, yard work
, if I have a yard.
Yeah, sometimes I am lazy and Idon't do much work.
Those are the best.
Sometimes I get extremely angryon Sabbath.
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Because, the why?
Because the Texas Longhornslost, oh yeah.
Steve (18:21):
That game was so bad they lost it in the first two
minutes.
I know it.
Ken (18:29):
But the truth is I used to get very angry.
I don't really get angryanymore.
Steve (18:34):
I mean, I get and the Dallas game was just as bad.
Ken (18:40):
Yeah, yeah, all right, let's talk about things of God
and not things of this world.
All right, let's move on to thenext section, unless you have
more to say there.
No, I'm good, all right.
Some of the people of Jerusalemtherefore said is not this the
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man whom they seek to kill,which I think that's funny,
because so I just right up therehe says why do you seek to kill
me?
And the crowd says you have ademon.
Who is seeking to kill you.
All right, so then he talks alittle bit more, and then some
of the people of Jerusalemtherefore said hey, is not this
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the man whom they seek to kill?
And here he is, speaking openlyand they say nothing to him.
Can it be that the authoritiesreally know that this is the
Christ?
But we know where this mancomes from, and when the Christ
appears, no one will know wherehe comes from.
So Jesus proclaimed, as hetaught in the temple you know me
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and you know where I come from,but I have not come of my own
accord.
He who sent me is true, and himyou do not know.
I know him, for I come from himand he sent me.
So they were seeking to arresthim, but no one laid a hand on
him, because this hour, becausehis hour had not yet come yet
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Many of the people believed inhim.
They said when the Christappears, will he do more signs
than this man has done?
Steve (20:18):
The whole thing about.
No one will know where he comesfrom.
Where is that in the Bible?
Where are they getting thatfrom?
Ken (20:29):
That's a good question.
Where is that from?
Because they do know, I mean,and later on in this chapter
they say he's supposed to comefrom Bethlehem.
Yeah, in verse 40, 42, which wehaven't gotten to yet, the
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people say he's supposed to comefrom Bethlehem.
So what does that mean?
Steve (21:11):
My notes say some rabbis taught that the Messiah would be
wholly unknown until he set outto procure salvation for Israel
.
Others, however, were sureabout his birthplace, which is
verse 42.
Ken (21:26):
Okay, so I guess these were the ones that believed they
were not to know anything abouthim until he was securing that
salvation.
So what does Jesus?
Steve (21:41):
say though.
It sounds like he's saying youdon't really know where I'm from
because I'm from the Father andyou don't know him.
Ken (21:49):
Yes, that's what I'm taking , that, as you think, you know
where I'm from, but I come fromthe Father and you don't know
who the Father is.
Okay, and then they wereseeking to arrest him, but no
one laid a hand on him.
I don't know if that's divineprotection or if that is fear
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that they had of the crowds orwhat or it's both, or maybe both
.
Yeah, well, I guess it had to bedivine, also because it wasn't
his time.
Yep, all right, is it my turnto read, or is that?
No, I just read that.
I think you just read that.
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Yeah, it's your turn.
Steve (22:36):
All right.
The Pharisees heard the crowdmuttering these things about him
and the chief priests andPharisees sent officers to
arrest him.
Jesus then said I will be withyou a little longer and then I
am going to him.
Who sent me?
You will seek me and you willnot find me where I am.
Where I am, you cannot come.
The Jews said to one anotherwhere does this man intend to go
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?
That we will not find him?
Does he intend to go to thedispersion among the Greeks and
teach the Greeks?
What does he mean by saying wewill, you will seek me and you
will not find me, and where I am, you cannot come.
I should probably keep going.
Huh, you can, yeah.
On the last day of the feast,the great day, jesus stood up
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and cried out if anyone thirsts,let him come to me and drink.
Whoever believes in me, as thescripture has said, out of his
heart will flow rivers of livingwater.
Now, this he said about thespirit whom those who believed
in him were to receive, whereasyet the spirit had not been
given because Jesus was not yetglorified.
Ken (23:42):
Okay.
So in the first part of that,it just strikes me how confused
everyone is, and you know therehas been a lot going on here
where every time Jesus speaks,you can just see the puzzlement
on people's faces and how theyreact.
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They don't know.
They're one of two things.
One, they don't have any cluewhat he's trying to say.
And they'll say he'll talkabout living water and they're
thinking, huh, I don't want tobe thirsty, that sounds good, I
want to drink some water or foodthe same way.
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Or he's talking about, you know, bread, and his body is bread,
is the bread of life, and it'slike, I don't know, this is
craziness.
Or people like the Phariseesoccasionally understand
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something and it's just enoughfor them to realize he's
claiming to be equal with God,and so the people really don't
have any idea what he's talkingabout for the most part, and the
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Pharisees are just getting mad.
Steve (25:15):
So the dispersion.
Do you know what that is forour listeners out there?
I feel like we should go aheadand explain it.
I was asking you.
Ken (25:26):
I've heard of it, but are you looking it up now?
You know you've already lookedit up.
You're just trying to embarrassme.
No, I'm not going to do that.
You tell the listeners what thedispersion is.
Steve (25:39):
It is when the Jewish people got scattered throughout
the Roman Empire.
Ken (25:48):
Okay, that's.
Is that your full answer?
Steve (25:53):
Well, this thing here doesn't go into a whole lot more
description, but back when thePersians came in, they took a
bunch of the Jews, and then whowas it after them, I don't
remember, but anyway they gotscattered all over the place
because they took them as slaves.
Ken (26:13):
Okay so, but when did the dispersion happen?
Steve (26:16):
I think it was all the way back with like Daniel and
them right.
Ken (26:19):
So like what?
What is that 400 BC to someother time.
I thought you had moreinformation for us.
Steve (26:31):
No, because that's kind of I think the Romans also did
some of that, where they wouldtake people and move them around
.
Ken (26:42):
Probably People in general have a history of making other
slaves.
In fact, it still happens today, that's in very, very bad ways.
Steve (27:02):
I mean not that this was a good way to be a slave, but it
the stuff you hear about?
Ken (27:07):
Well, there are sex trafficking slaves, but they're
still working slaves as well.
That we get paid for our work,can?
No, I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about professionalbasketball players.
They're treated like slaves.
There's somebody that said that, I don't remember who it?
(27:28):
Was, but but yeah, whilethey're making millions and
millions of dollars.
Steve (27:37):
I don't think that qualifies no.
Ken (27:42):
Anyway, we have really fallen off the rails.
All right, let's go on to thisnext section, the last section
of chapter eight.
Steve (27:51):
But we didn't talk about the living water.
Oh, that's right.
If you recall, back when he wastalking about my blood, if
you're thirsty you have to drinkmy blood, and I said it was the
Holy Spirit.
I think this backs up thatclaim.
Ken (28:11):
What do you mean?
It backs it up.
I mean he's repeating it, Allright, but I think I guess it
was last podcast.
Steve (28:21):
I don't think you agreed with me what that we must
partake of him and the HolySpirit is part of that partaking
.
Ken (28:34):
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, I don't know, I don't
remember what I said, or maybe Ijust didn't say it well and you
didn't understand me.
I don't know, I don't know whatwe're saying right now I'm so
confused.
All right, then let's go on.
No, I agree with you in thathere.
I mean, it plainly says thathe's talking about the Holy
(28:56):
Spirit.
Oh, okay, so I do recallsomething.
And you said he this could bereferring to the Holy Spirit,
right?
And I said you're right.
I'd okay, I do remember this andI thought I didn't like openly
disagree with you, but Iprobably didn't agree, I
(29:19):
probably did not agree with you,and I rolled my eyes here in
the studio, in the studio, inthe studio.
Yes, okay, I think you arevindicated.
(29:41):
I think you have completevindication.
Great Good job, steve.
We might want to call it anight right now?
Steve (29:47):
No, we're not.
Ken (29:48):
We've got a.
We've got a one after that.
All right.
When they heard these words,some of the people said this
really is the prophet.
Other said this is the Christ.
But some said is the Christ tocome from Galilee?
Has not?
The scripture said that theChrist comes from the offspring
of David and comes fromBethlehem, the village where
(30:10):
David was.
So there was a division amongthe people over him.
Some of them wanted to arresthim, but no one laid hands on
him.
The officers then came to thechief priest and Pharisees who
said to them why did you notbring him?
The officers answered no oneever spoke like this man.
(30:30):
The Pharisees answered themhave you also been deceived?
Have any of the authorities ofthe Pharisees believed in him?
But this crowd that does notknow the law is a cursed.
Nicodemus, who had gone to himbefore and who was one of them,
said to them does our law judgea man without first giving him a
(30:51):
hearing and learning what hedoes?
They replied are you fromGalilee to search and see that?
No prophet arises from Galilee?
And it has a note here that theearliest manuscripts do not
include.
Steve (31:08):
Let's see that last verse where it says up through 8, 11.
Ken (31:14):
Mike's is 753 through 8, 11 .
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Steve (31:18):
Oh, actually it's the whole story of the woman caught
in adultery.
Ken (31:23):
Oh yeah, and actually we haven't even got.
I did, I did not read 753.
It's it's actually not listedin in chapter seven, it's listed
chapter eight.
Steve (31:34):
weird, it is so strange.
Ken (31:37):
Okay, at any rate.
Um, so it sounds like there'ssome confusion going on here.
Some people are, like,convinced, other people are not.
Steve (31:48):
Don't you kind of picture some sort of not so bright
thugs going to get him and thenthey come back.
Why didn't you?
Where is he?
And they're like oh, no one'sever spoken like that man has.
He knows what he's saying.
Ken (32:10):
Okay, um, well, I maybe, but I you know, I think the
Roman officers were actually notstupid thugs.
I think they're probably, Idon't know.
I have no idea about.
Steve (32:27):
Roman officers.
Were these Roman officers?
Were these officers of thechurch temple?
I thought for some reason.
Ken (32:36):
I was thinking they were Roman officers.
Is that not right?
The officers, let's see, itdoes not say Roman officers.
I don't know why I thought thatthat's just.
Yeah, that is probably wrong.
(32:59):
So, yeah, I don't know whothese people are.
They could be Roman.
If they're officers, would theybe Roman?
Or did the Jews have their ownofficers?
Steve (33:14):
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know either.
I'd be a little surprised ifthey were allowed to carry
weapons.
Ken (33:24):
Yeah, especially guns.
Steve (33:26):
Oh, I'd be really surprised if they had guns.
Ken (33:28):
Yeah, I'd be real surprised if they had guns, because they
weren't invented yet.
I know that would be cool,though, if they had guns.
Yeah, because they weren'tinvented.
Think how cool that would be.
We would be discovering rightnow something new, but we're not
, because it's not a thing.
Steve (33:53):
OK, we're going to move on before Ken tries to follow
that any further.
Oh, but just to take a quickmoment.
You're bringing up guns.
The current situation in Israelis pretty scary.
They were attacked by the Hamasfrom Gaza and now lots of
(34:21):
people dead.
And they even opened fire on adance club and stuff.
Ken (34:26):
Oh, there was a peace music festival that was attended by a
global constituent Americans,Germans, they were from all over
Europe and the US.
Steve (34:42):
And now they're declaring war.
Ken (34:43):
Yes.
Steve (34:44):
So kind of scary.
I'm not sure what's going tohappen.
Ken (34:48):
That's true.
Now this podcast it might belistened to at any time.
This is being recorded inwhat's today, october 9th,
october 9th of 2023.
So there's some pretty scarystuff happening in Israel right
now.
Now, hopefully that won't lastlong.
(35:11):
A lot of these types of thingsin the past haven't lasted too
long because they come to peace.
But I don't know.
This one's pretty big, prettybrazen yeah.
Steve (35:25):
Anyway.
Oh, there was one other thing Iwanted to cover in here before
we call it a night Yep, theyreplied.
Are you from Galilee too?
Search and see that no prophetarises from Galilee.
Ken (35:42):
Yeah.
Steve (35:43):
So did they not know their own prophets?
Ken (35:48):
No, that's what they're saying.
Go ahead and search.
Steve (35:51):
Several prophets are from Galilee.
Ken (35:55):
Who?
Who's from Galilee?
Steve (35:59):
Jonah, possibly Elijah and Nahum.
Ken (36:04):
Oh, search and see that no prophet arises from Galilee.
Maybe no future prophets, Idon't know.
Steve (36:13):
So my notes say Not mine that's.
Bible study notes yeah, yeah,the Pharisees may simply have
been reflecting current biasagainst Galileans, or John may
be reporting their willingnesseven to distort the facts in
order to make their argumentsagainst Jesus.
Oh, that's funny.
That sounds like politics today?
Ken (36:33):
Yeah, yeah it doesn't.
The facts are irrelevant, butit does say the Christ is
supposed to come from Bethlehem.
Steve (36:41):
Yeah.
Ken (36:44):
And Jesus was obviously from Galilee, wasn't he?
Steve (36:52):
Pum pum pum.
Are you asking that as a realquestion?
Ken (37:00):
No, because we're going to find out in John chapter.
What is it?
22 or something.
Steve (37:07):
So stay tuned.
We're on the same bat channel,the same bat time, doesn't it go
over his?
Ken (37:14):
birth.
Oh, sorry, In like June John 22or 20 or something like that.
Steve (37:22):
Oh, that's a long ways away.
Ken (37:28):
But you'll see that Jesus was born in Bethlehem and I
think probably most people knowthat.
Steve (37:34):
Yep.
Ken (37:36):
Oh, little town of Bethlehem.
Steve (37:37):
Yes.
Ken (37:38):
And, by divine providence, his parents were sent there and
happened to have their babyJesus in Bethlehem, even though
they were not from there.
That's how God works, yep.
Steve (37:55):
All right.
Ken (37:56):
I don't have anything else, Steve.
I'm done.
I don't know what to say, but Iaccept that Jesus is talking
some stuff, confusing somepeople and making some other
people mad.
Steve (38:10):
And the stuff he says.
I like what CS Lewis said.
He was either crazy or hereally was the Son of God.
You can't just say he was a manthat had good teaching.
Ken (38:25):
That, to me, is the worst lie, the most unbelievable lie.
He was a good teacher.
He wasn't the Christ.
He was a good teacher, so hewas.
You're saying he was a crazyman then, but somehow he taught
well, oh I don't believe thoseother verses.
Steve (38:48):
Pick and choose.
Ken (38:50):
Yeah, I agree with that.
All right guys.
Well, that's all I got.
Steve (38:55):
Well, I don't believe in picking and choosing verses, Ken
.
Ken (38:59):
Good for you, Steve.
I don't know where else to gowith that.
Oh, you said I believe in that.
Oh no, I believe in not pickingand choosing.
I believe in picking andchewing.
Yeah, All right guys, we're inwith that.
Thanks, Congratulations.
(39:19):
Bye, OK, we're done now.
It's OK.
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