October 30, 2023 • 42 mins
Ever asked yourself why the story of Jesus and the adulterous woman is so significant? The Regular Guys Bible Study Podcast is back, bringing you an episode where we tackle these puzzling questions head-on. Together, we'll dissect the intricate components of this narrative, touching on the contrasting roles of disciples and apostles and breaking down Jesus's response to the Pharisees' accusations.
Have you ever imagined what it would be like if light, a fundamental human need, was personified? As we journey through this episode, we'll illuminate Jesus' profound statement of being this essential element. We delve into the complex themes of judgment - from judging by the flesh to judging according to God's will, opening up a world of enlightenment and reflection.
But we won't stop there. We'll engage in a robust discussion on Jesus and Jewish beliefs, particularly focusing on Jesus' encounter with the adulterous woman and the intriguing absence of the man involved. You'll be at the edge of your seat as we speculate on Jesus's location in John 8, and whether he had moved from the Treasury. So, brace yourself for an episode filled with thought-provoking conversations and fresh perspectives on biblical stories that you thought you knew like the back of your hand. Get ready, this is one ride you won't want to miss!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hi, you are listening to the Regular Guys Bible Study
Podcast.
We are your host, ken and Steve, and we are just Regular Guys
studying the Bible.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Not theologians hey.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Ken.
Hey Steve, How's it going?
I'm good.
There's loud music coming in.
Yeah, you look a little tired.
You know what I feel a littletired?
I think it's because it's beena rainy day.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We sure do need the rain.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, we do need rain .
I mean, we both you and I bothare a very small percentage in
this in the US.
We both live off of rainwateronly.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
That's right, and I have never had a truck come,
except for when we first builtthe tank.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Same, but we haven't had ours very long.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
So, I'm going on seven years now.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, I'm going on what?
Two months, three months,something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So I don't have much to go on, but careful there,
Steve.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
We got a runner.
The mic is making a run for it,all right.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Well, thanks for coming back, guys.
We are going to look at Johnchapter eight.
Today.
We have been doing fullchapters.
I believe we're going to goabout halfway though, for John
chapter eight to about chapter.
I mean verse 30.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So technically, I think we're going to start with
seven verse chapter seven, verse53.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Ah, yes, so I was going to ask you about that.
Do you want to do that section?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So it's interesting.
It says that the earliestmanuscripts do not include 753
through 811.
Right, and yet there are otherplaces that will point that out
and they don't include it.
So I'm curious why this one wasincluded and other spots are
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not.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
My only guess is that when the ESV was originally put
together, they did not havethat information.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
And you think that these notes were added?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
later versions?
Yeah, that's my guess, but Idon't know.
You know what?
This is one of those caseswhere I wish they had some easy
way to research stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I had an idea once if you could just type in a
question somewhere, maybe a typeLike a typewriter, a magic
typewriter.
Magic typewriter.
You type in a question and itgives you back an answer.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
That would be pretty cool, man Huh, I'm going to have
to Google that to see if thatexists.
That's a great idea, all right.
Well, let's get started.
Steve, this and that story thestory is actually a very famous
story.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I think it is.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
In fact, there are a lot of illustrations.
In fact, our pastor used thisillustration this last Sunday.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
This one.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
He referenced this story about Jesus drawing in the
sand.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I must have missed that.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You're probably sleeping when you get your age
and you sit in a pew, your headjust nods back.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
First service or second?
Maybe he didn't do it in thesecond.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Oh, it was first service.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I was serving in the first service.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
You know what I was doing during the first service
Falling asleep in the pew.
No, I was listening, all right.
Why don't you read this passage, which might or might not be an
original story?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
They went each to his own house.
Hold it.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Who what happened?
Let's talk about what justhappened.
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
He's talking about Pharisees.
I'm guessing this must be thedisciples they're talking about,
because we didn't finish it,but Jesus went to the Mount of
Olives.
To me that sounds like he wentto the Mount of Olives by
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himself, which means hisdisciples went home because
they're in Jerusalem.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You don't think the 12 went with him To Mount Olive.
Yeah, I don't know thescripture is ambiguous sometimes
about the word disciple,because the 12 are also
disciples, but they are the 12.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
They're also apostles .
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I think that word comes later, because all the
disciples here are apostles,because to be an apostle you
have to witness Christ.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
You have this look on your face like I thought there
were only the 12 apostles andyou're saying that everyone that
is a disciple of him here is anapostle.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I'm saying that to be an apostle, you had to witness
Christ on earth, and that's whyPaul calls him himself an
apostle and like what does hesay?
As one abnormally born becauseof the way in which Christ
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presented himself to him.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But that would mean there's still a lot more than
just the 12.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, but there might be okay, I don't know, steve
all the rules of apostle versusdisciple, but I know that you
have to have witnessed Christ tobe an apostle.
Alright, well, let's go on.
Yeah, why don't you?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
read now.
They each went to his own house, but Jesus went to the Mount of
Olives.
Early in the morning he cameagain to the temple.
All the people came to him andhe sat down and taught them.
The scribes and the Phariseesbrought a woman who had been
caught in adultery and placed inher in the midst.
They said to him Teacher, thiswoman has been caught in the act
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of adultery.
Now in the law, moses commandedus to stone such women.
So what do you say this?
They said detest him, that theymight have some charge to bring
against him.
Jesus bent down and wrote withhis finger on the ground.
And as they continued to askhim, he stood up and said to
them Let him who is without sinamong you be the first to throw
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a stone at her.
And once more he bent down andwrote on the ground.
But when they heard it, theywent away one by one, beginning
with the older ones, and Jesuswas left alone with the woman
standing before him.
Jesus stood up and said to herWoman where are they?
Does no one condemned you?
She said no one, lord.
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And Jesus said Neither do Icould condemn you.
Go and from now on send no more.
All right.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Thank you, Steve.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
You're welcome, Ken.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Oh man, this is.
It's a pretty cool story.
What one question I've alwayshad about this story is what did
he write on the ground?
No, um, because I think it'sevident that it meant something
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to the people who were notwithout sin around him.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Okay, then I'm going to guess it's why didn't they
bring the man that was caught inadultery?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Um, I'm not.
No, that's not my questioneither.
Here's my question, becausethey had different standards.
That's why, um, my question isthis do you think the woman had
just been caught?
Or did they know about thiswoman and said Jesus is here,
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let's bring her out?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I think it's irrelevant.
An elephant irrelevant.
No irrelevant, it's yourelephant.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Ken, and it's in the middle of the room.
Okay, you think it's irrelevant, it is irrelevant, but it
always makes me wonder.
Because they're just trying totrap it?
I guess God could have alsojust allowed this woman to be
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caught, because it's time forJesus to to say this
Everything's orchestrated.
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, I still think it's pretty unfair that they
want to stone the woman.
But who cares about the guy?
Hey, the guy, because it'sprobably one of them.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah could have been yeah, and I don't know what the
Jewish law was for the guy.
I'll bet it wasn't stoning.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I bet it is.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You think so.
The laws were very differentfor men and women.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
If only we had that magic.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, yeah, why don't you search for that?
Steve, while I say some stuff,don't type too fast.
Sometimes those keys get stuck.
Anyway, one thing that Inoticed and it's something I
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always notice, this, but Ialways forget it, I'm so quick
to forget but Jesus does notcondemn her before.
I mean, she has not said said,please forgive me, I am a sinner
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and I need, I'm repenting,right, she has not said these
things Correct.
And Jesus says first asked hasanyone condemned you?
And she says no, no one.
And she says he says neither doI condemn you.
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Then he says go and from now onsend no more.
If I were in Jesus's shoessandals I would likely say all
right, are you going to keepdoing this?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
You told me to look it up.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
No, no.
I'm telling you what Jesus,telling you what the Ken Jesus
would have said, I would havesaid to her are you going to
keep doing this?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And I got you.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Because if you are, then you know, be gone with you.
If you're not, okay, then Idon't condemn you.
But that is one of the cool andawesome things about Jesus is
the forgiveness of sin.
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While we are still sinners, wehave that forgiveness before.
All right, did you findsomething?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I found something, but it was a really long article
and it was going on and onabout the various punishments of
like burning or stripping, andthe husband could wave the
punishment because it was a sinagainst him.
But that's not biblical, it'slong.
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All right and I couldn't listento you and read at the same
time what is wrong with you.
I'm a man.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I cannot multitask.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And you know what, even though this is the regular
guy's Bible study, we shouldhave one of our, one of our
wives.
Hold it.
How do you say that?
Because we don't have multiple.
How do you say it?
One of our wives?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think you had it right.
The first no I think it's oneof our wives, one of your wife's
.
What?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
One of either your wife or my wife.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And like look stuff up for us and and could submit
to us, Well, what we do.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So you know I don't want to diss my wife too much
here but, she's not thattechnically savvy.
She would need the magictypewriter.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, I understand.
You know my wife would havemore questions than answers.
I'm sure, and I think we'relucky that our wife, neither one
of our wives is going to listento this.
That's right, so we're safe.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Oh gosh, I think if one of them were here, they'd be
talking a lot more than us.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, you're right about that, that would not work.
That would certainly not work.
All right, all right, any moreon that story.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
No, I think that's it for me.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
All right, you want to go on to the next story?
Then you want me to read thatsection.
Sure.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I'd love for you to read the next section.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Again, jesus spoke to them, saying I am the light of
the world.
Whoever follows me will notwalk in darkness but will have
the light of life.
So the Pharisee said to him youare bearing witness about
yourself.
Your testimony is not true.
Jesus answered even if I dobear witness about myself, my
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testimony is true, for I knowwhere I came from and where I am
going, but you do not knowwhere I come from or where I am
going.
You judge according to theflesh.
I judge no one.
Yet even if I do judge, myjudgment is true because I alone
who judge?
But I and the Father who sentme.
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In your law it is written thatthe testimony of two people is
true.
I am the one who bears witnessabout myself, and the Father who
sent me bears witness about me.
They said to him therefore,where is your Father?
Jesus answered you know neitherme nor my Father.
If you knew me, you would knowmy Father also.
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These words he spoke in thetreasury, as he taught in the
temple, but no one arrested himbecause his hour had not yet
come.
So he said to them againactually, why don't we stop
there?
That's a good spot to stop,even though it's not a little
title.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
All right, I have a question for you.
Yeah, go ahead.
If I asked you what a person'sbasic needs are, what would you
list?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Food okay, water okay , shelter okay, that's it.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So if you look it up, it's food, water, clothing,
shelter and sleep, but I thinkthey take for granted life.
I mean light, because withoutlight you go crazy.
You will eventually go mad ifyou're trapped in a pitch black
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box.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Why do you say that Blind people cannot see light?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Oh, that's a good point, but I think if you were
in a cave with no light, you gocrazy.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
There are stories of people being trapped in a cave.
For how long were those minersin a cave?
Like 40 days or something, withno light.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Did they go crazy?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Okay, I don't know the end result.
I know they were rescued.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Okay, I don't have a lot of basis for saying light is
one of the basic needs, but Ibring it up because you said
food, jesus is food.
You said water, jesus quenchesthirst.
You said shelter.
We haven't gotten there, butthere's a place for us in his
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father's house.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, and he also references as our stronghold,
which is shelter.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
And he is also the light of the world.
He provides light.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
But the light, see?
I don't buy this, steve.
The light is not a basicnecessity.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, now that you bring up blindness, I kind of
agree with you, but still itfeels good, okay, well you know
you have to have the sun.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
It does feel good.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Without the sun, we'd all be dead.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
That is true, both suns.
Which sun are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
The UN one.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Okay, yes, SUN.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Not the United Nations, but the SUN sun.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
The, yeah, the star in the sky.
Yep, All right.
When it talks about the lightof the world, it's really
referring to, about shedding,like it talks about shedding
light on the darkness so thatyou know all the evil can be
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seen.
So it brings evil out of thedarkness and into the light,
which it's really not aboutliving, it's just about exposing
.
It's about exposing evil.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So it's mid-October and I happened to watch a movie
yesterday where they were sayinggo into the light.
And then the parents screamedno, don't go into the light.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Were you watching um Poltergeist?
Okay, wow, that's an old movieit is.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
It was so 80s yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And the light was a trick Right.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Well, it's confusing because at one point she says
don't go into the light and atthe other point she says go into
the light.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
There's a Simpsons episode where they mocked that
or spoofed that and a similarthing happens.
I don't remember who is in theTV.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
But in any case I don't think we can take the
movie Poltergeist as a goodreference for the afterlife.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Well, that's really deep, that's Okay.
Oh man, what are we doing,steve?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Not very well.
Okay, all right.
What else?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
about this upper, this first section.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
So we were.
You mentioned this earlier,before we started.
But he says you judge accordingto the flesh.
I judge no one.
Yet even if I do judge, myjudgment is true, for it is not
I alone who judge, but I and theFather who sent me.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yes, and two chapters earlier, I think was it chapter
six.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Where does it say and six, he says, is flesh, is the
bread of life.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
He says that I judge.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I thought you'd be already with this, yeah you
would think so yeah.
I suppose you could edit thispodcast.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, I could, but that's a lot of work, it takes
time to do that.
Maybe it's in five.
Ah, in chapter five, verse 30,he says I can do nothing on my
own.
Okay, now this is interestingbecause, okay, he just said he
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doesn't judge anyone.
But if he did judge blah, blah,blah.
In chapter 5, verse 30, he saysI can do nothing on my own.
As I hear, I judge and myjudgment is just because I seek
not my own will but the will ofhim who sent me.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
So I guess I guess that's also a part where he's
talking about who's witnessing.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I know it's it's.
It's interesting how it relatesback to the witnessing about
himself again.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
But I think that other section was in Galilee and
now he's in Jerusalem.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yes, but and I was thinking that it was a little
controversial because he wassaying that he did judge and now
he's saying he doesn't judge.
But when I read back, when Iread that again, it's it's
really saying the father judgesand I'm just doing what he says.
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My, my judgment is really thefather's judgment.
Yep, so I think that is.
I don't think he'scontradicting himself at all.
So I was confused on that for alittle bit, but now I am not.
Now, what do you think aboutthis?
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Because he is.
You know, the Jews are sayingyou know, how can we trust you
are who you say you are RightBecause you're, you're bearing
witness about yourself.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
There's also like 300 prophecies that can be applied
to him.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Which they're not recognizing any of.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Also, john the Baptist had already testified in
in Jesus as who Jesus is.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And so now I can see how they would be blind to the
prophecies, because I mean noteverything's obvious.
Not everything's obvious, justlike today.
I mean, people want to saywe're in the last days, I don't
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know.
Sometimes it looks like that,right, but who knows, if you
were, I guarantee you this, ifyou were in Germany and you were
a Jew in the 19 and around 1940, you thought Jesus.
And well, if you believed inJesus, you thought he might not
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be.
You thought he might be comingback then because that was
horrible, right, that was talkabout in times material, yeah.
So you know there are horribletimes.
The times seem to be gettingworse in general, instead of
just an event.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
So yeah maybe it is.
The whole thing with Israel andGaza could get a lot worse
before it gets better.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yes, and if you hear this before Hamas attacks Israel
, then you know that's how theyhear it.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
It's not possible.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
That's what I'm trying to say.
It's not possible.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Okay, Ken, you are tired.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
No, I was trying to be funny, but I'm not.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Okay.
So I did see one other thing inhere.
These words he spoke in theTreasury as he taught in the
temple.
So previously it said he cameto again to the temple and sat
down and taught them.
Is the Treasury in the temple?
I?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
assumed it's another room.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It feels like he changed rooms, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, it does seem like that.
Maybe they asked him.
It's probably a little more ofa private room for the Pharisees
, some of the higher up, becausehe's not in the middle of the
temple talking with everybody.
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Here he's talking.
I think he's talking just withthe Pharisees and the higher up
in the clergy of the Jewishtemple.
Could be All right.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
so oh, I just had a thought, yeah that's a first.
If they had caught the woman inadultery?
Yeah, they wouldn't be allowedto bring her into the temple,
would they?
She would be considered uncleanor whatever.
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I think the outer courts right.
Anybody could come to the outercourts of the temple, but they
it's my understanding there aredifferent layers of the temple
and the outer area.
Even Gentiles could come in,but then as you got further in
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it was more, more rigorous, orWell, there's the final spot.
Only the high priest, only thehigh priest could go in, and he
could only go in if he had arope tied around him so they
could pull him out of.
God struck him dead.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yep, Okay, I have to ask why do you keep messing with
your phone, Ken?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I'm looking up stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Oh, okay.
Okay is that okay with you,steve Sure, I'll go ahead and
read the next section.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, why don't you do that you?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
play games on your phone, okay.
So he said to them again I amgoing away and you will seek me
and you will die in your sin.
Where I am going, you cannotcome.
So the Jews said will he killhimself?
Since he says where I am going,you cannot come?
He said to them you are frombelow, I am from above.
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You are of this world, I am notof this world.
I told you that you would die inyour sins, for unless you
believe that I am he, you willdie in your sins.
So they said to him who are you?
Jesus said to them just whatI've been telling you from the
beginning.
I have much to say about youand much to judge.
But he who sent me is true andI declare to the world what I
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have heard from him.
They did not understand that hehad been speaking to them about
the Father.
So Jesus said to them when youhave lifted up the Son of man,
then you will know that I am heand that I do nothing on my own
authority, but speak just as theFather taught me.
And he who sent me is with me.
He has not left me alone, for Ialways do the things that are
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pleasing to him.
As he was saying these things,many believed in him.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
All right.
So while you're reading that,steve, I use the magic
typewriter, and this is what Ifound.
The Torah is unequivocal.
This is back to the very firstthing that we wrote.
The Torah is unequivocal If aman commits adultery with a
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married woman oh, with a marriedwoman, see, I don't know what
that means.
Now, that's someone that'salready married.
Okay, the modern state of isthe both man and woman shall be
put to death.
So now I'm to do that.
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Oh, that's See, now I'mconfused because I didn't
realize.
It said a married woman.
So what if she's not married?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Ah, she becomes his wife.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
No.
Adultery defined in Jewish lawas sexual relations between a
married woman and a man, not herhusband.
So the fact that it calls itadultery means she's a married
woman and it doesn't matter ifthe man's married or not.
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That's what it sounds like.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
And the man could have sex with an unmarried woman
and everything's fine, I don'tknow about that.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I didn't look up that part.
This is talking about adultery.
Adultery according to theJewish law is when a married
woman has sexual relations witha man that's not her husband,
and the Jewish law would be thatboth the man and the woman
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would be put to death, and theleaders here only brought the
woman.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Well, maybe the man was right.
No, even if he were single, itwould not matter.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Would not matter.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
All right.
So that tells you a littlesomething about those guys also,
doesn't it?
The Pharisees are broader, allright.
So what do you want to talkabout in this section, steve?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
So I only made one note in here, although I think
there's other stuff to talkabout.
When you have lifted up the Sonof man, then you will know that
I am he.
Do you think that these Jewsrealize that when they put him
on the cross, that he was theSon of God?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I think some did.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I don't think I can't be that many, though right,
Because they went on topersecute anyone that followed
it.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, but you know, like, even like Nicodemus it
talks about.
I mean, he says he's in withthese people occasionally.
In one of the previous chaptershe was there again.
I don't remember what he said,though you know the thing about
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reading the Bible.
What I've noticed is you canread the same book 50 times and
something else stands out to youthat you never noticed before
and right now and there's thingsthat you've read, that you know
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you read and you cannotremember what it said.
But Nicodemus wants to believein Jesus.
I believe he thinks there'ssomething special about Jesus,
but he also, you know, I don'tknow the Nicodemus's final state
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of his belief, right, we're notprivy to that, that's maybe
we'll know someday.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Maybe Nicodemus is in the privy.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
What.
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (34:21):
You said we're not privy to it.
That made me think of a privyfrom the British.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I don't know what that is Bathroom.
I thought that was the Lou.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
They have lots of words for it.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
It's very important.
And Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
All right.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Do they have cues?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Oh, they love cues.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Also known as a line.
A cue is actually a better wordfor it, because Because you
don't use the letter Q veryoften.
No, because a line doesn'tdoesn't mean that it's just a
line of people.
It doesn't mean that like afirst in first out kind of thing
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or a last in first out, you canalso have a cue that's a last
in first out.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
So that sounds like a line that has multiple
directions.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
But a line is, can just be a line.
It doesn't mean that anybody isbeing served.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
I don't think anyone wants to hear about this, ken.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Well, but does anybody want to hear anything we
have to say, Steve?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Well, that's a great question.
We'll find out after thisepisode.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
All right.
Oh my goodness, all right.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Is there anything else you wanted to point out?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I'll say this In this section when Jesus is talking,
he is very confusing and heseems like he seems
intentionally vague at times,and I mean, I think that's
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intentionally, never, but he'slike just enough information so
that the Jews really, reallyhate him, you know.
So what do they say?
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They say, oh, that's later.
I don't understand why theythink he's going to kill himself
just because he says where I'mgoing, you can't go.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I wonder if it's because he said and you will die
in your sin.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Or maybe because it's yeah where I'm going, you will
seek me and you will die in yoursin.
So the die in your sin isrelated to where he's going.
So yeah, maybe so.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
These are actually references to the Kasekele, I
think.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Oh, these are references, so he's speaking Old
Testament to them.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I don't know.
It's a little hard to tell here.
Oh, that's going back tochapter seven.
You will seek me and you willnot find me where I am.
You cannot come.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
So you know.
They do ask him plainly againwho are you?
And he says just what I've beentelling you from the beginning.
I have much to say about youand much to judge, but he who
sent me is true, and I declareto the world what I have heard
from him, so he doesn't repeatwhat he said, who he is, but he
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just says I've already told you100 times I'm who I said I was
or am.
Yeah, it's very obvious, though, to us, isn't it that when the
Son of man is lifted up, it'svery obvious what that means
today.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
It is.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
But there was a.
There's a passage in I thinkit's Isaiah, that talks about
him being lifted up.
In the same way, right Evensays on a tree on a tree.
Yeah, so they have thewherewithal to be able to
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understand this.
Do you think, though, thatmaybe God was hardening their
hearts, just like God hardenedPharaoh's heart?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Did God do it, or did they do it themselves?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, they might not have needed it.
It doesn't say that Godhardened their hearts, like it,
like it says that in is that inGenesis or no Exodus?
Yeah that's why it's calledExodus, because they're exiting.
Yeah, I'm pretty smart, yeah.
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I was just wondering, though,if I mean it's divine so whether
God hardened his, their heartsor just managed to have the
right people in the room.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah we're already hardened.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, all right.
Well, but as he's saying thesethings, remember in the last
chapter I believe is the lastchapter many people like we're
going.
This is a tough message and alot of his disciples left Like
walked away, walked away, quitfollowing him.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
and not the 12, but many of us talking about eating
him, and that's right.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Eating the flesh, his flesh, and drinking his blood.
But after saying these things,many people believed in him.
So now he was in the Treasury,right, he's in the Treasury
talking here.
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Is that true?
Still, yes, this is.
It indicates he's likely.
Has not moved.
There's nothing to say that nohe could have moved, because it
starts off after saying he spokein the Treasury.
He said so.
He said to them again thatdoesn't necessarily mean right
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then is when he talked to them.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
He's probably still in the temple or near the temple
.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Right, yeah, I don't know.
So I'm just I was curious ifhe's still in the Treasury and
if we are assuming the Treasuryis a more centered spot in the
temple where fewer people areallowed, and it says many
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believed in him, so these couldhave been some Jewish leaders.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Possibly, but we don't really know.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
We don't know, I'm speculating and I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
All right Do you have anything else, steve?
No, I think that's good, allright.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
It's the best we can do, best I can do.
I don't know about good, butsomething it's something.
So that was John eight onethrough 30 first half, so eight.
So next time we will be doingJohn eight thirty one through
fifty nine.
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All right, that's all.
See you Bye.
Hi, you are listening to the Regular Guys Bible Study
Podcast.
We are your host, ken and Steve, and we are just Regular Guys
studying the Bible.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Not theologians hey.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Ken.
Hey Steve, How's it going?
I'm good.
There's loud music coming in.
Yeah, you look a little tired.
You know what I feel a littletired?
I think it's because it's beena rainy day.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We sure do need the rain.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, we do need rain .
I mean, we both you and I bothare a very small percentage in
this in the US.
We both live off of rainwateronly.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
That's right, and I have never had a truck come,
except for when we first builtthe tank.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Same, but we haven't had ours very long.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
So, I'm going on seven years now.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, I'm going on what?
Two months, three months,something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So I don't have much to go on, but careful there,
Steve.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
We got a runner.
The mic is making a run for it,all right.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Well, thanks for coming back, guys.
We are going to look at Johnchapter eight.
Today.
We have been doing fullchapters.
I believe we're going to goabout halfway though, for John
chapter eight to about chapter.
I mean verse 30.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So technically, I think we're going to start with
seven verse chapter seven, verse53.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Ah, yes, so I was going to ask you about that.
Do you want to do that section?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So it's interesting.
It says that the earliestmanuscripts do not include 753
through 811.
Right, and yet there are otherplaces that will point that out
and they don't include it.
So I'm curious why this one wasincluded and other spots are
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not.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
My only guess is that when the ESV was originally put
together, they did not havethat information.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
And you think that these notes were added?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
later versions?
Yeah, that's my guess, but Idon't know.
You know what?
This is one of those caseswhere I wish they had some easy
way to research stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I had an idea once if you could just type in a
question somewhere, maybe a typeLike a typewriter, a magic
typewriter.
Magic typewriter.
You type in a question and itgives you back an answer.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
That would be pretty cool, man Huh, I'm going to have
to Google that to see if thatexists.
That's a great idea, all right.
Well, let's get started.
Steve, this and that story thestory is actually a very famous
story.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I think it is.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
In fact, there are a lot of illustrations.
In fact, our pastor used thisillustration this last Sunday.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
This one.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
He referenced this story about Jesus drawing in the
sand.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I must have missed that.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You're probably sleeping when you get your age
and you sit in a pew, your headjust nods back.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
First service or second?
Maybe he didn't do it in thesecond.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Oh, it was first service.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I was serving in the first service.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
You know what I was doing during the first service
Falling asleep in the pew.
No, I was listening, all right.
Why don't you read this passage, which might or might not be an
original story?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
They went each to his own house.
Hold it.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Who what happened?
Let's talk about what justhappened.
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
He's talking about Pharisees.
I'm guessing this must be thedisciples they're talking about,
because we didn't finish it,but Jesus went to the Mount of
Olives.
To me that sounds like he wentto the Mount of Olives by
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himself, which means hisdisciples went home because
they're in Jerusalem.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You don't think the 12 went with him To Mount Olive.
Yeah, I don't know thescripture is ambiguous sometimes
about the word disciple,because the 12 are also
disciples, but they are the 12.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
They're also apostles .
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I think that word comes later, because all the
disciples here are apostles,because to be an apostle you
have to witness Christ.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
You have this look on your face like I thought there
were only the 12 apostles andyou're saying that everyone that
is a disciple of him here is anapostle.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I'm saying that to be an apostle, you had to witness
Christ on earth, and that's whyPaul calls him himself an
apostle and like what does hesay?
As one abnormally born becauseof the way in which Christ
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presented himself to him.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But that would mean there's still a lot more than
just the 12.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, but there might be okay, I don't know, steve
all the rules of apostle versusdisciple, but I know that you
have to have witnessed Christ tobe an apostle.
Alright, well, let's go on.
Yeah, why don't you?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
read now.
They each went to his own house, but Jesus went to the Mount of
Olives.
Early in the morning he cameagain to the temple.
All the people came to him andhe sat down and taught them.
The scribes and the Phariseesbrought a woman who had been
caught in adultery and placed inher in the midst.
They said to him Teacher, thiswoman has been caught in the act
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of adultery.
Now in the law, moses commandedus to stone such women.
So what do you say this?
They said detest him, that theymight have some charge to bring
against him.
Jesus bent down and wrote withhis finger on the ground.
And as they continued to askhim, he stood up and said to
them Let him who is without sinamong you be the first to throw
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a stone at her.
And once more he bent down andwrote on the ground.
But when they heard it, theywent away one by one, beginning
with the older ones, and Jesuswas left alone with the woman
standing before him.
Jesus stood up and said to herWoman where are they?
Does no one condemned you?
She said no one, lord.
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And Jesus said Neither do Icould condemn you.
Go and from now on send no more.
All right.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Thank you, Steve.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
You're welcome, Ken.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Oh man, this is.
It's a pretty cool story.
What one question I've alwayshad about this story is what did
he write on the ground?
No, um, because I think it'sevident that it meant something
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to the people who were notwithout sin around him.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Okay, then I'm going to guess it's why didn't they
bring the man that was caught inadultery?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Um, I'm not.
No, that's not my questioneither.
Here's my question, becausethey had different standards.
That's why, um, my question isthis do you think the woman had
just been caught?
Or did they know about thiswoman and said Jesus is here,
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let's bring her out?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I think it's irrelevant.
An elephant irrelevant.
No irrelevant, it's yourelephant.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Ken, and it's in the middle of the room.
Okay, you think it's irrelevant, it is irrelevant, but it
always makes me wonder.
Because they're just trying totrap it?
I guess God could have alsojust allowed this woman to be
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caught, because it's time forJesus to to say this
Everything's orchestrated.
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, I still think it's pretty unfair that they
want to stone the woman.
But who cares about the guy?
Hey, the guy, because it'sprobably one of them.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah could have been yeah, and I don't know what the
Jewish law was for the guy.
I'll bet it wasn't stoning.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I bet it is.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You think so.
The laws were very differentfor men and women.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
If only we had that magic.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, yeah, why don't you search for that?
Steve, while I say some stuff,don't type too fast.
Sometimes those keys get stuck.
Anyway, one thing that Inoticed and it's something I
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always notice, this, but Ialways forget it, I'm so quick
to forget but Jesus does notcondemn her before.
I mean, she has not said said,please forgive me, I am a sinner
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and I need, I'm repenting,right, she has not said these
things Correct.
And Jesus says first asked hasanyone condemned you?
And she says no, no one.
And she says he says neither doI condemn you.
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Then he says go and from now onsend no more.
If I were in Jesus's shoessandals I would likely say all
right, are you going to keepdoing this?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
You told me to look it up.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
No, no.
I'm telling you what Jesus,telling you what the Ken Jesus
would have said, I would havesaid to her are you going to
keep doing this?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And I got you.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Because if you are, then you know, be gone with you.
If you're not, okay, then Idon't condemn you.
But that is one of the cool andawesome things about Jesus is
the forgiveness of sin.
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While we are still sinners, wehave that forgiveness before.
All right, did you findsomething?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I found something, but it was a really long article
and it was going on and onabout the various punishments of
like burning or stripping, andthe husband could wave the
punishment because it was a sinagainst him.
But that's not biblical, it'slong.
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All right and I couldn't listento you and read at the same
time what is wrong with you.
I'm a man.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I cannot multitask.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And you know what, even though this is the regular
guy's Bible study, we shouldhave one of our, one of our
wives.
Hold it.
How do you say that?
Because we don't have multiple.
How do you say it?
One of our wives?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think you had it right.
The first no I think it's oneof our wives, one of your wife's
.
What?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
One of either your wife or my wife.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And like look stuff up for us and and could submit
to us, Well, what we do.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So you know I don't want to diss my wife too much
here but, she's not thattechnically savvy.
She would need the magictypewriter.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, I understand.
You know my wife would havemore questions than answers.
I'm sure, and I think we'relucky that our wife, neither one
of our wives is going to listento this.
That's right, so we're safe.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Oh gosh, I think if one of them were here, they'd be
talking a lot more than us.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, you're right about that, that would not work.
That would certainly not work.
All right, all right, any moreon that story.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
No, I think that's it for me.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
All right, you want to go on to the next story?
Then you want me to read thatsection.
Sure.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I'd love for you to read the next section.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Again, jesus spoke to them, saying I am the light of
the world.
Whoever follows me will notwalk in darkness but will have
the light of life.
So the Pharisee said to him youare bearing witness about
yourself.
Your testimony is not true.
Jesus answered even if I dobear witness about myself, my
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testimony is true, for I knowwhere I came from and where I am
going, but you do not knowwhere I come from or where I am
going.
You judge according to theflesh.
I judge no one.
Yet even if I do judge, myjudgment is true because I alone
who judge?
But I and the Father who sentme.
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In your law it is written thatthe testimony of two people is
true.
I am the one who bears witnessabout myself, and the Father who
sent me bears witness about me.
They said to him therefore,where is your Father?
Jesus answered you know neitherme nor my Father.
If you knew me, you would knowmy Father also.
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These words he spoke in thetreasury, as he taught in the
temple, but no one arrested himbecause his hour had not yet
come.
So he said to them againactually, why don't we stop
there?
That's a good spot to stop,even though it's not a little
title.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
All right, I have a question for you.
Yeah, go ahead.
If I asked you what a person'sbasic needs are, what would you
list?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Food okay, water okay , shelter okay, that's it.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So if you look it up, it's food, water, clothing,
shelter and sleep, but I thinkthey take for granted life.
I mean light, because withoutlight you go crazy.
You will eventually go mad ifyou're trapped in a pitch black
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box.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Why do you say that Blind people cannot see light?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Oh, that's a good point, but I think if you were
in a cave with no light, you gocrazy.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
There are stories of people being trapped in a cave.
For how long were those minersin a cave?
Like 40 days or something, withno light.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Did they go crazy?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Okay, I don't know the end result.
I know they were rescued.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Okay, I don't have a lot of basis for saying light is
one of the basic needs, but Ibring it up because you said
food, jesus is food.
You said water, jesus quenchesthirst.
You said shelter.
We haven't gotten there, butthere's a place for us in his
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father's house.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, and he also references as our stronghold,
which is shelter.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
And he is also the light of the world.
He provides light.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
But the light, see?
I don't buy this, steve.
The light is not a basicnecessity.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, now that you bring up blindness, I kind of
agree with you, but still itfeels good, okay, well you know
you have to have the sun.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
It does feel good.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Without the sun, we'd all be dead.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
That is true, both suns.
Which sun are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
The UN one.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Okay, yes, SUN.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Not the United Nations, but the SUN sun.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
The, yeah, the star in the sky.
Yep, All right.
When it talks about the lightof the world, it's really
referring to, about shedding,like it talks about shedding
light on the darkness so thatyou know all the evil can be
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seen.
So it brings evil out of thedarkness and into the light,
which it's really not aboutliving, it's just about exposing
.
It's about exposing evil.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So it's mid-October and I happened to watch a movie
yesterday where they were sayinggo into the light.
And then the parents screamedno, don't go into the light.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Were you watching um Poltergeist?
Okay, wow, that's an old movieit is.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
It was so 80s yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And the light was a trick Right.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Well, it's confusing because at one point she says
don't go into the light and atthe other point she says go into
the light.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
There's a Simpsons episode where they mocked that
or spoofed that and a similarthing happens.
I don't remember who is in theTV.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
But in any case I don't think we can take the
movie Poltergeist as a goodreference for the afterlife.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Well, that's really deep, that's Okay.
Oh man, what are we doing,steve?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Not very well.
Okay, all right.
What else?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
about this upper, this first section.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
So we were.
You mentioned this earlier,before we started.
But he says you judge accordingto the flesh.
I judge no one.
Yet even if I do judge, myjudgment is true, for it is not
I alone who judge, but I and theFather who sent me.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yes, and two chapters earlier, I think was it chapter
six.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Where does it say and six, he says, is flesh, is the
bread of life.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
He says that I judge.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I thought you'd be already with this, yeah you
would think so yeah.
I suppose you could edit thispodcast.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, I could, but that's a lot of work, it takes
time to do that.
Maybe it's in five.
Ah, in chapter five, verse 30,he says I can do nothing on my
own.
Okay, now this is interestingbecause, okay, he just said he
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doesn't judge anyone.
But if he did judge blah, blah,blah.
In chapter 5, verse 30, he saysI can do nothing on my own.
As I hear, I judge and myjudgment is just because I seek
not my own will but the will ofhim who sent me.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
So I guess I guess that's also a part where he's
talking about who's witnessing.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I know it's it's.
It's interesting how it relatesback to the witnessing about
himself again.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
But I think that other section was in Galilee and
now he's in Jerusalem.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yes, but and I was thinking that it was a little
controversial because he wassaying that he did judge and now
he's saying he doesn't judge.
But when I read back, when Iread that again, it's it's
really saying the father judgesand I'm just doing what he says.
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My, my judgment is really thefather's judgment.
Yep, so I think that is.
I don't think he'scontradicting himself at all.
So I was confused on that for alittle bit, but now I am not.
Now, what do you think aboutthis?
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Because he is.
You know, the Jews are sayingyou know, how can we trust you
are who you say you are RightBecause you're, you're bearing
witness about yourself.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
There's also like 300 prophecies that can be applied
to him.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Which they're not recognizing any of.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Also, john the Baptist had already testified in
in Jesus as who Jesus is.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And so now I can see how they would be blind to the
prophecies, because I mean noteverything's obvious.
Not everything's obvious, justlike today.
I mean, people want to saywe're in the last days, I don't
(24:52):
know.
Sometimes it looks like that,right, but who knows, if you
were, I guarantee you this, ifyou were in Germany and you were
a Jew in the 19 and around 1940, you thought Jesus.
And well, if you believed inJesus, you thought he might not
(25:15):
be.
You thought he might be comingback then because that was
horrible, right, that was talkabout in times material, yeah.
So you know there are horribletimes.
The times seem to be gettingworse in general, instead of
just an event.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
So yeah maybe it is.
The whole thing with Israel andGaza could get a lot worse
before it gets better.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yes, and if you hear this before Hamas attacks Israel
, then you know that's how theyhear it.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
It's not possible.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
That's what I'm trying to say.
It's not possible.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Okay, Ken, you are tired.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
No, I was trying to be funny, but I'm not.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Okay.
So I did see one other thing inhere.
These words he spoke in theTreasury as he taught in the
temple.
So previously it said he cameto again to the temple and sat
down and taught them.
Is the Treasury in the temple?
I?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
assumed it's another room.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It feels like he changed rooms, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, it does seem like that.
Maybe they asked him.
It's probably a little more ofa private room for the Pharisees
, some of the higher up, becausehe's not in the middle of the
temple talking with everybody.
(27:03):
Here he's talking.
I think he's talking just withthe Pharisees and the higher up
in the clergy of the Jewishtemple.
Could be All right.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
so oh, I just had a thought, yeah that's a first.
If they had caught the woman inadultery?
Yeah, they wouldn't be allowedto bring her into the temple,
would they?
She would be considered uncleanor whatever.
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I think the outer courts right.
Anybody could come to the outercourts of the temple, but they
it's my understanding there aredifferent layers of the temple
and the outer area.
Even Gentiles could come in,but then as you got further in
(28:04):
it was more, more rigorous, orWell, there's the final spot.
Only the high priest, only thehigh priest could go in, and he
could only go in if he had arope tied around him so they
could pull him out of.
God struck him dead.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yep, Okay, I have to ask why do you keep messing with
your phone, Ken?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I'm looking up stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Oh, okay.
Okay is that okay with you,steve Sure, I'll go ahead and
read the next section.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, why don't you do that you?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
play games on your phone, okay.
So he said to them again I amgoing away and you will seek me
and you will die in your sin.
Where I am going, you cannotcome.
So the Jews said will he killhimself?
Since he says where I am going,you cannot come?
He said to them you are frombelow, I am from above.
(28:54):
You are of this world, I am notof this world.
I told you that you would die inyour sins, for unless you
believe that I am he, you willdie in your sins.
So they said to him who are you?
Jesus said to them just whatI've been telling you from the
beginning.
I have much to say about youand much to judge.
But he who sent me is true andI declare to the world what I
(29:18):
have heard from him.
They did not understand that hehad been speaking to them about
the Father.
So Jesus said to them when youhave lifted up the Son of man,
then you will know that I am heand that I do nothing on my own
authority, but speak just as theFather taught me.
And he who sent me is with me.
He has not left me alone, for Ialways do the things that are
(29:40):
pleasing to him.
As he was saying these things,many believed in him.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
All right.
So while you're reading that,steve, I use the magic
typewriter, and this is what Ifound.
The Torah is unequivocal.
This is back to the very firstthing that we wrote.
The Torah is unequivocal If aman commits adultery with a
(30:10):
married woman oh, with a marriedwoman, see, I don't know what
that means.
Now, that's someone that'salready married.
Okay, the modern state of isthe both man and woman shall be
put to death.
So now I'm to do that.
(30:33):
Oh, that's See, now I'mconfused because I didn't
realize.
It said a married woman.
So what if she's not married?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Ah, she becomes his wife.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
No.
Adultery defined in Jewish lawas sexual relations between a
married woman and a man, not herhusband.
So the fact that it calls itadultery means she's a married
woman and it doesn't matter ifthe man's married or not.
(31:13):
That's what it sounds like.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
And the man could have sex with an unmarried woman
and everything's fine, I don'tknow about that.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I didn't look up that part.
This is talking about adultery.
Adultery according to theJewish law is when a married
woman has sexual relations witha man that's not her husband,
and the Jewish law would be thatboth the man and the woman
(31:45):
would be put to death, and theleaders here only brought the
woman.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Well, maybe the man was right.
No, even if he were single, itwould not matter.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Would not matter.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
All right.
So that tells you a littlesomething about those guys also,
doesn't it?
The Pharisees are broader, allright.
So what do you want to talkabout in this section, steve?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
So I only made one note in here, although I think
there's other stuff to talkabout.
When you have lifted up the Sonof man, then you will know that
I am he.
Do you think that these Jewsrealize that when they put him
on the cross, that he was theSon of God?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I think some did.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I don't think I can't be that many, though right,
Because they went on topersecute anyone that followed
it.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, but you know, like, even like Nicodemus it
talks about.
I mean, he says he's in withthese people occasionally.
In one of the previous chaptershe was there again.
I don't remember what he said,though you know the thing about
(33:19):
reading the Bible.
What I've noticed is you canread the same book 50 times and
something else stands out to youthat you never noticed before
and right now and there's thingsthat you've read, that you know
(33:39):
you read and you cannotremember what it said.
But Nicodemus wants to believein Jesus.
I believe he thinks there'ssomething special about Jesus,
but he also, you know, I don'tknow the Nicodemus's final state
(34:03):
of his belief, right, we're notprivy to that, that's maybe
we'll know someday.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Maybe Nicodemus is in the privy.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
What.
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (34:21):
You said we're not privy to it.
That made me think of a privyfrom the British.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I don't know what that is Bathroom.
I thought that was the Lou.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
They have lots of words for it.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
It's very important.
And Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
All right.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Do they have cues?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Oh, they love cues.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Also known as a line.
A cue is actually a better wordfor it, because Because you
don't use the letter Q veryoften.
No, because a line doesn'tdoesn't mean that it's just a
line of people.
It doesn't mean that like afirst in first out kind of thing
(35:10):
or a last in first out, you canalso have a cue that's a last
in first out.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
So that sounds like a line that has multiple
directions.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
But a line is, can just be a line.
It doesn't mean that anybody isbeing served.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
I don't think anyone wants to hear about this, ken.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Well, but does anybody want to hear anything we
have to say, Steve?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Well, that's a great question.
We'll find out after thisepisode.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
All right.
Oh my goodness, all right.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Is there anything else you wanted to point out?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I'll say this In this section when Jesus is talking,
he is very confusing and heseems like he seems
intentionally vague at times,and I mean, I think that's
(36:10):
intentionally, never, but he'slike just enough information so
that the Jews really, reallyhate him, you know.
So what do they say?
(36:34):
They say, oh, that's later.
I don't understand why theythink he's going to kill himself
just because he says where I'mgoing, you can't go.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I wonder if it's because he said and you will die
in your sin.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Or maybe because it's yeah where I'm going, you will
seek me and you will die in yoursin.
So the die in your sin isrelated to where he's going.
So yeah, maybe so.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
These are actually references to the Kasekele, I
think.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Oh, these are references, so he's speaking Old
Testament to them.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I don't know.
It's a little hard to tell here.
Oh, that's going back tochapter seven.
You will seek me and you willnot find me where I am.
You cannot come.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
So you know.
They do ask him plainly againwho are you?
And he says just what I've beentelling you from the beginning.
I have much to say about youand much to judge, but he who
sent me is true, and I declareto the world what I have heard
from him, so he doesn't repeatwhat he said, who he is, but he
(38:11):
just says I've already told you100 times I'm who I said I was
or am.
Yeah, it's very obvious, though, to us, isn't it that when the
Son of man is lifted up, it'svery obvious what that means
today.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
It is.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
But there was a.
There's a passage in I thinkit's Isaiah, that talks about
him being lifted up.
In the same way, right Evensays on a tree on a tree.
Yeah, so they have thewherewithal to be able to
(38:56):
understand this.
Do you think, though, thatmaybe God was hardening their
hearts, just like God hardenedPharaoh's heart?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Did God do it, or did they do it themselves?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, they might not have needed it.
It doesn't say that Godhardened their hearts, like it,
like it says that in is that inGenesis or no Exodus?
Yeah that's why it's calledExodus, because they're exiting.
Yeah, I'm pretty smart, yeah.
(39:34):
I was just wondering, though,if I mean it's divine so whether
God hardened his, their heartsor just managed to have the
right people in the room.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah we're already hardened.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, all right.
Well, but as he's saying thesethings, remember in the last
chapter I believe is the lastchapter many people like we're
going.
This is a tough message and alot of his disciples left Like
walked away, walked away, quitfollowing him.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
and not the 12, but many of us talking about eating
him, and that's right.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Eating the flesh, his flesh, and drinking his blood.
But after saying these things,many people believed in him.
So now he was in the Treasury,right, he's in the Treasury
talking here.
(40:32):
Is that true?
Still, yes, this is.
It indicates he's likely.
Has not moved.
There's nothing to say that nohe could have moved, because it
starts off after saying he spokein the Treasury.
He said so.
He said to them again thatdoesn't necessarily mean right
(40:58):
then is when he talked to them.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
He's probably still in the temple or near the temple
.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Right, yeah, I don't know.
So I'm just I was curious ifhe's still in the Treasury and
if we are assuming the Treasuryis a more centered spot in the
temple where fewer people areallowed, and it says many
(41:23):
believed in him, so these couldhave been some Jewish leaders.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Possibly, but we don't really know.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
We don't know, I'm speculating and I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
All right Do you have anything else, steve?
No, I think that's good, allright.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
It's the best we can do, best I can do.
I don't know about good, butsomething it's something.
So that was John eight onethrough 30 first half, so eight.
So next time we will be doingJohn eight thirty one through
fifty nine.
(42:02):
All right, that's all.
See you Bye.
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