November 3, 2025 • 34 mins
In this Halloween special, Zach and Patrick dive into two of the creepiest (and most fascinating) properties ever linked to real estate and pop culture: The Overlook Hotel from The Shining and the real-life Conjuring House in Rhode Island.
From Kubrick’s impossible architecture to an actual haunted farmhouse now up for foreclosure auction, we explore what makes these places so legendary and what they’d be worth in today’s market. Could you actually profit from a haunted property? Would you stay overnight in one?
We’ll break down the real locations behind the movies, how horror has become a tourism goldmine, and the wild economics of fear-driven real estate.
If you’ve ever wondered whether owning a haunted house is an investment or a curse, this episode is the perfect mix of chills, history, and housing market insight.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:36):
What's going on, everybody?
Welcome to season two of theRent Ish Podcast.
I'm Zach here with my co-hostPatrick.
SPEAKER_01 (00:42):
We're two rookies chasing the dream of real estate
investing.
In this podcast, we'll talkabout property management, wild
stories, and everything inbetween.
We don't know it all yet.
SPEAKER_03 (00:52):
But that's the point.
We're learning as we go, justlike you.
We'll bring in the experts toeducate and inform us, and we'll
figure it out together.
So let's laugh, learn, and diveinto real estate side by side.
Patrick, gotta give it up toyou.
You brought the energy.
It only took five takes to getthe intro right.
No one will ever know.
No one knows, except noweveryone knows.
Maybe one of these days we'llpay the producers to put like
(01:13):
bloopers at the end of thepodcast, but maybe then we won't
be able to get advertisers.
I was about to say, I don't wantto hear the bloopers.
Yeah, the bloopers could not ourfinest work of all time, but
that's why they're that's whythey're cut.
But how are you doing today?
How's your day going?
SPEAKER_01 (01:27):
It's it's good, it's okay.
It's alright.
It's not it's uh just keep justkeep whipping it down, keep
going down the ladder.
Uh I was talking earlier, but uhI'm I'm dog sitting today for my
uh next door neighbor, and thedog uh threw up on my my rug,
and last time I dog sat for thisdog threw up like five times in
my apartment on my rugs.
(01:48):
So uh yeah, I think I'm done dogsitting.
I don't think I'm made to be adog sitter.
SPEAKER_03 (01:53):
Are you what are you worried about because like dogs
getting sick is like kind of anormal thing sometimes.
I mean, dogs can get sick,they're just like humans.
Are you just are you sure thatyou're just like reevaluating
your idea as a pet owner in yourin your late 20s?
SPEAKER_01 (02:04):
I'm just like I don't I it's like I keep
breaking Poppy.
I don't I just like I keepbreaking your breaking the dog.
He was working fine when I gothim.
I start pet sitting and throwingup everything.
SPEAKER_03 (02:16):
His dog's broken.
No, it I I think that uh like mymy my dog comet, like when we
leave and leave him with likefriends or family.
I think they get anxious becausetheir routine is broken, they're
staying with someone that's notlike their main owner, so it's
like they get a little anxious.
It's like it's totally normal.
Yeah, right.
Um, you know, I'm just I don'twant to clean up dog vomit.
(02:36):
Like I empathize with well, youcould just leave the vomit there
until the owner comes home andtell him to clean it up.
SPEAKER_01 (02:43):
Welcome back.
Hope you had a nice trip.
Clean up your dog your dog gotsick in my living room.
SPEAKER_03 (02:48):
Go ahead and clean this, please.
Yeah, but um nothing liketalking like talking about dog
vomit in the first few minutesof a real estate podcast.
You can tell that we'reprofessionals here.
How are you?
SPEAKER_01 (02:59):
I keep not uh how are you?
SPEAKER_03 (03:00):
I'm good.
Been a bit of a hiatus since werecorded.
I've been out of town, you'vebeen out of town.
SPEAKER_01 (03:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (03:05):
But now we're back.
And apparently we're gonna getspooky up in this.
But uh apparently this episode'snot gonna go out in time for
Halloween.
SPEAKER_01 (03:15):
But it's uh Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER_03 (03:16):
You know, we're we're if we're we're nothing but
punctual.
You know what I mean?
It's like we're topical,punctual, right on time.
SPEAKER_01 (03:23):
But yeah, it's been a sec since we've done one of
these, so I am glad to be back.
It's uh it's riveting being herewith you in front of microphones
talking about real estate.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (03:33):
We're gonna get real riveting and it's gonna get real
informative today because yeah,it's the Halloween episode.
It's kind of like uh when TheSimpsons would do their
treehouse of horror.
This is our version of that.
Oh yeah.
The Rentish Gets Spooky, thespookish podcast.
Hauntish podcast.
Hauntish is better.
It's got a lot of fun.
Hauntish is better.
Well, we're gonna we're gonnatalk about a couple really fun
(03:54):
Halloween themed things todayand keep it real estate-centric,
focused.
But thank you for listening tothe show.
Obviously, if you've stuckaround, you know the d the drill
at this point.
But uh the Rentish is a funlittle podcast that we do where
we talk about real estate andproperty management and all the
different sort of aspects ofthat.
If you're enjoying it, great.
Give us a review, give us alike, give us a comment, send us
an email to questions at therentishpod.com, follow us on
(04:17):
socials at therentish pod, andtell a friend.
If you got a friend that's alandlord or someone that owns
properties, or maybe they'relike a tenant that's just into
real estate, or there's someonethat's studying real estate and
they're in college, tell themabout the show.
Say, like, you might enjoy thison your commute.
There's these two guys, Zach andPatrick, and sometimes they have
a third guy that's even funnierthan both of them called Musei.
SPEAKER_00 (04:39):
Speaking of which.
SPEAKER_03 (04:40):
Yeah, Musei's back on the mic if he can find the
unmute button.
SPEAKER_00 (04:44):
Yeah, I'm back on the mic.
Uh it's good to be back on themic.
Um, the mic is great.
SPEAKER_03 (04:52):
Mike is great.
All right, thanks for theinsight, producer Musei.
We might be calling on himmultiple times in this episode
to talk.
But yeah, thank you.
Follow the Rentish everywhere,and we're gonna get into it now
with the Halloween real estaterundown.
That is a mouthful.
We're gonna talk about theConjuring House uh going up for
auction on Halloween.
(05:12):
There's an article here fromRealtor.com.
Patrick, did you read thearticle?
SPEAKER_01 (05:15):
There's an article.
SPEAKER_03 (05:16):
There's an article.
Where?
SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
It was right there.
Oh, you didn't paste the link,you hyperlinked it.
Yeah, sorry, I missed that.
It says here.
Yeah, my bad.
SPEAKER_03 (05:25):
It was like a phantom.
You missed it.
It was like disappeared and wentinto the ether.
All right, so here's one for thespooky season.
The real life Rhode Islandfarmhouse that inspired the
conjuring movies is back in thespotlight.
Let's just say its next chapteris straight out of a horror
script.
We're talking haunted history,Hollywood fame, real estate
drama, and a Halloween twistthat couldn't be more fitting.
(05:47):
So let's break down what'shappening with one of America's
most infamous homes.
SPEAKER_01 (05:51):
Wait, I I have a question.
So is this the so I've seen theconjuring movie.
I actually really like it.
Okay.
The first one's really good.
The first one is good.
The other ones of like Kit andMiss.
Second was okay, and I don'tcare after that.
But um, is this the actual housethat the movie is based off of,
or is this the one that theyfilmed in?
I think that I don't think theyactually filmed in the house.
I could be wrong.
(06:11):
No, right.
It's part of the article.
So but so okay, so this is not Isee, okay.
I'm getting this confused withour uh real estate real or
whatever.
Yeah, real estate real.
This is not the real estate realsegment.
No.
Sorry, I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_03 (06:22):
So this is actually the conjuring segment.
Yeah, so it's like behind.
If I'm remembering correctly, Edand Lorraine Warren.
Those are the main characters,the conjuring movies, but
they're based on real lifepeople, Ed and Lorraine Warren,
who were like in paranormalinvestigators.
Yeah.
That was like their whole thing.
Um, and this house is the housethat they based the movie on,
(06:47):
but they didn't actually film inthis house and they didn't.
So this is the real life.
This is the real life.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Let's get a couple basics out ofthe movie.
Yeah, sorry.
I'm located in Harrisville,Rhode Island, which never heard
of.
I've actually never even been toRhode Island, so barely missed
it.
SPEAKER_01 (07:03):
I was just in Connecticut, New Hampshire, and
Vermont and Massachusetts, andbut you missed going to Rhode
Island.
Like, I it's not like, ohwhoops, we we missed it.
It's like we intentionallydidn't go.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (07:15):
Well, the Conjuring House is 8.5 acres,
three-bedroom farmhouse, and hasa foreclosure auction set for 11
a.m.
on October 31st, which they knewwhat they were doing.
They were like Well, I thoughtit was a coincidence.
I know they're like, it just sohappens.
But it also are the odds.
It would be funny if it was acoin coincidence where it's like
maybe due to like some likelaws, it was like that the last
(07:38):
day of the month would make themost sense to do the foreclosure
auction, and it just happens tobe October 31st, Halloween.
Um, but yeah, the auction isgonna be handled by Justin
Manning.
Uh, no relation to the Peyton orEli family of JJ Manning
auctioneers.
Manning joked about showing updress as Count Dracula, but said
he'd keep it professional.
SPEAKER_01 (07:57):
Dude, okay, you're selling the terrible the
conjuring house on Halloween.
You're talking about keeping itprofessional.
That's where you draw the lineis Dracula.
SPEAKER_03 (08:06):
I agree with you.
But if you're gonna make acomment about it, don't use
Dracul Dracula?
That's fair.
Dracula's been around forever.
Like that that's terriblecomparison.
You say you dressed up likeAnnabelle or something like
that.
That's better, that's better.
Or like the Babaduke orsomething more something more
common than Dracula, which islike an old, it's like a fairy
tale almost.
SPEAKER_01 (08:26):
It's like I'm more like the per keep it
professional part.
It's like that boat sailed thesecond you decided to make this,
you know.
Like lean into it, man.
SPEAKER_02 (08:34):
I want to increase your mortgage.
SPEAKER_01 (08:38):
Or I mean I guess with Dracula's kind of related
to real estate, though.
SPEAKER_03 (08:41):
How is it?
Oh, because because he uh he hasthe like the can like the the
castle and Dracula.
SPEAKER_01 (08:46):
Yeah, the one guy who's coming, it's like a real
estate broker guy who's like hewants to buy property.
That's true.
That's a good point.
So I yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (08:53):
Huh.
Maybe we should uh maybe weshould think about doing that
for next Halloween, is like thelike the Dracula castle and how
he goes moves to the UnitedStates, Voyage of the Great
Demeter, whatever it's called,comes to the United States, gets
that property.
Sure, we can do that.
Raises hell on earth.
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
No problem.
Lock it in.
Does Dracula have a countingproblem?
SPEAKER_03 (09:14):
Oh my god.
Say the punchline.
SPEAKER_00 (09:17):
No, no, does he?
Because doesn't Dracula have ahard time counting?
SPEAKER_01 (09:22):
No, yes.
What do you want me to say?
SPEAKER_00 (09:24):
Is that like a thing though?
SPEAKER_01 (09:25):
Count Dracula.
SPEAKER_03 (09:26):
You're talking are you hold on a second.
Are you talking?
Are you talking about the countfrom from Sesame Street?
Yes.
But that's not the same Dracula.
Not the same Dracula.
The Dracula is not in any way,shape, or he's a there he's a
vampire.
Right.
But the count from Sesame Streetis not Dracula.
(09:50):
I mean it's like based off ofit.
But I love that you had thatlinked in your brain that it's.
SPEAKER_00 (09:54):
Because then I'll be like, I don't want to count
Dracula selling me a home if youcan't really can't count.
SPEAKER_03 (09:59):
So it's like, well, it's like, hold on.
It's like zillo dra ZillowDracula, where it's like, how
many bedrooms?
SPEAKER_00 (10:06):
One bedroom.
SPEAKER_03 (10:08):
Two bedrooms.
SPEAKER_00 (10:11):
Exactly.
That's pretty funny.
SPEAKER_03 (10:13):
Wow, I didn't know that.
That's great.
I'm glad we got that on therecord.
We say his childhood.
This whole time.
SPEAKER_00 (10:18):
Let me go back.
I thought that was a form, likea variant of another Dracula.
SPEAKER_03 (10:22):
Nope.
He's a vampire is the form.
Dracula is a vampire.
The Count is a vampire, butthey're not both Dracula.
Count Vunt.
Yeah.
Is that his name?
Count Von Count, yeah.
Get that crazy.
That's hilarious.
Count Von Count?
Sweet name.
That's pretty genius.
Alright, well, back to we got wegot down the wrong road there.
(10:45):
Uh, The Haunted History.
Ready for this?
Yeah.
Originally owned by the Perrinfamily, who moved in 1971, they
reported numerous paranormalencounters, some benign, others
mean-spirited.
Daughter Andrea Perrin wroteabout it in her 2011 book, House
of Darkness, House of Light.
Ed and Lorraine Warren, who wementioned earlier, were the
real-life paranormalinvestigators from the conjuring
(11:07):
movies.
They were called in, andfamously, during a seance,
reportedly, Andrea's mom uhspoke in another language and
was thrown across the room.
Uh the family stayed until 1980,then moved out after a decade of
alleged hauntings.
Patrick, I got a very importantquestion for you.
Yeah.
Do you believe in ghosts?
SPEAKER_01 (11:27):
I I I don't.
Okay.
I want to.
Like, I think it'd be awesome tobelieve in ghosts, but I don't.
Okay.
What about you?
So haunting, spirits, the theghosts, the ghosts.
I love I love possessions.
Spooky stuff.
I love, I love the idea of it.
Like, I just like I like spookystuff.
Yeah.
I I I can't trick my brain tobelieve that they're actually
(11:48):
they actually exist.
Sure.
Yeah, I don't know.
That's just what what about you?
SPEAKER_03 (11:51):
Well, it's a cool fantasy.
It's a cool story.
I do love the idea of like, youknow, ghosts and hauntings and
stuff.
I think that is very cool.
But my opinion in this modernworld that we live in, everyone
has a cell phone.
We'd have way more conclusiveevidence of there being ghosts
if there were actually ghosts.
Right.
So that's just my take.
Feel free to email questions atthe Rentish Pod if you'd like to
tell us if you believe.
(12:14):
And we'll turn the next episodeinto ghost cast.
Ooh.
Ghost cast.
SPEAKER_01 (12:20):
Rebranding.
We're paranormal investigatorsourselves now moving forward.
SPEAKER_03 (12:23):
Yeah, so uh keep it, keep it, keep it going from real
life to Hollywood.
So their story inspired the 2013movie The Conjuring uh launched
a nine movie franchise,including Last Rights.
Uh the Annabelle stuff kind ofwas a spin-off from that.
The Curse of La Yarona was alsouh a spin-off of that.
Uh and the real home becameknown as the Conjuring House and
a tourist hotspot for paranormalfans.
(12:45):
But there's been some recentownership drama.
In 2019, Corey and JenniferHennison bought it for$439,000
and turned it into a paranormalevent space, which is
hysterical.
That's actually a good idea.
That would sell.
Yeah, entice the tourists.
That's that's a smart buy.
$439,000 for a haunted house,though.
(13:05):
Would you would you spend thatmuch money on a haunted house?
SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
I think, I think with especially that haunted
house being so famous justbecause of the movie.
Okay.
Like that, I think that's agreat investment opportunity.
Like I think the passive incomethere is is would pay for itself
pretty quickly.
SPEAKER_03 (13:20):
So let's say it's not the conjuring house.
You go to Zillow, you go to seea Zillow house and it's haunted.
Yeah, okay.
It's actually like it seems likeit's haunted.
The guy that's selling is likewe've had a lot of history of
paranormal stuff.
The walls move and the uh theyhear voices coming from behind
the fridge.
Do you would you buy the house?
You what you would you wouldn'tbe scared off by that.
SPEAKER_01 (13:42):
I uh again, I I don't know that I believe in
ghosts.
I actually I know that I don't.
Um so I don't think I I'd bescared, I'd be more weirded out
by the like realtor.
Like I'm like, why are you whyyou're going deep into this
character, man?
SPEAKER_02 (13:55):
Like before you come in for this tour, we must recite
this incantation before anyonewho pulls out like a big book or
another.
SPEAKER_01 (14:01):
I probably yeah, I'd probably head head out though,
just because of the realtor.
Yeah, but I'm gonna be out.
SPEAKER_03 (14:06):
Good luck selling the place.
Bye.
Get in the car.
In 2022, the Conjuring Housesold to Jacqueline Nunez for 1.5
million.
SPEAKER_01 (14:15):
So in three years on appreciation, let's say alone,
they it tripled its price.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (14:22):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (14:22):
They good for you, Corey and Jennifer Hent.
SPEAKER_03 (14:25):
Yeah, they bought themselves a good lottery ticket
there.
Yeah.
Um, but soon after the 1.5million sale controversy hit, a
staff member was fired.
She claimed the spirit of aformer owner told her he was
stealing accusations from staffof mistreatment, and there was a
town council that refused torenew their entertainment
license in 2024 due to communitytensions.
SPEAKER_01 (14:47):
So I believe the the staff mistreatment and the
failure to renew your license.
Not sure I believe those seemvery like, yeah, I I buy that.
You failed to renew yourlicense, it's like, ah, the
place was haunted.
SPEAKER_03 (15:01):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (15:02):
I don't know.
The ghost ate my license.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (15:07):
Uh, but yeah, Nunez later defaulted on her mortgage
leading to the year'sforeclosure auction.
So um yeah, it might have been ait might have been a lucrative
purchase for$1.5 million, butdue to all the controversy, due
to the issues, the thedefaulting on the mortgage, it's
uh now going into foreclosure.
So we're we're not sure what'sgonna happen there, but um,
we're gonna get to potentialbuyers here.
SPEAKER_01 (15:28):
Well, I mean, here it does say the Halloween date
wasn't planned for marketing.
If it's a legal timeline.
SPEAKER_03 (15:35):
So they say I say I still think it's a way to drum
up uh drum up some extra hype.
SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
Maybe it was happening in the fall, and
they're like, well, I mean, ifit's happening in the fall, you
know.
SPEAKER_03 (15:46):
Also, can we shout out to the calendar?
I want to give a shout out tothe calendar.
Uh there's a new segment on thepodcast where you talk about
things we want to.
Well, just no shout outs.
We want to give shout outs tothings.
I'm giving a shout-out to thecalendar.
Okay.
Big ups to the calendar forHalloween being on a Friday this
year.
I feel like the last few yearswe've gotten screwed, and
Halloween's been like a Thursdayor a Tuesday or whatever.
(16:08):
But Halloween being on a Friday,love it.
That's nice.
Perfect.
Yes.
You get to close the book onwork on Friday, put your spooky
costume on, go out to the bar,have a few drinks.
So it's fun.
Good point.
Yeah.
Are you not a Halloween guy?
You don't seem very excitedabout that.
SPEAKER_01 (16:24):
I like Halloween.
No, I mean, like, yeah, I I feellike I mean, even if Halloween
wasn't on a Friday, like, it'sstill like I'd be doing
something on a Friday anyways.
Like, I I I'm going to themosque.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (16:36):
But it's even it's cooler knowing that the day is
on the day.
It's like it's Halloween is theday, so it's cool that
everyone's celebrating it at thesame time and it's on a Friday.
SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
So here's my I mean, this is probably doesn't need to
be said, but I I don't loveHalloween parties.
I love like watching like justspooky movies.
That's my favorite Halloweenthing to do.
Right.
And I I feel like I can do thatany day of the week.
Um, so I feel like Halloweenbeing on a Friday for me, even
is like I have like more peerpressure to like go.
It's like it's actuallyHalloween this year to go, you
(17:08):
know, to a Halloween party orsomething.
Okay.
I'm not a big like party person,but I love the Halloween season
and vibe over any other holidayfor sure.
SPEAKER_03 (17:15):
Yeah.
All right.
So then potential buyers.
Let's talk about this reallyquickly and then we'll wrap up
this article.
Because this has been a gooddiscussion.
We've already and we've gone wayover on time.
Whoops.
Uh, comedian Matt Reif, who uhthe producers mentioned earlier.
I was I'm not familiar with thisguy, and YouTuber Elton
Castille, who are both intoparanormal content, have shown
interest in the house.
(17:35):
Do you know who these peopleare?
I know Matt Reif.
SPEAKER_01 (17:38):
I don't know Elton Castille.
Castie.
SPEAKER_03 (17:41):
Got it.
But yeah, earlier this year theybought Ed and Lorraine Warren's
old Connecticut home along withthe museum and the Annabelle
doll.
So these these comedians andYouTubers have already started
like acquiring propertiesassociated with the Warrens.
So um yeah, interesting thatthey're going after the
Connecticut home.
What I'm curious to know is howmuch it's the foreclosures, like
what it's gonna sell for now.
(18:02):
Like that's gonna be really aninteresting amount to see.
But yeah, Rife, when asked aboutit, called it, quote, the most
important piece of paranormalhistory in the world, end quote.
Whoa.
Which is uh high praise.
Yeah.
High praise.
They've expressed wanting topreserve the conjuring house and
possibly open it for tours andovernight stays.
Would you stay overnight in theconjuring house?
SPEAKER_01 (18:22):
Yeah, I think it'd be cool.
Like, I yeah, I mean, I at thispoint I think it's kind of like
it is tourist trappy, but Ithink it's cool.
Like the fact that it actuallyhas a history, you know, is is
pretty sweet.
Yeah, so could be cool.
SPEAKER_03 (18:33):
I'm reminded of the ghost house sketch from I think
you should leave.
Uh, but yeah, in closing, theauctions outcome can go one of
two ways.
An investor could flip it orbuild on the land, or paranormal
enthusiasts are gonna keep italive with a spooky destination.
So, either way, the story, thereputation, it's going to live
on in some way, shape, or form.
We're just gonna have to see anddocument on the renti pod.
(18:56):
So stick with us if you want tohear what happens.
SPEAKER_01 (18:59):
Would you, if you were in the area, do you think
(19:23):
you'd check it out?
SPEAKER_03 (19:24):
Not really.
I I don't I don't have enough ofa fandom to the conjuring
movies, and I don't really careabout staying in a spooky house.
So no, probably not.
Maybe I'll drive by it.
Be like, look, there it goes.
And keep driving.
And then go see whatever else isinteresting in Rhode Island.
Yeah.
Seafood, I'm sure.
Rhode Island's got some goodseafood.
(19:45):
I'm sure.
It's by the sea.
It's not an island, though.
It's by the sea.
Okay, cool.
That's it for that.
And that is the Halloween realestate rundown.
SPEAKER_01 (19:57):
Well, uh, we'll keep things rolling because we
actually have Real Estate Realcoming next where we're talking
about another spooky location.
Uh, the Overlook Hotel.
Thank you.
For the sound effects.
That was really good.
SPEAKER_03 (20:10):
I'm gonna do like various Halloween sounding
effects while you read this.
Ready?
SPEAKER_01 (20:19):
That's supposed to be a wolf.
I don't know what that was.
It was like half wolf, half owl.
Um but yeah, we're doing theoverlook hotel from the shining
in this segment.
Just by the way, for newerlisteners, real estate real, we
dive into iconic properties fromTV and film and explore their
real-world locations, values,and quirks.
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Um, so the Overlook Hotel inStanley Kubrick's adaptation of
The Shining.
Oh, yeah.
Uh, one of the most chillingcinematic locations ever put to
film.
In my opinion.
I don't know.
Oh, yeah.
You I know you love The Shining.
SPEAKER_03 (20:54):
Yeah, I I didn't know if you wanted to read more
of the intro before we get intoour thoughts.
Yeah, you just let me know whenyou want me to start ripping,
because I'll rip.
SPEAKER_01 (21:02):
So, with its grand yet unsettling architecture, uh,
the snowbound isolation and thereputation as a place where
reality unravels, the OverlookHotel isn't just a backdrop,
it's practically a character inand of itself.
Today we're gonna answer if theOverlook was based on a real
hotel, what it would cost tostay in or even own the
property, could it function as aviable resort in real life?
(21:24):
Um, and how has it influencedreal world hospitality and pop
culture?
Sound good?
Sounds great.
Cool.
So just some background in thestory: the Overlook Hotel sits
high in the Colorado Rockies,hours away from civilization,
where winter's cut off accesscompletely.
So it's isolated, it becomesthat isolation becomes central
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to the story in the shining,basically trapping this family
in in this hotel, and it becomeslike a psychological horror.
So as far as the shining goes,one of your favorites?
SPEAKER_03 (21:54):
One of my top favorite movies of all time.
It's in my letterbox four forpeople that know what that
means.
Social media letterbox, you pickyour four favorites, it's on
there.
So if I was ever famous enough,if the Rentish was ever at a red
carpet premiere of something,this old house, the movie, or
something like that.
And Patrick and I were on thered carpet and they walked up to
and they interviewed us, and itwas like, oh, it's letterboxed.
(22:16):
We love letterboxed.
It's like four favorites withPatrick Guerrero.
And it's like, here we go.
So mine will one of them wouldbe The Shining.
I got sidetracked.
I was fantasizing about us beingon a red carpet.
That's my dream.
SPEAKER_02 (22:29):
Seriously.
SPEAKER_03 (22:31):
Anyways, uh Yeah, I love the movie.
I I I've I've read the theStephen King novel a long time
ago.
But yeah, it's really cool.
Tried watching the TV series,not very good, but it's
interesting.
The the sequel that they did, Inever read the book, but the the
movie Doctor Sleep is alsoreally, really good as well.
Uh, it's a recommend for me.
Kind of flew under the radar.
(22:51):
But yeah, the original Shining,Jack Nicholson, Stanley Kubrick,
Shelly Duval, that movie'smagic.
It's a comfort movie for me,which is awesome.
Well, you gave me an eye crook.
Comfort.
I mean, I I I see what you'resaying, though, in a way.
Well, it's like, so like, Idon't know why.
I mean, it's a it's a horrormovie, it's definitely spooky,
but for whatever reason, thatmovie's one of those, like, I'm
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just gonna throw it on because Ijust enjoy the vibe and the the
score, the the the the setdesign of the overlook.
It just looks so good, and JackNicholson's performance is so
awesome.
And I love the mystery, I lovethe the eeriness of the movie.
So it's just like it's one ofthose weird movies.
Like it is a horror movie, butfor me it's like kind of like a
(23:32):
comfort movie.
SPEAKER_01 (23:33):
I I I need to re-watch it soon.
I do have a red rum uh coffeemug.
Nice.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (23:37):
So Red Rum, Red Rum, Red Rum, Red Rum.
SPEAKER_01 (23:40):
I love Danny.
SPEAKER_03 (23:42):
Danny! What have you done with Danny?
SPEAKER_01 (23:45):
It's my shit.
But uh touch the kid, okay?
Anyways, so in real life, theexterior shots in the movie were
filmed at the Timberline Lodgein Oregon, located in Mount
Hood.
SPEAKER_03 (24:02):
One of my one of my goals is that I've never
actually traveled to the PacificNorthwest, and one of my
favorite TV shows of all time isTwin Peaks.
And you can also visit the theGreat Northern and in Twin
Peaks.
Like the filming location forthat is in Oregon as well.
And I would love to go to MountHood and see the Timberline
Lodge as well.
So one of these days I'm gonnacheck both those off the box.
SPEAKER_01 (24:23):
Let us know when you do.
We'll do a recap on the parttwo.
But yeah, the interior is not areal hotel of the Timberline
Lodge.
Did you know that?
Yep.
Okay.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
I mean, I would have assumedthat it it was, but yeah,
Kubrick built massive sets inLondon's uh L Street studios
designed to feel both luxuriousand eerily confusing with
corridors, impossible windows,and a disorienting layout, which
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also makes sense uh given giventhe movie.
So Stephen King's inspiration,however, came from a stay at the
Stanley Hotel in uh Estes Park,Colorado, an early 1900s resort
with its own reputation forbeing haunted.
So it does have an actualinspiration.
And I've stayed there.
Oh, what?
You have?
SPEAKER_03 (25:04):
Yeah, so it the Stanley Hotel in it's Estes
Park, Colorado.
But yeah, it's in the RockyMountains.
I had family growing up inColorado.
So I went out there a lot as akid.
Uh a few years ago, actually,2022, I think it was, I was
helping a friend move fromCleveland, Ohio to California.
And on the way there, one of thestops we stayed at was at the
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Stanley Hotel, and we ended upstaying the night there.
And went to their their the Ithink it's called the Golden
Room or something, is their bar.
I mean, the inside of the placeis is gorgeous, and the grounds
for the Stanley is beautiful.
It's a beautiful hotel.
It's very old, but it's likekind of like a rustic, cool kind
of old.
Like it's not like outdated.
It's very much like you wouldimagine that like very
(25:48):
important, powerful people wouldstay there like back in the day.
But it's a cool, it's a coolspot.
But but yeah, they have allsorts of art and memorabilia
around the walls because of theStephen King connection.
And if my memory serves meright, the TV adaptation of The
Shining was filmed there, orcertain scenes were filmed
there.
So they did do some connectionto it, but again, the the TV
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version of The Shining is nobueno.
SPEAKER_01 (26:13):
Gotcha.
Well, yeah, I mean, to yourpoint, the Stanley Hotel today,
it does lean into the spookyfame, offering like the the uh
ghost tours and themed eventsand whatnot.
As far as the isolated luxury,the the remote mountain resorts
face high operating costs due tothe weather, heating, and
maintenance.
So that even though that the thehotel would have a bunch of
(26:34):
income coming from the touristystuff, it it's hard to make
profitability because of thoseexpenses.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (26:41):
So I mean I mean it's a it's a it's a very stark
place to have like I mean likemountain lodges are are
fascinating to me because yeah,it's like the whole purpose of
the Shining Movie, the way thatthe movie starts is that they
have Jack Torrance be thecaretaker of the lodge.
So they have to hire someonethat's like willing to shut
themselves in to this lodge thatis basically unaccessible during
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the harsh winter months.
So it's like I couldn't do that.
I couldn't do that at all.
I I definitely couldn't goisolation for for months in the
winter in a big spooky lodge.
Like I would lose my I wouldlose my mind.
Yeah.
So no wonder why he's like, allwork and no play makes Jack a
doll boy.
SPEAKER_01 (27:22):
Yeah.
Another fun fact here, theTimberline Lodge was so worried
about horror associations thatthey made Kubrick not use room
217.
Yeah.
Um, which is a real room, so wehad to switch it to 237, which
was not a real room at thelodge.
SPEAKER_03 (27:34):
It's funny, I wonder where that number came from.
Like, I would love to uh, youknow, like where the 237 came
from, like why that was thepick.
Like maybe it was the first roomthat wasn't numbered in the
original Timberline Lodge, butyeah, I don't know.
Cool.
Now that number is iconic 237.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No one try and hack me, please.
But I definitely use that numberfor like passwords and stuff
when I was like younger, like onemail.
(27:56):
Yeah, yeah, my login would belike blah blah blah blah blah
two three seven.
SPEAKER_01 (28:00):
Oh yeah, moving moving on.
So, as far as in in the movie,like the overlook is portrayed
as a sprawling luxury hotel witha law, a grand lobby, a
cavernous ballroom, that's agood word, uh, endless hallways,
a hedge maze, and dozens ofguest rooms.
In real life, the TimberlineLodge is is large, but nowhere
near the size of the Overlook,or no, it doesn't have that
(28:22):
labyrinth aspect either.
Uh the interiors were obviouslyexaggerated to create unease,
um, as we talked about with thewith the sets.
Also, the hedge maze neveractually existed.
It was purely Kubrick'sinvention uh to heighten
tension, which which also makessense.
Yeah.
Okay, so as far as the rentcosts and affordability, take a
guess as to how much a lodgelike that, like the overlook,
(28:45):
would take would would cost pernight.
SPEAKER_03 (28:47):
Like for a room for a standard room for a night.
Well, I can tell you how much Ipaid to stay in the Stanley.
I mean I use that as like aguess, like an estimation.
I think it was like$500 for onenight, four or five hundred
dollars.
We split it four ways.
So like that was fine for agroup of four people or
whatever, but yeah, like$500 forthe week.
So the Timberline Lodge, Oregon,uh$800,$700.
SPEAKER_01 (29:14):
So yeah, so the Stanley is like$400 to$1,200 for
a hotel like that, like a reallife hotel.
Yeah.
Um, in like isolated in themountains.
Now for a property with theoverlooks grandeur and
isolation, that would be closerto$1,500 to$3,000.
Like if you were going to likethe actual, like how it looks in
the movie, sort of thing.
Okay.
As far as building a remoteluxury resort today, that could
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exceed$200 million factoring inconstruction, access roads,
which is something to considerin this kind of property that
you wouldn't have to considerwith other kinds of properties.
Yep.
Um, and also just year-roundmaintenance, you know, all the
way out there in isolation.
So the annual upkeep would beenormous with the heating, the
snow removal, the staffaccommodations.
(29:58):
That alone could run millions ofdollars per year.
SPEAKER_03 (30:01):
So I I believe it, judging by the state of my
electricity and gas bill thelast few months.
Woof.
It's about to get real bad inthe winter, too.
So yeah.
I'm just gonna I'm gonna goVictorian this this this winter
and just like bundle up and youknow, make a little fire in my
(30:21):
house to avoid paying DukeEnergy more money.
SPEAKER_01 (30:24):
I feel like I've barely, it's been like fall.
I feel like I've barely beenusing my heating and AC.
What temperature do you set yourheat to turn on to?
Um, I like between 70 and 72 istypically what I do.
SPEAKER_03 (30:36):
That's what you haven't set to?
unknown (30:38):
You're cooking.
SPEAKER_01 (30:40):
Dude.
Dude, my I I walk in sometimesand my girlfriend is there with
it's 74, and I'm like, why am Isweating right now?
And I have to bring it back downand she gets cold.
So we have to find a middleground.
All right, producer musse.
What?
What do you set your house to?
SPEAKER_00 (30:56):
Um now it's at 63.
Okay.
Um you guys are freezing.
No, but my the home we haveright now, it's it's it gets
cold really fast inside, butwhen it's the heat, when it's
like during the summer, Iusually try to have it at like
68.
SPEAKER_03 (31:14):
But so we finally caved and turned the I wait
until the last possibleopportunity to turn the heat or
the air on in my house.
The other night we finally hadtemperatures in the evenings
that dip below 40.
And uh right now we have thehouse set to 53.
SPEAKER_01 (31:30):
Jeez.
SPEAKER_03 (31:30):
And I'll keep that set as long as possible.
SPEAKER_01 (31:33):
That is crazy to me.
SPEAKER_03 (31:34):
Just put on a hoodie.
SPEAKER_01 (31:36):
Alright, I think that's I think we need to wrap
this up.
We gotta we gotta land thisplane.
Yeah, there's there's theOverlook Hotel is more than just
a fictional setting.
It's a case study in how space,architecture, and isolation can
shape storytelling.
From its real-world inspirationslike Timberline Lodge and the
Stanley Hotel, to itsexaggerated cinematic design,
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the Overlook blurs the linebetween fantasy and reality.
Uh, while most of us wouldn'twant to get snowed in at a
haunted resort with ghosts andmadness lurking in the halls,
it's fascinating to decode thereal estate and hospitality
layers behind the horror.
Like the villas in White Lotusor Jerry's apartment in
Seinfeld, the Overlook invitesus to imagine what it would be
like to actually stay there.
Only this time the dream comeswith a nightmare.
SPEAKER_03 (32:20):
What a spooky, spooky man you are.
Great job.
And that's another episode ofthe Rentish Pod in the books.
Thank you all for listening tothe show.
We appreciate you very, verymuch for sticking around and
hanging with us while we talkabout the overlook and we talked
about the conjuring house.
It's been a very spookyHalloween, would you agree,
(32:41):
Patrick?
Scared shitless.
We're gonna have to censor thatnow.
Remember, follow the pod at therentish pod on social media.
Email questions at therentishpod.com if you have a
question or a topic suggestion,or if you had a famous property
that you want us to talk about,or a real estate real
suggestion, we love hearingthose.
(33:01):
So email the pod.
We'd love to hear from you guys.
And then uh yeah, give us arating, give us a review, a
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and that you think that theyshould listen.
So until the next time, booscary to you.
I hope you have a happyHalloween.
(33:22):
I've been Zach.
That's been Patrick, and we'llsee you next time.
The Rentish Podcast is recordedin Cincinnati, Ohio, hosted by
Patrick Giro and me, ZachRotello.
Produced by Mousse Gebermescaland Charlene Mulchendani.
Edited by Elliot Mongenis.
Theme song by me, Zach Rotello.
What's going on, everybody?
Welcome to season two of theRent Ish Podcast.
I'm Zach here with my co-hostPatrick.
SPEAKER_01 (00:42):
We're two rookies chasing the dream of real estate
investing.
In this podcast, we'll talkabout property management, wild
stories, and everything inbetween.
We don't know it all yet.
SPEAKER_03 (00:52):
But that's the point.
We're learning as we go, justlike you.
We'll bring in the experts toeducate and inform us, and we'll
figure it out together.
So let's laugh, learn, and diveinto real estate side by side.
Patrick, gotta give it up toyou.
You brought the energy.
It only took five takes to getthe intro right.
No one will ever know.
No one knows, except noweveryone knows.
Maybe one of these days we'llpay the producers to put like
(01:13):
bloopers at the end of thepodcast, but maybe then we won't
be able to get advertisers.
I was about to say, I don't wantto hear the bloopers.
Yeah, the bloopers could not ourfinest work of all time, but
that's why they're that's whythey're cut.
But how are you doing today?
How's your day going?
SPEAKER_01 (01:27):
It's it's good, it's okay.
It's alright.
It's not it's uh just keep justkeep whipping it down, keep
going down the ladder.
Uh I was talking earlier, but uhI'm I'm dog sitting today for my
uh next door neighbor, and thedog uh threw up on my my rug,
and last time I dog sat for thisdog threw up like five times in
my apartment on my rugs.
(01:48):
So uh yeah, I think I'm done dogsitting.
I don't think I'm made to be adog sitter.
SPEAKER_03 (01:53):
Are you what are you worried about because like dogs
getting sick is like kind of anormal thing sometimes.
I mean, dogs can get sick,they're just like humans.
Are you just are you sure thatyou're just like reevaluating
your idea as a pet owner in yourin your late 20s?
SPEAKER_01 (02:04):
I'm just like I don't I it's like I keep
breaking Poppy.
I don't I just like I keepbreaking your breaking the dog.
He was working fine when I gothim.
I start pet sitting and throwingup everything.
SPEAKER_03 (02:16):
His dog's broken.
No, it I I think that uh like mymy my dog comet, like when we
leave and leave him with likefriends or family.
I think they get anxious becausetheir routine is broken, they're
staying with someone that's notlike their main owner, so it's
like they get a little anxious.
It's like it's totally normal.
Yeah, right.
Um, you know, I'm just I don'twant to clean up dog vomit.
(02:36):
Like I empathize with well, youcould just leave the vomit there
until the owner comes home andtell him to clean it up.
SPEAKER_01 (02:43):
Welcome back.
Hope you had a nice trip.
Clean up your dog your dog gotsick in my living room.
SPEAKER_03 (02:48):
Go ahead and clean this, please.
Yeah, but um nothing liketalking like talking about dog
vomit in the first few minutesof a real estate podcast.
You can tell that we'reprofessionals here.
How are you?
SPEAKER_01 (02:59):
I keep not uh how are you?
SPEAKER_03 (03:00):
I'm good.
Been a bit of a hiatus since werecorded.
I've been out of town, you'vebeen out of town.
SPEAKER_01 (03:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (03:05):
But now we're back.
And apparently we're gonna getspooky up in this.
But uh apparently this episode'snot gonna go out in time for
Halloween.
SPEAKER_01 (03:15):
But it's uh Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER_03 (03:16):
You know, we're we're if we're we're nothing but
punctual.
You know what I mean?
It's like we're topical,punctual, right on time.
SPEAKER_01 (03:23):
But yeah, it's been a sec since we've done one of
these, so I am glad to be back.
It's uh it's riveting being herewith you in front of microphones
talking about real estate.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (03:33):
We're gonna get real riveting and it's gonna get real
informative today because yeah,it's the Halloween episode.
It's kind of like uh when TheSimpsons would do their
treehouse of horror.
This is our version of that.
Oh yeah.
The Rentish Gets Spooky, thespookish podcast.
Hauntish podcast.
Hauntish is better.
It's got a lot of fun.
Hauntish is better.
Well, we're gonna we're gonnatalk about a couple really fun
(03:54):
Halloween themed things todayand keep it real estate-centric,
focused.
But thank you for listening tothe show.
Obviously, if you've stuckaround, you know the d the drill
at this point.
But uh the Rentish is a funlittle podcast that we do where
we talk about real estate andproperty management and all the
different sort of aspects ofthat.
If you're enjoying it, great.
Give us a review, give us alike, give us a comment, send us
an email to questions at therentishpod.com, follow us on
(04:17):
socials at therentish pod, andtell a friend.
If you got a friend that's alandlord or someone that owns
properties, or maybe they'relike a tenant that's just into
real estate, or there's someonethat's studying real estate and
they're in college, tell themabout the show.
Say, like, you might enjoy thison your commute.
There's these two guys, Zach andPatrick, and sometimes they have
a third guy that's even funnierthan both of them called Musei.
SPEAKER_00 (04:39):
Speaking of which.
SPEAKER_03 (04:40):
Yeah, Musei's back on the mic if he can find the
unmute button.
SPEAKER_00 (04:44):
Yeah, I'm back on the mic.
Uh it's good to be back on themic.
Um, the mic is great.
SPEAKER_03 (04:52):
Mike is great.
All right, thanks for theinsight, producer Musei.
We might be calling on himmultiple times in this episode
to talk.
But yeah, thank you.
Follow the Rentish everywhere,and we're gonna get into it now
with the Halloween real estaterundown.
That is a mouthful.
We're gonna talk about theConjuring House uh going up for
auction on Halloween.
(05:12):
There's an article here fromRealtor.com.
Patrick, did you read thearticle?
SPEAKER_01 (05:15):
There's an article.
SPEAKER_03 (05:16):
There's an article.
Where?
SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
It was right there.
Oh, you didn't paste the link,you hyperlinked it.
Yeah, sorry, I missed that.
It says here.
Yeah, my bad.
SPEAKER_03 (05:25):
It was like a phantom.
You missed it.
It was like disappeared and wentinto the ether.
All right, so here's one for thespooky season.
The real life Rhode Islandfarmhouse that inspired the
conjuring movies is back in thespotlight.
Let's just say its next chapteris straight out of a horror
script.
We're talking haunted history,Hollywood fame, real estate
drama, and a Halloween twistthat couldn't be more fitting.
(05:47):
So let's break down what'shappening with one of America's
most infamous homes.
SPEAKER_01 (05:51):
Wait, I I have a question.
So is this the so I've seen theconjuring movie.
I actually really like it.
Okay.
The first one's really good.
The first one is good.
The other ones of like Kit andMiss.
Second was okay, and I don'tcare after that.
But um, is this the actual housethat the movie is based off of,
or is this the one that theyfilmed in?
I think that I don't think theyactually filmed in the house.
I could be wrong.
(06:11):
No, right.
It's part of the article.
So but so okay, so this is not Isee, okay.
I'm getting this confused withour uh real estate real or
whatever.
Yeah, real estate real.
This is not the real estate realsegment.
No.
Sorry, I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_03 (06:22):
So this is actually the conjuring segment.
Yeah, so it's like behind.
If I'm remembering correctly, Edand Lorraine Warren.
Those are the main characters,the conjuring movies, but
they're based on real lifepeople, Ed and Lorraine Warren,
who were like in paranormalinvestigators.
Yeah.
That was like their whole thing.
Um, and this house is the housethat they based the movie on,
(06:47):
but they didn't actually film inthis house and they didn't.
So this is the real life.
This is the real life.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Let's get a couple basics out ofthe movie.
Yeah, sorry.
I'm located in Harrisville,Rhode Island, which never heard
of.
I've actually never even been toRhode Island, so barely missed
it.
SPEAKER_01 (07:03):
I was just in Connecticut, New Hampshire, and
Vermont and Massachusetts, andbut you missed going to Rhode
Island.
Like, I it's not like, ohwhoops, we we missed it.
It's like we intentionallydidn't go.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (07:15):
Well, the Conjuring House is 8.5 acres,
three-bedroom farmhouse, and hasa foreclosure auction set for 11
a.m.
on October 31st, which they knewwhat they were doing.
They were like Well, I thoughtit was a coincidence.
I know they're like, it just sohappens.
But it also are the odds.
It would be funny if it was acoin coincidence where it's like
maybe due to like some likelaws, it was like that the last
(07:38):
day of the month would make themost sense to do the foreclosure
auction, and it just happens tobe October 31st, Halloween.
Um, but yeah, the auction isgonna be handled by Justin
Manning.
Uh, no relation to the Peyton orEli family of JJ Manning
auctioneers.
Manning joked about showing updress as Count Dracula, but said
he'd keep it professional.
SPEAKER_01 (07:57):
Dude, okay, you're selling the terrible the
conjuring house on Halloween.
You're talking about keeping itprofessional.
That's where you draw the lineis Dracula.
SPEAKER_03 (08:06):
I agree with you.
But if you're gonna make acomment about it, don't use
Dracul Dracula?
That's fair.
Dracula's been around forever.
Like that that's terriblecomparison.
You say you dressed up likeAnnabelle or something like
that.
That's better, that's better.
Or like the Babaduke orsomething more something more
common than Dracula, which islike an old, it's like a fairy
tale almost.
SPEAKER_01 (08:26):
It's like I'm more like the per keep it
professional part.
It's like that boat sailed thesecond you decided to make this,
you know.
Like lean into it, man.
SPEAKER_02 (08:34):
I want to increase your mortgage.
SPEAKER_01 (08:38):
Or I mean I guess with Dracula's kind of related
to real estate, though.
SPEAKER_03 (08:41):
How is it?
Oh, because because he uh he hasthe like the can like the the
castle and Dracula.
SPEAKER_01 (08:46):
Yeah, the one guy who's coming, it's like a real
estate broker guy who's like hewants to buy property.
That's true.
That's a good point.
So I yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (08:53):
Huh.
Maybe we should uh maybe weshould think about doing that
for next Halloween, is like thelike the Dracula castle and how
he goes moves to the UnitedStates, Voyage of the Great
Demeter, whatever it's called,comes to the United States, gets
that property.
Sure, we can do that.
Raises hell on earth.
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
No problem.
Lock it in.
Does Dracula have a countingproblem?
SPEAKER_03 (09:14):
Oh my god.
Say the punchline.
SPEAKER_00 (09:17):
No, no, does he?
Because doesn't Dracula have ahard time counting?
SPEAKER_01 (09:22):
No, yes.
What do you want me to say?
SPEAKER_00 (09:24):
Is that like a thing though?
SPEAKER_01 (09:25):
Count Dracula.
SPEAKER_03 (09:26):
You're talking are you hold on a second.
Are you talking?
Are you talking about the countfrom from Sesame Street?
Yes.
But that's not the same Dracula.
Not the same Dracula.
The Dracula is not in any way,shape, or he's a there he's a
vampire.
Right.
But the count from Sesame Streetis not Dracula.
(09:50):
I mean it's like based off ofit.
But I love that you had thatlinked in your brain that it's.
SPEAKER_00 (09:54):
Because then I'll be like, I don't want to count
Dracula selling me a home if youcan't really can't count.
SPEAKER_03 (09:59):
So it's like, well, it's like, hold on.
It's like zillo dra ZillowDracula, where it's like, how
many bedrooms?
SPEAKER_00 (10:06):
One bedroom.
SPEAKER_03 (10:08):
Two bedrooms.
SPEAKER_00 (10:11):
Exactly.
That's pretty funny.
SPEAKER_03 (10:13):
Wow, I didn't know that.
That's great.
I'm glad we got that on therecord.
We say his childhood.
This whole time.
SPEAKER_00 (10:18):
Let me go back.
I thought that was a form, likea variant of another Dracula.
SPEAKER_03 (10:22):
Nope.
He's a vampire is the form.
Dracula is a vampire.
The Count is a vampire, butthey're not both Dracula.
Count Vunt.
Yeah.
Is that his name?
Count Von Count, yeah.
Get that crazy.
That's hilarious.
Count Von Count?
Sweet name.
That's pretty genius.
Alright, well, back to we got wegot down the wrong road there.
(10:45):
Uh, The Haunted History.
Ready for this?
Yeah.
Originally owned by the Perrinfamily, who moved in 1971, they
reported numerous paranormalencounters, some benign, others
mean-spirited.
Daughter Andrea Perrin wroteabout it in her 2011 book, House
of Darkness, House of Light.
Ed and Lorraine Warren, who wementioned earlier, were the
real-life paranormalinvestigators from the conjuring
(11:07):
movies.
They were called in, andfamously, during a seance,
reportedly, Andrea's mom uhspoke in another language and
was thrown across the room.
Uh the family stayed until 1980,then moved out after a decade of
alleged hauntings.
Patrick, I got a very importantquestion for you.
Yeah.
Do you believe in ghosts?
SPEAKER_01 (11:27):
I I I don't.
Okay.
I want to.
Like, I think it'd be awesome tobelieve in ghosts, but I don't.
Okay.
What about you?
So haunting, spirits, the theghosts, the ghosts.
I love I love possessions.
Spooky stuff.
I love, I love the idea of it.
Like, I just like I like spookystuff.
Yeah.
I I I can't trick my brain tobelieve that they're actually
(11:48):
they actually exist.
Sure.
Yeah, I don't know.
That's just what what about you?
SPEAKER_03 (11:51):
Well, it's a cool fantasy.
It's a cool story.
I do love the idea of like, youknow, ghosts and hauntings and
stuff.
I think that is very cool.
But my opinion in this modernworld that we live in, everyone
has a cell phone.
We'd have way more conclusiveevidence of there being ghosts
if there were actually ghosts.
Right.
So that's just my take.
Feel free to email questions atthe Rentish Pod if you'd like to
tell us if you believe.
(12:14):
And we'll turn the next episodeinto ghost cast.
Ooh.
Ghost cast.
SPEAKER_01 (12:20):
Rebranding.
We're paranormal investigatorsourselves now moving forward.
SPEAKER_03 (12:23):
Yeah, so uh keep it, keep it, keep it going from real
life to Hollywood.
So their story inspired the 2013movie The Conjuring uh launched
a nine movie franchise,including Last Rights.
Uh the Annabelle stuff kind ofwas a spin-off from that.
The Curse of La Yarona was alsouh a spin-off of that.
Uh and the real home becameknown as the Conjuring House and
a tourist hotspot for paranormalfans.
(12:45):
But there's been some recentownership drama.
In 2019, Corey and JenniferHennison bought it for$439,000
and turned it into a paranormalevent space, which is
hysterical.
That's actually a good idea.
That would sell.
Yeah, entice the tourists.
That's that's a smart buy.
$439,000 for a haunted house,though.
(13:05):
Would you would you spend thatmuch money on a haunted house?
SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
I think, I think with especially that haunted
house being so famous justbecause of the movie.
Okay.
Like that, I think that's agreat investment opportunity.
Like I think the passive incomethere is is would pay for itself
pretty quickly.
SPEAKER_03 (13:20):
So let's say it's not the conjuring house.
You go to Zillow, you go to seea Zillow house and it's haunted.
Yeah, okay.
It's actually like it seems likeit's haunted.
The guy that's selling is likewe've had a lot of history of
paranormal stuff.
The walls move and the uh theyhear voices coming from behind
the fridge.
Do you would you buy the house?
You what you would you wouldn'tbe scared off by that.
SPEAKER_01 (13:42):
I uh again, I I don't know that I believe in
ghosts.
I actually I know that I don't.
Um so I don't think I I'd bescared, I'd be more weirded out
by the like realtor.
Like I'm like, why are you whyyou're going deep into this
character, man?
SPEAKER_02 (13:55):
Like before you come in for this tour, we must recite
this incantation before anyonewho pulls out like a big book or
another.
SPEAKER_01 (14:01):
I probably yeah, I'd probably head head out though,
just because of the realtor.
Yeah, but I'm gonna be out.
SPEAKER_03 (14:06):
Good luck selling the place.
Bye.
Get in the car.
In 2022, the Conjuring Housesold to Jacqueline Nunez for 1.5
million.
SPEAKER_01 (14:15):
So in three years on appreciation, let's say alone,
they it tripled its price.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (14:22):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (14:22):
They good for you, Corey and Jennifer Hent.
SPEAKER_03 (14:25):
Yeah, they bought themselves a good lottery ticket
there.
Yeah.
Um, but soon after the 1.5million sale controversy hit, a
staff member was fired.
She claimed the spirit of aformer owner told her he was
stealing accusations from staffof mistreatment, and there was a
town council that refused torenew their entertainment
license in 2024 due to communitytensions.
SPEAKER_01 (14:47):
So I believe the the staff mistreatment and the
failure to renew your license.
Not sure I believe those seemvery like, yeah, I I buy that.
You failed to renew yourlicense, it's like, ah, the
place was haunted.
SPEAKER_03 (15:01):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (15:02):
I don't know.
The ghost ate my license.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (15:07):
Uh, but yeah, Nunez later defaulted on her mortgage
leading to the year'sforeclosure auction.
So um yeah, it might have been ait might have been a lucrative
purchase for$1.5 million, butdue to all the controversy, due
to the issues, the thedefaulting on the mortgage, it's
uh now going into foreclosure.
So we're we're not sure what'sgonna happen there, but um,
we're gonna get to potentialbuyers here.
SPEAKER_01 (15:28):
Well, I mean, here it does say the Halloween date
wasn't planned for marketing.
If it's a legal timeline.
SPEAKER_03 (15:35):
So they say I say I still think it's a way to drum
up uh drum up some extra hype.
SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
Maybe it was happening in the fall, and
they're like, well, I mean, ifit's happening in the fall, you
know.
SPEAKER_03 (15:46):
Also, can we shout out to the calendar?
I want to give a shout out tothe calendar.
Uh there's a new segment on thepodcast where you talk about
things we want to.
Well, just no shout outs.
We want to give shout outs tothings.
I'm giving a shout-out to thecalendar.
Okay.
Big ups to the calendar forHalloween being on a Friday this
year.
I feel like the last few yearswe've gotten screwed, and
Halloween's been like a Thursdayor a Tuesday or whatever.
(16:08):
But Halloween being on a Friday,love it.
That's nice.
Perfect.
Yes.
You get to close the book onwork on Friday, put your spooky
costume on, go out to the bar,have a few drinks.
So it's fun.
Good point.
Yeah.
Are you not a Halloween guy?
You don't seem very excitedabout that.
SPEAKER_01 (16:24):
I like Halloween.
No, I mean, like, yeah, I I feellike I mean, even if Halloween
wasn't on a Friday, like, it'sstill like I'd be doing
something on a Friday anyways.
Like, I I I'm going to themosque.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (16:36):
But it's even it's cooler knowing that the day is
on the day.
It's like it's Halloween is theday, so it's cool that
everyone's celebrating it at thesame time and it's on a Friday.
SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
So here's my I mean, this is probably doesn't need to
be said, but I I don't loveHalloween parties.
I love like watching like justspooky movies.
That's my favorite Halloweenthing to do.
Right.
And I I feel like I can do thatany day of the week.
Um, so I feel like Halloweenbeing on a Friday for me, even
is like I have like more peerpressure to like go.
It's like it's actuallyHalloween this year to go, you
(17:08):
know, to a Halloween party orsomething.
Okay.
I'm not a big like party person,but I love the Halloween season
and vibe over any other holidayfor sure.
SPEAKER_03 (17:15):
Yeah.
All right.
So then potential buyers.
Let's talk about this reallyquickly and then we'll wrap up
this article.
Because this has been a gooddiscussion.
We've already and we've gone wayover on time.
Whoops.
Uh, comedian Matt Reif, who uhthe producers mentioned earlier.
I was I'm not familiar with thisguy, and YouTuber Elton
Castille, who are both intoparanormal content, have shown
interest in the house.
(17:35):
Do you know who these peopleare?
I know Matt Reif.
SPEAKER_01 (17:38):
I don't know Elton Castille.
Castie.
SPEAKER_03 (17:41):
Got it.
But yeah, earlier this year theybought Ed and Lorraine Warren's
old Connecticut home along withthe museum and the Annabelle
doll.
So these these comedians andYouTubers have already started
like acquiring propertiesassociated with the Warrens.
So um yeah, interesting thatthey're going after the
Connecticut home.
What I'm curious to know is howmuch it's the foreclosures, like
what it's gonna sell for now.
(18:02):
Like that's gonna be really aninteresting amount to see.
But yeah, Rife, when asked aboutit, called it, quote, the most
important piece of paranormalhistory in the world, end quote.
Whoa.
Which is uh high praise.
Yeah.
High praise.
They've expressed wanting topreserve the conjuring house and
possibly open it for tours andovernight stays.
Would you stay overnight in theconjuring house?
SPEAKER_01 (18:22):
Yeah, I think it'd be cool.
Like, I yeah, I mean, I at thispoint I think it's kind of like
it is tourist trappy, but Ithink it's cool.
Like the fact that it actuallyhas a history, you know, is is
pretty sweet.
Yeah, so could be cool.
SPEAKER_03 (18:33):
I'm reminded of the ghost house sketch from I think
you should leave.
Uh, but yeah, in closing, theauctions outcome can go one of
two ways.
An investor could flip it orbuild on the land, or paranormal
enthusiasts are gonna keep italive with a spooky destination.
So, either way, the story, thereputation, it's going to live
on in some way, shape, or form.
We're just gonna have to see anddocument on the renti pod.
(18:56):
So stick with us if you want tohear what happens.
SPEAKER_01 (18:59):
Would you, if you were in the area, do you think
(19:23):
you'd check it out?
SPEAKER_03 (19:24):
Not really.
I I don't I don't have enough ofa fandom to the conjuring
movies, and I don't really careabout staying in a spooky house.
So no, probably not.
Maybe I'll drive by it.
Be like, look, there it goes.
And keep driving.
And then go see whatever else isinteresting in Rhode Island.
Yeah.
Seafood, I'm sure.
Rhode Island's got some goodseafood.
(19:45):
I'm sure.
It's by the sea.
It's not an island, though.
It's by the sea.
Okay, cool.
That's it for that.
And that is the Halloween realestate rundown.
SPEAKER_01 (19:57):
Well, uh, we'll keep things rolling because we
actually have Real Estate Realcoming next where we're talking
about another spooky location.
Uh, the Overlook Hotel.
Thank you.
For the sound effects.
That was really good.
SPEAKER_03 (20:10):
I'm gonna do like various Halloween sounding
effects while you read this.
Ready?
SPEAKER_01 (20:19):
That's supposed to be a wolf.
I don't know what that was.
It was like half wolf, half owl.
Um but yeah, we're doing theoverlook hotel from the shining
in this segment.
Just by the way, for newerlisteners, real estate real, we
dive into iconic properties fromTV and film and explore their
real-world locations, values,and quirks.
(20:40):
Um, so the Overlook Hotel inStanley Kubrick's adaptation of
The Shining.
Oh, yeah.
Uh, one of the most chillingcinematic locations ever put to
film.
In my opinion.
I don't know.
Oh, yeah.
You I know you love The Shining.
SPEAKER_03 (20:54):
Yeah, I I didn't know if you wanted to read more
of the intro before we get intoour thoughts.
Yeah, you just let me know whenyou want me to start ripping,
because I'll rip.
SPEAKER_01 (21:02):
So, with its grand yet unsettling architecture, uh,
the snowbound isolation and thereputation as a place where
reality unravels, the OverlookHotel isn't just a backdrop,
it's practically a character inand of itself.
Today we're gonna answer if theOverlook was based on a real
hotel, what it would cost tostay in or even own the
property, could it function as aviable resort in real life?
(21:24):
Um, and how has it influencedreal world hospitality and pop
culture?
Sound good?
Sounds great.
Cool.
So just some background in thestory: the Overlook Hotel sits
high in the Colorado Rockies,hours away from civilization,
where winter's cut off accesscompletely.
So it's isolated, it becomesthat isolation becomes central
(21:45):
to the story in the shining,basically trapping this family
in in this hotel, and it becomeslike a psychological horror.
So as far as the shining goes,one of your favorites?
SPEAKER_03 (21:54):
One of my top favorite movies of all time.
It's in my letterbox four forpeople that know what that
means.
Social media letterbox, you pickyour four favorites, it's on
there.
So if I was ever famous enough,if the Rentish was ever at a red
carpet premiere of something,this old house, the movie, or
something like that.
And Patrick and I were on thered carpet and they walked up to
and they interviewed us, and itwas like, oh, it's letterboxed.
(22:16):
We love letterboxed.
It's like four favorites withPatrick Guerrero.
And it's like, here we go.
So mine will one of them wouldbe The Shining.
I got sidetracked.
I was fantasizing about us beingon a red carpet.
That's my dream.
SPEAKER_02 (22:29):
Seriously.
SPEAKER_03 (22:31):
Anyways, uh Yeah, I love the movie.
I I I've I've read the theStephen King novel a long time
ago.
But yeah, it's really cool.
Tried watching the TV series,not very good, but it's
interesting.
The the sequel that they did, Inever read the book, but the the
movie Doctor Sleep is alsoreally, really good as well.
Uh, it's a recommend for me.
Kind of flew under the radar.
(22:51):
But yeah, the original Shining,Jack Nicholson, Stanley Kubrick,
Shelly Duval, that movie'smagic.
It's a comfort movie for me,which is awesome.
Well, you gave me an eye crook.
Comfort.
I mean, I I I see what you'resaying, though, in a way.
Well, it's like, so like, Idon't know why.
I mean, it's a it's a horrormovie, it's definitely spooky,
but for whatever reason, thatmovie's one of those, like, I'm
(23:11):
just gonna throw it on because Ijust enjoy the vibe and the the
score, the the the the setdesign of the overlook.
It just looks so good, and JackNicholson's performance is so
awesome.
And I love the mystery, I lovethe the eeriness of the movie.
So it's just like it's one ofthose weird movies.
Like it is a horror movie, butfor me it's like kind of like a
(23:32):
comfort movie.
SPEAKER_01 (23:33):
I I I need to re-watch it soon.
I do have a red rum uh coffeemug.
Nice.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (23:37):
So Red Rum, Red Rum, Red Rum, Red Rum.
SPEAKER_01 (23:40):
I love Danny.
SPEAKER_03 (23:42):
Danny! What have you done with Danny?
SPEAKER_01 (23:45):
It's my shit.
But uh touch the kid, okay?
Anyways, so in real life, theexterior shots in the movie were
filmed at the Timberline Lodgein Oregon, located in Mount
Hood.
SPEAKER_03 (24:02):
One of my one of my goals is that I've never
actually traveled to the PacificNorthwest, and one of my
favorite TV shows of all time isTwin Peaks.
And you can also visit the theGreat Northern and in Twin
Peaks.
Like the filming location forthat is in Oregon as well.
And I would love to go to MountHood and see the Timberline
Lodge as well.
So one of these days I'm gonnacheck both those off the box.
SPEAKER_01 (24:23):
Let us know when you do.
We'll do a recap on the parttwo.
But yeah, the interior is not areal hotel of the Timberline
Lodge.
Did you know that?
Yep.
Okay.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
I mean, I would have assumedthat it it was, but yeah,
Kubrick built massive sets inLondon's uh L Street studios
designed to feel both luxuriousand eerily confusing with
corridors, impossible windows,and a disorienting layout, which
(24:46):
also makes sense uh given giventhe movie.
So Stephen King's inspiration,however, came from a stay at the
Stanley Hotel in uh Estes Park,Colorado, an early 1900s resort
with its own reputation forbeing haunted.
So it does have an actualinspiration.
And I've stayed there.
Oh, what?
You have?
SPEAKER_03 (25:04):
Yeah, so it the Stanley Hotel in it's Estes
Park, Colorado.
But yeah, it's in the RockyMountains.
I had family growing up inColorado.
So I went out there a lot as akid.
Uh a few years ago, actually,2022, I think it was, I was
helping a friend move fromCleveland, Ohio to California.
And on the way there, one of thestops we stayed at was at the
(25:26):
Stanley Hotel, and we ended upstaying the night there.
And went to their their the Ithink it's called the Golden
Room or something, is their bar.
I mean, the inside of the placeis is gorgeous, and the grounds
for the Stanley is beautiful.
It's a beautiful hotel.
It's very old, but it's likekind of like a rustic, cool kind
of old.
Like it's not like outdated.
It's very much like you wouldimagine that like very
(25:48):
important, powerful people wouldstay there like back in the day.
But it's a cool, it's a coolspot.
But but yeah, they have allsorts of art and memorabilia
around the walls because of theStephen King connection.
And if my memory serves meright, the TV adaptation of The
Shining was filmed there, orcertain scenes were filmed
there.
So they did do some connectionto it, but again, the the TV
(26:10):
version of The Shining is nobueno.
SPEAKER_01 (26:13):
Gotcha.
Well, yeah, I mean, to yourpoint, the Stanley Hotel today,
it does lean into the spookyfame, offering like the the uh
ghost tours and themed eventsand whatnot.
As far as the isolated luxury,the the remote mountain resorts
face high operating costs due tothe weather, heating, and
maintenance.
So that even though that the thehotel would have a bunch of
(26:34):
income coming from the touristystuff, it it's hard to make
profitability because of thoseexpenses.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (26:41):
So I mean I mean it's a it's a it's a very stark
place to have like I mean likemountain lodges are are
fascinating to me because yeah,it's like the whole purpose of
the Shining Movie, the way thatthe movie starts is that they
have Jack Torrance be thecaretaker of the lodge.
So they have to hire someonethat's like willing to shut
themselves in to this lodge thatis basically unaccessible during
(27:04):
the harsh winter months.
So it's like I couldn't do that.
I couldn't do that at all.
I I definitely couldn't goisolation for for months in the
winter in a big spooky lodge.
Like I would lose my I wouldlose my mind.
Yeah.
So no wonder why he's like, allwork and no play makes Jack a
doll boy.
SPEAKER_01 (27:22):
Yeah.
Another fun fact here, theTimberline Lodge was so worried
about horror associations thatthey made Kubrick not use room
217.
Yeah.
Um, which is a real room, so wehad to switch it to 237, which
was not a real room at thelodge.
SPEAKER_03 (27:34):
It's funny, I wonder where that number came from.
Like, I would love to uh, youknow, like where the 237 came
from, like why that was thepick.
Like maybe it was the first roomthat wasn't numbered in the
original Timberline Lodge, butyeah, I don't know.
Cool.
Now that number is iconic 237.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No one try and hack me, please.
But I definitely use that numberfor like passwords and stuff
when I was like younger, like onemail.
(27:56):
Yeah, yeah, my login would belike blah blah blah blah blah
two three seven.
SPEAKER_01 (28:00):
Oh yeah, moving moving on.
So, as far as in in the movie,like the overlook is portrayed
as a sprawling luxury hotel witha law, a grand lobby, a
cavernous ballroom, that's agood word, uh, endless hallways,
a hedge maze, and dozens ofguest rooms.
In real life, the TimberlineLodge is is large, but nowhere
near the size of the Overlook,or no, it doesn't have that
(28:22):
labyrinth aspect either.
Uh the interiors were obviouslyexaggerated to create unease,
um, as we talked about with thewith the sets.
Also, the hedge maze neveractually existed.
It was purely Kubrick'sinvention uh to heighten
tension, which which also makessense.
Yeah.
Okay, so as far as the rentcosts and affordability, take a
guess as to how much a lodgelike that, like the overlook,
(28:45):
would take would would cost pernight.
SPEAKER_03 (28:47):
Like for a room for a standard room for a night.
Well, I can tell you how much Ipaid to stay in the Stanley.
I mean I use that as like aguess, like an estimation.
I think it was like$500 for onenight, four or five hundred
dollars.
We split it four ways.
So like that was fine for agroup of four people or
whatever, but yeah, like$500 forthe week.
So the Timberline Lodge, Oregon,uh$800,$700.
SPEAKER_01 (29:14):
So yeah, so the Stanley is like$400 to$1,200 for
a hotel like that, like a reallife hotel.
Yeah.
Um, in like isolated in themountains.
Now for a property with theoverlooks grandeur and
isolation, that would be closerto$1,500 to$3,000.
Like if you were going to likethe actual, like how it looks in
the movie, sort of thing.
Okay.
As far as building a remoteluxury resort today, that could
(29:37):
exceed$200 million factoring inconstruction, access roads,
which is something to considerin this kind of property that
you wouldn't have to considerwith other kinds of properties.
Yep.
Um, and also just year-roundmaintenance, you know, all the
way out there in isolation.
So the annual upkeep would beenormous with the heating, the
snow removal, the staffaccommodations.
(29:58):
That alone could run millions ofdollars per year.
SPEAKER_03 (30:01):
So I I believe it, judging by the state of my
electricity and gas bill thelast few months.
Woof.
It's about to get real bad inthe winter, too.
So yeah.
I'm just gonna I'm gonna goVictorian this this this winter
and just like bundle up and youknow, make a little fire in my
(30:21):
house to avoid paying DukeEnergy more money.
SPEAKER_01 (30:24):
I feel like I've barely, it's been like fall.
I feel like I've barely beenusing my heating and AC.
What temperature do you set yourheat to turn on to?
Um, I like between 70 and 72 istypically what I do.
SPEAKER_03 (30:36):
That's what you haven't set to?
unknown (30:38):
You're cooking.
SPEAKER_01 (30:40):
Dude.
Dude, my I I walk in sometimesand my girlfriend is there with
it's 74, and I'm like, why am Isweating right now?
And I have to bring it back downand she gets cold.
So we have to find a middleground.
All right, producer musse.
What?
What do you set your house to?
SPEAKER_00 (30:56):
Um now it's at 63.
Okay.
Um you guys are freezing.
No, but my the home we haveright now, it's it's it gets
cold really fast inside, butwhen it's the heat, when it's
like during the summer, Iusually try to have it at like
68.
SPEAKER_03 (31:14):
But so we finally caved and turned the I wait
until the last possibleopportunity to turn the heat or
the air on in my house.
The other night we finally hadtemperatures in the evenings
that dip below 40.
And uh right now we have thehouse set to 53.
SPEAKER_01 (31:30):
Jeez.
SPEAKER_03 (31:30):
And I'll keep that set as long as possible.
SPEAKER_01 (31:33):
That is crazy to me.
SPEAKER_03 (31:34):
Just put on a hoodie.
SPEAKER_01 (31:36):
Alright, I think that's I think we need to wrap
this up.
We gotta we gotta land thisplane.
Yeah, there's there's theOverlook Hotel is more than just
a fictional setting.
It's a case study in how space,architecture, and isolation can
shape storytelling.
From its real-world inspirationslike Timberline Lodge and the
Stanley Hotel, to itsexaggerated cinematic design,
(31:57):
the Overlook blurs the linebetween fantasy and reality.
Uh, while most of us wouldn'twant to get snowed in at a
haunted resort with ghosts andmadness lurking in the halls,
it's fascinating to decode thereal estate and hospitality
layers behind the horror.
Like the villas in White Lotusor Jerry's apartment in
Seinfeld, the Overlook invitesus to imagine what it would be
like to actually stay there.
Only this time the dream comeswith a nightmare.
SPEAKER_03 (32:20):
What a spooky, spooky man you are.
Great job.
And that's another episode ofthe Rentish Pod in the books.
Thank you all for listening tothe show.
We appreciate you very, verymuch for sticking around and
hanging with us while we talkabout the overlook and we talked
about the conjuring house.
It's been a very spookyHalloween, would you agree,
(32:41):
Patrick?
Scared shitless.
We're gonna have to censor thatnow.
Remember, follow the pod at therentish pod on social media.
Email questions at therentishpod.com if you have a
question or a topic suggestion,or if you had a famous property
that you want us to talk about,or a real estate real
suggestion, we love hearingthose.
(33:01):
So email the pod.
We'd love to hear from you guys.
And then uh yeah, give us arating, give us a review, a
positive score, 10 stars, fivestars, as many stars as they
give, and uh tell a friend ortwo that you like the Rentish
and that you think that theyshould listen.
So until the next time, booscary to you.
I hope you have a happyHalloween.
(33:22):
I've been Zach.
That's been Patrick, and we'llsee you next time.
The Rentish Podcast is recordedin Cincinnati, Ohio, hosted by
Patrick Giro and me, ZachRotello.
Produced by Mousse Gebermescaland Charlene Mulchendani.
Edited by Elliot Mongenis.
Theme song by me, Zach Rotello.
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