July 14, 2025 • 37 mins
In episode 19 of The Rent-ish Pod, Patrick breaks down the hype behind tiny homes Tiny Homes in the U.S. Then in our RE Reel segment we unpack Jess’ loft from the show “New Girl”. Zach and Patrick go over how the characters were able to afford the cost of living, how much it might go for today, and other real estate fun facts. Whether you’re renting or managing property, this episode is packed with practical advice and real-world insights you can use right now.Got questions, hot takes, or real estate horror stories of your own? Email us at questions@therentishpod.com—you might just make the next episode.
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My brain is like, my brain, youever have those sentences where
your brain is just moving fasterthan your mouth can say the
words?
That's exactly what happened.
We're your hosts for the RentishPodcast, a podcast that's kind
of about rental properties andhosted by two guys that work in
the real estate industry andsort of know what they're
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Nailed it.
We're getting better.
It's like week by week.
We're greasing the machine.
Are we getting better or are wegetting worse with the flubs?
Moussey, are we getting better?
Producer Moussey, are we gettingbetter or are we getting worse?
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You guys are getting better.
Thank you.
Yeah, because I feel like beforewe would have been like, oh, we
got to redo the whole thing.
Is that how Elliot sounds?
No,
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that's how
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Patrick
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sounds.
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We got to redo the whole thing, guys.
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Or we just don't care as much and just don't, you
know.
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Patrick, how are you doingtoday?
I'm good.
SPEAKER_00 (02:22):
Nothing else to report.
I'm just good.
I'm not great.
I'm not bad.
I'm good.
You're good.
Yeah, how are you?
SPEAKER_01 (02:27):
Thank you.
I was waiting for you to ask mehow I am.
Yeah, you were fishing for that.
I'm great, Patrick.
You know why I'm great?
Why are you great?
Because yesterday, two bigthings happened in the world.
Okay.
Okay, so Patrick and I are movieguys, so deal with it.
You're listening to The RentishPod.
We're going to talk about realestate, but we also love movies.
Yeah.
Yesterday, new Superman trailer.
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James Gunn's Superman movie iscoming out July
SPEAKER_00 (02:49):
11th.
Mark your calendars.
You told me about it.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:51):
It's my most anticipated movie of the year.
I've been a longtime comic bookfan, a Superman fan.
New trailer, I'm on cloud nine.
Patrick, I walk into the officetoday, I was like, Patrick is
like, I saw it, it was good.
SPEAKER_00 (03:02):
I just wanted to kick him.
I didn't watch the whole thingeither.
I just kind of skipped around alittle bit.
God, it makes me so irrationaland
SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
angry.
I can't even tell you.
How many times have you watchedit?
It was like 25 or 30.
And it
SPEAKER_00 (03:14):
came out less than 24 hours
SPEAKER_01 (03:15):
ago?
Yeah, less than 24.
No, yesterday at noon it cameout.
We're recording this on May15th.
But yeah, no, super excited.
Love the trailer.
You're into it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:24):
You saw it.
I think it looks good.
I think it looks like a funvibe.
I'm not huge on the superherotrain now, but I would go see
this one.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (03:33):
Yeah.
Cool.
SPEAKER_00 (03:34):
The other big
SPEAKER_01 (03:34):
thing, and I'm repping the t-shirt right now,
HBO flipped it back.
They're back to HBO
SPEAKER_00 (03:40):
Max
SPEAKER_01 (03:41):
instead of Just Max.
Snip, snap, snip, snap.
They went from HBO Max to Max.
To Max.
To just Max.
Yeah.
And now they're flipping it backto HBO Max.
SPEAKER_00 (03:49):
I mean, I think it definitely makes sense.
Everyone I know still called itHBO Max or HBO, whatever.
I wouldn't say I'm on cloud nineabout that.
I'm like, okay.
With a shoulder shrug.
You're wearing an HBO Max shirtright now.
SPEAKER_01 (04:03):
Well, we're back.
We are back.
So that's why I'm wearing theshirt is because we are back.
What about Pete Rose?
Pete Rose, that's right.
Yeah, Pete Rose, the band LiftIt Rose.
We're getting into sports now,too.
We say he wants to contribute.
SPEAKER_03 (04:17):
We say he's a rogue.
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
It's like, all right, now we're going to talk
about sports with some guy thatreally likes sports and then
this guy that doesn't
SPEAKER_00 (04:25):
know anything.
I love the sport balls.
SPEAKER_01 (04:26):
You went to your first baseball game
SPEAKER_00 (04:28):
ever on Pete Rose.
I've been to a ClevelandGuardians game.
I went to my first CincinnatiReds game.
Got it.
So it's not your first
SPEAKER_01 (04:36):
baseball game.
It was your first Reds
SPEAKER_00 (04:38):
game.
Yeah.
Did you have a good time?
It's just like a bucket list.
Okay.
I'll put it this way.
I am glad that I went.
This guy is about to say somecrap.
I'm glad that I went.
SPEAKER_01 (04:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:50):
So I can say I've gone.
Okay.
Yeah.
No.
I have no– yeah.
We'll leave it at that.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
You told us you hated the hot dogs.
SPEAKER_00 (04:58):
Well, it was, it was like$2 hot dog night.
So I had four, I didn't havefour hot dogs, but like, I'm a
big hot dog guy for ourlisteners who don't know.
And they were just like, weren'tgood.
you know yeah they're not goodthe ballpark
SPEAKER_01 (05:11):
dogs I've never had a bad ballpark dog at the Great
American Ballpark
SPEAKER_00 (05:15):
they're not like I ate four obviously so clearly
they were good enough for me toeat four but like they weren't
good you know
SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
maybe it was because they were doing the cheap hot
dog night they were mass makingthem way more than they do the
typical because when I get in ona typical like I go to a
baseball game to get a hot dogit's like super hot fresh out of
the thing all the toppings thebun is fluffy come on now wasn't
it good He's just laughing at mydescription of a hot dog.
SPEAKER_00 (05:40):
Yeah.
I will say that was not the casewith these hot dogs.
Like I would personally, likepeople are saying like, Oh, it's
like$2 dog night.
It's like, no, I would ratherjust go to a, to a hot dog shop
and eat like really good hotdogs and then not have to watch
baseball.
SPEAKER_01 (05:56):
All right.
Well, okay.
Shout out to the Reds.
I love Great American Ball.
Officially eliminated Redsyesterday with their loss to the
White Sox.
Eliminated from playoffcontention.
So, another year.
Already?
Yep, already.
But we're not going to hear totalk about sports and or
Superman and or Warner BrothersMedia.
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Although that might be whatsounds like, hey, if you enjoy
that stuff, you know, hey, we'rehere for you.
But today we're going to talkabout some fun real estate
topics.
We're going to cover tiny homesin the United States.
Patrick's got some fun stuff totalk with That's about tiny
homes.
And then we're going to talkabout real, what is it called?
Real estate real.
SPEAKER_00 (06:36):
Real
SPEAKER_01 (06:37):
estate real.
Film Reel, R-E-E-L, where we'regoing to talk about famous movie
television properties, and we'regoing to talk about the loft
from New Girl.
So, yeah, we're going to getright on into it, Patrick.
You got some things to sharewith me about tiny homes.
Tiny
SPEAKER_00 (06:52):
homes.
We're going to be talking aboutwhat they are, why people are
turning to them, how they changethe way we think about space,
affordability, andsustainability in real estate.
Okay.
Tiny Homes 101.
What are they?
Zach, do you have a guess as towhat a tiny home is?
SPEAKER_01 (07:07):
Well, I don't know.
I don't need to guess because Ilived it.
You lived it?
I've stayed in a tiny home.
When did
SPEAKER_00 (07:15):
you stay in a
SPEAKER_01 (07:15):
tiny home?
It was years ago.
It was probably when that crazewas first getting going or at
least when I first heard aboutit.
I stayed at an Airbnb inAsheville, North Carolina.
It was a tiny home.
It looked like a shippingcontainer kind of house or
whatever, but not like a barndominium like we talked about on
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that one episode.
Thank you.
you but it was it was literallya tiny home it was one door you
walk you could see the back ofthe house from the front door
all the stuff just kind ofsquished into the in the middle
of the of the house so i'vestayed in one before it was just
like a it was like a weekendairbnb thing gotcha yeah so it's
a small house i'm so yeah tinyhome tiny home equals small
(07:59):
house it's not a tough questionno i think tiny home just has
better search engine seo than uh
SPEAKER_00 (08:05):
friggin little small small house small house it
SPEAKER_01 (08:07):
sounds better to say tiny home than to say small
house.
SPEAKER_00 (08:11):
Yeah.
I've never stayed in a tinyhome.
I would like to one of thesedays.
I've stayed in like an RV.
My grandparents have an RV.
I don't know.
That's not really the samething.
It's kind of a similar sort of,in terms of like the layout,
like compact.
SPEAKER_01 (08:24):
Similar, but that's like a place that's mobile.
The idea of a tiny home is thatit's completely stationary.
You build it up and that's yourhouse.
SPEAKER_00 (08:33):
Right, right, right.
Well, some of them, I mean, inthis article talking about
mobile tiny homes on wheels butI'm just like that to me just
seems like an RV I don't knowyeah it's just like
SPEAKER_01 (08:42):
we're just dancing around the fact that you
basically have an RV you justdon't want to call it an RV you
just want to call it a tiny home
SPEAKER_00 (08:48):
but yeah a tiny home compact living space it's
typically under 400 square feetthat's kind of like the size I
saw as like what would beconsidered a tiny home right and
obviously like the design of atiny home is to maximize
function and minimize footprintso like make get everything you
need out of a home as likesquare in compact of an area as
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possible.
So typically between 100 and 400square feet, they can be custom
built, DIY, or prefabricated.
So I know, like I saw this thinga while ago on the internet.
It's just like, it's like a, themodel T of tiny homes.
It's just kind of like factorymade, like tiny homes.
I don't know.
I don't remember like whatcompany was doing it.
Um, but there's also like, youknow, custom made tiny homes
(09:30):
here to what you want.
Um, basically they got toinclude a kitchen bathroom, a
sleeping area, and a minimal,like living space in the place
for you to keep your, yourclothes and anything that you,
that you might need.
Right.
Obviously without access.
Right.
I don't think my Blu-raycollection would be able to fit
in a tiny home, for example.
SPEAKER_01 (09:52):
I like that that's your primary concern, whether or
not you would live in a tinyhome.
Should we talk about that now,of the would you or would you
not live in a tiny home, or doyou want to save that until
later?
We can
SPEAKER_00 (10:01):
save that
SPEAKER_01 (10:01):
toward
SPEAKER_00 (10:02):
the end, because I'm going to bring up some of the
pros and cons of tiny homes, andthen we can discuss whether we
would live in them.
But first, where are tiny homes?
They can kind of be anywhere.
Where are they?
They can be in urban...
backyards or rural plots.
There's even tiny homecommunities.
I don't know if you've seen anyof these, like a community of
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just a bunch of tiny
SPEAKER_03 (10:23):
homes.
SPEAKER_00 (10:24):
Yeah, no, they exist.
I know I've got a friend whostayed in Hocking Hills,
actually.
SPEAKER_01 (10:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've seen those online manytimes.
It's like, want a nice littleplace, like a home away from
home and a weekend visit toHocking Hills?
Yeah, they've got the littletiny homes there and they're
super modern and luxurious.
They're trying to make it like apremium hotel room, basically.
Yeah.
So
SPEAKER_00 (10:49):
why
SPEAKER_01 (10:49):
are
SPEAKER_00 (10:49):
they popular?
So there's a couple reasons.
I mean, one of the big ones iswith the average home prices
topping upwards of$400,000 inthe US, tiny homes...
Much more affordable.
Usually priced between$30,000and$100,000.
So obviously way, way moreaffordable to the average
person.
So it's an accessible pathtowards home ownership when some
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folks might not otherwise beable to have that as easily.
Another reason it's popular isthe simplicity and minimalism.
Minimalism is of it.
Is that the right word?
Minimalism?
SPEAKER_01 (11:23):
Minimalism.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (11:25):
that's right.
I think I was trying to think ofminimalization, but that's not
SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
a word.
Minimalistic.
Minimal.
Minimalistic is the adjective.
Minimalist would be the person.
SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
Yes.
So minimalists who want topractice minimalistic minimalism
might want a
SPEAKER_01 (11:40):
tiny home.
That should be the title of thisepisode.
Minimalists who want to practiceminimalistic tendencies to be
minimal.
SPEAKER_00 (11:48):
Well, I mean, in the age that we live in, we're at a
hyper-consumerist, materialisticsort of age.
And I think some people arecraving those simpler
lifestyles, having less clutter,even less less utility bills and
like just less things to likepay for and have and keep up
with.
So obviously tiny homesscratches that itch for those
people.
Yeah.
And also, I mean, like you said,it kind of exploded.
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What was like 2018, 2019, maybe
SPEAKER_01 (12:13):
when I stayed in a tiny home was like 2017, but I
probably first heard of themwhen I was in high school.
Okay.
Yeah.
Maybe it was a
SPEAKER_00 (12:18):
little earlier than I thought.
Um, but like on social media andthere's like shows like tiny
house nation, uh, never heard oftrends on Tik TOK, Instagram,
the, all their, all the socialmedia, The hip
SPEAKER_01 (12:30):
socials that the kids are using.
The kids are using.
Is the, producing me to say, isthe rent-ish on TikTok yet?
SPEAKER_02 (12:36):
No, it's
SPEAKER_01 (12:36):
not.
We got to start practicing likeTikTok trend dances and have
Patrick do them.
It will be like dancing.
To promote the episodes.
SPEAKER_00 (12:44):
I don't think our listeners saw that.
But okay, let's talk about thefunctionality a little bit.
So one of the big components ofa tiny home is smart design.
So every inch matters.
So in a tiny home, when you'retrying to maximize functionality
in as small of a space aspossible, things like like fold
out beds, hidden storage, loftedbeds and sleeping areas.
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Tiny homes are like, I don'tknow if like when I see the
inside of a tiny home, sometimesI'm like, I'm like, how do you
fit in this small of a space?
But then I get the little tour.
It's like, oh, this folds out.
This has, you know, which iskind of cool.
I mean, it's kind of like,what's that?
What's that?
Like, it's like a Lego set on.
Maybe that's not the word I'mlooking for.
You know, like something whereit's like, it's everything is
(13:25):
like so perfectly designed.
SPEAKER_01 (13:27):
Sure.
Yeah.
I mean, like a diorama orsomething like that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:29):
Yeah.
yeah maybe that's that's whatI'm looking for sustainability a
lot of tiny homes on top ofbeing just compact have
sustainability tactics to makethem as as inexpensive as
possible and maybe asundependent I guess independent
not dependent on like externalthings like things like solar
(13:53):
panels are really popular withtiny homes yeah obviously
there's not as much power in atiny home but you you guys a
tiny home with solar panels it'slike self-sufficient maybe
that's the word I was like
SPEAKER_01 (14:03):
yeah I mean we'll get to this when we talk about
like our opinions on if we livein these or not but I do have to
give a shout out to thesustainability aspect for sure
like I think that that is verycool the idea of like I don't
need this gigantic house withthree four bedrooms that cost X
amount of dollars to heat up andstay cool in the summertime and
it's like I you know I can havethis small little box that holds
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myself and maybe a significantother and maybe some cherished
possessions, but yeah, I don'tknow.
It's very cool.
SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
No, it is cool.
And then, and you know, and alot of them have like things
like composting toilets andeco-friendly materials and stuff
like that.
The last kind of point with tinyhomes is the flexible living
options.
So I think a common thing, like,you know, as you've said, and I
alluded to with the Hawk andKills thing is, is kind of like
short-term rentals.
I think tiny homes are prettypopular in the short-term rental
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sort of atmosphere where likesome people might not want to
full-time live there, but it'slike, oh, cool.
I get to have this kind ofexperience for for a week, kind
of like living maybe a littleoff-grid with all my stuff, but
still have everything I need.
I think it's popular there.
Also, I mean, some peoplefull-time live there.
It's got that sort of livingoption.
SPEAKER_01 (15:11):
And the concept of, like I said, my experience with
staying at a tiny home was in anAirbnb.
So the short-term rentalinvestment sort of aspect is
strong.
Or it could be strong.
We'll kind of talk into thepopularity of this
SPEAKER_00 (15:25):
stuff.
Right.
And one I kind of just thoughtof is maybe like a vacation home
i don't know if that's the rightword to use but it's not like
it's something that you like ownyou know and but it's not like
your primary residence rightlike you know tiny home in the
woods i think that was that'sprobably something that's pretty
popular do
SPEAKER_01 (15:40):
you think so yeah i think
SPEAKER_00 (15:41):
i would think yeah i mean not to spoiler alert uh
we'll get to we'll get We'llcome back to that point.
But some of the benefits,obviously, I've said lower cost
of living, the mobility andfreedom.
So you can kind of like havemore flexibility where it gets
placed.
Tiny home on wheels, aka RV.
Yeah.
You know, you can move itaround.
(16:02):
Sure.
Less debt.
Sure.
That's a good thing.
We
SPEAKER_01 (16:05):
like less debt.
Less
SPEAKER_00 (16:06):
debt.
And then one of the points thatwas brought up was community
living.
I don't necessarily think thisis really a valid point because
like, yeah, there's tiny homecommunities, but there's also
things called neighborhood youknow like you don't need to have
a tiny home to have a communityliving I think I don't think
that's a valid point but thatwas one that was brought up but
if it's like a community ofpeople that
SPEAKER_01 (16:25):
are interested in the same it's like it's like
living in it's like being partof like a movie club you know
it's like you know you can justgo to any club but you know
you're in a club with the peopleof the similar thing that you
care about you know so the tinyhome neighborhood it's like you
just get to knock on your nextdoor neighbor and it's like
aren't you as excited aboutcomposting as I am right
SPEAKER_00 (16:47):
some of the challenges do still exist
there's zoning laws andregulations against it so some
cities have or many cities don'thave zoning zoning codes that
support tiny homes especiallythe mobile ones which i again
mobile mobile tiny home i stillwant to fully understand what
the difference between that surei'm sure there's a
SPEAKER_01 (17:04):
detailed breakdown if we google
SPEAKER_00 (17:05):
yeah and then sometimes getting a mortgage or
insurance for a tiny home can becan be tricky compared to like
more traditional housing
SPEAKER_01 (17:13):
yeah it's interesting we we reached out to
some of our experts that gave usthis this tidbit here about
getting a mortgage or insurancefor tiny home can be tricky but
what we don't really have awhole lot of expounding on that
why why why would you think it'sharder to get a mortgage on or
insurance for a tiny home justbecause it's like what why would
you get a mortgage for somethingthat i yeah cheap i don't know
(17:34):
it's tricky it's like i don'treally have a good answer for
that
SPEAKER_00 (17:37):
i don't know but something like a guess that i
have is it's less establishedit's a newer thing i think maybe
some people still think it's abad or a phase or whatever it's
not
SPEAKER_01 (17:47):
a good investment because people won't care about
this in
SPEAKER_00 (17:49):
10 years right yeah versus like a more traditional
sort of house or apartmentcomplex it's like those have
been around forever that's justthat's my best
SPEAKER_01 (17:56):
guess okay maybe they're more easily damageable
like I mean there's smallerbuildings like what if like you
have a bad storm or whatever andthen all of a sudden like high
winds instead of like maybedamaging your back patio instead
like high winds could damageyour your left side of your
house the entire the entire partof it
SPEAKER_00 (18:13):
no yeah that's a that's a good point for sure But
cities are getting on board.
Places like Fresno, Californiaand Texas are revising zoning
rules to allow more tiny homesto be built.
See, this makes
SPEAKER_01 (18:23):
sense for places like California that have like
population problems.
Like if you've ever been to SanFrancisco or Los Angeles, it's
just a sprawl of just likestuff.
And so it's hard to get like ahouse in those kind of places.
But if you could afford like atiny home on like a small lot.
positive
SPEAKER_00 (18:40):
yeah right and yeah according to the research some
cities are even investing inthem to combat things like
homelessness and uh and justhousing shortages so like i
think like in those areas likeyou suggested
SPEAKER_03 (18:52):
okay
SPEAKER_00 (18:52):
so who are tiny homes made for i think there's
like a few different groups ofpeople in terms of real estate
buyers yeah there's first-timebuyers it could be a good entry
into ownership right if youcan't if you can't afford like a
more expensive property butthere's a tiny home available
and you can get to start buyingthat property and renting out of
tiny home, you know, it'scertainly a good entry point or
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could be a good entry point.
Renters, obviously people whoare maybe looking to rent one
short term, even long term.
SPEAKER_01 (19:19):
Yeah, could be.
I mean, it's the vacation rentalthing again, like I said, like
that's a, that's, that's, I betthat sticks out as like a unique
vacation
SPEAKER_00 (19:26):
rental.
Yeah, no, for sure.
I mean, and just investorslooking to maybe invest in some,
some.
SPEAKER_01 (19:32):
Sure.
I would love to get to one ofour investor friends on the pod
and talk to them about this, youknow?
Yeah.
Maybe we get one of our expertskind of talk about like, Would
they?
Won't they?
What would they look for?
Is this even something that theywould?
I can't even picture where thenearest tiny home is to like.
Yeah.
You don't see them very commonlyin Cincy.
SPEAKER_00 (19:49):
Yeah.
I mean, the city.
Well, I like the idea of likebuild your own, like do it
yourself tiny home, like makethe tiny home how you would want
it to be.
This
SPEAKER_01 (19:56):
sounds like a, this sounds like a, like a live
stream we should do for therent-ish or it's like Zach and
Patrick each have 10 hours tobuild their own tiny home on a
live stream or whatever.
And the winner, what does thewinner get?
They get to live there.
They get to move into the tinyhome.
Congrats.
Oh, before you wrap up, Pat, Idid want to kind of say, I was
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curious about this.
So I Googled how many people inAmerica live in tiny homes.
Now, this is according to RubyHome, which is a source I'm not
super familiar with.
But if you had to guess, howmany tiny homes exist in the
U.S.?
Best guess.
SPEAKER_00 (20:32):
Okay, I'm going to go
SPEAKER_01 (20:33):
a million.
A million?
Yeah.
10,000 is what this websitesays.
That's it?
Estimated around 10,000 tinyhomes exist in the U.S.,
representing about.36 of allresidential listings.
That can't be right.
Is what they say.
Wow, that's not many at all.
Total residential listings.
Okay, so there might be more,but that's how many at the time
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that they did this source, howmany were listed.
So maybe people buy them andjust stay in them.
So this could be a talking pointon the fact that people will
make or buy a tiny home and staythere, but At the time of this
article's research, they onlysaw 10,000 in the U.S.
for lists.
Got it, got it, got it.
Interesting.
SPEAKER_00 (21:16):
Yeah.
Well, would you, to thelong-awaited question, would you
live in a tiny home?
SPEAKER_01 (21:21):
Me?
SPEAKER_00 (21:22):
Yeah.
No.
SPEAKER_01 (21:25):
Yeah.
No.
I appreciate the environmentalaspects of it.
I think that that's very cool.
Um, and I thought that it wasfun staying in a tiny home for a
weekend is like a uniquegetaway, like a, like a, you
know, Oh, it's cool.
It's a, but then I was like bySunday, the novelty had worn off
and I was like, I need morespace to move around.
(21:47):
Yeah.
And also, I don't mind livingwith people.
I've lived with partners,fiancees now for a long time.
I need my space.
In a tiny home, you cannot, it'snear impossible to really have
your own dedicated space.
I need a place to go to sit downand listen to music or be with
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my own thoughts and like journalor write or read a book or
whatever.
It's like, I, when you're in thecohabiting a space with someone,
even if you love and care aboutthat person a lot, it's possible
that you may clash.
It's like, that's a small spacefor two people to co-inhabit.
So me solo bachelor Zach, whoknows?
I mean, maybe he asked me thatlike 15 years ago, but like now
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definitely no, I could, Icouldn't do it just too, too
small, too confined.
I need a little bit more spaceto move what about you
SPEAKER_00 (22:36):
yeah I mean definitely long term I couldn't
do and I agree I appreciate Ikind of wish I was one of those
people that could I just don'tyou know I like I agree I like
my space I like yeah you know Ikind of like collecting things
I'm a bit of a collector that'sthe
SPEAKER_01 (22:48):
thing too is I have I have a lot of storage if I
moved
SPEAKER_00 (22:50):
into a tiny home I would have to get a storage unit
right however I could see myselfhaving a tiny home as like a, a
retreat, like weekend retreat,like a couple hours, like maybe
like more nature and just kindof like disconnect from stuff.
And like, I could see myselfbeing in that, in that position.
Patrick's
SPEAKER_01 (23:10):
like, I invested in a tiny home outside the Red
Robin.
It's my home away from home.
I wake up, I burger, I go backto bed.
I wake up, I burger, I go backto bed.
Dude, that sounds awesome.
Patrick's taking burgercation.
UNKNOWN (23:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:27):
All right, cool.
Thank you, Patrick, forinforming all of us about tiny
homes.
Folks out there, let us knowwhat you think about tiny homes
by emailing questions attherentishpod.com.
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Next up, we're going to go toReal Estate Real, and we're
going to do a quick one.
This is a super abbreviated one,and I think partly because one
of the two people on this showhas not criminally, I might add,
seen New
SPEAKER_00 (23:58):
Girl.
I've seen a couple episodes.
My girlfriend loves it.
SPEAKER_01 (24:03):
We'll get into that.
We'll get into that.
All right.
We're talking about Jess's loft.
So the apartment in New Girl,the loft apartment, if you're
familiar with the show, you'llknow exactly what we mean.
I mean, 95% of the show takesplace in their loft apartment
with, you know, all of the gangjust hanging up out there, doing
(24:24):
their shenanigans and gettinginto their, you know, fun
relationship dynamics.
I mean, clearly it's like a...
New Girl is very much like athrowback sitcom.
It reminds me a lot of Seinfeldor How I Met Your Mother or
Friends.
It's kind of in those same sortof veins where it's really just
about a couple of adults livingtogether, figuring life out as
they go along.
And that's kind of what New Girlis.
(24:45):
Love Zooey Deschanel.
I think that the show isawesome.
We'll talk about our opinions onthe show.
But yeah, we're going to explorethe sunny Los Angeles apartment
here.
One of the quirkiest, mostbeloved living spaces on
television.
It's where we watch roommatesbecome best friends.
where true American was born,and where almost nobody seemed
to have a steady job, and yetthe apartment was massive.
(25:08):
So, in the show, the loft islocated in LA's Arts District,
which is part of the downtownLA, I love this abbreviation,
DTLA, is that a commonabbreviation for downtown Los
Angeles?
Downtown LA?
The part of downtown LosAngeles, or DTLA, as it's known
by the kids.
In this show, in the show theyrefer to it as being at 8375
(25:29):
Melrose Avenue, but that is afictional address.
Just like many addresses intelevision shows, they just
totally lie.
Melrose
SPEAKER_00 (25:35):
is a real
SPEAKER_01 (25:36):
place.
It's gotta be.
It sounds right.
Well, Melrose Place was anothershow.
That was a sitcom.
But in real life, the exteriorshots were filmed at the Binford
Lofts.
Hey, throwback.
You were just doing...
Yeah, Binford Tools.
Home Improvement.
You were doing the Tim Allenthing.
Located at 837 Traction Avenuein the Arts District.
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So what is the Arts District,you might add?
Once a gritty industrial zone,the Arts district has become one
of la's coolest neighborhoodsfilled with art galleries
breweries cafes and convertedwarehouse lofts real estate fun
facts here so obviously patrickyou've seen enough new girl to
have a general understanding ofthe loft apartment
SPEAKER_00 (26:14):
yeah i have an understanding i would say of the
apartment
SPEAKER_01 (26:17):
let's give it a little
SPEAKER_00 (26:18):
descriptor for
SPEAKER_01 (26:18):
the audience
SPEAKER_00 (26:19):
right it's open it's very open
SPEAKER_01 (26:21):
open space yeah what do they call open floor plan
yeah is what they typically likethe each one of them has their
own unique bedrooms or whateverbut then it's like they have
this giant communal space inThat goes from the bedroom
hallways all the way to thewindows.
And it's just these like giantwindows, tons of natural light,
open space, like lots offurniture and rugs.
(26:42):
And I got to say, I think thatit's super homey.
I love the look of these loftplaces.
It's always, I've always thoughtit would be cool to live in a
place like this in Cincinnati.
Like you see loft apartmentslike this go for rent, sometimes
an OTR.
And it's just like, it'sbeautiful.
It's an open space.
It's warm.
It's welcoming.
SPEAKER_00 (26:59):
I like the exposed brick.
SPEAKER_01 (27:00):
Yes.
so cool love that some triviafacts though so true loft living
the binford lofts are classiclive work warehouse conversions
so think exposed brick highceilings concrete floors and
giant windows which are superpopular with creatives that's
true when i see a loft like thisi immediately think like oh you
must be a painter
SPEAKER_03 (27:19):
yeah
SPEAKER_01 (27:21):
you have an easel and you're listening to mozart
uh adaptive reuse boom um in theearly 2000s la passed an
adaptive reuse ordinance whichmakes it easier to convert
industrial buildings intoresidential spaces, transforming
neighborhoods like the ArtsDistrict.
Oh, interesting.
I didn't even think about that.
So it would probably help withthem becoming rising and
(27:42):
popular.
I remember when I was going tocollege, getting out of college,
and people started to talk aboutwhere are we going to live?
Oh, we're going to find a loft.
It was a hip thing.
I'm sure that it still is, butI'm sure that that helped it out
a lot, especially in veryindustrial places, which
Cincinnati, very industrialespecially like the west side
(28:02):
you go it's like tons ofindustrial buildings that have
just you know been run down orlike you know aren't being
totally utilized anymore i'msure people identify those kind
of places to you know put ingood lofts right um dtla
resurgence once considered toogritty downtown la has become a
hotbed of development withluxury lofts and new
construction commanding highprices so let's talk about the
(28:23):
loft real quick it's massiveright i think that's the biggest
thing especially by la standardsit's a sprawling open concept
with four What does that mean,sometimes five?
That's what I was trying tothink.
I have no idea.
I don't remember them everhaving more than four.
A fifth bedroom sometimes appearconveniently when there's a new
character.
An editing error.
(28:45):
They were like, oh, weconstructed a fifth bedroom.
But yeah, two bathrooms, a largeshared living area and kitchen,
a mezzanine, and a second floornook.
A rooftop access, often seen inlater episodes.
The unit looks like it's about2,500 to 3,000 square foot.
Wow.
For a downtown LA loft, that'spalatial.
Warehouse conversions like thisdon't often follow typical floor
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plans and rooms may be oddlyshaped or have semi-permanent
walls, but it adds that nicelittle touch that a lot of
people look for.
Okay.
Okay, do you have like, couldthey afford it?
Who?
I mean.
That's what we're about
SPEAKER_00 (29:17):
to find out.
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (29:18):
A three to four bedroom loft in the arts
district in the DTLA, as thekids say, might have gone for
about$2,500 to$3,500 a month.
That was back in 2011.
SPEAKER_00 (29:29):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (29:30):
Honestly.
Oh,
SPEAKER_00 (29:30):
that's good.
Just like when the show.
Not as
SPEAKER_01 (29:32):
much as I would have thought.
A comparable multi-bedroom loftin the Binford building or
nearby would likely rent for$6,500 to$9,000 a month.
Possibly more with rooftopaccess.
Yeah.
Buying that unit.
expect about 1.5 to 2.5 milliondollars
SPEAKER_00 (29:47):
for the unit depending on the size and the
finish and DTLA yeah that soundsabout right
SPEAKER_01 (29:54):
I don't know so could the characters afford it
well that's the thing is thatlike the intro kind of mentioned
it is that much like a lot ofother sitcoms these characters
don't keep the same jobs theyflip flop around a lot of stuff
like Winston was kind of likenot even like employed for a
while in the show like he was inschool Jess is a teacher which
we all know her criminallyunderpaid so it's like she
(30:16):
definitely was not making theamount of money to afford that
kind of monthly rent alsothey're balling out constantly
SPEAKER_03 (30:22):
yeah
SPEAKER_01 (30:22):
they're always like playing they're having parties
and going out to bars and likeoh my gosh i can't imagine their
bank accounts are in like thenegative
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
yeah
SPEAKER_01 (30:32):
like way negative
SPEAKER_00 (30:33):
what are that wait so there's five there's
SPEAKER_01 (30:36):
five of them four of them so jess jess nick schmidt
winston and coach there's likevariations of that group coach
leaves for a It's complicated.
Jess is a school teacher.
Nick, bartender most of the timeand entrepreneur.
The sweatshoot, that's one of myfavorite things is the suit that
looks like a sweat.
(30:56):
I can't, the swoot I think iswhat it's called.
He designs a suit that's madeout of sweat pant material.
And so he wears it to a jobinterview and he's like, I'm
comfortable and I'm gonna getthis job.
The swoot.
Yeah, it's great.
Schmidt is a marketing bro.
So he's probably the one that'slike shouldering most of the
rent cost in this situation.
(31:17):
Winston, LAPD officereventually, but again, he spends
a lot of the show kind of likehopping between employment.
And then Coach was a personaltrainer.
So personal trainer in LA, maybemaking a pretty penny there as
well.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Only Schmidt could afford hisshare comfortably.
The rest, not so much.
But TV logic is greater thanreal life budgeting.
SPEAKER_00 (31:36):
I just wonder how some of these shows like give
false expectations toward peoplemoving to like places like LA
and New York.
Totally.
You know, it's like
SPEAKER_01 (31:43):
you can make it too.
I don't know about that.
Some fun math here.
The LA renters are advised tospend no more than 30% of income
on rent.
So if rent is$1,600 each, Jesswould need to earn at least
$64,000 a year.
And public school teachers in LAaverage around$55,000 to$70,000.
Okay, so on the higher end ofthat, she could make it.
(32:05):
Maybe.
But even on the high end,$70,000for a teacher in Los Angeles.
Yeah.
You would assume that they wouldbe paid way more than that.
Right.
Crazy stuff.
So just to quickly wrapeverything up.
I mean, if you've seen the show,you know what it is.
I love New Girl.
You're a little bit morelukewarm about it.
You want to
SPEAKER_00 (32:25):
hit me with your New Girl?
I think lukewarm is prettygenerous.
I don't know.
Generous?
Yeah.
I don't like it at all.
To me, it's just like stinks oflike L.A.
written bake.
It's just not my thing.
L.A.
written has a smell?
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's very inauthentic to me.
I don't know.
I just don't.
I'm not a fan.
(32:45):
The show is not for me.
Okay.
You know, my girlfriend lovesit.
We found other shows that were,you know, there's a Venn diagram
middle section that we bothagree on.
And that's one that's just like,you know, every now and then
I'll watch an episode when shehas it on.
And yeah, I don't know.
I don't love it.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (33:01):
Yeah, I don't know.
Some of my favorite TV shows,especially comedies, are if you
can write really relatablecharacters that are, you know,
comedy is all about characterfor me.
It's like, it gets annoying ifit's like you have all these
wacky characters doing all thiswacky stuff but I think that the
group really balances each otherout everyone has their very
(33:23):
unique distinct personality andit plays into all the different
stories and different situationsthey find themselves in so like
personally for me I think thatthe interplay between all the
characters is what makes theshow great and it dips hard
because I love New Girl butthere is a season when Zooey
Deschanel leaves the showbecause in real life she was
pregnant and and had a baby.
(33:46):
So in the show, they replace thelead character with Megan Fox
for a season.
And it is atrocious.
Nothing against Megan Fox.
Because I've seen her in somestuff that I like.
But like, oh my god, it's bad.
It's like, it is so bad.
They probably would have beenbetter off taking a year hiatus
from the show.
But still, sitcoms gotta maketheir money.
(34:08):
And it's a network sitcom showat the time.
It wasn't like a streaming show.
So like ABC or whatever, neededto make their money off of
weekly episodes I think it mighthave been on Fox but I don't
remember but so besides that oneblemish I think it's a great
show and I think it has a greatending I think that the very
last episode of the show isactually like a very heartfelt
(34:29):
way to tie up everythingtogether and leaves you thinking
like I feel good about thesecharacters and where their lives
are gonna go from this pointokay and after spending six
seven years of being invested inthe characters I like that I
like when a show ends and I havea good taste in my mouth so
that's good I don't know new NewGirl, good show.
But yeah, I got to give aspecial shout out to Jake
Johnson as Nick, who is the bestcharacter in that show.
(34:51):
He's so freaking funny.
I love his portrayal of thatcharacter.
He's like the perfect schlub.
It's awesome.
Lazy, works when he can as abartender, but he's kind of got
that heart of gold that you justappreciate.
And I love the Schmidtcharacter.
I actually think that Schmidt islike...
He goes through the bestemotional journey in the show.
(35:12):
His description on the documenthere is marketing bro at a
high-paying firm, but he's a lotmore than that.
He ends up changing and growingand becoming a better person
over the course of the show.
I like the characters a lot.
Again, like I said, you got goodcharacters, you hook to Zach.
Okay.
But that's it.
Thank you all for listening toanother episode of The Rentish
(35:33):
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You can email questions attherentishpod.com with any topic
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Man, I flubbed that one hard.
My brain is like, my brain, youever have those sentences where
your brain is just moving fasterthan your mouth can say the
words?
That's exactly what happened.
We're your hosts for the RentishPodcast, a podcast that's kind
of about rental properties andhosted by two guys that work in
the real estate industry andsort of know what they're
talking about.
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But mostly don't.
Nailed it.
We're getting better.
It's like week by week.
We're greasing the machine.
Are we getting better or are wegetting worse with the flubs?
Moussey, are we getting better?
Producer Moussey, are we gettingbetter or are we getting worse?
SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
You guys are getting better.
Thank you.
Yeah, because I feel like beforewe would have been like, oh, we
got to redo the whole thing.
Is that how Elliot sounds?
No,
SPEAKER_01 (01:09):
that's how
SPEAKER_02 (01:09):
Patrick
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
sounds.
SPEAKER_01 (01:10):
We got to redo the whole thing, guys.
SPEAKER_00 (01:13):
Or we just don't care as much and just don't, you
know.
No,
SPEAKER_02 (01:16):
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We care a lot.
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Patrick, how are you doingtoday?
I'm good.
SPEAKER_00 (02:22):
Nothing else to report.
I'm just good.
I'm not great.
I'm not bad.
I'm good.
You're good.
Yeah, how are you?
SPEAKER_01 (02:27):
Thank you.
I was waiting for you to ask mehow I am.
Yeah, you were fishing for that.
I'm great, Patrick.
You know why I'm great?
Why are you great?
Because yesterday, two bigthings happened in the world.
Okay.
Okay, so Patrick and I are movieguys, so deal with it.
You're listening to The RentishPod.
We're going to talk about realestate, but we also love movies.
Yeah.
Yesterday, new Superman trailer.
(02:47):
James Gunn's Superman movie iscoming out July
SPEAKER_00 (02:49):
11th.
Mark your calendars.
You told me about it.
UNKNOWN (02:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:51):
It's my most anticipated movie of the year.
I've been a longtime comic bookfan, a Superman fan.
New trailer, I'm on cloud nine.
Patrick, I walk into the officetoday, I was like, Patrick is
like, I saw it, it was good.
SPEAKER_00 (03:02):
I just wanted to kick him.
I didn't watch the whole thingeither.
I just kind of skipped around alittle bit.
God, it makes me so irrationaland
SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
angry.
I can't even tell you.
How many times have you watchedit?
It was like 25 or 30.
And it
SPEAKER_00 (03:14):
came out less than 24 hours
SPEAKER_01 (03:15):
ago?
Yeah, less than 24.
No, yesterday at noon it cameout.
We're recording this on May15th.
But yeah, no, super excited.
Love the trailer.
You're into it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:24):
You saw it.
I think it looks good.
I think it looks like a funvibe.
I'm not huge on the superherotrain now, but I would go see
this one.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (03:33):
Yeah.
Cool.
SPEAKER_00 (03:34):
The other big
SPEAKER_01 (03:34):
thing, and I'm repping the t-shirt right now,
HBO flipped it back.
They're back to HBO
SPEAKER_00 (03:40):
Max
SPEAKER_01 (03:41):
instead of Just Max.
Snip, snap, snip, snap.
They went from HBO Max to Max.
To Max.
To just Max.
Yeah.
And now they're flipping it backto HBO Max.
SPEAKER_00 (03:49):
I mean, I think it definitely makes sense.
Everyone I know still called itHBO Max or HBO, whatever.
I wouldn't say I'm on cloud nineabout that.
I'm like, okay.
With a shoulder shrug.
You're wearing an HBO Max shirtright now.
SPEAKER_01 (04:03):
Well, we're back.
We are back.
So that's why I'm wearing theshirt is because we are back.
What about Pete Rose?
Pete Rose, that's right.
Yeah, Pete Rose, the band LiftIt Rose.
We're getting into sports now,too.
We say he wants to contribute.
SPEAKER_03 (04:17):
We say he's a rogue.
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
It's like, all right, now we're going to talk
about sports with some guy thatreally likes sports and then
this guy that doesn't
SPEAKER_00 (04:25):
know anything.
I love the sport balls.
SPEAKER_01 (04:26):
You went to your first baseball game
SPEAKER_00 (04:28):
ever on Pete Rose.
I've been to a ClevelandGuardians game.
I went to my first CincinnatiReds game.
Got it.
So it's not your first
SPEAKER_01 (04:36):
baseball game.
It was your first Reds
SPEAKER_00 (04:38):
game.
Yeah.
Did you have a good time?
It's just like a bucket list.
Okay.
I'll put it this way.
I am glad that I went.
This guy is about to say somecrap.
I'm glad that I went.
SPEAKER_01 (04:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:50):
So I can say I've gone.
Okay.
Yeah.
No.
I have no– yeah.
We'll leave it at that.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
You told us you hated the hot dogs.
SPEAKER_00 (04:58):
Well, it was, it was like$2 hot dog night.
So I had four, I didn't havefour hot dogs, but like, I'm a
big hot dog guy for ourlisteners who don't know.
And they were just like, weren'tgood.
you know yeah they're not goodthe ballpark
SPEAKER_01 (05:11):
dogs I've never had a bad ballpark dog at the Great
American Ballpark
SPEAKER_00 (05:15):
they're not like I ate four obviously so clearly
they were good enough for me toeat four but like they weren't
good you know
SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
maybe it was because they were doing the cheap hot
dog night they were mass makingthem way more than they do the
typical because when I get in ona typical like I go to a
baseball game to get a hot dogit's like super hot fresh out of
the thing all the toppings thebun is fluffy come on now wasn't
it good He's just laughing at mydescription of a hot dog.
SPEAKER_00 (05:40):
Yeah.
I will say that was not the casewith these hot dogs.
Like I would personally, likepeople are saying like, Oh, it's
like$2 dog night.
It's like, no, I would ratherjust go to a, to a hot dog shop
and eat like really good hotdogs and then not have to watch
baseball.
SPEAKER_01 (05:56):
All right.
Well, okay.
Shout out to the Reds.
I love Great American Ball.
Officially eliminated Redsyesterday with their loss to the
White Sox.
Eliminated from playoffcontention.
So, another year.
Already?
Yep, already.
But we're not going to hear totalk about sports and or
Superman and or Warner BrothersMedia.
(06:16):
Although that might be whatsounds like, hey, if you enjoy
that stuff, you know, hey, we'rehere for you.
But today we're going to talkabout some fun real estate
topics.
We're going to cover tiny homesin the United States.
Patrick's got some fun stuff totalk with That's about tiny
homes.
And then we're going to talkabout real, what is it called?
Real estate real.
SPEAKER_00 (06:36):
Real
SPEAKER_01 (06:37):
estate real.
Film Reel, R-E-E-L, where we'regoing to talk about famous movie
television properties, and we'regoing to talk about the loft
from New Girl.
So, yeah, we're going to getright on into it, Patrick.
You got some things to sharewith me about tiny homes.
Tiny
SPEAKER_00 (06:52):
homes.
We're going to be talking aboutwhat they are, why people are
turning to them, how they changethe way we think about space,
affordability, andsustainability in real estate.
Okay.
Tiny Homes 101.
What are they?
Zach, do you have a guess as towhat a tiny home is?
SPEAKER_01 (07:07):
Well, I don't know.
I don't need to guess because Ilived it.
You lived it?
I've stayed in a tiny home.
When did
SPEAKER_00 (07:15):
you stay in a
SPEAKER_01 (07:15):
tiny home?
It was years ago.
It was probably when that crazewas first getting going or at
least when I first heard aboutit.
I stayed at an Airbnb inAsheville, North Carolina.
It was a tiny home.
It looked like a shippingcontainer kind of house or
whatever, but not like a barndominium like we talked about on
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that one episode.
Thank you.
you but it was it was literallya tiny home it was one door you
walk you could see the back ofthe house from the front door
all the stuff just kind ofsquished into the in the middle
of the of the house so i'vestayed in one before it was just
like a it was like a weekendairbnb thing gotcha yeah so it's
a small house i'm so yeah tinyhome tiny home equals small
(07:59):
house it's not a tough questionno i think tiny home just has
better search engine seo than uh
SPEAKER_00 (08:05):
friggin little small small house small house it
SPEAKER_01 (08:07):
sounds better to say tiny home than to say small
house.
SPEAKER_00 (08:11):
Yeah.
I've never stayed in a tinyhome.
I would like to one of thesedays.
I've stayed in like an RV.
My grandparents have an RV.
I don't know.
That's not really the samething.
It's kind of a similar sort of,in terms of like the layout,
like compact.
SPEAKER_01 (08:24):
Similar, but that's like a place that's mobile.
The idea of a tiny home is thatit's completely stationary.
You build it up and that's yourhouse.
SPEAKER_00 (08:33):
Right, right, right.
Well, some of them, I mean, inthis article talking about
mobile tiny homes on wheels butI'm just like that to me just
seems like an RV I don't knowyeah it's just like
SPEAKER_01 (08:42):
we're just dancing around the fact that you
basically have an RV you justdon't want to call it an RV you
just want to call it a tiny home
SPEAKER_00 (08:48):
but yeah a tiny home compact living space it's
typically under 400 square feetthat's kind of like the size I
saw as like what would beconsidered a tiny home right and
obviously like the design of atiny home is to maximize
function and minimize footprintso like make get everything you
need out of a home as likesquare in compact of an area as
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possible.
So typically between 100 and 400square feet, they can be custom
built, DIY, or prefabricated.
So I know, like I saw this thinga while ago on the internet.
It's just like, it's like a, themodel T of tiny homes.
It's just kind of like factorymade, like tiny homes.
I don't know.
I don't remember like whatcompany was doing it.
Um, but there's also like, youknow, custom made tiny homes
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here to what you want.
Um, basically they got toinclude a kitchen bathroom, a
sleeping area, and a minimal,like living space in the place
for you to keep your, yourclothes and anything that you,
that you might need.
Right.
Obviously without access.
Right.
I don't think my Blu-raycollection would be able to fit
in a tiny home, for example.
SPEAKER_01 (09:52):
I like that that's your primary concern, whether or
not you would live in a tinyhome.
Should we talk about that now,of the would you or would you
not live in a tiny home, or doyou want to save that until
later?
We can
SPEAKER_00 (10:01):
save that
SPEAKER_01 (10:01):
toward
SPEAKER_00 (10:02):
the end, because I'm going to bring up some of the
pros and cons of tiny homes, andthen we can discuss whether we
would live in them.
But first, where are tiny homes?
They can kind of be anywhere.
Where are they?
They can be in urban...
backyards or rural plots.
There's even tiny homecommunities.
I don't know if you've seen anyof these, like a community of
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just a bunch of tiny
SPEAKER_03 (10:23):
homes.
SPEAKER_00 (10:24):
Yeah, no, they exist.
I know I've got a friend whostayed in Hocking Hills,
actually.
SPEAKER_01 (10:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've seen those online manytimes.
It's like, want a nice littleplace, like a home away from
home and a weekend visit toHocking Hills?
Yeah, they've got the littletiny homes there and they're
super modern and luxurious.
They're trying to make it like apremium hotel room, basically.
Yeah.
So
SPEAKER_00 (10:49):
why
SPEAKER_01 (10:49):
are
SPEAKER_00 (10:49):
they popular?
So there's a couple reasons.
I mean, one of the big ones iswith the average home prices
topping upwards of$400,000 inthe US, tiny homes...
Much more affordable.
Usually priced between$30,000and$100,000.
So obviously way, way moreaffordable to the average
person.
So it's an accessible pathtowards home ownership when some
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folks might not otherwise beable to have that as easily.
Another reason it's popular isthe simplicity and minimalism.
Minimalism is of it.
Is that the right word?
Minimalism?
SPEAKER_01 (11:23):
Minimalism.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (11:25):
that's right.
I think I was trying to think ofminimalization, but that's not
SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
a word.
Minimalistic.
Minimal.
Minimalistic is the adjective.
Minimalist would be the person.
SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
Yes.
So minimalists who want topractice minimalistic minimalism
might want a
SPEAKER_01 (11:40):
tiny home.
That should be the title of thisepisode.
Minimalists who want to practiceminimalistic tendencies to be
minimal.
SPEAKER_00 (11:48):
Well, I mean, in the age that we live in, we're at a
hyper-consumerist, materialisticsort of age.
And I think some people arecraving those simpler
lifestyles, having less clutter,even less less utility bills and
like just less things to likepay for and have and keep up
with.
So obviously tiny homesscratches that itch for those
people.
Yeah.
And also, I mean, like you said,it kind of exploded.
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What was like 2018, 2019, maybe
SPEAKER_01 (12:13):
when I stayed in a tiny home was like 2017, but I
probably first heard of themwhen I was in high school.
Okay.
Yeah.
Maybe it was a
SPEAKER_00 (12:18):
little earlier than I thought.
Um, but like on social media andthere's like shows like tiny
house nation, uh, never heard oftrends on Tik TOK, Instagram,
the, all their, all the socialmedia, The hip
SPEAKER_01 (12:30):
socials that the kids are using.
The kids are using.
Is the, producing me to say, isthe rent-ish on TikTok yet?
SPEAKER_02 (12:36):
No, it's
SPEAKER_01 (12:36):
not.
We got to start practicing likeTikTok trend dances and have
Patrick do them.
It will be like dancing.
To promote the episodes.
SPEAKER_00 (12:44):
I don't think our listeners saw that.
But okay, let's talk about thefunctionality a little bit.
So one of the big components ofa tiny home is smart design.
So every inch matters.
So in a tiny home, when you'retrying to maximize functionality
in as small of a space aspossible, things like like fold
out beds, hidden storage, loftedbeds and sleeping areas.
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Tiny homes are like, I don'tknow if like when I see the
inside of a tiny home, sometimesI'm like, I'm like, how do you
fit in this small of a space?
But then I get the little tour.
It's like, oh, this folds out.
This has, you know, which iskind of cool.
I mean, it's kind of like,what's that?
What's that?
Like, it's like a Lego set on.
Maybe that's not the word I'mlooking for.
You know, like something whereit's like, it's everything is
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like so perfectly designed.
SPEAKER_01 (13:27):
Sure.
Yeah.
I mean, like a diorama orsomething like that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:29):
Yeah.
yeah maybe that's that's whatI'm looking for sustainability a
lot of tiny homes on top ofbeing just compact have
sustainability tactics to makethem as as inexpensive as
possible and maybe asundependent I guess independent
not dependent on like externalthings like things like solar
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panels are really popular withtiny homes yeah obviously
there's not as much power in atiny home but you you guys a
tiny home with solar panels it'slike self-sufficient maybe
that's the word I was like
SPEAKER_01 (14:03):
yeah I mean we'll get to this when we talk about
like our opinions on if we livein these or not but I do have to
give a shout out to thesustainability aspect for sure
like I think that that is verycool the idea of like I don't
need this gigantic house withthree four bedrooms that cost X
amount of dollars to heat up andstay cool in the summertime and
it's like I you know I can havethis small little box that holds
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myself and maybe a significantother and maybe some cherished
possessions, but yeah, I don'tknow.
It's very cool.
SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
No, it is cool.
And then, and you know, and alot of them have like things
like composting toilets andeco-friendly materials and stuff
like that.
The last kind of point with tinyhomes is the flexible living
options.
So I think a common thing, like,you know, as you've said, and I
alluded to with the Hawk andKills thing is, is kind of like
short-term rentals.
I think tiny homes are prettypopular in the short-term rental
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sort of atmosphere where likesome people might not want to
full-time live there, but it'slike, oh, cool.
I get to have this kind ofexperience for for a week, kind
of like living maybe a littleoff-grid with all my stuff, but
still have everything I need.
I think it's popular there.
Also, I mean, some peoplefull-time live there.
It's got that sort of livingoption.
SPEAKER_01 (15:11):
And the concept of, like I said, my experience with
staying at a tiny home was in anAirbnb.
So the short-term rentalinvestment sort of aspect is
strong.
Or it could be strong.
We'll kind of talk into thepopularity of this
SPEAKER_00 (15:25):
stuff.
Right.
And one I kind of just thoughtof is maybe like a vacation home
i don't know if that's the rightword to use but it's not like
it's something that you like ownyou know and but it's not like
your primary residence rightlike you know tiny home in the
woods i think that was that'sprobably something that's pretty
popular do
SPEAKER_01 (15:40):
you think so yeah i think
SPEAKER_00 (15:41):
i would think yeah i mean not to spoiler alert uh
we'll get to we'll get We'llcome back to that point.
But some of the benefits,obviously, I've said lower cost
of living, the mobility andfreedom.
So you can kind of like havemore flexibility where it gets
placed.
Tiny home on wheels, aka RV.
Yeah.
You know, you can move itaround.
(16:02):
Sure.
Less debt.
Sure.
That's a good thing.
We
SPEAKER_01 (16:05):
like less debt.
Less
SPEAKER_00 (16:06):
debt.
And then one of the points thatwas brought up was community
living.
I don't necessarily think thisis really a valid point because
like, yeah, there's tiny homecommunities, but there's also
things called neighborhood youknow like you don't need to have
a tiny home to have a communityliving I think I don't think
that's a valid point but thatwas one that was brought up but
if it's like a community ofpeople that
SPEAKER_01 (16:25):
are interested in the same it's like it's like
living in it's like being partof like a movie club you know
it's like you know you can justgo to any club but you know
you're in a club with the peopleof the similar thing that you
care about you know so the tinyhome neighborhood it's like you
just get to knock on your nextdoor neighbor and it's like
aren't you as excited aboutcomposting as I am right
SPEAKER_00 (16:47):
some of the challenges do still exist
there's zoning laws andregulations against it so some
cities have or many cities don'thave zoning zoning codes that
support tiny homes especiallythe mobile ones which i again
mobile mobile tiny home i stillwant to fully understand what
the difference between that surei'm sure there's a
SPEAKER_01 (17:04):
detailed breakdown if we google
SPEAKER_00 (17:05):
yeah and then sometimes getting a mortgage or
insurance for a tiny home can becan be tricky compared to like
more traditional housing
SPEAKER_01 (17:13):
yeah it's interesting we we reached out to
some of our experts that gave usthis this tidbit here about
getting a mortgage or insurancefor tiny home can be tricky but
what we don't really have awhole lot of expounding on that
why why why would you think it'sharder to get a mortgage on or
insurance for a tiny home justbecause it's like what why would
you get a mortgage for somethingthat i yeah cheap i don't know
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it's tricky it's like i don'treally have a good answer for
that
SPEAKER_00 (17:37):
i don't know but something like a guess that i
have is it's less establishedit's a newer thing i think maybe
some people still think it's abad or a phase or whatever it's
not
SPEAKER_01 (17:47):
a good investment because people won't care about
this in
SPEAKER_00 (17:49):
10 years right yeah versus like a more traditional
sort of house or apartmentcomplex it's like those have
been around forever that's justthat's my best
SPEAKER_01 (17:56):
guess okay maybe they're more easily damageable
like I mean there's smallerbuildings like what if like you
have a bad storm or whatever andthen all of a sudden like high
winds instead of like maybedamaging your back patio instead
like high winds could damageyour your left side of your
house the entire the entire partof it
SPEAKER_00 (18:13):
no yeah that's a that's a good point for sure But
cities are getting on board.
Places like Fresno, Californiaand Texas are revising zoning
rules to allow more tiny homesto be built.
See, this makes
SPEAKER_01 (18:23):
sense for places like California that have like
population problems.
Like if you've ever been to SanFrancisco or Los Angeles, it's
just a sprawl of just likestuff.
And so it's hard to get like ahouse in those kind of places.
But if you could afford like atiny home on like a small lot.
positive
SPEAKER_00 (18:40):
yeah right and yeah according to the research some
cities are even investing inthem to combat things like
homelessness and uh and justhousing shortages so like i
think like in those areas likeyou suggested
SPEAKER_03 (18:52):
okay
SPEAKER_00 (18:52):
so who are tiny homes made for i think there's
like a few different groups ofpeople in terms of real estate
buyers yeah there's first-timebuyers it could be a good entry
into ownership right if youcan't if you can't afford like a
more expensive property butthere's a tiny home available
and you can get to start buyingthat property and renting out of
tiny home, you know, it'scertainly a good entry point or
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could be a good entry point.
Renters, obviously people whoare maybe looking to rent one
short term, even long term.
SPEAKER_01 (19:19):
Yeah, could be.
I mean, it's the vacation rentalthing again, like I said, like
that's a, that's, that's, I betthat sticks out as like a unique
vacation
SPEAKER_00 (19:26):
rental.
Yeah, no, for sure.
I mean, and just investorslooking to maybe invest in some,
some.
SPEAKER_01 (19:32):
Sure.
I would love to get to one ofour investor friends on the pod
and talk to them about this, youknow?
Yeah.
Maybe we get one of our expertskind of talk about like, Would
they?
Won't they?
What would they look for?
Is this even something that theywould?
I can't even picture where thenearest tiny home is to like.
Yeah.
You don't see them very commonlyin Cincy.
SPEAKER_00 (19:49):
Yeah.
I mean, the city.
Well, I like the idea of likebuild your own, like do it
yourself tiny home, like makethe tiny home how you would want
it to be.
This
SPEAKER_01 (19:56):
sounds like a, this sounds like a, like a live
stream we should do for therent-ish or it's like Zach and
Patrick each have 10 hours tobuild their own tiny home on a
live stream or whatever.
And the winner, what does thewinner get?
They get to live there.
They get to move into the tinyhome.
Congrats.
Oh, before you wrap up, Pat, Idid want to kind of say, I was
(20:17):
curious about this.
So I Googled how many people inAmerica live in tiny homes.
Now, this is according to RubyHome, which is a source I'm not
super familiar with.
But if you had to guess, howmany tiny homes exist in the
U.S.?
Best guess.
SPEAKER_00 (20:32):
Okay, I'm going to go
SPEAKER_01 (20:33):
a million.
A million?
Yeah.
10,000 is what this websitesays.
That's it?
Estimated around 10,000 tinyhomes exist in the U.S.,
representing about.36 of allresidential listings.
That can't be right.
Is what they say.
Wow, that's not many at all.
Total residential listings.
Okay, so there might be more,but that's how many at the time
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that they did this source, howmany were listed.
So maybe people buy them andjust stay in them.
So this could be a talking pointon the fact that people will
make or buy a tiny home and staythere, but At the time of this
article's research, they onlysaw 10,000 in the U.S.
for lists.
Got it, got it, got it.
Interesting.
SPEAKER_00 (21:16):
Yeah.
Well, would you, to thelong-awaited question, would you
live in a tiny home?
SPEAKER_01 (21:21):
Me?
SPEAKER_00 (21:22):
Yeah.
No.
SPEAKER_01 (21:25):
Yeah.
No.
I appreciate the environmentalaspects of it.
I think that that's very cool.
Um, and I thought that it wasfun staying in a tiny home for a
weekend is like a uniquegetaway, like a, like a, you
know, Oh, it's cool.
It's a, but then I was like bySunday, the novelty had worn off
and I was like, I need morespace to move around.
(21:47):
Yeah.
And also, I don't mind livingwith people.
I've lived with partners,fiancees now for a long time.
I need my space.
In a tiny home, you cannot, it'snear impossible to really have
your own dedicated space.
I need a place to go to sit downand listen to music or be with
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my own thoughts and like journalor write or read a book or
whatever.
It's like, I, when you're in thecohabiting a space with someone,
even if you love and care aboutthat person a lot, it's possible
that you may clash.
It's like, that's a small spacefor two people to co-inhabit.
So me solo bachelor Zach, whoknows?
I mean, maybe he asked me thatlike 15 years ago, but like now
(22:31):
definitely no, I could, Icouldn't do it just too, too
small, too confined.
I need a little bit more spaceto move what about you
SPEAKER_00 (22:36):
yeah I mean definitely long term I couldn't
do and I agree I appreciate Ikind of wish I was one of those
people that could I just don'tyou know I like I agree I like
my space I like yeah you know Ikind of like collecting things
I'm a bit of a collector that'sthe
SPEAKER_01 (22:48):
thing too is I have I have a lot of storage if I
moved
SPEAKER_00 (22:50):
into a tiny home I would have to get a storage unit
right however I could see myselfhaving a tiny home as like a, a
retreat, like weekend retreat,like a couple hours, like maybe
like more nature and just kindof like disconnect from stuff.
And like, I could see myselfbeing in that, in that position.
Patrick's
SPEAKER_01 (23:10):
like, I invested in a tiny home outside the Red
Robin.
It's my home away from home.
I wake up, I burger, I go backto bed.
I wake up, I burger, I go backto bed.
Dude, that sounds awesome.
Patrick's taking burgercation.
UNKNOWN (23:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:27):
All right, cool.
Thank you, Patrick, forinforming all of us about tiny
homes.
Folks out there, let us knowwhat you think about tiny homes
by emailing questions attherentishpod.com.
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Next up, we're going to go toReal Estate Real, and we're
going to do a quick one.
This is a super abbreviated one,and I think partly because one
of the two people on this showhas not criminally, I might add,
seen New
SPEAKER_00 (23:58):
Girl.
I've seen a couple episodes.
My girlfriend loves it.
SPEAKER_01 (24:03):
We'll get into that.
We'll get into that.
All right.
We're talking about Jess's loft.
So the apartment in New Girl,the loft apartment, if you're
familiar with the show, you'llknow exactly what we mean.
I mean, 95% of the show takesplace in their loft apartment
with, you know, all of the gangjust hanging up out there, doing
(24:24):
their shenanigans and gettinginto their, you know, fun
relationship dynamics.
I mean, clearly it's like a...
New Girl is very much like athrowback sitcom.
It reminds me a lot of Seinfeldor How I Met Your Mother or
Friends.
It's kind of in those same sortof veins where it's really just
about a couple of adults livingtogether, figuring life out as
they go along.
And that's kind of what New Girlis.
(24:45):
Love Zooey Deschanel.
I think that the show isawesome.
We'll talk about our opinions onthe show.
But yeah, we're going to explorethe sunny Los Angeles apartment
here.
One of the quirkiest, mostbeloved living spaces on
television.
It's where we watch roommatesbecome best friends.
where true American was born,and where almost nobody seemed
to have a steady job, and yetthe apartment was massive.
(25:08):
So, in the show, the loft islocated in LA's Arts District,
which is part of the downtownLA, I love this abbreviation,
DTLA, is that a commonabbreviation for downtown Los
Angeles?
Downtown LA?
The part of downtown LosAngeles, or DTLA, as it's known
by the kids.
In this show, in the show theyrefer to it as being at 8375
(25:29):
Melrose Avenue, but that is afictional address.
Just like many addresses intelevision shows, they just
totally lie.
Melrose
SPEAKER_00 (25:35):
is a real
SPEAKER_01 (25:36):
place.
It's gotta be.
It sounds right.
Well, Melrose Place was anothershow.
That was a sitcom.
But in real life, the exteriorshots were filmed at the Binford
Lofts.
Hey, throwback.
You were just doing...
Yeah, Binford Tools.
Home Improvement.
You were doing the Tim Allenthing.
Located at 837 Traction Avenuein the Arts District.
(25:56):
So what is the Arts District,you might add?
Once a gritty industrial zone,the Arts district has become one
of la's coolest neighborhoodsfilled with art galleries
breweries cafes and convertedwarehouse lofts real estate fun
facts here so obviously patrickyou've seen enough new girl to
have a general understanding ofthe loft apartment
SPEAKER_00 (26:14):
yeah i have an understanding i would say of the
apartment
SPEAKER_01 (26:17):
let's give it a little
SPEAKER_00 (26:18):
descriptor for
SPEAKER_01 (26:18):
the audience
SPEAKER_00 (26:19):
right it's open it's very open
SPEAKER_01 (26:21):
open space yeah what do they call open floor plan
yeah is what they typically likethe each one of them has their
own unique bedrooms or whateverbut then it's like they have
this giant communal space inThat goes from the bedroom
hallways all the way to thewindows.
And it's just these like giantwindows, tons of natural light,
open space, like lots offurniture and rugs.
(26:42):
And I got to say, I think thatit's super homey.
I love the look of these loftplaces.
It's always, I've always thoughtit would be cool to live in a
place like this in Cincinnati.
Like you see loft apartmentslike this go for rent, sometimes
an OTR.
And it's just like, it'sbeautiful.
It's an open space.
It's warm.
It's welcoming.
SPEAKER_00 (26:59):
I like the exposed brick.
SPEAKER_01 (27:00):
Yes.
so cool love that some triviafacts though so true loft living
the binford lofts are classiclive work warehouse conversions
so think exposed brick highceilings concrete floors and
giant windows which are superpopular with creatives that's
true when i see a loft like thisi immediately think like oh you
must be a painter
SPEAKER_03 (27:19):
yeah
SPEAKER_01 (27:21):
you have an easel and you're listening to mozart
uh adaptive reuse boom um in theearly 2000s la passed an
adaptive reuse ordinance whichmakes it easier to convert
industrial buildings intoresidential spaces, transforming
neighborhoods like the ArtsDistrict.
Oh, interesting.
I didn't even think about that.
So it would probably help withthem becoming rising and
(27:42):
popular.
I remember when I was going tocollege, getting out of college,
and people started to talk aboutwhere are we going to live?
Oh, we're going to find a loft.
It was a hip thing.
I'm sure that it still is, butI'm sure that that helped it out
a lot, especially in veryindustrial places, which
Cincinnati, very industrialespecially like the west side
(28:02):
you go it's like tons ofindustrial buildings that have
just you know been run down orlike you know aren't being
totally utilized anymore i'msure people identify those kind
of places to you know put ingood lofts right um dtla
resurgence once considered toogritty downtown la has become a
hotbed of development withluxury lofts and new
construction commanding highprices so let's talk about the
(28:23):
loft real quick it's massiveright i think that's the biggest
thing especially by la standardsit's a sprawling open concept
with four What does that mean,sometimes five?
That's what I was trying tothink.
I have no idea.
I don't remember them everhaving more than four.
A fifth bedroom sometimes appearconveniently when there's a new
character.
An editing error.
(28:45):
They were like, oh, weconstructed a fifth bedroom.
But yeah, two bathrooms, a largeshared living area and kitchen,
a mezzanine, and a second floornook.
A rooftop access, often seen inlater episodes.
The unit looks like it's about2,500 to 3,000 square foot.
Wow.
For a downtown LA loft, that'spalatial.
Warehouse conversions like thisdon't often follow typical floor
(29:07):
plans and rooms may be oddlyshaped or have semi-permanent
walls, but it adds that nicelittle touch that a lot of
people look for.
Okay.
Okay, do you have like, couldthey afford it?
Who?
I mean.
That's what we're about
SPEAKER_00 (29:17):
to find out.
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (29:18):
A three to four bedroom loft in the arts
district in the DTLA, as thekids say, might have gone for
about$2,500 to$3,500 a month.
That was back in 2011.
SPEAKER_00 (29:29):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (29:30):
Honestly.
Oh,
SPEAKER_00 (29:30):
that's good.
Just like when the show.
Not as
SPEAKER_01 (29:32):
much as I would have thought.
A comparable multi-bedroom loftin the Binford building or
nearby would likely rent for$6,500 to$9,000 a month.
Possibly more with rooftopaccess.
Yeah.
Buying that unit.
expect about 1.5 to 2.5 milliondollars
SPEAKER_00 (29:47):
for the unit depending on the size and the
finish and DTLA yeah that soundsabout right
SPEAKER_01 (29:54):
I don't know so could the characters afford it
well that's the thing is thatlike the intro kind of mentioned
it is that much like a lot ofother sitcoms these characters
don't keep the same jobs theyflip flop around a lot of stuff
like Winston was kind of likenot even like employed for a
while in the show like he was inschool Jess is a teacher which
we all know her criminallyunderpaid so it's like she
(30:16):
definitely was not making theamount of money to afford that
kind of monthly rent alsothey're balling out constantly
SPEAKER_03 (30:22):
yeah
SPEAKER_01 (30:22):
they're always like playing they're having parties
and going out to bars and likeoh my gosh i can't imagine their
bank accounts are in like thenegative
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
yeah
SPEAKER_01 (30:32):
like way negative
SPEAKER_00 (30:33):
what are that wait so there's five there's
SPEAKER_01 (30:36):
five of them four of them so jess jess nick schmidt
winston and coach there's likevariations of that group coach
leaves for a It's complicated.
Jess is a school teacher.
Nick, bartender most of the timeand entrepreneur.
The sweatshoot, that's one of myfavorite things is the suit that
looks like a sweat.
(30:56):
I can't, the swoot I think iswhat it's called.
He designs a suit that's madeout of sweat pant material.
And so he wears it to a jobinterview and he's like, I'm
comfortable and I'm gonna getthis job.
The swoot.
Yeah, it's great.
Schmidt is a marketing bro.
So he's probably the one that'slike shouldering most of the
rent cost in this situation.
(31:17):
Winston, LAPD officereventually, but again, he spends
a lot of the show kind of likehopping between employment.
And then Coach was a personaltrainer.
So personal trainer in LA, maybemaking a pretty penny there as
well.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Only Schmidt could afford hisshare comfortably.
The rest, not so much.
But TV logic is greater thanreal life budgeting.
SPEAKER_00 (31:36):
I just wonder how some of these shows like give
false expectations toward peoplemoving to like places like LA
and New York.
Totally.
You know, it's like
SPEAKER_01 (31:43):
you can make it too.
I don't know about that.
Some fun math here.
The LA renters are advised tospend no more than 30% of income
on rent.
So if rent is$1,600 each, Jesswould need to earn at least
$64,000 a year.
And public school teachers in LAaverage around$55,000 to$70,000.
Okay, so on the higher end ofthat, she could make it.
(32:05):
Maybe.
But even on the high end,$70,000for a teacher in Los Angeles.
Yeah.
You would assume that they wouldbe paid way more than that.
Right.
Crazy stuff.
So just to quickly wrapeverything up.
I mean, if you've seen the show,you know what it is.
I love New Girl.
You're a little bit morelukewarm about it.
You want to
SPEAKER_00 (32:25):
hit me with your New Girl?
I think lukewarm is prettygenerous.
I don't know.
Generous?
Yeah.
I don't like it at all.
To me, it's just like stinks oflike L.A.
written bake.
It's just not my thing.
L.A.
written has a smell?
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's very inauthentic to me.
I don't know.
I just don't.
I'm not a fan.
(32:45):
The show is not for me.
Okay.
You know, my girlfriend lovesit.
We found other shows that were,you know, there's a Venn diagram
middle section that we bothagree on.
And that's one that's just like,you know, every now and then
I'll watch an episode when shehas it on.
And yeah, I don't know.
I don't love it.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (33:01):
Yeah, I don't know.
Some of my favorite TV shows,especially comedies, are if you
can write really relatablecharacters that are, you know,
comedy is all about characterfor me.
It's like, it gets annoying ifit's like you have all these
wacky characters doing all thiswacky stuff but I think that the
group really balances each otherout everyone has their very
(33:23):
unique distinct personality andit plays into all the different
stories and different situationsthey find themselves in so like
personally for me I think thatthe interplay between all the
characters is what makes theshow great and it dips hard
because I love New Girl butthere is a season when Zooey
Deschanel leaves the showbecause in real life she was
pregnant and and had a baby.
(33:46):
So in the show, they replace thelead character with Megan Fox
for a season.
And it is atrocious.
Nothing against Megan Fox.
Because I've seen her in somestuff that I like.
But like, oh my god, it's bad.
It's like, it is so bad.
They probably would have beenbetter off taking a year hiatus
from the show.
But still, sitcoms gotta maketheir money.
(34:08):
And it's a network sitcom showat the time.
It wasn't like a streaming show.
So like ABC or whatever, neededto make their money off of
weekly episodes I think it mighthave been on Fox but I don't
remember but so besides that oneblemish I think it's a great
show and I think it has a greatending I think that the very
last episode of the show isactually like a very heartfelt
(34:29):
way to tie up everythingtogether and leaves you thinking
like I feel good about thesecharacters and where their lives
are gonna go from this pointokay and after spending six
seven years of being invested inthe characters I like that I
like when a show ends and I havea good taste in my mouth so
that's good I don't know new NewGirl, good show.
But yeah, I got to give aspecial shout out to Jake
Johnson as Nick, who is the bestcharacter in that show.
(34:51):
He's so freaking funny.
I love his portrayal of thatcharacter.
He's like the perfect schlub.
It's awesome.
Lazy, works when he can as abartender, but he's kind of got
that heart of gold that you justappreciate.
And I love the Schmidtcharacter.
I actually think that Schmidt islike...
He goes through the bestemotional journey in the show.
(35:12):
His description on the documenthere is marketing bro at a
high-paying firm, but he's a lotmore than that.
He ends up changing and growingand becoming a better person
over the course of the show.
I like the characters a lot.
Again, like I said, you got goodcharacters, you hook to Zach.
Okay.
But that's it.
Thank you all for listening toanother episode of The Rentish
(35:33):
Pod.
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