May 21, 2025 • 33 mins
What if your financial stress isn’t just about dollars—it was about identity?
In this powerful episode of The Rev Rx Podcast, Chad Potts sits down with author Heather Day to talk about her new book Money and Spirit. From her roots as a pastor’s kid to navigating real-life financial tension in her marriage, Heather shares how God met her in the mess—and started writing a new story.
They unpack:
Why your identity in Christ is the foundation of financial peace
The danger of trying to “buy your worth”
The biblical invitation to daily surrender
How God provides—not always with more, but always with enough
What the fruit of the Spirit has to do with your bank account
This isn’t a prosperity gospel pitch.
It’s an honest look at what happens when you trust God with everything—including your money.
Resources Mentioned:
Heather’s book: Money and Spirit
[Order with 20% off at indiepubs.com using code MJA20]Connect with Heather: [heatherday.net] or search “Heather Day” on Facebook
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Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Rev RX
Podcast where we show you how tothrive in faith, family, and
health. My name is Chad Potts, and I'm
your host today. I'm so excited to dig into a
topic that a lot of us seem to segregate from the rest of our
lives. And that topic is finances.
But the superpower that our special guest today has is in
integrating those finances with our faith.
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A matter of fact, she's written a book called Money and Spirit,
Surrendering our finances to thework of the Holy Spirit.
You're going to love this conversation about bringing
faith, inviting God into every aspect of our lives, including
our finances, and how that's thekey to true and lasting wealth.
So without further ado, I introduce to you my friend
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Heather Day. Heather, thank you so much for
joining us today on the Rev RX Podcast.
What a privilege it is to have you here on the show.
I am so glad to be here. Thanks for the invitation.
Yeah, sure. I followed your work for a
little while. We connected and I started
looking at some of the content that's coming out of your new
book and I'm so excited to dive into that today because man, we
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need to hear the message that you have written about in the
church and and really everywhere.
But before we jump into that, I'd love to just hear a little
more about you. Can you introduce yourself to
our listeners and just let them get to know you a little better?
Yeah, sure. My name is Heather Day.
I'm director of marketing at Barnabas Foundation.
But I'm also I'm a mom, I'm a wife, and I'm a leader in my
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local church. I grew up in the church.
My dad's a Nazarene pastor. We discovered along the way that
we have that connection. Very cool.
But my dad's a Nazarene pastor, my mom's also in ministry.
So I have grown up in the churchall my life.
I've never known a time when I didn't know that Jesus loved me.
And I've my faith has evolved over the years, but the older I
grow, the the more, the sweeter that relationship is.
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I think that's an old him. But but yeah, just God is good
and and I'm glad to be here and sharing the hope I found in him.
Yeah, I love what you said you've never known a time when
you didn't know Jesus loved you And man, what a powerful
testimony that is. And and that's really the hope
of of raising our our kids in Christ, isn't it that, you know,
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we lots of people have all thesetremendous testimonies about how
God really turned their life around.
And sometimes us that has grown up in the church, we don't
really have those, you know, life changing times.
But there's a there is really something valuable about being
able to say as as long as I lookback all the memories I have,
I've always known Jesus loved me.
Absolutely. That's such an incredible way to
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put that. So thanks for sharing that with
us. Now you have this book this come
out and I want to talk about that and it deals with something
that really some people kind of shy away from even in the
church, You know, there's not a lot of not a lot of giving about
finances, but yet the Bible talks so much about money.
And so you've kind of married this concept between being
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financially responsible and the fruit of the spirit.
And I'm really excited to hear about that.
So what led you to write the book?
What was the motivation behind that?
And then we'll kind of go from there.
Yeah, So. So as I mentioned, I work for
Barnabas Foundation. We help generous Christians give
to their church and other favorite ministries.
And I think it was about 3 yearsago, my boss and I, we'd
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received a grant to to do something to help the help the
church, the BC Church, and Big CChurch.
And how could we, what resource could we provide that would be
helpful to people? And honestly, I know we've all
had these. It was one of those meetings
where we were getting nowhere pointing round and round and we
had a lot of bad ideas. And it just, it was just not
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going nowhere. And my boss did as he's done so
many other times. He just stopped and prayed and
said, God, we want to be faithful to you.
What is it you would have us do?We want this to be about what
you want, not what we want. And truly out of that prayer
immediately had an idea that wasjust a spark of an idea that led
us down this this train of producing a a Bible study for
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local churches. And that ultimately became this
book, very cool money and spirit, but it's also the book
content itself when we can get into this a little bit later,
but it comes out of my own personal experience.
So it was an easy, you know, as books go, an easy one to write
because it came from my perspective and something I
truly. Yeah, yeah.
And and you know, a book is a, it's a project of love.
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Yeah, yes. And it's kind of, I'm sure it's
kind of like your baby by the time it finally comes out like,
oh, look what I've got. Yeah.
And I'm in the process of just starting that journey myself and
I've got a couple of ideas for different books.
And so I can kind of relate to that to a small degree.
But I'd love to start out maybe by hearing about your experience
personally. Sure.
What has been your experience financially that that kind of
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led you towards seeing the goodness of God in our finances?
And man, there's so much misinformation, misconstrued
Bible verses or whatever you want to call it out there about,
you know, in the midst of the prosperity gospel and you know,
following Jesus is going to makeyou wealthy and all of these
things. Wealthy means something totally
different when we think about the fruit of the Spirit.
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Well, let me tell you, as a Nazarene pastor's kid, I've
never known being closer to God's face sorts of being well.
That's right. That's right.
I have lots of hand me downs. I'm growing up, but no, my
husband and I. So I like I said, I've grown up
in the church all my life. My husband had the opposite
experience. So he he did not grow up in a
Christian household. So and I went to college, had a
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lot of college debt. He did not at the time.
He since then gone back and got his degree, but we we came into
marriage with, he was a Christian, but we had we had
different viewpoints on money. We came into with a lot of debt
that I had accumulated through student loans.
And then just to be honest, we made a lot of poor decisions in
our, you know, in our early 20s that.
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Been there. Been there and I knew that I
knew that, but like, but my husband was also the one that
that would write the checks and the bills every month and so he
really faced the stress of that more than I did.
I kind of, I don't know, you maybe buried my head in the a
little bit. So I talked about in the book
how we went out one night and hewas just, we were just, you
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know, it was one of those nightswhere like he was just obviously
amped up, anxious about something.
I'm like, what is wrong with you?
And I thought we were out to have a nice date out away from
the kids. And he just confessed to me of
the the depths of his stress over our finances and felt like
it was eating him alive. And it had been the source of
like tension between us. We were not on the same page.
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And and I think that was the night where I first realized
like how how bad it had gotten. I didn't realize until that
point, you know, so we're I, youknow, I have this realization
hit me and we're there and we'reliterally in the parking lot of
a restaurant and, and I said, I don't know what to do other than
pray. And so we prayed and it was not
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a long articulate prayer. It was something like Jesus,
we've made a mess. Help us, help us.
And no joke, we went from there and we ran into a, a couple of
friends of ours who I had not seen in years.
And I said, what have you been up to?
And he said, we've just come from a financial course and at
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our local church and you should do it.
We used to fight about finances all the time and it was a source
of stress. And this has brought us freedom
and my husband and I like our jaws hit the floor because we've
literally just prayed God help us and then immediately bring
somebody in our to our life. And it's not that that our
problems were instantly fixed orthat just, you know, this debt
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went up in smoke, But it we can't began this journey of God
helping us and bringing people into our lives and bringing
resources in our lives and teaching us new things about
contentment and peace and self-control that that we began
this long journey of depending on him.
And so that's, that's, that's really where this all began.
I love that. And, and I love how the two
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times you've talked about this book, you have mentioned that it
was born out of prayer. Yes.
And and that's really, yeah, I Iwanted to bring that out because
of this isn't just something that you wanted to do and you
set out to do it on your own, but this really seems like
something that was truly born out of prayer.
It really was and and not just those two.
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I'll tell you, Chad, like there are days where every time I
wrote, I'd carve out times to goright and I would specifically
pray God, what do you want to say through me in a day?
And there was a specifically chapter 5 in the book.
There was a day where I just hadcomplete writer's block.
I didn't know where I was going with it.
I didn't know what I was going to do.
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And then I just had this incredible experience that I,
that God lined up that I met thepeople that I talk about in
Chapter 5. I met them that weekend.
And I, gosh, I'm going back to that moment.
It was a, it was a horrible weekpersonally.
There were a lot of things goingon and I had a little time and
little space and little mental capacity.
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And yet I sat down to write and literally the outline just flow.
I woke up from a dream and immediately had the outline in
my head and put it out there. And I, I look back at that
chapter specifically and say that was not me.
That was not me. Yeah.
And and that's the big part of it is, you know, letting God
write what he wants to write through you.
Exactly. And I love how you've explained
all of that, you know it. And there's, there's so many
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Nuggets that you've put out on social media, you know, these
little clips and, you know, quotes and that sort of thing.
And I'd love to kind of hit someof those.
But before we get into that, like I really want to hone in on
that idea that you'd made a mess.
Yeah. And we've all been there.
We've all been there, whether itbe finances or not, which I
think most of us can say. Yeah, it's been finances.
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I've, I've made mess a mess financially.
My wife and I both had quite thestudent loan debt when we got
together. We both went to the same private
school. And I'm like, you know, I'm, I'm
thankful I met her there. But man, that was an expensive,
expensive ride. Expensive date.
And so we joined together and wehad all this debt and we, we
eventually came out of it. But, you know, even after that,
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there, there are times where we just haven't made the smartest
of decisions. And it seems like that a lot of
times we separate finances from our faith.
Like, yes, totally different things.
Yeah, I know that's been the case in our life.
You know, like we'll be following the Lord and all of
these aspects of our life, our our faith, our family, you know,
even even our health and incorporating all of that.
But then somehow, someway, finances just always seem to be
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separate. But it's not, is it?
And I'd love to get your take onthat.
Yeah, no, it's not separate at all.
Like you said, we treat it as this separate category, like I'm
going to give God my all, but but I have my finances over
here, dirty money always over here.
And we don't talk about it, we don't think about it, we don't
have conversations about it and we treat it as separate.
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But I, I fully believe that whatever has you in bondage or
whatever worries you, that it worries God, He loves you.
And if it has you in bondage, hewants to bring you out of it.
And everything that we have, ourfamilies, our occupations, but
also our finances, there's nothing that we have that he
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doesn't want to be involved in And use it for His glory and for
His good. Yeah.
And you know, it kind of becomesthat whole stewardship concept,
right? Like, you know, a lot of times
we say, well, that that money's mine, I earned it.
But at the end of the day, like,you know, who gave you the
opportunity to earn that? And you could say, well, I
worked hard. Well, who gave you the
intellectual capacity to be ableto work hard?
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You know, you get down to it. And hey, it's all gods.
Yeah, absolutely. So this was one of my husband,
Will will tell you, he's told friends since then.
That was one of the early thingsthat happened in in our journey.
Again, I'd grown up tithe from the time I was a kid, you know,
that just got $10 and gave a dollar back.
You know, it was, it was just, it's just part of life.
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Never questioned it. But he did not come from that.
So this was something we didn't see eye to eye on and was a real
struggle in our early marriage about what are we going to do
about this elephant in the room,about how we handle this.
And after we had that prayer, one of the first things that we
did is this. He said, OK, you know, I have to
put my my money where my mouth is, you know, and say literally.
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And if I say that I trust God, we're going to give to him first
and then trust that he'll make up the difference if we have to
pull back on other areas, if we have to not eat for a week,
we're going to trust God first and give to him and then see
what happens. And he credits that as the turn
around. Yeah, he saw, you know, God says
in Malachi, test me in this, youknow, and and it's not about
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this percentage. It's not about the amount.
It's just about that trust, thatknowing that the guy who gave us
these things will provide for usif we're faithful to him.
Yeah, for me, that's what tithe has been.
You know, and even on the offering side of things above
the tithe, tithe it, it, it endsup being a control thing.
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You know, it's like we, we like to feel like we're in control.
And, and sometimes things happenin life and we realize we're not
right. God reminds us you're not,
you're not as much in control asyou think you are.
But you know, there, there seemsto be this control over our
finances that we like. And so tithing is, is really not
only is it giving, you know, ourfirst fruits back to God and he
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gave it to us and we give to himfirst, but there's also this
concept too that I trust that God can do more with 90%.
Yes. Then I can do with 100%, right?
Yes. And that's hard.
Sometimes I find the same thing happens in other parts of our
lives too. For example, like REST.
Yes, that's one of these things I had to learn the hard way too.
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Yes. You know, a lot of times we
think REST is a suggestion. No, rest is a mandate.
God rested on the 7th day. There's this thing called
Sabbath. And that's all on purpose
because we were created to have this rhythm of rest.
But again, it's trusting that, you know, God can do through me
in six days more than what I cando in seven.
And. Absolutely.
So that trust and control, to me, goes hand in hand with this
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concept of what it looks like toto let God have control of our
finances. Absolutely.
I've seen that over and over again in my life.
You know, it's the story of the two fish and the five loaves.
Yeah. Or maybe I got that backwards,
but regardless. Yeah, whatever it is the.
Whatever, whatever you know, we give our we give our crackers to
Jesus and see what he can do with it.
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Yep. And if we're giving him, you
know, if we're giving him our all, then, you know, he can do
more with that than than we could ever dream of.
So what where I'd kind of like to go with this too.
Is that you? You've really put some
interesting clips on social media and I like to just kind of
talk about some of those. Yeah.
So the first one that I wanted to talk about, but was this one,
you won't need to look for yourself worth in what you own.
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Yes, that's a big problem today.Absolutely comparison, that sort
of thing. So can you, can you elaborate on
that and just kind of tell us your viewpoint as far as that
goes? Yeah, this so a lot of times
when when I say that I've written a book about the
finances and and the Bible of people immediately go to
generosity. We need to be more generous.
And that's certainly part of it.But one of the one of the first
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lessons that that I think is important to learn is this
concept of love. And it truly begins with
understanding the deep love thatthe Father has for you and
recognizing that who we are and why we matter is all rooted in
our identity in him. So much of what we where we get
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messed up is just trying to to buy our worth or to impress
others. And when we do that, you can
never purchase enough. You can never buy enough.
You can never dress well enough to to make yourself feel better
about who you are. Your worth comes from
understanding that you have a creator who created you exactly
for who you are. He literally gave his life for
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you and wants to have a relationship for with you.
When you realize and truly internalize that your worth
comes from him, then it frees you up to not be spending all
your money trying to chase things that won't give that same
same depth of feeling. So good.
And I do men's coaching and and I come across that a lot where
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we're trying to buy our identity.
You know, we we want to be knownas whatever from the blank and
we feel like we've got to purchase that.
We've got to have all the stuff and all that the right house,
the right car, the right success.
We've we've got to look, look this certain way and our
identity then becomes what otherpeople think of us.
Right. Instead of seeing our identity
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is what God thinks of us. Yeah, and this has been like
this has been re reopened as as a parent because all of a sudden
you start you want to protect your kids and you want people to
think you don't want people to think they're the weird kid or
whatever. So we start to sometimes get
misguided on that. I want to make sure my kids
don't like are wearing the things that other people are
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have access to doing the same sports or whatever the kid
filled in the blank. But we pour a lot of money into
trying to make sure our kids feel worthy when that's that's
not it's not our mandate as Christian parents.
It's to show them that their worth comes from from someone
else. Yeah.
And that's a that's an importantlesson to learn early on, but
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it's one I think we need to be constantly reminded of.
Our identity comes from the factthat that God loves us.
We are his children. And once once we get that right,
I'm convinced that that things kind of flow from there.
But until we until we really buyinto that narrative, so to
speak, and it's not a narrative,it's the truth.
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Until we buy into that truth, until we really make it a part
of who we are and truly understand that as our identity,
we're always going to be lookingfor that satisfaction, that
fulfillment in all the other stuff of this world.
Right. And that's the thing that was
that was me when I, you know, I reached a point where I'm living
the American dream. I've done everything I set out
to do. I've accomplished my goals and
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I'm empty inside. Yeah.
Because that was what my identity was wrapped up in.
I wanted to be, you know, a pharmacist who had all these
nice things and all, you know, that was my identity.
I had the, had the wife, I had the, you know, white picket
fence and all the things. And I found that that didn't,
that wasn't it, you know, that one never satisfies or fulfill
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us. But at that point in my life,
that's when I had to call in theministry.
Long story short, yeah, I realized that relationship
aspect that the Lord wanted withme.
And once I realized that, then Irealized my identity is not in
these things and it's in Him. And that's when things started
to really kind of fall in line in my life.
And I've seen that happen too inthe lives of the men I coach.
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But I love how you tie finances in with that too, because a lot
of it in America is this pursuitof more, right?
You know, we think, OK, well, what I have doesn't satisfy me.
So obviously the answer is I just need more or I need bigger.
I need better. And that's not that's not it.
We get, we chase, we're chasing our tails at that point.
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Absolutely, Absolutely. And so that helps us think about
it. I brought that up first because
I think that identity aspect really kind of centers us and
helps us with the rest of this. But but then you go on to say
this and I'll man, these are so many.
Those are so good. When you put your trust in
money, when you put your trust in money, all you will be is
broke. Yes.
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Let's unpack that one a little bit.
Yeah, so I, so I go, that's a quote from a chapter where I
say, I say what we we go on to we have broken, broken dreams,
broken hearts, broken realities.Like when we put our trust
there, we're it's not going to fix things.
We'll, we'll feel that brokenness of again, like you
said, like I've got all of this,but why do I still feel broken?
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But finding our identity in Christ and and relying on His
truth, His love and His peace and His joy, that's where we
find true healing. And I think a lot of times
security plays a role in that too.
Yes, we find, and I mean, there's a phrase, financial
security. Yeah, we find a lot of times in
this world that we live in, we find a lot of security in
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finances, right. And the opposite is also true
when when our finances dry up orif we start having and I'll tell
you the truth, there's nothing that keeps me up at night quite
like finances. And you know, that's something
I'm working. It's one of the reasons why I
can't get the. I've ordered your book.
I've got to delve into it deeper, but I can't wait to get
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into it because I've experiencedthat, that, you know, really
there's nothing that keeps me upat night with that gut wrenching
feeling. Yeah, quite like finances, No,
not being in tune with my wife and some of those things like
that that's similar. But finances are really, you
know, they hit you in a gut. And I think it's because we find
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our security in that. And so when the finances dry up
or when we have issues with finances, you know, we don't
have we have too much month leftat the end of the money, then
really and truly what that that that leads us to show or it
leads us to see, you know, my security is in the wrong thing.
But that's a hard lesson to learn it.
It's so hard. It's so hard because we want to
take control. We want to be able to, to make
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sure that we have the security of I'm going to be OK as long as
I have this. Yeah, right.
Well, no, I'm going to be OK as long as I put my stay hand in
hand with God, who's going to lead me along the way and take
me where I need to go and provide for me.
I love that. And I'm reminded that when we
pray the Lord's Prayer, there's that.
There's that one phrase about daily bread.
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Yes. Give us today Our Daily Bread.
He's not talking about the gluten free rye bread.
He's talking. He's talking about more than
that. He's talking about provision.
Yeah. Give us today Our Daily Bread.
Yeah. And you know what?
As long as we have these mounds of finances and as long as we
have them, not saying, you know,of course we're not saying don't
have emergency funds, don't haveto be smart about it.
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But what I'm saying is in America, most people today don't
know what it's like to rely on God as our sole source of
provision or as our primary source of provision.
We don't need God to provide OurDaily Bread because we have a
supermarket around every corner and we have the finances to be
able to purchase that. And So what parallel do you see
between that and when Jesus toldus, you know, he taught us
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disciples how to pray and he said, give us a day Our Daily
Bread. But in today's society, it's
hard. It's hard for us to understand
what that means. Yeah, well, when I hear that
phrase, Our Daily Bread, I immediately go back to mana in
the desert. And he told them just to collect
what they needed for the day andthat I will provide it.
When they tried to hold on to itand they tried to have access,
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it just rot, you know, it was all spoiled.
And also it also reminds me of that passage he leads me in
green pastures again, like we think of big lush over fields,
but really green pastures in theHoly Land or just these patches
of grass that the shepherd leadsthem to just enough for what
they need. And we, yes, like you said, be
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smart, but we do need to have savings.
We do need to have these things,but we don't how much is enough
for you to feel secure? We have to trust that the God
who has always provided us before will provide for us now
in our timely. Need.
Yeah. And that's that's so important
for us to think about. And really, you really trust
that he will provide it. And you know, it becomes about
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mindset and it becomes about attitude and attitude of the
heart, right? What is our attitude towards
money? And so it again, it's not about
should I have a savings account?It's not about should I have,
but it's about what is your attitude towards money?
What's your attitude towards stuff?
What's your attitude towards, you know, the consuming and
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what's your attitude towards constantly that push towards
more and more and more. The attitude of the heart to me
is the big thing. That's that's the litmus test.
Yeah, and honestly, and what like one of the biggest messages
of this book is like, it's not about trying harder, like you
need to be have more joy, Jen, you know, have more peace.
But it's about inviting, inviting the Holy Spirit to
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examine and change your heart. You know, I on my own, I keep
slipping into those old patterns.
But, you know, praying that prayer of, you know, God,
examine me, show me what's wrong, show me what's out of
whack and help me to be more like you.
And he will answer that prayer. It won't make it easy.
It won't make mean like, like you're going to be rolling the
dough. But he can change your heart as
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as, as you are open and allow him to do that.
Yeah. That's a natural transition into
this next one I wanted to discuss with you.
Surrendering to the work of the Holy Spirit, which is what we're
talking about is not a get rich scheme or even a guarantee to
get rich at all. There seems to be this false
assumption today and I'm, I'm not sure where it got started.
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And this this isn't the podcast for that sure.
But when we think about it there, there seems to be this
promise by certain prominent places, people that following
Jesus will make you rich. Following Jesus will solve all
of your problems. And you know, we, we tend to
maybe in our minds think, OK, well, you know, God, I've I've
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done everything you wanted me todo.
Why am I not blessed? Why am I not rolling in the
dough, as you said? What's up with that?
And so what's that relationship like the way that you see it
between OK, I'm following the Lord and I'm letting the Holy
Spirit have his way in my life. But my bank accounts not filling
up or is you know, how does thathow does that kind of hash out?
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Yeah, I think God calls us all into different, down different
paths. And I do think there are
Christians where he has given the ability of propensity to
accumulate wealth. And I've seen them like pour
into ministries and fund that way.
But that's not a promise and that's not the path for
everyone. It's not been my path for sure.
And I, I think back to this, I had this incredible experience.
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It's probably been about about 20 years ago, I, I had the
opportunity to travel to a really remote village in India
and it was incredible. I stayed in the past in the home
of a church planter and I literally felt like I was
walking alongside a modern day Paul, like he had given
everything for the gospel. He was like living it on a daily
basis that his family was livingon a daily basis.
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And I just, I've never seen suchpure and authentic faith as I
saw that day or I saw that when I was with them.
But then they were gathered around me like the the last day,
the men of this village. And they, they were asking me,
why is why, why is America so blessed?
Is it because you, you love and honor God more than we do?
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And it was heartbreaking becausesomehow they had, they had
gotten this message, if only we were as faithful to God as
Americans, where we, we would receive those blessings.
There's there's a lot wrong there.
There's a there's a false equality, there's yeah, seems to
be of faithfulness to God and checkbook.
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Yeah, absolutely. I think I think if God, God may
bless you with finances and if that if that's so, it's so that
you can give more away and use more for his good.
But I think some of us will never be called into that life.
And he's just asked us to be faithful for what we have and
faithful with whatever we have and content with whatever we
have and generous with whatever we have that those, those
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mandates don't change based on your your bank account.
Well, and look at Jesus himself.He was a man of of you know
little worth from from a worldlyperspective.
He didn't have the 1K in the bank accounts.
And that right A. Matter of fact, he told his
disciples, I don't even have a place to lay my head.
Right. He was, he was very
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minimalistic. He lived life very simply,
right. And what I tell my young adults
is this it's not wrong to have stuff.
It's not inherently wrong. It's not wrong to have money.
The question is whether your money or your stuff has you.
And that's that attitude of the heart thing.
Yeah. Is, is life for me about the
pursuit of more or is life for me about the pursuit of Jesus?
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And that to me is kind of where we delineate that it's not a
there is no promise in the Biblethat says you will be rich if
you follow the Lord, not physically, but you know what?
You'll be rich spiritually. Absolutely.
And that's worth way more than money can buy.
Absolutely. I want to close our time
together with this other one. It does kind of summarizes a lot
of what we've talked about. This has been so good.
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I want to encourage each and everyone of you to go out and
take a look at this book. And you know, and it's not about
just reading a book, but it's about growing in your
relationship with Jesus. That's what all this is about,
inviting him into every aspect of your life and not saying, OK,
God, you can have everything. But this.
We tend to do that sometimes, don't we?
But it's about inviting him intoeverything.
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And you have a perspective that's unique and you have a way
with words that that God has gifted you with.
And so I appreciate what you bring to this and your vision
and your perspective. One of the things you said is
this, it's a journey of abiding in His spirit, giving all your
burdens, fears and worries aboutmoney to Him.
We talked about how money keeps us up at night.
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We talked about how how money problems can become a burden,
that they can impact our relationships.
Matter of fact, a lot of divorces happened because of
differences in finances. That's one of the reasons why
when I'm doing premarital counseling, one of the things we
talked about is money, because if you have differing views on
that, that's going to come out in your marriage.
But there are burdens and fears and worries about money that we
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have. And so really and truly this,
this is a journey about bringingthose to him.
Yeah. Help us impact that a little bit
as we as we kind of wrap things up.
Yeah, I think, you know, one of the things, one of the things we
say as Christians is, you know, are you saved or are you, you
know, we talk about things as ifit's a one time decision.
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But really the, the, the, the walk of faith is a journey that
we have to keep coming back and surrendering things to God over
and over again as we recognize that they're out of whack.
So it's a journey of surrender of asking every time I have a
worry, every time I have a fear,every time I've made a mistake,
every time I'm unsure of what todo that I keep coming back to
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him and laying that down at his feet and saying, what do you,
what do you want from here? Me here, You know, it's it's not
a one time decision. It is a daily journey of
surrender. Yeah, daily intimate walk with
God. Yes.
That's what that's what it's about.
And the more that we surrender to him and and let's just go
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ahead and say this, he wants it all, not because he's this
greedy God that wants us. No, he don't need that.
What he wants is our hearts and he and what he has for us is
always better than we, we can create for ourselves.
And and so when we think about that like he doesn't want it
because he doesn't want us to have it.
He wants it because he can do way more with it than what we
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can. He wants what's best for us.
God is good and he's good all the time.
He's good in, in, in financial blessings and he's good in the,
you know, in the financial droughts and, and learning to
bring all of our lives to him, our faith, our family, our
finances. That's a big part of it.
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Yeah. Bringing it to him, every
concern everywhere we have, you know, that's, that's the
relationship that we're after. And the more we surrender, the
more our relationship grows. And I'm convinced that's the
path of contentment. That's the path of peace and
joy. And you notice those words are
are some of the fruits of the spirit.
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Yeah. And and I think that kind of
pulls it all together for us. So, Heather, what a tremendous
time this has been. Can you tell our listeners where
to find your book, how to enter into your world and how to how
to find you if they have questions about finances and and
what it means to follow God in ain a financially wise and a
financially, you know it. Let's go back.
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I lost my train of thought. What it looks like to follow God
in in a way that glorifies Him with our finances.
Sure. How can they enter into your
world? Yeah.
So first, I would love for you to order copy of my book.
You can find it anywhere where where your favorite books are
sold online. So you can look that way.
If you specifically go to indypubs.com, I can get you a
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discount of 30%. So you can type in MJA 20 and
that'll give you a 20% discount on on the books.
But I'm also on Facebook. You can look me up Heather Day
and or heatherday.net. These are always you.
I would love to interact with you.
I'd love to get to know you moreand just see what got's up to in
your own. Awesome.
And you've got a blog on your website too, right?
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Where you write, So yeah. I.
Do lots of good thoughts there. So so you guys check her out.
Heather, what a privilege this has been.
Really appreciate you being hereon the show and look forward to
connecting with you and staying in your world.
Thank you, It's been a pleasure.Thank you for listening to the
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Be blessed and be the very best you.
Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Rev RX
Podcast where we show you how tothrive in faith, family, and
health. My name is Chad Potts, and I'm
your host today. I'm so excited to dig into a
topic that a lot of us seem to segregate from the rest of our
lives. And that topic is finances.
But the superpower that our special guest today has is in
integrating those finances with our faith.
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A matter of fact, she's written a book called Money and Spirit,
Surrendering our finances to thework of the Holy Spirit.
You're going to love this conversation about bringing
faith, inviting God into every aspect of our lives, including
our finances, and how that's thekey to true and lasting wealth.
So without further ado, I introduce to you my friend
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Heather Day. Heather, thank you so much for
joining us today on the Rev RX Podcast.
What a privilege it is to have you here on the show.
I am so glad to be here. Thanks for the invitation.
Yeah, sure. I followed your work for a
little while. We connected and I started
looking at some of the content that's coming out of your new
book and I'm so excited to dive into that today because man, we
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need to hear the message that you have written about in the
church and and really everywhere.
But before we jump into that, I'd love to just hear a little
more about you. Can you introduce yourself to
our listeners and just let them get to know you a little better?
Yeah, sure. My name is Heather Day.
I'm director of marketing at Barnabas Foundation.
But I'm also I'm a mom, I'm a wife, and I'm a leader in my
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local church. I grew up in the church.
My dad's a Nazarene pastor. We discovered along the way that
we have that connection. Very cool.
But my dad's a Nazarene pastor, my mom's also in ministry.
So I have grown up in the churchall my life.
I've never known a time when I didn't know that Jesus loved me.
And I've my faith has evolved over the years, but the older I
grow, the the more, the sweeter that relationship is.
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I think that's an old him. But but yeah, just God is good
and and I'm glad to be here and sharing the hope I found in him.
Yeah, I love what you said you've never known a time when
you didn't know Jesus loved you And man, what a powerful
testimony that is. And and that's really the hope
of of raising our our kids in Christ, isn't it that, you know,
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we lots of people have all thesetremendous testimonies about how
God really turned their life around.
And sometimes us that has grown up in the church, we don't
really have those, you know, life changing times.
But there's a there is really something valuable about being
able to say as as long as I lookback all the memories I have,
I've always known Jesus loved me.
Absolutely. That's such an incredible way to
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put that. So thanks for sharing that with
us. Now you have this book this come
out and I want to talk about that and it deals with something
that really some people kind of shy away from even in the
church, You know, there's not a lot of not a lot of giving about
finances, but yet the Bible talks so much about money.
And so you've kind of married this concept between being
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financially responsible and the fruit of the spirit.
And I'm really excited to hear about that.
So what led you to write the book?
What was the motivation behind that?
And then we'll kind of go from there.
Yeah, So. So as I mentioned, I work for
Barnabas Foundation. We help generous Christians give
to their church and other favorite ministries.
And I think it was about 3 yearsago, my boss and I, we'd
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received a grant to to do something to help the help the
church, the BC Church, and Big CChurch.
And how could we, what resource could we provide that would be
helpful to people? And honestly, I know we've all
had these. It was one of those meetings
where we were getting nowhere pointing round and round and we
had a lot of bad ideas. And it just, it was just not
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going nowhere. And my boss did as he's done so
many other times. He just stopped and prayed and
said, God, we want to be faithful to you.
What is it you would have us do?We want this to be about what
you want, not what we want. And truly out of that prayer
immediately had an idea that wasjust a spark of an idea that led
us down this this train of producing a a Bible study for
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local churches. And that ultimately became this
book, very cool money and spirit, but it's also the book
content itself when we can get into this a little bit later,
but it comes out of my own personal experience.
So it was an easy, you know, as books go, an easy one to write
because it came from my perspective and something I
truly. Yeah, yeah.
And and you know, a book is a, it's a project of love.
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Yeah, yes. And it's kind of, I'm sure it's
kind of like your baby by the time it finally comes out like,
oh, look what I've got. Yeah.
And I'm in the process of just starting that journey myself and
I've got a couple of ideas for different books.
And so I can kind of relate to that to a small degree.
But I'd love to start out maybe by hearing about your experience
personally. Sure.
What has been your experience financially that that kind of
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led you towards seeing the goodness of God in our finances?
And man, there's so much misinformation, misconstrued
Bible verses or whatever you want to call it out there about,
you know, in the midst of the prosperity gospel and you know,
following Jesus is going to makeyou wealthy and all of these
things. Wealthy means something totally
different when we think about the fruit of the Spirit.
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Well, let me tell you, as a Nazarene pastor's kid, I've
never known being closer to God's face sorts of being well.
That's right. That's right.
I have lots of hand me downs. I'm growing up, but no, my
husband and I. So I like I said, I've grown up
in the church all my life. My husband had the opposite
experience. So he he did not grow up in a
Christian household. So and I went to college, had a
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lot of college debt. He did not at the time.
He since then gone back and got his degree, but we we came into
marriage with, he was a Christian, but we had we had
different viewpoints on money. We came into with a lot of debt
that I had accumulated through student loans.
And then just to be honest, we made a lot of poor decisions in
our, you know, in our early 20s that.
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Been there. Been there and I knew that I
knew that, but like, but my husband was also the one that
that would write the checks and the bills every month and so he
really faced the stress of that more than I did.
I kind of, I don't know, you maybe buried my head in the a
little bit. So I talked about in the book
how we went out one night and hewas just, we were just, you
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know, it was one of those nightswhere like he was just obviously
amped up, anxious about something.
I'm like, what is wrong with you?
And I thought we were out to have a nice date out away from
the kids. And he just confessed to me of
the the depths of his stress over our finances and felt like
it was eating him alive. And it had been the source of
like tension between us. We were not on the same page.
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And and I think that was the night where I first realized
like how how bad it had gotten. I didn't realize until that
point, you know, so we're I, youknow, I have this realization
hit me and we're there and we'reliterally in the parking lot of
a restaurant and, and I said, I don't know what to do other than
pray. And so we prayed and it was not
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a long articulate prayer. It was something like Jesus,
we've made a mess. Help us, help us.
And no joke, we went from there and we ran into a, a couple of
friends of ours who I had not seen in years.
And I said, what have you been up to?
And he said, we've just come from a financial course and at
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our local church and you should do it.
We used to fight about finances all the time and it was a source
of stress. And this has brought us freedom
and my husband and I like our jaws hit the floor because we've
literally just prayed God help us and then immediately bring
somebody in our to our life. And it's not that that our
problems were instantly fixed orthat just, you know, this debt
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went up in smoke, But it we can't began this journey of God
helping us and bringing people into our lives and bringing
resources in our lives and teaching us new things about
contentment and peace and self-control that that we began
this long journey of depending on him.
And so that's, that's, that's really where this all began.
I love that. And, and I love how the two
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times you've talked about this book, you have mentioned that it
was born out of prayer. Yes.
And and that's really, yeah, I Iwanted to bring that out because
of this isn't just something that you wanted to do and you
set out to do it on your own, but this really seems like
something that was truly born out of prayer.
It really was and and not just those two.
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I'll tell you, Chad, like there are days where every time I
wrote, I'd carve out times to goright and I would specifically
pray God, what do you want to say through me in a day?
And there was a specifically chapter 5 in the book.
There was a day where I just hadcomplete writer's block.
I didn't know where I was going with it.
I didn't know what I was going to do.
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And then I just had this incredible experience that I,
that God lined up that I met thepeople that I talk about in
Chapter 5. I met them that weekend.
And I, gosh, I'm going back to that moment.
It was a, it was a horrible weekpersonally.
There were a lot of things goingon and I had a little time and
little space and little mental capacity.
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And yet I sat down to write and literally the outline just flow.
I woke up from a dream and immediately had the outline in
my head and put it out there. And I, I look back at that
chapter specifically and say that was not me.
That was not me. Yeah.
And and that's the big part of it is, you know, letting God
write what he wants to write through you.
Exactly. And I love how you've explained
all of that, you know it. And there's, there's so many
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Nuggets that you've put out on social media, you know, these
little clips and, you know, quotes and that sort of thing.
And I'd love to kind of hit someof those.
But before we get into that, like I really want to hone in on
that idea that you'd made a mess.
Yeah. And we've all been there.
We've all been there, whether itbe finances or not, which I
think most of us can say. Yeah, it's been finances.
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I've, I've made mess a mess financially.
My wife and I both had quite thestudent loan debt when we got
together. We both went to the same private
school. And I'm like, you know, I'm, I'm
thankful I met her there. But man, that was an expensive,
expensive ride. Expensive date.
And so we joined together and wehad all this debt and we, we
eventually came out of it. But, you know, even after that,
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there, there are times where we just haven't made the smartest
of decisions. And it seems like that a lot of
times we separate finances from our faith.
Like, yes, totally different things.
Yeah, I know that's been the case in our life.
You know, like we'll be following the Lord and all of
these aspects of our life, our our faith, our family, you know,
even even our health and incorporating all of that.
But then somehow, someway, finances just always seem to be
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separate. But it's not, is it?
And I'd love to get your take onthat.
Yeah, no, it's not separate at all.
Like you said, we treat it as this separate category, like I'm
going to give God my all, but but I have my finances over
here, dirty money always over here.
And we don't talk about it, we don't think about it, we don't
have conversations about it and we treat it as separate.
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But I, I fully believe that whatever has you in bondage or
whatever worries you, that it worries God, He loves you.
And if it has you in bondage, hewants to bring you out of it.
And everything that we have, ourfamilies, our occupations, but
also our finances, there's nothing that we have that he
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doesn't want to be involved in And use it for His glory and for
His good. Yeah.
And you know, it kind of becomesthat whole stewardship concept,
right? Like, you know, a lot of times
we say, well, that that money's mine, I earned it.
But at the end of the day, like,you know, who gave you the
opportunity to earn that? And you could say, well, I
worked hard. Well, who gave you the
intellectual capacity to be ableto work hard?
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You know, you get down to it. And hey, it's all gods.
Yeah, absolutely. So this was one of my husband,
Will will tell you, he's told friends since then.
That was one of the early thingsthat happened in in our journey.
Again, I'd grown up tithe from the time I was a kid, you know,
that just got $10 and gave a dollar back.
You know, it was, it was just, it's just part of life.
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Never questioned it. But he did not come from that.
So this was something we didn't see eye to eye on and was a real
struggle in our early marriage about what are we going to do
about this elephant in the room,about how we handle this.
And after we had that prayer, one of the first things that we
did is this. He said, OK, you know, I have to
put my my money where my mouth is, you know, and say literally.
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And if I say that I trust God, we're going to give to him first
and then trust that he'll make up the difference if we have to
pull back on other areas, if we have to not eat for a week,
we're going to trust God first and give to him and then see
what happens. And he credits that as the turn
around. Yeah, he saw, you know, God says
in Malachi, test me in this, youknow, and and it's not about
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this percentage. It's not about the amount.
It's just about that trust, thatknowing that the guy who gave us
these things will provide for usif we're faithful to him.
Yeah, for me, that's what tithe has been.
You know, and even on the offering side of things above
the tithe, tithe it, it, it endsup being a control thing.
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You know, it's like we, we like to feel like we're in control.
And, and sometimes things happenin life and we realize we're not
right. God reminds us you're not,
you're not as much in control asyou think you are.
But you know, there, there seemsto be this control over our
finances that we like. And so tithing is, is really not
only is it giving, you know, ourfirst fruits back to God and he
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gave it to us and we give to himfirst, but there's also this
concept too that I trust that God can do more with 90%.
Yes. Then I can do with 100%, right?
Yes. And that's hard.
Sometimes I find the same thing happens in other parts of our
lives too. For example, like REST.
Yes, that's one of these things I had to learn the hard way too.
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Yes. You know, a lot of times we
think REST is a suggestion. No, rest is a mandate.
God rested on the 7th day. There's this thing called
Sabbath. And that's all on purpose
because we were created to have this rhythm of rest.
But again, it's trusting that, you know, God can do through me
in six days more than what I cando in seven.
And. Absolutely.
So that trust and control, to me, goes hand in hand with this
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concept of what it looks like toto let God have control of our
finances. Absolutely.
I've seen that over and over again in my life.
You know, it's the story of the two fish and the five loaves.
Yeah. Or maybe I got that backwards,
but regardless. Yeah, whatever it is the.
Whatever, whatever you know, we give our we give our crackers to
Jesus and see what he can do with it.
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Yep. And if we're giving him, you
know, if we're giving him our all, then, you know, he can do
more with that than than we could ever dream of.
So what where I'd kind of like to go with this too.
Is that you? You've really put some
interesting clips on social media and I like to just kind of
talk about some of those. Yeah.
So the first one that I wanted to talk about, but was this one,
you won't need to look for yourself worth in what you own.
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Yes, that's a big problem today.Absolutely comparison, that sort
of thing. So can you, can you elaborate on
that and just kind of tell us your viewpoint as far as that
goes? Yeah, this so a lot of times
when when I say that I've written a book about the
finances and and the Bible of people immediately go to
generosity. We need to be more generous.
And that's certainly part of it.But one of the one of the first
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lessons that that I think is important to learn is this
concept of love. And it truly begins with
understanding the deep love thatthe Father has for you and
recognizing that who we are and why we matter is all rooted in
our identity in him. So much of what we where we get
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messed up is just trying to to buy our worth or to impress
others. And when we do that, you can
never purchase enough. You can never buy enough.
You can never dress well enough to to make yourself feel better
about who you are. Your worth comes from
understanding that you have a creator who created you exactly
for who you are. He literally gave his life for
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you and wants to have a relationship for with you.
When you realize and truly internalize that your worth
comes from him, then it frees you up to not be spending all
your money trying to chase things that won't give that same
same depth of feeling. So good.
And I do men's coaching and and I come across that a lot where
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we're trying to buy our identity.
You know, we we want to be knownas whatever from the blank and
we feel like we've got to purchase that.
We've got to have all the stuff and all that the right house,
the right car, the right success.
We've we've got to look, look this certain way and our
identity then becomes what otherpeople think of us.
Right. Instead of seeing our identity
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is what God thinks of us. Yeah, and this has been like
this has been re reopened as as a parent because all of a sudden
you start you want to protect your kids and you want people to
think you don't want people to think they're the weird kid or
whatever. So we start to sometimes get
misguided on that. I want to make sure my kids
don't like are wearing the things that other people are
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have access to doing the same sports or whatever the kid
filled in the blank. But we pour a lot of money into
trying to make sure our kids feel worthy when that's that's
not it's not our mandate as Christian parents.
It's to show them that their worth comes from from someone
else. Yeah.
And that's a that's an importantlesson to learn early on, but
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it's one I think we need to be constantly reminded of.
Our identity comes from the factthat that God loves us.
We are his children. And once once we get that right,
I'm convinced that that things kind of flow from there.
But until we until we really buyinto that narrative, so to
speak, and it's not a narrative,it's the truth.
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Until we buy into that truth, until we really make it a part
of who we are and truly understand that as our identity,
we're always going to be lookingfor that satisfaction, that
fulfillment in all the other stuff of this world.
Right. And that's the thing that was
that was me when I, you know, I reached a point where I'm living
the American dream. I've done everything I set out
to do. I've accomplished my goals and
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I'm empty inside. Yeah.
Because that was what my identity was wrapped up in.
I wanted to be, you know, a pharmacist who had all these
nice things and all, you know, that was my identity.
I had the, had the wife, I had the, you know, white picket
fence and all the things. And I found that that didn't,
that wasn't it, you know, that one never satisfies or fulfill
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us. But at that point in my life,
that's when I had to call in theministry.
Long story short, yeah, I realized that relationship
aspect that the Lord wanted withme.
And once I realized that, then Irealized my identity is not in
these things and it's in Him. And that's when things started
to really kind of fall in line in my life.
And I've seen that happen too inthe lives of the men I coach.
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But I love how you tie finances in with that too, because a lot
of it in America is this pursuitof more, right?
You know, we think, OK, well, what I have doesn't satisfy me.
So obviously the answer is I just need more or I need bigger.
I need better. And that's not that's not it.
We get, we chase, we're chasing our tails at that point.
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Absolutely, Absolutely. And so that helps us think about
it. I brought that up first because
I think that identity aspect really kind of centers us and
helps us with the rest of this. But but then you go on to say
this and I'll man, these are so many.
Those are so good. When you put your trust in
money, when you put your trust in money, all you will be is
broke. Yes.
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Let's unpack that one a little bit.
Yeah, so I, so I go, that's a quote from a chapter where I
say, I say what we we go on to we have broken, broken dreams,
broken hearts, broken realities.Like when we put our trust
there, we're it's not going to fix things.
We'll, we'll feel that brokenness of again, like you
said, like I've got all of this,but why do I still feel broken?
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But finding our identity in Christ and and relying on His
truth, His love and His peace and His joy, that's where we
find true healing. And I think a lot of times
security plays a role in that too.
Yes, we find, and I mean, there's a phrase, financial
security. Yeah, we find a lot of times in
this world that we live in, we find a lot of security in
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finances, right. And the opposite is also true
when when our finances dry up orif we start having and I'll tell
you the truth, there's nothing that keeps me up at night quite
like finances. And you know, that's something
I'm working. It's one of the reasons why I
can't get the. I've ordered your book.
I've got to delve into it deeper, but I can't wait to get
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into it because I've experiencedthat, that, you know, really
there's nothing that keeps me upat night with that gut wrenching
feeling. Yeah, quite like finances, No,
not being in tune with my wife and some of those things like
that that's similar. But finances are really, you
know, they hit you in a gut. And I think it's because we find
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our security in that. And so when the finances dry up
or when we have issues with finances, you know, we don't
have we have too much month leftat the end of the money, then
really and truly what that that that leads us to show or it
leads us to see, you know, my security is in the wrong thing.
But that's a hard lesson to learn it.
It's so hard. It's so hard because we want to
take control. We want to be able to, to make
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sure that we have the security of I'm going to be OK as long as
I have this. Yeah, right.
Well, no, I'm going to be OK as long as I put my stay hand in
hand with God, who's going to lead me along the way and take
me where I need to go and provide for me.
I love that. And I'm reminded that when we
pray the Lord's Prayer, there's that.
There's that one phrase about daily bread.
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Yes. Give us today Our Daily Bread.
He's not talking about the gluten free rye bread.
He's talking. He's talking about more than
that. He's talking about provision.
Yeah. Give us today Our Daily Bread.
Yeah. And you know what?
As long as we have these mounds of finances and as long as we
have them, not saying, you know,of course we're not saying don't
have emergency funds, don't haveto be smart about it.
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But what I'm saying is in America, most people today don't
know what it's like to rely on God as our sole source of
provision or as our primary source of provision.
We don't need God to provide OurDaily Bread because we have a
supermarket around every corner and we have the finances to be
able to purchase that. And So what parallel do you see
between that and when Jesus toldus, you know, he taught us
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disciples how to pray and he said, give us a day Our Daily
Bread. But in today's society, it's
hard. It's hard for us to understand
what that means. Yeah, well, when I hear that
phrase, Our Daily Bread, I immediately go back to mana in
the desert. And he told them just to collect
what they needed for the day andthat I will provide it.
When they tried to hold on to itand they tried to have access,
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it just rot, you know, it was all spoiled.
And also it also reminds me of that passage he leads me in
green pastures again, like we think of big lush over fields,
but really green pastures in theHoly Land or just these patches
of grass that the shepherd leadsthem to just enough for what
they need. And we, yes, like you said, be
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smart, but we do need to have savings.
We do need to have these things,but we don't how much is enough
for you to feel secure? We have to trust that the God
who has always provided us before will provide for us now
in our timely. Need.
Yeah. And that's that's so important
for us to think about. And really, you really trust
that he will provide it. And you know, it becomes about
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mindset and it becomes about attitude and attitude of the
heart, right? What is our attitude towards
money? And so it again, it's not about
should I have a savings account?It's not about should I have,
but it's about what is your attitude towards money?
What's your attitude towards stuff?
What's your attitude towards, you know, the consuming and
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what's your attitude towards constantly that push towards
more and more and more. The attitude of the heart to me
is the big thing. That's that's the litmus test.
Yeah, and honestly, and what like one of the biggest messages
of this book is like, it's not about trying harder, like you
need to be have more joy, Jen, you know, have more peace.
But it's about inviting, inviting the Holy Spirit to
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examine and change your heart. You know, I on my own, I keep
slipping into those old patterns.
But, you know, praying that prayer of, you know, God,
examine me, show me what's wrong, show me what's out of
whack and help me to be more like you.
And he will answer that prayer. It won't make it easy.
It won't make mean like, like you're going to be rolling the
dough. But he can change your heart as
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as, as you are open and allow him to do that.
Yeah. That's a natural transition into
this next one I wanted to discuss with you.
Surrendering to the work of the Holy Spirit, which is what we're
talking about is not a get rich scheme or even a guarantee to
get rich at all. There seems to be this false
assumption today and I'm, I'm not sure where it got started.
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And this this isn't the podcast for that sure.
But when we think about it there, there seems to be this
promise by certain prominent places, people that following
Jesus will make you rich. Following Jesus will solve all
of your problems. And you know, we, we tend to
maybe in our minds think, OK, well, you know, God, I've I've
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done everything you wanted me todo.
Why am I not blessed? Why am I not rolling in the
dough, as you said? What's up with that?
And so what's that relationship like the way that you see it
between OK, I'm following the Lord and I'm letting the Holy
Spirit have his way in my life. But my bank accounts not filling
up or is you know, how does thathow does that kind of hash out?
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Yeah, I think God calls us all into different, down different
paths. And I do think there are
Christians where he has given the ability of propensity to
accumulate wealth. And I've seen them like pour
into ministries and fund that way.
But that's not a promise and that's not the path for
everyone. It's not been my path for sure.
And I, I think back to this, I had this incredible experience.
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It's probably been about about 20 years ago, I, I had the
opportunity to travel to a really remote village in India
and it was incredible. I stayed in the past in the home
of a church planter and I literally felt like I was
walking alongside a modern day Paul, like he had given
everything for the gospel. He was like living it on a daily
basis that his family was livingon a daily basis.
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And I just, I've never seen suchpure and authentic faith as I
saw that day or I saw that when I was with them.
But then they were gathered around me like the the last day,
the men of this village. And they, they were asking me,
why is why, why is America so blessed?
Is it because you, you love and honor God more than we do?
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And it was heartbreaking becausesomehow they had, they had
gotten this message, if only we were as faithful to God as
Americans, where we, we would receive those blessings.
There's there's a lot wrong there.
There's a there's a false equality, there's yeah, seems to
be of faithfulness to God and checkbook.
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Yeah, absolutely. I think I think if God, God may
bless you with finances and if that if that's so, it's so that
you can give more away and use more for his good.
But I think some of us will never be called into that life.
And he's just asked us to be faithful for what we have and
faithful with whatever we have and content with whatever we
have and generous with whatever we have that those, those
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mandates don't change based on your your bank account.
Well, and look at Jesus himself.He was a man of of you know
little worth from from a worldlyperspective.
He didn't have the 1K in the bank accounts.
And that right A. Matter of fact, he told his
disciples, I don't even have a place to lay my head.
Right. He was, he was very
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minimalistic. He lived life very simply,
right. And what I tell my young adults
is this it's not wrong to have stuff.
It's not inherently wrong. It's not wrong to have money.
The question is whether your money or your stuff has you.
And that's that attitude of the heart thing.
Yeah. Is, is life for me about the
pursuit of more or is life for me about the pursuit of Jesus?
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And that to me is kind of where we delineate that it's not a
there is no promise in the Biblethat says you will be rich if
you follow the Lord, not physically, but you know what?
You'll be rich spiritually. Absolutely.
And that's worth way more than money can buy.
Absolutely. I want to close our time
together with this other one. It does kind of summarizes a lot
of what we've talked about. This has been so good.
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I want to encourage each and everyone of you to go out and
take a look at this book. And you know, and it's not about
just reading a book, but it's about growing in your
relationship with Jesus. That's what all this is about,
inviting him into every aspect of your life and not saying, OK,
God, you can have everything. But this.
We tend to do that sometimes, don't we?
But it's about inviting him intoeverything.
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And you have a perspective that's unique and you have a way
with words that that God has gifted you with.
And so I appreciate what you bring to this and your vision
and your perspective. One of the things you said is
this, it's a journey of abiding in His spirit, giving all your
burdens, fears and worries aboutmoney to Him.
We talked about how money keeps us up at night.
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We talked about how how money problems can become a burden,
that they can impact our relationships.
Matter of fact, a lot of divorces happened because of
differences in finances. That's one of the reasons why
when I'm doing premarital counseling, one of the things we
talked about is money, because if you have differing views on
that, that's going to come out in your marriage.
But there are burdens and fears and worries about money that we
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have. And so really and truly this,
this is a journey about bringingthose to him.
Yeah. Help us impact that a little bit
as we as we kind of wrap things up.
Yeah, I think, you know, one of the things, one of the things we
say as Christians is, you know, are you saved or are you, you
know, we talk about things as ifit's a one time decision.
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But really the, the, the, the walk of faith is a journey that
we have to keep coming back and surrendering things to God over
and over again as we recognize that they're out of whack.
So it's a journey of surrender of asking every time I have a
worry, every time I have a fear,every time I've made a mistake,
every time I'm unsure of what todo that I keep coming back to
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him and laying that down at his feet and saying, what do you,
what do you want from here? Me here, You know, it's it's not
a one time decision. It is a daily journey of
surrender. Yeah, daily intimate walk with
God. Yes.
That's what that's what it's about.
And the more that we surrender to him and and let's just go
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ahead and say this, he wants it all, not because he's this
greedy God that wants us. No, he don't need that.
What he wants is our hearts and he and what he has for us is
always better than we, we can create for ourselves.
And and so when we think about that like he doesn't want it
because he doesn't want us to have it.
He wants it because he can do way more with it than what we
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can. He wants what's best for us.
God is good and he's good all the time.
He's good in, in, in financial blessings and he's good in the,
you know, in the financial droughts and, and learning to
bring all of our lives to him, our faith, our family, our
finances. That's a big part of it.
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Yeah. Bringing it to him, every
concern everywhere we have, you know, that's, that's the
relationship that we're after. And the more we surrender, the
more our relationship grows. And I'm convinced that's the
path of contentment. That's the path of peace and
joy. And you notice those words are
are some of the fruits of the spirit.
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Yeah. And and I think that kind of
pulls it all together for us. So, Heather, what a tremendous
time this has been. Can you tell our listeners where
to find your book, how to enter into your world and how to how
to find you if they have questions about finances and and
what it means to follow God in ain a financially wise and a
financially, you know it. Let's go back.
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I lost my train of thought. What it looks like to follow God
in in a way that glorifies Him with our finances.
Sure. How can they enter into your
world? Yeah.
So first, I would love for you to order copy of my book.
You can find it anywhere where where your favorite books are
sold online. So you can look that way.
If you specifically go to indypubs.com, I can get you a
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discount of 30%. So you can type in MJA 20 and
that'll give you a 20% discount on on the books.
But I'm also on Facebook. You can look me up Heather Day
and or heatherday.net. These are always you.
I would love to interact with you.
I'd love to get to know you moreand just see what got's up to in
your own. Awesome.
And you've got a blog on your website too, right?
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Where you write, So yeah. I.
Do lots of good thoughts there. So so you guys check her out.
Heather, what a privilege this has been.
Really appreciate you being hereon the show and look forward to
connecting with you and staying in your world.
Thank you, It's been a pleasure.Thank you for listening to the
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