Episode 64: 'The Truth About Migraines From America's Migraine Doc' Dr. Brandon Brown

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Hey friends, and welcome back tothe Rev RX Podcast where we show
you how to thrive in faith, family, and health.
My name is Chad Potts, and I'm your host.
Today's a very special bonus episode of the Rev RX Podcast
where we get over an hour with avery special guest, one whose
work I deeply respect, Doctor Brandon Brown, AKA America's

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Migraine Dog. Doctor Brown's business went
viral on TikTok after he began to get into some of the latest
tick Tock craves and start introducing migraine education
into a lot of that platform. And here's the thing, Doctor
Brown is way more than just somesocial media doctor that doesn't
know his stuff. Doctor Brown is rooted deeply in

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science, cutting edge when it comes to migraine treatment.
And so if you suffer from migraines, which effects over 2
billion people worldwide or someone you loved us, then
you're going to have to hear this conversation.
Doctor Brown breaks down why so many traditional treatments miss
the mark and honestly, why most providers aren't even trained to
treat migraines properly. We talked about what really

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causes migraines. And he's going to give us 6
medication, free tools, his migraine optimization protocol
that you're going to love, that you can start doing today, most
of which are completely free to help you bring real relief.
So if you're a migraine sufferer, then this is for you.
If you're not, but you know others who are, please, please

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share this episode. This could help others transform
their lives by providing them relief from the thing that holds
them back the most. Without further ado, let's get
into it. Here's the truth about migraines
from America's migraine doc, Doctor Brandon Brown.
Doctor Brown, man, thank you so much for joining us today on the

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Rev RX podcast. It's a privilege to have you
here with us. Hey, I feel blessed to be here
man. I always appreciate the
opportunity. Yeah, I love your hat, girl.
Dad. That's right, my girl, that hat
with the pink on the you know, Igot my hair.
I'll see if I can get them. I got my pink shoes on too.
Yeah, look at you. You're all decked out.
My oldest is a girl. And you know, there's something
about those little girls. They get you wrapped so quick.

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But I'm glad to meet a fellow fellow dad that's all about the
all about the kids. Yeah, man.
I mean, as you know, it's one ofthose things, they come along
and they change your life in a way that you can't even imagine
so. 100. Percent, I'm sure for you
definitely with the oldest it's I'm assuming she's got you
wrapped around her finger. Yeah, and she's she's, she's the

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enforcer. Man, I bet.
Yeah, she keeps everybody in line.
No, nobody. Nobody acts up around her.
She keeps things pretty straight.
Sure. I love it.
That's awesome. She's like, now we got this.
That's right. Well, man, I, I love the work
that you're doing. It's so important, it's so
needed. But before we get into that,
man, I'd love for my listeners just to get to know you a little

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better. So if you can just man, tell us
where the journey started, wherever you want to begin.
I just love to get to know you, what drives you and who you are.
Yeah, so I'm normally more of a short story long rather than a
Long story short, So I'll obviously do my best in, in this
type of format. It is my favorite because we
could talk a little bit more in depth.
Umm, you know, specific to like my journey of, you know, working

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with people who struggle with migraine.
I, I always tell people like I fell into most of this by
accident, like the person whose life was impacted the most in
the beginning, early stages. This was my wife, Mom.
If you struggle with migraine, she was a cheerleader, lots of,
you know, little head traumas and some big head traumas that,
you know, I think probably were where a lot of that started.

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She, I mean, she tells it all the time and anytime somebody
talks to her in my office, you know, she's like, I thought I
was going to be one of those people.
You shake my purse and it makes a bunch of noise because I have
all these different medications and I've got my ibuprofen and my
Excedrin migraine. Like she thought that was going
to have to be her. And you know, she got under the
the type of care that I provide and started taking care of her

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and she got better. And for me, that's my wife.
So selfishly, I'm like, that's great.
I can't be more excited there. But in my first year of opening
up my office, so in 20/15/2016, I, you know, when you first
start, you have, you know what you're doing from a clinician
standpoint, you don't know Jack about trying to run a business

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and marketing and trying to, youknow, get a message out to
people. You're just like, hey, I need
people to come in here so they can hopefully trust me and I
will. All I know is that I promise you
that I will try everything in order to be able to help you.
I may not, you know, I may not have said it right, I may not
have the script right. I may not have done everything
right. But at least you could tell that

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I was passionate about what it is that I was doing.
Patient focused. Exactly.
And that whole model of like, build it and they will come.
That's a lie. You know, like you've got a.
Joker Niners is always hang yourshingle up on the wall.
That's what they always call it.And it's like, and they just
show up like you put it up on the wall and they're like,
there's a guy here, cool you. Know yeah I'm open for business
y'all come and then it's cricketso yeah you've.
And Yep, a. Lot of the marketing and getting

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the word out, yeah, that's that's important, but it's not
something that you learn along the way.
It's not something you learn along the way.
And for me, I think it needed a little bit of a blend of both.
Like who am I put on this earth to serve?
Who do I, who do I, who lights me up and gets me fired up when
I'm taking care of them? And in my first year, I always
say there was 2 migraine patients that I had only two and
they both had had migraine for like 15 plus years and had tried

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everything. Go to the bar because they had a
really bad attack. Get, you know, told that they
just have migraine, their tests are clear.
Go start doing their research. Start with the over the counter
stuff that's not working. Go to your PCP.
Hey, we'll try to get you into aneurologist.
But if you want this approved byinsurance, we've got to go.
We got to we got to try blood pressure medication and anti

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seizure medication and these things before we can get that
approved. And then we'll get you into a
neurologist that you hopefully don't have to wait six months to
a year to get into, but you probably do.
And then they're going to tell you because you've waited so
long and done your research, thesame things that you expected to
hear with not much of a difference.
And you know, unfortunately, here's The thing is they're

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overworked and underpaid. And a lot of that too.
And they're the hands are kind of cuffed by the insurance
system as well. So it makes it, it makes it
super difficult for them. So I'm not just trying to sit
here and throw them completely under the bus, but I have met
some that are terrible. And it's like, you should not be
taking care of anyone because, you know, the, the first pain
management clinic, I had a guy come into my office.

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This was like years ago and he was basically like a Rep that
would go around and he's like, Hey, you know, we, we come into
here because it's like, if you have patients aren't getting
better, send them over to our pain clinic.
And when I kind of walked him through our process, he was
like, this is fascinating. Nobody else is doing stuff like
this. I'd love for you to come have
lunch with our doc. Maybe.
I think we should actually be sending people to you when it's

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not working out because it sounds like what you do is
something that I've never heard of, especially when it comes to
migraine. Yeah.
And so I wouldn't have lunch with them.
And I swear, like, where my deskis right here, we're in like
this really tight closet, basically, like right next to
each other. I probably got them for 5
minutes because the dude's just running from room to room and he

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just was like, yeah, I just givehim triptans.
And if it doesn't respond, it's not a real migraine.
And I was like, there's nothing that supports that based on what
I've read and in my experience. So OK.
And that was just I, I've had somany of these like eye opening
moments of just like, OK, geez, this is what this is what people
deal with. This is what they go through.
Because I think my thing is in as a probably overly empathetic

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provider, it's like, I want to try to understand what you've
gone through. And a lot of times I freak
people out because I'm like, I could probably tell you your
story from A-Z really quick if you want me to.
And they're like, you know, I'llpost videos like that on my
TikTok page. And I'll be like, raise your
hand if this is you and I get all these raised hand emojis
because they're like, that's, that's my story to AT plus or
minus maybe a few things. But to go back to the short

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story long again is I always tell people, it's not like
there's a class in school that Iwent to and they're like, this
is migraine class. We're going to teach you all
about this. Like migraine was a percent of a
percent of a percent of a class that we learned.
That was probably like 3 test questions that I had to know the
difference between a classic anda common migraine.
I had to know headache stuff. And it was like, you don't, you

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don't really learn about it. There's not a ton of education
out there. There's not a lot that people
know about it. So then you're talking about a
group of over a billion people worldwide who struggle with
something that we apparently don't know a whole lot about.
So when I fortunately started doing that, I started talking
about it a little bit more. I got fortunate that I had a

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patient in my second year that was also a business coach that
was like, hey, can I give you some advice?
And he's like, you're basically everything for everyone, which
means you do nothing for no one basically, because that's
confusing to people. They don't understand that.
And he was like, if you could only take care of one type of
patient in your clinic, what would it be?
I was like, migrant patients, they love it in here.
We crush it. And he goes, you should try that

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and see how it goes. So I'm like, OK, fine.
So I'm like, you know, it's one of those words like, yeah,
whatever. You know, I'm starting to try to
figure out this Facebook and Instagram thing.
I'm trying to get this going. I'm like, OK, I'll try and it it
definitely was like, it's working.
I screwed up and I niche myself down too hard and it's like it's
not working. And you kind of go through these
ebbs and flows of things. And then I always tell people

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I'm like, my life changed when Idownloaded Tick Tock I in my
group of docs. It's sort of become the like, I
love making videos, I love making content.
I love doing this stuff. So it's like I like to try to
figure out what I can do to get in front of people and get in
front of eyeballs organically orpaid.
Like whatever it is is going to get me in front of people
because if you can connect me, like if you can give me an
audience of people, oh, I'm in heaven.

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Like now we're talking. It's like cool, now that y'all
are here, let me share somethingreally cool with you.
So when I started doing that, everyone started asking me about
TikTok when it was getting popular.
And I was like, at first I said no, I'm not going to download
that. Like I'm not trying to market to
kids. But in like the fall of 2019, I
ended up downloading the app andmostly just from a consumer

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standpoint was like consuming content and then started posting
some stuff. And a lot of it was too, I
wanted to grab my for my branding at the migraine doc.
I wanted to grab that and have ahold of it just in case I ever
did. Because like, if there's a
platform that comes out, you should probably grab your handle
because that's valuable for yourbranding.
So I did that and then I was like, I'm going to start kind of

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playing around with this. And then, you know, I'm
listening to the Gary Vees of the world and the people that
are like, dude, you got to be onhere.
And I was, in hindsight, I understand why it happened, but
at the time I was like, I couldn't figure it out.
But I can remember. I mean, when people are like,
oh, I want to grow an audience on TikTok, I'm like, that's
awesome. You should.
And they're like, what did you do to grow yours?
And I'm like 3 to 5 videos a day, every single day for like a

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year at least. They're like, seriously.
And I said yes. And I said, but here's the
thing. At that point, I had my
messaging down pretty well. I had who I was after pretty
well. And I had like how we did that
down decently. I did learn from my audience.
They taught me like functional nervous system testing is a, is
a term that I coined based on the fact that when I talked

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about the scans that we use, people were like, I've already
had that done. And they would immediately
delete me and swipe away. And I'm like, no, no, no, no,
wait. What I do is completely
different from anything that you've tried.
And so I was like, what do I call this?
And trying to figure it out, butI can remember January 1st of
2020, I hit 5000 followers on like January 1st.
That day I woke up and I was like, that was better than any

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of my other platforms. And I think of all the numbers
that I've hit now, that was probably the one that was the
most excited about it was I, I worked super hard for it.
And then the date that I always tell people to change my life
was June or July 3rd of 2020. I there was 2 times I was

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talking about two times I skipped one.
The first one was during March of 2020 which everyone knows is
COVID. We didn't know what was going
on. We thought we might go outside
and find people dead in the streets.
We didn't know. I had a family who found me on
TikTok and flew their daughter down from Alaska to come stay at
my clinic for a week and let me take care of her.
And I was like, I've never done anything like this before.

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So I talked to my coaches and I talked to some other docs.
I was like, what do I do? Like my process isn't typically
that fast. Like I can do that.
But I just wanted to make sure that I was being smart about
what I was doing. But I was like, man, if during a
time when there's like crazy stuff going on, a family's like,
this is so important to us that we're going to bring her down.
I was like, OK, that I'm, I'm onto something here at least.

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So then I just started to post. It was like more, it was
legitimately like three to five times a day.
They're like, well, what do you say?
I'm like, I say the same thing over and over with a different
TikTok trend or a different whatever or different hook.
And I just keep saying, I said, you get tired of your message,
but they don't. You think that they yeah, how
many times have you had to hear yourself say whatever it is that
you're doing or go over that? It's like, you've said that so

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much. You could say it in your sleep.
They have other stuff going on in their life.
You're not the top priority, butwhen it becomes the top priority
that it needs to be fixed and you're the person that provides
it, then it's a win win. But you can't get tired of
sharing your message over and over and over again.
So on July 3rd, I came to the office to see patients.

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It's the day before 4th of July.I needed to record a video
before I left because I was going to be driving to Oklahoma
to go see family and we only hadmy oldest at that point.
She was 3 getting ready to be three hand.
I there was this TikTok trend and it was like, you do this
like little shoulder shimmy thing.
And it was like, OK. And so jokingly at my old
office, I had like the little like crossbar on the door that

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you like push to open and close it.
And I would always set my phone up on there and that.
So when people walked in the office, what they saw was what
they had always seen on my videos.
It was the same background. And so they're like, they would
walk in. They're like, Oh, I'm here.
This is what I've seen so many times in all your videos.
It's that place. So I set that up.
I come walking through the doorway around the hall and I
like walk forward and I do the dance.

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And I'm like, when you've been struggling with migraines and
then you find a dock on TikTok, like something like that, I post
it up. I go to my house, I'm loading up
the car, get everybody loaded upand I'm driving us to Oklahoma.
And mind you, I had actually just hired someone to help me
because we were slowly starting to get busier and I needed

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somebody to help me. And on my profile, I have a link
where you can schedule an appointment request to ask for
an appointment with me. And on my phone, I don't have
notification it's on for TikTok anymore because they're crazy.
But at the time my phone kept going crazy and I'm checking it
and that video's at 24,000 views, then it's at 60, then

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it's at 240, then it's at 300. And that day a friend of mine, I
had gotten him on TikTok becauseI was like dude, I think there's
something here. His first video ever got 1.2
million views. So then him and I had a bed of
like who was going to get to 100,000 followers first.
Well I went from 60,000 that dayto over 100 in one day.

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That's amazing. Well.
And I was like, OK, but here's the crazy part because getting
followers like those are all vanity metrics.
Like it's like it looks really cool.
I had a / 100 people reach out to schedule an appointment from
that one video. And the girl who just started
working for me, Angela, I was like, hey, I hope you're ready.
Check my e-mail that you have access to.
We're and we kept getting them for the next few days.

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So for the next three months, we're talking more people than
I've ever seen record months in the clinic.
And I'm like, holy cow, like what is going on here?
Craziness. And then, you know, I started
having people flying from acrossthe United States to come stay
with us, to come here for a few days to kind of like just all
this stuff. And I was like, literally
changed my life. And I'm like, all from an app

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that I didn't have to put any money into.
I just put time and effort into trying to grow this message of
helping people who struggle withmigraines that they don't have
to with a very, you know, unknown technique with what it
is that we do. Does it exist out there?
Yes. Are there plenty of talks that
do it? Yes.
They're just not willing to be as loud and annoying as I am
about what it is that I do. And so trust me, I've taken

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heat. I had two times where I I
unlocked the I opened the floodgates of haters.
And one time I even made my account private.
It got so bad and I called my coach and I was like, what do I
do? And he was like, talked me off
the ledge basically. And he goes, here's the thing.
He goes, is anything that they're saying true?
I said, no, He's like, do they even know?
You said they don't know anything about me?

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And he goes, you're getting mad at them when they're yelling and
saying that your purple hair is stupid and you don't have purple
hair. And I was like, immediately I
was like, it was like this. I had my ears up to my
shoulders, and that was all stressed out.
And I was like, OK, like, what does that ever matter?
But that that's kind of the, youknow, I didn't tell you all the

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things about me super quick. I can get in.
I have a beautiful and amazing wife, Haven, who I met in Tulsa
before I moved down to Dallas, which is where I practice.
I have two daughters, Remington and Eleanor.
They're seven and three. We have one on the way.
We're going to find out in literally like a few days if we
broke the streak or if we're having another girl.
So we have lived down here almost 14 years in Dallas, part

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of our community. We go to a church down here in
Mosaic, Richardson. We right now, Doctor Sarah works
for me. She has a thing that's called
the list. It's a local thing that we do to
support local businesses. It's an e-mail list that you can
be a part of. We promote a local business
every week, give away something free, and the Winds stack every
week. So if it doesn't get claimed,
then we get 2. And if it doesn't get claimed

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and they stack until someone claims it because they have to
be looking at their e-mail in order to get it.
Well, the first iteration that we did of that was during COVID
year. I would go around every week and
I would open up $100 tabs at local businesses to go support
them. So and that, I can't take credit
for that. That was my coach's idea.
He's like, we need to be supporting locally because
everyone's freaking out right now.
They don't know what's going on and they're staying in their

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homes and these businesses rely on us.
So I was fortunate enough to be considered unnecessary so I
could stay open. I never had to close down.
But that's not the case for everyone.
So we've constantly tried to serve our community and take
care of them. Because of my, you know,
community that I built, I've gotnow a book that I've written

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that, you know, it's digital right now.
I'm working on a new book that is probably going to be coming
out. I've had a podcast, I have an
online community. I've got basically my whole
thing is everything about the world of migraine, how it can
help people. I can do telehealth with people,
meet with them from afar, work with them from afar.
Like I started to understand that I could have, even though

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people weren't in here and I couldn't lay my hands on them as
a patient, I could still have animpact in the care that they
were getting and the results that they were getting, even if
it wasn't directly from me doingsomething through the services
that I provide to my local patients.
Here. Sure.
Yeah. And there's lots of ways to
enter into your world, and we'llget to that in a minute.
I'll provide links to all that, too.

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And the show knows I won't want everybody to check you out.
And man, did you ever imagine that an app on your phone would
would result in changing your life and changing your business?
That's pretty wild, right? It's so wild.
And part of me is like, in all honesty, it's like it really is
a 5050 answer. Like part of me has always been

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annoyingly optimistic of like something's going to have to do
something. Something's going to have to
give eventually like that when you're, when you're putting in
the effort and you're willing toput in the work.
And it's like, trust me, I've had times where I'm like, I
can't put, I should have kept going, but it's like I had to, I
had to take a breath. I had to stop for a minute.
And it's like, that's OK. There's going to be ebbs and
flows. But for the most part, it's

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like, I believe that if someone's out there and they're
suffering and they're literally praying right now, like God,
just give me an answer. Show me something.
There's got to be someone that can help me.
Then I need to be the one who's willing because I have a friend
of mine. He's here in Dallas and he is.
Like a Instagram coach that willhelp you.
And his rule is you're always one video away.
You're literally just one video away from it changing your

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entire life. And I'm like, I'm you living
proof of that. I've literally walked that.
I've made a dumb video that was 5 seconds long, putting the word
migraine on it and watched it literally change my life and
then impact so many people's lives.
So the, the easy answer's like, yeah, of course I did.
The other answer's like, I don'tknow, like there's so many

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people out there. Like I'm sure it was the same
for you with starting a podcast.It's like there's a million
podcasts out there. Why are you doing one?
It's like, you know, I'm going to build this up.
I'm going to build a community. I'm going to learn things, I'm
going to get skills from it hopefully.
And then who knows? This podcast thing craps out and
then it. But I learned all those skills

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and I can now carry that into something else.
At least I'm assuming that's probably been the experience.
Plus, for me, I love stuff like this because you could sit down
and talk with someone. Like, I didn't even know Chad
before this. Now we're just sitting here
shooting then because someone connected us over Facebook.
Like we can look at the negatives of social media, but
we can also overlook the positives that can come from it.

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Right, right. And that's kind of what I'm
getting at is, you know, a lot of times social media gets a bad
rap because can it be distracting?
Yes. Can it be obsessive?
Yes. Are there haters on there?
Yes, and it, it, it has so much potential and it, it's changed
your life for the better. And I just think that's, I think
that's an awesome story. And then I, I think that you hit

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on something that I think relates to a lot of people.
So kind of getting into the meathere a little bit.
A lot of people suffer from migraines.
You know, it it's, it's a small percentage of what you learned
in school. It's a small percentage of what
I learned in pharmacist school, you know, basically we were
taught, all right, you got your over the counter stuff, you've

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got your ibuprofen, you got yourTylenol, you got your Excedrin,
OK, You've got the serotonin modulators, the Imitrex,
different things like that, thatstuff that generally PCP will
will give you, you know, All right, yeah, Take this.
When you start having one and then you get into prophylaxis,
you get into prevention of migraines.
People that suffer migraines a lot, they don't want to just

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have to be reactive to it there.You know, there's a, there's an
effort and a push to try to be preventative.
But you know, from a, from a pharmacist perspective, the meds
they use for that, you know, you're looking at like you'd
mentioned before, like anti seizure meds.
I remember one thing about when I took nervous system in

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pharmacy school, we talked aboutseizures and we talked about
seizure meds. And not the one thing, but one
of the things I remember and I remember vividly is we went
through every seizure Med. And one of the things we do in
pharmaceuticals, we look at the mechanism behind it, like what
goes wrong in the body and then how does that fix it?
And with seizure meds, like theydon't know mechanism of action

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unknown. I remember with almost every
seizure Med that there was, we don't know how they work.
They just seem to work. But then we also don't know a
lot of the long term side effects from that.
And so, yeah. Are there meds for migraines?
There are. I'm from a perspective, yeah.
You know, I see them every day. But I'm all about.

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And anybody who listens to this knows this about me.
Anybody who follows me on socials knows this about me.
There's a pill for everything. But we live in a world where
things are way over prescribed. And I'm a big proponent of
natural healthy lifestyle adjustments, modifications,

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manipulations, a ways you can move your body, ways you can
change the way that you sit and you stand and all of these
things. I'm a big proponent of those
when it comes to health. I've got, I got in the pharmacy
because medications allowed my mom who has several disease
states to live a pretty normal life.
But now that I've been in pharmacy for I won't tell you

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how long too long, but now that I've been in pharmacy almost
we're almost 2 decades now, I'm realizing that OK, yeah,
medicines have their roles, but we're over relying on them.
So when that's all kind of you know, you're you're America's
migraine Dr. That's what that's what you're you're kind of your

(24:39):
catch phrase. That's your.
Proclaimed but. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't, don't
worry about the fine print. America's migraine Dr. And I'm
like, man, what's he doing? And I kind of, I kind of geeked
out on a lot of the stuff that you're teaching.
And I think it's fantastic. I think that it's important.
I think it's needed. My friends with with a girl who
suffered migraines her whole life and she saw someone similar

(25:03):
to you, they completely changed her life.
She no longer has migraines. She suffered from migraines for
her entire almost 40 years and now no longer have them.
I'd love to kind of talk about migraines.
That's a lot of me talking. And I want to get back to you.
I love this. This is great because you
started talking and I was like, oh, you, you have no idea how
much I love to get in the weeds with someone who can bend out a

(25:26):
little bit because I've also spent time studying this stuff
outside of what's even covered. I have a full, I don't have my
backpack with me today, but it'slike I have a full thing that
breaks down all the triptans, their mechanism of action, what
they're used for and how they'remostly used to enact on the
brain stem, which we can get into later.
But it's a lot of the, hey, these are the, I think it's, is

(25:48):
it 7 or 9? I think there's like 9 time
spaces that you can get. And it's there, you know,
whether they're oral nasal, likethey're, trust me as someone
that's like, people are usually amazing.
Listen, if you want to get into this stuff, we can get into it.
Most of the time it's like you don't care.
But I want to know because I want to know what things have
you been on? Yeah.

(26:08):
Right. I'm also always fascinated in
what you brought up. We don't know what he's doing
the long term and we also don't know what these things do to get
there. At some point we can like put a
little pin in it, but I would love to get into as well.
I don't know how much you've looked into it.
The CGRP receptor blocker medications, which are very hot
right now in the migraine space and not cheap and I find it very

(26:32):
interesting. I bet I've got, I'm like, do I
still have these in here? Did I move them?
I have people that are cool thatfollow me.
Where did I put those? I bet I moved them over here.
I have inserts for lots of random, so I've got a Ubrelvy
insert right here. I got a Nurtek ODT here.

(26:55):
It's like I literally like nobody ever looks at these
things. It's just like.
You're on every bottle. Let's just look at the size of
this here, like what we're talking about and it's most of
the time. Here's the thing, if you, if you
live with migraine, I can guarantee you this, you do not
have the time to dive into what this is talking about or any of

(27:16):
that stuff. You went to your doctor, he told
you this is what you should takeand you were like, all right,
this is the guy, he's the specialist, he's the
neurologist. This is where I go, this is what
I'm going to do. And I always ask the question
like triptans is a great one. You're only allowed to have 8 to
9 triptans a month. Usually 9 is your cut off

(27:37):
because it becomes unsafe for you to have that many.
So if it's unsafe or you'd have more than nine in a month, then
what's the 365 turn around of that?
So if it's unsafe in large amounts, well then what is it
when it's large amounts over a longer span of time?
Cumulative, yeah. What is that?
Is there studies out there aboutthat?

(27:58):
Not that I've seen or not that Iknow of.
There might be some, you might be able to tell me, but it's
like we don't typically have a lot of things that go into that
or people that even want to spend the time.
Trust me, I talk to a lot of people in my profession.
They're like, how do you know about this stuff?
Or what do you do? I'm like, because I want to
know. I want to understand.

(28:18):
Both sides of it. I want to understand what things
that you've gone through on thatside, but I want to also be able
to then understand why what I'm doing has the impact that it
does and why it makes the changes.
So I went off on a whole thing there.
And I know you wanted to talk about.
No, I was there. Was there any specifics?
Cuz I know you said you kind of looked at it.
Was there anything you wanted meto touch on?

(28:39):
Yeah. Well, I'd like to just start big
picture. I want to start off by saying
too that you know what, what we're saying it we're not saying
stopping meds, but we're saying look at things differently.
That's one of the things we talked about before we hopped on
here. One of the things that you know
about me is, you know, trying totake control of your own
Healthcare is a big belief of mine.
A lot of times we go to the traditional standard American

(29:02):
marketplace for physicians and pharmacists and everybody else.
And but here's the thing, as good as your doctor may be, as
good as you're fill in the blank, maybe they're not going
to have your best interest at heart like you do.
Nobody. Is and there's nothing
intentional with that. It's just, you know, you, you
have high stakes in your own health care.

(29:24):
So I try to encourage people learn as much as you can about
your disease state, about what it is that ails you, about what
it is that's causing you problems.
Learn as much as you can. The information's out there, you
know, in a hesitate when I say do your own research because
code would kind of ruin that fora lot of people.
But but you know what I mean? Like the information is out
there to learn you and that's why we have.

(29:46):
Doctor, all sides look at both sides.
So my thing is always look at both sides.
I think in so many things that we do where like this is my side
and this is where I stand. One of the things to like, since
we we sort of touched on it earlier is like to to learn
about a little bit about me is like in my family, my wife can't

(30:06):
stand there, but we love to debate and for and just for the
sake of debating, just for fun. Yeah.
And then we'll go. I might pick a side of something
that I adamantly disagree with, but I understand they're arguing
points and why they feel that way.
My thing is a lot of times we could sit down, we could sit
there, you could express yours, I could express mine and we'd be

(30:27):
like, I can understand why you feel that way.
I understand that. Hey, I got a better idea of why
you look at it this way. Cool.
I'm glad that we have a slightlynew perspective now.
You probably didn't change it the way that you did you.
I'm probably not changing mine, but at least we can do it in a
respectful way. And I think a lot of times,
because I see this and what I dois there's a way that you treat

(30:47):
migraines and there's a way thatyou do that.
And when you oppose that, it rides the line of getting people
very upset because they're like,my gosh, why would you ever do
that? And I legitimately say because I
think sometimes it can be a waste of time for people.
It can be a waste of energy. It can be a lot of things that
you're missing out on. And it can be a massive
frustration that people could have just skipped all of that if

(31:10):
we would have just looked at this a little bit differently
and been willing to work together and not just like, hey,
whatever. Because I always tell Page that
too. I'm like, you keep seeing
whoever you want to see. You keep working with them.
If they want to work with me, that's great.
If you're going to be on something, just let me know.
Whatever that stuff is, I'm going to work because I know
that it's better me being a partof your team than being like,

(31:31):
you should be on my team and screw everyone else.
That's not really going to work.Well, a little empathy goes a
long ways. And, you know, I think that
message is one that I didn't, I didn't plan this when we were
thinking about a migraine episode.
But I love how we're going through this conversation
because, yeah, you know, it's not.
We're not. We're not saying medicines are
bad and chiropractor care is great.
We're not saying the opposite either.

(31:53):
What we're saying is learn all you can, make an educated
decision about yourself and learn what the options are.
Because here's the thing, a lot of people don't know that
there's any other options to treat migraine other than to
take medication. And so we're going to jump into
that. Can you tell us just a little
bit about migraines? All right, So do we know what
causes them? A lot of things in the brain and

(32:14):
there's, you know, a couple different proposed mechanisms,
but you know, a lot of things inthe brain are unknown.
It's kind of the the the last uncharted territory, you know,
if there's lots of things we don't understand.
But in layman's terms, what causes migraines?
How common are they and what aresome of the biggest triggers
that you see in your practice? This is I'm so glad I'm doing
this. This is so fun.
This is the most refreshing. It's like, hey, talk about your

(32:37):
one of your favorite things to really nerd out about.
There you go. I think it's statistically like
one in four households. So if you were driving through
your neighborhood and you just counted 1234, somebody in that
household probably struggles with migraine and you could just
go house by house and start to realize the neighborhoods and
the like. I'm in Dallas, there's a lot.
So it's like 1 in every four, which also probably

(32:57):
statistically tells me I should just be going door to door if I
had the time. And it's like, hey, does anybody
in here struggle with migraines?And it's like, I'm going to hit
3 and then there's going to be 1and then you might hit one.
And then, you know, it's just statistically it's big.
It's over a billion people worldwide.
It's like over 300. I can't remember what it is in
the United States. I think it's a lot.
I can't remember what our population is, but it's a, the
amount is staggering and the impact that it starts to have on

(33:21):
miss days at work. There's so much that it starts
to impact and take away from because just for my migraine
peeps out there, I'm going to defend you.
A migraine is not a headache. I think a lot of times that
stuff gets confused and especially we even use the term
migraine headaches or you have migraine headaches and a lot of
the migraine community gets frustrated.
Even by that. Because it seems like they're

(33:43):
all and it's like, I've had bad headaches and then I've had a
really bad one before and it's like, cool.
Now imagine the worst one that you could ever have.
Imagine that you're vomiting uncontrollably, that you're
dizzy, that you have nausea, that your vision is closing in
or that your eyes are being super sensitive to light.
Everything is being thrown off. Like imagine all of these

(34:05):
sensations. Your smells are bad, your taste
is like because it's neurological, it has an impact
on your nervous system. It impacts and crosses over so
many systems inside of your body.
So I love watching like the migraine World Summit every year
because it gets me fired up about they, no offense.
I, I still have been too chickento do it, but it's like, I want
to have my own event that basically counteracts that

(34:26):
because it's famous people with migraine and medical doctors and
they sit there. And here's the thing, I'm not
pretending to have all the answers, but I have a different
set of glasses that I wear to view this world.
And I think there's a logical explanation for a lot of things.
Hey, if migraine's neurological,then how come it impacts my
heart or my blood pressure? Hey, if migraine's neurological,
then how come it has an impact on my digestive system or it

(34:49):
gives me IBS or I have constantly, how come those
things are they're happening? If it is this, if it is this,
how come I don't have any pain, but I just have really bad
balance issues and I struggle with this.
You know, you get a type like vestibular migraine.
There's, you know, a myriad of different types that we have and
all these things that are going on when we get into the migraine
world and it gets frustrating because you're like, I feel like

(35:10):
I can't get any answers or directions or you're just like,
I'm getting them and it's like, OK enough for what they want.
Like sometimes there's people like that and I'm like, cool, if
you're happy with the systems that you put in place for that
and you feel like it's working, I'm like, that's fine.
One of my new terms that I'm working on and I'm like, I'm
sort of changing the, my phrasing around things is like,

(35:32):
I want to come up with what I'm calling a migraine optimization
plan. And you said this earlier, it's
one of my favorite things. I don't think you worded it this
way, but one of my plans is let's be proactive rather than
reactive. Most of the time with migraine,
we sit and wait till we have one, then we do something.
What we have to realize is that your nervous system, much like
your musculoskeletal system, needs to be strengthened the

(35:54):
same way that you would with exercises and weight training
and running. You can also do exercises that
would strengthen and improve thehealth and function of your
nervous system. So for me, instead of sitting
and waiting for a problem to happen, you wouldn't do that.
That's why people have insuranceon their home or insurance on a
business or insurance on a car. I'm going to wait till I'm in an
accident and then I get it. Well, that's not how it works.

(36:15):
You'd be in trouble. Then they'd be like, we're not
going to cover that. You had that before this or you
know, I would wait to get. There's so many things where
it's like we would never and logically do that in other
things. And that makes sense to us.
But with migraine, we've been trained and I think some of that
is our system. I'm not throwing docs.
You mentioned it earlier. There are horrible docs in my
profession. There are horrible docs that are

(36:36):
horrible in, in anything that you can go do.
They're bad restaurants. There's bad lawyers, there's bad
mechanics. There's.
Bad apples everywhere. They're everywhere and it's
somehow they graduated or they did whatever, or they're in it
for the wrong reasons. They just don't care about great
service. But I guarantee you when you
find someone that you know us about that you latch on to them
and you're like, that's where I'm going.
That's my person. That's this dude.

(36:58):
And a lot of times you're like, and he has people for me.
And that's always another thing try to have is like, I'm not
expecting to give you all the answers, but I might have some
other things that we can also bedoing in order to try to solve
this. Because one of my rules is like
when we start getting overly complicated, we've lost the,
we've lost, we lost the road here.
We're really in the fog right now.

(37:19):
We can't see anything. My thing is like, we should
really be able to radically simplify this down into some
very basic things that we need to be able to do.
And if you'll have the disciplines in order to
implement them often enough and frequent enough, we'll start to
then get on the better side of what it is that we're
experiencing when it comes to migraine.
So in the migraine world, like we talked about, it's very

(37:41):
rampant, it's very frequent. A lot of what people deal with
is like what I talked about. A headache is a symptom of a
migraine. A migraine is not a headache.
They're not the same thing. And you can have so many
different types of headaches. And if we really want to open a
can of worms, you can start dealing with other things that
come along with it. So there's you can have
vestibular migraine or you couldjust have Vertigo that comes
along with it. We can also start having

(38:04):
different types of migraines. So in my experience, I tell
patients they probably deal withtwo to four different types.
So you're probably diagnosed with a specific type, but you're
getting hemiplegic where you getstroke like symptoms and
numbness and weakness and aphasia where you can't talk
right and you can't articulate your words and you feel like
you're disconnected from your brain.
Basically. There are so many different ones

(38:25):
that you can get. So it feels hard to get a
direction. And I tell people a lot of times
I'm like, I know you're not justdrug seeking.
I know you're trying to look foranswers because you feel like if
you, if we have a name for it, then we can try to figure it
out. But then on top of that, we can
have, you know, pseudo tumor cerebrae or idiopathic
intracranial hypertension, whichis a type of internal head

(38:46):
pressure that it's called idiopathic, which is a fancy
doctor term for. We don't know where this comes
from. We're not quite sure where this
started or why this is happening.
But you're having this, one of the things that we see all the
time, it's super common in here and they tend to kind of come
together because it's a neurological issue that you're
struggling with. What else?
I kind of, I hammer on some of those.

(39:07):
And then you had some other questions, I think.
That and I think it's a really good starting place for us
because we realize how in in there, I'm sure there's tons of
listeners out there list that are, that are hearing this and
they're, they're like, yeah, man, that that describes me.
I'm a migraine sufferer if you use that word.
And there is a lot. So I've actually heard people

(39:29):
say someone calls in sick with amigraine and I've heard people
say, OK, well you got a headacheagain or it kind.
Of rolled this to be able to getoff work.
Yeah, right, right. And so, you know, I'm like, no,
no, not the same. So I've, you know, of course
we've all had headaches. We know what that feels like.
And we've probably had occasional bad headaches.
I experienced my first migraine at the age of like 26 and I was

(39:55):
sitting at work and all of a sudden I saw heat waves.
Oh. Just the, you know, it looked
like there was, there were heat waves coming off of everything.
It scared me to death. I mean that, you know, you go
from our what's going on here tothen like almost borderline
panic attack. Big time.
Extremely scary. Then I had the worst headache of

(40:17):
my life. Which is also scary because it's
a red flag in the medical systemfor us.
It should trigger something in your head of like, hey, we need
to go get this checked out. You might need to go to the ER
because worst headache that I'veever experienced in my life.
We're always taught red flag marks that you could be having a
stroke. There could be something else
that's going on. We could have be having some,
you know, TBI or something like that that's going on.

(40:39):
And it's we've got to get you potentially somewhere to rule
that out, which I know I don't tell you or anyone that's
listening not to panic you because a lot of times I'll tell
you they're not going to find anything.
But if they do, sure, we want tomake sure that we roll that out.
That's fine. But I mean, it's a lot of people
experience exactly what it is that you're talking about and

(41:00):
it's extremely scary. And then you look it up on WebMD
because now we've got the accessand it's like, well, it could
just be this, or you could literally be dying.
Like you could be having a stroke.
This could be going on. And it's like, and where do we
typically go? We don't go with the light.
We don't go with like, it's probably no big deal.
My gosh, yeah, I think I'm literally having a stroke right

(41:20):
now. Holy crap.
What do I do? Or I can't speak clearly.
And I did remember one of the things, So here's an interesting
1. I had a comment about this the
other day and somebody who's a medical student on my TikTok was
like, oh, this is a common misconception.
Because one of the things I'll just tell you now, I have a
unique approach that I think most migraines, I'm careful

(41:42):
about how I say this, most migraines I believe are
cervicogenic or they start in your neck.
There's an issue that's going onwith your neck.
There's a reason that I believe this and I can explain why.
But I had a medical student dealt with migraines before.
He's in his last year and he's like, you know, you're talking
about tension headaches. This is a very common
misconception. Migraine is actually a rapid
depolarization of the brain. And so they're thinking that

(42:04):
there's this like wave of depolarization of all these
neurons inside of your brain that are causing these ischemic
like attacks inside of there or causing, you know, neuropeptides
and all sorts of coenzymatic reactions that are leaving, you
know, leftover stuff inside of your brain that are causing all
these problems. So I took that information and

(42:24):
put it into ChatGPT because I wanted to see like ChatGPT has
access to tons of information. So I said, hey, is migraine
this? And it was like, no, this is a
common misconception. This is what was believed.
Here's 4 reasons why. There's a vascular component
that we know there's a neurological component.
And then of course, I've been teaching about what I do.

(42:45):
So it's like there's also this component of things that plays
into here. So it's like, Hey, I appreciate
that. I'm aware that I don't do what
you do, but you're also, no offense, still in school.
And I've been doing this for 10 years almost.
So it's like there's a little bit different of and there's
also just a different way that Iview this world.
But I that was a fun video. I was like, ladies and
gentlemen, we have finally solved migraine.

(43:06):
This comment right here is like,that's what it is.
Yep. And then I went on like, I
didn't share my opinion. Let me just ask ChatGPT and
then, hey, can you give me your sources?
So I'm like sharing all this, but it's because I'm super
protective of my message becauseI think it's one that goes
against what people typically would think.
And so most of the time, I don'tthink people would know this,

(43:27):
but it's like I'm pretty calculated when I'm going to
start saying something or using it in my messaging because I
think there's a reason. And it's like, this is I'm
typically the antagonist. If this is what everyone else
says, I say this. And if this is where everyone
else goes, I go here like, and sometimes there's a reason.
And then sometimes like, well, that just doesn't logically make
any sense. Like at some point we can get

(43:49):
into Botox. That one to me makes no sense.
Inhibitory to your vagus nerve yet.
Yet we're just going to put it in there.
And it's also a toxin that we'reterrified to get to babies.
But we'll give it to you in droves, all around your head in
60 plus injection sites because you're in pain.
Yeah, yeah. And that's the thing.
When people are in pain, they'redesperate.
Big time. And that's what's dangerous.

(44:10):
Yeah, exactly. So, you know, having experienced
it, and that's happened several times since then.
So having experienced that, likeI know now first hand, it's kind
of hard to explain if you haven't experienced it first
hand. It's easy to just dismiss it as
a headache. But you know, we really need to
understand it and again, practice that empathy that we
talked about earlier and realizing that, you know, hey

(44:31):
man, there's something to this and you like you can't work with
a migraine. I'm going to go out and just say
that, you know, if you, it's very, very, very difficult, if
not impossible to carry on any kind of high function activity
when you're in the in the throesof a migraine.
And would you, would you agree with that?
Big time. And it's sort of is tough both

(44:51):
ways because I watch people and it's like, I don't have any
options. So they're people are like, oh,
you must not actually be experienced in that.
If you're able to function, it'slike, well, some people over
longer periods of time when they've dealt with it, figure
out ways to overcome it. And maybe with the treatments
that they're doing, it's at least giving them enough of an
ability of like, I got to be able to do something because you

(45:12):
do have some people, you know, those people in your life that
are just like, I got to do, I'm going to figure this out.
I'm going to overcome it some way somehow.
Exactly. And so there are those people,
they do exist. And in those it's like, OK, I, I
understand that and I get it. But yes, you are right.
It is very rare that someone's going to be able to because like

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you talked about, this was what you experienced these like
temperature waves. I noticed for a lot of my male
clients, it's like they have problems with temperature
regulation or they'll get overheated too easily, which
when we start to get into, it's like, that makes sense.
Your temperature regulation centers are in your brain stem.
Your brain stem is what's being choked off and inhibited in my
opinion. Because here's the thing, I
think we get very distracted by the brain.

(45:55):
I had a patient one time, she was like, I told my doc that
it's like, I think it's startingin my neck.
And he goes, no migraines start on the top of your head.
And if it's not up here, that's not what you're dealing with.
And it's like, I don't know where they got that from.
But here's the problem too, is who you're going to see willing
to keep their nose in the information that's coming out.
Because if they're not the system and things are advancing

(46:16):
and knowledge is advancing, but they're not.
This is just what they were told.
And that's the thing too is, youknow, is if you are, if you're
practicing, fill in the blank. We're all the time learning new
information and and so don't don't always assume you know the
latest and greatest. And so I'm going to preface it

(46:36):
by saying that. So you know someone who deals
with primarily migraines, Yeah, I'm good.
They're going to be my go to. But let me ask you this.
So I remember learning about triggers to migraines.
Is that still something that we consider to be the case,
something that triggers the neurological involvement of all
that, or is that kind of an old thing that has fallen out of

(46:56):
favor? So it's definitely still
popular, but I think the problemis, is you're having new people
that are coming along and this is the conversation.
Like if you're hanging out at a party and you go over to a group
of people and you're going to jump in that conversation,
you're not going to come in and they're going to be talking
about boats and you're going to be like, man, rollerblading is
really fun, right? Like, no, this is the
conversation that they're happening.

(47:18):
And I know that might be a terrible example, but in the
migraine world, that's a very common term that we grab onto is
triggers. So I actually have a whole
chapter about this in my book because I was like, I was told
you should still talk about it. So I basically preface in that
chapter, this is my, my viewing of how I look at this.
I actually stole this from Gary Braca.

(47:39):
So Gary Braca talks about this from an allergy standpoint when
someone's like, oh, if I have gluten or dairy, like it does
this. And then and oh, I'm super sick
and I blow up like a tick and he's like, well, do you ever
have times where you can have itand that not be the case?
So I do the same thing. It's alcohol, it's chocolate,
it's coffee, it's these things. I'm like, OK, well, you ever
have a time where you can have in it not And they're like,

(48:01):
actually that is interesting. You know, when I was on
vacation, I'm like this, I'm like, OK, so when you are in
more of a relaxed day without a bunch of stress going on, you
were actually able to have it. That's interesting.
So I go off of the standpoint ofI call them sensitivities, not
triggers, because I always say atrigger should be consistent,
not transient. It shouldn't be able to just go

(48:24):
and it's like, oh, it's sometimes.
Or this is like, no, if you havean allergy to peanuts, it is
consistent. Unless a patient works on that
to try to improve it or to try to change it and they get under
specific therapies for that, it's not going to like, well,
it's like, sometimes I'm allergic to this medication that
I was told to be never given andsometimes I'm not, doesn't work
that way. It's consistent every single

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time. So when it's transient like that
and it's changing for me, it's like, well, then you potentially
have a sensitivity to it. So could you genetically have an
issue with that? Could you environmentally have
an issue with that? Could you neurologically like
your system can't handle it? Like there's reasons that we
could find that that would be the thing most common. 1
weather. I'm very sensitive to weather.

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And I'm like, well, yeah, that'sbecause you're having issues
with blood flow and cerebral spinal fluid flow.
You're just a big bag of fluid. And so we know by Boyle's law,
when pressure drops down, the fluid expands.
So of course, if we've got pressure and then fluid expands
inside of a closed container, that's going to create more
pressure to the structures around it and cause you to be
like, it makes my eyes hurt, I have vision problems, my head

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gets really tight and tense or Ifeel like that's when the
migraines get the worst. That's very common.
And I would give you that when you're not able to control that.
But if everyone was susceptible to that, then everyone would get
migraines. But I've never had a migraine
due to a due do a barometric pressure change.
So I think it's still talked about a lot, but it's it's one

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of those things for me, it's like, I think that's a way to
keep you stuck on the hamster wheel that is migraine
treatment. That's just like, let me take
out the things that you love andlike, and let's just cut
everything out. Do you know how many people have
sat down with me and they're like, I've eliminated
everything, I've done all this stuff and I'm like, how's that
working out for you? Not really well.
Yeah. I'm like then we're focused on
the wrong theme. Yeah, your quality of life is

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not what it should be. Exactly.
Yeah, so along those lines. All right, so I appreciate the
clarification you provided. Think that's super, super
helpful. I I LED you a little bit there,
but I was, I was wanting to go there.
What are some things? So if we've got people
listening, dealing with migraines, it's problematic.
They're on this hamster wheel, like you said, you know, mostly

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reactive. You know, I've got this medicine
I take if I get one that I'm still going to get one and it's
still going to take an hour to take effect and, you know, it's
problematic. What are some things kind of as
we wind down a little bit here that people can do at home to
help with migraine treatment? And then if you could summarize
what your approach to migraines are and then you know kind of

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gear that way. Perfect.
So whenever I make recommendations, I'll kind of
preface this with, I typically see two types of people.
The person that's like, I don't care what it costs or what I
have to do. I will do anything and I have
recommendations for that type ofperson.
And then I catch people that arelike, hey, this is my first,
second, third migraine. I'm not quite sure.
I don't know what I should be doing.

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I'm still trying to figure this out and I want to be very
careful and I'm concerned. I don't want to have to.
I don't know a lot of people that are like people like the
easier way, but I don't know a lot of people that inherently
are like, just give me medications like that's fine.
That's not necessarily the approach that they want to take.
So I typically put this under like, there's two schools and
there's a lot of ways that you can do this.

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What I would warn people is don't discount what I'm saying
just because you're like, well, I've tried all that stuff.
Well then you're probably on thespectrum of like, we need to do
something a little bit more direct in the treatment that
we're trying to do. Because one of the things I tell
people, most people are looking for tips and tricks and hacks
rampant throughout the the just Internet and social media.

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There's not a lot of tips and tricks when it comes to cancer.
You don't see them anywhere. And if you did, you'd probably
think they're BS. There could be some holistic
ways that you might go about thetypes of treatment that you're
doing, and I understand that, but when you have a problem
that's that serious, and that's how I consider migraine is
towards that level of seriousness.

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There's a way that you want to approach this now from a
strengthening my nervous system and just from a what people
should be experiencing. I have what I call the migraine
relief Blueprint. So this is something new that I
came up with. It's basically the next book
that I'm going to be working on.That name might change, but I
essentially have these, you know, like 5 to 6 things that I

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recommend that you do. So I'll give like a quick
rundown of them because I was like, I know this is where this
is going to go. So you might not necessarily
like all these, but know that I've tested them out on me.
I've recommended them for people.
I put them out on my social media.
I've got the stats that show that this is the stuff that
works. And if you find things that are
on top of that, I'm more than willing to go.
And I'm adding this because I'veseen that it has impact.

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So for me, my pillars are cold breath work, hydration, sleep,
grounding and movement. Those are the things that we
have to have. So cold is we need to have some
level of cold exposure. Now if you're in Texas like me,
you're going to have a hard timegetting your showers cold enough
in the summer for that to actually work.
So you might have to actually goto a place or make the

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investment to get that. But like lately I've been out of
practice of it. I've just been doing cold
showers and get back into it andguess what?
It sucks. I get it.
You'll hyperventilate, you'll cry, you'll be in pain.
What you have to realize is the activation that it's getting of
your nervous system. When you activate your nervous
system to the level I'm talking about, emotions and memories and
all sorts of things live inside of there.

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So you're going to, you're goingto experience those two and is
it gonna be easy? No.
But if you'll do it consistentlyover and over, you cannot beat
discipline. You just cannot beat it.
So even when you're sick, if youwere, if you were to sit there,
I always tell people, I'm like, let's find your, let's find your
anchor, your mantra. What's the thing that we're
going to anchor to? And it's like if I do this, it

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will get me this, if I'm willingto do this, this is where it's
like, let's figure that out for you because everyone's going to
phrase it a little bit different, but it's if we're
willing to do these things cold,we need like 12 minutes a week.
So that's three minutes. I don't think you need to do
more than 3 minutes of my recommendation.
More than 3 minutes full body submersion under cold water is

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the top echelon best that you could do.
Then we've got like cold showers.
Then we got like standing outside while it's cold.
Then we've got like an ice pack on our neck to calm down our
vagus nerve. There's varying levels of cold
that we can do. If you're in the middle of a a
migraine attack, you're probablynot going to want to go do cold.
You can and I would recommend it.
But as a hack, you could take a ice pack, a bag of peas,

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whatever it is, and you can activate your vagus nerve runs
along here. Most people will say on your
chest, which you can also do, oron the side of your neck.
And it at first might cause you to feel like it's escalating,
but typically it'll activate andcalm things down.
Another one that I'll get peopleis a bonus.
This is a video on my tick tock.You can stimulate what's called
your mammalian dive reflex. So get a bowl of water, the

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biggest that you can get fillingfull of ice and water and let it
get cold. Shove your hands in there for as
long as you can get them in there.
I'm talking hold them suckers. And it's you're going to be
like, this is terrible. And then I want you to dunk your
face in there and hold it in there as long as you can.
You could do this on repeat two or three times.
You're stimulating your mammalian dive reflex.
It can calm your heart rate down.

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This is you can look this up your mammalian dive reflex, it
can calm your nervous system down.
It's a super easy one to do. People all the time comment on
that video. That video has probably got like
a couple million views on TikTok.
People like this worked. I can't believe it like crazy
stuff. Breath would so breath work or
breathing oxygen. Your body has to stay oxygenated
and when you're stressed out andin pain, you probably breathe

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even worse. So I stole this one.
It's another one, whether you have an opinion about Gary
Bricker or not. I get a he's not a doctor, but
the guys on to some stuff. He likes to do 30 breasts.
I don't think my people can handle that.
I say 15. So we're doing 15 breasts kind
of as quick as we can. We're not trying to
hyperventilate on the 15th. We want to hold that in for as
long as possible. 1520 thirty seconds, then we're going to let

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that out and we're going to go through another cycle.
We do that three times. That's a super easy one.
Here's the thing, both things I've told you so far, if you do
it in a shower and if you do this are free, free, you could
do this on your own. It's literally just you being
willing to do these things. Next one, hydration.
Everyone tells you to drink water and you're like, if one
person tells me to drink water again from our migraines, I'm
going to punch them in the face and I'm with you.

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Don't just say drink water, but we actually need to make sure
that we're mineralizing our water.
So whether it's Baja gold or Celtic sea salt or even at the
lowest end, like I've got a company that I work with called
Buoy that they've got little like even squirted.
And everything that you drink tosome level we need to be getting
minerals back in our body because minerals are what your
body uses in order for certain enzymatic functions.

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So for my body to break things down and build things, we need
magnesium, we need calcium, we need potassium, we need all of
these things physiologically inside of our body for this to
work. Where it gets those from is in
our diet and in the water that we drink.
So we're doing a good job of clearing out things in our water
so that it's not poisonous for us or not bad, but we're also
stripping it of the things that would be good and so.

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Important. Mineralizing your water, super
easy way to be able to do that sleep.
Oh my gosh, of course we got to talk about sleep.
Now here's the thing with sleep.I have like a whole full
protocol that we do on this. I'm like, you should have a
nighttime routine. You should have a journal to
dump all the bowl that's in yourhead to get it out.
The temperature of your room should be cold.
Your internal temperature needs to drop by like two or three

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degrees for you to get deep breathful sleep.
There's supplementation that we can do, but I don't like to
necessarily only depend on that,our blue light exposure, the
light exposure before we go to bed, all those things.
But my biggest tip when we're tracking sleep is get something
that tracks that. Because if we're not tracking
it, then we don't know if it's working.
So that's why we do blood tests.That's why I do functional

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nervous system testing. If we're not tracking the
progress, then we're just guessing on whether it's working
or not. So you can get an aura ring, you
can get a circle plus ring, you can get a whoop.
That's what I have. I'm not sponsored by them.
I wish they would, but I have patients who will get it because
for me, I'm like, listen, this thing right here tracks my
sleep, tracks my strain, and also tracks my heart rate
variability. So heart rate variability for

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people who don't know, is basically the extremes of during
rest, can my heart rate get low and during stress and exercise,
can it get high and can I have varying levels?
The greater your heart rate variability, the better that
you're going to be. And just to show you that I walk
my talk, here's me in green at 95% with a HRV of 126, which is

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incredibly high. Most people I work with on
average are in the 50s and 60s on their HRV.
Well, the stuff that I'm tellingyou about in this list, I don't
have migraine. I did whenever I got sick.
One time I dealt with it for thefirst time for three months
because the worst three months of my life, it was awful.
I don't understand how people live with it for years.
I don't, but these things that I'm talking about on here, I

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don't just tell you to do them. I test them out of myself first
with this and track and see if it works.
Which one's the best cold exposure, That's why it's first.
Then the other ones come in because they're all, if we're
going to build a house, we can'tjust have bricks, we can't just
have wood, we can't just have concrete.
It takes all the pieces in orderto build it properly.

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And the foundation for me is always your nervous system
function. So all those things work to
support the structure. So sleep doesn't matter, but we
need something that's tracking it because in your mind you go,
I sleep pretty good. I go to sleep and I wake up OK,
but we don't know if that's quality.
And a lot of times people tell me when they wake up with
migraines, I'm like, you probably have either central or

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obstructive sleep apnea and thatcould be playing a role.
And those are things that we canwork to improve pretty easily
without AC PAP. We've got medical doctors that
we partner with, we could do at home sleep studies.
Like this is another component for me that I realized.
It's like this has to be added into my protocol and what it is.
That I do so then now you can understand for a migraine
optimization protocol. That's why this stuff comes into

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there, which I think is going tobe the new name of this.
It's kind of my reiteration. The next one is grounding.
So grounding or earthing. Earthing is really better.
You can get grounding mats for your bed.
You can get, you know, there's mats that you can spend money on
to be able to get their sheets. There's all this stuff that you
can do. This is the research on this
will blow people's mind because I can remember when I read this,

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there's one that like summarizesa bunch of studies that they
did, but we don't realize how disconnected we are from the
earth. And what happened was the invent
invention of rubber sole shoes. And as soon as that happened, we
start wearing shoes, we got disconnected from the earth.
And I'm just as guilty at this of everyone.
But here's the cool thing. One of the things with sleep, if
we want to improve sleep, setting your circadian rhythms
in your brain. One of the ways that you do that

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is going outside and getting like 10 to 15 minutes of direct
sunlight in your eyes outside, not through a window, not
through your windshield, drivingto work where you're like, let
me look through. No, we want direct sunlight into
the eyes. But we can do what I call
stacking. I can do that while I sit in a
chair and let my feet, bare feet, touch the earth.
Yeah. You know when people say that

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they usually feel the best when they go on vacation and they're
near an ocean and they're out barefoot connected to the earth.
The highest where they talk about grounding levels are the
best is near movement, nature's movement.
So ocean, it's constantly moving.
So think about when people go and they're like, God, I slept
so good. I felt great.
It's like, yes, because you connected yourself back.

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I don't have to go impress anyone or do any of this.
I don't care. I'm on vacation.
So grounding or earthing. There's all this research.
They did it on kids in a NICU that were NICU babies that were
having all these problems. They laid them on grounding
mats. The results were crazy.
They did it on people that were having wounds in their body that
wouldn't heal. They made them go outside and

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ground and they had them on grounding mats.
Wounds healed up just like that.They were like, this is crazy.
They looked at the impact that it started to have.
And so you have to realize it's the we're meant to be connected
with the earth. Why?
I don't know, wish I could explain it to you, but there's a
disconnect that we have. They're living on concrete,
walking on concrete, never beingbarefoot, never getting out.
It's why kids, a lot of times, most of them could be held

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because they're willing to get out and get dirty and get messy
and get stuff all over them. They're connecting with it and
we're not. We're like, I'm too good for
that and you stay clean. I want to have to do all that.
And it's like we need exposure to that too.
So this was one that I added in but I was like this has to be a
component of this. Yeah, when I first heard about
earthing and grounding, I'm like, man, that's kind of woo
woo. But it feels like you start
looking at the, you know, you start.

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I've always had an affinity towards like walking in the
grass barefoot, like I just enjoyed that.
But you start looking at the at the data behind it and it's it's
pretty powerful. So I love that you mentioned
that in there. Listen, the tree huggers were
correct because you can also do it that way.
You could just touch it. You can get out.
It's you got to get connected. It's this great disconnect that
we have. And I was like, man, really?

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And I started looking up research and I was like, this is
blowing my mind. And then my last one, this one's
really crazy. People aren't going to believe
this, but it's movement. You need to move your body.
And people like, yeah, people like, I don't want to do that
when I have a migraine. I'm not telling you to do that,
but if you're having a day whereyou feel good, what you usually
do is all the other things to make up time, but you don't
prioritize. And this is literally simple.

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I'm going to tell you really, really easy.
Go outside and walk for 30 minutes a day.
If you don't have 30 minutes foryourself a day, then what do you
have? Like, I get it, I got to work, I
got kids, I got all this. Then take them with you.
Set an example for your kids. We imagine your kids going,
carrying forward with their kidsand their family, and it's like,
why do we always go for walks after dinner or in the middle or

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we do this or we go outside? Because that's what our family's
always done and it's important to us.
What we don't realize is that it's having a really big impact
on our health in a positive way.Now, here's a more interesting
thing. If you actually only went and
walked for 10 minutes each time after you ate, it actually has a
greater impact on your body's balance of your cortisol stress
levels and your like. If you're someone who's

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struggling with diabetes and you're struggling with your
blood glucose, it actually helpsregulate it better than 30
minutes of walking. So you could walk for 30 minutes
straight or break it up 10 minutes three times after you
eat, after you eat actually has a greater impact.
So it's like there are plenty ofthings that we can do.
My thing is I want you to move your body.
That's going to improve circulation.
That's going to improve neurological function.

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There's so many things that's like the ultimate hack because
we're tapping into so many things.
When we do that, Just do it whenyou feel good.
That's the, I get that. Or do it when you feel OK,
because you might not necessarily feel good, but if
you're feeling OK enough, you feel better.
Then you should be. Yes, then you should be doing
that. And those are so those are my,
most of these are free. Getting outside and walking is

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free. Setting my feet in the grass
around dirt is free. Cold showers, if you can get
them cold enough, you might haveto go to a place.
There are places now that are opening up.
You can set up a membership there.
You could get it in my mind, worth the investment if you will
go free getting minerals for your water, Sure.
That's gonna cost you a little bit.
That salt is not that expensive.Yeah.

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This is the biggest one that you're going to have to like,
oh, I do this and it's, I'm spending money every month and
I'm like, yeah, cuz I'm worth it. 30 bucks a month for me to
know what the heck is going on. That's a dollar a day for me to
know. Hey, if, if, if I could tell you
exactly what was going on with your HIV and your strain and
your sleep and all this stuff for a dollar a day, would you
trade that? And you're like, yeah, I think I
could do that. Simple as that in my mind.

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And there are plenty of ones that you can get.
I think there might be somethingthat you can get that don't
require an ongoing thing. And I'm like, that's fine for
me. I want the data.
I want the information. The information is what's going
to allow me to see the changes and know that they're working.
Because here's what you want. You want evidence.
Is this actually improving? What the heck it is that I'm
doing? Cool.

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We've got evidence now for someone that's like, I want to
implement those things, but I would also like to skyrocket my
results. That's where my clinic comes in.
Or if you go to one of our clinics across the US at the
specific chiropractic centers, give a little plug here with my
my koozie. That's where we do the type of
nervous system care that we offer in our clinics.

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And I, I see people outside of migraine, but that's like 80% of
my clinic is mostly that. Here's the craziness of this
super in depth process that we do.
I'm going to break it down for you in the most simple way
possible. You come in, you're going to get
what's called functional nervoussystem testing.
Well, first you're going to comein, we're going to do a deep
dive into your health history. I'm going to let you tell me

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your whole story so I can know better about what the heck is
going on. Then I'm going to reassure you
just like my wall does when you come in here, you're in the
right place. Then we're going to do
functional nervous system testing, which was the scan that
I told you about, which shows methe health and function of your
nervous system. That's my first Test, the
nervous system problem or not nervous system problem.
Got it. Now I'm going to do some
postural evaluation. I'm going to do some ortho tests

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to rule out some things. I'm going to do some range of
motion to check in. I'm going to check in all these
things and then I'm going to take you back and do these
really cool things called biomechanical or motion X-ray
films. So we're not just going to shoot
an X-ray and potentially miss out on the bigger piece of
what's going on because you're not a static individual.
You don't just sit there. Your body moves and it has ways
that it moves. And so because of that, we want

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to figure out biomechanically orthe way that you move, what's
causing the problem. Because the scan shows me
nervous system problem. The X-ray shows me where it is.
Because what happens is when we're doing this, I take you
through motion on your X-rays and I assess to see what is
going on. Same way a wrist, an elbow, a
shoulder, a knee and ankle. We know the motion that should

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be there. We know what that thing should
be able to do. It's the same with your spine.
I know what should be occurring here.
When I don't see that, which guess what is a very large
majority of the time when we take images on people, then I'm
able to figure out exactly what it is that's going on.
Then you get this cool thing called I'm not guessing when it
comes to your health. I know based on the scans that
I'm getting, there's an issue. The X-rays are telling me where

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and then through the very specific upper cervical
adjustments that we do. So one of the things I got to
claims everyone brings him videos from the Internet and
goes please tell me you don't dothis.
We don't do any of this. Why strap yanking stuff?
We don't do any of this twistingand turning everything within my
type of upper cervical carriers,we focus on getting you in the
perfect position. That way the adjustment can be
as specific as possible so that we can fix the underlying root

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cause and you not have to continue to live with migraines.
So we kind of touched on a little bit.
Upper cervical basically means the Atlas and axis, the top 2
bones in your neck. We focus on the positioning of
those. The reason we focus there, first
of all, there's no disc in between the top 2 bones in your
neck. There's only muscles and
ligaments that keep them in place.
It's the greatest anatomical area for motion to occur.

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It's also the area that gets damaged the most during head
traumas, slip and falls, birth, lots of things that happen.
And then what happens is structurally that gets off and
over time it creates imbalances.It puts pressure and tension on
your spinal cord. It puts pressure on the brain
stem, which hello, we talked about this.
Our system is really close. They're like, hey, we're trying
to use tryptans to enact on the brain stem to then through your

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cranial R5 or whatever it is that we're doing.
What this mechanism of action isgoing to do is open or close
these blood vessels or we're trying to manipulate it.
When I say here and go, your body is actually super
intelligent, let me just remove anything that's interfering with
its function. And when we do that, this is
when we start to see improvements.
So I tend to see that it's cervicogenic.
That's why I said cervicogenic. It starts in in the neck.

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One of the things that people want to get it, I can send it to
him. I did this the other day because
I'm like, I haven't looked at myneurology for like brain stem
function. So I looked at this the other
day and it's like old nerd out for a few seconds here, a few
minutes. So there's three parts of your
brain stem. Basically there's midbrain ponds
and medulla, your medulla oblongata.
If anyone's seen Waterboy but your midbrain, it basically is

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involved in vision, hearing, motor control, sleep, wake
cycles, your alertness and your temperature regulation.
Those are all housed in your brain stem which can be impacted
over cervically. Then we have your Ponds, which
is in the middle. It plays a key role in
breathing, communication betweendifferent parts of your brain,
sensation, hearing, taste and balance.

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These are all symptoms that are run rampant on migraine
patients. Then you get into the lower
part, your medula mongata. This controls several autonomic
functions, including heart rate,blood pressure, and respiratory
rate. It regulates reflexes such as
swallowing, coughing and vomiting, and it is essentially
crucial. So you're sitting there talking
about the area in my mind, I don't think it's the brain.

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I think it's actually the plug in and the connection that you
have of the brain stem. This is just a theory.
I've been testing this out now for almost a decade.
But it's, I think that we're so close to it, but this is a part
that gets left out and that getsmissed.
And when we remove what's interfering or putting pressure
on that, it's like, boom, it fixes it immediately.
If I got a knee problem, we go to the knee and we fix that.

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If I've got a migraine problem, then tell me why.
Almost every person that I talk to goes.
My neck gets super tight and tense.
I get a lot of pain in my neck and then boom, here comes the
migraine. Like their prodrome, what starts
with the migraine is intense neck pain.
Or their neck always bothers them, or their neck is super
stiff. They always mention their neck.
Yeah, 100%. Man, this has been so good.
I could talk to you for, I thinktwo or three hours.

(01:11:22):
I really think so. We may have to have a Part 2
down the road man. I would love to This is I rarely
can I like get into conversations like this and it's
like this is fun. This is my stuff.
We'll plan on it. Well, Doctor Brown, how can how
can my listeners find you? We've mentioned a couple things,
but what's the best way to connect with you, Get into your
world? Find not only your content, but
how to connect with you. Yeah, so most of the time, the

(01:11:44):
easiest way is usually through social media because I know most
people have it. So any of the social media
channels at the migraine doc, you can get me there and TikTok
and Instagram and my TikTok and I think my Instagram, they have
my office phone number on there,972-454-9362.
Or if you're just like, hey, I want to go look at your website
that is the specific richardson.com.

(01:12:06):
You can go check out everything on there, submit appointment
requests, any of that stuff. And I mean, you can slide in my
DMS, I don't mind. I try to keep up with that.
It's the number is getting to a point where it makes it
difficult, definitely. But there's lots of ways that
you can reach out and connect. And I've got links to all my
stuff, and I know you're going to share them too of any of the
other things I talked about as well.

(01:12:27):
I'll put clickable leaks down inthe down in the show notes, but
you guys check out. Doctor Brown is doing awesome
things, especially if you're a migraine sufferer.
I think that's, I keep going back to that word, but man, it's
tough. There is hope, there may be more
than than what you have tried sofar.
Encourage you to try those pillars that he mentioned and

(01:12:48):
connect with him. You're going to learn a lot just
like I have and just like we have in our episode today,
always be learning. Become your own advocate in
healthcare. And one of the things you said,
Doctor Brown, is I'm worth it. You mentioned the cost of the of
the watch of the of the data tracker and you said I'm worth
it. And here's what I want to tell
everybody to listen in today. You're worth it.

(01:13:10):
Never underestimate what a smallinvestment in your health can
mean to your overall quality of life.
And I think we've established that pretty well today.
Doctor Brown, thank you so much for joining us.
Been a pleasure. It's been so much fun.
And we'll look forward to Part 2coming soon.
I appreciate it. Thank you very much, Chad.
Thank you for listening to the Rev RX Podcast.

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