In this episode, Chad Potts sits down with Answers in Genesis speaker Bryan Osborne to unpack the powerful case for trusting the Bible—starting from Genesis 1.
They dive into what the Bible really says about creation, dinosaurs, evolution, the age of the earth, and why compromising just a little on God's Word leads to big consequences.
From dinosaurs on the ark to the gospel connection in Genesis 3, this conversation will strengthen your faith, answer tough questions, and remind you why the authority of Scripture still matters today.
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Hey everyone, welcome back to the Rev RX podcast where we dive
deep in the faith, family and help today.
I'm so excited for you to meet my special guest, Brian Osborne.
Brian is from Answers in Genesis.
You may recognize them as the group behind the Creation Museum
and the Art Museum. What you'll love about Brian
though, is that he's a former public school teacher turn full
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time apologetic speaker. In other words, he defends the
truth of God. He defends the authority of the
Bible, and let me tell you, he brings the fire.
In our episode today, we dive into everything for the origin
of sin and death, how evolution undermines the gospel, and yes,
the all pressing question, wheredo dinosaurs fit in the Bible?
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You don't want to miss this one.If you've ever wondered why does
Genesis still matter in a modernworld or how to stand firm when
culture pushes back, this episode for you, let's jump in
with my friend Brian Osborne. Thank you so much, Brian, for
joining us today on the podcast.Man, what a privilege it is to
have you here with us. Ah, it's just great to hang out.
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Thanks for having me. Yes, Sir, Southern boy, born and
raised in you said North Carolina, lived in Tennessee.
And so man, you've been all around me.
I've stayed in Georgia for most of my life, but good to talk to
you. You're doing a lot of fantastic
work in the world of apologetics, and I've loved
following Answers in Genesis anda lot of the things that you
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contribute towards them. But before we get into some of
those specifics, I'd love for you just to introduce yourself
to my listeners and help to get us help us to get to know you a
little better. Sure.
Yeah, a little short version, asyou mentioned, I grew up in
North Carolina. I grew up in a wonderful
Christian hall, parents, Christians, at least when I was
born. And then I got saved when I was
17. God did a just a miraculous work
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of my life. They just changed my heart,
turned my heart towards him, ledme to true repentance of faith
and Christ alone. And ever since then, God's
really just done amazing things in my life for His glory.
I went to Bryan College over in Dayton, TN and I met my wife
there and in the course of my studies, we got married before
my senior year. And then after I graduated from
there with a MAT with a focus onbiblical studies.
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I by God's Providence and his intervention, I ended up
teaching Bible history in a public school for 13 years over
in Hickson, Tennessee. So the public school teacher for
a long time. So it was my wife and then in
the course of doing that, becamevery familiar with apologetics,
in particular creation apologetics, answers in Genesis
and so forth. And it got steered my path to
come along and join this ministry roughly 11 years ago
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now. So since then, by God's grace,
I've been traveling around literally the world, just giving
conferences, presentations on defending biblical authority
from the very first verse, equipment Christians to answer
questions, defend their faith, to proclaim the gospel.
And it's all God. It's him and him and him and him
and him and all. It's amazing what he has done is
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doing and will do. And it's fun to be part of what
he's doing. Yeah.
So here at the ministry, we're all about just proclaiming the
truth, defending the faith, proclaiming the gospel.
Love it. And all those are are just noble
roles because what you're doing is you're equipping us for a
Christian worldview and how to defend that against a growing
culture in society that, you know, doesn't really tolerate
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that. Yeah.
And we need your work now more than ever.
I'm convinced. I'm interested in in your
background as a school teacher. And you mentioned you taught was
a biblical history, Bible history.
Yeah. In a public school system.
You know, that's kind of that's unusual.
Tell us about that a little bit.You know, was there, you were in
a Bible Belt, I guess during that time, But how was that
teaching Bible classes in in a public school system?
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Well, I'll tell you it was an amazing experience.
I really love doing it. It was unique in a lot of
different ways. But like you said, I was in the
Bible Belt and this was, I stopped doing it 11 years ago
and I joined the ministry, although definitely the secular
indoctrination in our education system was in full swing 11
years ago. It wasn't to the level that it
is today and not as pervasive and so many states like the
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Bible Belt, but it was still there in some ways.
But there were still a lot of respect for the Bible.
There's a lot of respect for that class.
And it's funny, if I, I taught high school, so, you know, my
students will come into my classroom and great kids, but
you know, not, not all of them were Christians or they were
baby Christians. So their mouths sometimes
weren't the best. The language they used wouldn't
be good language in some cases. This and other, other scenarios
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when they came into my classroom, they, they, they
were, they were all, they were paying good attention to what
they said. They were careful to use the
right language, not to curse, todo things.
Why? Because they did respect for the
Bible. The person teaching the Bible,
there's that kind of inherent respect for it still at the
time, which is kind of neat. But the class itself was
teaching biblical history, two classes again, Old Testament and
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the New Testament. I talked through the Bible
chronologically. That was just amazing because
what I did was I, I talked through each testament
chronologically. So you put the people in that
testament in their proper order,the events in their proper
order. And when you do that, when you
teach the Bible in that chronological order, it makes
sense. There's a flow of history and it
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all points to Jesus in an amazingly powerful way.
And so it was amazing to see howGod used that to bring clarity
to people, to challenge not Christians to help Christians
have a better biblical worldview, even in that public
school setting. And I love doing.
It was a blessing. And there's also a training
ground. The rule was for me as a Bible
teacher that I could answer my students questions if they ask
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questions, but I could only givethem answers from the Bible.
In other words, I could not givemy opinion.
And if you think about it, that's what we're supposed to do
anyways. Christians like, who cares what
Brian Osborne thinks? What does the Bible say about
any given issue? That's the way they trained me
to go to God's word and say, OK,how do I answer this from God's
Word? Not my thoughts, not my
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traditions, not what I thought in the past, but what does God's
Word explicitly say about this in context?
And I can give them the right answer from that.
So it's a good training ground to do apologetics.
Then God of course, use that to get me ready to join this
ministry years later. Yeah, I love that because you're
exactly right. We tend to approach the
Scripture with these lenses. And that's not our fault
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necessarily. It's just, you know, that's how
we do things. And we inherently bring this
lens into our reading of Scripture, and so we interpret
it in that way. And so that that's really an
interesting situation to where, OK, you have to you have to
answer from the Bible and you have to answer, you know, fairly
objectively from the Bible, I'm sure.
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And so, man, we could all benefit from that, I think.
It was such a thing. And even, I'll say this too,
even we're carried answers in Genesis, I still continue that
in a different way because our ministry is not denominational.
And so we of course, we have ourfocus of Genesis 1 to 11 and
giving answers in regards to biblical history.
And also we deal with a lot of social issues in regards to that
as well. But a lot of the other
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denominational issues, we got towork really hard to try to toe
the lie. We're not trying to offend any
particular group, but saying true to God's word.
And again, it's teaching me to think biblically, not just
towards a particular tradition Imight have grown up with, but
what does the Bible actually sayabout any given topic?
So by God's grace, that trainingstill continues in my life right
now. Yeah, you were you were being
prepared even when you didn't know it.
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That's right. I love that.
So let's think about apologeticsa minute.
Maybe for some listeners out there, they're not familiar with
that term. How would you break that down
for us? What is it and why is it
important for us as everyday Christians?
Yeah #1 it's not apologizing forthe faith.
And I get the confusion, right? It just sounds like it.
But the word apologetics comes from a Greek word in particular,
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first, Peter 3:15 We're called to give an apologia or an answer
or defense for our faith. And in the context there too,
even in the context of persecution, but we're called to
give an answer. Why do you believe what you
believe, which comes from God's word, by the way?
And so we are commanded by God to be able to give an answer or
defense for our faith. So the reason we should do it as
Christians is that we are commanded by God to do so.
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Number one, that's our first priority, to obey him and please
him. Jude 1/3.
We are to to contend earnestly for the faith.
Something I'd like to encourage Christians with is that this is
a command for all believers, that we're all called to give a
defense. We're all called to engage
within our spirits of influence,to proclaim biblical truths in a
loving way, but in an uncompromising way, to proclaim
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the gospel effectively. And that's a call to every
single Christian. And I think for a lot of
Christians, we tend to think like giving a defense for the
faith, doing apologetics, doing stuff like street evangelism,
all those sorts of things. We tend to think that's only for
the Super Christians, for the Chuck Norris of Christians,
right? The Christians who do 36 hours
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of daily quiet time every day, right?
Those Christians, they know everything about everything.
And they, they fight against evolution and cultural Marxism.
They do St. evangelism. It's just for them.
But you won't find that in the Bible.
In the Bible, if you are called by Christ, Jude actually says if
you are called sanctified, preserved by him, if you're a
believer, you are to contend earnestly for the faith.
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Yes, this is for every one of us.
And so we do it out of obedienceto God #1 but also #2 our
culture needs it so desperately.Church needs it so desperately,
and our children need it so desperately.
There weren't supposed to be 3 C's there, but there you go.
All right. And so, but they really do.
So our culture, I mean, it's utterly rebelling against God.
It is an utter confusion becauseof that, and it leads to chaos
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in our culture, and people are broken from that chaos.
And so we have the message of truth that brings clarity that
people need so desperately. So our culture needs a chat.
Our church needs it, all the heavens, because so many
Christians have, maybe unwittingly, but they've
compromised God's word in different areas.
And so we've actually underminedbiblical authority by embracing
different cultural ideas. And so some of the chaos from
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the culture has actually come into the church, and the church
is added to the chaos, but not being the light God's called us
to be. And so you have that problem.
And then for our own kids, within our own families who are
in this culture, in this confusion, they need clarity now
more than ever. They need a strong foundation in
God's Word to have that clarity.And so giving answers, defending
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the faith through the biblical worldview that proclaims truth,
truth is kindness as it brings clarity to those who are
confused. And so that's why and there are
more reasons, but this is sort of what we're going to give an
answer. Well, that's beautiful and I'm a
big believer in that too with with the people that I pastor.
We went through recently how to tell your story because I'm
convinced, you know, Jesus has made a difference in your life
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that then yeah, it's a calling on your life to share about that
to tell your story, you know, totalk about the hope that you
have in him and and yes, not forthe Super Christians.
It's not just for the pastors. I think a lot of times in
America, we tend to think, well,we hired a guy for that, right?
That's right. We outsource our witnessing and
we outsource our biblical defense and that's not biblical,
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you know, it's for every believer.
And so I think setting that up, that's one O 1, you know, we
need, we needed to kind of have that first.
And so going from there, one of the things you mentioned is that
Answers in Genesis is about Genesis one through 11 and
really helping us understand that that's where everything
begins. That gives us the foundation of
our faith. Can you go into a little bit
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about why there's that intense focus on those first 11 chapters
of the Bible and really kind of how that plays out in our lives?
Yeah, a couple different ways we'd say it's so important #1
because it's one of the primary places where the enemy's
attacking biblical authority is Genesis 1 to 11.
And he's done so now for decades, if not centuries.
And it really goes back to Genesis chapter 3, when the
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devil said that Eve did God really say?
And getting Eve to question, doubt and reject God's word?
And that was a very effective method.
He's used the same method ever since, different forms with same
basic attack. And really one of the main ways
he's doing that attack today it's through the ideas of like
evolution, ape men, Big Bang, millions of years using those
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sort of secular ideas to get so many people today to question
God's word without God's word, to reject God's word.
Go Chad. Bottom line, if you can't
believe the Bible's history, whytrust about morality, gender,
sexuality or salvation? If you can't trust Genesis 1 to
11, watch Trust John chapter 3 Revelation 22.
It's a slippery slope, isn't? It, it is either all of God's
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words authoritative and true, ornone of it is so #1 it's an
issue of authority. Can we trust what God's Word
says in its proper context and then rightly apply it?
So it's an issue of authority. Then secondarily, as you
mentioned, our entire biblical worldviews built from the
foundation of Genesis 1:00 to 11:00.
Every single biblical doctrine, either directly or indirectly,
is rooted in that history of Genesis 1 to 11.
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Three one few quick examples. How do we know what marriage is?
Well, that comes from Genesis 1 to 11, right?
Why is there sin and death in the world?
Genesis 1 to 11. Why do we practice A7 day week?
Genesis 1 to 11? Why do we wear clothes?
And we are wearing clothes, and that's good.
All right, praise God. That goes back to Genesis
chapters 1 to 11, Chad, how do we know that?
Every single person, no matter what they look like, what their
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skin shade is, what their accentis, how much money they have,
how good or bad they are at the athletics.
Every person has inherent they have inherent equal indelible
value because they're made in the image of the living God.
Genesis 1 to 11. Why did Jesus die on the cross?
Why is he called the last Adam? Why do we need a new heavens, a
new earth and all goes back to Genesis 1 to 11 foundation for
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every single biblical doctrine. And so you take with that
foundation and that biblical worldview will collapse actually
happening our culture today. And it's not just the issue of
origins. We have a we give a ton of
answers on that, you know, aboutage of the earth, dinosaurs,
rock layers, and that's where the attack is taking place.
But also the social issues are our answers as Christians to
those social issues are rooted in Genesis 1 to 11 because as we
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talked about in our culture, what people want to redefine
marriage. Well, how do we know what
marriage is? That's back in Genesis chapter
2, right? How do we know what sexuality
is? How do we know there are only
two genders? How do we know about the
sanctity of life from fertilization?
That all goes back to the history in Genesis 1-2 and three
and then all through 11. And so we give biblical answers
based on towards a social issuesrooted in that biblical
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authority, in a biblical worldview, that biblical history
starting there in that foundation, it is literally the
foundation for everything withinbiblical Christianity.
And again, if you take away thatfoundation and that's what the
enemy has done, he's focuses attack on that foundational
history. Genesis 1 to 11, the rest of the
Christian structure will fall, as we see happening with the
collapse of the Christian worldview in the Western world
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today. And so it's a lot more than just
giving answers about dinosaurs. So we do that, absolutely, but
ultimately biblical authority inthe gospel rooted in that
authority. Yeah, I love the big picture
view of that because you're exactly right.
If we, you know, if we give in to this one area that that's OK,
Well, maybe that part's not true.
You know, maybe God didn't really mean that because you're
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right. Going back to Genesis 3, in the
garden, the serpent shows up, the enemy, Satan, whatever you
want to call him, he shows up and he says he questions the
word of God. Did God really say that?
And, and with that as an implication that God can't be
trusted? And so if we begin to buy in
that God can't be trusted in this area or God's word can't be
trusted in this area, then then,yeah, where does that stop?
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And and so you're, you're exactly right.
We've got to be able to say the entire Bible is authoritative.
The entire Bible is to be taken,you know, at its word, no pun
intended. And, you know, really, we have
to work through that. And that's why I love what
you're doing. And that's why I love Answers in
Genesis, because you're combating that head on.
You're not apologizing. I love that you're not
apologizing for the fate. Then we're not, we're not giving
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ground just to kind of not offend, but we're standing for
the truth because the truth is ultimately kindness.
It is and I'll tell you what andI praise God for what God is
doing in actress in Genesis. Ken Ham was our founder from
Australia got an amazing testament about how God really
worked in and through his life to make this ministry come into
being. This is God's ministry for his
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glory and you see how God's donethat through Ken.
It's an amazing thing and we areabout sending a biblical
authority and Chad related to that is we got to realize as you
were speaking. I just kind of thought about
this that there is no neutral something we talk about quite
often. I think many Christians buy into
this false narrative in our culture that Oh well, we have a
neutral as we engage on different issues, social issues,
so-called political issues or even origin issues got to be
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neutral. But there is no neutral on every
issue. Either God's word is your
authority or man's word is no one's neutral.
And so when someone asks you to be neutral number, you need to
recognize #1 they're not neutraland you can't be either.
Everyone is putting their faith in a foundational authority and
Chad, everybody's got faith. The question is where do you put
it? You got two options, either
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God's word or man's. And also watch this, if we
reject God's word and say we're going to put our faith in man's
word about any given issue, here's what actually happens.
We are then saying that we can look at man's ideas today, we
can sift through them. We can pick the ideas we like
best. We can determine truth for
ourselves. We just became as our own God
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all the way back to Genesis chapter 3, the same lie.
And so there is no neutral that we stand on God's Word
uncompromisingly, boldly, unashamedly, Yes, lovingly.
And as we do so, we got answers can defend the faith.
And you said to proclaim the Gospel effectively.
Yeah. And you know, there there's this
sense that we as believers need to be equipped with the
knowledge to do that. And that's where you guys come
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in because you know, you're, you're helping us make sense of
some of this and you're helping us train others in these areas
so that we do have a congruent, cohesive group of people who are
standing firm in the faith. And so you mentioned a couple
things that I think are just funto talk about.
And I've been through some courses on this and I've studied
it myself. And some people, man, there,
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there are debates about the age of the earth, right?
There's young earth, old earth. I'd love for you to 1st answer
the question, why does it matter?
And you know, I know a lot matters.
I want you to, yeah, put words to that and then help us to kind
of walk through creation as far as the seven days.
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Because one of the things that'sbeen very powerful and very
instrumental for me is realizingthat, you know, there is this.
If you can compromise a little bit with God's Word, then you
can compromise a lot. It's a slippery slope.
And so, you know, when you startsaying, OK, well, maybe this
wasn't literal, maybe it wasn't actually seven days, but when
you look at the order in which things were created, it kind of
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has to be that way, right? So that maybe that's kind of a
load of question. I'll let you go where you want
to with that. But the age of the Earth, why
does it matter? And then creation and seven been
literal days. Yeah, no, and that's the best
place to start as far as with the issue of any of these issues
by the origins and age or why does it matter?
And it matters for a lot of reasons.
And we'll kind of get, we'll break down some of the details
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of this here in a moment, but itmatters someone because again,
can we trust what the Bible clearly says in context?
Because we can't trust what it clearly says in context in
Genesis chapters 1-2 and three. Again, why trust John in
Revelation? It's an issue of can you trust
what God's Word says? An issue of authority then also
related to that if you and by the way, let me say this first I
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grew up in I grew up in public schools I grew up in believing
nods of ears. Dinosaurs lived many years ago
evolution. Maybe God used it.
I didn't know, you know, I didn't care.
I didn't think it mattered. Basically, just don't worry
about just trusting Jesus. And so I understand the struggle
because I've been there and right, because it doesn't seem
to matter. And also we're just so saturated
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with the idea of millions of years.
It's literally everywhere. It is like everywhere.
And it's from trusted sources. You got school teachers, you got
textbooks, you got zoos, you gotmuseums.
It's in pop culture, it's in movies, it's in literally
everything for a long time. And then even like medical
literature, so I'm reading some of this stuff and it talks about
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ancestrally millions of years ago.
And I'm like, OK, that don't have to to be both of those
things don't have to be true. Yeah.
And so I get the struggle, and I'm not, I'm not unaware of it.
I've been through it. So just so our audience knows,
I'm not coming at this from someone who's never had other
ideas in their life. No, I've been there.
So I recognize the struggle. So I get it.
It's a real thing, but it is an issue of authority.
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And then also, here's the problem theologically, couple
problems #1 the text is explicit.
And so if the text is explicit and it says one thing.
But that's not what it means. It means something else.
Then you just said that text. The Bible has errors and it's
fallible. That's a big issue.
And also if you try to put millions of years into the
Bible, it doesn't matter how youtry, no matter how good your
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intentions may be, no matter which method you use.
Day age theory, gap theory, progressive creation, theistic
evolution, framework hypothesis,cosmic temple, a bunch of
others. But they all inevitably put
millions of years of death before sin.
Death before sin is theologically impossible for a
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bunch of reasons. I'll give you the short summary
for now to hold talks on this. But here's the issue.
Here's what the Bible says that God made a perfect creation.
There was no death, no suffering, no sin, no perfect
creation. God worn down on the day you eat
out of the fruit, you'll surely die.
And so the Bible says that it was man's sin that brought
death, the enemy into God's perfect creation.
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So from a biblical perspective, we explain the world through
that biblical lens, perfect creation, the corruption of
man's sin. Noah's flood wrecked everything,
and then Tower of Babel and so forth and so on, right?
And so within the biblical worldview, we got perfect
creation, man's sin. Then there's a flood that laid
most of the rock layers and fossils we see today.
So from a biblical worldview, weexplain the rock layers full of
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fossils, dead things after Adam,sin primarily through Noah's
flood, which just makes sense. Death after sin.
Here's a problem. If you reject that, what are you
left with? Man's ideas.
What does man say Man says today?
The rock layers. No, silly rabbit, they aren't
evidence of a global flood. They're the evidence for
millions of years. They're the tangible evidence
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for millions of years. The secularists will say, they
will argue because rock layers will lay down slowly over
millions of years. Watch this Long before man ever
existed, and thus before sin. And in those rock layers
supposedly laid down before man,before sin, there's tons of
evidence of disease, cancer, bloodshed, and death.
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Lots and lots of death. But wait, God.
It says that God looked down on day 6 of creation week and
caught everything very good before man sins.
Surely God would not call many fears of death, suffering,
bloodshed, cancer, very good if he did.
They see a very good God. And by the way, if that were
true, it means God is the authorof death.
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It was part of his original verygood creation.
And by embracing that, we're actually blaming God for death
instead of our sin. All right, we find thorns in the
fossil record that the secularists will say are
millions of years old. For the Bible's clear thorns
came after the curse. They're a result of the curse.
They're a symbol of the curse. So it's like Christ for the
crown of thorns. But most important of all, this
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is where I really hope everybodyzones in.
If you try to put millions of years into the Bible, you'll put
death before sin. And watch this logically and
theologically. If there was death before sin,
that means death is not the payment for sin.
It's just always been around part of God's very good
creation. And if death is not the payment
for sin, then Jesus's death cannot and does not pay our sin
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debt. And we just undermine
chrysatonic work on the cross, whether we meant to or not,
maybe with the best of intentions.
And I tell people all the time, This is why we care so much.
And you know, if this was just an argument about the age of
earth, if this, if this was justabout radiometric dating, I'm
out. I I don't care that much about
radiometric dating. I care about, we give good
answers to that. We got great answers to that.
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But we give answers because it'sabout biblical authority and the
gospel rooted in that authority.That's what turned attack and
that's what's at stake. And I love sharing with people
that, you know what? The good news of Jesus Christ
doesn't start in the book of Matthew.
Yeah, I love Matthew. Yeah.
But the gospel starts in Genesis.
Yeah. And the biblical authority from
there. And so in short, I can hold
talks on that, but theologically, that's why it
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matters. That's powerful because when you
trace down the cause and effect of of holding that seemingly
innocuous belief that the world holds that, you know, the earth
is millions of years old, man, we're still in our sins.
That's right. Forgiveness is not possible and
eternal life cannot happen. That's beautiful, man.
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That, that that's the work that you're doing that I think is so,
so important. Thanks for breaking that down
for us. That's that really helps us to
see, hey, your belief here impacts a lot down the road.
And one of the things I that youmentioned, and I'd love to just
kind of this is a personal it's my podcast.
I can ask what I want, right. That's right.
Where did the dinosaurs come in?Help us with that, because
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that's one question I get a lot.Yeah, every.
I mean, you know, we grew up with dinosaur toys.
You've got dinosaurs behind you on your shelf.
My kids love them. How can we explain to our kids,
OK, you've got Adam and Eve and then, you know, we've got all
this, all these generations happened since then.
Where did dinosaurs come in? They're not in the Bible, right?
Yeah. What's your answer to that?
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So let me let's back up one stepbecause it needs to be helpful
in getting into dinosaurs and we'll get to dinosaurs and that
is the days of creation because we kind of I gave up the death
for sin, but I think I get to the days of creation.
Let me back up to that because that's just the context for the
creation week and so forth. I just want to say, you know,
make the comment again and againthat the text is clear about the
days of creation and the earth is young and people might be
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saying, well, where do you get that from?
I just want to kind of point outwhere that comes from.
So when you look in the word andwe look in the in the Bible, we
got the word day, the Hebrew word for days Yom.
And the word day has multiple meanings.
Most words do depending on context.
Same thing for the Hebrew word which is Yom which means day for
us. And so it can mean like a
literal day, it could mean the daylight portion of the day or
it can mean like a period of time like back in the day I did
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this. So the word has multiple
meanings. How do you know which meaning is
used in a particular context based on contextual clues?
And so very quickly, anytime youlook in the Old Testament and
you see the word day and it's accompanied by a number, it's on
the first day or during the second day over 400 times.
It's always a literal 24 hour day.
Anytime you see in the Old Testament where it says there's
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evening and morning and it has the word day in the same
sentence or no day at all, it's always a literal 24 hour day.
Anytime you see night with day every time in the Old Testament,
say literal 20. And so Chad, anytime you see any
one of those contextual clues, just one of those clues, it's
always a literal 24 hour day every time in the Old Testament.
It's good. Yeah.
So the question is, is the context clear or not clear in
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Genesis chapter 1? Well, if you look at Genesis
chapter one for every day of creation, it says evening,
morning, the first day, evening,morning.
The second day, you have evening, good morning and a
number attached to date on everysingle day of creation besides
day 7, which just says day 7, still it has the number attached
to the word day. And so there are multiple
contextual clues. These are regular 24 hour days.
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And I give a whole talk on this.It's a very short answer, short
version. My point is simply this, the
text and context is really clear.
These are regular 24 hour days. We get the number 6000 from the
biblical genealogies. Basically from Adam to Abraham
it's roughly 2000 years. Abraham to Christ 2000 years,
Christ to today, roughly 2000 years.
That's where the number 6000 comes from.
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People are wondering about that.And then lastly, this idea is
reaffirmed throughout Scripture.This 2011 from the 10
commandments for in six days Lord made heaven, the earth, the
sea and all that is in though. And then of course he rested on
7th day, the context for the Sabbath.
And so again, it's very clear God made everything is 6 days by
the power of his word supernaturally.
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So when I kind of throw that outthere because I keep saying the
text is explicit, that's what I mean.
There's more, but that's just a little sample of that.
So those days are real days. That's a real creation week done
by got supernatural power. Dinosaurs were made on day 6 of
creation week. You know, dinosaurs by
definition are land animals witha certain hip structure, legs
underneath the body. Technically you're things like
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those old pterosaurs, those flying reptiles or things like
the plesiosaurs or swimming reptiles.
They are not technically dinosaurs, whether we're going
to lump them together. But dinosaurs by definition are
land animals. Land animals are made on day 6
of Creation week. Therefore, T Rex dinosaurs are
made on day 6 of Creation Week. Also, as I'm sure your listeners
know, man was made on day 6 of Creation Week.
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That means people have been living with dinosaurs basically
from the beginning, from day 6 of Creation Week.
Which means we got to rethink somuch of what we thought about
dinosaurs and history and rethinking words we use like
prehistory. That word prehistory is thrown
around all the time in textbooksand zoos, museums.
Prehistory, prehistoric. But there's no such thing as
prehistory. We got history from the
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beginning. In the beginning, God created
heavens and the earth, and so wegot to stop thinking about this
stuff from a secular perspectiveand thinking about from a
biblical perspective. And let me just say again, one
more caveat. I get it to those who are
watching and this is a struggle,I get it.
I've been there. I grew up learning dinosaurs,
lived 90 years ago. Was Jurassic Park the original
good one? You know, all those movies, all
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that stuff, going to these museums, loving dinosaurs.
I've been there. I get the struggle, but you got
to understand we got to start with God's Word.
And before I go any further on that, let me also give one more
crucial point. I know I'm rambling on a lot but
I think. That's good.
That what we need to understand about understanding history is
that your worldview will dictatehow you interpret present day
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observations and when you're trying to figure out the unseen
past. That is so different than
operational science, and so people will confuse operational
science with historical science.Operational science is done in
the here and now. It's observable, testable,
repeatable, and falsifiable. That's how we make technology
and do medicine. And so you are so familiar with
that. I know.
And what you do for a living, atleast one of your jobs.
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All right, So you know how you do an operational science.
And operational science is used to make medicines, to help
people, help human flourishing. And there's no conflict between
operational science and the Bible.
It's only possible because the Bible is true, because God made
the entire world and he made thelaws of nature that are not
touchable. We see the effects of them, not
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the law itself, but they stay the same because God made them
and he holds them together. That's what we science to begin
with. But that is so different than
what you might call historical science.
And that's when you're trying tofigure out what happened in the
unseen past to bring about what we're looking at in the present
today. And when you're doing that, it's
like a form of forensic science.You get to the crime scene.
What do you do? You look at clues.
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You didn't see the event, but you look at clues, you interpret
those clues in the present through a set of assumptions
about the unseen past to make a guess about what you think took
place, to bring about the setting you're looking at.
And here's the core issue. If you start with the wrong
assumptions, put your faith in the wrong foundational
authority, you'll likely get thewrong conclusions.
And we know this experientially just watching, like CSI.
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You know, if you watch the show,it's almost the same thing every
time you get there. There's a crime scene, they show
up on the crime scene, they're looking at all the evidence and
it's all pointing to like that guy, he did it, he did it.
And so they're looking at for the entire show, that guy did
it, he did it. You go throughout their entire
show, he did it, he did it. At the very end, what do you
get? You get some piece of evidence
you didn't have before, or a newinterpretation of an old piece
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of evidence, or better yet, an eyewitness who shows up and
tells you this is what actually happened.
And it gives you a whole new interpretation of those clues
you looked at previously. Same thing here with origins.
Your assumptions, your foundational authority, your
worldview will dictate how to interpret present day
observations. And so we should not be
surprised that secular scientists get such wrong
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conclusions about origins and history because they're starting
with the wrong assumptions. They're starting with the idea
that the Bible is wrong about the past and that man's guess is
a better starting point. No wonder they're so wrong with
their conclusions. So I want to lay that out too.
Yeah, principle before dive intoany other topics, but even
dinosaurs. I love that because there is a
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big difference between because alot of times we used to equate
science to science. You know, the science, the
hypothesis, you test the hypothesis, all that.
That's that's that's the same asdetermining what happened in the
past. And that's what our culture
does, by the way, it equates those two.
Yeah, they're very different. And not only are they very
different, but you laid it out really well for us because what
you described, and I listened towhat you said and you kept
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saying these words, assumptions and guesses.
And at its best, that's what it is.
You know, we don't, we weren't there.
We don't know. That's right.
We do have some recorded history.
We know the one in the Bible. You know, so, so there are some
of those. But you know, if you discard
that, then then yeah, you're just relying solely on man's
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interpretation. And if you start with that wrong
assumption, you're going to get the wrong the wrong answer.
And so. I got so many jokes that
illustrate that point from our presentations.
But yeah, I mean, then that's what that's the core issue.
And so you play that to dinosaurs.
So we we start with the biblicalworldview.
They were made on day 6 of creation week and an originally
perfect creation. There was no death, no
suffering, no blush or no disease.
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And the Bible tells us in the beginning all things were
vegetarian, just this 129 and 30.
Originally God told Adam neitherthey were to eat fruit, animals
were to eat plants. Originally all things were
vegetarian, which I know sounds weird to us today because maybe
you, like me, enjoy eating filetmignon wrapped in bacon or a
double bacon cheeseburger or just bacon.
So I know it sounds weird but makes really good biblical sense
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because there was no death in this world until after Adam
sinned. Which means you can't eat meat
until after Adam 10. Because when you eat meat,
you're eating animal that has died before sin.
There's no death. All things have to be vegetarian
and plants are not alive in likethe strict biblical sense.
And so originally man lived withdinosaurs.
There was no conflict, perfect relationship between animals and
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mankind. Everything was vegetarian to
begin with. And then man simmering death and
suffering into the world, that changed.
A lot of things started to change the diets for many
creatures, including some dinosaurs post fall of man.
And then during the flood, the flood wrecked this world.
All the dinosaurs not on the arkperished during the flood
outside the ark. Now there were some dinosaurs on
the ark because they're land dwelling, air breathing animals.
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People say, wait, that's that's impossible, right?
They're too big. Well, the average size of a
dinosaur is equal to that of a bison, like a big cow and
somewhere small as chickens. You can eat some good old KFD
back in the day. Terrible joke, but anyway, I.
Love it. And then actually all dinosaurs
started small because they had strem eggs and the biggest and
they can get is about this big for a whole lot of reasons.
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So when you find AT Rex egg, it's about this big.
Going over to the museum, you find a sauropod dinosaur egg.
They're about this big. They hatched started about this
big and they grew from there like alligators and crocodiles
today. And then so most likely guy
brought to know what younger adults of the dinosaurs would be
like big dogs or small horses togo onto the ark and then post
flood the dinosaurs grew out theark.
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They live with man for a period of time, but because the climate
was wrecked from the flood, fullpost flood got told Noah I'm
putting the fear of man into thebeasts of the earth.
So animals are scared of people post flood.
Therefore that creates conflict.Big animals are a threat,
therefore man's going to kill them without reservation to
protect their family and their resources and so forth.
The man's going to hunt dinosaurs probably pretty
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vehemently post flood so manhunted them a wrecked world
post flood. This is probably affected them
pretty quickly in a negative waypost flood.
They probably went extinct fairly quickly after Noah's
flood. And bear in mind and the word
dinosaurs, a new word not invented to 1841.
Before them, by and large they were called Dragons.
The dragon legends are literallyall around the world and pretty
much every single culture has them, though some are
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embellished over time. True, but many of them
accurately describe various known types of dinosaurs.
And oh, by the way, in older English Bibles before evolution
became popular, we have a Hebrewword called tanim that can be
translated as dragon, which could in some cases refer to
dinosaurs in the behemoth in Jobchapter 40, probably describing
A soropod dinosaur. So you have all these things
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kind of connecting. The biblical worldview explains
dinosaurs really, really well, and the secular worldview
doesn't. Couple of things #1 if you look
at the secular guess as to wheredinosaurs actually came from,
how they evolved, they've got nothing.
Don't often hear about that. And then they also suggest that
dinosaurs, some of them evolved into birds, which is
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genetically, scientifically impossible.
And then other like actual observations just reject long
periods of time. For example, we're finding soft
tissue from dinosaurs still intact in their bones literally
all the time. Where any, when I say soft, I
mean the tissue, it's actual tissue.
It's been tested, authenticated numerous times, so many times
and it's still pliable, it's still stretchy.
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You can pull a string back in place.
Oftentimes there are blood vessels and red blood cells
still intact in that tissue. Now, those organic remnants,
which are made of mostly water, should not last hundreds of
years after the creature's death.
Maybe thousands, no way. Millions, not millions.
It's a great confirmation, right?
And so we could go on, but you get the idea.
Real science confirms the biblical perspective.
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Just start with God's Word. And as you, as your listeners
can tell, that answer wasn't hard.
You don't need a PhD for that, just a biblical worldview.
So good real science affirms biblical worldview.
That's right. That's what we're talking about
here. And and as a man who has a kind
of a foot in both of those worlds, you know, I've had those
struggles myself, you know, going through medical training,
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going through scientific training, even at Christian
universities, you know, wrestling with.
OK, well, this is this is where I want to lead you next.
Wrestling with. OK, well, how do I rectify the
evidence that's shown me for evolution in my biology classes
with a God that creates? And, you know, one of the things
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that I remember struggling with was, OK, well, maybe, maybe God,
maybe God created us as whateverthe evolutionists say that we
were created as single cell organisms, whatever.
And can't God kind of guide thatprocess?
That was a fallacy. And it was a, it was a, it was a
road I went down at one point during my studies and I ended up
rejecting that idea. But can you walk through kind of
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the basics of why that can't be true either?
Yeah, no. And I think it's a great point
to bring up. And honestly, I think for a lot
of us, I know I went through that as well.
I mean, if you, if you're a Christian and you grew up in any
setting that wasn't like you didn't grow up in a Christian
home where they already believedin the younger earth and, you
know, global flood and stuff like that.
And you just went to public school like I did and you heard
all these things, then I think the natural inclination we have
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is, well, they must both be trueand they got used evolution.
So I don't think it's, it's logical in one sense to do that
because of the way we, the worldwe live in.
And so the struggle is real. So those, if there's people are
watching or struggling with that, I think that's a natural
struggle. And, and God's words not scared
of it. And we got answers as we engage
that. And so feel free to engage God's
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word on that. And so, yeah #1 again, you can't
add millions of years to the biblical text without putting
death before sin. That's that's a big theological.
Issue all goes back to that doesn't.
It that's a big one. And then also understand that
the idea of evolution, we got tosay this from a biblical
perspective, that idea comes from a secular interpretation of
present day clues rooted in a secular world view that rejects
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the Bible. It's really interesting
actually, if you backtracked a little bit and bring me back on
course if I get too far off, butI'm going to take a little
rabbit trail. Sure.
If you look at where the idea ofevolution actually came from as
a unique history that helped to expose its faulty foundation.
So you get to the early 1800s basically, and most scientists
up to that point believe the Bible and believe the Earth was
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young, like 6000 years old. But then there are some
scientists coming on scene like James Hutton and Charles Lyon
and many, many others like them who are started arguing this,
that you don't need the Bible, you don't need biblical history
to explain our origin and the rock layers of fossils and
diversity in life and so forth. They say you explain all
observations with only natural processes if you just give it
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enough time. And what I like to impress upon
people is that the modern iteration of millions of years
of popular culture did not come from any new evidence.
It came from a new interpretation of the same old
evidence. In the early 80s, these guys
projected biblical history. They had the same rocks, same
fossils. Great amateur dating comes in
the early 1900s. They found nothing new, but they
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got a new world view, a new way to interpret the same old
evidence. So they assumed only natural
processes, which is a worldview or religion called materialism.
Naturalism, also called atheism,a religion.
By definition, they weren't be neutral.
We can't be. We assume those assumptions.
And so they said, yeah, just natural processes given enough
time. So that was Charles Lyle.
He wrote a book on geology 1830,and he applied what's called
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uniformitarianism. But the key is the present to
the past, really the way things happen now, today, long, slow,
gradual natural processes only is the way it's always happened
in the unseen past. Which assumes the Bible's
history is not true. It assumes there was number
supernatural creation, that there was number global flood,
right? It rejects all that out of hand
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before it even looks at the evidence.
So his work really kind of laid the foundation for modern day
geology. And given long periods of time
to rock layers, who had this idea of uniformitarianism rooted
in naturalism became very popular.
And then you get to the mid 1800s, along comes a guy named
Charles Darwin who took Lyle's book Principles of Geology on
this book on the ship, on the ship called the Beagle.
And he loved Lyle's work. And as Darwin observed the
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finches and other things on the Galapagos Islands, he posited
this. He said, you know what, we can
explain all the diversity in life on earth today without God,
with just only natural processes, if you give this
processes enough time. And so that's where the idea
comes from. And so when you look at the
origin of millions of years and evolution, again, no new
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evidence, a different interpretation of the same
evidence based on different worldview rooted in naturalism,
which is totally anti biblical to its core.
And so we need to understand that's where the ideas actually
come from. They're not a neutral, unbiased
thing. They're secular presupposition.
And they're based on man's ideas.
They're based on man's best guesses, man's best assumptions,
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man's best theories of what explains the world around us.
And, you know, I think there's this recency bias that explains
a lot of, for sure, a lot of ourconditions.
And it, it applies in a lot of different areas, But I think it
applies here too, where we thinkthat the modern thoughts and
ideas that we have, you know, they're true because it, you
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know, it's, it's always been that way.
We'll know a lot of these ideas are recent and that hasn't
always been the truth. And it, you know, for, think
about how long we've been here. It's not millions of years, it's
thousands of years. And but thinking even thousands
of years, the the amount of timeI've been alive, you know, and
I'm no spring chicken, spring dinosaur, you know, but the
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amount of time I've been alive is really small.
And so we have to really have totake ourselves out of the
immediate context of our lives sometimes put ourselves in the
timeline of human history and say, well, you know, what has
what has mankind believed for a lot longer than just recently?
And we'll find a lot of answers that challenge our modern
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beliefs. And when we realize that the
thought of all of this is very, very recent and very, very new,
that that really kind of should make us have trepidation.
You should. About believing some of that.
Well, especially when it's when we know it's rooted in man's
ideas, you know, and that's the big thing we gotta keep in mind.
And other people might be saying, well, you're harping on
that a lot. Yeah, because that's the core
issue. And then you can't squeeze man's
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ideas into God's Word. There's a thing called exegesis,
which I know you're familiar with.
Exegete means to read out of it means you read a text in its
context because context determines meaning.
So when you do that, that allowsthe text to be the authority.
So we are to read the Bible exegetically because God is the
authority. The opposite of that is
isogesis, where you try to squeeze an idea into a text
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because you think the text should say that idea.
And when we try to squeeze millions of years of evolution
into the Bible, that's eyes of Jesus.
And when we do that, we're imposing something outside the
Bible into the Bible. We're making ourselves the
authority, the editor of the Word of God, which we have no
right nor authority to do. And so that's something that's a
big deal you don't add or take away from God's Word.
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And then to come back to kind ofthe core question from second
ago with evolution, I know a lotof people they think, and I
thought too, well, maybe we can just say just add long periods
of time to the biblical text, you know, make evolution square
with the Bible, doesn't it? Doesn't the creation order kind
of match the order of evolution?Not at all.
It's actually polar opposite. Actually, the order of creation
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contradicts the order of evolution at least 30 different
points. Yeah, definitely polar opposite.
And so just adding a long periodof time to the biblical text
does not make these things square.
Also Please note, real science confirms what God's word says
about creation, that God made animals according to their kind.
So according to the Bible, God made things reproduce according
to their kind. So God made the dog kind roughly
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family level, and that means dogs make variations of cats,
cats, horses, horses, tons of variations.
So they say the same kind, right?
That's what we actually observe.And we don't see dogs changing
into cats or cats into cows or cows into wells, which is what
macroevolution requires. We don't see that.
And there's not even a mechanismto make it even possible because
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natural selection and mutations,which are real things in our
fallen world, they duplicate, shuffle, or lose existing
genetic information. They do not add it, right.
And so, yeah, you'll get tons ofvariations through a natural
selection of mutations within the dog kind.
But they'll always say dogs don't evolve in anything else.
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They'll stay within that particular kind.
And so real science confirms howwe have these restrictions.
Yes, it's variation, but dogs say dogs and cats, cats, that's
what we actually observe with girls science.
And then Oh my goodness, some ofthe other things I can talk
about, but really quickly there's so many anti scientific
ideas in evolution. Go back to the beginning of
evolution. What do they say?
They say, well, in the beginningnothing exploded.
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Like run that back, back again, right, right.
No, they'll push back and say wedon't mean nothing.
We mean there was something, butnothing.
They'll say maybe there was a a quantum fluctuation that brought
things into existence from a different area of existence into
our existence. Well, where did that stuff come
from? Where did the laws of nature
come from? Or maybe there's like, multiple
universes, and ours eventually popped out of one of those.
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OK. And I just added a bunch of
other universities. How do you explain?
Yeah, like, you're not helping. You're not helping yourself at
all. Ultimately, you're still saying
something from nothing, which isgoes against multiple laws of
science. You cannot get something from
nothing. Scientific just does not work.
But they say it happened, so they believe it by faith.
They've got a faith, right? And so that's the thing
exploded. It made everything.
Then you get this chaos of a rapid expanding universe that
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somehow organizes itself againstknown laws of science like the
second law of thermodynamics. Things don't organize
themselves, they get more deorganized over time.
Somehow everything organized itself in the galaxies and solar
systems and so forth. And then some of your things we
could talk about. But then somehow the Earth form
about four and a half billion years ago, and then light with 5
billion. And life came from non life
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roughly 4 1/2 billion years ago.3 point 5 billion years ago,
life came from not life, but life only comes from life.
That's a law on science. And then somehow life got more
complex on its own over time, again going against their laws
of science. And so there are literally so
many anti scientific ideas embedded in evolutionary
ideology. And so as a Christian #1 it's a
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rejection of God's word. It's contrary to that God's
word, trustworthy and truth. And also #2 why trust an idea
that's so anti scientific at itscore?
Now we trust God's ward, and real science will confirm it.
That's so good. And really what you're doing is
you're helping us think through some of these issues and not
just those issues, but how they then play out with the rest of
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Scripture and with our walk as followers of Jesus.
And man, this has been so fun. I could talk to you for hours.
I don't know anybody, but peoplemay not listen to us, but but I
could talk to you for hours. This has been so fun.
One of the things that that I really just want to encourage
the listeners to do during this conversation is just, you know,
hey, realize God's word is true.God's Word is authoritative, and
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if you start making compromises with any of it, then you're
taking that away. And so, you know, there's no
shame judgment. I've been there, you've been
there. We've struggled with all this.
But what we're really just encouraging you to do is to come
back to the Word of God to and you know what the Holy Spirit is
faithful to. If we approach the word of God
and we ask the Lord to help us, he will help us to understand.
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He will give us what we need from that Scripture.
It is his living Word. And it's the only book we'll
ever read where the author is sitting there reading it with
us. And I love that about it.
And I love the work you're doing.
Brother, can you tell my listeners how to get in touch
with you, how to learn more about you, how to enter into
your world? Yeah, absolutely.
So a few different ways, our website, answersingenesis.org,
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that's our website. There are, you know, I'm talking
a mile a minute, just done a whole bunch of stuff out there,
but we have lots of answers for free on our website, either
articles, long articles, short articles, tons of videos, all
free. Also, they go to YouTube.
They can go to YouTube and just look up answers in Genesis.
There's a YouTube page there, most of our presentations.
And just so the audience knows, we have a lot of speakers, a lot
of scientists. I'm more of a biblical worldview
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guy. I just translate for the layman,
my level, so we can understand these issues.
But there are PhD scientists andgenetics and geology, astronomy
home staff here who are incredible.
I think I told them all the time, they're good friends of
mine, brilliant. They love Christ, and they give
good answers from a biblical worldview.
If you want to dive in deep, that stuff's available.
The Answers in Genesis on YouTube, check out the videos
there. They can go to also if they want
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to support us dot TV is our own streaming platform.
So we have over I think now 7000videos on that platform, stuff
for everybody in the family. It's only 40 bucks for an annual
subscription, which is like 330 a month.
A lot better than Netflix, but safe for the entire family.
It's all God exalting got glorified.
There's entertaining stuff, there's educational stuff,
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there's all sorts of great stuffon answers.tv.
They can check that out. And then we have tons of
resources. Man, we got so many books and
whatnot, but my God's greatest. I've written three books.
First two were quick answers to tough questions and then quick
answers to social issues. And those two books I just give
very short, concise answers to the most popular questions.
So what about dinosaurs in the Bible, the age of the earth, who
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decane Mary, carbon 14 dating, radiometric dating, all those
questions in that first book, each answer less than 500 words.
Because I know that most of us say we don't read a whole lot.
It's just a different culture. And you know, I still try to
read. I have to read a lot, but most
people don't because it's not their job, right?
And so these are short answers, very concise.
And then social issues, issues of life, equality, sexuality,
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and environment. It's a biblical answers to
abortion, euthanasia, climate change, social justice,
transgenderism, all those sorts of things.
And let me encourage the audience.
We got lots of answers and they're not hard.
They're really not. They're not popular.
I get that. But we're not called a
popularity. We're called to be faithful to
the glory of God. And so the answers are there.
And then the last book I wrote just came out a few months ago
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called Woke Injustice, a biblical Response to critical
race theory and multiple reasonsI wrote that book, but God laid
it on my heart. And it just gives a fairly
concise rebuttal of CRT, which is rooted in Marxism.
It's a neo Marxist ideology. And for that one, I feel like a
lot of Christians have been duped in the last few years into
buying into bad Marxist ideas because the neo Marxists of our
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age, critical race theorists, they use words we like and are
familiar with. Words like justice.
Yeah. Racial reconciliation, words
like equity, diversity and inclusion, even new words that
sound really good, like anti racism, like how can that be
bad? Well, when you're saying what
they mean by it and the assumptions that underlie it,
you understand how it actually is bad ultimately.
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And so I really what I do is I pull back the curtain.
I say, here's what here's here are the words they use.
There's our words. We use them too, but they have a
different definition to those words.
Here's what they mean when they use justice.
Here's what they mean when they say equity.
And so I quote them. It's not me setting up straw
man. He quoting them.
This is what they actually say. Here's the biblical rebuttal to
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that. Here's what the Bible says about
that. And then of course, we depend on
God's word on every issue. And so kind of lays that
foundation. So those three books are
available on our website or theygot Amazon or newly for master
books. They're there as well.
Yeah, the website answersandjustice.org is a great
first stop. YouTube, tons of videos there.
And then because I'm on Facebook, then if I'm on
Facebook, just look up Brian Osborne.
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You'll find me there. And if I can help, I'd be glad
to answer any questions that I can.
You are a wealth of information.I appreciate the level at which
you present this because you're right.
You can go deep and then I'm biginto, hey, you can have the best
information in the world, but ifyou can't make it where people
can understand it, then what good is that?
And so really what you're training to do, what you're
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training guys to do, and what myheart is, is whenever you're
struggling with an issue, what to believe and what to think,
what does God's word say? Amen.
And that, I think, is a full circle moment.
That's where you trained in the in the public school system.
That's how you learn to do what you're doing today.
And that's good for each and everyone of us to do.
What does God's word say? His word is the ultimate guide.
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If we can learn that and we can apply that, man, we'd be, we'd
be so much better off. So thanks for the difference
that you're making in the world,brother.
Appreciate you being here with me.
It's been a joy. And it will happen to do this
again. Man this has been fun.
I would gladly do it. Yeah, It's been great.
Really has. Thanks, Brian.
Bless you, my friend. Take care.
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Hey everyone, welcome back to the Rev RX podcast where we dive
deep in the faith, family and help today.
I'm so excited for you to meet my special guest, Brian Osborne.
Brian is from Answers in Genesis.
You may recognize them as the group behind the Creation Museum
and the Art Museum. What you'll love about Brian
though, is that he's a former public school teacher turn full
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time apologetic speaker. In other words, he defends the
truth of God. He defends the authority of the
Bible, and let me tell you, he brings the fire.
In our episode today, we dive into everything for the origin
of sin and death, how evolution undermines the gospel, and yes,
the all pressing question, wheredo dinosaurs fit in the Bible?
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You don't want to miss this one.If you've ever wondered why does
Genesis still matter in a modernworld or how to stand firm when
culture pushes back, this episode for you, let's jump in
with my friend Brian Osborne. Thank you so much, Brian, for
joining us today on the podcast.Man, what a privilege it is to
have you here with us. Ah, it's just great to hang out.
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Thanks for having me. Yes, Sir, Southern boy, born and
raised in you said North Carolina, lived in Tennessee.
And so man, you've been all around me.
I've stayed in Georgia for most of my life, but good to talk to
you. You're doing a lot of fantastic
work in the world of apologetics, and I've loved
following Answers in Genesis anda lot of the things that you
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contribute towards them. But before we get into some of
those specifics, I'd love for you just to introduce yourself
to my listeners and help to get us help us to get to know you a
little better. Sure.
Yeah, a little short version, asyou mentioned, I grew up in
North Carolina. I grew up in a wonderful
Christian hall, parents, Christians, at least when I was
born. And then I got saved when I was
17. God did a just a miraculous work
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of my life. They just changed my heart,
turned my heart towards him, ledme to true repentance of faith
and Christ alone. And ever since then, God's
really just done amazing things in my life for His glory.
I went to Bryan College over in Dayton, TN and I met my wife
there and in the course of my studies, we got married before
my senior year. And then after I graduated from
there with a MAT with a focus onbiblical studies.
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I by God's Providence and his intervention, I ended up
teaching Bible history in a public school for 13 years over
in Hickson, Tennessee. So the public school teacher for
a long time. So it was my wife and then in
the course of doing that, becamevery familiar with apologetics,
in particular creation apologetics, answers in Genesis
and so forth. And it got steered my path to
come along and join this ministry roughly 11 years ago
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now. So since then, by God's grace,
I've been traveling around literally the world, just giving
conferences, presentations on defending biblical authority
from the very first verse, equipment Christians to answer
questions, defend their faith, to proclaim the gospel.
And it's all God. It's him and him and him and him
and him and all. It's amazing what he has done is
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doing and will do. And it's fun to be part of what
he's doing. Yeah.
So here at the ministry, we're all about just proclaiming the
truth, defending the faith, proclaiming the gospel.
Love it. And all those are are just noble
roles because what you're doing is you're equipping us for a
Christian worldview and how to defend that against a growing
culture in society that, you know, doesn't really tolerate
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that. Yeah.
And we need your work now more than ever.
I'm convinced. I'm interested in in your
background as a school teacher. And you mentioned you taught was
a biblical history, Bible history.
Yeah. In a public school system.
You know, that's kind of that's unusual.
Tell us about that a little bit.You know, was there, you were in
a Bible Belt, I guess during that time, But how was that
teaching Bible classes in in a public school system?
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Well, I'll tell you it was an amazing experience.
I really love doing it. It was unique in a lot of
different ways. But like you said, I was in the
Bible Belt and this was, I stopped doing it 11 years ago
and I joined the ministry, although definitely the secular
indoctrination in our education system was in full swing 11
years ago. It wasn't to the level that it
is today and not as pervasive and so many states like the
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Bible Belt, but it was still there in some ways.
But there were still a lot of respect for the Bible.
There's a lot of respect for that class.
And it's funny, if I, I taught high school, so, you know, my
students will come into my classroom and great kids, but
you know, not, not all of them were Christians or they were
baby Christians. So their mouths sometimes
weren't the best. The language they used wouldn't
be good language in some cases. This and other, other scenarios
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when they came into my classroom, they, they, they
were, they were all, they were paying good attention to what
they said. They were careful to use the
right language, not to curse, todo things.
Why? Because they did respect for the
Bible. The person teaching the Bible,
there's that kind of inherent respect for it still at the
time, which is kind of neat. But the class itself was
teaching biblical history, two classes again, Old Testament and
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the New Testament. I talked through the Bible
chronologically. That was just amazing because
what I did was I, I talked through each testament
chronologically. So you put the people in that
testament in their proper order,the events in their proper
order. And when you do that, when you
teach the Bible in that chronological order, it makes
sense. There's a flow of history and it
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all points to Jesus in an amazingly powerful way.
And so it was amazing to see howGod used that to bring clarity
to people, to challenge not Christians to help Christians
have a better biblical worldview, even in that public
school setting. And I love doing.
It was a blessing. And there's also a training
ground. The rule was for me as a Bible
teacher that I could answer my students questions if they ask
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questions, but I could only givethem answers from the Bible.
In other words, I could not givemy opinion.
And if you think about it, that's what we're supposed to do
anyways. Christians like, who cares what
Brian Osborne thinks? What does the Bible say about
any given issue? That's the way they trained me
to go to God's word and say, OK,how do I answer this from God's
Word? Not my thoughts, not my
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traditions, not what I thought in the past, but what does God's
Word explicitly say about this in context?
And I can give them the right answer from that.
So it's a good training ground to do apologetics.
Then God of course, use that to get me ready to join this
ministry years later. Yeah, I love that because you're
exactly right. We tend to approach the
Scripture with these lenses. And that's not our fault
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necessarily. It's just, you know, that's how
we do things. And we inherently bring this
lens into our reading of Scripture, and so we interpret
it in that way. And so that that's really an
interesting situation to where, OK, you have to you have to
answer from the Bible and you have to answer, you know, fairly
objectively from the Bible, I'm sure.
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And so, man, we could all benefit from that, I think.
It was such a thing. And even, I'll say this too,
even we're carried answers in Genesis, I still continue that
in a different way because our ministry is not denominational.
And so we of course, we have ourfocus of Genesis 1 to 11 and
giving answers in regards to biblical history.
And also we deal with a lot of social issues in regards to that
as well. But a lot of the other
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denominational issues, we got towork really hard to try to toe
the lie. We're not trying to offend any
particular group, but saying true to God's word.
And again, it's teaching me to think biblically, not just
towards a particular tradition Imight have grown up with, but
what does the Bible actually sayabout any given topic?
So by God's grace, that trainingstill continues in my life right
now. Yeah, you were you were being
prepared even when you didn't know it.
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That's right. I love that.
So let's think about apologeticsa minute.
Maybe for some listeners out there, they're not familiar with
that term. How would you break that down
for us? What is it and why is it
important for us as everyday Christians?
Yeah #1 it's not apologizing forthe faith.
And I get the confusion, right? It just sounds like it.
But the word apologetics comes from a Greek word in particular,
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first, Peter 3:15 We're called to give an apologia or an answer
or defense for our faith. And in the context there too,
even in the context of persecution, but we're called to
give an answer. Why do you believe what you
believe, which comes from God's word, by the way?
And so we are commanded by God to be able to give an answer or
defense for our faith. So the reason we should do it as
Christians is that we are commanded by God to do so.
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Number one, that's our first priority, to obey him and please
him. Jude 1/3.
We are to to contend earnestly for the faith.
Something I'd like to encourage Christians with is that this is
a command for all believers, that we're all called to give a
defense. We're all called to engage
within our spirits of influence,to proclaim biblical truths in a
loving way, but in an uncompromising way, to proclaim
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the gospel effectively. And that's a call to every
single Christian. And I think for a lot of
Christians, we tend to think like giving a defense for the
faith, doing apologetics, doing stuff like street evangelism,
all those sorts of things. We tend to think that's only for
the Super Christians, for the Chuck Norris of Christians,
right? The Christians who do 36 hours
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of daily quiet time every day, right?
Those Christians, they know everything about everything.
And they, they fight against evolution and cultural Marxism.
They do St. evangelism. It's just for them.
But you won't find that in the Bible.
In the Bible, if you are called by Christ, Jude actually says if
you are called sanctified, preserved by him, if you're a
believer, you are to contend earnestly for the faith.
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Yes, this is for every one of us.
And so we do it out of obedienceto God #1 but also #2 our
culture needs it so desperately.Church needs it so desperately,
and our children need it so desperately.
There weren't supposed to be 3 C's there, but there you go.
All right. And so, but they really do.
So our culture, I mean, it's utterly rebelling against God.
It is an utter confusion becauseof that, and it leads to chaos
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in our culture, and people are broken from that chaos.
And so we have the message of truth that brings clarity that
people need so desperately. So our culture needs a chat.
Our church needs it, all the heavens, because so many
Christians have, maybe unwittingly, but they've
compromised God's word in different areas.
And so we've actually underminedbiblical authority by embracing
different cultural ideas. And so some of the chaos from
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the culture has actually come into the church, and the church
is added to the chaos, but not being the light God's called us
to be. And so you have that problem.
And then for our own kids, within our own families who are
in this culture, in this confusion, they need clarity now
more than ever. They need a strong foundation in
God's Word to have that clarity.And so giving answers, defending
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the faith through the biblical worldview that proclaims truth,
truth is kindness as it brings clarity to those who are
confused. And so that's why and there are
more reasons, but this is sort of what we're going to give an
answer. Well, that's beautiful and I'm a
big believer in that too with with the people that I pastor.
We went through recently how to tell your story because I'm
convinced, you know, Jesus has made a difference in your life
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that then yeah, it's a calling on your life to share about that
to tell your story, you know, totalk about the hope that you
have in him and and yes, not forthe Super Christians.
It's not just for the pastors. I think a lot of times in
America, we tend to think, well,we hired a guy for that, right?
That's right. We outsource our witnessing and
we outsource our biblical defense and that's not biblical,
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you know, it's for every believer.
And so I think setting that up, that's one O 1, you know, we
need, we needed to kind of have that first.
And so going from there, one of the things you mentioned is that
Answers in Genesis is about Genesis one through 11 and
really helping us understand that that's where everything
begins. That gives us the foundation of
our faith. Can you go into a little bit
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about why there's that intense focus on those first 11 chapters
of the Bible and really kind of how that plays out in our lives?
Yeah, a couple different ways we'd say it's so important #1
because it's one of the primary places where the enemy's
attacking biblical authority is Genesis 1 to 11.
And he's done so now for decades, if not centuries.
And it really goes back to Genesis chapter 3, when the
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devil said that Eve did God really say?
And getting Eve to question, doubt and reject God's word?
And that was a very effective method.
He's used the same method ever since, different forms with same
basic attack. And really one of the main ways
he's doing that attack today it's through the ideas of like
evolution, ape men, Big Bang, millions of years using those
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sort of secular ideas to get so many people today to question
God's word without God's word, to reject God's word.
Go Chad. Bottom line, if you can't
believe the Bible's history, whytrust about morality, gender,
sexuality or salvation? If you can't trust Genesis 1 to
11, watch Trust John chapter 3 Revelation 22.
It's a slippery slope, isn't? It, it is either all of God's
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words authoritative and true, ornone of it is so #1 it's an
issue of authority. Can we trust what God's Word
says in its proper context and then rightly apply it?
So it's an issue of authority. Then secondarily, as you
mentioned, our entire biblical worldviews built from the
foundation of Genesis 1:00 to 11:00.
Every single biblical doctrine, either directly or indirectly,
is rooted in that history of Genesis 1 to 11.
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Three one few quick examples. How do we know what marriage is?
Well, that comes from Genesis 1 to 11, right?
Why is there sin and death in the world?
Genesis 1 to 11. Why do we practice A7 day week?
Genesis 1 to 11? Why do we wear clothes?
And we are wearing clothes, and that's good.
All right, praise God. That goes back to Genesis
chapters 1 to 11, Chad, how do we know that?
Every single person, no matter what they look like, what their
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skin shade is, what their accentis, how much money they have,
how good or bad they are at the athletics.
Every person has inherent they have inherent equal indelible
value because they're made in the image of the living God.
Genesis 1 to 11. Why did Jesus die on the cross?
Why is he called the last Adam? Why do we need a new heavens, a
new earth and all goes back to Genesis 1 to 11 foundation for
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every single biblical doctrine. And so you take with that
foundation and that biblical worldview will collapse actually
happening our culture today. And it's not just the issue of
origins. We have a we give a ton of
answers on that, you know, aboutage of the earth, dinosaurs,
rock layers, and that's where the attack is taking place.
But also the social issues are our answers as Christians to
those social issues are rooted in Genesis 1 to 11 because as we
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talked about in our culture, what people want to redefine
marriage. Well, how do we know what
marriage is? That's back in Genesis chapter
2, right? How do we know what sexuality
is? How do we know there are only
two genders? How do we know about the
sanctity of life from fertilization?
That all goes back to the history in Genesis 1-2 and three
and then all through 11. And so we give biblical answers
based on towards a social issuesrooted in that biblical
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authority, in a biblical worldview, that biblical history
starting there in that foundation, it is literally the
foundation for everything withinbiblical Christianity.
And again, if you take away thatfoundation and that's what the
enemy has done, he's focuses attack on that foundational
history. Genesis 1 to 11, the rest of the
Christian structure will fall, as we see happening with the
collapse of the Christian worldview in the Western world
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today. And so it's a lot more than just
giving answers about dinosaurs. So we do that, absolutely, but
ultimately biblical authority inthe gospel rooted in that
authority. Yeah, I love the big picture
view of that because you're exactly right.
If we, you know, if we give in to this one area that that's OK,
Well, maybe that part's not true.
You know, maybe God didn't really mean that because you're
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right. Going back to Genesis 3, in the
garden, the serpent shows up, the enemy, Satan, whatever you
want to call him, he shows up and he says he questions the
word of God. Did God really say that?
And, and with that as an implication that God can't be
trusted? And so if we begin to buy in
that God can't be trusted in this area or God's word can't be
trusted in this area, then then,yeah, where does that stop?
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And and so you're, you're exactly right.
We've got to be able to say the entire Bible is authoritative.
The entire Bible is to be taken,you know, at its word, no pun
intended. And, you know, really, we have
to work through that. And that's why I love what
you're doing. And that's why I love Answers in
Genesis, because you're combating that head on.
You're not apologizing. I love that you're not
apologizing for the fate. Then we're not, we're not giving
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ground just to kind of not offend, but we're standing for
the truth because the truth is ultimately kindness.
It is and I'll tell you what andI praise God for what God is
doing in actress in Genesis. Ken Ham was our founder from
Australia got an amazing testament about how God really
worked in and through his life to make this ministry come into
being. This is God's ministry for his
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glory and you see how God's donethat through Ken.
It's an amazing thing and we areabout sending a biblical
authority and Chad related to that is we got to realize as you
were speaking. I just kind of thought about
this that there is no neutral something we talk about quite
often. I think many Christians buy into
this false narrative in our culture that Oh well, we have a
neutral as we engage on different issues, social issues,
so-called political issues or even origin issues got to be
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neutral. But there is no neutral on every
issue. Either God's word is your
authority or man's word is no one's neutral.
And so when someone asks you to be neutral number, you need to
recognize #1 they're not neutraland you can't be either.
Everyone is putting their faith in a foundational authority and
Chad, everybody's got faith. The question is where do you put
it? You got two options, either
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God's word or man's. And also watch this, if we
reject God's word and say we're going to put our faith in man's
word about any given issue, here's what actually happens.
We are then saying that we can look at man's ideas today, we
can sift through them. We can pick the ideas we like
best. We can determine truth for
ourselves. We just became as our own God
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all the way back to Genesis chapter 3, the same lie.
And so there is no neutral that we stand on God's Word
uncompromisingly, boldly, unashamedly, Yes, lovingly.
And as we do so, we got answers can defend the faith.
And you said to proclaim the Gospel effectively.
Yeah. And you know, there there's this
sense that we as believers need to be equipped with the
knowledge to do that. And that's where you guys come
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in because you know, you're, you're helping us make sense of
some of this and you're helping us train others in these areas
so that we do have a congruent, cohesive group of people who are
standing firm in the faith. And so you mentioned a couple
things that I think are just funto talk about.
And I've been through some courses on this and I've studied
it myself. And some people, man, there,
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there are debates about the age of the earth, right?
There's young earth, old earth. I'd love for you to 1st answer
the question, why does it matter?
And you know, I know a lot matters.
I want you to, yeah, put words to that and then help us to kind
of walk through creation as far as the seven days.
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Because one of the things that'sbeen very powerful and very
instrumental for me is realizingthat, you know, there is this.
If you can compromise a little bit with God's Word, then you
can compromise a lot. It's a slippery slope.
And so, you know, when you startsaying, OK, well, maybe this
wasn't literal, maybe it wasn't actually seven days, but when
you look at the order in which things were created, it kind of
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has to be that way, right? So that maybe that's kind of a
load of question. I'll let you go where you want
to with that. But the age of the Earth, why
does it matter? And then creation and seven been
literal days. Yeah, no, and that's the best
place to start as far as with the issue of any of these issues
by the origins and age or why does it matter?
And it matters for a lot of reasons.
And we'll kind of get, we'll break down some of the details
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of this here in a moment, but itmatters someone because again,
can we trust what the Bible clearly says in context?
Because we can't trust what it clearly says in context in
Genesis chapters 1-2 and three. Again, why trust John in
Revelation? It's an issue of can you trust
what God's Word says? An issue of authority then also
related to that if you and by the way, let me say this first I
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grew up in I grew up in public schools I grew up in believing
nods of ears. Dinosaurs lived many years ago
evolution. Maybe God used it.
I didn't know, you know, I didn't care.
I didn't think it mattered. Basically, just don't worry
about just trusting Jesus. And so I understand the struggle
because I've been there and right, because it doesn't seem
to matter. And also we're just so saturated
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with the idea of millions of years.
It's literally everywhere. It is like everywhere.
And it's from trusted sources. You got school teachers, you got
textbooks, you got zoos, you gotmuseums.
It's in pop culture, it's in movies, it's in literally
everything for a long time. And then even like medical
literature, so I'm reading some of this stuff and it talks about
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ancestrally millions of years ago.
And I'm like, OK, that don't have to to be both of those
things don't have to be true. Yeah.
And so I get the struggle, and I'm not, I'm not unaware of it.
I've been through it. So just so our audience knows,
I'm not coming at this from someone who's never had other
ideas in their life. No, I've been there.
So I recognize the struggle. So I get it.
It's a real thing, but it is an issue of authority.
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And then also, here's the problem theologically, couple
problems #1 the text is explicit.
And so if the text is explicit and it says one thing.
But that's not what it means. It means something else.
Then you just said that text. The Bible has errors and it's
fallible. That's a big issue.
And also if you try to put millions of years into the
Bible, it doesn't matter how youtry, no matter how good your
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intentions may be, no matter which method you use.
Day age theory, gap theory, progressive creation, theistic
evolution, framework hypothesis,cosmic temple, a bunch of
others. But they all inevitably put
millions of years of death before sin.
Death before sin is theologically impossible for a
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bunch of reasons. I'll give you the short summary
for now to hold talks on this. But here's the issue.
Here's what the Bible says that God made a perfect creation.
There was no death, no suffering, no sin, no perfect
creation. God worn down on the day you eat
out of the fruit, you'll surely die.
And so the Bible says that it was man's sin that brought
death, the enemy into God's perfect creation.
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So from a biblical perspective, we explain the world through
that biblical lens, perfect creation, the corruption of
man's sin. Noah's flood wrecked everything,
and then Tower of Babel and so forth and so on, right?
And so within the biblical worldview, we got perfect
creation, man's sin. Then there's a flood that laid
most of the rock layers and fossils we see today.
So from a biblical worldview, weexplain the rock layers full of
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fossils, dead things after Adam,sin primarily through Noah's
flood, which just makes sense. Death after sin.
Here's a problem. If you reject that, what are you
left with? Man's ideas.
What does man say Man says today?
The rock layers. No, silly rabbit, they aren't
evidence of a global flood. They're the evidence for
millions of years. They're the tangible evidence
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for millions of years. The secularists will say, they
will argue because rock layers will lay down slowly over
millions of years. Watch this Long before man ever
existed, and thus before sin. And in those rock layers
supposedly laid down before man,before sin, there's tons of
evidence of disease, cancer, bloodshed, and death.
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Lots and lots of death. But wait, God.
It says that God looked down on day 6 of creation week and
caught everything very good before man sins.
Surely God would not call many fears of death, suffering,
bloodshed, cancer, very good if he did.
They see a very good God. And by the way, if that were
true, it means God is the authorof death.
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It was part of his original verygood creation.
And by embracing that, we're actually blaming God for death
instead of our sin. All right, we find thorns in the
fossil record that the secularists will say are
millions of years old. For the Bible's clear thorns
came after the curse. They're a result of the curse.
They're a symbol of the curse. So it's like Christ for the
crown of thorns. But most important of all, this
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is where I really hope everybodyzones in.
If you try to put millions of years into the Bible, you'll put
death before sin. And watch this logically and
theologically. If there was death before sin,
that means death is not the payment for sin.
It's just always been around part of God's very good
creation. And if death is not the payment
for sin, then Jesus's death cannot and does not pay our sin
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debt. And we just undermine
chrysatonic work on the cross, whether we meant to or not,
maybe with the best of intentions.
And I tell people all the time, This is why we care so much.
And you know, if this was just an argument about the age of
earth, if this, if this was justabout radiometric dating, I'm
out. I I don't care that much about
radiometric dating. I care about, we give good
answers to that. We got great answers to that.
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But we give answers because it'sabout biblical authority and the
gospel rooted in that authority.That's what turned attack and
that's what's at stake. And I love sharing with people
that, you know what? The good news of Jesus Christ
doesn't start in the book of Matthew.
Yeah, I love Matthew. Yeah.
But the gospel starts in Genesis.
Yeah. And the biblical authority from
there. And so in short, I can hold
talks on that, but theologically, that's why it
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matters. That's powerful because when you
trace down the cause and effect of of holding that seemingly
innocuous belief that the world holds that, you know, the earth
is millions of years old, man, we're still in our sins.
That's right. Forgiveness is not possible and
eternal life cannot happen. That's beautiful, man.
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That, that that's the work that you're doing that I think is so,
so important. Thanks for breaking that down
for us. That's that really helps us to
see, hey, your belief here impacts a lot down the road.
And one of the things I that youmentioned, and I'd love to just
kind of this is a personal it's my podcast.
I can ask what I want, right. That's right.
Where did the dinosaurs come in?Help us with that, because
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that's one question I get a lot.Yeah, every.
I mean, you know, we grew up with dinosaur toys.
You've got dinosaurs behind you on your shelf.
My kids love them. How can we explain to our kids,
OK, you've got Adam and Eve and then, you know, we've got all
this, all these generations happened since then.
Where did dinosaurs come in? They're not in the Bible, right?
Yeah. What's your answer to that?
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So let me let's back up one stepbecause it needs to be helpful
in getting into dinosaurs and we'll get to dinosaurs and that
is the days of creation because we kind of I gave up the death
for sin, but I think I get to the days of creation.
Let me back up to that because that's just the context for the
creation week and so forth. I just want to say, you know,
make the comment again and againthat the text is clear about the
days of creation and the earth is young and people might be
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saying, well, where do you get that from?
I just want to kind of point outwhere that comes from.
So when you look in the word andwe look in the in the Bible, we
got the word day, the Hebrew word for days Yom.
And the word day has multiple meanings.
Most words do depending on context.
Same thing for the Hebrew word which is Yom which means day for
us. And so it can mean like a
literal day, it could mean the daylight portion of the day or
it can mean like a period of time like back in the day I did
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this. So the word has multiple
meanings. How do you know which meaning is
used in a particular context based on contextual clues?
And so very quickly, anytime youlook in the Old Testament and
you see the word day and it's accompanied by a number, it's on
the first day or during the second day over 400 times.
It's always a literal 24 hour day.
Anytime you see in the Old Testament where it says there's
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evening and morning and it has the word day in the same
sentence or no day at all, it's always a literal 24 hour day.
Anytime you see night with day every time in the Old Testament,
say literal 20. And so Chad, anytime you see any
one of those contextual clues, just one of those clues, it's
always a literal 24 hour day every time in the Old Testament.
It's good. Yeah.
So the question is, is the context clear or not clear in
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Genesis chapter 1? Well, if you look at Genesis
chapter one for every day of creation, it says evening,
morning, the first day, evening,morning.
The second day, you have evening, good morning and a
number attached to date on everysingle day of creation besides
day 7, which just says day 7, still it has the number attached
to the word day. And so there are multiple
contextual clues. These are regular 24 hour days.
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And I give a whole talk on this.It's a very short answer, short
version. My point is simply this, the
text and context is really clear.
These are regular 24 hour days. We get the number 6000 from the
biblical genealogies. Basically from Adam to Abraham
it's roughly 2000 years. Abraham to Christ 2000 years,
Christ to today, roughly 2000 years.
That's where the number 6000 comes from.
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People are wondering about that.And then lastly, this idea is
reaffirmed throughout Scripture.This 2011 from the 10
commandments for in six days Lord made heaven, the earth, the
sea and all that is in though. And then of course he rested on
7th day, the context for the Sabbath.
And so again, it's very clear God made everything is 6 days by
the power of his word supernaturally.
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So when I kind of throw that outthere because I keep saying the
text is explicit, that's what I mean.
There's more, but that's just a little sample of that.
So those days are real days. That's a real creation week done
by got supernatural power. Dinosaurs were made on day 6 of
creation week. You know, dinosaurs by
definition are land animals witha certain hip structure, legs
underneath the body. Technically you're things like
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those old pterosaurs, those flying reptiles or things like
the plesiosaurs or swimming reptiles.
They are not technically dinosaurs, whether we're going
to lump them together. But dinosaurs by definition are
land animals. Land animals are made on day 6
of Creation week. Therefore, T Rex dinosaurs are
made on day 6 of Creation Week. Also, as I'm sure your listeners
know, man was made on day 6 of Creation Week.
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That means people have been living with dinosaurs basically
from the beginning, from day 6 of Creation Week.
Which means we got to rethink somuch of what we thought about
dinosaurs and history and rethinking words we use like
prehistory. That word prehistory is thrown
around all the time in textbooksand zoos, museums.
Prehistory, prehistoric. But there's no such thing as
prehistory. We got history from the
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beginning. In the beginning, God created
heavens and the earth, and so wegot to stop thinking about this
stuff from a secular perspectiveand thinking about from a
biblical perspective. And let me just say again, one
more caveat. I get it to those who are
watching and this is a struggle,I get it.
I've been there. I grew up learning dinosaurs,
lived 90 years ago. Was Jurassic Park the original
good one? You know, all those movies, all
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that stuff, going to these museums, loving dinosaurs.
I've been there. I get the struggle, but you got
to understand we got to start with God's Word.
And before I go any further on that, let me also give one more
crucial point. I know I'm rambling on a lot but
I think. That's good.
That what we need to understand about understanding history is
that your worldview will dictatehow you interpret present day
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observations and when you're trying to figure out the unseen
past. That is so different than
operational science, and so people will confuse operational
science with historical science.Operational science is done in
the here and now. It's observable, testable,
repeatable, and falsifiable. That's how we make technology
and do medicine. And so you are so familiar with
that. I know.
And what you do for a living, atleast one of your jobs.
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All right, So you know how you do an operational science.
And operational science is used to make medicines, to help
people, help human flourishing. And there's no conflict between
operational science and the Bible.
It's only possible because the Bible is true, because God made
the entire world and he made thelaws of nature that are not
touchable. We see the effects of them, not
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the law itself, but they stay the same because God made them
and he holds them together. That's what we science to begin
with. But that is so different than
what you might call historical science.
And that's when you're trying tofigure out what happened in the
unseen past to bring about what we're looking at in the present
today. And when you're doing that, it's
like a form of forensic science.You get to the crime scene.
What do you do? You look at clues.
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You didn't see the event, but you look at clues, you interpret
those clues in the present through a set of assumptions
about the unseen past to make a guess about what you think took
place, to bring about the setting you're looking at.
And here's the core issue. If you start with the wrong
assumptions, put your faith in the wrong foundational
authority, you'll likely get thewrong conclusions.
And we know this experientially just watching, like CSI.
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You know, if you watch the show,it's almost the same thing every
time you get there. There's a crime scene, they show
up on the crime scene, they're looking at all the evidence and
it's all pointing to like that guy, he did it, he did it.
And so they're looking at for the entire show, that guy did
it, he did it. You go throughout their entire
show, he did it, he did it. At the very end, what do you
get? You get some piece of evidence
you didn't have before, or a newinterpretation of an old piece
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of evidence, or better yet, an eyewitness who shows up and
tells you this is what actually happened.
And it gives you a whole new interpretation of those clues
you looked at previously. Same thing here with origins.
Your assumptions, your foundational authority, your
worldview will dictate how to interpret present day
observations. And so we should not be
surprised that secular scientists get such wrong
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conclusions about origins and history because they're starting
with the wrong assumptions. They're starting with the idea
that the Bible is wrong about the past and that man's guess is
a better starting point. No wonder they're so wrong with
their conclusions. So I want to lay that out too.
Yeah, principle before dive intoany other topics, but even
dinosaurs. I love that because there is a
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big difference between because alot of times we used to equate
science to science. You know, the science, the
hypothesis, you test the hypothesis, all that.
That's that's that's the same asdetermining what happened in the
past. And that's what our culture
does, by the way, it equates those two.
Yeah, they're very different. And not only are they very
different, but you laid it out really well for us because what
you described, and I listened towhat you said and you kept
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saying these words, assumptions and guesses.
And at its best, that's what it is.
You know, we don't, we weren't there.
We don't know. That's right.
We do have some recorded history.
We know the one in the Bible. You know, so, so there are some
of those. But you know, if you discard
that, then then yeah, you're just relying solely on man's
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interpretation. And if you start with that wrong
assumption, you're going to get the wrong the wrong answer.
And so. I got so many jokes that
illustrate that point from our presentations.
But yeah, I mean, then that's what that's the core issue.
And so you play that to dinosaurs.
So we we start with the biblicalworldview.
They were made on day 6 of creation week and an originally
perfect creation. There was no death, no
suffering, no blush or no disease.
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And the Bible tells us in the beginning all things were
vegetarian, just this 129 and 30.
Originally God told Adam neitherthey were to eat fruit, animals
were to eat plants. Originally all things were
vegetarian, which I know sounds weird to us today because maybe
you, like me, enjoy eating filetmignon wrapped in bacon or a
double bacon cheeseburger or just bacon.
So I know it sounds weird but makes really good biblical sense
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because there was no death in this world until after Adam
sinned. Which means you can't eat meat
until after Adam 10. Because when you eat meat,
you're eating animal that has died before sin.
There's no death. All things have to be vegetarian
and plants are not alive in likethe strict biblical sense.
And so originally man lived withdinosaurs.
There was no conflict, perfect relationship between animals and
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mankind. Everything was vegetarian to
begin with. And then man simmering death and
suffering into the world, that changed.
A lot of things started to change the diets for many
creatures, including some dinosaurs post fall of man.
And then during the flood, the flood wrecked this world.
All the dinosaurs not on the arkperished during the flood
outside the ark. Now there were some dinosaurs on
the ark because they're land dwelling, air breathing animals.
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People say, wait, that's that's impossible, right?
They're too big. Well, the average size of a
dinosaur is equal to that of a bison, like a big cow and
somewhere small as chickens. You can eat some good old KFD
back in the day. Terrible joke, but anyway, I.
Love it. And then actually all dinosaurs
started small because they had strem eggs and the biggest and
they can get is about this big for a whole lot of reasons.
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So when you find AT Rex egg, it's about this big.
Going over to the museum, you find a sauropod dinosaur egg.
They're about this big. They hatched started about this
big and they grew from there like alligators and crocodiles
today. And then so most likely guy
brought to know what younger adults of the dinosaurs would be
like big dogs or small horses togo onto the ark and then post
flood the dinosaurs grew out theark.
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They live with man for a period of time, but because the climate
was wrecked from the flood, fullpost flood got told Noah I'm
putting the fear of man into thebeasts of the earth.
So animals are scared of people post flood.
Therefore that creates conflict.Big animals are a threat,
therefore man's going to kill them without reservation to
protect their family and their resources and so forth.
The man's going to hunt dinosaurs probably pretty
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vehemently post flood so manhunted them a wrecked world
post flood. This is probably affected them
pretty quickly in a negative waypost flood.
They probably went extinct fairly quickly after Noah's
flood. And bear in mind and the word
dinosaurs, a new word not invented to 1841.
Before them, by and large they were called Dragons.
The dragon legends are literallyall around the world and pretty
much every single culture has them, though some are
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embellished over time. True, but many of them
accurately describe various known types of dinosaurs.
And oh, by the way, in older English Bibles before evolution
became popular, we have a Hebrewword called tanim that can be
translated as dragon, which could in some cases refer to
dinosaurs in the behemoth in Jobchapter 40, probably describing
A soropod dinosaur. So you have all these things
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kind of connecting. The biblical worldview explains
dinosaurs really, really well, and the secular worldview
doesn't. Couple of things #1 if you look
at the secular guess as to wheredinosaurs actually came from,
how they evolved, they've got nothing.
Don't often hear about that. And then they also suggest that
dinosaurs, some of them evolved into birds, which is
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genetically, scientifically impossible.
And then other like actual observations just reject long
periods of time. For example, we're finding soft
tissue from dinosaurs still intact in their bones literally
all the time. Where any, when I say soft, I
mean the tissue, it's actual tissue.
It's been tested, authenticated numerous times, so many times
and it's still pliable, it's still stretchy.
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You can pull a string back in place.
Oftentimes there are blood vessels and red blood cells
still intact in that tissue. Now, those organic remnants,
which are made of mostly water, should not last hundreds of
years after the creature's death.
Maybe thousands, no way. Millions, not millions.
It's a great confirmation, right?
And so we could go on, but you get the idea.
Real science confirms the biblical perspective.
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Just start with God's Word. And as you, as your listeners
can tell, that answer wasn't hard.
You don't need a PhD for that, just a biblical worldview.
So good real science affirms biblical worldview.
That's right. That's what we're talking about
here. And and as a man who has a kind
of a foot in both of those worlds, you know, I've had those
struggles myself, you know, going through medical training,
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going through scientific training, even at Christian
universities, you know, wrestling with.
OK, well, this is this is where I want to lead you next.
Wrestling with. OK, well, how do I rectify the
evidence that's shown me for evolution in my biology classes
with a God that creates? And, you know, one of the things
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that I remember struggling with was, OK, well, maybe, maybe God,
maybe God created us as whateverthe evolutionists say that we
were created as single cell organisms, whatever.
And can't God kind of guide thatprocess?
That was a fallacy. And it was a, it was a, it was a
road I went down at one point during my studies and I ended up
rejecting that idea. But can you walk through kind of
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the basics of why that can't be true either?
Yeah, no. And I think it's a great point
to bring up. And honestly, I think for a lot
of us, I know I went through that as well.
I mean, if you, if you're a Christian and you grew up in any
setting that wasn't like you didn't grow up in a Christian
home where they already believedin the younger earth and, you
know, global flood and stuff like that.
And you just went to public school like I did and you heard
all these things, then I think the natural inclination we have
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is, well, they must both be trueand they got used evolution.
So I don't think it's, it's logical in one sense to do that
because of the way we, the worldwe live in.
And so the struggle is real. So those, if there's people are
watching or struggling with that, I think that's a natural
struggle. And, and God's words not scared
of it. And we got answers as we engage
that. And so feel free to engage God's
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word on that. And so, yeah #1 again, you can't
add millions of years to the biblical text without putting
death before sin. That's that's a big theological.
Issue all goes back to that doesn't.
It that's a big one. And then also understand that
the idea of evolution, we got tosay this from a biblical
perspective, that idea comes from a secular interpretation of
present day clues rooted in a secular world view that rejects
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the Bible. It's really interesting
actually, if you backtracked a little bit and bring me back on
course if I get too far off, butI'm going to take a little
rabbit trail. Sure.
If you look at where the idea ofevolution actually came from as
a unique history that helped to expose its faulty foundation.
So you get to the early 1800s basically, and most scientists
up to that point believe the Bible and believe the Earth was
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young, like 6000 years old. But then there are some
scientists coming on scene like James Hutton and Charles Lyon
and many, many others like them who are started arguing this,
that you don't need the Bible, you don't need biblical history
to explain our origin and the rock layers of fossils and
diversity in life and so forth. They say you explain all
observations with only natural processes if you just give it
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enough time. And what I like to impress upon
people is that the modern iteration of millions of years
of popular culture did not come from any new evidence.
It came from a new interpretation of the same old
evidence. In the early 80s, these guys
projected biblical history. They had the same rocks, same
fossils. Great amateur dating comes in
the early 1900s. They found nothing new, but they
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got a new world view, a new way to interpret the same old
evidence. So they assumed only natural
processes, which is a worldview or religion called materialism.
Naturalism, also called atheism,a religion.
By definition, they weren't be neutral.
We can't be. We assume those assumptions.
And so they said, yeah, just natural processes given enough
time. So that was Charles Lyle.
He wrote a book on geology 1830,and he applied what's called
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uniformitarianism. But the key is the present to
the past, really the way things happen now, today, long, slow,
gradual natural processes only is the way it's always happened
in the unseen past. Which assumes the Bible's
history is not true. It assumes there was number
supernatural creation, that there was number global flood,
right? It rejects all that out of hand
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before it even looks at the evidence.
So his work really kind of laid the foundation for modern day
geology. And given long periods of time
to rock layers, who had this idea of uniformitarianism rooted
in naturalism became very popular.
And then you get to the mid 1800s, along comes a guy named
Charles Darwin who took Lyle's book Principles of Geology on
this book on the ship, on the ship called the Beagle.
And he loved Lyle's work. And as Darwin observed the
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finches and other things on the Galapagos Islands, he posited
this. He said, you know what, we can
explain all the diversity in life on earth today without God,
with just only natural processes, if you give this
processes enough time. And so that's where the idea
comes from. And so when you look at the
origin of millions of years and evolution, again, no new
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evidence, a different interpretation of the same
evidence based on different worldview rooted in naturalism,
which is totally anti biblical to its core.
And so we need to understand that's where the ideas actually
come from. They're not a neutral, unbiased
thing. They're secular presupposition.
And they're based on man's ideas.
They're based on man's best guesses, man's best assumptions,
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man's best theories of what explains the world around us.
And, you know, I think there's this recency bias that explains
a lot of, for sure, a lot of ourconditions.
And it, it applies in a lot of different areas, But I think it
applies here too, where we thinkthat the modern thoughts and
ideas that we have, you know, they're true because it, you
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know, it's, it's always been that way.
We'll know a lot of these ideas are recent and that hasn't
always been the truth. And it, you know, for, think
about how long we've been here. It's not millions of years, it's
thousands of years. And but thinking even thousands
of years, the the amount of timeI've been alive, you know, and
I'm no spring chicken, spring dinosaur, you know, but the
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amount of time I've been alive is really small.
And so we have to really have totake ourselves out of the
immediate context of our lives sometimes put ourselves in the
timeline of human history and say, well, you know, what has
what has mankind believed for a lot longer than just recently?
And we'll find a lot of answers that challenge our modern
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beliefs. And when we realize that the
thought of all of this is very, very recent and very, very new,
that that really kind of should make us have trepidation.
You should. About believing some of that.
Well, especially when it's when we know it's rooted in man's
ideas, you know, and that's the big thing we gotta keep in mind.
And other people might be saying, well, you're harping on
that a lot. Yeah, because that's the core
issue. And then you can't squeeze man's
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ideas into God's Word. There's a thing called exegesis,
which I know you're familiar with.
Exegete means to read out of it means you read a text in its
context because context determines meaning.
So when you do that, that allowsthe text to be the authority.
So we are to read the Bible exegetically because God is the
authority. The opposite of that is
isogesis, where you try to squeeze an idea into a text
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because you think the text should say that idea.
And when we try to squeeze millions of years of evolution
into the Bible, that's eyes of Jesus.
And when we do that, we're imposing something outside the
Bible into the Bible. We're making ourselves the
authority, the editor of the Word of God, which we have no
right nor authority to do. And so that's something that's a
big deal you don't add or take away from God's Word.
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And then to come back to kind ofthe core question from second
ago with evolution, I know a lotof people they think, and I
thought too, well, maybe we can just say just add long periods
of time to the biblical text, you know, make evolution square
with the Bible, doesn't it? Doesn't the creation order kind
of match the order of evolution?Not at all.
It's actually polar opposite. Actually, the order of creation
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contradicts the order of evolution at least 30 different
points. Yeah, definitely polar opposite.
And so just adding a long periodof time to the biblical text
does not make these things square.
Also Please note, real science confirms what God's word says
about creation, that God made animals according to their kind.
So according to the Bible, God made things reproduce according
to their kind. So God made the dog kind roughly
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family level, and that means dogs make variations of cats,
cats, horses, horses, tons of variations.
So they say the same kind, right?
That's what we actually observe.And we don't see dogs changing
into cats or cats into cows or cows into wells, which is what
macroevolution requires. We don't see that.
And there's not even a mechanismto make it even possible because
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natural selection and mutations,which are real things in our
fallen world, they duplicate, shuffle, or lose existing
genetic information. They do not add it, right.
And so, yeah, you'll get tons ofvariations through a natural
selection of mutations within the dog kind.
But they'll always say dogs don't evolve in anything else.
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They'll stay within that particular kind.
And so real science confirms howwe have these restrictions.
Yes, it's variation, but dogs say dogs and cats, cats, that's
what we actually observe with girls science.
And then Oh my goodness, some ofthe other things I can talk
about, but really quickly there's so many anti scientific
ideas in evolution. Go back to the beginning of
evolution. What do they say?
They say, well, in the beginningnothing exploded.
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Like run that back, back again, right, right.
No, they'll push back and say wedon't mean nothing.
We mean there was something, butnothing.
They'll say maybe there was a a quantum fluctuation that brought
things into existence from a different area of existence into
our existence. Well, where did that stuff come
from? Where did the laws of nature
come from? Or maybe there's like, multiple
universes, and ours eventually popped out of one of those.
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OK. And I just added a bunch of
other universities. How do you explain?
Yeah, like, you're not helping. You're not helping yourself at
all. Ultimately, you're still saying
something from nothing, which isgoes against multiple laws of
science. You cannot get something from
nothing. Scientific just does not work.
But they say it happened, so they believe it by faith.
They've got a faith, right? And so that's the thing
exploded. It made everything.
Then you get this chaos of a rapid expanding universe that
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somehow organizes itself againstknown laws of science like the
second law of thermodynamics. Things don't organize
themselves, they get more deorganized over time.
Somehow everything organized itself in the galaxies and solar
systems and so forth. And then some of your things we
could talk about. But then somehow the Earth form
about four and a half billion years ago, and then light with 5
billion. And life came from non life
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roughly 4 1/2 billion years ago.3 point 5 billion years ago,
life came from not life, but life only comes from life.
That's a law on science. And then somehow life got more
complex on its own over time, again going against their laws
of science. And so there are literally so
many anti scientific ideas embedded in evolutionary
ideology. And so as a Christian #1 it's a
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rejection of God's word. It's contrary to that God's
word, trustworthy and truth. And also #2 why trust an idea
that's so anti scientific at itscore?
Now we trust God's ward, and real science will confirm it.
That's so good. And really what you're doing is
you're helping us think through some of these issues and not
just those issues, but how they then play out with the rest of
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Scripture and with our walk as followers of Jesus.
And man, this has been so fun. I could talk to you for hours.
I don't know anybody, but peoplemay not listen to us, but but I
could talk to you for hours. This has been so fun.
One of the things that that I really just want to encourage
the listeners to do during this conversation is just, you know,
hey, realize God's word is true.God's Word is authoritative, and
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if you start making compromises with any of it, then you're
taking that away. And so, you know, there's no
shame judgment. I've been there, you've been
there. We've struggled with all this.
But what we're really just encouraging you to do is to come
back to the Word of God to and you know what the Holy Spirit is
faithful to. If we approach the word of God
and we ask the Lord to help us, he will help us to understand.
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He will give us what we need from that Scripture.
It is his living Word. And it's the only book we'll
ever read where the author is sitting there reading it with
us. And I love that about it.
And I love the work you're doing.
Brother, can you tell my listeners how to get in touch
with you, how to learn more about you, how to enter into
your world? Yeah, absolutely.
So a few different ways, our website, answersingenesis.org,
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that's our website. There are, you know, I'm talking
a mile a minute, just done a whole bunch of stuff out there,
but we have lots of answers for free on our website, either
articles, long articles, short articles, tons of videos, all
free. Also, they go to YouTube.
They can go to YouTube and just look up answers in Genesis.
There's a YouTube page there, most of our presentations.
And just so the audience knows, we have a lot of speakers, a lot
of scientists. I'm more of a biblical worldview
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guy. I just translate for the layman,
my level, so we can understand these issues.
But there are PhD scientists andgenetics and geology, astronomy
home staff here who are incredible.
I think I told them all the time, they're good friends of
mine, brilliant. They love Christ, and they give
good answers from a biblical worldview.
If you want to dive in deep, that stuff's available.
The Answers in Genesis on YouTube, check out the videos
there. They can go to also if they want
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to support us dot TV is our own streaming platform.
So we have over I think now 7000videos on that platform, stuff
for everybody in the family. It's only 40 bucks for an annual
subscription, which is like 330 a month.
A lot better than Netflix, but safe for the entire family.
It's all God exalting got glorified.
There's entertaining stuff, there's educational stuff,
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there's all sorts of great stuffon answers.tv.
They can check that out. And then we have tons of
resources. Man, we got so many books and
whatnot, but my God's greatest. I've written three books.
First two were quick answers to tough questions and then quick
answers to social issues. And those two books I just give
very short, concise answers to the most popular questions.
So what about dinosaurs in the Bible, the age of the earth, who
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decane Mary, carbon 14 dating, radiometric dating, all those
questions in that first book, each answer less than 500 words.
Because I know that most of us say we don't read a whole lot.
It's just a different culture. And you know, I still try to
read. I have to read a lot, but most
people don't because it's not their job, right?
And so these are short answers, very concise.
And then social issues, issues of life, equality, sexuality,
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and environment. It's a biblical answers to
abortion, euthanasia, climate change, social justice,
transgenderism, all those sorts of things.
And let me encourage the audience.
We got lots of answers and they're not hard.
They're really not. They're not popular.
I get that. But we're not called a
popularity. We're called to be faithful to
the glory of God. And so the answers are there.
And then the last book I wrote just came out a few months ago
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called Woke Injustice, a biblical Response to critical
race theory and multiple reasonsI wrote that book, but God laid
it on my heart. And it just gives a fairly
concise rebuttal of CRT, which is rooted in Marxism.
It's a neo Marxist ideology. And for that one, I feel like a
lot of Christians have been duped in the last few years into
buying into bad Marxist ideas because the neo Marxists of our
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age, critical race theorists, they use words we like and are
familiar with. Words like justice.
Yeah. Racial reconciliation, words
like equity, diversity and inclusion, even new words that
sound really good, like anti racism, like how can that be
bad? Well, when you're saying what
they mean by it and the assumptions that underlie it,
you understand how it actually is bad ultimately.
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And so I really what I do is I pull back the curtain.
I say, here's what here's here are the words they use.
There's our words. We use them too, but they have a
different definition to those words.
Here's what they mean when they use justice.
Here's what they mean when they say equity.
And so I quote them. It's not me setting up straw
man. He quoting them.
This is what they actually say. Here's the biblical rebuttal to
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that. Here's what the Bible says about
that. And then of course, we depend on
God's word on every issue. And so kind of lays that
foundation. So those three books are
available on our website or theygot Amazon or newly for master
books. They're there as well.
Yeah, the website answersandjustice.org is a great
first stop. YouTube, tons of videos there.
And then because I'm on Facebook, then if I'm on
Facebook, just look up Brian Osborne.
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You'll find me there. And if I can help, I'd be glad
to answer any questions that I can.
You are a wealth of information.I appreciate the level at which
you present this because you're right.
You can go deep and then I'm biginto, hey, you can have the best
information in the world, but ifyou can't make it where people
can understand it, then what good is that?
And so really what you're training to do, what you're
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training guys to do, and what myheart is, is whenever you're
struggling with an issue, what to believe and what to think,
what does God's word say? Amen.
And that, I think, is a full circle moment.
That's where you trained in the in the public school system.
That's how you learn to do what you're doing today.
And that's good for each and everyone of us to do.
What does God's word say? His word is the ultimate guide.
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If we can learn that and we can apply that, man, we'd be, we'd
be so much better off. So thanks for the difference
that you're making in the world,brother.
Appreciate you being here with me.
It's been a joy. And it will happen to do this
again. Man this has been fun.
I would gladly do it. Yeah, It's been great.
Really has. Thanks, Brian.
Bless you, my friend. Take care.
See you guys. Thank you for listening to the
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