Revolutionizing Farming with Robotics and Regenerative Practices with Clint Brauer, Greenfield Robotics

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Join us for an enlightening excursion into the heart of Kansas, where third-generation farmer Clint Brauer and his team at Greenfield Robotics are changing the face of agriculture. Discover how Clint transitioned from a third-generation farmer to a tech career in Los Angeles and back to his farming roots, driven by a personal mission to counteract the long-term health impacts of farming chemicals. Listen (or watch) as Ellen delights in our first on-location podcast, the best field-trip ever! Through our candid conversation, you’ll learn about the transformative power of regenerative agriculture and the real-world benefits of grass-fed livestock and multi-species cover crops for soil health and animal nutrition.

Experience the future of farming with us as we showcase the cutting-edge, AI-powered robots from Greenfield Robotics. Clint walks us through the incredible precision of these small yet mighty machines, which navigate narrow crop rows and manage weeds without chemicals. With the added advantage of Starlink and 4G connectivity, these robots can operate seamlessly, even at night. Hear about the practicalities of running such advanced technology on the farm, from battery management to the cost-efficiency of developing new robotic attachments. 

But it’s not just about technology—it's about a personal journey and a broader vision. Clint shares how the challenges of his father’s health influenced his pivot back to farming, emphasizing sustainable practices that prioritize the microbiome and long-term soil health. We also delve into the broader implications of regenerative agriculture for human well-being and the hurdles faced in financing and scaling innovative solutions. This episode is a rich tapestry of personal anecdotes, revolutionary technology, and the promise of a healthier future for farming and food production.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
hey, now reverse mullet health care podcast.
What is this?
Justin, a special edition.
What up jay?
A bonus edition?
Hey, that's right so ellen's ona field trip today.
Um, she went out to kansasflying into wichita.
I'm not sure where in Kansasshe's going.

(00:24):
Do you know, Justin?
She's going to see GreenfieldRobotics.
I think is what it's called.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh, here they come.
Oh, my goodness, I think we got.
Oh, what is this?
We have no idea.
Is it grain?
I don't know.
Come here, is this grain?
Oh, ooh.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Hi guys.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Come here.
What is this?
Never had an apple.
So these are hare sheep.
They're grass fed.
The only time they've had grainis when I try to get them to do
something.
Wow, this is the wildest bunchI've ever had.
I started with 40 sheep, wentto 150 twice, we're down to
about 20-something right now,but they multiply pretty quick.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
So why exactly did I go to a farm?
Dave and Justin are wonderingwhy I was even there.
I don't even know if they knewthat I was going to go.
But the bottom line is it'sreally important.
When we talk about food asmedicine and we talk about food
as health, it's understandingregenerative agriculture and
what exactly it is.
It's about decreasing the useof fertilizers and decreasing
the use of pesticides on ourfoods.
But why and how?
Why is pretty obvious itincreases the nutritional

(01:33):
density and it decreases thechemical load on our bodies
whenever we intake the food.
But how do we do it?
How do we do something that'sbasically superpower for our
soil?
There's all differenttechniques, but I'm going to try
to break it down into some ofthe few and again, I'm no expert
.
I'm sure that any expertregenerative farmer is going to
have their own take on this, butI'm going to give you a few of

(01:55):
the important highlights.
So, first of all, techniqueslike no-till farming.
It leaves the soil undisturbedand it allows it to be healthy
and full of life.
Cover crops what is that?
Planting unique plants betweencrops.
So once you've harvested a crop, putting something different in
there to basically cover thesoil and protect it and add

(02:17):
nutrition.
It's composting, something wedo in our own gardens.
It's adding natural materialsto feed the soil, rotating crops
, switching up what you growbetween harvests, not growing
the same thing over and overagain.
It decreases the bugs that aregoing to come in, it increases
the roots, it increases thedensity and nutrition of the

(02:37):
soil and, finally, integratinganimals for biodiversity.
So, in summary, it's not justabout growing nutritionally
dense food.
It's also about healing ourplanet.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
That's just me.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
So, so.
So Greenfield um, she's meetinga guy named Clint and Clint
Bauer, I think and um, she'sgoing to interview him later.
We're going to interview him alittle bit later, but Justin and
I we're going to get up tospeed on what this is all about.
So, looking at their website,it says food comes first, not

(03:11):
tech, cell phones manufacturingor energy.
It's agriculture that's goingto see the most explosive growth
in the American economy fordecades to come.
Okay, and then it goes on tosay Greenfield Robotics.
They are AI-powered botanyfleet of robots are now swarming
fields across the country,based in Cheney, kansas.

(03:35):
But I want to know what theserobots look like.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
And if they're anything like or anywhere near,
I mean they've got to look likesomething that we've seen before
Not Tweaky from Buck Rogers orR2-D2, but maybe like WALL-E or
some kind of Mars rover.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
The reason we created these initial robots was to
solve a pretty basic problemWeeds have become resistant to
herbicides, and so then you haveto use more of those chemicals.
There's no resistance to ablade.
The process is pretty simple.
I am a farmer, so I designed itto work for farmers.
They let us know when theyplanted the crop.
We actually fly a drone.
We use that drone to basicallymap the field and then we come

(04:27):
in and we use machine vision, aialgorithms.
We're determining where therows are and, as the robots
going around, they're talking toeach other and deciding where
they're going to go.
The farmers don't have to evenbe there.
We don't even have to be there.
So we have weed cutting botsrunning through a field at a
high speed, trying not to cutthe crop.
We let them know when it's done.
We give them a report at theend of this, and we try to keep
it as simple as possible.

(04:48):
There's a lot of advantages torobots.
One is that they're small.
They're a lighter weight.
They're much easier to maintain.
They're much lower cost.
Anything on our robots can bereplaced in 15 minutes or less,
and that was my edict working onpoorly designed equipment
growing up and throwing mywrenches across the farm.
We build them ourselves righthere in Kansas.
The second thing is they canrun day or night.

(05:09):
Someone's going to have to worklong days and nights.
Is it a farmer out there ontheir tractor day and night, or
is it a robot?
Welcome to the Reverse MullenHealthcare Podcast with BP2
Health.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Welcome to the Reverse Mullen Health Care
Podcast with BP2 Health.
Today I am on a farm withrobots and shiny canes.
Yes, you are With Clint, ourowner and, I guess, founder,

(05:40):
founder, all right, I thinkfounder sounds like cooler.
Right Of Greenfield Robotics,which I can't wait.
Yeah, this is like one of thoseepisodes.
It's like Justin said, it'slike the Super Bowl.
This is a unique.
Yes, this is yeah, this is oneof the Allen Super Bowl
Christmas episodes.
So, but first, who are we andwhy did we name ourselves?
The Reverse Mullen HealthcarePodcast.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Justin.
Well, we want to be relevant,informative and creative.
We also want to be entertainingand have fun.
So it's party in the front andbusiness in the back, like a
mullet on the reverse.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
I feel like I'm getting tired of saying this at
the beginning of every episode.
I feel like we should recordsomething.
Well, dave, I think we shouldrecord something fancy that gets
plugged in, that we don't haveto do it every time.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Something fancy that gets plugged in that we don't
have to do it every time.
I think it's better this way.
I thought we can kind of makeit you like it to be live.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Okay, yes, we are your hosts.
I'm Dave Pavlik, justin Politi,ellen Brown.
We're passionate, yeah, we'repassionate, innovative and
collaborative.
We're committed to solving ourindustry's most important issues
along with our clients, and wehave a combined how many years?
90.
Which makes it sound super.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Makes us, yeah, let's just like click in, we really
do Really Combined.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
That is amazing, yes.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
And yes which makes us We've been doing it forever.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
In each episode we'll dig into a hot healthcare topic
and maybe dig into each other.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Be gentle with me, but we really want to spend a
lot of time digging into Ellen,especially today.
Yes, a lot of digging, so let'sstart right now.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
So, ellen, why on earth are you on a farm in
Kansas when we work inhealthcare?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
And did you meet the Tin man and the Kindly Lion?
I saw the witch.
The fearful lion.
You saw the witch.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
You are the witch, the fearful lion.
You saw the witch.
You are the witch Ellen.
Are you a good witch or a badwitch?

Speaker 4 (07:33):
My father would tell you that I am a good witch.
He loves the Wizard of Oz somuch that we went to the Wizard
of Oz Museum in Kansas.
During COVID we did a road tripwith my son.
It was kind of post-covid, likewe were allowed to be out again
, but we did a road trip and wewent to that museum and on my
wedding day my father had one ofthose, glenda.

(07:56):
You know how?
Glenda had the wand with starat the end.
You may not know this fact.
Sort of um, he literally hadthat wand and like gave it to me
to hold with my wedding dressbecause I had like a tool kind
of deal at the bottom.
That's how much the wizard waslike.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
This explains this explains a lot actually.
It's really like now.
Now the people are reallystarting to come together.
You know, between the rollerskating and now this, I was
terrified of the flying monkeys.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
I used to have nightmares about the flying
monkeys until I was like I don'tknow too late.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Hey, clint, clint, I have a serious question answer.
Tell me the truth how sick ofyou are.
Uh are, how sick of everyoneassociating kansas with the
wizard of oz argue at this pointin your life, yeah sorry, I
lived in la for 13 years, right,okay, it was a normal thing.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I'd go like, yeah, sure, sure, maybe not yeah, yeah
, let's, let's we'll talk aboutjayhawk in a little bit.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Let's that, that's a little more of mine, right.
All right.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
So back to your question.
Seriously, though, I amgenuinely and genuinely excited,
from both personal level toprofessional level, to be here.
You guys know how passionate Iam about food and health.
I was telling Clint I realizedthis morning that it was six
years ago that I first learnedabout kind of that brain gut

(09:26):
barrier, and I learned about theimpact that glyphosate and
chemicals really have on us.
I knew it, but that was anepiphany for me.
I listened to an episode on RichRoll of Zach Bush, and from
that moment it just reallyshifted my thinking, and it just
it always really upset me thatour industry was somehow so
bifurcated.
Healthcare was so bifurcatedfrom the reality of the fact

(09:47):
that we're trying to treat allthe stuff that starts in the
ground and yet we have such abroken system and it's
bankrupting us in many ways, andso I never thought I'd see the
day that I got to do this, andso I'm super excited, and so
normally I would introduce ourguest or Dave or Justin, but in

(10:08):
your case you just have a reallycool story about your family,
why you're here, why this farmis here, on a personal level,
and I could never give thatjustice.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
So I'd love it if you could jump in.
By the way, the microbiomestomach, so 25 years ago
actually, is where this reallystarted.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
I know it took me that long, so yeah, yeah,
doctors like take the on them.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, no, anyway.
So yeah, I mean one thanks forbeing here came a long ways to
sit here in a really dirtyfacility brace back memories of
my youth, so um, yeah.
So farming family, both sides,three generations, and I grew up
doing that and I did move away.

(10:52):
So when I was little I think bythe time I was eight years old
I was driving to California theharvest, and so he got through
that and I actually didn't wantto be in farming.
So I moved to LA, spent 13years there, but my dad came
down to Parkinson's.
I ended up moving back here andover time decided hey, I think

(11:15):
that's coming from some of thethings we're doing on the farms.
He was on farms all the time.
That's how it started.
I thought I was by farmchemicals.
One thing led to another overthe last 16 years and now I'm
sitting here with a bunch of thelaw robots.
So I'm talking about healthcare, but these things are
directly attached.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Can you share a little bit about some of the
things you did between the timeyou left farming and to the time
you came back, because I thinkit's really fascinating.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, it's interesting because I see a lot
of the parallels now.
I got into the internet earlyon in 1997.
And so you could see that itwas super duper early at that
point, right, like, websiteswere still like a big deal today
and that kind of stuff.

(12:05):
And so did that, ended upworking, becoming an executive
at Sony multiple times differentdivisions, sony Pictures, sony
Music, sony Corporate and sortof became a I would say back
then, a leading data scientiston how to do marketing, so
connected call centers withe-commerce systems, with the
latest things and differentthings, and so really pioneered
that launch, the Sony e-reader,which we should have won, but

(12:28):
Sony got in Sony's way and, ascompanies are prone to do, and
so Amazon won.
And so, yeah, I had a lot oftime doing startups.
So that was kind of what I didin LA and then, like I was
mentioning, I teamed back anddecided, you know, because of
teamed back, and decided youknow because of my dad, and
decided, hey, what can I do tosolve this problem?

(12:49):
Right, uh, with chemicals,right that are causing disease
and causing problems, it's justtoo much.
It's too much.
And I knew this stuff about themicrobiome in the soil and in
your gut, uh, be very similar,and so I knew enough to be
dangerous, and then, foolishly,thought I could do something
about it.
And, uh, and so set on thatcourse, and so I grew a hundred

(13:13):
different vegetables for 10years, my hand, wow.
So at one point I was tendingto my very first year out of the
gate because I I'm just nutstomatoes alone.
I had 1,400 tomato plants thatwas grown by themselves, and we
had 60 days over 100 degreesthat summer, and I thought
that'll never happen again.

(13:33):
And then we had the same thingthe next summer, and I was out
in it all day, every day, oh man.
And so, anyways, grew all thesedifferent things, distributed
what we grew into grocery stores, helped create a hydroponic
facility, employed one of thedisabled young folks and got

(13:54):
them deals into grocery stores,and did all that.
Anyways, after trying to do itorganically, I became a believer
in regenerative farming becauseof its ability to sequester
carbon.
A lot of organic farming istilled, and so it releases the
carbon into the atmosphere, andso I have concerns about climate
change, and so the issue withregenerative ag, though, is

(14:17):
chemicals.
So if you're not tilling, whatare you going to do?
So now you have to spray withchemicals.
So hence Greenfield.
I realized it wasn't scalablechemicals, the big equipment
that's out there, can't do thethings we do, so that's that's
how I got here.
You know, heck of a heck of athing that's.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
That's, that's really cool.
So when justin and I did alittle, did some prep today, we
um looked at some of thematerial, looked at some of your
watch, some of your videos.
Um, I was going to ask you andI think you you just answered it
there, but I I'm kind of slowso I need you to dumb it down
for me a little bit with the wewe I get, I get um what makes

(14:56):
food clean, but the regenerativepart regenerative part I'm a
little hazy on yep, yep, andthere's a lot of different ways
that people practice it.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
But I think when we talk about agriculture, broad
acre agriculture, what does thatmean?
That means 250 million acres inthe united states, right, so
just to give you a comparison,when we talk about, like,
growing lettuce in the unitedstates outdoors, and tens of
thousands of acres, and so we,we were obviously going to work

(15:27):
with those traps as well, um,but right now we've been doing a
lot of broad acre.
A lot of chemicals, especiallyherbicides, are very common, and
so, um, what broad acre yeah,so broad acre means big fields,
okay, basically, and just hugeacres, 90 million soybeans, coal
market, and so what we're doinghere is, um, we were focused on

(15:50):
that, and so regenerative ag inthe broad acre setting means
you're not tilling, okay,actually.
Second thing is uh, a lot ofcrop rotation nice, so he's not
calling, you know injecting someother things.
I I normally just somewherebetween five and 10.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
And why is that important?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, if you raise the same crop every year, the
bugs will find you, disease willfind you, the soil gets
depleted and you know it's justlike why don't you eat broccoli
and only broccoli?
Right, it's really healthy.
Now it just doesn't work likethat way for us or for nature,
and so you have to rotate what'sgoing on.
So if you walk out in a pasturethat's just sort of been the

(16:32):
way it's always been you'regoing to see 30, 50, whatever
species, things naturallygrowing, because it's balancing
out, just like when we eat, awide variety of things.
Yeah, under off, yeah, yeah.
So that's the first thing,no-till.
Second thing is grow a lot ofdifferent crops.
And the third thing is you growwhat's called cover crops.
When you're not growingsomething that you're going to
put in a grain bin, or lichens,whatever, um, you grow something

(16:54):
called a cover crop, and sowhat that's doing is you'll put
anywhere from 1 to 20 species inthere and those are growing and
they're helping feed the soilmicrobes turning it from dirt to
soil.
That's right.
Yeah, so, uh, and so this isjust a whole process.
And, at the end of the day,what are you doing?
Basically, regenerative agsaying this we're not going to

(17:18):
give synthetic chemicals to theplants to feed them, we're going
to let the soil microbes feedthem and we're going to feed the
soil microbes.
That's what you do.
That's the big difference.
And so all these techniques dothat right yeah, so I don't, I
don't think you're crazy anymoreabout my desire to eat the way
I eat.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Oh, let's not, we still think you're crazy.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Let's not that's not even close.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Let's not go that flat yeah, this doesn't this
isn't a get out of jail freetime no, is there any old things
to talk?
About here.
Oh man, uh, we could clint.
We could spend three years justtalking about ellen's uh random
food habits of you know, it'sjust random times like random.
A whole new episode like randomcravings, and yeah, it's's a

(18:03):
whole episode on this.
Yes, it is.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Anyone who spends more than like a few days with
me will tell you that they'veheard me talk about sauerkraut
way too much.
Since I was Fermentation.
You know and.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, huge sauerkraut .

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Sam.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
All right fine, so I don't get out of jail free.
So I tried.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
No, no, no, but you're getting some street cred,
I mean a little bit.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, we won't lead on too much onto that, because
we can't let it go to your head.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
All right, all right, that's fair, this is true.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
No, so we jumped into this, but I actually want to
step back and just I really wantto get to know, or have you?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
tell our listeners a little bit more about yourself.
So, um, can you tell ussomething that might be a little
unexpected about you, you know,for our listeners?
Yeah, um, I think that, um, onething I didn't expect to do,
but I took a boxing uh in my 20skind of late time to do it.
Uh, now, I didn't, I didn'tfight professionally.
Um, I have pretty bad eyes, sothis is trying not to get it too
many times in the head, andwhen we say boxing I'm more of a
like same here somebody gets meand I'm just going crazy.

(19:13):
You know that guy, but right Idon't even like oh, I'm not sure
.
I don't care, I'm just flailing,but um, but I did.
Uh, I did.
Yeah, I did train under a heckof a trainer a lot better and I
got really good shape, althoughI will tell you this, uh, I was
actually in better shape when Iwas raising all those vegetables

(19:33):
than when I was training boxing, for you know, three, four days
and I, you know, could do 20rounds 30 seconds off, right and
at peak, and it was actuallyharder raising vegetables, yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
My husband would love .

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Ties it back to vegetables.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
My husband loves nothing more than manual labor,
Like he is an attorney, but heis so happy when he's.
He's like have this whole sideproject in our yard right now
and he's in heaven.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, I mean honestly , I'm not raising very much now
and I'm certainly not raisingthings well Since I started the
robot thing.
The garden is super patheticand it's just discouraging.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Don't cut.
We've got to cut this part out.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
We don't oh okay.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
So Justin.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I'm sure You've got that farm strength so that's
good, and then I'm sure, so,justin, you've got that farm
strength.
So that's good, I did.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
And then I started robotics Technology, See I know,
but I also realized that I saidsomething a little offensive at
the beginning because Iinitially thought you were a
Jayhawk, but then I went throughagain I realized you're a
wildcat, yeah.
So can you tell me about yourfootball, your passion for
football?
I mean, I'm a huge basketballfan, that's where I went, so

(20:48):
anyway, but can you share alittle bit more about your
football obsession?

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, I mean, if we're going to talk about teams
that don't cheat like mine,K-State.
Oh, that place is on actualmoral code.
That's Kansas State andUniversity.
We wear the purple and, yes, wewere led by the great Bill

(21:14):
Snyder, one of the greatestcoaches ever, which inspired me,
by the way to.
He took a team that hadn't wona game, I think in several years
everyone wanted to give him ajob.
He went to the worst program incollege football history, 1989.
So I'm telling you this becausethis is a huge problem we're
all trying to solve, but one ofthe ways I had confidence that

(21:34):
you could solve anything waswatching Bill Snyder come into
the worst program in history and10 years later he number one
ranked.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Well, I think part of what you just said was 10 years
later, and I think that's half.
Our problem in health care isthat those that are willing to
invest, they don't realize thetime it takes to truly nurture
something that's right andincrease something legit.
So, um, we seem the same thing.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah absolutely, so yeah, absolutely
all right.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
So my last question is I have a huge travel bug and
I also love to hike.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Hold on a second Hold on Time.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Oh, did you want to go to the footnote?

Speaker 1 (22:13):
No, no, no, no, it just it.
Every guest we have.
Oh, thank you, so do I, so youcan talk about all this.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
That's not my fault, it's not.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's not my fault, it's not.
It's not my fault, but I thinkyou're, I think you're, I think
you're looking for guests withtravel.
No, I am not this must be aquality.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
Well, there is an ulterior motive all right, I'm
attracted to, but yes, I I willallow it, so maybe don't give me
such a hard time dave, when Itravel, see, maybe see, it's
like more of a thing.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Well, I was surprised when you're like I'm just gonna
come out there and shoot this.
Don't give me such a hard time,dave.
When I travel, see, maybe it'smore of a thing people love.
Well, I'm surprised when you'relike I'm just going to come out
there and shoot this.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Oh, I am here, man.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
No, no, no, Clint, this is not travel.
Sorry, sorry, no offense.
No, this is a day trip.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
She'll be there and back.
It's a day trip.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
I'm not going back, it's just in my own defense, so
tell us.
I'm not going back untiltomorrow.
I'm here for the night.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Oh yes, I know it's still a day trip.
You're on the ground for 12hours.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
Dave was pretty appalled this morning when he
realized I was still at my house.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
I was like what if the plane's delayed?
Uh-oh, Oops, Got delayed didn'tit?

Speaker 4 (23:25):
I know?

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Anyway.
So tell us We've traveled, likewhere have you been?
Where do you want to go?
What do you like to do?

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Oh man, I mean, I love to travel.
My favorite places in the US isFlorida, anyway, all right.
Where in.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
Florida, near Tampa.
So, justin, you have a place.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
All right, I get on that one.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
I have a place?
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
You said Longboat Key right.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Did you say Longboat?

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Key.
Oh my gosh, I thought he saidLongboat Key.
I do not want to, I did, butI'm trying not to share that.
Because it's going to be likemysterious.
Oh, where do you go?
Tampa, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
We're at around that area.
I've actually been to LongboatKey.
I tell everybody I meet youshould go to Longboat Key.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
It was 10 years ago, but I can't recommend it anymore
.
I know I get it.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
It's really just frustrating.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
It's so crowded.
Now it's gone, so Justin livesin Sarasota, gangs and such.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
And my head, and I firmly believe that Siesta.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Creek Beach.
You don't want to go out atnight in Longboat Key.
No, no no.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Or the day.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
That New Pass area is very dangerous.
It's no, yes, stay away, stayaway.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
How about internationally Any place?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
You know, I spent a fair amount of time in Europe
just one trip, and I'd donepretty well when I was young and
so I went, and I think myfavorite place is Interlochen,
switzerland.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
Really, what about it ?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
This is gorgeous.
I mean, when you go up thewhatever that canyon is and
you've got waterfalls, you'relike what Is this?
Like this, what is it, someone?
It's like a technicolor, right,how can this be real?
Plus, you're riding a scooter,nobody else is on a car, that's
just great.
And rode up where the cattleand cowbells.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Oh, so, yeah, so yeah .
See, I always have to tell atravel story.
You'll love this.
So we went to see the tourfrance in person, and I can't
take us to paris to do that.
We have to go somewhere remotewhere you're going to see a
climb and you're going to see itdescend, and so it's like a
whole challenge for me to likefind some obscure place where we
could rent a little airbnb andlike walk down to see.
It's like yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, there wasn't even a town,

(25:41):
so we rented this little house.
I'll never forget it.
We're standing out on the porchand my husband was like, listen
to the church bells we hadthere at night.
And he's like, do you hear allthose church bells?
I'm like I wonder if there'slike something that's going to
happen.
And then, all of a sudden, Isaid no, those are cows.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
It's Sunday, people are going to church.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
I was like those are cowbells, those are cows.
And then in the morning we wereeating breakfast and all of a
sudden my mom jumps up and shegoes running out.
She's like there's cows,there's cows.
And the neighbor was walkingthe cows down the street in
front of the house.
He takes them for walks tograze them, oh sure, and they
were dairy cows for cheese andit was like a huge cheese area

(26:23):
rotation grazing yes, it was itwas, yeah, regenerative cows.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
We actually built robots that moved sheep around
do you rotational?

Speaker 4 (26:31):
by the way, I get to see the sheep and I get to see
the robots in action, but I willnot be riding the robot so why
don't you introduce your robotsbehind you?

Speaker 1 (26:41):
I mean, what?
Those are them right?
Yeah are they.
Are they named?

Speaker 2 (26:49):
uh, it's a terrible.
We just call them.
We bought.
No, but listen, I tried to name.
The first few years I had aname for every robot we made I
figured that would be.
Yeah, that's where my marketingguy and the engineers made me
stop.
Now they just have numbers.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Oh, do you like cattle?

Speaker 2 (27:06):
okay, well, yeah it's like oh, this is 24.
Oh, that tells a great story,thanks and they won't want to,
you know because I had themnamed after ex-presidents and
you know, yeah, depending on theproblems they were exhibiting.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
This will be immortalized.
Everyone will know that you didthat.
Yeah, yes, I think they're verycool, okay.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
So, glenn, um, we're going to ask you the question
that we ask all our guests whatdo you think can affect real
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Speaker 1 (28:23):
Okay, Clint, back to you.
What do you think can affectreal change in healthcare?

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, I think you know from a perspective what I
can affect real change inhealthcare.
Yeah, I think, uh, you knowfrom a perspective, what I can
affect um, is to one, get thechemicals out of your food.
Right, it's, it's creatinginflammation, and that there's
like a few ways we do that.
Herbicides get rid of those.
That's what these bots dopretty well.
Right now.
You don't get rid of all of them, but the next one is coming out
next year, all of them.

(28:51):
And then you got theinsecticides, you get the
fungicides, and those thingsstart getting taken care of by
when you have regenerativepractices, which is what our
robots are designed to help with, right, and so the healthier
the plants, the healthier themicrobiome, you get rid of those
things.
So that's that's it.
We get rid of those chemicals.
But we also since I was more onthis kind of stuff and I have

(29:11):
have an investment for Chippewais we are, you know, we're
looking into can we startworking with specialty crops as
well, you know, in Californiaand Oregon and stuff like that.
So to me, that's my role, andso if we get those chemicals
down and we help people buildthe soil, you naturally end up
with much more nutrient densefood and it tastes better so

(29:34):
that.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
So that was um one of the questions that we had when
we were watching the videosearlier, justin and I, when we
were prepping um the, the pestsand the pesticides.
So I think I get it now.
The regenerative piece of itwith the soil causes these pests

(29:55):
to to leave, is that is that?
I mean, I'm sure it's morecomplicated than that, but
they're basically they don'tknow what crop's going to be
there.
They disappear.
Some different crop, yeah, yeahlike I'm.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
I was thinking like you know, I've had this I have
to spray neem oil on my uh lemontree, right, in order for it to
like.
But so in my mind I'm trying tothink of, right, how do the
robots address kind of thatissue?
So, but it sounds like todave's point.
It's, it's the soil, that's youknow, that's helping that, or
it's the process.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, so, uh, the better your soil is, um, the
higher the bricks level becomesif you're plant, and the higher
the bricks level, the sugarlevels.
Um, what they're saying now isyou can get above 11 and 13 on
your bricks level.
You actually, insects can't eat, can't eat it.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Yeah, it makes them sick funny, funny, isn't it how
this the same thing would applyto humans, isn't it?
But yet we don't talk aboutthat like crazy like you
literally you guys, your, yourmind was blown when we did that
episode with carter and he wasexplaining that some produce is
not nutritionally dense in hisface and nutritionally void, and
you guys were like what so?

Speaker 2 (31:02):
yeah, that set off a panic, something up.
So, yeah, yeah, when I was likeI wouldn't do the eating zaps,
and there was, oh, david justin,so actually yeah, rabbit holes.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, yeah I.
I crawled up into a corner andwas in the fetal position,
because I'm like now I can'ttrust anything and I have no
idea what.
So I think I might have beenbetter off.
But that's just me.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I'm like I'm going back to something, so I don't
know what else to do.
Yeah, it's depressing so, uh,listen, no, I I basically I'm
not saying that, oh, if you farmregeneratively, you do all
these things just right, likeall problems go away and you'll
never need to apply the oil andyou'll never need to do these

(31:43):
things.
Of course not, um, but you canmake a lot of progress and
reduce it, and I've seen it hereon my farm and and I you know,
and there's certainly guys thatare practitioners of that, guys
like john k that are teachingpeople how to do that.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
So let's Hold on.
That's okay.
You just said on my farm.
So you use these robots on yourown farm as well as use them
for other farmers?
Yeah, is that right?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Okay, oh yeah.
Nothing that we do isn't testedon my phone first ever and I'm
at the farm yep, yeah, helen'sat the farm, I'm not secret r&d
facility.
Yeah, I know.
Okay, that's great.
Yeah, no, it's uh.
Yeah, we test everything hereand and that is honestly, we've

(32:32):
never had a market problem interms of farmers.
When you work with us isbecause I'm a farmer and so
everything I do yeah, that'sgreat.
I understand.
I say, hey, this is the waythis works, this way working
operation, and then I never makea crazy ask because farming is
about risk management currently.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Yeah, yeah so so, man , I going to ask a question
about chemicals.
I think a lot of folks and Iappreciate you going way back on
this, but I it's reallyimportant that this is a concept
that is not real prevalent inhealthcare, and I'm sure there
are going to be plenty of peoplethat listen to this episode
that know some of this, but I'mI am really hopeful that we can

(33:10):
bring education to a lot ofpeople that don't.
So let's talk for a minuteabout chemicals.
You know I mentioned glyphosate.
I mentioned that piece.
I don't think a lot of peopleunderstand A what glyphosate is.
I was in a word that theyprobably couldn't spell or say,
but what it is, the names thatpeople will recognize with it
and what it does to, not just tous, but also to the dirt, the

(33:33):
earth, that kind of thing.
If you don't know, now, thisisn't I have to.
Ok, this is my warning.
If you don't want to end uplike Justin in the fetal
position, scared of what you'reeating, then you should fast
forward this.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Go on.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
Fast forward to this section, but hang on.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
But hang on, tune into another channel for a
little while g-l-y-p-h-o-s-a-t-eyeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Okay, so clint yeah, and I think let me start this
off with saying there, there arehosts to chemicals out there.
Yeah, right, and glyphosate umis the one we all talk about
probably the most, because it'sthe most prevalent, and there
are certainly ones that if youingested would straight up kill
you on the spot and that aresprayed on fields which is just

(34:23):
terrifying yikes.
So glyphosate is probably notone of those.
Okay, he would.
Obviously we understand what Ihave to call in term.
And it wasn't.
Um, what happened withglyphosate was someone developed
it.
They actually won, I believe,in the week prize, yep, and it's
actually got.
It's also registered as ananimal, yeah, which is just
crazy, oh, wow.

(34:45):
And so what it does is it's asystemic herbicide.
You spray it on something and itgoes into the plant, goes down
to the rigs, so it would killpretty much all weeds, right,
and so it was very effectivetool and that's what allowed no
till farming to come into be.
And so the interesting thingabout it is, when we talk about

(35:05):
carbon and we have theseconcerns and I know that's not
what we're talking about heretoday no till farming,
regenerative ag, can solve thecarbon problem, in my opinion.
And so if we didn't have no-tillfarming, if we hadn't had
glyphosate, we wouldn't be goingright.
But then there's all thesenegatives, because now we're
just spraying it all the time,and glyphosate is one of maybe
five to 10 different chemicalsyou need to spray in your

(35:27):
concoction it's just the mostprevalent and frankly, frankly,
this barely works right, and sofriends of mine were like we
need to ban it.
I'm like, well, the ones behindit works, and so what we're
doing?
So the the goal with creamfieldis, of course, to eliminate the
needs using nature to be ofthese type of things, but
glyphosate, um, it's gotten tothe point prevalence that their

(35:50):
organic farms have found.
If there are someone's tellingme the other day that they got
something 18 foot in the air andcapturing rainwater and there's
life-saving rainwater and italso doesn't come out of the
soil like it is.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
It will be in our earth and soil basically for
eternity.
We, we don't, I mean I wouldsay I don't think so I don't, I
don't think so.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
I think nature reco't say turn it.
I don't think so, I don't thinkso.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
I think nature recovers, it's just a matter of
if nature just outlasts us.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
We can recover.
Yeah, I think it'll be okay onthat front.
I really do.
Nature finds a way to deal withit and we'll get there.
So I don't think we've lostsome terrestrial we can't go
back from.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
But it's an awful lot .
Well, it's interesting becauseI mean I I mentioned zach and I
mean you know he has this, thisreally matter of fact, you know,
sort of laissez-faire attitudewhere he's like we're getting
really close to the tippingpoint where we might we might
not be able to go back, uh, interms of what the destination we
are doing to our earth, um andand.
But what's what's great aboutit is it's like hey, if we're

(36:54):
there and now is our chance, andand I have to say I was pretty
destitute about it.
And then, once I got into thisgroup with carter and this, this
farm tank group, I'm like, hey,man, there's, there's some
really good stuff happening.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
It's not all destitution no, that's a great
group and I think and that's howwe met.
But the uh regenerative agmovement is amazing and it gives
me a lot of reason for helping.
So and again, we build robotsto make that scale without
clinics Right, and so a lot ofother problems get solved by
regenerative ag makes a massivechange and you can watch nature

(37:27):
heal itself very quickly.
You know, I'm not saying youcan get rid of life's thing all
the rest of the day, but yeah,it's just which.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
And then not.
I think what's really importantfor the those people on the
health care side that arelistening and the business side,
is then we actually start toheal people.
Yes, because if as a societywe're we're not at large,
ingesting, you know, live food,right, because it's not life,
but the whole foods that we eatare on the edges of the grocery

(37:54):
store.
They're not the processed thing.
So, and those are the thingsthat are our bio, our microbiome
, our gut, our bodies need themost, because there's so much
kind of dead, ultra processedfood out there that when that
supply gets restored right, thenthat really changes the game in
terms of people's health.
To your point, you brought upinflammation.
I mean, when we talk aboutcardiometabolic disease, when we

(38:16):
talk about cancer, so many ofall the cognitive decline that
you know, diseases that wetalked about, I mean almost
every single one of them pointsback to inflammation and this
chronic inflammation, obesity,um, insulin resistance, all of
it.
I know I'm jumbling a lot ofthings together, but it all
points back to inflammation,chronic inflammation, and uh,
and yet again, all we're doingis mainly and a lot of this is

(38:38):
because of people, but we'rejust prescribing pills, and so
to talk about the food sourcethat could really heal people
just from the ground up,literally, you know is is pretty
cool.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
So and you know, I think it's very important to
call this out right the, thecompanies that make these
chemicals, people that go towork there, mean well, and
they're wanting to make sure weraise enough food and yeah, and
it's coming from a good place,right, and so it's just too much
and so it's time to have thatchange.
And I think everyone agreeswith that and I think most
people that are doing that agree.
You know, in that world too,yeah, yeah, so I think the

(39:10):
timing's good.
You know, 20 years ago, no onewould agree with that state.
Uh, when I started on thisjourney 15 years ago here in
cheney kansas, basically peoplewere like thought I was nuts,
I'm sure, and uh, and then aboutfive years into it, like I'd go
to the grocery store and littleold ladies would like come up
to me and be like I'm reallyglad you're doing what you're

(39:31):
doing, and I'm like, okay, Idon't know why you're whispering
, but you know.
And then yeah, and yeah, rightand so, and now it's just,
people are like every, everyfarmer we talked to, uh,
literally out of 80 we talked toearlier this year, 72 said yeah
, we'd like to do rain, it'shappening.
I've been to work with, sincebecause they're starting to

(39:52):
realize there's something thatharkinson's and I'm not saying
glyphosate houses parkinson's,there are other ones that don't
help, and so, um, you know,everyone's seeing the problem.
Now it's coming home to us,right?

Speaker 4 (40:03):
a friend of mine growing up.
Yeah, I grew up in a in florida, but I grew up in central
florida um, surrounded by fernsand ferneries, ferneries.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
I thought you said infirmary.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I thought I'd done a lot of things, but I've never
heard of a fernary.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
When you buy flowers.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Is it where they grow ferns?

Speaker 4 (40:23):
Yeah, no, we're not talking about no crop?
Probably Tell us about thefernary.
I've never heard of a fernary.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Really, I'm going to hand on this but, tell us about
the when you buy.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
I've never heard of a fern.
You really this is.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
I'm so proud of myself that I brought new
knowledge to all of you today inthe agricultural world.
So when you buy a flowerarrangement, there's fern pieces
.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, no, I've seen you know it's like kind of the
basis, yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
And so I grew up in a part of Florida where ferns
grew well now, with a lot ofwater, but you know, still you
had ferns.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
So there's a whole fernary industry that produces
the ferns for the flower placesthat stick a flat end out of the
flower, yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
And I lived really close to fernaries and then also
citrus crops.
So there were a lot of familiesin my town that they were.
You know, they basicallysurvived on fern and on citrus
and her father died of ametastasized cancer, but just a

(41:24):
really aggressive, and he wassuper healthy person and it's
very obvious that it had to dowith chemical exposure.
He was always out on the land,always around and I mean ferns
are a very chemically intensivecrop if you call it a crop Sure,
so yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Well, it's crazy how, throughout the whole country,
everywhere, that you're dealingwith cancer clusters as a result
of these chemicals, yep, right,and for how long afterwards too
?
You mean, like the farm goesaway and then you put a house
there and you're still dealingwith these chemicals, like years
and years later.
So you know, I guess I'm goingto move us, because I'm going to

(42:05):
go back to my concerns, so I'mnot again in a fetal position.
You know obsessing about things, but tell me something positive
around how we improve nutrientdensity, right, like I mean at
scale.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yeah, yeah, listen, I mean few things you know.
Fewer chemicals you use, thebetter the microbes microbial
community is going to rebuilditself in the soil over time.
There are some ways, somethings you can apply to sort of
jump start that a little bitfaster.
And this is nothing new guyshave been doing a long time.
It's just on the edge ofbecoming mainstream.
You know, I don't know whenthat part comes across that, but

(42:41):
it's far more.
And so when you do that, youreduce the chemicals.
So that's one.
And, of course, when you're nottilling, um, you're not sort of
destroying the soil structurethat allows that to happen.
Right where you have some sortof you know, the, you're not
taking the wrecking ball throughhousing development, right,
gotcha, you want those microbesto kind of be able to cling to

(43:03):
the roots.
You want to cling to or be nextto, to serve the other microbes
and so um.
So these are the ways, and soregenerative ag does all these
things.
When and when you get rid ofthe chemical, you create the
conditions where they theythrive, much like eating
sauerkraut and all the differentthings that you can eat to
create that in your own stomach,right In your own digestive

(43:27):
system, and so it's literallyvery similar, right.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
It's a, a it's another.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
It is the natural form of a pill yeah, yeah, and,
like I said, when I was 25, Ihad some stomach issues and I
was super stressed and had astartup then and and wasn't
handling it very well and, um,I'm still going, but uh, um but,
that's history.

(43:56):
But uh, you know, and the doctorwas like I would take this pill
and take that.
Now I'm not yep.
And that's when I startedresearching and I actually got
co-founder to come.
It's great.
And now I was like you know,and I grew up eating kind of
balanced meals and stuff likethat.
My parents were great, we wasin a garden, you know our own
cast at times and stuff likethat.
But uh, it really.
That was when I it becameobvious to me and I saw I went

(44:19):
to a restaurant.
I am in San Francisco, I'mstill at Nyman Ranch and they're
telling me the story aboutNyman Ranch.
This was a fairly new thing tome back then and I'm like it's
25 years ago and I'm like youknow, we'll farm.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Maybe someday I'll give you something right, here
we are, yeah, yeah so.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
So maybe, maybe just sort of for a punch line, if you
could sort of contrast that oldway of farming, original
farming, compared to whatgreenfield does and how
greenfield fits into it yeah,yeah, um, the way farming has
been done for a long time, umwas we tilled the soil, we took

(44:58):
it, we rifted up, we turned itover, we did all these things
right and we would use somechemicals after we planted it.
And you and the greenrevolution was about that we
could drive down costs bysupplying nitrogen using a
favorite bosh method.
So we would take and we wouldstart putting chemical
fertilizers to feed those crops.
Okay, and so the microbes gotreplaced with chemicals to no

(45:21):
longer have a job now.
So we would replace it withmind bangs or synthetics.
Yeah, and yeah, you can growamazing working plants.
You may have disease problems,you may have.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah so I like the miracle grow.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah, okay, I don't, I don't, you know, I'll never
use that one, but uh, it's um,it's so.
That's what happened and ofcourse it looked great.
Yields shot out, everythingwent great.
So we were in a world at thatpoint that, uh and I think
carter is more of an expert onthis, but it's um, you know, we
were worried about calories andfeeding people, right, and we

(45:57):
were worried about peoplestarving and that kind of stuff.
That's where we came from.
Well, we don't have a problem,and if we do, it's purely
political problem.
And so now we're like, okay,but we lost all the quality.
So we have tons of quantity,not quality, and the
regenerative movement's aboutdoesn't cost you more and over
time it costs you less.
Actually, as a farmer, to dothis.
You get all the bad things outand you up the quality right and

(46:19):
you work with nature to harnessthe microbial systems, cover
crops, all the things I'vetalked about, reintegrating
animals into your cropland, andyou end up with a superior
product.
Um, given not like a ton oftime, I mean, you start seeing
progress pretty quick, and soyou know it never ends Right.
It's like everything else.

(46:39):
You keep improving and learningand going backwards and
forwards to it, and that's thedifference.
Again, we're not takingsomething that we created as
humans to feed plants.
We're harnessing the microbesin the soil, letting them feed
themselves or recolonize to feedthe plants.

(47:01):
Now we may do some things tohelp that happen again, but that
is the fundamental differenceis you're saying I'm going to
let nature take its course, I'mgoing to, as a farmer, obviously
you can't grow crops just goingwell, we'll see what comes up
and try to harvest it.
You still have to have a plan.
You still have to, hence yourrobot, right, so you still have

(47:21):
concept of weeds, you still haveall these things, and so these
robots make that work reallymore efficiently, and so that's
a good yeah, no till in theworld.
There, literally, is no one likeus yeah, so there's a good
segue and dave and justin haveso much.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
See, I was on a plane and and the two of them, like
they had all saying so, withthat as a segue, let's go on
ahead and let's cue the robots.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Let's see what.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Let's see them in action yeah, so, um, earlier
today, justin and I uh watchedthese, watched some of the
videos and recorded our reaction, so I'll have clint walk us
through what's going on here.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Cool thanks there you go.
Yeah, so these are, uh, robots.
Basically, in this case, it'snot food, it's cotton, and so
we're running at night and we'recutting weeds.
Between the thought, in thisfield we actually saved they
were going to have real issueseven harvesting.
You could see the white cottonthere at the end, and so this

(48:20):
was an interesting field,because we actually used the
cotton bowls, created somealgorithms literally our CTO
overnight to figure out wherethe plants were, to make sure we
didn't hit them, and we ran itthe next at nine.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
So is there like an air traffic controller that's
looking at everything, likelooking at everything to make
sure, like I saw the drone?

Speaker 1 (48:41):
We saw the drone.
We saw video of a drone.
So is the drone up there whilethey're working or is it a pre?
No, that'd be really cool.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
But no, we do use drones to sort of map the field
right or do some of that andthen use machine vision from
there and a lot of stuff.
But the way those robots arebeing, they're basically just
being monitored and no one'sthere anymore.
That video is from last year.
This year nobody's there.
So we literally have this yearwe have interns 16 to 18 years

(49:10):
old that are keeping an eye onthey're babysitting yeah these
are they like they're like theroombo vacuum you know you turn
it on and they know where to go.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
And they go out and within two centimeters do do
roomists know where to go?
Because, that's not been likemy parents, just they know what
they're doing.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
They don't get the things and understand it.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
They don't get the things.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Oh, there's so much you don't understand around
algorithms and now I'm like, youknow what I make robots and I
have a pretty good understandingof these.
I think they're supposed tolearn.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Yeah, they don't learn so well.
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
They're not real good , but no, it's pretty
interesting.
I mean, they're able tobasically keep an eye on
themselves.
And of course I told theseyoung interns like we're going
to try to make you an ATAGrepairman by the end of this
year.
You know where, we don't evenneed you.
And of course they don't tellthem the tag I'm old and I just
walk away defeated most of thetime.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
But it's so, that's you know but yeah, I mean
they're getting it's coming on.
So tell us what the robot Imean.
What does that do?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
on the field.
So when we started it, webasically have this theory.
You have this chemicalresistance right To I was
mentioned.
Yeah, used to be killedeverything.
Now it does, and you're usingmore and more chemicals, and
what happens is they fail.
And so there's a weed called apigweed.
It gets over a foot tall.
There's nothing you can kill itwith that won't kill the top as
well, and so even with GMOs.

(50:40):
And so we said all right, let'ssolve that problem first.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Which is crazy, Like let's solve a problem that
nobody's been able to solve.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Right and I called my buddies PhD but just cut it.
What happens?
No one knew.
You know, he's brilliant, andso I, for two years I'm hiring
people.
You know, at this point peoplehave watched me growing
vegetables and being out inthese hundred degree heats and
then they're like this guy'snuts.
So, and then you know, so I'mout there cutting weeds in the

(51:07):
middle I see they'll be on,mowing them over, letting them
grow on purpose, and uh, and Irealized, yeah, you cut them and
they do come back, but onlyonce or twice, really.
Yeah, and so, and now we don'tlike haircuts and now we've run
thousands of acres.
Yeah, well, the deal is, if you, if you cut over 50 the leaves
off, the the whole thing's sortof closed and that's done right,

(51:29):
it's like mowing your lawn toolow.
Yeah, yeah, it'll come back.
It takes a scalpel, yeah, yep,yeah, so, uh, so we did that.
Now we run thousands of acres,and so that's the first thing we
did Is mouth Cut, ns Cut.
Yeah, we're on the lens.
Sorry, see, there's a difference.
Yeah, so now we're in betweenthese things and we have

(51:51):
spinning blades and we can runwith a really high precision
like no one else would gotcha,because if you're off, we cut
the crop we're trying to protect.
Exactly the other thing we cando is we have tanks, water tanks
on them, so we can run alongand say, hey, I want to add sea
kelp, I love sea kelp on myvegetables.
You'll spray it, um, just doesa lot of wonderful things, and
so you can run along and justspray the crop and not anything

(52:13):
else.
So you're reducing your waterby at least half of a big spray
rig and these are electric,right?
Yeah, yep, so big spray rigbecause it has to use so much
water, you have to use so muchnutrient or chemical or anything
.
So just on that basis alone,just because you're small and we
only touch the thing we want totouch, we actually win and
remember the small, very simple.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
Those of you listening remember it's a small
statue machine, so it's 24inches wide yeah, so, um, so
that's the next thing.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Now we have something in development where we can
sense.
We hope we'll find out.
We've been told this works.
We can sense the plant as we goby what needs the nutrients it
needs, which is no, we haven'tproven it, but we're testing it.
Yeah, now that's like mindblown yeah, so we'll see.
We're still.
We're still training the model,but apparently it's been run on
canvas for two years.

(53:01):
We didn't do this, yeah I can'tthink who's doing it and uh and
so yeah.
So justin, there's so much goingon right now right so yeah, so
then we could say okay, onerobot says what do we need, and
then the next robot goes here,it is it's remarkable, like it's
, it's literally.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
It's like I think of that movie, wally, which was so
disturbing and yet here we are.
But but it was just.
You know there was a lot aboutit that was you could be
disturbed by.
But what's so great is that,like you've created the wally of
it's fixing, it brought itstoes to the society.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
It's like seeing its own demise I was gonna say, I
mean, is it gonna be too lateand end up, yeah, anyways, yeah
so so this is, this isoutstanding yeah, okay, and, by
the way, we have a new machinecoming next year.
It's been testing four years.
Um, that will.
Right now, we don't eliminateall the herbicides for you, we
don't, okay.
Um, but that's coming, that'scoming.
Yeah, you bet.

(53:58):
Stay tuned.
Yeah, I'm not gonna quit untilwe get that done.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
Yeah, well, I mean, you have a great mission and I
and I love that.
So, which is why I had to cometo the farm is when you, you
have a passion for this, thatit's like you could do it.
You know so.
Okay, so we've talked about thepossibilities, potential, right
?
Obviously there are challenges,or else we wouldn't be sitting

(54:21):
in a farm with these behind us,right, like it would just be
over.
They would be everywhere, we'dbe good, we'd all be healthy.
So what?
What are the challenges thatyou face?

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I mean, of course, you got the technical challenges
to pull this stuff off and that, but we've got just a crazy
good team and so we we'vemanaged to pull it off.
I think it's taken longer thanit should have and, uh, and the
the primary honest, honestly, wecan do pretty much all of this.
The challenge has beenfundraisers and it, which I had
no idea, and I've been throughthis before.

(54:50):
Yeah, that was in yourbackground, yeah, so it.
I've just been shocked how hardit's been to raise money for
this thing and yeah, so that,frankly, is the only thing that
slows us down.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Which is just crazy.
And why do you think it's achallenge?

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, I know why we're in Kansas Interesting.
But the thing is, if I'm not inKansas, if I'm not in the
Midwest or the South where allthis stuff's happening, then
you're not going to know whatyou're doing?

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yeah, absolutely.
But what does that mean?
Venture capitalists just don't.
They're not paying attention toAmerica.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
They literally don't want to even have to make the
effort, like you did, to flyhere.
Oh, okay, it's mind boggling.
And so when you fly one firefor states, when it's yeah, when
it's hardware and it's allthese things, and then they
don't understand farming.
And we've kind of gotten to thepoint with venture capitalists
that we're like you know what Idon't have time to explain
farming to you so you can get ona plane or we're done talking

(55:48):
interesting, right, and so both.
Fortunately, we have, you know,family offices and we have kind
of angels investors and ofcourse, chipotle came in and we
have some other major companies,you know, backing this more
strategic capital.
Okay, and so that that has beena blessing and it's been
fantastic and so, um, but thatreally that coastal bias, what I

(56:10):
would call lazy venturecapitalists yeah, well, so let's
slow it down.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
so I'll ask you this um, so this is kind of
interesting.
You know I always say it's alove-hate relationship in health
care with, with equity, with,you know, yeah, and with
investors, and you know there'sa lot of finger pointing and
negativity that gets thrownaround and I feel like you have
to look at it from both angles.

(56:34):
There's a lot we wouldn't havedone in healthcare if we didn't
have venture capital and privateequity.
But I always go back to I thinkso many things fail in
healthcare because we look at itwith expectation multiple, as
expectations that are notrealistic for something that's
more infrastructure, do you?
Is that something you face, oris it literally just more of the

(56:56):
coastal bias, like, do you knowwhat I'm saying?
You know, in healthcare it's a10 year thing, it takes time.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah, okay, so there is, you know, and yeah, I think,
look, if I'm someone and I'm aventure capitalist right now,
what kinds of things do I con?
Right, I can do some sort ofcrazy deep science type stuff,
spacex, or something like that.
Okay, that's great.
That's a certain thing.
We're not quite that, althoughsome things we do are pretty
interesting.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Yeah, we saw some Starlink.
I saw some Starlink.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yeah, yeah, yep, yep.
And so I think the but otherthan that you're looking at
software.
Well, you make software and youput it online and you
distribute it a million, azillion times, and all of us are
SaaS innovators.
So here you know, early guysfound this.
We were all around that back 20years ago when it was actually
innovated, yes and so.
But the problem is, you canmake it and you can just sell X

(57:45):
amount and you can make yourexit Exactly, if you're a
venture capitalist, you'relooking at it, do that in five
to 10 years, which and which isyour route.
You know, and with us you gowell, five years in.
Of course, tech is three and ahalf, probably even properly
financed, but we, you know, a 10year run on this.
It's going to be a 10 year runat least to get to some sort of

(58:07):
major exit they'd like to see,and I understand all that.
But I will say this who else isable to do what we can do?
There's no, anybody can doSASass.
Like there's a ton of ag techsass companies got funded.
If I, tomorrow, woke up anddecided I wanted to compete with
any one of them, in threemonths I'd be online.
They'd be in big trouble, justlike apple computer.
Yeah, you enter something you'rein trouble yeah, yeah, right
now, and so we could do that.

(58:28):
I'm saying we're going to, butwe could, and so it's just.
Uh, it's the nature of the bshort-term finance, which is
exactly what you're saying.
Same thing you're facing from ahealthcare perspective.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
Yeah, and unfortunately, what it does in
healthcare, which always breaksmy heart, and it's why this kind
of this new little, you know,underground movement that you
and I met through, of movingfrom a sick care system to a
healthcare system, a deliverysystem building I think it's
this.
Let's find the people thataren't fixated on the quick exit

(59:03):
, but they're fixated on knowingthat they're doing the right
thing and they know that it doesmake financial sense.
Because we've all been in thebusiness long enough, we
understand the economics of this.
We're not doing something dumb,we're not just doing a thesis
here.
We know it will yield all thesavings, um, but it's just hard
because you do need the.
You do need the capital.

(59:23):
Um and and I think, but againthe secret sauce gets lost.
And I'm just so over that inhealthcare I there've been so
many great things that have putout there, but then the minute
that series a or series b comesin with the big, the big check,
the scale, the, the timing ofthe scaling that's associated

(59:46):
and tacked on with that check,right, it's crazy, it it's not
realistic.
And see, then all of a suddenyou take this business model
that was, was beautiful, and you, just you, you strip out what
made it special and um, yeah,and you're kind of relying on,
relying on the greater fooltheory.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Yeah right, oh, here's just saying let's just
talk it into somebody paying toomuch exactly, exactly, it's
happening a lot actually withprovider practices.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
You know I'm amazed at and it's it's changing a lot,
right.
I mean we know that that.
That that the the market isvery different now.
The funding scene I meancarter's put some good stuff out
there like it's significant.
I mean I think he it was afive-year low in terms of, you
know, new funding and thingslike that.
So I mean it's it certainly andI think things like this are

(01:00:34):
still really interesting.
You know, it's a, but it's justit's a transition.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Well, and that's why people are always like, oh, you
have robots, it must be easy,it's money, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
I have robots and I'm on a farm and it's not me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
But I get where they're coming from too, you
know.
But yeah, listen, there is aninteresting thing here to me and
I am seeing this in thediscussions we're in and in my
own life and things peopleshared in that group.
We're in the card of leads isthis 1997?
Sat in a room with capitalrecords and they said we control
the music, we'll do what weneed to do when we want to do.

(01:01:07):
1999, our first day at soundingmusic, napsters there, uh-huh
napster.
And yes, the music industry hasnever been the same.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
No, that's correct.
It took a disruptor it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Well, what it takes is people saying screw it, I'm
gonna solve this myself.
And that's what you had.
People come up peer-to-peerthis, peer-to-peer that same
thing right now.
Right, I'm doing theself-testing, I'm doing this.
I just went and said, doc, myone mar on my blood sugar.
Oh, we seem fine.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Nope right, I did the same thing.
I did in 90 days.
I did a 90 day cgm myself andso I think there's a.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
There's going to be more and more of that going on
and, um, it is obviously thegroup we're in.
It seems like some of you guys,what you're doing.
I'm like, oh hell, I I'm likebehind, you know, I'm like yeah,
well then I get on the farm,take sides.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
I'm like I mean hey, we've got a big, we've got a big
fancy podcast, so top that uh,you gotta well dave.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
You even admitted the one group that we're
referencing, one of the two Ihad to silence that yeah, he had
to silence it, but I, I, but Ihave to say like, in all
seriousness, it is the, the mostI've pushed myself
intellectually and strategicallyin probably 25, maybe even my
entire career.
Yeah, and I absolutely love the.

(01:02:31):
I know you guys are making funof me.
I say this stimulation, theintellectual stimulation that
that group provides, that kindof the provocation that's
involved there where and it'snot there's no A, there's no
transactional expectation in theconversation.
There's very little egoinvolved in the conversation and

(01:02:52):
it is everyone's in it for thesame reason.
And also there's no, there's norules.
It's like just throw this ideaout there, well, but okay, what
if this?
And you're like wait grocery asa health care provider with a
farm and most people say no.
But this goes back to yourpoint.
It's, it's going to besomething like that.

(01:03:13):
Yeah, I mean, it's going to.
We are the.
We aren't going to get awayfrom sick care unless we just
create an alternative rightright.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
And, by the way, the music industry still exists, but
it's a completely differentthing.
So he just bought huge catalogs.
So they're basically a catalog,but they're not deciding who
likes it and who doesn't anymoreexactly so we always ask our
guests what their buy a world ofCoke moment would be.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
We're not going to break into song, don't worry.
Well, we've done it too manytimes.
Definitely no, not even.
We'll just go with it.
So what would be your buy theworld a Coke moment?

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
I think it's to.
I think no one likes subsidiesright now, but farming is
heavily subsidized, heavily.
There are very little farmsthat would make it without the
subsidies.
We're talking about broad acre,like I mentioned early on, so I

(01:04:14):
do broad acre ag.
I've also grown vegetableslocally.
I've created my own CSA.
I've distributed into 25grocery stores, 35 restaurants.
I've actually done empty-leadpeople's doorsteps, farmer's
markets.
It all started where I startedGreenfield.
There's no subsidy for that.
There's no subsidy for that.

(01:04:37):
Locally grown produce, thelocally grown grain that then is
turned into a locally grew,local flour that's mine, just in
time turned into flour and thenit's turned into bread with no
preservatives, right, and so wedon't have any subsidies for
that and I I can't think of abetter way right now to do that.

(01:04:57):
Now I have a solution over herethat can drive down the cost of
producing things the right way.
Not going to be able to scaleit overnight, all the different
things, right, but in theinterim we need better quality
food and people that can raiseit on a local basis, right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
We need accessibility of it and for it not to be cost
prohibitive the way that it istoday.
Yeah, you know I'm the crazyone spending all money to get
the organic which I don't evenwant organic.
I want to get it from the localregenerative farm, right.
Right, which is where aaron andfresh rx comes in oklahoma.
Right, like she's creating amodel to do that and um, but to
your point, like it's still costprohibitive for the farmer, for

(01:05:34):
the scale, short-term costExactly, yeah, cost that people
are paying attention to Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
And so, look, the robots are going to help that a
lot.
And you know, we can helppeople raise more effectively,
not just broadacre.
We can get in specialty and wecan do it.
You know, I already think itthrough and I've mentioned it to
Aaron.
I think I can get him a robot,but it's one of the some harm to
test with.
But I think that, um, I woulddo that first because I think

(01:06:00):
that's the fastest way to sayhey, you.
So I have a farmer named shelby,she.
She worked here, she worked forjaco farms and she worked with
me for several years and, um,she learned probably more from
me, but she's also learned whatnot to do at times.
But, um, but she's gone on tocreate her own two green houses,
growing out boars, got her ownsheep and I go buy her produce
all the time, right and so.
But it's not easy for her.

(01:06:21):
I know what she's doing, I knowthe numbers, it's very hard,
yeah, it's very hard, yeah, andso we need to change it.
Like I'm not saying she needsto be wealthy great, you know
growing these things but but shedoesn't need to be
disincentivized.
No, and it makes it so easy forme, like, oh great, you know
growing these things, but shedoesn't need to be
disincentivized.
No, and it makes it so easy forme, like, oh great, you know,
because I'm hardly growing agarden and it's for a Tehutani,
so I just could buy your stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
I'm too busy with my robots.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
And I'm okay with overpaying for that.
But most people are not, yeah,when I say overpaying she has no
choice.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
It's a charge, way more than you're going to get
right.
But and again, it's not thatpeople that are educated,
they're willing to to pay theprice, but for so many people
that is truly cost prohibitive.
Yeah, and then you add that tothe lack of knowledge for the
majority of people that it isgoing to cost them their health
in the long run.
But they don't.
Nobody's ever taught them that,nobody, you know.
Nor do a lot of people evenknow how to cook healthy.

(01:07:18):
And then we look at ourtraditional sick care system and
it's built upon, you know, apharmaceutical industry.
I mean Bayer, monsanto.
I mean that is farming, that ispharma.
It's terrifying, right when you, when you think about the lines
that that crosses, um, but youknow it is what it is, so we fix

(01:07:38):
it right yeah, how do we get itinto costco?

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
that's my question, right?
So, in other words, like theexperience, like the nutritional
density, like all of thatcomponent, so that what I'm
saying, like I hear you I shopat both the farmer's market
right, locally, right, and againI got concerned because I'm
like I don't know, after talking, like I hope everything is
being, you know, farmedappropriately, but I'm not sure.

(01:08:05):
But that's the point being islike it's like round food, yeah,
this nutrient-dense food intoCostco, right, or Walmart, you
know what I mean.
Like how is that?
How do we get there?

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
Maybe there's not an answer.
Maybe we don't ever get there,maybe it's meeting people where
they are, I think.
So may I take a liberty ofsaying, justin, is it meeting
people where they are is analternative to just using big
box distribution?
I mean, I understand thatyou're asking a direct question
about big box distribution, butI think part of this, too, is

(01:08:41):
like-.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Well, how people yeah , how people shop Like people
are being hit with such highprices right now inflation,
other components they're goingto Costco right In droves.
So if that's the environmentthat we're in, how do we get
nutrient-dense food into thatarea and let Costco help drive
down the cost?
I mean, I don't know.

(01:09:02):
I mean I don't have the answer,but that's where people are
going because of cost.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Yeah, I've thought about this a lot, and at Costco
you probably could make it work.
I think one of the challengesof the physical retail store
store is this take in product,don't sell enough, it goes to
waste, drives up costs, right,don't have it marketed properly,
don't have it set up properly,don't you know?
And when I distributed ingrocery stores, what I saw was
crazy amount of waste, not so,and sort of.

(01:09:29):
The management of it was subpar, terrible action, and so I went
holy cow, this is not even avalid distribution method for
what we do, right, and so thething I think about daily is
this how many packages a week doyou get from amazon?
How?

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
many days in the week are there right?
I know my amazon driver's nameby heart, you know so.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
So just take the instance of bread.
If you knew you could getpreservative free bread that was
milled the edge town baked youcould get it.
You knew it was going to go badin a week but it was absolutely
conservative free and it hadall the fats and oils so it
tasted amazing and it was greatfor you.
And you knew that was comingevery monday and amazon incented

(01:10:14):
it to to kind of come with theother things you're ordering,
Right.
So I think there's this model,this distribution.
It's already happening.
We're just putting them inboxes right now, but it's
already happening, and so Ithink that might be a way that
this happens.
But it takes a change inmindset of where kind of things
are loaded up and how they'redistributed.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
I get my millet bread yeah, I get my millet bread
from Amazon versus, you know,Costco.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Local dairy, local whatever, uber, whoever.
No one's done this yet, but Ithink that that is where it's at
right.
If we're going to, if we wantto have fresh local syrup, you
can't drive 20 different places.
We're not Europe.
Yeah, it's just not going tohappen for us that way.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
I don't think right, and so, or a combo of the two
meaning like there's a, there'sa centralized place where this
is brought, yeah, that peoplecan go to.
I don't not going to say it's acostco, but it's a place.
It's affordable, yeah, right topeople.
Um, they understand the valueof getting it To your point.

(01:11:17):
There's stuff that can bedelivered to your doorstep, but
then there's also a place wherethis is aggregated and there's
actually a guy doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
And he's actually an investor in this.
He's trying to write a name forthe company Wagon.
He's in about 20 cities.
He's trying to do it, but ithas to become a thing, but the
key is the convenience Because.
But it has to become a thing,and the key is the convenience,
because that's what you'resaying about Costco.
It's not easy.
No, it's super easy, it's onyour doorstep and the loyalty
yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
So if you could leave a legacy in health care, what
would it be?

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Yeah, I mean, it's obvious, it's the focus I've had
getting chemicals out offarming.
So that's my place.
That's been the mission forgoing on 16 years now and, uh,
robots being, uh, you know, thethe final version of that.
So that's really.
I think my role in this is tomake production, get the
chemicals out and then make itlower cost to raise the strike,

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which is you've done that, forme is an easy one well, I just
like to mark the state ofhistory that I got to ask that
question on our healthcareindustry podcast.
Okay, this is the first timeyou've been up.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
And I wasn't just seen as like the complete quack.
There'll be a lot of peoplethat still think this is a
little bit out there, but yeah,but yeah, so super much
appreciate your time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Yeah, likewise, and that yeah, this has been great.
And so, lady people, all theway out here Very enlightening,
we can't either, but she's atraveler.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
I'm super grateful that I got to go on a farm field
trip, so we can't wait to sharethis podcast with the
healthcare industry at large.
It's been outstanding, sothanks again.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Thanks for your time.
Thanks for having us.
I'm Dave.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Pavlich, and I'm Justin Politi.
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change.
As you can tell, we can talkall day about health care.
Drop us a line through our site, bp2healthcom.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
That's our way.