Dawn of the Dead (2004) / Guest: Stimson Snead

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I had the power and I fucking failed.

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Hey, I'm already firing on all cylinders here.
Jump right into this show, whichis called the Review Review.
What the f is this program?
It is a movie podcast where it'sscary.
And it is spooky season, so weare doing spooky scary movies.
Uh uh during spooky season, myname is Boo McFadden, and I am

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one of your co-hosts.

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I'm Putrid Paul.

SPEAKER_03 (00:31):
Oh yeah.
And on this program, we usuallyhave a guest.
That guest brings us a movie.
That movie needs to be at leastseven years old and something
that they haven't seen in a longtime, want to revisit, and then
we're gonna talk, we're gonnachat, and we're gonna see if our
rating out of five has changed.
We do have a guest today, but webrought him the movie because
our guest is filmmaker, actor,evil genius, returning guest,

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Stimson Sneed.

SPEAKER_01 (00:57):
This is scary.
Either that would be StimsonSypolithic Sneed.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03):
That's good.
I want to correct you though,Ben.
Okay.
We didn't ask.
You asked.
You brought to be specific.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13):
I brought so there's some behind-the-scenes drama
I've not been following here.
Paul, did you not get myChristmas card?

SPEAKER_04 (01:19):
I'll be making you privy, Paul.
Sure about the drama.
You'll see.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26):
We have spooky drama today because it's spooky,
spooky season.
Uh, we are doing Zack Snyder'sDawn of the Dead.
Kind of take a straight from myletterboxed list.
You can find me on letterbox atrunbmc.

SPEAKER_04 (01:41):
I'm available on letterboxed.
We'll we'll stick with at PaulActs Badly, but at Puny Putrid
Paul, or I'm liking thiswordplay.
I'm considering some things.

SPEAKER_03 (01:53):
Before we get too far into the Zack Snyder of it
all, Stimson, we gotta know whatyou've been doing.

SPEAKER_01 (02:22):
Is now in wide release.
And mostly I've just been tryingto turn my mind to new stuff.
But on old stuff, check out TimTravers and the Time Traveler's
Paradox.
It is the only reason I'm evenon Letterboxd is to track other
people's reviews.

SPEAKER_03 (02:36):
Speaking of wordplay, though.
And go and Tim Travers Time.
Last time you were on here, youhadn't released it.
Now it is released, it is seenin the world.
I have seen it, it's great.
It's so stimson.
It's so much fun.
And where can they watch it now?

SPEAKER_01 (02:51):
Right now you can watch it everywhere.
Although by the time thispodcast episode goes up, we
should be widely in release oncommercial supported.
So you'll be able to watch itfor free by the time it goes up.
And it will be everywhere onliterally all the streamers
you've heard.

SPEAKER_04 (03:07):
When you say commercial supported, and I mean
you you just basically said likeliterally fucking everywhere,
but I'm gonna make you bespecific.
Tubi, Pluto, things of thisnature where commercials are
built in that are free.
Like if you're like me and youqualify, if you have a low
enough income and you get Tubi,I can watch it on Tubi.

SPEAKER_01 (03:26):
You absolutely almost certainly can watch it on
Tubi, but for legal reasons, Icannot specify which ones until
they're actually already out.
But almost certainly Tubi willbe among them.

SPEAKER_04 (03:37):
Sounds like a usual suspect.
Could be in the mix.
Okay, thank you.
Thank you.
Anything else you've been up to?

SPEAKER_03 (03:43):
Where have you been traveling?

SPEAKER_01 (03:45):
I've been traveling.
I decided to uh go check out NewZealand.
I gotta say, great area,neighbors, very friendly, bit of
a weird religious thing aboutrings that I don't quite follow,
but really beautifulcountryside.
Love New Zealand, and uh it's atthe top of my list of countries
to flee to.
I made a point when I was theregoing to Hobbiton, getting

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myself a sterling silver onering, authentic with cool stuff
on it.
And there are actual volcanoes,or at the very least, tar pits
there.
I might get drunk and throw itin one.
You never know.

SPEAKER_04 (04:20):
Uh that is actually something that Sean Aston has
vowed as the new president ofSAGAFTRA that anyone who goes on
the journey, he's coming withyou.
He's there to support you.

SPEAKER_01 (04:31):
Well, I gotta say, I am a I am a union actor myself,
so I feel like I should hold himto that.

SPEAKER_04 (04:37):
I mean No, I'm just speaking as his unauthorized
unknown biographer andrepresentative.
So you mean stalker.

SPEAKER_03 (04:46):
Don't don't quote him for legal reasons.
We can't say stalker.
Paul is just Can I say stalker?
Yeah.

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SPEAKER_04 (05:11):
Uh Paul, what have you been doing?
I want to inform those that donot know, as I thought it was
very common, but I also sent, Imean, I used this probably 25 or
30 times to send Ben gifts.
I want to spread the good wordof media mail.

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Why do I want to do that?
Well, recently I went to thepost office and sent myself a
bunch of my vinyl collection andmovies and stuff like that to
another address and said, I wantto send this media mail.
And holy shit, did I get grilledup to an including?
Does this include like yourpersonal journals?
And we just did uh sevenStimson, and I'm also aware of

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this face and this mustache, andthey're like, Whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, what's going on in here?

SPEAKER_01 (05:59):
Yeah, and I got I was not going to add judgment, I
was just quietly judging on theinternal monologue.

SPEAKER_04 (06:05):
And I mean, it was a US post office, so they were
like 500 feet, sir.
You know you weren't supposed tobe in here, but I did it anyway.
I sent the stuff and it ended upall being fine.
But they were talking aboutinspecting my mail and again
personal journals and differentitems that could be in there.
And I'm like, can I just send myshit?
Like, what's going on here?
And I the reason for that is Isent 51 pounds of stuff for$37.

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So, those of you that don'tknow, vinyls, books, movies,
these types of things can besent via the media mail if you
need to send them, and it is anaffordable way to ship bags.
Oh, yeah, that is that is gonnabe there probably Tuesday,
Wednesday.

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Just what I sent, what youwanted is gonna be there.

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Our legal team is um doing backflips right now.

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We're so fucking terrible at this crap.
We're so bad at this.

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Yeah, we'll get pulled off the air, don't worry.
Um, what have I been doing?
You've been wondering, right?
Is that what you've beenwondering?

SPEAKER_04 (07:15):
It's true.

SPEAKER_03 (07:15):
Uh well, are you hi boo?
My name is Boo McFadden.
Boo B scary.
I could have come up with abetter scary name, but I didn't.

SPEAKER_01 (07:25):
You know, like just commit, double down.
You know, like Fadden.

SPEAKER_03 (07:29):
At the end of the Simpsons when they list all the
demanding and a meeting.
First thing I saw is imitation.
And like then you just have likethe boo McFadden's.
You're like, oh, they didn'teven try it.
They were just like, No, I don'tknow.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (07:40):
How about Boo McDedden?

SPEAKER_03 (07:41):
Mmm.
That's not bad.
Big McFuckin.
This is fucking too hard.

SPEAKER_01 (07:48):
Wait, that's not true.
I feel like I wouldn't see thatin the Simpsons credits.

SPEAKER_04 (07:53):
Boo McFucken?
It's it's changed a lot sinceit's been on Disney Plus.
You'd be shocked.
The changes are bizarre.

SPEAKER_03 (08:02):
It's also gonna get pulled off the air.
I have been getting ready for1448 Hollywood's first ever
mixer and fundraiser, which weare hosting on Saturday,
November 15th at the RoguelikeTavern.
It's our first time that we'reactually doing something
separate than just the festival.
We're hoping to bring in all ofour artists that we've had

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before, all anyone who's everseen it, anyone who's ever
supported us, and there'll belive music.
There'll be some readings ofsome of the plays from previous
um seasons of the festival.
I'll be hosting it and uh araffle.
And so we're hoping to raise alittle bit of money to help us
sort of progress into the newyear as well as separate into

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our own 501c3, which we are notcurrently, but we are a
financially uh fiscallysponsored 501c3.
So any donations are taxdeductible.

SPEAKER_04 (08:56):
Hey, there you go.

SPEAKER_03 (08:57):
So November 15th, 1448 Hollywood mixer and
fundraiser at the rogueliketavern in Burbank, California.

SPEAKER_04 (09:04):
Fantastic.
That's on Pass Avenue, veryconveniently located, easy to
park.
Yeah, no problemo.

SPEAKER_03 (09:10):
It's on Avon's parking lot.
Great.
I am I feel great.
Stimson?

SPEAKER_01 (09:16):
I feel great.
I feel like I should redo myplug.
You took yours so much moreseriously than I did my own.
What?

SPEAKER_04 (09:21):
I prefer you know what I'm gonna say.
Everybody's feeling great.
I feel best when I feel likeshit.
Like when we watched seven andat times when I was watching
this movie.

SPEAKER_01 (09:32):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_04 (09:32):
Yeah.
But what I have a lot ofthoughts on this movie.
But before that, Simpson, whathave you been watching?

SPEAKER_01 (10:10):
Okay, I have been watching two things.
One, I have been really enjoyingAlien Earth.
I think it's fantastic.
I have also, and because I liketo be up to speed on new and
current shows, I have finallybeen sitting down to watch the
1970s production of iClaudius.
And I gotta say, that's the oneall the kids should be talking
about right now.
Hey, Claudius.

SPEAKER_03 (10:31):
Say more.

SPEAKER_01 (10:32):
Okay, it's the story of Claudius, but with all the
British actors you know and lovewhen they were way younger.
Uh, John Hurt as Caligula.
How could you not love this?
Patrick Stewart with a full headof hair, and it's weird to look
at.
It just feels fundamentallywrong on a deep level.

SPEAKER_03 (10:51):
Where are you watching this?

SPEAKER_01 (10:53):
Uh, it's on Britbox, and also because I'm a nerd on
DVD, which I own.

SPEAKER_04 (10:58):
Nice.
About to ask the same thing.
I was hoping it was maybe onCanopy.
My fingers were crossed.

SPEAKER_01 (11:02):
I believe it's also on Britbox, but I've been
watching my DVD copies of itbecause I don't trust streamers
not to change things.

SPEAKER_03 (11:08):
We were just talking about that, so I totally,
totally get the you're the likemaybe the third or fourth person
who said Alien Earth, becauseI'm praising Alien Earth every
episode right now.

SPEAKER_01 (11:18):
It's fantastic.
Although I'm two episodesbehind, so you keep your filthy
mouth shut.

SPEAKER_03 (11:22):
Same I'm a few episodes behind.
My mouth is filthy.

SPEAKER_01 (11:26):
And I won't spoil what happens to Emperor Claudius
in the Roman Empire for you.

SPEAKER_04 (11:31):
Oh, I thought you were gonna say an Alien Earth.

SPEAKER_02 (11:33):
I was like, oh shit, they crossed it over.

SPEAKER_01 (11:37):
I mean, it takes place on Earth.
My Claudius takes place onEarth.
Is that I think there's acinematic universe connection
here.

SPEAKER_03 (11:45):
I mean, Ice Age also exists in Alien Earth because
they're watching it.
So that's on Earth.
Is that something exactly?

SPEAKER_01 (11:51):
Is that I mean there's overlap here.
Also, it is technically owned byDisney, so I think this whole
standing with the MarvelCinematic Universe and the
princesses.

SPEAKER_04 (11:59):
It feels a little over the top, but I think I
think we could do it.
I think we can pull this off.
Ben, I think we should just doan Alien Earth pilot episode if
we have time.
I can cut this if we don't, butI'm I'm only two point couple
episodes in, and I'm gonna startover.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (12:16):
And so it's the first thing I can remember in
like decades that I genuinelyfeel like has made this
franchise better for itspresence.
And that by itself gets meexcited.

SPEAKER_04 (12:29):
Ben's been such a big champion for it.

SPEAKER_03 (12:31):
Yeah, and it takes the themes and blows them up in
a different way, like goes in adifferent direction than we've
seen before, and not just likerehashing.
It's been a lot of what we'veseen.

SPEAKER_04 (12:41):
Ben put it really well where the fans of the alien
predator universe, like it'slike the predator mandible opens
or the little alien mouth, andwe eaten from those weird, scary
mouths.
This is scary.
We eaten 500 feet, 500 feet.

SPEAKER_01 (12:57):
Yeah, I was gonna say, Paul, I have a lot of
questions about your internetsearch history right now, and
I'm happy to leave thosequestions deep in the dark.

SPEAKER_03 (13:06):
You can you can leave those 500 500 feet away.

SPEAKER_01 (13:09):
500 uh may not be enough.

SPEAKER_04 (13:12):
We have a lot of legal sponsors on this podcast,
which I'm starting to getconcerned about.

SPEAKER_01 (13:19):
Like I said, the lawyers are gonna have a field
day with this episode.

SPEAKER_03 (13:22):
Oh shit.
We have to make sure though thisepisode is approved by our legal
team.
So, Paul, please.
Me?
Yeah.
I was I was trying to figure outwhat to talk about because I've
seen a few handful of thingsrecently.
And uh so I've chosen two.
And one of them I thought Iwould really enjoy and ended up

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not really enjoying, and one ofthem I didn't think I would
enjoy as much as I did.
And I'm gonna tell you whatthose two are, and I want you to
guess which is which.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (13:53):
Do we get any context clues or do we just
start spitballing now?

SPEAKER_03 (13:56):
I don't care.
I don't know.
I'll tell you the two moviesfirst.
And then uh I saw K-pop demonhunters, and I saw the long
walk.
Ooh, I want to see that.

SPEAKER_01 (14:09):
Okay, this almost feels like a crit trick question
because knowing you you shouldhate K-pop demon hunters and
love the long walk.
However, you did just set upthat you were surprised.
So are you a K-pop demon hunterfan?

SPEAKER_04 (14:24):
I'm with Stimson here.

SPEAKER_03 (14:26):
I think it's that.
That is the correct answer.
Yes.
Okay.
I went into first off, I wentand saw The Long Walk and AMC
Burbank 16 and Dolby.
I was really looking forward toit.
I heard great things, bigStephen King fan.

SPEAKER_04 (14:41):
Your David Johnson stan.

SPEAKER_03 (14:43):
David Johnson stan.
And I didn't like it very much.
And I think the struggle withthat script for me is that
ultimately, I mean, it's StephenKing working in a lot of his
similar wheelhouses, which islike throwing people together in

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a stressful situation andwatching the characters, you
know, crumble or rise to theoccasion.

SPEAKER_04 (15:11):
Humanity's true nature.

SPEAKER_03 (15:13):
Yeah, and similar to kind of similar to how this
movie that we've talked abouttoday throws people together.
The problem is, to me, it's likethis the pitch is it's Hunger
Games, except there's nofighting, it's just walking.
And I think because of that, youreally need to rely heavily on
the talent of your performers,your dialogue, and the

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direction.
And the talent of the performersI thought was pretty good.
David Johnson's phenomenal.
And then I just thought thedirection felt not really very
interesting.

SPEAKER_04 (15:46):
That's a bummer.

SPEAKER_03 (15:48):
For me at least.
And like I looked up that dude,and that's the dude who directed
Hunger Games.
Yeah, you know, those are prettylike standard blockbusters that
don't really stretch muchoutside of so yeah, and like the
allegory behind it is veryclear.
It's like it's it's about war,but there's no war, there's just
walking.
I personally, it's a mid-rangemovie to me.

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It's a two and a half borderingum movie for me.
And then I really enjoyed K-popDemon Hunters.
I thought it was so much fun,and the music got stuck in my
fucking head, and I can't get itout.

SPEAKER_04 (16:18):
Okay, that's awesome.
Did you go to a sing-along?

unknown (16:21):
And it can be.

SPEAKER_04 (16:22):
No, I just think.
They have those, right?

SPEAKER_03 (16:24):
Oh, they do.

SPEAKER_04 (16:25):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (16:25):
I think in the theater, I think.
Yeah, Ben, if you've gone fullDemon Hunter K-pop fan, you
gotta go to one of the singalongs.

SPEAKER_04 (16:32):
Thank you, Stimson.
Okay, I'm there.

SPEAKER_01 (16:34):
Like, embrace your new found fandom.
I mean you found a new thing.

SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
It felt like to me, I was like, oh, it's a it's a
buffy sing-along episode in afun way.

SPEAKER_04 (16:43):
Great.
Yeah, I wanna ask expound alittle on long walk because I
think that book is fantastic.
And so much of it is about thegamesmanship, the psychological
warfare and relationships, andhow nasty these people are to
each other that in the are inthe contest, essentially.

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Does that come through in themovie?

SPEAKER_03 (17:08):
Yeah.
The performances are decent.
Like they're they're not badperformances.

SPEAKER_04 (17:13):
But it's based on the performances and not as much
in the writing or something.

SPEAKER_03 (17:18):
Yeah, I guess like the you know, the no, the
writing's okay.
The dialogue is okay.
I think the the tension bydirection, like to me, the
direction was just not what weneeded someone with a with a
much like clear.

SPEAKER_01 (17:31):
How's Mark Hamill?

SPEAKER_03 (17:33):
He's okay.
Oh I I'm I'm a big I I like MarkHamill.
Uh I feel like though sometimes,especially like in the Flanagan
stuff, and sometimes he hedoesn't really disappear.
You're just like, yeah, that'sMark Hamill.
Uh not you know, unlike hisvoiceover stuff where you're
like, oh yeah, he totallydisappears into his voiceover
stuff.
But when he's on screen, you'relike, oh yeah, that's that's

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Mark Hamill.

SPEAKER_04 (17:56):
Dude, when he's like, I'm the Joker, you believe
it.
I didn't believe it.
He's fucking fantastic.
It wasn't great.
I didn't push that hard.
Stop it.
You know what?
You stop it.
And no one has been astransformative in a role since
Mark Hamill in The Gyver.
The what?

SPEAKER_05 (18:13):
Right.
So what have I been watching?

SPEAKER_04 (18:17):
The Giver?
The Gyver, the Gyver, the Gyver.

SPEAKER_03 (18:22):
Alright, Paul, just tell them what you're watching
when we get fucked on.
Yeah, I think that's probably agood idea.

SPEAKER_04 (18:27):
Uh I just want to say, I know we normally try to
keep this a little spookier orwhatnot, things like the long
walk in Alien Earth right now.
We had a massively tragic lossin this world about a week ago,
and that is Robert Redford.

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An American through and through.
And I had to re-watch sneakers.
I had to.
And for those who haven't seenit, it's like this absolutely
unbelievable cast.
Redford, Poitiers, Aykroyd,River Phoenix, Ben Kingsley,

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Mary McDonald.
Like it goes on and on and on.
And it's imagine like MissionImpossible at a low budget with
a bunch of amateurs like tryingto pull this off, or what have
you, or what feels like a lowerbudget.
And it's just such a greatmovie.
And I do have it digitally.
And Stimson, you were talkingabout physical media.

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I want to get the Kino Lorber asit's 50% off in 4K right now,
and they're big on preservation.
So I assume I will be able toget you know what I'm always
used to seeing.
And sneakily as we're talkingabout this during spooky season.
It's a Christmas movie.
And so I think I may revisit itaround Christmas moving forward.

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I just I had to.
I have a confessional movie.

SPEAKER_03 (19:59):
I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_04 (20:00):
It's so good.
Again, it's such a joyful, funmovie, and you can tell
everybody had the best timemaking it.
And it's Phil Alden Robinson whodid Field of Dreams.
So it has this aspirational,fun, kind of clever light feel
all the way through.
Like it never takes itself tooseriously, even though the

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stakes are literally like thisis a computer that could topple
governments, change how moneyworks, etc., etc.
The stakes are massive, but theynever it never feels
overwhelming.
It's a really cool thing.

SPEAKER_01 (20:37):
To just to jump in on just the whole feeling and
the vibe of the film, when youspend a lot of time in the uh
modern independent world, a lotof these sort of underground
film festivals, it's difficultto articulate, but you will come
across a certain kind of filmwhere, regardless of the genre,
you can smell the pleasure thatevery single person involved in
making the film had.

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Sneakers is that kind of movie.
And again, if you're a regularin any of the modern independent
underground sort of film scene,you know the feeling when it's
there.

SPEAKER_04 (21:08):
That's such a good way to put it.
It's just toasty.
It's got a toastiness to it.
Like it's got it's got a levelof just like warmth to it and
comfort, and just I don't, it'sgot a tone to it that's so I
don't know, vibrant.
I don't even know if I canarticulate or understand what
you're saying or say what I wantto say.
It's just something so it's it'sa movie movie.

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It's I think we've said thisbefore in the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 (21:35):
While we're on the subject of Robert Redford, real
quick, I just want to highlyrecommend uh all the president's
men while we're you know in thiscurrent climate of our of our of
our world.
I think it's a a movie torevisit.

SPEAKER_02 (21:48):
It can only good happen.

SPEAKER_03 (21:49):
Well, Paul Simpson, Paul?

SPEAKER_01 (21:53):
Yes, we did it.
Well, it's been a great podcast,guys.
It's been great talking aboutthanks for having me on the
show.

SPEAKER_03 (22:00):
It is now time, Paul, to talk facts.
Spooky facts.

SPEAKER_02 (22:07):
Archaeology is the search for facts.

SPEAKER_04 (22:12):
This movie is Dawn of the Dead, not George Romero's
Dawn of the Dead, or involvedwith any Dawn of the Dead or a
sequel to Night of the LivingDead that Tom Savini did with
Tony Todd.
This is a completely on its ownthing.
But a reimagining?
Yeah, a remake?
Reimagining remake.

SPEAKER_01 (22:33):
I think this fits into the classic definition of a
remake because it's the sameideas, same themes, just bigger
budget.

SPEAKER_04 (22:39):
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (22:40):
I think this is the a textbook remake.

SPEAKER_04 (22:43):
Okay.
This was produced by Strike inNew Amsterdam and at the very
least, distributed by Universal.
It's rated R.
It's two hours and four minutes.
I watched the one hour and 41minute theatrical cut.

SPEAKER_03 (22:59):
That's what I watched too.

SPEAKER_04 (23:00):
Stimson Scott Wide.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (23:03):
I was unaware there was a longer version.

SPEAKER_04 (23:05):
Good for you, man.
Good for you.
I didn't know that either.

SPEAKER_01 (23:08):
I I live in ignorance.

SPEAKER_04 (23:10):
Blissful.
Budget of this film,$26 millionadjusted.
That's$44.4 million.
Opening weekend.
That's spooky.
Opening weekend, March 19, 2004,$26.7 million in the US.
That is$45.66.

SPEAKER_03 (23:27):
$666?

SPEAKER_04 (23:29):
I think just the two.
Million adjust.
But that was spooky.
Million adjusted.
Final gross in North America.
$59 million.
Adjusted.
That's$100.9 million.
Final gross worldwide.
$102.2.
Adjusted.
That's$174.77.

SPEAKER_03 (23:50):
That's holy.
That's not spooky.

SPEAKER_04 (23:52):
And what 20?
I don't know.
We just did seven.
I spooked out.

SPEAKER_03 (23:56):
But also, I just want to really quickly say that
he makes that 26 million work.

SPEAKER_04 (24:02):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (24:04):
That's kind of crazy to me.

SPEAKER_04 (24:06):
I'm with you.
Other releases this weekend.
Taking lives.
Remember that?

SPEAKER_03 (24:12):
I do.

SPEAKER_04 (24:13):
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind in a limited
release.
Remember that?

SPEAKER_03 (24:17):
So pause here real quick because I know we're going
to get to this, but I want tobring it up now, which is
basically Stimson.
When was the last time you sawthis movie, real quick?

SPEAKER_01 (24:27):
I saw this movie when I was in high school.
In fact, I watched it back toback with Eternal Sunshine of
the Spotless Mind as a doublefeature with friends.
So who was the friend I was withat the time?
Trying to remember his name,some jackass by the name of like
uh Matt Barrow.

SPEAKER_04 (24:44):
It was it was Matt Barrow.
Well, clearly, you two don'thave spotless minds, and that
didn't work out because you bothremember, but that was the
release.
Yeah.
Weekend top five were this film,The Passion of the Christ,
Taking Lives, Starsky and Hutch,and Secret Window.
Other films.

SPEAKER_03 (25:04):
I want to mention real quick, I saw every single
one of those in the movietheater.

SPEAKER_01 (25:08):
Oh.
I saw all of them but takinglives because I still genuinely
don't know what film this is.

SPEAKER_03 (25:14):
And Juliana Jolie.

SPEAKER_01 (25:16):
Ethan.
I missed that one.

SPEAKER_03 (25:18):
Yeah, it wasn't very good.
But I definitely saw Passion ofthe Christ at like an 11 p.m.
showing.

SPEAKER_04 (25:23):
Ooh.
It's just a dude getting theshit beat out of him for like a
couple hours.
It's just, I never want to seethat again.

SPEAKER_01 (25:32):
That's beautifully photographed, dude getting the
shit kicked out of him.

SPEAKER_04 (25:35):
I'm almost certain it was.
Other films from 2004.
A movie that was actually notwell photographed, Van Helsing.
The Village, The Grudge, TheForgotten, Saw, Open Water, and
Blade Trinity.

SPEAKER_03 (25:53):
There was a Van Helsing trailer on my DVD of
Dawn and the Dead that I watchedthis morning.
I'll tell you that.
That I bought from Half PriceBooks on Capitol Hill for$4.99.

SPEAKER_04 (26:04):
How terrible does that does do the effects on that
Van Helsing DVD on a modern TVlook?

SPEAKER_03 (26:12):
Awful.
Quite awful.
You know what's fascinatingthough?
Is I'll just mention one thingis that they used some practical
effects in that movie, but theyshot them so horribly that you
couldn't really tell.
Like the um the Hyde at thebeginning, the Mr.
Hyde, that was like a practicalpuppet suit.
It just isn't.
That was wasn't that um, what'shis name?

SPEAKER_01 (26:33):
Are you sure that's not the Hyde from a League of
Extraordinary Gentlemen?

SPEAKER_04 (26:37):
Because there was a Hyde in that who was a oh, maybe
I'm conflating and that alsowasn't good.

SPEAKER_01 (26:42):
We had two superpowered Mr.
Hydes within like three years ofeach other.
It was a weird time.
Hyde Fever.

SPEAKER_04 (26:49):
People had hide fever.
He was a doctor.

SPEAKER_03 (26:52):
He sounded like David Lynch that first.

SPEAKER_02 (26:54):
Hyver.

SPEAKER_03 (26:56):
People have hide fever.

SPEAKER_01 (26:58):
Blue velvet.
Try to hide your emotions.

unknown (27:01):
I don't know what to do.

SPEAKER_03 (27:02):
I can't.
I'm watching internal century.
Spotless money.

SPEAKER_04 (27:05):
Old Dr.
Jekyll.
Letterboxd average of this filmis 3.4.
Follow us, won't you?

SPEAKER_03 (27:10):
At Run BMC.

SPEAKER_04 (27:11):
At Paul Acts Badly.
Stimson, you had mentioned youlike to do a little spying.
Huh?
What's going on here?
On Letterboxd.

SPEAKER_01 (27:22):
Oh, yeah.
I like, yeah, I follow whatpeople say about my movie, which
you should all go check out andsee.
But otherwise, uh, I'm a socialmedia ghost.
There's no way you can followme.
You will not find me.

SPEAKER_03 (27:32):
Oh wow.
That's spooky.
That is spooky.
You're a ghost.

SPEAKER_04 (27:37):
It's a good good good good good go.
Roger Ebert.
No, wait, he actually died.
R.I.P.
Roger Ebert is three out offour.
Yeah, exactly the passion ofRotten Tomatoes 76%.
Popcorn 77%.
I don't know if we've ever hadones that are that close to each

(28:00):
other before.
Metacritic 71, 7.2 users, majoraward wins and nominations, two
Saturn nominations, Bram Stokernomination for best horror
screenplay.

SPEAKER_03 (28:13):
Ben, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (28:14):
Tell me about the psychos that made this scary.

SPEAKER_03 (28:18):
Let's talk about some psychos.
The director of this movie isone and only leader of the cult
known as Zack Snyder.

SPEAKER_04 (28:26):
No, no, you didn't.
We didn't mean to associate himwith a psycho or a cult.
He is a tour.
He's amazing.
He is he everything a master.
Everything he touches is gold.
I think he's just a guy.

SPEAKER_03 (28:38):
What?
No, what?
There's a term in football.
I can't associate with that.
There's a term in football wherea receiver is a jag.
Have you heard of this term?
They they call that receiver ajag, which means they're not
great, they're not bad, they'rejust a guy.
And I fall on the I don't fallon the I hate everything Zack
Snyder does train that I thinkthe internet wants me to.

(28:58):
I don't fall on the I praisethis the ground this the man
walks on train.
I fall on the eh, well, I don'tknow.
But the movies that we're gonnatalk about here, Rebel Moon,
Rebel Moon 2, Army of the Deadare all dog shit.
So um those movies are.
And it's one of the worstphotographed movies I've ever

(29:19):
seen because thecinematographer, Zack Snyder,
the writers on this movie, JamesGunn, Slither Super, uh, and
George A.
Romero, RIP for the original.
And this is one of the reasons Iwanted to do this one is I found
it fascinating that we havecurrently in our movie internet
culture zeitgeist this thiswhole d discussion around Snyder

(29:42):
V V gunn with the DC shit.
And I always point to this movieto be like, you know, they
actually work together.

SPEAKER_01 (29:49):
They broke literally Snyder's first film.
Literally Snyder's first film,period.
Written by James Gunn.

SPEAKER_04 (29:54):
Yeah.
I didn't know this was his firstoverall film.
I didn't know.
And that's it, they they kind ofbroke out.
Together.
I mean, they'd gun had beenworking, I know, for a long
time.

SPEAKER_03 (30:04):
As a screenwriter, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (30:05):
With trauma and stuff like that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (30:07):
Oh, yeah, and independently, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (30:08):
Yeah.
And Scooby-Doo, his masterpiece.

SPEAKER_03 (30:11):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (30:12):
Did he do part two as well?
Scooby-Doo?
I believe part two.

SPEAKER_03 (30:16):
Why are you holding three up?

SPEAKER_04 (30:17):
Because my pinky hurt.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (30:19):
Paul just said part two and was giving us the
American three.
Not the German three.
The American three.

SPEAKER_01 (30:25):
Oh no.
Yeah, never do the Americanthree around Germans.
You're gonna get yourself shot.
Yeah.

unknown (30:31):
Wow.

SPEAKER_04 (30:32):
My pinky.

SPEAKER_03 (30:32):
That's spooky.

SPEAKER_04 (30:33):
My hand hurts.

SPEAKER_03 (30:34):
That's dangerous.
Director of photography of thismovie is Matthew F.
Leonetti, Weird Science, WhatHappens in Vegas, and
Poltergeist.
Listen to our poltergeistepisode.
Music, Tyler Bates, who didJames Gunn's Guardians of
Galaxy, Atomic Blonde, and ZackSnyder's Sucker Punch, one of
the worst movies I've ever seen.

(30:54):
Okay, maybe I am falling on oneside of that argument.
Producers Richard R.
Rubenstein, Pet Cemetery from89, and Dune Part 1 from 2021.
Eric Newman, Children of Men,uh, and In Time, Mark Abraham,
the Robocop remake from 2014,and the Thing remake.
Oh.
Two movies that did not need tobe remade.

SPEAKER_04 (31:16):
I'll say, could Mark Abraham do me a favor and stop
remaking awesome movies?

SPEAKER_03 (31:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (31:21):
Don't need to be, don't, you don't need to do it.
It's okay.

SPEAKER_03 (31:25):
He's like, you know what?
I could do that worse.

SPEAKER_01 (31:29):
I love how on your script, by the way, you put many
others next to him for remakes.
Like, and you put it in a redall caps font because you really
didn't want us to miss thatdetail.

SPEAKER_04 (31:41):
You know what I love?
It could be that I don'tremember.
It also could be many others interms of other producers.
It could be both.

SPEAKER_01 (31:50):
I there's anger coming across in the font.

SPEAKER_04 (31:53):
It's red.

SPEAKER_01 (31:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (31:54):
You got red on me.
Stop it.
Starring in this movie is SarahPaulie, Anna.
No such thing, exotica, go, andalso a filmmaker who made Women
Talking and has a great cameo inthe studio.
If you haven't seen thatepisode, that episode is great.

SPEAKER_04 (32:09):
Yeah, so good.

SPEAKER_03 (32:10):
Uh Ving Rames plays Kenneth, Pulp Fiction,
Undisputed, Bringing Out theDead.
This ain't no movie.
This ain't Makai Pfeiffer.
Oh, this is a movie.
This is Mackay Pfeiffer.
And this has nothing to do with8 Mile.
Oh, sorry.
Uh, he plays Andre O, one of myfavorite, favorite Shakespeare
adaptations.
Oh, paid in full shaft and eightmile.

SPEAKER_04 (32:31):
Oh shit.
I guess we were gonna talk about8 Mile, my bad.

SPEAKER_03 (32:34):
Jake Weber plays Michael, Meet Joe Black, U571,
Midway, Ty Burrell plays Steve,The Incredible Hulk, Finding
Dory, The Muppets Most Wanted.
Michael Kelly plays CJChronicle.
Now you see me, Man of Steel,Zach Snyder.
Kevin Zeggers plays Terry,Nighthawks from 2019, Aftermath,

(32:54):
Airbud.

SPEAKER_04 (32:56):
Goldstander.
Hell yeah.
Hard in the paint.

SPEAKER_03 (32:59):
That's spooky.

SPEAKER_04 (33:01):
That dog can play basketball like a motherfucker.

SPEAKER_03 (33:04):
He's clearly have he has a demon inside of him.

SPEAKER_04 (33:07):
This is scarier than Teen Wolf.

SPEAKER_03 (33:11):
Michael Barry plays Bart, Detroit Rock City, All I
Wanna Do and Sugar.
Lindy Booth plays Nicole.
Teenage Space Vampires.
Never heard of it.
Wanna see it?

SPEAKER_04 (33:20):
Yeah, based on title.

SPEAKER_03 (33:22):
Yeah, I'm in.
American Psycho 2, All AmericanGirl, Rub and Tug.
Whoa.
Uh Fairy Tales and Pornography.
Well, this movie.

SPEAKER_01 (33:31):
Wait, is there a movie called Pornography, or
were you just saying she doespornography?

SPEAKER_03 (33:36):
Rub and Tug.
Is Rub and Tug what you do afteryou watch Fairy Tales and
Pornography?

SPEAKER_04 (33:41):
I find this, I find this vague.
I found the title Fairy Talesand Pornography fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 (33:47):
Oh, it's fairy tales and pornography.
Right, but it can't be okay.

SPEAKER_04 (33:52):
I would try to put a comma after fairy tales.
I would try.

SPEAKER_01 (33:57):
That sounds like a that sounds more wholesome
somehow.

SPEAKER_03 (34:01):
Also, American Psycho 2, All American Girl,
completely undermines AmericanPsycho.
If you've never, if you neverhave you ever has anyone ever
seen it?

SPEAKER_04 (34:10):
The s the second one?

SPEAKER_03 (34:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (34:12):
No, I have not.

SPEAKER_03 (34:13):
Because they Mila Kunis?
Yeah, but the premise in that isthat she worships the serial
killer Patrick Bateman.
And we all know from that movieand book that he's Uncle Bob.
Right.
It doesn't make any sense.
They make they basically whoevermade that movie was like, yeah,
he was a serial killer, so we'rejust gonna worship and was like,
wait a minute, did you not seethe movie?

SPEAKER_04 (34:32):
There's like a group of producers and writers and all
sorts of people that were like,Oh, I didn't get it at all.
Andor There's money to be madehere.

SPEAKER_01 (34:41):
I don't think it's mutually exclusive.
I didn't see it, but there ismoney to be made.

SPEAKER_03 (34:46):
What's what's that?
Star Wars?
I don't give a shit.
Put it up.
Make money.
Yep, give it money.
Jane Eastwood plays Norma,Videodrome, My Big Fat Greek
Wedding, and Trigger Point.
Tired of talking of all thosepeople.
Stimson, can you please give ussome fun facts?

SPEAKER_04 (35:00):
Fun facts, fun facts, everybody.
It's fun fact time.

SPEAKER_01 (35:04):
Okay, I'm gonna start with my favorite of the
fun facts that you guys dug up.
So there's a scene early on whenVig Raim's insured, he's got
this big bloody wound, and Anna,who plays a nurse, is stitching
him up.
Snyder hired a real nurse forthe close-ups, and the real
nurse accidentally punctured VigRaim's skin and started
stitching him up for real.

(35:25):
Vig Raims did not breakcharacter until after the scene
was done filming, and Zyder andSnyder commented that he thought
the blood was a reallygood-looking effect.

SPEAKER_04 (35:36):
Until this fact was dug up, I always thought they
really kind of overdid it withthat.

SPEAKER_01 (35:42):
No, he bled for that shot.
You damn right did not, you donot cut that shot.
He bled for that shot.

SPEAKER_03 (35:48):
That's insane.
I mean, and credit to VingRames, I guess.
To like stick with it.

SPEAKER_01 (35:53):
Hung in.
CJ later has a line in anelevator where he's where
they're all terrified andthey're listening to the
elevator music and just CJ, Ilike this song.

SPEAKER_03 (36:03):
It was a great turns out he improvised it.

SPEAKER_01 (36:05):
There was literally no music playing.
As anybody who's ever been on afilm set knows, there's never
actually any music playing.
That was just the actor havingfun.

SPEAKER_03 (36:13):
That was a great little line.
And I think when I see that guy,I think of him as Doug from uh
House of Cards.
House of Cards.

SPEAKER_04 (36:19):
Doug Stamper Man.
He is fantastic.
He is a fantastic actor.

SPEAKER_01 (36:24):
Yeah.
What's interesting to me, giventhat this is one of the Zach's
one of the uh James Gunn'sgrips, and James Gunn loves
picking his needle drops.
It's sort of surprising that allthe needle drops in this, and
this is another one fact, werepicked by Zack Snyder
personally, including When TheMan Comes Around by Johnny Cash,
Richard Cheese's cover ofDisturbs with Down with the
Sickness.

(36:44):
Uh Snyder was the only personwho thought these songs should
be in the films, basicallypulled rank, even though the
producers were against it.
I like to imagine that there waslike James Gunn off to the side
going, trust me, pick yourmusic, pick your music, just
trust me.
I just picture little James Gunnlike encouraging him off to the
side.

SPEAKER_04 (37:02):
I bet after the first weekend grosses, he went
back to the doubters and waslike, ooh, wah.

SPEAKER_03 (37:08):
I bet he was like, ooh, wah uh, down with the
sickness.
Like Richard's.
Yeah.
I do want to say that it seemsto me that he has gotten really
far away from those needledrops.
And I'm I'm a big fan of a goodneedle drop.

(37:29):
And I feel like Snyder kind ofdoes not do that anymore.

SPEAKER_01 (37:32):
Snyder was always more visual guy.
Like that's his language, that'shis happy place.

SPEAKER_03 (37:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (37:37):
Uh other fun fact.
And this one, I don't know ifthis is a fun fact or not.
I'm looking at it right now, andI think it's I don't know, a
little sad.
So Nancy from the originalNightmare on Elm Street, played
by Heather Leggenkamp, worked asa member of the production crew
on this film.
And part of me is going, oh,that's interesting, but also
going, I would rather she wasacting.

SPEAKER_04 (37:59):
I think it was a by-choice thing, like an ex
wanted the experience thing,like just wanted to be involved
thing.

SPEAKER_01 (38:07):
I think in that case, good for her, and that is
a fun fact.
But I don't know.
Like my my initial read of thatwas just, oh.

SPEAKER_04 (38:14):
Yeah, it's just like my my is it actors or is it
anger?
And Stimson's like, it's anger.
It's anger.

SPEAKER_01 (38:22):
It's not true.
It's anger.
I choose the verbatim.

SPEAKER_04 (38:25):
That's the direction we're taking.
Oh, hi Mark.

SPEAKER_01 (38:27):
And uh for our last fun fact, and I'm going to read
this verbatim and not paraphraseat all.
And the spookiest fact of all.
This was Shang.
This is higher.
I did not add those O's.
I did not add those O's.

SPEAKER_03 (38:47):
I I do want to add the one about James Gunn
received a massive amount of fanbacklash.
No, it's all right.
Even death threats.
When has this man not receiveddeath threats and fan backlash?
What does he have to do?
What does a guy have to do tonot receive the hack who wrote
Scooby-Doo should not be incharge of Dawn and the Dead?

SPEAKER_04 (39:07):
And I guess that was one of the nicer ones in some
cases that he received.

SPEAKER_01 (39:12):
Well, I like to think that maybe this was a good
learning step for him becausekeep in mind when this film came
out, there was no social mediayet.
People were not, there was noTwitter, people were not able to
approach you.
So these were the early dayhaters who had to go to the
trouble to write a letter,physically put it in an
envelope, stamp that letter,address it, and then presumably

(39:33):
he read and opened these.

SPEAKER_04 (39:35):
Yeah, that and he was frequenting moviepoop
shoot.com and you know he wasclapping back like these little
fucking motherfuckers.
Now it's 500 feet as a result.
It is 500 feet.

SPEAKER_03 (39:50):
Our legal team is letting me know we do have to
take a break, and we all need totake a 500-foot step back.
And before we do that, Stimson,when we come back from this
break, we are going to play alittle game of Cinephile and
talk a little bit about ourfirst rating out of five and our
new rating out of five.
And then we're gonna talk aboutthis movie.

(40:11):
And before we do that, I needyou to give me your best version
of a log line for this movie.
We're heading down thatelevator.
There's zombies on the secondfloor.
We're taking down three, youknow, three floors on an
elevator.
Pitch me this movie in one tothree sentences.

SPEAKER_01 (40:32):
People you want to see get eaten are gonna get
eaten, and people who you don'tcare about are gonna get shot.
There's gonna be blood, therewill be boobs, and why are you
not screen lighting thisimmediately?

SPEAKER_03 (40:42):
Sold.

SPEAKER_01 (40:43):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 (40:44):
Dollar signs, we're gonna make so much fucking easy
to get.

SPEAKER_01 (40:47):
Yeah.
Howard, that's more than the logline, but uh that's my pitch.

SPEAKER_03 (40:52):
Alright.
We will be back, and there willbe blood.

SPEAKER_04 (40:55):
Should we should we tell them the real log line?

SPEAKER_03 (40:58):
Oh, I guess we should, huh?

SPEAKER_04 (41:00):
I don't know.
I mean, a nurse, a cop, a youngmarried couple, and other
survivors of a worldwide plaguethat is producing aggressive
flesh-eating zombies take refugein a mid-west mega shopping
mall.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (41:15):
I reject the need to describe a zombie as
flesh-eating.
That just seems like bad wordeconomy.

SPEAKER_04 (41:21):
Sustained.
Alright, Paul, you want to takeus out?
You're allowed within 250.
We're going to break.
You know, faster.
We didn't even get to the 500feet until just now.

SPEAKER_01 (41:42):
I mean, but we weren't properly motivated.
You didn't release zombies.
It's motivation, Paul.
Motivation.

SPEAKER_03 (41:49):
I was trying to get up to speed to get 500 feet back
like these zombies are.
You know, these zombies arefast.
These are fast zombies, and theyare fast.
This episode's going fast.

SPEAKER_01 (41:58):
Well, this was like one of the first, I think this
was the first zombie film withactual zombies, capital Z to
come out after 28 days later.
So this was the first of thewhole we're going to take the
fast zombies from 28 days later,but apply it to the or sorry,
infected, but apply it totraditional zombies.
I think this was the first onethat did that.

SPEAKER_04 (42:19):
Uh I think that might be true.
I think Return of the LivingDead from 85 has one or more
running zombies.

SPEAKER_03 (42:29):
But not they're not all fast, like in 28 days.
No, no.

SPEAKER_04 (42:32):
I think it's like almost like a special thing.
Yeah, because I as you'resaying, because in 28 days
later, those aren't zombies,it's a different thing.
This is specifically that thing.

SPEAKER_01 (42:42):
Capital Z zombies.
But they have the sprint, butthey have the sprint button.

unknown (42:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (42:48):
And it doesn't, the meter does not run out.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (42:51):
Uh these are a deck of Cinephile cards.
If you want to kill me, you haveto get these cards away from me.
I'm gonna get them.
That's spooky.
I'm gonna get them.

SPEAKER_01 (43:02):
Ben, I know where you live.
I don't need the cards to killyou.

SPEAKER_03 (43:06):
Great.

SPEAKER_01 (43:07):
Just put that off the back of your mind.

SPEAKER_04 (43:09):
Ben, how comfortable do you feel right now?

SPEAKER_03 (43:12):
A lot of people know where I live, actually.
I feel like everyone who listensto this has probably figured it
out.

SPEAKER_04 (43:17):
No, but just like between me and Stimson both
clearly are like, we're gonnaknow.

SPEAKER_03 (43:23):
Paul looks like he's gonna shoot up a post office,
and Stimson looks like an evilgenius.

SPEAKER_01 (43:28):
So they simulate media male.
I do not look like an evilgenius.
What a ridiculous thing to say.

SPEAKER_04 (43:34):
Now you did just take control of the economy of
Idaho as you are pouring thatred wine.
Is that true?

SPEAKER_01 (43:42):
We're celebrating this is with a piece of
preemptive.

unknown (43:45):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (43:46):
Uh on these cards, Stimson, are a human face, an
actor's face, and their name anda movie.
I will flip the deck and youtell me when to stop.
I will then show the card to thecamera.
You just read what's on thecard, just say the actor's name
in the movie, and then Paul willhave to name a movie that actors
in.
I will have to name a movie thatactors in, and then we'll just

(44:07):
go around until one of us messesup.

SPEAKER_01 (44:09):
And so it's it's it's Kevin Bacon, but we're
rotating the Kevin Bacon.

SPEAKER_03 (44:13):
Yeah, basically.
And no Kevin Bacon.
Unless you pull Kevin Bacon,which to me that would be
spooky.

SPEAKER_01 (44:19):
Yeah.
So I really want to pull KevinBacon now.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (44:23):
Here we go.
Tell me when to step.

SPEAKER_04 (44:25):
Not if I pull Kevin Bacon first.
I'm gonna pull Kevin Bacon sogood.

SPEAKER_01 (44:29):
You can't.
You've already got a 500restraining order from him.

SPEAKER_03 (44:32):
You pull yourself while watching Kevin Bacon.
I need to take away my blurredbackground.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (44:37):
It's my bacon.
I can do what I want.

SPEAKER_03 (44:40):
Stop pulling your bacon, Paul.
Alright, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 (44:44):
Alright, am I allowed to say it out loud?

SPEAKER_03 (44:46):
Yep, go for it.

SPEAKER_01 (44:47):
Wait, which part do I say?
Just the movie?

SPEAKER_03 (44:49):
You name the actor and the movie.

SPEAKER_01 (44:51):
Okay, both.
Alright.
Marlon Brando, one-I Jacks.

SPEAKER_02 (44:57):
The godfather, the godfather.
Apocalypse now.

SPEAKER_04 (45:02):
On the waterfront.
The godfather part two.

SPEAKER_03 (45:07):
My question is, does he show up in this?
And I think I'm gonna be wrong.
Godfather part three?
I don't believe he does.

SPEAKER_04 (45:14):
I'm not gonna challenge if Simpson wants to
challenge.
Streetcar name desire.
Don Juan DeMarco.

SPEAKER_03 (45:23):
I need to now look it up.
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (45:26):
I'm probably wrong here, but I'm just gonna try at
least one wine advertisement.

SPEAKER_03 (45:34):
I guess while I'm waiting, I'll say the island of
Dr.
Moreau.
Uh let's see, is he in this?

SPEAKER_04 (45:39):
Bought yourself some time there, didn't you?

SPEAKER_03 (45:41):
I did, but I also can confirm he is not in
Godfather Part 3.
So I was I was wrong.

unknown (45:48):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (45:49):
Now was I wrong that he was in a wine commercial at
some point?
Because then Paul's the winner.

SPEAKER_03 (45:53):
That's not going to be on IMDb, I don't think.

SPEAKER_02 (45:57):
I want to tell you that Donegie Estates is the
finest wine available for me.
No Olson Wales.

SPEAKER_03 (46:04):
This is brought to you by 500 feet back wine.
500 feet back.
Wait, didn't we do a winecommercial for the last episode
that Stimson?

SPEAKER_02 (46:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:12):
I think Skyline wine.

SPEAKER_01 (46:16):
500 stomping.
I'm gonna take the feet.
I'm gonna take the you guys havefound your calling.

SPEAKER_03 (46:21):
And I think it's appropriate that I take the L
because it is my choice for thismovie.
And I did bring it to theprogram and I did invite
specifically Stimson.
Um you don't have to justify it,man.

SPEAKER_04 (46:31):
You lost.

SPEAKER_03 (46:32):
So yeah, I lost.
Uh, but so the reason I broughtthis movie, again, it's been on
my my uh letterbox list.
I also found it fascinating thatit's a Snyder gun picture
vehicle.
And also I have not seen it in along time.
I saw it in the theater withStimson.
I did buy it again fromhalf-price books on Capitol Hill
for$4.99.

(46:53):
And I've I think I haven'twatched it since college.
I remember really enjoying it.
I remember thinking that it likebefore I've recently watched it,
put myself back.
I remember thinking that itreally did a nice job with sort
of putting people together,characters together, and putting
them in a pressure cooker and ina situation that's uh uh uh
apocalyptic and seeing likeseeing like a true colors come

(47:17):
out.
And these are movies I enjoy.
Uh I like Twilight Zone episodeslike that, I like the mist.
I like these things that kind oflike shove people together and
see what happens.
I remember thinking that I'veand I think I've said this
before to other people who arebig Snyder fans, I'm thinking
this is probably my favoriteSnyder and also the least
Snyder-ish of his movies.
And I think I used to think thatthe script, gun script, was

(47:39):
pretty strong.
Um, so I probably used to giveit four, four out of five.
I watched this movie thismorning, and it looked like
shit.
I think that's mostly justbecause I watched it on DVD.

SPEAKER_04 (47:51):
And Sir, that is upscaled 720i.

SPEAKER_03 (47:57):
On my OLED uh really really awful.

SPEAKER_04 (48:02):
I think there's your great great grandfather's
friend's uncle died to bring us720i.

SPEAKER_03 (48:10):
I don't think that's true, Paul.
I'm gonna take it to our legalteam, pretty sure it's not true.
Um but I think there's so okay.
We did Sean and the Dead lastspooky season, right?
And I think there's a a thingwith zombie movies, and less so
now, I think, but there's athing with zombie movies where
they feel like they have toexplain what zombies are.

(48:31):
And like we as an audience we'relike way ahead of you, buddy.

SPEAKER_01 (48:35):
Uh the literal log line flesh eating zombies,
right?

SPEAKER_03 (48:39):
Yeah, it's like we know what zombies are.
And I think the thing that uhdisappointed me in this viewing
was that I thought I rememberedit being more character-driven,
and I thought I remember itbeing having more meat to seeing
these characters come togetherand develop.

(49:00):
And what I took away thisviewing was that I didn't I felt
like that was actually not verydeveloped.
I felt like it was actuallyquite underdeveloped, and that
they're sort of like archetypes,spicy, but not necessarily like
much more than that.
Um, and it really kind of hit meright off the bat when um her

(49:20):
daughter and her husband die,and she's just driving away.
And like she's like just like,what is happening?
And then and then we get likethis semi, is she attracted to
this dude at the mall?
Like that helps her.
I'm like, I'm like, what is thatstory?
You just lost everyone you know.
And I know we get a glimpse ofher like crying by herself, but

(49:41):
that's like the extent of that.
And so I think that like thereare uh great ideas in this
movie, there are some coolvisuals in this movie.
I really like the makeup and thepractical stuff, and some really
great little action set pieces.
And uh ultimately I'm sitting atthree zombie babies, three

(50:01):
zombie babies uh went down apoint, and I'm you know, I could
go either way, but that's whereI'm at.
I'm at three zombie babies.
Okay, Ben.
Okay.
Was that too much?

SPEAKER_01 (50:14):
No, that was good.
That was good.
Shall I dive in or Paul?
Who would you?

SPEAKER_03 (50:18):
I think it's you, Stimson.

SPEAKER_01 (50:20):
I feel like I did the mirror opposite of Ben's
experience with this film.
So I have seen this film exactlytwice.
Once the other day, preparingfor this podcast, and once with
Ben in high school, right afterwatching Eternal Sunshine of the
Spotless Mind.
And I remember vividly that Ihated this film, and I was

(50:41):
coming at it with all of theconfidence and wisdom of a high
school senior who loves moviesand is therefore convinced he
understands every aspect of theart form.
Watching it now, I think it's amuch better movie than I ever
gave it credit for.
But most of what I most of thegood I want to say about it is

(51:05):
sort of balanced against thelack of bad the lack of anything
to really deeply praise.
This to me is a perfectly finezombie film.
It is a good zombie film.
Watching it today, I give itfour out of five dead babies.
But because it is a perfectlygood zombie film that's well
acted, looks great, but there'svery little to say about it.

(51:28):
Where I look at it now is whenyou compare to the Romero
version and all the insight andthe satire and the sense of
humor in that film, most of thatoutside of a few elements is
gone from this, which is veryinteresting.
And so everything I findinteresting about this film has
less to do with the film itselfand more looking at it as a

(51:49):
comparison to the greater bodyof work from two unambiguous
megastar filmmakers.
And seeing that seed there onits own terms, it's a really
solid zombie movie.
For every scene that's terrible,there's a scene that's awesome.
The scene of the girl goingafter the dog is really stupid
from a writing level, and thatshould and James Gunn should

(52:11):
never have included that scene.
But the whole scene with thefather with the pregnant wife
and then the zombified baby,that is a great little 10-minute
horror movie vignette,completely independent of the
rest of the film.
That is just genuinely great.
The opening sequence, the panic,the strain of it, the coolness

(52:32):
factor when she walks out thedoor and they throw, and you
mentioned this earlier on, Ben,but this is a film that puts its
money on the screen.
But the interesting thing aboutit is it's not doing the later
Zack Snyder super slow-mo, lookhow crisp a shot is.
The first five minutes of thefilm look boring and very low
budget, and it's saving thatreveal of when she walks out the

(52:55):
front door and you're seeinghelicopters crashing, you're
seeing all these extras and thesheer amount of chaos, and have
this moment of, oh, this iszombie movie, but with a not
fucking around budget.

SPEAKER_00 (53:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (53:08):
And it's a film that I enjoy.
And the other things where it'sfun isn't just in the Zack
Snyderisms, but the JamesGunnisms.
Uh, Tyberell's character feelslike a prototype of a dozen
other James Gunn characters thatwe were gonna see once James
Gunn was gonna be allowed tostart directing.
So Tyberell's great too.
Oh, yeah.
Well, the thing, the reason Ifeel like he's a prototype is

(53:30):
he's objectively right abouteverything.
He's just an asshole.
But at this time in filming, andyou weren't really allowed to
make the asshole heroic, whereaslater on, that's a whole thing
onto itself.
James Gunn loves having heroicassholes who are sometimes
right.
Hyberell's character is someoneI think James Gunn would have
written as the hero ten yearslater.

SPEAKER_04 (53:51):
Dicks also fuck assholes, Chuck.
Like, that's how I like this isthis guy's a necessary kind of
character.

SPEAKER_03 (53:59):
It's like the dude says, You're not wrong, Walter.
You're just an asshole.
Correct.
It's four.
You're four.
We we both have I have a zombiebaby, you have a dead baby, we
all have babies.

SPEAKER_01 (54:11):
Well, I stand by it's not mutually exclusive.
A zombie baby is also a deadbaby.
Dead is babies are not infectedby zombies.

SPEAKER_04 (54:20):
I think it is apropos that we all have gone
with this rating system at thispoint.
I'm just gonna reveal that now.
We all chose zombie's, and whenI very first saw this movie, it
was a group of other dipshits,and liked it pretty well, had a
pretty good time, likedefinitely jumped a couple

(54:41):
times.
There's some really great visualthings in this movie that carry
over, I think, not only from theMichael Bayes and some of the
Paul Verhoeven's and John Wu'sand Suey Harks and and all sorts
of various places in the world,and people with different views

(55:06):
and what have you.
Stimson was talking about thefirst few minutes of this movie.
Like, I'm like, ooh, this has areally like kind of
internationally movie-type feel,like kind of some sort of uh
very approachable.
We were talking about the toneof sneakers, like there's this
weird warmth to it and realismto it that I I guess I don't

(55:27):
know why it feels weird, partlybecause all the fucking filters
on this movie.
But I originally rated this likethree and a half zombie babies,
like a perfectly good, if notabove average, really
rewatchable movie.
This in terms of the genre, whathas been better executed than
this?
And I kind of stopped myself interms of just thinking of the

(55:51):
genre and thinking of thingslike Stimson.
I think you were saying thistoo.
I was thinking of the originalDawn of the Dead and kind of the
satire and the the biting likecultural commentary and so many
things that exist in that movie.

SPEAKER_01 (56:04):
Don't beautiful word choice, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (56:06):
It doesn't carry over, it's not there in this
movie.
And Ben, you talked aboutarchetypes.
There are all these archetypes.
A couple of them have thesemoments.
It's like when Sarah Pauliestarts to cry, she can't finish
that moment.
Is that a piece of commentaryabout like there's no time to
cry?
Like, we gotta keep fuckingmoving, like whatever.
Sure, Jake Weber has some stuffabout being a dad and a husband

(56:27):
and not being able to find it.
Like they they have thesemoments that feel kind of I
guess unfinished, and I walkaway from this viewing last
night, I guess just because Ifeel like 28 days later for me
is aged like a fine wine, maybe500 years old exactly, and this

(56:54):
movie.
I think partly because Ben, Idon't think it's just because it
was 720i.
This movie, I just don't lovethe way that it looks, and I
like most of the performances,if not all of them.
I think they're good to great attimes, but it's all just like
okay, you have a moment or youhave a line here.
Like it it's great that CJ has,I think, this really good

(57:18):
character arc, what happened tothe romantic thing that was
clearly happening, or insomebody's head about Jake Weber
and Sarah Polly that got droppedthat just felt really confusing.
And also, Stimson, I'm superwith you about the dog thing.
This is a thing that I feel isvery common with James Gunn.
Please, I don't want this stuffwith these animals like to be
part of the equation.

(57:39):
It's not necessary for me, justuse the people.
And all that said, all thatsaid, Zach Snyder is a genius,
everything he's ever done isamazing.
It's diamond, it's priceless,it's incredible.
Uh James Gunn and he only makeeach other better at every turn.
They're the best.
Nobody can hang with their nuts.
But I give this uh as a completedipshit and a moron who

(58:01):
shouldn't be giving you thisfree podcast with these great
guests and this wonderfulco-host, uh, because I'm not
worthy to even watch this movie.
I give it a three out of fivezombabies.

SPEAKER_01 (58:13):
Makes sense.
I will defend, by the way, thevisuals of this film because
this was something where I whatdid not like it at the time.
Like I said, and I truly hatedthis when I saw it with Ben.
And this was like minutes afterwatching Eternal Sunshine of the
Spotless Mind for the firsttime.
Yeah, this is deep in thatgrindhouse roots.

(58:33):
Like this to me, what I was sortof feeling like watching this is
that it's trying to be thebiggest budget version of a
grindhouse movie.
Uh,$22 million at the time was alot of money to make a movie
like this.
And they didn't do it on likesweeping camera shots, stuff
like that, or any of the stuffthat Snyder would spend a lot of

(58:54):
the rest of his career focusedon.
It's rooted in this visual stylethat's still in use.
And one of the things I was kindof noticing was the color.
There was this blown-out whitefilter on a lot of the stuff
that was showing up in everyother movie at the time.
And it sucked then, it sucksnow.
But if you put that out of yourmind and focus on the

(59:15):
foreground, the level of colorsaturation and color palette,
you can absolutely see Snyderleaning into the stuff that he
wanted to do, but without thefilters.
Snyder likes that ultra crispimage, but he also loves a huge
amount of color.

SPEAKER_04 (59:30):
There's there's a level of like the whole world is
dirty, like that comes acrosslike as a result of the filter.
But I I agree with what you'resaying, where it's just like at
times it's just like unbearable.
It happened too much and itstill happens sometimes, and
that's unfortunate.

SPEAKER_05 (59:45):
We know a feature presentation skull x ray.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:00):
Hospital, classic hospital hospital?
Hopefully.
Classic hospital.
Classic hospital.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:07):
Dr.
Nick Riviera.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:09):
I mean, you know, classic beginning of a zombie
movie.
There's bites.
You know, I just keep thinkingof Sean of the Dead every time I
see a zombie movie now, justbecause Sean of the Dead makes
me giggle.
Because it's so much better.
Pulls apart every trope from azombie movie.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:23):
Literally pulls them apart.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:26):
Yeah, you know, we we basically get a hospital,
there's people, uh, someone gotbit and they're not feeling
well.
They had to have a brain scan,and like, why do you have to
have a brain scan?
I don't know.
I've been working too long.
Send me home.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:37):
Uh say hi to your mother for me.
What?

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:39):
I I need to defend this person.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:42):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:43):
This part of the movie, this is the part where
Zack Snyder shambled so that sothat Sean of the Dead could run.
We would not have those great,brilliant opening jokes from
Shawn of the Dead, where there'sthe background of the zombie
plague that nobody's payingattention to, hence the humor.
If it wasn't films like thisthat are taking it perfectly

(01:01:06):
seriously, it's true.
This is the DNA that gets to belater satirized.
I am grateful this scene existsbecause without it, we wouldn't
have some of the best stuff inShawn of the Dead.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:17):
I think the popularity of this movie
definitely helped open the doorfor Sean of the Dead.
Yeah, I do think some of thecomedy in terms of Sean of the
Dead comes from this movie, andthose guys, Edgar Wright and
Simon Pegg and Nick Frost, areprobably pretty entrenched in
the genre.
And that movie's such abeautiful celebration of the

(01:01:38):
genre in general.
I I like this opening too.
I get little touches of like WesCraven at times from him, where
yeah, they're just like some ofthese shots where I get this
idea of like power dynamicswhere people are at, the things
that people are talking about,people that should be in
positions of authority andpaying attention to what's going

(01:01:59):
on are just like not.
They're not concerned about it.
Parents in Nightmare on ElmStreet, for instance, are like,
We're I'm not gonna listen toyou.
And this happens a good amountin the first part of this movie,
up to and including where I lovethis shot on the back of the car
that happens here shortly, butwhere they go into the house, or
she goes into the house and seesher husband after she's greeted

(01:02:22):
this neighborhood girl, and theyare talking about their day and
everything, and it's very niceand feels very believable.
This is some of the acting thatI like in the movie, is nobody's
on the doing too much countdown.
It all feels a little likeunder, and I don't know if
that's good or bad in the endfor everybody, but it it lulls
you into a level of comfort inthe first part of this of the

(01:02:46):
movie, I think.
Here, and like they're even likehaving sex in the shower as the
news is like, by the way, theworld's starting to fall apart.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:52):
Yeah, I wouldn't say I feel comfortable during all of
it.
The characters are comfortable.
I feel like the film is goingout of its way to say, pay
attention to what's happeningover there, pay attention to
what's happening over there.
Right, yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:04):
It's about to go down.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:05):
It does, it wants us as an audience to pay attention.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:08):
Like it does have this voyeuristic kind of feel to
it to me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:11):
Although it does have one of the first bits in
the film that I findunintentionally hilarious.
Ben, you were talking about thedeath of her daughter and
husband.
That's not her daughter, that'sa neighborhood girl.
And this bugged me 20 years ago,and it bugs me now.
Why are they both so calm when achild who is not theirs is
wandering into their bedroombefore they figure out that it's

(01:03:35):
the girl is a zombie.
Just if a child wandered into mybedroom in the middle of the
night, I would have a lot ofconcerns, not the least of which
being, am I in danger of legalissues?

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:45):
Just 500 feet.
500 feet distance.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:48):
There's just so many things about this moment before
you know she's a zombie that Ifind deeply uncomfortable.
You know, you can't watch hersleep anymore.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:59):
You're not, you're not allowed to watch us sleep
anymore.
500 feet.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:02):
I I think I do think it's funny.
Like the first thing when shethe woman or the girl takes like
this giant bite out of herhusband, the throw that she
sends that child down thefucking hallway.
I mean, that's the one thing Ilike to do.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:16):
I remember her little pop-up.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:17):
Yeah, the one thing I liked about this.
Actually, I liked a lot aboutthis movie, but something I do
like about this movie is howfucking metal it goes so fucking
fast.
Like, we don't sit in thebuildup for very long.
I do appreciate kind of likeSean of the Dead 2 and other
horror movies, that she is, youknow, she's a subservient to
something in her life.
She is below, she's a nurse,she's having to answer to this

(01:04:38):
dickhead doctor who won't lether go after she's an hour past
her shift.
There's all these things whereshe is like she has always not
had complete control of herlife.
And like we get that in such abrief glimpse in this opening,
which is nice.
And then the one thing thatgives her comfort is like her
his neck is fucking ripped out.
And then we go outside and it'sfucking chaos, which I do like

(01:05:00):
how metal it is, like right offthe bat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:02):
We've been joking a lot so far on this podcast about
praising or criticizing Snyder.
I want to make some non-joke,actual just statements of my
opinions.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:10):
Be careful though.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:11):
Snyder, regardless of whether or not he is doing a
great movie or a terrible movie,he is never afraid to go metal.
I think in real life, this isjust a fundamentally likable
person who everybody who hasever talked about has talked
about how great he is to workwith.
So in a 30-year career, there'snot a negative word said against
him.

(01:05:32):
And he always likes to just goas hard and ridiculous as he
can.
Anytime he is given the optionto, he always will.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:40):
Like I think that's in the paint.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:43):
But I think that comes from a very sincere place
with Snyder.
Like, I think that is just verymuch he's not trying to be a
poser.
That is just his thing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:51):
I think that's true.
I would say that I think itworks better when he has
guardrails.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:57):
With again, this isn't a comment of whether or
not it's good filmmaking.
Sure, sure, sure.
It is a thing he reliably does,and it comes from a very sincere
place.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:04):
I agree with that.
I I think from a technical pointof view, I think it's hard to
question that he is absolutelyfantastic in terms of technical
filmmaking and the execution andand and these sorts of things
he's doing.
And capturing his vision.
And when he goes, when she goesoutside, as you guys are saying,
he leans into the fact the shithas hit the fan.

(01:06:25):
This guy gets hit by theambulance, like kids are getting
killed.
It it shit is going down.
And I I agree there's a level ofwhen there are guardrails, when
there are people that he has tobe accountable to, that's one of
the things I'm thinking in thismovie.
I we're all kind of thinking thesame thing.

(01:06:45):
Oh, yeah, this guy does goreally fucking hard in the
paint, and it's really workingin this movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:50):
Well, and again, Snyder is not simply as a
technical person, he is one ofthe best visual filmmakers of
his entire generation, to thepoint that it actually hurts his
films because he can't resistmaking something look gorgeous,
even when the gorgeousnessactually undermines the themes
that he wants to do.
But uh, he does not know how tohold himself back, but that's

(01:07:12):
not to say his visuals aren'tabsolutely mind-blowing.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:15):
The shot the shot composition is fantastic,
unquestionable.
But there is a level of like, Idon't need to necessarily see
this in slow motion or have thishappen this way, so it has this
big visual impact on me orwhatever.
It can be distracting.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:33):
I gotta ask, did you two do this?
Because we both, all three ofus, when we went back to watch
this, have his entire career tothink about did anybody else
count the slow-mo shots on hisfirst feature?

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:43):
I did not.
I did not.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:45):
It is it is like it is less than 10.
Five of them are all in the last10 minutes of the movie in the
climax, and there is not asingle speed ramp in there, and
they're usually extremeclose-ups of props and inserts
where he's conveying a detail.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:01):
So I would have thought there was closer to that
that is interesting.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:06):
No, less than 10 and five are in the last 15 to 20
minutes.
Wow.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:11):
Which I appreciate.
I I think the slow-mo a lot oftimes it's just like, oh man,
can we not?

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:17):
Well, the the interesting thing about it, just
going to the whole again.
I I don't want to, I feel likeI'm going to have to be the
Snyder defender of the three ofus, even though I share a lot of
the criticisms.
But I feel like I'm just I thinkabout that as my role for this
dialogue.
As much as speed ramping getsoverused now, it's worth
remembering that prior to 300,the only people who had really

(01:08:38):
evolved it was the Matrixmovies.
Snyder, what he came up with for300 and how he later used it, he
legitimately has evolved thelanguage of cinema to the point
that other filmmakers cannotresist using it.
And while there's 50 milliondumb uses of it, usually from
Snyder, there is a lot of otherbrilliant uses of it from other

(01:08:59):
filmmakers.
And he basically created thistechnique and style of doing
that.
That is something only a handfulof directors in history can lay
claim to, evolving the language.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:10):
I I like that what you're saying in terms of the
yes anding and what have you.
I'm not against the fact that Ithink clearly this filmmaker
likes Robert Rodriguez and JohnWu.
And the Wachowskis.
Yeah, John Wu's a big one.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:25):
Like Scaliber, I think, is the film he always
cites as the one.
Like if you go back and watchit.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:31):
Excalibur John Borman.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:33):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Great filmmaker.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:35):
There I feel more influence at Soderbergh, even
that like are in this person'swork than I've felt.
Like you're saying, like thereare 50 million dumb fucking
things that have come from theway that this person has evolved
things, and there are only ahandful of things that are
probably, you know, really greatthat have not come from him or

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come from him or what have you.
I don't I don't know if theseshining beacons outweigh like
the absolute garbage dump ofmovies that try to emulate a lot
of his style.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:08):
Uh we should keep with this train moving or the
car moving as she's driving andcrashes, and we get this really
cool intro with the Johnny Gash,Johnny Cash song to see like the
world fall apart, which I thinkis just a great montage, great
needle drop.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:23):
And also, it absolutely feels like the
prototype to the uh Bob Dylansong at the beginning of
Watchmen.
Yeah, which is arguably the bestscene of Watchmen, by the way,
is that montage.
I know I'm with you 100%.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:36):
For me, and I don't want to get bogged down on this
conversation too much, but forme, I feel like for context,
Watchmen is my favorite graphicnovel of all time, and the movie
really misses the mark in a lotof ways for me.
Uh, visually, looks great.
Some of the frames are likedirectly from the comic, but I
feel like that is the movie thatsort of fundamentally changed
his philosophy aroundsuperheroes.

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It's one of the reasons I don'treally care for his DC stuff, is
because I feel like thatphilosophy about superheroes and
being sort of like the darknessthat came with Watchmen seeped
into all of the stuff that hemade past that point.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:13):
I would agree absolutely.
I would say that Snyder clearlyloves Watchmen so much that it
influenced everything else hedid.
He's never gotten out of thatmindset.
And actually, going back to whatI was mentioning a minute ago
about the idea of how hisvisuals undermine the themes.
Watchmen is a perfect example.
With one or two minorexceptions, and depending on who
you talk to, one majorexception, it is as close to a

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direct translation of the bookyou can get in terms of the
dialogue and the text and theplot.
What undermines the themes isthat a story that should be
about showing how sad andpathetic these characters are
cannot resist making them lookabsolutely epic and spectacular
all the time.
I think Watchman is a perfectexample of where his visual

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sensibility undermines thethemes.
Because from a scriptstandpoint, it's a almost
psychotically faithfuladaptation.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:06):
Until the end.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:07):
Which I get the logic of why he did it, and I
get why some people don't likeit.
I don't find that change thatcontroversial simply because
it's a different movie that wecould talk about another day.
But I feel like the heart was inthe right place of that
particular adaptation change.
Even if you don't like it, Ifeel like the intent to do right
by the fan base was there.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:28):
Good intentions don't make the world go round.
So Ving shows up with theshoddy.
And they gotta get Ving with ashoddy.
We're going to the mall.
They meet up with MackayPfeiffer and his wife who's
pregnant, and they're like, hey,Fort Pastor or whatever, that
shit's fucked.
It's thick with those things, Ithink they're calling them at
this point.
After this standoff that theyhave for a little bit, they

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decide they're gonna go to themall.
And when they go into the mall,the fact that it's playing don't
worry, be happy.
Like, I like funny, like thethat little subtle like quote
unquote needle drop that'sthere.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:01):
First off, Simpson, do you remember Crossroads Mall
in Bellevue?

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:05):
Oh baby.
It feels very similar.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:09):
Yeah, I was like, is there a crossroads mall in like
every city in the United Statesof America?

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:14):
Definitely in Ontario, Canada, where this was
made.
I think we're just required tocall that with most malls having
crossroads.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:22):
And then also, what was the video game that came out
about the guy fighting zombiesin the mall?
I mean, is that directly DeadRising?

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:30):
Which the Tyberell character even looks like the
guy in that video game.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:34):
Yeah, I was like, did they just were like, oh,
let's just make that into avideo game.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:38):
Yeah.
I have a question.
I have a question.
Is there exploring the mall?
Jake Weber goes into like thesports store, yeah, and he's got
a crowbar.
And he's like, you know what?
I'm really good at croquet.
I'm gonna grab this mallet.
Would you trade a fuckingcrowbar for a mallet?
No, not what is that?

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:58):
I spent a ridiculous amount of time the other night
debating with myself about thisbecause I hate the logic.
The croquet mallet is solid woodand it has a longer reach.
And the disadvantage to acrowbar is it's a hook shape.
So if you hit one zombie and thezombie recoils, you have been
disarmed.
On the other hand, it's acroquet mallet versus a crowbar.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:24):
As we're on this subject, and you know, they're
fighting these new zombies thathave shown up.
Yeah, I really want to know whatis your favorite, what is your
go-to dual weapon situation fora zombie apocalypse?
You get two.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:35):
Oh uh, I am going to go straight for I'm going to go
straight from uh the zombieapocalypse book, the uh World
War Z, the book.
I use a bladed shovel.
Long reach, heavy impact, theedges of the shovel, sawed into
uh sanded down into a blade, soit's functional, it's a stabbing
tool, but it also works as aspear to keep him at a distance,

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has a lot of weight for impact,and because it's circular
shaped, unlike an axe or acrowbar, will not get lodged in
a target.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:05):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:07):
I'm with this guy's shovel.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:08):
Just a single weapon?
Single weapon for you?

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:12):
Well, no, I thought by dual weapon you meant a
weapon I could use two ways.
Oh, so I guess you're gonna beable to do that.
I mean I'm with you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:17):
I'm with you.
I mean, like, let's be honest,if I had that, I'd also still
have my other weapon on me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:22):
I misunderstood the brief.
I thought I only got one weaponthat I use in two ways.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:25):
Either way, either way.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:26):
Uh for a gun, why would I snipe a zombie?
I want a shotgun with a widespread.
You don't need a slug to blow upthe brain.
A decently sized deer pelletwill do the trick.
And I do not want to be relyingon my aim.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:44):
I just want one of those classic American weapons
that just take out a bunch ofpeople at once, like one of
those guns, and then a samuraisword that's sharpened like to a
T with an acid etch.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:55):
Those are my two things.
The blade sword.
I want the blade I want theblade sword and the moonraker
laser and like a or the thegolden eye laser watch.
Oh yeah.
Oh, that's what I want.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:05):
I'm gonna push back on sword.
Everybody always likes swordswith zombies.
Swords make sense against thingswith jugulars.
Zombies don't die unless youcrack through the skull.
A sword does not have as muchweight as a hammer or a club,
and you would have to put apretty significant amount of
force in a perfectly aimed blowto penetrate skull.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:27):
Ben.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:27):
Unless you're just taking the head clean off.
I'm just saying, so you want theshovel thing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:35):
I'm gonna go this way.
You guys can go that way.
Just say you want the shovelthing.
I'm gonna have my sword and andmy gun 500 feet away.
They go up the elevator and theyencounter these security guards
who are on a power trip, becausesecurity guards always are,
because they you know it's thatit's job is the job is garbage.
So they're uh best characters inthe movie, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:53):
CJ, best character.
CJ is so good.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:55):
Absolutely, but he's a real dick, and he was like, I
don't trust you, give us yourguns, and we're gonna put you in
like mall prison or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:03):
Yeah, like mall jail, as as we're seeing on TV,
the world's in chaos, and we getlike the Tom Savini pop in as
the sheriff or whatnot, withlike the long hair and
everything.
That guy's badass, dude.
I fucking love Tom Savini.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:18):
This is where though I found myself comparing it to
the original Dawn of the Deadand where it's fails.
Yeah, it never does anythingwith the satire opportunities.
I imagine if you made just astraight up remake of Dawn of
the Dead right now with thecurrent political situation
we're in, I feel like anyfilmmaker who's half awake would
just have a field day withsocial commentary.

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And it's very weird to me notseeing it here.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:43):
I was thinking that too, like 20 days later, a lot
of especially currently, likeyour zombie movies tend to have
a deep commentary, and this onejust doesn't really have it.
It's kind of like how I feltabout weapons, which I loved
weapons, but it was like there'snot a lot, it's not like
comment, it's just likewatching.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:59):
There's so many continuity, yeah.
It's just fun.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:01):
It's just watch this, it's fun.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:03):
And that's I think that's more so what this is,
because the genre, the original,you know, Knight of the Living
Dead, and moving forward for themost part, is built on a level
of social commentary almostentirely in almost everything
you watch.
And it's weird that this movieseems to just kind of mostly go

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off of so it's very suggestive,like, hey, security guards,
right?
Hey, everybody uh they'll uhthey all they'll all go to the
mall, right?
Hey, people stop treating uh youknow the zombies like they were
people at some point, right?
Like and it's everything justfeels like kind of a nudge.
Like the the Ben Cosine thing,like where they kill the the

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security guard that was disabledwhen Ving Rheims got hurt and
whatever.
They go, Yeah, check him out,and they shoot him, and it's
just again where it's like alevel of like I just don't have
to feel that it never saysanything about it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:59):
Right.
I do like oh go ahead, Simpson.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:02):
I was gonna say, what do we get from this other
than that CJ is kind of anasshole?

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:06):
A necessary asshole, a power tripping asshole when
they go to the roof and thattruck is coming in and I Jake
Weber's idea.
I do like this outside forcethat's invading this new because
of course it's gonna happen,right?
Yeah, and I like that likeshoving them into that choice.
Are we going to be people whohelp others, or are we going to

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close up and at fear for our ownlives, are we just gonna like
lock it down?
Which I think that is a classiczombie conversation, like zombie
movie slash TV show, WalkingDead conversation thing that is
like always happening.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:44):
Who will lead us?
Who will be the the beacon ofwhere I used before?

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:48):
Because like the whole thing in Walking Dead was
like, do we help or do weisolate?
And I think if that that that islike a common theme that is
resonant with our currentpolitical climate, or nothing
bad happened, it can always behappening.
And they have it for a second,and then it we're just gonna
help them.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:06):
We're gonna there's never any consequence to it.
Like you imagine that CJ isgoing to become the villain or
something like that.
After he gets deposed, he's gotlike one other scene later on of
being kind of grumpy about it,and then he's just fully part of
the gang.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:20):
His turnaround, his turnaround is just it's
interesting that they have thecommunication with Andy, and
that's kind of established.
And I like when they're going tobed and it does like the last of
the remnants of TV and the NoMore Room in Hell.
And again, I'm finding myself,and I know I get distracted by
this a lot, but it's likethere's this they live or Prince

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of Darkness, like John Carpenterthing, which are movies with
biting social commentary.
And I think this movie it again,it everything feels just like
half cocked.
That's why I'm at the three.
It's like, yeah, it's betterthan average, but there are so
many things that I think of thatI'm like, oh, I want to watch
that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:58):
This to me is why I don't put it at a uh a five out
of five, but it's only becauseof the lack of social
commentary.
I think on every other level, asjust a really fun zombie movie
to sit through, it works.
The acting is good, the squad isfun.
There's several laugh out loud,funny moments.
There's really good littlehorror vignettes.
What keeps it down at four forme is that it never takes that

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extra step to become somethingmeaningful.
It is really good entertainment.
But that's it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:28):
I think this is the point where it tries to do that,
where Ving and Makai Pfeifferget in the conversation in the
bathroom, and the way that thatkind of pays off.
That's the one character throughline or whatever that I'm mostly
like, okay, is is Andre.
Because I agree with the CJthing.
Like it does feel like kind oflike a whoa.

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But they do the thing in thebathroom, and the the payoff in
the end with Andre, I think,kind of, but maybe that's the
only one.
But the the new arrivals arethere, and CJ is starting to
fucking lose it and says thething.
Like, we're gonna let the wrongperson in, and I'm gonna fucking
die, and I don't want to do it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:05):
You know, that is inevitable in in every zombie
movie, which is I think part ofwhat is or a show, you know,
like with Last of Us or WalkingDead, like one of the cool
things that what zombie genresdo is it immediately makes you
suspicious of your friends, ofyour peers, of anyone else.
Nothing better that ishappening.

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That that is something that Ithink is done pretty well in
this movie.
It may be done well better inother versions, but I do like
that you know, we get these newpeople in, and this woman in the
wheelbarrow, she is like shelooks dead right away.
Oh yeah.
I was like, what are we doing?
Like they're wheeling her in andlike just staring at her, I'd be
like, uh, I'm just gonna wheelthis right outside.

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But they don't know yet, theydon't know.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:50):
At least keep that 500 feet away from the building.
Then they're it looks likeHenrietta from Evil Dead.
It is fucking disgusting.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:58):
And this is one of the things, it's such a struggle
for zombie movies, and theydon't have to do this anymore,
but that you know, they don'tknow yet that it's like they're
getting bit and creating thesezombies and we have to get
there, which is like we're alllike we we're on that page
already, so it that is like it'sno fault for the movie just
because it came out at a timewhere it's like it's not I don't

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know, I don't know.
No smartphones.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:20):
I don't think the movie thinks that it's
surprising us.
I think that even back then itassumes the audience knows how
zombies work.
That when they're bringing inthe lady, we already know where
this is going.
And what they're trying to setup is the oh this lady's gonna
go zombie nuts.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23:41):
Yeah, when when is it gonna happen?
There are all these like that'sI think it does ticking cat
bombs where the wife has a bite,like Matt Frewer has a bite, Max
Headroom has a bite, sorry, andHenrietta has a bite.
It's all when is it gonnahappen?
And and her putting it togetherhere, and the movie, I think,
more so than finishing thingsoff, more does a like, yeah, but

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here's Poochie, like Tyberellcomes in and like the dynamic
changes.
Oh, the name of the dog.
Yeah, I mean, but also here'sPoochie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:12):
I was about to sorry, is Tyborell Poochie?
What is his name in the movieagain?
What's the dick's name?
I mean, there's a couple ofdicks in here.
No one remembers the character'sname, but Ty Burrell.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:23):
Tyberell.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:24):
So this is a thing they could have made something
out of, getting back in thewhole philosophy.
If they hadn't have saved thetruck, then they never would
have had access to Tyborell'sboat.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:33):
Right, sure.
And but that's the thing, isthis feels like again, like a
thing that's just like droppedin there to keep the story going
or keep the story entertainingor like interesting.
I do like there is a payoff thatdoes happen where she's like,
he's like, if I turn in one ofthose things, fucking shoot me,
and she's like, We'll do.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:51):
Oh, you're saying that the character doesn't feel
like it progresses, the story.
You're feeling like it's just aI mean, I think that though she
does shoot him.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:59):
I guess there is a progression for her as a result
of it to a degree.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:02):
Well, I like Ty Burrell's voice in the script.
I like having one character whoisn't on a power trip like CJ.
He's just the unjust having theunbelievable hedonist.

SPEAKER_04 (01:25:13):
And a privileged he is on a power trip in a
different way where he's like, Idon't work, I'm the fucking
captain.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:20):
And he just he likes to fuck.
This is fucking too hard.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:23):
I can't fault his for choosing the way he chooses
to spend his last days.

SPEAKER_04 (01:25:27):
He he rocks it out with his cock out, literally.
But Andy shares like he likesfilming himself for some reason.
Yeah, there's no help coming.
We're basically fucked, and theold lady and uh Sarah Polly are
like tending to all thesurvivors.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:45):
Yeah, and they and this is when they put together
that oh, the bites create thezombies, yeah, and then and she
does it, Sarah Pauly does it,and then they're like, Oh, if
that's true, we gotta go shootthat dude.

SPEAKER_04 (01:25:58):
Frank's gotta die.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:59):
And then isn't he the neighbor from Honey?
I'm so sorry.
I think I might haveaccidentally potentially
microsized, microsized ourmicronaut, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:26:11):
Magic school bus.
Isn't he the neighbor?
I think you're right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:14):
But the interesting thing about that though, I think
this is actually one of thescenes of the film that does get
well into character development.
I like the weird, sure.
I like the weird, like we all weall see this thing on the
internet all the time with thepeople who talk tough until
they're faced with the realproblem.
Oh I like the speed andquickness with which the ways
the characters go, oh, we gottago kill them.

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We gotta go kill him.
It's the logical thing to do.
And then the moment they'reactually faced with the task,
it's just like, oh no, shit,this is this is an awful, awful
thing.
I can't do that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:26:43):
And I like the Sarah Poly challenge here, too.
Great, do it, do it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:47):
The poor daughter who is lost everybody,
apparently, but then she doesn'tgetting ahead of myself here,
but then we see her having likethis spring flirtation with the
other security guard, and I'mlike, wait a minute, you just
lost everybody you know.
What are we doing?

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:03):
I'll say that doesn't bother me because people
do weird things in desperatesituations, you cling to
whatever you can find.

SPEAKER_04 (01:27:10):
The fake crying doesn't work for me.
I also miss someone pointed outthere's gotta be some point
where just I know you're a nurseand you see scary things and
whatever, but like the trauma ofthis has I want to see them that
moment happen, and the onlyperson that has that moment is
Andre in the end, where there'sthis a level of emotional like

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ugliness and vulnerability thatnobody else really has.
But I also like there's a hugechunk of the movie where Andre's
like, gotta go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:39):
Oh, yeah, they're just all the time.
His that his wife, right?
Is that the pregnant pregnantwife?
And they're just like, So did wesee her get bit or Ben Cosine?

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:51):
The uh security guard who gets disabled fighting
Vigrames, he gets a nick out ofher, and it's just a scratch.
It's like you're lucky, he couldhave bitten your arm off.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:04):
I do like that.
This movie it does seem likethere's a difference in
progression based on theseverity of the bite.
Like, husband gets bitten earlyin the movie, dies, reanimates,
whatever.
Other like the if it's a Nick,the time it takes for them to
transform is different based onhow badly they're injured.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:23):
Well, they're based on when they die.
So the interesting thing is thisis because it is adapted from
the Romero one, there arespecific rules they actually had
to cling to.
They are dead.
You do not become a zombie untilyou die.
So, how long it takes to becomea zombie is simply how long your
body was able to hold out, fightthe infection.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:42):
Like in the case of her husband, he died instantly
because his jugular got right,right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:48):
I I do I like how clear it is in the movie,
though, because not every movie,these rules are a little murky
sometimes in some of thesemovies, and I like that this
movie makes that very clear.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:58):
I feel like a lot of the movies these days can't make
up their mind whether or not arewe dealing with a fantastical
element like uh the originalNight of the Living Dead, or are
we coming up with apseudo-scientific explanation
like 28 Days Later or WalkingDead?

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:14):
Yeah, yeah.
Last of Us is, you know, it goesinto the fungal stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:18):
Which is cool, which is cool and like very deep into
whatever.
And yeah, it does it, it'sexploring its own thing.
It has really like chess.
I love chess and strategy.
The fact that they're like, weneed a new game, like they play
chess for a while.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:32):
So we get that montage.
I I'm not quite sure how manydays are passing.
We get this montage of themliving living in the mall and
like him playing chess with Andyacross the zombie seed there.
And I like this idea.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:50):
Which I think is purposeful.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:51):
I think that's brilliant though, because I do
think that's one of the things Ido think is kind of brilliant.
They have all this ammo and theycannot get to it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't remember if this was inthe original Dawn of the Dead,
uh, but I like the idea that inthis version, zombies just go to
do things that they did at whenthey were alive.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:10):
Yeah, and that has actually always been a theme in
the Romero version.
Like uh even in Land of theDead, their zombie union leader,
the former gas station worker inthat one, still fills gas tanks.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:24):
Oh, okay.
For maximum overdrive trucks.

SPEAKER_04 (01:30:27):
I was gonna say, I think in in Day of the Dead,
they have like a zombie chain toa wall and they're trying to
train it to do basic things.
I think in Sean of the Dead,they even showed a video in the
movie, play video games orparticipate in game shows and
shit.
It's pretty it's pretty great.
Like the the down with thesickness, and they're like Jay
Leno, Burt Reynolds, like RosieO'Donnell.

(01:30:48):
Oh, yeah, I'm gonna be a boardof it.
So uh I'm going to his show.
His show got picked back upsomehow.
He's got a late night showagain.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:57):
Oh, I wonder why.

SPEAKER_04 (01:30:57):
So I'm gonna go participate in the uh audience.
Gotta be out there to supportJay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:02):
You gotta you gotta go out there.
You know what I'm saying?
You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:06):
I love the man has survived everything.
So if he's gonna be able to dothat, I mean, truly, truly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:11):
I I am supposed to stay 500 feet away anyway.
So he gets his ass.
Who do you not have arestraining order against the
problem?
Any person that's known in morethan a tri-state area.
I'm I mean, maybe we're notallowed to be talking right now,
Stimson.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:26):
I uh no, I keep a fairly careful track of my
restraining orders.
Tell you this for a few.
I mean, this is against otherpeople and the ones I have
against makes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:37):
They have a like a family dinner, like a chosen
family dinner.
And we find out that Andre'swife is like chained up and
gonna have this baby like anymoment or whatever, but this is
the moment that the movie triesto do a lot of lifting in terms
of character building, and wehaven't really talked about it.
It's like I think Jake Weber isthe very quiet, like centering

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factor of this movie where andit the movie very much makes him
Davey Crockett, as Ty Burrellcalls.
Like, you're the fucking leader,you're the guy, and he's like, I
wasn't great as a dad or ahusband, but I was great as a
dad, but I also had to work somejobs, and there's I don't know,
maybe it's it's weird becauseI've loved the Fincher movie so

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much that I guess it's like kindof similar to life, or how this
movie goes.
It's like movie goes in, goeshard in the paint.
This fucking shit is happening,here we go, nothing's gonna
really be explained, and there'snot necessarily gonna be a happy
ending for this character, oryou're not gonna understand
things.
Is these people, even duringthis family dinner, it mostly

(01:32:42):
stays.
They none of these people seemto have a really intimate
relationship with each other inthe four or five days they spend
here.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:49):
Uh Ty Burrell definitely has an intimate
relationship with I am wrong,you are right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:56):
I mean, there is something there, and I maybe I'm
just asking for it to beexplored more in some ways, but
there is something there in thecharacter um like development,
and especially that the leadersnow in this uh little community,
you know, are a nurse, this dudewho's worked like a handful of
gig jobs, and a cop.

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And these are all like workingclass positions.

SPEAKER_04 (01:33:20):
People who work in service-based positions or what
have you, technically.
Like, yeah, my taxes pay yourfucking salary, officer.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:27):
But I mean, like, there is something to be said
about them like being they'reused to this kind of stress, a
nurse or a cop, you know, likethey're used to this level of
there's there is there's stuffthere.
I think that I I think it justit took the route of just like
let's have more fun and careless about that.
Which I'm not the thing that issuper fun about this movie, and
I think you already said it,Stimpson, but this five to ten

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minute short film of his wifegiving birth to this zombie
baby, and the it's great.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:55):
No, no, it's the actors are absolutely
delivering.
Andre's death is genuinelyheartbreaking.

SPEAKER_04 (01:34:01):
You want to kill my family?
Like, dude, yeah, the delivery.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:04):
Like, just I feel like, and so I'm gonna put this
to you two, as working actors,unlike myself, who just cameos
in my own work.
Tell me that it's not the sortof thing that as an actor you're
reading, this is going, oh mygod, I want to do this bit.
This is a good thing.
Oh my god, yeah, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:34:19):
Just this this is how you get Makai Pfeiffer in
this movie, and not as like thelead role, uh especially at this
point, I think, in his career.
So this he's done like paid infull and I think eight mile and
some other stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:31):
This is a movie, and that is Makai Pfeiffer.

SPEAKER_04 (01:34:33):
Oh if you'd like to make a call, please.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:37):
Oh mom spaghetti.
I do see I do wish so the zombiebabies talking about spaghetti.
That zombie baby is great, andwe only get it for a second.

SPEAKER_04 (01:34:46):
But I the makeup effects great.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:48):
I almost wanted it to go full like zombie when
Andre and the older like openingepisode of Z Nation pilot kind
of yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:34:57):
When when the older lady that came on the truck with
Tyborell and Andre, that momentof tension is fucking awesome.
It's the best part of the movie.
He's been trying to protect hiswife, he's been obsessed with it
the whole fucking movie.
He's not in his right mind,yeah.
Some good moments.
He's holding his zombiedaughter, he has completely
broken.

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Which, whether you're a parentor not, Ving Raim's not seeing
his brother, like whether you'rea brother or not, I don't know
if you feel like that, like youneed more of the brother to
brother story.
With this, I I don't know.
I I don't think you have to be adad to be like anybody would
fucking break.
Well, not like holy shit, and Iand the slow-mo bang bang.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:40):
I'm not sure who said it, but I actually do think
that this scene has a lot to dowith the rest of the movie.
And I think that when they arehaving like they show the
bodies, and Ving Rang sayssomething like, There is
something worse than death,because he's staying here to die
in like that scenario, thatthing that just happened,
they're seeing this basicallysomeone slowly go insane and

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fucking die at the worstpossible point.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:07):
And I think they're well and they're realizing that
they have a lot of food, theyhave the ability to survive, but
sooner or later, every one ofthem is gonna go out like Andre,
or something like that, eatinganother tragedy waiting for them
if they don't take some sort ofpro action.

SPEAKER_04 (01:36:22):
I agree.
Of a movie that is prettygraphic and pretty fucking gory
at times.
I find the the moment that'sprobably the most difficult to
look at when Andre and thatwhat's her name, Thelma, I don't
fucking know, shoot each other.
It's just brutal.
And the movie so it does this sofucking often, and I don't want

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to see it in this moment.
In this moment, it makes senseand it has a good dramatic
effect.
But when it's like you see thezombie and then it cuts and the
gun goes off.
And I don't know how many timesthis movie, like Matt Frewer and
other times, like this moviecuts and a gun goes off, and
it's like, all right, just don'teven have the fucking gun go
off.
Like maybe that's more haunting.

(01:37:03):
Like you're doing you're doingthis too much.
Show me the headshots, balanceit out.
Sure.
And but they're willing to do itto Andre's wife, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:12):
I guess because she's so feral, like, and
because he's kept her there andallowed her to become feral, but
I think the way they're doingit, and you're right, that
they're overusing it, butthey're always using it as the
punctuation to a scene.
Yeah, it's the ending of thescene.
In the case of the wife, it isthe middle of the scene.
There is still more action thatneeds to take place in that
moment.
There's the shooting back andforth between the old lady and

(01:37:34):
Andre.

SPEAKER_05 (01:37:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:35):
Whereas any other time they use the shot, they
never go back to the scene.
So I think they overuse it, butit's always meant as the
stopping point.

SPEAKER_04 (01:37:44):
Sure.
And I that's fine.
I don't I guess is this moviesix acts or an opening in five
acts?
It's just that gunshot thinghappens so many times, like,
especially depend-I mean, it'smore than there are act breaks.
I don't know.
The I thought it was three acts.
I felt like it was like fivecloser to five, and I'm more

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than willing to be corrected,but I think it's standard
three-act structure with thesecond act being longest.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:12):
Act one is then getting to the mall, and then
the big twist is when they takedown CJ because when they get to
the mall, they're on their backfoot.
And then act two is from thetime the people with the van get
there all the way up to whenAndy gets bit across the way.
And then the climax is thedesperate race to fit to save
redheaded girl, who I'm sorry,shouldn't be saved.

(01:38:35):
The dog knew the dog was fine.
He knew the dog was fine.

SPEAKER_04 (01:38:41):
I deleted my notes, so I cannot retort, but I will
not raise my score in thismoment.
As you were about to get towhere I was, Ty Burrell's like,
yeah, let's head to the marinaand pop out, get out of my boat,
you jackasses.
And they go over the plan ofmodifying these buses and
getting getting out of there,but they have to get Andy the
gun guy, and it's the dog thing.
They're like, We're gonna sendchips the dog after this

(01:39:04):
football.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:04):
We have to feed him because he's hasn't eaten in in
forever.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:08):
I actually like the idea behind the dog.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:10):
Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:11):
Like a clever, interesting.
What I didn't like is when thedog got stuck over there, red
hair girl endangers everybody'slives, too, even though she has
already plainly seen the zombiesare not interested in the dog.
Just the dog was fine, yeah, andshe had multiple people killed
as a result.

SPEAKER_04 (01:39:28):
Spare me with the dogs and the cats and the
raccoons and the otters and thefucking sharks and blah blah
just fucking spare me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:35):
But you're not a save the cat man, are you?
You're a seeing the cat, you'regonna kill the cat.
I still like aliens better,weirdly.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:42):
He hates Jonesy.
He wants to be that is untrue.
He wants Jonesy to die.

SPEAKER_02 (01:39:47):
I don't feel like terrible thing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:48):
I don't feel like the dog is used in this as an
emotional anchor.
Uh, I feel like it's for LindyBooth, but for that character,
which is dumb.
And I think that like thecharacter is dumb, but it's not
dumb that they send the dog oruse the dog.
Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:03):
I don't think I find the dog clever.
What they did with the dog wasclever.
What they did with the humancharacter, I was just like,
nope, let him eat her, let thezombies eat her.
Nope, I'm out.

SPEAKER_04 (01:40:12):
No, I don't disagree with you.
I just don't like that this isthe character's motivation to
keep the story going.
I'm on board with this moviekilling as many people as it
wants.
Even with the Jake Weber doingthis weird chainsaw thing, as
they're modifying the buses,he's like, hey, check it out.
I know I can easily murderstuff.
And she's like, Oh, this entiremovie, I'm not impressed by

(01:40:33):
that, and still not.

SPEAKER_02 (01:40:35):
Yeah, and they there's this bizarre romance
thing, it's it's weird.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:40):
The romance didn't work, but I do kind of love the
scene with the chainsaw, if onlybecause well, let's be real for
a moment.
That is 100% real life how thethree of us would be reacting if
we were building up our war vanand we came up with this.
We 100% would want everybody tosee our cool chainsaw idea.

(01:41:02):
That to me is a believable humanmoment that I am absolutely sold
on.

SPEAKER_04 (01:41:07):
Oh, I think you're totally wrong.
And by the way, I am a VingRameser nerdy, shitty little
security guard kid.
We can tell from your mustache.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:41:15):
But you're telling me figure.
He wouldn't you wouldn't want toshow off your zombie carver to
keep zombies off the side of thething that you invented.

SPEAKER_04 (01:41:24):
Fucking social cues, bro.
That woman fucking like half adozen times in this movie is
like, what the fuck is wrongwith all of you murdering
everybody?
And he's like, No, but checkthis out.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:34):
When I murder everybody, like I do she does
say when they're shooting peoplefrom the from the roof, she is
like, You guys had like messedup childhoods.
Yeah, she's like, You guys arefucking sick.

SPEAKER_04 (01:41:44):
I mean, that is, you know, she doesn't want to kill
Matt Frewer, she's super againstit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:48):
But the the I I think you're right though, that
Stimpson, in terms of itshouldn't have been in the
script.
Like, the one things that I dohate about, and this is happens
in horror movies a lot, is thatthe plot has progressed through
dumb character, the plot hasprogressed because characters
make dumb decisions.
And like, this is one of theproblems that I have with most
alien movies, past aliens,especially with like Prometheus,

(01:42:12):
where you have these like reallyintelligent biologists and then
they counter an alien speciesand they're like petting it.
They're like, Come here, takesoff his glove, and he's like,
Come here.
And so, like, when she isemotionally compromised by like,
I have to save the dog, which weall already discovered.
We we set up the rules of thisworld, the dog is fine, and so
like that character, then likebasically the plot progresses,

(01:42:33):
and they had they could havecome up with a better way to
make that plot go forward, it'sabsolute selliness, yeah.
But we do get that we do get tojump right into this fucking oh
metal of like driving things,like they have to go into the
sewers, they have to go getAndy, who's gone.

SPEAKER_01 (01:42:50):
Oh, it's metal as hell.
What it the reason they do it isstupid, but it's great action.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:55):
I do like too that he put like he's doing what he's
been doing, and he takes it andhe puts blood on the whiteboard
and holds it up.
And I'm like, that is a coolthing because we've seen they've
established that he's gonna dothe things that he's already
done.
And poor Andy, I wish I I shipAndy and Ving Rames.
I think they had a relationshipbudding.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:13):
Well, you picked up the whole subtext they were
doing with Andy is Andy is thesurrogate for Big Rain's
brother, who he never got to saygoodbye to.
That's why his literal words hesays before shooting Andy is by
brother.

SPEAKER_03 (01:43:29):
Yeah.
But now we get these awesomemetal fucking buses and the
fucking the scene that I went,fuck yeah, was the chainsaw into
the woman when they're the busis like opening.
Oh fuck man, chainsaw throwingthe propane tank and exploding
it.
Fuck yeah.
I'm hearing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:46):
The two most underdeveloped characters in the
script, other than one shot, areblonde girl who gets naked.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Old guy who it's implied mightbe a cross dresser, but it's
also established that the ladywho the overweight lady was his
wife.
His wife seems and it definitelycomes up the whole hey, you
stuck a rod through my wife'sskull thing.

(01:44:09):
Like his people are complex.
His only plot contribution islosing his balance and killing
the blonde.

SPEAKER_04 (01:44:17):
Which is I mean, he did he also serves Sarah Paulie
a paper that says you have tostay 500 feet away from my dead
wife now that you stabbed herand then eyeball.
Yeah, they that hit the cuttingroom floor with the romance.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:32):
I thought that was a great effect.
The the uh chainsaw in theshoulder.

SPEAKER_04 (01:44:36):
Oh god, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:37):
Look great.
I mean, like shit's gone tits upat this point, literally.

SPEAKER_01 (01:44:41):
Um I will say, as much as I did not like this
movie when I saw it as a kidwith you, Ben, the moment that
has stayed in my head for 20years is them throwing the
propane tank, it lands in thecrowd, and the one naked zombie
who's this big muscly guy justpicks it up, confused, as CJ
just doesn't.

(01:45:01):
Damn, that's hardcore.
And then it's like, you knowwhat?
Dude, I remember that scene.

SPEAKER_03 (01:45:06):
Have we all seen 28 years later?

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:08):
I have how of course we have.
It's an alpha.

SPEAKER_03 (01:45:12):
Those giant dicks running at you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:14):
Just fucking huge.
Hey, we need dicks chucked ondicks, also fucking.

SPEAKER_03 (01:45:19):
I just want to, I just imagine that they're making
it like no, it's gotta bebigger.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:24):
The pasta is dick.
I like in this movie that itopens up with the don't worry,
be happy.
Like, you're safe in the mallwhere consumerism happens, and
then when they're leaving themall and it's I'm all out of
love, I'm so lost without you.
And then for me, the movie doesthis like crazy metal shit with
chainsaws and blood flying, andthat woman getting cut in half

(01:45:46):
bisected, essentially, as youguys were saying, is fucking
incredible.

SPEAKER_03 (01:45:50):
Yeah.
I think I wish Zack Snyder mademore movies like this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:54):
Yeah, sure.
I heard an interesting thingabout Zack Snyder.
Uh, when Watchmen came out andthey did the thing where people
would always say, from visionarydirector, whoever, I think being
called visionary was the worstthing that ever happened to
Snyder.
When Snyder was allowed to dohis own thing, like Dawn of the
Dead or 300, his stuff was funand it was very low intellect,

(01:46:18):
but it was just great visuals ininteresting ways.
And I think where we have runinto a lot of problems when
people love or hate him, is Ithink both sides are
overthinking it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:46:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:46:29):
Zach Snyder is not a white supremacist with any
weird, subtle stuff he's put in.
He's also not the second comingof filmmaking.
He's a guy who likes coolvisuals and really doesn't think
hard about what those visualsmight imply.

SPEAKER_04 (01:46:44):
No, I yeah, he's a jag.
I yeah, I think that happened,by the way, Stimson is 300 was
his version of every filmmakerany of us have mentioned with
the style of what dreams maycome peppered in, and people
were like, Yeah, more of that.
Yes, please.
And it became a problem, right?

(01:47:04):
I think to a degree.
So Steve is gonna abandoneverybody because Steve's gonna
take care of Steve as they'retrying to escape and looks like
they're not gonna make it.
And Anna keeps her promise andfucking shoots him in the head
and steals his bokeys.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:19):
I gotta say, my favorite bit with Steve, which
honestly felt like bad writing,but my little headcanon just had
me laughing about it.
He leaves them all trappedbehind the door, and it's never
explained why.
It's not that he went off to dosomething evil, they find him,
he's just flirting with the hotgirl.
That's all he was there was noweird, evil Machiavellian thing

(01:47:41):
going on.
He's just a douchebag.

SPEAKER_03 (01:47:44):
Yeah, I do like that she gets that blast off ties
Burrell's head.
Like she we get that fullcircle.

SPEAKER_04 (01:47:52):
A lot of the headshots in this movie, like
the effect really works.
It's man, I wish this moviecould be made with a resident
evil skin.
Like it just gets that idea ofbeing trapped in an area and a
horde of zombies coming afteryou.
Please, Zack Krager is we'vetalked about weapons on this,
please, Zach Krager.
So they they go to escape on theboat after the final attack, and

(01:48:12):
Michael Weber, Mr.
Weber, and they Jake Weberreveals I was bitten, I I can't
go with you, it's not safe, andoff-screen, he shoots himself.

SPEAKER_03 (01:48:24):
I do like CJ uh getting his full take he
sacrifices himself blowing upthe bus with that giant propane
in the case.
I do I do too.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:34):
Well, CJ I think has the biggest character arc of the
whole film.

SPEAKER_03 (01:48:37):
Him and Andre.
Yep.
I like the end of this movietoo.
I mean, I think that like it'sfun that they think like they
end it, and you're like, ohyeah, they got away on this
boat.
Like using the found footagestuff is great of showing, like,
first off, showing Tyberell justlike still being a dick with his
dick out.

SPEAKER_04 (01:48:57):
The survivors of the Dixie boy are not survivors
because everybody in this moviefucking dies, which I think I
agree is a great.

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:07):
It's not like maximum overdrive where it's
like, yeah, they got on a boatand then I guess you'll it'll be
fine.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:10):
No, a few days later, no problem.

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:13):
They got on a boat and they got to whatever island
and they're still fucked.
Nope.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:17):
Similar to spoilers, the end of the mist can make
this hard choice or a differenthard choice, or whatever, just
like make make a hard choice.
This movie makes a hard choice,it doesn't avoid it like maximum
overdrive.
I credit it for that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:29):
Yeah, and let's not forget famous films where you
think it's a happy ending, butthe characters all die.
The Blue Lagoon.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:35):
Oh, I did yeah.
What?

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:38):
I'm sorry, I had to do a really out of left middle.
And the Blue Lagoon, the youngcouple.
The beginning of the sequel isthe young couple dead on the
boat and then a differentcouple.
The sequel to Blue Lagoon.
So they didn't return the factthat they starved at sea.

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:55):
Wow.
Good stuff.
The end of this movie, though,Paul, that needle drop.
Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 (01:50:03):
Yep, they go with the full-on metal version
because the movie has committedto that.
And there's like, we're goingall the fucking way.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:10):
And the world's fucked now.
Everything like the zombies havetaken over.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50:15):
Hey, not where that sheriff is.
Wherever that sheriff guy is, heseemed to have things under
control.

SPEAKER_04 (01:50:19):
Yeah, Tom Savini's like, look, I'm Tom fucking
Savini.
Check out the mustache.
You think I fuck around?
And people are like, all right,bro.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:26):
Well, we're at the end, so let's not bury the lead.
Uh, we're at the end of thismovie.
Let's see.
I went first.
So I need to see.
Does did my rating out of fivechanged?
I came into this conversationwith three.
Uh three zombie babies.
I I feel like we made a lot ofgood points in both ways, in
both directions, which isinteresting.

(01:50:48):
And I think ultimately I'm gonnago up to three and a half zombie
babies because I do think thatthis is a fun, very
approachable, very I couldre-watch this.
Like, this is not an unwatchablemovie.
I could re-watch this again.
It does its job, and it's reallyfun to see sort of a marriage of

(01:51:08):
Snyder and Gun in a way thatwe'll never see again.
And that's like early gun, andthere's some issues with the
script, and it's early Snyder,and there's some weird visual
choices, but also some reallycool ones.
And I again I like thepracticals and how metal this
is.
So I'm gonna go three and a halfzombie babies.

SPEAKER_04 (01:51:24):
What happens if James Gunn hires Zack Snyder to
direct a movie?

SPEAKER_03 (01:51:29):
It's an interesting idea.
I feel like that would be wild.
I just feel like theconversation online has like
poisoned everyone's brains,everyone, they're everyone's
pickled brains about thatconversation.
I don't I imagine they'reactually a very cordial working
relationship, um, unlike whatthe internet wants us to think.

SPEAKER_04 (01:51:47):
Yeah, I bet they'd have be complete and total
professionals on above board anddo cool shit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51:53):
I think I would I think I would actually love this
because as Ben was bringing upjust how toxic everything has
become, it would be a greatlittle slap back to that whole
attitude to have the two peoplethat have this totally
fictitious competition be like,no, we work together well.
Also, James Gunn is a greattastemaker and he's a great
curator.

(01:52:14):
So as long as he's overlookingthe script and has all of his
James Gunnisms behind him, I'msure he could actually put
Snyder to work on work thatwould bring out the absolute
best in Snyder.

SPEAKER_04 (01:52:24):
It would be a beautiful, healing, unifying
thing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:52:27):
And the internet would absolutely hate whatever
they made, you know, even if itwas the second coming of Christ.
Just to be mad.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:34):
They should remake Passion of the Christ.
I think that's a good call.

SPEAKER_04 (01:52:36):
We got the rights for Megalopolis 2 from Francis
Ford, guys.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:40):
Did you guys notice there was a store in the mall
called Metropolis?
Yes, I did.

SPEAKER_01 (01:52:45):
I found that very funny.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:46):
Is that something?

SPEAKER_01 (01:52:47):
I think that's a Fritz Lang callback because
Jane, uh, I think this was um, Idon't think that's Gun, I think
that's Snyder.
Uh Snyder and his influences,like if you if his stuff where
he's bad in writing, Snyder isgreat at symbolism.
So his whole name is absolutelyburied in symbolism.
And Metropolis is absolutely thesort of thing Snyder would be

(01:53:08):
putting in there.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53:09):
Yeah.
Based on Superman or the FritzLang thing, that's the thing, is
it's like a multiple.
Yeah, of course, there arelayers to this shit, dog.
Ben, yeah.
I need to know your final wasthree and a half.

SPEAKER_03 (01:53:21):
Three and a half dead babies.
Stimpson.
Zombie babies.

SPEAKER_01 (01:53:23):
I need to know yours.
You kind of really want to holdat my four dead babies because
the thing is, it's not a deepmovie at all.
It has nothing to say.
There is nothing that's gonnabring it up to that gold
standard of good horror, but itis a really rock solid zombie
movie.
And I have, and I and if you askme to name zombie movies that

(01:53:46):
are shallow, which ones are asgood as this?
And I genuinely can't think of asingle zombie movie, with the
exception of the ones that goabove and beyond to have deep
commentary.
Of the zombie wannabes, nothingscratches the surface of this in
terms of quality between goodkills, good action, good
moments.

(01:54:06):
I'll bring it down a little bitbecause there's a lot of stuff
that I have to admit are prettydumb, and I think I was being
very charitable mostly because Iwas so shocked that it wasn't
absolute dog shit, becausethat's how I remembered it as a
kid.
So I will bring mine down tothree and three-quarters dead
babies.
Oh, Liberty Ruy.
Liberty Roy.

(01:54:27):
By the way, so slightly morethan Ben, but we're gonna have
to get the hacksaws out toreally slice the differences.

SPEAKER_04 (01:54:34):
Maybe the chainsaw dead zombie babies, the acid
edged blade sword.

SPEAKER_03 (01:54:37):
I will say that I and I haven't seen it in a long
time, but after seeing this incollege, I watched the original
Dawn on the Dead, GeorgieRomero, and I found it a little
boring.
And I maybe it's a need to be arevisit to it, but I found it
like compared to this one inparticular, I found it kind of
boring, and this is like pureadrenaline action fun.

SPEAKER_04 (01:54:56):
That sets me off onto my scoring, unless you
Stimson, did you have anythingelse?

SPEAKER_01 (01:55:02):
Nope.
Uh, for the type of zombie movieit's being, I think it's peak,
it's just what it's trying to beisn't that great.

SPEAKER_04 (01:55:08):
Yeah, I agree with that, and Ben, I agree with your
what you're saying.
I think this is France whitebread.
I think it's so mass consumable.
Night of the Living Dead, Day ofthe Dead, Dawn of the Dead, uh,
Land of the Dead, these GeorgeA.
Romero things, or the DannyBoyle things, or the other
things that exist by otherfilmmakers in this uh uh I'm

(01:55:30):
gonna mispronounce his name,Brava, the Italian filmmaker.
But this is not only perfectlyacceptable, it's a little above
average.
And I could see why a lot ofpeople would find a lot of
zombie movies really fuckingboring, especially if it's like
I like horror movies, I likezombies, just entertain me.

(01:55:50):
And the thing for a long timewith this genre has been 28 days
later, change the fucking game.
It's about fast, relentless,hungry, feral creatures, and
this movie helped set that tonefrom a lot of aspects as well,
and I give it credit for that.
But I also think it aspires tobe more than Franz White Brad.

(01:56:15):
I don't think it does achievethat, but to almost anybody who
likes a good I like a goodentertaining zombies and or
horror movie, and or like quippylike horror comedy.
What what about that?
Absolutely.
Sure.
So I would never hesitate torecommend this, but I don't
think I have an itch to watch itagain.

(01:56:37):
I think it said everything it'sgonna say to me, and I didn't
find it particularly super richin many ways.
So I'm gonna give it the three,we're gonna stick at the three
because it is definitely aboveaverage.
Three ooh, uh, ooh, what uh uhuh ooh uh as I had to break
away.

SPEAKER_03 (01:56:57):
Can you do them as Richard Cheese, though?
Ooh, what uh uh uh I almost gavethis th uh three and a half
pieces of Richard Cheese.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:06):
I was debating his shot, so I thought we were on
the bottom.
I thought we were on the deadbaby thing.
I thought we were on the deadbaby thing.

SPEAKER_04 (01:57:13):
Hey, we can be on whatever we I think it says a
lot that we all this movie feelskind of generic to me.
Whether it was at the time ornot, I don't know.
I think I felt that way, but itmade sense to me that we were
all going with similar ratingsystems because you know it's a
pretty middle of the road.
It is, yeah, and we're all inagreement by far.

SPEAKER_03 (01:57:34):
If you had just given me a short film of that,
I'd be like, this is five.

SPEAKER_04 (01:57:39):
Oh my god, five perfect short.
The the lady not speaking, thelevel of body acting and
emotional acting and bodylanguage, and Mikai Pfeiffer
just like it's just the mostcompelling someone can be in a
movie.
He's so good in that scene.

SPEAKER_03 (01:57:58):
Everybody should watch Oh if you haven't.
Oh, it's so good.
Stimson, thank you so much forcoming back to this podcast and
doing this movie that I saw withyou 20 years ago.

SPEAKER_01 (01:58:12):
We're gonna have to work our way through the whole
collection of movies we sawtogether in high school.
We've got Dawn of the Dead,we've got Baba Hok.
At some point, are we gonna diveinto eternal sunshine or uh
Stimson?

SPEAKER_03 (01:58:24):
I I know you said you don't want them to find you,
so don't say anything aboutwhere they can find you or what
where you might be.
But once again 500 feet away,fuckers.
Give us a plug for Tim Travers.

SPEAKER_01 (01:58:35):
Tim Travers and the Time Traveler's Paradox is a
time travel comedy about a manwho goes back in time one minute
to kill his younger self to seewhat would happen.
Along the way, he's going toencounter conservative
newscasters played by JoelMcHale, international assassins
played by Danny Trejo, mediaproducers played by Felicia Day,
and an unnamed character playedby Keith David.

(01:58:58):
And I'm also in a supportingrole.
It's weird, it's out there, andcurrently we are tied on Rotten
Tomatoes with Superman, eventhough we have a lot fewer
reviewers.
So I think that says something.

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:10):
There's a little, I like that.
Also, want to mention KeithDavid, recent recipient from the
Hollywood Chamber of Commerce ofa star on the Walk of Fame,
which is so cool.

SPEAKER_01 (01:59:22):
I texted with him that very evening.

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:24):
I think that's awesome.
That is, you should brag aboutthat.
He's one of my favorite favoritecharacter actors.
He's so wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 (01:59:31):
I hate the fact that the thing I love him most for is
none of his favorite movieroles, just like he's Goliath
from Gargoyne.
But yeah, Tim Travers and theTime Travelers Paradox available
everywhere.
Please check it out.
And also, you know, review it.
Maybe break that.
Let's see if we can get up to90% on Rotten Domain.
Come on, 90%.
Come on, guys.

(01:59:52):
Let me beat a James Gunn movie.

SPEAKER_03 (01:59:54):
There, you're really talking to the Snyder fans out
there right now.
Uh, this is a gun.

SPEAKER_02 (01:59:59):
This is an off.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 (02:00:02):
Stimson, I'm so glad to see I'm so happy to see you.
I'm so happy to catch up withyou.

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:06):
Our bookend themes are Jamie Henwood.
What you've been doing and whatyou've been watching are Matthew
Foskett.
Our fun facts theme is ChrisOlds.
Our interstitials are thegentleman I'm looking at, made
of ones and zeros right here.
Because we have to be at least acertain amount away.
It doesn't matter, it's adifferent conversation.
So, but I hope you enjoy thepresents that I'm sending you by

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media mail.
It's spooky.
Well, it's not any sort ofrevenge.
Is it a head in a box?
You'll get it.
You'll get it.

SPEAKER_03 (02:00:36):
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unknown (02:00:38):
No!

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:38):
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SPEAKER_01 (02:00:39):
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SPEAKER_03 (02:00:55):
Stay spooky.

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:56):
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SPEAKER_00 (02:00:59):
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SPEAKER_04 (02:01:01):
Well, I just want everyone as we're here.
We were just talking about howuh Zack Snyder is an autour.
What he does is great.
He has done great things, and wetruly appreciate him.
Right?
Yes?

SPEAKER_01 (02:01:16):
Snyder, if you're listening, I respect the hell
out of you.

SPEAKER_04 (02:01:18):
I respect your work, sir.
He's a damn autur.
He's a fine filmmaker.
Okay, thanks everybody.

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