SE7EN / Ooo Ooo That Smell (Guest: Jono Matt)

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SPEAKER_07 (00:00):
Go get your drink.
I just want this for editingpurposes because I've never
fucking heard that before.
Like those two words puttogether.

SPEAKER_06 (00:07):
Will you please fucking Johnno this is releasing
in October, so this is in ourspooky season.
Oh spooky.
So I'm gonna do spooky things.

SPEAKER_02 (00:20):
Oh, I love it.

SPEAKER_06 (00:24):
Go ahead, Paul.

SPEAKER_07 (00:27):
I'm providing ambiance like background.

SPEAKER_06 (00:30):
You're like one of those ghosts that like vibrates
above doors.
I kind of wanted to start thisepisode by just yelling,
Detective! Like as loud as Icould from the back of the room.

SPEAKER_04 (00:44):
Blow out the mic.

SPEAKER_06 (00:45):
I know.

SPEAKER_04 (00:48):
My fiance's favorite line from the movie is early act
one.
A phone rings and Arlie Erminjust answers it, and he's like,
This is not even my desk.

SPEAKER_07 (00:59):
Fucking fantastic delivery, such a funny moment.
Yeah.
I have a favorite line too.
There's so much fucking awesomedialogue in this movie.
It ends up taking over my notes.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10):
Well, why don't we begin?
Why don't we?
We're gonna begin.
Don't we?
Uh hey Paul, what's in the box?

SPEAKER_07 (01:17):
It's a review review spooky season episode.

SPEAKER_06 (01:21):
Look at all those spooky things that came out of
that box.
Oh, there's Frankenstein'smonster.
What did you say?

SPEAKER_07 (01:30):
I have gas.

SPEAKER_04 (01:33):
Ghost have gas?
That sounds scary.
If you had a ghost in your housethat farted and he was like
really it's not, it wasn't me,babe.

SPEAKER_06 (01:42):
It wasn't also this movie smells terrible when I
think of how this movie smells.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49):
1000%.

SPEAKER_06 (01:50):
Anyway, what doesn't smell bad is a review review
spooky season.
Welcome in.
This is the review review.
I am one of your co-hosts ofthis podcast.
My name is Ben.

SPEAKER_07 (02:02):
I'm one of the co-hosts of this podcast.
My name is Detective Paul.
Oh, I'm so sorry.
That's okay.

SPEAKER_06 (02:09):
Junior Detective, senior detective.

SPEAKER_07 (02:11):
They gave me the sticker.
It says junior detective on theside.
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (02:16):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (02:16):
It's your first week.
It's your first week.
It's fine.
I'm not a I'm not like a rookie.

SPEAKER_07 (02:21):
I'm a transfer.
I'm a junior transfer intern.

SPEAKER_06 (02:24):
I'm retailing.
They did give me a gun.

SPEAKER_07 (02:26):
Only gave me a couple of guns.

SPEAKER_06 (02:27):
I'm out of here next week.
This is my last this is my lastepisode.
Oh what is this?
What is this?

SPEAKER_07 (02:32):
John O.
Can we talk after?

SPEAKER_06 (02:34):
What is it?
You might be wondering, it is amovie podcast.
So if you like movies, you're inthe right place.
This is a podcast where we bringin a guest.
That guest usually brings us amovie, something they feel
passionate about.
Uh they come in with a ratingout of five.
We get that rating system fromLetterboxed.
We then talk, we discuss, wetalk about our ratings, and then
at the end of the episode, we'llsee if any of our ratings have

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changed and if we're stillfriends.
And today we have a returnguest, John O'Matt's with us.

SPEAKER_04 (03:04):
Oh, so honored.
So honored.
The excellent John O'Matt.
Two times.
I was researching like what thebest like WWF second runs were
with the title belt.
And there's a there's a lot ofgood athletes out there that
their second time with the belt,they really got to run with it.
Triple H, his second run isgreat.
Like, so I'm just honored to beback and like give it another

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shot.

SPEAKER_06 (03:26):
I mean I mean, this is the game.
You brought us minorityreplacements.
Or that is the game with us,yeah.
Which was our first Spielberg ofthat, of the series.
Which is nuts.

SPEAKER_04 (03:38):
That's why I had to bring it.

SPEAKER_06 (03:40):
And we had done we've done now three total
Spielbergs, but this now is ourfourth Fincher, which is what we
have done the most now.

SPEAKER_04 (03:49):
Oh, that's amazing, guys.
Yeah.
I low-key think after watchingthis movie, and I looked at my
ratings of I have a little dumbdocument in my phone that's my
director.
Right.
Yeah.
No, approved.
Approved.
It's approved.
And I think these guys are now,or excuse me, Fincher's now tied

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with the Cohen brothers as likefavorite directors.

SPEAKER_07 (04:13):
That's rare air.
You know what I realized?
Rare air.
At this point, and we've donenow that we're on our fourth
fincher and we're fully inFincher Fest, people like to
feel like shit.
And that's cool.
Yeah.
Because me too.

SPEAKER_02 (04:27):
So thanks for tuning in.

SPEAKER_06 (04:29):
That leads us right into our favorite segment.
What have you been doing?

(04:55):
What have you been up to?

SPEAKER_04 (04:56):
I think last time we spoke about minority report, we
were just coming out of thestrike.
And there's kind of that feelingof, will we ever work again?
And right now I have uh jobsplural and it's super exciting.
I get to work with some of mybest friends.
Um, I got to go to London thisyear, which was so freaking
lovely.

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Got to hang out with a friendwho is shooting a movie there.
And then I also got to see it,an old roommate of mine who's
moved out there.
So that was just so special.

SPEAKER_06 (05:26):
Um I love London so much.
I love going there.

SPEAKER_04 (05:29):
It's the best.
Whenever you're there, you'rejust like, why isn't LA
walkable?
This is delightful.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (05:36):
Why can't I get on a train and just like end up in a
cool little spot where I can gohang out at a bar and see a
show?
Like truly.

SPEAKER_07 (05:44):
This doesn't sound like London, Oklahoma at all.

SPEAKER_06 (05:47):
Why are you actually a London, Oklahoma?
Sure.

SPEAKER_07 (05:52):
Probably just Texas.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ask Vim Vendors.

SPEAKER_04 (05:56):
And then I also got to go to New York and total
humble brag name dropped.
I got to see a friend of minethat I worked with in 2011.
Uh, he was a star of on aBroadway show, and the show was
absolutely incredible.
And then months later, he wouldwin the Tony for Best Actor in a
musical.
And it was just like the coolestthing in the world to be there

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and like see him crushing it.
So see, maybe happy ending assoon as possible.
It's incredible.
How about you guys?

SPEAKER_06 (06:29):
Me, Paul, Paul, me, you, you,me, me, me.

SPEAKER_07 (06:32):
Oh, sure.
Okay, me.
I let go of my Xbox.

SPEAKER_04 (06:36):
Whoa.

SPEAKER_07 (06:37):
I got it up for adoption.
I see.

SPEAKER_04 (06:42):
Oh no.
It went to a farm.
Then it went to a farm.

SPEAKER_07 (06:46):
Bill Gates jumped over it in a single leap like a
chair, and I shot it as heleapt, and we've cheered.

SPEAKER_01 (06:53):
You know, nervous.

SPEAKER_07 (06:54):
Why did you do that?
I let go of my Xbox.
I got a standalone 4K playerbecause I informed myself.

SPEAKER_01 (07:00):
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (07:01):
And I just want the best possible movie situation.
I don't play video games thatmuch.
I love my Switch.
It's great.
I'll probably get a Switch tooat some point.
But I moved from the Xbox to astandalone 4K player.
And the other thing is Sandcat,this strumpet who is asleep in
her little papoosa.

(07:22):
You know, with animals, how theywe're all animal parents.
They like certain food.
We saw this in the movie TheLong Goodbye.
He has to have Cory cat food orwhat have you.
I watched it last night, guys.
Awesome.

SPEAKER_06 (07:37):
Holy shit.

SPEAKER_04 (07:38):
Literally on to be, I was going to bed and I was
like, Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (07:42):
I was that's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 (07:46):
It's also you watch that and you realize like the
big Lebowski kind of has thesame vibes.

SPEAKER_06 (07:51):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (07:52):
And so it it was just great.

SPEAKER_06 (07:55):
You should listen to our episode on the Longa Bike.

SPEAKER_07 (07:58):
I have and the big Lebowski.
And the Big Lebowski.
So there you go.
So Sandcat, this fucking brat.
She tries so many meat foods, asI call them.
And of course, she likes Nula,like the most expensive food at
the pet store.
And so I I just felt like I wasdealing with the cat from long

(08:21):
goodbye.
And I wanted to mention that.
And I'm so glad that you watchedit last night.

SPEAKER_04 (08:26):
That that cat thing in the first like five minutes
of that movie, that is arelentless cat.

SPEAKER_06 (08:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (08:33):
Like that's a thoroughbred cat.
Like if that cat, if that catwanted to run races, you would
want to like you would want toadopt that cat.
Because that guy was that guywas just all over Elliot.
And it's not easy to train acat.
No, no.
I bet he was just really hungry,like authentically hungry.

SPEAKER_06 (08:52):
Yeah.
Um, so that's what you've beendoing, Paul.

SPEAKER_07 (08:56):
Yeah.
Ben, what have you been up to,sir?

SPEAKER_06 (08:58):
Let's see.

SPEAKER_07 (08:59):
I suppose I will just talk about what was it?
Thir 13 things, something orother.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_06 (09:04):
Well, next month.
Next month is November.
Uh and I am directing a smallreading of Macbeth at the
roguelike tavern in Bernard.
Uh that's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 (09:18):
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_06 (09:19):
That's a company that a friend of mine runs
called Southern Bard, which doesShakespeare uh with Southern
dialects.
It's a fun, irrelevant, goodtime.
You know, it's sort of just likeuh I You said irrelevant.

SPEAKER_07 (09:32):
Irreverent?

SPEAKER_06 (09:34):
What did I say?

SPEAKER_07 (09:35):
Irrelevant.

SPEAKER_06 (09:36):
What did you say?

SPEAKER_07 (09:37):
Irreverent.

SPEAKER_06 (09:38):
Yeah.
Uh so the um it should be fun.
It's gonna be very SouthernGothic uh because we're doing
this.
Is the first real tragedy thatthey're doing, mostly they do
comedies, and I came at themwith this concept of like, I got
an idea for a tragedy that'sstill gonna be kind of funny.

(09:59):
So leaning into some of the umabsurdity of that story, because
it kind of goes bonkers.
And it's in a pub, so it'simmediately gonna be different
than like any other production.
Uh so yeah, that's that's whatI'm that's what I'm doing.
I I cut the I finished cuttingthe script, um and I have some

(10:21):
funny jokes in mind, some stupidMel Brooks uh jokes.
Uh and uh and Mike Bowers, who'sbeen on this podcast, is playing
Lady Macbeth.
So fantastic.
It's on it.
It's on November 8th, Saturday,November 8th at the Roguelike
Tavern.
And they're a really amazingtavern who's supports a lot of

(10:41):
arts and like DD things, andthey're hurting right now.
So we're just trying to like getpeople to go.

SPEAKER_07 (10:48):
You're gonna be able to use the space a few times
before the night, I assume.
And we yeah, yeah, we do.

SPEAKER_06 (10:53):
Yeah, we get to rehearse them there.

unknown (10:54):
Awesome.

SPEAKER_07 (10:55):
Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_04 (10:56):
Oh, that's so fun.
Oh my gosh, guys, that'sawesome.

SPEAKER_07 (11:00):
Now we do need to talk about what we have been
watching, as awesome as it is.

SPEAKER_02 (11:13):
And if that's not too bad.

SPEAKER_04 (12:46):
To to bring it back to what our topic is today, I my
favorite movie of the year, I'veseen it twice, is Eddington,
which was shot by Darius Kanji.
He'll come up later.
That's a little plan payoff foryou.
Um, and I've also been lovingloving the studio.
Yeah, which uh the Emmys arehave not come out yet, but I'm

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so excited.
Fingers crossed, I want them towin them all.
Yeah, um, it's so much fun.
So much fun.
I had a great time.

SPEAKER_06 (13:18):
You're now like the second or third person that's
told me about Eddington.
I haven't seen it.
I really want to see it.
I never I didn't see Bo isAfraid, which was Ari's last
movie, and mostly because I wasput off by the runtime.

SPEAKER_04 (13:32):
It's a Herculean effort.
Yeah, and there is a moment inAct Three where the person in
front of me was laughinghysterically, and the woman next
to him was bawling her eyes out.
It is a it is a ride.
It is a ride that can beperceived in many different
ways.
I would check that out later.

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I would prioritize Eddington.
I think it is one of thegreatest time capsule movies
I've ever seen.
It captures a 48-hour period inlate May 2020 in a way that like
since we all lived through it,we're like, it's foggy in our
brains because you may haveCOVID had COVID at the time, but
like it's it's a little bitfoggy, but then it it really

(14:15):
calcifies the moment you watchthis movie and you're like, oh
my god, that got weird.
That that week got weird, andthat movie takes it to 11.
It's really great.

SPEAKER_06 (14:27):
Awesome.
I do want to see it now.
I want to see it even more now.
It got the John O'Matt stamp ofapproval.

SPEAKER_07 (14:33):
Agree or disagree, this movie does that with some
of Morgan Freeman's dialogue ina way, in terms of like who like
he is vocalizing the darkthoughts or the like or the
reality or whatever.
Like, this is Alien 3 on 10.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (14:50):
If all the if all the bald white guys from Alien 3
were packed into one character,it would be Morgan Freeman.
All those fucking baldish guys.

SPEAKER_07 (15:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (15:01):
Paul, what have you been watching?

SPEAKER_07 (15:03):
Oh, I watched Stranger Things season four.

SPEAKER_06 (15:07):
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (15:08):
I'm very late to this party.
Thank you for saying that.
That is kind of how I felt.
A lot of people brought up to melike, you love Nightmare in Elm
Street, and a lot of horrorstuff in general.
And there's a lot of stuff thatgoes for nostalgia pulling, and
it has varied levels of success.

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And this goes for so much that Ican't think of anything else.
And I unfortunately was watchingthis to like kind of gear up for
season five.

SPEAKER_01 (15:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (15:42):
And I'll probably just keep watching sports.
There you go.
And Alan, Ben, what have youbeen watching?

SPEAKER_06 (15:51):
I have been loving, I've had Xeno fever.
I got Xeno fever, man.
I've been loving Alien Earth.

SPEAKER_02 (15:58):
Is this bad?

SPEAKER_06 (15:59):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 (16:01):
This is bad.
Okay, I'll watch this.

SPEAKER_06 (16:03):
I like a lot of what Noah Holly does.
Most every Fargo season.
I mean, Fargo and Legion.
I love Legion.

SPEAKER_04 (16:11):
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (16:12):
I neither of you have seen it, any of it.
I haven't seen it of this AlienEarth action.

SPEAKER_07 (16:18):
I've seen the pilot.
I want to be the third in thetriumvirant of Legion.
That show is fucking fantastic.

SPEAKER_06 (16:27):
I just think Alien fans are eating well.
I think Alien and Predator fansare eating well right now.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (16:34):
Alien Earth the Pilot is very good.
I agree with you.
And that's all I've seen.

SPEAKER_06 (16:38):
What I really like about this series, and I think,
is that Noah Hawley kind oftakes all of these themes that
are throughout pretty much allof the Alien franchise movies
and kind of dives a little bitdeeper into some of them.
And mostly it has to do with thesynthetics and the androids.
And I always feel like that'swhen the alien movies hit the

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best, is when there's somethingin there about the humanity and
that that goes beyond justXenoporn.
It also is blowing up the worldin this way that I don't think
any of the series has done,which is like introducing new
creatures.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Outside of the Xeno morphcreatures, it's introducing
other alien creatures that maybewere from the same planet.

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Who knows?
But I think that like that issomething that I'm like, no
one's really done that.

SPEAKER_07 (17:28):
Yeah, Waylon Utani just wants them because they
could be weaponized or turnedinto medicine or whatever.
But they're going to places allover the universe to gather
these something like that, andthat keeps going, obviously, it
sounds like.

SPEAKER_06 (17:43):
Sorry, I'm so obsessed with it.
Every time an episode ends, I'mlike, well, I just want it, I
just want to watch another one.
Which wow.
I'm glad that it's appointmentbecause otherwise I would have
binged it pretty hard.

SPEAKER_07 (17:53):
Yeah.
Um becomes a fog.

SPEAKER_06 (17:55):
It's also again like the first time I think we've
ever seen Earth in the alienworld.
Like in the world.
Definitely.
Oh, definitely.

SPEAKER_07 (18:04):
Yeah.
Other than like Alien versusPredator, which, like, are we
sure?

SPEAKER_06 (18:08):
That was in Antarctica or something.

SPEAKER_07 (18:10):
Uh yeah, they're they're trapped in a temple in
AVP, and then in Requiem,they're actually on Earth
fighting predators and humansinvolved.
This movie seven is potentiallya perfect example in lighting.
And uh spoiler, AVP Requiem.

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It's so dark, like someone'sshining a flashlight or shooting
a flamethrower, or an explosionhappens, and you're not entirely
exactly sure what's happeningbecause it's so fucking dark.

SPEAKER_06 (18:47):
So anyway, yeah, uh, I highly, highly endorse Alien
Earth.
If you enjoy those movies,especially the first and second
one.

SPEAKER_07 (18:54):
Yeah, go give them a watch.
I gotta catch up with the studioand Alien Earth ASAP.
In the meantime, can we is itokay if we talk about the facts?

SPEAKER_06 (19:04):
Let's talk about the facts.
Let's talk about the facts.

SPEAKER_07 (19:09):
Do I have to do the set seven N, or can I just do
seven?
Is that okay?
I had an opinion on this.

SPEAKER_04 (19:17):
Please all my life I've just called it seven.
And then on HBO Max, when I wentinto went to watch it today, I
typed in seven and nothing cameup.
S-E-V-E-N.
And then I typed in S E seven EN and the movie popped up.
Which is a that's a problem.
If people are trying to checkthis movie out and they can't

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find it, it's by spelling itwhat should be a normal way.
It makes me think, is it's onHBO?

SPEAKER_06 (19:46):
Is it registered?
Is it registered as with thenumber in it?

SPEAKER_07 (19:50):
Yeah.
So on Letterboxd, the preferredspelling is with the numerical
seven in the middle.
I find that it's very specificin a way that John I like what
you're saying, where it's like,is it not getting the exposure?

SPEAKER_03 (20:05):
Maybe could archaeology is the search for
facts.

SPEAKER_06 (20:14):
I have to mention, we're all wearing black
t-shirts.

SPEAKER_07 (20:17):
We look great.

SPEAKER_04 (20:18):
We look really good.
We look awesome.
Um for the second half of this,should we all do like blue face
paint and be the blue man group?

SPEAKER_07 (20:26):
Just like her so we just keep like a uniformity to
this thing going.
Today you learned that FredArmison was in the blue man
group.
This movie was produced byArnold Copelson and New Line
Cinema.
It is a truly, truly independentfilm.
It is rated R 1995, an extremelytight two hours and seven

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minutes.
Oh, to shut the fuck up.
The budget of this movie was$33million adjusted, that's 68.7.
Opening weekend in North Americawas September 22, 1995, for the
wide release.
It was$13.9 million that weekendit got.
Adjusted, that's$28.9.
Final Gross in North America was$101 million.

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Adjusted, that's$210.5 million.
And a massive complement to thismovie being one movie.
One movie.
Final Gross Worldwide,$329million,$686 million adjusted,
no sequels.

SPEAKER_04 (21:24):
That's incredible.
My favorite fun facts that Ilearned while researching this
movie was uh that budget isnearly the same as Free Willy 2.
Oh god, which came out the sameyear.
What she's easy to get.

SPEAKER_06 (21:37):
Yeah.
Oddly enough, those movies endthe same way.

SPEAKER_07 (21:42):
What's in the box?
It's just Free Willy's fin.
His little dangly fin.

SPEAKER_04 (21:49):
And then the gross, when I looked at like what
movies also grossed around$100million, this grossed pennies
more than Die Hard 3, which ispretty badass.
But like that's domestic.
You think grossed pennies lessthan Casper.

SPEAKER_05 (22:06):
Always the fun.

SPEAKER_04 (22:07):
So like two movies I saw on the theater, same day.

SPEAKER_07 (22:11):
Same day.
Did you go to C7?
No.
No, I didn't.
No.
Not that time anyway.

SPEAKER_06 (22:17):
You saw Casper instead.

SPEAKER_07 (22:18):
Yeah.
Other releases this weekend, theone I would have walked into if
I had the chance.
Showgirls.
And uh Empire Records and itslimited release.
Weekend Top Five.
This movie.
Showgirls.
Too Wong Fu.
Thanks for everything, JulieNewmar.
Listen to our episode.

SPEAKER_06 (22:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (22:35):
Great episode with Rachel Foskett.
A great guest.
We love her.
Dangerous Minds and Clockers.
Other films from 1995.
Crimson Tides.
Crimson Tide.

SPEAKER_06 (22:46):
Why'd you say that like because I typed Tides?
You were like Crimson CrimsonTides.

SPEAKER_07 (22:52):
What is that?
Separate Lives, the Jim Belushivehicle.
Who yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_06 (22:59):
I'm a big Jim Belushi guy.

SPEAKER_07 (23:01):
That's why you love separate lives, and you added it
to this sheet.

SPEAKER_04 (23:05):
Name name of Jim Belushi.
Name of Jim Belushi show thatwent for six seasons and has
probably made him more moneythan any human being we know.

SPEAKER_07 (23:14):
I mean, it's according to Jim, but I would
like to say it's what?
No, it's not according to Jim.

SPEAKER_04 (23:21):
No, six seasons.

SPEAKER_03 (23:23):
Oh, no, I was thinking of Michael Malley, yes,
dear.

SPEAKER_06 (23:27):
I had they do they do have a similar vibe.
Yeah, that's on me.

SPEAKER_07 (23:33):
We walked into that.

SPEAKER_06 (23:34):
The vibe is the vibe is, I mean, I remember Michael
Malley's streams crossed though,because he hosted a Nickelodeon
game show.

SPEAKER_07 (23:41):
Oh, yeah, he did.

SPEAKER_04 (23:42):
With Mo.

SPEAKER_06 (23:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (23:44):
That's right.
And you got the Aggro Craig.
Shouts to the Aggro Craig.
Listen to our fight clubepisode.
Dangerous Minds, Clockers.
I already said that.
Other films for 95, I alreadysaid a bunch of those.
While you were sleeping, kidsbrilliant.
Nine months.
Angus.
Braveheart.
There's free dumb in that movie.

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He says it at the end.
Free dumb.
And Under Siege 2, DarkTerritory, starring Steven
Segal.
Letterboxed average of this filmis 4.3.
Follow us, won't you?
Uh Ben, you you have a dealy.

SPEAKER_06 (24:18):
I'm at run BMC on Letterboxed.

SPEAKER_07 (24:21):
I'm Paul at Paul Acts Badly.
Don't worry about leave John Oalone.

SPEAKER_04 (24:27):
John O's very busy.
It's it's a private letterboxbecause I give my actual
opinions and it's for work.

SPEAKER_07 (24:35):
Keep your secret here.
Keep your secret.
Keep it secret.

SPEAKER_04 (24:46):
That's crazy pants.

SPEAKER_06 (24:47):
I'm always like, how are you like, how are you
honestly giving your opinionhere and being like, uh-oh, hope
I don't work with this person.

SPEAKER_07 (24:53):
Yeah.
I just started following PaulWalter Hauser, who's an actor
that I really enjoy quite a bit.
Yeah.
And definitely a superstar.
He's a wrestler.
Yeah, exactly.
We gotta stay on theme in thegame here.
I really appreciate hisletterboxed reviews.
They are very nuanced andinsightful.

(25:15):
Did you see his Fantastic Fourreview?

SPEAKER_04 (25:18):
Really?
I did.
Oh the the review for the moviehe's in, he said he gives it
three and a half stars,compliments the uh music and
cost costumes and setdecoration.
And it's like, man, when you'rein the movie and give it three
and a half stars, that is a howdoes your publicist not be like,
bro, bro, what are you doing?

(25:40):
What are you doing here?
And then my other weird wildfact, and the reason I love your
Tu Wong Fu episode is peoplepeople will ask you in general
meetings, like, why are you inthe movie business?
And the core reason of why I'min the movie business is because
when I was like six years old,two wong fu, thanks for

(26:01):
everything, Julie Newmar, filmedacross the street from me in
Omaha, Nebraska.
No shit.
Yeah, my mom's furniture storewas on 72nd and Dodge in the
hotel across the street.
They were filming a movie.
I brought them all.
And she loved movies.
Outside where like they drop offall the furniture uh in the

(26:22):
back, and I just sat on thesteps.
JC Penny is coming here becausewatched them film for like three
straight days, 12 hours.
My mom was like, Aren't youbored?
You should eat, you should pee.
Like, and I was just locked in,just watching guys move things.
And I remember like seeing threeladies like walking around with

(26:42):
like big hair.
And I had no idea that it wasPatrick Swayze and Wesley Snipes
and John like with Alama.
But I was like, I want to, Ican't wait till this movie comes
out.
No shit.
My mom showed it to me, and Iwas like, that's cool, like
awesome.
I I don't really get this movie.
I think I'm six at the time, orlike eight.
Have you watched it since likeholds up like that?

SPEAKER_07 (27:05):
Super solid movie.

SPEAKER_06 (27:06):
That's an amazing story.
And I was we were talking whenwe did that episode, I think we
were talking about how I waslike, Yeah, when I was a kid,
when I was a kid, I watchedthat.
I remember watching like TheBird Cage or like uh In and Out
with Kevin Klein, where it wasjust like these were movies that
were like exploring sexualityand gender.
And I was a kid and didn'tunderstand those heightened

(27:27):
concepts, but I think somewheredeep in my like psyche, it's
like when you get to a certainage, you come back, you're like,
What I don't understand whypeople are mad about this.
These are just people.

SPEAKER_07 (27:36):
Yeah, it's very bizarre to me that some people
in my life have said thingsabout let's be specific about
movies where they're like, Oh,thank god I haven't seen that.
And it's like, why?
Why are you so thrilled aboutbeing uneducated or unable to
provide a legitimate opinion?
Like, I don't understand that.

(27:58):
And for some reason, some peoplehave like championed that.
It's I don't understand it atall.
At all.

SPEAKER_06 (28:05):
Well, should we get back on topic here?

SPEAKER_07 (28:06):
Yeah, Paul.
We should.
But I also saw those movies andloved those movies and got so I
we have the birdcage on reservefor somebody.

SPEAKER_04 (28:14):
Just want to mention Birdcage is the second greatest
movie built on a lie.
Like it truly is, it isincredible when people ask like
what kind of things do you wantto write?
One of my first thoughts ismovies built on a lie.
Because when when the audience,it's a made-up sub-genre, but
when the audience shares asecret with the character, you

(28:37):
get to see them spin plates, andyou love them more for their
efforts and you worry so muchfor their failure.

SPEAKER_06 (28:45):
It's just fun, it's just so fun.
Spinning actual plates withnaked men on them.

SPEAKER_07 (28:56):
Uh, you know, and I will say I empathize now with
you, Roger Ebert and GeneSiskel, as this movie was two
thumbs up.
Tomatoes 84%, 95% popcorn,Metacritic 65, 8.7 user.

(29:18):
90.

SPEAKER_04 (29:19):
I wonder 65 popcorn.

SPEAKER_07 (29:21):
Can we can we just go back to that?
People like to feel like shit.

SPEAKER_04 (29:24):
If you want me to take a dump, people like to feel
like shit.
Guaranteed I will.

SPEAKER_07 (29:27):
This episode's brought to you by Feeling Like
Shit.
I got spot time.
Thank you so much.
Zoloft, but the reverse.

SPEAKER_06 (29:35):
I have so much I want to say about turbo cocaine.
But I need to get through allthese people.

SPEAKER_07 (29:42):
So major award wins and nominations.
This did get an Oscar nominationfor best film editing, and that
was it, which is fucking insane.

SPEAKER_06 (29:53):
There's no screenplay nom here.
That's wild.

SPEAKER_07 (29:56):
Um, it's insane.

SPEAKER_06 (29:57):
I'm gonna get through these people, so let me
take a sip of the This whiskey.
Ooh.
Is that a seven and seven men?
I didn't.
I thought we should all drinkseven and sevens today.

SPEAKER_02 (30:07):
That would have been damn.

SPEAKER_06 (30:11):
We don't rarely do theme drinks.
I think last time we did one wasBig Lebowski when we were all
drinking uh mean Caucasian.

SPEAKER_04 (30:18):
It would have been just great if we all poured a
seven and seven into a littlebox and drank it from the box.
If you want me to give you apink cocktail box, I guarantee
that would be a good one.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (30:33):
I mean, how do how are there not like cocktails?
And you just get a cocktailglass that looks like a box.

SPEAKER_07 (30:38):
Seven and seven and seven in a cocktail box is
fucking inspired.
I was ready for a pint glass ofwine.
Yeah, it's good though.

SPEAKER_06 (30:46):
All right, here we go.
Director of the TV is DavidFincher, Social Network, Fight
Club, Alien 3.
Listen to our Fight Club andAlien 3 episode.
Writers are Andrew Kevin Walker,8mm, The Killer from 2023, and
Sleepy Hollow from 1999.
Director of photography isDarius Congey, Alien
Resurrection, Panic Room, UncutGems.
Music, Howard Shore, Silence ofthe Lambs, The Lord of the Rings

(31:09):
trilogy, and the departed.
Producers are Arnold Copelson,Platoon, the Fugitive, and
Phyllis Carlisle, The AccidentalTourist, and Michelle Play, The
Cider House Rules, The ShippingNews, and many other producers.

SPEAKER_04 (31:24):
One extra credit that should be in there is the
29-year-old exec who greenlitthis movie at Newline with Mike
DeLuca.

SPEAKER_03 (31:33):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (31:34):
Alleged the president of Newline at 28.
This is like all the chips inthe middle of the table.
Uh most expensive movie Newlineever made.
And we were given the lore ofthe ending, and like they had
one champion inside the castleon the ending they wanted, and
it was Mike.
That's freaking amazing.

(31:55):
No wonder he's like crushing itat Warner Brothers yet again.

SPEAKER_06 (31:59):
Love that.
Morgan Freeman plays SomersetLean One Me, right?
Lean One Me?

SPEAKER_03 (32:06):
What is that?

SPEAKER_06 (32:07):
Is that our movie with the number one in it?
Yes.
Lean on Me.
Unread.

SPEAKER_07 (32:12):
Yes, that's what it is.
Street Smart.
It's kind of a deep cut,obviously, for Morgan Freeman.
It's Morgan Freeman andChristopher Reeve.
Watch that movie.

SPEAKER_05 (32:22):
Street Smart.
I'll put it on my list.
See?
I'm putting it on my list.

SPEAKER_07 (32:27):
Brad's waving his hand in the air insultingly.
Yeah, but I shoot with thishand.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (32:34):
Brad Pitt plays Mills, The Mexican, Too Young to
Die, and Johnny Suede.
Gwyneth Paltrow plays Tracy.
Posset Possession, thepallbearer, the royal
tenenbalms.
Kevin Spa sorry.
Kevin Spacey plays John Doe.
Peter 5 8.
What the hell's that?
Dad and Inseparable.

(32:56):
And not Pra.
Oddly enough, not Prawn.
Not prong.

SPEAKER_04 (33:01):
Could I add one just like wild fun fact or just
observation?

SPEAKER_06 (33:05):
You have a fun fact about Kevin Spacey.
Please go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 (33:08):
Uh is this the only time that a cancellation bump
has happened?

SPEAKER_01 (33:15):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (33:15):
And what I mean by that is the movie is better
because he was canceled.
Well, I watched it with twoactor friends that are under 27
years old, and both of theseguys they did not know the
ending of this movie.
And as they're watching it,Kevin Spacey walks in, and one
of them sees Kevin Spacey as theserial killer, John Doe, and he

(33:37):
goes, Yep.
And I'm like, oh shit, thismovie is better because we know
he's a real life creep.

SPEAKER_07 (33:45):
When he says, Oh Jose can shake a bat at the end
of the movie, and he's so mad,and I was just like, Huh, huh?

SPEAKER_04 (33:54):
Got a lot of that.
So the cancellation bump, did herevolutionize it?
Is he the one of one?

SPEAKER_06 (34:00):
It's interesting because I think that in its
casting originally, it's moresubversive.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (34:08):
He's more Lester Burnham at this point to the
masses.
Not yet, clearly, but peoplethink of him, I think, as but
nothing at the point of seven.

SPEAKER_06 (34:18):
I mean, I don't really remember, but I don't
imagine he was using themarketing.
Uh and so, like, just kind ofappears in the middle of the
movie.

SPEAKER_04 (34:26):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Roman Plansky gets cancelled foruh, you know, sexual assault of
a young woman.
And Chinatown is his most famousmovie, which features an ending
which reveals a dad sexuallyassaulted his young daughter.
And you you get to that momentin the movie, and you're like,
oh.

SPEAKER_06 (34:45):
But the reverse was Paul's never seen Chinatown.

SPEAKER_07 (34:49):
Not not all in one sitting, not ever in one
sitting, no.

SPEAKER_06 (34:54):
He actually turned me down when I offered it as a
movie.

SPEAKER_07 (34:58):
Um, what did that happen?

SPEAKER_05 (35:00):
Really?

SPEAKER_04 (35:00):
You did.
Yeah, it's spooky season.
Speaking of spooky season, lastyear for guys, Halloween, the
best costume you can run run outis uh the Chinatown costume
because all you need to do islook handsome in a tan suit and
then put a bloody set of maskingtape and like some Kleenex over

(35:24):
your nose.
To be Jake Geddies, yeah.
To be Jake Geddies, exceptthere's one wrinkle to this.
I did this last year.
I fucking loved it.
I was very excited, and I wentto two Hollywood parties, no one
recognized me.
Oh my god.
One woman came up to me andsaid, I'm so happy you're
normalizing this.

(35:46):
And I said, What?
She thought I got rhinoplastyand was like out and about with
my with my like in clueless,like just with the bandage on
your face.
That is no one knew who I was.

SPEAKER_03 (36:05):
And when I said I'm that's crazy.
No, no, no, let me guess.

SPEAKER_04 (36:09):
And I'll already done this 10 times tonight, and
no one's guessed it.
I am Jack Nicholson fromChinatown, and they go, I've
never heard of that movie.

SPEAKER_06 (36:19):
What is such a Hollywood story?
Uh John Cassini plays Davis thegame.
Listen to our the game episode.
Paycheck that John Wu won, andalive Arlie Ernie R.I.P.
is the captain.
Toy Story, Mississippi Bernie,and Starship Troopers.
This was a birthday episode forPaul.

SPEAKER_03 (36:40):
And I'm listening to it.

SPEAKER_06 (36:41):
Uh John C.
McKinley, love a John C.
McGinley appearance, playsCalifornia.
Didn't know that was his name.
The rock off the space pointbreak.
Peter Crombie.
You didn't know his name wasCalifornia.
I did.

SPEAKER_04 (36:54):
My fiance and I, since since we've watched this
most recently, we say, standdown, California.
Stand down.

SPEAKER_06 (37:02):
I think I just didn't keep the helicopter out.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (37:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (37:05):
This is a weird one.

SPEAKER_07 (37:06):
John Doe has the upper hand now.
That is my favorite line, Ithink, in the movie.
John Doe has the upper hand.
Yeah, I'm sorry to step on yourfavorite line.
No, I'm glad it's all gonna comeup.

SPEAKER_06 (37:18):
Uh Peter Crombie, R.I.P.
Dr.
O'Neill, Natural Born Killer,Safe Rising Sun.
Reg E.
Cathy, R.I.P.
Dr.
Santiago, American Psycho, Bornon the Fourth of July, and
Airhead.

SPEAKER_07 (37:30):
The reverse diehard.
That movie fucking rules.

SPEAKER_04 (37:33):
That movie rules.
Reg, the Dr.
Santiago who looks after the fatman.
He's also cooking up some greatribs in House of Cards.
I agree.

SPEAKER_07 (37:44):
Oh, I agree.
I want to say too, shouts toArlie Ermi, who came from a much
different background and reallygives a fucking solid
performance in this movie.

SPEAKER_04 (37:54):
I think he he apparently auditioned for John
Doe, did poorly.
No.
Yeah.
And uh I don't know there's thatshit that high.
I think Fincher was like, hedoesn't have a lot of emotion
and then cast him as the chief.
Inspired.
Inspired.
It's like he bombed thataudition thrown a different

(38:17):
role.
Pretty great.

SPEAKER_06 (38:18):
Hey, John O.
Do you got some fun facts forus?

SPEAKER_04 (38:21):
Oh I got so many fun facts.

SPEAKER_07 (38:24):
Fun facts, fun facts, everybody.
It's fun fact time.

SPEAKER_04 (38:29):
Uh there are several cameos and small roles from
recognized names in this film.
To name a few.
The first dead body in the filmis played by writer Andrew Kevin
Walker.
Goes by Andy.
Actor Charles S.
Dutton is from Rudy and Alien 3.
He is credited as a cop.
Three time, three time JasonVoorhees Friday night the 13th

(38:52):
actor slash stuntman, KaneHotter, performed in many of the
high-intensity stunt sequenceson this film.
Nesting doll of the fun fact ofthe stunt sequence.
So in that stunt sequence, itwas a high octane little set,
and Brad Pitt, he's jumping fromcar to car.
He slips, he falls from like oneof the taxicab hoods and falls

(39:18):
into a window shield, window andbursts the driver's side window,
severs a bunch of tendons in hisforearm, and he is now in a cast
for the rest of the shoot.
My fun fact to the fun fact tothe fun fact is I was visiting a
friend on set in the past fewyears, and they were shooting

(39:39):
some stunt sequences.
It was an action movie.
And the day I arrived, he was inthe hospital for cutting a bunch
of tendons in his hand.
And the production had to shutdown because they had a bunch of
sequences that required himbeing there with his hand
jumping from shit to shit.

(40:01):
And I had just learned about theseven stuff.
And I was like, put this on.
And we watched a bunch of sceneswith Brad Pitt where they hide
his cast because movies are shotout of order.
And so if you watch scenes inthis movie, you can, if you keep
your eye out, he is wearing acast for about 25% of this

(40:24):
movie.
That scene where Morgan Freemanis talking about the seven
deadly sins at the end of ActOne.
There's there's Brad Pitt, andhe's leaning back in a chair and
he's got his arm up, and hislong sleeve is like, if you just
look a little closer, his longsleeve almost goes over his
knuckles.

(40:44):
And it's because he has a caston.
The fun fact of the fun fact islike I got to watch my friend
and the director he was workingwith study Seven.
Oh my God.
And then have to copy what Sevenwas doing for the movie that
they were making.

unknown (40:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (41:00):
That's cool.
It's so random, but I mean uh tocontinue on with our fun facts,
and this is just like top level.
We're no longer in the deeperrecesses of fun facts inside fun
facts.
Uh to prepare to prepare for therole of traumatized massage
parlor customer.
Actor Leland Orser, his birthdayis August 6th, by the way, uh,

(41:22):
would hyperventilate so that hisbody would be overly saturated
with a bunch of oxygen.
He did not sleep in the few daysbefore his work in order to
achieve his character'sdisoriented look.
That guy is fucking amazing.
Nails it.
Nails it.
In our guest episode as well.
Oh, if you are watching thismovie with your parents, by the

(41:45):
way, that's the scene to belike, I gotta go to the bathroom
and just leave while she screamsand sweats and cries like fucked
her or whatever he says.
Newline Cinnamon executivesoriginally balked at the film's
ending, but Brad Pitt refused tomake the film if the ending was
changed.

SPEAKER_07 (42:05):
And I'm so glad you mentioned the Mike DeLuca thing,
too, because he was the, likeyou were saying, the one
champion inside the studio forthe movie.

SPEAKER_04 (42:13):
Inside the studio walls.
And what's crazy is uh, do youguys know who this movie was
originally who was originallysupposed to direct this movie?

SPEAKER_06 (42:21):
Hit me.

SPEAKER_04 (42:23):
From the director of GDT or Cronenberg?
Uh no, the original guy on themovie was it would have been
from the director of ChristmasVacation, the Jeremy Chechik
vehicle seven.
Hey, yeah, he was attached to itfor many years.
And what Andy, the screenwriter,was forced to rewrite the

(42:46):
ending, the no head in the boxending, because the studio
wanted like a better like chasedown and save the girl at the
end.
And the only reason that we gotto see the head in the box
ending is because when Chetrixfell off of the movie and they
needed a new director, thestudio told a little courier in

(43:06):
the office, like, send DavidFincher the script.
And that courier took the wrongdraft.
He took the original Andy KevinWalker draft.
Good.
It has never been reported whothat guy is, the courier, guy or
gal.
And it never was reported ifthat was purposeful.
But like, that's the versionFincher read.

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He said, I love this movie.
And it wasn't until he wasmeeting with the executives and
talking about how much he lovedthe ending that their faces went
white in the meeting and werelike, Oh shit.
It's so good.
It's an older version.
Yeah.
And then they tried to explainit.
They're like, no, no, no, wehave a better ending.
And he's like, I top that.

(43:49):
I mean, and then he read thatand he was like, I don't want to
do that version.

SPEAKER_07 (43:52):
So I will admit the Cheshik Christmas vacation, if
you change the music for thetrailer, it's a very different
experience.
On the seventh day of Christmas.

SPEAKER_06 (44:06):
Do you think you would have casted cast Randy
Quaid?

SPEAKER_07 (44:10):
As every role.

SPEAKER_04 (44:16):
No, if Kevy Chase turns the corner and he's like,
I can't actually, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (44:24):
Yeah.
He might throw in a racial sluror something.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (44:26):
Yeah, definitely.
Definitely.
Julie Luis Dreyfus is the headin the box.
Um, it could have been great.
We could have we could have hadgreat things.
Um, fun facts, continuing on.
David Hinter assumed MorganFreeman would turn down this
film down, but Morgan eagerlyaccepted the offer of Somerset.
Other people that it went out towere Val Kilmer, Al Pacino,

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Sylvester Stallone, MichaelStripe, who I'm not familiar
with, Gene Hackman, KevinCostner, Nick Cage, Denzel, and
Christina Applegate all turneddown other offers for the film.
Del Toro and Cronenberg passedon the offer to direct.
And all of John, oh, I love thisone.
All of John Doe's books werereal books filled with nonsense

(45:15):
written for the film.
It took two months to complete.
They paid the PAs.
Can you guess the amount thatthey paid these PAs for two
months of work?

SPEAKER_07 (45:25):
Per hour or the total?

SPEAKER_04 (45:27):
Total.

SPEAKER_07 (45:28):
And how many months was it?
It's a hundred.
An army of PAs.
An army of PAs.
$15,000 is what I researched.
Nailed it.
Yes.
Nailed it.
They all got a shiny nickel.
They got a shiny.
That is insane.

SPEAKER_06 (45:46):
That's just want to mention so Michael Stipe.
That's uh the lead singer ofREM.
Insane.
That's a wild casting choice.

SPEAKER_07 (45:56):
You saying the Chechik thing that I didn't
know, John O, like waseye-opening to when I was re you
were going over the casting andwho was considered to a degree
and what tone they might have.
I don't know.
I wheels got turning.

SPEAKER_04 (46:10):
This this movie really could have been any
single Grisham style detectivemovie.
This movie looked we'll get intowhy it looks better later, but
like this movie just looksbetter.

SPEAKER_01 (46:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (46:24):
Uh and then final fun fact was David Hunter uh had
writer Andrew Kevin Walker onsetduring shooting in case of any
needed uh on the spot rewriting.
Which is not always welcome.
Which is rarely.
There's an on set painter.
There's an onset painter for formovie sets, like literally a guy

(46:46):
where it's like, we need thatwall touched up.
Because sometimes uh yourlisteners may not notice this.
Sometimes you get on set, youturn on all the lights, and you
can actually see the two byfours behind it because they're
like, oh crap, this paint wascheap, and we only did two or
three coats, and you can justsee the wall behind it.

(47:08):
And so they're like, as fast aspossible, just like add two more
coats, and they'll do it becausethere's an onset painter.
Um, someone might chip the paintwith a tea stand, whatever.
To not have the onset writer isa common thing.
The onset story person is wild.

SPEAKER_06 (47:27):
Yeah.
Uh we we do have to take abreak.
This this episode is brought toyou by Severed Tendons.
Whoa! It's spooky season.
That makes me spooky season.

SPEAKER_07 (47:37):
Not feel very well, but I feel like shit about it.

SPEAKER_06 (47:40):
There's severed tendons out there, they're it's
happening all the time.
But we want to ask you, John Oto give us the log line to this
movie.
If you were to log line thismovie, give it to me.

SPEAKER_04 (47:52):
Like, like if I was an elevator with Mike DeLuca,
yeah.
He was 25.
Set the scene, baby.
Yeah, yeah.
I would say a retiring detectiveand a rookie detective hunt down
a serial killer who's killingbased on the seven deadly sins.

SPEAKER_06 (48:11):
Nailed it.

SPEAKER_07 (48:12):
I was gonna say, please tell me you just read
that from somewhere.

SPEAKER_06 (48:16):
This is amazing here, people.
This is here's the log line.
It is two detectives, a rookieand a veteran, hunt a serial
killer who uses the seven deadlysins as his motives.

SPEAKER_07 (48:26):
Is he a rookie?
I he's a transfer.

SPEAKER_06 (48:30):
They they film him and treat him like a rookie
detective.

SPEAKER_04 (48:34):
Yeah.
I know he's a transfer.
He says he did all this coolshit, but he comes off as a
rookie.
I think he's not a veteran, bythe way.
I think retired is retiring orwhatever I not to say better
than the long line, but likeretiring is actually a I'm yeah,
I'm too old for this shit.

SPEAKER_06 (48:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a senior writist aspectto it.

SPEAKER_04 (48:57):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (48:58):
I feel like shit.

SPEAKER_07 (49:00):
There is, you know, like I'm done.

SPEAKER_03 (49:02):
I love it.

SPEAKER_07 (49:03):
Uh we'll be back in just seven beats.
We're back with John O'Matt.
We back beat seven, and you knowwhat we do here?
We play Cinephile.
Ben has the Cinephile cards.
The only way to slay Ben is toget the cards from him.
Get them from him and let meknow.

(49:24):
I will take care of it.
Ben.

SPEAKER_06 (49:28):
Ooh, that's this is scary.
I have the Cinephile cards, andyes, they are the final horror
crux.
Um do your best.
Johnno, we played this game lasttime you were here, right?

SPEAKER_04 (49:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (49:40):
Yeah, I think you smashed us.

SPEAKER_04 (49:41):
I think it is Kate Blanchette for some reason.
I can't remember, but I think itwas.

SPEAKER_07 (49:46):
I like to think it was too.
We'll have to go back.

SPEAKER_06 (49:50):
For the guests listening, Cinephile is a game
that has an actor on it.
There will also be a movie.
Uh, we actually give Johnno thefreebie of the movie on here,
even though he probably doesn'tneed it because he's probably
gonna smash us anyway.
So, Johnno, I will flip thesecards, you tell me when to stop,
I will show the card to thecamera.
You will name an actor and themovie.
Paul will name an actor that ora movie that actor was in, I

(50:12):
will name a movie that actor wasin, so on and so forth until one
of us fails, and then we willtalk about our first experience
with the movie 7N.
Are you ready?

SPEAKER_04 (50:21):
I'm ready.
All right, you tell me when whenI I'm halfway down the sack guy.
Cut in the middle.
Okay, Michael B.
Jordan.
There's a movie offered there,but I'm not gonna go that movie.
I'm gonna go for Dale Station.
Fantastic four.
Uh that's good.

(50:42):
That's in our fan four second.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (50:47):
I will go with Creed.

SPEAKER_04 (50:49):
Oh, that's so good.
Are we allowed to use sequels inthe CR?
Then I'll throw out Creed 2.
Let's just burn through it,baby.
Creed three.

SPEAKER_06 (51:00):
Amazing.
I'm gonna go with the BlackBlack Panther.

SPEAKER_04 (51:04):
Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_07 (51:05):
Just mercy.
Black Panther Wakanda Forever.
Does he show up?
I'm 99% sure he does.

SPEAKER_06 (51:14):
He does.
I totally forgot until you saidit.
I'm gonna go with the Chronicle.

SPEAKER_04 (51:19):
And I am going to be Sinners!

SPEAKER_07 (51:26):
Oh my god, the vampire that awkward moment you
almost just had.
That awkward moment.
Oh man, I that was the one Iwanted.
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_06 (51:40):
It'd be hard to miss Sinners this year.
That's your movie?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That's a real movie.
That awkward movie?

SPEAKER_04 (51:51):
Produced by the producer of Set It Up, randomly
enough, which is also awesome.

SPEAKER_06 (51:56):
I mean, I think I'm out then because I don't have
another one in my back pocket.
I thought Chronicle was gonna bemy ace in the whole.
Max Lane.

SPEAKER_07 (52:05):
I thought it might get to Sinners.
I was really because I hadnothing past that awkward
moment.
I was toast.
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (52:11):
Does anyone have another one in their in their
heads?

SPEAKER_04 (52:14):
It is, it is the ball is in my court.

SPEAKER_06 (52:17):
No, it actually I already failed.

SPEAKER_07 (52:19):
So well, I know, but it it has to move to me, right?
From him, from him, it would beyou, yeah, because I can't think
of anything else.
So if you've got one, it's yourmoment to shine.

SPEAKER_05 (52:30):
Did we say creed free?

SPEAKER_03 (52:32):
We did we didn't just smiles.

SPEAKER_04 (52:36):
We created I am so bummed.
Yeah, I feel like we did well.
I'm just we did well.
I'm just gonna throw this outthere.
Avengers end game.
I'll go out on a loss, and weGoogle Avengers End game.

SPEAKER_06 (52:51):
He's not in that, I can assure you.

SPEAKER_04 (52:52):
He does not appear in that.

SPEAKER_06 (52:53):
No, I would not know.
He's dead.

SPEAKER_03 (52:56):
I know, but like in a flashback thingy, there's not
an Wakanda Forever 2, though.
Yeah, I know that's why I was.

SPEAKER_06 (53:02):
But Black Panther doesn't show up till the end of
the end game, anyway.
Like, there's like no Wakandastuff in that movie.

SPEAKER_04 (53:09):
I can't talk about it.

SPEAKER_06 (53:10):
But anyway, I will talk about my first experience
with the movie Seven.
I rented this movie when Iworked at Hollywood Video.
Probably be my senior year ofhigh school.
Uh yellow.
You know, I used to just likerent like three movies and come
home and just like binge them atnight.
And I remember because Iremember this movie being talked
about, and I didn't see it at ayoung age when it would have

(53:33):
been wildly inappropriate for meto see, probably.
And then just being like, fuckyeah, this movie is the
detective movie that I want.
It is the detective movie that Ithink is a definitive detective
movie.
And it also like opened up thedoor where I'm like, oh, like
everything that's come afterthis is kind of trying to be
seven in so many ways.

(53:54):
Like, so many detective moviesthat came after this are really
trying to capture that essencethat Seven and even like
non-detective movies, like TheBatman, you know, or shit like
that, where you're like, Yeah,there's there's so much that
Batman is a detective, sir.
No, totally.
He is the world's greatestdetective, if you want to be,
you know.

SPEAKER_07 (54:12):
I mean, you could argue that this and LA
Confidential are two the tworeally great detective movies of
the 90s, if not potentially alltime, in my opinion.
If not Gabowski is murder bynumbers in the 90s, the Sandy
Gosling vehicle Sandy Goslings.

SPEAKER_06 (54:32):
So I I I think I probably would have given it
like four or four and a halfback then.
I bought that movie on DVD backwhen I would buy DVDs.
I did not steal it fromHollywood Video Paul.
I bought it.
I'm I'm damn proud of it.

SPEAKER_07 (54:45):
Was it the clip?

SPEAKER_06 (54:46):
Remember?
Yep.
Yeah, yeah.
You did not engage in your greedwhen the disc would come like
you'd be like, oh no, it'sprobably scratched.
And you're right, it isscratched.
It's always scratched, yeah, andit will forever skip.
And yeah, it will skip.
I think I owned that for a whileuntil I finally gave it up for
some reason or loaned it tosomeone and never got it back,
uh, which sounds about right.
I hadn't watched it in a while.

(55:08):
I don't remember actually thelast time I watched it.
Fuck, if I just didn't have thegreatest time, and I and again,
I think it just reiterated to melike so many things that came
after this.
You go to Netflix now and you'llfind so many fucking dead girl
detective stories that are likethey either go the seven route

(55:28):
or they go the twin peaks route,or they try to ride the line in
the middle, but they're all verylike you can see that
inspiration from seven, and andsometimes they even got that
saturation, that finchersaturation that they try to like
absorb.
And I loved it.
I I'm walking away, and Ithere's so much in this.
I think Fincher is so brilliantin his filmmaking, and the way

(55:50):
that he shows, he introducesSomerset and Wells, and they're
sort of like different energiesand different dynamics.
It's it's so fun.
Uh, so I am walking awaycurrently with four strap-on
knives.
Four strap-on knives.

SPEAKER_07 (56:07):
You went there, y'all.
Four.
He fucked her.
He fucked it.
He fucked it.

SPEAKER_06 (56:12):
Also, you make that and you're just like, this is a
normal thing for someone tohave.

SPEAKER_07 (56:20):
Hey, give me my photo back.
And you're like, Jesus.
Give me my photo back.
It's like, I like my art.
Please let me celebrate it.
If the cops are looking forthat, uh John, oh, you were
next.

SPEAKER_06 (56:35):
I really love this movie.

SPEAKER_04 (56:36):
This is uh I became like the film guy when I was
like 16, and it was truly builton I have seen Fight Club M7 and
the game before any human knewwhat they were in my like dumb
little Omaha town.
And when we completed uh in 2003our historical run, I think you

(57:04):
guys read about this in thepapers.
Uh, our high school productionof Into the Woods, our after
party.

SPEAKER_07 (57:11):
We were in high school, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (57:13):
Michael Benedict and five stars, two thumbs up by
Siskel and Ebert.
Yeah.
Um, but when we completed thatproduction and it was like
closing night, and we went tothe diner afterwards, and then
we went to the, you know, thefriend's house, and they said,
How should we close this partydown?
We should watch a movie.
I was like, We're watchingseven.

SPEAKER_07 (57:35):
You're fucking sick.

SPEAKER_06 (57:39):
Or you have like the confidence of a no, that's like
classic teenage like nerd movienerd shit because you're just
like movie nerd shit.

SPEAKER_07 (57:48):
I did that with interview with the vampire.
That was my fuck up.

SPEAKER_04 (57:52):
It it is truly the movie nerd shit of interview
with a vampire.
It is it's it's one of thosethings where you're just like, I
like this because I know it'sgood, but I don't have the
social eq to know when it whenit is good to show people.
So it's like to a bunch of playdorks and mostly women, I was

(58:16):
like, you're seven.
Yeah.
Also, like some parents werethere, they're like watching the
movie with us, and then likeJohn O knows movies.
Again, I'm 16.
Why am I the authority on whatwe should watch?
We watched seven.
That's a fair point.
I know.
I loved it, I had a great time.

(58:38):
I think people were scarred.
So go back to the club.
Yeah.
I in that moment, I had probablyalready seen it 20 times by the
time I was 15.
I had regularly showed it tofriends.
I went to a boarding school.
We would we had secret ways tohide TVs, like in a lazy boy

(58:58):
that was hollowed out orwhatever.
We would play these movies, andseven entered a rotation.
Everybody was like, This is thething to check out.

SPEAKER_07 (59:08):
I think it's awesome that you were part of the
Goonies, by the way.
I think it's very cool.
It was very cool.
We're very humble about it.

SPEAKER_04 (59:13):
Very cool.

SPEAKER_06 (59:14):
What is your rating out of five, sir?

SPEAKER_04 (59:17):
Uh I I gotta go five out of five, heads in a box.
Wow.
Like it was it was a formidablemovie for me.
I remember this is my little16-year-old brain when I first
engaged with this movie.
I truly think my favorite fourmovies at the time, if I were to
put them on Mount Roshmore, itwas Goodwill Hunting.

(59:40):
That is a normal movie.
That is a nice movie for a 16year old boy to like Shawshank
Redemption.
That's a good it.
There's some we're getting weirdand interesting.
You look number three was seven,which is like there's the knifey
thing.
And then number four was Requimfor a Dream.
And now we're questioning.

(01:00:00):
Does the kid have access toguns?
Like we need to set alarms.
Yeah.
We need to keep him away.
Hide all the prescription drugs.
Yes.
But those were my favorite fourmovies.
A young adult, but seven ruled.
And now it comes with what youjust said, Ben.

(01:00:22):
I think this movie is like coretech version.
Podcasts like serial and theBrian Cobrenner podcast.
And all of these things, this isas wild as it sounds, one of the
most successful movies of 2025.

(01:00:43):
My fiance had never seen thismovie because it was too spooky.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:47):
You ever done anything dangerous?

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:48):
She watched it this year, and she said that is one
of the best movies I've everseen.
And it's because this is normalnow.
Crazy serial killer stories aredone so often and so poorly.
Yeah, that when you see the Imean it's network television

(01:01:09):
now.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:10):
You have network television show about serial
killers.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:12):
Animal has darker imagery.
The NBC show from like 2011 hasfar darker imagery than this
movie.

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:22):
Totally, completely agree.
Mads, by the way, totally rules.
And this movie that we'retalking about today, and Silence
of the Lambs also, I think existin similar places.
Yeah.
But yeah, uh five heads in abox.
John and we have a lot incommon.

(01:01:42):
Uh-oh.
Uh oh.
One of those things is thismovie has been in the rotation
of my favorite four or ten orfive or eight or whatever.
It's been in there probablysince I saw it.
I saw way too young.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:57):
You did Into the Woods as a high school
production when you were 16.
Yeah, you read about it.
Yeah, yeah.
Johnna read about it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:04):
Jonna I watched this way, way, way too young.
I watched on HBO.
My mom and my stepdad at thetime were like, yeah, and there
was definitely, as Jonna wassaying, that situation where
it's like, now's the time to goto the bathroom or have to cough
or have to be like, does anybodywant a water or something like
that?
Because it is so fuckinguncomfortable.

(01:02:28):
I got it.
It's August.
Ah, fuck it.
I don't know what it is aboutmovies that are really drenched
in existential dread and thathave an optimist and a realist.
These things just really grabme.
These two people are both likeextremely empathetic, but on two

(01:02:53):
totally different sides.
We were talking about this withFight Club minus the empathy
part, but it's two totallydifferent energies that somehow
just work so well together.
And I was terrified of themovie, but I loved it.
I I could not properly rate it.
I've watched it a few timessince then.
Like Ben, I have not watchedthis in several years.

(01:03:16):
And like John O, I'm at fiveboxes.
I did not use head in a box.
I was not that brave.
I just said boxes.
Wow.
And this has happened a coupletimes recently.
I watched it today, and I'mgonna go to the Matt for this.
Possibly the best lighting, thebest dialogue, probably the best

(01:03:37):
in this genre or sub-genre ofserial killers, spooky movies
that feel very grounded, andthere's a realism to them that
make them feel so upsetting andscary.

SPEAKER_06 (01:03:50):
Uh and Paul is getting his tendons severed.

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:54):
Yeah, some of the best dialogue I've ever heard.
And this is some of the bestperformances.
Uh some of these are the bestperformances from Morgan
Freeman, from Brad Pitt, fromKevin Spacey.
The score is insane.
I love the fucking movie.
These are three of the best toever do it.
And I don't think we're gonnahave a lot of trouble.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:17):
So hold on.
Can I can I confirm that this isyour favorite fincher for both
of you?

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:21):
For me, you can, yes, absolutely.
Social network.
That's my social network in thetwo winklevosses, winkelvosses.
We're the winklevi.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:33):
One single plot.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:34):
That is my favorite feature as well.
Are we not so thankful thatthere's not an eight?
We do have to talk about thismovie, though.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:41):
Let's talk about it.
Let's do it, man.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:55):
The newline logo, by the way, I think of this movie,
Ninja Turtles, Nightmare in ElmStreet.
I know a lot of people will talkabout Lord of the Rings, but
I've I miss this logo and I justdidn't love it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:06):
Did Ninja or Three Ninjas come from New Line?
I can't.
I'm almost sure it did.

SPEAKER_07 (01:05:12):
I'm almost sure Touchstone, Touchstone.
That's a Disney movie.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:16):
Oh, it is Touchstone's names.
What's that?
Rocky V Rocky.
Rocky Colton's Tom Tom.
Tom Tom.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:23):
Yeah.
Oh, I don't have a milliondollars.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:26):
I thought you were gonna ask us the actors' names.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:29):
No, I didn't think you would name.
I didn't know if you could nameRocky Colton Tumtum.

SPEAKER_07 (01:05:34):
Those guys can really play basketball.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:36):
I always thought Colt was such a nine.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:42):
I have a friend who's gonna get aggregated all
of a sudden because his name isColt Seaman.
Wildly unfortunate first name orhis last name.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:53):
Small anecdote.
I had a uh uh substitute teacherin junior high, his name was
Richard Seaman.
Coming, which if that's yourname, just choose a different
profession than substituteteacher.
Do it.
And but also that's that shouldbe illegal.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:10):
You you should lose the right to parent if you're
the engineer kid Dick Seaman.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:17):
But as everyone's lining up to the city, CPS
should be at the hospital.
The bell rings.
I was not a bad kid, I was apretty good kid, but like
everyone in that class duringthat time when that substitute
was a nightmare, and then likethe bell rings, everyone's
leaving, and some dude justyells, See you later, Mr.
Cum.

SPEAKER_07 (01:06:35):
Yeah, can you imagine?
Why would somebody named DickSeaman be an asshole late in
life?
I can't imagine why.
So Somerset is you start in thiswith this movie, Somerset in the
morning, he's very meticulousand methodical, and a lot of the
time I have been told or trainedlike, don't show people getting

(01:06:55):
ready for the day.
And it's so vital to this moviethat we see the differences in
these characters so immediately.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:05):
The scripted beginning of this movie is a
tiny bit different.
Uh, but before I go into that, Ihad to cut you off because Ben,
for the podcast listeners, youwill not be able to see this.
I am showing him my Halloweencostume from a few years ago.
This motherfucker challenges meto knowing Rocky Colton Tom Tom.

(01:07:28):
I was dumb.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:30):
Oh my god.
That is me and cute an Instagrampost.

SPEAKER_07 (01:07:36):
John Turtle Tob would be proud.
So proud.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:40):
It's incredible.
So then I stand very corrected.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:44):
We cat bombed him again.
Ah do not challenge me.
It's so good.
The original beginning of thismovie, scripted beginning of
this movie, and shot beginningof this movie, was they had this
idea that Somerset had bought acabin out in upstate New York,

(01:08:09):
and he was picking outwallpaper.
And this is the place that hewas gonna retire to.
And the wallpaper he picked, hewas just talking to an interior
decorator, and he picks out awallpaper and he keeps that in
his pocket for the rest of themovie.
And every time he's stressedout, he looks at the wallpaper
swatch as his escape.

SPEAKER_07 (01:08:33):
I like that.
It's like Jamie Foxx andcollateral.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:36):
Yeah, his escape.
And it's not a beach on a youknow sun visor, but it's his
escape.
And they shot, they apparentlyshot him looking at it at key
moments.
But as the production was goingon, they kept pushing the
expensive move the entire unitto upstate anywhere.

(01:08:59):
And they never actually shot himin that cabin.
And so that got cut, and thatwhole through line got cut of
his want to go out there.
But it survives when Mills says,Fine, just go up to your fucking
cabin in the middle of nowhere.
He says he said that to him atsome point, and the line still

(01:09:22):
works in the movie because it'sjust like, check the fuck out.
Like that's what he'schallenging him to do.

SPEAKER_07 (01:09:28):
I like that more Morgan Freeman says something
about a farm at a point, andthat Brad Pitt says the thing
about the cabin where it's likeyou don't even know what the
fuck you're gonna do.
You can't define yourselfwithout this.
Right.
The thing here where theyexplain very quickly, even
though Somerset is very cold,where he asks, like, did the did
the kid see the murder?
Did that is and the cops like,why the fuck is that important?

(01:09:52):
And and we get introduced toMills, who's more interested in
proving himself than anythingelse.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:59):
Did the kid see the murder?
Is so much heavy lifting forscreenwriters.
Because the follow-up questionfrom the officers, I'm so glad
we're getting rid of you,Somerset.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:11):
It's so bitter.
So is this when we getintroduced to Mills and like
Somerset are together?
Because I saw I saw this deepdive into the sh the um the
tracking shot on the street ofSomerset walking and Mills like
they're walking together underthe awnings, under the awnings,
yeah.

(01:10:31):
And it's this the way that likeit's framed, right?
You have Somerset in theforeground, Mills in the
background, and Somerset's justat a steady pace the whole time.
It's like gliding, he's justgliding, and Mills just keeps
trying to like kind of get aheadof him, but then things keep
getting in his way.
Like someone bumps into him,someone comes out of a store,

(01:10:51):
yeah.
Yeah, something just keepstrying to get in his way until
they finally get to the doorframe, and then and then Mills
takes the power and kind of likegets in front of him.

SPEAKER_07 (01:10:58):
I like that Morgan Freeman never really is super
wet.
He's prepared, like he has thehat and the trench that's why,
and all this other stuff, andMills is just constantly
fighting the elements, even.

SPEAKER_06 (01:11:10):
I just think like it's great.
That is such a simple thing thatyou wouldn't register, like a
normal person wouldn't registerthat framing or that, but it
sets up this character dynamicimmediately.
We're immediately introduced tohow this energy is gonna be.

SPEAKER_07 (01:11:25):
So calculating.

SPEAKER_06 (01:11:26):
Oh, did John Do make this movie?

SPEAKER_07 (01:11:30):
I mean, sometimes I wonder about Fincher.
I it's it's so good, it's socalculating, and that's what I
said this to Ben before we wererecording.
It's like, I might be sick.
My dream is like Paul Schraderwriting a movie that David
Fincher directs.
Am I okay?
But for that, thank you.
Oh, that I feel a little morenormalized there.

(01:11:51):
I appreciate that.
But for the next seven days, youremember I'm still here, I'm in
charge, like Morgan Freeman kindof asserting himself.
And I love that he has thismetronome to drown out the city.
Oh, yeah, and the sound designthere is fucking gorgeous.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:08):
So good, yeah, it's dangerously good.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:10):
And go going from that very like lulling you to
sleep, and then the credits comeat you, it's pretty great.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:18):
When we get to the first big dude murder, yeah, oh
yeah, spaghetti man, theenvironment that this movie
creates is so disgusting, and Idon't just mean that about that
specific scene.
I feel like the entire moviekind of feels like like I said,

(01:12:40):
like the movie smells bad, itjust feels like it's raining all
the time, it's like there's moldeverywhere, there's like the
paint's chipping everywhere.
There's this feeling of justlike, I want to get out of here
so bad.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:54):
Similar to Goodburger, I never want to
fucking eat again.
In this scene, I mean I lovethat Joe Divola from Seinfeld
shows up.
Like, I love the doctor, thecorner, whatever that's there is
the Seinfeld guy, which isgreat.
Somerset's already trying toshoe Mills off.

SPEAKER_06 (01:13:12):
Yeah, he's trying to get him out of the door, because
I mean it's that classic, andyou know, and like we see other
places of this where it's likehe sees in him this prove, I
gotta prove myself energy, thisattitude, and uh he just is
like, I don't have fucking timefor that.
Get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_07 (01:13:28):
Very optimistic.
The devil has no power here,essentially.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:32):
Yeah.
I to go back to that titlesequence just for a second, it
just dawned on me.
So many scripts start with acold open where the villain does
a dastardly thing, and that goesback to like Jaws is like, oh,
hot chick goes into the waterand is eaten.
A lot of horror movies have agood first kill.

(01:13:53):
Jurassic Park, the Velociraptor,eats a parkour.
That title sequence is thesecret introduction of the bad
guy.
You buy a half a movie where wedon't know who this is by
setting that title sequence tolike, I'm gonna cut off some

(01:14:15):
fingertips, I'm gonna write somescary shit.
We don't know what they'rewriting, it's more the song and
the vibe that was on ascreenwriting level.
I don't know if like they wrotein the script where it was like,
and then title sequencecommences, and we observe
close-up shots of serial killerdoing serial killer shit.

(01:14:38):
But like, that's what it feltlike, and so when the dirtiness
of when we arrive at agluttonous man killed over face
in spaghettios, you're like,Yeah, that tracks.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:52):
Sure, yeah, yeah, I agree because everything's very
steady eddy in the verybeginning for the most part, as
he wants it to go with themetronome and the whole deal.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then the credits throw youinto a complete disarray of
what's about to happen, and I'mready at because of the credits
to go to whatever place we'regonna be going.
It really does set up thatnothing is gonna be the way that

(01:15:16):
Somerset had foreseen movingforward at all.
The metronome is no longereffective, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Uh, but the the fat dead bodybreakdown, and this is also very
close to getting to this ArlieErmy introduction.
And like, seriously, the fullmetal jacket is one thing, he's

(01:15:39):
great in that movie.
Yeah, but this fuckingperformance is really pretty
fantastic.
So cool.

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:46):
I mean, it's one of those things where you know that
he's just kind of being mostlyhimself, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:51):
But turned way down from what I'm used to anyway,
and and I'm really into it.
I imagine he was turned way upfor yeah, he was in full
military mode or whatever fromhis prior experience for sure.

SPEAKER_06 (01:16:04):
But I do think it is a great casting, and I wouldn't
expect it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:16:07):
I'm really shocked like sitting and really watching
this movie and trying to have acritical eye of like how I was
just like, Wow, this is like a agood actor doing really good
work.
I'd never watched it andappreciated it that this way
before.
We get these these tortureclues, and and that this should
not be Brad's first assignmentin the big city, clearly.

SPEAKER_06 (01:16:29):
But he's had other assignments.
He's a transfer.

SPEAKER_07 (01:16:31):
I mean, he killed somebody.

SPEAKER_06 (01:16:33):
How often now do you have it's always like movies
about serial story, TV shows,what have you, about serial
killers?
You have someone who's like,this is all connected, and then
everyone always wants to belike, stop, that's that can't be
true, it's not connected.
It's like it's like a constanttrope now.
It's just and I I don't know howoften that will occur before

(01:16:54):
this, but you know, here's thisguy being like, This is
connected, and them all beinglike, What are you talking
about?

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:01):
You know what it is, Ben?
There's a line from MorganFreeman in their reign.
He asks a question, he goes, Youfought to be reassigned here.
Yeah.
That sets up this character oflike this wannabe good cop.
And then two seconds later,after they've dealt with the fat

(01:17:22):
boy, the knowledgeable elderstatesman says, Someone who does
this does it with a purpose.
And that means they're trying tomake a point, and that means
this isn't the end, and thatmeans it'll last longer than a
fucking week, and I'm only herea week, so I don't want to be a

(01:17:44):
part of it anymore.
And so, like, because it takeshim four extrapolations, you
understand why he doesn't wantto be a part of it, and you
understand why the rookie islike not rookie, but like the
guy who fought to be here,reassigned here, he's like
chomping at the base.
He's like, That sounds big then.
I want to do this, yeah, andthey get to fight each other.

(01:18:07):
Morgan saying that kid shouldn'tbe a part of it, and Brad
saying, I can do it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:18:13):
He's young, dumb, and full of Richard Seaman.
You're all under us.
He's ready to fucking go.
Like he is, though.
Like, yeah, I also by the thethe attorney getting murdered
here, our first second, no,second, second murder that's
happened based on these sevendeadly sins.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:18:32):
I mean the first time we get the greed.

SPEAKER_07 (01:18:35):
Yeah, and it's written blood on the carpet, and
we meet DA Richard Roundtree,Shaft, who is like, you know
that has very high successrates.
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:50):
I mean, we're talking about shaft, but it's
wild that they got shaft to bethe DA.
Shut your mouth.

SPEAKER_07 (01:18:58):
He's talking about Shaft.
He's talking about Shaft.
I we can dig it.
When he is scratching the nameoff and and Arlie Ermi says
you're not gonna be a copanymore.
I think that's part of the wholefarmhouse or cabin, or like
you're not gonna def you don'tknow what you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19:15):
Oh man, like this is what you are when Wells takes
the office and Somerset just islike, I'm good, and just like
sits in this little corner desk.

SPEAKER_07 (01:19:23):
Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:24):
It's so juicy.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19:25):
Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_07 (01:19:26):
And it phone comes with the office.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:29):
Oh yeah.
Great line.
But you can do game to a scene,though.
Like when you're constructing agame as a screenwriter, it's
like, what is the game into thescene?
It's like, oh, you inherit thegood and the bad of the office.
Phone comes with the office.
I also love that as aconstructive screenplay, this
whole movie is like two hourslong with credits 207 or

(01:19:51):
whatever.
Right around, I talked to ittoday, 23 minutes.
23 minutes.
He's been given the pieces thatwere in the fat boy's stomach.
He goes back to the glutton'shouse, and he finds behind the
fridge, written in Greece,gluttony, which is the second we

(01:20:12):
said read earlier, it's thesecond time we've seen Reed
Gluttony, and our hero who isMorgan Freeman, and not to put a
pause on like the progression ofthe plot, but like Morgan
Freeman jumped at this rolebecause he had been second

(01:20:32):
fiddle for a bunch of people'sstories.
And when he read the script,he's like, oh shit, I get to be
the lead of a movie, and I thinkthis is pretty fucking awesome.
I'm not driving this daisy, I'mnot telling the story of Andy
Dufrain and ThroshankRedemption.
I am the lead of a fuckingmovie, and he was so fucking
excited to do this, and it'sawesome that at minute 23, he's

(01:20:57):
breaking it down for knuckleheadBrad Pitt, who is leaning on a
chair because his pendulumshredded in shredded famous
interactions.
Yep, brought to you by uh andthen shredded pennants, and then
Arlie Ermi is answering the deskphone, but he's breaking it
down.
He's like, There will be sevenmurders, and it's that's end of

(01:21:20):
act one.

SPEAKER_06 (01:21:21):
John O that's maybe the best.
So act is this you're you are ascreenwriter.
Is this a five-act movie or isit three acts?

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:29):
Cleanest three acts you can get.
Okay, it is so clean.

SPEAKER_07 (01:21:34):
I agree with that.
I think act two is very large,but it's crazy how tight act
three is.

SPEAKER_06 (01:21:40):
Like it's does act two end with the arrest of John
Doe?

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:44):
Act two ends with the word detective.
Okay, it's the yell ofdetective.
Oh, hi Mark.
But this movie needs to bestudied.
Also, executives who makemovies, who green light movies,
should study this becausewhenever they go, they want more
of an internal life from ourleads.

(01:22:06):
There are two scenes of ourheroes' internal lives.
There's the scene, the dinnerscene with we'll get there, with
Gwyneth Paltrow inviting thedetectives over for dinner, and
then a midpoint scene where itdoesn't even include Brad Pitt.
It's it's a confession by her ata diner, uh, and we'll get

(01:22:28):
there.
But there are two B-story scenesthat add so much life to this
movie, and that's all you need.

SPEAKER_07 (01:22:36):
I agree.
I think it's really cool alsothat he was so ready to jump on
this in terms of a starringvehicle because he is so
insanely smart.
The character is really welleducated and calm and patient,
and all these things that you'dwant a person doing this job to
be, his approach to it is sogreat.

(01:22:59):
When he is going over theParadise Lost stuff, and it's
like it's a beginning, this iswhat it means.
He has a level of confidence asan actor and as the character
that when when he does the thehang-up too, I I I can't mention
it enough.
But when he gets to the library,because he wants to educate
himself and understandeverything, and he is he doesn't

(01:23:22):
know what he is without doingthis.
But when one of our more recentepisodes was Speed, forget the
name of the actor who played thebus driver and speed, he's the
head security guard here and hecranks up.
I think it's Bach.
How's this for culture?
I fucking love that scene.
I love that he's a foreverstudent, he's always an

(01:23:42):
observer, and and and it cuts toPitt who wants to take shortcuts
to everything.
He's like he's a he's kind of aan overly optimistic, like dumb
shit who believes in too much ofthe juice that he got from
whatever point in his previouslife situation.
And he gets the cliff notes fromthe guy, and he's like, fucking
Dante, piece of shit, poetry.

(01:24:04):
And it's just like, no, man, youcan this guy, you should be at
the altar of this guy doingeverything this guy's doing if
you can.
It would end in your divorce.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:15):
But I just googled the name Speed Seven Actor.
His name is Hawthorne James.
What a good name.

SPEAKER_07 (01:24:24):
A good wrong great name, very solid character actor
in these two movies, especiallythat we just talked about.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:32):
So when he looks over the balcony, I just watched
this movie last year with myfiance, and that scene in
particular, that library scene,she paused the movie and she
said, Is this the best lookingmovie ever?

SPEAKER_07 (01:24:48):
I'm with that.
The lighting in this movie isinsane.
The detail that exists indarkness, none of that exists in
any other thing I can put myfinger on.
So I'm I'm with your fiance onthat.
I I also love I think theGwyneth Baltro performance is
really good and approachable.
And like the dinner at theMills' house, they exchange

(01:25:10):
names and he says, It's William,and she says, That's a good
name.
By the way, Brad Pitt's firstname is William, which I find
funny.
It is it is his real first nameis William.
Oh William Bradley Pitt.
The line from Morgan Freemanasking, How do you like it here
to the wife?
And then Brad takes over.

(01:25:32):
It takes time.
Like, we'll we'll get there.
He doesn't like want to let herspeak.
I think partially because heknows that Somerset is probably
going to like lean into some ofthe things she's gonna say.

SPEAKER_06 (01:25:46):
Well, it seems like she's like reaching out for
connection.

SPEAKER_07 (01:25:49):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 (01:25:50):
Somerset is offering that in an interesting way.
It seems like she kind of livesisolated in this kind of
fishbowl with the dogs, and thatthat's his world that he keeps
separate.
He's compartmentalized it awayin a way, so that it's not part
of the shit that he is dealingwith.

SPEAKER_07 (01:26:10):
That's so I'm sorry to interrupt you.
You just sparked something inme, though, when you say
compartmentalized, he's stillwilling to engage in levity, he
wants to talk about things orwhatever that aren't the job.
He wants to engage with her, askher questions, get real
feelings.
I think that's something thatreally hit home there when you
were talking about the way hecompartmentalizes and separates

(01:26:32):
work and life.

SPEAKER_04 (01:26:33):
The the dogs also he wrestles with dogs on the paper
they've been peeing and shittingon.
You don't do that?
I currently don't do it.
You don't love your pets, Jana?
I don't love my pets.
I may not just be a knuckleheaddetective, but like that is such
a telling characteristic tostart act two where you're just

(01:26:57):
like, oh, this guy wrestles withhis dogs in the piss poop shit
room.
Like it's it's such a goodlittle character touch.

SPEAKER_06 (01:27:07):
Yeah, um, in juxtaposition to this guy who's
like going to libraries in themiddle of the night and winning.

SPEAKER_04 (01:27:13):
Exactly.
When Somerset those those areback to back, yeah.
It's this very dark library, boxplaying, and then it's this the
vibrating home.

SPEAKER_06 (01:27:25):
He's kind of a meathead, and it was kind of a
meathead.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:28):
Yeah.
Well when Somerset is superengrossed in looking over the
evidence from the Greed case,and Brad Pitt hands him the
glass full of wine, he doesn'treact at all, and he reacts
later at the end of that scene.
Like, why am I holding a fuckingpint glass of wine?
Like, I I love that he nevernotices.

(01:27:48):
He's so locked into what he'sdoing.

SPEAKER_06 (01:27:50):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:51):
It really sells that he is so ingrained in this job.
The way he explains just some ofthe darkness of life, yell fire,
not help.
People are more likely to turnaway at that.
And he just he talks about likedark, very dark shit that feels
realistic.
He doesn't feel nihilistic, hedoesn't feel like a pessimist,
he feels like a realist.

SPEAKER_06 (01:28:13):
Yeah, that's how it closes to me.
He feels like someone who'sdoing the job, like at this
point, especially with thiscase, he feels like someone
who's doing it because it's sucha core part of him and he knows
that he's good at it.
He can't really escape that.
While, like, the the counter tothat, right, is that Brad Pitt
wants to be good at it.
He wants to, but he doesn't wantto do he doesn't he doesn't want

(01:28:37):
to do all the same amount ofwork.
I mean, a lot of what John Doesays to him at the end isn't
necessarily wrong.

SPEAKER_07 (01:28:44):
I think Brad Pitt has fallen into a lot of things
or had a lot of things likethings that came easily to him
in some way, shape, or formearlier in life, and this is a
taste of what it's really like.
Yeah, I agree with you.

SPEAKER_06 (01:28:58):
So is the lust is that next?

SPEAKER_07 (01:29:00):
We get the kind of upside down painting thing with
the traumatized wife, right?
And they examine it with theblack light, and the shots and
the the way you go in and out ofthe prints and from different
perspectives, the perspective ofthe fucking wall.
It's so great.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:17):
I learned more about directing in the moment where
they are looking at the wall asthe the black light is on them,
and Brad Pitt just goes, Haveyou ever seen anything fucking
like this?
Yeah, and Mario Freeman'sshaking his head, and they're
looking at something that wehave not yet seen.

(01:29:39):
This is a classic filmmakingtechnique, yeah.
But in that I remember the firsttime I saw this movie, I was
like, I have not wanted to seesomething more in my entire
fucking life than whateverthey're looking at right now.
And Spielberg uses thistechnique with the shark and
like all the shit, but in thatmoment.

(01:30:00):
Because it's a detective story.
It is Jurassic Park.
All those movies, it is aclassic thing.
But in that moment, you're like,what the fuck could be on that
wall?
Sure enough, they surprise us.

SPEAKER_07 (01:30:14):
Using it in a trailer is brilliant.
It really hooks you.
So good.
And the it is so good.
As you're saying, something wetalk about a lot on this
podcast, this movie is a perfectexample of show me, don't tell
me, and showing you at the righttime.
The reveals are so the editing,thankfully, was at least

(01:30:35):
properly somewhat recognized.
But so many of these promisingclues only lead to others.
I love that Somerset is settinghim up for the grind all the
fucking time.
And it then transitions to adude who doesn't seem like our
guy, does he?
Our killer seems to have morepurpose.
But like the way that the copcar is mobilized, the way that's

(01:30:59):
directed, it's like fuckingsparkle motion, SWAT team, let's
roll.
Everybody is fucking flyingaround.
Like that California is on thecase.
Dude, this one scene it shows methat Fincher, it's like, dude,
this guy's a fucking greataction director.
I wish there was something likethis in Alien 3.
That's as exciting and as tightas this.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:20):
Yeah.
When they're when they arrive atSloth, it is it is one of those
things where oh my god.
Every single shot.
Because they use theexpectations.
Yeah.
They use the expectations of theaudience.

(01:31:40):
We're like, we're going to find.
We're only we're only halfwaythrough this movie, we're going
to find the killer.
And he has been, as to put it inBrad Pitt's own voice later in
the movie, he's beenmasturbating in his own feces.
We do not know who we're goingto find.
Buckle the fuck up.
And so when we find a dead bodyin a fucking dead hus-filled

(01:32:06):
mattress, you're like, what thefuck am I going to do?
My favorite thing to do whenshowing this to people is kind
of just side-eye them when thatdead body is laying there
because it's presented as dead.
Right, absolutely.
And the best jump scare for allof spooky season.
I don't know what's incompetition.

(01:32:29):
But but that motherfucking85-pound actor going, yeah,
human beings.

SPEAKER_06 (01:32:36):
When you do the so when you do what we call in my
family is the look back, becausemy brother would famously show
us a movie that he's seenbefore, and then he would like
wait for a moment and stare atus, and I would be like, You
have to stop doing that.
So, Johnno, you must be veryskilled at doing the look back

(01:32:56):
so that people don't rec realizethat you're looking at them
while they're watching themovie.

SPEAKER_04 (01:33:01):
So I may not be skilled because I just went to
the movie Weapons with a verydear friend of mine.

SPEAKER_06 (01:33:08):
Uh huh.

SPEAKER_04 (01:33:09):
I was warned this is a very scary movie, and my
friend he had heard the pitchfrom four weapons from Zach
Krager.
He had helped develop the scriptfor this movie.
He had worked on this movie foryears.
He had gone to this the premiereof it.
And now I get to go to AMC andBurbank with him.

(01:33:30):
And he did the most obvious lookback.
I'm I'm like NFL Scouts wouldwould call it a full 180.
Like his shoulders fully lookedbehind him, squared up, looked
all the way back.
And when he did that, I justcovered my eyes because I was
like, oh, scary shit's about tohappen.

(01:33:52):
And that look back saved me.
I love weapons because my lovelyknuckle-headed friend had the
worst look back game ever.
And only in that moment did Irealize I was like, every time
I've watched seven, I'veprobably blown.
There's been a little scare.

(01:34:12):
Yeah.
I had no idea that it could bethat obvious.

SPEAKER_07 (01:34:16):
I want to say really quick weapons in competition
with May December for greatestmoment with hot dogs.
And I love the hot dog callbackto the whitest kids you know
that that is.
It's so fucking great.
I was the the one wacko in thetheater, like at that moment,
and like literally everybody'slike, what the fuck is and then

(01:34:36):
you went and bought seven hotdogs.
I did.
I don't think we have enough hotdogs, and the fact that she was
worried is insane.
With the car ride over, Millstells Somerset that he killed
someone, he can't even remembertheir name.
Yeah, but he killed someone, andin the raid of this actor's dead

(01:35:01):
body, but not dead, desiccatedbody, and all the air fresheners
everywhere.
The fact that the SWAT teamsparkle motion folks have lasers
on their shotguns is clearlyonly for atmosphere.
It works, but it's only foratmosphere.

SPEAKER_06 (01:35:16):
That's that is a page straight out of like
Terminator 2 or Aliens, man.
Like you gotta have lasersgoing.

SPEAKER_04 (01:35:23):
You gotta have lasers.
Lasers! The I've killed someone,I don't remember their name,
reminds me.
It's a George Glass like flex.

SPEAKER_07 (01:35:33):
So it's so good.
What do you mean by that is?
I love that.
It's he's so casual.

SPEAKER_04 (01:35:38):
And I don't believe he's ever killed somebody.
This is my read of the movie.
He is trying to impress upon hispartner on day three.
I do cool shit.
The phonator of I don't remembertheir name.
It's like, oh, I slept with thisgirl in Tijuana.
I don't, God, best lay of mylife.
I don't remember her name.

(01:35:59):
It's like Tom Cruise in thefight.
I didn't buy it.
Yes.
I don't, I don't totally buy itbecause he is very obvious with
all pieces of himself.
And I felt like that was alittle like, ah, you're trying,
you're trying to act cool.
I yeah, isn't performative to mein a good way.

SPEAKER_07 (01:36:21):
No, I I really love that Summer said that this is
the moment where Morgan Freemanis like, yeah, I've had to three
times have I had to like draw mygun, never with the intention or
want of using it.
And fucking Brad Pitt's like,yeah, I killed a guy.
I don't remember.
And it's it's so good atcompounding how different they

(01:36:42):
are in these moments and justhow fucking tolerant Somerset
is.
And I think that is the key whenSpacey comes in as the reporter.
We don't see his face, we justhear the voice, and he's taking
photos of people.
And I know I'm revealing thistoo early because of course the
police don't know who this guyis, he's just taking their
photo, and Morgan Freeman, youknow, tells Brad Pitt, you want

(01:37:08):
to know how they get here soquick, is because they pay
people within the policedepartment to get information,
and he's not key to the movie,yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:37:17):
I also do you think so become wrath, David?
I can no longer remember, and Idon't know if there was ever a
time that I didn't know thatKevin Spacey was the bad guy.
And I would be curious if anyonewatched this for the first time,
didn't know that and saw thatperson and could tell that was
Kevin Spacey.

SPEAKER_04 (01:37:39):
I had no idea.
My fiance may kill me forsharing this story.
When the voice comes on later,now we're jumping so far ahead.
Sure.
There is a moment later in acttwo where John Doe calls them
and my fiance goes, Oh, that'sJoey Pants.
Joey, uh Joe Panaliano.

SPEAKER_07 (01:37:59):
Yeah, from Risky Business and The Matrix.

SPEAKER_04 (01:38:01):
Yeah.
She's like, Oh, I know thatvoice.
That's him.
And then um, I was like,interesting.
I watched it together.
I was like, Yep, yep, I'm gonnalet you think that because in my
head I was like, I'll let herthink that so that the payoff is
better because it's anOscar-winning payoff.

(01:38:22):
And then Spacey rolls up, it's apet.
Dude, eight-year-olds, dude.
Eight year old, but then KevinSpacey rolls up and he's like
detective and all this shit.
My fiance is just like standingthere, like, yeah, okay, moving
on, moving on.
And I had to check in with her.

(01:38:42):
I was like, it is Kevin Spacey,and she's like, No, I know that
he's he's a stand-in for JoePandiliano, like he's a crazy
person doing the job for JoeyPants, and I was like, Oh no.
So, right up until like the end,she thought Joey Pants was gonna
pop up out of nowhere and belike, I'm the big bad

(01:39:04):
motherfuckers.
Oh my god, and it was I lovethat.
I'm so interested in pullingwhat takes this movie so deeply
unimpressed with Kevin Spacey'sperformance because she thought
he was a Patsy.

SPEAKER_06 (01:39:20):
Could you imagine though in 1995 casting Kevin
Spacey to be the Patsy?
And then you're like, nope,here's the real reveal, and
everyone's like, Oh Joey Pants.
Joey Pants.
Like Joey Pantellone is fine,but you're like, Kevin Space,
what?

SPEAKER_07 (01:39:35):
But do you know his career trajectory at that point?

SPEAKER_04 (01:39:39):
Usual suspects.

SPEAKER_07 (01:39:40):
Usual suspects is the only yeah, and swimming with
sharks.

SPEAKER_04 (01:39:43):
So that was after prior to uh accepting this role,
he looked at his calendar ofmovies that were coming out.
None of them had been released.
So he knew and his agent knew inThe Hopper is Swimming with
Sharks, Outbreak, UnusualSuspect.

(01:40:06):
So when they accepted thismovie, they knew I am going to
be a household name.
Wow.
He felt it, and his agent wascorrect, and he was correct, and
so they chose if we decide to bein this movie, we will not be a
part of marketing becausethat'll blow it.
Because this is coming out afterall that.

(01:40:28):
They shot this movie with adifferent actor, an actor that
has never been publicized.
They tried the no-name actor.
What if we got somebody that noone knew, literally with zero
credits, and we tried him asJohn Doe, and they they all

(01:40:49):
liked him?
Timothy Chalamet.
Um, but they tried him and theyshot a few days with him, didn't
work, and they asked KevinSpacey's agent on a Friday, can
you bring Kevin to set byTuesday and to replace this guy?

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:11):
How stolen great.

SPEAKER_07 (01:41:13):
I just can't believe I can't believe it's already
shot a lot of scenes.
Yeah, I didn't know any of this.
Tracy Wilde calls Somerset forbreakfast and uh reveals they
came from upstate, which I thinkis so brilliant because they
never define the city they'rein, even though there's rumors
it's Gotham before Batman, andlike there's all these crazy

(01:41:34):
theories all over the internet.
But it is great that when yousay upstate somewhere, they
could now be in Chicago orDetroit or Philly or New York
City or Los Angeles or likeanywhere in the southern end of
a state in a big city.
And I think that's great themost.
It's a simstate it is bring theother way.
And for her to tell Somersetshe's pregnant.

SPEAKER_06 (01:41:53):
I definitely canoned it as New York.
I don't know why.

SPEAKER_07 (01:41:57):
Oh, yeah, of course.
Makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 (01:42:00):
Andrew Kevin Walker moved to New York in 1987 and he
fucking hated it.
He felt it was the darkestplace, and he wrote this movie
about being homesick in NewYork.
And he feels to this day thatshe represents his emotion of
New York the most.

SPEAKER_06 (01:42:19):
That's amazing.

SPEAKER_04 (01:42:20):
Um he said that in interviews.
I'm not breaking news.
What I think is also fuckingawesome about that midpoint
scene.
When you look at it from ascreenwriting perspective, we've
had one scene with thischaracter.
One.
Right.
She is a person reaching out forconnection.
The fun and games of this movieis what if my wife forced us to

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interact with each other outsidethe office?
That is the quote unquote funand games in the McKee version
of screenwriting, page 25 to 35.
That's that scene.
And then that comes back and shesays, Hey, I'm also the midpoint
of the movie.
I'm pregnant.
We're gonna be stuck here unlessI can convince my husband

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otherwise, and I have no oneelse to tell.
That deepens every relationshipin this movie.

SPEAKER_07 (01:43:14):
It's a brilliant script.
Yeah, the delivery is amazing.
And Freeman then accepting thetrust that she's extending him
and extending similar trust andsaying his story, telling his
story, I wore her down, liketalking about convincing the
woman he was with to have anabortion.

(01:43:34):
And he says it was the rightdecision, but I wish I made a
different choice, and howcomplex just fucking existence
is, and how exhausting and darkit is.
I just I I love this script,it's so good, it's so good.

SPEAKER_04 (01:43:49):
And I do, I do think it was weird by Andy Kevin
Walker to include at the end ofthe scene, she says, Will you
invest in goop?
And goop didn't exist yet.

SPEAKER_07 (01:43:59):
And she set the candle on the table.

SPEAKER_04 (01:44:02):
She said, This is my pussy.

SPEAKER_07 (01:44:06):
I feel sick.
It's fun.
I feel like shit.
I feel like shit.

SPEAKER_06 (01:44:11):
It's funny.
Every time my wife orders goop,I'm just like, What's in the
box?

SPEAKER_07 (01:44:16):
What's in the box?
Is the pussy box?

SPEAKER_06 (01:44:19):
The can you name the five movies that were nominated
for best original screenplay inthis year?

SPEAKER_07 (01:44:26):
This and only confidential, guys.

SPEAKER_04 (01:44:29):
Can I just say this was gonna be my follow-up at the
end of the whole thing?
I have my own ranking oforiginal and adapted.
I know usual suspect won thisyear, which is awesome.
Good for Kevin Spacey and hiswhoop-dee-woop.
I'm secretly the give me thekeys, crack second, what the
fuck?

SPEAKER_06 (01:44:48):
Chris McCorry.

SPEAKER_04 (01:44:49):
It's good.
Mini Keys, motherfucker.
I think Braveheart was alsonominated.
Toy Story should have beennominated, was it?

SPEAKER_06 (01:44:58):
Ooh.
Oh, was it?
In original.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:01):
In original?
I'll just keep going on mylittle tirade of best original
screenplays.
What I would have nominated if Ihad been there was Toy Story,
Usual Suspects, Braveheart, DieHard 3.
Simon says automatically winningOscar.
But the winner of 1995 BestOriginal Screenplay should have

(01:45:25):
been seven.
I agree.

SPEAKER_07 (01:45:38):
And when he says he's not Yoda, it's like, of
course, Mills thinks of Yoda asthe wisest fucking guy in the
world.
The FBI guy, too, who I can'tremember that character actor's
name, but he's so great whenthey meet for pizza.
Oh, Mark Boone Jr.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:52):
Dude, he's fucking great.
Mark Boone Jr.
I worked on Sons of Anarchy withhim.

SPEAKER_06 (01:45:57):
Just to say Toy Story was nominated.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:59):
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (01:46:00):
Do you know who's on the whose names are on
screenplay for Toy Story?

SPEAKER_04 (01:46:05):
No.
I can say one Lassiter is.
I get can I give a shot at this?
I think there's five.
Uh one Lassiter Stanton.
Doctor.
Joss Whedon.
Yeah.
Joel Cohen, but not the one youthink.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
And then I put the end.

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So Doctor.
I don't know the different.

SPEAKER_06 (01:46:29):
Alex Socolo.

SPEAKER_04 (01:46:30):
I have no idea who that is.
Oh me either.

SPEAKER_06 (01:46:33):
Josh Whedon was an interesting.
I didn't know he was on thatscreenplay.

SPEAKER_07 (01:46:36):
As we're speaking about authors, I think it's
apropos.
When Freeman says legal,illegal, these terms don't
apply.
And they get the list ofpeople's library books that are
tracked by the government.
This is scary.
Not necessarily the stupidity,but the naivety of Mills, where
he's like Des Sha Day and ThomasAcquia or whatever.

(01:46:56):
But the lead to John Doe, therehe is.
That apartment chase.
Oh, and ultimately John Doe letsMills live because you must
become wrath, David.

SPEAKER_06 (01:47:08):
Question in the whole math of it all, does John
Doe know they'll come to himthere?

SPEAKER_07 (01:47:13):
I don't think so.
I think that throws him off.

SPEAKER_06 (01:47:16):
But he does leave the photos for him to find,
right?
Or those are just displayed.

SPEAKER_07 (01:47:22):
That's the beginning.
He always he seems to trackthese sins from the beginning to
the end the best he can.
And I think when he's posing asthe reporter, he's seeing David
become wrath and makes thedecision that he's gonna go
after David at some point.
But when they the rain-soakedlens and when they are chasing
each other and the spaceystumble, what's that building

(01:47:45):
when he's like dragging hisfucking leg?
Oh, so it's gorgeous.
And the shot when they'rearguing about entering the
apartment and the shot of Pittkicking the door open and
entering that apartment, alsojust fucking iconic.

SPEAKER_04 (01:48:02):
It's from a screenwriting perspective.
The fact that you have thisveteran and rookie arguing
outside about process, like weneed to get a fucking warrant.
Yeah.
And one of them kicks open thedoor.
A decision that cannot be takenback.
That is the juiciest fuckingshit.

(01:48:23):
And then what's so good is likeAndrew Kevin Walker just solves
that right away with morecorrupt cop bullshit.
What you was like, the world,yeah.
We're just gonna pay a woman tosay, I saw a mysterious dude go
up there.
And it's like that's so fuckingjuicy.

SPEAKER_07 (01:48:44):
Dude, also Morgan, sorry to interrupt, Morgan
Freeman's contact being an FBIguy, the guy he pays off, and
then Mills's person is a fuckingcrackhead that he's like, eat
something, eat.
You get the level of empathythat they both have.

SPEAKER_04 (01:48:59):
When I moved to New York, I specifically sought out
that apartment.
It was still decorated the sameway.
And I lived in that environmentfor five years, just with the
red light, and the and and Inever fight the prints.

SPEAKER_06 (01:49:13):
How many people did you kill?

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:16):
Seven.
Like I had to move out likethere's seven then?
Yes.
Got it.
Upon killing seven, you mustmove out.
You can take your time.
It's the end of your lease,though.

SPEAKER_07 (01:49:29):
It's in the contract.
The end of your lease.
Oh, that makes me feel likeshit.

SPEAKER_06 (01:49:32):
The real estate was owned by Donald Dump in a box.
Oh pass.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:38):
But I fucking love Lord, dude.
I loved that fucking set design.
That creepiness.
Oh my god.
That creepiness.
Also, again, going back to thatthing we said earlier, fucking
Brad Pitt actually cut a bunchof fucking tendons in his arm.
Yeah.
And so as they were shooting,like, thank God, he's just

(01:50:00):
rolling around through thatscene with a fucking cast.
You know?
When that phone rings, it's sohaunting as they're like, Oh my
god, quiet.
And they go dig through it, andthen as my fiance says, Joey
Pants is on the other line.

SPEAKER_06 (01:50:20):
Joey Pink is delicious.
There's a little bit of I don'tknow what it is about 90s
detectives or police thingswhere I just drawn to them more.
Like I think of the fugitive.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:32):
Get off.

SPEAKER_06 (01:50:33):
These are the things where it's like the technology
isn't what it is now.
It just feels like morepractical and it feels more like
approachable.
And you don't have like now it'sjust so much more of computer
work, and it doesn't feel likewhat I observe in these movies.

SPEAKER_07 (01:50:49):
It's really great that this movie and a lot of
these detective movies we'retalking about are right before
like pretty much everybodystarted to get a cell phone.
Like the lack of computers inthis movie is like really
evident.
The fingerprint computer seemsso advanced in this world.
And the guy's like, this isgonna take like 20 months, and
then they hand him a carton ofcigarettes, and he's like, Did I

(01:51:10):
say 20 minutes?
I'm I'm at 20 seconds.
It's really great that thecomputer stuff, Ben, that that
it's not just like forcing orpushing the story, and the level
of dirt that's there, like thatexisted in the 90s, is also so
real.
And the Tyler Durden of BradPitt and David Fincher and John

(01:51:30):
Doe both kind of having theattitude of we're the
all-singing, all-dancing crap ofthe world is so great.
The interaction that they haveat Wild Bill's Leather with the
dick knife thing is maybe one ofthe most awkward scenes in the
movie until you get to the realawkward moment.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51:49):
Really awkward moment.

SPEAKER_06 (01:51:52):
He made me fuck her.

SPEAKER_07 (01:51:53):
Where was the girl?
The what?
The girl, the prostitute.
Like they have to say the prosaying the girl doesn't that,
but when they say theprostitute, he kind of gets it.
When Mills asks, Do you likewhat you do?
And the boot the guy in thebooth is like, No, but that's
life, isn't it?
And it's like commenting on bothof them.
Yes, the script is just sofucking tight in the dialogue

(01:52:18):
and wanting to and the themethis throughout the happy
ending.
It's not possible.

SPEAKER_06 (01:52:25):
Great.
Give it to me.
I'm gonna jump ahead here.
Jump ahead.
Uh but John O.
You brought us two movies now.
You brought us Minority Reportand Seven.
Both movies take a character andpush them into a circumstance, a

(01:52:47):
choice.
They are now facing someone whohas done harm to the person that
they love.
And they are given that choiceto kill them or to save them,
which I think is a fascinatingthing that you've brought these
two movies to us, and inMinority Party chooses to save
him, and in this movie hechooses to kill him.
Even to this date, when I waswatching that, and I know I'm

(01:53:08):
jumping ahead, but even to thisday when I'm watching the end
here, there's that part, and Ithink it's part of Pat Pitt's
performance.
You see it in him where he couldpotentially go the route of
arresting or just like not doinganything.
The the performance is solayered to then the final shots.
But anyway, I just thought thatwas fascinating that you've

(01:53:30):
given us these two.

SPEAKER_07 (01:53:32):
Yeah, that's interesting.
That's very interesting.

SPEAKER_06 (01:53:34):
The blue and the red pill, you know.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53:37):
You also bring up that I can't why is that ending
so juicy?
Is because of that bar sceneright after the he told me to
fuck her scene.

SPEAKER_07 (01:53:50):
Oh god, dude.
Yeah.
Well, do you want to say moreabout no he told me to fuck her?
No, you no, no, I really don't.
I I do love the line where we'regonna talk about severed
tendons, you're gonna be oh god,you're gonna be disappointed.
It's not the devil, he's just aman.
Just man.
Like, holy shit.

(01:54:10):
But the the talk about apathyover the dress.
It's so good.
Okay, so the apathy talk theyhave over drinks and like the
the raising a child versusbeating a child, and males, you
can't afford to be this naive.

SPEAKER_04 (01:54:24):
You can't, can't you will love this, Paul Christopher
Nolan?
He uses this scene as hisauditioning scene for most every
role.
It's so good.
A friend of mine has auditionedfor three of his movies all
three times.

(01:54:44):
This is just the scene.
You just try this scene asMills, and so that's a level of
respect for Andy Kevin Walkerand Fincher from Nolan.
But like that's the scene, andthat idea of like, what if I
could push this boulder up thehill and you have somebody more

(01:55:08):
knowledgeable than you sayingit's too heavy, man?

SPEAKER_07 (01:55:11):
Yeah, I'm not gonna do the sysphist thing.
It's dark, like it's so dark.
What works in the movie, andwhat makes it really work is
that they've got this kind of Ifor lack of a better example,
like a mammoth, like who has thepower, and they're coming from
totally different fuckingangles.
Like when Brad Pitt's like, Idon't agree with you, I can't.

(01:55:34):
Him being the forever optimist,like it's always gonna work out
for me, it always has before,even though we've been told as
an audience, like the ending'snot gonna be good, and Somerset
breaking the metronome, doingthe knife tossing in the middle
of the night.
Something's coming, something'shappening, something's breaking
the norm, even more so, andhaving that introduced John Doe

(01:55:58):
just giving himself up after thepride kill.
Pride kill seems so quick.
Cut off her nose, despite herface, couldn't live because she
was upset.
But but it it breezes by.

SPEAKER_06 (01:56:08):
At this point, bodies are just like piling up,
I feel like kind of, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:56:11):
They're it's moving very quickly through the kills.
Like John Doe wants to givehimself up.
We're barreling toward it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:56:17):
Lust, lust happens, yeah, and then the bar scene
where it's basically an argumentof two men at their low, which
is like there's no good in thisworld, there might be.
It's like that's not a goodargument, by the way.
Yeah, uh and then the next sceneis like morning comes and pride
is there.

(01:56:38):
And again, when you're watchingthis movie for the first time,
and you know there's gonna beseven murders, we only were
given two in the first act, andthen there's two in act 2A, and
then these next two come prettyquickly.
Bang, bang, but yeah.
Pride is one of those where it'slike when you hear it, you cut

(01:57:02):
off her nose to Spiderface,you're like, that is the most
literal version of these deaths,and it's actually kind of the
darkest when they especially theway David Pinter films it.
They lit, I think they literallytake a pen and move her finger,
which is pasted to the pillowbottle.

(01:57:23):
It is so dark.
And then here's where thescreenwriting kicks in again.
They cut outside of the policeprecinct.
Somerset is saying, we may nevercatch this guy.
Yeah, he's saying that, and as ascreenwriter, you have to like
if the end of your scene is thekiller is going to walk out of a

(01:57:45):
cab, the beginning of your sceneshould be the exact opposite.
And it is, it's the detective'ssaying we're never gonna catch
this guy.
He may walk.
Two seconds later, he's steppingout of a cab.

SPEAKER_07 (01:58:00):
It's brilliant.
And the fact that he uses itagainst them later, as as the
law offices of uh Dick and Dickget together, Richard Schiff and
Richard Roundtree oversaw by uhJudge Dick Seaman.
But like when Richard Roundtree,they give the lawyer gives the
offer, he'll either pleadinsanity or he'll give you a

(01:58:22):
full confession and the wholedeal.
And Richard Roundtree's like,I'm inclined to let him rot.
If he had just gone with that,it was over.
And the fact that he is playingthis chess game, like with them,
and Somerset even says, if thereare in fact two more dead, like
he he's considering all moves,and they have this really lovely

(01:58:46):
moment where they're shaving forbuyers, the best, and there's a
moment of of levity.
What if I shave off my nipples?
Can I my nipple can I claimworkers or whatever?
And like Mills really for thefirst time seems like kind of
scared to me.
It's the first time I feel areal level of fear, and and the
way he does it, and it's thescreenwriting, it's fucking

(01:59:09):
good.

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:10):
He makes it a joke.
He says, Yeah, if John Doe'shead splits open and an alien
pops out, I want you to expectit.
That is a scared fucking mansaying that.
Absolutely like a dude, a dudethat like earlier tonight
encountered he says it in themovie.
He's like, a man was mugged, andright before walking away, the

(01:59:32):
muggers stabbed the person'seyes out four block blocks away.
The fact that that guy's jokingabout aliens means he's scared
shit.

SPEAKER_07 (01:59:43):
I agree with you, I totally agree with you.
The also just the transportingcar ride here that all it all
happens so fast, and it's alldialogue, and it's a couple few
different shots, and it's like astationary cam that's shaking at
point.
That makes you feel like you'rein the car.
Brad Pitt just losing it.

(02:00:05):
And I love how wrong he is inthat John Doe is not what he's
saying to his life, to Mills'slife.
You're a movie of the week.
You're a fucking t-shirt atbest.
It's like, yeah, you're notwrong, but not to you.
Like that's you.
Like to you, like you're gonnaremember the name John Doe
forever, unlike whoever it wasthat you killed the first time.

(02:00:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (02:00:29):
That I I find that stuff in the cop car to Spacey's
credit, it's just brilliantperformance.

SPEAKER_07 (02:00:35):
Some of the best shit in the movie.

SPEAKER_06 (02:00:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (02:00:38):
I am also terrified for the delivery guy watching
this movie for like California,stand down, and the whole thing
with John Doe has the upperhand.
I feel a level of fear for thedelivery guy because I was like,
what happens to this guy?
And when Somerset's like, I'msending the delivery man away.
Somebody pick him up.
I'm like, okay, good.

SPEAKER_04 (02:01:00):
Thank God.
I feel better.
My first ever watch of thismovie, I knew there were two
more kills left.
Yeah.
I knew there was twists.
Uh yeah.
Two.
And envy and wrath.
And as we're driving out, I waslike really, really distracted

(02:01:24):
in a good way, in like anarrative way, of how many times
they did a extreme close-up ofJohn Doe's eyes to an extreme
close-up of Morgan Freeman'seyes in the rear view mirror.
Yeah.
And in that moment, I'm 16 atthe time.

(02:01:46):
I thought they were in codes.
I was like, what is about to godown?
Something's fucking happening.
And it's unsettling.
I don't know whose team I'm on.
I know I'm on good guys' team,but I don't know if good guys'
team is on my team.

SPEAKER_07 (02:02:06):
It feels like Somerset is one degree off from
being that guy.
Yeah.
He really does.

SPEAKER_03 (02:02:13):
He hates the world.

SPEAKER_04 (02:02:15):
And I and it's like, I kind of I'm hearing this guy
in the back, and he he kind ofhates it as much.
As we're barreling toward theend.

SPEAKER_07 (02:02:26):
Yeah, there's a good look back there.
There's a good look back.
The third act goes so fast wherethe delivery guy drops off the
head, and the what's in the box?
Now I will say, Ben, as you weretalking about earlier, his
indecision, I'm like, oh, I wastold this movie's gonna end
poorly.
Like, this guy's killed somebodybefore.

(02:02:47):
And when he says, Become wrath,David, and when John Doe says,
and the life of the baby insideher, and you guys were saying
there are two more kills, andI'm like, well, I guess there
were really three, because thecrux for Mills shooting him is I
killed your child.
Mills is arrested as this is oneof the great one of the great

(02:03:12):
endings of all time.

SPEAKER_06 (02:03:13):
Was this you telling us you're that is dangerous?
Yeah, was that a weird way to goout and say that?

SPEAKER_07 (02:03:21):
I think that's the way that maybe Mills felt about
his specific child.
How's that?
Okay, how's that for an answer,fucker?
So Mills gets arrested becausehe shoots John Doe like five
fucking times with a 45 Colt attwo feet away.
Somebody get somebody.

(02:03:42):
Dude, the fact that Somerset isso shaken that because you he's
so fucking shaken by that.

SPEAKER_04 (02:03:49):
Does that arrest him?
So this ending was so greatendings of all time.
They've had they had to rewriteit for Christmas Vacation, man.
They're not using that.
Still the studio says somethingelse needs to be done.
We can't put a fucking woman'shead in the box.
It's a dog.
It's it's one of the weintroduced the dog.

(02:04:11):
It's one of the so it's one ofthe two dogs.
They try that version.
Another version is uh Somersetwho save Mills shoots.
John Doe.
John Doe.

SPEAKER_07 (02:04:24):
John Doe.
Yeah, I did know about that one.
Is that Somerset was like, Mylife's already over.

SPEAKER_04 (02:04:30):
My life's already over.
And then another version, andthis is the dumbest version,
never filmed but pitched, wasMills sees Somerset about to
shoot John Doe, and Mills shootsSomerset to stop him from
shooting John Doe.
Yeah, that's better.
And I'm like, I'm so glad theydidn't.

(02:04:51):
And then he shoots John Doe too.
Yeah.
Right.
Okay.
It is one of the best movieendings.
I think you get an Oscar Nongfor one fact.
There is a four-frame cut toGwyneth Paltrow's face.

SPEAKER_07 (02:05:08):
Her pretty head.

SPEAKER_04 (02:05:10):
Yeah.
And he is debating shooting her.
It's four frames.
That's it.
Four frames is one sixth of asecond, but you know what it is.

SPEAKER_03 (02:05:24):
That is a I'm not even kidding.

SPEAKER_04 (02:05:28):
Yeah.
Totally different way.
But it's not.
It is wild how good of a choicethat was.
And I need to I need to comedown from like hyperbole
mountain.
But I think this is the bestthing he will ever do in his

(02:05:51):
entire life.
I agree.
That close.
I agree.
That debate is truly, you see,every choice offered to him as a
human being.
There is physicality of I dropthe gun, I point the it's
fucking wild.

(02:06:12):
You can tell he feels like shit.
Oh god.
He feels like shit.

SPEAKER_03 (02:06:16):
Antie Zola.
He looks like he's about tothrow up.

SPEAKER_04 (02:06:21):
He looks so angry.
He looks sorry.
Two mils in watching it today.
That is the emotion that I wasso impressed by.

SPEAKER_02 (02:06:29):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (02:06:30):
He looked like he was apologetic for making the
decision he was about to make.

SPEAKER_07 (02:06:36):
For killing her memory or her memory of him or
something.
Like that's what I felt with theframe too.
Like, or killing her, what wasleft of her.

SPEAKER_04 (02:06:43):
It was like, my friend is saying, don't do
something, and I'm gonna do it.
And I feel bad about it.
Like that.
I was like alsoscreenwriting-wise, which is why
to go back a few beats, I thinkthis deserves best screenplay,
best original screenplay of 1995over the other Kaiser Sose

(02:07:09):
classic.
I think this is the bestscreenplay because it sets up an
actor to win.
Earlier today, I was like, whoelse could have done this role
of Mills?
Weirdly enough, it's written sowell that I'm like, Matt Dylan,
he could have crushed it.

(02:07:30):
Yeah.
Like there's so many actors thatcould have crushed Mills, and
it's because it's well written.
That look at the end, that lookat the end is written and then
performed so above and beyond.
But to put a character in thatplace is so cool and rare.

(02:07:54):
Bravo, Andrew Kevin Walker, forwriting that movie.

SPEAKER_07 (02:07:58):
Well, I agree with you too about the apathy scene
where they're like, if you'reMills and you play that right,
like that's that's reallyfucking special.
That scene is really, reallygreat.
And the the way this ends whenSomerset says, Around, I'll be
around.
I guess I'm not let go of thejob.

SPEAKER_01 (02:08:17):
Like it's so good.

SPEAKER_07 (02:08:20):
It's depressing as shit, but it's great.

SPEAKER_04 (02:08:23):
The ending they wanted was Mill fires two shots
cut to black.
That's it.

SPEAKER_07 (02:08:30):
I liked I like the around, I'll be around.
I like the where Somerset's justtrapped.

SPEAKER_06 (02:08:34):
I like that we get a little Day Damont there because
guys we need it.

SPEAKER_04 (02:08:39):
I a thousand percent agree.
This is where sometimes studioexecs rule because they are your
first audience.
And the first audience, theysaid she her head can't be in a
box.
In the filmmakers push back.
Wrong.
Yeah, they were like, Her headneeds to be.
We'll show you, you know.
But they also said you cannotend on Bang Bang.

(02:09:04):
An audience cannot feel that astheir final emotion, they need
to feel something extra.
And what they decided to fillthat space with was I'll be
around.
And the actual final line of themovie is Eminway said the world
is a fine place and worthfighting for.
I agree with the second part.

SPEAKER_07 (02:09:25):
That's what makes them different than John Doe.
Man, and that's the degree thatsets him apart.

SPEAKER_04 (02:09:33):
For the win, the final thing I'll say about that
little last section.
I went to film school in 2000.
I won't date myself, whatever.
2024.
I went to film school in 2024.
And they had just invented colorcorrection.
That's what they invented, huh?
Um, but in my school, they had aconnection with the somebody in

(02:10:00):
coloring for this movie, and wegot for my editing class, not
even cinematography class, itwas wild, editing class, editing
for they gave us the dailies forthis movie, the final scene, and
we had to color correct it.

(02:10:22):
Kevin and and Brad were theentire background is green.
You know, three weeks ago when Icompleted college and my
schooling, I had to edit those,and it was so cool to learn
about color correction.
And this movie, along with OhBrother, Where Art Thou, is one

(02:10:45):
of the first films to use colorcorrection to change the
environment.
And anyway, that's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_06 (02:10:53):
That is cool.
That's a deep dive, nerdytidbit.
I'm so curious if any of yourratings have changed.
What's in your boxes?

SPEAKER_07 (02:11:02):
I don't I don't want to add any more suspense.
We've had enough suspense, it'sbeen spooky enough.
I'm at a five.
I want to know what John O hasto think about what John O has
to think.
You uh you can think whateveryou like.
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_06 (02:11:16):
You came in with a five, you came in hot and heavy.
I don't feel like you've I don'tthink anyone's altered your I
was it my job to bring you down?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (02:11:24):
I am I am five, these aren't even my desk.

SPEAKER_07 (02:11:29):
I have five.
I liked this the the hard in thepaint wife's head in a box.
I just want to say that.
Uh I want to give you credit forgoing with the dark ending, but
I also want to say, Ben, beforeyou give your rating, if Johnno
alone didn't talk you up from afour, I will be fucking shocked.

(02:11:49):
Nothing will be more shockingthan if you didn't go up.
Could it be spooky?

SPEAKER_05 (02:11:55):
Yeah, gonna be spooky.

SPEAKER_07 (02:11:56):
It's beyond spooky.
I am I'm poltergeisted.
I've been geisted.
So if you go down to two, I'mwhat is the game this window?
What is the game here?
Two very strong fives.
Set seven is maybe in my five.

SPEAKER_06 (02:12:14):
Well, I yeah, I think I'll go to four and a half
dick knives.

SPEAKER_03 (02:12:23):
Okay, hard in the paint, very hard, a lot of
paintings.
I don't think I've never inchesof dick knives.

SPEAKER_06 (02:12:32):
Oh each dick, each dick knife did like seven, eight
inches, I think.

SPEAKER_04 (02:12:37):
Yeah, oh seven.
Each dick knife is an eight.
Yeah, and then you do wow, youjust went four and a half on a
dick knife.
Yeah, that's a lot of knife.

SPEAKER_06 (02:12:48):
I don't think I've ever jumped an entire point,
although I did consider it.
But yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna II I think four and a half dick
knives.

SPEAKER_07 (02:12:55):
If I remind you of the shot with John Doe sparing
Brad Pitt and the rain and thesound, will that change you to a
five?
No, you know what?

SPEAKER_06 (02:13:03):
What I do want to do is I don't think I'm gonna ask
my wife.
I don't think she's seen thismovie.
And I think I'm gonna see ifshe'll watch it.
You know, we have a spooky meterbecause she's not really into
spookies and sparies.

SPEAKER_01 (02:13:15):
I like this.

SPEAKER_06 (02:13:16):
And I I I kind of wanna I kind of want to watch it
with her, and she's a big fan ofthe game, so I'll be curious to
see.

SPEAKER_04 (02:13:22):
Ah, the game.
Okay.
I am here, I am fully subscribedto this hex chain.
I am convinced this is a moviefor everyone.
Everyone.

SPEAKER_02 (02:13:40):
Everyone!

SPEAKER_04 (02:13:43):
In 2025, there's no more popular thing than true
crime craziness.
Yeah, same matter.
Can I play some space?
I think your wife will love it.

SPEAKER_07 (02:13:55):
Maybe Jessica Martin may talk you up to a five.
Let us know.

SPEAKER_06 (02:13:59):
I will report back.
You bet us if people want tofind you, if you want them to
find you, where can they findyou?
Where can they follow you?
Where can they see your work?

SPEAKER_04 (02:14:07):
You can find me on Instagram at John Omatt,
J-O-N-O-M-A-T-T.
Um, hopefully, you can find mywork as a greenlit Christmas
movie filming this January.
That'd be fun.

SPEAKER_07 (02:14:21):
We're feeling warm in the cockles.
I'm hanging the stockings, I'mhearing the bells.
Yep.
I'm feeling cozy.
I'm ready.

SPEAKER_06 (02:14:30):
You brought us two incredible gems.
I'm so happy to have you back.
Thank you, Ben.
It's so great to have you andgreat to hang out with you and
chat with you and talk with you.
Paul, would you like to tell allthe good people about all the
good people who work on thisprogram?

SPEAKER_07 (02:14:45):
I would love to.
Jamie Henwood performs ourbookend music.
Why are you excited?
What you've been doing, whatyou've been watching, are
Matthew Foskett.
And our fun facts are ChrisOlds.
You can follow me on Letterboxdat Paul XBadly.

SPEAKER_06 (02:14:58):
You can follow me at Run BMC on Letterboxd and
Instagram.
You can follow us on Instagramat uh review x2 podcast.

SPEAKER_07 (02:15:07):
Good times and I don't mean to be too spooky, but
I'm not feeling great.
Like shit.
I think I feel like shit.
I'm feeling like shit.
I gotta go.
Did it ghost fart?

unknown (02:15:19):
Ghost part.

SPEAKER_02 (02:15:20):
It was a ghost, it was the ghost.
It's hot.

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