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March 12, 2025 77 mins

Pastor burnout is real. Church struggles are real. But what if the secret to church growth isn’t about adding more programs—but about restoring health?

In this powerful episode, I sit down with Chris Binion to talk about why healthy pastors create healthy churches. We discuss:

✅ Why church health matters more than growth
✅ How rest and boundaries fuel stronger leadership
✅ The Pastor’s Refuge—a retreat designed to restore pastors
✅ The warning signs of burnout (and how to prevent them)

If you're a pastor, ministry leader, or church revitalizer, this episode is for you. Don’t miss this conversation that could change your ministry—and your life.

🎧 Hit play now and start your journey to a thriving, healthy church!

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