May 2, 2025 • 42 mins
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Trevor Dunbar shares his transformative journey from firefighter to spiritual mentor, revealing how religion often creates an identity crisis that prevents men from accessing their God-given authority. He illuminates the profound difference between living as servants to religious systems versus sons who walk in intimate communion with the Father.
• The root problem for many men is an identity crisis stemming from shame, guilt, and obligation
• Christianity often functions as a "good cult" that gives 90% truth while filtering in just enough falsehood to keep men powerless
• The kingdom of God is a realm to experience, not just a religion to practice
• Men frequently prioritize provider roles at the expense of emotional and spiritual leadership
• Supernatural encounters in wilderness settings create vulnerability that leads to transformation
• Five keys to effective prayer: position your heart, remove distractions, expect encounters, believe what you hear, take action
• Pride (including false humility) blocks intimacy with God and prevents men from walking in their authority
• Our identity equals our ability - we cannot operate with greater ability than how we see ourselves
Discover your God-given identity and break free from systems that keep you from experiencing true freedom and purpose. Visit trevordunbar.com to learn more and take the seven-day outlier challenge.
Key moments in this episode:
03:31 Trevor's Journey to Faith and Purpose
11:04 The Power of Submission and Fatherhood
16:18 Overcoming Guilt, Shame, and Fear
22:28 The Importance of Relationships and Faith
23:12 Transformative Wilderness Experience
31:12 Keys to Effective Prayer
36:15 The Role of Mentorship
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Imagine finding yourself caught in cycles of
doubt, disconnection andself-doubt, despite doing
everything that you thought youwere doing was going to be right
.
You go to church, you pray, youfollow the rules, and yet
something still feels missing.
What if the problem isn'treally you, but it's with the
system itself?
What if you've been handed acounterfeit version of the truth
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that's been stealing away yourpurpose, your power and your
passion?
And so, in today's episode,we're going to explore how to
break free from theseconstraints, discover your
God-given identity and liveboldly, with clarity and with
confidence.
And so today, we'll uncoverwhat it truly means to step into
the freedom and authorityyou've been created for.
And before we get into today'sepisode, I just wanted to remind
(00:43):
you that today is anopportunity for you to live the
life you've been created for.
And before we get into today'sepisode, I just wanted to remind
you that today is anopportunity for you to live the
life you've always wanted tolive, and so we're going to have
some time today and discuss awide variety of topics.
I'm looking forward to usdiving into them.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
The average man today is sleepwalking through life,
many never reaching their truepotential, let alone ever
crossing the finish line toliving a purposeful life.
Yet the hunger still exists,albeit buried amidst his
cluttered mind, misguidedbeliefs and values that no
longer serve him.
It's time to align yourself forgreatness.
(01:20):
It's time to become arevolutionary man.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Stay strong, my brother.
So welcome everyone to theRevolutionary man Podcast.
I'm the founder of the Awakenedman Movement and your host,
alan DeMonsoul.
Before we get started, allow meto ask you a couple of
questions.
Are you living boldly in yourGod-given identity, or are you
still trapped by systems andexpectations that keep you from
experiencing true freedom andpurpose?
And how would your life bedifferent and change if you
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could confidently hear God'svoice, break free from guilt,
fear and step fully into yourpotential?
You know, many of us wereraised in traditional religious
homes, growing to church onSundays, sunday school and all
that, and yet we live out of theremainder of our week often
finding ourselves living in adifferent plan, one that can
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often lead us to pain, toanxiety and to loss.
And so if religion isn't whatthat answer is for you, then
what is the other question?
And so today we're going toexplore that and we're going to
unpack a ton of other stuff, sowe don't want you to go away.
Go anywhere and pay attentionto our new guests.
That's coming on today.
Trevor Dunbar is an author,speaker, mentor and co-founder
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of the Outlier brand.
He inspires pioneers, creators,entrepreneurs, free thinkers
and leaders to discover who theyare and what they're capable of
.
He's a dedicated husband andfather of five.
Trevor lives in Austin, texas,with his wife, bridget, and his
youngest son, maverick love thatname and retired firefighter
and businessman with threedecades of experience, he's
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committed to uniting andequipping the global movement of
truth seekers and bold leadersto embrace their God-given
identity and realize their fullpotential.
So welcome to the show today,trevor.
How are things, my friend?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Thanks, alan.
It's an honor to be here.
Things are great.
Things are great Juggling,juggling, it all.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, there we go.
I was, as we were getting onhere you're talking about.
You're both.
We're both busy.
Right, you were traveling todayand we're trying to get
ourselves set up today, but itseems like we're always on a
journey, are we not?
And so my opening question forall of my guests is to talk
about their hero's quest.
So tell us about that time inyour life, that burning bush
experience, and how did thatexperience shape you into the
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man you are today and the workthat you're doing?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
So I guess, to keep it short, I did not grow up in
the church, but I found God whenI was about 24, and about five
years into that I just wasfinding myself forward.
I was a firefighter lieutenant,I owned a small construction
company, I was a leader in mychurch, had the perfect picture
family, everything but it just Iwasn't experiencing in my life
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what I was reading about inscripture, and so I really was
wrestling with God.
Through that process I feltlike the Lord had given me some
vision for, ironically, some ofthe things we're doing today.
But in that I left the firedepartment, sold my business,
moved across the country andshortly after that I had
literally a burning bushexperience where we were going
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to Israel.
We were getting ready to meetthe prime minister and some
leaders in Israel, and so we haddedicated a 24 hour period that
we were going to go to a cabinin the North Georgia mountains
to pray.
And we get to the cabin and, aswe go in, not thinking anything
unusual, toss my bags down inthe room and I noticed a couple
of walking sticks leaning up mybags down in the room and I
noticed a couple walking sticksleaning up against the corner of
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the room and don't think muchof it.
Head back upstairs and we'vegot some worship music playing
and some we're getting ready totake communion, a bottle of wine
, and I I really felt like thelord said go down and grab one
of those sticks.
And I still, at this period ofmy life, was not very confident
in whether I was hearing theLord's voice or not, but I
didn't know why I would havethat random thought.
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And so I went downstairs andgrabbed the stick and then I
just asked what would you likeme to do with this?
Felt like he said we're allsupposed to hold onto it, my
friend.
And so I came upstairs and toldthe guy.
I said hey, I don't know forsure, but I feel like the Lord's
asking us to hold on to thisstick while we pray.
And so we all grabbed a hold ofthe stick and as soon as all
four of our hands hit that thing, the fire in the fireplace went
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and it's full burning fire.
And at that exact moment, myfriend Gary, his phone went off
and I got a text message from awoman who'd been praying for us
and she said the Lord says toexpect angelic visitation today.
And we just felt this holymoment where we took our shoes
off like we're on holy groundand we just felt the weight of
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the Lord, and that fire burnedfor about 10 minutes and it
really it came as a confirmationthat some things the Lord had
been speaking to me about mypurpose and my calling the
things that he had called me to,to some things the Lord had
been speaking to me about mypurpose and my calling the
things that he had called me to,and so not only was it a
confirmation, but it was acommissioning and it was the
thing that I had been searchingfor, which was the power of the
kingdom.
I've been trying to tap intothis realm that I read about but
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just had never yet experiencedup until that point.
That opened the door tocountless experiences since then
that have really revealed thesupernatural power of the
kingdom that I believe most menare either consciously or
subconsciously searching for,and it's this power that we were
born for that most are notliving in.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Man, I just love that story.
Trevor, I just sit there justmaking a ton of notes.
As I said to you, I would Firstoff.
I'm just blown away at thetransformation.
Living something Let mehallucinate a little bit Was
being a firefighter like yourboyhood dream.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
No, I actually wanted to be a Navy SEAL and I was on
my way to the recruiter when Iwas 18.
Got pulled over doing 35 overand that was my ticket.
So I disqualified myself, nevermade my, never made it to the
recruiter and I my dad was a cop.
He introduced me to thefirefighters and my life took a
radical turn.
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But that's how I ended up therereally cool, man, really cool.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'm glad that you also explained that story,
because it's, it seems and youmade a comment there you talked
about you weren't very confidentin hearing god's voice, and yet
these moments and these thingsare happening for you.
The fourth ticket leads you todoing firefighting, which then
leads you to starting on anotherjourney in another place, to
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ultimately doing what you'redoing today, and I just think
it's just so powerful that formany of us I'm including myself
in that where we do tend tostruggle on trusting that voice,
and why do you think that is?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I think, ultimately because we have an identity
crisis.
I think that the biggest rootof our problem as men is that we
don't really know who we are.
We do know, but then all thevoices of shame, guilt and
obligation oftentimes given tous through the church, through
religion, through youth oreducation, through the family
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unit, it's not, church isn't theonly system that has broken us
down.
There are many systems thathave controlled us and have
altered our identity, and so Ithink that when we don't trust
ourselves to believe that we arecapable of hearing God, we lack
that soul level certainty, andthat causes us to shrink back,
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which keeps us from exercisingthe dominion that we were
created.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Man that makes so much sense to me.
I would completely agree withyou.
There is an identity crisis andthere's many different reasons
why that's occurring.
You've named a few there, andI'd also add to that that I
think it's also because where wehave where you also mentioned
earlier on that we're searchingand yet we don't really realize
what we're searching for.
You know we're looking for thatconnection to God.
(08:58):
So tell me a little bit abouthow, what your interpretation of
is you've gone on your journeythe difference between between
what you found, betweenChristianity as a religion and
the kingdom of God is.
You've been describing it sofar.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, I had a revelation in prayer one day
that the kingdom of God is arealm, not a religion, and I
began to really unpack that.
In fact, I felt like the Lordtold me that Christianity is the
good cult and I pushed back onthat and I'm like how could it
be the good cult?
Because Christianity issupposed to be the way to Jesus,
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all the different things.
But then when I really unpackedit, the truth is we were
created for relationship withthe Father and then that
communion was broken in thegarden, but then Jesus came back
and restored it and through thepower of the Holy Spirit, that
dunamis power that was given tous, we have access now, full
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access, to embody the authoritythat Christ has delegated to us.
And so we were born into asystem that makes Christianity
synonymous with being a followerof Jesus.
And it's very difficult even tohave this intellectually honest
conversation with most people,because most people love their
religion and I would suggestthere's even maybe a spirit of
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religion tied to that at somelevel.
There's a lot of pride thatcomes in with religion.
Religion is kind of a funnything, like pride, it'll tell
you too good and not good enough, all on the same day, and I
think what I've just reallyrealized is that there's a
difference between living as ason and living as a servant.
And when we're in a religion,we're ultimately serving a
system, and when we are insonship, we're actually walking
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in communion with our father andwe're embracing the identity
that he's bestowed on us to beable to live out the dominion
that we were created for lovethat I love.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I just made that note .
Living as a son versus livingas a servant, I think, is what
you said and I think about that,that relationship that we have
with father, and I think aboutyour relationship as a father.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So tell me how those mirror and how you show up in
life yeah, it's interesting, Iactually, in the good coal, I
wrote a chapter called thefather.
I was the father I'm becoming,and because my first four
children, who are now youngadults, I love God, I love them,
I love my wife, but I failed toprovide the emotional and
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spiritual leadership that theyneeded because I was so focused
on being a provider and so Ithrew all of my efforts into
creating that financial legacy,and for most people it doesn't
come as easily as it appearswhen you talk yourself into
hustling and grinding for threeyears for the sake of the family
and then we'll just coast therest of our life.
At least, for me, that two orthree years never actually
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turned out and so I reallyneglected.
But what I realized is that nowI have a newborn and I've gone
through a healing and atransformation process and I now
have a better reflection of whothe father is, which allows me
to be more of a father, a heartconnected father, and so I think
that how we see our fathers isoftentimes how we see the father
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.
So my father was veryemotionally disconnected.
His father was a veteran ofthree wars World War II, korea
and Vietnam Seldom aroundraising my dad, so my dad had no
ability to connect emotion, hewas insecure.
He was a great man, honest, allthe themes, but he didn't teach
me how to be an emotionallyconnected son.
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So I think when I've gonethrough that healing process now
I've recognized, oh, the fatherhas raised me in a way, has
brought spiritual maturity.
That's recognized that, hey,we're not really created for
hustle and grind, we're createdfor revelation, communion,
relationship.
You never saw Jesus in a hurry,he wasn't stressed, he wasn't
working 24 hour nights.
When Lazarus died, he wasn'tstressed about it.
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He took four days to get thereand this was his good friend.
And I think there's a way wecan step back and embrace that
role of father and ask ourselveshow do we really see God as
father, versus as the dictator,or versus as this all powerful
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being that?
Why would he let bad thingshappen to good people?
All these questions that peoplewrestle with?
I think when we understandsonship, we start to get better,
a better understanding of whatthat actually looks like in real
life.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I completely agree with that and I there is so much
.
So everything you just said isjust a huge truth bomb there,
because it is totally how ourrelationship with our father
reflects on the relationshipthat we become as fathers and
it's so important as men.
And your story resonates deeplywith me because that's how I
was in my 20s, focused on mycareer and on my business, and
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it also mean it did cost me myfamily and my marriage and a
bunch of other stuff, and ittook.
It took almost another 20 yearsto get back on track, to really
come back to seeking and beingin communion with God on a
regular basis, and so I thinkfor many of us, this is our
hero's journey.
It is the journey of fallingaway, thinking we've got a few
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things figured out, I'm going tobe the provider, and then
recognizing that it's only onepart of the answer, and it's do
we have the guts to go get therest of that answer?
And you're a testament to that.
So I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, it's one of those I often ask the question.
It's a controversial question.
It stirs up the religiouspeople.
What if Christianity was thegreatest deception played
against humanity since theGarden of Eden?
Because if identity is trulywhat gives us our power and we
can put a religion, a system anda structure in place that gives
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us 90% truth, that just filtersin the 10% that keeps us
becoming powerful, we becomelike.
Jordan Peterson says that aharmless man is not a good man.
A good man is a very dangerousman who keeps it under voluntary
control.
See, we were, I believe,created to be dangerous and to
keep that under voluntarycontrol.
There's the lion and the lamb,and religion has been something
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that has almost castrated us tosome degree and is, as taught us
how to be nice guys, a good guyand all that.
And I just I think that there'sa sense of morality that we're
called to for sure, and there'salso, I believe, we have to have
a pure heart to be able to seegod, but we have to have a
savage mind to be able toadvance the kingdom.
And if you have too much savagemind without a pure heart, you
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become one kingdom, and if youhave too much savage mind
without a pure heart, you becomeone of the wolves.
If you have too much of a pureheart with no savage mind, you
become one of the sheep, andwhat we're supposed to be is a
sheep dog in the kingdom, and Ithink just very few have
captured that revelation.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Oh, great way to put that together.
Great way.
I just love that.
How can you know?
Obviously, on this journey forus as men, we're going to come
across some different emotions,emotions like guilt and shame
and especially of fear.
We did a series this summerwith my group on the book Seven
Messengers of Fear from DennisMerritt Jones and I got to tell
you it was.
We dealt a lot with our, withguilt and shame, as two of those
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, of two of those fears.
Tell me a little bit about whatyou've found, about how people
can and how yourself haveovercome feeling these not that
they don't ever exist anymore.
What are some things you'vebeen doing to overcome guilt,
shame and fear For me, I justwhen I really.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
It's been a long journey of unpacking and a lot
of failure and trials andquestioning God, but when I
really came to embrace the factthat we're living in an unseen
realm on a daily basis and wehave to address those issues in
that realm with authority beforewe can expect things in our
natural life to change.
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And so when we're dealing withfear, shame, guilt, anxiety,
confusion these all have aspiritual root to them and we
oftentimes allow these spiritualroots to take hold in our life
unknowingly.
And CS Lewis in the ScrewtapeLetters talked a little bit
about the wows of the devil andhow he keeps humans ultimately
just dumb and happy in thecorner praying to a hypothetical
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God.
I think that when we can seethat we have an actual enemy
named Satan he's a fallen angel,he's jealous of our communion
with the Father, he's jealous ofwhat he'll never have again.
He's at war with us because hehates God we get to then step
into a place of getting therevelation of our actual
authority.
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When you read through scripture,there's the seven sons of Sceva
and they went and they tried tocast out this demon.
And they're like hey, listen, Iknow Paul and I know Jesus, but
who are you?
And they ended up taking him tothe mat.
I think there are people thatcan operate to a degree of
authority because we've beengiven dominion, who may or may
not be in direct communion withthe Father, but for the most
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most part, true spiritualauthority has to come through
humility and submission to jesuschrist, through communion with
the father.
Jesus only did what he saw thefather doing so when I have the
mind of christ, the heart of thefather and the power of the
spirit, the power of the spirit.
If I come into every situationsay lord, let the spirit, let
your spirit fall upon me, aspirit of wisdom and
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understanding, counsel, might,knowledge, fear the Lord, and
then I can take that spiritualauthority of position and I can
come against fear, I can comeagainst anxiety, I can come
against confusion, and whathappens is your field.
Things physically break off ofyou and this is what a lot of
our men in the retreats privatecoaching experience.
Because it's not that you haveto work hard or hustle to give
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this, it's a free gift, but youhave to be submitted with
humility and you have to havesomebody who understands and
walks in the authority of thespirit to be able to bring that.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Well, that's a big word you're bringing up there,
and that's submission, and formany men, you know that's alone
that word brings fear andanxiety on us, because we may
interpret that meaning well thenI'm becoming weak.
However, the ability to be ableto submit to something that's
much greater than we are isactually a show of strength,
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because that's when we can startto lead ourselves.
And so let's talk a little bitabout your work that you're
doing with men.
Let's talk about the outliercommunity and everything you've
got going on there.
Tell us a little bit about it.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, first, just even on going back to Moses and
the burning bush, here's a manwho was known as the meekest man
on earth and he actually didhave some fear and some
insecurities about beingpowerful, but when he came into
full submission to the father,he brought a message to Pharaoh
that it's unparalleled Right,and so there's a lot of power in
submission that we forgetsometimes.
But yeah, as far as men, it'sjust been a passion.
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I, for probably a decade, havebeen leading men either on
wilderness retreats, one-on-onementoring, coaching.
I prefer mentoring.
It's a little bit more of afathering.
It's not just about knockingdown targets and goals in your
business.
While those things areimportant, they need to be
weaved in, but it's about reallyunderstanding a healed process
and transforming.
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So I work with men one-on-onein small groups and in retreats.
My wife and I have launched theoutlier brand together and our
mission with that really is toconnect specifically with the
younger generation, millennials,gen Z, who just have been
disillusioned by religion.
They're looking for truth, butthey're not really finding any
leaders that they're resonatingwith, and so we have a framework
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there.
It's basically a lifestylebrand.
It's a for-profit organization.
We've got apparel resources,outpost groups where we teach
people just to have fellowshipand community that accesses the
power of God in a natural way intheir life, on their terms.
And then we're actuallylaunching what's called the
Revealing Tour, so we're takingit from city to city and we're
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doing pop-up events where we getto reveal the kingdom of God to
people in a way that maybethey've never experienced before
.
And for me, although I haveexperienced the kingdom in and
around church, it's not whereI've been called to, so my
passion is to work with peoplewho would never step foot in a
church, who maybe even wouldhave skepticism about religion,
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and have an honest conversationabout what they really want in
their life and introduce them tothe Father.
My wife has a ton of educationpsychology degree master's and
she's been a licensed marriageand family therapist for over a
decade, so together we created acoaching framework called the
Breakthrough Blueprint, and sothat's something we also offer,
not just in our one-on-onementoring, but also in my book,
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the Outlier or the Law ofAbility.
I talk about that.
That as well.
We're weaving all thisconversation in, and it
ultimately comes down to theconversation of identity and
relationships with self, god andothers.
I think that all the answerswe're looking for in life are
about our identity and about ourrelationship with ourself, with
God and with others, and if wecan tackle those four pillars,
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we just walk in the freedom thatGod designs.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
You know, I was just making a note there.
I think that is so important.
What we're focused on our workhere with our band of brothers,
our group mentoring program isthe year 2025, is about living
with integrity, and we take themthrough a process, a
self-assessment tool that getsthem an opportunity to figure
out what part of their life arethey living out of integrity and
similar to what you're talkingabout.
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It's not so much about okay,we're going to hit a certain
goal, although that's part of it.
It's really about how are weidentifying ourselves and how
are we showing up in alldifferent aspects of our life,
because very few times do we asmen do we even spend time
thinking about that.
We're usually in provider modeand then, when we have to, we
fall into protector.
We don't get into really therelationship aspect with
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ourselves and with our family.
And so I love the work that youand your wife are doing in
taking it on the road now,because I think it's important
and I see that today, themessage of God and the message
of Christ is coming forward inso many wonderful ways outside
of a traditional church and pewenvironment, and I think that's
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what's so powerful.
I think that's why more andmore men are starting to open up
to why.
Hey, I want to hear a littlebit more about what you have to
say about that, trevor Allen.
I want to hear a little bitmore what you have to say about
that because it.
I want to hear a little bitmore what you have to say about
that because it's it is in adifferent environment and you're
walking it.
And the next question I havefor you is how do you not only
just demonstrate that, but howdo you take someone who is
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struggling in life today andtrying to wrestle and they're
wrestling with their identity tobe able to walk with more
authority and dominion so theycan transform their life?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
authority and dominion so they can transform
their life.
I think every circumstance isunique, but I'll just tell I
guess tell one story that will.
That, I think, shows one waythat it can happen.
First, you talk about,oftentimes we focus on the wrong
thing.
We look at it as identity,health, wealth and relationships
.
Those are the.
Those are the four things thatwe have to deal with.
Health, wealth andrelationships are typically what
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people will pay for.
Identity is the answer to makeall of them good, right.
So nobody will pay for identity, but they'll pay for a problem
in their health, a problem intheir wealth or a problem in
their.
So I took a group of menhigh-powered executives, ceos,
very wealthy, successful men outinto the Bob Marshall
wilderness a few years ago inMontana, and it was rugged
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terrain.
11 miles back we took some packhorses for supplies, but most
of the guys hiked in and thisparticular man knew that he was
supposed to go, so he signed upgo in.
He was going slower.
I held back to the back of thepack with him, talked, built
some relationship, didn't knowhim before the retreat and we
got out there.
I took people through a processlike I typically do and when
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they came back after some timereflecting and praying, I put
this man in the hot seat forprayer and he was sitting up
against a tree up at thecampfire and I just was speaking
over him and I laid my hand onhim and I just said something
about the fire of God fall onyou.
And when I did that, boom, anexplosion went off.
It was dynamite.
(24:53):
And we're back in the bobmarshall wilderness at 11 miles
right, and so we're all there'sseven or eight of us there and
I'm like we're all like whatjust happened?
And it turns out the forestservice was blasting trail about
a mile down the trail, but itjust so happened.
When I said fire of heaven,boom, that explosion went off.
(25:15):
And, as Dunamis, you know, whenJesus ascended he said I'm
going to give you power, whichis Dunamis, which is where the
word dynamite comes from.
And so there's this power thatwe've just been talking about
Dunamis, power in this group,right.
All that to say, fast forwardsix months and I learned about
some of these things throughoutthe process.
(25:36):
But I ended up having afollow-up interview with this
man.
He had actually had internalpacking for a month, or what's
the deal?
Everybody else had one backpack, he had his backpack and then
he had a full another pack onone of the horses.
(25:59):
Well, it turns out he hadmedical supplies to manage his
bleeding while he was on thetrip wow, and he knew that he
wasn't going to be able to gounless he had that.
But he really felt like god wasgoing to bring him healing on
this trip.
Turns out, after that prayer,his body was healed of the
internal bleeding never cameback six months later and it
never came back.
But this is even the bigger partof that is that he said that
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what actually he felt like was abigger healing in him than the
physical aspect was emotionalhas a better father, a better
husband.
He was seeing equations in hisbusiness that were allowing him
to be able to increase profitswith less work.
There was like an internalshift and transformation that
had happened that allowed him tosee the father in eyes that
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he'd never seen him.
He was more raised aroundreligion.
He knew the Bible, he had allthe scriptures.
He was a theologian, he studied, but he hadn't experienced the
love of the father.
He had all the scriptures, hewas a theologian, he studied,
but he hadn't experienced thelove of the Father.
He hadn't experienced the powerof the Spirit just through a
humble experience out in thewood, and so that's one example
of how that's what he needed Now.
That created a ripple effectamongst all the men in the group
(27:08):
, because everybody's watchingthis happen.
There's tears, not a dry eyearound the campfire.
It's amazing how a tough,strong, rich man becomes so
vulnerable when you stick himout in the middle of the
wilderness.
We've all got guns strapped toour chest.
There's grizzly bears andwolves and mountain lions, and
so I think, when we get out ofour environment whether it's in
the wilderness, whether it's ina home, whether it's on a prayer
(27:31):
walk, whether it's choosing tohire a mentor or a coach to come
alongside you, I think thatwhen we choose to get
uncomfortable and get vulnerable, it gives us the opportunity to
address some of those heartissues that the father wants to
deal with All right Goosebumpsjust listening to that story.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
That's unbelievable, my friend, and it's so true.
When you get out of ourselvesget ourselves, I should say, out
of our natural environmentthings that we're used to,
things where we're able to, wemay have more comfortable coming
up with the answers, butputting in ourselves in a
position, do that knowing fullwell what his condition is, and
then for you guys to have thatexperience.
I could only imagine thedynamic of the group at that
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time and the camaraderie thatmust have just occurred with
that entire scenario.
So that's truly a powerfulstory.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And I think those stories at least in my
experience, they're available toall of us every day as we walk
in that, and I think that one ofthe big we talked about an
identity crisis earlier.
I think that one of the biggestissues that we're facing is
there's an ego getting in theway of recognizing who I am in
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christ and so it as a culture.
We often will ask people hey,what, what do you do?
What do you do?
And what they're meaning?
What they're asking you is whoare you?
Yeah, what they're actuallyasking you is what's your
identity?
I'm a firefighter, I'm aengineer, I'm an entrepreneur,
I'm a analyst, whatever it might.
I'm an artist, I'm a creator,I'm a musician, I'm an athlete.
(29:10):
What they're asking you is anidentity question.
We're answering it the wrongway, and so if men could reframe
the way that they answered thatquestion is when people ask me
what I do, as I say as little aspossible, I'm a father, because
I'm shifting the neuralpathways in my mind to put more
value on being a father thatwalks in authority of the spirit
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than on the hustle and grind.
Yeah, I can hustle and grind.
I've been doing it for 30 years, but the lord's telling you hey
, hustle and grind is not my wayand it's not my best for your
life.
Yes, there are a lot of themwho have created great wealth
through hustle and grind, butthey've also paid a high price,
yeah, on their health, on theirrelationships, on their mental
stability.
And I think that if we canembrace the identity question
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who am I, where am I, what do Iwant and why do I want it?
Those four questions are goingto lead you to making different
decisions that are going to openup an entire universe.
If you're ready, yeah,absolutely.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And then listening to you tell that, I think about
the way to the kingdom isthrough faith and works, not
meeting the hustle and grind,but being able to be open and
understanding that, walking inthe way Christ said that he was
the way.
So are we living our lives inaccordance to how he lives and
how he would have lived?
And I think that's thedisconnect we have for humanity
(30:32):
today is that we just don't havethat guiding light.
And I think the more that wecome to this and we find and we
have that guiding light, thenthings will start to change.
And I already see stuff'shappening now and we're starting
to evolve.
It was just pretty dark timethere a few years back that I
wasn't sure which way this worldwas going to turn, but I have
much more hope for where we aretoday.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
There's an awakening.
I think that's a man.
I had wrestled for years withhow to hear the Lord's voice.
Now he trained me in differentways or I've got a whole story
going back 25 years of how Ilearned to become confident.
But I remember years ago Iasked the Lord.
I'm like, hey, how do I knowI'm hearing your voice?
And I really believe he gave mea framework that I teach people
(31:16):
that might even be helpful tothe listeners.
Just, I call it five keys toeffective prayer Position your
heart, remove distractions,expect encounters, believe what
you hear and take action.
And if we come to God with apure heart and we are looking
for direction, connection orcorrection, but we're open for
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whatever the Father wants togive us and we let our ego get
out of the way and then weremove distractions, whatever
that might look like for you itmight be taking an hour in the
morning.
I like to get up at 4 amTypically.
Sometimes I'm up earlier.
It's like the quiet time in themorning to be able.
I like late night walks.
I love being in the hot tub.
There's just certain thingsthat for me, if I need to
disconnect, I'll go take a hotshower, I'll put myself
(32:03):
somewhere that there's nodistraction.
Then expect encounters.
I've got to believe God's goingto show up.
I'm either going to thinksomething, feel something, know
something, smell something orsee something.
Something feel something, knowsomething, smell something or
see something Through one of mysenses.
I have to believe that God isgoing to communicate with me
because he loves me as a son.
And if I have that expectation,then when I expect those
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encounters and I get them now,alan I have to believe what I
heard.
And this is where the identityissue comes in.
This is where most men fail.
I think God said, but I don'tknow for sure.
Therefore, I won't act Now ifyou don't believe, you won't act
.
The fifth step is the key toeverything, which is action.
You have to take action, and Ibelieve that scripture says it's
impossible to please Godwithout faith If you're not
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taking action on what you thinkhe told you if you put all those
things in place, you can trustyour hearing God, because he's
not a confusing God, he's not amean tyrant.
And so if we're coming with ahumble heart, removing
distractions, expectingencounters, we can believe and
we can take action.
And a lot of men feeldisconnected from God, I would
argue, because they didn'tbelieve what they heard last
(33:10):
time and they didn't take action.
And you're.
You have clients.
If you have a client thatdoesn't do what you tell them to
do for a period of time, I'llfire clients like hey, you're
paying me to get your resultsbut you're not actually doing
what I'm telling me to do, whichmeans you're wasting your money
and I'm wasting my time.
Yeah, there's an action thathas to be taken.
(33:32):
A friend, you give a friendgood counsel and they choose to
ignore it time and time again.
At some point you stop givingcounsel.
So there's a lot of men theresaying God doesn't talk to me,
what I'd say, what was the lastthing he said to you?
And have you done it yet?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
revelation, right, Some that burning bush moment in
order, that it needs to be thatprofound, but it can come
through a friend's voice,through our spouse, through lots
of different means.
And if we're, the other thing Ithink about is am I open and
willing and able to receive it?
Because I think God alwaysgives us what we want, but are
we able to accept it and receiveit?
And that's a big challenge formany of us.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah, I think that's where humility, there's one of
the things I talked aboutbriefly, just because it's not
talked about outside ofreligious circles but there's a,
there's an unseen realm.
So, even dealing withprincipalities and spirits like
Leviathan and Jezebel Leviathanbeing the father of pride there
are deeply rooted principalitiesof pride that are taking place
(34:34):
on the spiritual level.
We're not dealing with thosethings.
Pride's a sneaky devil, justlike religion.
It'll tell you you're too goodand not good enough on the same
day, depending on where yourmindset, and so pride keeps us
from intimacy with the father.
Pride keeps us frominterestingly, false humility is
rooted in pride.
So when people act, when theyknow that they're powerful,
(34:55):
that's actually pride that'sdoing that, and so we've just
twisted things up in a way.
There's so much confusiontaking place and I think we just
have to step back and recognizethat mental health is a major
issue in our world today,especially among men, especially
middle-aged men, right, and Ithink that if we could just slow
down, get out of the shame,guilt and obligation, recognize
(35:18):
our position as a son to thefather, learn to operate in the
power and authority of thespirit, it shifts and then get a
band of brothers around youbecause nothing happens in the
back.
I don't think that God operatesvery long or very well outside
of community and fellowship.
There's a reason, koinonia whenwe read through scripture, it's
important to go back to thegreek on some of these things
(35:39):
and people will argue abouttranslations.
I'm like listen, I don't carewhich translation you read,
they're all translated from thegreek and the hebrew.
Let's go back to the root.
Ask the spirit of god to revealto you what is koinonia, what's
agape, what's dunamis, what'sapocalypses?
When we talk about theapocalypse, it's the revealing.
God was to reveal.
His kingdom on earth is, andwe've turned it into the zombie
(36:00):
apocalypse.
You know, let's what if we wereto?
What if we were to pull theveil back a little bit and just
get intellectually honest withwhat's actually going on in the
unseen realm?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
beautiful brother, just beautiful.
I always say in our work herethat we need that.
There are three differentstages of mentorship.
We cover the first stages wecome in, we're looking for
mentors, so that's part ofjoining a group.
Then in the second stage is wehave, we're looking for peers to
come with us on that, so we'rebeing mentored, being mentored
(36:30):
together.
And the last stage is that weneed to have mentees.
We need to find that otherperson that we can help mentee.
And my question to you is thatI'm sure through your course of
your life that you've had thatmentor that has guided you.
So what was the been, what it'sbeen the best piece of advice
you've ever been given?
How is it still serving youtoday?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I had a mentor, a spiritual mentor, for 14 years
before I passed away of thecancer, and I think that's I
think it's less about the onepiece of advice and more about
the manner in which he respondedto my question, responded to my
(37:16):
question, and so whenever Iwould ask him for advice or ask
him for counsel or I waswrestling with something, he
would always, in a storytellingway, reference scripture.
Paul said it like this, davidsaid it like this, so he would
relate what I was going throughwith, something that was
happening with somebody inscripture, and how they
navigated the uncertainties, howthey dealt with their sin and
(37:39):
their shame, how they brought itbefore the Lord, how they saw
in part and not fully, how they.
King David danced with joy andirreverence, according to
everybody else, including hiswife, that the Lord was pleased
with it.
So I think that for me it wasjust about making it relatable,
and also I personally have foundvery few, if any, mentors who
(38:05):
understood the spiritual realmand understood the business,
family life realm, and so I'vehad to piece things together.
But what I would encourageanybody to think about when they
are looking for a mentor is tofind someone who isn't just
hyper spiritual and doesn'tunderstand the practical
applications of life, becausethere is a place of dominion
(38:26):
where we have to.
We're creators, we'reco-creators with god, yes, and
if we're not creating, we'reactually not living into the
expansion he's created us fornow the flip side.
If we're not creating, we'reactually not living into the
expansion he's created us forNow the flip side.
If we're just about creatingand we're forgetting about the
supernatural realm, being ableto see what the Father's doing,
how to partner with him, we'remissing opportunities to see the
(38:47):
supernatural happen in andaround us, not because we're not
capable, but because we're nottuned in yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
What a great way to summarize that, Trevor.
We've talked about quite a bitof stuff here today, but not all
over the place.
But if there was a centraltheme or one thing you would
really like our listeners totake away from this conversation
, what would that be?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
I think that the very simple equation that I've come
up with for years.
I've read the Lord.
What's the simplicity of thegospel?
If I could just summarize thegospel, what would that be?
And I think that if we justunderstand that our identity
equals our ability and we canlive our lives in such a way to
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uncover and reveal our truestidentity, according to the way
God sees us, it will unlock ourability to be great husbands, be
great businessmen, to be greatcommunity leaders, to be great
fulfilling fathers.
We can't operate with greaterability than how we see
(39:54):
ourselves.
I remember Jesus asked Peter whodo they say that?
And he's like they say you'rethis, and some say this, and
some say that.
And he's like who do you say?
This is an identity question.
Because Jesus was asking theidentity question.
But, peter, who do you say that?
Because what you're about to do, I'm going to establish my
(40:15):
church, my ecclesia, not thechurch we know it as, but the
called out ones.
I'm going to establish thiscalled out group of people on
the back of who you believe I am.
And he said you're.
You're the son of god.
And he said surely you've seenthat this was given to you
through revelation?
(40:35):
I think that the only way wecan understand our identity is
through revelation.
So you can try, you can hustle,you can grind, you can hire all
the coaches you want, until youput yourself in an environment
to really get honest and have arevelation not only of the
kingdom but who you are.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
And have a revelation not only of the kingdom but who
you are, you will always leavethat potential on the table
Makes complete sense, man Trevor, what a great way to wrap up
our conversation today.
I just want to say thank you somuch, my friend, for joining us
and helping us reallyunderstand how we can discover
our God-given identity and so wecan walk in our authority.
And so if men are interested ingetting ahold of you and
participating in your work,what's the best way for them to
(41:17):
do that?
Speaker 3 (41:18):
My website is the easiest trevordunbarcom that
runs links to everything else.
I've got a seven day outlierchallenge that you can take.
That just starts opening theconversation around.
Who am I?
Where am I?
What do I want?
Why?
How do I navigate the life thatI've been called to and that
I'd like to create?
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Right on.
I'm going to have that as wellas anywhere you are on social
media, as well as a link to yourbook, the Good Cult, to
discover how Christianityhijacked your purpose, power and
passion and how you can take itall back.
And so thank you once again, myfriend, for being on the show.
I loved our conversation today.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Thanks, alan, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
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.
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Speaker 2 (00:59):
The average man today is sleepwalking through life,
many never reaching their truepotential, let alone ever
crossing the finish line toliving a purposeful life.
Yet the hunger still exists,albeit buried amidst his
cluttered mind, misguidedbeliefs and values that no
longer serve him.
It's time to align yourself forgreatness.
(01:20):
It's time to become arevolutionary man.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Stay strong, my brother.
So welcome everyone to theRevolutionary man Podcast.
I'm the founder of the Awakenedman Movement and your host,
alan DeMonsoul.
Before we get started, allow meto ask you a couple of
questions.
Are you living boldly in yourGod-given identity, or are you
still trapped by systems andexpectations that keep you from
experiencing true freedom andpurpose?
And how would your life bedifferent and change if you
(01:53):
could confidently hear God'svoice, break free from guilt,
fear and step fully into yourpotential?
You know, many of us wereraised in traditional religious
homes, growing to church onSundays, sunday school and all
that, and yet we live out of theremainder of our week often
finding ourselves living in adifferent plan, one that can
(02:15):
often lead us to pain, toanxiety and to loss.
And so if religion isn't whatthat answer is for you, then
what is the other question?
And so today we're going toexplore that and we're going to
unpack a ton of other stuff, sowe don't want you to go away.
Go anywhere and pay attentionto our new guests.
That's coming on today.
Trevor Dunbar is an author,speaker, mentor and co-founder
(02:36):
of the Outlier brand.
He inspires pioneers, creators,entrepreneurs, free thinkers
and leaders to discover who theyare and what they're capable of
.
He's a dedicated husband andfather of five.
Trevor lives in Austin, texas,with his wife, bridget, and his
youngest son, maverick love thatname and retired firefighter
and businessman with threedecades of experience, he's
(02:56):
committed to uniting andequipping the global movement of
truth seekers and bold leadersto embrace their God-given
identity and realize their fullpotential.
So welcome to the show today,trevor.
How are things, my friend?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Thanks, alan.
It's an honor to be here.
Things are great.
Things are great Juggling,juggling, it all.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, there we go.
I was, as we were getting onhere you're talking about.
You're both.
We're both busy.
Right, you were traveling todayand we're trying to get
ourselves set up today, but itseems like we're always on a
journey, are we not?
And so my opening question forall of my guests is to talk
about their hero's quest.
So tell us about that time inyour life, that burning bush
experience, and how did thatexperience shape you into the
(03:37):
man you are today and the workthat you're doing?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
So I guess, to keep it short, I did not grow up in
the church, but I found God whenI was about 24, and about five
years into that I just wasfinding myself forward.
I was a firefighter lieutenant,I owned a small construction
company, I was a leader in mychurch, had the perfect picture
family, everything but it just Iwasn't experiencing in my life
(04:04):
what I was reading about inscripture, and so I really was
wrestling with God.
Through that process I feltlike the Lord had given me some
vision for, ironically, some ofthe things we're doing today.
But in that I left the firedepartment, sold my business,
moved across the country andshortly after that I had
literally a burning bushexperience where we were going
(04:26):
to Israel.
We were getting ready to meetthe prime minister and some
leaders in Israel, and so we haddedicated a 24 hour period that
we were going to go to a cabinin the North Georgia mountains
to pray.
And we get to the cabin and, aswe go in, not thinking anything
unusual, toss my bags down inthe room and I noticed a couple
of walking sticks leaning up mybags down in the room and I
noticed a couple walking sticksleaning up against the corner of
(04:49):
the room and don't think muchof it.
Head back upstairs and we'vegot some worship music playing
and some we're getting ready totake communion, a bottle of wine
, and I I really felt like thelord said go down and grab one
of those sticks.
And I still, at this period ofmy life, was not very confident
in whether I was hearing theLord's voice or not, but I
didn't know why I would havethat random thought.
(05:10):
And so I went downstairs andgrabbed the stick and then I
just asked what would you likeme to do with this?
Felt like he said we're allsupposed to hold onto it, my
friend.
And so I came upstairs and toldthe guy.
I said hey, I don't know forsure, but I feel like the Lord's
asking us to hold on to thisstick while we pray.
And so we all grabbed a hold ofthe stick and as soon as all
four of our hands hit that thing, the fire in the fireplace went
(05:33):
and it's full burning fire.
And at that exact moment, myfriend Gary, his phone went off
and I got a text message from awoman who'd been praying for us
and she said the Lord says toexpect angelic visitation today.
And we just felt this holymoment where we took our shoes
off like we're on holy groundand we just felt the weight of
(05:54):
the Lord, and that fire burnedfor about 10 minutes and it
really it came as a confirmationthat some things the Lord had
been speaking to me about mypurpose and my calling the
things that he had called me to,to some things the Lord had
been speaking to me about mypurpose and my calling the
things that he had called me to,and so not only was it a
confirmation, but it was acommissioning and it was the
thing that I had been searchingfor, which was the power of the
kingdom.
I've been trying to tap intothis realm that I read about but
(06:16):
just had never yet experiencedup until that point.
That opened the door tocountless experiences since then
that have really revealed thesupernatural power of the
kingdom that I believe most menare either consciously or
subconsciously searching for,and it's this power that we were
born for that most are notliving in.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Man, I just love that story.
Trevor, I just sit there justmaking a ton of notes.
As I said to you, I would Firstoff.
I'm just blown away at thetransformation.
Living something Let mehallucinate a little bit Was
being a firefighter like yourboyhood dream.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
No, I actually wanted to be a Navy SEAL and I was on
my way to the recruiter when Iwas 18.
Got pulled over doing 35 overand that was my ticket.
So I disqualified myself, nevermade my, never made it to the
recruiter and I my dad was a cop.
He introduced me to thefirefighters and my life took a
radical turn.
(07:14):
But that's how I ended up therereally cool, man, really cool.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'm glad that you also explained that story,
because it's, it seems and youmade a comment there you talked
about you weren't very confidentin hearing god's voice, and yet
these moments and these thingsare happening for you.
The fourth ticket leads you todoing firefighting, which then
leads you to starting on anotherjourney in another place, to
(07:38):
ultimately doing what you'redoing today, and I just think
it's just so powerful that formany of us I'm including myself
in that where we do tend tostruggle on trusting that voice,
and why do you think that is?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I think, ultimately because we have an identity
crisis.
I think that the biggest rootof our problem as men is that we
don't really know who we are.
We do know, but then all thevoices of shame, guilt and
obligation oftentimes given tous through the church, through
religion, through youth oreducation, through the family
(08:10):
unit, it's not, church isn't theonly system that has broken us
down.
There are many systems thathave controlled us and have
altered our identity, and so Ithink that when we don't trust
ourselves to believe that we arecapable of hearing God, we lack
that soul level certainty, andthat causes us to shrink back,
(08:32):
which keeps us from exercisingthe dominion that we were
created.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Man that makes so much sense to me.
I would completely agree withyou.
There is an identity crisis andthere's many different reasons
why that's occurring.
You've named a few there, andI'd also add to that that I
think it's also because where wehave where you also mentioned
earlier on that we're searchingand yet we don't really realize
what we're searching for.
You know we're looking for thatconnection to God.
(08:58):
So tell me a little bit abouthow, what your interpretation of
is you've gone on your journeythe difference between between
what you found, betweenChristianity as a religion and
the kingdom of God is.
You've been describing it sofar.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, I had a revelation in prayer one day
that the kingdom of God is arealm, not a religion, and I
began to really unpack that.
In fact, I felt like the Lordtold me that Christianity is the
good cult and I pushed back onthat and I'm like how could it
be the good cult?
Because Christianity issupposed to be the way to Jesus,
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all the different things.
But then when I really unpackedit, the truth is we were
created for relationship withthe Father and then that
communion was broken in thegarden, but then Jesus came back
and restored it and through thepower of the Holy Spirit, that
dunamis power that was given tous, we have access now, full
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access, to embody the authoritythat Christ has delegated to us.
And so we were born into asystem that makes Christianity
synonymous with being a followerof Jesus.
And it's very difficult even tohave this intellectually honest
conversation with most people,because most people love their
religion and I would suggestthere's even maybe a spirit of
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religion tied to that at somelevel.
There's a lot of pride thatcomes in with religion.
Religion is kind of a funnything, like pride, it'll tell
you too good and not good enough, all on the same day, and I
think what I've just reallyrealized is that there's a
difference between living as ason and living as a servant.
And when we're in a religion,we're ultimately serving a
system, and when we are insonship, we're actually walking
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in communion with our father andwe're embracing the identity
that he's bestowed on us to beable to live out the dominion
that we were created for lovethat I love.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I just made that note .
Living as a son versus livingas a servant, I think, is what
you said and I think about that,that relationship that we have
with father, and I think aboutyour relationship as a father.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So tell me how those mirror and how you show up in
life yeah, it's interesting, Iactually, in the good coal, I
wrote a chapter called thefather.
I was the father I'm becoming,and because my first four
children, who are now youngadults, I love God, I love them,
I love my wife, but I failed toprovide the emotional and
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spiritual leadership that theyneeded because I was so focused
on being a provider and so Ithrew all of my efforts into
creating that financial legacy,and for most people it doesn't
come as easily as it appearswhen you talk yourself into
hustling and grinding for threeyears for the sake of the family
and then we'll just coast therest of our life.
At least, for me, that two orthree years never actually
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turned out and so I reallyneglected.
But what I realized is that nowI have a newborn and I've gone
through a healing and atransformation process and I now
have a better reflection of whothe father is, which allows me
to be more of a father, a heartconnected father, and so I think
that how we see our fathers isoftentimes how we see the father
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.
So my father was veryemotionally disconnected.
His father was a veteran ofthree wars World War II, korea
and Vietnam Seldom aroundraising my dad, so my dad had no
ability to connect emotion, hewas insecure.
He was a great man, honest, allthe themes, but he didn't teach
me how to be an emotionallyconnected son.
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So I think when I've gonethrough that healing process now
I've recognized, oh, the fatherhas raised me in a way, has
brought spiritual maturity.
That's recognized that, hey,we're not really created for
hustle and grind, we're createdfor revelation, communion,
relationship.
You never saw Jesus in a hurry,he wasn't stressed, he wasn't
working 24 hour nights.
When Lazarus died, he wasn'tstressed about it.
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He took four days to get thereand this was his good friend.
And I think there's a way wecan step back and embrace that
role of father and ask ourselveshow do we really see God as
father, versus as the dictator,or versus as this all powerful
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being that?
Why would he let bad thingshappen to good people?
All these questions that peoplewrestle with?
I think when we understandsonship, we start to get better,
a better understanding of whatthat actually looks like in real
life.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I completely agree with that and I there is so much
.
So everything you just said isjust a huge truth bomb there,
because it is totally how ourrelationship with our father
reflects on the relationshipthat we become as fathers and
it's so important as men.
And your story resonates deeplywith me because that's how I
was in my 20s, focused on mycareer and on my business, and
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it also mean it did cost me myfamily and my marriage and a
bunch of other stuff, and ittook.
It took almost another 20 yearsto get back on track, to really
come back to seeking and beingin communion with God on a
regular basis, and so I thinkfor many of us, this is our
hero's journey.
It is the journey of fallingaway, thinking we've got a few
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things figured out, I'm going tobe the provider, and then
recognizing that it's only onepart of the answer, and it's do
we have the guts to go get therest of that answer?
And you're a testament to that.
So I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, it's one of those I often ask the question.
It's a controversial question.
It stirs up the religiouspeople.
What if Christianity was thegreatest deception played
against humanity since theGarden of Eden?
Because if identity is trulywhat gives us our power and we
can put a religion, a system anda structure in place that gives
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us 90% truth, that just filtersin the 10% that keeps us
becoming powerful, we becomelike.
Jordan Peterson says that aharmless man is not a good man.
A good man is a very dangerousman who keeps it under voluntary
control.
See, we were, I believe,created to be dangerous and to
keep that under voluntarycontrol.
There's the lion and the lamb,and religion has been something
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that has almost castrated us tosome degree and is, as taught us
how to be nice guys, a good guyand all that.
And I just I think that there'sa sense of morality that we're
called to for sure, and there'salso, I believe, we have to have
a pure heart to be able to seegod, but we have to have a
savage mind to be able toadvance the kingdom.
And if you have too much savagemind without a pure heart, you
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become one kingdom, and if youhave too much savage mind
without a pure heart, you becomeone of the wolves.
If you have too much of a pureheart with no savage mind, you
become one of the sheep, andwhat we're supposed to be is a
sheep dog in the kingdom, and Ithink just very few have
captured that revelation.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Oh, great way to put that together.
Great way.
I just love that.
How can you know?
Obviously, on this journey forus as men, we're going to come
across some different emotions,emotions like guilt and shame
and especially of fear.
We did a series this summerwith my group on the book Seven
Messengers of Fear from DennisMerritt Jones and I got to tell
you it was.
We dealt a lot with our, withguilt and shame, as two of those
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, of two of those fears.
Tell me a little bit about whatyou've found, about how people
can and how yourself haveovercome feeling these not that
they don't ever exist anymore.
What are some things you'vebeen doing to overcome guilt,
shame and fear For me, I justwhen I really.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
It's been a long journey of unpacking and a lot
of failure and trials andquestioning God, but when I
really came to embrace the factthat we're living in an unseen
realm on a daily basis and wehave to address those issues in
that realm with authority beforewe can expect things in our
natural life to change.
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And so when we're dealing withfear, shame, guilt, anxiety,
confusion these all have aspiritual root to them and we
oftentimes allow these spiritualroots to take hold in our life
unknowingly.
And CS Lewis in the ScrewtapeLetters talked a little bit
about the wows of the devil andhow he keeps humans ultimately
just dumb and happy in thecorner praying to a hypothetical
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God.
I think that when we can seethat we have an actual enemy
named Satan he's a fallen angel,he's jealous of our communion
with the Father, he's jealous ofwhat he'll never have again.
He's at war with us because hehates God we get to then step
into a place of getting therevelation of our actual
authority.
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When you read through scripture,there's the seven sons of Sceva
and they went and they tried tocast out this demon.
And they're like hey, listen, Iknow Paul and I know Jesus, but
who are you?
And they ended up taking him tothe mat.
I think there are people thatcan operate to a degree of
authority because we've beengiven dominion, who may or may
not be in direct communion withthe Father, but for the most
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most part, true spiritualauthority has to come through
humility and submission to jesuschrist, through communion with
the father.
Jesus only did what he saw thefather doing so when I have the
mind of christ, the heart of thefather and the power of the
spirit, the power of the spirit.
If I come into every situationsay lord, let the spirit, let
your spirit fall upon me, aspirit of wisdom and
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understanding, counsel, might,knowledge, fear the Lord, and
then I can take that spiritualauthority of position and I can
come against fear, I can comeagainst anxiety, I can come
against confusion, and whathappens is your field.
Things physically break off ofyou and this is what a lot of
our men in the retreats privatecoaching experience.
Because it's not that you haveto work hard or hustle to give
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this, it's a free gift, but youhave to be submitted with
humility and you have to havesomebody who understands and
walks in the authority of thespirit to be able to bring that.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Well, that's a big word you're bringing up there,
and that's submission, and formany men, you know that's alone
that word brings fear andanxiety on us, because we may
interpret that meaning well thenI'm becoming weak.
However, the ability to be ableto submit to something that's
much greater than we are isactually a show of strength,
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because that's when we can startto lead ourselves.
And so let's talk a little bitabout your work that you're
doing with men.
Let's talk about the outliercommunity and everything you've
got going on there.
Tell us a little bit about it.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, first, just even on going back to Moses and
the burning bush, here's a manwho was known as the meekest man
on earth and he actually didhave some fear and some
insecurities about beingpowerful, but when he came into
full submission to the father,he brought a message to Pharaoh
that it's unparalleled Right,and so there's a lot of power in
submission that we forgetsometimes.
But yeah, as far as men, it'sjust been a passion.
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I, for probably a decade, havebeen leading men either on
wilderness retreats, one-on-onementoring, coaching.
I prefer mentoring.
It's a little bit more of afathering.
It's not just about knockingdown targets and goals in your
business.
While those things areimportant, they need to be
weaved in, but it's about reallyunderstanding a healed process
and transforming.
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So I work with men one-on-onein small groups and in retreats.
My wife and I have launched theoutlier brand together and our
mission with that really is toconnect specifically with the
younger generation, millennials,gen Z, who just have been
disillusioned by religion.
They're looking for truth, butthey're not really finding any
leaders that they're resonatingwith, and so we have a framework
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there.
It's basically a lifestylebrand.
It's a for-profit organization.
We've got apparel resources,outpost groups where we teach
people just to have fellowshipand community that accesses the
power of God in a natural way intheir life, on their terms.
And then we're actuallylaunching what's called the
Revealing Tour, so we're takingit from city to city and we're
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doing pop-up events where we getto reveal the kingdom of God to
people in a way that maybethey've never experienced before
.
And for me, although I haveexperienced the kingdom in and
around church, it's not whereI've been called to, so my
passion is to work with peoplewho would never step foot in a
church, who maybe even wouldhave skepticism about religion,
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and have an honest conversationabout what they really want in
their life and introduce them tothe Father.
My wife has a ton of educationpsychology degree master's and
she's been a licensed marriageand family therapist for over a
decade, so together we created acoaching framework called the
Breakthrough Blueprint, and sothat's something we also offer,
not just in our one-on-onementoring, but also in my book,
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the Outlier or the Law ofAbility.
I talk about that.
That as well.
We're weaving all thisconversation in, and it
ultimately comes down to theconversation of identity and
relationships with self, god andothers.
I think that all the answerswe're looking for in life are
about our identity and about ourrelationship with ourself, with
God and with others, and if wecan tackle those four pillars,
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we just walk in the freedom thatGod designs.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
You know, I was just making a note there.
I think that is so important.
What we're focused on our workhere with our band of brothers,
our group mentoring program isthe year 2025, is about living
with integrity, and we take themthrough a process, a
self-assessment tool that getsthem an opportunity to figure
out what part of their life arethey living out of integrity and
similar to what you're talkingabout.
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It's not so much about okay,we're going to hit a certain
goal, although that's part of it.
It's really about how are weidentifying ourselves and how
are we showing up in alldifferent aspects of our life,
because very few times do we asmen do we even spend time
thinking about that.
We're usually in provider modeand then, when we have to, we
fall into protector.
We don't get into really therelationship aspect with
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ourselves and with our family.
And so I love the work that youand your wife are doing in
taking it on the road now,because I think it's important
and I see that today, themessage of God and the message
of Christ is coming forward inso many wonderful ways outside
of a traditional church and pewenvironment, and I think that's
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what's so powerful.
I think that's why more andmore men are starting to open up
to why.
Hey, I want to hear a littlebit more about what you have to
say about that, trevor Allen.
I want to hear a little bitmore what you have to say about
that because it.
I want to hear a little bitmore what you have to say about
that because it's it is in adifferent environment and you're
walking it.
And the next question I havefor you is how do you not only
just demonstrate that, but howdo you take someone who is
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struggling in life today andtrying to wrestle and they're
wrestling with their identity tobe able to walk with more
authority and dominion so theycan transform their life?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
authority and dominion so they can transform
their life.
I think every circumstance isunique, but I'll just tell I
guess tell one story that will.
That, I think, shows one waythat it can happen.
First, you talk about,oftentimes we focus on the wrong
thing.
We look at it as identity,health, wealth and relationships
.
Those are the.
Those are the four things thatwe have to deal with.
Health, wealth andrelationships are typically what
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people will pay for.
Identity is the answer to makeall of them good, right.
So nobody will pay for identity, but they'll pay for a problem
in their health, a problem intheir wealth or a problem in
their.
So I took a group of menhigh-powered executives, ceos,
very wealthy, successful men outinto the Bob Marshall
wilderness a few years ago inMontana, and it was rugged
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terrain.
11 miles back we took some packhorses for supplies, but most
of the guys hiked in and thisparticular man knew that he was
supposed to go, so he signed upgo in.
He was going slower.
I held back to the back of thepack with him, talked, built
some relationship, didn't knowhim before the retreat and we
got out there.
I took people through a processlike I typically do and when
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they came back after some timereflecting and praying, I put
this man in the hot seat forprayer and he was sitting up
against a tree up at thecampfire and I just was speaking
over him and I laid my hand onhim and I just said something
about the fire of God fall onyou.
And when I did that, boom, anexplosion went off.
It was dynamite.
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And we're back in the bobmarshall wilderness at 11 miles
right, and so we're all there'sseven or eight of us there and
I'm like we're all like whatjust happened?
And it turns out the forestservice was blasting trail about
a mile down the trail, but itjust so happened.
When I said fire of heaven,boom, that explosion went off.
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And, as Dunamis, you know, whenJesus ascended he said I'm
going to give you power, whichis Dunamis, which is where the
word dynamite comes from.
And so there's this power thatwe've just been talking about
Dunamis, power in this group,right.
All that to say, fast forwardsix months and I learned about
some of these things throughoutthe process.
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But I ended up having afollow-up interview with this
man.
He had actually had internalpacking for a month, or what's
the deal?
Everybody else had one backpack, he had his backpack and then
he had a full another pack onone of the horses.
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Well, it turns out he hadmedical supplies to manage his
bleeding while he was on thetrip wow, and he knew that he
wasn't going to be able to gounless he had that.
But he really felt like god wasgoing to bring him healing on
this trip.
Turns out, after that prayer,his body was healed of the
internal bleeding never cameback six months later and it
never came back.
But this is even the bigger partof that is that he said that
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what actually he felt like was abigger healing in him than the
physical aspect was emotionalhas a better father, a better
husband.
He was seeing equations in hisbusiness that were allowing him
to be able to increase profitswith less work.
There was like an internalshift and transformation that
had happened that allowed him tosee the father in eyes that
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he'd never seen him.
He was more raised aroundreligion.
He knew the Bible, he had allthe scriptures.
He was a theologian, he studied, but he hadn't experienced the
love of the father.
He had all the scriptures, hewas a theologian, he studied,
but he hadn't experienced thelove of the Father.
He hadn't experienced the powerof the Spirit just through a
humble experience out in thewood, and so that's one example
of how that's what he needed Now.
That created a ripple effectamongst all the men in the group
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, because everybody's watchingthis happen.
There's tears, not a dry eyearound the campfire.
It's amazing how a tough,strong, rich man becomes so
vulnerable when you stick himout in the middle of the
wilderness.
We've all got guns strapped toour chest.
There's grizzly bears andwolves and mountain lions, and
so I think, when we get out ofour environment whether it's in
the wilderness, whether it's ina home, whether it's on a prayer
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walk, whether it's choosing tohire a mentor or a coach to come
alongside you, I think thatwhen we choose to get
uncomfortable and get vulnerable, it gives us the opportunity to
address some of those heartissues that the father wants to
deal with All right Goosebumpsjust listening to that story.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
That's unbelievable, my friend, and it's so true.
When you get out of ourselvesget ourselves, I should say, out
of our natural environmentthings that we're used to,
things where we're able to, wemay have more comfortable coming
up with the answers, butputting in ourselves in a
position, do that knowing fullwell what his condition is, and
then for you guys to have thatexperience.
I could only imagine thedynamic of the group at that
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time and the camaraderie thatmust have just occurred with
that entire scenario.
So that's truly a powerfulstory.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And I think those stories at least in my
experience, they're available toall of us every day as we walk
in that, and I think that one ofthe big we talked about an
identity crisis earlier.
I think that one of the biggestissues that we're facing is
there's an ego getting in theway of recognizing who I am in
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christ and so it as a culture.
We often will ask people hey,what, what do you do?
What do you do?
And what they're meaning?
What they're asking you is whoare you?
Yeah, what they're actuallyasking you is what's your
identity?
I'm a firefighter, I'm aengineer, I'm an entrepreneur,
I'm a analyst, whatever it might.
I'm an artist, I'm a creator,I'm a musician, I'm an athlete.
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What they're asking you is anidentity question.
We're answering it the wrongway, and so if men could reframe
the way that they answered thatquestion is when people ask me
what I do, as I say as little aspossible, I'm a father, because
I'm shifting the neuralpathways in my mind to put more
value on being a father thatwalks in authority of the spirit
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than on the hustle and grind.
Yeah, I can hustle and grind.
I've been doing it for 30 years, but the lord's telling you hey
, hustle and grind is not my wayand it's not my best for your
life.
Yes, there are a lot of themwho have created great wealth
through hustle and grind, butthey've also paid a high price,
yeah, on their health, on theirrelationships, on their mental
stability.
And I think that if we canembrace the identity question
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who am I, where am I, what do Iwant and why do I want it?
Those four questions are goingto lead you to making different
decisions that are going to openup an entire universe.
If you're ready, yeah,absolutely.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And then listening to you tell that, I think about
the way to the kingdom isthrough faith and works, not
meeting the hustle and grind,but being able to be open and
understanding that, walking inthe way Christ said that he was
the way.
So are we living our lives inaccordance to how he lives and
how he would have lived?
And I think that's thedisconnect we have for humanity
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today is that we just don't havethat guiding light.
And I think the more that wecome to this and we find and we
have that guiding light, thenthings will start to change.
And I already see stuff'shappening now and we're starting
to evolve.
It was just pretty dark timethere a few years back that I
wasn't sure which way this worldwas going to turn, but I have
much more hope for where we aretoday.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
There's an awakening.
I think that's a man.
I had wrestled for years withhow to hear the Lord's voice.
Now he trained me in differentways or I've got a whole story
going back 25 years of how Ilearned to become confident.
But I remember years ago Iasked the Lord.
I'm like, hey, how do I knowI'm hearing your voice?
And I really believe he gave mea framework that I teach people
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that might even be helpful tothe listeners.
Just, I call it five keys toeffective prayer Position your
heart, remove distractions,expect encounters, believe what
you hear and take action.
And if we come to God with apure heart and we are looking
for direction, connection orcorrection, but we're open for
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whatever the Father wants togive us and we let our ego get
out of the way and then weremove distractions, whatever
that might look like for you itmight be taking an hour in the
morning.
I like to get up at 4 amTypically.
Sometimes I'm up earlier.
It's like the quiet time in themorning to be able.
I like late night walks.
I love being in the hot tub.
There's just certain thingsthat for me, if I need to
disconnect, I'll go take a hotshower, I'll put myself
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somewhere that there's nodistraction.
Then expect encounters.
I've got to believe God's goingto show up.
I'm either going to thinksomething, feel something, know
something, smell something orsee something.
Something feel something, knowsomething, smell something or
see something Through one of mysenses.
I have to believe that God isgoing to communicate with me
because he loves me as a son.
And if I have that expectation,then when I expect those
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encounters and I get them now,alan I have to believe what I
heard.
And this is where the identityissue comes in.
This is where most men fail.
I think God said, but I don'tknow for sure.
Therefore, I won't act Now ifyou don't believe, you won't act
.
The fifth step is the key toeverything, which is action.
You have to take action, and Ibelieve that scripture says it's
impossible to please Godwithout faith If you're not
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taking action on what you thinkhe told you if you put all those
things in place, you can trustyour hearing God, because he's
not a confusing God, he's not amean tyrant.
And so if we're coming with ahumble heart, removing
distractions, expectingencounters, we can believe and
we can take action.
And a lot of men feeldisconnected from God, I would
argue, because they didn'tbelieve what they heard last
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time and they didn't take action.
And you're.
You have clients.
If you have a client thatdoesn't do what you tell them to
do for a period of time, I'llfire clients like hey, you're
paying me to get your resultsbut you're not actually doing
what I'm telling me to do, whichmeans you're wasting your money
and I'm wasting my time.
Yeah, there's an action thathas to be taken.
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A friend, you give a friendgood counsel and they choose to
ignore it time and time again.
At some point you stop givingcounsel.
So there's a lot of men theresaying God doesn't talk to me,
what I'd say, what was the lastthing he said to you?
And have you done it yet?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
revelation, right, Some that burning bush moment in
order, that it needs to be thatprofound, but it can come
through a friend's voice,through our spouse, through lots
of different means.
And if we're, the other thing Ithink about is am I open and
willing and able to receive it?
Because I think God alwaysgives us what we want, but are
we able to accept it and receiveit?
And that's a big challenge formany of us.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah, I think that's where humility, there's one of
the things I talked aboutbriefly, just because it's not
talked about outside ofreligious circles but there's a,
there's an unseen realm.
So, even dealing withprincipalities and spirits like
Leviathan and Jezebel Leviathanbeing the father of pride there
are deeply rooted principalitiesof pride that are taking place
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on the spiritual level.
We're not dealing with thosethings.
Pride's a sneaky devil, justlike religion.
It'll tell you you're too goodand not good enough on the same
day, depending on where yourmindset, and so pride keeps us
from intimacy with the father.
Pride keeps us frominterestingly, false humility is
rooted in pride.
So when people act, when theyknow that they're powerful,
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that's actually pride that'sdoing that, and so we've just
twisted things up in a way.
There's so much confusiontaking place and I think we just
have to step back and recognizethat mental health is a major
issue in our world today,especially among men, especially
middle-aged men, right, and Ithink that if we could just slow
down, get out of the shame,guilt and obligation, recognize
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our position as a son to thefather, learn to operate in the
power and authority of thespirit, it shifts and then get a
band of brothers around youbecause nothing happens in the
back.
I don't think that God operatesvery long or very well outside
of community and fellowship.
There's a reason, koinonia whenwe read through scripture, it's
important to go back to thegreek on some of these things
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and people will argue abouttranslations.
I'm like listen, I don't carewhich translation you read,
they're all translated from thegreek and the hebrew.
Let's go back to the root.
Ask the spirit of god to revealto you what is koinonia, what's
agape, what's dunamis, what'sapocalypses?
When we talk about theapocalypse, it's the revealing.
God was to reveal.
His kingdom on earth is, andwe've turned it into the zombie
(36:00):
apocalypse.
You know, let's what if we wereto?
What if we were to pull theveil back a little bit and just
get intellectually honest withwhat's actually going on in the
unseen realm?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
beautiful brother, just beautiful.
I always say in our work herethat we need that.
There are three differentstages of mentorship.
We cover the first stages wecome in, we're looking for
mentors, so that's part ofjoining a group.
Then in the second stage is wehave, we're looking for peers to
come with us on that, so we'rebeing mentored, being mentored
(36:30):
together.
And the last stage is that weneed to have mentees.
We need to find that otherperson that we can help mentee.
And my question to you is thatI'm sure through your course of
your life that you've had thatmentor that has guided you.
So what was the been, what it'sbeen the best piece of advice
you've ever been given?
How is it still serving youtoday?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I had a mentor, a spiritual mentor, for 14 years
before I passed away of thecancer, and I think that's I
think it's less about the onepiece of advice and more about
the manner in which he respondedto my question, responded to my
(37:16):
question, and so whenever Iwould ask him for advice or ask
him for counsel or I waswrestling with something, he
would always, in a storytellingway, reference scripture.
Paul said it like this, davidsaid it like this, so he would
relate what I was going throughwith, something that was
happening with somebody inscripture, and how they
navigated the uncertainties, howthey dealt with their sin and
(37:39):
their shame, how they brought itbefore the Lord, how they saw
in part and not fully, how they.
King David danced with joy andirreverence, according to
everybody else, including hiswife, that the Lord was pleased
with it.
So I think that for me it wasjust about making it relatable,
and also I personally have foundvery few, if any, mentors who
(38:05):
understood the spiritual realmand understood the business,
family life realm, and so I'vehad to piece things together.
But what I would encourageanybody to think about when they
are looking for a mentor is tofind someone who isn't just
hyper spiritual and doesn'tunderstand the practical
applications of life, becausethere is a place of dominion
(38:26):
where we have to.
We're creators, we'reco-creators with god, yes, and
if we're not creating, we'reactually not living into the
expansion he's created us fornow the flip side.
If we're not creating, we'reactually not living into the
expansion he's created us forNow the flip side.
If we're just about creatingand we're forgetting about the
supernatural realm, being ableto see what the Father's doing,
how to partner with him, we'remissing opportunities to see the
(38:47):
supernatural happen in andaround us, not because we're not
capable, but because we're nottuned in yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
What a great way to summarize that, Trevor.
We've talked about quite a bitof stuff here today, but not all
over the place.
But if there was a centraltheme or one thing you would
really like our listeners totake away from this conversation
, what would that be?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
I think that the very simple equation that I've come
up with for years.
I've read the Lord.
What's the simplicity of thegospel?
If I could just summarize thegospel, what would that be?
And I think that if we justunderstand that our identity
equals our ability and we canlive our lives in such a way to
(39:32):
uncover and reveal our truestidentity, according to the way
God sees us, it will unlock ourability to be great husbands, be
great businessmen, to be greatcommunity leaders, to be great
fulfilling fathers.
We can't operate with greaterability than how we see
(39:54):
ourselves.
I remember Jesus asked Peter whodo they say that?
And he's like they say you'rethis, and some say this, and
some say that.
And he's like who do you say?
This is an identity question.
Because Jesus was asking theidentity question.
But, peter, who do you say that?
Because what you're about to do, I'm going to establish my
(40:15):
church, my ecclesia, not thechurch we know it as, but the
called out ones.
I'm going to establish thiscalled out group of people on
the back of who you believe I am.
And he said you're.
You're the son of god.
And he said surely you've seenthat this was given to you
through revelation?
(40:35):
I think that the only way wecan understand our identity is
through revelation.
So you can try, you can hustle,you can grind, you can hire all
the coaches you want, until youput yourself in an environment
to really get honest and have arevelation not only of the
kingdom but who you are.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
And have a revelation not only of the kingdom but who
you are, you will always leavethat potential on the table
Makes complete sense, man Trevor, what a great way to wrap up
our conversation today.
I just want to say thank you somuch, my friend, for joining us
and helping us reallyunderstand how we can discover
our God-given identity and so wecan walk in our authority.
And so if men are interested ingetting ahold of you and
participating in your work,what's the best way for them to
(41:17):
do that?
Speaker 3 (41:18):
My website is the easiest trevordunbarcom that
runs links to everything else.
I've got a seven day outlierchallenge that you can take.
That just starts opening theconversation around.
Who am I?
Where am I?
What do I want?
Why?
How do I navigate the life thatI've been called to and that
I'd like to create?
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Right on.
I'm going to have that as wellas anywhere you are on social
media, as well as a link to yourbook, the Good Cult, to
discover how Christianityhijacked your purpose, power and
passion and how you can take itall back.
And so thank you once again, myfriend, for being on the show.
I loved our conversation today.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Thanks, alan, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
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