Balls to the Wall - Christopher Williams of Accept :: Ep 222 The Rich Redmond Show - The Rich Redmond Show

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And I'm tempted sometimes to learn the new

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cheese diddles and stuff, but Ialso realize, do I really need
this? I don't think so, but Ithink it's really cool that
what's a cheese
diddle? First and foremost,it's, well, they
sell them in the chip aisle,yeah, are
they? Are they a new item atbuckies Cheese dittles
are like, like, a flam with adrag and then another. You know?
It's
like, imagine a paradiddle.Okay, right, left, right, right.

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So put a flam on the firstright. And as well as a diddle,
dig it, that, dig at it, that,dig it, do that. He loves me.
And then once you get used tothat, now start it the other the
other hand. Because even thoughyou're alternating right to
left, so on and so a lot
of people think you're just aleather jacket wearing long

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haired rock drummer that rules,but no, but you're, you're
actually the guy that was like,Okay, now I'm gonna do this
exercise with my feet. I
would get, I would get, part ofthe reason that I can do a lot
of the stuff I can do is, like,I get bored middle school, I was
playing drums seven hours a day.Yeah,

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this is the rich Redmond show.
Hey, man, you know, it's thedrumming and doing what you'd
love for your life is your youthpill.
We did. We have a guy here whoworks for us. You met him
before. His name is DC, and he'sa professional bearder,
competitive bearding. It's athing. And I mean, his beard is

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amazingly beautiful, but thework,
the work that goes into thatbeard,
beard grooming, the oil, I
do that with my beard. Do you dothat? Like the oils? Yeah,
my wife makes some concoctionsand stuff, and I'll put them in
there. By the way, those areamazing

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truffles. It's a box oftruffles, right? The
main thing is, I wanted to getthem out of my house, yeah?
I'm like, don't do that. Mymother brought over. I don't
know why she had them, but shehad those Ferrero shades. Yeah,
those things are,
like, those are incredible,because I got a little crunch in
them. She don't have the crunch,but they're richer. Like, the

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milk is like, these cows arelike, princes, kings, or
whatever she
brought over the multi packoriginal dark chocolate and
coconut Yeah.
Oh, coconuts, my jam, likecoconut milk, coconut shavings,
coconut shrimp, anything,coconut carrot cake. I'm with
coconut flake on top, and it'sgot to have the cream cheese

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frosting, not the confession,not sugar, nope. If you're gonna
go
do
Oh, do do it. Go, big, just doit. Yeah, do it. You're gonna do
it. Do it, right? I tell youwhat, Jim,
what did you think of the
truffles? Do you like thetruffles were good? I had I had
one, and only one. That's good,because I'll eat that whole box.
You're
doing your thing. You know whereit came from? It came from my

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friend Stan Z Stan's lot, Koski.I want to give him some some
praise on the show, because he'skind of like a, oh God. He is a
supporter of the arts, an EriePA, Cleveland, you know, I did,
just did the weekend with him.He had me in for my kind of,
whatever you call it, MasterClass clinic, one man show,
motivational event, and hehosted, and he had it catered,

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and he was showing me all aroundtown, and it was just a great
time. And he said, Here, takethese truffles. And I just
wanted to get them out of myhouse, because sounds like it's
your kind of party, you know,you Oh, boy, you gotta. This is
what I tell everyone. You gotta,if you don't have to get ready,
if you stay ready. And our touris one month away. So, you know,
I've been hitting the gym anddrinking tons of water, doing my

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vitamins, doing my stretching,lifting the weights. Got the
paradiddles going, so I'm readyto go, but you need to play on a
kit, though, right? Yeah, youknow, all my friends at Remo
love you. Chris Hart, I've beenwith Remo since 1995 dinosaurs
roamed the earth, but I justordered a set of those silent
stroke heads so I can practice,you know, because I just moved

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into a new crib, and I haven'tbuilt a studio yet, and I want
to be sensitive to theneighbors. I just don't want
them to be eating me right outof the gate.
Is dw, they've got theelectronic kit out now, yes, and
they offer to send me one, and Igot to take them up on it. There
you go. Yeah, do it. There'syour answer. There's all sorts
of answers. Bluetooth thing. Sowho's that? Who's that that's

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talking to me across the wayfrom the Rosenberg 90th
anniversary drum. Case, youknow, while we're here, let's
give props to our friend. MikeBerg, it's an American company,
90 years in business.Congratulations, Mike,
absolutely. And you're also anartist, right? Chris, I am all
right. So here's the deal onChris. Christopher Williams,

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hailing from Greenville, SouthCarolina, calling Nashville home
since 2008 he's not even 40years old. He's a rock star.
Look at all the people that he'splayed with. Gene Simmons, Ace
freely, except Andrew W K Rex,brown, Derek, saying homes we
share. That did a little bitwith Derek. Derek, Mick, Mars,
Blackfoot, Lee green. Kid Rock.Peter Stroud, what a player her

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1000 horses. The list goes onand on. He's played with members
of P funk, lit love, those guys,the stones. We have to hear that
story. Kiss, slaughterCinderella. He works a lot
around town and on the road withPhil s house and Jeremy as
Brock. Sort of like the asBrock, don't say that too fast,
the kind of like, sort of likethe three kings of like classic
rock. You guys disagree. Yeah,doing the thing, man. And we're

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gonna talk about his educationand his background and what he's
doing. But really, the latestthing is, since 2015 celebrating
10 years, he has been thedrummer with the legendary metal
band, except you got your ballsto the wall kick. We're talking
about our friend ChristopherWilliams, What's up, buddy,
Brother, how are you rich? Iappreciate you making the trip

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out here. Absolutely.
Where's you coming down from?Where do you live in Hermitage?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's abit of a drive. That's all
right, but
you're right by the airport,which is great. That's the
best part. Yeah, and there'sseveral means to get to the
airport from Hermitage. Yes,
it's very, very convenient,speaking of the three kings,
when we are all kind of livingin those houses, living in those
houses, and Donaldson andHermitage, you know, we all

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lived in these band houses, andthen we had to get to the
airport. It was, like, amazing.And of course, this was pre
Uber, pre lift. So we would callthose cowboy cabs the the
minivan, yeah. And we'd be like,we've got a lot of gear, and we
have a flight to catch. Don't belate. They were always every
like, so it was, there was likea 20 years ago, it was difficult

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to get reliable transportation.Now everything is in our pocket.
Uber Lyft. You can order it thenight before. I always get
worried, like, I got still late,dude, 3:45am sometimes my pickup
is like, 3:45am and I'm like,Who is going to do this? And you
can't blame
them around here, though,because Nashville became
Nashville and it's overcrowded.
Yeah, as soon as those threethrough three cabs showed up,

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that's when the game changed,really. That's when it was when
you you started seeing them packthe the parking spaces on broad
and all that, and the cops wouldpull in and have to shove them
out. That's around that time iswhen Uber and all that started
in the city, yeah, and then itwas completely different. You
could get what's now a $20 ride.You could get it for three, four

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bucks. Oh, wow. You could gofrom I lived in Inglewood for a
period, and to go from there tofive points. It's like three
bucks. Wow, really? Yeah, I usedto go to Red Door East all the
time because of that. So
what is this? A different thingthat I don't know about, a
different type of cab. Is whatyou're saying. No, no,
I say. And that's what Uber usedto be, yeah, back when the first

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came in, because all those cabswere taken over and they were so
much money, yeah,
they were trying to get marketshare by offering it cheaply.
But
now they're just like, we all.You all love us. You need us.
We're integrated over your life.Rape,
you're gonna, yeah, what part ofyour delta sky miles account?
Because
as soon as I land in Nashville,I hurried to the baggage claim,

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and as soon as I physically havethat bag in my hand, I'm
already, like, pre ordering,because then it's surges, yeah.
Yeah. So
you're doing that from that fromthe airport to Spring Hill now,
yeah, that's a that's a loftyprice, 70 bucks. Oh, my God
bless
you. I know 70 bucks. Do you getto expense that tax return?

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Yeah? Well, yeah, totally
keep a track on it. But a lot of
times I'll drive, and then I'llpark at one of the parking flies
or whatever. And then, whileyou're there, you can get your
car washed, and then you comeback to a nice, clean, tidy car,
because who wants to wash theircar?
So basically, you're looking at$140 to and fro, right? Yeah, I
wonder how much would be cut tojust park

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that's why I asked for so muchmoney when I play drums. Well,
it
used to be nice.
It used to be, it was like 27bucks a day or something for,
like, the VIP parking. Yeah,
I actually, I do the off, likethe park and fly, park and fly,
but I use trade bank. What'strade bank? Funny, you should
ask rich trade banknashville.com, go check them out

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there. I'm just gonna give thema little bit of a plug. If you
have a business and you've gotextra things lingering on the
shelves. And, you know, youcan't really move them. You can
trade them with otherbusinesses. So that's what I do.
I trade my voiceover servicessuch as on hold and automated
attendant messaging, yeah, withother businesses who need it,
and I get trade dollars. And Icould trade those trade dollars

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in for vacations, for parking,whatever. It's
a great idea, isn't he a promosexual it's incredible. Love it.
No idea what you're talkingKevin Murphy gave me that
nickname, and then I almost said
to Jim, and you had to give hima nickname in return, the
delightful curmudgeon,
yes, yeah, that's good. I mean,he would have a killer podcast,
amazing podcast, because he'snot afraid to say anything. No,

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I love Kevin. Kevin. Kevin and Iget along great.
He's very entertaining becauseof that. Yes, yes. He just
doesn't care. Kevin myself andRuss Whitman.
Russ Whitman, yeah, man, he's inthat click. It's the only time
I'll ever see him if I see BenCaesar, Keo, Kevin and Russ.
Yes, crazy, yeah,

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Russ and Kevin and I sent somestuff to each other that will
not be repeated
now, hopefully no one catchesyour browser history or your
text
messaging incognito.
Thank you, Google. So you knowhow you came
on my radar. I really thought itwas early on, like I moved here
in 97 so I really thought, likein 2000 or something. Our our

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mutual friend Paul, aren't thebass player the place for Lee
Greenwood was telling me, youknow, he always had some sort of
side metal project, and he'slike, man, there's this new kid.
I've been playing with him. He'sfantastic. He's like, so young.
He's like, 19 or 20 orsomething. I'm like, oh, yeah,
cool, cool. And then must havebut it was 2008
2008 Yeah, late, 2008 when I methim. And what's funny is, I

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remember meeting you prior that,yeah, Danny Archer put us in
touch. And I think we went tofrothy monkey or something like
that, yeah, just briefly, andyou're like, Oh, well, there's
forks. Go there. Meet people. Goto, you know, third and lensley.
Go to these places around town.That's where you're gonna start,
the network, the watering holes.Yeah, it's where you're just

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gonna meet your community andget your foot in the door.
And you did. Man, yeah, what wasthe first non Paul ARNs
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What was your first you know,were you playing around town? Or
did you get a road gig rightaway? Or,
yeah, well, I moved to town. Iwas already planning to move,
but a couple weeks ahead ofwinter Nam, I was looking around
Nashville Craigslist for jobsstill living in South Carolina,
yeah, and I saw an ad forpercussion specialist wanted,

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and I clicked it and said, Oh,what's sure, you know, and you
know, sent in a resume and allthat. Here's what I do. At one
point in Greenville, I workedfor pin tech who manufactures
electronic drums and cymbals andtriggers and pads. Yes,
I remember those, those triggerpads. Ray Gray was using them
for
a little bit. Were they similarto heart dynamics back in the
day? Very were they Okay?

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Dows pads and all that. Yeah,yeah. Dan, Dows, what's up?
Yeah,
shout out. So I wasmanufacturing, and whether it
was drilling aluminum castingsor soldering or doing any of
that stuff. And so I sent thatin, you know, I have a
background in this, backgroundin that. And then it came back.
It was Juan over at minel, JuanBarrios. And he goes, Oh, and I

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go, Oh, actually, I'm going tobe at winter Nam in a couple
weeks, if you just want to meetup and talk. Yeah. So I did an
unofficial, official interviewfor vinyl as a sales rep during
winter Nam. And then it becomes,okay, well, you got the gig. Can
you start March 3? Okay, well,that's four weeks I have to find

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somewhere to live. And I reachedout and met a couple people
online. One of those was thedefinite, I'm moving in. Then
that fell through a week before,like, Okay, who else do I know?
Somebody called somebody thathad a room for a month. I was
like, Okay, that'll just get methere. I'll start the job the

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first what led to the firstopportunity was a co worker of
mine was actually playing atLegends, and I went down to see
him one night. They had asubstitute drummer who
introduced me to the power triohe'd been playing with. He had,
he was expecting a baby, he andhis wife, so he was unable to do

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the Summer Tour. Three of us goton stage, sat in jammed, and
then we talked afterwards, andthen it's like, yeah, cool.
Well, let's do it. Yeah, youknow, well, we'll meet at Si,
our room five, and we'll jamsome of the material, just to
make sure. But yeah, if you'reKane, let's go. And that was
Richie Shoal.
Oh yeah. Richie Shoal, like anAmerican artist, yep.

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Yeah. Awesome dude. OzzyQueensland, yes, you know, does
he so? Does he live here? Yeah,okay, and he and I are still in
touch. Good man. That was, butthat was the, the first
Nashville like
gig. Give him my pass, because Ithink I've known a lot of
drummers who've come through hisband. Yeah, it's like a rite of
passage. Yeah, you know, it iscool, man. And your background

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in in Greenville, when did,like, when did you start
playing? Because it says, Hereyou remember the Carolina gold
gold, Carolina gold drum andBucha amazing on snare drum,
yep. And then you did some youwon a gold medal during the
annual individual and ensemblecompetition. Yep, for drum set.
Nice. Yeah. So when did it allstart? Were you coming? Coming

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out of the womb? Did you have amusical family? It was
in the womb. My mother tellsstories of, you know, she and
dad would be spinning records,and, you know, they'd push the
furniture to the wall and dancein the living room or whatever,
and I'd be kicking and when thesong stopped, I would stop. Wow,
something going to concerts, andso, I mean, and then, of course,

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what
were they listening to, likeKenny Rogers Greatest Hits, that
kind of thing, or staying alive,bit
of that. But it was a bit ofeverything, the real one, what,
what mom calls what always gaveher happy feet, long before the
Disney thing was Stevie Ray, ohyeah. I attribute being able to
swing and shuffle to ChrisLayton all day, every day.
Stevie's. Stevie's, one of mydudes. What

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a great artist, just regardlessof the genre. And they have
Chris Whipper, Layton shuffle,have you been did you meet him?
Have you ever met him?
Once I met him at the fenderbooth. He was playing with Kenny
Wayne Shepherd, nice during anam show, yeah. And just got to
shake his hand and say, Thanks,man. Because of you and Stevie
and Tommy, I know how to boogie,yeah, so I appreciate it, yeah.

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And that's what I was playingand listening to even before I
got my first drum set, you know,while watching Motley Crue. I've
got a brother that's five yearsolder than me, so there was that
musical influence from him.There was mom and dad's record
collection. Dad passed away whenI was really young, and so mom

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couldn't listen to that musicanymore hurt her too much. So
then she got into the country ofthe late 80s. So Alabama,
Alabama, Tanya, Tucker, Clint,black. My first concert was
actually the Kentucky headhunters, the picking on
Nashville too. Yeah, because Iwas born and raised in
Greensboro, North Carolina untilI was 11. I think just before my

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12th birthday is when we movedto Greenville, so, and those
were my formative years inGreenville. So that's why I
always just kind of say that'shome, yeah, even though all the
families in Greensboro, yeah. Soit's two homes. I
always get those, you know. Iget Charlotte and Charleston,
you know? And I get Greenvilleand Greensboro. Well, there's
also a Greenville North too.Yeah, that's really confusing.

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Greenville
north in North Carolina. Yeah,it's by the coast.
No, it's, I think it's nearWinston Salem, is it? I think
it's on that on the westernside. I could be wrong. It's
getting back to you mentionedshuffles before rich, did you
know that Christopher can put afeather in his cap? By he is my

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biggest influence on shuffles.We discussed, you know, I've
been, I've been deep divingshuffles because of the Huey
Lewis gig may 28 the city wineryin Nashville. Don't miss it.
Don't miss it. Get your ticketsnow,
while it lasts, hey, if youdon't promote yourself, nobody
else will. No
one cares as much about you. I'mhorrible

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about right? So he came inhorrible. You know, we practiced
a little bit, and it's kind oflike I appreciate these podcast
episodes, because we keep ontalking about my journey up to
this monumental event, whichhappens to you guys all the
time, and learning, you know,because not it's not a very
typical like, not many drummersgoing, Oh, I'm going to pick up

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the sticks and learn to shuffle.You know, it's the boom smack
that they want to get into,typically, right? Yeah. And I
was told, Well, hey, you getyou're almost there, but you
need to make it bounce. We wantyou to kind of fall a little bit
behind. Bit behind the beat. AndI told you this, and you kind of
scoffed a little bit, if youdid, you scoff. I heard a scoff
when, when we were talkingabout, like, playing behind the

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beat, or ahead the beat, orsomething like, I just try to
play in time, right? You know?And then, and I So Christopher
walks, and I said, you know, I'mtrying to figure out what they
mean. He's like, Oh, it's justlike, this play like a flam, and
I'm going, Oh,
but this, Christopher, did youguys? You guys already spent
time together today.
We did, like, deep dive, man, Idon't know where you were. Oh,
my God,
I was, well, I was probablypeeing because, you know, the
bladder over 50,

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it happens, dude. So, so kudosto you. Thank you. Thank you.
Christopher, absolutely.
Yeah. Plus, he's got a, probablya really mean double bay
shuffle.
Teacher, the Simon
Phillips, Jeff Beck, thank you.Jeff Beck, yeah, and Virgil was
huge for me. Billy Cobham,spectrum, oh yeah, I, I don't

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even know if I had my firstdrums. That when my uncle gave
me that album, Uncle Peterturned me on a Cobham and just
said,
what so many drums that threefloor toms, two bass drums. He
put so many hurdles. He put theLP
on one side of a cassette. Sothere was Billy Cobham spectrum,
and the other side was HerbieHancock, head hunters. Oh, wow.

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And I don't know if I even hadmy first drum set that was
Harvey Mason, yeah, but Iremember at one point just
sitting to the kit and justjamming those records, because I
knew them from listening to themfor a few years already.
Now, when you do your doublebass shuffle, do you do left
foot lead depends, dependseither one it really, yeah.

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If I'm, if I'm doing the VanHalen stuff, it's always left
foot lead, yeah? Because if youlisten to Al, it's that gallop,
yeah. And that left foot, hisleft kick drum was always
important
on the right. That's what I gotfrom Greg bisni. Because Greg
business, like, here's thesecret, you know, you're always
using syncopated rhythms on theupbeat, or whatever, on your

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right hand, on your right foot,and then you're always keeping
time with your high hat on.That's always doing the
downbeat. So now all you got todo is put your foot over on the
double pedal, and literally youare doing this, doing the same
thing. Yeah? So
I learned the hot for teachershuffle, just the opposite a
buddy of mine. You remember Jeffvidy, yeah, yeah, up in
Connecticut, right? So he was adrummer and guitar player, a

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big, huge influence from EddieVan Eddie Van Helen, and they
had a double bass electronic kitback when I was starting to
play. And I thought I was like,maybe salivate to play double
bass, yeah. And he's like, youknow how to play hot for
teacher. I'm like, hell now. Hesays, Think about if you if you
only have a single kick, just dothe gun to gun them. Yeah, I'm
like, Oh, I can do that. He'sjust didn't add any other foot.

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That's nice. He's already a goodteacher.
Oh, okay, that new accept recordthat you guys did in 2014 you
tracked the drums your housesounds amazing. It's got the,
you know, the road so cleandudes, just driving it, killing
it, driving it. And then whenyou go to do the fills, and

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that's, that's the challengingpart, keeping that so clean
while you're doing hand stuff.But you've been doing it a long
time. I mean,
it was, it's just practice. It'syeah, everybody wants the the
quick and easy, yeah? And what'sthe hack? It's not, yeah, you
know how to get
to Carnegie Hall practice, yeah?

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But you buy a ticket. But, Imean, it's, you know, it's the
thing of you practice, youpractice, you practice, and then
at some point the light bulbjust goes off. Yeah, for me
anyway, and I've been fortunatein that sense, where when the
idea clicks, then it's there,whether it's doing the virtual

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stuff, or just, you know, likecrazy, whatever you can think
of, or the split lick, you know,right hand, right foot, left
hand, left foot. But that thingthat took forever goes but I
never practiced it, yeah, andthen one day, I sat down with
the double pedal in the pad forabout an hour, walked away, came

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back and figured rhythmicallyand feeling, not just thinking
about it, but felt therelationship and those gaps in
your spacing in your body, yeah,boom. It's
a cool lick too. It's a greatit's a it's like, I've been, I
sit there, like this morning atmy BNI business meeting. I'm
just, like, just just doing thatwhole thing. They loved it,

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yeah, yeah. Well, that makesturn. It really does.
But the cool thing with that onetoo, as as with anything, you
know, I'm, I'm of the School of,if you can play it this way,
play it backwards, nice. Oh, youknow, because with drum corps,
that was one thing that welearned, if you've got 300 guys
auditioning for 10 snare spots,and you've got seven of those

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snare spots returning, eventhough they still got a re
audition, it's pretty much ashoe in, yeah. So there's two
open, three open spots orsomething, yep, or right? And 10
snare drummers, yeah. And whenthey start making cuts, you
know, you'll have a line of 20people. And the caption head is
walking up and down and cuttingpeople stick high, or is looking

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at or if everybody's perfect, ifthey've got it down to the final
12, they'll go, all right. Playit off the left, reverse the
sticking in your brain likethat. Go now, oh my
god, do it. That'd beinteresting.
That never had, that neverhappened to you. Well, now going
back to, you know, becauseyou're North Texas, core and
marching band are differentthings I did eight years of

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marching band, right? But, youknow, I had a conversation with
Greg Bissett about this. I waslike, hey, you know all the, all
the advanced rudiments that theones that are 46 and above your
cheese diddles and Flam didlesand all that. I said hybrids.
Those are the real those are theget you fired rudiments. And he
goes, You're so, right? Yeah,you know what I mean. So I like
my hands, and I'm. Attemptedsometimes to learn the new
cheese diddle and stuff, but Ialso realized, do I really need

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this? I don't think so, but Ithink it's really cool that
what's
a cheese diddle first andforemost, it's,
well, they sell them in the chipaisle, yeah.
Are they a new item at buckies?Cheese diddles
are like, like, a flam with adrag and then another. You know?
It's
like, imagine a paradiddle.Okay, right, left, right, right.

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So put a flam on the firstright, and as well as a diddle,
dig it that, dig at it, that,dig it, do that. He loves me.
And then once you get used tothat, now start it the other the
other hand, because even thoughyou're alternating right to
left, you're always going tohave the weaker hand and your

(25:46):
brain as soon as you walk startwith the opposite hand. But that
by that training is
universal, which goes back toGeorge Lauren Stone's book,
which is like, look at if you'regoing to go right left, right,
left, you want to go left,right, left, right. And if
you're going to go right right,left, left, you're going to want
to go left, left, left, right,right, and
you better go between theexercises seamlessly, without
stopping and without changingtone, because you go

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right, right, left, left, right,right, left, left, right, right,
left, left, right, left, left,left, left, right, right, left,
right, left, right, left, right,right, left, right, left, right,
left,
right, right, left, right, yep,yeah, that's how, that's how I
would build my feet, build myhands. Nice, all that stuff. Was
doing pyramids, just Yeah,committed plate, singles,
doubles, triples, quads, Quince,all the way up to 10 or 12, and

(26:28):
then come back down. And then doit on the left hand, and then do
it with the feet. Double thenote value, half the note value,
so on. And so
a lot of people think you'rejust a leather jacket wearing
long haired rock drummer thatrules, but no, but you're,
you're actually the guy that waslike, Okay, now I'm gonna do
this exercise with my feet. Iwould get,

(26:51):
I would get, part of the reasonthat I can do a lot of the stuff
I can do is, like, I get bored.When middle school I was playing
drums seven hours a day, yeah?Like, wake up, play the pad half
an hour. Go to the bus stop.Play the pad. Get on the bus.
Play the pad in between classes,like, Race to the next class.
Play the pad, band room duringlunch break, like, finish up

(27:13):
early. Run in the band room.Play the drum set, go to the
next class, pad, soon as you gothome. Play the kit for two
hours, get off the camera, doyour homework, get back on the
kit, be done by nine, and in theevening, as a courtesy, it was
like seven hours a day. Lovethat dedication. And then, yes,
I would get bored, and I'd setthe drum set up left handed and

(27:35):
play it like that for a week.Oh, wow. I'll teach myself how
to play left but my right foothi hat still is not great, but
it doesn't need
to be. You ever have your mainkick drum pedal go out on you?
Oh yeah, you know,
several times I've never donethat where you're setting up the
kit backwards, but did you everwork on that Gary Chester new
breed book? No, yeah, becauseyou would be great at that.

(27:57):
Because basically you're notturning the drum set around. But
the whole idea is you have thesesystems, like these melodies,
like an ostinato, and then youdo some reading against the
ostinato, and then you also he'sgot, like, a counting thing
where your voice is the fifthlimb. So you might want to be
counting down beats. You mightwant to be counting up beats.
And then you're leading whatsounds like, it's like what, you
know, we'll win. That's

(28:17):
the stuff that I like. You cansee the smile. That's kind of
stuff I might smile. Yeah,that's,
that's a Time Eater. I mean,it's like, oh my god, where did
the last 10 years go? Oh yeah,the new breed. Yeah, you know
what I mean. I mean,
but, and the thing is, are yougonna get hired for left hand
out in that chops or any No,it's not
like the Thomas Lang thing,right? You know, he's a monster

(28:39):
on the kit, yeah? And he can doall sorts of Sure, can, you
know, all the things. But whenit comes down to brass tax, he's
just playing what needs to beplayed. Yeah,
you know, I mean, Virgil, too.Virgil had like, the Tina Marie
gig and all these pop gigs inAustralia in the 80s before
anybody knew who he was. Rightfor being Virgil, yeah, before
any of that stuff. But you know,that wasn't really where he

(29:02):
wanted his career to go. He wasjust like, Man, this is what I
want to do. That's me.
Haven't heard from Virgil in awhile what he's he's still
doing, clinics, tours, hisoriginal stuff.
I think his last album was,like, 17 or something.
Well, he's a true artist in thesense that he puts out, you

(29:22):
know, and that's something Iwant to add to my repertoire.
That's something to check offthe list, which is sort of like
a solo drum record, but, youknow, very musical, yeah, you
know, where you where, you know,it could almost be licensed, and
then it's not gonna be, it'sgonna be a, okay, it's gonna be
a Jazz, Jazz flute record. Yeah,it's gonna be a jazz fusion
record, but like approachable,polite fusion, like you could

(29:43):
still clap two and four, thatkind of stuff, just not one and
three. So I want to do that. No.Well, that's, that's for our
debut at the Grand Ole Opry.Yeah, exactly. Thank you.
So between the two of you guys,hit the
symbol sweatpants,
I'm. And shut up and play twoand four.
So between the two of you guys,I'd love to see more video

(30:08):
content on all those things thatyou guys can do, because people
have, like, that preconceivednotion that this is all you can
do. Rich. You were like, Oh, yourock, you play country music.
But I'm like, Oh no, yeah, I'veseen him riff before. He is, oh
yeah. He's got a deep well ofknowledge. And his chops are, I
mean, because, I mean all theseguys that are like, dominating

(30:31):
tick tock and the reels and allthis other stuff, they can't
hack it. They didn't put thetime in for the touring and
studio sessions like you guyshave. But they're circus guys on
online and like, hey, you know,here's this, you know, really
lightning fast riff. We
met Ellis the parrio backstage,right? Yeah, Alice The party is
the Spanish guy, right? Thatsmokes weed and plays with,

(30:53):
yeah, with one hand, right? Ididn't even know he was there.
He was playing with somebodythat day. I just came out of our
dressing room and he was in thehallway. Yeah? Oh shit, dude,
yeah. Photo. Well, we could, we
could you and I could becreating more content. But, I
mean, he's, he's out there, youknow, playing. He's got his
balls to the wall. He's, like,playing the 20,000 people. He's
standing up with the kick drum,getting people. I mean, you're a

(31:13):
freaking rock star. Well,
and, and, well, thank you. But Iit's weird for me, man. I don't,
I don't feel the rock starthing, you know, I Well,
people tell me, Oh, you're arock star. Like, what I, I hang
out with rock stars, or
what we, we were lucky enoughthat our dream came true. Yeah,
that shouldn't change who we areas human beings, no. And I, I've

(31:36):
never felt myself as the personto just throw myself out there
just because, yeah, like, ifanybody wants to ask a question
or anything great, yeah,awesome, but I don't want to
bother anybody. Yeah, you know,I'm terrible about self
promotion, yeah? Well, you didall right, buddy, yeah, yeah,
but I need to be better. I'vegot 10 years worth of drum cam

(31:59):
footage with accept. Well, youcould probably put all that on
YouTube, 15 or 20 terabytes ofraw footage. Would those
guys be okay with you putting itout there? I don't know.
Maybe. I mean, it's, there's noboard feed, no mix, nothing like
that. It's just, it's two orthree cams on the drums.
Is it one shot? You got toactually meld the shots? No,

(32:22):
it's, it's, it's three separatego. So, yeah, I would have to
drop it into they're notswitched. No, okay, and I would,
I've thought about doing thatand throwing in Final Cut and
doing all that. But the otherthing too is, man, when I'm
home, I just want to be home,right? Yeah, I get, I still, you
know, we have the studio at thehouse, which is awesome, so I

(32:44):
can record remote in my pajamas,and that's fun, or we can just
be creative, you know. Andthat's I
want to get into, that. I
weld. I did to your woodworker,woodworking business, yeah, I'm
getting into a bit of the vinylbusiness for drummers.
Okay, okay, so many skill sets.So you were telling me your big,

(33:06):
gigantic you have several drumset, drum sets for except you
did the welding for your rack.That's one huge hill skill set
in the story. But now you'resaying a woodworking business.
Are you like building furniturefor people? Yeah, yeah. Do you
have like, a website likeChristopher Williams
creations.com or something
the it's CDW Woodworks, andthat's with an X on the end,

(33:27):
yeah, W, O, R, X, you're
designing custom furniture forpeople. Yeah,
that is key. Recognize the woodof the table you're
sitting at. Yeah. This is what'scalled an ambrosia maple. And
you know
where I got this on auction. Ithink we have more of it in the
back shop. I want to talk price.You You got pay pay attention to

(33:49):
mcmore auction. McCarthy moreauction. Okay,
see, we always breaks the fourthwall. They used to reload it.
It's that sometimes
they'll have wood that comes upbecause we just found rices are
not cheap, and they auction itoff for pennies on the dollar.
So we got a whole bunch of thisstuff. My guy who just worked
here, excited. I
just got wood, but actually, andthey backfilled it and

(34:10):
everything. All the wormholesare back filled. Well, we
had a guy who worked here whowas a woodworker as well, yeah.
And he put this table together.I told him how big this
is Star bond adhesive. I knowwhat that is right, because I'm
a dork,
because those are, those are twolayers of wood that are
sandwiched together. Yeah, youdo this
in your garage. Is that yourYeah, shop
Nice. We've got so it's a, it'sa two car garage. Half of it is

(34:31):
the shop. And yeah, I mean, I'vegot an armoire on the list to do
for my in laws as a weddingpresent. Nice as a thank you for
them. Got a bunch of stuff to dofor the house. Next up, some
friends want a custom Island. Ijust rebuilt a 20 foot stretch

(34:52):
of fence for a buddy of oursbecause I grew up doing
carpentry and stuff outside ofmusic. I built my first deck
with my uncle. Lee, when I was12 or 13, your
own hands. See, what did youhave the attitude of, even
though it is a form of a backupplan, I'm not going to rely on
that. I'm still going to, yeah,no, it's,
it's, it's just always been ahobby. Yeah? I mean, I would

(35:13):
watch norm Abram on PBS, whetherit was New Yankee or this old
house. And then when TLC becamea channel, you know, they had
home time and all those showsand, you know, get in there, get
your hands dirty.
You got to have a knack for it,though, which you do? Obviously,
yeah, it's great. You've done
electrical work all kinds. Yeah,I

(35:35):
do electrical. I was in thetrade for a season. But I love
hearing stories like that withthe welding and the woodworking,
because it reminds me of Troylaketa, yeah? Like we were
interviewing him, and we all ofa sudden, he's like, oh yeah.
And I do a roofing business, andyou kind of went out, you kind
of went back in the drums. I'mlike, no, no, no. Hold on time
out here for a second stop.What? What did you just say?

(35:56):
You're a roofer? He goes, Oh,yeah, I've
done that too, right? Hard.July, many moons. Oh, it sucked.
I did it in August. Oh, I did itfor about
which is the prime season to doit, because you have to do it.
Talk
about a farmer's hand.
The only part that's where Ideveloped the fear of heights,
yeah, really, the only part thatever really bothered me, aside

(36:18):
from that, was just doing tearoff, you know, because you're
tearing off all the shingles andlike, the inside of your elbow
is just coated with asphaltchips and just
the well, and also it's, it's,it's a hell of a way you can get
hurt easily.
Oh yeah, that's hard work. And Ileft because the company was

(36:41):
taking steeper pitch roofs withno safety harnesses. I mean,
we're talking toe boards fivefeet apart, where you're like,
struggling to make that gaphappen. Wow. And I remember
being on a third story roof withmy brother one day overcast. We

(37:02):
shouldn't have even been upthere. He and I showed up to the
site. First the materials werethere. The supervisor said, go
ahead and he and I are sittingoff, hanging off the edge of
this house, with our feetdangling, nailing on starter
strip over the gutters, and justgoing,
I don't think I'm coming backafter race stories, man, I'm

(37:23):
pretty
and that was like, I was stillin South Carolina, but I was
starting to gig regularly. I hadjust gotten picked up by the
booty band to do a fall tour. Isyo mama's big fat booty band.
I was like, a funk, funk trippyband kind of thing.
Seven piece, original, sevenpiece funk band with a horn
section, yeah, we went out openfor P funk and fish bone Harris

(37:45):
brothers did all kinds of headfestivals and craft brew fest
when craft brew was just kind ofbecoming a thing, yeah,
alongside podcasts,
you like the IPA? Oh, I loveIPA. Oh, yeah, if I have to go
craft I like a West Coast IPA,like a, you know, Sierra Nevada
style. I
dig Well, Chris, the happier themore bitter. Oh, he wanted, if I

(38:08):
could get away with drinkingspace dust all night, I would.
Space dust is nice. It's homestyle.
It's just 9% so you can't reallyhang out and drink that well,
Voodoo Rangers like that, thetall boy range, the green one,
they will. They've got you tofreaking sleep. They've got the
7% one, the orange version ofthe IPA. Very fruity. That one's

(38:28):
really I love space dust. Yeah,space dust and also means
a different thing now than itdid back in the day. Oh, yeah,
thankfully Yes. You
want a good podcast to listento, the ales and tails podcast.
Make sure you check
that out. Nice. Jim got in hisfive promotional points. That's
right at the front of the show.
It's a podcast, a buddy of mine,Mercurio. We're friends with
Mercuria. He's our financialadvisor and a beer expert. Oh,

(38:51):
he's a nice, very articulate,very intelligent beer expert.
So you got a guy that drinks alot of beer hands,
but he's so thin you're like,where you put it? Just kidding.
He's He's freaking real. He's agymnast in the making. But he
it's, it's makes you have anappreciation for because I never
did. So like, Okay, what isthis, you know, what kind of
notes are you getting on thenose? And I'd just be sitting

(39:12):
there looking at the otherpeople going, I don't know. It's
gotten to the point I was like,burps. It's
like, it's like, wine andbourbon, you're right, scotch
and stuff now, where you're justlike, what? Right? But it makes
sense, because if you thinkabout it, you go to the store,
there's that wall nowadays fullof craft beers. Yeah, you don't
know where to start, but havingsomething like that's cool. It

(39:33):
is because otherwise you justreach for the same two or three
standbys, and
you figure out what you like andeverything, even, you know,
with, you know, the whiskeyhaving a couple of nips every
now and then, I'm like, I'mgetting a taste for this stuff.
This is kind of dangerous. Ohyeah, it's all dangerous. And
then we got into dude, the EvanWilliams eggnog. We
got, we also got in cigars. Igot in cigars about five years

(39:54):
ago.
Are you an eggnog guy when itcomes to the dude? Neither was.
I I've Evan Williams just, I'mtelling you two words, two
words, China, China. EvanWilliams, Wuhan.
Wuhan. China's the popularityhas dipped. It's
the China virus is terrible,terrible. Oh, I'm working on my

(40:16):
trump impersonation. Hey,
the kid from Nashville. You knowthe does Trump on SNL is spot
on. I
had a guy in here yesterday,Brian, Austin, whatever his name
is, on my on my podcast, themostly Middle Tennessee business
podcast. Check it out. MMTbp.com, I
love it. It's, I can't wait toread the show
notes. Jim promotes. Jimpromotes. Jim promotes.

(40:38):
I thought this was the rich,rich Redmond, oh, my God,
that's so funny. Man. That'slike, he's on fire right now. I
love it. So, so listen, we dowant to hear some we do want to
hear some stories about, like,you know what? The, you know,
the what it's like working withexcept, I mean, and they, I'm
sure you listen to him as ayoung man, and now you're on
stage with him, which is, whichis amazing. But you also want to

(41:00):
hear about, you know, some geneand a stories. You know, you're
working with your rhythms. Didyou ever get to work with Paul?
He seems like he's, no, you knowhe's, he's like, less out there,
yeah, but he'll go and he'll be,my mom saw him in Toronto. He
was, he did the Phantom of theOpera, yeah? Like, he'll
do that was 99 Yeah, yeah. 99 Iremember notes and everything.

(41:21):
Okay? I guess he went into, hewent into voice training for
that, and when they did thefarewell tour with the original
lineup in 2000 you coulddefinitely tell the difference
in his voice, really, yeah,because
it was Michael Crawford in theoriginal cast, and he hits that
one note when they're down inhis area, the Phantoms basement,

(41:41):
whatever. Yeah, and he's gotChristine talking about at the
end, you know, no, it's actuallyin, I want to say the first he
takes her down, first time hetakes her down,
yeah, my wife will watch that,and the hair will stand up on
her arms. Yeah, that's that kindof a note, yeah. So, I mean, for

(42:02):
someone to hit that with thepower
Gerard, Gerard Butler in thatmovie, nothing were awesome. No,
no,
no, he could not hit that.Remember
when le Miz, all the actors, thebig Highland actors, did le Miz,
you know, Hugh Jackman. HughJackman is a song and dance man,
for
sure. Yeah, even the greatestshowman. I mean, they had,
there's a video on YouTube wherethey're playing, they're

(42:24):
rehearsing from now on, which isa great song, very deep. And he
just wanted to stop by,encourage the cast and make an
appearance. And he just had,like, sinus surgery or some sort
of cancer removed from his nose,and they told him not to sing,

(42:44):
and he did it anyway. Oh, and hejust belts the crap out of it.
Man, gorgeous performance.Sebastian
Bach did Jekyll and Hyde. Yeah,I think on Broadway.
Wow. People will go out of justout of curiosity to see how they
do, yeah, totally. And it'slike, they're like, Hey, I don't
care, like, if they nail it,they just want to go see it. I

(43:05):
just found out recently, yourboss did a rendition of, I
remember you. Do you recallthat? Wow, oh yeah.
It was one of the first thingsthat we ever recorded with Dean
in 99
Yeah, yeah. Speaking of Aldean,yeah, I've talked to you about
it before, but how loud

(43:26):
my click is? No, it's becauseremember what? Remember one time
you said I heard the clickcoming from your ears.
They're one feet away. There'sthat we produce the
volume now we, I'm on, like,straight up at like noon, on the
ears, on the pack.
I'm I start there and go down asthe show goes, nice, bro, yeah,
I mix. I put the pack on noon,set the mix myself on an iPad,

(43:49):
yeah. And then just try to bringit as the night goes. Just let
my ears re attenuate so I don'tblow them out. Great.
I don't usually go above 1pm onthe on the
that's, that's overkill. If youneed to. You're vibrating your
brain. Then don't go
to two. Don't do it. Yourcochlea is being rocked. This
goes to one

(44:09):
major, I got to give majorprops. We've talked about it
before, and I listened to itagain in the car. Your drum part
on back in this cigarette.
Oh, fucking brilliant. Oh,thanks fucking bro. So long,
long ago,
but I remember hearing thatshortly after moving to town and
just going, this is a new breedof like sessions country,

(44:34):
because there's like you're lickgoing into the second verse. But
Acton. But the way you executeit, the Hi Hat foot splash on
the outro, where you're playingon the rim, and then you go to
the snare March and all thatstuff, just swampy, almost like
second line outro thing, dude.Thanks. Before you kind of

(44:57):
gracefully bow out with thesymbols and. Little side stick
on the edge of the cymbals. Niceman. Appreciate Phil's
everything in that song is justperfect.
I appreciate it, man. You knowwhat's so funny is, is that it
was all done in like, under anhour. And, you know, I got to
give props also to Michael Knoxfor being so encouraging and
open minded to percussion,because for the first nine

(45:20):
records we would get. I mean, hewould say, Yeah, bring in your
stuff. And I would dump out mytoy box of all my interesting
stuff that tracks got like anlike some shakers and
tambourines, finger snaps andsuspended symbol rolls, and
got that constant right off theget go.

(45:41):
Shakers are so powerful. I mean,for 20 bucks, or an old Advil
bottle that you fill with rice,it's just one of my favorite
instruments. That's
the cool thing with it too, isyou can have so much fun. You
can go out. And I remember goinginto forks a couple years ago.
There was a minor double row,uh, brass jingle. That's like

(46:04):
the 10 inch one with the littleinset handle. And getting so
excited over that, because itwas the first time I remember
hearing such a clean tone foryour tambourine, yeah, for a
tambourine. No mics, no nothing.Just in the corner, just it,
just Oh. And then I got you aminor guy. No, oh, Sabian.

(46:25):
Sabian.
Okay, we're both with Sabian.Shout out, Chris. Thank you.
Yeah, isn't it nice, like to beable to have a friend in the
business where you're like, Whoyou calling? Who you on the
phone with? Oh, just my buddyand Burbank. I'm just getting
some new symbols. I mean, it'sjust so cool.
Yeah, man, yeah, I love stinky.He's just, he's a lifer. He, he
took a chance on me when I was,

(46:47):
I don't know younger, yeah,
20 in your 20s, 2011
I was with Leroy Powell, yeah,we had just gotten a tour
opening with Kid Rock and stuff,because he used to come down on
Broadway and jam and stuff. And,you know, Leroy had, I guess, I
don't know if it was throughshooter Jennings, yeah, but
Leroy had some connection inthere

(47:08):
now, now, Pearl is celebrating75 years in business today,
yesterday or today, we had JasonHartless on, yeah, some of your
colleagues, Keo, um, so you'vebeen with them, and you got a
lot of drama. So when you ordera new kid, it's like, I need a
1020, need a 1012, 1316, 18,220, fours. Call
the bank, get a loan, secondmortgage. Yeah, yeah, it's a,

(47:31):
it's a big drum set lot.
And then you're, I mean, you'regoing like, like, 15 inch hats,
16 inch hats,
14 inch hats. Oh, why use the AXaccelerators. Oh, nice, but big
crashes, but it's double hats.Because I don't I could do the X
hat thing over here, but thehonest truth is, when you have

(47:52):
an X hat here versus playingcross, believe it or not, you
hit the symbols differently, andnow you've got a secondary mic
that's got all this additionalbleed from whatever else is over
it. And sometimes your bandmates don't want a pan or any so
I do the Tommy Aldridge thingwhere I've got the closed hat on
top of the open the pedal hat.Yeah. So if we're doing double

(48:14):
bass, I don't do a drop clutchor any of that. I just have it
barely sizzling for Frenchkissing, yep, and just do that.
But they're both right here, soI can play open or crossed on
them, yeah, depending on whatI'm doing. But I've got two
nineteens and the and the modelschange year to year, but two

(48:35):
nineteens up front, 219 inchChina's hovering over that 80s
style, yeah, and then 220susually thinner. Crashes back
here, the big wash, but thenthey're all pitched, you know,
bing, bing, bing, bing. Sodepending what riff is being
played, or whatever, I'll playthe symbols. Nice attention to
detail. Not that anybody's gonnahear that, but I hear it when I

(48:57):
record the song. Yeah, anyway.And that's kind of the muscle
memory and
everything with a band like,except you need a giant mega
bill, the mega Bill ride,
the HH power bill, yeah, VinniePaul ride. So that
used to be, that's kind of likesabian's equivalent of the zill
Bell, yeah. I mean, no,
that's, that's like the Zildjianmega belt. Zildjian did a 21

(49:18):
right? And they still do. Theyjust reintroduced the Z custom
line. But Z thinks that's nice.I think that's kind of where it
started. And then Vinnie went toSabian, and they did that for
him. I could be wrong, but ifI'm not mistaken, I
finally got to break some breadwith will Calhoun. I mean, I had
vivid, living colors, vivid oncassette Yeah, in 1988

(49:43):
or 89 visit and time's up.Amazing,
yeah, dude, sorry, but he hadthat mega Bell ride. Yeah, it
was just all Bell. The wholething was a bell cult
of personality got me fired froma bit.
Well, no, he was using back thenhe was using either the earth
ride. Or he was using the Zheavy power. I've got a couple

(50:04):
of those 20 fours, and I, I'mjust waiting for the Sabian
custom shop to open up so I canget the Roy Mayorga ride. Ooh,
because it's, it's basicallythat, it'll give you tennis
elbow and break all your sticks.But you will hear that ride the
next county over.
Oh, I used to even at a younger,younger weighs 14 pounds.

(50:26):
Oh, my gosh, it's a 24 inchride, though, 24
inch 14 pound ride symbol,because I
used to have the 24 the AA bashride,
but it wasn't 14 pounds.
Yeah, go. Just look up RoyMayorga, whether it's with stone
sour or ministry or eighth incheasily. Oh, that's crazy, yeah.

(50:49):
So it's dumb, and I've beentelling stanky for years. I'm
like, Dude, come on. Come on. Hegoes once custom shops pumping
out. We'll get you on nice,
because I had, back in the daywhen limited to green, green
tractor hit the airwaves. Ithink it was like oh eight or oh
nine. I had a 24 inch Sabian,heavily a rock ride. Very Pinky,

(51:15):
huge bell. You can still wash ita little bit, but mostly ping
you late. You know, you shouldercrash it. That was, was that
when you, that was when you hadthe natural kit, wasn't it the
natural flats tour, yeah,
yeah. I don't know who's gotthat. Now, you know, I sold a
lot of my sonar stuff to GaryAsher, the drum collector. Yeah,
slash drum. I don't even callhim the drum pusher. They called

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Don, they called Don Bennett thedrum pusher, because he buys, he
bought car mines, Kitty bought,you know, ringos kits. Today,
it's the last big purchase that,because I just got to spend some
time with Don. He bought all ofaerosmith's their warehouse. He
bought everything, wow, in theAerosmith warehouse. And then
slowly but surely, took the timeto trickle everything out and
sell each item one by one. Andof course, he's patient, and he

(52:00):
was able to, like, quadruple hisprofit.
Oh yeah. I knew he had, he hadKramer's, the purple swirl DW
with the white hardware forever, yeah. And I always was
like, man, love that colorcombo.
Were you into the aposy a piecebrothers? Did you like those
guys? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, respectively, on theirown. I mean, I mean, I had the

(52:21):
realistic rock book with theposter totally, you know, with
his leopard Pearl syndrome,yeah, concert, Tom's right up
front. I love
Carmen. I love, I love his, youknow, his vocabulary is his
vernacular. Yeah, it's goodstuff. Absolutely, he invented
all that shit. Okay, well, whatabout some of these stories? You
got any funny stories here?Working with Gene, working with

(52:42):
ace, working with Mick Marslives in town. Of course, you
can always tell the LeeGreenwood story about how you
how you had to prepare for that.There's
that one. Yeah,
we could start with that one.Start with that one. It's
kind of odd though. Even likeall you have all these heavy
acts John Karabi, except GeneSimmons, ace, really? And then

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you have the one that standsout, Lee Greenwood, yeah, this,
one of these things is not likethe other.
So that came about with ourbuddy Paul arts, who was, I
think he still is withGreenwood, I think so. But
forever, what's up? Paul? Paularts, woo, woo, but I was
renting out his house, and therewas a studio downstairs. We had

(53:26):
a band together, like a littlemetal side project. We jam and
stuff. And there was a casinogig, I think in Oregon, maybe it
was where, last minute, whoevertheir artist for that weekend
was got sick and bailed and theyneeded a band ASA, bless you.

(53:48):
Lesson, yeah, so
Andy wasn't available. Theirtheir drummer at the time, and
Andy Hall, yeah, yeah. And theirkeyboard player wasn't available
either. So Paul calls me andgoes, Hey, they just called
Greenwood and asked, What's upwith this gig. Can you do it?

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You know, well, I'm missing acouple people, but let me see.
And Paul calls me, and I said,Yeah, man, cool. He goes, All
right, let me confirm it. I'llcall you back. So I'm like,
eating nachos, watching TV.
Paul calls nachos. Yeah. Paulcalls back. A half
hour later. He goes, Okay, thegigs on. I'll send you the set

(54:30):
list as soon as I get it. Okay,so now it's like 10am 10
o'clock, something like that.And he goes, Okay, here's the
set list rehearsal tomorrow, 9amS I R, God, get like 22 songs
we're doing. 20 of them get 11hours. Learn this, learn these

(54:52):
other two. Yeah. And I go, okay.He goes, go downstairs to the
studio. The center drawer on thedesk there's. Two iPods. One has
the board tapes, the other onehas the album versions. What's
an iPad? Yeah, he goes listen tothe board tapes, but reference
the album versions as well. So Idid, and just did the best I

(55:15):
could, skeleton charting, but
specifically you read specific,you obviously read notation.
Yeah, yeah. Big, help,
massive, massive. But I didn'thave enough time to actually do
a full transcription of everysong. It's a guide chart, so it
was, yeah, skeleton sheet,certain licks, you know,
signature parts, whatever. Bang.Bang. Just got through it. Slept

(55:36):
a few hours, got up, Paul cameover, and we went through tunes,
basically, ins and outs, andhe's like, okay, went to, sir,
do the rehearsal. Lead. Didn'teven play through the full
songs. We get, like, up to thebridge, maybe halfway through
the bridge, and you go, allright, that's good, fine. Yep.

(55:56):
We're like, Becky on keys. Sheand I are like, Becky priest,
yeah, sorry. And we're like, No,we need to do this for our sake.
And he goes, No, you'll be fine,nice. Okay, so the gig comes,
so
we leave, yeah, we leave, sir,at 6pm we've got a 6am flight to

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Oregon. Yeah, get there. Quickline check, and then just again,
just study study study studystudy do the gig. Two minor
mistakes the whole time. One wasa rhythmic figure I played
backwards on a fill, and it wassomething quite literally like
instead of Pat Boone, DebbieBoone, Debbie Boone, Debbie

(56:38):
boom. Pat Boone. The only othermistake which was not
technically a mistake. Yes, Leewould start this ballad
downstage, right on a keyboard,and he starts it himself, all
the board tapes I referenced, hejust starts free form. He turns

(56:58):
around and looks at me and goes,give me a tempo. Brain fart,
yeah, deer in the headlines feltlike 20 minutes. Yeah, it's
probably like two seconds. He'sgive me a tempo and go, you got
it. And he just, he laughed, andjust started coming in play,
just playing pads. You'replaying pad chords while you're

(57:21):
talking to the audience. Youdon't need a tempo like, are you
just messing with
so great to be here again. Thisis a beautiful theater that was
literally it beautiful crowd.But
he wanted me to, he wanted meto, to count him in for that.
Yeah, and I didn't have it free.It's, I didn't have a tempo
marking on that one because Ididn't play on that song. Yeah?
So I'm like, Cool. He's good. Hestarts it himself. He's got it.
So did you only do one gig withhim? Yep. But the main thing is,

(57:44):
is that you were given thatopportunity. The door was
cracked. You end up kicking thedoor open. Then now you have
Paul, who's championing you. Allthe other people that were in
the band are championing you.And that's that thing that just
gets that ball roll. Absolutely.Yeah, man, do your homework.
Kids, preparation. And I sayover preparation is the key to
success. But the thing is, isyou were willing to not sleep

(58:06):
for one evening of your life,yeah, to get the ball rolling
through your career. And
I and played with a Grammy Awardwinning artist like, yeah, man,
after being in Nashville lessthan a year, yeah, I think it
was 11 months at that point,1011. Months, were you doing
the day job over at the mineralat that time I was out. Yeah.
Now tell us how you came acrossPhil and Jeremy, your brother,

(58:28):
rhythm section brothers, yeah.So
that was, I was playing with anartist at the time. Her name was
Missy Johnson. Missy McCarthy,now married to shaker, who was
with Southland shaker. Yeah.What's he doing? I don't know. I
haven't talked to him in years.Yeah, me either. But I was
playing with Missy, doing heroriginal stuff, and she and I

(58:49):
are also like, major Zeppelinheads. Yeah, we have a tattoo.
Yeah, I got the I got the rings,yeah? But so we had this tribute
night coming up where we werecalling the band Roberta plant,
you know, nice, and that'sgreat. We'd worked up all the
material, and the mighty Danhalen was going to be

(59:11):
headlining. And that was Phil.That was Phil schus on guitar,
Paulie Simmons on drums. Phil'swife, Raquel, who played with
Maggie rose for a while, nice.She was on base. And then rest
in peace, our friend MattHarris, who did a lot of writing
with Leon Russell. Wow was ourDave, and he was Dave, like,

(59:33):
like the ashless chaps,
not that far. But, I mean, just,but like talking to him in
general, he was Dave, and hecould do the wow, that split
vocal thing. Oh, but so anyway,we're all set. They're gonna
headline. We're gonna open floodhits, May of 2010

(59:53):
May of 2010 the 100 year flood.Yep, flood hits.
And you. I guess Polly'ssomething at Polly house had
gotten flooded. Phil's basement,where they rehearsed on 12th
South had gotten flooded, andthey pulled out of the gig, and
I I called in desperation. I gotPhil's number because I had met

(01:00:15):
him once or twice before playingwith when he was with Karabi.
And I was like, Dude, I knowthat that Dave era, like the
back of my hand. Let's do this.And he goes, Nah, man, that's
cool. And, you know, to hiscredit, if you don't know
somebody, that's, that's a lot.So he's no thanks. So we ended

(01:00:36):
up just, we still did the gig,but we did a mixture of Zeppelin
and missy's original material,but those guys still showed up
to support at the Rutledge,yeah, and that's where I met
Jeremy for the first time, andMatt and Raquel, and they were
just like, Damn dude, yeah, weshould hang out. We should, like

(01:01:00):
do some more playing. And that'swhere, sorry, I doubted you.
Yeah, yeah. And that's wherethat started. And a week or so
later, Phil invited me over tothe house. We're hanging out and
talking music. And you know,what's your favorite record? Oh,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.And it's my turn. And I go,
Well, nobody really knows it, Isaid, but it's King biscuit live

(01:01:24):
flower hour 1973 at Winterland,humble pie, wow. And Phil
Frampton, oh, no, I know. AfterFrampton, post Frampton, Clem
Clemson and he had theblackberries, which were Ray
Charles backup singers. Marriotthad started playing lead guitar
again and harmonica and b3

(01:01:44):
totally obscure, but he was downwith it. He knew Phil
knew it. And he goes, dude,what? And goes over and throws
it on the turntable. And I go,you know that records just
freaking out. And next thing youknow, we're air guitaring and
jumping off the couch likechildren, and it always reminds
me of the scene from StepBrothers. Did we just become

(01:02:06):
best friends? Yes, do you wantto do karate in the garage? Yes,
look at all this room foractivities. It was that, hey, do
you like guacamole? It was thatmoment, and that solidified the
bond. And then through Phil andJeremy, I was brought into that
rock and roll community, whichreally threw the doors open.

(01:02:29):
Yeah. I mean, because, you know,I mean, I fancy myself an
overeducated rock drummer, butthere is this underbelly of rock
and roll in Nashville more thanever. But I mean, you three guys
have really made a name foryourself in a country town being
the go to rock guys, absolutely.And what was, what was the Rock
and Roll residency? Is thatstill happening?
Sometimes they're, they'reactually doing what, I'm not

(01:02:51):
sure when this will air, butthey're doing one Friday
actually,
okay, this is probably come outin what, seven weeks, or
something like that. Okay, yeah,yeah. Well, never mind Strike
that. But anyways, this Fridaywould have happened. So this
Friday is where East
Side bowl, oh, the East Sidebowl, because now they they do
it once, twice a year.
Hey, man, that East Side bowl isbecoming quite a popular venue,
like rad. Man, a lot of music.

(01:03:13):
There's three different stagesin that place, and they're all
completely different. Who ownsit? Does Grammy own? That chark
Ken solving, I don't know him.So chark built and designed the
sound and the stage andeverything over at basement east
with grimy Gotcha. But charkalso did cannery mercy, high
watt and several other venues.So

(01:03:33):
he's a total venue entrepreneur,
and he is, you can ask him anyquestion about any band, and he
can give you all the details.He's
that guy. He's that guy. So he'sa student and fan of the genre
Absolutely,
and he's a killer guitar playertoo. Shark, yep, something.

(01:03:53):
Hopefully doesn't listen
to this and go red man, you'rean asshole. I met you two years
ago, like, but I don't knowwell, he still might call you an
asshole either way. But yeah, Imean, I get, I'm sure I'm being
called things as we speak. Sowell, that's great, man, man.
And so you guys have got thisthing, and so where you kind of
like, lift each other up, andyou got this three headed Hydra,
you know, and
then you've also got, I've gotto give a major shout out Jared

(01:04:17):
Pope, because he's actually,he's the drummer for
the rising role residency. Yeah,who did do some work with
Thompson square? Yep, he was
with Thompson square for awhile. Brother Kane whiskey
falls Tom Kiefer's drummer,yeah, for years now. Jared,
what's up? Man, we'll get you inhere. Damon Johnson, we had
David Johnson early. Okay, yeah,yeah. Man, Jared killer, too.

(01:04:41):
Man, total rocker, but Vinnychops, oh, nice, like, yeah,
he's a bad dude. Nice, yeah.What's up? Jared? Whoo, we'll do
the thing. Man, yeah. So whoelse dude?
Funny stories here,
ace, I guess I mean, Ace is acharacter. Come on.

(01:05:02):
Yeah, anybody that's ever beenaround ace can do aces voice,
it's like that guy, but like aserious, Long Island accent.
Yeah, deep. He's
from the Bronx. He's Bronx
boy tuxedo junction inConnecticut all the time. Yeah,
and buddies of mine, the guy Itold you about, Billy Willie,

(01:05:24):
yeah, yeah. They used to go seehim all the time and do the
exact things that we're doingnow, kind of, yeah, mimicking
them and stuff like that. He'sgreatly comet. Fraley's
Comet, yeah, with Anton, yeah.But yeah, we were in Japan with
ace. We did three nights inTokyo double shows, and then a
night in Osaka double show. Andso the last night in Tokyo, we

(01:05:48):
had finished the finalperformance there. And, you
know, Ace is all over the place.I've got one of those Gene
Simmons vaults, because we hadjust played with gene in
Australia. And Ace opened, andthen he would come out at the
end of the night, and we werethe band for both gene and Ace.
Yeah, myself, Phil s, Jeremyasbrook, and Ryan cook. What's

(01:06:10):
up, Ryan? So I get this 40 poundwooden box full of all these
unreleased CDs of demos andstuff, fly it to Japan, because
there's no way I can ship ithome, and it's cheaper just to
pay the extra baggage fee. SoI've got it backstage last

(01:06:31):
night, and Ace sees it and goes,Oh, what's that? I go, Oh, it's,
you know, Gene's vault. You wantme to sign it? And I go, Yeah,
man, that'd be great. This isgreat. I roll it over and Gene
when he would, when you'dpurchase one, he would sign the
top of it and do this littlemeet and greet and stuff. Well,

(01:06:52):
mine was a gimme from the recordlabel. You know, hey, we've got
some extra ones. And I pesteredthe rep long enough there. He's
like, here, I don't want to shipthis home. You take it so a sees
it, and he goes, Oh, Gene didn'tsign it. I go, No, Gene doesn't
know I have it. And it goes,good for you. Don't give him any

(01:07:12):
more money.
Those guys are like, still,yeah, right. They love each
other, but
it's still they got to give eachother crap, knowing full well,
could probably come back to him.So gene
you know or so ace signs thewhole thing you know, Keith
LaRue, who you know works likeday to day, Paul Stanley's guy.
But he also is their officialphotographer with Kiss. He runs

(01:07:35):
the website, does the contest,conventions, all this stuff.
Awesome dude. He's asking ace.He goes, acety, you have Oh
yeah, jank, I made one of these.Have you listened to it yet?
Listen to what the box set thevault. It's a box
ace. There's 10 DS and 10

(01:07:57):
discs in there. Why the hell doI want to listen to his crap he
didn't put out like just die andlaugh. And so ace signs it. We
all say, you know, good night,because the next day, we're
flying to Osaka, packing ourbags, and ACE has decided that

(01:08:19):
this band is going to go on thekiss cruise in a couple months.
And so ace is leaving. He goes,All right, fellas, we'll see on
the cruise. And I go, No ace,we'll see you at the airport
tomorrow. And he goes, what? Igo, we'll see you tomorrow
morning at the airport. We havetwo shows in Osaka tomorrow
night, sold out. And he goes,Wow, we'll figure it out. So

(01:08:44):
wait,
so you're cool enough there tofigure out he wouldn't mind you
doing this impersonation. No,
okay, any anybody that knows aceDoes he still ace is great. I
see anytime. No, he's been cleanand sober, probably like 15
years good
for him, yeah. Now gene and genenever touched a thing that is

(01:09:07):
insane. I
think the only time that geneever got messed up he there was
some after party early on in thekiss, days like pre destroyer,
you know, first two or threerecords, it was an after party
or something like that. Andthere's jeans. Have got a major
sweet tooth. Ah, that's histhing, sugar. There's two trays

(01:09:27):
of brownies. Oh no, yeah, hotbrownies. One's fully leaded,
the other one's unleaded. Well,he starts digging into the
fully, you can't eat the full.And he apparently had to ride
that out for a long time. Yes,yeah. But according to him,
that's, that's the only timehe's ever been messed up.
What a businessman and werethose guys? Are those guys like

(01:09:49):
task masters to work for? Arethey pretty much like you guys?
Sound great. We'll see you atthe gig. Done. Gene
was great. Gene was totally youguys are the band. You guys know
what you're doing. You're great,awesome. I had a blast with
Gene, yeah, like from day one,because Eric Singer is a good
friend of mine. Yeah, I wasgonna ask you, if you ever met
Eric. Oh, yeah, yeah. We textall the time North Hollywood

(01:10:12):
guy, right? Yeah. He's, uh,Vegas now. Oh, in Vegas. Okay.
Oh, really, yeah. So Eric reallythat that may, that, in May of
that year, was at a we were at akiss convention, and Brent Fitz
was on the gig. He was, he wasJean's guy. Love Brent, but
slash was getting ready to goout and do the thing again solo.

(01:10:35):
And that's his gig. That's hismoney maker. So Eric goes, dude,
Christopher, why don't you dothe gig? You know, all the
stuff, it's perfect for you. Whyaren't you on the gig? And I go,
Well, if you know Ryan and theguys call me, Sure, great. Like,
you know, initially I wassupposed to do the gig and I was
on tour with accept, you know,whoa is me. Yeah. So, yeah, then

(01:11:01):
that came about for doing thegig. But Eric said, you know,
when you work with Gene rightout of the gate, just bust his
balls. Oh, he likes that. And Iwas like, No, I can't, man,
that's, that's the dude, that'sthe demon. I can't do that. And
he goes, No, trust me, do it orhe's gonna walk all over you.
He'll respect the hell out ofyou for it. So he the first gig

(01:11:23):
we did. Gene walks into thedressing room, sees the other
guys. He doesn't know me yet,and, you know, I've got the long
hair down and everything. Andhe's like, hey, guys dotted Oh,
Jesus, so good for you to joinus. And I go, behold, bu, I have
risen just for you. And he goes,Ah, you know, you're one of us,
right? Meaning Jesus are Jewishand everything. And I go, Yeah,

(01:11:46):
him, but me, not so much. Booby,you know? And immediately, just
the rest of the night juststarted ripping each other,
great. And then from then on,traveling through airports, he
enjoys that. Oh, yeah, he's apractical joker. Ah, Eric is
too. Eric's like, they justconstantly mess with, yeah,
yeah, a slapstick and stuff, youknow. I mean, if you ever left

(01:12:10):
your coffee around gene, he'slike, you paid $5 for a cup of
coffee and left it sittingthere, and he would just dump a
bunch of salt in it, you know.Look at this, you know, like
Gene always keeps his phonetucked down into his boot, yeah,
and then puts the leather pantsover the boot, and he goes, Look

(01:12:35):
at this. This is a $1,200 handcomputer, and people just leave
them laying around. But Paulwalks into a room and just sets
it down, as well as the keys tohis Porsche, and walks off.
Somebody could just take theyou're like, You got a point?
Yeah, he's not a point. Why doeshe put in his back pocket? It's

(01:12:56):
harder to answer if it's tuckedinto your boot. Leather pants.
Gotcha tight leathers. Tightleather pants. I got my tight
pants. I got my tight pants on.
Now you see the leather pants,don't you? Well,
yeah, Gene was a blast to twoare with man. He was absolute,
and he's a gentleman too,believe it or not, yeah, believe

(01:13:17):
it or not. He's a really, reallygood dude. And,
well, that's great to hear. Andthen how did this accept thing
come along and give me thehistory of accept? Because I
know that. You know the I knowthat you've got your balls to
the wall 1983 which was like ayear or two before you were
born, and now you're playingwith this band, right? So that's
my
ball buster, by the way, becauseI'm the youngest in the band by

(01:13:40):
10 years. Yeah, so. But
I mean, is it the originalsinger, the original guitar
player? Like, what? What is madeup of Wolf's the
last original dude that's there,
Mark turnello from TT quickmarks, been there since 2009
when they reformed the bandafter about 1015, years.
Is that the singer the originalguy? Yeah, look like, turn the

(01:14:02):
oil. So Joy Z boy, yeah. So he'sthe original fellow, Sparky,
yeah, the way union guy. So it'sbecoming,
um, sort of a foreigner,
kind of a there's only oneoriginal member that's was
either Mick or Lou, yeah, andthen everybody else's side,
guys, yeah, yeah,

(01:14:23):
pretty much, yeah. With theexception of, though, Mark, when
he joined the band, they put outa record called Blood of the
nations, yeah, which still tothis day is one of their biggest
sellers, really and completelyreshaped the sound of the band,
yeah. So it went from, you know,the Udo type vocals, so now

(01:14:46):
you've got a guy that can stilldo all that, but this guttural,
powerful just
is that you're drumming in theblood of the nations.
No, I joined. I joined midwaythrough the blind rage tour.
First studio record was rise ofchaos. Then we did too mean to
die at my place. And then we didhumanoid, which is the record we

(01:15:09):
just finished the touring cycleon. Okay,
so those years are so I can lookthem
up. Let's see. Rise of chaos was2017, to mean to die, came out
January of 21 I think. Andhumanoid was 24 nice. And then

(01:15:31):
there's two, I think it's two.Might be three. No, yeah,
there's definitely two livealbums I'm on. We did a record
that came out early 2017 calledrestless and live,
live record, yep. So how did youguys? Was it truly live, like

(01:15:52):
you didn't touch it? Did youjust like a mobile recording?
Here's the set.
So, pretty much, yeah. I
mean, you have the technology.If you want to tune a vocal a
little bit, you should thevocal,
all that stuff was there, yeah,
minor stuff, if a guitar wasout. We did a festival in 2015
in balling in Germany calledbang your head, yeah? So when

(01:16:15):
you get restless and live, youget the DVD of that show. That
thing's Full Tilt, yeah, theaudio from that, because there's
one moment where there's thisgiant, long catwalk, this big
thrust going into the audience.Peter baltis and Wolf are out on
the end of it. Peter's theoriginal bass player who's no

(01:16:35):
longer with the band. Peter andWolf are out there jamming, and
Wolf turns around and heads backbecause, you know, we got to
sing. And Peter just jams alittle bit too long and realizes
it last minute. No, there'sabout four steps going down from
the main stage level to thethrust, and Peter's up there in

(01:16:57):
in shit kickers and cowboyboots, runs like the wind to get
back up and caught the tip ofhis boot on the top step at
stage level, face planted, slidall the way up to the riser on
his base, and then just sat upon his knees and threw his Hands

(01:17:20):
up,
like I meant to do that. If
you watch the DVD, I don'tremember what song that happened
in, but if you watch that DVD,you'll see it shows Peter on the
catwalk. I think it cuts thewall for Mark, then it cuts to
me, and I'm dying.
I am just in tears. And everytime he wasn't, he wasn't hurt.

(01:17:41):
No, he was
fine, and everybody else is intears. But the crazy thing was,
he got up and his base was stillin tune.
Amazing. Oh, wow. So did youhear it like, oh yeah,
oh yeah. So we cut that partout, yeah, we fixed that,
yeah. But amazingly enough, itstayed playing. But
then there's also, there's twoCDs that come with it, which is

(01:18:05):
live audio board tapes from thefull year. So it was like, I
think there was a show or two inRussia that we recorded that
year. There's some stuff inGreece. There's stuff throughout
Europe, South America, maybe allkinds of stuff. So it's, cool.
So that's restless. And livefrom 2017 and then in 20 later,

(01:18:26):
2017 we headlined the vaakfestival in Germany. So that's
the biggest heavy metal festivalin the world. Wow. It's
something like over four or fivedays, it's 300 bands or
something like that. Distortion,the main, the
then, when you ran into anvil,the story of anvil, yeah, one of

(01:18:49):
them,
the main. And it's one of thesewhere they do, you know, Europe
has its stuff together when itcomes to festivals. They know
what they're doing. Two giantmain stage, stages right beside
each other, and what they callthe infield. So that's the main
big act headliner. Stage, 85,000people in the field beyond that

(01:19:11):
barricade, though you have allthe like elevated platforms that
can hold a handful of 1000s, andthey're scattered all over the
place, plus their delay towersin the other field at different
stages, whatever bands notplaying on that stage, they're
streaming the live one the mainstage we played when we

(01:19:36):
headlined. We did it with theCzech National Symphony
Orchestra, full on 60 pieceorchestra. Wow. Bombs fire. The
whole deal. 85,000 people in thefield. Over a million people
live streamed it, and it wassimulcast in seven different
countries. It's amazing. And mymom and my now wife, yeah, you

(01:19:56):
know, were there to witness it.
So that was cool. Hey, tell usabout that. That COVID. Going to
get your Musk off the show. So
my wife, Ainsley, is an artistrock and roll Americana, but she
also has a company calledainslie's essential blends,
where she does all naturalcleaning products, smells and
you name it. And we came up withthis. It's a roll on scent for

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him and her called Rock See,he's breaking the fourth
wall now, yes, yeah, leather
tits.
It smells like leather. And I
joke, I said, just because youlook like a rock star doesn't
mean you have to smell like oneor no, just because you party
like a rock star doesn't meanyou should smell like one, ah,

(01:20:41):
it's great. But, yeah, it's,it's leather and and a bit of
musk, but it's soft enough towhere, you know you smell it on
a woman like, Oh, hey. Well,
how do you get a leathers? Howdo you get a scent of leather
into a bottle? Talk
to her. She knows all thatmagic. I don't think she's gonna
divulge details that'sincredible. Is there a website

(01:21:03):
or anything? Ainsley centralblends.com? There we go, look
into the camera and say it now,ainslie's essential blends.com.
Now say it
this, ainslie's essentialblends.com.
That's right, rock and roll onyes

(01:21:24):
for him, and
yeah, dude, we even made, wemade a cheesy commercial because
we make fun of, like the perfumeand cologne commercials all the
time, like so dramatic like theone where Johnny Depp buries his
damn jewelry in the desert and awolf house. What does that have
to do with a Sauvage? Sauvage,yeah, or, like, the sausage,

(01:21:47):
what's her name, walkingthrough, like, the Egyptian
temple, and Joe del deal, yeah,
yeah, Natalie Portman, you know,yeah, all that stuff, yeah.
I so we're like, man,
let's just get silly. We'll makeone of those, and we'll both dub
the voices, and I'll do thesuper low, sexy,

(01:22:12):
and we'll just make it as sillyas possible. But it
works, yeah, man, that's like,get remind you ever see the hype
reels of certain you know, like,do you follow any of these like
gurus online now? No, so Well,okay, I'll look at cats Cafe is
thought leader. ThoughtLeadership type of videos. I
follow a lot of these guys. Andthey'll do these things where

(01:22:34):
everything's in slow mo. They'llhave the the car, the Porsche,
will pull up and the the dooropens slowly, and they're
getting out and putting thesunglasses on for some reason,
and then going to their and, youknow, and they're going to their
private everything, slow mo. Andit's just life, man, this is
just, this is just me every day.And it's like, I want to make
one where I'm doing the sameexact thing, looking how I look,

(01:22:56):
getting out of my banged up 2008Honda Odyssey. And just, you
know, if you want to learn moreabout success, follow Jim,
that's really
funny. There's one out there,
you know, the the like Russianblonde with the Bentley, or
whatever, scratching like theASMR AMS, whatever that thing

(01:23:17):
is, she's like scraping hernails across the grill and bent
le, flicking, you know, the hoodornament, bent le. There's been
so many parodies of that wheresomebody comes up and, like,
knocks on the hubcap and

(01:23:38):
goes or slams the door.
Yeah. Like the knockoff of aHonda. Man, yeah, hey, they came
a long way. Man, yeah. Man, Kia,so you got C Williams,
drums.com, for people to reachout to you, and you guys got to
tour this year, right?
Yeah, we actually acceptworldwide.com
Yep, except worldwide.com/tour

(01:24:02):
beautiful. I gotta say, I'mlooking at the website now, and
you guys look so metal. You'renot gonna bruise, you're gonna
rust. Well, you know what? Thethe rule of heavy metal photos
is, smoke
back lighting, and you're notreally you're missing. You're
missing all of it. I'm but I'mthis is what I'm seeing. I'm
describing what I'm seeing.You're not really smiling, but

(01:24:22):
you're not grimacing or lookingmean at me. You're kind of
smirking. All of you guys arekind of like, like, you're
almost crazy, where
the Phil likes to joke thatwe're the happiest metal band in
the world. Yeah, that's great.And I love the
fact that you're not holdingdrumsticks, yeah, you know,
because that it's like, I justwant to make sure that, you
know, I'm the drummer. Yeah,those in shirt and the fact that

(01:24:42):
you also have a font that has avoice Sabi on it, well, it's not
like that. It's more like
except is a German heavy metalband
with legendary impact and aniconic reputation. Nation
spanning over four decades. Youtoo can get

(01:25:06):
your thoughts to the proverbialwall, yeah,
but that's it has that voice.It's like a Trajan font. I want
to say, but I was going
to say the most important partabout taking photos with a heavy
metal band, the the underlying,unspoken rule, first one that
smiles gets kicked in the nuts,

(01:25:28):
really? Yeah, no smiling. Thisis working. You have to look
like you're holding a secret.You're
holding you, or you just have togo full on. But
it's really, it's really hard toget a great press shot for so
many drinks, my last
beer, right? Did I just it'slike, you know, did I just drink
piss? Yeah, because that thelook.

(01:25:48):
It's like, you can't be by therailroad tracks, you can't be in
the alley or against the
brick wall. Skid Row already didall. It's like, Are
you guys familiar with thebuilding in Chattanooga? You
guys familiar with Chattanooga?Yeah, that's the multi like, as
you make the curd the cover onthe river, it's on the right
side. They're destroying it now.But every time I drive by it,
I'm like, That's a perfect placefor a heavy metal video. Yeah,

(01:26:09):
perfect. Yeah, just an old rundown industrial mill. Windows
are
broken somewhere in Franklin.There's a building like that
that actually is a photo shootplace where they've actually
curved the bottom of the walland painted it solid white so
they don't have to hang thefabric. Oh, really. We did a
video shoot in there, like as apromo release. When UVA and I

(01:26:34):
joined the band in 2015 we justdid a half of a song called fall
of the Empire. We did thatthere, and we did the all the
press photos there as well.
What's a music video? Come tothink of it, now that we're
we're getting visuallydescriptive, like, for some
reason I'm thinking like the oldwar for territories video from

(01:26:57):
Sepultura. What's the one thatkind of resonates in your mind
as a favorite that kind ofinspired you as a drummer,
because, I mean, Igor was afreaking beast. You mean? Video,
yeah, I don't, you know. I don'tknow. Well, odd question. The
one that sticks out when I thinklike metal. Video, just the
overall look and theme was SkidRow monkey business, great,

(01:27:17):
where baz is standing out on therailroad tracks, and then
they're jamming. How
about rat? Bobby, blots areround and round. Funny. Well,
even
blots is like the king of theDoom. Lay it down. I want to
bring that groove back, dude.It'd be good missing that. Bring
that back. But yeah, theshuffle, the mega, massive,

(01:27:40):
iconic one for me as a kid, waswild side Motley, oh yeah,
watching that and the drums, andjust like I like
that shout at the devil video,because the girls are just so
ready to go and looks. I was, Iwas like, I was like, a, you
know, a horny pubescent teen. Iwas like, Oh my gosh, she does
have
the looks that kill and she'scrawling over the rock

(01:28:01):
King Bell being Bing bell.
And I love it that he actuallyhit a bell. The clock strikes
midnight, even though the bellsthis big dude, Tommy.
Tommy is just such a rock. He's
such a drazor monster. Another
cool story born to be a rock.So, you know, they always say,

(01:28:21):
don't meet your heroes andeverything. And for years and
years, like Tommy's top five forme, I
was gonna ask you, so he's inthe top five, who? What's the
what's the list? Tommy
Lee, Randy, Castillo, JerryShirley, uh, Bonzo, of course.
And then probably Vinnie,because you just have to Vinny

(01:28:43):
Collier, Vinnie Paul. I mean,Paul's in there, but if you're
talking about top five thathave, like, shaped me, it's
those dudes about
that Joe's Garage record.Brother, oh, let me so we don't
go down either. What
is the Lars hate justified? Doyou think? I mean, he's not. I

(01:29:07):
mean, back when I used to listento them, like pre Black Album,
and even the documentary theydid, he was solid, man, is he
just kind of phoning it in. Nowhe thinker,
no, I mean, it's just his meter.You know, that's the thing. Like
his drum parts are solid, right?He's great in that, but it's,
it's just his meter. Everybodybags on, which, you know is

(01:29:28):
true, but there's no Metallicawithout him, right? He's the
brainchild, yes, both he andJames, but Lars probably more.
So yeah, is the driving forceand
a spokesman for the band,absolutely,
he's the business guy too,
you know, and it's, he's thegene Absolutely,
isn't it funny
that, as drummers, usually havesome sort of second, third or

(01:29:51):
fourth, hustle, slash skills,something else that we bring to
the band, whether it be like ourmarketing or our socials or our
graphic design or. Or something,you know. Voice, absolutely.
VoiceOver,
well, the thing with about Larsis the fact that I think he he's
got to be aware of, you know,with social media roasting and

(01:30:11):
stuff like that, he's letting
him all the way to the
bank. Does he care? He stilltakes it? Well,
the pool, I get it, having acocktail, I
know, but you still, there's gotto be a level of where, you
know, it kind of stings, but hetakes it, at least on the
surface, he's a good sport aboutit. You know, you got to give
him that, yeah, I'm sure, youknow, yeah. Because, I mean, you

(01:30:32):
see him on stage, he's pullingkids out of the audience,
letting them sit with them.It's, that's cool, man. I mean,
I don't have to do that. And
the other thing too, is, like,think about it, and in this
sense, Tama drums, he singlehandedly, drove the ship for
them, and still doesrealistically, like, you know
how many 10s of 1000s orhundreds of 1000s of drum sets

(01:30:56):
that guy's probably sold becausecompany, he is
kind of like the Ringo star ofthat brand. Because, I mean,
sure, you love Billy cotton, youlove Simon Phillips, you love
Kenny Aronoff. They, they mightsell some Stuart Copeland, but
like Lars. Lars,
yeah, he's the back in the 80s,it was the two top, the Pepsi
and Coke, if you will, were tamaand Pearl. You remember back,

(01:31:19):
that's what I got into. Yeah,yep. Pearl was my first entry
into brand new drums, yeah, man.And then you
had Ludwig. Was Ludwig was 70,somewhere in there, trying to
compete, but they had
a big presence in the 70s thanksto Zeppelin. You know, Neil was
a Slingerland guy at first. Thenhe went to Tama he went to tam

(01:31:42):
two. And then, of course, youhad Alex playing Ludwig gene.
Alex
was always Tama hardware too.Well. I thought
he was playing, I rememberreading an article with him. He
played ghost bass drum pedals.And I've always wanted to look
those up. Those were
the tama pedals. Were they idea?I think those were the the, if

(01:32:02):
I'm not mistaken, I I've got apair of Stefan Kaufman's old
Tama pedals, really, where it's,you know, it's that 70s design
strap, leather strap, yeah, butit's, but the spring assembly is
actually going up, and it's,
oh, yeah, but you're not goingto Ludwig for hardware. Let's
face it,
no, well, not back then anyway,yeah, the Alice stuff's pretty

(01:32:24):
solid. But, I mean, he was allLudwig drums, but as soon as
they started making some cash,it was Tama hardware, and that's
where the octa bands came in,the bombs. Well, Tama was also
the rosewood snare. Did you
say Stuart Copeland? Yeah, okay,yeah. Because he's the one who
kind of brought that to theforefront too. And Tama became
aligned with being, well, KennyAronoff was a Tama

(01:32:46):
guy. But what's cool though,that a lot of people overlook,
you know, Stuart gets the creditfor the octo bonds or whatever.
It's actually Billy Cobhamreally. COVID was the very first
one in the 70s to have the gongdrum and the octagons. And they
were the acrylic ones. Thosewere the first ones for the
clear acrylic tubes. He's got
the history of drums right here,man, hey, I tell you what. You

(01:33:08):
know, our friend Bart, VanderZee, he's got that drum History
podcast, oh yes, a couple coupleof 100 episodes. And what he
does is, I gotta, I gotta reachout to him, or see him at a
trade show, or just get him onthe phone. I think it's a great
show. It's very it's verybuttoned up, it's very
researched. But he'll be like,they'll do a focus like the drum
gear of Alex Van Halen, the drumgear of of Nico McCarthy, the

(01:33:30):
drum gear of Ringo Starr. Andthey do a deep dive. And he
brings on experts, and they talkabout what that guy had through
the different eras. And they'lldo like, the history of the bass
drum pedal, the history of thehigh had something like the
history of electronic drums.It's a really educational
podcast. That's
another world that I'm really,really into is the electronic

(01:33:52):
drum world. Yeah,
love it. Did you guys follow?Remember when we had How did I
unfollow this guy? That's weird,vintage drum catalogs. You
follow that on Instagram.Remember we had him on? Yeah?
Maxwell shaft. You know Maxwellfrom person from KHS apex, and
then he plays down at RobertsWestern world. So much cool. He
collects all these vintage

(01:34:13):
they're great. It's such a greatwalk down memory lane. It's
incredible. Hey,
what's your favorite color? Wegot a red. Yeah, what's your
food or dish? Mexican, dude, TexMex, or just straight up mole,
mole. Straight up Mexican.Mexican. Where do you go in
Nashville? Where's the spot? Is
it? Nolensville road. I mean,yeah, Galton road. It depends on

(01:34:35):
what I'm getting. Yeah, believeit or not, like there's a spot
toward Mount Juliet. I don'tremember the name of it, but
it's one of the few places I'vehad that have killer tamales.
Tamales, yeah, I like the greenaround Christmas. Oh, my God,
because I grew up in El Paso,yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, like,
fantastic, yeah. What about yourfavorite cocktail? Favorite

(01:34:55):
cocktail?
Hmm, it used to be. Vodkacrayons used to be, yeah, went
to that phase. And thensomething happened around 35
where this thing called thehangover started, yes, yeah.
Ainsley was the same way. It wasright around the same time,
oddly enough, just like, Oh,Jesus, what? How, yeah, you

(01:35:20):
know, and those hang around fora
few days. She needs to makesomething for that, right?
Tell me about, yeah,
I'm a Scotch dude. Oh, wow,scotch and tequila. Don't mix
them. I haven't
experimented with
the scotch, but it's, you'revery sophisticated, and
something you could sip. It
is, yeah, it is. That's why Idig it. Because, man, again, the

(01:35:43):
hangovers, yeah? Like greatmovies. You can, you can give me
beers and it's like four or fiveright off the bat, and then
mellow, yeah, and then just takeit slow. Can't do that with
liquor, yeah? You got to respectit, or it'll kick you in the
face. Yes. So, I guessmargaritas, yeah, yeah, what

(01:36:05):
they would call skinnymargaritas, but a real
Margarita, yeah, where it's limejuice, you know, some form of a
triple sec,
yeah. And do you like thereposado or the BLANCO when
you're just doing your tequila?Uh, we'll do reposado,
yeah. And then I'll sip on yourhost and mezcan,
hey, get this. I got a friend,Greg Sobel. He's I met him like

(01:36:26):
over 20 years ago in SouthernCalifornia. We were playing the
Galaxy Ballroom in Santa Ana,and kept in touch on and off all
these years. And he justdeveloped the first kosher, the
world's first kosher tequila,and he sent me a bot, two
bottles of stuff, a reposado anda Blanco killer. It's kosher.

(01:36:50):
What makes it kosher, though?Um, he's gonna explain that, but
it's basically the idea,whatever that process is where,
you know, like, involved inanimals whatsoever. There's no
clovid feet.
There's a process where it hasto do with the ingredients, and
then what, you know, what theyapprove the priest, there's a
priest involved. Or, like, youknow, unless there's some sort

(01:37:10):
of a process, I know it's, it'slike, super clean, there's a lot
of rules. And so anyways, wefigure maybe we'll get him on
the show, because he's a true,you know, he has an
entrepreneurial spirit.
He bring you some samples. Callyour boy. I'll tell you what.
Yeah, you know, I just can'twait. That's I got the tequila
Jones from our Singer, Mark,yeah, except he's a tequila

(01:37:32):
head. I see he's so there's forfor beer drinkers. There's an
app called untapped, yeah, whereyou can kind of sign in, do all
that. There's one for tequila,where, wherever we are in the
world, he gets on there andlooks at the map and finds
what's near us, because that'sthat's our game, myself, Mark

(01:37:53):
and our rhythm guitar player.UVA, if it's not Mexican, we
will find the Irish Pub. Ah, wecan be in the middle of a
desert, yeah, and around thecorner, there's somewhere with
Guinness on tap, and the linesare clean so it doesn't taste
skunked. We will find that
place. Give Guinness anothershot, if we're
playing in your city, yeah?Either, like, where, you know,

(01:38:18):
the grandmother is in thekitchen, cooking, yeah? We're
either going to be eating thatMexican food, yeah, or we're
going to be at the Irish Pub alittle
some fish and chips and aGuinness. Have you been to the
Guinness factory in Ireland?
I was in Dublin once, yeah. Butwe got in at like, six o'clock,
yeah. So I missed it, but Iwent, I went drinking an Old

(01:38:40):
Town, which was maybe a half amile from our hotel, where all
that is, yeah, and it was themost delicious Guinness I've
ever had in my life. It's alsowhere I discovered, like the
Jameson castmates before theycame here, and then, like the
Jameson single barrel, like theBlack Label, that's like, super

(01:39:00):
smooth and little bit sweet, butnot too much. Yeah,
what are your some of yourfavorite spots to visit in
Europe? You're probably beingthere so often that you have
your favorite go to spots ineach city, country, states, you
know, like,
I love Hamburg. It's a watercity. So just walking along, you

(01:39:22):
know, the docks and everything,just, I love water in general.
It gives me peace, yeah,especially in this crazy, hectic
thing that, that we do, that wedo, yeah, Hamburg is great.
There's a city called Leipzig inGermany that they've got one of
these old beer halls that's acouple 100 years old underground

(01:39:43):
called Auerbach Keller, and itis the most amazing meal I've
ever had. Awesome. It'sreindeer. Oh, I've had reindeer.
Yeah, slow roasted, marinatedwith the gravy. They've got the
red cabbage and canola, which islike this. Puffed up potato
dumpling type thing, amazing.You want to go to sleep right

(01:40:05):
after you eat it, but it's thebest thing. Yeah,
I had the reindeer in Stockholm.Yeah, yep,
uh, Munich's great because ofhofbrow house. Yeah, I love
that. One of my favorite beers.Have you
been there for Vegas? Did you goto hofbra house, Vegas by
chance?
No, no, I didn't know they hadone. I knew there was, there was
like a replica in like Chicagoarea, kind of like Rosemont, or

(01:40:29):
somewhere around there.
I play like Rome. We
not Rome. We've played PISA
Florence. What's Napoli? IMilan. We played lots were the
most handful of times welldressed people in the world, in
the cathedral, yeah, we
played there a handful of times.

(01:40:51):
Not much in Italy. And a greatspots to buy fashion, forward
fashion.
I
saw a pair of overalls, yeah?Like a Versace label, or one of
these, like Mega monies, withfactory grass stains and scuffs.
And it was like five grand for apair of overalls. And looking at

(01:41:13):
it going, Dude, we can just goto Goodwill and I'll walk on
them, yeah, if you want this
car hard it up. We'll just, yougotta put, we gotta put Tractor
Supply in the map. We just
gotta buy, gosh, it, right? Iwouldn't do that, but I'm just
saying it's like, um, grow ifyou're in Paris or Rome or
Milana, you're gonna, you'regonna find some nice threads,
man, yeah,

(01:41:33):
no, I'll lose me. I'd
rather, I'd rather buy drums.
Snare drums are gonna lastlonger, and they'll actually
appreciate, Hey,
Jim, ask your question, and wethen we have a bass player
coming in. Ooh, amazing, ooh.
So my question would be, whatpart of a kids movie completely
scarred you? I'm sorry,

(01:41:57):
ouch. Of a kids it could be likethat. Could be like Pixar or or,
you
know, something you watched whenyou were a kid. That was a kid's
movie.
Oh, I see, you know, thatscarred me. I don't know,
bambi's
mother gets killed, yeah, thatkind of thing. Now,
okay, how about this one,
stinker, I don't know it waslike horror. It makes
you think that does, dude, petcemetery scared

(01:42:19):
the hell out. Hi, there you go.
Upstairs.
My, my, my brother loved thatmovie again. Five years older,
scared the hell out of me. Ididn't go to sleep that night. I
couldn't see the cassette tapewithout getting scared. So my
mother would hide it on top ofthe refrigerator. VHS, yeah. But

(01:42:41):
then my brother would also pullcrap, like, if he was
babysitting me, you know, I'd bein mom's room watching TV, and
he'd reach in and cut off thelight and pull the door close
and go, Oh, wow, and scratch thedoor. And I'm, you know, you're
like, five years old. You're notthinking, I can get off this bed
and just go turn on the light.It's just him, like, That was

(01:43:04):
Friday the 13th, right? Yeah,all of those. He had the full
box set when they came out. Oh,yeah, Freddie, all of them.
Jason takes Manhattan, all ofthat stuff.
Michael Myers is quite acharacter. But, I mean, that
question. Michael Myers, but,
but he grew up, you know,watching it like Freddy Krueger
was hilarious
too. Yeah, I'm your boyfriendnow and

(01:43:24):
through the phone. Yeah,hilarious, but yeah, it wasn't
until years later I got intothat genre. Now I love it. Oh, I
love it. Just messed me up.Messed me up. I've seen them
all,
see that was a good question. Ityielded fruit, yeah? How dare
you throw shade. That wasfruitful. Yeah?
But the first one was, that wasa stand was, that was
a stinker. Yeah, it wasn't.

(01:43:45):
That was it went into adifferent version of the
question, Hey, man, I'm justGene Simmons, and you, I know
you're freaking roughing me uphere. What's an issue you got?
We got to talk about something.What do you
mean? I'm funny. What's so funnyabout me? No,
no, no, he's a big boy. Do yousaid it? He knows what. Let him
talk. Let him talk
when he's when he stabs him inthe trial, yeah, God, brutal. My

(01:44:08):
just go have then they just goeat dinner. Sunday
dinner. Yeah, not much. It'sthe, what do you call it? The
Paw, the paw, the hoof, thehoof. Ma, it's a sin. It's a
sin. Great movie, all the goodfellas
and all the godfathers, dude,I'm telling you, this was so
long overdue. Yeah, man. And Iappreciate you coming out.
Appreciate you having me have anamazing tour this year. Thank

(01:44:29):
you, brother. Yeah, I get tohope you get to visit. Are you
gonna be able to visit thosespots you're talking about?
Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Hopefully. So I know we'redoing,
we got like, four or five weeksin Europe this summer. Now you
guys go to Asia. We're doingJapan
couple weeks. Tokyo isn't gonnabe a bus. Haven't done it. I
love Tokyo the other planet,
right? Osaka is my favoriteother place in the world. If I

(01:44:50):
could live anywhere else, I'dmove to Osaka. We
got the Osaka Japanesesteakhouse up the street. It
looks actually little different,
topical. But by the time thisgoes. Is out. It's not going to
be so topical. I want to govisit Bangkok. Yeah,
never been to Thailand. Have
you guys seen the videos? Iconnected
Shanghai once in China. Thatsucked. Yeah, you mentioned we

(01:45:14):
had a flight connection. We wereflying to Australia from Tokyo.
Again. Connected in Shanghai,China. Oh, wow. That sucked.
That was not fun. Did you guys
see those videos this week thatcame out from the big earthquake
over there? Oh, my God. You seelike, all the like, the, oh, is
that the building? The building?Yeah, the pools were splashing
out and falling down, and

(01:45:34):
all this happened so far away,and the effects came all those
miles. Yeah. So get this one,of, one of my gals went on the
roof, good friends, Sophie monk,she's a celebrity. She's a huge
celebrity in Australia. Shehosts like, you know, Australia
has got this and, you know, thedating shows over there. And she
was in Bangkok when it happened,really, and survived, okay. She

(01:45:57):
got out of there. Yeah, yeah.
Because it reminded me when youwere talking about earlier,
being three stories up now, Imean, imagine being up on a
building, and it starts swaying,
man, there was a video of, therewas a couple in, you know, it's
an infinity pool on top of aroof, but at least there's a
glass wall, but they're on thetop of the building, yeah,
swimming. And then you see thewater

(01:46:17):
start swinging around. Don'tswim, guys kids, the guys
holding on for dear life. Yeah,don't
do Nope.
There's this glass wall on theedge. On the Edge,
yeah, in the infinity pools, itgives the illusion of an edge,
but there's actually a splasharea on
a proper infinity pool. Yeah, itflows over and there's actually

(01:46:39):
a basin, but it looks like itjust goes forever. Yeah, this
was that theme, but a giant,thick, I guess, Plexi or acrylic
wall, probably the depth of thepool, and maybe another four or
five feet above the deck, so notthat big, and you're swimming
and looking down at the Earth asthe water is no, I'm good, get

(01:47:03):
out of that pool. Are theyliterally getting in that thing
anyway? You kidding me? They
got videos of the pool watersplashing down. I think one of
the pools, like, emptiedcompletely, and people on the
ground got like, washed awaylike a tidal wave,
broken necks, probably, no, no,God, that's horrible. I won't
even do the Chicago the ledge orwhatever, with the cracked
floor. And then there's, is itin Vegas? There's like a room

(01:47:25):
you stand in that actually tips?Oh, yeah, I think
that's Chicago too. It's not forme. Yeah. No,
not for me. I'll keep my feet onthe ground. Christopher
Williams, C Williams drums.com,also check out his woodworking
business. Check out his bridesbusiness. It's just called
wensley's
essential blends. Yeah, love it.Anglesley Music official.com.
Amazing. My personal socials,YouTube, Facebook, all that

(01:47:49):
stuff is at C Williams, drums,CDW, Woodworks with an X. CDW,
metal works with an X. Hey, bro.And soon to be launched,
kick logos.com Oh, so you'regonna start doing logos.
I've been doing custom heads formyself and for years and years.
Great. What happens? You're aremote guy, yeah, right. You're

(01:48:14):
a DW guy, right? You got a redkit, right? You want a red logo
on a fiber skin head. But who'sgot it? Where do you go? You got
anybody in town? No, not anybodyin town. You want custom
graphics to go along with that?No, call your boy. How you doing
it? Like laser printing orsomething, or is like, dicotter.
We gotta talk off and thenoffline, and then graphics.

(01:48:36):
Yeah, I'm doing out
as well. Smart buddy. See,you're really smart, and if one
of your revenue streams goesaway. You're cool because you
got five others, yep,
and Lord and out of the house.Lanc studio, that's right.
Third. How
many inputs? 24 inputs. 3232
inputs of drums to your inbox.By Christopher Williams, thanks
for being here, buddy. Thanksfor having I appreciate it, man.

(01:48:57):
Good to meet you. Likewise,yeah, Jim, thanks for all you do
is brother. And to all thelisteners, we appreciate it. Be
sure to subscribe, share, rateand review we there's you know,
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appreciate it. We'll see younext time. Thanks so much.
Thanks. Chris, thanks, Jim, this
has been the rich Redmond show.Subscribe, rate and follow along

(01:49:21):
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