Bass, Bands, and Backstage Stories: Brian Arsenault's 25-Year Musical Journey :: Ep 221 The Rich Redmond Show

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Drummers get the brunt of jokes and stuff like that.

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Oh, I'm getting to that. Yeah.Well, I mean, bass players do
too, though. Oh yeah, you know,because if you look at the chart
of girls to people in the bandratio, you know, typically, the
singer's got two girls in eacharm. Guitar players got a girl
on each arm, one girl, drummergot one girl on an arm and bass
players by itself.

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Is that how it works? This isthe rich Redman show. I get
good stories. We roomed
together for a year. Yes, we didroom together for a year when I
was doing Body for Life, and Ihad my myoplex
shakes absolute on the bus. Howdid

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I not know you did that? Well,you know, I only got because
I hadn't been on the show yet.
I only got, I mean, I think, Ithink I leaned up a little bit,
but I don't know if I did it allthat was rigorous, right? Yeah,
that was a tough. Oh, eating sixtimes a day, six times
a day, salmon burgers.
Now I only eat two or threetimes a day, and I fast. Well,

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most days I will fast until noonor one, really, and that's when
I get my first meal. When do youstop eating?
Um, I try to do it no later thanthree hours before
bed. Okay, yeah, I'm a big fanof fasting. Yeah, I did it a few
years ago, serious and sometimesgoing 1820 hours a day. Yeah,
nice. And I was never more alertin my life.

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Yeah? Because one, you know,we're just as humans, especially
Americans, we were justshoveling too much food in our
way, too much, you know? Yep,
yeah. But I think our foodsupply has also been compromised
over the last 2030, years. Didyou
guys watch the latest bill burrstand up? I've
half of it. I got half more togo. Okay, so we've watched

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it three times, because thefirst two times we were, like,
only half conscious. We were inand out, you know. Then we
watched it again last night. Andman, he's got some good points.
But yeah, food supply is, yeah,
those stand up comics, they'rethey're brilliant, they're
smart. I love watching thecomedians and cars, yeah,
getting coffee, because you seehow smart these people, yeah?
Oh, you're just in tune witheverything. And

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they got to be in tune, youknow, they got their radar.
They're like songwriters. Theirradar has to be up, but they're
also tapped into a very darkpart of life, depending on what
kind of comedy
date. Well, they say that mostcomedians are damaged human
beings in some way, or they sayfor some form of trauma, but you
know, the social commentary isat a high level, and just the

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ability to walk out on stagewithout a net and do that thing?
Yeah? Because when we're seeingbill, it's probably at the end
of a three month run culminates.He's got his reps in, he's got
his reps in to where there'sless. The connective tissue is
all there, yeah, because Ididn't see one cue card, I don't

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see one note on stage, nothing,you know, like Bill Maher, we,
you know, I'm a fan of BillMaher. He, he's always, he's
always had a television show,and then his stand up comedy is,
is icing on the cake. So maybehe'll only, do, you know, 20
shows a year, or whatever. Buthis thing is, he's got a music
stand, which is, I think it'scool. He's got a little music
stand in the corner with littlenotes. And he'll just walk over

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to the music stand and go,
oh yeah, I appreciate BillMaher's objectivity as of late.
Well, he's
less far left and more right inthe middle, looking at both
sides and going, No, you're anidiot, and no urine. And
which is, which is theconversation that needs to
happen at this point in time.More of a empathic, empathetic,
centrist conversation, yeah,common sense. The empath is your

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wife. The empath is my wife.
Absolutely, that's
that's a cool thing to have inyour tool chest as a human,
because she's seeing or feelingthings that we're not, yeah. But
it also could be
tough because she's seeingthings and hearing things
that we're not, no, I mean,it's, you know, we're going on

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24 years not
you're doing just fine. I'm justsaying, but I was married to an
empath. Yeah, it's heavy.
So housekeeping. Anything newcoming up? You want to talk
about, oh, Jim,
you know, when this comes out,it's seven or eight weeks. I
mean, we have so many of theseepisodes in the can. We're gonna
have merch. We at this point, wewill be wearing our own hoodies.

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We're not We're not wearing themnow, drinking out of our own
coffee mugs, right? And I'm soexcited about this merch
company, because she's reallyclassy. She does a great job.
What's the company?
The nesting project in
Antioch, or Smyrna and Smyrna,
yeah, and the idea is that wedon't have to hold stock. So if
you really like the hoodie, youreally like the baseball shirt,

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you really like the coffee mug,it gets built, it gets
manufactured at when you orderit, right? Which is awesome.
Yes, super excited. But no,we're just eating some truffles
today from a friend of mine,Stan Z. Three concepts. He just
had me in. Of course, this willbe eight weeks old news to do my
master class. Kind of one manshow thing over in Erie,

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Pennsylvania, had a great time.Put me up in this amazing hotel
room right on Lake Erie. Webroke bread. I got to meet some
new people. I got to work withsome kids. You know, from there
was this thing called the Theeerie art house, and it was
basically, you know, kids afterschool that have troubled home

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lives. They can go and they cando something productive with the
arts, music, painting, all thatkind of stuff. Alice Cooper has
a similar thing where you goafter school, it's a safe place
for kids to, like, learn ProTools and video production or
learn to play a musicalinstrument, which is a great
thing. Which is a great thing.Yeah. But what about you, buddy?
Anything been kind of happeningyou want to kind of, kind of
promote, besides your lightingbusiness, or,

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well, we've got the Well, Imean, about this time when it
comes out, we'll probably bepast the human
Oh, yeah. Your Huey gig will bemay 28 at City winery. Jim has
been playing drums for fun for avery long time, but now he's
going to be in the public eye.He's going to be on stage. He's
going to be kicking this band,with
this Huey Lewis trippy band. Andgive me your honest opinion.
You've watched me play some ofthis stuff because you've

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been words, you've been woodshedding it every day. You've
been living it. You know, I telleverybody, you don't have to get
ready. If you stay ready andyou've been immersed in the
material, it's going to be partof your DNA. So I think you're,
I think you're ready, yeah,yeah, man, it's a vote of
confidence, dude, good job, man.Everybody
that's been coming on here hasbeen telling me, like, Oh, I'm
gonna be there, and it's like,all these, you know,

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professional guys, heavyweights, and I'm going, that's,
man, no pressure. That's making
you feel good. Yeah, I'm goingto the city winery, uh, Friday
night to see the bodines, whicha fantastic American rock band,
Wisconsin, yeah, Heartland rockband, heartland, yeah,
Wisconsin, that's heartland,right, yeah. So tell us about
our guest. Hey, we're into it,man. So, you know, born in

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Massachusetts, but growing up inMoncton, New Brunswick, Canada.
Moncton, yeah, tell me aboutthat. He's been living in
Nashville since 1997 thisgentleman, I got to play with
Pam Tillis together for about 18months, and we had an amazing
time. But he's a fantastic bassplayer, world class bass
players. Also play with folkslike James Bond me, Kevin sharp,

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Clay Davidson, of course, Imentioned Pam Tillis, but he has
been the band leader and thebass player for Gary Allen, an
award winning country rockmusician Gary Allen for 25 years
talking about my friend Brianarsenal, What's up, buddy? This
is great. I can't believe 25years have come to pass. I know

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first of all congratulations,because having any job in the
music business where you got anice w2 and they got the fic at
the FICA, the medic they getthat they do all the stuff for
you so you don't have suffer onyour taxes. And it's the tour
that never ends that's veryimpressive.
Yeah, I agree. It's just cominghere. I didn't think I was gonna

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be in it this long, sure enough,you're still here. Yeah, gotta
leave tonight. But you're
a lifer. You're a lifer. You'realways gonna be slapping
the best, slapping the best,sleeping the best.
Why didn't he say it that way?
Yeah, it was probably just animprovisational thing where Paul
Rudd was just in the moment, andit was probably, oh, it wasn't
even the first tag, or was anouttake. And like, you know, did

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you
see the one where they did theythey meet rush backstage? Oh,
yes, yes. And he's like, youknow me and Tom Sawyer. He's
like, what'd you say?
Don't they give him kind oflike, yeah, don't do that sort
of thing. Or, yeah.
And they eat Neil's sandwich,and Neil gets very mad, my God,
rest
his soul. God, rest his soul. Ilove that. Judd Apatow, man,
this is 40. Is like, wow, that'slike, a holy grail long movie

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too. And there's a director'scut that's even longer. Oh my
gosh. I love it when he's like,got his legs spread apart and
he's got his iPhone, he's gotthe mirror, he's got the camera
on the iPhone. He's like, canyou tell me, what is this? What
is this? Is it a hemorrhoid? Isthis an anal? Fisher, what is
this? And she's like, can wekeep some romance or
privacy? Yeah, brilliant.

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There's only been one time whereI've had to do that, yeah, in
our marriage. And it's like, itis weird.
Yeah, you do want to keep someyou know, it's the old farting
rule. Like, at what point do youstart farting around each
other? Ever? If ever. Oh, that'swe're way past that. See, I love
the you are totally past that.Yeah?
See, rich, rich has got thatthing where you'll say something
and now look at you like alittle smile.

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Let me ask you this, you didspend a year living together?
Yeah?
We did, yeah. So what was it?Sound kind of strange. I would
never want
anyone else in that band to bemy roommate. We were just it was
great
that, yeah, that year, that wasa different kind of
year. When was the year? Whatyear was
that? 2000 in the year 2000
so did you have did you pick upon his idiosyncrasies, like when

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you bought a new shirt? Did heOh, absolutely. Well, how would
he approach if he didn't likethe shirt? How would he let you
know? Know, I always
like branch shirts, but we hadan out. We had a uniform with
Pam.
I dressed kind of, yeah, black,black shows. One time she had
us, remember, we're in LA, andwe all went into a store
together, and she said,everybody pick out a shirt. I'll

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buy it. Oh, yeah, remember thatthat's where I got this killer
leopards, leopard printedstriped bowling shirt, like
all black with one, one little,tiny stripe right across. I got
the black one with the massive,massive Leopard on each side.
Still have that shirt.
You still have it. Still haveman, you still fit into it

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because you are highwayproportion and you care about
your body. So it's great. Well,thank
you. It's good. Yeah,
I kids am not
now, Jim, are you still on yourtrying 50? Before 50? I
had the pleasure of having aphysical this week. So nice,
little subtle reminder of howawful you're doing. So what did
the doctor say? Oh, high bloodpressure. All the things. Is

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that mostly, is high bloodpressure mostly from stress or
diet, or is it
DNA? Might be hereditary for us,my brother's got high blood
pressure as well, and I think alot of people do, because I'm
wondering if it's not really allthat high, it's just a way to
get meds out there. Oh,
now you're going to the bigconspiracy. Orwellian. Well,

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could be I've got highcholesterol the last couple of
physicals that I went to a Thaicholesterol, I was like, What's
going on here? Yeah, never hadthat problem. Yeah, I eat well,
yeah, could be the water I'mdrinking, yeah? I
think it's the food supply. Imean, you know, ever since we
interviewed Mike Tirana I'vebeen thinking about that. He's
been in Italy, and, you know,he's loving life over there. The

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food's great. He's clean,
yeah. So Mike Taran is thiskiller, like, like, metal fusion
drummer. And he got, you know,he's lived in several countries,
and he's been living abroad inSardinia, Italy, and he's like,
man, he goes, I'm into fitness.And, you know, of course, in the
United States, they say, watchthe pizza, watch the pasta. He

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says he eats pizza and pasta allthe time time, and it doesn't
bother him, and he doesn't gainweight, no, and it's fresh.
I know that whenever I've beento Europe, when they bring out a
platter of, like, a deli platterwith fresh fruit and vegetables,
it's unbelievable. Tastedifferent. Good it is. Yeah,
it's like the the color of fruitin California, yeah, so much

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more vivid.
Oh, god, yeah. The strawberriesare just so succulent and
beautiful. And the avocados,
avocados almonds, so green.
Yeah, almonds. Oh, you're anavocado guy, right? Because
you're a
healthcare an avocado guy, yeah,almonds. A funny story. A couple
of years ago, one of the guys inour band knows this. These
people have an almond farm,yeah, and they brought this

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massive box of almonds, andnobody was taking any. So I
filled this massive bag, it musthave been like 1520, pounds, put
it in my suitcase, because we'reflying out of LA the next day.
And sure enough, that thing isgoing through the security
scanner, and they pull me over.The guys are just watching,

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laughing because they know it'scoming. And he pulls it out,
pulls it out of my suitcase, andlooks at me, and I went,
Albans. He says it likeChristopher walking,
not supposed to chip fruit.
No, he just wanted to know whatI'm doing with a 25 pound bag of
Altman. You're like, Dude, Ilove all almonds. Yeah, they put
them back in the suitcase and Iwas on my way. It's amazing. I

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would just be like, well,
that's nuts. Oh gosh, I'm sorry.Show yourself out
anyways. Yeah, we did have agood time. And I'm trying to
remember where we went in LosAngeles. That was before I
really spent any time in LosAngeles, but it was a may have
been on Melrose Avenue where shetook us. It was like a could
have been, yeah, could havebeen. But those are the, those

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were the the Charlie Sheenbowling shirts that was there
was like a period of time fromlike 97 to 2001 where we were
all wearing our bowling shirts.
Yeah, yeah. I took it out of thecloset five or six years ago,
brought it out on the road, justjust as you know, just to see
the reaction, just the reaction.What did the guy say? John

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Lancaster, wanted to wear it.Oh, yes. Gotta rest us. He can.
He can rest he could. He couldwear anything he wanted. Looked
great. Yeah, yeah, amazing,yeah. Oh, that's
a good thing. So you know,what's the deal with born in
Massachusetts, and then you'rein Canada. So
yeah. So my parents were wentthere in the 60s. I was born

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there in the 60s. Show my age,and yeah, I did up to grade one
and two. It was that littleplace called we we pronounce it
Haverhill. I think spelledHaverhill, haver was about 30
miles, I want to say, east ofBoston. So it was there for till

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grade two, and then my parentsdecided to move back to Canada
be with family and stuff. Andthat's where I grew up until
I'm. Moved here, I think theclass of 97 I hear a lot of
people came here in 97 Yeah, Icame here, actually a couple
months November of 96 is when Icame down to check things out.
Yeah, Nashville was, like amillion miles to me. I wanted to

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go. I wanted to come here foryears. But it just, you know, I
think I did 13 years, 12 or 13years touring Canada, yeah, with
this artist. Who was it? Well,there was, there was different
artists that I worked with. Imean, I started, would have been
like, right, 8319 83 is when Istarted. And I went on the road

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back then the country circuitout there would have been like
six, seven nights a week. Soonce I left New Brunswick and I
went out Western Canada, I wasout for good so I was touring
678, months at a time before Icould come home, my God, and,
you know, just playing countrybars, six, seven nights,
sometimes a Sunday matinee,doing all that kind of stuff

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when you're
going that long, were you like,Were you still living with your
parents? Or did you have agirlfriend? Or
still, well, still living withthe parents that, because I was
out of high school, worked alittle bit of a day job before
this band was coming through,there was a club in Moncton
called the urban Chorale, andthey had won two or three years
in a row for like, top countrybar and yeah. So a lot of the

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great, lot of bands were comingthrough there, even the American
bands. So I used to go downthere. Wasn't old enough to get
in. I got 1617, and I wouldstand outside the door at the
club, because they'd open up thedoorman would open up the doors,
let all the smoke out, justcigarette smoke just billowing
out. But I could hear the band.I couldn't see them. They were
around the corner, and I wouldjust stand up there and just

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listen to the bands all thetime. Then a couple of the
doormen I kind of got to befriends with, and the promoter
of that club, whatever, theyjust what come here, they bring
me around the corner, just, justlittle seat there where I could
see the band, and I'd watch theband. So nice of them. Yeah. So
I did that for a little while,and then a couple years later, I

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get a phone call. I don't knowwho gave them my name, but there
was a band coming through town.Was this is the first one that I
went on the road with. And theycame through town, and they were
looking for a bass player. Iwent to meet them, and I was on
the road. The next day. They hadfired their bass player right
then and there. And I was on theroad. Went to Nova Scotia first,
yeah. And then we went straightout west. Wait
a minute. They fired the bassplayer after meeting you like

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it was his last the day I metthem. Yeah, that was his last
night. Yeah, yeah. Wow. So you
must see you just laughable.You're likable. They're like,
this guy's
gonna be a better fit? Yeah,they had no idea who I was, but,
yeah, they just, but then youjump into nine months of living
with them, but, you know, I'mnot gonna use any names, but I
went on the road with this band,and I think it lasted about 12

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weeks. And starting from nightone, it was just constant
fighting every night. We're in aWinnebago
and fighting. You're not even ina
van. You're in a Winnebago.We're in a Winnebago.
I'm talking physical fighting,like these people, they hit they
had some they had some issues.They had some issues. And I'm

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like, Were you involved in thefights? I was not involved in
the fights you had to watch. Iwas watching this. And Brian is
even key. It was kind of likealmost every night, but the last
night of the week is when allhell broke loose. Wow. And I
think I got out. I'm stillyoung. I'm like, Oh, I gotta
keep doing this, you know. And Ithink I was in, we were out in

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Ontario, somewhere, playing oneplace for two weeks straight.
And
really, know the local wildlife,oh yeah. What I mean? Oh yeah.
What do you mean? See there,there's that, but the head tilt,
but, yeah, that was a the lastnight of that run. It was, was

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the biggest fight I'd ever seen.I've never there was bodies fly.
There's people going throughdrywall, like in the wall. I'm
just like, Okay, I've got to dosomething. I need a new gig. I
need a new gig. So the next nothealthy. The next time we're
going to was Winnipeg, and I hadan uncle that lived there, and I
called him up and I said, Ithink I'm going to quit. I'm a

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bit scared. Why you scared? Isaid, as I explained it to him,
he says, do
I get hazard pay? So you're like19 years old,
18. I think 1819, thinking thatthis is how it
is, thinking, this is this is itright here. So we drive to,
well, after the massive fight,we were told to be on that on
the Winnebago at like five inthe morning, because we got to

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drive to Winnipeg. Was there agirl in the band? There? Was not
in the band, but one of thegirlfriends was on the road. Oh
no.
Okay, what kind of a Winnebagowas? It was at least a nice one.
Or it was like, you know, 1980s70s version. Oh, it's definitely
70s. Oh, wow. It makes it evenworse. Is 1983 that I'm talking
about? Yeah, so we're talkinglike, Alabama's on the radio and

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and, you
know, I'm making maybe 300 bucksa week, but we had to pay the
gas. He took gas money. Out ofall the guys, I'm on the road
778, months, I know I'm just,I'm eating hot dogs and rice and
so but I'm young. I'm like, Thisis rock and roll, right? Yeah,
no, that's great. Yeah. I'm thecountry band. So get on the

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Winnebago and we go to Winnipeg,and it's halfway through the
week, and I'm in my hotel room.You want to hear these
stories? Oh, totally, yeah,
I can. I can hear fighting. It'sthree or four in the morning. I
can hear fighting. So I I had myown room. I think it's been too
long to remember, but I openedthe door of my hotel room

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because I could hear thefighting next door, and I can
hear it's just, it's Armageddongoing on, and our names are
getting thrown it andeverything. I said, That's it.
So I sneak out the window of myhotel because I didn't want to
walk by the room. And I brokeinto the they had a horse
trailer that they were haulingfor behind the Winnebago with
the gear, yeah. And I had a fewthings. I had a banjo in there.

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He's played banjo, yeah, andbroke in there, got my banjo out
and just little knick knacksthat I had, whatever. Got all
that out just in case, becausethat might have been a Friday
night. Saturday was the lastgig. My uncle said, I'll be down
there with a couple guys helpyou get your base amp and all
that out of there. Okay, sowe're into the you play four

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sets. Always play four sets upat 10 to two in the morning.
That was the 45 on 15 off, 45 on15 on yet the other off. Some of
those clubs, the stripper wouldcome in and perform. That's
great. Yeah, nice. So here backin that time, so I'm playing,
it's, I think was the four. It'sthe third, third set. Here comes

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my uncle. The door opens. Myuncle comes in, and he's got
about 15 guys with him, bigguys, and everybody's turning
around, like, it's like a bikegame, nice. And I'm
like, came to the rescue, rightfrom A
Bronx Tale, when they go intothe bar, into the bar. Now you
can't leave great movie.
Yeah, locks the door so, but,yeah, I quit that night and

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but what the hell were thesepeople fighting about? You
missed a chord on the secondsong tonight, I
know had nothing to do withthat. Just, just problems. Did
you eat
sandwich problems
with the booze. So I was in alot of bands where there would
be a husband and wife fightingall the time. So many bands
who'd be a husband and wife bandthat was there too. They would

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hire the young dudes, and theywould be fighting like cats and
dogs, and you could feel thetension on stage. Oh yeah. What
would they fight about? Just,you know, marital thing that
sounds like spinal to take it tothe stage. Take it to the stage,
you
know, I gotta say, you know,looking at you in the video
monitors over here, Brian, ifyou ever wanted to pull off a

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Halloween costume, uh oh, AgentSmith from The Matrix, you could
totally do. Oh,
totally. You guys would be mad.I, I've only seen the first
matrix, and that's when it firstcame out. That's, that's all you
need to see. Okay, that is theother where
the other movies weren't bad.There's a
matrix. Revolutions The MatrixReloaded.
Well, reloaded was the second.Revolutions was the third. That

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girl that you know in the firstmovie, Carrie Anne moss and the
leather pants. Oh, my God, I'dlike to see what she's into
these days.
Sure she was in the last movie.Yeah,
they re heard that was bad. Ididn't see it. It was okay,
yeah, yeah. It wasn't exactly.Didn't have the same pizzazz.
Yeah, as the other movies,
women in leather. It's a greatthing,
you know, not enough Bazoom,yeah, she needed to fill it out.

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Jim likes him.
He likes some curvy,
but, yeah, that's, uh, I guess Ididn't get to helica. So that
was, that was my first
13 years of touring with butsome of the gigs got better.
Well,
after that i i stayed out there.I got picked up by another band
for about six weeks that wasn'tgoing anywhere. Actually, you

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like, there's one funny storyabout that. I got picked up by
this other band and said, We'regonna come pick you up. That's
wherever, wherever hotel I wasat. It's a van, old style van,
and it was a husband and wife.They were nice to eat. They
didn't fight, but their husbandwife, they were up in the front,
and just behind the seat therewas a piece of plywood like
this, for three guys, drummer,guitar player and now the new

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bass player, and the slidingdoor open, then it was all gear
behind that, yeah, and thesliding door opens and they're
all sitting on their butts likethis, with the legs straight out
to the back of the seats. And Ihad to get in the middle, and I
get in the middle, and I'm,like, they shut the door. We
had, like, about an 810, hourdrive to go, and they all

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everyone to start laying upcigarettes with the windows up.
Oh, that lasted about six weeks.
Oh, my god, yeah. Gag, you neversmoked. Never smoked.
No. And then then I went backhome, get another phone call,
same from the same club. Gave myname to these other people from
Ontario. Yeah. I go meet them atthe same restaurant, and I'm

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with them two days later,driving Ontario. And that that
worked out pretty good. Butafter a year that I was burning
out being out there, whatever,and on the way home, we were
doing our last trip, and I wasgetting ready to I was leaving
the band, and we were comingfrom British Columbia all the
way back to Ontario, with whichwas their home base, and then I
was going to go home. We madethe artist, she had bought a

(25:20):
van, really, really nice van,and but there was hauling a
trailer like you see on the backof the busses here. Yeah, and
just wasn't designed to pullthat. We made it all the way
where we cut down throughDetroit and come up through
Windsor to go to where she wasfrom, and the van starting to
break down. Oh, no. So I was inthe back of that van for the
last four or five hours with myhead on the back doors, my feet

(25:43):
up on the closet, and thedrummer was back there too, and
we were just hanging out there.The others were in the front,
and they said, we can get home.It's only two more hours home.
Let's let's putter this thinghome at 15 miles an hour. We can
get there. So I got back in thevan after I'd stretched, and I
switched around and put my headon the closet doors and my feet

(26:03):
on the back doors, which wassmart, because we started going
15 miles an hour, but thetractor trailer coming behind us
at about 80. Oh no, didn't seeus, and he hit us. He drove that
trailer. I remember seeing thetrailer came off the hitch and
went right through the backdoors, and I the hitch went,
right? I kind of folded like anaccordion, like in a split

(26:24):
second, hmm. And, yeah, so, my
God, you could have died, buddy.It's close. Michael, yeah. So
that's a lot of years ofunglamorous touring. So
unglamorous drawings. That'ssome of the first jobs I did in
Nashville. I reached out to adrummer named Lonnie Wilson, is
one of the most recordeddrummers you know him. And he
said, Hey, you know, it's notglamorous. But this girl that

(26:45):
does, she's like, you know, youplay in the band houses. You got
to drive out to Phoenix or inthe middle of nowhere, and you
stay there for, like, a coupleof weeks, and you're staying in
the band house, which is neverclean, and it's like, you're
going to get crabs from it. And,you know, it's,
I've got, I've got pictures ofthe there's some band houses
that I stayed in. I had theactual pictures where I took
pictures of the garbage that weleft as we were leaving. Yeah,

(27:07):
seven night, seven night, staywhatever left the garbage there,
and we'd go back there a monthlater, the garbage. And I told
the guys, I said, check it out.It's the same, same garbage.
That's horrible. You
guys aren't selling this verywell. It's
like the comedian band house,like, there's probably, like,
Zanies might have, like, maybe,like, a, you know, like, uh, a

(27:28):
comedian house. And
they're never clean. They'renever Oh no, no, no. I stayed in
like, old office buildings thatwere converted into band houses.
And
so when, you know, when you getyour gig with, you know, James
Bond, you or Kevin sharp, well,you're like, holy cow, this is
much better. Oh yeah, that storygets good too. Okay. Well, we
like,
well, it shaped your yourelement for gratitude, yeah.

(27:49):
Oh, absolutely. Because allthose gigs I was doing, all
those months like we wereloading in our gear, going up
and down in Canada, in the inthe winter time, going up and
down stairs with tough touring,old butterfly PA systems and
stuff like that.
But did you think to yourself,Man, this is just how it is, I
guess at that time, yeah.Because what the hell would I
get myself into? I dreamt ofNashville. But since

(28:12):
you're playing the bass andyou're gainfully employed, and
obviously you're a likableperson, because you just kept
getting gigs,
yeah, gainfully employee. I was,like, I said, making about 250
to 300
bucks a week out there. So whatwas the first Nashville gig you
got?
Well, so after I came home fromthat accident, stayed in, stayed
in Moncton for a brief period,went to college for a couple of

(28:34):
years. Oh, yeah, I met, I met a,there was a jazz band playing in
my town when I was off, and Iknew who the bass player was
that heard his name. His namewas skip back with he's passed
away a few years ago, but great,great guy out of Halifax, and he
was playing this jazz trio, so Iwent down to see it. Jazz wasn't
my thing, but take it for awalk, man, take it for a walk.

(28:55):
But he was so entertaining. Hewas one of the cool cats of jazz
kind of thing. And he we struckup a conversation. He says, What
are you doing these days? And Isaid, Really, nothing right now.
And he goes, Why don't you cometo school? Says, I'm the bass
prop there. I said, I wouldn'tbe able to get in. He goes,
Well, you're 22 maybe at thistime. He goes, Uh, just he says,

(29:15):
we're playing tomorrow. Come seeme. Bring me a packet of
everything about you. And twoweeks later I was in I was going
to college, got in there, got inthere. He well, he got me in
there. So were you like playingin the big band and stuff? Well,
here's the thing, there was nomusic when I went to elementary
school or high school, zeromusic was given. So I had, I

(29:36):
went in cold turkey. You're likeplaying by pure feel your
instrument? Yeah. So when I gotthere was a wake up call,
because all these kids werecoming out of different schools,
from Nova, Scotia and Ontariothat were coming there for this
jazz program. They had allstudied music. Some of these
kids were just ripping. I'mlike, What have I gotten myself
into?
Well, he saw something, and youinvited you to the program.

(29:56):
Yeah, he
liked me, and we became goodfriends when we were there. And
I got to meet, you know, I gotto be really close with a lot of
those guys. A lot of them havegone on to be teachers and some
of them performers. But I didtwo years. I was I signed up for
the four year program, but Ijust did two years because I was
still touring with differentbands and and then I worked with

(30:17):
a few more bands out of Halifax,worked with a blues band, and
then I went worked with thisother artist from Halifax. And
then when I was working with thearts from Halifax, we had done,
we were doing a telethon. It's aschedule, yeah, get my Canadian
action. When
Joey was wearing his tux and,you know, he wanted to be on
camera, don't you only say opena boat already. Get that out of

(30:39):
the way. It's a dead giveaway.So
who's Sorry, sorry, hey, but
so we went to do this telethon,but there was a few American
Acts there, yeah, so here'swhere the names might come in,
where you you'll recognize. Soone of the groups that were
there were a group called theMcCarter sisters. Do you
remember them at all? Yeah, ofcourse. So they were on this
telethon, and the guy that waskind of tour managing them at

(31:00):
that day was guy named KevinCrampton. Do you remember that
name at all? Drummer played withJody Messina when she just came
out. Okay, so we got to talkingand stuff, and he said, planning
and coming to Nashville. I said,I'd love to go there. I just, I
just haven't gotten there yet.So I said, Have you ever come
down and give me a call? Youknow, starting that kind of a
conversation. So I'm gettinghome and I'm going, Okay, I

(31:22):
gotta go. I gotta try to figureout a way to get there. And I
there was a friend of mine,Derek Earl, who was a guitar
player I played with. Hadn'tseen him in a few years. Heard
he was driving a truck. So Icalled. I got a hold of him, and
I said, Derek, I said, caught upfor a while. I said, Here you go
to Nashville. Sometimes he goes,Well, I used to years ago. I
used to go through there all thetime. Says, My latest routes

(31:43):
I've been doing for the pastcouple years I've been going. He
said, But if I ever do go backthrough there, he says, You're
welcome to come with me. I said,I can do that. He goes, Well, I
own my own truck. He says, I cantake whoever I want, nice. I'd
love that. So hung up the phone.Next couple of days, I got a
good call from a good drummerbuddy of mine, and he was
playing in a country band Ireally liked from my hometown,
and he said, we're looking for abass player. So I took the job.

(32:06):
That was in January of
1996 Yeah, and
the band was breaking up aroundSeptember, October, it was
breaking up, and here I ambroke. I don't know what I'm
gonna do. And then the phonebreaks. It's November. Phone
rings. It's Derek. He goes, Hey,man, I got good news and bad
news. Good news, I got a tripcoming up. I gotta take a load
of moose head beer to Atlanta,Georgia is then. I gotta go over

(32:30):
to Birmingham, pick up somechicken wings, bring back to
Toronto. And when I go that way,I'm going right 65 I didn't even
know what 65 was. Going 65 rightthrough Nashville. I said,
Great. I said, Can I still gowith you? He goes, That's the
bad news. He says, I have toleave in four hours. So I'm
like, and he lived an hour awayfrom me. Oh, no. So I'm like,
okay, get on the phone. I callKevin. I call those people. I

(32:52):
just need a couch to stay on fora couple weeks. This is a great
story, and this I finally threwa friend of a friend, one of the
most Patricia Conroy, you know,Patricia? Yeah, I was gonna say,
like, what are the country?Yeah, she made a few phone calls
for me. Found this girl who hada condo down in Antioch, had
four bedrooms, but they were alltaken. She goes, if you just

(33:13):
want to stay for a couple weeks,you know, I'll just charge you
50 bucks a week or something.Just crash on the couch. Nice.
All right? So I'm like, Oh yeah,okay, whatever. Yeah. So I said,
I'll call you back. So she callsme 20 minutes later, says, Can I
give you some advice? She goes,I can tell you're really unsure
and you're kind of nervous. Shegoes, if I can tell you
anything, she goes, if you don'tcome right now, the way you're

(33:34):
talking, she goes, you're nevercoming here. And I said, that's
all I had to hear. That's greatadvice. That was like, yeah. So
I, I packed a backpack, took onecrappy bass with me in the back
of the truck, and, well, how didthat girl know about the music
business and that thing ofcoming or not coming? She, well,
she was an aspiring singer atthe time because she owned

(33:54):
condos, and all the people thatwas staying in her condo, or,
like, there was engineer guy.There was a monitor guy, and the
other girl, I think, worked atBarbara orberson halfway house
for me, up and coming musicians.They were all, yeah, so I stayed
there for a couple weeks, and Inever went home. Oh, that's
great, man. And you, the thingis, decision was made because
you were your your balls were tothe wall. I mean, you had four

(34:19):
hours to do this or not? Yeah,
call my brother. I said, Willyou drive me to a place what's
called Sussex in New Brunswick,and pretty close to, well, not
too close. Did you come with,like, just your clothes on your
back? I just, I came with, like,a week's worth of clothes, my
God, and a guitar.
They are a self made man. 25years with Gary Allen. You're a
homeowner. You're wearing a verynice shirt. I mean, it's like

(34:42):
those glasses don't look cheap.I wasn't. I wasn't
wearing this shirt. When I leftthe house, my wife said, you
need shirts. Were you
wearing a Carhartt shirt bychance? No,
not a car. Jim's got them inevery color. I recommend them
highly. That's good. Rich lovesthem. I mean, their their
hoodies look very comfortable,but they're almost too. That.
Okay? They're
very stylish. Now, yeah, tellyou. Tractor Supply is very

(35:04):
posh. I like it, yeah, man,yeah. So
what was the first job he got,like, as far as like, like, was
Pam the first No, Kevin, thatKevin. Kevin guy called me up.
Said, if you're in town, hesays, This is the first week I'm
here. He says, I got a McCarthy,got a gig in Oh, hi or
something. Are you interested? Isaid, Yeah, it's kind of a laid
back like, right up my alleywas, like an acoustic kind of

(35:27):
country, really soft countrystuff. And so I went up there,
and on the gig, there was abluegrass musician named Chris
Jones, Andy Hull on drums, AndyHall
on drums. Who? Andy Hall, ourlast guest, Christopher Williams
was ended up subbing for Andy onthe Lee Greenwood gig. Oh, that

(35:49):
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That's crazy. The world getssmaller. How small it gets

(36:57):
because I heard a name on yourshow earlier, but so
I had a second gig with them,and
Chris Jones had asked me if Iwanted to join his bluegrass
band. He was looking forsomebody to play bluegrass. And
I said, Yeah, I played bluegrasswhen I was home. I'd love to do
that. So he goes, I also I getthis part time job. He says, at

(37:17):
brugers Bagels. Yes, Erica. Heknows brugers Bagels. And I
almost
went today, did you reallyalmost? But I said, You know
what? I don't need the bagel.Well,
I was given a piece of advicefrom I think it was either John
Colley or the or Colin Ray'sband. They'd come through my
hometown years before that.Yeah. I said, Have you ever
moved if you ever moved toNashville? They said, swallow

(37:38):
your pride. Get a decent dayjob, yeah, and I did. I said,
I'm not I'm not scared. I ain'tscared. So when Chris said, he
said, Not only does this guy paywell for a bagel shop, he lets
you make your own hours. Heknows we're musicians, he lets
you was it the one over there onFranklin Road? That one? Yep,
yeah, that's the one I was attoday.

(37:58):
And as soon as I started thatjob. They were like family
there, first of all. And thenChris started a Thursday night,
music night, mostly bluegrass,but music night, but songwriter.
It started getting bigger. Allthese big songwriters are coming
in. You're meeting
a lot of people at a lot ofpeople there, yeah,
I think because I, because I'ddone 13 years in Canada, like

(38:21):
just non stop. I,
I wasn't. I never played onBroadway.
He still to this day, you neverwent down there. Only time I
played Broadway is
with Gary. Did a couple showswith Gary, and I wasn't. I'm not
saying that in a bad way. I wentdown there to meet people and
stuff, but I thought, I'm gonna,I'm gonna try to do the day job

(38:42):
thing and work on the road. Andso far, it's worked out, you
know, yeah, well, I'm telling
you what. It's an amazing story.What is happening down there on
lower Broadway, crazy. I wentthere like, three weeks ago to
show some out of towners. Theyall want to go down there. Of
course, we got that, like, youknow, Japanese style, um, six

(39:03):
way walk, yeah, corner there.Like, you know what? I mean,
it's like, people like, Well,
that wasn't a similar when Imoved here, yeah, I wouldn't
have made a it was, it was like,think Jim from Rascal Flatts,
Jim Riley. He's like, a ghosttown down there. When I moved
here, there was four or fivebars. Maybe it was ghosted.
Now we have, like, bars orwhatever insane, but the bands

(39:23):
down there, they're like, it'sall technology. It's like, it's
like tracks and rolling kits andiPads and in air monitors, and
everyone's got this curatedplaylist, and that includes 90s,
2000s rock and roll. Yeah, yeah.And if it's really the only
country to really be just onthat corner is laylas and

(39:44):
Roberts. Yeah, right on thatcorner. Maybe a little at
Legends. But even still, it'slike, wow, yeah, I rarely go
down there, the metal band downthere that they have to play the
90s playbook. So we're talkinglike, Pearl Jam, sound garden,
like all the stuff. And they didit incredibly well. So what they
do is they had a book, they hada songbook, so they're playing

(40:05):
whatever they want. And then thetourists come up and they're
like, Hey, do you guys know suchand such? And they go, these are
the songs we know. So it'salmost like a menu. And then
besides each song, there was theprice to perform the song. Are
you $20 $40 $60 so you couldpay, wow, paid to request a song
a human jukebox.
You ever see the band that doeskaraoke, live karaoke? Sure you

(40:28):
seen that. We saw that at Mercylounge when we first moved here.
Yeah, yeah. And I always broughtthis guy up that loves singing,
like Bruce Dickinson from IronMaiden, yeah? And he had a
wandering eye, like a lazy eye,oh yeah. He'd have, like, you
know, that kind of Yeah, but hiseye would be like, chameleon
hunting and fishing.

(40:49):
I love chameleons,
not as much as octopus.
It's hunting and fishing. Thateye
that's horrible. Is he lookingat me. Maybe he is.
I mean, I mean, I was in theSPAS Maddox. And, I mean, if the
spasmatics, well, they stillexist. But, man, if they, if the
SPAS Maddox would play down onlower Broadway, I don't think

(41:11):
they do it. They do mostlyprivates, and then they have,
like, a weekly somewhere thatthey pack out, but they would
crush it down Well,
I mean, Steel Panther has tocome and play downtown. They've
never done that. I
see a hell of a show. Well, theywould probably play the Ryman or
assembly food hall. I don't
think they'd play some. I sawthe marathon. Music Works, yeah?

(41:32):
So that's more their
venue. That's where I saw them,yeah, East Side bowl when? Well,
you know, we had Eric Pritchardon, you know, and he's the
drummer for Megan Maroney. Andit turns out, like I met this
kid at at the Atlantic drumcollective, like, when he was,
like, 12 years old or something,and now he's Megan Maroney, is
band leader, and they'replaying. There's this brand new
venue in town called thepinnacle, and it's, I'm excited.

(41:53):
They're playing on April 8 andninth, or ninth and 10th, and
hopefully I'm gonna go see thekid play. You know? Yeah, pretty
crazy. He's
been on your show, yeah? Okay,sat right there.
It's crazy. Commit right now.And so he's gonna see him. No,
I am. I think it's gonna happen.I think he's gonna hopefully. I
think he's gonna come throughfor his his old friend. But you

(42:17):
know how it is, it's not everyband gets as many tickets as
they want. Like, I get away withmurder. I have a lot of people
come see our shows. He's like, Igotta check with my tour manager
and all that. You know, I like,I'm like, kid, I get it. Kid,
yeah,
I get, oh yeah, we get, we getthe stick with that, yeah, if I
been a long time since I'veasked anybody, but it's like, I
know the deal. Yeah. Say No, Idon't care.

(42:40):
But you know, you got to ask,yeah, Ask,
and you shall receive. You knowwhat? I mean, it's like, you
know, not always,
yeah, but every time I ask you,I give you the out.
Well, except when you know Ineed drum gear.
I think the, I mean, you're, Imean, you're gonna come see us
this year in Michigan, that wasat Pine at Pine knob for four
tickets, buddy. We've got two,we've got two nights at Pine
knob, the

(43:00):
full service next stage, onstage greets, hang out in the
Zen room. Use everybody. Just
don't Dick my drums. Okay,
don't Dick my drums. Dick, youknow, like in, like in a step
brothers, don't put your ballsin my drums. Yeah,
one day you just got upset aboutthat, once it's not gonna

(43:21):
happen. Okay, I haven't even gotthe famine, have I talking too
much?
How does, how do you get fromcrashing for $50 a week to
working with all these artists?So, yeah, you're at the fort.
Where am I? Oh, yeah. So, so theMcCarthy sisters, yes.
So the way I got the James BondAndy Hall. Andy hole. See, he

(43:41):
was playing with, he was playingwith, what Andy Hall's son? I'm
gonna rewind a little bit,because there's a name I forgot
to throw out. Yeah, I heard on.Here's George Lawrence. George
Lawrence, I were you first guy Imet the first week I was here. I
don't remember how I met him.Super. He says, Why don't you
come out with me meet somepeople, I said, so he took me

(44:02):
down to you'll remember the nameof this. So demumbrian, yep. At
the end of the street there wasa bar. Right at the very end was
a country bar, yep, and MikeKennedy was in the band, yes,
16th Avenue, something likethat. Hey. He took me. I said,
this is cool, because itreminded me of home, as all the
country got all the musiciansare hanging and jamming and

(44:23):
playing. That's where I firstheard Keith horn play. And I'm
like, again, what? What ishappening? Yeah, yeah, but, but
it didn't last very much longeranyway. So I hang out with
George for a little while, andhe goes, you've already got a
gig. I was doing the McCarthything, whatever it was, just,
you know, just a couple ofshows. But then Andy Hall had
started playing with Jamesbottom me, and they were looking
for a bass player. He said, callthis guy. I did a couple gigs

(44:45):
with him, nice and Andy wassuper cool to me because I still
didn't have a car in town. I wasstill new in town, no money, and
Andy would come pick me up forbus call and all that kind of
stuff. The first the first gig Ihad with Bonnie, I drove to
opera. Mine to meet the bus, andit's gonna be my first time on a
tour bus. I'd never been on atour bus. Yeah, and I'm waiting
there in the parking lot,waiting and waiting. And I don't

(45:06):
know if you remember there was aclub downtown, the happy
something, and they had, theyhad a Partridge Family bus. Do
you remember that the happy HaveA Nice Day Cafe, have a nice day
Cafe, and they had a PartridgeFamily bus? Do you remember that
bus? And just ironically, thetiming, that thing pulls around
the corner, and I'm like, that'snot about You're kidding me. And
then all of a sudden, you know,the privos comes behind. Was a

(45:28):
Silver Eagle, actually, thattime. But, yeah, what a great
band. That was a great band.Good bunch of guys. Bonham was
great. So played with him forabout a year, and then did about
a two year stint with Kevinsharp, yeah, Kevin sharp. Now,
Kevin passed, right? Kevinpassed a few years ago. Yeah,
yeah. I never got the full storyfrom the guys yet, but,

(45:52):
and then after sharp, that wasLee Turner, right
to Lee Turner, yeah, who's withDarius now, yeah, yeah, he's,
he's still there. He was, he wasthe band leader when I was
Kevin, yeah. So then after theKevin sharp thing was done, I
was sitting at home, back atbrugers, just filling in some
time, yeah, and I get a phonecall from Did you ever work with

(46:14):
Brian hinge cliff, yeah, youknow he had passed a few years
ago. He passed, but he called meup. He says, Brian, Brian.
Brian. He says, I double bookedmyself. Can you cover for me? I
said, Yeah. What? Yeah, it's onegig. I'll do it for you. It was
with clay Davidson, yeah. Bigguy, big, big guy, kind of
Southern, trying to bring backthe kind of like outlaw vibe.

(46:35):
Great. Singer, yes, powerhousesinger. And so I learned, I
learned the show they were, theywere going to be opening up for
Mark chestnut down in Biloxi,Mississippi, yeah. So I learned
the show Brian was off to do.I'll catch him or somebody, or
the kinleys or something. So Igo do this gig. And on the gig,
I knew the guy, some of the guysfrom chestnuts band, and they
said, This is all after Pam. I'mlosing my timeline. That's all

(46:59):
right, yeah. Because after aftersharp is when the PAM thing came
in. I got the phone call to goaudition for PAM, yeah, and I
was and I thought, I'm not gonnaget this gig. I said, just,
well, I just want to go say Idid it. No, that's all. So I
went to work that day brugers,because my my audition was a
five or six at night, and I wentto work and I left the same work
clothes on bagel doe all overme. And I walked in there, and

(47:24):
because I was last, she had togo. And we criss crossed each
other. She goes, You must beBrian. And I said, I am. She
goes, I gotta go. She's butthey're recording you and
everything. I'm gonna hear itlater on. I said, No, just good
luck in there. So I go in, andwhat a killer band. Kevin Adams,
Kevin James Pennebaker, JamesPenn guitar, Mike toppins, Mike

(47:45):
Topps, we didn't have Lana yet.Chicken, chicken, calm, chicken.
Yeah,
most, most steel players inNashville gym, they have to have
a nickname that is part of thebarnyard animal family. Steel
players only, yeah, glass. Steelplayers, yeah, they got they,
they have nicknames.
They'll they'll tell you they'rea different breed, chicken,
steel players, moose, yeah,

(48:07):
pig. What's your player to playother instruments, though, if
they really wanted to, ofcourse,
like, well, like our steelplayer can play a little bit of
banjo, acoustic guitar, bass,same as ours. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Man,
now with drummers, and drummersget the brunt of jokes and stuff
like that. Oh, I'm getting tothat. Well, I mean, bass players
do too. Oh, yeah, you know,because if you look at the chart

(48:30):
of girls to people in the bandratio, you know, typically, the
singers got two girls in eacharm. Tar players got a girl on
each arm, one girl. Drummers gotone girl on an arm, and bass
players by himself.
It really depends on who makesthe chart. It could be made by,

(48:56):
you know? It could be made by adoesn't
the the drummer leave with thegirl in the song Rosie by
Jackson Brown. You familiar
with that song? I'm not familiarwith that song. But also, like,
I mean, look at, you know, NeilYoung, Cinnamon Girl, the
drummer waits for his girl.She's a Cinnamon Girl, you
know? Yeah, we're one girl.People.
Did you guys watch the Bob Dylanmovie? The I started, I
started a show me. I startedlast night. Yeah? And the

(49:19):
internet kept going in and out,in and out. So not impressed. I
finally got, I finally got upsetand said, I'm gonna finish. Got
halfway through. You wereimpressed the movie,
yeah. Well, what about hisacting? It's a hard role to
tackle, and he passed. He'sprobably filming the dune movies
while he was doing it.
The guy, yeah? CharlotteCharlamagne,
oh. Timothy, yeah, that's right.Chalamet galamet,

(49:41):
yeah. I was, you know, I wasnever a big Dylan fan the
beginning,
you know. I mean, it's like,it's poetry, you know. But I
mean, it's interesting to seewith like Pete Seeger and those
other guys. They were passingthe baton, and they were, you
know, they were like, This isthe new, this is the new.
Learn the history what went on.I was never a big. Bob Dylan
today. So I thought, I'm, I wantto learn as much as I can, like

(50:04):
I didn't know that about muchabout John Baez,
yeah. They had a little tour oflove of Yeah, yeah. He
was, we saw them in Hartford,probably in the late 90s. He was
opening up for
Steel Panther. Anyways.
Paul Simon, okay, yeah, yeah,that guy's okay. And Paul Simon

(50:24):
was headlining, had gad ondrums. Oh yeah, Gad. But it was
literally like, when's he donethis? It was
a scene. Bob Zimmerman, that'swhen I saw, I guarantee
it, Gordon life, I
saw Gordon life, he also

(50:45):
runs the Men's Warehouse. Okay,okay. How's it go again? Yeah,
I guarantee it.
Hey, man, Men's Warehouse hasgotten my money. They've
China, yeah, you were calling meNordstrom, right? Nordstrom
Rack, right from rack,
yeah, man, I love siftingthrough that stuff, because
you're like, oh my god, AllSaints for a third off. Sign me

(51:05):
up. Then you have to wait onthat exorbitantly long line that
they're trying to get you to,like, buy candles and popcorn as
you're leaving.
Yeah? Food, yeah, all theimpulse items, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sorry, buddy interrupted. That'sso rude.
So
we're at the PAM story, right?So, yeah. So I got the call for
the PAM thing. I got the callactually the day my grandfather
passed away, Pennebaker calledme, I'm sorry, and he said I was

(51:30):
in Best Buy. I had to pick upsomething Best Buy. He goes, Oh,
you got the gig. I said, I gotthe gig like, and I didn't come
really prepared for that gig.But he said, No, you got the
gig. They liked your sound. Theyliked all this whatever. And I
said, Here's, I'm gonna give youthe name and number of the
drummer, rich Redmond. They sayit like that. Probably he would

(51:50):
have said it like rich Redmond,yes. Sorry, James, yeah. But
actually, Larry and JeffArmstrong I work with, yeah,
they've worked long time withJames. So small world. But yeah,
he said, I'm gonna give you thenumber so you can call him if
you guys want to get togetherbefore the rehearsals. And I
think I walked out the door andyou were already calling me. I
had the old Nakia phone with theantenna. Hold up the antenna and

(52:13):
you flip it. He used to make funof me about that. Well, it's
amazing. At least you knew when
you hung up the phone it was youhung up the phone.
Did he say? Oh, that a newphone.
He goes, dude, you need Rich islike, we're having lunch one day
downtown. He's, like, you need anew phone, and we gotta fix some
new glasses too. Remember, youhad these little, little black

(52:34):
glasses. They were like this,then, oh, what? Who the heck am
I to give advice
back then, gee, you're stillrocking the VO five moment at
that point. No, I What kind
of haircut that I had back then.It's probably just short. It's
really, really, really short,short and
Spike, yeah, yeah. Because whenI met you, you were, you were
doing the red Mohawk faux hawk,
yeah. Man, I've had purple andall that. So they used to make
the like a gel, like, like aproduct, but it was colored so

(52:58):
you could change the color ofyour your tips every, every day,
red, purple. I don't think
you're doing that when I wasthere. No, I don't think so. I
remember those glasses, becauseI said, Okay, where do I get
those? He said, I just got thema couple months ago. He says
they, they cost me 1200
bucks. I said, 12.
It was a piece I went to theoverpriced it's right next to

(53:22):
the record store image opticalon West End. Yes, it was the
most pricey bougie optical placein Nashville. And of course, the
sales lady was probably reallycute, and she was like, Well,
you know, we have a, you know,we have a program you could pay
them off or, like, you know,it's called layaway.
Yeah, I walked in there afteryou told me that, like, a few
weeks later, said, I'm gonna godown. Gonna go down there check

(53:43):
out some frames. I walked in andthere's one lady. She was busy
with somebody, and as she'swalking by me, she says, she
goes, I'll be with you in onesecond. And she pulled a pair of
glasses off and stuck them on myface. Those look great on you.
She kept walking like she justpicked a pair. Didn't even look
at them. Those look great onyou? Hard courses where rich

(54:04):
buys,
yeah, I don't think I would pay$1,200 for glasses. I because
after that I started probablygoing to like, lens crafters or
something like that. Yeah,
Costco, yeah, Costco, yeah. I'mTractor Supply. You can't get
glasses of Tractor Supply.
Love Costco. So we
had time. We had fun, man. Weplayed the wolf den. We played
some big festivals.
We got together, and you're atyour bedroom, and we Yeah, hey,

(54:28):
now rephrase that, yeah, but youwere living with Curt and Tully,
Yep, yeah, in Yeah.
Require this kind of music.
We lived on. We lived on 3309,quail run court in Donaldson,
tech, Donaldson, Tennessee, your
neighbors own the sitar, right?Restaurant. The next door

(54:51):
neighbors own sitar. Yeah, Iremember that, yeah. So what you
do in the bedroom?
We worked on the music.
Grab that cheer. It's. And thisis an old trope,
grab your pens, little bit ofpaper.
Oh no, no good. And we're notdigging this. I know it's good.
I remember we used to do this,um, in episode one through 25 of

(55:13):
the rich Redmond show. It's hardto bring it back and bring it
back in the year two in the year2020
was 2000 and we worked on me,Vita loca and shake the sugar
tree. And then, you know,
we played the opry a bit. Playedthe
opry a lot, because that was theyear she was being inducted, and
remembered
Vince Gill jumped up on stagewith us, and we worked on the

(55:34):
song backs backstage.
I really like that. Was a newalbum. She thunder
and roses. Thunder and Rose.
Really good. And, yeah, he cameout, and I was still, I'm a huge
Vince fan. And yeah, here he wascoming, came in the back
dressing room to rehearse oncewith us. Yeah, came out on
stage. We did that. And we dida, yeah, we did a lot of this,

(55:55):
like a bird
dude. So now he's a, he's like,a, he's like, doing Glenn fries
part, I believe in the Eagles.And they're playing, they're
doing a residency at the what'sthe thing in Vegas, though?
Sphere? Oh, they're doingsphere. So is Kenny Chesney.
They're doing a run at thesphere. That'll be you two. Was
doing that? No, it's been,YouTube's been doing it.

(56:16):
Nick booth is playing, yeah,okay, lucky to
do the sphere. Hopefully we'lldo it at some point. I mean, I
think it's going to become moreand more common for the for
bands to do it, but they'rejust, you know, getting the
creme de la creme bands like, Imean, the Eagles, you too.
Green Hill, dead, wow, yeah,man, yeah, yeah. Well,

(56:37):
we had a blast. But then howdoes the thing with Gary Allen
happen? It was so after, right?
So soon after, Pam, that's whenhinge Cliff called me, yeah, and
said, Can you cover for thisgig? And I said, I said, that's
one gig. It's a lot of lot ofstuff to learn. I said, but I'm
not doing anything. Of course, Iwanted to help him out, so I got
on the bus with those guys, andI was they all went to the back

(56:59):
of the bus. I stay up at thefront to keep working on the
material we do the gig inBiloxi, Mississippi. I knew a
couple of guys in chestnutsband, and they came up to me and
said, Are you not with Pamanymore? And I said, No, I'm not
with Pam anymore. They said. Andthen the bass player, Steve
Ledford, Steve led for Steve,yeah, man. He says, Uh. He says,
I think Gary Allen's auditioningin like, a couple of days, and I

(57:20):
said, Oh, okay, because I kindof know them. He says, You want
me to make a phone call? I said,Sure, yeah. So he went and he
called, he came back, he goes,they said they're full, or
they're this was a Saturday.They were auditioning. On
Monday, said they're full, butbecause I called, he said
they're going to take one more
nice that was me Steve led forwas always really so good man

(57:40):
about town, that was always liketrying to hook people up with
super good auditions. Isn't itfunny now that that 20 years
later, there are no auditions,it's mostly like people call
people and they go, you'reperfect for this. Are you
available? Yeah, there's arehearsal, and if you don't cut
the rehearsal, you're out. Butmost people are just the
professionalism is you know thatyou're gonna have to know the

(58:01):
material.
Knows when I play with when Iwent out to audition for Bonnie,
they took me right on the road.There's a few before me. It was
right out on the road, which Ithought was strange. Was like,
what if you don't do the firstnight, and you still got two
more nights to go? You knowwhat? I mean? Yeah, but sharp, I
had to audition for. Am Iauditioned for? But we still do

(58:21):
auditions. I guess mostly it'smore like just to meet the
person I when I call them up, Isay, I know you can play, I know
you're you know through I justknow you can play us the band
leader for Gary, but we want tomeet you. We will play a couple
of tunes, whatever, but we'regoing to go hang on the bus
after and we're going to get toknow you. Yeah, because that's
to us, the most important part,what are you going to be like on

(58:42):
the bus? On the bus?
Because that's the 23 hours. Youknow, the 24th hours is an
expectation. But another smallworldishness thing, and
something that we have in commonis that in before I got the odd
four, I think I even moved toNashville, or right after, I did
audition for Gary Allen, I thinkyou told me over at the woodshed

(59:04):
in East Nashville, which isprobably like a Bougie
restaurant. Now, is
that that two story building?Okay, that's where I edition for
Kevin sharp,
yes, and I and it was, what wasGary's record? Chrome plated
hard or broken hard somethingwas early on. Well, the first
one was used hard for sale. Usedher for sale. So that was his
traditional first record. I'mauditioning. I'm like, I think

(59:27):
my friend Craig flew in from,you know, Los Angeles. I saw
some familiar faces auditioning.Lee Kelly got the job. Oh,
Lee got that job. He was thedrummer when I when I started.
So I went, went in for myaudition. Lee was the drummer.
Super nice to me, yeah, just, Igot the jam with him. Gary was
doing some benefit for what'sthe guy that Lee plays with

(59:47):
named Kendall? Some Kendall, hewrote right where I need to be,
forgetting his name. But I wentdown there with Gary said, I'll
get up and jam with you, youknow. And Lee was playing drums
and just solid. Just, he said, Ihaven't played this in. Years. I
didn't believe this. Yeah, Ican't do my Lee Kelly
impersonation, but he just, man,he was, Well,
Lee Kelly has got a southernaccent. He does, yeah, yeah. You

(01:00:10):
know, we had him on the show,maybe, I don't know, 20 episodes
ago or something. Just so greatto catch up with him. But you
know, he's a lifer. You knowyou're a lifer, yeah? So when
you get the gig, you're not theband leader right away, but you
eventually become the bandleader. Gary
approached me somewhere up northand asked me if I wanted to do
and I'm
like, I don't know, what are myresponsibilities? Yeah.

(01:00:31):
He said, Well, if you don't takeit, I'm gonna give to somebody
else. I said, Okay, I'll give ita try. But as band leader, seems
like that
thing pretty much runs itself,right? You got to come up with
intros, outros, endings. Outros,
endings. No, everybody I have,when I said, when we go into
rehearsals, it's everybody,everybody has democratic
process. Yes, yeah, everybody'sdoing that. It's nice. So look

(01:00:53):
at these great drummers you'vehad. Seth Roush, Seth rush,
currently with Carrie Underwood,yeah, Matt Billingsley,
currently with Taylor Swift.Here he's doing well, yeah. Tim
Horsley, who had did some timewith Keith Urban, Tim was with
us forever. Tim was with usseven or eight years. Yeah,
and Dana, drum roll, timpani,live from Hollywood, California.

(01:01:17):
Larry bed now, now we're gonna,we're gonna, we're gonna totally
make Larry Babb blush, eventhough he will never listen to
this. Probably
very bad, very bad. Some nightshe has to set up my air drumming
set.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Larry Jim, Iwould love to have Larry Babb on
this show. Yes, he should. Idon't know if he would do it.

(01:01:39):
I'll bring him here. He is soshy. See when he sees this, he's
laughing already. He is so awe,shucks. And he is one of the
most underrated drummers in thiscity. He's a real he's a
monster. When I saw him playwith big and Rich, I was like
whole just, when did he playwith them? Crushing it.

(01:02:00):
He played with us for a while,left us to go play with, I
forget who it was. And then he,before he came back with us, he
did a stint with big and richagain.
He put the Wreckers. Maybe, didhe put the Wreckers or one of
those country alt girls, or itwas like a girl, it was a flavor
of the moment girl. She maybehad a couple of singles, but I

(01:02:20):
remember that. But I watched himplay side of stage with bigger
rich. I was like, This guy isowning
this Oh, when I Yeah, it was adifferent show than what we do.
And he was just like, Who's thatguy? Yeah.
And then when he it's like,larger than life, and then he
gets off the drums and and he'slike, Oh, shucks, you know,
don't, don't try to give him acompliment. Oh no, that's

(01:02:41):
kind of like you. You're an awshucks guy. There are a lot of
people that have been on latelythat have sung your praises,
because you spoke into theirlives in a positive you made a
positive impact. Per yourmantra, makes
such a positive impact, and Iincorporate him in my in my ear,
drumming show, okay, do it? Giveme a twirl? Well, it's not just
the twirl. It's the Lake

(01:03:02):
of the stick right lick. Let'sall do it.
I want to get some of your
you get all those kind ofnoises. Why aren't you doing an
album? Just those noises? I

(01:03:24):
because I've watched a few ofyour interviews with
drumming on the rich red shoe.I'm
usually doing metal, though,yeah, I gotta put on the show.
Oh, yeah. So,
like, like, 80s, sunset, strapmetal. Like, like, Well, my
first, my first go to is aCanadian rock band from the 80s.
All that he's not, you're notgonna get you're not gonna get

(01:03:47):
it. You're not
gonna get it.
Triumph, honeymoon suite. Well,that's a new go. I got a
new girl that's definitely onthe playlist. That's definitely
on the playlist. Dude I used toplay with the drummer out of
Halifax. He's not the originaldrummer. Original drummer of a
crate. And don't, yeah, playwith them for a while. I think
he played on the live album. Ithink, yeah, is hein? But yeah,

(01:04:10):
honey, they're still doing it.They're still doing it. You're
still doing it. My first, myfirst go to is a little band
called Coney hatch. You rememberthat? No,
no, I know Coney Island. I justConey
hatch, a little song calledMonkey Bars. Yeah,
yes, but what's the beat?
Just kind of like a, kind oflike the new girl now,

(01:04:31):
where you're always kind of likea closeted drummer, maybe, maybe
ever sit down to play it a kid?
When this starts to speak aftera show, yeah? When it speaks a
lot then, then the kind of inthe old days, I'm retired now,
yeah, drumming kind of retiring,yeah,
sat down, real drum. No, really,actually,

(01:04:51):
a few years ago, Gary had ownedkit, dw, kit, nice, my air
drumming kit is always a odds,Canadian, oh, Canadian, yeah.
That that'll be my favorite. Myfavorite ones were the, is it
Northfield? North
drums north
I just did the wood stick drumfestival outside of Seattle, and
one of the dudes had no Northkit. Are you serious? Billy

(01:05:14):
Willie, that I told you about myfriend? Yeah, you had one?
I yeah, I went to see BurtonCummings in concert years ago,
back in the early 80s, maybe,yeah, and his drummer had,
that's the first time I'd seenthat takes up a lot of space,
and I thought it was the coolestthing. Then I saw that cases for
him. Burton was playing hispiano, and I was doing
something. He was looking atsomething on the piano. I said,

(01:05:36):
I What is he doing? So I, I wasin the bowl section, so I walked
down, I could walk on the floor,and I went up there. And how
Canadian is it that he waswatching the Stanley Cup
playoffs on a little TV, on hispiano while he was doing the
concert?
Oh, my god, wow. Yeah. Well, soyou did play hockey for some
time, right?
12 to 13 years. I mean, you'reformerly youth,

(01:05:57):
and your youth, it's dangerous.I'm surprised you have all your
teeth.
I started when I was five inMassachusetts. Was a goalie.
That's a lot of pressure, man,goalies, goal, yep, what? But as
soon as I moved to Canada, Iwanted to be on the ice. So got
on the ice. I pretty much was adefenseman. Most of my when I
got, when I was getting to highschool, I was losing interest. I
was getting more into music, andI just, I was just losing the

(01:06:21):
interest of hockey, but I wantedto play at least one year high
school, and I did. These guysare getting really serious,
really serious. Yeah, very fast,and I was just my heart wasn't
there, so I finished after thatand didn't go back.
Are you still a fan rock? I'mnot a big, big fan. I follow
my dad is my dad's been waitingfor the Toronto Maple Leafs to
win the Stanley Cup. Think thelast time they won was like, 40

(01:06:44):
years or 60s or something.
Because did you realize youprobably don't know this about
me. We talk about athleticssometimes when we talk about
your speed skating career, andwhat else did you do? Wait
a second. I didn't know that.What's What's this now, I had
like, a one year of trying to govery fast around the ice.
Have you ever seen him rollerskate?
I think I saw a video onlinewhen I used to disco roller

(01:07:06):
skating. I'm pretty good. Yeah,okay, we're going, pretty good.
We're going, Dude, you're damngood. We're gonna
go to the skate center inBrentwood. We're gonna do some
roller derby, dude. The funnything is, is that we like, like,
I went Kara and I went to go tothe skate center, the Brent went
there, and we were thinking, youknow, it's gonna, they're gonna
be playing disco music, likemost skating players, yeah, but
they were playing like, youknow, Dua Lipa and, you know,

(01:07:29):
Kyle, you know, all the, I want
to hear
Bruno Mars, all that stuff,yeah, I, actually,
I played hockey, yeah, I did,but it was roller hockey. You're
from Connecticut, aren't you? Iam okay. So we played in a
Costco parking lot or Home Depotparking lot. What part of
Connecticut?
Danbury. Danbury, western side.My aunt and uncle live there

(01:07:50):
right now, and I'd have to lookin my phone. It's very close to
Danbury,
Brookfield, New Milford, noBethel, no Greenwich, Stamford,
reading. They
used to be in Stanford, butthere, I'll look it up before I
leave.
Yeah, but Waterbury, water, Ithink it's water. Yeah, it's
there the town halfway betweenDanbury and Hartford.
Yeah, they have the berries andthe ports, yes, okay, we have

(01:08:13):
the bills. Well, you had theHartford and the Hartford
Whalers back the Hartford whale,way back when, way back on the
water whale, the Carvel cake.Then we
had the Danbury trashers, whichwas run by James. He was owned
by James Galanti, who ranautomated waste disposal. Okay,
and apparently he was the model,as the lore goes for Tony

(01:08:38):
Soprano, really, his son is evennamed AJ.
There's a lot of Mafia in wastedisposal, oh yeah, because they
could dispose of a lot of thingsin that business. It's
funny. You say Tony sobrinoduring the pandemic, you know,
we're trying to find my wife,trying to find something to
watch. And she goes, Why don'twe start the surprise? I never
seen the sopranos really like,that's just too long. And I
said, Okay, let's watch it. It

(01:08:59):
holds up. Glad I did amazing,unbelievable.
It's funny, because thetechnology, yeah, it's dated.
That's what bothers me aboutwatching it, because when
they're dated like that, but itwas still, what
do you mean flip like the Yeah,pay phones, just this, you know,
it's not up. It's 20 some oddyears. What about six in the
city
she watched? I mean, yeah, I getsucked into that.

(01:09:21):
In the sopranos, there's, I wantto say it's a second season
where they're trying the FBI istrying to bug his house. And you
remember the song that theyplayed, the Peter Gunn police
mashup? I don't, I don't think,oh, but you've ever heard that
Peter Gunn, which

(01:09:45):
I'll be watching. Okay, I can'tremember
that. I'm gonna
look for it. Yeah, yeah. Jim'sgonna do his Joe Rogan, assist,
love it. Love it. Hey, get onthere, kid. Hey. Um, so. All
these drummers you've workedwith, um drummers, what is the
common thing that makes you wantto get on stage with with one of

(01:10:09):
these guys? Is it like a commonthing? Is it like their energy,
their their their groove? Is ittheir personality off the drums
or like, what are you lookingfor when you have to audition a
new drummer for Gary Allen,
I'm back in the oh, there it is.That

(01:10:33):
almost saved the question,right?
I found it Unit Five. Do avisual contact. You've never
heard this.
I've played this song a milliontimes.
Listen to this blend. It's oneof the one of the best mashups.
Yeah, you blend, your blend

(01:10:54):
unit one, approximately oneminute, you'll have the made
great Jetta, SC team, thelocation read, secure. You have
one hour and 30 minutes.
Wow. Perfect template, great.Yeah, and they say even with the
guitar, strum.
Oh, right. Maybe
I'll include this at my playlistwhen I start DJing for $10,000 a
pop.

(01:11:15):
That could be the Here comes thebride.
DJ, Redmond
is coming. Seriously, yeah,what's DJ? What does he want to
play? Well,
I'm only doing 50 shows a yearwith Aldi. I got six months to
go do weddings,
50 or 60 shows with Gary. Somaybe, maybe that we could do
the tag team. Yeah, dude,
if you can sell $10,000 DJwedding, I'll, I'll be your

(01:11:38):
assistant to help you set up.Okay, and I'll
only charge you $1,000 I'mtelling you, this is what these
guys are getting paid, dude, ifyou can make it happen, I'm
serious, I'll help you withthat. Nice. Yeah, I'll set
everything up, and you just showup and I'll be a roadie. Oh,
you're gonna be my the John Hallof my DJ equipment. All right, I
can totally do that. It'samazing. That's amazing. So, you
know what? You don't have toworry about the the drumming

(01:12:00):
question, because it's the wholething, it's like so they have to
be, they have to be affable,they have to be able to take
direction. They have to havegood time. They have to know the
material, like all that stuff,yeah. And they mostly have to be
a great hang. All these dudesare cool dudes. They're all
great, all great guys. It's thathang comes back to be the best

(01:12:20):
musician in the world. If youcan't, you can't live on that
bus. Yeah, you can't get along.What
does that mean? You can't get ifyou just know, just, you know,
how do you define that? And howdo you train somebody to be a
quote, good hang. Is it justinstinct? Is it just it can be
taught, you know? Well, what
some of the things are like,

(01:12:41):
Well, you've been with Tony andKurt all these years together.
It's
like a shared space, right? Soeveryone's like, you know,
everyone has to, like, share thespace, and someone's got to put
their butts somewhere. And then,you know, you, you throw your
trash away, you wipe thecounter, you know, you lift the
lid, you take your shoes and youput them next to your bunker,
under the bunk. We don't, wedon't do any of that, yeah?

(01:13:03):
Really, just kind of like beingtidy, you know? Yeah, it's just,
I'm trying to think of the bestway to say
it. But every every band has itsown culture. Every tour bus has
its own culture.
Oh, absolutely, every businesshas its own culture. The biggest
thing is, I speak on,

(01:13:23):
did you guys ever have to hiresomeone that he's just, like,
No, this ain't gonna work.There's
when we are trying to find
the jack character, Jack size,more, yeah, we went through many
people, yeah,
yeah, yeah. It's just, it'sjust, and sometimes, a lot of
times you make a mistake, like,there's a lot of good people out
there that we've had and justdifferent guys are like, No, I

(01:13:47):
don't think it's going to workout. And we just, you
know, but, but Jack was familiarwith you guys, especially the
core, because of Amy Daly andstuff like
that. I met Jack in 1998 becauseI played with his wife, Amy
dahli, and then I also saw Jackwith House of dreams on RCA with
Tom Hurst on drums, and BritainCameron singing. Tom played with
us for a short while, right? Oh,yeah. Tom

(01:14:09):
played with us. Yeah. Well, ifyou ever need another guy, man,
I'm coming out of hiding. I'm,
yeah, that's right. I'm bad. Ifeel bad that I didn't mention
Tom Hurst.
Oh, Tom's a great mention. JimMcCarthy, either
Jim, you're so busy you can't,you can't be gone. 150 days
a year is how much you guys areplaying. If you
do 50 shows, you might be goneas much as 120 days or something

(01:14:32):
with travel.
Well, my, my, I'm here toreplace you. Okay.
Oh, you got a hick down? Down,yeah, he's got it. He learned
kick down. Oh, yeah. Jim canplay naturally by feel like so
many things I can
remember. I only I memorized byhearing, yeah,
how many songs are you guysdoing in that's pretty much me?
Well, I can chart, but I butit's mostly from

(01:14:54):
you have to memorize to, justlike I do. Yeah, I'm a I'm an
audible, uh.
What's that? An audible
learner? Yeah? So, yeah, right,even when I memorized an entire
George Carlin bit and passed offas a college project one time,
wow. Love George, yeah. I meanthe nuances, the inflections,

(01:15:18):
the tempos, everything. When Istarted selling cars with
Mercurio, yeah, they wanted, youknow, it was one thing to sell
the car. You had to then convertto selling all the other stuff,
the mop and slop, the extendedwarranty, all that stuff. And I
didn't know how to really frameall that stuff. So I put my
phone in front of Mike, and Isaid, Give me your spiel. And he

(01:15:39):
sold, like, four products. Irecorded it. I listened to it
over and over.
I didn't know that Mike wasselling cars before he got into
the Yeah, financial I met aracket. Oh, okay,
yeah. He was one of the peoplethat was nice to me in the
business.
Jim has done a lot of thingsover there. I see that. Yeah.
What year did you move here? Oh,
five. I was in radio from 97 to13, which is how well you and I

(01:16:03):
met via MySpace because youwanted a voiceover lessons. Yep,
we never well, I've coached youin voiceover. I've never given
you a lesson.
No, I've never taken a lesson. Ijust tell him, Hey, I got a job.
And then he introduces me. Icoach him. Yeah, he'll be like,
go up on inflection.

(01:16:23):
Mainly, it's, it's Oh, forChrist's sake, rich, what? Just
say it like this, yeah,
yeah, yeah. And I'll do Oh, andthen I'll give him portion of my
profits. And then I go, Oh, God,
amazing. They're actually payingyou for this. You're
getting on the bus tonight.Getting on the bus

(01:16:45):
tonight. Yeah, yeah, going toGeorgia. I think we're in
Georgia. Tifton. Tifton,Florida. Georgia Line. Jelly
Roll in Florida. Nice fort.Lauderdale, oh, that's
gonna be crazy. Talk about adrummer, my goodness. Cody ash.
He's great.
Yeah, you did an interview withhim. Didn't, yeah, I think so,
yeah, yeah. I regret missing
that one, because that was oneof the that was probably the

(01:17:06):
ones I had to, I had somethingthat popped up, and you made it
a, just a, you a solo,
yeah? So zoom, zoom, via zoom.We like this in person thing.
It's just neat, because we'dsmell each other musk, you know,
we could really, it's great.Yeah, you got three cameras
going, right? It's an amazingthing. So how many dates this
year, buddy?
I think, I think we usually doabout 65 Yeah, that's a

(01:17:28):
comfortable thing for Gary. 65ish, yeah, yeah. You
know, I'm good for that. Yeah,you know, quarter million
dollars a year tell Larry,
which is tell Larry,
dude, say hi to Larry for me.And you know what, Jim and I,
we've got a date. Saturdaynight. We're going to the
mission cigars fifth anniversaryparty
where I went with you. Mission,yes. Mission cigar, I wish

(01:17:50):
you were there. I wish you werecoming. We
need to invite our friend Luis.Last
time I went to you know LuisEspaillat, I've never met him.
Oh my god, I've never met him.
He's like, you have to meetBrian, all
of our bass players here. Helives in
West Nashville, yeah, okay,okay. He's gonna drive out here
and smoke scars. He came out

(01:18:10):
and hung out with my wife and IOkay, because he came into the
room when, before we interviewedhim, and we kind of looked at
each other. He was he might havebeen earlier. Maybe we were
running late, yes, but I lookedright at him. Michael, stare
toes, yeah, yeah. I instantlylike them. Same thing with you.
I mean, it's like, oddly for thebass players,
you know, it's really great, isit? Well, air drum, everybody

(01:18:32):
that is in my life
is a good person. Everybody in
my life is a wonderful person.Oh, for the most part, you know
what? I mean, everybody that'sgetting invited on this show is
a wonderful person, because ifyou're not, you
ain't getting on the presentcompany.
Amazing. Hey, what's yourfavorite color? Favorite color?
Yeah, oh, probably green. Oh, mygosh, breaking the street. Nice.

(01:18:55):
A nice
yeah, we had a lot of blue,like, well, I'm wearing blue. We
only 20 blues. No, that's nice.That's a nice, deep, uh, indigo
blue, which is sexy. What aboutfood? Which are you and I have a
lot of tacos together. Butwhat's your favorite, uh, food
or dish?
I'm a big seafood I'm from thelobster capital of the world,

(01:19:16):
lobster roll, man, yeah, I'm abig seafood guy. Scallops. Love
it. Fried clams. I love friedclams now. Um, lobster, lobster.
Yeah, it's funny, because when Iwas born in Haverhill, I had the
accent because I was born there,and I went to school up to grade
two, and when I moved back, whenI moved to Canada, I got teased
because I was saying cat, and myfather and stuff like that, back

(01:19:39):
to cat. And I finally lost that,and I come here and they're
making fun of me for saying,Sorry,
sorry. How Canadians getanything done? Because all you
do is apologize. I was here
for like two weeks. I was atKroger on in Antioch. I had to
get stamps or something likethat. The girl said I got a
glove for a second. I think shehad these bathroom or something.
I'd be right. Actually put thebe back in five minute sign. Now

(01:20:03):
there's a lineup forming behindme, and there was an older lady,
three or four people back, andshe goes, is anybody here? And I
said, Oh, she she was. She justhad to go out and vote for a
second. And she goes,
you're Canadian. You're one ofthose. I'm already Canadians.
And I'm like, Are You Psychic?Or I had no idea. Like, hey,

(01:20:23):
you know what? I gotta go. I I'mgoing back to drumeo, which is,
um, I forget which province isvery west.
I believe that might be West. Iknow that you've been the
Sabian, which is a very right.That's my that's my province
over
on that. So anyways, I gotta goback to drumeo for the first
time in seven years. DoCanadians hate us right now or

(01:20:44):
museum? I can have a hard timegetting in getting out. I mean,
you're
gonna pull me in that you'regonna pull me in that debate. We
don't get political here.
Oh, sorry, that's right, that'sright. No politics. But anyways,
I hope I can get in and outquickly. But you know, I'm going
for work, which is, should be aproblem, and they're gonna give
me
all the relevant paperwork. Justsay, just say, you know me,
yeah, that's what I did. Youguys know the Arsenal family,

(01:21:05):
yeah, yeah. Biffa, yeah.
Just, just, you know, say,really rounded out words, hey.
So I haven't asked this in sometime, and it could stumble. You
could stumble on it. If youstumble, no problem, we'll move,
move on. But what's yourfavorite song of the moment or
all time. What's something thatyou will continually visit song

(01:21:26):
wise? Um, it's
not looking good, Jim. So it's atough question. What do you
think? What do you think I'mgonna say?
I mean, I'm I didn't get aroundto asking you your favorite
bands, so I would probably no
rush. Are you gonna say rush?Yeah, I'd have to say April, if
it was a song, April. Ryangrape, Barenaked Ladies. Great.

(01:21:48):
Another Yeah. Saw them in theirfirst year.
Big Bang Theory theme.
That's not true. BarenakedLadies, though. I'm gonna
stick Canadian. I'm gonna gowith the band. The weight.
Oh, wow. That is incredible. If
I'm driving, that song comes on.That's cranking. Robbie
Robertson, yeah, take a load of
dude. Incredible. Now, what'syour favorite film of all time,

(01:22:12):
or of the moment?
I like, geez, I like comedies. Ilove action. But if you said
favorite film. There's a filmthat I really like that. I
There's a film called, have youseen green book?
Oh, yeah, but the upright bassplayer with this upright bass
player, but Sebastian Maniscalcoin it? Yes, he

(01:22:34):
has a small part in it. Yeah,it's about. It's about. It's
actually true, based on truestories. Of course, Courtney's
mother knew the guy. That's anice film, really small world.
It's, it's a tugs at yourheartstrings and great, great,
great movie, great message aboutit, and everything. That's
credible movie. But I love beingtugged on my heart string. But I
love action, you know, like, Ilike the Jason Bourne series

(01:22:56):
totally. I love comedies. I likeany
kind of Jason, stay them.
Stay them. I Jason Statham.They're kind of all the same
movie,
they are. But, I mean, he justso good at doing, you know what
to expect?
Yeah, I'm a regular guy.
He's kind of like the John Wickstuff. I like the first one, but
then
I like the first one, yeah, butthen it got gratuitously
violent. I'm
a regular guy. You have a past,and I used to be really, you

(01:23:19):
know, into fighting and guns,and I just want to be left alone
and keep my bees. Is that theChristopher Walken? That's Jason
Statham. Oh, that state of medoing that. I don't know why he
sounds like this.
That's actually a horribleimpersonation, but there's a
cross between Trump and walking.I think he
definitely is walking. Okay, sothose are great. So your colors.

(01:23:40):
You got your green, you got yourWhat did you say for food?
Because it's seafood, friedclams. Dude that in Nashville,
good clam chowder. Doing goodyou gotta,
you gotta be up New England orup north, anything north. His
name is like Chinese. I loveChinese food, but the more north
you go, I don't know. Why
did I say drink. I think I knowit's

(01:24:02):
good little bourbon. Where do westart? Yeah, good. What he
brought I like, well, I likebourbon and like what? I like
Scotch in the wintertime, yeah.
Oh, you said scotch. You saidscotch, yeah. So Brian, it was
so sweet. He bought us a couplebottles of basil Hayden. They're
up there on the shelf, rightthere.
Yeah. So, getting back tochowder. Real quick. Chowder,
chowder. The last time my I hadsome New England Clam Chowder,

(01:24:23):
believe it or not, which wasamazing, Grand Central Terminal,
really? Yeah. Oh yeah. You
were telling me about that.Yeah. You know, I think a Grand
Central I think about the oldjoke about, hey, I'm gonna make
you clean the toilets at GrandCentral. You know what I mean?
Or probably in the 70s when itwas awful. Yeah, it's very
bougie, right?
Is it bougie? Now, nice. We were

(01:24:43):
there, uh, February of lastyear, and it was Courtney. Had a
lobster roll and I had, yeah, itwas like, just how I remember it
straight climb chatter, yep. Ithink the last climb chowder I
have was probably in thePortland Maine airport, or
something like that.
I just right, yeah. But did youget, is it good pizza in Boston?
Yeah, I love the that's
my favorite pizza in Boston.Really,

(01:25:03):
I don't know why. Why is it kindof like New York style with a
thin slicers? Yes.
Okay, yes. And I just don't knowwhat it is, and I can't find
anywhere here that duplicatesit. Hey,
New York pizza. You can't findNew York. I mean, Nellies and
Joey's, when they first opened,Nellies very first opened it,
not so much. Now they've changedit. Frankie's is good. Where's

(01:25:25):
frank it's next to Home Depot.It's like, just on the other
side of where Nellies is. We gotto go to Frankie. Okay, yeah,
okay. Sal's isn't bad. Salvoshere,
yeah, because we have two orthree sales locations in
Nashville. But out here thesalvo we've got salvos, which, I
think it's the same company
in the same Plaza as themission.
What's the place downtown thatclosed last year that everybody

(01:25:47):
was going to?
Oh, Joey's. Joey's closed. Theyused to closed up shop, and,
believe it or not, they hung asign on the door. Didn't tell
anybody that they were doing.They just wanted to. They were
just done. You know, they put asign on the door, and, like,
everybody was pissed, like, tothe point where the news
channels came out. Thank you for20 years pretty much. Yeah,

(01:26:08):
we're done. But now they have aplace out in Murfreesboro. Oh,
I'm gonna screw it up. Emerald,it's like, the Maka Bella, it's
like, it's an event space, yeah.And they actually will cater
nice Joey's house of pizza,really? Yeah? Okay, I had that
family on my podcast, thoseMacca family.
Oh, did you really, yeah? I onlygreat people. I went there once,

(01:26:30):
maybe twice, and they said,Well, wait, we go in there. And
it was just like, it's
entertaining, entertaining. It'sentertainment because, I mean,
literally, the mom will betaking the orders. Crescenza,
yeah. And the daughter is, youknow, like, Paul the second,
fourth, unbelievable. And like,you know, the you come in, like,
what'd you get out on here? Hey,honey, what do you want? What

(01:26:51):
would you like? Oh, yeah, it'salive. You remember going there
in Brentwood. It's got a lot ofcharacter. Remember? Yeah, you
gotta take your pills and we goget some pizza.
Yeah, gotta take my lactates. Ikeep that lab in business.
Buddy, tell you what you got anyfood allergies? Are you just
great? You got an Iron Stomach?
No. Allen, no, not. That'sgreat. You know what? My
allergies were bad when I was inCanada, when I moved down here,

(01:27:12):
yeah, they all went away, nicesomeone, someone told me, they
said, Give that a little while.And I said, whatever. And about
four or five years later, it'snot as bad as it used to be, but
a little bit came back. So Ithink, I think May and November,
my May is my worst month. Itchyeyes. Oh yeah, guys, make great.
What is the Who are yourfavorite bait? Like, what got
you to pick up the bass? Who areyour favorite bass players?

(01:27:36):
I remember the first time. Youknow what? I remember the first
time I picked up the bass, buddyof mine. We were just teenagers,
got a call to go audition forthis little country band, just a
female singer and her drummerbuddy, and He, God love him. He
didn't know how to play that. Hewas great guitar player. He
really didn't know how to playbass. But he said, Will you go
over with me? Says, I'm gonnatry this out. Sure. So I went

(01:27:57):
over there and he should I wishI had this base. To this day,
she had a base. It was like aSears thing, stranger, like two
to three inches off the neck.And when I had learned a guitar,
I learned I didn't like playingwith a pick. I always played
with my fingers, finger style,but I would listen to the
country tunes, and I'd pick up alittle bit of the bass lines,
you know, just simple stuff.Anyway, he as my friend I say,

(01:28:21):
long story short, and my friendGlenn Cunningham would say,
You're too late. So Steve triedto play bass. He auditioned for
this gig, whatever. And there'slike, he's he stopped. He said,
this, this is not going well. Hesays, I can't do this. And she's
like, she's all cool, whatever.So we're leaving. And he sees
this, 1950s Les Paul, originalLes Paul in the corner. And he

(01:28:45):
goes, whose is that? She says,My dad got me that for my
birthday a few years ago. Ireally never played. He goes,
Can I try it? Because Go ahead.So he picks it up. He gets the
guitar. She goes, I was going tohire guitar player anyway. She
goes, I didn't know you can playguitar. And she looks at me. She
goes, Do you play bass? And Isaid, not really, but I'll try
it. So I picked it up and Iplayed root, just root fifth,

(01:29:07):
and just those little pickuplines. We started the band right
then and there. Nice the nextday, we were all excited. Just
teenagers, we go in the next dayto learn 30 or 40 songs just to
make a set. And didn't I findthe we had the recorder play
recording those old tapes, wehit play and record. And didn't
I find that tape in my attic?Oh, my God, you gotta use that

(01:29:30):
to a digital format. It alreadyis, yeah, that's incredible,
yeah. So it's comical, you know,yes, yeah. But anyway, yeah. As
time went on, I startedlistening to, oh, well, I was
getting into rock a little bit,you know, being in Canada, I saw
all the Canadian bands. Yeah,they all came to the Coliseum
down the street. I remembergoing to see the lover boy, and

(01:29:51):
they had this opening act. Wenever really paid attention the
opening acts. Never knew thenames. So we were there. I'm
just three, three deep at thefront row with my friends,
whatever. You know. And we'rewaiting for this opening act,
the band comes out, and they'rejamming. I'm like, where's the
singer? And all of a sudden thisguy comes through us, pushing us
like we're thinking, he's tryingto get to the front of the
stage, like he's trying to getto the stage. He was trying to

(01:30:12):
get to the stage. There's ayoung guy named Brian Adams, 18
or whatever. He got up there,and he blew us away, still doing
it, still doing it, stillsinging the same key, but he got
up there. So lover boy, stoptrying. From their heyday when
they had laser light shows was,yeah, I've never saw rush. Never
saw rush living. How can you bea bass player? I know never saw

(01:30:35):
rush. I did go see I did go seehim. Get it. Oh, he's right,
yeah, he's right. But I did gosee giddy Lee was doing a book
signing a couple years agodowntown, at that basement. So I
thought I bought the book, thisbeautiful book of all these
bases he's collected. And I wentdown there because he was going
to sign, he's going to do alittle speaking thing, whatever,
and he was going to sign thebooks. So I go down there not

(01:30:57):
thinking to myself, what's,what's the new base? The big
one, that's the base, basementeast. That's east, right, yeah,
what's the original one? Calledjust the basement of the
basement? Yep, just the base.And then Grimes was upstairs.
Okay, so I go to the basementEast. I when I had to park like,
10 blocks away, I thought, Uhoh, this is probably going to be
packed. This place was superpacked. And then he gets up

(01:31:20):
there to do a little bit of aquestion and answer with two of
his producers, or whatever, andthen they started asking
questions. And it reminded meof, did you ever see the SNL
skit where William Shatner comesout to the it's all the Star
Trek nerds, whatever,
and they're asking guys, youneed to move on. Have you ever
kissed a girl so

(01:31:42):
so these people are saying, theone lady, God love her. She gets
up, she goes. So my 12 year oldson is learning to play the
bass. Do you have any any advicefor him? And, you know, get his
like this with his, get theglasses. Dad's like practice.
He's just, he couldn't have beenany more enthused that now that
night, anyway, he he goes tosign the books, and they start a

(01:32:03):
lineup, and I'm way at the backbecause I didn't want to be up.
I'm way at the back wall, yeah.And I thought this is probably
going to take an hour, fourhours later, oh my gosh. I like,
I wanted to get that book sign.That's what I was there for,
like, so I go up there. Ifinally get up there, he's like,
What do you want? Cat? Canimagine how tired he is just

(01:32:24):
signing these books. Yeah. And Isaid, Hey, Gideon from, I'm from
Moncton, New Brunswick. I said,big, big, big fan, whatever. And
he's just and he's writing andhe's writing and he's writing,
and I'm thinking, He's man, he'swriting a book for me, whatever.
And it passes the book backover. Says, Thank you, whatever.

(01:32:44):
And I'm scooted out whatever. Iwalk all the way back to my car,
10 blocks, where I get in there,I open this up to read it, and
it says, Thanks, Brian. No way.That's all. It's wanted to
keep making it look like you, Idon't know. Yeah, thanks, Brian.
He's
kind of a jokester, but I mean,four hours of signing books, Oh,

(01:33:06):
I get it torture. Oh,absolutely,
did he hide it? He made it looklike he was writing all this
stuff. And then he just, I
couldn't see that, like where hewas. I just could see that his
hand was going like this. Ithought he's writing a book
there, or whatever. And then itwas, I should have brought the
book to show you. It just saysthanks. Brian had a little
smiley face. That's amazing. Andthen they used to play less than

(01:33:26):
a mile down from where I grewup, at a was a French college
down there. They played the whatthey had the first drummer,
John. John was
the first drummer, working man,rutsy, run, see,
he went on. He went
on, he went to be a bodybuilder.Oh, really, yes, like Joe Pisco.
Oh, really. And, you know, butit's funny. It's like, does he

(01:33:47):
kick himself for not seeing itthrough the Pete Best? Would
they have been? Would they havebeen as big without Neil? I
doubt it. Oh,
I doubt it. I always tease.Hilarious. I'm more of a ROTC
guy. Does Larry? Oh yeah, Ithink that's what he first. I
could be wrong, but I thinkLarry's bacon, like, like, one

(01:34:11):
of my favorite bass players isJimmy Johnson, and plays with
Lee Sklar, plays with JamesTaylor, yeah, and I had no idea,
because I don't follow themusic. Larry falls, but Fleming
the BBs, I think is okay. Andthe James is cool. And so he
introduced me to that when Itold him I like Jimmy Johnson,
and Larry listens to a lot ofthat stuff. Yeah, yeah. He'll be
on the plane. What are youwriting? Charting out some drum

(01:34:34):
thing, and there's no white lefton the paper. It's just all
black, all black.
That's amazing. I got, we haveto get Larry on the show. I
mean, you have to, oh my God,he's just such a well, he's just
such a good drummer. Can
I? Can I be on two at the sametime? I'll just sit there and
not say a word, sit right there.Yeah, they got the third chair.
I'll be right there. Yeah. Well,because he's shy, he's super shy
bringing up. I'll bring two orthree more of those bottles.

(01:34:57):
He's, he's super shy. I'll makeit even better. I'll play. Air
drums.
Have him sing it, and then youplay the air drums. You guys
must have a super fun bus. Buthey, I was gonna tell you
tomorrow. I got a tracking dayover at my friend Tony Morris.
You know Tony was on the show.He's the first guy in Nashville
to float the floors and put astudio in his garage. It sounds

(01:35:17):
like the power station in NewYork. It's incredible. So I'm
doing four tracks for a singersongwriter, kind of a rock, rock
and roll kind of a thing. LeeSklar is gonna play big. Get out
of here? Yeah, he's heretomorrow. No, he lives in
Pasadena, so my I'll be trackingin Franklin. Then we'll take my
drumming and turn it into littleones and zeros and send it over

(01:35:37):
the internet. Waves.
You asked me a favor. Lee was myfirst inspiration, right?
Lee was the stuff on CaroleKing's tapestry, anything
he's done, like running on emptyby Jackson Browne is like one of
my top five albums, and he'sjust anything he does. I got to
meet him briefly. He was playingnice as God. He was doing a show

(01:35:59):
with Harry Shearer's wife,forgetting her name, right?
Harry Shearer, Harry Shearer'swife, yeah, final tap, right?
Yeah. She's a great pianoplayer. And he was just, it's
just the two of them. Just thetwo. I need some drums. Yeah,
that's one of my favorites. Butyeah, he played there. He's so
smooth. And then when JimmyJohnson took over his spot, and

(01:36:21):
James Taylor is just, just thebands with Steve Gadd. And I
remember going to see JamesTaylor at TPACK, and I didn't
know who the drummer was. I'mlike, Who's this guy? I was
expecting. Steve Jordan had beenfilling in for a while, and I
thought Jordan was going to bethere, or this is what James
Taylor, or gad Yeah. And I waslike, Who's that guy? I didn't

(01:36:42):
know it was Keith Carlock, yeah.And I had no idea who he was. I
went to school with Keith. Iknew he would change. He killed
it. He killed it that night.Killed it.
He lives in Franklin, Tennessee.I never see him, Keith, what's
up? We keep I've asked him to beon the show. He's and I got him
at a particular time when hewas, like, taking a break from
media right now. I'm like,That's mad respect, man. Wow.

(01:37:04):
You know, you know me. Ifsomebody asked me to be on a
podcast, I'm like, when youknow, yeah, yeah. Well, that
being said, rich, can I get youon my podcast? Oh, I was my
third appearance, right
second. So I make sure that theangle is good. Last time it was
bad, I looked like I I lookedlike I had eaten, you know, 12
pizzas.
That's exactly what I wasthinking. You're

(01:37:26):
not gonna get chance rich looksso
freaking fast
this angle. Oh, my God. Hey. So
when I asked for a little, justsome bullet points on you,
you're like, ain't no Wiki onme. You're so funny. But if,
what if somebody wants to like aWikipedia. What if somebody
wants to get in touch with you?What's the best way?
I'm very private, nobody. I lovethat about

(01:37:48):
I still have my my so I nevergot rid of the social media
pages because, like, I thought,if I get rid of Facebook, I
think a lot of people still geta hold you through messenger,
like they sure do. They don'tknow how well. So I kept
Facebook for that nice I stillhave my Instagram account, but
then I get on there in time. Areyou a
is it a quirky name, like Brianplays bass, or is it just, I

(01:38:11):
think
it's BFA?
I don't even know you know thatterrible. So
you know what'll happen if youtype in your name into the
Google Nader, Brian Arsenaultbase, all your social pages will
come up. Oh, really,
I actually did that, yeah, andit's kind of cool. What's it
say, Jessica? Because one of thepictures you look like Chris
Evans,

(01:38:32):
who's that? I'll bitch. It'scool. Marvel, yeah, capital
America,
I know why you got the PAM job.Why? And not only a great bass
player, great hang but sheprobably thought you were
handsome, so
she was the high cheek bonesman. She's cute. Yeah,
we got some good stories onthose days, but probably can't
tell them. James Lana, oh yeah,chicken, you know, there's

(01:38:53):
there. Can I tell one goodplease.
Was she a nice person?
Pam is a new nice boss, and sheknew what she wanted, and she
would not stop until she got
why can't we get? Well, let'sget her on. That's such a big
part of your history. Yeah,
yeah, I want to be there again.Yeah. Now we were, we were doing
a gig with Pam. We were going toCalifornia. Yeah, we were at the
National Airport, and it wasbusy that day, and me, and me

(01:39:16):
and Richard, just two youngguys, just all excited. We're
sitting there with our backs ofthe window, like waiting for the
plane, whatever busy. And JamesPennebaker, our tour manager, he
was, he had his briefcase, andhe had to go to the bathroom.
And he goes, Hey guys, watch mybriefcase. I gotta go to the
bathroom. You see where this isgoing. Watch my briefcase. We're

(01:39:37):
going to the bathroom. And so meand rich, we board the plane,
we're sitting together, we'restill partying and stuff. We're
just being crazy, and we'relike, where is James?
Everybody's on the plane, andhere he comes. He's coming down
the aisle, and he's just glaringat us. And Rich is looking at
me, going, what's wrong? What'swrong with him? But why was he
looking at us like that? And hecomes up to us, and. Course.

(01:40:00):
We'd left his briefcase sittingthere in the airport, and he had
all the all
the money, all the cash, tons ofcash. We just left it there. We
just left his briefcase full ofmoney, his laptop, everything
just sitting there.
Could tell you the time we're inSeattle and rich ordered the all
you could eat sushi for thetable. And everybody said, Who

(01:40:23):
ordered all that? And because itwas like, what you don't eat,
you have to pay for you have topay for us what the sign said.
So it was Lana and James and me.I didn't even eat sushi at the
time, and Lana and James said,I'm not paying for that. And
Rich, I mean, there must havebeen
25 rolls there

(01:40:43):
Rich. Rich started eating and
eating and eating. He startedhiding stuff under ashtrays, in
flower pots, everything. And theguy is amazing. The girl came
over and said, and you said,Ma'am, there's still half. You
said, she looks at him, he looksat her and says, I just, I
didn't know about the sizes. Ijust, I just can't eat all this

(01:41:05):
stuff. She goes, Oh, we just putthat up there. She goes, You
don't pay for that.
Are you serious? But that's thething, is that you didn't.
They're talking about the stuffthat's still left in the, you
know, the sneeze guard area. Oh,maybe, okay, that's a joke. You
didn't, you didn't get that whathe was purple. If you, if you,
you order all you can eat, youyou're gonna pay for what you

(01:41:27):
don't eat. So that's all. It's ajoke. It's like, Haha, because
it's all left in a buffet.
You, I thought it was, they wereserious. You were purple. You
were you were turning purple andblue,
not green.
Oh, there was a game. It was aday off. It was a day
it was a day off. Yeah, I caneat like that. Before a show, I
started eating sushi. Afterthat, I had a few pieces,

(01:41:48):
yeah, after that, was introducedto mercury poisoning, I
could not decide what to eattoday. It was like I I did my
fast, and then I was today, Iwas ready to eat, so I drove by
brugers. I drove by Pete sushi.I couldn't decide, do I want
sushi? Do I want eggs on abagel? I ended up with third
watch with, like, eating a bunchof eggs and first watches.

(01:42:10):
What's that? First watch? ThirdWatch, first watch, first watch.
Third Watch is a televisionshow. Sorry, it's a it's a
police procedural. Is it thirdone? Okay? I think that's so
funny. I can't remember third orfourth, third or first even say
second watch, the third watch isa television show. Is it? It was

(01:42:35):
like, about 15 years ago, okay?It was like, the life of a
police
officer is Los Angeles. Wehaven't even been on a second
glass.
Well, you know what? I know?Okay, so everybody you know look
up Brian Arsenal on theinternet. It's a r, s, e n, a,
U, L, T. I love reminiscing downthe memory. Congratulations on

(01:42:55):
all your success. I'm superhappy for you. You're a bass
player. That is a homeowner. Youand I can go smoke cigars at the
mission. We have a great time.Jim wasn't this fun. It was.
It's not. It's fun catching upwith an old friend and then just
being happy for their success. Imean, this is a tough business
man,
when I get the job as theirdrummer,

(01:43:18):
Jim is out there. He's doing,but he just doesn't have the
time family claiming. Man, huh?I name it and claim it. Well, he
does, yeah, that's how he gotthis, Huey. That's Huey. It's
what you got to do. I met
the guy from the Huey band, andI said, I'm going to be your
drummer. Just accept it now.Yeah, which Resistance is
futile? Which guy was that?Well, he was, he's, I mean,
these are guys that, you know,have day jobs and stuff like
that, the tribute band. So heowns a flooring company here

(01:43:41):
locally, but the band is basedout of California, and his
brother is the Huey
Roger. Hey, maybe, maybe when Ipull the carpets out of my
house, I could hire him to dothe floors. Yeah, you
Ben that you're playing with isbased out of California, yeah.
Oh, wow. And they
play all over the country.They've got different, you know,
segments of musicians in partsof the country. Life's gonna be

(01:44:03):
the Spring Hill drummer. Mybrother is gonna be playing with
them as well.
Yeah, amazing, yeah, I think
huey's guitar player. Son livesnext to our steel player. Up in
Hendersonville. There
is somebody,
maybe no one of the guys whenthey played the Franklin
theater. Sean the keyboardplayer, yeah. Sean, that guy,

(01:44:29):
yeah. He was at the show. Huey'skeyboard player,
okay, well, Jim, we're justhappy you have this outlet, man,
because you work so hard. Youknow, 20 podcasts. Yeah, it's a
lot going on. Brian, thanksbuddy. Yeah, I appreciate you.
Thank you guys for having me. Iappreciate the thing. Oh, it's
so exciting. People are lookingat the list of who you're a
great storyteller. You know,I've got more. You got more. I

(01:44:52):
love it. He's a great story.Jim, thanks for your time and
tell us and to all thelisteners, we sure do appreciate
it. Be sure to subscribe, share,rate and review. And so many of
you have been going to Applepodcasts and leaving us a five
star rating and leaving us anice review. So thank you. We do
appreciate it, and we'll see younext time. Thanks. Brian, thank
you. Thanks, Jim,

(01:45:12):
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