Combining Touring and Creative Hustle: Jonathan Bostwick's Nashville Experience :: Ep 220 The Rich Redmond Show

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What, how did you perceive wearing glove? I would

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never wear gloves. I hope itdoesn't anyone in here. If you
guys work gloves, I do from timeto time. I would rather just
lose cows and rebuild them. AndI would never
want to do it, but helps yourgrip better. I what I when I do
it is during the I don't reallydrop sticks, though colder
months, in the colder months,your my skin will split. Mine

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does that? That's, oh yeah, minesplits really bad. Then I'll put
the
Johnny, and I carry tons and newskin around. So, yeah. So we'll
put the hydrogen peroxide inthere to clean it. Then we put
on layers and layers of newskin. I might even gaff tape
that up. And then I'll throw onthe Zildjian glove on my left

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hand. This is the rich Redmondshow. Hey,
what part of town Do you livein? Man, I'm living in
Donaldson. Nice, Donaldson
and hermitage is whereeverybody, yeah, starts, you
know, and then sometimes they'llget away from there, but yeah,

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we'll just ride it out. Man,I've
kind of lived all over theplace, though, you know, just
uh, pretty much every part oftown. I think it's nice to be by
the airport. Honestly, that waslike half the reason I'm like,
Man, six minutes from theairport is saves a lot of time
and money, honestly, the amountyou fly. But what's
the weirdest smell you've eversmelled? The
well smell? Ever smell well?John and I have been on a lot of

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tour busses, so honestly,
our everyone in my band,they're, they're pretty clean,
like, there's no bat. We don'thave any weird smells or
anything.
A bunch of metrosexuals on therejust covered in Dolce and
Gabbana. What?
Honestly, no, everyone's justclean.
Oh, let's go clean deodorant.And, yeah,
what? Just takes care of them.So honestly, the it's the worst
smell I've ever smelled, andI'll never forget is when I was

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Uber driving in Nashville. Oh,my God, it's the, yeah, the
first couple years pretty rough.It was the smell of drunk people
in my car. Oh, 3am that breath,and that's alcohol smell, just
soaked in alcohol. Yeah, it justsmells like Broadway. And I'm
just like, I could never getover that smell. So, get
this, it was the other day I gotpicked up with my Uber to the

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airport. And, you know, Iordered it the night before.
It's one of those ungodly pickuptimes like 445 in the morning.
So this guy is on time. Youknow, I treated myself. Got a
little black car, so there's alittle bit of extra space. He
shows up. I didn't really noticeany smell or anything. But then
halfway through the ride, hegoes, everything should be
great. Back there, I scrubbedand cleaned and sprayed, but

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someone threw up, like, an hourago, and right where I'm
sitting, like, right where he'slike, Yeah, I'm sorry, bro. I
was like, Why didn't you tell meahead of time? Well, I thought
you might not take the trip.And, yeah, why wouldn't? Why
would you tell me? Anyway, heshould have just, like, don't
tell you. Plus they make, like,300
bucks from that so they canjust, I know, take, take a day.
Yeah, I
know a lot of you know Uberdrivers. I, for whatever reason,

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I prefer Lyft. I like thebranding. I like the color. It
just seems like the companyculture is, did you drive for
both?
No, I just did. I did Uberbecause I didn't want to answer
to a boss or do a nine to five.I just wanted to make my my
rent, yeah, practice or dowhatever. It
was pretty smooth working forthat corporation because it's
faceless and it's hard to getanybody on the phone at,
yeah, it's weird, honestly. AndI never contacted it. It's it.

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When I did it, it was very earlyin Nashville, so you barely had
to, like, register. It was kindof sketchy, yeah. But there were
no, like, Uber lanes. It was waybefore COVID, you know, and all
that stuff so, and it was crazytoo. At one point I was just
like, Man, I just like, so Idipped that after about two
years of doing it, yeah, but itwas, like, the only time I would

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just go out and do nights. Didyou do Uber Eats? No, I never
really thought about that kindof wish I did at that point, you
know. But, uh, yeah, I just, Ijust did it, you know, just got
the new waiting tables, like,because I waited tables, I
parked cars, i i made copies. Idid, like, construction. I mean,
you do these things, you know,so, and that's the new version
of it, because it's totallyflexible. You could work

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whenever you feel like it. That
was me. I just didn't want tohave to, like, hey, I need a
Thursday and Friday offer a gig.Yeah, I don't want to answer to
anybody. The
other one is, like, people workat the pearl factory, you know,
or they'll work at innovativepercussion wrapping mallets, you
know? Yeah, so that's cool, man.Did you do that too? I didn't
wrap mallets. No, I was asubstitute teacher, so I taught,

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were you really K through threeto me, K through three, you can
still make a difference. Andthey're like, Hey, Mr. Rabin.
Mr. Rabin, when is what can wego out and play on this? And
like, Yeah, I'll come out. Like,I'd get on the jungle gym with
him and stuff. Yeah, thatrecess. And they'd like, Oh,
you're so cool. And then like,what are we gonna do now? Nap
time.
We're gonna nap. I would haveloved you as a

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teacher. I feel like that wouldhave been a lot of fun.
Honestly,
I need to ask you, does thissmell like chloroform?
Get up. You got the sounds too?No way.
Oh my gosh, Jim, try to use someof the. Dark horses that we
don't use a lot today. You got

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the air horn on the
Oh, yeah.
That always reminds me of apredators game. Yeah, you know
when I teach kids shuffles,because it's like, you're great
at shuffles because you're a bigband musician. We're going to
talk about that. But there'sshuffles aren't on the radio
anymore. So I always say like,Hey. You know when you go to a
football game or a hockey games,like, damn,

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I say that's a shuffle. Kids,
yeah, it's a triplet. They'veheard it. They don't
know. It's just they say, Why doyou think that is? Why do you
think it's like, yeah,
why do you think I mean, unlessyou're almost, like, nearly
every pre, early version ofGreen Day had a shuffle on it.
Yeah?
You know what I mean, yeah. And,

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you know, it's funny, because inthe Huey thing that I'm doing,
which is may 28 in the citywinery of Nashville, I like how
you drape the fourth wall, justlike Mr. Roper. I just look
right at the camera. Yeah, theysaid because, you know, huey's
music has so many shuffles,yeah. And the guitar player, he
says, You can't find manydrummers that can do a good

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shuffle, yeah, anymore. It's adying so I'm committed to it.
I'm doubling down. So
with your gig, we got Jonathanboswick in the house. He's a
Ohio native, from Dayton, Ohio,big rock and roll town, Guided
by Voices the pretenders. And hewas telling me, the fun capital
of the world are one of them theOhio players. Yeah, you started
playing drums at age 12. Youwent to the Cincinnati

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Conservatory of Music, that's amouthful. And you studied with
John von Olin. He's still alive.Um,
no, he passed away a few years
ago say that on his wiki,really, I should. I should? I
mean
if, if, for people who know himand are aware of who he is, he's
a big deal. So Woody Herman
drummer, Stan Kenton's drummer.And he always had a when I was

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at North Texas, we would alwaystry to find the perfect Big Band
ride symbol, yeah, would have abell. Would have a wall symbols,
man and ding, ding. You can dothe dang. Cut through 17 guys
and let them know where the beatwas. And I love that, that you
were a jazz cat. I mean, we'regonna have to dig in and talk
about that. But since 2021 youknow you're fresh meat, you've
been touring with award winningcountry artist, Parker McCollum.

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I love the guy because he's atthe crossroads of big Nashville
machinery, Texas, the Texasthing, the singer songwriter
thing, you guys did Parker'sburn it down. Headlining tour,
you've been direct support onMorgan wallins one night at a
time. World Tour, you performeddirect support for George Strait
at his record breaking show atKyle Field. That had to be
amazing. That is the largestsingle ticketed event in US

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history, 102,000 people. Man,
so, so fun fact, Zildjian, whenI, when I got my Zildjian and
big first endorsement, yeah,they like, butchered my bios.
I'm not hating on them, butyeah, that was just like, that's
pretty funny. I don't care. Is
that the correct bio that Ihave? So it was 110,000 110,000
but, uh, I think Zach Brian justbeat that record for a show he's

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doing in Michigan or so, wow,like, 112 I thought, either way,
it's crazy, like, man, it waswild. Yeah, for at least 30
minutes, we had that wholecrowd, because we got to play
for at least, I think, like,over an hour. We had a good
time, that's what. Yeah, it wasfun, man. And I remember just
looking up and going, man,everyone's here. This is, like,
the it was cool. And I wasn't, Iwasn't nervous. It was just fun.
All
the cool people in Texas arehere playing massive crowds is

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not usually nerve wracking. It'swhen you have to do like, the
softest press role in your lifefor like five of your
colleagues, and they're like,right there, yeah. I mean,
that's the kind of stuff thatmakes me nervous. Really. I
get honest, I genuinely get more
nervous and care more about howeveryone in the band feels.

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Like, I want everyone to comeoff the stage saying, Hey, that
was a great show. High five,yeah? Like, the I've never
really gotten in my head aboutthe crowd size, because what I'm
really caring about is, like,making sure everyone here on
stage that feels good, yeah?Like, I honestly get more
nervous in a club than, like, astadium or an arena, yeah,
because every you can seeeverybody stadiums are so it's

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weird. They're so far away.Still, kind of,
do you pick out somebody to kindof focus on the quadrants, like,
there's a blonde, there's abrunette, there's redhead here,
those cool looking dude rightthere with his kids. Sometimes
I'll
stare at people, but then aftera while, I'm like, Oh, wait,
they totally notice I'm staringat them. Even in an arena, I'm
like, they totally I feel likethey're looking at me. And I'm
like, Oh, this is weird. Okay,so I, you were trying to vibe
them out. Yeah, sometimes Ireally, like, try to commit. I'm

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like, No, I'm looking at thisperson. I'm not breaking and I'm
like, no, they, they're lookingright at me too. Though this is
weird.
You got a nice setup. I mean,you've got, like, very musical,
dark symbols. You got some K'sup there. I love the case. And
you're saying, Vic Firth. VicFirth makes a nice drumstick. We
love Vic. Very consistent. Andthen congratulations, you got

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this craviato Drum deal? Thankyou, man. I mean, it's a big
one. I remember Chris McHugh. Wedid some shows. There you are.
Everybody loves cravio.Everybody's making a great drum.
That's the thing is, like, evenlike, if CB, 700 Is around,
they've had to up their game.You know what? I mean,
everybody's making great stuff,other otherwise you don't
survive. But I remember, yearsago, we were doing support for
Keith Urban, and Chris McCarthywas like, come on, check out my

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new tub. So I go up there, andI'm, you know, I'm like, I'm
like, yeah, they're nice. Theysound like drums. But he goes,
he goes, guess what? Guess howmuch these are? And I was, like,
$8,000 ago, $12,000
I remember when he sold thatwhole setup too. Yeah, sonar. He
made a switch. Yeah, he switchedto, I think sonar, at least I've

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seen him playing that, yeah,
sonar is making a cup. Yes,they're, they're, they're being
aggressive. And then what do youdo for
heads? Uh, man, Remo, I just, I,that's the one thing I just,
everyone's like, man, just doEvans live. It doesn't matter.
I'm like, I know no one can tellahead I'm using blah, blah,
blah. But I'm
like, I just love Remo. There'sa soulful quality to Remo. I
just, I love
it, man, yeah, it's such a gooddrum head. And to me, it's, it's

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just, it's a huge part of makingeven a better kit feel amazing.
I just, I just have to have themon there. I just do, I will not
compromise on that one. I lovethat. I love
that about you. And you've doneall the TV shows. So fun doing
the CMT and ACM Awards tonightshow. You got the fallons, you
got the kimmels, you got CMAfest. You guys do the Houston
rodeo with the spinning stagestage coach that used to rodeo.

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I mean, there's a lot of rodeosout there, but that is like the
premier.
Like, that's the one man, as faras I've been told, you know,
well, we've done the San Antonio
rodeo before. That was kind oflike, it was like, no offense,
San Antonio. We love yourrestaurants. We love your water
walk, your your river walk. But,I mean, the Houston rodeo is,
like, it's,
it's from everyone, whateveryone tells me, because,

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again, I'm from Ohio, yeah? Sowhen I was doing all this Texas
stuff, I was like, I some of it.I'm like, Yeah, this is huge. Is
a big deal, but what's thegravity of and they're like,
Dude, this is, like, the biggestrodeo
in the country, yeah? And I'mlike, oh, and they have, like, R
B night, and they have countrynight, and they'll have, yeah,
it's not just a bunch and it'slike, it just packs out with
that, with the fans of thosegenres, and you're playing

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right in the middle of the rodeoarena, on the dirt, yeah? Like,
like, the
band will schlep it out and thedirt, you know, yeah. And then
we'll go out, we'll get intoplace, right? And there's this
anticipation. The crowd can feelit. And then usually the artist
will come out on some sort of atruck or something, yeah, you
can
ride the whole stage, moves outinto the center of the dirt.
It's like, this giant rig thatthey it's, I don't, I forget how
much it is. It's, like, a couplemillion dollars. It's nuts.

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Yeah, I
saw it the other day. You had,like, the the fingers that came
down, yeah, like
the big it looks like, maybe, Idon't think star. It's
like a sun. It's like, straightout of close encounters. It's
like, yeah, it looks like ashit. It's like, like a mother
ship. You know what I
mean, is that there permanently,or they just do it once a year?
Oh, once a year. Yeah, okay,yeah.
But it's that same one. I'mpretty sure it's the
thing where, you know, Jason,sometimes he'll get salty, and

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he said, he said some blue wordsbefore, and they were like,
you're never coming back. Andevery year he comes back. So
pretty amazing. So where's therest of the band? Is everybody
Nashville based? No, I'm theonly one that's Nashville based.
So how does that work withtravel?
Um, the the crew side of thingsis a lot bigger now. There's,
there's actually a good chunk ofNashville people involved now,

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but when I originally joined, Iwas pretty much doing like a
weekly commute to Austin. I'dfly in there, and then I'd Uber
about 30 minutes to Bucha,Texas, and
they cover all that. Yes, sir,yeah.
They were in the what do theycall that? The hills, the Hill
Country?
Yeah, I think so. I still don'tknow my Texas geography that,
well, that's a beautiful area,but, uh, yeah, but beaut is

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boring. I was in like a, I wasin like a, like a warehouse lot.
There was a backline company.Those guys are they would let me
come in and they, like,sometimes even feed me there. I
was, like a stray dog. When I,yeah, I'd get there, like, six
hours early, 10 hours they justhang out. The manager at the
time would fly me in, like,super early. I don't know if
that was just for convenience orwhatever, make sure you get
there. But I was just rollingwith it. So I'm like, cool, and

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I would just spend my day tillbuzz call in a warehouse lot in
Bucha, Texas. Yeah, but yeah,just flying. And then I'd fly
back home at Austin every weekpretty much
so Ohio is not known for Mexicanfood. So have you developed the
Hey, I, you know what? I grew upnear a really good Mexican
restaurant. Oh, did yourestaurant. Oh, did you, yeah,
nice. My buddy Alejandro, hisAlejandro dad ran it, and it was

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fantastic. Did
you the street tacos with thecilantro and the onions and all
that? Yeah, it was, like,
a normal kind of, like, Mexicanrestaurant. I had, like, all the
burritos, like, kind of whereveryou go, but they did it
just really nice. There's reallyspecial about Tex Mex though,
you know? I mean, oh my
god, yeah, I've had a bunch ofit now, and it's, oh my
goodness, it's amazing. I loveit so much, dude,
so great. So I'm so glad, man,you know, you just told me, you

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just, you're just about turned30 years old. And, yeah, January
turned 30. Oh, last 30, yeah.And, you know, you got
everything lined up. This gig isnot going away. I mean, this kid
Parker is going to be doing thisthing for
20 years, at least. I think so.And I know that feels like it,
man. Um, at this point I've beenin it for a couple years now, so
sometimes I have a hard timetelling you know, I see

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everything is good, and it feelslike it's moving that way. So
does everybody get in the in theband along smashingly? Oh, yeah,
man. And I love that band. ThoseThose guys have been amazing to
work with. Um, yeah. And we havetwo new members that joined, and
they just even, even brought ithome even more. Yeah, yeah. Man,
fun. Totally great.
Jim, any questions so far?

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How was this? You know, we weretalking about the smell before.
Oh yeah, yeah. Weirdest smell.Did we dig in deep enough for
you?
I don't know. Well for us, Idon't think we did. We're
relatively
you know, we got it down. Imean, we I got I
can relate to what you'retalking about, the smoky alcohol
smell,
but it didn't even smell likealcohol. It smelled like alcohol

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that didn't sitting in yourstomach right for a couple of
breath. That's that alcoholbreath, because
I remember the the worst smell,like, what would be the weirdest
smell for me, other thanBradford pear trees, which
smells like piss and fish?
What? Maybe that Iggy Pop guy?He probably smells weird. Oh,
there was
like, you know, when he used toplay clubs, remember what?

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Because in Nashville, I don'tthink they permit smoking in the
clubs anymore, right? Nocigarettes. So back in the day,
the good old days, yeah, in the90s, when I used to play,
getting home at three, 4am anddropping your pants to go to
bed, and that whoosh, the smokecomes out of every smoke, and
the the alcohol was like, oh myYeah.

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And then you're drunk, droppingyour pants. Yeah,
from Yeah, because you'd justthrow them off. You want to get
the bed,
you know. Wait, I don't mean tobe you're downstairs. Smelled
like alcohol might.
No, I paid, uh, clubs, I know,but they said and you'd smell
alcohol like you'd smell alcoholdown there,
alcohol and smoke and all thatwas like,
what? So when you open up yourdrum cases the next

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cigarettes that too. I'm gladnot to have gear that's covered
in cigarette smoke, yeah, butsomething about a smoke filled
club,
though, we lived through it, andwe lived through you could smoke
on airplanes. Honestly,
I would have, I would have lovedto rip a heater on a plane. Man,
that'd be, that'd be nice
smoking in malls. Remembersmoking in That sounds lovely.
I know maybe we'll get back tothat. Yeah,
in this world, it's soeverything is just so PC, and

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it's all the fun. It's gone
too soft, man. We gotta bringcigarettes back into public
spaces buildings. There's a
part of me that agrees, yeah,man, or at least we have gone
soft. The
BNA has a Hoon lounge, a whatsmoke lounge. Like, who am I
real? Yeah, yeah, um. And, like,a it's, I forget which wing it
is, but if you happen to be overthere, you're like, Man, I

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really want it like a cigarette.Just sounds good right now. You
can walk in there. I don't do ittoo often, but it also, like,
that's
one thing I have never put in mymouth, actually.
The other we went up to an ElksLodge, I want to say Madison,
north of Nashville, see afriend's band, yeah. And it was
one of these things where, youknow, if you remember, they
allowed smoking inside. And itwas like, this is kind of

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nostalgic,
yeah, it is. And the second handsmokes kind of nice, yeah. My
grandma smoked like, two packs aday. So whenever we go over
there that smell it, whenever Ismell it, I feel like I'm home
in a weird way, my parents room,it was just my grandmother's
house. But whenever I smellthat, I feel like my grandma's
and it's comforting in a weirdway, secret
smell that is embedded in 70svinyl cars. 70s vehicles, vinyl.

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Yeah, that's what I grew upwith. It's hard
to get out
my parents, man, my mom was anurse, and this, like, this the
strangest thing, but they wouldboth, they sit on either side of
me at the dinner table, and theyjust puff smokers in my face,
yeah. Like, that's just a normalthing. 1976 Yeah. So I started
playing drums in 1976 you saidage 12, that does that wasn't
very long, though that was,

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well, no, I, I started playingdrums. I was like a little baby,
yeah? But, I started playing inchurch around 12 years old. Oh,
that's when I
church is such a common thingnow. So like, every Sunday
you're playing in church.
Yeah, I play the main service. Iremember doing like, the youth
band, and that was huge for me,because my parents didn't want
me playing bars or anything. Andour church actually had, like, a

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really good, not a musicprogram, but just the musicians
that were involved in the youthband and the main church band,
like a lot of them, went and didsomething musically. It was, it
was a really cool time to bethere, when that church was,
like, doing really well, um, itwas, yeah, it was fun. And
that's contemporary
Christian music, like Michael WSmith and that kind of stuff,
yeah, that's, that's what I grew
up on, like, um, the early Hillsong records, CCM music, Michael

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W Smith, pretty much name anyearly CSM artists we grew up on
that, like the Live worshiprecords. And
isn't that crazy? That's allrecorded here.
Yeah. And, man, those, those CCMrecords, are recorded there. To
me, they're some of the bestsounding records ever made,
really, like, like, some ofMichael W Smith stuff just
sounds so damn good, yeah,
we had Scott Williamson in here,incredible CCM session drummer.

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Yeah, he does all sorts ofstuff, but he gets called a lot
to do that stuff. We were justtalking about that record that
he played on Jesus freak for DCtalk, yeah, dude, it still holds
up really well, dude,
I had a VHS tape of that. Thatalbum was like the. And the live
record that changed my life whenI was a little kid, that was,
and I remember, yeah, I yeah, Ilove that. That was playing back

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beats, doing that kind of stuff,right? Yeah. And then, so, when
did the, when did the jazz? Whatdid your parents do? Did they
play music? Or how did you getinto the jazz thing? Man, um,
I can tell you exactly when, uh,when I was a really little kid,
I would go to the library andjust get, like, 20 CDs. I'd grab
it from every genre, justbecause, for me, it was just fun
to, like, it's free, yeah. Andjust to, like, sit behind the

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drums and just play the music.And just, I loved how my brain
felt. It just felt so reactive.And just I felt so free doing
it. That's cool. And I got arecord by an artist named Jamie
column, yes, he's a British JazzPop artist, yeah, and he's got a
song called photograph on there,and the piano solo. That's when
I was like, I love jazz now,yeah. And just started listening

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to that a ton, and ultimatelyfell in love with it, not
because I wanted to make acareer out of that and moved to
New York, but I just loved howit made my playing, my playing
field. It made everything somuch easier to play, yeah, and
it was just, and just being ableto learn how to express
yourself, you know,spontaneously with other people,
I think, is so valuable. And,yeah, that was just such a fun
time. From there throughbasically college, I studied it

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and was obsessed with it. Andthen I moved here, and I was
like, all right time to shiftgears and learn the national
thing.
Back beat it up. So theCincinnati conservatory,
conservatory for music. It's amouthful city, University
of Cincinnati, which is also amouthful too. You can't really
win either way. Art gore
and John Van all and so did youhave to audition to get in?
Yeah, it was a pretty selectiveprogram. And this isn't, this

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isn't saying much for me,because I was still, I was wait
listed and put on academicprobation. But I think out of
the 3000 people that usuallyapplied, they took 300 Oh, wow.
And it was really, I loved it.It kicked my ass, man. But, but
ultimately, once I got, like,once I got accepted and went to
that program, I was there forabout three years and

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but three years you're so closeto graduating,
not if you're, if you're, ifyou're on the right track, the
way they had the curriculum setup. And basically I there was
one class I didn't pass, andbecause of that, it offset my
whole schedule for the fouryears. And because of that one
class, it was realisticallygoing to take me six years to

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graduate. Yeah, and, and I stillgot a ton from the classes. All
the All, everything wasaccelerated. So I was doing, you
know, we were doing jazz theory.We also had to do a mandatory
minor in classical theory, allthe ear training, all the sight
singing, all that stuff,screaming, dude, yeah, and like,
here's the key, here's themusic, sing the melody. Oh,

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dude, you know that stuff, or,
um, I'd stay up all nightworking on that kind of Yeah,
because I am not a natural Yeah.Your music school, you, but
you're, but you're a naturalsinger, and you sing background,
yes, sir, in park in Parker'sband, which, which is great. So
it's probably not sightscreaming for you. You were
actually saying no. But
that really helped that stuff, Ithink, go from just like a raw
ability that I got from my momor learned in church and stuff

(23:01):
to it. I didn't really noticehow much of an effect positively
my schooling took until I was afew years out of it, yeah, and
doing, like, the stuff I'm doingnow, and just how much better it
made my ear and those kind ofthings, being
able to scribble out a chart,because you Yeah, rhythmic
notation, and actually
write out, you know, the exactrhythms that's like, your exact
rest and everything that you're99

(23:23):
point something more prepared toface anything that gets thrown
at you over Yeah, a lot of guys,yeah. There's a lot of guys, as
you would that have amazingcareers that just must white
knuckle it, because they can'twrite down a reminder for
themselves what the rhythm is.So they must have look at the

(23:46):
brains on Brad, you know, like,
you know, from, from, like, theyneed a charting course or
something. Yes, I feel pretty
lucky. My parents were, theywere very good about, you know,
because I wasn't really good atmuch else. Like, they just, I
was immediately gravitatingtowards drums and music. And
they were really great about,you know, when they could
getting me drum lessons, youknow, drive me to con all, all

(24:08):
the things to, you know, get aproper education. That's the one
thing they could understand.Well, it's like, if he's going
to do this, he needs a goodeducation with it. Yeah, the
other stuff we don't get, he'll,that's him, you know, in terms
of, like, making music and doingthe creative thing. But, um, I
was really grateful, from like,sixth grade on to, you know,
have a teacher just literally dothe, you know, just go through

(24:31):
the actual flow of a stroke whenyou're playing the drums, sure,
and do all the basics and reallylearn that stuff and and
thankfully, like, I have mywrists feel, still feel great. I
haven't messed up my hands.Yeah, I don't have any
tendonitis. Yeah, everythingstill works good, you know, just
strict. You
feel like you have anything likethat.
I think that any drummer my ageat that plays the way I play is

(24:53):
gonna feel things, you know, andyou're
working, man, you work harderthan I do, like partners,
music's different, yeah, youknow, Jason's me, like you're i.
You're going for blood everynight, where
this has, like a motorcyclegang, yeah? But, I mean,
there's a way to to look likeyou're hitting it and you do it
hard, but when you let the stickkind of take the blow, yeah,
yeah, there's a way to do thatin the grip that you're holding

(25:14):
it right. And I drop,
I mean, I drop a lot of sticksbecause I, I'm, I'm barely
holding on, yeah, I've got thefulcrum where you pinch the
fulcrum, then you use thesefingers to kind of control and
drive the stigma that you don'tconstrict it, yeah? And you got
to use your wrist, and also allthe right stuff that you learn
from, or playing orchestrally,pulling timpani, yeah, pulling

(25:34):
off timpani, pulling all thatstuff, yeah, yeah, yeah. But
Jim, yeah, I wake up in themorning, you know, with my left
hand, kind of like so like,really, yeah, yeah. You just got
to shake it off. You run itunder hot water. You have a hand
massage. Put some bio freeze on.I have a I bought the Big Daddy,
Thera gun, and I used to have
those. I lost it.

(25:55):
We have a hand, but you stickyour hand in this thing, and it
actually inflates. So, you know,I've been shaking the rust off
myself, and I'm hitting harderand I've ever hit, yeah, I'm
breaking all the sticks. Forsome reason, my hands feel fine.
They get a little tired, yeah,but I don't feel anything like
carpal tunnel II, you know whatI mean. But that hand massager,
what a difference. The
only time my hands were ever,like, consistently, like

(26:18):
hurting, and it was just from,like, playing so much and just
having to, like, work and justtry to, like, you know, like,
make it, you just keep thingsgoing, pay the bills. Was
playing Broadway. That's a lotof playing with my friend's
band, and then, and then drumline in high school for a season
where I marched snare. Did
you ever kind of what? How didyou perceive wearing gloves?
Would gloves, where work, it orhelp?

(26:39):
Man, I hope I would never weargloves. I hope that doesn't if
anyone
in here, if you guys, workgloves, I do from time to time.
I would rather just lose cows
and rebuild them. And I wouldnever
want to do it, but helps yourgrip better. I what when I do it
is during the I don't reallydrop sticks, though colder
months, in the colder months,your my skin will split. Mine

(27:02):
does that though that's Oh yeah.Mine splits really bad. Then
I'll put
the with Johnny, and I carrytons and new skin around. So
yeah. So we'll put the hydrogenperoxide in there to clean it.
Then we put on layers and layersof new skin. I might even gaff
tape that up. And then I'llthrow on the the Zildjian glove
on my left hand.

(27:23):
Honestly, that might be a safebecause mine do the exact same
thing. And there I'm talking,like, huge splits. Yeah, I don't
know why, but whenever we tourin the winter and it just, you
get through it, or you forgetabout it during the show. But
what's happened? Man, I usuallyget them, like, right along,
like my finger, or along, it'slike my fingerprint, where the
little crevices are thefingerprint,

(27:43):
really, so along the along theprint, yeah, it's,
it hurts, man. It sucks, playingwith it. But you, I mean, I
forget about when I'm playing,but after I'm like, I realize it
again. I'm like,
What about doing the tape thing?The gauze taper on your like,
Alex Van Halen, I did super
glue for a while, really, justbecause it was just because it
was just like, you know, fuck itup

(28:03):
during the show. I mean, Johnnywill get out to strips of gaff
tape, that's smart, and I'lljust wrap gaff tape. And it
always happens here on thepinky, because it's, you know, I
don't see your smallest finger,and it's soaking up all this
shock from from back beatssticks
draw your fingers up too. Yeah,man, can't win. It's a tough
one. So
you just learn to deal. And youknow, we're so involved in in

(28:25):
that happy place. And you know,music is taking us over. And so
sometimes you're, you're playingthe gig, and you look down,
there's like blood all over yourdrums. You've cut yourself. You
didn't even know when you didit. Yeah, you know, it's
amazing. Or the
cymbal pinch. I've only donethis a couple times, but it's,
oh my god, you got to pinch thesymbol, yeah. And then are like,
hint and pinch. And then youWhack, whack your finger, like,

(28:47):
that shit out of you. Oh my god.And then you got to keep
players, like,
screaming. So for this, you everhurt yourself and scream,
no, I just, I just try to keepmoving while you're playing. No,
I just try to keep moving. Yeah,
I'm saying, and then I gottatalk.
Why is he saying, Mother,

(29:09):
you've got all those damn micsback there. Because you've got a
count, a real mic. You've got aYeah, bitch Mike, you've got
all, you know, yeah, I
got a, I got a vocal mic forand, but we hired a singer this
year, so, and honestly, it wasgreat news for me, because I was
singing every song, and on topof that, doing count ins, you
know, and cueing, you know,songs, and doing the set, you

(29:30):
know, just all that stuff kindof, and it, it's been a lot, you
know, and learning it at first,because I never did that when I
joined them, and they're like,oh yeah, we need you to, like,
count off all these songs, orthat cue stuff, like, in the
show and, yeah, and also, like,singing on every song. And I was
like, Man, this is like, Qstuff, yeah, just like chorus up
here, you know. Or, you know, wemight have a song like the

(29:51):
Houston rodeo. We had the outro,you know, on, um, his song, burn
it down while he's on his thehorse, riding around, doing the
thing, yeah, and the stage isspinning and he's going the
other. And you're kind of, like,trying to and then there's a
dude in your talk back who'sgoing, all right, he's off. And
then, like, All right, guys,we're going out and what four
more measures, yeah, like, youknow, this is it kind of doing
that kind of stuff. And we'redirecting traffic. We are, we're

(30:13):
traffic cops. But then I wassinging on every song too,
so be like,
like, it was stupid, man. That'dbe really interesting with your
posture, breath support. It made
me think about that stuff. Yeah,a lot more. Again, it was, it
was great, like, really makingsure I, like, sitting up
straight, you know, and and justbeing like, Man, I'm gonna

(30:33):
breathe so much more. You know,some of the shows I would get a
little light headed because I'mlike, Oh my gosh, this is a lot.
But, yeah, figuring that out.But yeah, they hired a new
singer named Aubrey sellers,who's fantastic. Yeah, I know
their name. Yeah, her, herfather, forgive me, I forget his
name, but he produced Parker'srecent record. Her mom is Leanne

(30:54):
Womack, oh, okay, but she'sawesome, and she's in the band
now. She's on tour with us fulltime, and she's being fantastic.
Jason sellers,
yes, yeah, yeah, that's produced
part. And then
she sang on the record too. Soit's just, it's perfect man and
and I can only sing like afemale so much, you know, I was
always seeing all these highparts, you know, I can only

(31:14):
sound so like, yeah, you know.And having a real woman sing
real female parts, yes, I'm sohappy. Are you doing falsetto or
Yeah, I was singing on top allthe time. And I, you know, just,
I grew up around my mom. She hada really beautiful falsetto. And
I guess I just kind of, whatyour folks do. You know, my mom
was a stay at home mom. Sheworked for the county clerk's

(31:36):
office in Springboro, Ohio for,I think, a second, and then my
dad worked at fifth, third bank.Okay, for most of I think of us
being raised in Dayton, and thenwe moved to Centerville, just a
better school system. We werehomeschooled back in Dayton and
moved to Centerville, Ohio, andthat that's where I kind of grew
a lot musically, because they'relike, alright, he loves drums.

(31:58):
We got to get them all into abetter, you know, better school
district or school system. Andso once I went there, and
Centerville High School had anincredible music and arts
program. Oh, that's great. Theyhad so many bands and so and
that's where I just flourished.And I just ran with it, yeah?
Because so much fun. You
got stage band, you got pepband, you got the orchestra,
yeah, marching band, that's five
Symphonic Band, and they havethe orchestra and the actual

(32:19):
band come together and you havecompetitions.
And I did that too. I mean, Itried to do it, all of it, man,
I had zero interest inathletics. I wish I had been
more of an athlete. As a youngerperson, I'm way more of an
athlete now.
Yeah, you're an athlete. Badson. Do
you do marching band? Yeah?Eight years marching bands?
Pretty
athletic. Yeah? Pretty kiddingme. They call us the band geeks.

(32:40):
You know what I mean? It's like,Yeah, but the guys in my band
are like, there's a differencebetween being in a band and
being in band. But
dude, like anyone, anyone greatchop building, anyone
who can play a flugelhorn andrun around on a field for like,
20 minutes,
that's athletic. That's insane,dude. But you also did, what'd

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that's insane, dude, but youalso did,
what'd you do? A speed skater?
Yeah, right. Substitute teacherspeaks. Didn't you watch his

(34:08):
document? I was also,
no, he has a documentary. Wefilmed the documentary. I gotta
watch this now. 22
I don't know if it's holding up.I mean, maybe were
you, like, competitive? It was,it was, it was
a photograph in time. It was, Iwrote down. I wrote down
photograph from mentioning itbefore. It was

(34:28):
a snapshot of time. It was asnapshot in time, friends for
like, 19 years. Yeah, and we metinitially because I was
interested in voiceover, which Iended up pursuing and doing
stuff for me. Just like while Iwas because I've been here 28
years, so, which is reallystrange. By
the time you were there for whenyou and I met, you were there

(34:50):
for about nine years. Yeah,
yeah, wow, Jim, yeah, I've knownyou longer than not knowing you.
You know? I mean, that's crazy.It's really crazy. It's crazy,
it's crazy, crazy, it's crazy.So, so your parents were
supportive. Amazing. That'sfantastic. Who's your first drum
hero?
My first drum hero could be ajazz guy,

(35:15):
man. I think one of my realfirst, you know, drummers that I
saw on a professional scalewhere I was like, really doing,
I was just like, yeah, that'sit. That's I want to, I want to
be like, This guy was a guynamed Teddy Campbell. Oh yeah,
yeah, man, fucker on the voicehe did. He was in the first
american idol band. And I just,and back when American Idol was

(35:36):
like crazy, you know. And andour family, my mom, like
everyone in my family, sings, sowe'd always watch American all
together. And, yeah, could alltogether. And yeah, could take
the singers, or my mom was avocal coach too, but yeah,
watching him play with thatband, man, and play every
different song and style andjust deliver
Yeah. Nate Morton is the newKenny Campbell.
I love yeah for the voice. YeahNate. He's great, man. And

(35:59):
then he, you know, that band wasCher's band. And then they go
and they go, and they also doall the ESPN awards, all these,
I don't know, athletic awardshows. They're the gram he's in
the Grammy band. So whenever yousee someone doing the Grammys
that doesn't obviously is notplaying the tracks, yeah, that's

(36:20):
the Grammy band they so this,this last Grammys. They had 80
cues, and it was Nate and likeLeland scar Sklar playing, yes.
And I have my first sessioncoming up with the Leland scar
next Wednesday. I'm trackingfour songs, and then the tracks
are getting sent to Pasadena,California, and he's gonna put
bass, yeah, on my tracks. Man,

(36:41):
what do you think? So, make surehe's dancing first situation of
politics and Americans again.Oh,
yeah, no, I
yeah, I avoid thoseconversations. Here's the
tracks.
Also, what do you think aboutTesla you own? When you
get a buy one? Do you ownanything? Again, you know, going
back to what you guys talkedabout, you were talking about
drumming in the cold, and itbrought back a an image, yeah,

(37:02):
because I was a big neil peartguy, yeah. And I believe it
might have been in ModernDrummer. Had to have been
because there was no Internetback then. There was a picture
of him bundled up. I guess theywere doing an outdoor Jones
Beach type of amphitheater show,right, yeah. And he had, like a
hat on scarf around, playingoutside. You know, I guess they

(37:23):
were doing a sound check orwhatever. And I'm going, how in
the world you gotta love it. Yougotta play that music for three
hours. In what 40 degreeweather, the space heater on?
Maybe, I don't know. I did. Icouldn't he was that a big Oh,
you could tell he's smiling, buthe only had his eyes showing
through. Yeah, and it's aclassic. You could probably find

(37:43):
it on, on the on the Google,good lord. But my gosh, wow,
yeah, yeah, we imagine, man. So
you guys will probably do it, ifyou haven't done it yet, but
they'll put you out on the theveranda at 30 rock outside the
Today show. Oh, I hope not, man,the winter, and we would be out
there and it would be like, youknow, like, five degrees or

(38:03):
something, and we'd be like, Ohmy God. And so they would, you
know, the staff would pass youaround these, yeah. And then you
gotta do, you gotta do the thingyou
play to, like, a live, recordedperformance. Or, do you guys do
it live or live, live.
We're lucky that for 20 years wehave been the go to live, live

(38:24):
band, which is, which is alwaysnice, you know, how many people
do that? But, you know, we justdid the opening of the national
final rodeos in Vegas. And we,we mime to attract, you know,
but, but, you know, I writeeverything out, yeah to the
track, so I'm hitting it so thatno one can ever tell Yeah, and I
just tape it to my bass drum.You could do the same thing,

(38:46):
because you know how to readmusic. I love you for it. Man.
That's amazing. I made adifference for you, right? I
mean, oh yeah. What did you do?You've been here eight, nine
years before you got Parker'sgig for the first six years, or
whatever. I know you weresupplementing with Uber, but did
you do anybody else's gig? Wereyou playing around town? Yeah.

(39:06):
So any funny stories the Uberthing
was only when I first moved totown, because I, I was just, you
know, I didn't realize hownervous it was about trying to
meet people. Because I was like,well, these people could be my
friends, but they're also peopleI might gig with. And so that
means my friends are people I'mmaking money with. And so
there's and, you know, I was, Iwas really bad about going out
the first couple of months, butthen I finally met and they

(39:28):
become lifelong friends. A bunchof them, a girl named Rachel
hoarder, guitar player namedSeth Cook, another guitar player
named Riley Bria. Seth Cook,yeah, great guitar player, man,
he's filled in with a bunch ofpeople. Incredible him and
Riley. Riley Bria is absolutelylike, incredible guitar players.
They were my roommates at onepoint, but I met them, and then

(39:48):
the singer, Rachel hoarder,incredible singer, and she was
really great at getting stuffdowntown on Broadway. And
finally, like a spot open toplay drums, the other drummer
couldn't make it, so I startedplaying with. Them. And we do
every Tuesday at old red, nice.It was great, man. We played
from like eight to one or likemidnight, and that was just we.
That wasn't the priority for us,but we're like, man, we need to

(40:11):
pay our bills. I'd rather do itplaying music, yeah, and playing
with, you know, great people.Who else so you
could pay your bills, playingfour times a month at old red. I
lived
very cheap, you know, I, youknow, tell
very, very, you know,
do you regret not getting outthere sooner? Like, how long did
it take you to start getting outa couple months? You said, Yeah,

(40:34):
I
was just, I was just initiallyworried about the initial shock
of, like, oh my gosh, I have nomoney. Like, I don't even have
the right size drums for anygigs, you know, or the right
symbols. I had stuff from musicschool
and but you're, you're anextrovert. I think I
totally am. I think just movinghere, just the, you know, the
financial pressure at the time,and just just figuring out life

(40:55):
too at the time, but it was justbecause it's
more expensive than it was 28years ago, 100% and you could
live. I've
been I was really good atfinding cheap rent, you know,
and I could get people, youknow, that was pretty easy to
get along with, you know, andfinding, like, a decent space
with other musicians sometimes.And like, my first place I paid
rent and was like, 200 bucks,yeah, one month, yeah. And it

(41:16):
was a full house. It was liketwo other people. I can find
cheap rent at the time. Greatlife
skill, life hack, yeah, becauseI got, I got all my students
that I teach, like, yeah,they're in their meeting. Don't
need
to pay $1,800 a month for anapartment. And they're like,
Where should I look?
I'm like, Well, you know, mostpeople like to go south, you

(41:36):
know, Brentwood Franklin, youknow, or you can go up to
Hendersonville, or, you know,you could be right in the heart
of it all. You could be in EastNashville. But some places
aren't safe. So, you know, I
never, I never really thoughtabout safety, yeah, or anything
either. I lived in one part oftown that was like frequent the

(41:56):
house behind was abandoned.There were meth heads living
there, and they burn their shitthere so you could smell that.
Did
they like to hear, listen to youpractice? Yeah. Well, the
only reason I moved there isbecause the dude that owned the
house, his parents owned it orsomething, and he lived there,
but had a studio in the garage,but it was during COVID. And I'm
like, well, well shit, I can,like, record here. So, you know,

(42:16):
that was, like, my realmotivation. The room was
terrible. Everything about itwas terrible, yeah? But I was
like, Man, this is great. Butthen there's gunshots constantly
at this gas station on thecorner, and there are always
cops there. But I just ignored
it. The guy that owns the gasstation trying to find good help
to work that place.
Dude, it's and the other guythat was his angle, the other

(42:40):
guy, he would hear the gunshotsand be like, I'm gonna go check
it out, make sure people aresafe. I'm like, What the hell,
man, I'm gonna go into theframe. I'm like, what kind of
hero? And at the time, I'm like,man, like, you must have good
health insurance or something.Like, what are you doing?
So 200 bucks for a house is thisword of mouth?
Man, I just Yeah. I would justfind places like on I'd look on
marketplace, and if I found ahouse that looked cool, they

(43:03):
always wanted, like, yeah, comeover and let's let us meet you
first. And I think most of theplaces I found that people
thought I was like, Hey, he's areally nice guy. He's not, you
know, this is fine, you know?And, yeah, I could just, I don't
know, honestly, half the time, Idon't know how, looking back and
just hear about a place, you'relike, Oh, really. Like, yeah,
man, I'm looking for a spot. Howmuch is it? Man, it's like,

(43:25):
really cheap. This much, I'd belike, Oh, it. But I've lived in
a couple places where it waslike, man, like, during COVID, I
lived in a house that, like, Igot sold. You know, I had to
move a couple times duringCOVID. It was a mess. But I
lived at one house, and it was alittle weird, the dude who owned
it and stuff like, but I wasjust again. I was just like,
locker bedroom. I was all justfocused on just gigging and

(43:46):
playing and just hustling andthen, and then trying to, like,
just pay the bills.
Was your mindset coming to town?How many? How many years were
you going to give it?
I wasn't thinking about that. Iremember. I remember at one
point, though, a couple yearsin, having a real conversation
with myself and going like, man,if let's just say on the side
that things don't work out,you're only going to get older.

(44:07):
You need to, at some point,decide when you need to not take
your goals away, but supplementsome things to take care of
yourself. I remember thinkingabout that a couple years like,
like, five years ago, yeah, andnot even because I was an issue.
I was still young, and I'm like,I can take it. I don't have to
make a lot
of money right now. You stillare young. Oh man,

(44:28):
thank you. Thank you. Don't everthink you're wrong. Thank you.
30. I love 30. I'm very excitedfor the 30s. But yeah, 30s are
good.
Yeah, when you hit 30, it kindof feels like, Oh my god. It
feels like how it feels myparents 20s probably felt in
terms of economy and justeverything, yeah, feel like it's
the new 20s. What was
your big like, first big break,Big Shot gig that you felt like,

(44:50):
okay, there's something going onhere. It
was, did somebody have a shotbefore Parker? No.
Parker was. It's honestly thatthat was the, the biggest
opportunity. I. Forgot for me,it was like I said, playing on
Broadway every Tuesday. But thenI was also, and when I wasn't
doing that, I was playing withother people on the road. It was
a lot of, like, mid level actstuff, you know, nothing crazy.

(45:13):
A lot of vans, just like thetypical kind of thing, or a lot
of pickup trucks too. A lot ofthese love to tour and pickup
trucks, just
like, there's only you couldonly fit maybe four people.
Yeah, married the big some
of them had the big cat, butyeah, it was. It'd be a small
band, or be also running tracks.They'd pull a trailer. And any
of these dudes I played for,they always would drive the

(45:35):
whole time. And they, sometimesthese dudes would drive like, 30
hours straight. What? Yeah, itwas wild man. Some of these
country boys can
drive just forever. I wouldn'tlet anybody else drive, no.
And honestly, if anyone everasked me to drive and I didn't
really know the guys, I wouldtake the latest one at night,
and then I would just jerk thewheel really hard a couple times
and scare them, and they didn'treally know me, some of these

(45:56):
guys I'd play with, and that wayyou could just go, and they'd be
like, Yo, dude, you're terribleat driving, like, because I
didn't want to drive. You know,if it was with homies, I would,
I was happy to, but if it wasjust like, hey, there's just a
gig, I just, you know, this islast place hard
to ever drove, hard to get anysleep. Or even just, like, even
just close your eyes, likesleeping on a plane, if you
don't know who's driving and ifthey're going to stay awake,

(46:20):
you know, I guess that the samekind of thing on a bus, though,
too, yeah? But these guys,
now, the drivers, those guys, Itrust my life with our driver.
Yeah, I never worry about thatguy. You never hear the rare Oh,
yeah. Honestly,
I gotta, I gotta our we have agreat driver. I never really
hear rumble strips. No, I neverhe's fantastic. If you do,
you open the door. You going,Hey, man, what's up?

(46:43):
If they're really riding them?Yeah, see the coke. He needs
something good. Yeah.
Do the busses have, like, laneassist? Lane Keep Assist. I
don't know that stuff now,
no, but I talked about it withour driver. I was like, I'm
shocked. They haven't integratedthat into busses, adaptive
cruise control, all that stuff,just to kind of jump in for an
emergency. But newer modelprevos,

(47:04):
they probably do. You ever dothe shotgun, you know, and watch
the America? Oh,
yeah, I ride up there all thetime with our just hang out with
our drivers. Rarely I
do that and but in recent years,it's like, man, hey, there's,
there's this whole other worldup
here. Massive window, amazing.Yeah, that'd be great. I love
doing that more
often. I could see myselfdriving a tour bus, like, if I,

(47:26):
you know, life was different. Ijust wanted to kind of have
purpose and wake up. Did all thethings I want to do. I'm just
gonna drive a tour bus.
Yeah? But you got, you got apiss clean though, man, that's
not fun. That's fun, if you'regood with that, then, yeah,
that's the best job ever. Can'thave your gummies. No gummies.
Yeah? No gummies, nothing. Youcan't really, yeah, no, no, it's
pretty
good money too. If you havelike, three days off, I think
you
can, you there's like, one ofthose days you can drink as long

(47:49):
as there's, like, two days aftersome rule or something.
Oh, it's the drinking too. Geez,that's crazy.
I again, I don't, I don't know.
And, no, they, they,
you know, show yourself up. Youcan if you get you can if you
get caught, yeah. Now we'vealways had
great drivers. In our early daysof touring, we had this amazing,

(48:09):
God rest his soul. Tour manager,The Wiz, and he was, I remember
him. He did tons of time withthe Doobie Brothers and Travis
tritt, and he was curmudgeon,Frampton. He's a total
curmudgeon, but that was hisseat, up up in shotgun. No one
else. No, that was his spot. Sothat ate up years of my touring
career. So,
so if you sat in that seat, whatdo you get? Like, you're

(48:31):
like, Richie, go back to yourdamn bunk. What?
Yeah, so that actually happenedhere. You guys are, you know,
you're pretty much the reasonwhy he's getting paid. People
are coming to see you guys, sohe pulled that card on you, like
he postured to you guys, andsaid, Get out of my seat. I've
been doing this longer than me.
Well, he was an older gentleman,yeah? And it's just out of

(48:52):
respect for your elders, youknow,
yeah. But for you, what do youhave, like, a Nobel Peace Prize
or something? Did he like curedisease? Or
you have to meet the guy who,like, you know, he was,
he was, I met him. I met him onoccasion. And it was like, All
right, I get you, yeah, I seewhat you're doing. Just make it
work. You've been doing. You'rejust salt of the earth.
He's like, I don't want to dothis anymore, but I'm doing it.

(49:14):
This is all I know how to do.Yeah? What? Yeah? Is that kind
of a thing, you know? Oh, myGod, he had done decades and
decades. He had lived throughthe golden age of rock and roll.
And you know, he was worn out.He was in and he was still
going, still gone. I should beretired on a beach in Florida by
now, but I'm still on thisfrigging bus smelling your

(49:34):
smokey pants. Got to invest but
I'm glad I met him one night atthe red door, because that was
the last time I saw him alive.When was that? This was, God, at
least a decade ago. I
thought you meant this was,like, recent, like you said, I
was like, good, no, you gottaremember,
I've been with these guys inthis band, you know, since for
26 years. That's right, yeah,you've been, you know, that

(49:56):
crazy man. That's nuts, I
know. So you get a deal withKravid. I. Shadow. That's cool.
We brought that up earlier. ChadCromwell,
he's the ANR guy. He was
in LA actually, so I didn't getto see him, but, um, but you
will, I saw Sarah, uh, Harryhung out with him. Chris
McCarthy, yeah, dude, he's, he'sbeen very good to me, man, since
I've met him, I'm
gonna need a kit for my, youknow, bedroom. I'm gonna need a

(50:17):
kit. Not me. I'm just saying, isthat your
position? I was like, hey, thedeal isn't that good. I mean,
do you kind of, can you go inand be like, Hey, can you get me
one for this? This, this, youknow, whatever
you want. I went to the factorytoday and to get my first kit my
nolensville, yeah. So I wentthere and they just showed me

(50:39):
the whole process andeverything. And are they
building them out there too?Yeah, yeah. Awesome warehouse,
man. It's it. It felt so cool towatch them do this dude. It
just, everything is done byhand. And watching the two guys
they have bending the shells,yeah, the whole it's, it's
awesome. It's, I'm so excited toget a kit made.
But, um, making you a customkit? Yeah, I can take the

(51:01):
lugs and everything, and colors,bearing edge everything. And I
talked with a Chad yesterday onthe phone, and we kind of went
over that, going with a maplekit, you know, going with what I
know, for the first one,
they measure the bearing edgeand the flatness of it on like
it was a piece of granite orsomething like that.
They don't know. I don't know. Iknow they cut their bearing
edges and stand them all byhand. Though, amazing, really?

(51:23):
Yeah, and they're like, perfect,though. Those they have a they
have the standard 45 they have a38 I think they have, I don't
know if this is, this is theirsspecifically, but it's a hybrid
edge, like a 45 hybrid. So it'sa little rounder. Yeah, really
excited to try that out,
I guess would mute the head alittle bit more from

(51:44):
again, I was learning a lot too,because I've never had the
opportunity to place so manydifferent varieties, or be
exposed to the opportunity totry different varieties of these
kids and just different bearingedges. I think the smoother,
like 45 I think it as gives it awarmth, if I'm correct, yeah,
would you say that? I don'tknow. You don't know.
I mean your guy with bearing,

(52:05):
if you have an angular
45 degree edge, but 45 is asharp, the sharp, so 45 hybrid
is a little more round, so Iassume it warms it up a little
bit. Yeah, attack, yeah, attack,and probably overtones and ring.
Man,
any drummers watching this aregonna have no respect
for me. These guys do notdeserve their drums.
You think about it, it kind ofmakes sense when you think about

(52:25):
that surface area and touchingof the head, if you put a little
finger
on it, if you got a larger areathat's rounded, touching the
head, yeah, that's gonna have adifferent tone than it's just a
short
surface area touching the heador coming off the show. I still
can't remember. I talked abouthow much I love Remo. I still
can't remember the name for thetwo ply and the name for the
single ply. Every time I go to adrum shop, it said emperor and

(52:48):
Ambassador. Is the Emperor thetwo ply, or is the ambassador? I
can't remember. That's my wholefreaking life. I can never
remember.
So no ambassadors, as amazing asthey sound, and it's nice to
have, especially on a jazz kitor on a jazz kid, like the
fibers can
apply correct do not remember.
Think of Ambassador. A comesbefore E, so a should have 1e.

(53:11):
Has two. Yeah, that's why,that's why I think I got that's
how I remember
it. What do you say about theletter A? And
think about emperors. Emperorsare fat,
double ply, that emperor. Whatabout ambassadors?
They're like in the early partof their careers, like, Hi, I'm
ambassador. You know, they'rejust, I can remember

(53:33):
fat emperor? Remember that?Yeah, fat
emperor, double ply, I'm lookingup a friend of mine's, um,
Facebook, page, yeah, because helikes to make fun of the
terminology that drummers use,especially because he's a
singer. Yeah, Rob Jackson, he heused to work at a music store

(53:55):
back in Danbury, Connecticut,and he's been in amazing bands
all through his life. He soundsexactly like Getty Lee. He's in
a rush tribute band, but hebasically, kind of, he says, you
know these drummers, you know,when you talk about dry and wet
symbols, what the hell are youguys talking about? You know,
what are you talking about,bearing edges? Why is that so
important? So he's somewhat kindof throwing shade at drummers,

(54:15):
but I think he's genuinely Yeah,well,
let's see him sitting on his gigwithout a great drummer.
Anyways, well,
you know his drummer, LouCalderon, that's right, yeah.
What's up? Blue Cal de
Rolo, yeah, we became somethinghappened with his Facebook page?
You got hacked or something. Andhe's really, he's trying to,
we're trying to become friendsagain. You're probably too young
for
Facebook. No, I grew up on, Ihad MySpace as a kid.

(54:38):
Oh, he did every year, a realkid, but I was in my 20s. When I
did it, yeah, I was born in a 95Wow. You could be my son.
Do you have that crazy? No, no,I always pull out.
Hey, listen, I like you man. Butyou know, yeah, we can just be
friends, be adopted. I'm 30. Iforget. Wow,

(54:58):
yeah, Jim. When. I didn't sayanything, huh? You're done
talking about pulling out. Oh,
geez. Well, you know, we gotta,I
mean, I can move in and livehere's a great place, man, dude,
this is huge. I love it outhere.
A lot of people will, you know,I won't tell them the story, and
they're like, geez, this is likea it's like a plantation or
something.

(55:18):
It looks like a person who ownstheir land. It's like in their
home the American flag. This is,I want to I loved, I lived in
whites creek for a little bit onseven acres, and I loved it.
Man, so you're in Donaldson orhermanage, I'm in Donaldson.
Okay, Donaldson, but, um, nohaving, having a couple acres on
a property in a long drivewaylike that, just away from the
road. Man, is perfect. I
love just speeding up thatdriveway. It's so fun. You ever

(55:41):
see me, Jim,
I might have, you know, thefirst
thing I thought I'm like, Oh, helikes kayaks. Oh
yeah, I forgot to take that off.What's that all about? I love
kayaking. I just I wentyesterday, and I forgot to take
it down, and I was in a hurrytoday.
So we're driving all the towns.Any like I go
to Percy priest, but you can goan hour out of town. There's a

(56:04):
couple good places to put in,couple good rivers. I haven't
done any of those out there yetright now, just go to Percy
price. I just dump in there and
just saddle around. I mean, it'sa little scary. I mean, did you
ever see deliverance? I don'tthink so. What happens in that
so many things. I mean, I'm not
jumping out of the out of thekayak, but, you know, a lot of

(56:25):
banjo miles
McPherson does some kayaking. Ibelieve, you know the decision,
yeah,
does he
really, yeah, yeah. That's histhing,
dude, a real talk. I have acouple buddies been trying to, I
want to get a kayaking grouptogether, like a kayaking
drummers group, or musicmusicians kind of thing, because
I have so many buddies like,dude, let's go. And we all keep
missing each other. And there'slike, six people, we all been
trying, we keep missing eachother, trying to go kayaking. So

(56:47):
some practice pads on the frontof it, yeah,
park your car, and then youlaunch into the thing, and then
you got to remember where theheck you to come back to, yeah?
But I'm not, like, going, like,20 miles away. You know, he's
not going 20 miles off shore.I'll go around some of the
islands, or I'll, I'll go up toone of the islands, like, have
lunch, you know, just chilling.Wow. It's just nice, man. Pack

(57:09):
a little, pack a little PBJ. We
did the inflatable days,inflatable kayaks. We did that
for a while. Those are great,
yes, yeah, I couldn't do thempersonally. I like, I like my
pongo. It's a mango coloredpongo. It's
convenience, because you they'reeasily transportable. But then
when you get there, you got toblow them up, and then when he
you got to deflate them. That'sthe biggest issue.

(57:31):
Yeah, it feels like you just, itlooks like you just can't
commit,
you know, right? You're puttingyour toe in the water. I've
seen dudes on the road, though,on tour, they they'll take one,
and that's where I wish I didhave an inflatable one, because
we've been in some really greatplaces in like Oregon. I'm like,
dang, I would love to gokayaking volunteer.
Oh, my God, for four months ayear. I was just out in Seattle,

(57:51):
and we got some sun, yeah, thatwas nice. And they're like,
yeah, it's three and a halfmonths a year, gorgeous. And
then the rest of the year islike, it's like, the movie, the
ring. Yeah, you know, we're justrains, and there's the girl
coming out. It's England. It'sBirmingham, England. Yeah, it
is, yeah, it's not my thing. Iknow you would, yeah, I would, I

(58:14):
would, I would not thrive
there. You would not. There's acertain kind of person that
that's for Alaska is the sameway,
yeah. But also, what Alaska hasis 30 days of night, and that's
when the vampires come out andthey feast on every I
would love 30 days a night. Thatsounds kind of fun. I'd
say it messes with people'sheads.
I mean, I've gone on a night incollege. I remember going to,

(58:35):
like, a night shift at onepoint, on accident, yeah, like
before I moved to Nashville,like, I dropped out of college,
and I just started, if I'm notcareful, when I have time off,
I'll stay up late. And nextthing you know, like, watch the
sun come up, then you sleep. Andyeah, next thing you know, on
your total night schedule, yeah.And it's the weirdest thing. And
then flipping back is evenharder.
Flipping back is hard because,yeah, My gal is touring, you

(58:58):
know, total vampire schedule. Sowhat do you do on the road for
Do you have any rituals? Do youhave, like, a like, like, a
fitness thing you like to getinto? You smell the roses, you
go to the local coffee shops,record shops,
no man, just hang out with theband for the show? Yeah, we just
go to the green room. And, no,we're not crazy. We're all just
hanging out, talking or justmaking each other laugh, just

(59:20):
cracking jokes. But you
don't like to get off, get off,get get some sun, or see the
city, or look where you're at.Um,
if we're in a spot, I'm like,genuinely, like, wanting to go,
yeah, explore around. I'll dothat. But sometimes, like, at
least this during the wintertour, I was just, like, either
in the bus, it was so cold I wasin the bus, or, like, on stage.
Oh, yeah. But, um, yeah, ifwe're in like, a cool part of

(59:40):
town. Like, we'll be in Floridanext weekend, and so, like,
definitely gonna go to thebeach. Try not to get sunburth,
though, because I'm gonna We'rein Florida ever. Yeah, we're
playing Tortuga, wherever that's
the festival. Well, that'll begreat, because you'll be parked
right next to the stage, andthat's on the beach. Really good
live. Nation. Festival, and youwill be on the beach, and let's

(01:00:02):
go. Brian O'Connell does anamazing job with that. The food
will be top notch. You'llprobably have a masseuse,
there'll be a video game lounge,there'll be someone to cut your
hair if you want to get ahaircut. It's one of those ones.
Really nice. The good festivals.Really good festival. Stagecoach
was pretty good. It was likethat amenities. Everything.
That's where Coachella is, man,oh yeah, that's right,

(01:00:25):
Lauderdale,
yeah, Tortuga, but we're flyingit. I'm flying into Miami,
though, for no reason, really,yeah, I don't know why. That's
what it says. She loves Miami. Ithink I need to call my tour
manager and be like, hey, isthis right? I
think you're only 20 miles away.Oh, for real. Okay, then I'm not
worried. Yeah, man, we flew intoFort Lauderdale,
yeah, you and I, that's right.And Courtney,
when we interviewed GrantCardone.

(01:00:47):
Grant Cardone, yeah,
the early version of thispodcast was called Rich's brain.
There's like, 20 episodes, andwe flew to go interview Grant
Cardone. That was great. How wasthat?
Was that, like, it's fine? Oh,pretty cool. Very eye opening.
Got a glimpse of his and
is he like the business guy?Yeah, the big I see him on the
on the Instagrams, yeah, realestate a lot, yeah. He's

(01:01:10):
been calling out a lot of peoplerecently
that when I watch his videos,Gary
Brecker has been the guy lately.They're in a fight. Both of them
just like business guy, beefpretty much. Yeah, anyway you
want to take take on the bull,you get the horns, that kind of
thing. Now,
these guys, businessmen, ohyeah, as well. Are they gone all
into the social gardonesProbably

(01:01:31):
a bonafide billionaire by now?Yeah.
Our other other business friendis Brad Lee
Bradley, who is Robin Baum. He'sa he's not
a billionaire yet. Is he? Um,
probably even that phrase iscrazy. He's not billionaire yet.
Is he? But his goal? Yeah, oh,he's like, that's his active
like, he wants to get there.Hey, good for him, man.

(01:01:53):
Millionaire in America, he'spretty incredible. If you want
to be a billionaire, definitelygoing to become
a millionaire. Yeah? I mean,that is, that's someone who
That's nuts. He's not sittingaround watching Netflix. No, no.
He's getting stuff done. He'snot he's probably not
playing the people for a littlegreat. You binge in anything.
You gotta check anything out. Idon't binge
but I'll watch shows while I getwork done. Like, I'll binge work

(01:02:17):
watch, yeah, like, like,friends, scrubs, Rick and Morty,
Bob's Burgers, Rick and Morty.Is that a cartoon? Yeah, it's
cartoons. You ever heard
of Rick and Morty? Everybodyheard of primal? Yeah, you bring
it up all the time. Primal isgreat. Or
the Lord of the Rings movies.I'll actually, I'll re watch
those all the time, all thetime, and I only read the books.

(01:02:37):
I just love the movies. I
kind of almost like the Hobbitfilms more than the Lord of the
Rings. You
can't say that. No, I'm not. I'mnot, like, a Lord of the Rings
Die Hard, yeah? But I know for afact you can't. But I like, I
like how it like, Peter Jacksonwas like, we've got these
people, so we've got theshortest book of all of them,
yeah? And we're gonna stretch itout three the longest three

(01:03:00):
movies, yeah. I mean, that waslike, wow, that was
pretty cool. But I'm pretty sureif there's like, a die hard Lord
of the Rings fan in here andheard you say that, they'd like,
yeah. Like, well, no,
you're wrong, because I'm kindof Die Hard, but I'm not like a,
like, a slap, but you're on yourwrist if you get me. Neither.
The Return of the King was thelast one right where there was,
like, the, just the, yeah,return, yeah. But the first one

(01:03:21):
was great. When the Kraken comesout, when they're trying to, it
was like a giant octopus they'retrying to get the cave right.
When they're trying to get inthe cave, that's big. And then
when that, I forget the name ofhis character, but the Hobbit,
he's like, backing up againstthing, and then the helmet falls
into the well and wakes up allof
the orcs. That whole fightscene, Frodo gets stabbed, and
the cave troll comes in. Stilllooks amazing. Yeah? And the

(01:03:45):
CGI, I'm gonna that's 1999that's not like an old man, but
the CGI back then still holdsup. Yeah. I'm not a cinema guy,
you know, like, not veryknowledgeable with that stuff,
either, but I'll watch those oldmovies. I don't know if it's
just because it's familiar withmy eyes and feels good when I
watch it, or if it's genuinelylike, no, the CGI back then was

(01:04:06):
because
when Fellowship of the Ring cameout, I was your age, it was, I
was 29 it was came out, really1999 Yeah, so they so, yeah, it
holds up. Great, yeah. I mean,it really does, absolutely, man,
have you guys, have you guysseen where they take scenes from
movies they did the I cameacross this this morning. I'm

(01:04:27):
trying to search for it, butthey took the scene. I don't
know what movie it's from, butthey're all coming to, I guess,
frodos bedroom, and he's awake,and they thought maybe he was
sick at the very end, right,right? And like all the cast is
coming in the room, and they'reall different heights, they're
all different heights, andthey're all happy that he's
awake and everything. But theyreplace the music with, you

(01:04:51):
know, you get sexy. You makemusic, yes, and it's like, they
make it, they give it acompletely different music.
Yeah. Kids differently. And it'slike, you know, Ian McKellen
characters looking at them all,like, hey, and you know, all the
other and all these guys arecoming in, just jumping on the
bed, just like jumping on thebed. And the music, it's like,

(01:05:12):
oh my
gosh, this is not right. Oh mygod, that I could picture how
funny that would be. You
ever see the Star Wars, the endof Star Wars, without the music,
where they're just kind of
walking and breathing and fardown the
footsteps and all that stuff.You hear people in the
background
going now Star Wars is reallyold to someone your age, because
Star Wars loved it. Star Warscame out in 76 Yeah, 77

(01:05:35):
actually, 77 Yeah, and andalien. My other favorite movie
was 78
Yeah, I love the newer alien.I'll admit that.
Hey, okay, hold
on alien. Romulus was a verygood. Hold on the latest.
Prometheus
was fantastic. Yeah, Prometheuswas good. So freaking good jaws.

(01:05:56):
I never watched 75/50
anniversary this year, 7519
75
they're re releasing it into thetheaters. That's great. We
should go see it. Let's do it.Yeah. That is such
like a perfectly made movie,
and it just looks old to me. Andyou know,

(01:06:20):
once you know, once you get yougot to watch it. I've been
watching it since, you know, Iwas probably seven years old.
And as you get older, it kind ofgrows with you, and you
appreciate it deeper. Yeah. Andthen you watch that, USS
Indianapolis speech scene. Oh,man, what does the actors
basically use that as a

(01:06:41):
it's definitely a monolog youcan use off for auditions. They
got he really got drunk. Hereally got drunk, and he really
went there,
yep, yeah, what's this? Did hesay something? Just
really, you gotta watch it. Arethere, like,
six Jaws movies? There's four.
There's really only one. Itreally is.
Well, one and a half, yeah,JAWS, two, the other five. Those

(01:07:04):
Jaws, two. I think they filmed,I think they filmed it with, I
don't know if they filmed itseparately, well, maybe at the
same
shark worked better. The sharkworked better. So you got to see
more of the animatronics, yeah,whatever. But which made the
first one so terrifying is thefact that the shark didn't work
well, so they had to rely onsuspense and shots and angles

(01:07:25):
and the music. I could see
why that is cool, yeah. So theyscared people enough they didn't
want to go in the water. Theyhad to make it scary without
relying on the animatronics.Very, very
Yeah. And it's funny becauseCourtney and I, when we dated,
we went to Martha's Vineyard andwe swam in that channel, dude,
if I don't know, if I can't seea couple feet down, I'm not

(01:07:47):
going in there, really, because,like lakes, like Lake, you're a
kayaker, that thing can fallover, right? Yeah. And most lake
water is dirty and murky, anddepending
on the lake, yeah, you're at
it's yeah, you go into a lake.And it's also really happy.
Snapping turtle could come outof nowhere and grab onto your
foot, take a chunk out of you. Imean, dude, I
just trying to think about that,because I don't get out of the

(01:08:07):
kayak, though, because I'm like,you can't. I'm not. I can't get
back in that thing. Yeah, in themiddle of the leg, I'll tip it's
so small, it's gonna fall over.Like, yeah,
I think that would be weird with
my claustrophobia. I'm gonnapause real quick, yeah, because
apparently we're
having so I was 25 and he was a
true prodigy, man, like a trueyou know, he was 11. I was like,
Hey,
kid, what's your name, Tony? Iwas like, how are you gonna

(01:08:29):
start your solo over you at thetime I was 25 No, he was 11. And
he goes, I said, How are yougonna start your solo? And he
goes the helicopter. And I waslike, Oh, that's cute. And then
he goes out there, and he's,like,
so you didn't know about thiskid yet? No, no, wait, so you
got to see him. So
I work out Texas, which is hardto do, because there's a lot of
good lord. And then, and thenTony, and it was me, and this

(01:08:51):
there was one really mature guygot he was like, 35 you know.
And he played, like, reallymature, like, really cool jazz
chops and stuff, old school.Yeah. What do you think, buddy?
Yep, slight.
No way though, you got to seeTony. Oh, yeah. Like, Brett,
that's that, I What was yourreaction when you saw it? I
mean,
I got this, I got to, yeah, Igot to compete against the young
Tony Royster. And he was justexceptional. Of course, he won.

(01:09:14):
And then, you know, years later,we all got to, we all got to
hang at, you know, drum channel.And Oxnard, it was like, Cool,
me, Keltner, Thomas Lang, Tonyand Don Lombardi, you know the,
basically the owner, proprietorof dW Jones. That's incredible,
pretty amazing. And thenKeltner, Keltner and I got to
share a slice of cheesecake.That was, that's my claim to

(01:09:35):
fame. You seem like a nice guy.Very nice guy. Yeah, man, hey.
So we were talking, we took apee pee break that you are doing
tons of writing and mixing andproducing. What is that all
about? Tell us. Tell us a littleabout
that. Um, the mixing thing. Ican't say tons a lot of that's,
it's a new passion. Yeah, I'mjust getting started with that.

(01:09:56):
And I just really enjoyed it. Iwas, I just started producing.
Writing the past like year ortwo, and writing, and I've, I
just started with friends, likereally close friends, who I
could, you know, trust to growand in front of. And recently
just produced a kid, some, somekid in Texas, named J rod. Yeah,

(01:10:17):
I thought it was Jared at first.He corrected me, so no, J rod. I
said, okay, cool. And I producedtwo songs for him, and there was
no budget, you know, he's like,Hey, I'm a broke college kid. I
said, Well, man, you're in luck.I'm just looking for anyone
who's willing to, you know,trust me with their music, and
let me do this. Yeah, so Imixed, like, or I recorded the
drums in the bass, pretty mucheverything else, and then I had

(01:10:38):
my buddy track guitars and getacoustic for it. And I was like,
man, there's no budget. I'm justgonna mix these. Yeah, watched a
couple videos, and just used myear too. You're just kind of
trusting your ear a little bit,yeah, sent it to a few other
buddies who mix, and said, Hey,what do you think of this? And
they said, Hey, man, thisactually sounds pretty good,
dude. You're on the path. So Iwas like, Cool. And it wasn't
the hardest track in the world.You know, it's pretty bare

(01:11:01):
bones, like country stuff, butso started doing that and
writing with him still. And thenI have two songs I wrote that's
going to be with some twobuddies is going to be on his
album coming out, nice and cuts,baby steps, man. It's like, the
micro wins, you know, it's, it'slike, hey, like my friend's
records coming out. And twosongs i co wrote and I made the

(01:11:22):
tracks for those songs. Do you
have a cool, kind of, like,quirky tongue in cheek name for
your publishing company? No,
I'm just getting that stuffstarted to making sure, like the
points thing, and trying to, youknow, have the nets ready, you
know, long term, but I'm still,like, very humble, but I'm still
very eager just to, I just loveit, and I love coming home and
working on that equally as muchas I love going on the road

(01:11:45):
live. I think someone
told you to play a little basstoo. Yeah,
yeah. I bought a bass probably,like, six years ago. Again, I'm
not amazing at it, but I wasjust like, Man, why can't I play
bass? I play with bass playersall the time. Why can I not so I
would start to learn songs onbass and end up learning songs
quicker, to learning the formsquicker, and just relating so

(01:12:08):
much more to, just to feel like,oh man. Like, when a drummer
does that, that sucks for a bassplayer, you know, things like
that. Like, you know, justlearning that kind of stuff.
Like, what is a bass player?Growth center like, yeah. And it
makes you think about kick notelength, even then too, you know,
even though, like, you couldhave a kick that's muffled or
whatever, but you can stillthink about it like and play it

(01:12:29):
in a long way.
Do you bury the beater? Um, pullit off for the
for the most part? Yeah, youknow, some of the lighter songs,
I try not to, but, you know, ifI'm really feeling it and just
loving it, you know. And we'replaying some high energy song.
I'm, yeah, I'm varying. Same
with me. My modus operandi is tobury it, and then if I want to
get, like, a lighter tone, or,God forbid, if we're playing a

(01:12:50):
little bit of jazz, yeah,
pull it off. Recording wise. I,I try to not bury it all. Oh
yeah, I've tried to play prettydifferent recording wise. Oh,
interesting. Just so, justbecause of the results I'm
trying to get so lightercymbals, pull the beater off,
yeah? And there's still stuffwhere I'm like, hitting, like I
do live, but I would say, like,my my highest volume or velocity

(01:13:11):
in studio is probably 30% lessthan what it is live. You know,
that makes sense, yeah? And Ijust like, you can still get a
huge drum sound, yeah, and stillhit great, and let some of the
gear do the work too, and stillsound freaking huge. And, you
know? And I also just, I wasreally turned off growing up by
drummers who hit so hard theychoked the drum instead, yeah.

(01:13:33):
I'm like, Man, that's just likea waste of energy to like. And
some of these guys, I was like,Man, I can hit as hard as you,
but I'm like, it's all on thewrist and just letting the stick
work, yeah, a lot of times Ilike,
sometimes when I'm in situationswhere I don't have to be, like,
because, I mean, I've beenpainted in a box where it's
like, oh my god, yeah, he's thatanimal. People
think you just do the one, yeah,that's, but that's, how do you
how do you combat that? It'sbetter to
be known for something thannothing at all.

(01:13:55):
But true. But for you, like, Imean, you, you obviously can do
a lot. So how do you handle Ijust make sure that as this
world, too, you have to presentyourself, to sell yourself. And
how do you I just
make sure that I'm in as indifferent circles as much as
possible. So if somebody callsme to do a American record, I go
and do it. If somebody says tocome present to the percussive
Art Society, and I could showall all the percussionists in

(01:14:17):
the world that I have a goodtouch, yeah, I'll go and do
those things, you know. Sowhatever you can do to provide
exposure and to let people know,you know, one year, I had to hit
him with the airman of note atthe progressive Art Society, and
like, Peter Erskine came up tome afterwards and said, that's
been that was surprising,because he just never said, Were

(01:14:37):
you kind of, like, bummed outwhen he said that? You were
like, Dude, come on. Or were youjust like? I was like, thank
you. I was
like, Absolutely, thank you.Yeah, you know, but that's the
public that's the publicperception. Is
it kind of like, like an actorgetting typecasted? Or what's
the term, where they getassociated with totally that
role? And
I studied acting for five years,and I was fully prepared to be
typecasted. Actually, that wasmy goal, yeah. And, and when I

(01:14:59):
did it, I always. He's played acop or a detective or a school
teacher or a douchey husband.Yeah, you know, like, like, one
of these type
I want a list of the moviesyou've done, by the way,
anything, it's a very shortlist. That's okay. I want to, I
think it'd be so fun to be like,Oh my gosh, that's rich. You see
me with
this microphone right now, like,I was so proud. I was in this
movie called all light will end,and I played, like, a Casey,
Casey type, over caffeinated DJ.And it was like, so close to my

(01:15:24):
actual emailed it, right? Younailed it. And I watched it, and
I my parents got to see it all.My relatives got to see it. And
then the credits start to roll,and it says, you know, the name
of my character, rich Redmond.And I felt so proud, because
there was not a set of drumsblocking me from my humanity and
my essence as a human being. Andmy parents were like, ah, that's
all right, Reggie, but when areyou going back on tour? Because

(01:15:45):
even my parents are like, you'rea drummer. What are you doing?
Yeah, what I mean, like a personcan't be dynamic, but Jim was
always very supportive, ofcourse, yeah, yeah, it's what I
do, yeah, real friends. Jim'sthe guy that'll pull over at 3am
and went on my cars in a ditchand pick me up, dude, that
and you only, you only ever getit, like sometimes you only
really get one, maybe a few ofthose kind of friends, man.

(01:16:06):
Those are those the real deal.Totally, I
put his windshield wipers on forcrown.
That's right, I said I'm gonnabuy these at Pet boys. And then
Jim is this, like your wholeday, by the
way, no, when this happened, wasit during the internet and he
did it
so quickly, he didn't even haveto read the manual or anything.
You could look it up how to putthem on. I am not handy. This is
that's not handy. That's justlike, but, I mean, pet voice is

(01:16:27):
right there grinding coffee.It's got two miles away.
I think it's willful ignorance.I think it's a dependency at
this point. I think he's just,he knows you'll be there. He's
like, Yeah, he'll just do ittotally
just, like, what we're talkingabout, you know, learning Cubase
and all the different things,yeah, like, I just can't get it.
There's probably a smidge thatyou do get it. Oh, yeah.

(01:16:48):
Hey. So we're gonna, we're gonnaget into the Hey. What is the
best way for people to get intouch if they want to connect
with your energy and yourenthusiasm and they want to
collab with you as the kids?
Man, honestly, just messaged meon Instagram, the Grand i know
if that's like the hip one tosay,
n, n, is that your middleinitial?
No, that was just so real talk.It just happened I dated a girl

(01:17:13):
in high school, yeah. And she'slike, it'd be really cool if you
spelled your name with two ends.And for some reason, I made that
my email. Oh, my God. And thenpeople just started going, Oh,
John with two ends, right? And Iwas like, Well, it's a thing,
you know, this was years ago,two
ends, boss week. So that's
just my actual name is Jonathan.Jonathan, yeah. Jonathan, Mark
Bostwick, yeah. The John thatpeople like, is that really

(01:17:35):
spelled? I'm like, Yeah. Andthey I, some of them probably
thought that was, like, legit.Oh, that's your name, John with
two hands, but people rememberedme and could find me easier. And
I would get calls, strangelyenough, you're like, Yeah, John,
with two ends. How you doing?I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna roll
with this. That's
why I texted you. How do youspell your name? Because I saw
John J O N, I saw the InstagramJ O n, n, and then I saw some

(01:17:57):
sites. Have you as J O, H, N,it's confusing,
dude, I'm kind of, honestly,it's my fault. I've made a mess
for myself because I'll forgetto and people like Zildjian and
be like, Hey, we're working onyour bio. What's your How do you
do your name? I'll be like, Ohyeah, John, J, O, H, N. I'm
like, not remember. Like, wait,no, I don't do it that way. So
my name is pretty much, like,misspelled all over the
internet, and it's reallybecause of my doing that's
funny. Oh my god, it's totallymy fault too, man, it's, yeah, I

(01:18:21):
don't know how to fix
it either. Oh, my God, that'sfunny. Hey, we're gonna do the
Fast Five. What's your favoritecolor? Favorite color? Blue,
royal blue. Oh, my God, this isfunny. You're the 15th. Why
are we laughing here? Becauseyou're like, the 15th guy, blue
and black, black because it goes
with everything in blue. I just,I grew up a Michigan fan in Ohio
because of my dad, but the royalblue, it just always caught my
eye.
Nice. You're gonna have a royalblue kid at some point. I don't

(01:18:44):
think craviato Does that. But,
like, the kid would come outblue, or that's not good. Yeah.
Do they
do actual, like, painting of thedrums or raps, or is it always
like a wood
they do wraps, right? Craviato?Yeah, they do wraps too. They
send them to California to rapbut, oh, but man, the inlays are
so nice, and the stands, like,why would you even want to cover
it up? Yeah? Because that's,that's their thing. I think the
shells that have a littleimperfection but are still good,

(01:19:06):
yeah, they'll wrap those ones,the ones that are flawless on
the grain, sort of style. Whatit is, dude, it's unreal seeing
how they make this
stuff. It was they drew odd sizedrums, like thirteens, fifteens,
that kind of
thing. I think if you specialrequest it. I'm not sure. I
don't remember. I didn't seeany, like 15 snares or anything.
Toms. They have a ton ofvariations, but in terms of

(01:19:28):
snares, I think they have mostlyfourteens. We need to
do away with the odd size, if Iremember correctly, let's get
rid of them. Let's get rid ofthem. Yeah, because they're a
bitch. To tune,
1412, 1622, that's what I'mwrong. You're 22 guy. Yeah,
nice. You know, I know it'scountry and a big sound, but I
don't know it just works. Maple,
Hey, man, go with it. Maple.Maple. Guy, favorite food or
dish,

(01:19:48):
favorite food or dish.
Ooh, the Dan, Dan noodles atpunk walk,
I heard about this punk walk. Isaw it in the nest. You
gotta go, man, we gotta get Sue.You there. It's the in the sushi
rice is perfect, and it's, oh,the cocktails are amazing. It's
next to punk walk. What breweryin this Pilates spot? What's the

(01:20:10):
is it in East Nashville? Yeah,there's a big brewery that it's
like, right next to, or, like,underneath. Okay, it's like, in
a corner next to a coupledifferent, gosh, so we
got a lot of big breweries here,though, I'm not a brewery guy. I
don't like
Yazoo. You got your cheap beerguy? I'm a cheap
beard guy. I was too, like,ultra or Miller, and then I got
one of the podcasts I produce iscalled the ales and tales

(01:20:33):
podcast. Ales and talespodcast.com, really opened my
eyes. It's a buddy of mine and acouple other people you start
really appreciating, like, allof a sudden, the rest of the
beers just tastes like water.Yeah? You know?
Well, I lived in Cincinnati, andthere's tons of great, oh yeah,
beer. There, tons of greatbreweries. And we, we would play
in, I'd play in Fusion bands andbuddies project at this one

(01:20:56):
where they, they could let usdrink underage, because our
professor, he was working there.So I drink tons of great beer
there. Hated sours. I hated thebeer the porters. I just would
ask for the lightest beer. Itwas time, and we got, still too
heavy for me.
We had a sour on the show that,dude, I can't do it. Man,

(01:21:17):
reserve your judgment, becauseat this point I'm talking it
tastes like a baby. Guys home,did you? Did you hated it?
Probably right. No, he loved it,really. He loved it because I'm
not a big sour guy, either. Oneof our guys brings it and wraps
it in foil, tin foil, so wecan't see what it is. Yeah. So
we did, like a whole mysterykind of thing, we poured it into

(01:21:39):
the glass. It's ruby red. It'sbeautiful. And we do a sniff
test. We do a site test, we lookat we do a sniff test. I took a
sniff test I was eight years oldagain, sitting at my mother's
kitchen beard. Eight years old.No, dude, well, maybe after

(01:22:00):
playing outside on a hot summerday with a glass of milk and a
peanut butter and jellysandwich, it was that vivid. I
mean, it brought back memories Ilong forgotten. Tastes like
peanut butter, and then you youdrink it, it tastes just, I
mean, they get the peanutbutter, right? It's
amazing. It's nuts. I still
my mind just goes, dude, I'mtelling we got one here. I'll

(01:22:21):
try. I wish I did, because wecould crack them open, right?
They have it up at Cool Springs,wine and spirits. I believe they
have it on tap. You can get agrower film, PB and J beer. It's
called mix tape, and it's by Zulbrewing out of Knoxville, x, u
l, l, x, u l, brewing, Zul, it's
stunning. Maybe we'll hit him upfor some sponsorships. I would

(01:22:43):
love that. Speaking of that,what's your favorite drink?
Favorite drink ever? Yeah,cappuccino, just a cappuccino.
Cappuccino, whole milk. You makea good one at your crib. Uh,
yeah, I love, I love making acaption, nice
man, pretty good at them. Andthen what would be your who's
your favorite drummer of alltime? Is that possible? Or
of the weak flavor of the Yeah,who do you listen to?

(01:23:03):
I can tell you, like, who am Ilistening to right now?
Drummers. Well, man, I've beenlistening to because Parker's
new record coming out has near Zon it. Seven. Listening to, and
I have this, I have, like, theactual drum files. So I'm like,
great. I can hear every note ofhis, and I've always been a fan
of his. But it's really fun whenyou get to, like, dive into
them. And last record was ChadCromwell, yeah, he's another

(01:23:26):
favorite of too. And yeah, itwas fun playing his part. I
love, I really love his playingin his energy he has he played
on a Charles Kelly record. Yeah,it's a but I wish that record
did better, you know, in termsof commercial success because
dude, like, he's got a songcalled your love on there, and
you Chad goes off, man. Italmost sounds like they said,

(01:23:47):
hey, just keep it rolling. Man.Hey, just keep going. And he's,
I just love his energy. I lovehis fills. I love Charles
play some pretty good drums.Does he really? He's a class.
Did he play on the album? Hewas, No, he was, like, a drummer
originally, yeah. And they'relike, oh my god, you're so tall
and you got such a good voice,you should, like, be standing
out front. Yeah, you know your
front? Man, yeah, you're toogood looking. Get

(01:24:08):
out from you're so tall you'renot ugly enough. You gotta What
about
you got? Jim, ask your
question, if you had to.
Sorry, texting with my son,
family man, that's important.That's more important for
family.
That's a great show. I juststarted watching that bill
burr is brilliant on that. He'sjust bursting a van, and he said

(01:24:29):
the whole season, just
yeah, that it'll be amazing ifhe makes it to 80. Yeah,
husband,
I had a heart attack screamingat everyone, unless that's not
really him at home,
whether he likes you or not,you're getting screamed at
crazy. What's that? What's outthere? Jim,
sorry. Distraction. All
right. Are we in danger?
No, no. It was a car pulling upthe driveway, and they pulled

(01:24:52):
off to go next door. So
if you see a car pulling up hereand they're not supposed to,
that's you got problems. You got
time to get the gun. Yeah,
yeah. Where? To sit here and bea victim, yeah? They're driving
away. You're good, yeah?
So if you had to play in atribute band, tribute band for
the rest of your life, and it'sall you can do when you're

(01:25:12):
playing them same music over andover and over again, never
again, to play any other kind ofmusic,
yeah? Like genre. It could beany it
has to be a band. A lot ofpeople are like, rush, kiss,
steely. Dan.
Oh, steely. Dan's a good one,yeah? For sure. Um, because you
get
to do like six different drums.Well, this is such a good

(01:25:34):
question,
so I'm overthinking it. I'mlike, Man, I gotta pick a good
one. Yeah? Forever. Hold yourpeace. I actually, I think I got
a good one. Yeah, this would befun, uh, playing in Frank
Sinatra's big band, FrankSinatra tribute Big Band. Irv
Kotler, that'd be sad, man. Icould, I could, I could play it
as, like a tribute Big Band.
Get back to that. Jim just

(01:25:57):
kicking a horn sections ass allnight, dude. Oh, my cuz you got
to keep those guys in order.They'll if, like, that was the
one thing I learned playing thatstuff was, like, emergency, if a
horn session section doesn'tfeel good with you, they'll run.
They'll be, like, all right,later they'll, they'll go
without you. And you have to,like, get in there. And that
was, like, really cool to learn.Like, man, especially with big
bands you, you really got to sitback there and say, Hey,

(01:26:18):
motherfucker, like, this is myband. Yeah, hear that rim shot
in your ear? Yeah? Listen, yeah,yeah. They was fun, man. But if
you but if you were killing it,then they would vibe with you.
But if the horn section didn't
like you, dude, I'd love to seeyou play some big so we only
have, we've got a couple of bigbands around town. We have the
national Jazz Orchestra. We havethe Tennessee jazz hard to show
up, the rest for sure. And wehave, there's a couple of little
reading bands around town.Sometimes some cats will get

(01:26:41):
together over at the Union andpull out some charts, yeah, and
do some stuff. There's a bigband called The establishment
big band. And when I was, when Iwas in your seat, you know, all
the years ago, for having firstmoved to Nashville, I did some
time with those bands. But,yeah, it's been a while as well.
There
was one I played with. It was abunch of old guys. A lot of
them, either they never, like,did like the jazz thing

(01:27:03):
professionally. A couple of themplayed with some big bands
professionally. And then therewas one guy, and they were all
in education or retired. One guywas John Harner. He played with
Stan Kenton too. Oh yeah.There's a song called sending
the clowns. Nice. That was himon trumpet playing him on Trump.
That some that insane Trump isso that gets really high. Oh,
yeah. John Harner played thatwith Stan Kenton every night

(01:27:24):
when he toured with him. Andyeah, so he was in that band
too. But I was little at all. Iwas not perfect too. They were,
like, I was lucky that they letthis little kid, like, drive the
jazz Central, you know, highschool, and go sit in great
episodes like eighth grade orsomething. Yeah, I think my
Yeah, I remember driving, atleast at one point. I did it for
a little bit, but no one was inthe club. The owner was there,
really old. It was dating. Youknow, this wasn't anything over

(01:27:46):
there. And they just hand you abig booklet full of trumpet
parts. You know, some of themthey say, like, number 227, he'd
scroll through real quick andpull up the trumpet part that
was kind of torn and maybemissing a
page. It's got liquid paper onit's got, yeah, it looks like
shit. The thing is, old is
probably 100 years old. It's allyears old. They talk through,
hey, Trump has watched this,this this drummer. Make sure
here's the tempo. And then wejust go, Yeah, you know it was,

(01:28:08):
it was pressure for me, but itwas also no pressure because no
one was there. It's just thesedudes, just like getting
together and playing. That'snice big band music. I love
that. We have that in common,because not a lot of people have
the experience of pulling out abook that thick, yeah, I don't
know what's gonna happen. Andnever heard of the song some,
most of the time, amazing. Thattotally helped your
musicianship. It was fun, man.And then doing it in college,

(01:28:29):
and, you know, competing with ittoo, in high school, and doing
all that stuff. Once I movedhere, though, like, I just was
like, I'm gonna I want to learnthe natural way. I just want to
see what people do here. Well,you know what?
We do have a process. I was, Iwas at a different here, man. I
was breaking bread the other twonights ago with near I was
sitting right next to here, andwe were having the hummus. He
was like, just think humus. Justthink Pumas, Pumas, the show the

(01:28:50):
shoes, Pumas. That's how youactually say it humus. It's not
hummus, it's humus hummus. Andhe so we had, he was like, oh,
it's pretty good, you know,because he's, you know, Middle
Eastern and pretty good. Yeah,dude,
they have a sound to thosedrummers from Israel. All the
ones I've heard from Israel,they have, like, their own. And
his brother does the is, doesthe Israeli idol? He's the house

(01:29:12):
drummer on TV for nearsbrothers.
Yeah. I did not know that crazy
way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That'scool.
Yeah. That room for squaresrecord that he played on,
fantastic. That's where I knewhim. Probably knows it near is
awesome, man. So that good tosee the here in Genesis. I think
he played, he played withGenesis, and he
had an amazing live careerrecording, yeah, yeah.

(01:29:34):
Remember when Billy squire,
everybody wants you, yeah? Danash. Dan
ash, he had a wonderful drummer,Bobby Chouinard, who died way
too young. The Rumor
has it, Billy Squire was gonnasing for Van Halen. Wow, that's
by the time.
Crazy, yeah. Hey, man, I amhappy for you. I'm proud of you.
Man, welcome. Thank you. Welcometo Nashville. You're, you're,

(01:29:55):
you're, you know, you've beenhere nine years, something like
that. You got great game. Big.You're barely 30 years old.
You're You're, thank you barelyyou're doing your you're
expanding into your writing,production, playing the bass
mixing thing, which is very,very smart, so people want to
find you. It's on the gram at J,o, n, n, Bostwick, B, O, s, t,

(01:30:19):
w, I, C, K, that's JohnBostwick. And next time we're
together, we're gonna be at punkwalk. Yes, Dan, Dan, noodles.
We're doing, we're doing thenoodles, man,
and some sushi, dude. It's sogood. It's so good. Okay, I
gotta do
it. Pump walk. Done right now.
You guys heard it? You guysheard it here. Jim, thanks for
your It was a long day, man.Thanks for putting in the time.
We love your time and talent. Weappreciate you. And to all the

(01:30:41):
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subscribe, share, rate andreview. It helps people find the
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