Dead Kennedys to VO: Steve Wilson's Musical Journey from Punk to Voiceover :: Ep 231 The Rich Redmond Show

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When you're in your bedroom and you're like, you're,

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you're like, 1516, years old.You're like, I want to be a
professional drummer. I want to,like, tour and like, you know,
and then, like, what actuallylike, I never, I know you you
can relate. I never, everenvisioned, ever playing in
front of, you know, like half ofa million people in Russia,

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like,
I can't say that, but that's,yeah, that's a big crowd, bro,
dude.
I mean, just just the, you know,just the things that come about
that are like, Man, I had noidea that I would be here or do
this or do that, or wind upplaying with, you know, Dead

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Kennedys and, like, just, youknow, like, whatever it's, it's
just, it's, it's, it's, you
stick around long enough theseand you're a good person, and
you like, you know you got afirm handshake, you know, you
got a great smile. You're alikable person. You know what
you're doing. You know, you showup on time. Your check. You
check all the boxes, buddy. Ofcourse, somebody's going to want

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to ride a bus
with you. This is the richRedmond show.
What's up, folks out there inpodcasting land, you hipsters,
you rockers, your jazzers, yourfolkers, your songwriters,
producers, engineers, whoever'slistening to the show, we do
appreciate it. Hey, it's a soloshow today. My co author, co
producer, I said co author,we'll probably write a book

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together. CO producer, co host,Jim McCarthy. Jim McCarthy,
voiceovers.com, it's yourshow.co. He's on vacation. I
mean, occasionally we got to dothis thing. I'm not going to see
a vacation until maybe the lastweek of August, and even then,
we'll see if it happens like,you know, you take a vacation,
you retire, that's when you die.You gotta keep moving. You gotta
keep grooving. You gotta do thisthing. My mom, she's like,

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pushing 80. She's like, workingout two hours a day. She keeps
an immaculate garden. She's inthe Martini club, she's in the
pottery club, she's in the linedancing club, she's in the
shelling club, and she's like,vibrant. She's living so anyway,
super excited about today'sguest, because we go back. We
got history in the Los Angelesand now in the 615, Nashville,

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hailing from a little townoutside of St Louis, Pacific,
misery, Pacific, Missouri,calling uh LA home for 21 years,
Nashville, coming up on fouryears. Great friend of mine.
He's a super versatile drummer.He's played with punk legends,
the dead, Kennedys, pop stars,tattoo a blues legend, Geneva.

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Is that right? Steve, Jennifer,I'm so sorry, Jennifer, because
I would probably be side stageat some point, watching you do
that, you know, at some point.And also, uh, country rocker
Mark McKay, who we share creditswith. We can, we could talk
about him, but, um, I'm talkingabout my friend Steve Wilson.
What's up,
buddy? What's going on? Baby?Good to see you, dude.

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Have you like, Have you listenedto one episode of this show
ever? Do you know what you'regetting yourself
into? I you know, I might have,I might have pulled some stuff
up and taken a look. And I gottasay, Man, I'm so excited that
we're finally getting to dothis. Because I know we've been,
we've been playing the scheduleback and forth.
It's like herding cats. Ilearned that in the south
someone's like, Hey, man, it'slike, Chad Cromwell told me,

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it's like herding cats. Wefinally got I was like, What do
you it's just the thing, youknow, because cats are pretty
they're pretty hard to herd,yeah, yeah, they're not herd
animals. But we're so busy, andNashville has become such an
urban the spread, this urbanspread, that we're just like,
You know what? Let's just zoomthis thing, man. So we're doing

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it. So if you guys that are justlistening, Steve is killing it.
He's in his voice over studio.He's got tons of drip on, of
course. He's wearing the blacktee. That's what we do as
drummers. We wear the, you know,the black
tee, yeah, well, you know, Imean, it's a uniform.
But listen to those pipes, guys.This is, this is like we all got
to have. We're multipreneursnowadays. Of course we love the

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drums, of course we love music.Of course you want to play live.
Of course we want to record, wewant to teach, we want to do the
thing. But Steve realized thathe had these pipes, and that's
actually, is that how we met thepipes thing, doing the
voiceover,
you know? I think it was, Ithink I think we talked drums,
like third or fourth, you know,like, I think we were hanging
out. We were hanging out the bowand the rainbow in LA and our

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good friend Jason Sutter,introduced us to one another,
and I just remember you and Iwere chatting it up. And we
wound up going back to Jason'shouse, a bunch of us after the
bar closed, and I remember I wasreading, like a bottle of it.
You're like, read this, readthis. It was like a bottle of
like, Heinz 57 ketchup. And youwere like, and I'm like,

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read me the ingredients.
I just remember, you know,
of course, we were sober and andI remember just trying to. Like,
read, Sal, see, salt, yellowdye, number 15 and but you were
like, early on, one of mybiggest supporters. You're like,

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dude, you've got a day when Iwould go six months without
seeing you, and you would belike, are you, you know? Are
you? Are you auditioning yet?Have you got an agent? Are you?
Like, what are you doing? You
know, we got to do that for eachother, you know what I mean. But
it's like we do, but I
but, yeah, that's you were oneof my very earliest supporters,
which I appreciate. And westill, every time I see you, we

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still talk about vo because youwere, you were doing acting and
like you were, like, really,like, yeah.
So, you know, it's so, you know,it's funny is, is that it's,
it's like a very Bob Seger kindof moment. It was like, this is,
like, one of those Hollywoodnights. It's like, you know,
you're on, you're on the strip,and like, they kick you, you
know, LA is a relatively roll upthe streets, kind of early town.

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People don't know that, but theykick you out of these places.
And then where do you end up?You're going to end up
somewhere, right? So you end upin one of the boroughs. So we go
to North Holly, North Hollywood.We're doing the thing. We're at
Jason's house. You're readingthe back of a Heinz 57 ketchup
bottle, you know, all thegenetically modified
ingredients. And, you know, thenI'm like, like, Hey, man, we
should, like, we got to supporteach other with this thing.
Because, yes, at the time I wasstudying, you know, improv

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comedy, voiceover, TV hosting,you know, cold reading, like,
all the stuff I was like, Youknow what? Maybe there is
something that I could do withthis outgoing personality, still
trying to do it little. I don'tknow if you've known this, but
I'm sure you feel the pain. It'sjust really hard to do 80
auditions a year and ride a tourbus and live in airports and all

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that kind of stuff. But I'lltell you afterwards, but I do
have a new part coming up, andit's very closely related to the
music thing, you know. So I'mprobably going to be playing a
drummer, but it's a realHollywood film, and it's
filming, and so you know what?Hey, let's, let's do it, you
know?
Yeah, that's amazing, yeah. Imean, I, I always thought that,

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like, I saw your, you're real,you sent me your real you sent
me your voiceover demo. And,yeah, dude. I mean, it's, it's
there, it's just like, you know,we didn't wake up and we could
play the way we play now. Imean, it takes 10s of 1000s of
hours and years and years to getgood at this. Yeah, so, dude,

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so good. So we'll get back tothe voiceover, because that is
fun. I mean, if you if anybody'sjust listening, I mean, listen
to that baritone. That isincredible. And, and I know the
kind of work you do, you do alot of auditioning, you do
studying, but you know, you youread, like, textbooks and like,
you know, instructional thingsthat are like, insert slot A and
the slot B, and I'm like, Godbless you, buddy, because that's
there's a little thing calledpatience.

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But hey, let's go back St Louis,outside of St Louis, Pacific,
Missouri. I love this timeline.At you taught yourself how to
play the drums at four, you gotyour first set of drums at 11.
You joined your first band at13. It's all odd numbers here,

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except for the four. You gotyour first gig at 15, and then
your first recording session at17, and then it was downhill
from there that it was alldownhill from there. So tell us
about the love affair with thedrums. What sparked it? Was it
like a thing you heard? Did youhave brothers or sisters that
were like, dude, check this out.Houses of the holy What was the
thing?
Yeah, I was very fortunate tolive in a house surrounded by

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me. Positions. My dad playsguitar, sings. He played
locally, wedding receptions. Heplayed, you know, the honky tonk
around town. My uncle Wayne wasa bass player. He played for
Stonewall Jackson. He actuallylived here in Nashville in the
70s and the 80s, played theOpry, played the Ryman, played

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the and then played the Opry in74 when it opened. So he was my
first, like mentor, and, like,my biggest, like inspiration,
like he, you know, he came homefrom Vietnam, and was like, What
do I have to lose, you know? Sohe's, like, I lived through
that. So he packed up. And, youknow, my aunt and they moved to

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Nashville, and they lived herefor, I think, the better part of
15 years. But, you know,Thanksgiving and Christmas time
was always like, hitting him upfor stories about, like, you
know, what was it like when, youknow, so that was kind of like
the real early on, and with mydad being a musician and then me
taking a liking to drums. Ijust, you know, you've heard it

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a billion times. You know, weall beat on stuff walking, you
know, moms, pots and pans andthings like that. So they just
got me, like, a little JCPenney's catalog, like, as we
all started out on. And I just,you know, beat that to death.
And then, yeah, Dad finally,like, bought me an actual set of

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drums when I was 11, and thenjoined a band at 13 with guys I
knew in school. But I was alsofortunate. I mean, me and you
were not too far apart, youknow, that time of the MTV era
was for a kid to be 12 or 13 andhaving, like, being able to

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watch headbangers ball or like,or it just in rock videos. And
that was just like, that waslike, a just a great not talking
smack about anybody that's, youknow, 13 now, but I'm just
saying that was a really goldentime to be a kid and music and
in rock and in country too. AndI should also add, my sister

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was, like, she's as far as,like, where I get my taste is,
is, you know, we're listening toLeonard Skinner, then it's
Madonna, then it's heart, thenit's and then it's George Jones,
and it's like, it's pop, it'scountry, it's hard rock. And she
has, and still does, has, like,this really eclectic taste,

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like, before everyone would say,you know how, like, you ask
somebody, Hey, what do you whatdo you what are you into? What
do you listen to? This? Like,everything. Well, she was saying
that in 1985 when people werelike, well, I don't like rap, or
I don't like country music. Soshe
was, she saw the humanity. Andthat was like a cross pollinated
all the music, which is, that'sa, that's a great sister to
have. And, you know, so you're12 or 13, so you know, MTV is

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pop in your pubescent So, is it,was it, was it Nina Blackwood,
or was it
Martha Quinn? It was, actually,I'm going to go with Martha
Quinn and and I got, you know,and then Adam curry and Ricky
rackman were, like, they were,like, staples of, like, my
weekend diet, you know, like,with the Hard Rock stuff, but

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like, yeah, Nina, for sure, Ninasound
like she gargled with razorblades. I did meet Ricky rackman
at the the the bow one night. Hewas, yeah,
yeah, yeah. He's a super niceguy, yeah, um, so yeah, that's
um, that's kind of how that andthen um, you know, like we all
did, like school band. Imarched. I played in the concert

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band in the winter time. We didthe halftime shows at the
football games and the in thefall. And then joined a joined,
joined a rock band when I was13, some friends in school, and
it just kind of just blossomedfrom there I was, I was playing
practically every single dayfrom the time I was, you know,

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13 until, you know, now, I mean,I never
play you're playing along torecords, which is a great
education. But then, because ofthe academic experience in
school, you could read music,and you understood about playing
crash cymbals and playing thebass drum. And hey, kid, here's
a glockenspiel. And here's ascale on a glockenspiel. And
this is how you play atambourine, like that. Stuff is
all just invaluable. It's inthere, man, you know, which is,

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you know, I think that's aperfect combination for someone
who's going to have a life inrhythm, a life in music, you
know,
absolutely, and it was, I had areally amazing he's still a good
friend of mine. I had an amazinghigh school band teacher. And

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you know, in our formidableyears, we all need that. It's so
important because you can goleft or right, you can go, I
hate this. You had a badteacher. Yeah, and it can be
disastrous, right?
So you're still in touch withthis person, and they must be
proud if they come to a showever.
Yeah, he he hasn't been out to ashow yet. I did get to play. I

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was so touched last year. Was itlast year or was it two years
ago? I think it was two yearsago. He invited me to come and
play his retirement. He retiredafter 30 years at the school,
and he invited some alumnus soand I got the call to go and,
like, swing a big band, which Ihadn't done since I was at MI

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with Steve Houghton watching me.You know, like,
wait a minute when you were atSteve, when you were at MI,
Steve, how was still there?
Houghton came by. You know, theywould do like the guest, you
know, you've guessed it at pit.So, like, Houghton and Gary
Chaffee would come through and,like, and it was, it was a who's
who's it was. It was a lot offun. But yeah, there I was. And

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so, yeah, he Mr. Soko, and hitme up for that. Still calling
Mr. Sokol. Matt. Hit me up forthat. But he was very, uh,
influential even after I, um,graduated from school. I was
looking at MI and was like, hey,what do you think? And he was
like, I he's like, I'll deep.I'll help you with anything you

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need to get, like, whateveraudition or whatever you need to
get together. I'll give you ahand. Because he's like, I think
it would be a good move. I I'vemet Greg Bissonette at a clinic
in St Louis one night, and Iasked him about it, and he was
like, Yeah. He was like, yeah,it's good. You know. I was like,
one of those people. I'm not somuch anymore, but at 1819, I was

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like, I had to ask five or sixpeople to make sure it was okay
before I jumped because, youknow, I'm moving from a town of
back then, 5000 people, and I'm
thinking Hollywood Boulevard,Hollywood and Highland. I mean
literally, like off of Hollywoodon Cherokee, like off of
Hollywood Boulevard, yeah. So itwas a very, you know, I know you

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can relate, man, you think backto what you did when you were 21
and you're like, I, how did,where did I find the courage in
the in the chutzpah? Did, yes,make such a huge move like that?
And, brother, you did it. Youdid it. And that's and that's
something that that seems tofade in our years, two things

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fade, our innocence and our likeour our insights as children are
just so pure in the way we seethe universe, and the fact that
we think that we can just doanything, and then our throw
caution to the wind and justbravely dive into the deep end
of the pool. It gets harder andharder as these, you know, we

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start to have spouses andoffspring and bills and
mortgages and stuff, and they'relike, Well, I'm confined to
this, and I gotta have watercooler talk every Monday,
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,Friday, and then I'm living for
the weekend, you know, danggang. So, you know. And then you
know what I mean, but it's like,you dude, you did it. So that
was, that had to be, becausewe're six years apart. So that'd

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be, like around 1994
that was, that was actually 98that I made the move. I made the
move, I made the mistake. Iwould have gone sooner. But, and
I'm not talking like if you'rein, if you're in a band, if
you're listening and you and youand you believe in your band,
and you think there's promisethere, don't, don't quit your
band. But I was in a band withthe guys that I was in with from

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high school and and I was, Istayed around St Louis for a
couple of years after I got outof high school, and it was my
guitar player's father who madehim join the Air Force. He was
like, you, you're gonna, you'regonna go into the military if
you're not gonna go to college.And it was because he quit and
went into the Air Force. And Iwas flipping through a net like

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an issue a Modern Drummer onemorning, and found and found MI.
And I was like, Hey, Mom, I youknow, because I was doing
community college and I hatedit, I was gonna go for audio
engineering and stay in Missouriand just study at Webster
University and study audioengineering. But I wasn't really
feeling Community College atall, and I and I saw an ad for

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MI and back then, you, you, theymailed you a catalog. They
mailed you literature about theYeah, and my mom, who worked
three jobs and is my biggesthero, she was like, let's go out
and look at the campus, whichwas a big deal for us, you know.
I mean, like, it was a big dealto book two flights, go out,
walk the campus, went and alsochecked out, LA, Ma, you know,

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where,
property and all that stuff,yeah,
you know, and looked at that,but I was like, coming from a
small town in Pasadena, waslike, kind of the same as it
felt the same. And I got toHollywood, and it was exciting.
It was exciting, and I got togo, and I toured the campus, and
I and I got to go audit someclasses, and that's where I met

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Ray luzier. And. Yeah, Ray wasso sweet to me. He I was just
audit, auditing a class, and hegot me up in an LPW to like,
he's like, you want to play,come on, you know, like, and
that sounds like Ray. He's justso inclusive and kind and the
sweetest
guy ever and, and we're stillbuds to this day with like,

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going on, geez, going on almost30 years so, so I just had a
really good experience. Andthen, you know, and once I got
there, I just immersed myself init, man. I mean, I got the and,
you know, you know, at NorthTexas, you know, I got the good
fortune my mom afforded me toplay drums all day, every day,

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for a year and a half before Imet the people that are
responsible for who I'm playingwith now, and I just had a
chance to go out on tour. Andyou know, a year and a half of
school, and I was all right, I'mready to apply what I've

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learned, and that's and that'swhat I did. And I really just
never looked back, and alwayshad, like, enough work and bands
and stuff like that in LosAngeles to kind of
keep me there. And it
always okay. So what was whatwas that? What was that, Steve,
what was that? What was thatfirst opportunity that took you.
So I originally was working withDave Weiner from the Steve vi

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band. He was him and I went toschool at the same time, and I
helped him. We got his demotogether, which got him the VI
gig, and he played with VI. Heonly recently stopped playing
with Steve, I think, a coupleyears ago. So he had that gig
for decades, and
he's seen a lot of drummers comeand go from that the laborious
and the Virgil's and the all thesummers that go through that,

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yeah, yeah. Jeremy Colson hashad it for a very long time. I
believe Colson
has been there for a really longtime. It was man Genie before
Colson, and then, like you said,Virgil did a stent,
and, you know, Chris fray, ourbuddy Chris Frazier,
but so Dave and I were, we'restill very close friends, but

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I'm I'm walking dude, truestory, I'm walking to school.
I'm on Hollywood Boulevard, andthis crazy guy with dreadlocks
runs up to me, and I've got aPantera shirt on and, like a
Zildjian baseball cap. And hewas like, you like metal and you
play drums. And he gives me atape. This is like, 1999 he

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gives me a cassette tape. He waslike, You should audition for my
band. I'm looking for a drummer.And I'm like, Cool. And I went
and I listened to the music, andI thought it was, I thought it
was decent. It was like, punkmeets metal. It was like, this
kind of mashup of the two. Itwasn't like, this was gonna get

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played on the radio. It wasjust, I kept the tape and I
thought, you know, I was like, Ikind of hold it home. I didn't
really, I didn't call him back.And then, like, a month later, I
see flyers up at school, andit's drummer needed van for tour
us, tour vans warp dates. AndI'm like, It's the it's the same

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guy. It's the same guy with thetape. So I Well, I'm like,
Christ. I'm like, if they'replaying war more, I want to
celebrated its 30th anniversary.Oh man, jeez,
oh man, that's that makes mefeel old. They so then I was

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essentially, it sounds bad, butI was incentivized. I was like,
okay, and I went in and Ilearned the stuff and I and just
went ahead and, you know,auditioned, got the gig. We went
on. That's that strike that thatstarted my relationship with Dh
pelegro, and I've worked with DHfor man, like, five years in his

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band, he had a trio calledpeligro that he did when he
wasn't playing with DeadKennedys
that rest his soul man. He diedin 2022
20 October of 22 so we
they had been in in, involved ina lawsuit for years with their

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with their former singer forfraud. He had embezzled, you
know, quite some, some dirtydealings. Well, they they want
that. So this is like 2001 thethe Dead Kennedys. They won
their lawsuit, and they wentback at they won the rights to
the name, and they went out onthe road. And I was still

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playing when dH is banned, buthe was like, hey, I need a tech.
So do you want to come out onthe road with me? So that's what
I did. And that was my firsttaste of, like on the other side
of things. And it was, it was.Interesting. We were friends, so
it was cool. It wasn't it, itwasn't, you know, anything too

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stressful, but he woulddisappear at sound check. He
would go get a cup of coffee, orhe'd just go walk around, and
I'd set up his drums, and theguys would pee like, hey, we
use, we need to run a coupletunes. You know, this is back in
the floor wedges days. They'restill on wedges, by the way, but
like, we need to, like, getsounds. So I just started doing

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the sound. I set the drums, tunethem, do the sound checks, I did
everything but play the gig. Andthey just kind of remembered
that. And their tour manager atthe time, who's still a good
friend of mine, he he rememberedme when this is like, some years

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later, they couldn't find DH.He, he had gone kind of off the
grid. Turns out he needed somepersonal time, but they had
shows booked, and I'm in Europe,and the tour manager calls me on
and he's like, when are youback? And I'm like, I'm back,
like, tomorrow. And he was like,can you learn the DK set in,

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like, five days. And I'm like,Well, I'm pretty familiar with
it, and I'm on tour, so my chopsare already together, you know?
And I come home and in fivedays, I would shed their whole
their whole cat, their theirset. And in less than a week,
we're playing House of Blues.Anaheim sold out. So this was,

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this was, uh, in 22 this was inoh five. Oh, my God. So this is
an oh five. So 20 years ago, 20years ago. I've been involved in
that camp for 25 if you includemy my years as a tech, it's 25
years. So, um,
amazing, but it's an amazingrelationship. And you, you won

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the trust and the hearts and theminds of the the powers that be,
and you were always there foryour friend, and you played
drums for him when he had a solothing. You set up and tuned his
drums, you filled in for andthen, then, then, then you're
doing the thing with the guy,yeah,
yeah. And I thought it was goingto be like, like, essentially,
like, one off, like, like,because they couldn't find it,

(27:15):
you know, and they were going tobe in big trouble if they didn't
do these shows, legal problems.And it went well enough that
they booked another run with me,you know, five. So we did
another run in Florida, and thatwas a blast. And then it was,
like, Rich. It was weird. It waslike, it was, I mean, it's, it

(27:37):
was crickets for like, a decade.And in that 10 years, I had to
do some other things. I gotinvolved in, like cover bands,
top 40 cover bands. I always mydream when I moved to LA was
like, because I, you know, Ilove Van Halen, I love Motley
Crue, I love guns and roses. Imean, that was the stuff that I
grew up listening to, and Ialways wanted to be in a band,

(28:00):
you know, like, I'm gonna get ina band. We're gonna make
records. We're in tour theworld, we're gonna conquer,
right? And I thought that that'swhat I would would was my
destiny. That's what I wanted.But um, through school, um
through going through MI andlearning styles and learning
learning how to learn, like,learning how to actually learn

(28:21):
material chart, you know, thethings that the invaluable
things that we learn as sideguys. I learned how to do that
and I needed work. So I wasstarting to work in like top 40
circuit and playing in originalbands. But what I had learned is
that I can, I'm pretty good at,like, learning other people's

(28:46):
music, like a lot, you know,like, I can listen to a song a
few times. I can make a chart,and I can usually display it
down on a good day, on a goodday. So that was a skill set
that I had no idea, that Ipossessed when I got to LA but
that that became a very, veryuseful tool, when, when I

(29:11):
learned the DK set, and then,you know, years later, I got
referred To back when God resthis soul. Barry squire. Barry,
his list. I had been hearingabout his I heard his name from
the time I got to LA man. Theywere like,

(29:33):
tell our listeners the
the the iconicness of thatgentleman, and really kind of
what he
did. I Okay, I'll try, becausehe was a very, very super
important figure, not just in LAbut in just in our music
industry in general. So Barrywas a, was a drummer originally.

(29:55):
He's a dream. Yeah, he was adrummer. And he and I'm gonna.
Give like a very kind ofabbreviated definition of what
he did. He was the liaisonbetween bands and record
companies and managementcompanies and hired musicians.

(30:16):
He was the guy that put you needa drummer record company,
management company calls Barrylike, we need a drummer for this
band. And boom. You know, hewas, he was the synergy, he was
the glue. He was the guy thatmade, made things happen again.
That's he did a lot, lot morethan that. And we just lost him

(30:38):
late last year, late last year,but, but that's a very like I
said. That's a very abbreviateddefinition of what he did. He
his list was a very coveted inthe early 2000s it was a very
coveted thing to get on hislist, and it was hard to do

(30:58):
like, I couldn't put I couldn'trecommend you rich, right?
Because we're drummers, so, butif I played bass, I could, so
you had to come referred fromsomeone that did not play your
instrument, because we're allbuddies in the drum circle,
right? But, and I gotrecommended, and I and I went
out and I auditioned, my firstaudition, and I got the gig,

(31:22):
which was great, because I knewI was auditioning for him and
the band. So I got, I got thegig. Couldn't take the gig due
to some we just have just bottomline it was, became. It came
down to, like, money and myschedule and so on and so forth.

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So it didn't work out, but itwas great that I got the gig,
because I for years after that,he called me for a ton of stuff,
and I'd say half of it, I gotnice, or at least got on the
short list, but that's how I gotthe call for this Russian pop

(32:06):
group called
tattoo, who T, A, T u,
correct. And they were really,really. Their heyday was like 99
2000 2001 like that era theywere. They did, they did the
Tonight Show, they did Conan,they, I don't think they ever

(32:26):
did SNL, but they, they were thefirst record did very, very,
very well. I think it soldsomething like seven or 8
million copies worldwide.
It was very like, quasievanescent, you know, gigantic
loops, gigantic guitars, bigsynths, you know, big Gosh. And
I saw some video out there.You're like, it was a global

(32:48):
tour. Was it not? Yes, it was.It was 20 countries. So you
went, you're going to Russia,you're going to the Eastern
Bloc, you're going to
Japan, Dubai, like
we played in Egypt, nice. Imean, we went, we went, like,
when I say we went everywhere.We played in Armenia,

(33:10):
you're like, you're like, set upin front of the Sphinx. And
you're like, hey, it's not asbig as,
I mean, when we think about, Iknow you can relate. When you're
in your bedroom and you're like,you're, you're like, 1516, years
old, and you're like, I want tobe a professional drummer. I
want to, like, tour and like,you know, and then, like, what
actually, like, I never, I knowyou you can relate. I never,

(33:32):
ever envisioned, ever playing infront of, you know, like half of
a million people in Russia.Like,
I can't say that, buddy. That's,that's a big crowd, bro,
dude. I mean, just just the, youknow, just the things that come
about that are, like, Man, I hadno idea that I would be here or

(33:57):
do this or do that, or wind upplaying with, you know, Dead
Kennedys and, like, just, youknow, like, whatever it's, it's
just, it's, it's, it's, um,
you stick around long enoughthese and you're a good person,
and you like, you know, you gota firm handshake, you know, you
got a great smile. You're alikable person. You know what
you're doing. You know, you showup on time. You're check, you

(34:20):
check all the boxes, buddy. Ofcourse somebody's going to want
to ride a bus
with you. Wow. I appreciatethat, brother, I do. I do. I
know I it's but, but the bitJust, just to kind of like,
close it up with with them.They, they were like, that was
the tattoo thing through Barryand and I'm going up, I'm in

(34:42):
that audition at sir there inHollywood, and I'm up against
some, some guys I knew that werelike, like, Oh man, that I know
him, and I'm like, Mohawkearrings. I just got back from
Europe with my I was in a deathmetal band at. This time, and I
just got home, and I'm like, I'mnot, I'm not the right fit for

(35:05):
this. I'm like, I'm a total punkrock, like hardcore guy. I
looked, I looked the part backthen, and uh, lo and behold,
that's what they wanted. Theydidn't want a clean cut pop
drummer looking dude. They theywanted an edge. They wanted
somebody with an edge. So thereI was at 29 with my edge. Get

(35:26):
the gig and and I'll tell youwhat that was. The only time
maybe you maybe did this too. Imaybe with Haldane, but like, I
called and woke my mom. I was ata I was at a party for my, ex
girlfriend's birthday party. Wewere having a dinner, and I got
the call that I got the gig atlike 11 o'clock at night in

(35:47):
Cali, which is one o'clock inthe morning in St Louis. And I
called my mom and woke her upand told her I got the gig that
for me driving my Bronco withthe U haul trailer, 1800 miles
from Pacific
to Holly, the Pacific Ocean.Yeah,

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that, I mean, that validated.You know, when my first arena
over in I think it was like inHolland, Estonia, and we played
in a we played in an arena, andI hit and, like, the in, the
Pyros going off, and I'm like,I'm dude. I'm like, That's it.

(36:27):
I'm like, this the Bronco, the Uhaul trailer, the studio
apartment full of roaches onHollywood Boulevard. I mean,
let's, like, just everything wasjust validated. And I think that
that's so that, and paying offmy my student loans to MI
through playing the drums. Imean, these are just things that
are just cannot put $1 sign onthe validation that you get, the

(36:54):
feeling you get from like I had,I set a goal, I had a dream, and
it's not only been met, it'sbeen exceeded. And you know, and
it's just you exceeded
your own expectations by 100 bybeing forward thinking and by
being a person that takes actionand

(37:16):
it that's a great thing, man,you did it.
I did it, and I felt like when Ileft la after 21 years, I felt
like I had I think it'simportant. It's not the most
important thing, but I thinkit's important to the to feel
like I set out what I intendedto accomplish, and and I, and I

(37:41):
didn't feel like I leftanything. I scratched all the
itches that I intended to when Iwhen I left, I had just kind of
gotten to a point to where Ineeded a change. I mean, you and
me, when we met, that was theheyday of, like, the ultimate
jam nights. And like the sound

(38:03):
sound check live with Ferlazzoat the Lucky Strike. We we lived
at the Lucky Strike. And thefunny thing is, is that God
bless and it was very Hollywoodin the sense that they call it a
jam night, but it is sostructured and so organized for
you listeners out there, there'sthere's spreadsheets and there's
emails, and there's sign ins andthere's wristbands, and it's
like, this is, I mean, this isHollywood. There's like, the guy

(38:25):
with the earpiece at the door,and he's like, 300 pounds, and
it's all muscle, and it's like,you ain't getting in if you're
not on the list. And you get inthere, you wait around all
night, because at 1026 I'msupposed to play a sound garden
song that goes between 445464,and seven, four and and, and I'm
gonna, I'm gonna wait to do it,because maybe some guy with a

(38:46):
cigar will go, Hey, kid, yousound great. Come on. I got a
studio down. Yeah, we just dothese things. But it is not a
jam. A jam in middle America islike, Hey, do you know? Do you
know tush or do you know what Imean? Do you know taking care of
business. Do you know All right?Now this is like, Okay, members
of Alice Cooper's band, membersof rat, members of y and t,

(39:08):
members of Jason Aldean, membersof the Dead Kennedys, and
there's everything. Was like asuper group. And it was fun,
man.
It was a blast. It's, it was, itwas such an awesome time to be
there and be a part of that. Iremember our good friend Matt
Starr. He one night I wastrying, you talk about, like, I

(39:30):
started my Barry a minute ago.You talk about, like, hard to
break in. It was hard to even beconsidered to be invited to play
that, to play a jam, to play ajam, to your point, was a, I
don't mean to call it an unpaidgig, but you you learn the

(39:50):
material like you were gonna go
play, like it was gonna be a TVshow, like it was gonna be
filmed, and that's how you haveto live your life in Hollywood,
because some. Buddy, atastemaker or 20 is going to be
in that audience? Yeah,
and I was, I was one of thelucky few. I was one of the
lucky few that actually got agig from going to those I was, I

(40:15):
was in a band called Heaven andEarth, with the amazing Joe
Retta on vocals and and theincredible Lynn Sorensen from
Bad Company, and my good friendMike Mangan, who's now playing
with the cult, wow. So yeah,it's

(40:36):
and of course, Stewart. I loveStewart. I gotta mention
Stewart.
Stewart. Stewart Smith, StewartSmith, the founder of the
feast, dude, dude, dude, becauseyou know what like look at, like
so superlazzo and and GlennSobel had the sound check thing,
which was at the home base thatthe Lucky Strike. Then he had
Eric Hamill holding it down atthe Viper. And then you had Matt

(40:57):
holding it down at the the thewhiskey, yeah. And then there
was, like, there was severalnights a week, and, and, you
know, you never you know youmight be playing kiss. You might
be playing, you know, I'mplaying a cranberry song with
the bass player from quiet riot,Chuck Wright, right? Chuck
Wright, and you just never know.And it was just always so fun.

(41:18):
It's like, a lot of, hurry upand wait. But we did it, you
know, we did it. It was, it was,it was a subculture. It was like
something that you do in thecurrent state of things. And
thank God, because, you know,you were talking about all those
cover bands you were in. It'slike cover bands, man, you
probably had to. You wereworking in probably Orange
County all the time,
right? It was either OrangeCounty or the valley, yeah,

(41:41):
because the, as we both know,there is no, there's no cover
bands in Hollywood. I mean, likeI lived at the beach, which we
can talk about, that
I lived at the beach. I knowwhat you're gonna say about the
beach. It is. It is a 24 hour,eight days a week
party. Oh yeah, dude, it's nonstop.

(42:04):
And then where, when I crashedwith you, when I was going
through my couch, crashing, yes,or crashing phase in Los
Angeles. Um, what was thatlittle area you stated, over by
the airport.
I lived in a city called ElSegundo.
El Segundo. Who

(42:25):
could forget? Man, yeah, you
I remember, and you were, youwere in town, and I'm like,
dude, I'll just leave a keyunder the mat.
I'm like, what you're saying?You were like, it
was such a safe is, I think itstill is. It's such a, such a
safe neighborhood. It's a greatplace to live. It was, but you,

(42:47):
yeah, you were keeping like,you're like, Dude, I I literally
get up at 6am and I'll be homeat three in the morning. And I'm
like, that's fine, man. Justlike, I only,
I need, I need a place to lay myhead for three hours without
actually suffering the sleepingin the rental car for three
Yeah, no, I don't think, I don'tthink I even saw you the whole

(43:11):
race, dude, best, best guestever. I never even saw you
because I would either be asleepwhen you would get in and then
you would be gone before I wouldget up. But yeah, great place to
live, great apartment. I stillmiss it, but yeah, when Star

(43:33):
asked me to sit in, I rememberjust going home and, like, I
woke my ex up, and I'm like, Ihave to play the gym, you know?
It was like, such a, you know.And from that, it just then I
just got the call, you know. AndI just kept getting the call,
Hey, are you available? Do youwant to play this, you know,
this Ozzy song, or this, youknow, this Van Halen song,

(43:56):
which, but, yeah, the the thecover band stuff, that's what
that I mean, that's what we weredoing. Like, I say an unpaid
gig, but it's like, you, yourehearse the material like you
were gonna be on TV. You had tobe on time. You had and then you
couldn't mess up. You're playingwith guys like you said. You
could be on stage with, whoknows. Like, who who knows?

(44:18):
That's where I met Mark McKay,and for lazos jam, I met so many
good friends, and it was just itwas so cool that, like, I know
people that were there alreadyknow this, but those who don't
like any night of the week, likeMonday night you were at the
Viper Room, you know, Tuesdaynight you're at the whiskey.
Wednesday night, you're at LuckyStrike. Thursday night, you're

(44:42):
at Sayers club. And it was,like, every week for the rock
circle. La, so big that I didstart to try to go out and hit
some of, like, the R, B nights.
There's like, a hit, like, aHip, hip hop, gospel chops kind
of thing. And then there's,like, there's the jam night at
the baked potato. And then. Youknow, there is still some stuff
happening. I mean, it's alwaysgoing to, hopefully it's, you

(45:05):
know, an entertainment Mecca,you know, like you're gonna have
Marvel movies, you're gonna it'sgonna drip down, there's gonna
be music, there's gonna bemusicians all that. But, yeah,
so mark McKay, you know, I mean,you know, you're playing with
him and so, but, but let'sreally talk about this dead
Kennedy thing, because that is arelationship that goes way back,
and it's so funny. It's like, Imight have like, a punk attitude

(45:28):
or approach at times, but Inever was like a punker. Like, I
had a mohawk, I had a faux hawk.It was purple, it was red. But
like, I was never, like, youknow, and then I realized, oh my
god, there's this guy, like Joshfreeze, like he plays on sting
records, and he's, like, a hugesession drummer, but he has this
pump. Well, let me check thislike, so there's like, like, but

(45:48):
the cool thing about the me kindof like binging Dead Kennedys,
is there was some of that doubletime, but it was never like,
super extreme temples,
like, just gotten, did yougotten? Did you got? Did you
got? Did you got to
like, maybe that's the top I waslike, wow, I can manage that.
But it's got to feel differentto it's just like pure energy,

(46:11):
pure aggression. Because, youknow, you living in Nashville
for four years, playing withMark and other guys, and I don't
know if you've played on a lowerBroadway, we can talk about
that, and your thoughts on allthat. But, you know, most things
in Nashville there's like athis, I call it the Nashville
plot. There's like a plot whereit's like, you're between like
69 BPM and 89 bpm. You're inthere, so you're playing real

(46:33):
chunky, even hats a very bottomas kind of Dune or, a, a, you
know, a, a, heartbreakers kindof do bad boom, right, right
down the middle, like jumpingtricep guitar, so it's, it's a,
it's a different like bothstyles need energy, focus, time,

(46:54):
groove, feel absolutely it's gotto feel good to go out with a
punk crowd and like haka loogieand slam slam a Red Bull, and
twirl your stick and break acymbal. And it's got to be,
it's, it's like war. It really
is. And, and I'll, I'll just saythis, I'll be the first to admit
it. And, and I was the leastlikely, and still am the least

(47:19):
likely punk rock drummer ever. Imean, I knew who they were, but
I did not grow up playing thisstuff. I didn't really even grow
up listening to it. I like theRamones. I mean, I like a lot of
it, but the fact that I wound upwhere I'm at is really not like,
Oh man, you know, like I wouldhave I was listening to, like I

(47:42):
said earlier, like I waslistening to, like, a lot of
stepple Torah and splaire andPantera. And before that, I was,
you know, still am, was into thecrew and Van Halen and Def
Leppard. I mean, like, and then,like, I just learned how to play
this music, and I, and I fell inlove with it. And how are

(48:03):
the fans? They've got to be,because that's sweet. That isn't
that is an older punk band inthe sense that if somebody was
in their teens and they werefollowing the Dead Kennedys, and
all these multi decades go by,and now they're grandparents,
yeah, but they're showing up.And they got a couple, they got
a little touch of Hot Topic Onright? And they're, like, trying

(48:23):
to, they're keeping it alive,you know,
you know, rich, I'm very, veryblessed in that, you know, I
took over the helm for, youknow, like, they're big shoes,
you know, like we don't have DHanymore,
no excuse my ignorance. Was DHthe second drummer.

(48:46):
He was a guy named Ted was thefirst drummer they had. But DH
was there the longest, you know.He was there from 81 to 86 and
then he was with them from whenthey won their lawsuit. No one
up until his passing in 22 Imean, he he literally played a

(49:08):
show with them in Europe, andcame home, and I think he passed
away just like, maybe a fewweeks later, after they, like,
got home from the road. Butspeaking specifically about the
Yeah, speaking specificallyabout the fans I I've been so

(49:31):
lucky to be like embraced andand thanked and it i Each night,
I say something about DH, wepay, we pay homage to him every
night at every show. I
was gonna say, you know, likeyou know, drummers usually have

(49:51):
the gift of gab, and we'reusually very outgoing people. So
you have been blessed with thisopportunity every night to. To,
to get a microphone and to talkabout the legacy, and you're
sitting in that seat, and you'revery humble about it. I mean,
you're very you're more thancapable to beyond capable to to

(50:14):
move the ship forward. But youknow, that's got to be a cool
thing, man, to talk every night.It
is, it's cool. I'm gonna go outon a limb and say it's, it's a
when you're talking about bands,iconic bands, specifically in
drummers and coming in behindsomeone who's so respected

(50:43):
that's a fairly small club, nota lot of guys in that club,
yeah, um,
and, yeah. I mean, it's,
it's an honor, and it can'treally ever be taken for granted
or forgotten while you're whyyou're there and who made that

(51:06):
opportunity possible for you.And I think it's just, uh, I
appreciate the fact that theguys, um, give me the
opportunity. It's maybe 45seconds, but that's 45 seconds
that I get to talk about DH, and
everybody's like,
yeah, man. People absolutelylove it. You know what I mean,

(51:28):
even I just got home from Spainlast week, Portugal and
Lisbon, I saw I was I was on. Iwas catching up. You know what's
the quickest way to catch up onsomebody's entire life? Go to
their Instagram, pretty much.So, yeah, you know what the
funny. I toured lit. I touredLisbon in 1994 with the North

(51:48):
Texas State one o'clock labband. Wow, so, but I was too
young to really appreciate it,and too nervous, because I was
like, oh my god, tomorrow we aredoing a live recording on the
history of big band music from1920 to 1994 so if I went back,
I would totally enjoy it. Sotell me, how was it? How was it
you

(52:09):
should go back? Because you, Iknow you've heard like there's a
lot of people moving from theUnited States to Lisbon, wow. I
mean, it's got a lot ofAmericans that are expats, or
they're, they're in supply overthere. The weather is
essentially Santa Monica. Oh, myGod. I mean, I got there, and

(52:33):
I'm like, it's, it's like, youneed a jacket at night, and it's
perfect in my language. It'slike, I'm like, oh, that, Oh,
that's why. And it's not, youknow, it's a beautiful city. I
mean, it's, it's, I wasfortunate. The tour was great,
nine shows, 20 days, lots oftime to go explore Granada and

(53:02):
like Majorca. We flew intoMajorca and had a few days
there, and the shows werekiller, and going places like
Porto and Portugal and I, wetalked about Lisbon, and just,
it was just Dude, it was like,and we had a great crew, Rich. I

(53:22):
didn't have to, like, I had adrummer as a tech.
And what's up doesn't alwayshappen. Doesn't
always happen, but Paulo was thebest. He must have taken a
picture the first night of thefirst gig, because every night
I'd come in, my stuff was, like,exactly, I didn't have to move.
Yeah, it's just, it's just like,little things like that that are

(53:43):
just like, I don't know, I justthat is amazing, so, but it was
a man, it was a blast, and and Iwas ready to come home three
weeks is the long run, as youknow. But it was, it was nice to
come home, but it was also like,Geez, that was, like, that was
just, like, an incredible,incredible tour, man. It was so

(54:05):
much fun.
Do you think that these guys areever going to record some new
music? Or they're not in thatmode in their life? I think that
you can't completely take it offthe table. They do talk about
it, which, you know, I'd belike, let's go. Let's, let's
record some new music, you know.Or even if they just, like, redo
files, do files, you know, justsend files, send files, read,

(54:29):
you know. Or even just like,there's one song we do every
night, and I'm like, That issuch a great song. Why wasn't
that a single? And, well, italmost was. And I'm like, Well,
put it out like,
were the Dead Kennedys gettingairplay? I mean, we're talking
like college radio, triple Aradio. They weren't on modern

(54:52):
rock radio,
right? The the the cool, one ofthe coolest things about them is
that their success. Is not, it'snot tied or tethered to the
radio or right TV. They just,they just, they get a touring,
relentless touring, and likeBuzz and street like they just,

(55:14):
they are everything they builtis from just really good songs
with clever lyrics and like,it's, like, it's, it used to be
that easy, right? It used to bethat easy, and now it's slightly
a little bit more complicated.
It is so complicated, is like,are we are, you know, we were

(55:36):
relying on traditional radio orrelying on satellite radio? Are
we doing playlists? Are we doingrelentless touring? Are we doing
American Idol or the voice? Arewe doing all everything
combined? And it's like, God,good luck. But I will tell you,
you know, as you know, guys likeus, you know, we have our craft.

(55:57):
Yeah, we have a big smile on ourface, and someone's always going
to need a great drummer.
So there you go. Well, and sofar, that's, yeah, that served
us well. Man, yeah, it's, it's,it's an interesting life choice.
It's not one that you Well, Idon't know, man, and you're
probably the same way. I just, Ijust, there wasn't anything I

(56:18):
wanted to do. I think you haveto be that. I wouldn't say
crazy, but maybe a little youjust focus. I don't want to do
anything. I don't, I don't haveany interest in doing anything
else. But this so
there has to be a focus. Yeah,that is not only bordering on.
That is probably Bullseye in themiddle of obsession, yeah, yes,

(56:43):
because I remember studyingVinnie abassy and do videos. And
now I and then buying his bookrock steady, and, you know, and
you're in the trenches, andyou're copying and you're
modeling. And then I look backat those do videos nowadays, and
I'm like, Wow, this was prettylow budget, right, but, but it

(57:06):
stands the rainbow in the darkand last in line and all these
amazing songs that wererecorded, it sounds shitty, but
I don't even know why they callit sound shitty. It's because
Sound City, I mean, so manyamazing runners, Tom Petty,
Vinny Dio, so many great thingswere recorded there. Did you get

(57:28):
to
go and record? I know Matt. Iknow Matt started, we did that
thing for charity. So growbought that console, and it's
it's in 606 now it's crazy. AndI did this, and I got to, I got
to record into that console. Wedid a record. We did we I, we

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contributed a song for charity.This is going back years, years
ago, but, and I just remembernumber one being in 606 which
is, if you're a Foo Fightersfan, you love nirvana. You love
Dave Grohl. It's pretty magicalplace, just to begin with. But
like, then there's that, there'sthat's, that's the Neve, you
know, that's the, that's theneed, that's the Appetite for

(58:12):
Destruction. Never mind rumors.It's that console, right? I
don't know why people would evercall it sound shitty. And I
think, I think, you know, Ithink Rick Springfield did a lot
of his stuff there. I mean, itwas like that was a magical
building in the middle of the,you know, the valley, man, the
San Fernando Valley. Say, whatyou want. I mean, we wouldn't

(58:34):
have the movie, you know, wewouldn't have Boogie Nights. We
wouldn't have, we wouldn't haveso many things. Thank God for
that little valley that rightmade so many amazing things.
Really did yeah.
It was, yeah, it was, it wassuch a incredible time. And I

(58:55):
loved my time there. I loved mytime in LA. I miss it. I love to
go visit now, but, but I wasgonna
ask you, how are you loving, youknow, Nashville? So you got,
like, it's not quite theNashville that I experienced 28
years ago. You know, coming fromTexas, like, you know, Texas is
the south, but it's kind of itsown subculture. And, you know, I

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really don't have any problemwith Texas. I think, like, the
roads are super wide, the peopleare pretty proud. They're pretty
friendly. It gets hot, but, youknow, there's a there's a
culture there. There's a supportfor the arts, their music
education is at its highestlevel in the state of Texas. I
really don't have a problem withTexas at all. But, you know,

(59:36):
moving here, I was like, oh mygod, meet in threes, and there
was, like, hay bales, andthere's, you know, no valet
parking. Forget about sushi. Imean, like we, we have come a
long way, baby. Yeah, so do you,you know, are you loving
Nashville, or are you justrealizing that, hey, everyone is
coming here, and I'm here andI'm in line. I mean, I'm so glad

(59:58):
I'm in line. I moved here 28Years ago. So, you know,
hopefully, if somebody needs adrummer, they or a voiceover
artist or they're going to thinkof rich or Steve. Steve, it's
the Steven rich show. Brought toyou by brought you by Heinz 57
ketchup, brought
to you by icebreakers.
Yeah, I don't have it. What amI? Got this, I I'm, it's water,

(01:00:22):
I promise, don't freak out.Yeah, it's been, you know, like
I had the good fortune, youknow, people in our industry, we
have the good fortune of seeingif we think a new place might be
a good fit. So I started comingout here for work with Mark.

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With mark in 2018 when we playedthe Ryman. So that was my first
gig in Nashville. Was the Ryman
Auditorium. Look at that, buddy.That's the mother church. And
it's like, Whoa,
yeah. We we were direct supportfor Ted Nugent. And I remember
Mark calling me on the phone.I'm driving in North Hollywood,

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I'm driving my car. And he waslike, Hey, what are you doing?
And I'm like, because we were,we were, it was being thought
about if we were going to beable to do the tour or whatever,
you know, and and it was likeVirginia Beach, and it was like,
some dates in Ohio, and, yeah,but then it was like, the Ryman,

(01:01:25):
you know, which is like, we'lldo the four to get the one, no
offense, but that's just, that'sjust the way it is. And he was
like, you might want to pullover. And I'm like, okay, so I
pull over in somebody'sdriveway. And he's like, we got,
we got the tour. We're gonna,we're gonna play the Ryman in
July, and I'm like, freakingout, amazing. So we did that,

(01:01:49):
which was so special, so specialto be the only, the second
member of my family who, wherethere's many musicians in my
family, but to be the secondmember of my family to get to
play on that stage, I called mydad from the wings, and I was,
like, talking to him, and I'mlike, so nervous. I I've played

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TV, and I was more nervous therefor that show than I was for
playing TV. I mean, that waslike, so because I've been
hearing about this place mywhole life, since I was a little
kid, hearing about the Grand OleOpry, right? So, well,
it is the longest running radioshow of all time, and for

(01:02:31):
various periods it was atelevision show when, when I was
with Pam Tillis, we lived at theRyman, I mean, at the other
location for the, you know, theOpry, and we were always on
television. And it's like, yougot to get on. There's a house
kit. There's a house drummer,you know, but was, you were
doing a full blown show, right?You had your own kit.

(01:02:51):
So, yeah, you know, I we got akit for the run from SAR here in
Nashville and and I had that theshow went great. Was amazing. I
had family in attendance. Myfiance, her mom and sister came
down from Maryland for thatshow. I mean, it was, it was
really, really, really special.We had to go to Roberts

(01:03:13):
afterwards for fried bolognasandwiches and, you know, like
we and beers. We had to do that,right? But, you know, right
after we play the Ryman,
my favorite Honky Tonk on theentire planet. Do you agree with
me 100%
and not only that, probablymaybe the only like, it's like
the last one, it's like the lastauthentic, like, it's the

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last Honky Tonk. There should bea documentary. And like, if any
filmmakers are listening outthere, I want to be, I want to
somehow be involved in thisthing. Because I'm not a person
that finds themselves down therea lot. But if I do go down
there, I'm going to Roberts.That's top of the list,
without a doubt. You go toRoberts. Layla is also, is, is

(01:03:58):
cool too. It's like second so,so you, you get involved, and
then you get me on as thenarrator for, for the last honky
talk at all,
listen to those voice like, I'mlike, I'm like, hey lady. And
you're like,
you always sounded like, youdon't sound like Jerry Lewis,
Hey lady, don't

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Hello, Roberts, it's a fuckingparty.
It's a party, right? So, here'shere. Here I am. I've been
talking about moving here wassince like, 2016 right, before I
got the Heaven and Earth gig,which was phenomenal. It was a
great gig. I mean, it wassalaried. I mean, I mean, I'm
not going to argue with that.Very generous people there

(01:04:44):
involved. It pushed my move out,because I got a gig. I got a gig
in LA and it was fun. And I'mplaying, like, Deep Purple, like
Kenny Aronoff played on therecord. And I'm like, I'm coming
in, and I'm copping Kenny stuff,nice and, and then, yeah, it was
a blast. And I'm. At him a fewmonths later, and he couldn't
have been nicer to me.
He's a real wallflower.

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He should really, he shouldreally open up. I gotta. Did I
told you my Kenny Aronoff story,didn't I? You're about to right
now. I'm about to right now. Wewere at a good friend of mine,
Ronnie. She's a awesome guitarplayer. Played with the
runaways. She booked a session.She used to play with Kenny when
she was when Kenny was out withFogarty, or doing a trillion

(01:05:32):
other things. You know, I getthe call and and so we're in,
we're in Sunset Sound there inLA and we're doing, and she got,
and she's, she's got like, threeor four songs she wants to
record, and she's got any on oneor two, and me on one or two. So

(01:05:53):
as I'm doing a sesh with Kenny,he comes in, he plays on my kit,
which was cool, sitting rightover there, and and I'm talking
to the we're done, you know, andwe're talking it was, it was
like a masterclass watching himdo is, like, listen and the
yellow legal pad and make hischart. I'm watching him and,
like, I'll watch him go on. Hedoes, like, two takes, and it's

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done, just sick and, and we'redone, we're out, we're out in
the live room and word, and I'mtalking to someone, I'm talking
to, talking to Ronnie orsomebody, and he was like, You
should do voiceover and I'mlike, thanks. I'm trying to, I'm
like, I dip my toe in the water.So I my story is when I, when I
say, Kenny Aronoff heard meplay. He told me I should do

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voiceovers.
It's not that's horrible, that'sterrible. And funny and
incredible.
Dan and Jerry AT Pro drum, theylaughed. They thought it was
pretty
funny. Have you ever done thegroove of the day on the Vine
Street? There?
I did, man, I got to do it. Igot to do it last year,
actually. No, I got to do it in23 Yeah. What

(01:07:01):
am I? What am I saying? Iwatched it on your Instagram.
It's like, you did, you did athing. Like the groove was like,
there's like,
du gust, goes to do Gastoncutting. Yeah, it was the

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that was it you, you got thegig? No, it was, it was no
pressure, dude. I remember goingin to see those guys and and I
had just landed from probablyNashville, and I hadn't slept, I
think I did a gig the nightbefore. Was really, really,
really, really tired. But whenJerry's like, so you want to,

(01:07:46):
are you familiar with the day?And I'm like, Yeah, I'm
familiar. He's like, you want todo one? And I'm like, even
though I've got plane sleep, youknow, like three and a half
hours, I'm like, I'm not gonnasay no. So on those acrylic dw
is that was the best I could puttogether on, like, three and a
half hours. You could probablysee the bags under my eyes, but

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no, they're, they're sweet guys.And that was a that was a lot of
fun. You know, it's just such
a piece of history, Hollywoodhistory, and that drum shop
across from the, you know, thelocal 47 musicians union. And
then if you walk out the doorand you take a right, you go to
cactus taqueria number somethingor other that I love the best.

(01:08:31):
That's why I go right there. Andthere's no bathrooms, and so you
got to go into the neighborhoodnext door and pee behind the
building. It's like crazy.
Oh yeah. Did you know pro drumsgot a toilet? I didn't know that
until, like, they have a theyhave a restroom in pro drum. I
was, I had been shopping therefor 15 years,
and you didn't know
I, like, drove up from, like, ElSegundo. I

(01:08:53):
knew because they have, like,like, a very they have these
very yellowed, weathered fromthe sun posters of like Steve
Jordan and Dave weckle over thetoilet. It's amazing by the
Yamaha, by the Yamaha hip gig.Get
right, right the weckel with themullet, yeah, oh,

(01:09:13):
dude, I had that mullet. I hadthis vo five mullet, bro,
dude, I had, I had one. I had, Ihad, I like to think, like guys
like us, we had mullets before.They were ironic, like when they
were just, like, it was just ahairstyle, you know, like, it
was like,
it was just, it was just vo fivehairspray curls,
yeah, little herbal essence.
And then we would come home fromthe club, and there was no smoke

(01:09:36):
heaters in a lot of places, andso you would open up your drum
cases, and it would smell likethe Philip Morris factory, and
your hair would like, and therewas like, you would you take a
shower, and then you could seethe smoke coming out of your
hair.
Literally, literally, like,like, people asking you if you
smoked. You're like, No, I'm anightclub musician, and your

(01:09:58):
teeth are all yellow, and you'relike. You got yellow teeth, your
clothes. Think it's crazy.
You're in Nashville. You got agreat gal. You're engaged, yeah,
you're loving Nashville. So, soI'm sorry, just this is like,
no, no, yeah. How did you finishyour Ryman experience? You're

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the second person in the historyof your family, to play the
Ryman Auditorium.
So that was incredible. And likeI was saying, you know, like in
our industry, I would alwaysjust in 18, I wanted to move
here. I wanted to move here. In16, got a gig, pushed it out 18,
play the Ryman. I'd get a car,I'd get a hotel, I'd spend a few

(01:10:40):
extra days I'd always tried. Andthen with janava, I was coming
out here in 2018 and 2019 to dothe Americana fest with her so
and then Christine, my fiance,her her work, her company, had a
massive conference at thegaylord in 2019 so between

(01:11:04):
playing the Ryman, doingAmericana TWICE, TWICE, TWICE,
and coming out with Christinefor the conference at the
Gaylord, like I had, like,chances to come out and, like,
check Nashville out. I mean, Ihad been I came down here with
my dad when my uncle lived here,but I was very young, and I

(01:11:25):
didn't really, you know, like,now, you know, as an adult, but
I but coming from Missouri, Imean, it's not that it's
different, because we're not,you know, we're not in the south
where I, you know, where I'mfrom. But like, and certainly
coming from LA, it was very,very, very different. But like,
you know, I'm like, I could, Icould totally, totally fit in

(01:11:46):
here. I could totally do this. Icould, I think I could make this
work. And, um, so, so, yeah, soI, I came out here. I actually
moved here originally inDecember of 2019 and was just in

(01:12:06):
time for the tornado and thepandemic to basically shut
everything down. So when, whenthe town so in March, when
everything shut down. I mean, Ihad built up a little bit of a
network, but there was, therewas, as we both know, there was
no music, there was no there wasno gigs, there was no Broadway,

(01:12:27):
there wasn't nothing. So I, Idecided I packed up, and I
couldn't afford to stay here, soI went home and I helped out my
mom, who was having some healthproblems, and I'd always wanted
to teach, so I started applyingto like School of Rock and

(01:12:51):
places that were doing virtualdrum lessons.
Wait a minute, did you did youwork with Angie and Kelly
mccrite over at the School ofRock?
I worked at the School of Rockin Kirkwood, Missouri, just St
Louis. Oh, you went back home. Iwent home to help out. My mom
gotcha was having some healthproblems, and it was kind of
like one of those things,complete transparency. Like, as

(01:13:14):
much of a drag as it was that wewere all, we were all out of
work. I mean, we were allsitting at home. I mean, there
was about not a whole lot goingon, but in hindsight, you know,
that was I kind of was exactlywhere I needed to be. I like, I
was right there. Like, you know,my mom had a minor stroke, so it

(01:13:37):
was good. It was good to bethere and help with doctor's
appointments and groceryshopping and pharmacy runs and
things like that. But it alsoprovided me an opportunity,
because there was I, I'd alwayswanted to teach, but I've always
been on the road, you know, soI've never really taken the time

(01:13:58):
to, like, have students, youknow? It's just, I just it the
it just the opportunity neverpresented itself. So I thought,
let's make some lemonade, right?I was like, here's an
opportunity. So I got on withSchool of Rock there in
Kirkwood, Missouri, and then Ialso was working for monzingo

(01:14:21):
music,
and, oh, Jeff, Jeff,
Jeff, sweetheart, killer
drummer, and he does, like, kindof like uplifting presentations
and such, and I've done thingsfor him. What a great guy.
Yeah. So that's I was atmonzingo, and I was working at
School of Rock, and that's kindof what I did rich, until I was

(01:14:42):
kind of getting calls thatthings, this is like the summer
of 2021, that things werestarting to kind of open, open
back up down here, and MarkMcKay and I, we, we were direct
support for reocc. Bead wagonthe summer of 21 we did a we did

(01:15:04):
two and a half weeks with themin July of 21 and I said, when
we get off the road opening upfor reo, I went home and I
bought a car, and I packed itup, and I came back here, and
that was in September, so July,and then I staggered. And then I
finally, really, I like, gothere in September 21 and I no

(01:15:27):
more back and forth. I like, I,I stayed put, and I've been here
ever since, man and I, I loveit, man and, you know, yeah, got
engaged. We own a home here intown, which is a big deal. Makes
you feel,
you know what? That's like,you're part of the culture,
yeah,
yeah, if you own, if you own,property, where you where you
live, you know, that's kind oflike, it's very like, you feel,

(01:15:50):
definitely more of the fabric ofof your community. So, and I
absolutely, you know, love it.It's just, I do my airport gigs,
you know, I do my Johnny Cashtribute act, and I play with
Dead Kennedys, and I I playreally traditional country, or I
play very extreme punk rock, andthen I'm also available to do

(01:16:13):
sessions or, or what else,whatever else comes down the
pipe.
Now, Steve, do you? You know,I'm glad you're here full time
and welcome. Do you have yourmobile tracking thing over to
the your left right there? Likeset up for drums to record or
No, I'm not currently set upright now to record at home. I

(01:16:36):
do vo from home, but, but Idefinitely the room is like,
we've been here a year in thishouse, and it's definitely taken
me with work and back and forthand in and out of town. It's
taken me that long just to evenget my voiceover booth kind of

(01:16:57):
treated and up and going. Butremote tracks is definitely
something that I'm interestedin. I'm already, you know, doing
single track for my voice, but,but definitely, I love playing
live. I love the road. I love,you know, I traveling airports
and you know that stuff. Youknow that it doesn't, it's not

(01:17:20):
for everybody it but even inbeing in my late 40s, that kind
of stuff, it does not it doesn'tbother me. I actually kind of
miss it when I'm home for toolong. So
I do not have a problem with itat all.
Excited to go to Australiacoming up in September with dead
Kennedy. First time for thatnever been New Zealand,

(01:17:43):
Australia. Just don't
go swimming with the crocodiles.But in watch out for the snake,
spiders, scorpions and sharks.
Yeah, I was going to say, whatdid they say? Shake your shake
your boots before you put themon. Yeah. We were there in
20. Definitely do that. We werethere in 2015 like we after a
show with, like, the whole bandand crew at this, you know,
outdoor eatery and such. And,you know, it's in the summer, so

(01:18:04):
it's like the sunset so late andbut we see this palm tree just
like shaking, like it was, like10 feet away. And we're like,
what is that? He goes, Oh, don'twalk by my it's just a city
back. This thing was a monstrousveins in the, you know, like a
bat. It was like a bat, you knowit's like, but he's, like, just
a city bat, night. No, it's justlike a rat for them. You know

(01:18:26):
what? I mean, like, but thisthing had like a four foot
wingspan. It was up in the tree,and it was all veiny, and you're
like, that's a bat. It lookslike a pterodactyl.
I was gonna say, Dude, this likesomething left over from like
the dinosaur age, right?
Yeah, it's down there, bro, itis down there.
Well, I have that to lookforward to. I have large bat

(01:18:49):
birds to look forward to. Yeah,I've never been and i i gotta
say that I've put off goingbecause I've always hoped and
prayed like Japan came work camethrough. I got to go to Japan
for work, and I got to see allof Europe through work and South
America and all these places.And I'm like, it's gonna happen.

(01:19:12):
It's gonna happen. I'm like, I'mwork is somehow some there's too
much music. They love music, toomuch over there for me not to
get to go to Australia with aband, certain places, I've
surrendered to the fact thather, Christine and I are just
going to have to go on our owndime. But I'm like, not that's

(01:19:33):
going to be, that's going to bea work trip. I can feel it. And
sure enough, that's
one of the perks of doing whatwe do, is being able to travel
the world on someone else'stime. And we're actually, we're
actually going back to Australiafor 25 days in February. So, oh,
wow, exciting, buddy. Superexcited. So maybe I'll do some
international tours,international clinics, because

(01:19:54):
I've never done a whole lot ofinternational clinics, you know,
because we'll have days off inbetween, which is kind of some.
Kind of interesting to lookforward to. But, man, if
everybody wants to check youout. Steven Wilson, musik.com,
it tells the whole story.
That's it. That's my site. I'mvery proud of it. My good friend

(01:20:15):
kata did a great job buildingthat up for me. So we worked a
lot, lot of back and forth onWell, it's nice. It
tells people how to find you.The bio is brief and sexy and
sweet, and there's video footageof you playing, there's
recordings, there's your tourdates, which are up to date,
which I'm sure, give it fiveyears it will not be up to date,

(01:20:35):
but in the meantime, your tourdates are up to date. You know,
I interviewed Chris McCue, andhe's like, I said, Man, your
tour dates are 10 years old. Onthe thing. He's like, Yeah,
yeah, no, no one ever keeps thetour dates. Just go to
Instagram. But no, it looksgreat. And then, how do you
promote your VO, is that anothersite? Do you have an agent?

(01:20:55):
Voices, 123, what do you do?
It's Steve Wilson. Vo.com is my
I should have checked that out.Yeah, everyone, check that out.
Steve, Wilson, vo.com and I needto connect you with Jim
McCarthy, who's my longtimefriend of 18. Yeah, the coast of
my podcast. And he does somesteak work, but he calls a lot

(01:21:17):
of his work hamburger work,which is he does a lot of things
like press one to try to talk tosomeone. Tried press two to
never, ever speak to someone,ever again in your entire life,
and press zero to fuck off. Sohe does a lot of those kind of
things. You know? Yeah,
yeah. I would love to meet him.I would love to meet there's a
great organization here inNashville, the Tennessee

(01:21:40):
voiceover. With Christy Bowenover there. They're, they're
great people to know,
yeah, I'll give them a plug. Andthey're,
they're, they're terrific,great. Lot of classes, a
coaching, they will help youwith an audition, you know, like

(01:22:02):
I've went in there.
I've been with pearl drums for18 years, and I
was out Pearl Sabian, you and Ihave in common. So if we ever
did a clinic tour, the commonbomb would be Sabian. You're
with the Vader. They have astick called the it's called the
Los Angeles or it's called theLA. It's a lesson.
It's the, it's

(01:22:26):
the LA session, I think
is that la session, I like,
I play
a power 5b acorn tip. Then Chad,my good friend, Chad, over at
Vader, who takes such good careof me. He screened my name and
my handle. I got the Boomsticknow so he

(01:22:50):
I was, like, so stoked for that.And Steve Boomstick
Wilson, I love that.
Yeah, dude. Like, it's, theymake a good product. They really
make a good product. Everybody'smaking a really good product.
And, you know, Sabian, like, I'massuming, like, so for me, like,
I got 15 or 16 inch hats. Inever have less than a 22 inch
rod. I got 220 inch crashes. Andthen I have a holy China. And

(01:23:12):
holy China is that the bestChina symbol ever known to
man. I mean, they're, they'remonstrous man. They're so nasty.
I love, I love Chris. It's suchgood. I just got the the 15 inch
evolution hats that weckel hats,and I absolutely love them. And
stanky hit me to Superman's 20this session, ride, man, that

(01:23:37):
the HH session, right? It's adude. It's so versatile, great
stuff. Love all the HHS stuff,but, but yeah, yeah, that's
they're great companies, man.And you know what? What more can
you ask of a company than youcall they call you back. You

(01:23:58):
need something, they take careof it, you know, I mean, and in
return, we just, we talk it upand promote it anywhere we can,
in any way we can. So, yeah,they're very, very lucky. I
don't if it's not broke, youknow, I've been with Pearl 18
years. I've been with Sabian 17years, invader for like, seven,

(01:24:21):
eight years, and, yeah, it'sjust like, it's, it's, they're
great products,
and you're a loyal human being,and that's a great thing. What
is your go to snare drum withpearl? Is it that? Is it that
sense of tone? It's like abudget snare drum, but it's
badass, and everybody records onit, or like
that. That thing I just got thesession select, which is a birch

(01:24:46):
and mahogany, African mahoganyblend. It's not the most
expensive snare drum in theworld, but by God, it's a six
and a half and it cracks. It wason a backline kit, and I. Was
like, geez. And I called Johnup, and I'm like, How do I get
my hands on one of these? I'mlike, I gotta have one of these.

(01:25:07):
Full disclosure,
my super phonic gets a bigworkout. I love my phonic, and
I've got a carbon fiber snaredrum that was made for me from a
boutique company called Rocketshell in Sacramento. What's up,
Paul? And I absolutely love thatthing too. So I'm a, I'm loyal,

(01:25:33):
but you know, like, you know,like, you're a DW guy that bell,
that bill bronze is a six, sixsnare drum. What do you what are
you using? What's your Mondaythrough Friday on tour the the
snare drum is just a matchingfive and a half by 14 maple

(01:25:55):
snare drum that matches themaple 1970s DW technology, like,
I just they have so manydifferent shell configurations
and cross pollinations And the,you know, gum and cherry wood
and, like, you know, Maplemahogany. I do have a maple
mahogany kit, that's my mainrecording kit. But on the road,
it's just like, I just keep itso stupid. I just go with this

(01:26:16):
normal off the shelf maple kit,you know, 1316, 1824, five and a
half cookies. Let's count itoff. You know,
I love it, dude. Keep it simple,yeah. I was gonna say, so
you're, yeah, you're using woodon live. That's great,
man. I mean, yeah, even thoughI'm a very much a metal snare

(01:26:38):
drum guy, I have, you know, 90%of my collection is metal snare
drums. And then some of thedeeper drums are treated in a
way with double ply heads andgaff tape and such to mimic a
wood snare drum. You know, Ijust love metal drums, you know,
yeah,
me too. I do too. I love a metalsnare drum. I really do. I
really do. Yeah, I'm trying tofind a black beauty from like,

(01:27:03):
you know, at least, maybe evenlike the 90s, for under $2,000
you know. And it's been, it's,it's, it's tricky.
You know what I found there's,
there's a, there's a cat in townwho's like, he's kind of like
one of our keltners, ourNashville keltoners, Brian,
Owings, what's up, Brian? He's,we keep missing each other, but

(01:27:25):
you know, he's like, you knowone of the guys that will play
with, like a loose end orRoseanne cash? He's that cat,
and he's, probably has 25 100year old black beauties. He's
that guy. And he's like, I waslike. I was like, I want a 1920
Black Beauty. Where do I get it?He goes, just go to reverb. He
sent me a link. He goes, here'sa 1920s Black Beauty, six and a

(01:27:49):
half for $1,300 he said, buy itright now, right now. Yeah, and
I, and I did so I have 119 20sBlack Beauty just, you know,
just because we've been doingthis so long, does it end up on
everything? No, becausesometimes the off the shelf, six
and a half from forks, drumcloset, that's got the trick
throw off, and the, you know,the, yeah, the rock locks, and

(01:28:12):
it's just all ready to go. Andit's just like, it beat the shit
out of it, you know? But dude,that's,
you deserve it, man, that's agreat fine.
Yeah, I keep looking, you know,I keep looking. I'm we have the
good fortune like of being onthe road. I got a 1970 super
phonic five. They clearly didn'tknow what they had. I well, I

(01:28:38):
got it for, I think I paid $200
for it. Well, that's alwaysgreat
at a mon past shop in NewJersey. And the only question I
had for the guy is, can you shipit to my house in Nashville? And
he was, yeah, he's like, noproblem.
So that's a fun pastime on theroad. You know, you're in, yeah,
you're in Hoboken, New Jersey.You're gonna, you're gonna get a

(01:28:59):
nice cup of coffee. You're goingto get a bagel scooped or
unscooped, and you're going togo and you're going to go to the
thrift shop and look for drumsor something. You
know, totally, I remember Itexted Joe travers, what's up,
Joe? Joe, what's up? Joe's Joe
walks in odd time. He's like,left, right, left, right, left,

(01:29:20):
left, right, left, right, left,right, right, left. He's in
seven. He's walking seven.
Real quick, real quick. You knowhe was, he was good, he got, he
was gonna go out with EricJohnson. And I'm like, Dude, you
just must be like, You must bejust like, this is years ago. I
was like, You must just be like,in the shed, man. Just like,
he's like, no.

(01:29:43):
He's like, I just listened toit. I'm like,
What's up? Joe travers, we got,we got to have a nice chat,
too, Joe, I called you, and Iwas like, Is this a good deal?
And you were like, like, that.Buy it now. Now don't wait. You.
Uh, get that go to an ATM, ifyou have to, like, get that drum

(01:30:04):
and and that and
ATM,
Hey, so, so, um, here's thedeal. What's your, what's your,
what's your favorite color, uh,
McIntosh green, like grannyapple green.
Never have gotten that that's bythat's because you're a unique

(01:30:25):
individual. Yeah, I like that.What about your favorite food or
dish?
Well, favorite food
is Italian, and if, if it was ona deserted island last meal, uh,

(01:30:45):
kind of boring, but I'd probablyhave to go spaghetti and
meatballs, yeah,
but it's just so great. And thenyou have a some Chianti, and
then you're on a tablecloth, thered and white checkered
tablecloth, yeah, and some guy'sgot an accordion, and you're
just like, I'm ready.
Let's go Amore. Here we go.

(01:31:11):
Ooh, nice press. Oh, my God,
you press. So what about, whatabout favorite drink?
My favorite drink,
adult or all, all
genre may give me milk, youknow, 2% whatever.
Well, my favorite beverage isprobably coffee. Yeah, come on.

(01:31:36):
I mean, I mean talking aboutsomething that I can have any
time of the day, like I can, Ican drink coffee at 10 o'clock
at night and enjoy it. So, yeah,
I will usually not do it at 10o'clock at night, but you're
right. I mean, I could push itto like, six o'clock at night,
something like that. And I don'tknow about you and your touring
mates, but we're like, simpleguys. We're just like, what's

(01:31:58):
our rider on the bus? Thestrongest coffee known to man,
like alien blood, like seepingthrough the whole of the ship.
You know what? I mean, we justgive
us coffee, like a like an engineblock, like the oil pan out of
it. Yeah?
Dude, incredible. He's so easy.So what about your favorite
drummers? Like, you know, if youhad, like, your Mount Rushmore

(01:32:19):
of drummers, um,
I would have to put bottom upthere. And I really love Steve
Smith. Wow,
the open bass drums and thesolos from the 80s, so fluid and

(01:32:40):
awesome. But to hear him, Imean, the guy not to we can go
down a rabbit hole about him,but like to hear him is jazz,
and then, like, the stuff he didwith journey, I mean, I just, I
am like, that's like, it's thesame guy, and it's just to me.
It's just like,

(01:33:01):
oh my god, it's, I love thatvital information, especially
the like 90s vital information,with the fact sonar snare drum
was kind of small, it was alittle bit smooth, you know,
yeah, um, those two, I mean, yougotta mention Vinny, you know. I

(01:33:22):
mean, with the sting stuffalone, you know? I mean,
yeah, and then, you know,
I love Dave Grohl. I love theway I love the veracity of
Dave's playing and and I,growing up, I was a big fan of

(01:33:46):
both Mike Portnoy. I loved thethe early Dream Theater stuff,
and I loved nirvana. I loved theidea of taking veracity and a
vocabulary and and merging themso like, and it's basically kind

(01:34:08):
of like what would become.That's what be, in my opinion.
It's kind of like what JoeyJorgensen did with Slipknot in
those early days, was he tookprowess sheer, like the chops,
but he beat the crap out of thedrums too. So it was like, yeah,

(01:34:28):
that that gets my tail wagging.I like to hear, like, power and
like, you know, Kishi, like,tissue can do that. Tissue can,
like, be coming through a walland then, like, just burn around
the times. You're like, geez.Like, like, all that stuff he
did with, like, pride and glorythat record, I mean, like, he's

(01:34:49):
all over it. It's just that's,
that's what's fun
to me, yeah, man, I think that'sa perfect combination of peanut
butter and chocolate. Is, isthat you. You are. It's a com
it's like a smart cave.
That's the best way I've everheard it put it's like a
caveman that went to communitycollege. And it's like, hey, you

(01:35:12):
know, read Little Women, readCatcher in the Rye, read The
Canterbury Tales, but you'restill very hairy and your
knuckles are scraping the ground100% Yeah, yeah. I love that. We
both feel that way. And I do,you know, I will say this. He
hasn't been on the show yet, butGod bless him. He's asked me to

(01:35:32):
be at four bottom Bonzo bashes,and you've played those. I think
Brian Tisch is one of thegreatest modern rock drummers we
have alive today. 100% I hadagree he has a real special
thing. Yeah, he does. He reallydoes. And you know what? Who
else does? Steve Wilson, Oh,you're too kind. Thank you,

(01:35:55):
buddy. I love it, buddy. I missyou so much. I know that we love
cigars. I love the fact thatyou're living in Nashville right
now. I love that you got, youknow, since you and I met, we
both got great gals. We gothomes. You know, it's, it's,
it's all a great thing. And ifpeople want to come see you this
year with the Dead Kennedys, howdo they find out where to find
you?
They can go to my website, theygo to Steven Wilson music.com or

(01:36:18):
they can cruise over to deadkennedys.com we are currently
nothing in the States right nowon the books, but we are headed,
like I said. We're headed to NewZealand and Australia in
September, and in the meantime,I'm going to be here in town,

(01:36:41):
and I gig around local here andthere when I can, and and then,
if not, I'm in this booth andtalking into a microphone. So
it's good stuff.
I love it. Kenny your office,right? You're like, Hey, you
should do voiceover. And you'redoing the thing, man. You know,
everyone takes Kenny's advice,
and if Kenny gives you someadvice, you should probably take

(01:37:01):
it.
That's dude. I love it. I tellyou what, I probably won't see
in the month of July, becauseit's always everyone's craziest
month festival season. But Iknow that there's an amazing
cigar bar here in Spring Hillcalled the mission. You walk in,
they've got the most insanelyexpensive smoke eaters. You
leave and you're like, oh mygod, did I? Did I go to cigar

(01:37:23):
bar? It was amazing. Was amazingexperience. So we'll do the
thing. So everybody check out.Steven Wilson music.com and the
voiceover is Steve Wilsonvo.com,
Steve Wilson vo.com,
I'm super happy for you. I'mjust very proud of you, and I'm
proud to call your friend. Thankyou Rich. I love you buddy. I

(01:37:45):
love you, man. And hey to allthe listeners, be sure to
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thanks, Steve, this has been therich Redmond show. Subscribe,

(01:38:05):
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