Dream Gigs with a Side of Adversity: Greg Lohman's Remarkable Journey

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Yeah, no, I have a horror, horror buff. Are you
into horror films? Not huge. Imean, I'll watch them, but yeah,
yeah, I like them. Yeah.
They kind of got a little out ofhand recently with a terrifier
mode. Oh, my
God, terrifier takes things to awhole other level. That's not
horror. It's just so gratuitous.It's Gore, it's Gore, just gore.
I didn't see
that one.

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It's, yeah, I won't do it. No,it's just
you can't unsee the thing.
You can't unsee it. But at thesame time, is it more scary to
not be able to unsee it, or morescary to be so desensitized to
it that it doesn't bother you?
The desensitization is a thingthat does happen to all of us

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with everything that's going on,right? Yeah?
Because graphic violence used tobe, like, you know,
traumatizing, yeah, rated R ornow you see somebody you know,
on on, you know, granted, on,on, Walking Dead. At zombies,
they're already dead, but stillgory, yeah, you know. And I
think that that TV series did alot for just, you know, getting

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people desensitized. Well, I
love zombies. I mean, I've seenevery George Romero movie, but
George Romero zombies were slowand dumb and lurking. They're
still coming, but they'rethey're very persistent. They're
coming. They're gonna get you,but it's not like they're
running, no, not like World WarZ all that stuff very fast.

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This is the rich Redmond show
we were recording last night.And the topic of planking came
up, and I said, Yeah, I'm kindof doing some planking. And, you
know, getting into shape andstuff like that. And
until you said, Well, hey, youknow,
how long can you go? I said, Ah,man. I said, at this point

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probably, I could probably do 60seconds ago, and it was like,
almost like, a challenge, kindof going down, I guess, yeah,
you think you can do that? Isaid, I probably could. And just
get them down on the floor anddo it right there. We did it
after we finished in the nextroom, where at least we had
some, like, you know, not woodfloor. And it was Neil myself
and Tully and I lasted twominutes and 15 seconds. That's

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great, Jim, you are still. Ieven did, like, the the RAMBo
rocky thing, where I got Tullywas to my left, yeah. And I was,
I was trying to, you know,psychologically, vibe, a
mountain, in a way. And I wentoff. I'm like, Hey, you good and
everything. I said, I'm lookingyou look like you're struggling
there. And I kind of got on myside. I said, Give me a fist

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bump. And everybody in the roomwas like, Whoa. Look at Jim with
the one arm. Push up, dude.Yeah, we fist bumped. And is
this eventually, I didn't. Hebeat me. He went three minutes,
10 seconds. Hey,
that's a long plank. Because, Imean, some people are trying to
do the five minute plank, right?You know, like,
but, you know, for a guy that'smy size, and I'm getting into

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it, you know, I'm exactly notfreaking all Schwarzenegger at
this point.
That's great, dude. Three Minuteplank is amazing. Oh, two
minutes. Hey, is this a newthing where we kind of, like,
ease into it. We're like, Yeah,let's,
you know, rip down that fourthwall and just, just let
everybody in. That's right.
Because we do, we do have agreat guess. How are you? How
have you been since yesterday?Yeah, what has happened since?

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Yes, did you
have a good burrito and a cigar?
I did. I didn't go to the scarthe cigar bar last night, and I
and I had one, and the gentlemanthat I was with, um, his lasted
hours, yeah, I mean hours. And Iwas mine. You ever Casa Cuba? I
had, like, a monta Monte Cristoor something like that, which

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always makes me think of a CountDracula, no mount de Cristo is,
is that sandwich that you dip inthe batter at the member, it was
like a ham sandwich, and youwould dip it in the batter, the
Monte Cristo.
You know, looking at me, youshould, you should think that I
know these things.
Hey, so Jimbo, this is the richRedmond show. Always exciting,
because this is this new format.Well, start

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rolling. Wait a minute, is it?Is that? What that says behind
you?
It is the rich Redmond show.It's like, I want to get into
this, because this is like acelebration. We got a great
drummer with us, hailing from totopless Teutopolis. It sounds
Greek, but he says it's Germanto topless Illinois, calling
Nashville home since 2000 he isa Grammy nominated drummer. He's

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been gainfully employed for avery long time in Nashville.
They played with Easton Corbinfrom 2017 to 2025 he was Kelly
picklers, MD and drummer from2006 to 2017 he was Aaron with
Aaron Tippin from 2003 to 2006and currently seven years since
2018 as the adjunct percussioninstructor at lipskin

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University, I'm talking aboutour friend Greg Loman. What's
up, buddy? I'm pretty good. Howare you? Man, it's great to have
you here.
Thanks for the applause. Yeah.
So, um, you were telling me youlive. How about We're about an
hour apart,
yeah, north of town. Yeah, Ilike it. It's kind of a little
rural area. How long you beenout there? Here. Oh, since 2006

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Yeah, bought a house, I see. Andshe, you know, it's the American
dream. The drummer buys a house,
yep. And the further out of townyou get, the cheaper it's yes.
And can you? Can you make allthe noise? And the neighbors
are, can Yep, got a basement?Nice.
Yeah. You gotta have a it's rareto find a basement in Nashville.
It is. Although, I will say atthe moment, my basement is
cleared out because I had somewater issues. So I do like the

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basement, but I don't like themright now. Do you,
well, do you? Did you getflooded?
Yes, kind of a long story, but IYes, some I had a leaky pipe
that was leaking outside andgoing right back inside, through
the foundation, got that fixed,and then a couple weeks ago, got
a bunch of rain, and the rainwater found this way in. So, oh,

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gosh, yeah, God, I hate that. So
it's a basement in the truestsense of the word, that it's
actually under the ground,
yes, yeah, that's built on aslope. So the front of the house
is underground, yeah, and thenthe back is not. I had one
of those growing up. We had,like, the most, like the
greatest garage ever, you know,two car garage, but separated in
the middle with a staircase. Andwe had rooms that went beyond

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that, like scary rooms when wewere a kid. But one of them, we
turned into an office andsubsequently became my drum
room, which, yeah, it wasawesome.
Speaking of scary and beingkids, are you guys scared of
dolls?
Because I hate dolls. Like, whatkind of like? Well, they tons on
the doll,
you know? I mean, like the girldolls, you know that, and
they're like this, and they'rein their little dresses with the

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pigtails and stuff. And the kidsin the 760s, 70s, would play
with these dolls.
My daughter, to this day, hasshe had a little toy when she
was a baby, wait, and she calledit baby doll. Yeah, she still
does to this day. Still has itcute 18 years, but that wasn't a
creepy doll. But I get whatyou're saying, yeah. I mean,
my at my grandmother's house,this doll would be there, and I

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was, everybody knew I wasdeathly afraid of this thing. I
mean, I hope that thing is justrotting in hell. So
what do you think the fear ofclowns came from? Like,
everybody has, like, thisirrational fear of clowns, I'm
gonna say it came from the moviePoltergeist, because, to your
point about dolls, remember thatscene where he's sitting in the
bed, and the clown doll issitting in the chair

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looking under the bed, and thenit's behind him, right?
Dude, that movie freakingtraumatized me. Oh, it's
interesting, that whole clownthing, because I've seen guys
that are scared of them, andthey won't, they won't have
anything to do with it. Theyrun, run the other way, yeah,
yeah. And
then Stephen King really took itto another level.

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Yeah. But do you think that'slike, do you think it originated
from and that's a
good question. I feel like, Idon't know. I think people have
always had an issue with clowns,
yeah, but clowns were, you know,I didn't have an issue, issue
with them, until that movie,like, you know, and then he had
killer clowns from outer space,but that was his camping, yeah,
you know, yeah, no, I'm, I havea horror, horror buff. Are you

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into horror films? Uh,
not huge. I mean, I'll watchthem, but yeah, I like them.
Yeah,
they kind of got a little out ofhand recently with a terrifier.
Oh, my God. Terrifier takesthings to a whole other level.
That's not horror. It's just sogratuitous. It's gore. It's
Gore, just gore. I
didn't see that one. It's, yeah,I won't do it. No. It's just,

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you can't unsee the things. Youcan't unsee it. But at the same
time, is it more scary to not beable to unsee it, or more scary
to be so desensitized to it thatit doesn't bother you?
The desensitization is a thingthat does happen to all of us
with
everything that's going on,right? Yeah, because

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graphic violence used to be,like, you know, traumatizing,
yeah, rated R or now you seesomebody, you know, on, on, you
know, granted on, Walking Dead.At zombies, they're already
dead, but still gory, yeah, youknow. And I think that that TV
series did a lot for just, youknow, getting people
desensitized. Well, I lovezombies.
I mean, I've seen every GeorgeRomero movie, but George Romero

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zombies were slow and dumb andlurking. They're still coming,
but they're they're verypersistent. They're coming.
They're gonna get you, but it'snot like they're running No,
not like World War Z all thatstuff
very fast. So I don't even knowhow this all happened, but this

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is a great conversation. Yeah,Jim. Jim likes to, you know, my
thing is, I'm definitely want tohave a free flowing
conversation, but I definitelywant to make sure that we, you
know, people, get some takeawaysabout what really makes Greg
tick is a drummer like, youknow, we're, we might be about
the same age. Yeah, you'reprobably a little older than me.

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I think so I'm older thaneveryone. I'm older and five
years older than Jim. Youwouldn't know it. It's crazy
today, my physical therapist wasis 35 years old. I said, Oh my
god, we're 20 years apart. Youcould be my son. He's crazy, and
he had great. Hair. Oh, wow.This 35 year old guy had gray
hair. So when did you startplaying? How old were you and

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why? What was the spark? Well,
I did the whole pots and pansthing in the basement. Got to do
it, you know, yeah, yeah. But Ijust, I've always had a
fascination with drumming,drummers, drumming, and so I
just set up what I thought was adrum set, yeah, went at it, and
then, uh, my aunt and uncle hadan old kind of beat up kit, and
they let me use it. So I setthat up and started playing on

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it, not really knowing what Iwas doing. This is beat like,
you know, I don't know how old Iwas, probably six or seven. Do
you remember the first beat youplayed? I don't remember the
first beat, but I do rememberplaying along to the Huey Lewis
sports album. Oh, really. What agreat yes and interesting still,
to this day out, that's a greatrecord. It's an
amazing record, yeah, yeah, Imean, and it's funny, because
there's a couple of songs onthere that I believe have drum

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machine,
yeah, or programmed Yeah. I'm
trying to think of one of thesongs Jim's in a Huey Lewis
tribute band, yeah. And he'splaying the city, city winery
on May 28 Are you may 28 Yeah,I'll have to go check it out.
Oh, no pressure for me. Butyeah, every drummer in town
is going to be there, becauseI've been announcing it on this
podcast. You know, it
was announced this morning. Whatmy entire BNI chapter, they're

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going to pay for those who wantto go. In terms of people in the
chapter, they should go see youin a different light, man.
Because, you know, one of theguys in the chapters, the guitar
player, that's right, he's
a nice fellow. It's crazy.That's great. Oh, yeah. Just,
is it all Huey or
all Huey? Okay, and there's a,there's a 12 minute piece that
goes from a couple days off intoboys are back in town, which is
a flipping workout. Yeah? Wow.12 minutes.

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12 minute shuffle with a drumsole in the middle, right? Yeah.
That's only like a two bardrops, two bars, maybe four bar,
342, together. Yeah, it's about,so it's about the length. So I'm
trying to plan what I'm gonnado, like a triplet, double bass
feel, yeah, because it's, youknow, a couple days off is like

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hot for teacher, but reallyslow. Yes,
actually, you know, Josh Rosen,he does these, like tribute
shows. From time to time, he dida Huey one, and I got to play on
it, yeah? This is last year, Ibelieve. And I'm not a double
bass guy by any means, but Iborrowed one and worked up that,
right, yeah? Because you
see a lot of guys do it, they dothe right foot pattern. I tried

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doing that, but it just didn'tfeel right. I needed to you.
Either got to ride that floortom on the the one twos and
threes, or, yeah,
I gotta hear this track, man,yeah. So it's just a slow you
know, all I want is a coupledays off.

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There it is, yeah, does? It'slike, Bill got a double pedal
and he wanted to use it, right?We like Bill. I asked him when,
when we were talking to him. Isaid, were you kind of able to
Van Halen at that point? He'slike, No,
you know, we love bill. Yeah,yeah. So, what was the first
band or the first drummer thatyou were like, Dude, this is the

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thing. Ooh, that's goodquestion. Oh, Jim and I were MTV
kids,
yeah. So my first band, and Istill love them to this day.
Def, Leppard, all right, yeah,
gonna have to ask Bri, you know,pre, the arm, or, well, the arm,
I guess, is probably his stereowhen I first so that's, that's
when he post arm. That was post,what one arm, Yeah, cuz

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photograph is when he had botharms, yeah. But then I obviously
looked into him and saw thewhole story, and yeah, but yeah,
all the stuff before that Ireally liked. You
gotta love the fact that they,you know, they they worked with
him, and they found a way. They
made her they made a very funway to make it work.
Very sweet. Can you imagine
what was going through his head?You know, the whole your whole
life flashes before, everything,everything you worked for.

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You're at the height of yourfame and your success, and you
lose your arm,
crazy, right? It's like, youknow,
I'm done, and then you
have to re train yourself to
play with like, nine pedals?Yeah, I have no idea how he does
it. Have you ever tried to playthe snare part with your foot?
No, that's,
yeah, art man, yeah. Be crazy.

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He's, he's great. I've got to.I've meet him a couple times,
and, uh, super nice guy. Seemslike
a very approachable guy. Yeah,yeah.
They all, they all do. They all,all those bands seem to be,
like, really humble now, justlike, whatever. And
they still, I saw them a coupleyears ago. They still sound
killer live, really, yeah,
pour some sugar on me. Has to beone of the most played bar strip

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club songs in the entire world.Well,
that's how it became popular.Did you know that because of
strip clubs, strip clubs, huh?It wasn't that they released the
record, released a couple songsthat did okay, but they spent,
obviously, millions on therecord. And then strip clubs in
Florida started playing that,and it just Yeah. And
strip clubs in Florida, let'sface it, are good for them.

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Usually it's one of those hotbeds that's like Vegas, of
attractive people, Vegas,Dallas, Dallas. US, Los Angeles,
Florida, all
those strip clubs still have alunch shift. Yeah, you
don't want to go to that. Imean, the chicken wings might be
good, but the staff is not good.We had,
we had lunch at the library inVegas, yeah, they were an

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advertiser for the radiostation, and we went to their
lunch buffet, and that was it'slike from that scene in the
office where Darryl tells Dwightnot to go to the strip club.
He's like, you can't. It's theday shift at a strip club.
Dwight, you can't unsee that
now all the pregnant girls,yeah, yeah. Cesarean. Lot of C
sections, lot of C sectionscars. Gosh, you don't get this

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on the other drum cup podcast,you just don't. So you did the
whole thing, right? The Did youdo the all region marching band,
concert band, the whole Yeah,
but I was from a small town, andwe didn't even have a football
team, so the marching band wehad was we did, like, two
parades, and that's about it,yeah. But then when I went to

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college, I did the two years ofthat was
Eastern Illinois, EasternIllinois University, and then
your Master's from theUniversity of Tennessee,
Knoxville. Yes. Who teachesthere?
I went there mainly for drums.Head, Keith Brown. Keith
Brown, that's William Ellis.Yeah, went there, yep, he

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did, yeah. And then Michaelcombs was the percussion guy. So
I got an assistantship, so Iwould teach, like, legit
classical percussion. But mymain focus there was studied
with Keith and yeah, DonaldBrown was there, the jazz
pianist at the time. So I got agood, good dose of jazz stuff
when I was
in. He's great. He does it all.I mean, you could see, you could

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find him on a marimba. You couldsee he's playing timpani in the
orchestra, and then he's playingjazz and his tuxedo. It's like
covering all the bases, man, youknow, right? You kind
of see yourself coming toNashville or, yeah,
I knew I wanted to end up here.And that's kind of why I went to
grad school in Knoxville. Iauditioned at MTSU and UT in
Knoxville as well, so, but Iended up doing going there,

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which I'm really glad I did. Butafter that, I knew I would end
up in Nashville, yeah.
And then when I met you in 2000you were involved with the
Johnny rap drumstick company,yes, so rhythm saw, yeah. How
does that? How did that allhappen? Man,
it's kind of a long story, butit's I go back to is when I was

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in college in Knoxville. I goback to this one moment, to
where, if I wouldn't have doneit, I feel like my whole life
would be different, like Iprobably wouldn't be here right
now, you know? So I was in athink it's a wind ensemble
rehearsal or orchestra rehearsalplaying timpani. It's late in
the afternoon, and they have aTennessee Valley Fair, and they

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have acts come through there.Remember the kinleys?
Yes, they're great. So Kurtdated one of the kenleys. He
dated Heather, my really mybuddy. Okay, wow,
yeah. So anyway, they wereplaying that night at the fair,
and I was going to go, but I wasin this rehearsal, it was like a
long day. Wasn't feeling thegreatest. I was like, I don't
know if I'm going to go, but Iwent and George Lawrence was

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playing drums with him at thetime. Nice. That's right, yeah.
And it was great. So after theshow, I went up to him, said,
Hey, met him, and it's supernice. He's like, Yeah, I teach
out of Nashville, so if you everwant to come out. So I started
taking lessons from like, youknow, every six weeks I drive
over, yeah?
But he introduced me to Johnny,Johnny rap, yeah.

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So that's how I met Johnny. Andwhen I was getting ready to move
to town, he was like, man, wejust need help around the office
here in town. Would you itdoesn't pay much, but would you
be interested as a kick? Yeah.So yeah, nine to five, I would
go help him around there. Andthen you don't go it at night
and start networking and allthat, but that's how I met like
yourself and a lot of drummersaround town, was through that

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stick company, yeah. And you
had the office above drumparadise, which is now the drum
pad where I teach, yes. And
before that, it was at soundcheck. I went, right, there's a
sound check. And then we movedto drum paradise, yeah.
And then our next guest, who'scoming in, John McTighe, the
third was one of your artists,and he developed these brush
hybrid brushes called webs. Thewebs, yep, and they were, they

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were brushy, but there'splastic, plastic, and there's
like, three layers there, each adifferent length? Yeah, yeah,
work, great.
I've got some somewhere I dotoo, in a bag somewhere.
There's so many inventors inthis space.
There really is. It's and it'sreally hard to get a music
auxiliary product to be sticky,right? Like, big fat, like,

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snare drum. Did it, you know,like, lug locks, did it, right?
Drum dial, did it. But I mean,Moon gels are, I mean, it's
like, I kind of stopped usingMoon gels. There's so many other
products, yeah, what do you usenow? I mean, I like Gaff. I
like, you know, the drum taco. Ilike the big fat snare drum.

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Comes,
I have a Mr. Muff, yeah, Mr.Muff. Don't
know about the Mr. Muff. It's,it's a,
you put, like a big, heavywasher in it, or not to wait on
the snare drum, but typically itkind of clamps down and it's a
big, like, a big mustache, yeah,you know, yeah, I've seen those.
Yeah. I got it at the Music Citydrum show coming up in July,
which
I guess we will have a booth atwe're gonna have a booth so Jim

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will be there on the Saturday ofthe Music City drum show, and
then I'll be there on theSunday. Yeah, and what are we
gonna do at our booth? We'regonna have merch, merch babies
in my books, and we'll hang out
just, you know, kiss babies andsmell roses and, yeah, shake
hands, do the thing. Yeah. Befine. Where's rich? He's not
here. You got me though.

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I produced the podcast. All
right, that's right, that'sright,
important, yeah,
man, so I liked my Johnnybecause I was with regal tip
before that, yeah? And then, youknow, I was with you guys. I
loved
them too, and I hate they kindof went away, but, yeah, I told
you about my idea, right? Andthen Johnny went away. You know,
Johnny Rab went away. He movedto, he's

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also Indy, and used indies withcollective soul, yeah, yeah.
It's been
a great help for him,
yeah, still a great dude, and westill keep in touch. And he's
awesome. He's one
of those guys I saw advertisingbecause they did the rhythm.
Saw, I think, as it was JohnnyRab drumsticks, and it was like
the silhouette of the dude withthe it looked like a skater,
yeah, it was kind of silhouetteof him, right? And it was

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always, like a quarter page adin Modern Drummer, which I can't
imagine how much that cost,peace, really? Yeah, I don't
know, but yeah, it was one ofthose things that, you know, I
always knew his name. And then Iwas visiting my brother in
Michigan, and they had a greatmusic store there, and I would
always go. We would always go,and I'd always have, you know, I
played the electric drums,because why not? And they had a

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an educational video, like aDCi, VHS video on of Jim Keltner
and Johnny Rabb and Johnny wasshowing him the free hand
technique, yeah, I sat andwatched that thing for had to be
20 minutes. I was just mouthagape, yeah?
I mean, very few people havethat
ability to express themselvesrhythmically, yeah?

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And he makes it look soeffortless. He really does.
Yeah. He
must have practiced a lot. Yeah,
he, he and I went to lunch, andhe was, he was trying to, he's
like, I need to do a triplestroke roll. Like, why? You mean
the three in each other that,yeah, we do it. Then after a
while, you just start lettingthe sticks bounce. That becomes
a

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buzz roll, yeah, yeah. Like,let's just make it a, you know,
quadruple stroke, you know, it'slike an educator,
one of the hardest things toteach is the, you know, the
machine gun double stroke rolland then have it be super, super
DVI, open and clean, right?Because I basically tell the
kids, like, look it, it's mamadata. And you want the second
stroke to be just as articulateas the first stroke. You don't

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want to bounce it. You want themto be both as articulate as
possible. And to do that, youknow, you just got to be with
your metronome. And you get intothe duck, a duck, a bird, duck,
a duck, a bird. But I thought itwas Hugga duck, a bird. Hug a
duck. A Burr, hug a duck, abird, right? I thought
it was ding ding da Gaga,telling
them about what the goal is, andthen how to get it and and what

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happens in between is me tellingthem, oh, it's just you go. You
just
muscle memory, it takes a whileto to work it up towards all
even, yeah. I mean, I notbouncing.
I think I really spent my youthdoing that, right. You know, I
thought it was your marchingband years. Well, definitely
four years in high school, fouryears in college. And did you
march at UNT? I did. I did notung, I did it at Texas Tech,

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okay, and then in high school.So in both my high school and
Texas Tech had 400 like, giant400 piece marching bands. Wow,
you know, but they and they wereboth drum lines, were match
script drum lines, which hasworked really great. Okay, me, I
just it was a fluke that theywere both match script drum
lines, because I only play matchgrip. I didn't
have that luck, yeah, so I'dnever, like I said, I didn't

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really march in high school, wedidn't have a football team, so
just did a couple parades. WhenI went to college, I had to
march two years. First year Idid bass drum. Second year I did
snare drum, traditional grip.But I'm left handed, so I
typically lead with left hand,but I couldn't obviously, yeah,
so which, looking back, itreally helped my right hand, but

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I had to learn how to play righthand. Lead and but
you play your drum settraditionally, set up, yes, but
I
I'm open ended. Open like, yeah,yeah. Now
was that because, yeah, Carterhe, he just sat down at a drum
set and automatic. He never sawanybody play it that way.
It makes crossover the openhanded thing, right? But, no, I

(24:42):
started completely backwards,like left footed, like this. Oh,
you did that. I did. And thenwhen I went to college, my
instructor, my undergrad,suggested I do the open handed
thing. Yeah, at the time, Iwasn't thrilled about it, but
looking back is the best thingmakes it a lot easier to sit in.
It? Yes, sharing, a kit,sharing. And I just like the

(25:03):
approach of the open handed morethan the cross. Yeah,
have you played open handed?Much rich you ever try? Um,
you know, there's that beautifulbook that we all kind of work
out in our youth called the thenew breed, by Gary Chester. And
the whole idea behind the bookis to play the entire book,
leading with your left orleading with your race, so you
can kind of get close to beingambidextrous. The only time I

(25:25):
play open hand is, is when Iwant to sound incredibly sloppy
and self talk.
It's kind of like handwritingwith your left hand. Yeah, you
want to this left
hand is just really for justsmashing gigantic bag beats,
yeah,
I have to do it when I play.Don't stop believing
that's, yeah, that's how we did,the way it's done. Oh, over

(25:45):
here.
Yep, exactly. It does all theother patterns with his right
hand. Pretty brilliant drumpart. And it's like, it doesn't
work without it. It's veryorchestral. Yeah, lot of colors,
a lot of colors. Yeah, Bell, theride symbol.
So you're a, I mean, everybodylikes Steve Smith, but who are
some of your guys
drumming guys? Yeah, ooh, I likepicaro a lot.

(26:09):
Yeah. So you bury the beatermost of the time. I don't you
pull off, even for rock,
yeah, all the time I pull Yeah.I just, I like the sound of the
big drum better, like that. Doyou I bury for rock, yeah, yeah,
but no, I pull off foreverything, yeah, yeah. And then
Gad, obviously, I'm a big fan of

(26:31):
man, it's hard to
you're a young ha guy, aren'tyou? Yes? Mickey curry, yeah,
yeah. Speaking of, when was itthe end of two or 2019 we did a
show in Okinawa. Me and a fewothers of the band flew to Tokyo
just to take a few days off.Yeah, Gad was playing at the

(26:54):
Blue Note in Tokyo. Yamaha guy.So we got the connection. I got
to check out the Yamaha factoryover there and go check out the
show.
That'd be cool. I mean, I I makeno, you know, I try not to hide
it. I love Yamaha drums. Yeah,that's
what you played when you firststandard.
They're just so great. Therecording customs, yep,

(27:14):
the ones that Courtney made mesell, you know, I'm joking. She
hates it when I say that, didyou have Yamaha drums that you
sold? I did. I set a stagecustoms, yeah, but with a 20
inch kick. But they did soundvery good, yeah, but I looked,
you know, gargantuan behindthem, yeah, because they're so
tiny, yeah,

(27:34):
the 20 inch it's been a whilesince I played the 20 inch kick,
yeah. What are you 2424
Yeah, I need a 26
right? I'm still a 22 guy. And
you played a 22 with Kelly andAaron and yeah, Easton, yeah.
And
then I had with Kelly andEastern I had a little 18 out to
the side, little remote kicktoo. Oh yeah.

(27:56):
For loops, yeah. So instead ofloops being on tracks, you would
actually
them, yeah. So do that in alittle side scenario, but then
they go away
when you come in on the course.That's the only problem with
that approach, right?
Yes, but, um, that could begood, right? Well, with Easton,
I controlled the track, so Iwould put the loop back in

(28:17):
during the course, so that stillstayed there, but I would play
it when it wasn't there, that
is cool, yeah? Because we have,we have a lot of loops on worth
me just hanging out on the firstverse. Yeah, I don't like doing
that, and so I have all sorts ofrole in products that I could
emulate and perform the looplive. But it's just so much
easier just to have everythinggoing out front on Pro Tools. So

(28:39):
that's why I incorporate so muchpercussion, yeah, so I'll pick
up shakers and be like, youknow, and then throw them behind
me, splat them, and I'm inbecause it's show biz, right?
You throw
them, huh? You just throw thembehind you. Leave it at the
Johnny to catch them. Don'treally do that, but sounds maybe
like, you know, throw it on theground like the video sounds

(29:01):
better? Yeah. I took my shakerand I threw it on the ground
spot. Ah,
well, look at all these otherfolks that you played with. Man,
you you subbed for Lady a CraigCampbell, should Daisy, Josh
Turner, Ty Herndon, TrentWillman, Katrina Ellie's names
are bringing memories back.Yeah? Brian McComas, this like
late 90s, early aughts,

(29:23):
no artists in the aughts, yeah,yeah. And
then you've been in some housebands. You backing up folks like
Steve Cropper, legend DariusRucker, big and rich Kip Moore,
got any favorites or interestingstories from all these brushes
with celebrities,
I will say, so this past year,the a lot of those were from a

(29:45):
after party on this, after theCMA Awards, yeah.
So this last year, l King was onit, and
Rob Schneider's daughter, yes,yeah. And
she was kind of added lastminute, and so we got this
stuff, maybe a. Day or twobefore, or the tune she was
doing. And we didn't have muchinfo or anything, but she came

(30:06):
in and it was awesome. Crush.She was, yeah, she was great.
She was a lot of fun sayingGreat. And it was just, I don't
know, I had a great time doing Imean, I always had fun doing it,
but she really kind of impressedme, because I've heard stories
of, you know, she had to drinkor two, but, oh yeah, New Year's
Eve, yeah, but she was, she waspregnant, expecting, so she was

(30:28):
sober, and it was awesome,
you know, I guess, speaking ofVegas strip clubs, I think in
the 70s, you know, pregnantwomen smoke and drank, and we
still, somehow, it turned outwe're fine, yeah, you
know, no post nasal drip.Speaking of a Vegas strip clubs,
as we were talking aboutearlier, yeah, Courtney actually
saved Rob Schneider, it at theSpearman Rhino from a falling

(30:52):
plate platter of shrimp. Wow,
so that Courtney's his wife.Yes, my wife. And
that is a story that
pretty cool to tell. Yeah, hekind of looked up at her because
he was, you know, blasted out ofhis mind, and she she saw what
was happening. She saw thewaitress, I guess, tripping over

(31:12):
something and falling, andeverything was in slow motion.
Rob was like walking in front ofher, and she just instinctively
grabbed his arm and moved himout of the way, and right where
he was standing all the all theshrimp fell, oh yeah. And he
just kind of, like, looked up,like, like, in that Rob
Schneider, Fauci was like,thanks.

(31:35):
And Courtney was like, You'rewelcome. Oh
my god. Do you guys ever seethat movie? The wrong Missy on
Netflix, God, he is fantastic.Do yourself a favor. I have seen
this thing probably 20 times. Itnever fails to amuse me. It's
Rob Schneider, David Spade, thisgirl and Lauren lapkis, who's
been support in so manycomedies. But this is she's

(31:58):
she's like CO lead, and shesteals the
show. She is. She plays acharacter that is just
monumentally, like, douche,chill, annoying, like, cringe
worthy, embarrass. You feelembarrassed.
Is this a movie or a show?Movie? Wrong? Messy. Okay, up
tonight. Yes. All right, you arewelcome, because that

(32:20):
who's the one that good one man,oh, gosh,
Jason Siegel's in it, and heshows everything. Oh,
is that the one where he's wherehe's writing about Count
Dracula? Oh,
oh, what is that with it? Andit's with what's her name? She's

(32:42):
gorgeous. Kristen Bell, Well,Kristen, well, she's in.
And then the girl from the 70sshow, right? Ah,
you know her? Yes, Katherine
Heigl, no, she was in for, thisis 40 and knocked up this,
oh my gosh, yeah, that 70 show.
She's, like, exotic looking.She's gorgeous. She's drop dead

(33:03):
gorgeous.
Yeah, totally Yeah. And she'salso on The Simpsons, um, Family
Guy, Family Guy, she plays, Meg,yeah, Meg, the daughter, oh,
I wanna say Nia Vardalos, butthat's not, that's not who it
is. So let's look
up Family Guy right now. Guys,we got, we got, we got, Seth
McFarlane, Mila.
Mila, yes, yeah, ding, ding,ding, yikes.

(33:24):
Now that is a good movie too.
She's like, Dracula musical.Dracula musical.
What the heck was the name ofthat movie? Well, he does a full
frontal noon in that movie,
dude, it's credible. I know,Jesus,
I don't remember that. I mean,it's the willingness to do,

(33:45):
can't
you can't not see it becauseit's like a baby's arm holding
an apple. Oh, really. Oh gosh,massive. Good for him, exactly.
Hey,
take to the internet and findout what that movie you want me
pull the picture up is. No, doyou want to see? I want you to
tell me what the name of the
movie. Okay, um, your wish is mycommand. Yeah, man, so

(34:05):
Aaron Tippins, the first bigmarquee guy, yeah. And you're
backing this guy up. He'sbuilding bikes on stage. He is
and, and, you know you're, youknow you're making your making
your your money. You're gotmaybe somebody helping you set
up stuff. You got three solidmeals a day. You're on the bus,
you're seeing these UnitedStates. Yeah. I mean, that had
to feel good. Oh

(34:26):
yeah, yeah, because that's whatI moved to Nashville to do. So
it took three years to get findthat job, yep. So I was playing
around town and doing that wholenetworking thing. Did you do the
lower Broadway thing? Oh yeah,yeah. Still am, from time to
time. Well,
you go down there, yeah, with,you know, can kind of curate the
band, or like guys that you likeare like,
hey, yeah, but buddies, I know.And yeah, I like playing with
guys I know. And

(34:46):
what are the rooms that arestill kind of fun for you to
play? Because there's acorporate bars that have, like,
rolling kits
and stuff I don't, I haven'tdone those, yeah? But like
legends, I like AJs, which usedto be the wheel,
yeah? I like Legends. Yeah, thatwas some of my first playing in
town. Was it? Yeah, in thewindow, yeah, right, with all
the passers

(35:06):
by, yeah? Forgetting SarahMarshall.
Fantastic. Okay, you know,forget, forget, Forgetting Sarah
Marshall. I'm forgettingeverything.
It's been happening to me a lot,dude, yeah,
have you been noticing
on you or me on you. Yes, I've
been really bad with names.Rick, oh god. Steve,

(35:26):
no, it's horrible. Steve, what
was the like when he first gothere? He came here in 2000 Yeah,
what was like? You know, was itoverwhelming, or did we prepared
for it? Or what did I do? Oh mygosh, I made the wrong decision.
I don't know what I got myselfinto. Was any of that crossing
the mind? That's a good
question. No, I do remember,though, at one time, like I was

(35:48):
working a day job with JohnnyRAM. I go out at night, start
getting gigs, and the pay backthen was like next to nothing,
right? So, you know, I wasmaking lunches change, no, you
know, seven bucks an hour, youknow, at the, you know, stick
company, and then playing atnight for 20 some bucks. Yeah,
at the end of the week, I'mlike, I'm losing money. Yeah, I

(36:09):
got a master's degree, and hereI'm not even making enough money
to, you know, yeah, so that Iremember feeling that as I call
like, how, what am I doing? ButI just kept pushing forward. How
long did
it take till you felt like,Okay, I'm on to something here.
Um, well, when I got the gigwith Aaron, it took a while. I

(36:29):
felt like it took a while,because I would just be doing a
three years
is a long time to be suffering.
Yeah, it is and but just inplaying and feel like I'm going
in circles. But looking back,I'm glad I did that, because I
made a bunch of connections, andeven to this day, still keeping
touch with guys I met from backthen. So, so I feel like, you

(36:50):
know, a gig would end, I wouldstill have something, as opposed
to just jumping into somethingright away. When I moved to
town, I wouldn't have gonethrough all that, you know,
yeah, so I'm glad I had to, kindof, course, yeah, go through the
dues. Paying is Grant isfantastic. I remember, you know,
in 1997 my first year in town,just kind of like having some,
like, really sad nights with a,you know, a spoon and some

(37:11):
Haagen Dazs going, like, Dude, Iwas, like, one of the top
drummers in Dallas, and I can'tget arrested here, not making
any money. I got to work theseday jobs. I was a substitute
teacher. I parked the cars. Iwaited tables. Did the you know,
now,
did you guys consciously avoiddoing like construction? I
didn't like construction. Youdid not need to do it,
though. I did it for thiscompany called manpower. It was

(37:34):
kind of like a staffing agent,see, and like one of the jobs I
did, I had to do a remodel onthe Talbots in green hills. It
was a, it's across from theBluebird. Okay, yeah. So, you
know, they were ripping upcarpet and stuff, and, you know,
I was mostly, they kind of tooka look at me, and they're like,

(37:55):
let him sweep and go get lunch,that kind of stuff. You know, I
wasn't, like, lifting heavythings. They
didn't give you a sledgehammerto let you go to it and do demo
No, really no. So cathartic.Yeah,
yeah. I did one job for thestaffing agency where we had to
take documents, a gigantic 18foot trailer of dust laden

(38:17):
ancient documents, and we had tounload them, to burn them, and
talk about my allergies, going,Oh my God, all the dust from
these documents, 40 year olddocuments that were being
burned. Not
crazy, no, yeah. Not fun. No,
we. I mean, there's people thatthis is their life. They do this

(38:39):
kind of work every day in andout,
yeah, but look at back, like, Iwas just thankful the whole
Johnny rap thing came up, andbecause you were in the
industry, you were meetingpeople. Yeah, it was a great
networking tool for me too.Yeah, you know, um, so, yeah,
very thankful.
And please tell me you got some,like, discount drama six. I did,
yeah, fantastic.
Yeah. It was actually they madethe sticks in tune Tennessee,

(39:01):
which is south of Jackson. Sowe'd go there once, Tennessee
hickory, yeah, yeah. They allchopped down there, made there,
which, that doesn't happen withother stick companies. They
bring the wood in from otherplaces. And, yeah,
that's right, yeah. I feel likepro markets, it's wood from
Tennessee.
Uh, good chance, yes, I'm notpositive. Strong, chance, yeah.

(39:22):
And every time they kill a tree,they plant which plant, yeah,
which
is nice. They have to. It'stheir inventory, at least the
raw materials. Yes, do you haveto do that? I mean, it will
make sense. You want it, youshould, yes, gotcha. Because,
because
I have an idea for a stickcompany, because we need another
stick company.

(39:42):
I don't know if I should say ithere, should I? Well,
don't I mean, I have the domain.We've talked about it before.
Oh, I got you. Yeah, you betternot mention that, because
somebody will steal it.
Yeah, yeah.
We'll talk off camera.
Maybe he'll invest Yeah, maybeI. Yeah. So
you're doing tipping, yeah. Andthen while you're playing with

(40:04):
them, you get the yes, you goover to Kelly. Now, are these,
are these, like overlappingthings, or there were, did some
of the guys in the band go withyou? Or how did the begat,
begat, begat thing happen? So
I was playing with Aaron andloving it. Yeah, right. I don't
know. He did what 6070 shows ayear and
manageable? Yeah, he seems likea good guy. Yeah, he is.

(40:25):
And then a buddy of mine, Dale,got hired as the MD for Kelly to
put to put the band together forKelly, and this is right after
she did American Idol, yeah, sohe wouldn't know if I would want
to do it. And at the time, I waslike, I don't know, because
she's untested, right? And shehad four gigs, was that all she
had? But it's all like, TVshows, yeah? So it's like, at

(40:48):
the very least, because withAaron, we did, really didn't do
any TV so like, at the veryleast, I get that experience,
and then it may end or it maynot, so I don't know. So I took
the leap and then got 11 yearsout of it. Yeah, I know. Yeah,
amazing.
That's really sad about KyleJacobs, yeah, so it was her,

(41:09):
were they still married at thetime? Yeah, he committed
suicide. Yeah, what? Yeah. Verystrange, because I would run
into him all the time, like wewere, you know, super good dude
part of the community. I'd runinto him at the tin roof, or I'd
see him every tin roof, or I'dsee him at writers
nights, yeah, songwriter. He wasdating her, or married. They're
married, yeah, really. And washe, what? Was he in the band? Or

(41:31):
no, he's like, a songwriter,songwriter, producer, but he'd
come on the road quite a bit,hang out now, really good dude.
Yeah. It really shocked me whenI heard all that too. Were they
still married at the time? Oh mygosh. Had no idea. He said, wow,
yeah. So, I mean, you go fromAaron tip, and, you know, you've
been, you were him with him forseveral years, yeah. And then

(41:56):
let me get, I know we're goingback here, but I mean, a lot of
the was that kind of, like, thefirst gig of, like, you know,
pinch me. I can't believe I'm,you know, it's a, it's a
formidable country name,
right? And for me, yes, and Igrew up listening to country
music, and my parents had radioon all the time, so I was
familiar with a lot of hisstuff. So to get to play those

(42:18):
live was a lot of fun, you know,
I bet was that the firstinstance of, like, wow, you
know, yeah, like, I star struckin a way, right? Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, and itwas just kind of, because at the
time, you know, I had never doneanything like that, like, Can I
do this? Like, I feel like Ican, but you've been able to do

(42:38):
it. And, you know, just thefirst experience was it was
really good. He's a great dude,yeah, he's a good band, a great
band leader. And so it was justa really good first gig for me.
Yeah.
So you also, during all of thistime, you know you were at, you
were you're teaching percussionas a adjunct professor at Tsu
for 15 years, you had me andthank you, to do a drum clinic,

(42:59):
and then now you're over atLipscomb, and you know, it
sounds like that's an amazing,amazing program,
yeah, and Lipscomb is reallygrowing. They just added a
performance degree, whereasbefore, they just had either
they have a commercial program,but either singer songwriter or
production major. So with themadding the performance degree,

(43:21):
it opens the door up to more.
Yeah, more. How many seriouskids you got over there this
semester?
I've got 11 students, and westarted a percussion ensemble as
well. Nice. Just been good. So,yeah, really enjoy it. But that,
you know, prior to this pastfall, I would have, I don't,
four or five students, so itwasn't as busy. And then in the

(43:42):
fall, you know, I was there twoand a half days a week, and then
leave that night to go out withEaston, and then be gone and
then come back. And it was justkind of non stop, which was
great, but that's why I kind oftook a step back from the road
for the time being. Just
Easton, you were there a goodeight years, yeah, yeah. Nearly
eight years. Yeah, yeah, man, itwas good, too. I enjoyed. Gonna

(44:02):
be cool to be like a professorat a university. It's like, very
like, you know? It's like,you're David du Coveney or
something. And, you know what? Imean, you you pull up and you
got your elbow patches, and it'sjust cool, you know, do you wear
elbow patch?
I don't have any. I need to,need to step up my game. I guess
you have a monocle. I don't

(44:24):
twist your what do you call thetiming the railroad tracks must,
yeah.
Like, I mean, is there like, a,like, a faculty cafeteria, or
anything, or do you go andyou're like, it's like, not like
on the TV shows, like, nothinglike, where everyone's like,
cutting up and
no, is it like community? Like,what the TV show community, I've
never seen it,
really, that's what I'mthinking. Like, Chevy Chase, you

(44:47):
know?
Oh, very laid back. Yeah, yeah.
I like it. Really good. Facultythere are great. And actually,
the head of the music program.Now, I went to college with
where I was getting my Master'sat UT. Oh, she's. Yeah,
relationships in action. And Robis there? Rob bias, yeah, so he
had me come in and kind of giveto tell the kids the cold
hard yeah. What is

(45:09):
the cold hard truth? Yeah, youknow,
you must be present to win. Yougotta treat it like a full time
job. You gotta have a firmhandshake. You gotta all the
stuff, you know,
so you can't just do it the wayI want to do it. How do you want
to do it as you know, whenever Ifeel like it,
you try. Yeah, I am.

(45:30):
I mean, at the heart of it,Jim's not working out. He's a
drummer. I mean, he is, like, hedoes a million other things,
but, I mean, he's just, like, agreat, natural drummer,
like, well, I'm going to seeyour show
in May, no pressure. I think, Ithink you're like, I don't know
the sixth drummer that we've hadon that we've told about this.
It's like, Yeah, I'm gonna have,like, all these really good,
seasoned people.
I'm gonna be there. I'm gonnaget they make great pizzas

(45:50):
there, yeah? Nice selection ofwine. Just like, gonna be great.
Really make a night of it city.
Well, it's a winery, yeah, I'venever been there. So you get in
with Kelly Pickler. And herfirst hit was, what? Red high
heel. Yeah, very good. And thatwas her, I remember that music
video because, I mean, she was alooker man. She was hot. And she

(46:12):
came from good roots. She camefrom North Carolina, VA, VA,
voom, right, yeah. And so, Imean, 11 years with her, I would
imagine that she's just as downto earth as,
yeah, kind of like a sistergrowing up. Yeah, that's really
sweet. Yeah, good showers at ourhad our backs and right. Was fun

(46:32):
to work for. Got to do a lot ofcool stuff, travel wise, and
different TV shows and uso stuffoverseas and, yeah, yeah. A lot,
a lot of cool experiences withher. She
had, she had, like, a full timemorning show hosting gig for a
while,
yeah. XM, yeah. But it was,yeah, she did that. And that's
kind of when is that Kelly andKelly and Billy and Ben. So she

(46:55):
was doing that, and that's kindof when the Easton thing popped
up. So I was like, we can't. Wekept we were getting slower and
slower each year. She was doing,she did a couple of Hallmark
Christmas movies, right? So shewas kind of going that
direction, which is great, butit left, you know, fewer and
fewer shows each year. So theEastern thing popped up. And
that's kind of when I Yeah, moveforward.

(47:15):
Now. Speaking of her gettinginto acting, you were sort of an
actor on the television shownational, you were the drummer
for Juliet Barnes, Hayden,Panetta Harris, it was a
lot of fun. Yeah. So I played adrummer.
Go figure. How did you guys getpaid? Was it a SAG thing, or is

(47:35):
it non union rate? Kind of athing through the Union. It was
through the AFM,
yeah? AFM, yep. And it wasgreat. It was a really neat
experience just to to do it. Andthey were pretty adamant on
making sure you're playing theright parts, yeah, yeah. And was
there like a consultant, musicalconsultant, that was like,
You're not crashing, the crasheswhen you're supposed to.

(47:58):
No, no, no. That was not likethat, but, but it
was like, a, a, you know, thethe TV heads and the TV symbols,
right? Yeah,
yeah, the world thick. So yougot to, like, lay into it to
make it look like, yeah, you'rehitting them, like, Star Search,
yeah. But no, they but sometimesyou wouldn't get the music
because they were recording themusic pretty much as the show
was being taped. So sometimesyou wouldn't get the music to,

(48:18):
like, the day before. It wasjust a rough mix. So you kind
of, you know,
yeah, scribble out a chart,yeah,
did national songwriters writeall the tracks for that show?
That's a good question. I'm notreally sure.
I mean, it's, you can make thecase. I think it sounded like
it, yeah. But I mean that it wasfunny. When that show first came
on, I was still working at JackFM, and, you know, instantly I

(48:42):
was like, why? You know, some ofthe more unrealistic elements of
the show were like, hey, youknow, I'm having a bad day.
Let's go down to tootsies andget a drink. I'm like, No. And
nobody that lives here,especially if they're an A list
star, oh, let's just go down thetootsies. And that doesn't

(49:02):
happen. Made for a good state,meet me up on the pedestrian
bridge for a little No, itdoesn't. No, that doesn't
happen. Yeah, right, yeah. Idon't want to sing on the opry
stage. And she just happens towalk up to the stage, and
there's a spotlight, right? I'mjust gonna bask in the globe. I
mean, it is a television show.Oh, be realistic about it, for

(49:24):
crying out loud, stretchingreality a little bit, yeah, but
stretching it like beyond. Butpeople were
ravenous. They loved the show.Do you get a couple years out of
that? Huh? I
did, I did the first season, andthen maybe one or two episodes
of season two. Did you get tohang out with Connie? Not
really. She was in a couple ofscenes I did, but yeah, she's

(49:44):
more with the Hayden characterand Chip Eston, which I didn't
realize at the time. Whose Lineis it? Anyway you remember that
show? Yeah, he was on that.Charles Eston, yeah. He was
also, like, the, you know, yeah,the off. Us, yeah,
he played a couple of, a coupleof episodes in season three of

(50:06):
the office, and
then he ended up on thattelevision show with all the
kids, and there's, like,pirates, and they're in the
Carolinas, and they're chasingeach other. It's like
a, like, a, oh, oh, Outer
Banks. He's great in Outer
Banks. I didn't see, yeah, heturned out to be, I guess, the
bad guy.
He was the bad guy, that'sright, I will say he was one
too, because he played guitar.And couple of the scenes, he was

(50:27):
wanting to get the part down, sohe would ask the guitar player
that was hired, like, Hey, am Idoing this right kind of thing?
Yeah, yeah. Because he is kindof, he's a musician. He is,
yeah, but he was wanting toactually look like he was
playing it, where some probablydidn't really care. But Michael
Knox, you know, Jason'sproducer, got called to produce
a couple of tracks for each ofsome of these stars on that

(50:48):
television show. And of course,he calls us up, and he's like,
you know, are you guys? Ofcourse, you want to do it. But
right now we're playing a countyfair somewhere in the middle of
America, so I couldn't do it.But you know, there was no
flexibility on the date. It'slike,
these things happen right whenyou're on the road, yeah, you
know, yeah, exactly. You can

(51:08):
phone it in now,
hey, you went, Uh, did some usogigs. Yeah, I love those. I did,
been to about 1919, countries.You see some interesting things.
And you definitely feel thelove, because they love you
being there, exactly,entertaining them, yeah, Kuwait,
Afghanistan, Turkey, Italy,Spain, England. Let me guess the

(51:30):
best food was in Italy.
Ah, you're probably right, Italy
or Spain, Italy. I mean, Englandis, you know, well, so
for some of those, like, uh,Kuwait and Afghanistan, we were
on a base, so we were eatingcafeteria food, yeah. But the
the Italy, Spain, that we weredoing a Chairman's tour, which

(51:54):
was like, we flew over in on AirForce Two, and then it was, it
was pretty nice, yeah, yes. Um,so there we got to experience
more of the, you know, foodoutside of the base.
Yes, don't they source the foodfrom local or is it shipped over
as well? That's
a great question. I should havethose guys. I don't know. I
mean, those guys eat prettywell, because an army runs on

(52:16):
its stomach, you know. So theydo feed soldiers pretty well,
yeah, general Hall, yeah. Andthen you'd be working out. And
we were in, like, you know, Iwent to, like, Dubai and
Macedonia and Croatia, andyou're, like, in the middle of
some desert in a tent, andthere's, like, this makeshift
gym, and you're on the stairsmaster. And
we was a chrome gym equipment,like, from the 80s that was

(52:39):
pretty relatively
new, yeah, relatively and thenwe landed, like, on one of those
things on the aircraft carrier,and it catches you haven't been
able to do that, and then weworked out in the bowels the gym
was in the bowels of the ship.And you're like, you were on an
aircraft carrier, yeah, the USSKennedy, really? We dined with
the captain and everything, wow.

(53:01):
So you actually landed on anaircraft. How do I not know
this? Oh, man, we did all thatstuff with Rush low. That's
amazing. Oh, wow, yeah, we madevery little money, but we had
great experiences. It's
like, you know, saving peoplefrom shrimp at a Vegas strip
club.
Exactly right. Dude,
unbelievable. So Greg, I gottasay, if you're, if you were, are

(53:25):
comfortable talking about it,you got a 12 year anniversary
coming up here in a week, thisSunday, this,
yeah, here in a few days. Yeah.So to me, this
seems like it was a thing thatwas probably very life changing
for you. Yeah, very and just theway you frame your life and see
life, and don't you even have aclinic. Now that's kind of kind

(53:45):
of wrapped around some of theseconcepts, yeah,
yeah. So it's Yeah. So I was ina wreck driving back to
Nashville, and got rear ended bya semi truck going about 50.
They Yeah, he was going 50. Howfast, and
you were, well, I was eitherstopped or moving slow because
there was a bed wreck on theother side of the interstate,

(54:06):
like fiery wreck. And then, um,what were you driving a pickup
truck? Which, oh, okay, it wasabout that size. But then the
bed just kind of, yeah, big oldcrumple zone, yeah, oh, which,
that's what it's kind ofdesigned to do, which is great.
Was anybody in front of you?Yes. So I hit the car in front
of them, and then I think theyhit the car in front but I don't
remember anything. Wow, yeah. Soyeah, my truck was pretty

(54:29):
mangled. Oh, but yeah, so thathappened, and that was up up in
the hop up in Louisville forabout three weeks, hospital for
two weeks, and then a rehabhospital next door for next door
for another week, and then wentback to Nashville and did a
bunch of rehab stuff. Yeah,there's a lot of rehabbing.
Yeah, that would be very trying,like, on your patients, and

(54:53):
emotionally difficult, becauseyou're, you're learning how to
do everything again,
yeah, so I lost all my strength,like I. Couldn't like when I
remember bits and pieces of thestuff when I was in hospital, I
remember walking with thewalker, because I couldn't just
stand up on my own. Really, justlost all the strength, yeah, so,
but it just and that justslowly, you know, got back to it

(55:16):
and the rehab and, you know,physical therapy and all that.
But I had a TBI as well atraumatic brain injury, so my
memory, like I remember in therehab hospital, I'd have
breakfast, and then by the endof the day, I couldn't tell you
what I had for breakfast. Oh,wow, yeah, it's pretty wild. But
so it took a while for thememory to get back. Earlier you
mentioned that
because I was like, yeah, how doyou improve your memory?

(55:40):
Fish oil? Pills. Yeah, yeah.
But no, there's a there's acouple apps you can do, was it?
I forget the name of it, but Idid that where they like not
gains, but they'll give you
no challenges, yeah, challenges,brain challenge, yeah.
But thankfully, it got better,but it's still like to this day,
I feel like it's not as good asit used to be, but, you know, I

(56:03):
can still function. Yeah, youknow. But yeah, so did. That
broke my neck, and that was sothat, and the brain, brain
injury were the main two
biggest issues. So it was a, soit wasn't a, obviously, you're
still able to move. You're not aquadriplegic
that broke c2 which is somebodyhangs themselves. That's what
goes it could sever the spine.So I'm super lucky to still be

(56:27):
here and then not be paralyzed,you know. So it's one
of those things. I mean, eventhough we brought it up earlier
with Rick Allen, yeah, similarsituation, all of a sudden,
everything, you know, it's 12years ago, so that would be 2013
you're you've got some time in,you got some success. There's a
height of a career happening.And then it's like, you know, I
got a lot of things going, andthen this happens, yeah, it's

(56:48):
like, Oh, my God, terrifying,right?
Like, what happens if I can't
play my because we wrap ourwhole life in our, our, our
definition of ourselves aroundthis sure
and to withhold the braininjury. I didn't know, I know I

(57:09):
could rebuild the strength, and,you know, it took a while, but I
didn't know if it would stillfeel the same, you know,
because, you know, I may havecome back and just sound it felt
different or not, you know,yeah, sounded real stiff or, you
know, but thankfully, I was ableto
to put on that kind of bluerecord and just, Spang, bang. A
Lang it, man, you know,

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what did you sit? Do youremember what you sat down to
play the first time? I
remember sit just at a practicebecause I had a neck brace on
for like, three months. So Ijust remember sitting at a
practice pad, just taking itslow, then sitting behind a kit
and just, you know, slowlyworking up grooves. And just as
a lot of it was strength.
What kept you going every day? Imean, it's easy in, in the short

(57:50):
term, term of going day to day,it's easy to be like, I just,
you know, you got to have thewill. You had to dig deep out of
it.
Yeah, a lot of it was musicbecause I wanted to get back on
the road. I want to get back todoing it, because that was my
motivation to to get back on theroad. And Kelly, at the time,
was great. And she she said,Take as long as you need. Your
job. Will be here wheneveryou're ready, yeah, which meant

(58:13):
a lot, you
know, yeah. So I would imaginesalary was involved at that
point, or,
uh, no, it was a show per show,per show, yeah. But she was
super nice. And like when myfamily from Illinois, but they
drive over, and she took care ofhotel rooms for him to stay,
yeah? And then the drummingcommunity did a benefit, which
Rich was at, yeah, so, and allthat helped, you know, yeah, so,

(58:38):
yeah, it was definitely, I don'trecommend doing it. I mean,
what happened to the semi driveris he? Like, what
was he? What caused the x washe? Was he? I think
was just distracted from thefiery wreck. I'm assuming. I
really don't know. I've never
talked so there was a wreckalready on the road, yeah, on
the other side, on the otherside. Oh, he was rubbernecking,

(58:59):
yeah.
So I think that's why I waseither going very slow or
stopped, because all the trafficwas kind of slowing down.
Should do the like a get a piattorney involved at all, or
personal injury? Yeah,
I had to just Yeah, because Ihad to be life flighted and, my
god, yeah, so. But I was gettingbills in the mail from that

(59:23):
company. Yeah, because insurancedoesn't cover, I had health
insurance, but only covered upto 5000 for transportation,
right? And there's like, 25grand for that Life Flight,
yeah, and I don't remember it.
So they're, they're, they'resending you bills at least,
like, Hey, can I make, can Imake payments on this? Right?

(59:44):
So, but, but anyway, I changedyour question. Yes. I had, had
to get an attorney involved tohe kind of handled all that for
me, but I had to make a paymentjust to kind of shut them up.
And then everything got workedout between the trucking company
and everything you know, couldyou at least come out? A head,
if you want to call it a head.Well, I mean, you know finance,

(01:00:05):
yes, financially, yeah. So, Imean, more than likely I'll need
another surgery down the line,because the fusion, they did
fusion c2 to c3 and it putspressure like c3 to c4 right? So
chances are down line, I'll needanother one. So yeah,
my gosh, and you got to count onthat financial Yeah. So I just
again, yeah,
so I just put it all the way andact like I don't have it, and
hopefully, hopefully I don'tneed it for

(01:00:26):
that. Yeah, interesting. That'sreally smart. But the craziest
thing though, mentioning theother wreck,
so there was already anambulance, or more than one name
is on that go into that scene.But while they were in route.
They got diverted to mine. Sothey were only, you know, two to
three minutes from me when myaccident happened. Oh, wow,

(01:00:48):
yeah. But they got they gotdiverted, though, because the
people in neither wreck didn'tmake it. Oh, really, yeah,
wow. That's, yeah, how far soLife Flight from where to where
I was, I think maybe 40 somemiles south of Louisville. And
there was a, like a local is inHardin County, a local community

(01:01:09):
hospital there. So they took methere, but then life led me from
that hospital up to Louisville.Okay, they had a trauma center
up there. 40 miles,
$25,000
Yeah, wow, it's not cheap,
dude. Medical stuff is insane.We're in the business.
Yeah? You know,
I got a little

(01:01:31):
arthritis in my neck. It's abeautiful gift for my mom and my
dad. So I went to physicaltherapy today. I'm trying to
figure out ways to Sure, yeah,move forward. And not, you know,
because you do the whole, like,all the, all that stuff,
cracking, yeah, the and the foamroller, different things you do
with the foam roller and andthen some bands. And you put the
bands in the door, and what arethey talking

(01:01:53):
they encourage any chiropracticthat kind of situation,
no chiropracting is it's like adark art. It's like, either like
it or you don't, kind of athing, or you believe in it, or
you don't. I don't know. I'm onthe fence.
It's always worked out for me inthe past. So, yeah, gotta do it
on a regular
basis. I've never, never tried,and I'm very scared now, with my
neck in any kind of a, yeah,kind of, what were

(01:02:16):
some of the challenge like, whatwere noticeable losses, if any,
when you finally sat back downat the drums at a gig, or maybe
in rehearsal or anything likethat, where
movement like, because I was ata neck brace for three months,
so when I got it taken off, Iwould still like, yeah, so it
took quite a while just to getthe movement back. You know, so

(01:02:40):
kind of a funny story, Jay, abass player, one of my best
friends, I got back on the road.I probably came back sooner than
I should have, but so mymovement was still kind of
limited, very limited. So we'replaying this, this venue, and
then had like a balcony aroundus, and he's like, dude, like,

(01:03:02):
look up that. Like, check outthis chick, right? Yeah, so
you did the other do the batchmove. It's like, this
five year old little girl, andhe's just laugh. He just did the
mess with me, but I had to dothis, that whole thing, and back
around. And he's just laughing.Which day is this? Jay Weaver,
Jay Gorman. Jay Gorman, so hewas with Kelly the whole time,

(01:03:25):
and then actually played withEaston for a couple years, but
we were in a band togethershortly after I moved to
Nashville.
Yeah, I hadn't seen him in avery long Yeah,
but no, he's great, but no,yeah, it was kind of funny. So I
guess getting back just themobility and movement, and it
took a while just, you know,strength wise, playing a full
show to get back to where I feltreally, really comfortable

(01:03:46):
again. You know, are
you kind of a dancer when itcomes to playing, you say you
dance in the seat? I'm
not. I'm no, I'm pretty great.You're
Neil. Just serious, yeah, yeah.
She takes care of business.Yeah,
I don't have a lot of extramovement or motion, I guess. But
right? You're
not doing the ridiculous thingsthat I'm doing and making the

(01:04:07):
ridiculous
phases. I should, maybe Ishould. Yeah, it's,
it's painful. You do kind of ruboff. You know, I find myself
dancing a lot more when I play.
Well, whatever you got to do toget that feeling in
your body movements important,yeah, but mine's not really too
exaggerated. But, yeah, you're
not, you're you're not limited.You you can, like,

(01:04:29):
work out, yeah, yeah, I still myneck will stiffen up really,
really quick, yeah? But otherthan that, I'm, I feel like I'm
pretty good killer. Okay, good
for you, man. Massage is verythankful. Massages. No, here's
what anybody near his neck,
nowhere, nothing, don't, don'teven look at it.
Yeah, don't, don't touch.

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So happy that you're no, but theNashville community was awesome,
yeah, because I lived by myself,so my family came afterwards,
you know? Which they stayed withme at the house for a while, but
I couldn't drive for months, youknow. So I'd have rise to and
from physical therapy and atVanderbilt, yeah, and then they
did the benefit. So the supportkind of going back to your

(01:05:12):
initial question, like, with theclinic stuff, I make that a part
of it, you know, yeah, how youtreat people? And, you know,
build my old band director. Hehas a book, right? Yeah, yeah,
things you wish you knewyesterday. That's great. Ah,
man, but he so going up, I hadthe same band director from
fifth grade through high school,so, because it's such a small

(01:05:34):
community, but looking back, andhe was, he's the reason I
pursued music, really, he's gotto be very proud of you, yeah,
well, he's passed away. No, hehad pancreatic cancer, but,
yeah, but he's awesome. He wrotethe book, but he's the one he
like. He calls it PersonalCapital to where, if you act,
you know, like a decent person,treat people with respect, show

(01:05:57):
up on time, you gain this kindof Personal Capital like you
would with money in a bank,yeah? And then, you know, you
have a good relationship withthe people. And so when you need
it, like after my accident, Ifeel like I had a good, you
know, without really realizingwhat I was doing, yeah,
yeah. So they did that benefit,and just it meant a
lot, tons of me. So were youaware of your own personal

(01:06:19):
capital at that point? No.
And then so after that, to whereI kind of hit me, like, wow.
Because I always, you know, Idon't try to be an idiot or,
you know, he was doing whatcomes naturally and common
sense, yeah.
So I didn't think about it orrealize it. And then he came out
with that book after my like asa while, a few years after the

(01:06:39):
accident. And then I read aslike, wow, this is all stuff I
learned. I feel like he's by Mr.Miyagi, where he's teaching me
stuff where I didn't realizeright at the time. Yeah, wax on,
wax off, yeah.
Did it kind of strike a nerve,yeah, really, yeah, because you
weepy, yeah, a little bit.
But no, it's, it's, uh, it
doesn't take much to get meweepy these days. No, a wee bit.

(01:07:01):
The weirdest things
you get the Clint very
easily. Thanks, Mom.
You know it's you're just, youknow, more in touch with your
feelings, yeah? But I feel like
that side of things is just asimportant as the drum. I mean,
the drumming is obviously got tobe important, but the other side
is just as important,
yeah? I mean, the drumming givesus purpose, and it allows us to,

(01:07:22):
like, you know, affect people inthis lifetime. But, um,
it's, it's not everything, no,you know, and that's why I like
the teaching so much, becauseit's, I like to take the
approach my old band directordid. And it's not just about,
you know, a rudiment Ian, youit's more about the bigger,
bigger picture, yeah. Butdrumming is a way to, you know,

(01:07:42):
hopefully get to them. It's
a people business. And you even,if you even go to the Music City
drum show, check those guys outin July, the you can kind of get
a sense of the community easily,you know, it's just a really
even, you know, Courtney, mywife, was there with me last
year, and she noticed it. Youknow, she has every reason to

(01:08:04):
not want to be there. She washelping me out, and it's just a
cacophony in that building theentire weekend. And she kind of
enjoyed it. I'm like I said,that's the greatest thing about
is that you're gonna see, youknow, your Greg Bissonnette,
walking through and minglingwith people and just being cool
on down to people that just wantto network. And sure, you know,

(01:08:25):
dare I say network, or what doyou guys call it? Such a dirty
word, I know, but what's itcalled? Then, um,
kibitzing, um, mingling,crashing, party networking?
Maybe, I don't know,
yeah, but I feel like thedrumming community in Nashville
is very open and hospitable andaccommodating. Yeah, exactly.
And

(01:08:45):
it's not like, you know, I guessyou're gonna get guys,
does it exist on the surfacewhere, hey, man, I'm really
happy. I'm so championing you,and I love the fact you got that
gig, but internally, they'regoing, son of a
well, I mean, I think it's apolite it's a politely

(01:09:06):
competitive city, yeah, youknow, lightly competitive,
interesting, a politelycompetitive, you know,
you've thought about thisbefore, yeah?
I mean, because I've been in theother music
cities, you know, yeah, youlived in LA for Yeah, how was it
there? It's nice,
but it's like, it's just, youknow, it's more spread out, and

(01:09:26):
see more cutthroat. It's, itdoes seem a little less
friendly. Yeah, you see, I cameout of Danbury, Connecticut,
which was an hour and 10 minutesout of New York City. I never
really got, went down to NewYork and attempted to compete on
that level. But in Danbury, Iwas like, one of the guys, yeah,

(01:09:48):
you know,
to play my physical therapistfrom Shelton, Connecticut. Yeah.
He goes, Hey, where are youfrom? I was like, Connecticut.
He's like, I never meet peoplefrom Connecticut. Wow, but
that's
the funny thing is, I don'tthink you're like to. Greg's
point about Personal Capital.I'm not sure if you're really
aware of yours rich, because youhave mentioned before in some
Well, if I die, I which hope youwill at some point it's going to

(01:10:12):
happen. Yeah, just who knowswhen? I hope people show up to
the funeral.
I have no doubt, no doubt yourfuneral is going to be huge.
Well, hopefully it'll be a bigparty. I would like, I, I you
have to take audits of thesethings, and you wonder that,
man, I hope I have that kind ofpersonal capital with people,

(01:10:33):
because I'm pretty sure I can bea dick sometimes,
but we all can. Jim, yeah, well,you
the thing about easiest to dealwith, yeah,
but you, I have never noticedthat. I mean, what? You have
boundaries. You know, you knowhow to put up boundaries, and
you're not a just a peoplepleaser layover. No, I can, I

(01:10:55):
could. I could be a peoplepleaser,
but you do it. I remember youonce telling me it was when we
made the made the documentary,and you said that it always
stuck with me that I willremember everybody's name
because it's music to theirears. I try, you try and make an
attempt and try to use theirname, which is something that

(01:11:16):
rubbed off on me, because ifthere's somebody who's wearing a
name tag, I'll use their name,yeah, and it earns you, you
know, favor, you know, love it.It's like beautiful
melody to their ears. It'smusic. People love their name,
and they love to talk aboutthemselves. But
you were never opposed to likeyou said something that was so I

(01:11:36):
don't wanna say profound, but ithad a lot of weight to it,
because
you never see anything profound,
Rich. I'm gonna remember thereceptionist, the second
engineer, the first engineer,the janitor, he says, because
everybody in that studio wantsto move up, and at some point in

(01:11:58):
life, I want them to rememberthat I treated them well.
And if the if the intern forgetsyour ketchup on your french
fries, for, God forbid, do notlight them up, because they're
just doing the best they can.Yeah, and that is not worth
ruining a potential Yeah,lifelong relationship over

(01:12:19):
ketchup, because I've seen ithappen.
We both have. But you never knowwhere that intern is going to
end up, right? You may beworking for him someday, you
know, yeah, in
five years. And people don'tthink about that. No, they
really don't like
the the Personal Capital thing.It just all adds up. It wouldn't
and hopefully you don't need touse it
as your, as your, as yourreputation precedes you, because

(01:12:42):
it does. Our reputation totallyprecedes us, and we can ruin it
in one second. Yeah, takes 20years to develop it and
two seconds to get rid of it.It's so
crazy.
Yeah, I'm not sure how true thatis. What do you think you're
saying? You it depends on theseverity of what you did to
ruin it. I mean, you can have abad day. Yeah, everybody's got a
bad day. But if you

(01:13:05):
No, if you're dumping on peopleon a regular basis,
yeah, it's not good. No, it'snot good. But
Greg didn't do that. No, he'sno.
But I feel like I used all of itup because everybody was so
helpful. So I feel like I wantto do more to help others now,
you know, yeah,
forward, yeah, we're in kind of,like, a give back chapter of our

(01:13:27):
lives, you know, which is greatit is, we need to
start a nonprofit.
Maybe I should, yeah, about whatI don't know,
like, you know, a fund of sorts.Maybe that there's, there's a
cut, you know, people contributeto and whenever somebody has a
situation like yours, yeah, I
did look into that, actually.And there's always already some

(01:13:49):
set up, and it's got to bedifferent enough to make it
like a music character, yeah,exactly. Yeah. There's
some set up through the union,some through the Opry. There's
different organizations that dothat, but it's to set up like a
501, c3, has got to be differentenough to make it Yeah, make
sense, right? Then
you gotta have a board, yeah?

(01:14:09):
Because I'd love to havesomething, something music
education related, because, aswe both know, it's disappearing
in the schools. Yeah. And youand I owe our much of our our
mindset, our skill set, ourdirection in life, from music
education, exactly,
definitely. It was veryimportant for me, because

(01:14:30):
growing up in a small town, Ididn't have that, like a lot of
guys will have that, not throughhigh school, like the, you know,
a lot of music opportunities,ability, you know, abilities,
and, yeah, I didn't have reallyanything. So when I went to
college, that was my holy cow,you know, yeah, high opening.
But I think that
just baked into your DNA, youknow? And I've just met you
today, and I can always tellyou're just a chill dude and

(01:14:52):
you're gonna conduct your commonsense, as opposed to somebody
else's common sense. I don't Ithink there's a flaw. Well, it's
common sense. No, it's not. It'ssubjective. Sure what comments
What is common sense to you, toanother person, is vastly
different. So you coming in andyou know, you rich had talked
about in the documentary as wellworking the dream,

(01:15:15):
Jim, you're such a promo sexual
you had mentioned how you'vegone into situations and have
been vibed by people sure, youknow. And it's, it's, it's akin
to, like I go back to the carbusiness, where you have a
salesperson, because I was inthe car business. And there's a,
there's a cycle that happens inthat business, and probably

(01:15:36):
others as well, that you enter.It's, it's, it's a place you can
make a lot of money overnight.It is truly like an overnight
success type of thing. If youjust hustle and grind and get in
front of people, you can make agood amount good living, sure,
but most of those guys in thatrole are kind of corralled by

(01:15:59):
managers who haze you. There's ahazing element to it in probably
95% of dealerships around thecountry. But these guys that
enter, well, they want to eitherthey're going to be there for a
job or see it as a career. Theguys for a job, they last for
maybe a couple months, andthat's probably the reason why
the managers treat them as such.But the guys that do stand out,
and guys and girls, they go upthe ranks and then, well, hey,

(01:16:23):
when I get to that position, Iget to treat them the way I was
treated, instead of saying, Youknow what, I'm gonna break the
cycle, yes, like
the fraternity, sorority thing.I mean, like I, I was in FAMU
alpha or, okay, you know, it's aprofessional music organization,
and you have to, when you're apledge, you have to do all these

(01:16:46):
crazy things, yeah, hazing, Oh,totally got hazed. But
I think ultimately, with thepeople who are vibing that your
experience that you had, notnaming names, yeah? That
happened to them.
So I'm saying, yeah, it's alwayslike they chose most of the new
kid on the session, right? Youknow what? I mean, somebody's
always going to be the new kid.We were the new kid, and we

(01:17:07):
proved our worth, and we keptshowing up, and then we became
the old kid. And now there'sgoing to be some new kid on the
session, and I'm going to goright up to that kid and be
like, Hey, man, what's yourname? Where are you from? So
glad you're here. Let's havesome fun today. You know what I
mean? Yeah, no, totally.
Have you ever had to get really,like, tough on somebody when
they're not pulling theirweight? Or,

(01:17:28):
Oh, when I was, like, teachingdrum lines and, you know, in
college, like, my last year ofcollege, well, I was, like, the
drum I was the drum line guy inmy high school, right? So I had
to, yeah, come on, guys, you'relate. You guys are dirty. Come
on. I told you didn't look andthen, and then in college, I did
the three years on the snaredrum, and in the last year, I

(01:17:50):
wrote all the book. But did youOkay? And then I had got to wear
the university crest jacket, andI just bossed everybody around.
So I had to show up and be like,get in line, guys. All right,
let's cut it off. Whoa. You knowyou gotta, it's you gotta be
tough, but you were
the leader that they would takea bullet for. I don't know if
you wouldn't get killed infriendly fire.
Who knows? Yeah, at that time, Imight have been a little bit

(01:18:11):
more of a jerk.
Don't make me get the hammerout.
Smash some hands.
Hey, uh, Yamaha snare drums.Yeah, Anton
Fig, you get to, you get to getsome of those. Like, if you'd be
like, Hey, can I get one ofthose Anton Fig ones with the
wood hoops? Or can I get a Stevegad commemorative blah, blah,

(01:18:31):
blah, blah, because you're,well, they don't make them
anymore, though, because they'renot laying around somewhere. And
I wish I'd
known those who went away whenthey went away. Otherwise I
would have gotten some of those.You could
get that's a good snare drum,that Anton fake snare drum with
the wood hoops, the Paul line
drums. I did get a Paul limefive and a half,
the Akira Jimbo, the SteveJordan, the Bucha, the Roy

(01:18:54):
Haynes. You can find
all those drums, but you'regonna pay money an arm and a leg
for Yeah, yeah.
They're just not laying aroundat Yamaha, and you can just walk
around be like, Hey, you gonnause that? No, I wish. What's
your go to? Are you a metalsnare guy or a wood snare guy?
Uh, metal for the most part too.Yeah, got so many metal stairs,
yeah, because you can get woodtones out of a metal snare Yeah.

(01:19:17):
I've got a my go to, like, I usequite a bit. Is a six and a half
by 14 aluminum, yeah, my newrecording customer,
which is kind of like aacrolite,
yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I'm a brass overcopper, not a copper brass,
copper over brass, Chrome overbrass, Chrome over Yeah, what's

(01:19:40):
the black beauty?
The chrome over brass, yellowover brass, but it's a DW, yeah?
Oh, it's their version, Yamaha.Hey, you've been with
the children a long time too,right? Yeah,
well, I've played them my wholelife, but I was with them. It
took a while to actually get onthe roster, yes, but I. Just
kept playing them. And itfinally happened, I was at a

(01:20:02):
basic and Sarah, at the time,was the Artist Relations lady,
and she's like, well, let's justmake this official. Bam. And we
had a rise with Kelly, and wehad a show in Indy during that
time at Butler University, andthen when they're performing
arts center or whatever. And soshe came out to the show, and,
yeah, nice, really cool. Yeah,those are good relationships,

(01:20:23):
man. Yeah. I don't wonder
what the true cost it is to makea symbol. I've always wondered
that,
yeah, I got to go check out thefactory. Like, yeah. So cool
about Yeah, there
is it a lot smaller than yourealize. No,
it was like, I didn't, didn'treally know what to expect, but
it's pretty good size from
a business standpoint. It makesyou want to kind of wonder how

(01:20:45):
they began in the Middle East, Iguess in Turkey, because they
were, they're, what, 600 yearsold.
Yeah, it's like one of theoldest company, companies in us,
yeah, and,
but did they stand did theystart out making symbols? What
was their you know, I'm going tostart a business. Well, it's
gonna be, we're gonna make, youknow, flatware, and then all of
a sudden it's metal plates.Well, hey, you know, I want to

(01:21:07):
use this metal
plate on this. It's interesting.I'm sure there's some books
floating around. Yeah, Iprobably should know more, some
coffee table books, yeah.
But it is great. And too, Imean, and that's, they'll, if I
crack one, they'll, like, meltit down and reuse the Yes, oh,
really, yeah,
that's nice. Interesting. It's
totally nice. Man, well, that's,that's great stuff. Hey, let's
do the Fave Five. What's yourfavorite

(01:21:30):
color? Man, uh, probably blue.
Wow. You've gotten so many bluesout of like the seven. The last
seven or eight guests have saidblue. Amazing. We
probably need to come up withnew questions. Okay, how about
this favorite food or dish?
Ooh, that's a tough one. I likea bunch of different foods. You

(01:21:50):
mentioned burritos earlier. I'ma big burrito fan. Yeah, me too.
Baja burrito, here is one of myfavorite places. You've been
there.
Baja burrito, oh yeah, right, inBerryhill, yeah, oh god, yeah.
It's a stable. Yeah, it is,yeah. It's been quite some time.
It's like
they got the trifecta of reallygood restaurants in that little
area. They got salmon, Zoe's,yeah, uh, Baja.
And it works out great for allthe session players in Barry

(01:22:12):
Hill. And they go there and
well, and then when the JohnnyRab office was right there,
Calypso was there, yep, oh yeah,Calypso
has been affordably feedingsomewhat healthy food to
musicians for 30 years. It'spretty dang healthy, pretty dang
healthy. That chicken is reallyit's really good, but I like the

(01:22:33):
island burger. I always go inand like, I've never getting
Island burgers left and andthey're like, one left. I'm
like, what? And
it's the same people that havebeen there, what makes it an
island burger? Meatless? It's
actually just a hamburger, butit's, you know, they got the
island vibe in there, so theyjust call it the island
burger. Oh, so it's just aburger. Just a burger. It's
really lean meat, super lean.It's
almost by it's almost bison ish,yeah. And they put a nice big

(01:22:57):
hunk of a purple onion on there.Okay, yep.
Lovely onion. If you guys arecoming to town in Nashville,
make sure you visit one of thosethree places. You're not going
to be let down.
Yeah, we should do a roll callone time and find out who's
really listening to the show.Who are our listeners? Are you
hobbyists? Are youprofessionals? How old are you

(01:23:17):
would you know? Comment below?Yeah, we should do that. What's
your favorite drink of themoment?
Going through a phase,
I'm a it's probably not thehealthiest drink. But like Diet
Mountain Dew is my go to
some vodka in there too. Is xTito Yes, Tito's and Diet
Mountain Dew? Yes, that lookslike glows in the dark. Awesome.

(01:23:41):
Yes,
oh, I like that, but now I'mthirsty. That's good.
This is really tough. Jim,favorite song or favorite song
of the moment?
Ooh. How about
song? A song,
it'd be, it could be because isthe track is from your favorite

(01:24:02):
drummer, or it could be on yourmovie favorite movie score,
um, probably something off of asting, 10 summoners. Tail. Oh,
okay, that's one of my favoriterecords.
Inked.
Yeah, yeah, nice. But
as far as current, though, uh,actually, the students at
Lipscomb, are you familiar withthe band? Lawrence, no, check

(01:24:23):
them out. It's a brother, sisterduo. It's a horn band. Lawrence,
yeah, they're awesome, yeah, butyeah, um, their new record,
their uh, song called hipreplacement. It's an homage to,
what is it? Oh,
wow, yeah. You check them out.So it's, so it's in this kind of
like, you could you hear
their their song, you'll think,what is hip? And that's, yeah,

(01:24:46):
does
it have the kind of like figureslike that, huh? Nice? Oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Check them outthere. And I've seen them live a
few times. They're amazing live.They're not local. Here are they
out of New York? City, oh yeah,NYC. But they put up on their
website. They put up their stemsto their songs. What? Yeah. So

(01:25:09):
you can go solo up the drumpart, you can mute it, play
along to it. Oh, wow. Andthere's like little yellow dots,
and you can clip, click on them.And tells you this was a
combination of program and livedrums. This is what we use to
get this bass sound
like, pop up. Video, it is. It's
super cool. Wow. Check them out.
That's a very interesting thingto put out there into the world.

(01:25:29):
It is.
But they, they kind of createdtheir that platform. Yeah, they
came up with it, wow. Kind oflike,
what's that app?
Moises. Moises, that's anamazing I use that for teaching
all the time.
Yeah, I bet because you couldsolve things up, add clicks.
Slow
it down. Speed it up. I mean,transpose nuts. It's amazing.

(01:25:51):
That's
really nuts. How about yourfavorite movie?
The wrong Missy of the of themoment? Yeah,
I would say My Cousin Vinny, ohmy god, yeah, you blend,
you blend, yeah, you blend.
It was so great. So
it was actually on just not toolong ago, and I watched part of

(01:26:12):
it, and it's still, it still
holds up. Man, yeah, it reallydoes. She is so cute. She was
great in that movie.
She won an award for that too,yeah?
Like when she's when she says,because this and this and this,
yeah,
great. That's great. Joe Pesci,
totally great. Hey, Jim, Don'tyou usually have a question? I'm

(01:26:33):
gonna switch it up. Oh, and it'skind of in line with what we've
been talking about with RickAllen and your experience. I'll
just, I'm going to put it outthere. What body part would you
not mind losing?
Wow, I did not sanction this. I
want my arms and legs for sure.I want my ears. I like to be

(01:26:56):
able to see too,
like you got to go maybe teethor something, right? If you had
to lose
this one tooth, I could just onetooth, yeah, yeah. Back,
back molar, or something likemaybe a
toe or something or maybe apinky. Would that throw off your
balance if you're missing a toe?Depends on what
toe, yeah, I think you need allof them, but
I think a pinky would be with asmall toe, yeah, maybe a nipple,

(01:27:21):
nipple. We don't, we don't needthem. I mean, I got three. So
okay, you too.
I say tooth,
that's great. Buddy like it?Yeah, coming up with new stuff.
Here's, here's another good one.All right, what would you name
your boat if you had one? Oh,nice. I a

(01:27:43):
good question. I don't know.
Usually boat names have a theygot to be punny. Dad joke,
exactly. Punny thing. Like,yeah,
like Dexter, slice of life.
Actually, that's, I just startedgetting into Dexter. I'm really
so good. I'm late to the game onthat one, but
that's okay. It's you're gonnayou're in for a good time. The

(01:28:06):
knot.
Naughty hooker, yeah, not,
that's a good naughty hooker,not now, like,
yeah? Like, it's a fishing boat.Naughty hooker, yeah,
I made That's what she said. I'ma big office fan. You
watch the office, that's whatshe said. Yeah.
Big takeaway, yeah, T shirtseverywhere. World's best boss.

(01:28:28):
Yeah, yeah. What's the mostuncomfortable in that, in that
series, in your opinion? What'sthe most? Like, you want to
watch it, but you're like, oh,this.
Michael's an idiot.
He's he's brilliant. He isbrilliant. Yeah, so the dinner
party episode, right at first, Iwas like, that's how I was, but
now I love it. It's, it's soit's very uncomfortable, but

(01:28:51):
it's,
you know, when they put thatout, NBC didn't want to, like,
they had such second thoughtsabout putting it out because the
spousal abuse aspect of it wasso tactile that they just did
not want to, like they werereally worried about it, yeah,
but it was one of their biggestepisodes,

(01:29:11):
yeah. And I think it was rightaround where the writers strike,
too, if I'm not mistaken, right,whether I think it just they
filmed it, maybe right afterthey came back or something,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was, I want to say, seasonfour, yeah, yeah, season four.
But that was the other for me.It's Scott Stotz.
Oh yeah, that, yeah, that. It's

(01:29:36):
so I don't know if I've seenevery episode obvious, like it's
on in a hotel room or something.I'll check it out. But it's not
like, I can say, like, King ofQueens. I have seen every
episode 1015, times friends.Every episode 20 times easy.
Yeah, I'm like that with theoffice. Yeah, that's,

(01:29:56):
it's like visiting old friends.It is, right, and it's still
fun. Me, it doesn't get old.They they cast it. It's like the
Marvel franchise that was, youknow, the Infinity saga,
perfectly cast. They had areally good culture on set, and
you could tell, yeah, you know,yeah. And just
watching the behind the scenes,like the deleted scenes, they're

(01:30:17):
all laughing, and they still
hang out with each other, yeah,
yeah, that's great. I think itwas just film somewhere in some
little soundstage in NorthHollywood, and they tried their
best to, like, hide the palmtrees, right? You know? Well,
it's when they do the roofshots, and it's supposed to be
in Scranton. Yeah, you see themountains in the background.
And, yeah, Scranton ismountainous. I have

(01:30:39):
been to Scranton, yeah, so myfavorite
Pennsylvanians, Greg, I am sohappy that you are here with us,
and you are making a massivedifference. And I'm so happy for
you, and I'm super proud of you,man, I appreciate
that. It's an honor to be a partof the show. And

(01:31:00):
oh man, I hope you had a goodtime. I did. Yeah,
do you listen to it? I do.You're the one. Well, I think
Isn't
there one other one? We need todo a roll call. We definitely
need to do a roll call and findout who really our listeners
are. Yeah, crazy. Oh, it'sgreat. I like it, but it's more
of like a a talk show than a
inside the actor studio kind of,yeah.
I like, that's conversational.

(01:31:21):
It is. Yeah, these were a bunchof guys hanging out. We've tried
to
do that thing I always wanted. Imean, the whole reason to do it
is just really to shine a lighton my friends. You know what I
mean? Because you guys are allhave so many great stories and,
well, you've had amazing guestsover the years too, which is
cool. What's your favorite one?Well, you did

(01:31:45):
bill with a QE, yeah?
Bill Gibson, yeah, he was good.Yeah, nice cat.
Yeah, 70 years old, taking drumlessons. It's amazing. Yeah,
right. Just goes to show youenjoying his walks to the
mailbox to collect his royaltychecks. Yeah,
I did get to see them live. Onetime I drove to Tunica. They're
playing, and this is before,because they don't play anymore

(01:32:07):
because of but I drove there andthen drove back that night, and
I got to meet through the friendof mine got to meet Bill and
Huey and just say thanks, youknow, for, you know, the
inspiration growing up and even,
like, Hey, we're fellow Yamahaartists, you know, right? I got
see him at the skirmor horn,which was very nice, because

(01:32:28):
lakes are so great. Oh, yeah,were they playing with the with
the horns and everything? Didthey play just with their horns?
Okay, yeah. How long ago wasthat?
That was, um, probably, like,2017 because I remember
you took, like, a picture withBill in the back staircase, or
you had met him, yeah, yeah,
crazy, right? Yeah. Was a power.Power played a lot, yeah,
records saving lifetimes. Yeah.

(01:32:50):
Like, apparently he
they were ready to disband, orthey were just trying to find
another gig, or, and he, heappreciated their work so much
that he added them to his band,I think at some point, yeah,
it's great, great, great
body of work. It is, yeah, andthat was the first record you
were intrigued by, sports, SmallWorld Sports. Yeah. Greg Lowman,

(01:33:15):
two G's on Greg, G, R, E, G, G,l, O, H man. Greg loman.com, and
you're on the Insta for thekids, yeah,
Instagram and Facebook, yeah,yeah. I don't do a whole lot of
posting, which I probably shoulddo more. But yeah, you know,
yeah,
reach out. I get tired of it,you know, first thing in the
morning, get that coffee. I knowI gotta knock it out. Yeah, it's

(01:33:37):
always something. It's crazy.Jim, do you have fun, bud? Yeah,
just one. I like your newquestions. I
love it. Just pull them out ofmy keys. I love
it. Hey to all the listeners. Weappreciate you tuning in. Be
sure to subscribe, share, rateand review and we will be here
next time we appreciate youlistening. Thanks so
much, Greg, thank you rich.Really appreciate it. Thanks.
Jim, awesome.

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