Drumming WHILE Storytelling, The Nashville Musician's Union and Italian Food w/Vince Santoro :: Ep 223 The Rich Redmond Show

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My house, my old house there at nippers corner was kind

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of like a wayward home formusicians that were deciding to
potentially move to Nashville.It was literally like, Can I
crash here for a week and checkout Nashville? And everybody
ended up moving. They're like,Oh, my God, this is great. I can
get around. There's a lot ofopportunities. It's affordable,
yeah,
that's changed. All that's Wow,yeah, yeah,
but I know what you mean, yeah,Franklin, Tennessee. If you go

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to a, say, you go to arestaurant downtown Franklin,
the cork and the cow orsomething, yeah, you know, or
the Red Pony, you're paying asmuch as West Hollywood or
Manhattan.
Yeah, it's crazy. No, I knowthat's
where we went the other night.We went to the southern oh yeah,
oh yeah, so, but they have anamazing steak called, they're
really the bell. But here's thething, is that about that steak?

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Yeah? I think we, you know, Isay we paid 60 some odd dollars,
yeah, but it came with all theaccouterments.
It
came with. It wasn't a la carte,though, and it was a, it was a
good filet mignon. So it was anupper, a top cut, and it came
with sides. Came with, it camewith veggies and mashes. There
you
go. There's always,
there's always hope.

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This is the rich Redmond show.
Jim, what is up with you? Man,it's so good to see you. You
know, we're, we're catching upin a public forum, doing a
little housekeeping. So I got toplay some reggae music the other
night. There's, you know, ourfriend, Troy lachetta, founding
member of the band Tesla, 35years you know, has this new

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project called risen thebeliever, super positive, high
energy, reggae inspired music.And I got to rattle some
tambourines and cowbells andplay some blocks and dance
around at the city winery. Itwas awesome. Well, you were
doing hosting there, right?Well, yeah, I was MC I don't
know why. People just hand me amicrophone. They said, Hey kid,
you look like you can handlethis. And I got the cigar like,

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hey, our next art It was funbecause I got to introduce,
like, you know, these greatrecording artists. And we raised
a bunch of money for SeanFuller, you know, he is the
longtime drummer for Florida,Georgia line. And now Tyler
Hubbard and his very youngdaughter. She's five years old.
Cora is suffering with, like, arare form of, you know,
childhood leukemia, and so weraised a bunch of money for her.

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And it was a very touchingexperience. I mean, there's
Nashville has an amazingcommunity. I mean, you know,
I've spent time in the othermusic markets, and, no, there's,
it just doesn't compare. We havesuch an amazing, close, tight
knit, knit community here inNashville. You know,
I it. It never, never fails toamaze me. Yeah, even back when

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the big concert happened for the2010 floods, the floods, yeah,
yeah, at a big charity concertat the Bridgestone, yeah, man,
all the, all the biggies gottogether. You did too, I think,
right,
we did something. We're alwayspresent at some of these things.
It feels good to help in any waywe can. Yes, Can you feel my
excitement? I mean, we got agreat guest today. We do so

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great and it's so long overdue,because I've been in Nashville
28 years, and this gentleman andI will just like, we'll just
like, pass each other and like,like, ships in the night. And it
turns out, you know, we're like,seems like he's all Italian. I'm
half Italian, you know. And ifyou're half Italian is a really
strong gene, it's like, you're,you're all Italian, you know,
but be but this guy cooks. He'sa he's a super talent, and he's

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been calling Nashville homesince 1992 hailing from the
Washington, DC area as adrummer. He's a songwriter, he's
a singer, he's a producer, he'sa storyteller. He's got an
amazing new solo record comingout June 6, called exposed. And
he's played with the likes ofRodney Crowell, Roseanne, cash
Amy, Lou Harris, Carleen Carter,Shania Twain, the list goes on.
I was member of the group thecicadas. He's been playing with

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Felix Cavalieri of the rascalsfor the last 20 plus years. Our
friend, Vince Santoro, What'sup, brother, what's going on?
You covered a lot, dude, thanksfor making the trip to Spring
Hill. I love it here, man, it'sbeautiful. It is quaint. Yeah,
yeah. You're in the Brentwoodish area, just north of Yeah,
yeah. Nice. And I watched thevideo because this was so great

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about having this job. I get todo a deep dive and steal from
all my guests. I go to theYouTube channels. I go to
podcasts. I I binge your body ofwork and you have just been
doing I know I watched the videoand it said you built your house
with your bare hands.

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Are you? Are you a carpenter?
No, he somebody gave him a weirdword, build. I was the general.
Oh, so
you had planned. I did a littlesweeping. You disappointed? Did
you fix that?
Do you have a background inthat? No, the lucky. God bless
you. It
was a very interesting thing. Ibought the lot next in Creve

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Hall. I bought an empty lot, andI thought I was just going to
leave it there, but then Iplayed basketball at the Y with
a bunch of guys, and one of theguys is a big builder in the
area, and I just said, Hey, man,I'm thinking thinking of doing
this, and can you help me out?And he gave me a big list of
contractors, and said, You cando this. Yeah, so I went ahead

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and did it, and I've done itthree times, and now I'm done.
That was more affordable to do
that, oh, yeah, than buying astock house that's pre built,
I would think so, yeah, because
you're getting everything,you're more in control the cost
at that point. And if you have aGC as we're building our new
property, yeah, that's about a20% Yeah, charge that goes to

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the GC to handle the project. Sodo the math. I mean, we're
spending, you know, we'respending six figures on this new
place. But, I mean, you take 20%off six figures, it's, yeah,
it's substantial. It's realmoney. Real money better in our
pocket than somebody else's.Well,
good for you. And I don't feelso bad about myself, because I
was like, wow, he's, he's achef, and he's handy,

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and he sings Andy, and he singsand right drums,
storyteller and and we got a lotof mutual friends, and we would
run each into each other at theUnion. Are you still doing the
secretary treasure
job? No, okay, step down. Whodid you pass that to? Will
Barrow? Oh, Will is right, yeah,yeah. And I believe he is about
to step down. So, yeah, thepeople, you know, they got, it's

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got to work with your dailylife, because you got to be
there for, you know, eight, ninehours a day, yeah, 10 to 10 to
five, right? 10 to 410, to four,nine to four, sounds like bank
hours. Exactly.
We weren't banking, but, yeah,now,
what is the role of thesecretary treasurer. I mean,
what's a date? What was a daylike for you?

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Well, you know, this state is aright to work state, and because
of that,
okay, so Secretary Treasurer ofwhat? Oh, sorry, Nashville
musicians
Association, which is a union,musicians union, and it really
has a history in this town,that's,
that's an elected position. Itake it is okay, so you have to,
I mean, is it one of thosethings, like an HOA, because

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they have those, those, thePresident, the Vice President,
the Secretary Treasurer, and, ohgosh, well, they have staff,
yeah, and some volunteers andstuff like that, yeah. But is it
kind of one of those voluntoldpositions, or is it like a
highly coveted position?
Well, it kind of depends. Imean, you know, it pays decent,

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but, you know, I was probablymaking less than that, so it
looked great to me, but thatwasn't really the issue. The
issue was I was not working asmuch through my, you know,
through my own decision to notwork as much and and I figured,
well, what can I do? So I reallytalked to Dave Pomeroy, who's a
Redskins fan, along with me, andwe both moved down here from the

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DC area, but he said that hemight be needing, you know,
something at the time, and itjust kind of came about that
there was an opening. And heappointed me, and then I was
reelected. Oh, wow, so, but thedeal as being a secretary
treasurer in this town, yeah,it's a little different than in
New York, because in New Yorkyou can tell people that they

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have to join the union, yes, andin this state, you can't do
that. And so you really got tohave some value for your
prospective client. You got tosell it. You kind of got to sell
it. And we do have a rehearsalhall. So, I mean, there are,
there's a lot of pluses that areoffered to a member, yeah, in
Nashville, and is that's thatbecame the secretary.
Treasurer's job is to keep thatstuff rolling. I think

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I've been a member for about atleast 30 years here, though,
what was first Dallas with Rayhair, yeah, who's our national
president now, I believe right?And then I moved here in 1997
you came here in 92 right beforethe big gone country booming.
Yeah, great timing. Yes.
Dave is so unique in the factthat if you've got to be

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someplace and on stage and plan,I'll be there way in advance, as
you saw, yeah, early today, andI'm setting up and I'm I'm
relaxing before he has a show.Five minutes before, downbeat,
bam, pulls in, sets up, boom,let's go. I've never, never
experienced a cat with thatability. He's amazing.
So he's kind of a staple here intown, in the Union especially,

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yeah, oh, wow, yeah. And what
was his big job that he had, DonWilliams? He played with Don
Williams for a very long time,
yeah, yeah. And he was a bigcall on for sessions. Oh, big
time. Yeah, yeah. Veryaccomplished now, but now he's
big time in the union. And, youknow, I think he's on the on the
Federation's board, yeah. Sohe's doing a
lot, and if I'm missing a checkI go running,

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he's the guy to talk to, man,you know?
Well, that is fantastic. And so,originally from the DC area, and
what, how did you pick up thedrums? You have a musical
family.
I wouldn't say that we have amusical family. What happened
was my brother, who is eightyears my senior, he had a band

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called the dimensions, and theywere, you know, it was kind of
like a surf band. They didn'teven have a singer that a sax
player. They did, like, walk,don't run and stuff like that.
And then he went off to collegeand left his kit in the basement
and put a big sheet over and Isaid, I'm like, a mess. That
sheet off. That. And so Istarted listening to records and
putting on earphones and playingalong. And it kind of became

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something I wanted to
do, yeah, did it comesupernaturally? Rick, you just
knew how to play, boom, boom,cock, a Bucha, boom, Pa right
away. Or, I don't know
about that, because everything,anything, anything good, is
going to have a beginning pointand so, but mainly it was my
enthusiasm. I mean, you know,this is at the time we're
talking, I'm gonna think it waslike 1968 and so stuff was

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starting to happen. You had theBeatles, you had the kinks, you
had the stones, you had thenHendrix came out. Oh my God. And
when I first heard the Hendrix,and even Led Zeppelin after
that, it just, it was so in me,I just kind of had to keep
rocking with it.
Now, do you fancy yourself arock drummer before anything
else? Probably, yeah. You knowme too. I tell everybody I'm an

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So the early influences, all thebands, yeah, you know, I'm
sorry, and so did you? Were youin front of the television for

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the Beatles 1964 Yeah,
wow. And I had two oldersisters, one in particular that
was just, she was over the moon.And so the girl's bedroom was
just, you know, everythingpeople's posters, everything,
everything little dolls andeverything. And, you know, so I
saw that happening, and I said,Man, this is really and then I
started to listen, yeah. And itreally became, it just got

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a hold, yeah, man, how aboutthat? Ringo, 80 years young,
yes,
and plays wonderfully full of
life. He's got his marbles. He'sjust like full of life. He
really
is. Felix played in one of theiterations of his bands,
the All Star band, yeah. Howabout that? Greg Bissonette, 22
years playing with the Ringo themaster, yeah, legend. Have you

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gotten to interact with Ringo?Or I haven't one of your you
know how they say, be carefulwhen you meet your heroes. I
know. Have you met any of yourheroes where they were kind of
like, what? What one?
Yeah, but I'm not gonna make so
I'm trying to think, what do thenames rhyme with
his initials are? You
know? What's really funny isthat we might have a lot, I

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mean, a lot of the same heroes.So obviously, you know, Bonham
on a moon, Ringo, Charlie, andthen, of course, I love the
apostle brothers, yeah, youknow, I love Carmen. I Sandy
Gennaro was, was kind of a heroof mine. He's right here in
town, you know. So Sandy crashedin my place. You convinced him

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to move here. Yeah, is thatright? My My house, my old house
there at nippers corner was kindof like a wayward home for
musicians that were deciding topotentially move to Nashville.
It was literally like, Can Icrash here for a week and check
out Nashville, and everybodyended up moving. They're like,
Oh, my God, this is great. I canget around. There's a lot of
opportunities. It's affordable,yeah,

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that's changed. All that's Wow,yeah, yeah, but I know what you
mean, yeah, Franklin,
Tennessee, if you go to a, say,you go to a restaurant in
downtown Franklin, the cork andthe cow or something, yeah, you
know, or the Red Pony, you'repaying as much as West Hollywood
or Manhattan, and it's crazy.No, I know that's where
we went the other night. We wentto the southern oh
yeah, oh yeah, so, but they havean amazing steak called, they're

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really the bell. But
here's the thing, is that aboutthat steak? Yeah, I think we,
you know, dare I say we paid 60some
odd dollars, yeah? But again.With all the accouterments it
came with.
It wasn't a la carte, though,and it was a, it was a good
filet mignon. So it was anupper, a top cut, sir. And it
came with sods came with. Itcame with veggies and mashis.
There
you go. There's always a, youknow, there's always hope for

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$60 we made a really expensivepoop. This is how, you know, we
are successful men. We can clogour arteries with red meat. Try
to thin it out with a little bitof red wine. It doesn't really
clog your arteries. No, itdoesn't, you know, because the
more I eat paleo, like, youknow, hunter gatherer, just the
more energy I have. You do. It'stough, you know? It's tough

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because our cultural tradition,I think my people are from
Napoli, which is more seafood,right? Yes. But no matter what
you do, there's, there is,there's the pasta, right? But
the American version of pastais, is like a drug and like,
it's like eating a loaf of breadand you got to take a nap. But,
you know, we, we have, I havefriends in Europe that are like,

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Man, I eat pizza and pasta allthe time. I'm fine. It does. It
doesn't do the same. Like MikeTarana. He's this killer metal
drummer that lives in Sardinia.Wow. We had him on, I don't
know, about a year ago, and he'slike, Man, I eat pizza and pasta
every day. And he's like, he'schecked
well, does he walk like, 40miles a day? Because that's
probably what they're doing.They walk. But
the thing is, you hear fromeverybody, I had a set A friend

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of mine go. She went overseas, Ibelieve, to Italy, and she's
like, Yeah, the food, the fooddoesn't give you gut bomb. You
need a nap, you know, becausetheir food is pure, doesn't have
all the crap in it, yeah, it'sour food supply here is awful.
Well, I
have cousins in bati Paglia,which is nabolita, yeah? And the
first night there, they put abowl of tomatoes, and I couldn't

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they actually looked very pale,and not that appetite, but they
were unbelievable succulent. SoI'm saying, I'm agreeing with
you that something is going onin the soil, or whatever it is
in the water.
They're making the color moreappear appealing, for sure, but
maybe it's not supposed to bethat violent, what I'm thinking,
right? Yeah, yeah. But you go toLA and you go some of the fruit

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stores, the colors of the fruitare off the charts, yeah? The
best
strawberries, the best kind of,any kind of berry in the world,
is in Southern California. Yeah,
I've seen the strawberries.They're as big as your fist,
yeah, but are those?
But that's the thing. They'renot supposed to be that big. I
don't know if that's a goodthing or chicken
breast the size of your four

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on a good they grow in twoweeks.
It's weird. There are so thosestrawberries come from the
fields there in Oxnard,California. I know exactly are
you? DW, that's where they grow.The drums. DW, drum, drum
workshop. Oh, because I've seenvideos of you playing, do you
but back, back, every back line.So are you endorsing a certain
drum
company or, uh, Pearl, but I,you know, it's been, well, 25

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years from when I was playingwith Rodney. Yeah, that's even
more Wow. So
let's talk about that. Okay, youhave. Can we talk about Pearl
real quick? Oh, yeah, sure.
Pearl over the because I startedout, sorry, not to hijack it. I
started out with on, like, anexport set back in the 90s, late
80s, yes, yeah. And that was,like, considered to be the entry

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level, yeah, these exports are,they're nice now, yeah, I hear
you. I mean, not that theyweren't nice ever, but I mean
they were nice entry level kit.There's, like, premium, like,
all the premium stuff that youcame up knowing, the maples, the
birches, those were the premiumprice drum kits. You know, I
think pearl back then was amahogany, the export.

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Oh, yeah, I didn't have theexport, yeah, but
man, I mean, I was at GuitarCenter today, and I looked at a
PDP kit, yeah, that had a carbonfiber wrap to it. Wow, it was,
you know, it was a wrap. It wasa sharp looking kit. But, I
mean, a PDP is, it's a premiumkit, pretty much. I mean,
dude, I have some PD. I have aset of PDPs with the wood hoops

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that I leave in LA. And it isperfect for, like, singer, song
or writers. Americana, superwarm, super affordable. Every
drum company now is making entrylevel kits, like production
kits, which from 600 to $1,200that are off the charts, that
have this. You know,
that's doable. You've convincedme to look into the Yamahas
stage customs. You said stagecustom, but I'm looking into the

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touring custom. Wow. Like, youknow, the mid range,
yeah. Like, not now, when? Notthe C class, but the E Class,
yeah,
yeah, yeah. Mercedes, Okay,nice. And that's good. Thank
you, see.
But see a drummer that a draw,you know, a good drummer can
play just about it even CB sevenwas 700 with hydraulic heads
from 1980 covered in duct tape.You know what I mean. It's

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because the tone is in yourhands. You know what I
mean, and damping and all that.
Yeah, a lot of it is a tuning inthe heads, I guess. Yeah,
because that's an art tuning.Tuning,
yeah, but some guys get allwrapped up in the science of it,
and really it's more of a darkart. It's like, turn the key
until the drum sounds good. Tryto match. Love. To lug and then

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you will have a relationshipbetween the top and the bottom
head. Most guys will go two waysto go, both heads the same
pitch, right? Or the bottom heada little tighter, which gives
you a little bit more of a rockand roll pitch bend, which I
like, I'm a fan of that
the dough, yeah, dude, yeah.Maybe that's that's been my
problem. Yeah, I've been tuningit down. No,
you got to have the bottom heada little tighter than the top. I

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did not know that. Yeah, wow.Okay, I got this, you got this
feel betterment, yeah, yeah. Andwe had, you know, if, if you
fancy that, you don't have thegreatest ear, you know, like
you're the worst timpanist inthe eighth grade. You can use
the drum dial to set the pitchof the heads perfectly, so you

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have a perfect starting point.And then you could tweak to
taste, which, by
the way, if you need a drumdial, we have three for sale on
marketplace. It's
not gonna really do us any goodif there's someone in Croatia.
But
well, hey, you know we couldship. They could pay for
shipping. Are you having funwinning? Yes, I'm just so glad.

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I'm just so glad we'reconnecting like this. But I
would say that you cornered themarket like you definitely have
this angle where you're playingwith these amazing I mean, we're
talking like the creme de lacreme, singer songwriters,
storytellers, the Rodney crows,the Roseanne cashes, the Emmy
Lou Harris's, the Carlene cars,Mary Chapin Carpenter, I mean,
that is right up my I mean, thatis awesome. So is, is that like

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a type of music that you justlove, or is that something that
happened from relationships,mostly
relationships, but, but I've theones that I felt lucky to land,
yeah, because it did speak tome. Yeah. Hey, I stay with it as
long as I can. Yeah, and that'swhy I'm staying with Felix,
because I grew up on that stuffand tell us about that gig,
yeah, yeah, that's a great gig.It began, I'm going to say it

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was probably, what, 98 orsomething like that. And at that
time I had, well, I'd been inNashville for a little bit, but
I had heard that Felix wasliving in Nashville, yeah, and
in his band was Michael Rhodeson bass and George Marinelli on
guitar, yeah. And I think thatwas kind of the band and a

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bunch of slackers, man, a bunch,yeah. So, so I decided
to join the slackers. Well, Iwent down and rehearsed with
them, and then Marinelli andMichael Rhodes ended up not
staying with the band that long,but we got Mike Sievers on
guitar, fabulous guitar player.And we've kind of bounced around
with bass players. So, you knowwe're looking to right now we

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have a guy whom you may know.His name is, um, is, uh, Graham.
Maybe now he was in JoeJackson's band. Oh, wow. Okay,
really. Great player, so we'vechanged some seats, but it's
always the same music. And Ijust, I just love the music.
What do you guys play? Like3040, shows a year started
out to be 40, yeah. It wentthrough some changes. They did a

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big reunion where Dino cameback, you know, to Nelly. Yeah.
Fabulous player. He was the onethat did the yeah and and throw
the stick like, way up in theair, yeah, and somehow it came
right back. And then, you know,so we've gone, like, I say, some
changes, but it's just been,it's kind of fluctuate between,

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let's say, 30, around 30 days ayear. Yeah, we're doing a bunch
of stuff with Frankie Valli atthe ice at the end of the
summer. And, oh, what? And Ithink Steve Miller, oh yeah,
bunch of opening day, yeah,that'll be
great. I saw Steve at the littlenew venue we have there on the

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left. We pass it when you come.It's his first link. What's
that? First Bank amp, First Bankamphitheater. It's right there
on the left before you hit Junelake. It's
one of those places that youhave. You've seen it over here.
No, over 65 it
seats like 7000 people or so.Yeah, Steve Miller was there.
What two summers ago is fun.Yeah, our good
friend Todd Zuckerman is goingto be there. And I think in

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July,
with the sticks, with thesticks, with the sticks in his
hand. But the funny thing is,
is that that place, it's a realyou'd think that would be a
nightmare to get in and out ofbecause there's one road, but
they do a really good job oftraffic management. This is
nice, and it's a nice place tosee a show. It really is. It
really
is. It's like a Greek theatertype. Never even
heard of it. Little bit of redrocks going on there. Cool.

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Yeah. Well,
we're getting so many newventricles. We just got the
pinnacle. There's a new, newvenue called the pinnacle, and
then we've got that. I don't, Idon't know where it is. I just
know that, you know, EricPritchard was playing with Megan
Moroney, and I wanted to go see,see him play, but he said was a
Nashville show, so he couldn'tget me to, you know, that is
hometown show. Forget it. Youknow, you deserve that ticket.

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Oh, that's sweet this week,Eric. But so do you open or
close with good, love and close?Yeah, that.
That's the closer. But you know,people got to be free. Leads up
to that and grooving. He's got alot of hits. He does, he likes,
you know, he's a real fan. Of Rand B. He grew up with all that
Curtis Mayfield stuff. And, youknow, we do some departures,

(25:07):
yeah? And he wants to do that.He wants to do, you know, some
of the old hits and just littlepieces of them. So it fills out
the night
fly dates kind of a thing,mostly, yeah, jump on the plane.
There's a back line drum set,yeah, and everything,
yeah, you know, amps,everything. Do you ship your
symbols so you have your ownperson. I do not you just play

(25:28):
local symbols.
That's what I'm doing, that youadapt,
improvise and overcome.
I'm afraid that that is thecase, yeah? Because it's like,
you know, again,
I have a gig coming up, and,hey, do you want to use the
house kit? And I'm like, Well,what is it? It was a maypex,
yeah, Saturn, yeah, and, but you
don't know of all the widgetsand the belts that are going to
be there. No,
I never know. You never know,bringing

(25:49):
my stuff prepared? Yeah,obviously, this show is going to
be airing after the fact, but,you know, we're recording it
beforehand, but I'm going tobring all my stuff, man.
I tell you, I envy being thatway, but I've just never the kit
that's there. That's the onethat I want to play. You know? I
just don't want to. That's acool thing. Well, it's like a
surprise, and it's an adventure,and it does it kind of lifts you

(26:10):
up a little a notch. Now, ofcourse, it'd be great if it was
my kid, but I'm happy doing it,yeah. But
what happens if you show up andthere's like, some like, like,
crack to ride and 16 inchcrashes. It happens, man,
you make the best, adapt,improvise, overcome. I once
arrived
at an outdoor gig where therewas nothing but rod symbols,

(26:32):
nothing but rides, but
can the audience and the bandtell or is it just you? Well,
I they heard me screaming, yeah.No, no, it was so ride cymbals
breaking your wrists. I askedthe
guy. I said, Look, man, theseare ride cymbals. Now you
understand that I've got to havesome crash, so please take care
of that, sir. And you know, hedisappeared, and then I never

(26:55):
saw him again. So he was like,okay,
ride cymbals is what it is, myGod?
Well, you hear those horrorstories about Broadway, and it's
funny because I think it's onthe Nashville drummers Facebook
page is at least opposed to twoa week of like, whoever is is
took the symbol clutch from, youknow, you know, nudie.

(27:18):
Please return it. And God,
there is a cat named John root.John root, yeah, who? I don't
know. Who pays him. I think itmight be the some of the
families that own some of thebigger drum companies, right?
It's either he's going down onbehalf of the drum companies
that are stocking the pond downthere, or he's paid by the

(27:40):
families, the conglomerate, therestaurant groups that own some
of those clubs, to maintain thedrum sets. He's a great guy.
Yes, he is, and he and he's
a great drummer, really, andhe's does a great job doing
that. I mean, putting kids,
he puts himself out there andhung a shingle. Hey, I'll come
by on a weekly basis, almostlike mowing lawns. Well, the
weird thing is, a freakinglefty. He's cleaning drums. He's

(28:02):
changing heads. He's making surethere's felts, yeah. He's oiling
the bass, drum pedals, yeah. Andhe's Brooks and drum Dunn's drum
tuck, yeah. Really for Treygray. You know Trey, right?
Never met Trey gray. So, sobesides yourself, he was one of
these early young buck rockdrummers to come and shake shit

(28:26):
up in Nashville. What's hisname? Trey gray. He was with
Faith Hill for the longest timein the 90s, and then he's been
with Tim McGrath, and then he isnow with Brooks and Dunn for
some time, and did a stint withReba as well. Sometimes Reba and
Brooks and double share a band,right? And anyways, I'm gonna
get to see him at the end of themonth, because we are doing

(28:48):
Fenway on the 30th. Oh, nice.Yeah, done. And, and Jason LD,
it's gonna be a good, good billin Boston.
But Boston Boston, dare I say,corkscar pack
the cat. Mark Wahlberg Dunkey,get
out of here. That's wickedmonster. Wicked pista,

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so why Nashville did didManhattan or Hollywood ever call
your name? Yeah,
but you know, those were yearsago, and I just really was
hanging out in DC after makingstints like with Kathy McDonald
in LA, yeah. And we opened upfor Earth, Wind and Fire during
the all the Paramount Theatercircuit and yeah. And then I was

(29:33):
sitting there and my buddy, andyou'll know him, Stuart Smith,
yeah, he was a DC guy, and hemust have been talking to
Rodney, and Rodney needed adrummer in addition to a guitar
player, and he just called andsaid, Hey, would you be
interested? And I said, Sure. Sowe both came down and became
part of the band. Yeah, that'swhat got us here.

(29:54):
Now I heard somewhere, littlebirdie told me that when you
came to Nashville, you werejuggling four gigs at the same
time. Well, that's what I was,yeah, yeah, amazing,
yeah, wow. And then, you know,Roy Bucha, and passed away
during that time, so now
I wasn't familiar with him, sobecause of you, I went and I did
a deep dive on Roy Bucha andcool, kind of, like bluesy, hell
yeah. And kind of a guitar, God,yeah. He and Danny Gatton are

(30:19):
both DC guys, and you wouldthink that they would get along
with each other. They had someweird feud going on, but I think
it was mainly just forpublicity. Yeah, you know what
I'm saying? Like, oh, he left acigarette on my amp man, and it
burned on the coat the tolax.And so I've never, I've never
liked him since, but I thinkthat's all baloney, you know.

(30:39):
But they're, they were big deal.And he's, you know, Roy just
really didn't take care ofhimself, and he passed away. But
during that time, I was playingwith Edgar Winter and Rodney and
Roseanne. So yeah, but then whenI came down here, it really made
sense to make a thing out of it,yeah, man,
Edgar Winter, so you got to playFrankenstein. Oh yeah. And he

(31:02):
was on the Tim Bali is doing thething. He does anything. Did we
just do that? So it was sofunny, you know? And I
did a look to camera while
you were doing he broke, hebroke the fourth wall, just like

(31:22):
the office. Thank you, Michael,so, so you have, may have had
some, some scares, some likeinjury scares, over the years,
but just 25 days ago, I wasdoing the dishes, and I was
washing a coffee mug like this.The coffee mug lacerated my
money backbeat finger righthere. My wanna, why did

(31:43):
it do that just broke off andthen
blood spraying all over the walland everything. So 25 days ago,
my life was, I was like, Oh myGod, my career is over. Healed
up so beautifully. But I wassupposed to go to Texas and play
with this amazing studentpercussion ensemble, and one of
the pieces was gonna beFrankenstein. Nice. Yeah. So
anyways, I sent Jim Riley fromthe rascal flats to do it. He

(32:05):
jumped right in with the kids.He did. I'm sure it was
great. But did they have atimbali player to do
the thing? I'm sure he went.That's amazing.
But no, Edgar is one of thoseguys that can play every
instrument on the
stage, man. And he's a virtuososax player. He's a drummer. I
mean, he's a drummer, is thisactually, is a great singer. I
don't know where he stopped,yeah. And he's still hitting it.

(32:26):
Apparently, that's
amazing that you have that, youknow, and that's something Nancy
put in your back pocket rock androll history, right there. Yeah,
yeah.
His first record
is the jazzier one, yeah. And wedid a couple things off that
too. So it was really cool.Really
cool. That's amazing. Yeah,fantastic. And then I ripped out
that cicadas record. That had tobe really fun. Now, when is it?

(32:48):
How often did the cicadas come?Is it every 13 years?
I think it's two differentthings. They're, they're Yeah. I
mean, that's one, yeah. And thenthere's the 20 something year,
yeah.
And they come out and just humptheir brains out and die. Make
a lot of noise, so noisy theymake the ground really crunchy.
Yeah, man. I mean, those songswere, wow, yeah, really, really

(33:09):
good songs. Yeah. Now what I Itwasn't Rodney trying to make a
effort on that record to, like,be outside of the normal country
machinery, just a little bit.Yeah. So were you guys playing,
like, rock rooms and, yeah,
that kind of stuff. And we did,you know, a bunch of to the New
York TV shows and stuff. And Ithink we were really because of
the people involved. It wasbased on, if these songs hit

(33:35):
radio, we would do it in abigger way. But it kind of
didn't ever happen like that,even though we did. I mean, I
thought some of that stuff wasperfect for radio. Yeah, the one
that they chose to spread aroundwas a sort of down tempo, but it
was just, you know, MichaelRhodes on bass, Stewart on
guitar, and if things had takenoff, I think we would have done

(33:57):
something, but you know thatpeople kind of had a lot on
their plate. Yeah,
and I'm blown away by yourability as a singing drummer.
First of all, you got a greatvoice, but it's almost like it's
like your fifth limb, and itcomes with extreme coordination,
like we're having Mr. StanleyLynch on on Friday. Oh, he can
do that thing. So I'm sure youguys have crossed paths over

(34:18):
years.
Yeah? Well, I think he co wroteone of the songs on the cicadas,
ready? I believe so fantastic,
yeah, but to do that is a is agreat skill set, and I'm sure
it's been an asset for you,because, like, we want a strong
vocal band. Well, you, you know,you're covering it, yeah, that's
great.
Well, it helps and, you know, italso helps me, because I'm more
into the song. I'm deeper intothe presentation of the song.

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It's
amazing. How many Jim Don't youthink a lot of drummers, they
don't take the time tounderstand the the actual
storytelling and what is beingtold here, because that's gonna,
like, inform what's the tuningon the snare drum? Is it
brushes, or is it sticks? Do Iwant to use symbols with rivets,
or how about mallets? I mean,is. And all that stuff is going

(35:02):
to be informed by the theinvolvement,
and what your involvement, ifyou're singing it, or even if
you're just singing backups,yeah, you're following it a lot.
Yeah, it's
a lot of stuff that you know,how many? What's the percentage
of the entire, let's say, USAdrumming community that
understands that notion, thatconcept of needing different
symbols, like what you'retalking about, brushes versus

(35:24):
brushes versus sticks is onething. But hey, I need a highly
tuned snare. I want anotherdouche snare, you know, a little
bit lower tuned, that kind ofthing. How many drummers
understand that in the generalcollective, you know, especially
the percentage of drummers thatcan sing not just backup, but
sing lead, yeah. You know, youlook at Phil Collins, you play

(35:45):
in the air tonight. That's not,you know, once the drums kick
in, it's seemingly easy, butthere's a lot of like, the fills
and the way he constructed thatsong is very tasteful, but
there's complication to it.Yeah, and he's singing over
Yeah. But wait a minute,
I think in concert,

(36:06):
Chester would cover the
No, you there's actually a livevideo of Phil.
Had to have been a time, yeah,yeah. It hadn't been a time. You
could see YouTube where hebasically does a slow walk
leading up to goo goo goo Gong,you know the big Phil, yeah, but
he times it to where he sits outof the drums right in time.
That's and then, and then heplays the rest of the song. And

(36:27):
he's singing with the, you know,the Madonna mic and gun. And
he's doing that. Did you guysany singing over,
dude? It's, no, it's, it's athing. It, it
scrambles through my brain,yeah, to think about it, yeah.
You know, on Henley. You know,we did one year. You know, the

(36:49):
bands really are thoughtfulthese days about choosing their
walk on music, you know. So thehouse is dark and you got to
walk on music, and you got totime. It just right. So
everybody gets to theirinstruments, and then, boom,
they'll hit the lake. So wewould, we had that one years
ago. And then, then you're on,then we're on, cool. It
was also you would use in theair, and five
years ago, oh, really, yeah, prepandemic, that's cool. Was it a

(37:11):
pre produced thing that theytake the track and kind of,
like, you know, like, what Iwould do, or I would take the
track and do, doing good on,good on good on go, and then
put, like, a reverb on that lasthit.
I think our, I think our soundguy, like, was just using, you
know, the mp three of the song,and then he would just pull it
down, yeah, yank it down.Manual, analog dude, yeah, yeah,
I'll just produce it. But what amusician. What a that. Phil

(37:34):
Collins, wow, to play fusion theway he did. And then, you know,
just drum sound, yeah. I mean,you know, Brand X, with
Brand X, he was playing straightup British fusion. And then,
then, then everything got morepop sensibility. And there's
like, I'll sing, you know, PeterGabriel's, let's try foot. Good
boy. They auditioned a lot ofguys, and they didn't like

(37:55):
anyone to to do what sing orplay drum to sing, yeah. And
they're like, and so Phil'slike, I'll try it. And then as
soon as soon as he startedsinging either, like, home,
that's pretty amazing.
Look at together. Great, great.Yeah, Dino, my goodness, he
sounds better than the freakingguy singing, yeah, I mean, you
hear him sing, mother, father,

(38:18):
Dean Castronovo, Oh, gotcha. Youknow, I'm both. I'm thinking
about Dino DINELLI. No, you know
Dean castrono, not a singer, apersonality like a look him up
on on YouTube, singing mother,father,
well, he can definitely, oh my.He can front, he confront, any
band. So, so now, singing a songyou're so now closely, somewhat

(38:43):
closely related to thisstorytelling one man show thing.
So, so that is such a greatconcept. So Jim, let me catch up
to speed. So Vince has a thingwhere he does like a one man
show, where he will, he'll playdrum accompaniment and basically
do like I watched the video,long form poetry, spoken word.
Yeah, you're rapping, and youpack the house. Every video I
see, there's a very enthusiasticaudience. It's

(39:05):
very, it was very intenseprepping for those, yeah,
because you got to, not onlyknow, I mean, it's an essay,
basically, you know, each pieceis an essay, or that I've
written, and I got to memorizeit, because I'm not going to sit
there with charts, no prompter,and I can't do that. Gotta feel
but then you can't just memorizeit. You You've kind of got to be

(39:26):
able to talk it. You got toactivate, because I'm also
doing, you know this, and Ican't overpower it with the
drums. It was, it was really,where did that idea come from?
I'll be honest with you. Do youknow who mitten Sparks is no.
Mitten Sparks is a woman that meand my wife know and we're

(39:47):
friends with, and she doesspoken word, and she uses John
Jackson on guitar, and it wassimilar to what I did, but I saw
her do that, and I just figuredthis. This is. Cool, and I've
been writing, and I gotta tryit. I gotta see if I can do this
thing where I'm not relying onother accompaniment, that I'll

(40:11):
be my own accompaniment. I'll beable to stop when I want to
stop. I'll be able to accentwhen I want to accent. Yeah, and
it became a thing, and I startedputting it together. But it's a
pain in the butt to do, man,it's just so hard to do it and
do it like it's natural. Howmany pieces of that do you have?
Well, on on my
DVD, on my live DVD, I guessthere's 10 pieces, wow, but I

(40:33):
got 20 some. That's,
that's like, an America's GotTalent kind of thing. Well,
yeah, but you know, you can hearit on that show. Yeah,
I could do it. I could do it onthe show. But I tell you, just
prepping for it is such aeffort. It's, it's
definitely, it's Creek, as I sawit. You sent me the video
yesterday. I was like, wow,that's out there, huh? Yeah,

(40:54):
yeah. I was like, you know, hereI am shaking off the rust of not
playing for the past 20 years,and I'm like, and this guy's
freaking telling stories andrapping
way behind. It was unique. Itwas a unique effort. But, man,
it's just so hard to do.
Yeah, but I appreciate becauseyou pull it off very smoothly.
Yes,

(41:14):
thanks. Yeah. I, I would. I wantto see the DVD. I don't have a
DVD player
that will that will not work.I'll send you some stuff. Yeah?
Send you something
like, You need to go in and makeclips out of that and put it on
tick tock Instagram. I actuallylike, you need help with that.
Let me know, because that's,that's something that's virality

(41:38):
potential, yeah? I mean,
okay, yeah, you'll be the guythat's like, Hey, have you seen
the guy that does the thing?Yeah? Like, yeah, Chip
Ritter, the juggling drummer.You're right. Basically, I mean,
yeah, it's like, I like, Chip,yeah. Chips. A cool guy. He's
nice. He loves, he lovedcommenting on my when Spencer
used to play with me, yeah, hewould comment in the Facebook
comments,
yeah, I've been around him alot. He's a nice guy. He will.

(41:59):
He got to do stupid, HumanTricks on Letterman was great,
but I'm serious, you know, I sawit. That's the first thing.
Like, one of my giftings andsuper superpowers is knowing
talent when I see it, not youknow, of course, you're
talented. You got a resumethat's that's like Everest. But
you know, for something likethis, you see a lot of guys on

(42:20):
on Instagram that are circusdrumming. They, you know, all
the speed and, you know, doingall these, you know, mind
blowing. Let's reinvent TomSawyer, because it needs to be
like, No, you don't do that. Youthat's, that's sacred. You
don't, you don't touch thatsong, Italian guy, whatever your
name, with the beard andMustang, and

(42:40):
I can't remember the guy's name,he's incredible. Yeah,
he won hand Yeah,
glass of wine on a snare drum,and he doesn't spill
it, right? It's like when yousaw a mattress come and he's
also
smoking 420 at the same time,right?
Yeah, that's the pario, orsomething like that. Estepario.
Esteparia, yeah, so guy, that'sthe guy. But the thing is, is

(43:02):
that as you become as I getolder, you realize it's like,
yeah, that's cool and all, butwhere's the, where's the nuance,
where's the tastefulness? Yeah,you know what I mean. Look
up this guy on YouTube playingwith Felix Cavallari, and
there's a, there was a, there'sa, somebody got you playing

(43:23):
right behind the horn section,four feet from you. And you can
hear the some of the sections.You the guys just want to move
it forward. And Vince is justlike, just smile, like, Dude,
this is just pocket for but, andthen, you know, there's one
section of the song where you'rekind of like, slamming this.
Slamming the stick, like in thehead. Was like, it's like, a

(43:44):
choice. And then there's anothersection where you're like, off
to the side, getting differentsound. Another side, you like,
lighten your touch. It's like,directly in the head. It's like,
it's great, man. It's amazing.
What boredom will drive you to,
no, no, just trying to have somedynamics. You know
what I mean? I think boredomkind of feel about that boredom,
but, you know, it's like, okay,now I'm comfortable here, yeah?

(44:07):
How do I become moreuncomfortable? That's
probably a good, good
way of putting it, yeah, wheredid you know so Nick Pellegrino,
Steve Marcantonio, I couldstart, start all the, the Manja
guys, the Manja guys. So Irish,so you've ever been to manga,
the eight course Italianrestaurant over there, off of,
like, eighth Ave. It's still anEighth Avenue, we probably

(44:27):
Craighead, so it's okay. What anexperience. And what you do is
it's, it's, it's a traditionalItalian meal in the sense that
it's multi course, and it takesabout three hours. Yeah, because
you're dancing, you're gonna bedancing so you can digest and
then you're ready for anothercourse. And then here comes a
glass of wine and Bucha. It's agreat European experience. It's
amazing. So, so you know, withthe American Mark Antonio, he

(44:51):
will not let me into the coolkids club, because I'm only half
right. So he got to be FBI. Hekeeps me like this. He's like,
No, you're only half the time.Any. Days I got invited to my
own ginzo night. That's good,good. So I got a ginzo night
with you still do it. It's withJim capolino, Mark capellino,
and Neal capellino. So all thecapelinhos are there. And it's
like, once a month, and it's,it's a five, six hour night

(45:14):
where we start with theaperitifs, really, and then
slowly but surely, here's,here's a little white, here's a
little red, here comes out thenext thing. Then we're doing the
salads. Then we sit down to themain course, and then somebody
come. We got the coffee, we gotdessert, booming, cigars,
whiskey, go deep. Man. It wasawesome. That's fantastic. Can
we maybe we need to invite youand me? Maybe we have in the
house here, bring those guystell Hey, why don't we do this

(45:35):
down here now? Oh yeah, a SpringHill experience,
yeah. Well, I bet. I mean, Nick,Nick will cater, you know?
Oh, yeah, yeah. And, you know,that whole Manja thing began
before the restaurant where wewere just doing pot luck
at each other's house. So thatwas your ginzo night. So I'm
just happy I got invited thisginzo night. Do you know Steven?
Steven farella, he's asongwriter. So he's, he's the

(45:56):
one. He's, he's like, Hey,Redmond, you know, come on, do
your own thing. That's cool. Youonly have it's fine. We won't,
we won't tell, we won't tellanybody to
be okay. Because I'm I have anIrish last name, but I'm 42%
Jewish, as I've come to findout.
There's, there's no Italian inyou. I think
there's a pretty significant Ibelieve I'm a lot Italian. Yes,
I checked. Well, I'm a veryminimal Irish. I'm afraid

(46:18):
to do the 23 and meet. They gothacked. Yeah. Oh, what is that?
Everybody's DNA information. Youknow, your genetic testing, your
family roots in life. So thewebsite got a got attack. For
what reason somebody wants this,all this information on these
oops, yeah, that's weird, and Idon't like it. I don't like it
either, because, you know, firstof all, Siri is listening,

(46:38):
right? Siri, I never have Sirion, and people have bought me
Alexis. I've got two Alexis, andI've never taken her out of the
box.
Well, I mean, there was actuallythat time we were sitting there
and I said, you know, Courtney,my wife, I said, it's funny that
you think that these machinesthat are in here are actually
listening to us and plotting ourdestruction. And we laughed,
yeah. And Courtney left, and mydaughter laughed, Alexa laughed.

(47:02):
Siri laughed. She laughed likethis, exactly, man, she totally
did, totally laugh. And then werealized we're done.
So tell us about this newrecord, because you have put out
solo records before, but this isthe one where the first one
where you have written all ofthe songs that you were
performing, yeah, and it'sfantastic, and it was produced

(47:24):
by George and yourself, right?George, Mary
George gets production credit,yes, yeah, for
those that don't know, George isthe guitar player with Bonnie
Raitt, Bonnie
Raitt and the range before that,yeah, you know Bruce orange
piece?
Yeah, he was a founding member.Was he not of so your brother
probably knows all about that.I'm sure he does. Yeah. Jim's

(47:45):
brother is a keyboard player whoplays in many tribute bands in
the Detroit
Yeah. Oh, okay, so we had dinnerwith him the other night. He
was, it's always lovely to seemy brother. Yeah, and he he
talked about, what do you askyou about John bolo? Oh, Johnny,
yeah, do you know this drummer?We have met, we have not met in
the flesh, but of course, weknow John

(48:07):
Molo is a DC guy, yeah. And so Iknew him when I was playing in
local bands in DC. He was in thenowhere men. I think it was the
nowhere men. And, you know? Andhe always was like, he was okay,
yeah. And then he got reallygood, and he gave me a call, I'm
gonna say 10 years after that,so, like, probably around the

(48:32):
before, just before I moved toNashville, and he called up and
he said, Hey Vince man, youknow, I'm looking for a drummer
to for this, this project I'mdoing, because now he's a bigger
shot. Is he like, he's in LA andhe's putting together bands and
producing bands. And he said,she said, yeah, man, we're
looking, we're looking for adrummer. And I'm starting to
think, man, he's asked me, we'relooking for somebody like a,

(48:55):
like a young Vince Santorum. AndI went, No way. Oh yeah, oh
yeah. And then this Hornsbything. These guys are practical
jokers to the map. Oh really, ohyeah. I would get these weird
calls. And it's, it's, it'sBruce Hornsby on the phone
saying, Yeah, Vince, hey,listen, I wanted to talk to you,

(49:17):
and they're jacking me up.Marinelli is sitting there
crying right next to him,laughing. These guys, they just
put you through hell, and theydon't realize what they're
like dangling a carrot in frontof you. Yeah? Oh yeah.
You know, whatever it takes forthem to get their yayas. Wow.
Wonderful, brutal, wonderfulfriends.
Yeah? I mean, some guys reallytake that to the you know, we're

(49:40):
not a super practical joke band
that's like grounds for youknow, dude, I'm gonna freaking
You better not. You ever sleepwith the one eye open for crying
out loud.
I know it got that way
young Vincent
or I went, what? What do youmean calling me like that? Yeah,
because in 1990 90. You know,around 1990 I was, I

(50:03):
was younger.
You still are young, totally,
my God, man, that's right, soexposed. Tell us about the tell
us about the record. Well,
it came. It really kind of cameas a surprise, because there's
one cut on that too familiarsight that I had actually
recorded probably 10 years ago,and Marinelli played guitar on

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it, and I I revisited the mix,and I started adding some stuff,
and I sent it to Jordan. Hesaid, Man, this sounds great.
And he says, Why don't we do arecord? I said, really? I said,
Well, okay. Well, let me, I'llsend you a couple. And so from
there, we just started, and wemade a nice list of songs and
called it a record. Yeah. What'syour favorite track?
I would say my favorite one iseverything, trying

(50:50):
to remember which one, becausethere's because there's some
stones, II type, yeah, there'sthat.
That's I'll be dancing too.Yeah. No, this one is a kind of
a political statement, ah, and,but it's just a really cool
track, and I like the lyrics. Ijust like the way it sits. I'm
actually working on a little bitof a video for it, but, yeah,

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and this is the kind of thingthat I'm learning is like, you
know, if you you're gonna dothis, you know, you kind of want
to get involved. And I don'thave a videographer, so I gotta,
kind of got to do the thingmyself. Yeah, we,
we, you know, we had JohnMcTighe gone, yes. And he's
great. You guys share up thesame publicist. Karen, yes. And
I was like, who's yourpublicist? Because she because,
I said, How's your how's thepress on the record? He goes,

(51:32):
Man, I got in the Wall StreetJournal. I said, Well, who's
your publicist, by the way. Andhe goes, Well, she kind of does
drummers, like she pitched me,you She pitched me. Andy, P is
like, Oh, my God, this is great.If I ever do a solo record, I'm
hiring Karen. So, so, um, youknow. And John put together
some, you know, some affordablevideos. But everyone is so

(51:53):
visually oriented, this is asmart thing to do, because then
it exists forever on YouTube,and then you could drive sales.
Or, yeah, you know. And
you know, as far as sales go, Iknow that there's not a lot of
people buying records. That'snot the issue. The issue is, is
I'm doing this because it's sodamn fun. Yeah? I mean, it's
gratifying when I get get anidea. And over the years, you

(52:13):
know, I've written for a longtime, but I look back on the
history of it, and it's likethere was a lot of times where I
didn't finish a song before Icut it. Yeah, you know, and I
didn't, maybe I didn't let thelyrics dictate enough. Well,
what comes first? How do youwrite guitar, piano? Is it a
melody? Is it

(52:33):
guitar or piano? But? But Idon't get there until I got
something lyrically that, yeah,that is saying what I want to
say, yeah. And usually, youknow, in the past, you know,
maybe I come up with a nice,clever little line or something.
And not, not to throw shade at aclever line, because a clever
line is great. That could be theimpetus for the whole song. That

(52:55):
could Yeah, and it has in thepast. But I've really gotten
into this lately. And basically,when I was working with Rodney,
you know, he's he told he saidsomething to me that he keeps
two notebooks. This is beforecell phones. This is before the
internet, any of this stuff. Sotwo little leather bound books,
yeah. And one, he would justspew thoughts and just keep

(53:15):
writing, writing, writing. Andthen the other one he would take
from what he's written and form,you know, craft. And that's what
I've kind of been doing, and itreally has been working better
for me. I feel better about so
now you got two little blackbooks, and your wife is like,
what is this?
So it's great. Well, yes, thatis great. I mean, what that is

(53:37):
on my to do list, you know? Andit just, it just goes to show
that, you know, you're, it'snever too late to put out a, you
know, a creative project, youknow, because I want to, I kind
of want to do a record whereit's mostly probably going to be
no vocals. It'll be more likeinstrumental, fusion light,
cool. It'll be kids instruments,right? Fusion light, it's all,

(53:58):
all professional musiciansplaying on entry level
children's instruments reallywell, yeah,
we got to replace the batterieson them. Yeah.
So there's a drummer from the DCarea named Tim beary, yeah, and
he's now, I think he's in Ohionow, but he does a similar
thing. He played with mahoganymahogany rush when they were

(54:19):
out. And really good drummer andpeople are doing that now. I
think it's really cool. Yeah.
You know, the thing aboutwriters and stuff like that, I
don't know if this is anoffensive thing, maybe to me, it
is, they always have their radarup. You know what? I mean?
You're always listening. They'realways listening and observing.
And if you drop the occasionalnugget of wisdom. There's like,

(54:41):
Ooh, that's a good one. I'mgoing to run with it. Yeah. And
you get none of the money. Yeah,they write a hit out of
it, right, right? Just likeobservational comedians, they're
always scribbling. They'relistening,
yeah? And it's like, you know,it's one of these days when I
get around songwriters and guyslike you that listen for
stories. I'm just going to setyou up with random stuff.
I will give you credit. Niceword for a third, I promise you,

(55:01):
you know, I
mean, the purpose of a lock isto turn a door into a wall. Ah,
is there a connection? I'm
struggling. I'm screwed downright now. I mean, at age 30,
you've spent a month havingbirthdays, write that down.
Write that down.
Write that down. That's a goodidea. Get a run. Hey,

(55:23):
you know what I just saw onNetflix.
Conan O'Brien just got honoredwith the Mark Twain award for
comedy. And it's, apparentlyit's one of the last events that
they're going to have at theKennedy Center Honors, because I
think it's getting shut down orsomething. Don't even get
me started building a high riseChina.

(55:43):
But anyways, the event isunbelievable, and it was
captured for all time, and Iwatched it today, and it
warrants another viewing. Itwas, so what's it called? It's,
well, I guess it's just a it'sthe special of, you know, Conan
O'Brien receives the mark twaincool award. And all the who's

(56:04):
who of comedians, from NikkiGlaser to Adam Sandler to John
Mulaney are all roasting him ina very polite way. That's not a
roast. Then it's, well, youknow, there it's more of like a
comedic tribute. Yeah, it's
well done. So it's not reallylabeled as a roast. It's not
a roast. No, it's the MarkTwain. I mean, it's very

(56:26):
prestigious. It's veryprestigious. Yes, it better be
hybrid. Everyone is wearing theConan's Great. Yeah. He really
is very creative. He reallydeserves it.
You know what? I You're gonnalaugh at me. So I go to Vegas
this past couple weeks for atrade show. Yeah? And we have
time to kill and we wanted to goto the West Rim of the Grand
Canyon. That didn't happen,because it's like the Native
American mafia controlseverything out there, and you

(56:48):
got to pay to hike to the edgeof the freaking Canyon. But I
digress, oh boy. So we wentback, like, let's go take the
damn tour. I've been to theHoover Dam million times, and,
you know, we go there, and thedamn tour was shut down. Like
one of the again, a day liketoday, where I'm having this
freaking Murphy's Law. It wasone of those freaking days where
nothing was working out, but we,we still had a good time. It

(57:09):
gets you thinking, I'm like, outhere on Buckner. They've been
constructing this road andrenovating it, renovating it,
you know, whatever, modeling it,yeah, for the past probably six,
seven years. Wow. All right,they got potholes on 65 they put
the June Lake exit in, you know,about a year ago, and opened it
up and whatever. And that tookthem years. The Hoover Dam was

(57:31):
built in four flipping years. In1931
we were more efficient, dude.Well, OSHA
didn't exist. I mean, 97 peopledied. So that's about two people
a month. Imagine coming intowork and realizing you could
potentially die building a well,not only that, like, oh, you
hear about Charlie, oh, really,yeah, you know, he fell, you

(57:53):
know? And it's like, oh, well,that two weeks ago, yeah,
Johnny, you know, he fell in thefreaking he was buried in
cement,
um, breaking bread on the giantgirder, right?
We are a soft freakinggeneration. This is so soft,
dude, but it's got me thinkingI'm like somebody at some point.

(58:13):
I don't know why I'm going offon this go in there, buddy, but
you know, you talked about thatyou like you. It was, it merited
another watch. Yeah, I'm gettingto the point. So I'm sitting
there on the big bridge thatthey built to bypass the dam
that was started back when Ilived there. Yeah, okay. Five
years prior to them actuallyputting a shovel to the ground,
they were designing this thing,yeah? And then it took them

(58:35):
another, I think, seven years tofinish. The bridge. Took over 10
years to build, yeah, the dam.Okay, I'll reiterate, the dam
took four flipping years tobuild a marvel of engineering
and create the largest lake inthe United States. Yeah. Okay.
So I'm like, I'm a big fan ofvideos that show like animations
and graphics and flyovers.Wouldn't, shouldn't, you know,

(58:57):
there's got to be something onYouTube. So I go home, we get
back to the Airbnb, I pull up onmy phone, I'm like, you know,
there's got to be something outthere. Lo and behold, some dude
who actually does this onYouTube how things work. He does
like how jet engines work. Hedoes all the animations and
cutaways and stuff like that. Hedid a video six days prior. He
uploaded it. It's got over amillion views on it already.

(59:19):
Nice how the Hoover Dam wasbuilt and how it works. Oh, wow.
It is freaking fascinating.Nice. Because, oh, I
mean, real of that project. ButI mean, bridges are a marvel.
When you, when you cross theGolden Gate Bridge did, yeah,
and you say to yourself, a man,this man maintains this dude,
yeah, I get that. Yeah. This is,let's block the Colorado here

(59:43):
and create a lake that's 700feet deep. How do they Wow in
1931 Yeah, okay, there it was,one guy's vision. One guy right
sat on top of the freaking BlackCanyon looking down. Okay, we're
gonna put a we're gonna blinkriver. You know, you know guy.
Nice. Okay, right about here,yes. Well, let's look at the

(01:00:03):
plans. Right about I need you tobuild a 50 foot diameter. Need
two of them. Want two on eachside, because we're to divert
this entire flipping river 50foot diameter tunnel. I need you
to go a quarter mile up north,and all these guys. You go, you
imagine the guys go. You want usto do what? Yeah,
yeah, there's catering, right,right.

(01:00:26):
There's catering, right. Can Iget some
more sun tan oil or, you know,sun lotion? I mean, Wow, dude,
it's like, it blew my mind. Hey,do you think about a project
like that? It's monstrous. Yeah,big deal. You know, I don't know
that's so, basically, that videois something I've been urging my
wife. I'm like, you shouldreally check this out. Yeah? And
she's like, No, maybe
I'll check it out too. Yeah, Idon't know if I'll watch the

(01:00:47):
whole thing. It sucks you
in. This guy does a great job.Yeah, yeah. What
do you have any interests?Because Jim, Jim loves these How
To videos. So you're a greatchef. You're, I mean, you're,
I've seen videos of you cooking.I cook. So do you all the
cooking in your family? I do
most of the cooking. Yeah, yeah.So scratch you had a great as
much as I can pasta, Azul

(01:01:09):
is, is in my family. And then, Idon't know if you My mom calls
it depression food, because myshe learned all she got all her
recipes from my grandmother, whosurvived the depression him. You
know, I did a paper and I did apaper in high school. I
interviewed my grandparents, andmy grandmother would be like,
Oh, we used to capture thepigeons and we'd fry them up in
olive oil. And I'd be like, andI'd be like, Wow, because I mean

(01:01:31):
they, I mean that it wasdepression,
that was, that was a freaking,just a that was the same
generation, yeah, they built theHoover Dam. That's the same
generation. They're hard. Justlike, really, you need freaking
safe spaces and mental healthissues. Oh,
don't get me started on myBelmont story. But the you know,
and so another one of theDepression dishes is lentils

(01:01:52):
with pepperoni. I forget whatshe calls it, but it's like a
nice lentil dish, pasta, Fauci,except with lentils. With
lentils. Yeah. Do you have aspecial season? Is there
something that your your wife islike, hey, we haven't had such
and such in a while. There'sprobably
a handful, yeah? But, you know,I'm a gardener too, so I just
put it on, well, yeah, because Iwant to use on the earth, I want

(01:02:13):
to do God intended, yeah. So Iget the tomatoes and the peppers
and eggplant, gosh, parmesan,you know, yeah,
when are we coming over? Yeah,exactly. I would, I would like
that. That sounds sotantalizing. Yeah, it really
does.
Yeah. Well, I mean, you know,and then we got a sub freezer,
so the one the tomatoes arecoming in, I mean, it's, it's

(01:02:34):
inundated, yeah, and I gotpictures, but you don't want to
see them, so it's, you got afreezer in the garage, basement,
yeah, it's done in the basement,so that when we make either
sauce, I put it in there, youknow, we have a dinner sauce, or
is it gravy? Well, it, for me,it's sauce, but I got a bunch of
goons in the manger group.
We've never called it gravy. Myfamily, it's always sauce. So I

(01:02:55):
think in
Jersey there is a contingentthey call it gravy,
yeah, like the scene fromGoodfellas when they're in
prison, and the slicing thegarlic with a razor blade. You
know what? I mean, that stuffactually start
a walk. My mouth is water.Garlic keeps you I mean, garlic
is a super, super it is a realdeal. Yeah. I mean, you know,

(01:03:16):
well,
look at the way my wife makesbread.
Oh yeah, his wife makes someserious sourdough. Before the
Panda, before the popularity ofthe pandemic, made sourdough a
thing. Wow, she was always doingit.
Oh, she could make Italian breadlike nobody's business. Yeah,
that's really something, youknow? I mean, because a good
Italian loaf, it's hard to findhere, I'll be honest with you,
there's a Costco Italian loafthat's pretty darn nice. The

(01:03:39):
freaking pizza at Costco ispretty it's not bad, right? Not
bad. I'm with you. Okay, soyou've been here since the early
90s. You came from Washington,so you gotta you're in definite
proximity of good pizza upthere, especially around that
time, yeah, coming down here,you must have been like, Oh no,
going on. Well,
yeah. But, I mean, even in DC, Iknew that, you know, well,

(01:04:01):
there's never a big restaurant Igo right restaurants, because I
think my parents were kind ofreluctant to do that, or my mom
in particular. But if we had,you know, a couple places where
we could get a good loaf, cheaploaf, in DC, we would do that.
And so I'm always looking forthat. There's a, there is a
couple of, there are a couple ofitems that I do go to get

(01:04:23):
locally. Yeah. One is aextremely aged provolone. It's
called stravacchia. And then youcan get that at Coco's market on
51st Okay, um, other things, youknow, a lot less so online. I
gotta say that a couple things Iget online.
Have you? Has the food improvedhere over the years? It
has, but it also with that, it'sbeen about a bunch of restaurant

(01:04:47):
tours from California and thelike that come here, and they're
recreating the California thinghere in Nashville. So it is
upscale. You're paying a lotmore,
yeah, for a lot less. Food,yeah,
yeah, but it's good. No, don'tget me wrong. It's
good. Some Italian restaurantsare popping up. What's the one
of the moment that everyone'sgoing to I forget what people

(01:05:08):
are, four seasons number youshould have Amerigo.
Olive Garden, yeah? OliveGarden.
Endless breadsticks. And thenare you pairing your meals with
with whites and red, you know?Sure.
Okay, well, my wife doesn'treally indulge that much, but
I'm doing it on my end, yeah,
I Yeah. I take care of it on myend. Yeah. I drink for two.

(01:05:33):
When you drink a good wine,it's,
it's incredible, and with theright meal, yeah, we shared a
nice bottle the other night. Itwas nice. What did you have? We
had Cabernet. Was cab. Yeah, itwas a cab, cab with our steaks.
What was your cab? Do youremember the brand and the freak
show?
Something like, oh, it was like,it was somebody's name, like,
Josie or Oh, not Jose. It waslike, it was, gosh, I didn't pay

(01:06:00):
attention. You
know what? The ginzos educatedme really quickly, because,
because the first time I went,everyone's encouraged, of
course, to bring two bottles,and they'll say, we're going
with white tonight because we'rehaving fish, or we'll have we're
going with red tonight, because,you know? So I bring a lot of
times I will buy bottles of winepre ginzo education, based on

(01:06:22):
the title and the label, like,if it's this cute label. So this
goes down in infamy with thegroup. There was a label called
tattoo girl, and it was justkind of like this hot girl,
yeah, man, you know, like on theside of a bomber B, 52 bomber
with all the tattoos. I'm like,that looks like a great wine.
And it was like 1199 like,perfect price. So I show up with

(01:06:44):
a like, and then maybe, like, afreak show type thing, and
they're like, red nose, and theydid, the bottles just sat there
the whole night. And then Irealized, when my friend pulls
me over, he goes, Man, you gotto go with the bees, the
barolas, the bares. Goes, yougot to go with A, B, right? So
then I got to go, then I got togo to Total Wine, or I got to go
to red. Or what's the one onMurphy road there, West End and

(01:07:06):
Murphy road, it's
like a high end. I know whichone you mean. I don't know the
name of
I forget, because this ishappening to me.
I did take my gingko Balboa. Iforgot to take my gingko Balboa
today. But anyways, I got, Ilearned really quick. You know,
you got to buy, like, a nice $30bottle of wine, you know what I
mean. So there's

(01:07:27):
a good songwriter, Joe scotella,yeah, and he works in the wine
industry too, and he's, he'spretty good at finding good wine
that ain't expensive. Yeah, it'snice. So you don't have to get
that 30 but it takes a lot oftrial and error. Yeah, you know,
something that is so kind ofsweet or, or doesn't have enough

(01:07:47):
acid in it, it just, it becomeswhat they call insipid, yeah,
and, and, you know, you'll findout, because you don't want a
second glass of it, yeah,that's, well, they don't even
open these bottles.
They're still there. They'resitting. What's your go to pizza
place? You're, I make my ownpiece. You make your own. I
don't, but if you had, if I hadto,

(01:08:10):
who's the one that we have goneto recently? Well, the Costco
pizza is not bad. It's not, nothorrible. Um, I can't, I'm not
going to say because, I mean, Ihave delved into jet when I was
right, right? But I don't reallycall that a good pizza.
It's quick. It's, yeah, Detroitstyle, yeah, Detroit style. I

(01:08:32):
mean, we give a lot of money tosell those here in Spring Hill,
yeah, Spring Hill
starting to get somecompetition. We've got, you
know, if you ever heard ofJoey's house, yes,
and I have liked it, and it is,but it's kind of gone. They're
not there anymore. That's thereason they're they're out in
Murfreesboro. They've got a anevent space, and I can never
remember macabella or

(01:08:55):
Bella something at Riverside,forgive me, oh,
Bella Napoli, something like themonopoly. It's, it's it. I know
where it isn't. It's not
a restaurant. It's an eventspace where they actually do
catering. Oh, Joey's house ofpizza catering, Joey and the
maca family will do it, butthey're from stat. They're from
Brooklyn, I want to say, yeah.And I had them on my other pot,

(01:09:15):
my own podcast, and we had agreat conversation, because you
went there for the food and thefights, the entertainment,
because they were only open forlunch and dinner, and I think at
some point they stopped colorfulexperience. Yeah. I mean, the
mother would be out there, andthe sister was, like, Maca is
her name is running around likea ping pong ball, and just, you
know, getting people's orders,grabbing pies, doing this, you

(01:09:37):
know, handing order. She's juston on, vibrating on a different
level. Yeah, right. I mean,while the mother is taking other
people's orders, she's asweetheart crescenza. And you
know, Joey's the only one whocould make the pizza. So you'd
be like, coming and be like, goand get this thing over here.
What'd you get there? Hey,honey, how are you What do you
love? That's good, Jim. Yeah,nice kid. Saturday, wisely.

(01:10:00):
Early, just thank you. It was,it was like that. Now, Sal's,
yeah, Nellies is the daughter,not Sal's has nothing to do with
this. Nellies is the daughter ofJoey. Okay,
yeah. And everyone keepsmentioning Vikings pizza. Here
Vikings, good, yeah.
He makes his own. Well, I makemy own. But I mean, if I had to
go out, I'd go out and I'd behappy with what I get about it.

(01:10:21):
So I would
usually ask you the Fast Five,which would usually include your
favorite color, your favoritefood, your favorite drink. But
we're not going to do it becauseI know your favorite food and
your favorite drink is so Jimhas probably got to have some
interesting questions. What arewe calling
them down? We're calling it thedeep five.
All right, I'm gonna get downdeep. Forget

(01:10:42):
some music for it. Here we go.
What are you currently worriedabout?
Getting out of here,
getting out, getting some goodItalian food.
That's not a problem. Yeah,never has been. No
worries. No worries at all.
Oh, no worries. What are youcurrently worried about? It was

(01:11:04):
really nice working at theUnion, and when I stepped down,
I've kind of let go of all myworries. There you go. Kind of,
yeah, what
a great season of life. No, I'm
actually, what I just said is,it's for real, yeah, and I'm not
worrying much. You know, I worryabout my wife's health. I worry

(01:11:25):
about my health. Health is a bigdeal. If you don't have health,
you'd be so other than that, I'mhaving a good time. What's
more, the unusual places thatyou've been
unusual places
all the years of touring, well,all user
touring Australia, China, youknow, looking back on our China
trip with Felix, you know, I, Idon't know if it would even be

(01:11:48):
the same, especially with thishaircut, because they were
really intrigued because of theBoxer Rebellion. Yeah, you know,
they'd see me in the elevator,and they'd be pointing at me and
giggling and stuff like that.And I didn't know why, but then
I figured it out, yeah, Felixand I both figured it out that
it was because they the peoplethat had these style hairdos. It

(01:12:11):
had to do with the BoxerRebellion, and then that was
ended, right? So they hadn'tseen this for a while, yeah?
So, yeah, guys, Vince, if you'renot watching, this has a It's
interesting. It's like a manbun.
It's not a man bun, but it's,
it's just, it's, it's adiminishing circle of hair, that
is, right?
It points, it's backwards. It'sa cool style. It's

(01:12:34):
so unique, right? Yeah, we'll doone
more. What inanimate objectwould be the most annoying if it
played loud, upbeat music whilebeing used.
Well, probably the elevator. Oh,
that's the one I was pretty deepwith the Muzak, you know? Oh
yeah, that's a little Girl fromIpanema arranged for flute and

(01:12:56):
vibes.
That was deep
questions. Not bad. Well, hell,I'll ask you this one, just
because it's going to get underJim's, what's your favorite
color? And if you're serious,it's green. I hope it's not
blue, it's green. We get a lot.Hey, yeah, yeah. Well,

(01:13:16):
I would say the other one is,what's your favorite song of the
moment? Like, not of all time,not an island, desert island
song, but at the moment, what's,what's inspiring you?
Okay, I'll tell you. It's JimmyHendrix, really anger. She
smile.

(01:13:37):
Go. Not golden rose. It's my
shining, metallic purple armor.Queen jealousy, empty envy waits
behind him or her. Finally,green ground. Here's at the
grassy grounds. Blue are thelights with life giving waters
taken for granted. They quietlyunderstand once happy. Turquoise
armies lay opposite ready. Theywonder why the fight is. Bold as

(01:13:59):
Love,
access. Bold as Love. Bold aslow.
I love your process ofelimination. Had to get there.
Yeah, you know,
that's like, that's when someoneasks your social security
number. I have to say the wholething to get the last four
numbers. Well,
it's like,
I don't know how I had to dothis. For some reason, like,
somebody asked me a question,and I would have to recite the
alphabet to get, like, it wasweird. I remember the question

(01:14:23):
would be, but
it was like, I could back the F,Wow,
can you there's no way I coulddo the the back alphabet away.
Yeah, right. Do
you spell race car backwards?You can
R, A, C, E, E, C, A, R,

(01:14:43):
why was that so tough? Becauseit's the same way forwards.
Oh, wow.
Otto, cool, Jim, you're prettysmart for drummer,
you know, because of what's inthis cup. Yeah,
you know, I think is great.Vince, is that I. Can't Believe
It's taken us 28 years to getsocial. But you know, we have a

(01:15:04):
mutual friend with Dave Goodwin,and he, you know, he was
romantic and producing a galnamed von Penn back in 1998 and
we ended up, I think you didsome recording with her. I ended
up doing some recording over atPaul ebersoldt house in Memphis,
the producer. But for the mostpart, I had to learn your drum

(01:15:24):
parts, and it's like a rite ofpassage. When you first moved to
Nashville, you spend a lot oftime being given cassettes, CDs,
and of course, now MP threes andSpotify links. Learn this. Learn
it no for note kid, you know.And so I just, I was always a
fan of your drumming, and nowI'm a fan of you cool, man.
Great. Thank you. Thank you forbeing here. And if kids want to

(01:15:46):
get in touch with you, got aVincent toro.com right? Yeah.
So, and then, Are you active onthe socials? Or I'm
going to be a little more activethan I normally am, but you
know, I'm going to reach out tostuff on Facebook, through
Facebook, blue sky, Instagram,yeah, you know, I'm gonna try

(01:16:07):
and do, do some little videos,nothing elaborate. Well, you
could
probably make the rounds and dolike, you know, today in
Nashville and the local, youknow, morning shows to promote
your new record.
Comes out. Yeah, grab that oldfootage of you doing your your
rap story. I
have a couple clips, andthey're, they're on my Vince

(01:16:30):
santoro.com site, right? Justkind of let people know that
that's not a dead thing, thatthat's still out there.
But I think if you pop, if youfed that into your Facebook and
Instagram feed, tick tock. Itwould give it tons of new life.
Yeah, cool. And then you'd bebooked all the time. You're
like, God, I got this one manshow thing again. I got to do
three times a week. Thanks alot, guys. Yeah, well, not

(01:16:51):
only that, it could be, itcould, know, you another vehicle
to sell the album. Well, that's,that's what I
was hoping, is I'm gonna put allthese things out. You know,
there was another record that Idid with a billy Livesey. Do you
know Billy? Okay, and it'scalled Little Vinny. And this
was the one that was mostly Iwas just playing drums on a
session. He and Tia sillers, Tiasellers, yeah, a lyricist, yeah.

(01:17:13):
They had written a bunch ofsongs, and after I played drums
on all these tracks, he said,Why don't we do a record where
you sing all the songs. So wedid that. So that little Vinny
thing is also going to be on mysite. So, you know, they all
kind of help each other, Iguess, yeah, to some degree,
that's fantastic.
And then people can check out,I'm sure it's rat rascals or

(01:17:34):
Felix have larry.com look forthe look for a tour dates. And
they can see you, yeah, 40 timesthis year, somewhere in this on
this globe of ours. And Jim, Iappreciate all your time and
talent. You're welcome. That wassuper, super fun.
I deserve it. Yes, you do. He
does. He works hard. He really,really does great job. Vince,
thanks for stopping by. You bet.Man. Really do appreciate it.

(01:17:55):
And hey to all the listeners, wereally appreciate you. Hey,
we're probably at this time,we're probably going to have
merch. When this drops, I keeppromising we're gonna have
hoodies and coffee mugs and allthe stuff. So be sure to
subscribe, share, rate andreview. It helps people find the
show we appreciate. We'll seeyou next time. Thanks. Vince,
thanks, Jim,
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