Drumming with Dierks: Steve Misamore's Nashville Journey :: Ep 213 The Rich Redmond Show

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look like a freaking characterout of a zombie thriller. But
when you're done, I don't
know if I would do that. Wedefinitely have to, you know,
pop it in some olive oil. Thisis the rich Redmond show. What
is a is up, folks? Yep, youriPhone, your watch, your clock,
is correct. It is that time.It's time for another exciting,

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always exciting, I hope. Episodeof the rich Redmond Show coming
to you from beautiful SpringHill, Tennessee. We talk about
great things like music,motivation, success, whatever
comes up in the room. Lots ofdrummers. Drummers are the
heartbeat of this city. Withouta great drummer, I mean, a good
drummer can take an average bandand lift them to heavenly

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heights. A bad drummer can takea superior band and just make
the whole thing tank. Now, I'mlucky that I'm talking to my
good pal who is a great drummer.He doesn't get to do it all the
time, but he does have a gigcoming up at the city winery.
He's gonna be playing in a HueyLewis tribute band. Jim
McCarthy. Jim McCarthy,voiceovers.com when is the gig?
Jim, it is may 28

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at City winery, and it's theheart of rock and roll. Dude.
I'm so proud of you becausementally, like, law of
attraction wise, you basicallyjust said I'm gonna play drums.
I'm gonna be in
your BEN, yeah? And the guitarplayer
was in my is in my BNI chapter,and someone connected me to him,
and I invited him in. He becamea member, yeah? And the first
time I met him, I said, Well,just be prepared that I'm gonna

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be your drummer.
Nice guy, yeah, real nice. Ican't wait to come cheer you on.
I've never seen you play a gigas a
first and the last time foreverything. No,
no, you're they're gonna loveyou. And you've been doing the
immersion technique that wealways talk about, which is, you
play along to the music. Youmake your little charts, if you
want to, but for the most part,you're driving around, you're

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working out, you're living themusic. Every time you're in your
car, you're listening to it.Yep, you're air drumming. So
it's going to be part of yourDNA. So I'm excited about that.
Now, before I introduce today'sguest, I'm so excited about it.
You wanted to talk publiclyabout my incredible lack of
knowledge about sports ball.Yes, sports ball. Now, by the
time this episode comes out,somebody will have won the Super

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Bowl, that's right. And who areyou? Sports ball or the Super
Bowl? Sports ball. Sports ball,yeah, I don't know if we could
say the Super Bowl.
Why not? This the awesome bowl?Let's just refer it as that.
Yeah, yeah. It's all thedifferent copyrights they have.
But the the Eagles and thechiefs are playing,
yeah? Those are like twosuperpowers. You know, they

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always have been with celebrityquarterbacks that have the
girlfriends in the public eye.
Well, there's a Travis Kelseybeing on the Chiefs is dating
Taylor Swift. And, you know, Iwouldn't be a bit surprised if
there's a proposal comingSunday, which means that the
Chiefs have to win, and it's allrigged anyway. So

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rigged, yeah, what is thisabout? Conspiracy Theory, guy?
Look at the past games with, youknow, several chiefs instances,
and the way the refs call thegame is questionable,
interesting. They can controlthe narrative and the outcome of
the game by certain calls. Well,we're gonna open we're gonna
open up this conversation to ourguest today. But the most

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exciting thing about Sunday forme is I've checked what's on the
menu for our hosts, and one ofthese things is this creamy.
It's like a chicken dip. It'slike this creamy. It's my
favorite thing. So I'm going tobe just by the bowl of that all
day long,
right? Because you give yourselfpermission to eat badly at Super
Bowl. Heck,
yeah. No breakfast, no lunch,just going in straight for the

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it's almost like a secondThanksgiving. Yeah, okay, let's
get to
this. Because this guy, I mean,I would be, I wouldn't have a
career in Nashville, becausethis guy was so nice to me in
1919 97 when I moved toNashville, this gentleman had
already been here four years,hailing from Houston, Texas,
calling Nashville, Tennesseehome for 33 years. He is an
amazing drummer. He's beenplaying with his artist, Dirks

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Bentley for the same amount oftime that I've been playing with
Al Dean, 26 years. He's playedon two number one songs, two
Grammy needed nominatedprojects. Dirks Bentley over 20
number one songs. We touredtogether back in the day. We got
a lot of stories to share. Ourfriend Steve misomore, What's
up, pal? Thank you so much forhaving me, dude. Thank

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you so much looking great inthat Dolce and Gabbana. Thank
you, nice buddy. Some goat ordeer died for you. Some
animal gave his life so I couldlook good.
Hashtag, cool. And everybodyshould know that you and I are a
long time DW endorsers you gotthe hat on today. A hat on,
yeah, yes. I love dw, yes, yeah.And you're a maple mahogany guy,

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right? Um, actually,
Maple gum. Recently I am. I dohave two maple mahogany kits
too, as well as maple kit. Yeah,
my session kit is a maplemahogany but for the most part,
I'm always just a standard 1980stechnology off the shelf, shelf,
Maple drum
guy you cannot beat mapleshells, straight up, just maple,
yeah, however, Maple mahogany,which I've seen some of the

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stuff you've talked about, yeah,especially for live touring and
all that, is a front house guy'sdream,
birch. Birch is not good or no.Birch is
great too. It just Maple ismaple just has the power the
mahogany in it just kind oftones it down. Just a skosh,
just a little bit because
mahogany, I think, was exportback in the day, Pearl export,

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that was the primary wood theymade, um
exports, a lot of entry levelkits back in the day, like my
first Yamaha stage drum set. Iforget the last stage custom was
Philippine mahogany, which iskind of a very affordable wood,
yeah, but it's got a lot of snapand attack to it, you know,
yeah, it's still
a good sounding wood. But
again, birch are great soundingkits. The Opry did have a birch

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kit for a long time. It was aYamaha recording company. It was
a birch kit. That was a birchsnare. I remember that was like,
I love it was a good soundingkit. I
love me some recording costs,but let
me Can't you just tune a drumthe sound? Make it sound
amazing, no matter what,
for the most part, unless it's acrazy bad out of round Yeah, old

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drum, or even the
bearing edges are off just abit, yeah? Maybe
so. But the thing about dw isthat particularly, their true
tone, their the lugs on thereare, there's a higher thread
count, yeah? So you can reallyget things dialed. And just the
way that they have their build,you cannot mess up a DW drum.
Yeah, I've never heard one whereyou cannot just you hear the

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beat frequency, you can tune itup just like that. They
put the let, the note letter onthe inside of
the still tone. Tap them andyeah, freaking crazy. Yes.
It's like a polite suggestion.Yeah, it's not that this
is where have you ever, like,tuned him to the I
have to say, I have not. I'veexperimented
with but unfortunately, yourintervals necessarily aren't

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gonna be Yeah, what you write,you know aren't gonna be there,
but, yeah, but I don't do that.Yeah, I
think it was Terry bazio. I readin an interview one time he
talked about the musical noteintervals that he had on all his
times. I'm going, Are youserious, like,
a chromatic kit, right? Yeah.So, well,
he's from another planet. Yeah,you played on his kit right over

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there, yeah, at dw, and I've satbehind it is, it's just, where
do you begin? I can't, he does.Yeah,
you work your way left to rightsomehow, yeah? But I get
to left and like, Okay, that'sgood.
It's basically like playing apiano that is drums
right, times 10, right, yeah,

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yeah. Our friend Victor Salazar,you know the drum was for
Chicago. Yeah, he's very muchinspired by Terry, and he has a
Terry bazio inspired drum set.So have you ever,
yes, I have played on that kitlive a long time ago, went to
Victor's place. Yeah? And yeah,he's got that kit. And, you

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know, God, that's about all Icould. He goes, have as much
fun. There's two kids, yeah, Ithink, Oh,
he's got spokes and he's got,like, trash can lids on a remote
high hat. Yeah, he's that guy.Now, it's funny, um, there's,
there's a kid named WayneWilburn, and he was Terry's tech
for the longest of time, but wewent together at school,

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together at Texas TechUniversity, and then when he got
out of school, he moved toAustin, Texas. At the time,
Terry was living in Austin, andI think Wayne was working as
either like a sous chef, or hewas making sushi or something
with a Sue sound. And Terry methim at this restaurant and said,
Hey, kid, you want to so hetraveled the world with Terry
for decades, and he had tunedthose drums every day, wow, set

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him up, yes, very early. Thatwould
be an interesting YouTube videoto watch, to watch the guy.
That would be great time lapseand speed it up. Like, yeah,
sure. Like, Portnoy
needs to do that for his kidthat he's touring with. He has a
monster. He's going to be hereMonday, apparently. Oh, and
you're going to see him. I amnice. You were invited. Jim
likes the Dream Theater, yeah,yeah. I like, you know, the

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occasional girl in the audience,you know,
wow, ouch. We're a rush guy.Were you? I
love rush, but it, you know, Iwas more of a police guy, I
know, yeah.
But as of in their later years,I believe rush had a much
heavier female presence in theiraudience
when they started adding thenews.

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You ever see that the CollegeHumor with Paul Rudd and the
other guy, Jason
Sudeikis, not so DECA. Jason.Um, born that.
Jason Bourne, yeah, but anyway,it was the same guys from, I
love you, man. Oh yeah, nice.And they go backstage to meet
the band, and I think Jason eatsNeil's sandwich. Jason Siegel.

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Siegel, that's right. And that'swhen they go, you know, the the
modern day war today is Tom soyand Getty's looking at, did you
just say Tom soy? That's whatyou say. Like, I don't say that.
He goes, Yeah, you do. It's avery you've now, you've never
seen
the link. I have not. I reallygot, I don't think I've
seen this is a brilliant film.He is. He really is, yeah, yeah.

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I really enjoy his movies.
Yeah, that Neil gets upsetbecause they ate his sandwich. I
did not, I've not seen this.Yeah, yeah. And it basically be
like, I think, I think Neil evensays, as they're walking back
off stage, which probably neverhappened, because I think Neil
just bolted all the time, yeah.He says, You know, I think I
counted five females in theaudience,

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the only one now, Jules Thomasloves rush. You know the DW
educational director.
Oh, yeah. Okay. She Yeah. Sheloves rush, man. Have you seen
the documentary? Which onedocument? Yeah, it
was, How many were there fromthe latest one? There was one in
2011 2012 and my wife and Iwatched it. She kind of humored

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me because we were talking aboutit where I worked, and I'm like,
I gotta get around. You know, itwas called Beyond the light at
stage. And I asked Courtney,hey, you know, do you mind
watching this? And she goes, youknow, if you want to watch it,
let's put it on so we watchedit. She said, you know, that
didn't make me a fan of theband, but I have a deeper
appreciation for what they do.
It was the one that had more ofa personal insight into them as

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people, as players. It showedwhere they came from, and all of
that kind of I thought it wasamazing. I was a huge rush. Was
that the one where they was inhigh school
at the end, they're all sittingat the table getting hammered,
probably, yeah, they're allfreaking just
sloshed, yeah, I just rememberit was just really, really, it
was well done. It was like, welldeserved.
The one that they did for thevery last tour was interesting

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as well, because it really goesinto, like they shut everything
down because Neil was just done,yeah, he says, You don't
realize, you know, going intobeing 60 years old playing this
music, it's a marathon. Youknow? It is so physically
taxing. Your hands hurt, yourfeet hurt. And he was more
interested in mapping out thenext motorcycle route to the
next show.
That was his happy place. I wasYeah. And now, you know our

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buddy, Chris stanky from Sabian,um Jules, his husband is was
very close personal friends withNeil, so they spent a lot of
time together. Mad respect. Imean, that's a lot of music
coming from three people. OhGod. And to think that Walter
Getty could play all of thatbusiness
and doing vamps on the feet. Imean,

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that's five way coordination,
yeah? And they see they all seemlike such cool dudes,
yeah? Especially Alex seemsreally funny. Yeah. You know, we
were actually
doing an episode of this showwith Cole Cole Marcus. Cole
Marcus. And that's the day wefound out Neil died. It was
during an episode I was doing myexecutive producer thing,

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looking stuff up on the internetand whatever, while you guys
were talking. And you see myvisceral reaction of finding
out, yeah, I'll never oh mygosh,
jeez, buddy. All right,
we had his bus driver. Neil'sbus driver was our driver for a
sub driver for one weekend. Sonaturally, I sat up in the
front. Was asking him questions,and he would drive his
motorcycle and the bus driverwould follow him, but he just

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would ride his motorcycle to theto the gigs or to wherever they
were going, Yeah, and he had thebus and he would just follow
him, yeah,
and then he'd somehow have tosleep. At some point. He must
have a strange schedule,because, you know what I mean,
because usually, like, you're onthe bus, yeah, sleeping, yeah,
you know.
Well, he would have to, youknow, I guess it was a guarantee
of him getting to the gig.Somebody had to tell him, yeah,

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you know, totally, where's Neil?I don't know, somewhere between
Oregon and Seattle. He wascrossing between Montana and
Idaho through bear tooth pass.I'm
not a motorcycle guy. I don'ttrust myself. I have you ever
ridden one? Not very scary, veryscary. I mean, like to dress
like I ride motorcycles, right?You know what? I mean, same. But

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I think that I would, if I got amotorcycle, I would go 20 miles
an hour.
See, I got it out of my systemearly. I was an early teenager,
my father bought us, uh huh,well, oddly enough, a Honda
Odyssey. But it wasn't knownthen as a minivan. And back
then, it was a dune buggy, likeit had a roll cage and
everything, big old off roadtires, and you sat in it had a

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steering wheel. It was called anHonda Odyssey. And then the
successor to it was the HondaPilot. Oh, same thing, same kind
of engine and everything. Andpart of that, my father was very
good to us. He bought us a itwas a 1984 200 CCC, CCC, cc
motorcycle, dirt bike thatactually I learned the concept

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of manual clutch and stick shifton that motorcycle. Wow. Wow.
And I wrote it off road, and gotmy father did it, to get it out
of our system so we wouldn'thave a street bike
faster speed manual, five,
five. But it was, you know, withthe gears. It gave you the
concept of how a clutch works,because you had to, you know, do

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this and everything. Your clutchwas on your left hand, and you
did that kind of a thing, wouldthen go through the gears that
way, like a slam, pretty much,yeah, yeah.
Sometimes me and my wife like totake, we have a 2009 Honda
Element, still owned an element,yes, and we have, it's a fight.
It's a stick. Sometimes we likegoing to, like a nice restaurant

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in it, just to see the valetkids go,
what do I do? Yes, instantsecurity. You see, we
see the kid jump in, and oftenhe jumps out, yeah, and he goes
to somebody else, like, there'salways one guy, the older guy,
the older guy, older guy. Andhe's like, Yeah,
I own four of those. And theywere never had the stick, but
over the years, and it was, youknow, $20,000 or less, a great,

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reliable drama. Why
did they stop making them is, isI cannot? I mean, it's so
stupid. They're amazing. Theyand you can, yeah, they're just
ours. Is still incredible. 200200,000 over 210,000 something
like that. Awesome. Yeah?
Those vehicles that it wasdeceptively large, yeah, the
seats out of it. Yeah, youcould, you could fit, like

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another car in
there, and practically can hoseit out just to, just to clean it
out. My so Carrie and my wife'sa florist, a wedding florist. So
has in the past. We have a vannow, but it was like we had it
in the past. Have sometimespacked that thing up full. Yeah,
of stuff, yeah, hey, man,
wedding florist, that islucrative. Yeah, because
General, just, I mean people, Imean, well, yeah. I mean, if one

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little bouquet like get, well,is $150 and then they add the
text, I'm thinking about theamount of flowers that
are about one 800 flowers. Thatkind of a stash. She does, my
wife just does carry an justdoes weddings and events. And we
used to have a floral shop byKroger in Providence in Mount

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Juliet. Yeah. And did that forabout five or six years, and she
just kind of realized it retailis difficult. It's so difficult
doing that kind of thing. So sheloved, she loved, she loves the
one on one with the bride. Sheloves being able to meet the
bride and the mom and make thatvision, her the bride's vision,
come to life. That's the goal,the entire goal. And in that

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process, it's done very, verywell. So she's usually booked
out a year and a half. That'sweddings are kind of booked out
that far. But she's booked outshe can work as much as she
wants to. So
is it a thing where, like, theydesign it? So she has a
relationship with a vendor.She's got to go get the flowers.
Pretty much still, she'll have ameeting with the with the bride,
and figure out, sometimes theyhave an idea, sometimes they

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don't, sometimes they'll have alook book or some sort of idea,
even if they don't have anyidea, Karen is like, what's your
favorite color? Let's go fromthere. And then Carrie Ann will
kind of mock up or come togetherand say, Okay, this is a kind of
bouquet we can do. And what yourbudget? If it's too much, let's
figure out. Let's figure out away to make it
work for you. With dandelionsare in your more of your budget

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range,
that would be more my budgetclovers Clovis,
how long you crazy kids? Beenmarried?
20 years, nice. 20 years haspassed, yeah?
So really, kind of like rightafter we were all doing because
you and I, here's the deal. Iwant to go back to Barbara's,
but we were on the roadtogether, so you're, you're

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talking to a younger Jason lDean Dirks Bentley and Miranda
Lambert all coming up together.So playing like nightclubs,
fairs, three quarter basketballarenas, and we either opened up
for you on some things, or wewould do things where we would
take turns as headliners, kindof a thing. And we were, at the

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time we're doing somewherebetween 180 and two, 200 chosen
the year would have been oh60708, something like that. So
oh six would be coming up on 20years. So you guys got married
right around that time,
2004 Yeah, yeah. Wow. Nice. Goodfor you. Actually, remember,
remember, you know, actually,you know, here's this funny
story as last year, maybe acouple years ago, we were

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sitting in bed and watching TV,yeah, and we were both kind of
like, and I just realized, I waslike, it was June, like, the
10th or 15th, or something likethat. And I was like, Oh my God.
And she's like, what? And I waslike, our wedding anniversary
was, like,
two weeks ago. That's awesome.We both forgot, right? And so
we were like, oh, you know, wewent to Laughlin table last

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week. It's, it's our favoriteplace. Lachlan tape went to
Laughlin table. And I was like,and I was like, well, let's just
count that as they were like,okay, yeah, that's how you
marriage. Well, you
got to do something special forthis year. That's what my wife
and I did for our 20
we bought a plane. Okay, forgetBarbara.

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Tell us about this. You know.Because we were talking and
burning through this, this greatconcept of you, obviously your
world class Dr, your careerdrummer, when he started flying
airplanes, flying
airplanes started in 2013
All right, so Dirks flies, yeah,and we've both. Both are like
aviation nerds, and talked abouthe got his private pilot's

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license in in college, yeah, buthe hasn't flown in a long time.
So when he made he startedhaving the kids started coming,
he really was starting to getthat desire of being able to get
back to the gig quicker. Our bigget home from the gig quicker,
and was able to buy a Cirrus.And he offered me the

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opportunity to go ahead and getmy private pilot's license too.
So I was like, absolutely. So Igot my private also with the
spirit that you would sometimesbe put to work, to fly the band
home, to fly the hand home. Yes,no,
there would be FAA regulationsand sort of safety issues. Okay,
we did not, all right, so, yeah,I was flying, and then lo and

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behold, last year, it just kindof made more sense to purchase a
plane. Her name is Charlene, asI told you earlier, since 1981
152,
wow. 1981
plane, right? No,
well, yeah, 40 something you'reconsidering a legacy plane. Yes,
you could play, you could changeout all the engines.

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It's got a, it's got a fairlyrecent engine in it, and you can
change out other things. Gotgood bones. So it's got good
bones because she's a beautifulplane. A lover. Yeah? So much
fun. So much fun to fly. Yeah?So me, my wife, we've gone to
Chattanooga, and we've, we'veflown a little bit, and the idea
is just to be able to fly toAtlanta, see the god kids, or
fly down to Huntsville, or seefriends, or, you know, within an

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hour flight kind of a thing, andhave fun.
Who are you God kids? To
Paul Hart. Paul and AllisonHart. Do I know Paul will? He
used to be an engineer, actuallyat I worked with Paul back in
the station, okay, all right.And he got out of the music
business, right? He got out ofthe music business and they
moved. They live outside ofAtlanta, North East of Atlanta,

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and that he works for a companythat does data acquisitions for
construction. That's as close asI can explain it.
Data acquisition. Isn't thatwhat Elon Musk is doing right
now? Probably. So let's open thefront lines and see what you
think. Yeah, one 800 I made
a political joke. Guys, oh mygosh, great guys. Is the first

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time for everything. So Iremember Paul Hart now, now
speaking about Sony, Sony tree.This is kind of like, like a
linchpin in your story. This isa, it's just like, if you have a
book that's a dog ear, you'redog earing that page, because
that's how you met Dirks, rightthrough Sony tree. No, not

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through Sony tree. Actually, he,uh, he was playing down on
Market Street, on Second Avenue.Yep, that's a, it was a club
right Market Street. Yeah, it'sstill there, is it, but it has
been shut down for years. Andthen after the bomb, I'm not
even sure what happened when youwere in the Christmas Day bomb
and Christmas, I think there wassome damage, but I'm not sure. I
don't really remember I playedit. We even played there, huh? I

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played there in the cornerMarket Street is a little tiny,
yeah, never had, never hadbefore. It's crazy. But he
called and was like, I dobluegrass and 5060, shuffles.
And I was like, at the time Iwas playing, it was post
Barbara's, and I was playing,like, at Legends and a few of
those places that played countrymusic, yeah,
legends and Roberts, how muchfor the drummer in the window

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too.
So I was like, Absolutely, I'mthere. And so he went to these
great players on that tinylittle stage there with the TV
above you. And he would bring inhis pa at a big, wide his truck.
He still has the same truck pullup there and all that. And then
Carrie Ann would come, would runthe tip jar, or his girlfriend
at the time would run the tipjar. And any it's really good

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players. And it was just great.It's just great country music,
yeah, and mostly bluegrass. Nowthe Sony tree thing. How that
happened? Yeah, I had a parttime job working at Sony tree in
the tape room. I workedoriginally on a project that was
you would take the archives. Youwould take two track, two inch
or a quarter inch tape, twotrack, reel to reel, yes, and

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you transfer that to digitalaudio tape, to that tape, and
then catalog and stuff. So thisis like listening to old demos
from the 70s. What a cool job.It was amazing. You're
being paid to be educated aboutthe history of Nashville, 100%
and
they used to have also, theyused to have it in the tape
room. They had a wall full 1000,like 1500 to 2000 records. So

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anything that they'd ever gottena cut on over the years, they
got a copy of it. Just pull outan album and listen to stuff.
And this is at the time I wasworking at barbers, when it was
like nine to three in themorning. A lot of times I would
at three in the morning comeback and do tape order,
sometimes just till like six inthe morning, just just to come
back and like. Listen to morelisten more tunes, and I'll
listen to old country. It was ahuge education on traditional

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action, you know, traditionalcountry music. So yeah, your
shuffle is good. It was therefor a while. It's kind of
gone away. Well, no one playinga damn shuffle. But I remember
when I met you in 1997 atbarbers. Let me just tell you
this, the scene was PatMcDonald, Lee Kelly.
Oh, my God, Lee. Lee Kelly asmatter, if I got to give a shout
out to Yes, he was the one thatrecommended me to Dirks, because
he had played with Dirks downthere. And Lee Kelly was like,

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You got to call Steve misomo.He, like, he's more cut out for
this. Yeah. Lee wasn't, I don'tknow if he wanted to do the gig,
yeah, but yeah, I've told Leetoo. I was like, Man, I owe you
a beer.
Yeah?
So that's just that ourgeneration, Pat McDonald, Lee
Kelly, me, Jim Riley, we'regoing down to Barbara's, which
is in, which was in printersalley. You had to walk down the

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stairs. And there they had musicseven nights a week, 365, it was
a real scene. Dudes playingcountry music, and you were
always on the drums. And so JimRiley and I come with our
diligent shirt and our pagers.He's
gonna deny this, but he becausehe has denied it before, but I
swear to God, because it isburned into my brain. When he
came down to barbers, he hadlong, curly hair. Yep, you you

(26:12):
knew? Yeah, you guys fanny pack,right? A fanny pack with a
zillion shirt Yep. And came in,and I was like, in between the
break, I was like, I'm guessingyou're a drummer. And he's and
he's so nice, and we met rightaway, and he was kind of, he was
into his North Texas State, sohe got up and played and stuff.
Was playing on the thimblestands and playing on the way,

(26:34):
yeah, it was crazy. Oh my god.It was crazy.
It was hilarious. He's like,here's my showcase, here's my
shot. Yeah,
here's my shot, right? But He'samazing. He's incredible drummer
today, even, and, and once hekind of figured it out, but it
was, it was fun because we wereliving together. You guys didn't
you guys were roommates, yeah,for a while. And then,
you know, he, he played on lowerBroadway, and then he got the

(26:55):
chestnut cake pretty early on.But you were so nice. You know,
you were just a nice cat. You'relike,
oh yeah, call me on a good day.
It's like, I'm really not thatnice.
Come on up. So you just letfolks sit in Sure, yeah, kind of
part of the thing and stuff.
And sometimes it worked,sometimes a day Fowler,

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sometimes it didn't. Oh my god,I thought about that name, Rod
Jensen. Rod Jensen, yeah, he wasin Dirks band, yeah, the first
six years. He had
a yeah tenure with you guyswho's in the band now?
Well, I don't even know theirnames. I don't really wasn't
Robbie Harrington in the bandfor a while. Robbie Harrington
was in the band for a while, butnow it's Cassidy season beyond
base. That's right. Cassidy andTim surgeon, who has been in the

(27:38):
band for 18 years. We did Pam,tell us together. He did the
Dixie Chicks. He's Skaggs foryears. Great music, great funny,
funniest guy in the band. So dryDan hors on fiddle and guitars
and stuff like that. A bandleader too. Charlie warsham,
that's right, because we playedthis for a few years now. Ben
helsin, who also Skaggs, playedin Skaggs as band, yeah. Am I

(28:03):
missing anybody? No, I thinkthat's it, yeah. And then Dirks
Bentley on acoustic. And
then your drum tech, is it stillJay BJ
Abner, I was doing drums andbass.
Wow. Now, where did Jay go? Hegot into, more into Road,
managing a production. You got
into, yeah, I don't know hethink he's, I'm not sure who
he's out with right now, um, hegot in. He was Production

(28:24):
Manager with us, and then heleft and went to, I can't, I'm
not sure you
remember Miranda's early band.There was a the drummer, Keith
sabrosky. Remember Keith waswith Miranda, and then, because
he was in a, he was in a poprock band, I forgot what it was,
nine tails, or that one hit, isthe story of a girl, that one,

(28:47):
and I thought he was alive forman, but he just, I just, I
don't, yeah, he,
you know, changes, not foreveryone. Were changes, yeah,
there were changes. Everybody toyou, there's gonna be some
changes made, and you'reactually, yeah, everybody ended
up getting, you know, beinghaving about 20 number one
songs, yeah, if not more. Thisis incredible, yeah. Well,

(29:09):
thanks for letting me sit inwith with my fanny pay. It's
kind
of crazy. This is you've doneamazing. And also, too, I wanted
to give a shout out to you. I'vealways wanted to tell you this
because you, thank you to you.Thank you to you. This is
already getting weird, isn't it,you are singly responsible for

(29:30):
putting national drummers on themap. Wow, I think yes. If they
had to say, well, who did it?Well, rich Redmond drop that
mic. Who's Who's told you thatbefore? Boom, yeah. So thank
you. Well, thanks. I met him
back in the day when we did alot of that, and I guess I had a
hand in helping you, I
would say, because Jim wasalways like, shout from a
mountain top all the world, youexist

(29:51):
and get all the video contentout there. We did, like, a
couple of videos where peoplethought you were a comedian. Oh
yeah. People were like, Thisguy's a drummer, or is he a
comedian? It's like, you know.No, take it as a, you know, it's
one of those things that, youknow, you got a lot of shade for
it, but, you know what? Whocares? You just
got to persist. And you got tothere's only one you right?
Every every snowflake that fallsto earth, this is crazy. That's

(30:14):
proof of God, every snowflake isdifferent. Yeah, that's crazy.
Yes. How many different ways canyou make a snowflake? You can
make them the red. You can makethem blue, either way. I mean,
cheese. I
got a little political there fora second.
Oh, my god, wow. This is good.Jim, you're next. You know,

(30:34):
good. Here are my thoughts onabortion. Is that a billboard?
Did you get that from Bill notbill burr. It was, oh gosh,
what's his name? The other, theother, yeah, is that Bill Burr?
It was silver, yeah, it was, itwas another shouting
comedian. So one of the I
got, what's his name, it

(30:54):
wasn't Sebastian maniscal. Editthis
later, the guy, the guy who gotcanceled for a season,
oh yeah, it was Louis
CK. He touched himself, yeah, hesaid he started out
as act, yeah, I'm
in Toronto and but I thought itwas Bill berth. I don't
know that I heard Louis CK doit, and I thought that was

(31:16):
hilarious.
My wife surprised me one a fewyears ago with the pre pandemic,
with a great surprise. She goes,we're going to Boston. She goes,
I'm not going to tell you whatit is. I was like, Okay, let's
go to Boston. And we loveBoston. Boston's amazing. And I
thought, you know, I'm kind of Iwas like, I don't want to be
surprised. I want to besurprised. I don't want to try
to look it up and spoil it oranything like that. Although I
did see that sticks was playingin town. I was like, well,

(31:37):
that's that'd be kind of cool.Yeah, I was a huge sticks fan.
Was a kid and Todd, what's up?And, and, yeah, is amazing. But
so we got to Boston, and she hadsurprised me. Every year they
have a comedians at the garden,the gadgets comedians or
something. It's a fundraiser,obviously, yeah, and I'm gonna

(31:58):
forget David, Dave Chappelle.No, not Dave Chappelle, but from
up there. He just is in a I'mgonna forget the name. I cannot
believe in forgetting this name,but I just remembered the story
a bunch of comedians from upthere, and a night packed house
in the garden. We got theymessed up our seats, so now we
got third row seats. Nice. Itwas unbelievable. And I thought

(32:20):
that's what Bill Burr said,because he was like, that is,
well, let's, well maybe, let'scalm this down. But no, you
could, you're but we saw CK inToronto, and so he could have,
maybe it was that. So I'm yourmemory, I bet is better than
mine. I remember seeing it on,like, one of these Netflix

(32:40):
special kind of things thatpopped up. I'm like, I'll check
it out. And I probably watchedit for about five minutes until
I bailed out on it. But that'show he opened it. There might
be that might that's kind of hisstyle. Total dark suitcase just
comes right out. Yeah. But thething in Boston was so amazing.
It was I had never laughed sohard. Laughter is such good
medicine. And when you're thirdrow, you are in grave danger of

(33:04):
being picked on. We thought, so,yeah, fortunately, it was, it
was, I mean, it's so, I mean,you know, it's the garden. So, I
mean, you're just so manypeople. I mean, you guys went
there, right? Have you playedthere? No, no, not the garden.
Have you you guys talking about,you're talking about the Boston
Garden, Boston Garden, TDGarden, the Boston probably 10.
We did it. We did the BostonStrong concert with Harold Smith

(33:26):
and Boston the band, the band.It was crazy. Another favorite
Carol King was Steve Gadd underrums, who, Yeah, that guy and
Gad we trust, well, well, man,that is I, man, I appreciate you
saying that dude is, uh, I'mglad that we all benefited,
because Nashville is a it isright up there with New York and
LA as far as, like, a beautifulmusical community, and as far as

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the drum culture, like we arethick as thieves, and we really
do lift each other up andsupport each other, we do. We
do tell ourselves that drummersrun this town, that we're the
only people we tell but yeah, it
all starts with a song. Butunless you have that beat to
bring it to life years, I mean,it's poetry, just
leave it on paper.

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So no drums, just simply poetry.Well, it
really is. It's from a guitartown, strictly guitar town into
everything, yeah, yeah. And thatsong that's really cool. Well,
songwriting town primarily,yeah, but that's something fun
for me. And I'm sure you've seenthis too, or asking you if
you've seen this as well.Probably for me, in the past 12

(34:31):
years, the playing leveleverybody is good, yeah, you
know when they're out.
It wasn't like that when he cameto town, though. No, really what
my
experience was, uh, was a lotdifferent. There was, like,
because I came, like, comingfrom Houston to here, when I was
in high school, I would sneakinto clubs with a fake ID to see

(34:52):
Herman Matthews play. I
was gonna ask you about Herman.Yeah, and so for those that
don't know, Herman did his stintwith tower power. He was. He
was, he was a Houston drummer. Ithink he lived in Austin for a
while, and he's been an Angelenofor a very long time. Yeah,
but he's, uh, he's incredible.And so I used to sneak into
clubs, and he was so nice, and Icould groom him and stuff, and

(35:12):
yeah, answer questions and stufflike that, yeah, um,
but, uh, what's I saying? We'retalking
about the quality musicians inTexas, okay,
okay, yeah. There were thequality, the musicians, the
musicians, oh yeah, when wefirst moved in town, sorry, when
we first, yeah, when we when Ifirst moved to town, there's a
couple guys you could go seethat were really, that were

(35:33):
good, that were really, reallygood. I remember Ricky guy named
Ricky Sawyer that used to playdown at the bullpen lounge.
Remember that the stockyard?Yes. Go watch him play. I go
watch Mike Kennedy play. MikeKennedy guy, rest his soul.
Yeah, and there wasn't that manyplaces after that that there was
a few guys, the guys that, theguy that played at skulls,
Johnny,

(35:55):
Johnny Hyland, not to our player
he played with, I can't believeyou get his name. This happened
with, played with paycheck.Yeah, he had a really, his right
hand was absolutely incredible.Used to do a lot of jazz stuff,
yeah, I think back today. But heplayed at skulls. He was like a
regular skulls,
Rainbow Room is also, for thosethat don't know, if you haven't

(36:15):
visited Nashville yet, we havethis thing called printers
alley. Barbara's was in there.Skulls Rainbow Room was in
there. And I think it's beenrevamped, and it still exists.
It's supposed
to be an amazing restaurant, butnow it's been there. Supposed to
be, yeah, supposed to be reallynice. And
also there is the bourbon Boogieblues, urban street, yeah,
Bourbon Street, right? Is thatstill there? That's still there,
still there. Multi Level, funkyplace with live music. 365 man.

(36:39):
I remember when they just firstopened up, yeah, down there. And
we go, like, on our breaks andgo see them play, and their band
come down and, yeah, see us playtoo. Remember Eddie Dunbar? Oh,
yeah. I thought that whole, thatwhole incredible era, yeah, this
was the 90s guys. I mean, youmoved her here during the gone
country boom. And then in 97when Jim and I moved here, it

(36:59):
had started to die a little bit.It's it felt, it felt a little
bleak. Everyone was grabbing atstraws, yeah. And then in the
early aughts we got the faithhills and the Martina McBrides
and Faith Hill was the 90s.Just, uh, well, yeah, you're
right, you're right. Um, butjust the drums, the Shania,
just, it all started gettingturned up, you know, started

(37:19):
getting bigger drums. Biggerdrums. Lonnie Wilson, Brian,
yeah,
but I'll say, as a drummer,watching it from afar, because
right around the time you guyscame to prominence with Dirks,
was oh five, yeah, right, yeah.So you've been already, you
know, free
and easy, right? Is that thefirst song goes a lot of
leaving.
Left. What was, I think it wasthe first hit? What was it?
Lincoln,

(37:39):
yeah, lot of leaving. Was
the first release, though, thatwas no,
no. I was like, maybe third,third single, something like,
because we,
we, we both did the Georgestraight tour, opening for
George
Amber Dotson. We played foursongs. I remember
you and me talking aboutKennedy's kid, yep, and we had
to play Kennedy's kid. Like,it's just different. Just got to

(38:03):
sit down and make it happen. Youcan't. I mean, it's not going to
be set up the way you normallysay. You don't. You can't move.
Nothing that's got to be, is hea high cedar because that's,
I don't remember.
We just, I think he allowed usto raise or lower snare drum. I
don't even remember. I don'tthink I just sat down and
played, yeah, it wasn't thathard, actually for me back then,

(38:23):
just because sitting on, sittingwhen you're when you're
clubbing, when you're gigging,when you're just freestyling,
you're sitting behind all kindsof stuff all the time, so you
just kind of got to make it,make it work, yeah? But I
remember both of us talking,going, Wow, I don't even
remember what it was that wascrazy, either. It was nothing
that was crazy.
It was all it was all arenas,and we got to do four songs, and

(38:43):
you guys got to do, I think 45Amber Dotson. She was supposed
to be the next big traditionalcountry gal,
Sony tree actually, that'sright, she was a Sony tree
writer, as a matter of fact. But
who was the Leanne Womack kindof persisted and kind of beat

(39:04):
her out of the position. Yeah,yeah.
Amber Dodson, I have not thoughtof that name or heard that name
in years. Boy. She was
really good. She really wasreally, really good. You guys
really. She had the big hair,the big Texas country hair. He
also was in that band. It was,uh, it was Jason's band, yeah, I
was, yeah, it was, you guys withGary Morse. She was basically,

(39:24):
oh, sorry, me, Kurt Tully, Daveristrom from the steel player,
from Luke Bryan, okay, foreverand ever. Now Travis toy is
doing it, yeah, but yeah, thatwas the bad, my God, I can't
even thought about that crazy.That is awesome that I just
grabbed that. Wow. He was

(39:48):
right around the time in oh fivewe were in Vegas, because I was
in radio, and we started toyingaround with an ocean, like we
started looking in Easter toeasterly to start moving back to
where we were. From but wedidn't want to go back to
Connecticut, so Nashville cameup as an option. Yeah, and
Courtney and I, at the time, wetook a vacation to go to Tampa,

(40:09):
and because Nashville was on thetable, we started listening to a
lot of country music. Yeah, andat CMT at the time that was in
heavy rotation. Was that song?Maybe that's why I'm confusing.
A lot of leaving left to do wasthat you playing on that video?
Play on in the video? Yeah, weshot, I remember we did, shot
the video at antones in Austin,right? That
like it was a motel.

(40:31):
Well, one of the scenes maybe,so, yeah, yeah. I don't remember
you look like, remember we didantones? I remember that was
kind of
neat. It looked like SebastianStan playing the drums, sure.
Yeah, Bucha. I've had, I've hada few looks,
but I remember thinking as adrummer, going, these guys are a
lot more rock than anything,yeah, you know. And that's what
it really appealed to me. Andthen, of course, we saw hicktown

(40:52):
Come out, yeah? And I said tomyself, Oh my gosh, I can play
this so much better. Totally,totally,
whatever. I mean, I have
witnessed it. I'd say that intongue in cheek, but, yeah,
just, but it was, it was reallylike, and Dirks was a huge,
like, driver of our love forgetting into country, good. We
so enjoyed that song, good. Andhe seemed like such a cool like,

(41:13):
he seemed just like a nice guy,yeah? And he's, literally,
he's the same as what you wouldimagine, what you see in
interviews and stuff like days,yeah,
he is just a nice dude,approachable, you know, it's
like, for a bunch of side guys,he didn't have to remember our
names. You know, he's the kindof, like, Rich. What's up,
buddy? Doing? Hey, I like theshirt, but I like your shirts.
He was
kind of like an early version ofyou where he did that, and he

(41:36):
knew that the politics of itwould benefit him, like he would
remember his people's names andstuff like that. Apparently, he
was working at the Opry. He wasa grinder.
He worked at tnn. Did heactually at the same time I was
working at Sony tree, theNashville network folks? Yeah,
and he was doing similar kind ofthings, like archiving and that,
I'm not even Yeah, he did somearchiving type stuff, I'm not

(41:58):
sure. And he would always sneakin over the opry to a point to
where they were, like, theycontacted his boss over at tnn
said, Look, we love Dirks, buthe's been sneaking onto the he's
been around too much, right?
Interesting. Get this guy here?Yeah. It had to be is, yeah,
remember, yes, yeah. I mean,that makes sense. It's almost

(42:19):
like, you know, a lot of that,that Dirks beat on a lot of his
songs, is that Waylon four onthe floor thing, yeah, cutting,
cutting. But it's, like, justserved up with like, a lot of
muscle. So he's like, the new hetook over that groove.
He did. He really did. Yeah, Imean, that was Steve Brewster
that did the heavy lifting andall those records. And Brett
beavers was a producer atstation West. I think station

(42:40):
West, yeah. Luke wooden, I thinkhe might have CO produced that
too, engineered it and, andthat's all that, and that's
still there, yeah. JT, cornfloss, yeah, um,
he was a guitar player on allthat stuff. Jim, fantastic
session player, yeah. And I, Iwas lucky enough to do a couple
things, not on Dirks and stuffoutside of that, and just yeah,

(43:02):
just amazing. And, um, but theythat team, that team, just,
yeah, there's they. They had thedirk sound at that time dialed
in. Yes, really, well, reallyfun, really good. And now
you're at it just, just thisbeautiful part of your career.
We're talking about, hey, we do50 shows a year. You guys
probably do around 50 shows ayear, and it's in a compressed
period of time. It's not spreadover 12 months. So you can do

(43:24):
other activities, and you couldplan your spring breaks and have
a little bit of a life and notjust be No, can't make the
graduation, no, can't make thewedding, no, can't make the
funeral, because we're just wedid man years
you probably have. We did, like220 days might have been the 300
days on the road was the record,was the record, I think, yeah,

(43:46):
and I think we did, or we didthe longest stretch. We did 41
shows in 45 days. I mean thelongest, the longest shops run.
But I mean you guys too. I mean,it's like everybody, kind of,
that's what I don't know aboutnowadays. But, like, back then,
that's what you did.
I don't even know you have to doit. Now, it seems like people
like, I'm not going to mentionnames, but everybody knows who
they are. They just went fromtheir first single to maybe by

(44:11):
the fourth single. They'replaying sold out stadiums. Oh
yeah, because of Tiktok, becauseof social media. Social media,
you could, you could affect alarger group of people in a
shorter period of time. Whereasback in the day,
technologically, we had flipflops, we had the CMT message
board, and we went out and weplayed every rock club, we
played every county fair, weplayed every state fair, we did
the half basketball arenas. Wejust played and played and

(44:33):
played and you did two shows onSunday. Yeah,
you know, it's been awesome. ButJason did the same thing. Is
that Dirks would spend at least,you know, even if we were doing
a festival, maybe only played 45minutes or half an hour, he
would spend an hour and a halfsigning autographs. Wow, like at
that, you know, you go to thetable. He saw you. Saw the value
in it. Yeah, absolutely, he knewhe knew what. We
actually went to the opry thefirst time to see him. Oh,

(44:56):
really, our first time at theopry was reason why we went was
because of him, yes, and it was.Trace. Adkins was playing there
too at that night. And a coupleof it might have been Little Big
Town and stuff like that, but wewanted to go see Dirks. Yeah,
nice. How'd
we do? Fantastic. It was a lotof fun. It's funny because I
think back to my days in radio.There was a radio show called

(45:18):
Opie and Anthony, and they hadthis bit, and they were kind of
racy. They were blue, where theywould listen to top 10 or 20
country music listings at thetime and try to guess what the
song was about based on thetitle. It was a very funny bit,
yeah, but they taught Dirks wason the charts at that time with
one of his songs. And they'relike, Who is this guy? It sounds

(45:40):
like he could be a characterthat Arnold Schwarzenegger
plays. I am Dex Bentley.
Like, holy crap. That reallycould be character. I don't
know. I thought that
was Dirk, Dirks digler, duxBentley, Dirks Bentley and Dirk
people need,
yeah, wow.
You know it's a testament, it'sa testament to your, you know,

(46:02):
your the quality of yourdrumming, and who you are as a
person that you've had this jobfor since day one. Yeah, you
know what I mean, it's like. And
I think he's probably a veryloyal guy. I
would say it's a reflection onhim. Yeah,
not to take away your great Iknew what I saw you in that
video. Like this guy, he's afreaking monster,
all your kind, he's but Dirksis, he's just, he's just so much

(46:26):
fun. He just, it's just, youknow, and there's and there's,
there's been rough times too,but, I mean,
we've just kind of made it, madeit through and all that, but,
but everybody in the band, thisband, particularly, I mean,
Charlie's the newest member, Iguess, really, and then Ben, but
for the past 10 years, and it'sjust so much fun. There's really

(46:47):
no other way to put it. It just
it needs to be fun, right? Imean, that's a big perk of our
industry. So tell us about thealter ego hot country night.
I've never heard of.
No idea what you're talkingabout. Hot Country nights.
What's to say about the whatcan't you say it? What can you
say? Well, that 90 sounds sogreat. Yeah. Well, we used to

(47:10):
yearn. Maybe is, I don't know ifthat's a weird word. Yes, it's a
weird word. So I'll use it yearnto play something other than,
like our normal show, includingDirks, or like, you know, we'd
say, man, we should go, go backto Robertson, but we can't do
any of those kinds of thingswithout the bar owner knowing
it, yeah, and wanting, they'regonna make a they're gonna want
to sell beer, and they're gonnaadvertise for it. They want to

(47:30):
splash it. So we decided that wewere kind of trying to figure it
out. And I think Cassidy and Dankind of came with the idea of
trying to, trying to play like aVFW hall, maybe the one up on
Gallatin, yeah. And Dirks waslike, I want to play too. I'll
play acoustic. I'll just put acowboy hat on and be in the
back. And we're like, Cool.We'll play, like, I don't know.
We'll figure it out stuff. AndCassie, I think, was like, let's
do just keep it thematic and dosome 90s country kind of stuff.

(47:52):
I'm like, Yeah, that's cool.That's cool. We all it's, you
know, wouldn't have to reversethat much, you know. We'll know
all that stuff. And somehow itevolved into it, because we're
always doing bits Anyways, onthe bus, on stage, anytime. It's
always bits, you know, so andit's always about the bit. And
then it kind of evolved intothis, into the into what it is,

(48:14):
into costumes, and then westarted making a story around
it. And these guys are frommoose knuckle, Tennessee, and
they really wanted to back inthe 90s. They were gonna, they
were gonna be the thing. Theywere so close back. They were so
close. And now they're making acomeback again. And all that
John Osborne from was, wasplaying acoustic guitar also in
the band, and it just kind ofevolved in there. And one thing

(48:37):
led to, oh, we played, we didplay the VFW hall there in
Gallatin. Yeah, several times.In fact, Dirks would even bring
in, like, bought a bunch ofliquor, because they didn't
have, they had some. They hadkind of a bar there, yeah, and
they weren't doing that well.And so he brought in a bunch of
his, his own liquor that he hadbought, and just said, Sell it.

(48:57):
You know, nice. The place waspacked. It was absolutely
packed. What was this man? 2000Oh, 16, maybe. Oh,
wow, I'm not even sure. Now, isMary Hilliard still your
manager? Oh, yeah, okay,
guys, she has, yeah, she'sstuck. She's stuck around.
Mary's great love. Mary totally.She's like,
the Knights are gonna, they'renot gonna, it's not gonna work.

(49:22):
Oh, well, kind of has, but no,but the VFW hall was, was such a
fun gig. And the neat thingabout it too, is like, when you
walk in there, it's like, it'ssmell like barbers, you know? It
has the cigarette, yeah? Kind ofbut, boy, it was so cool,
though. It was so much fun. Iwas loading in my own drums and

(49:44):
setting, you know, yeah, and thewhole thing and all that. But
then one thing led to another,and then Dirks was able to talk
to the gang at Capitol, and theygot some money for us, and we
went and recorded a record. Andthe songs were, were, some of
them were pitch songs, some werethe some were co written. Yeah.
Yeah, brilliant, brilliantlydone. Terry Clark was on it. I
have to go revisit this. I'mashamed of myself. Yes, it was

(50:06):
so, so so good. And like I said,we had it teed up, and we did
Jimmy Kimmel. And Saturday NightLive, we were on the radar. And
they were like, someday they go,when you guys kind of get a
foot, you know, we definitelywould be interested in looking
at this. And we were going to doFallon and probably Colbert
also, and the pandemic hit. Oh,and man, it just

(50:28):
so it's like a country versionof spinal tap. It's
totally cut. Yeah,
dude. Moose book, knuckle,Tennessee. No. Do you have a
character? Who's your character?Monte Montgomery? Yes, Monty
Montgomery. And you'll have togo to
go to go to Hot Countrynights.com that's hot country
nights.com, and you can, and youcan see a lot of the videos and
the bits that we've done overthe years and stuff like that.

(50:49):
Do you wear like, like a, like,a mullet?
He's not really a mullet guy,but he's kind of matches his own
thing. Okay? Enigma, Douglas
Doug, Douglas son, you,
holy moly, terror, terror, yes,
he's from Russia.

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Terry's from Russia. How do youhow do you say that last
name? It's just Terry. Terry.It's just Terry. It's like
he can pronounce it. Youpronounce it.
See, you guys have created yourcharacters as a backstory, and
then, and then all the inbetween, Song banter is off the
cuff.
Yeah, it ended up being like,like, we we started to open our

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shows, like, in like, as youguys, yeah, as nights, like,
opening up whoever was theopening act, and I'd sit in on
their kit. Yeah, what we do isthe amphitheaters and stuff in
the summertime, and are the bitsjust, would we just, would kind
of just winging it, and then wekind of Diego, that was good.
Let's do this and all that'skind of still the way we do. So
now what we do on the on thetour, I don't know what we're
going to do this year, but whatwe have done is Dirks ends his

(51:57):
show, and then the we have a preroll that comes on, so in pre
roll video and all that. Andit's Lauderdale, John
Lauderdale, or Jim Lauderdale.Jim Lauderdale, I'm sorry, it's
a take off on the 90s, Back tothe Future bit. So we take off,
and we're going back to the 90s,and it's a whole thing, and they
got graphics and everything. Andthen we come out amazing and and

(52:19):
we do H, O, T, C, O, U, N, T, R,Y, K, N, I, G, H, T, yes. And so
we come out, we do that, and wedo, we do a medley of songs and
stuff, and there's bits andeverything. I've never seen you
guys. And then they, you got tocome out. I'll get you to, maybe
get you. And then we so. Andthen we, everybody kind of hops
on stage and meet Monty isunfortunately left there by

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himself. So he stops and endsthe song we were playing fast as
you and then the lights come on,and then Monty kind of goes and
gets kind of full of himself,because it's because the crowd's
screaming and it's just him. Sohe goes out and gets the
audience going, and yeah, andall this and that, and gets them
all riled up. And then our stageMayor comes out and picks Monty
up and takes them off stage, andthat's and that's how the show.

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And then Dirksen, like the band,comes out, we'll as as us and
come out to it's really smart,and who knows, and it'll
probably be a little bitdifferent this year. So you get
to double
dip your butt off there. Man,yeah, double dip might
as well. It's, it's, it's kindof funny. Pick her up. It's
like, I'm looking for the spinaltab. That

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was the single, the first singlethat came out. It actually, it
started debuted at like 30,
yeah. It came out in 41 withrock.
Travis true was on it. Travis,he was amazing. He's absolutely
incredible. Moose shuttle, yeah,we have, there's a dance that
goes along with that. Seriously,there's a dance. Watch the
video.

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The USA begins with us. That's
a phenomenally, unbelievablygreat song, really, yeah, so
are they semi serious? Scared?
No, they scared that one scaredFallon, right? Because they were
kind of like that was it wasjust when it had me 2016 Yes,
I'm around there. Was that thatlong ago? No, no, 20. How

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racy and blue do you guys get inthese? Like, are you kind of,
like, Steel Panther level? Yeah,that's
kind of the idea. Actually, not.I think about that's where we've
seen Steel Panther a coupletimes. And our bass player,
Cassidy, is, like, he was a hugeSteel Panther fan, right? And,
and he knows some of the guys inthe band, and so we went and saw
them, actually, at, uh,
in Hollywood one night. I used
to see him, house blues atHollywood. Always at the House

(54:23):
of Blues, right? Yeah, you knowwhat that is? Now, it's like a
giant glass condo, is it
really? Yeah, that was such acool place. So a lot of bands
play there. Some bands playthere, but that was kind of,
that was, that was part of theinspiration, uh, thanks for
bringing that. Because Iactually forgot. I was like,
yeah, it was, it was still SteelPanther. Was kind of like that
we wanted to sort of be. We'renot as adventurous, or it's not

(54:44):
as quite as edgy as them. But,well, they
they get. They have the coverfire of it being an 80s
throwback Hair Metal band, yeah,you know. So we're the 90
we kind of covered that. Thelatest one we did, actually was
a few years ago with LaineyWilson, called uh. We did a song
called harassment. And the bitis harassment everything to me.

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And Doug, awesome. The song wasgreat. And yeah, again, as radio
is like funny Dirks, but wecan't play this. Oh yeah.
Well, radio makes the bestdecisions these days. Yeah,
right
now. Jim was in radio for a longtime, yeah, yeah, yeah. There
you go. Now, he's in new media.It's
one of those things that, like,the music business really has to
figure out what's next, becauseradio is, man, it's dying. Well,

(55:30):
music
is gonna be the same thing it'sgonna be we got you to you're
gonna come see our show andyou're gonna buy a hoodie. Yeah,
right. I don't know what else wecould do.
Yeah. Well, you know, what wasinteresting to me, not seeing
that. And Dirks is is a masterat those interviews and radio
people and bringing them back tothe shows, bringing them
backstage, making them feel verywelcome back there and all that.

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And so he has a lot ofexperience. But what struck me
was like some of the radio radiostuff that we did with the hot
country nights and how automatedeverything is, yeah, oh, yeah,
yeah. And I just that struck meas just like, it's all pre
recorded they're gonna do. It'sjust, there's really, it's not,
there's Live, which I, I don'tknow why. I didn't expect that

(56:15):
with technology, but I was justlike, I just didn't realize it
was that much involved in that.
Well, I mean, sometimes it gotto the point right around when I
left. I mean, it was prettypervasive that you could, we'd
be listening to a radio stationand probably hear a guy that was
in St Louis that was trying topretend he was in Nashville.
Yeah, you know, that was thevoice tracking element. And they

(56:36):
started piling hats on us guysand went out on it was basically
from 1997 when the FCC did thefederal Telecommunications Act,
which basically took the wallsdown and allowed radio to be
treated like real estate.Multiple companies can, or one
company can own multiple radiostations in a market. And that's

(56:56):
when the beginning of the endhappened. Yeah, you know,
essentially. And you know,people that were in the business
at that point were excited aboutit, because they were like, hey,
I can you're gonna give me morestations to produce or work for
great, more money. Oh, no, wedidn't say that. No, we're
giving you the responsibilitiesin the hatch you're still
making. That's not what we playmore work for the same money,

(57:18):
same amount of money. Yeah, so,and they started, they just
didn't invest in the nextgeneration of 10. Generation of
talent, which led to people likedoing podcasts and tick tock
Instagram reels. What we'reseeing today is the
entertainment mediums. Hey,radio suffering.
Hey, Jim, do me a favor, man. Igot since I got these in ears,
in and it's like, right in myinner cochlea. Um, can you just

(57:38):
bring the volume down for me,just a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
thanks, buddy. So I love allthese stories. What's the tour
look like this year? 50 shows orso later in the year, probably
something like that. Yeah. Haveyou gotten your your PDF yet of
the tour? No,
we do. We were doing at the endof this month, I think we're
going to Dominican Republic todo a private party. Nice, yeah.

(57:59):
And then we're going to the UK,the
C to C to C to C. You're gonnado the oh two, London.
We're doing oh two. Yep, you didthe oh three. And go Dublin. I
don't know if we're doing Dublinthis time. We did Dublin before,
but I don't think we're doingDublin this island, Glasgow.
Glasgow be great. I know London.And then, like, two other spots
too. Also, I love that towardstowards the end of March. I hope

(58:20):
we do that again. We did it in2015 we haven't. It's been a
while since we've done it. Yeah,in a while. So
that's fun. You like theinternational touring? Sure, I
do. I haven't done
it. We haven't. We don't do verymuch. We either do it's not very
much. Yeah, absolutely.Especially going to London. I've
been to London one time,
like, in years ago, huh? LikeIndian food. Love Indians.

(58:42):
That's a great spot for
it's a great spot for it. But weLondon's amazing. Glasgow is
amazing. It's, yeah, I mean,you're immersed in a culture
that's an in a history that ispre USA rivaled, yeah, just by a
little bit. Yeah, yeah. So I'mlooking forward to that really,
really great. Do
we mention I'm sorry I'm playingaround in the internet here that

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you're playing the Ryman comingup. We hot
country nights are opening upfor Sawyer Brown,
okay, amazing. I forgot aboutthat on the
Star Search winners. It's, uh,September, yeah, September.
February 15. February
15, the day after. Yeah, yeah,those guys are amazing too.
Yeah, we've done Joe Smith,we've done some stuff. Yeah,
it's great. Well, their wholethey are still the same, and

(59:24):
they are still Mark Miller,still killing it, yeah, and, and
they put on a great show, andwe're really looking forward to
it. And we're, yeah, we'rereally
pretty stoked. Are you gonna diewith the sticks in your hands?
You think? You know, you gottahope so. Are you gonna do this
to the end? Probably, yeah,sticks are a yoke. We're lifers,
or a yokes with sticks, right?Well, yeah, a yoke

(59:47):
that would be bad on so manylevels. Yeah. Sorry,
quite a bit. Yeah. I telleverybody, it's cool if I go out
that way, right? One too. Larry,London, we are lifers. Man,
yeah. And then, you know, likeeveryone you've got your, your
your your tracking space is thatyour, is that your crib, your
when you know where you recorddrums for clients and such. I

(01:00:10):
don't, I don't really, oh no. Ihave it here on the wiki. It
says you have an Apollo with aknee 1084 that's
gone. I have a
great little set of I had, likethree kids set up for practice,
novel, a little claret and likeAbleton and just kind of like a
John Glenn's kind of a set offour mics, yeah, and practicing

(01:00:31):
the record and whatever, likethat. But no, I started to kind
of stick my foot trying to dothat kind of a thing. But no,
so what was it that turned youoff the the amount of time that
goes into the file managementand doing everything, or dealing
with clients that are like, Canyou do it again? And this time
do 18th notes on the high I hadheard already
enough horror stories, yeah. Andit was like, man, unless I,

(01:00:55):
unless I really want to do it. Imean, I just Yeah, yeah. And
nowadays I'd much rather fly.Charlene, yes, that's your
thing, taking
any other, any other hobbies or,like, interest, like, you know,
no,
not really. I mean, wife lovegoing into town and going going
to restaurants, yeah, kind ofstuff. So
we lock on table. I'll see youthere. We're there. That's

(01:01:15):
great. Wood fired pizza. Man,yes, it is such sexy
environment. Yep, if you got afamily
environment. If you go, like, Imean, because we're older now,
we go on to four in theafternoon. Oh, really,
the movie schedule. Well, youguys right back out to Mount
Juliet. So, yeah, yeah,
I have to live in Nashville.Yeah,
I'm adjusting because I feellike I'm just outside of the

(01:01:37):
loop. Like, like, like, where'sKeo? Where's Keo tonight. You
know what? I mean, like, Keo
is out. I, you know, I'm a bitof, I'm guilty of being a bit of
a homebody. Well, is it alwaysthat way? Or probably has been,
actually, yeah, no, I don't knowthat. I've, every once a while
go out and, well, me and Carriehave been going out lately, and

(01:01:57):
we saw like, Daryl Hall, nice,Howard Jones, if you, you know,
acts like that, or something'sgoing on the square horn or
something. But yeah, as a matterof fact, we walked down printers
alley, and Barbara's is now apub. Yeah, it is a pub now it's
like a British pub, I guess. Sowe're weird. That's on the list,

(01:02:17):
yeah, to go check out. Well,that'll bring back memories.
Yeah, I know. I know. I don't,yeah. I was like, I want to go,
but I got to be really prepared,because the flood of memories
and stories and that kind ofthing, it's gonna, I think it's
gonna be for both of us. I mean,you do? You remember Karen down
there, but she's a singer. Mikecame to town to be out, to be a

(01:02:37):
singer, and used to hang outwith us down at barbers. Oh my
god,
and let's get married prettymuch now, does she? Does she
still sing a little
bit? No, no, no. It's, it's allflowers. Flowers. Yep, nice.
Well, that is so lucrative. It'sall flowers. We don't have kids,
and we, when we just hang outwith Toby and Baxter. Those are
your dogs. Yeah, one is a Baxteris a German Shepherd lab mix,

(01:03:04):
and Toby is American Eskimo mix.We did not gin. Gene test,
genome, Genome test, yeah, andToby yeah is American Eskimo and
Chow and a few other things likethat. Wow. Yeah, nice.
The only problem with the dogs,you gotta walk them all the
time. Ours, we just let out theback. Yeah?

(01:03:26):
We have, we have, it's called abackyard, yeah? And we put
what's your favorite, mostmundane chore to do at home,
favorite
mundane to a problem of theyard. Yeah, it's therapeutic.
Yeah, it is. But push, yeah,like, a zero turn. Don't even
need a zero.
I've got a zero. I've got like,eighth of an acre, yeah, zero

(01:03:48):
turn, and I have to fight mywife in order to mow, because
she loves mowing too. I waslike, it's cathartic, yeah? Now
my mowing is vacuum. I'llvacuum. It goes all the way back
to, like, I would help my momout. She'd be like, Richie,
before we go to the marchingband thing on Friday night, I
need for you to buy like, Yes,mom. But
you know, you never mowed
a lawn. Oh, when I was livingwith Curt and Tully all the time

(01:04:11):
in Donaldson and Hermitage, Iwas the official mower because,
you know, we rented these bandhouses, right? And you know,
they would never do it, man, Ihad to do it. You know. What do
you do now? Can you imagine it?Well, I tell you, Oh no. Now,
Caesar Estrada, does it?
Oh, yeah, it makes it a lotbetter, because I have a beer
holder, yeah, nice beer holder.Buds, ear buds, listening.

(01:04:36):
It's therapeutic. It is itreally is.
No, I might my guy. Hello,Caesar Estrada. He's a nice guy.
Actually, he's a singer. He hecuts my lawn. And I said, Hey,
his daughter wanted to take drumlessons, right? And so I said,
Well, why don't we barter it up?You know, I'll teach her
teacher, teach her how to do allthe money beats and get a good
sound on the drums. And, youknow, we'll trade it for the

(01:04:58):
lawn care. I. She he's paying$30 an hour for a drum lesson.
I'm like, where, who is teachinga drum lesson for $30 that's
what I paid back in the day.That was $30 for a half hour.
And
I said, Well, hey, man, staystay on the course
$30 an hour.

(01:05:19):
It's crazy. It is crazy. I know.I hope she learns. Back in
the early 90s, when I took drumlessons from Gary fiander at
East Coast music mall, yeah,yeah, he was $30 for a half
dollar minute,
yeah. See, things are not goingup in somebody's under charging.
Somebody started trying. That'sall right. Hopefully she loves
it and she becomes a wonderfuldrummer. What did you study in

(01:05:40):
college? Man, did you get amusic degree? Yeah,
percussion performance, ntsu. I
went to Texas Tech, and then Iwent to UNT North Texas day,
yeah, so me and Jim, Jim Rileywere there around the same time.
Yeah, okay, who else was I therewith? Keith Garlock. Oh, my god,
yeah, that guy. And got someother really amazing. Everybody

(01:06:02):
went on to do great, greatstuff, man, you know, yeah,
uh, Stephen falls to StateUniversity. They have an
amazing, quite amazing, uh,commercial music program now,
yes, like top 30, but back then,forget it. No, it was, it was,
yeah, it was jazz, classical,yeah, that's it. And then you
figure out how to play the backbeats on your own head. Yes, it

(01:06:22):
was, it was all, who was theteacher there at that time? The
head guy? Dr, Lawrence captain,was our, well, we had a couple
guys, Barry Larkin, and then,and then, Dr captain, who is, I
believe, is at University ofDenver. I think, yeah, I know
he's in Denver. I think it'sUniversity of Denver. Have you
kept in touch with these guys?And they occasionally through
Facebook, everyone small, butnot, not because I gotta be
proud. They're like the

(01:06:42):
guy. Yeah, guy did it. Yeah,yeah. Now, you ever envision
yourself going back and doing alittle Q and A speech? Yeah?
There
was some talk about going backto Stephen F and doing some so
we were going to get some guysthat you know kind of are in the
business. Me, Devin Williams,songwriter, so we were kind of

(01:07:03):
all running buddies togetherback then, but getting me and
him and all that to do kind ofthat kind of a thing, kind of a
Q, a or you should do it. Thatwould be, it would be so lucky.
That'd be fun to have you fun.Now,
what do you do to stay so, um,height, weight, proportionate,
tall and lean.
Attic. You have a thing like Ido,

(01:07:23):
I go to the gym. I depends. Iwas doing yoga for especially
during the pandemic, me, mywife, were doing yoga just like
through peloton, yeah, on TV.But we actually used to go, we
would go to the, go do yoga at alocal yoga place. So I got into
yoga for a few years. I did
hot yoga for a while, the last30 minutes was tough. It's
tough, yeah, it's the 60 isgood. 90 is rough.

(01:07:45):
6060, is a max. I could,couldn't do beyond that, but I
loved it is very good for us,for me, for limp, being limber
and staying staying loose, yeah?But either that or just just the
gym, yeah, Planet Fitness isright down the street, so
you just do a circuit. Do youdo? You're like, you know,
today's back and buys tomorrow'slegs, just, just full body,
chest and try. Rose

(01:08:05):
again. Would you bench? Yeah,yeah.
Ducks Bentley, over here, comeon. Yeah,
I get into fights all the time.I'm kidding. No,
you know, you sound like you'reyou've definitely got a ham
factor, you know? Oh, yeah. Isthat something else that you've
kind of explored with, you know,using your voice, because you
kind of have it, you'reaffecting your voice

(01:08:26):
occasionally. I'm picking up onthat a
little bit with the hot countrynights. Yeah, if you'll kind of
go through our back catalog ofstuff, we have some of the bits
and all that have included thatkind of kind of thing, character
voices, yeah, I hear it a littlebit, yep, just being, just being
stupid, I guess, fun. Yeah,well,
you've always kind of taken careof yourself. Because I remember

(01:08:47):
going back to that Amber Dodsontour opening up for George
Street. We would do our foursongs. And you know, if bunch of
dudes in our second hand leatherjackets, we wanted to get into
trouble, you know, we wanted tojust at least get out into the
nightlife and have a cocktailand, yeah, you know, night at
the Roxbury and you guys wouldbe in your damn jammies eating
cereal. Well,

(01:09:07):
that was me and Robbie herringtotally. I was like, You were
kind of like, Robbie and Steveare eating cereal. You know
what's funny is Mike Kennedywould, when we're out with
George Strait on that tour, too,he would, I'd be like, going to
bed. Yeah, no. And he like,nope. He come on the bus and
drag me. Like, get your clotheson. We're going out. Nice.
Always do that. Nice. He wassuch a sweetheart. Mike

(01:09:30):
Kennedy, for those that don'tknow he was, he had played live
with George Street for at least20 years, at least, yeah. Now I
don't know exactly whathappened, but I believe he was
merging into traffic, and therewas a gigantic semi, and it was
just he didn't see it or
something. I don't know. That'sa tragic, yeah, that's tragic,

(01:09:50):
yeah,
yeah. God rests up on I 40. Idon't know how long ago was
that? A good 10 years, at leastsix to 10 years. Yeah, something
like that. Yeah. Oh. Man mayhave rough Yeah, yeah, as a
Yeah, as a big loss for thedrumming community, yeah,
because he helps so many peopletoo. He did. He would be like,
hey, Gabe, get up here and play.He will, yeah, you know, Hall of

(01:10:11):
Fame. He used to play. Now theHall of Fame,
yeah? What was the 16th?Remember the 16th avenue that?
Yeah, now it was a shoe store,and now it's a bar or parking or
something.
It's a tower. Now it's gone. Ohyeah, that whole right by the
the naked people circle, yeah,right to the naked tambourine
people, yeah, it's that. Thatbuilding there used to be that.

(01:10:33):
That's right, so many differentoh my god, all right. Oh my god.
Do you like the
Nashville hot chicken? It's oneverybody's menu all over the
world.
I don't really, I haven't, Idon't say I don't like it, yeah,
it's too hot for me. Because Igot a sense of the stomach, I
can't imagine having the hot,hot, hot chicken. It's like the
chicken. It's purple, yeah, it'sso seasoned. Yeah, I can't do

(01:10:58):
that. We used to do princes.Remember princess? Oh yeah, the
real inspiration late at night,yeah? And
we do that, like waffle housebecame late night run, yeah,
Princess used to be, I forgetwhich one it was. There was
only, like those over on theeast side, right, yeah, yeah.
But that was, yeah, late night,three in the morning after post
barbers kind of Yeah, kind of avibe, yeah,

(01:11:20):
so Jim, yeah. Should we do theFauci? What do you think? Go
ahead, hey, we're gonna go rightinto it. Sometimes. You used to
call it the Fast Five, but it'snever fast. Favorite color,
green. So fast. Green, greensparkle. Do you ever, ever have
a green, green sparkle drum set?
I may have like I had no, yeah,no, I was with another company.

(01:11:43):
I might have had, like, bits andpieces that weren't you with
Ludwig for I was with Ludwig fora while, yeah. And I remember I
had a kit that had multidifferent colors. And green
might have been, I might havehad a green
sparkle, yeah, they have thatkit that that it shows all the
colors, yeah. You know, it'slike, it was like, Yeah.
Speaking of Ludwig, behindSteve, what do we have? Oh,
there's a

(01:12:05):
from LP that is a Alex Van Halencommemorative cow bell that I
begged for from our friends atLatin percussion, and I'm taking
it out on the road. Yeah,
and this is, we're giving itaway to a lucky listener. Is
that what you
said, No, I'm just justshowcasing it. I'm gonna, I'm
gonna take it. I'm gonna take iton tour this year, because I

(01:12:26):
play it on maybe like four barsin hick town. And it's not, it's
unmiked, but you will hear it.It's allowed. They will
probably, I won't even get LP toput a hot country nights logo on
this. You really should get acommemorative hot country nights
cow, if they're out there LP. LPneeds one. If you're a DW guy,

(01:12:47):
you're you're grandfathered inpractically as an LP guy. He's
got to call our friend JerryZacharias and Garris will
garrison. I need to know some ofthose. I don't know anything.
That's right. That's right. Iwas all playing. I had my my
trip book to go out and do myyearly visit, and then all the
fires happened in Los Angeles,and I was like, Yeah, let's,

(01:13:07):
let's postpone. I'm gonna
interrupt the favorite five.Yes, Ma'am, did you guys read
the Alex Van Halen book?
Brothers, brothers,
I've heard of it. It's reallygood. Yeah, I highly recommend I
will,
yeah, I don't want to pay forAudible, so I'm gonna have to
just read it.
But you know, the thing is,you're hearing Alex read it, and

(01:13:30):
he has these little momentswhere HE CHUCKLES to himself,
which is so endearing nice. Youknow, he's remembering these
stories as he's written them.But you know, you could tell
he's also he has that intrinsicrecall. That, you know, you hear
these little emotional outburststhat he has, which I think is
kind of cool. That's
very nice, because usuallyproducers of audiobooks will

(01:13:51):
just produce that stuff rightout of you. Yeah, you know what
I mean. It's nice that they kindof just let it be warts and all,
yep, yep. That's interesting,because, like, I was thinking a
hard copy book,
right? But I have it on theshelf behind you. Yeah, it'd be
better to do the audible one,though. Yeah, I like to, I like
listening to books myself, so
I don't think I've ever donethat really.

(01:14:14):
You know, experiment with it.See if you like it. Are you
podcast guy by chance?Sometimes,
yeah, you sound like you need apodcast. Like you would, you
would be a good host of apodcast. I'd
love to Actually, me and Danhokulter have talked about
having something like this. Wejust start talking. That'd be so
easy. It's, it's Yeah, yeah. Andmarginally funny, we can record
it on

(01:14:34):
the road and then batch them andthen just trickle them out once
a week.
Well, that would take, thatwould require us, first of all,
get out of our bunks.
Stay in the bunks.
Yeah? Well, yeah, we don't evenput
a camera onto both of you. Like,Hey, how's your bunk? Yeah, it's
down here. My bunks up here.That's

(01:14:56):
funny. Now you got a favorite,uh, food or dish? Mm. Hmm,
man, my wife made a pasta dishthe other night that was
absolutely incredible, like acream based thing, like, no
rose,
uh, red, red, red sauce,chicken, stuff like that.
Nice, yeah, um, I don't not A,not a specific one that I

(01:15:17):
absolutely but in Texas, theydid. I mean, unless we're at
Lachlan table, yeah, the chime,cherry steak, no, the, oh my
gosh, I can't believe I'mforgetting it. The chicken liver
pate. Chicken liver
Wow. No, that's why we go
there. It comes in little masonjar, yeah, chicken liver pate,

(01:15:40):
and then the top of it is bacongrease. Look at that much on top
of that, whoa. And then theygive you a plate, and it has
biscuits, not biscuits, chips,not chips, bread,
those kinds of things like toastand stuff like that,
yeah. And then on top of thebacon grease, it's about that
lotion layer of a little bit ofa peach marmalade. It is unholy

(01:16:04):
cow.
It is un delicacy level. Here'sthe
delicacy. That's our that's ourgo to and
my effort of trying to find goodmemories about my mom, she used
to make a liver pate. Thatreminds me of what you're
talking about. I did. Wow. Jim,interesting. Did you? Did you
partake? Oh,
yeah, when I was a kid, are youa liver guy?
You know my mom was, and shewould give us liver for dinner

(01:16:27):
sometimes because she liked itand tell us it was veal.
So, well, there's a wholemovement right now. We're, we're
all being highly encouraged toeat organ meats, and if you are,
can't stomach it, take it inpill form, because these are
it's kind of got out of style,and there are so many nutrients

(01:16:50):
in organ meats that we need.
Fiber. Fiber, yeah. Fiber, yeahnowadays. Fiber, a
lot of people eat the placenta,whoa, after a birth of a baby.
Oh my god, but who? But peopleeat it. I never hear, I mean,
that's, yeah, a lot ofnutrients, tons
of tons of nutrients in thoseholy cow, geez, buddy, you look

(01:17:12):
like a freaking character out ofa zombie thriller. But when
you're done, I
don't know if I would do that.We definitely have to, you know,
pop it in some olive oil, yeah,crispy on top of risotto. Yeah,
fry it up. Oh, my God, they solock the table is kind of
adventurous, like that, where,you know, you can get the bone

(01:17:33):
marrow, yeah, and that's verygood. I've done that.
What about your favorite drink
right now? It's probably aMoscow Mule. Oh, we got that
yesterday too. Yeah? Who's ourguest yesterday? Travis McNabb,
yeah. Travis McNabb, yeah.Travis likes his Moscow Mules.
Man, I'm with him, especially ifit's you gotta, you gotta have

(01:17:54):
the real copper thing for theexperience. You gotta have that.
Yeah, in the freezer. Yep, Fauciin the freezer, Tito's. Yeah,
Tito's. This guy. Tito is sopopular now, this is
interesting. And it could be ofall time, or it could be, at the
moment, what would your favoritesong
be? It's tough, favorite song.But, but what is there a

(01:18:17):
problem? What was I thinking?
Because it started the wholething, the whole thing, no one
has said their own song, theirown song. There's, yeah, well,
it's Dirks and Dirk or tan.
But, I mean, you know, fromthat, yeah, I mean, that's,
that's, that's really hard. Myfavorite song of all time, well,

(01:18:37):
my favorite, hang on, let's,let's think you know
you're driving down the PCH, yougot the top down. Oh, that kind
of, that kind of, just maybe,well, it takes you to a place
you you like cranking it up. Youlike the production, you like
the lyrics, you like the sound.Actually
be the opposite that probablyWillie Nelson more like,
ain't it funny how life, howtime slips away? Wow,

(01:18:59):
yeah. Or one of those hackertunes, like misery and Jen, oh,
yeah, oh, that's that would besomething that we could do
September, yeah, something likethat. I had the box set when I
moved to town. I got, yeah, Igot merle's box set at Tower
Records, and I and I dove in.Man, we had
his bass player, Joe Reed,
Joe. Joe played with the firefor like, six years, yeah. So my

(01:19:22):
story about Joe is that we wentin 1997 we went to, like, I
don't know, six or sevencountries together, playing for
the US military, yeah. So, like,we were in like, Bahrain, we
were in South Korea. We were inJapan. We were in Macedonia,

(01:19:44):
Iceland, yeah, yeah. We
actually had a breakfast about amonth ago. I need some like, I
need to see him. He literallyheard about his, his, you know,
he's adopted. He was adopted, sohe wanted to do and find out who
his father was. Yeah. Found outhis dad is one of the Marlboro
men. Oh, really, what from backin the day the Marlboro Man,

(01:20:06):
like on the cover and all thatwas the big his dad, his father
was the last one, yeah, thatactually ended up quitting
smoking, because he ended upgetting lung cancer and became a
big Roman anti, uh, cigarettesand all that kind of thing. But
his story, yeah, I he shouldhave Joe on here, just to tell
that story. Really need to catchup with your drums. Is the only

(01:20:27):
thing he's doing great. Yeah?No, I know we have bass players
on here. Plays Leroy Parnelland, um, he was doing some stuff
with Kevin mo also Joe.
He looks really healthy. Itlooks like he's doing great.
Working out. He works out. He's
a big gym rat too, yeah? Butlike, I'm, no, I'm not. He's, he
is, yeah,
that's, you know, it's the thewhole thing is, like, even if

(01:20:47):
you go just for 20 minutes, butyou do it every day, yeah, with
it and all that, be consistent,totally. What about a movie? You
got a movie that it comes on,you're like, sorry, Honey, I'm
committed. I'm gonna watch thisall the way through, Princess
Bride. Wow, that's a fun one
that could be my favorite. Onemight have been, I don't think
you know what that means, yeah,

(01:21:10):
you kept my name is Antonio. Iforget his name.
My name is Montoya. You killedmy father. My father die.
There's
the cat. Yeah,
yeah. There's so many of them,like, conceivable,
my daily, you know, my, that'skind of darling. But I just, I
think it's a piece of, I thinkit's a piece of art.
It is first one. And then forme, probably my favorite movie

(01:21:31):
is gonna have to be rocky,though, the original rock
Done, done that
just, you know, he directed. Itwas
the first, uh, a statue for ittoo. I think he won an Oscar.
He did. Did he win the Oscar forRocky? I
think so. Because yeah, good foryou. Sly. Remember that? Yeah,
and he
held his guns because all sortsof studio people were like, We

(01:21:54):
want to buy the script. Someoneelse can play. Yes, no, I'm
playing. Yeah.
So the backstory behind it'sgood? Yep, you know
you understood the character.Yeah, yes.
Totally agree. The assignment,okay, Jim, ask your thing, your
question.
So if you had to, at any giventime, someone threatens you with
your life that you have to playin a band, a tribute band of

(01:22:18):
some sort, for the rest of yourlife, that's all you can do
playing the songs over and overagain. What's the band? Kiwi
Lewis,
really? I was just thinking whenyou were saying that, that's
such a cool gig, I would noteven need a rehearsal.
There's a lot of flavor in thatmusic. It's amazing. It's

(01:22:41):
so amazing. And you rememberthey had one of the fun is
totally off the they had arecord that came out back in the
90s too, called Plan B. Youremember that one? Yeah. Do you
guys do anything off of that? I
don't want me such a goodrecord. I gotta look. I mean, in
the actual tribute band, it's alot of the hits, yeah? For sure,

(01:23:01):
you're gonna
have to do the hits. Plan B waskind of their, all their off.
They was, I was such a fan ofthat, yeah? But,
I mean, it's not an easy band,
no, yeah,
horns too and all that. Right?They
have a little bit of tracks, butoccasionally, I think they play
in Nashville, though. Theyplayed at the Franklin theater
and they hired a horn section,yeah? Nice. So, yeah, I've never

(01:23:22):
played with them yet, but that's
gonna be amazing. Yeah, that'sgonna be amazing. Yeah, I would,
I won't think I would ever, Imean, if I had the chance to do
something like that, and thesituation were right, I was, I
don't think I would ever gettired of doing that. Right?
I have so many different thingsI've always wanted to do, like,
uh, the theme bands. You know,you could do heavy, uh, hard

(01:23:44):
rock type of approach, but, butlike the Bon Jovi stuff journey,
but do it really well, yeah?Because, I mean, I just that's,
that's my center. That's what Iwould shut
it on, note for note, yep, forthe most part. For the most
part, yeah,
bass drum. Bass drum patternsare messy, but yeah, other stuff
pretty much dialed in. Yeah. So
yeah, that's cool. Those are butbands are really, really fun.

(01:24:06):
That's fun too. That I've seentoo, is that with with helping,
occasionally, I'll help CarrieAnne tear down at the end of the
night, and sometimes the bandsare still playing, and the
wedding bands around, because Idid a little bit of that back in
the day. Me too. With Joe
Turner. We love the harmonica onour show. Yeah, used to

(01:24:28):
play and do wedding band stuffwith him and and he was great.
And a lot of the wedding bandsnowadays are doing newer, like
current music and stuff, andthey're tight, yeah, dialed. I
mean, you're just like, my god,dialed, really, dialed in good.
That's kind of here, really.Well, I didn't know the quality
of wedding bands was that good.The ones, yeah, the ones that

(01:24:51):
we've Yeah, that are out, yeah.That's
kind of expected. Now, gettingback to what you mentioned
earlier, when I asked you, Isaid, you know, the people that
when you came to town Weren'tyou? All, but not, you know,
they're the people now arebetter. You seem to play better.
Yeah, do you think that'sbecause of social media, though?
I mean, because they're seeingmore of an attraction to pursue
a musical career in Nashvilleversus New York or LA? I would

(01:25:14):
say, I think
just, just in general, obviouslythe Internet has, you know,
opened up that world to accessto a lot more people than it
used to, right? Yeah, and socertainly social media. Is
there anybody on the internetthat you're following that you
you're kind of digging a lot of,a lot of like, you know,
trickster drummers,
a lot of that. But I'mentertained, right? There's some

(01:25:38):
guys that are doing some crazy,man, there's this kid, there's a
band, and I cannot remember hisname or anything, but there's a
kid. He's probably maybe 11years old or 10 years old. He's
as good as I've heard a drama,and I'm not like not not just
flashy fills. He's got that, buthis pocket is absolutely spot
on. And now they put a band witha bunch of kids, like, on, on,

(01:26:01):
my wife sent it to me the otherday. It was like, and they're,
they're all about the same age,and they all play phenomenally.
Wow. You see that every once inevery few months, some kid
that's five years old is playingamazing. And this kid I, I'll
have to look it up, but he isabsolutely the best I've seen at
that small age. Yes, theevolution

(01:26:21):
of playing is interesting to seesince the internet, because you
didn't have that, that access toall that information when we
came up, you know, we had toslow the tape down, you know, I
didn't, I didn't know what Neilwas doing on subdivisions until
I saw the video, you know, thewhen he did the the open
pattern, hi hat ride thing,yeah. It's like, you, what the

(01:26:44):
hell are you listening to it?You're going, what the hell is
he doing? Yeah. And then I sawhim actually do it in the music
video when he got there. It wasa Chronicles double VHS tape,
yeah. Thing with that was, Iguess, the companion offering
from the album, the best of thatthey did. And to watch that
video, was like, oh, okay, I seeit. Now. I got really

(01:27:05):
good at just dropping the needlein the record, really at that
time, because I was just aboutthe only way. And then I got me
my parents bought me forChristmas the techniques tape
deck. I remember that, yeah, soI'd stay up late at night. I was
supposed to go to bed, but Iheadphones on and all that have
record pause and listen to theradio, and just ready to ready.
So I had my own little mixtapeswith very few, if any, intros,

(01:27:29):
right? Because you always havethe intro cut off, and that's
what I would practice
the DJ talking it up to hit thepost. Yeah, right,
and you like Phil Collins,right? Alex, guys were girls
twice
loved, yeah, Van Halen. What was
the first drummer? The first guythat was like, That is awesome.

(01:27:52):
It would probably, I mean,drumming wise, impacting that
way. It would probably be rush.It would probably be Neil. Neil,
just from that standpoint, but Iwas just a radio kid. Yeah, I
listened to whatever was on theradio. I wasn't real big album,
album, rock album guy, yeah, youknow, I had a few things. First
one ever I had first one wasnews of the World. Queen, News
of the World. So whoever wasplaying on that, obviously, was

(01:28:16):
huge. Yeah, I remember RogerTaylor. Remember tush, uh, fleet
with Mac. Oh yeah. Tusk, I'msorry. You know, you know that
the rumors just turned 49 did itreally? Did it really? Everybody
has a rumors record. Yeah,everybody, believe me. You've
heard it.
Fleetwood Mac, burn. I gotburned out on Fleetwood Mac
because of the home of rock androll. I 95 Yeah, right. Worked.

(01:28:38):
They play a lot of it, yeah,yeah. Constant. Fleetwood Mac,
yeah, I just don't get thisband,
don't, you know, don't push itaway. It's, it's, you know,
because, you know, Mick is sucha interesting, quirky drummer.
Why is it crash fill in a weirdplace, it's gonna boom. Scott,

(01:28:58):
great. Jim, that's a good one.If you could sing it, you can
play it. That's what I tell thekids. This was such a pleasure
to have you.
One quick question, yeah, asidefrom us, who is a real fun hang
in town, drummer wise for you,gosh,
there's a lot of guys
who's a fun in him in town. Dudea little

(01:29:18):
like clicky little bit, I
don't I'm not getting out kindof a homebody. I do coffees with
some guys every so often, right?I'm really proud of Jake
summers, yes, you know, becausehe's when, when Luke was, was
just kind of Luke Holmes wasjust start getting going, and we
go, and he'd ask questions andstuff like that. And he's
killing it out there. He just
asked, he asked all the rightthings, yeah, and then made

(01:29:42):
those things happen. He kind ofused, uh, you know, us, as a
blueprint. I guess you know whatI mean,
yeah. And DOM was his teacher,his mentor, and all that. And I
tell you what, Dom was reallycool, because he did a, did a
congress clinic, yeah, inHouston, at the drum keyboard,
guitar shop. And I was like.Teaching and working there part
time, and he did a clinic, andhe's like, you know, follow your

(01:30:04):
heart. And, you know, he reallywas very, very inspiring, and a
big reason to why I went, youknow what? I'm gonna go for it.
I'm gonna go ahead and move toNashville, yeah? Give us a shot.
Totally. Very cool. Yeah. Man,yeah. Tom Fauci, man, God rest
his soul. Uh, anyways, very niceto do this in a in a public
setting, because the last coffeethat we shared had to be six

(01:30:27):
years ago, which at least I
need to get out.
You know what I mean? I need toget I do too. We'll do it
together, man, we'll get our ownclick happening. You know what I
mean? We'll give Kevin Murphyand Kia are run for their money.
Actually mentioned the key, orKevin, I'm sorry, Kevin Murphy
is also, well, Harris. He'sfantastic. He's a monster. He's

(01:30:50):
a monster. He's a beast. Greatplayer. And he is a he is fun.
We had a lot of fun out on theroad and all that. And actually,
he subbed for me in a bad time.My mother suddenly passed away.
It was in 2014 and he, we wereout on the road, and he sub.
There's like, no problem. I gotthis. I got you covered. Nice.
Yeah, nice. So I and I've touredwith him different acts. Now,

(01:31:13):
that's what the year, that'swhat you want. And I don't get
to see enough of him, really.Yeah, he's a good, he's a good.
Well, just open up Facebook andyou will see him.
Yeah, he's really good at doingthe thing, the social media
thing, I'm not. I mean, if youopen up my Instagram, you're
gonna see me, me and flying,yeah,
yeah. Well, that's cool. That'syour, that's your, you know,

(01:31:35):
like outside drums, passion.
I'd be remiss also and say, youknow Jules also Jules drums.
Jules her last name I cannotpronounce. I don't know that
I've ever known it, massia, Mace, oh, my God, I don't know
her last Jules drums is herhandle. Oh, yeah, Instagram,
yeah. Phenomenal. Drummer, ACnational. Drummer, just moved to

(01:31:58):
Nashville. She's from NewJersey. Yeah, and she's killer.
She's absolutely killer. Ihaven't another one. Everybody
look at Jules drums. Julesdrums. And, yeah, another one.
Tucker Wilson, Jesus. Tucker'sGreat. Jesus, he's good. He's
killer. He played on, on who'she playing with?
He's a shark guy. God,

(01:32:20):
it's the dementia. So no, but wejust didn't take our privacy.
Didn't well, that guy, he'sJustin Moore. Justin Moore. He's
played their whole band, playedon the on the latest record.
He's killed. That's
me calling Justin short. That'sfunny. I'm just a couple, maybe
a couple inches taller than him.I kick sand on him on the beach.

(01:32:42):
Yeah. So fun, Steve, thank youso let's get together. We'll see
you guys. Well, thank you forsome bone marrow at Lachlan
table. I love it. Let's do it.We appreciate you, man,
congratulations on everything,and thank you for helping me. 28
years ago, glad to do it. Iappreciate it. Glad I did. Jim.
Did you have good time. Oh yeah,man, as always. Thank you for
your time and talent as always.And I will ask the listeners,

(01:33:04):
hey, if you bought my book,making it in country music and
insiders, look at the industryand you love it, give me a five
star rating on Amazon, and thenmaybe I'll reach out to the
folks at Audible, and I willread the book so you can consume
it on your commute or at the gymall that stuff. Also be sure to
subscribe, share, rate andmerch. You yes and merch, yes,
Jim, but wait by this time thiscomes out, we may have merch. We

(01:33:28):
may have we're gonna have tshirts, hoodies, hats. We're
gonna have mug, coffee mugs.We're gonna have all the stuff
that's right. All right, thanks.Thank you everyone. We'll see
you next time. Thanks guys.
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