Laying it Down for Lainey Wilson - Matt Nolan's Journey from Van Tours to the Big Stage - The Rich Redmond Show

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Yeah, I wish we just had hung a little bit more out

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there. Yeah, well, it's funny.You bring that up. Somebody on
your crew, like, well, into thetour, commented like, Oh, I
didn't realize you guys weredriving yourself, like we were
still in a van. Oh, my, that'swhy I thought we didn't care to
hang out because, like, weweren't into it or something.
No, we just to keep up with yourtour busses. We had to leave as

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soon as we got off stage. 2021
you guys were in a van, and nowthere's seven CMAs, six ACM an
Entertainer of the Year, aGrammy you played on the new
record. You probably have anawesome drum tech. People are
throwing gear at you. They'relike, here's a jacket. Kid.
Throw this jacket on, wear it onstage.

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This is the rich Redmond show.
I was thinking, what should wekind of pivot and talk about
today? And then I noticed thatyou were wearing yet another car
hard shirt, but it's in adifferent color, olive green,
which is very you like it,right? Flattering, yeah,
it's good. I just go to theTractor Supply and pick them out

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some
I just wonder, if you both bulk,bulk purchase, where you have
one for every day of the week.The
thing is, it looks good. It'sdurable. Okay, check them out.
Tractor supply.com,
go to your local tractorsupplying for
for sponsors, right as well.We're sponsorless right now. I
hear Tractor Supply
has money for that kind ofthing. We could use some of that

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money. And Tractor Supply, we'dlove some of your money.
I was listening to some oldepisodes where we had, you know,
Angie and Kelly McCarthy rockwere sponsoring things and and,
you know, you produce the ads,and there's some pro level
stuff.
It's like when in Wayne's World,when everything was sponsored?
Yeah, yeah. It's like, you know,I just cracked open another

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bottle of pure life water. Well,you stop, for some reason, I
have two open bottles next tome, and I opened up another one.
So pure life, for when you wantpurity in life, I
like how you're breaking thefourth wall and looking right
into the camera.
And so this is a new thing thatwe're trying to start.
Obviously, we have begun theepisode of the rich Redmond

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show. It's usually veryexciting. We talk about things
like music, motivation andsuccess. Those are the three
things that come up withoutfail. But today we, you know, we
have had the grant cardones on.We have had the Victoria Jackson
Bradley. We've had Bradley onwhich I read his book. It's good
the hard way, the hard way,lessons he's learned in life the
hard way. So you don't have toThat's right. And so I've been

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enjoying that with my morningcoffee. And we've had on guys
like Huey Lewis, great stuff.But we people want to know about
drummers, because, you know,this is the songwriting capital
of the world, Nashville,Tennessee. Someone's writing a
hit song right now, but withoutthat drummer to bake the cake,
to build the foundation, this isjust poetry swimming around the

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ether, swimming around theuterus. We make things happen.
So let's get into it. I'm reallyexcited for this young man today
and hailing from Laurel,Maryland, apparently it's 20
minutes from DC, big city boycelebrating 10 years in
Nashville. I met him reallyearly on. We were on tour
together in 2021 he is thetouring and recording drummer

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for the award winning countryrecording artist Lainey Wilson.
Look at this. Seven CMAs, sixACMs. She's a Grammy winner,
Entertainer of the Year, andthis was all in under five
years. Our friend Matt Nolan,What's
up, buddy? Hey man, thank youguys for having me.
Yeah, thanks for coming. Youwere you're so punctual.
Oh, I appreciate that. Yeah, Ilive just a bit away from here.

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You're in the Herm Exactly.That's what me Kurt and Tilly
used to call it, because we haverented and shared many a band
house in Hermitage andDonaldson, yeah. And we were, it
was great, because in those dayswe were flying so much, and
you're right by the airport.
It's fantastic on fly dates.Just there. It's a very quick
Uber ride, yeah, but yeah, it'spart of town. It seems like more

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and more cats are ending up in.But are
you in a band house, or are youall growns up now by yourself?
No, my
fiance, Fallon, and I have ahouse, all right, been there for
about four years, so it's greatthe transition away from band
house, living. Fiance,
congratulations, man, thank you.What do you guys? Is it like a

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loose date or
no, we're set when we're we'reinside a month now it's March 29
so
March 20 I didn't get aninvitation, but no, rich Neither
did I. No, it's a thing, man.You know, it's like, I get it
because, you know, just call meRoss. I'm the divorce guy. I
believe in love. I keep gettingmarried. But you've got to feed

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these people. You've got to, youknow, and God forbid, the cash
bar. I get the cash bar, though,because this is, like, you know,
bunch of musicians, hey, drunks,you have to
rock the cash bar. Her
rock to Casper. Give me somegood apps. All right, nice. So
are you keeping it intimate?Yes,

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you know, trying to keep itsmall, it ended up working out
to where we actually got aSaturday, nice. And
did you clear it with with MissWilson? So it was like, Hey,
we're not gonna add something.And have
to, yeah, here's the thing, thebest of her ability, right?
You've been married while youwere with Jason. Yep, you went
through a wedding. You're aboutto go through one. Do you invite

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your boss? Is that? Yeah?Absolutely.
Invite your boss. Yeah, yeah,no.
It's like, you know, when Imoved to Vegas in Oh, one I was
there three months before mywife and I got married, and my
boss was like, I'm not invited.I'm like, Dude, I just moved
here three months ago. I justmet you. And he's like, I'd

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still like to be invited. I'mlike, I'm sorry. I'll think
about that next time. I'm 25 Idon't know any better. Plus,
it's 2000 miles away. Awkward.Sure you're invited. If you can
make it, we'll have you. Hey,
you know what I gotta tell you,Jim, I'll tell you. I tell you
to invite Jason. I'll tell youoff camera. Okay, I'll tell you
off camera. But there is awedding happening very soon with

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one of my students. And I havementored this kid for like, 15
years. I did not get invitation,
like things that make you go,Hmm, what did I do?
Yeah, but did you invite Jasonto your wedding? When you the
last married,
oh, with um, Cindy. Cindy triedto think what our marriage was

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like. I remember the the
I mean, he hosted yourengagement party at his house, I
would think that you probablyinvited him.
Dude, I'm blanking, man, really,yeah, I really am. Wow,
all I've got is your yourstudent might have assumed
you're just busy. Yeah, becauseyou're so busy, let's go with
that.

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That makes everyone feel better.
Oh, my God, you know what? Youknow, I just, I think you're a
delightful guy. I have a littleguilt, because when you were out
on the road with us in 2021 Ithink that I was still carrying
around this weird I had a roughtime in COVID, like, mentally,
okay, and emotionally, as we alldo, it was rough for me. And

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some people were just like,Dude, it's fine, man. I wrote my
best songs during that period. Iwas great. It's like, Man, I
went through most of it in LosAngeles, and it was like a
zombie apocalypse. It was sointense and so strict, and it
just got in my mind. And so whenwe were getting back on the road
in 21 we were still scrubbing upand testing up. And, yeah, I

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wish we just had hung a littlebit more out there. Yeah,
well, it's funny. You bring thatup. Somebody on your crew, like,
well, into the tour, commentedlike, Oh, I didn't realize you
guys were driving yourself, likewe were still in a van. Oh, my,
that's what I thought. We didn'tcare to hang out because, like,
we weren't into it or something.No, we just to keep up with your

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tour busses, we had to leave assoon as we got off.
2021 you guys were in a van, andnow there's seven CMAs, six
ACMs, an Entertainer of theYear, a Grammy you played on the
new record. You probably have anawesome drum tech. People are
throwing gear at you. They'relike, here's a jacket. Kid,
throw this jacket on. Wear it onstage.

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Jacket. Yes, drums now, but notyet. You know, well, you're a
sonar guy. Hey, I'm with sonar,and happy to be they've been
great. They've been veryhelpful, nice, but, yeah, but
we talked about that yesterdayon another episode, that sonar
is really going on the offense?Yeah, they're getting
aggressive. They're gettingoffensive.
So I've noticed, I'm not privyto any insider information, but

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I've noticed some additions.
You know, KHS is, it's May it'smaypex. KHS sonar, right? So, is
it one of your go to guys,Henry, go is Henry?
Is my, my sonar ArtistRelations, okay, so I
know Henry, so it's the best I'mgonna text Henry right after
this thing. Let's because Henryand I were like, drinking
buddies at the red door forlike, a decade, okay, when he

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was working at innovativepercussion.
Well, in a past life, you playedsonar, right? I did for for a
decade,
right? Yeah. And I loved all thedrums I had the I had the S
class I had the the lights, andI had the SQ twos rescue one was
SQ one, sq two, sq two. And Ithe only kit that I kept. I kept

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the S Class kit, 22, inch kick,1216, and I recorded that, are
you going to kiss me or not?2011 Thompson square song on,
and it was so it's kind of likea little piece of country music
history.
What's their high line? Like,flagship Sq,
right? Is it SQ too? Yeah.

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Well, this particular year, it'sthis Anniversary series. But,
yeah, ordinarily the SQ two
because, you know, Mercedes hasan S class. And it's the
flagship of the brand, yes. Sothere's
another interesting
connection to Mercedes there.They made these drums in the 70s
and 80s called the phonic,sorry, the pharaoh manganese

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snares, yes. And apparently theyreally had the same metal that
Mercedes made the hood, oradmits out of really? Yeah, they
source the metal in the exactsame place. I wonder if they
have a kinship. Well, other thanboth being German
by chance, looking for a, youknow, one off guy to endorse for

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a Huey Lewis and a news tributeact
that sounds like exactly what
they're that's what they'relooking
for. Jim is in a Huey losetribute band, and they are
playing may 28 at City winery.That's the city winery, and me
and about 10 other drummers aregonna have a giant like last
supper type table, that's right,and we're gonna drink wine and
eat pizzas and watch you sitthere judge me and laugh. No

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judging, but that's right,that's a tough book, man. He's
got this one song. It's 12minutes. It's a 12 minute medley
with a bunch of pushes andfigures, and it goes into Boys
Are Back of town. There's a 16bar drum soul. And then he's got
to go back
into, like, a New Orleans, NewOrleanian type of shuffle. Oh,
yeah.
And Jim doesn't play all thetime, you know what I mean. But

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he's getting back into it, yeah,first very,
very first day. Yeah, we'rethree months out from it.
Hey, so you're not, um, you'renot a girl. So I can ask you how
old you
are, correct on both fronts. I'm36 Okay,
yeah, because the girls don'tlike that. So 36 that is a great
time. I would say it's a greattime in a man's life, I had a

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great time between 36 and like46 great, great window, great
things were happening late. Itwas very enjoyable time. So
I agree, Work Life has beengood. Home Life is great, yeah,
you know, enjoying some thingsthat have come from all the hard
work up to this point, yeah, youknow. So, yeah, it does feel

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good.
36 is going okay, soak it up. Sobefore you connected with Laney,
you spent some time with Maggierose. I love her. Them vibes,
and then the Morrison BrothersBand. Tell us about that,
because I have some experiencewith the Morrison Brothers
Band. Do I not? You do?
Yeah, the Morrison Brothers Bandwas a country rock band my

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brother now we're in, and thatwas a band we moved to Nashville
with. And for those of youlistening, I first met rich. We
were writing songs. This is, Idon't know how much of that
you're still doing. I'm notpersonally doing a ton, yeah,
but yeah at that time, yeah andyeah. So we got introduced and
met on a songwritingappointment. That's right. So,

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yeah, that was,
that was really so it's fun. Wegot to go back and maybe find
the song we wrote that
day. I'm sure, if I look hardenough, in these old drop boxes,
I could probably pull it
out. Yeah, I'm wondering ifthere's a iPhone recorder demo
I do. And I remember you broughtyour, your hand drum, yeah, your
Jim Bay, yeah, that was thepercussion on the work tape. I

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love
it because you can make it soundlike a kick and a snare and it
and then once you get that, thatiPhone recorder out, it
compresses it delightfully,yeah, you know. But yeah, no,
it's, I would say it's hard tokeep both of those worlds alive,
you know. So I had my publishingdeal for five years, and my
buddies, Curt and Tully, youknow, Curt and Tully, they kind
of kept going with it, yeah, andI asked to not up my deal again.

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But you're at a point where youdon't, man, you don't need a
deal. You can just write greatsongs and you have great
relationships.
Yeah, I would say where it'swhere it's ended up is I
wouldn't want a publisher tofeel like they didn't have my
focus. And now, yeah, whilethere was a time in my life
where I was aggressivelypursuing a publishing deal,

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yeah, it doesn't seem offhandlike a publisher would feel like
they were getting the most of mewell, because you only have
three days a week to play with.Yeah, we still write, you know,
situationally, it makes sense.And we, we've written with Laney
here and there, you know. Well,
that is really smart, becauseeither that or you're writing in
the room next to her and shehears something she likes you

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like, hey, yeah, come check thisout.
Yeah, I wish that would havemore often. But she doesn't seem
to be pressed for good ideas.They're, yeah, they're flowing
right now, yeah, you gotta, yougotta muscle in to get her
attention when it comes tosongwriting.
So all these great experiencesyou guys have done all the you
know, the Grand Ole Opry gottado that you got tonight. Show,

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Kimmel today. Show, Good MorningAmerica. Dallas Cowboys,
Thanksgiving Day, I think we didsome sort of thing like that.
Fun. I was really upset thatthey didn't have turkey for us.
They had chicken, fried chicken.No,
no, we had turkey. Yes, becauseyou guys are, you
know, great. ACM, CMAs, people,choice words. Any good memories
here? Favorite, green rooms.Favorite. At situations.

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Oh, I don't know the greenrooms. I'm sure you know it.
They all look the same. Everyloading dock looks the same. I
know, you know,
we don't really see Jim waslike, you haven't seen Mount
Rushmore? I was like, I have,no, I haven't seen the Grand
Canyon.
I haven't personally been to theGrand Canyon. I have personally
been to Mount Rushmore once.Yeah, but yeah, there's
certainly some performances thatstand out. Yeah. But yet, the

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minutia, the daily stuff, it'scrazy, how it does kind of run
together. Now, what
do you do to keep your sanity?Are you like a are you workout
guy? Are you a reading guy? Oryou go find a local coffee shop?
Guy, definitely
find the coffee shop. I try tostay in a practice routine. It
just seems like a thing that youcan occupy amounts of time on

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the road, yeah, working on thehands, the pads and constructive
way to to waste time,
yes, so you don't get intodeath, scrolling and all that
kind of stuff. It
happens. Yes, I'm aware that,you know, there are better ways
to keep your mind. I
mean, I'll do it. I'm like, ohmy god, yeah, here's an hour.
What am I doing? Yeah, yeah,sucks,

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yeah. I should get into somekind of workout routine though.
You know, well,
you're just naturally lean,
yeah, I thought you were aboutto say strong. You're
naturally lean. And thank God Ididn't wear that jacket today,
because they have the samejacket. Was that, right? Yeah,
just throw it on. It works. Man,this
is always faithful. Yeah? I wasthinking the same thing.

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Does Carhartt make a
jean jacket type thing? Ofcourse, definitely they make
it's a canvas, yeah, it'sdurable. Now,
what's the deal with thatcompany? Is it like a Dickies,
kind of like work wear. Is thathow they started? Durability.
You
want to go out, you know, workon the ranch, yeah, do some
electrical work, get up onladders and crawl through
addicts. This is the clothing towear. Car hard at Tractor

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barrel. Tractor barrel.
Tractor barrel. Let's get
hybrid advertisers. Let's starta store called tractor barrel.
Well,
we had, we had Eric Pritchard onthe show, you know, Megan
drummer, and he was talkingabout getting barreled, you
know, by this getting barreledthing. He loves Cracker Barrel.
Okay? He goes around and he eatsat all the Cracker Barrels in

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the country. And he takes asigned eight by 11, and he has
him framed, and he puts them onthe walls at all the Cracker
Barrels,
okay? And they're in black andwhite. That's
awesome. Do people not stop you?They're like, Oh, sir, what are
you doing? He goes, No, I justmake sure that there's like, a
little empty space on the wallkind of away from folks. And I

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just, he has one of those, thosestick them things, the two sided
tape or whatever. It isn't nice.So smart,
the closest I think I've done inpast bands. You know, remember
when Starbucks used to sell CDs?Yeah? You know, sometimes you
happen to leave five or six inthere.
That's really smart, but, andit's but, it's got the but they

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couldn't run it through theregister. No, obviously not. It
was just for grassrootsmarketing, you know? Yeah,
whatever happened? Happened? Ah,that's smart. So are you
Starbucks guy? Because there's aStarbucks right there. It
happens to
be the closest coffee shop to myhouse, you know, meow. Oh, yeah.
Did they get because I'm alwaysMitch Rich
has noted that the cup says meowand there's a cat face drawn on

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it. I have no idea what that'sabout.
I don't know. Maybe there was agirl that was thought you were
meow.
Hard to say.
So you're always, did they dothat on purpose? By chance
get your name wrong? Yeah. Well,I have a friend, Stockton, hell
big, and he is an instructor, adrum set instructor, at the
University of North Texas, andhe used to tour with Maynard

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Ferguson. Oh, no. So there's anon campus Starbucks, and what he
does every day, it's his viralpost that he puts on, and he
just takes a picture of thedifferent names he gets. He goes
to the same place every day, andthey have never gotten his name
right. Stockton, reallyinteresting. No, it's like, you
know, stick man or stock youknow, it's, it's always wrong
every day. So,
wow, yeah, crazy. It's, I don'tknow what. I don't get Starbucks

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enough for them to screw up myname. So you're always Mitch
nine times out of 10. I met you.How do you get Mitch from rich?
I understand the obvious, yeah,but ruh and muh,
unless I'm a mumbler, I don'tknow.
I think it's part of like thegame within the game is they're
going to put something otherthan your actual name on. It's
like thing no matter what. Yeah,

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it's like putting a picture upat Cracker Barrel. Now, I guess
you know, it's going to becomelike an internet sensation of
some sort virality,
yeah. Now I was looking herethat you went to Loyola in New
Orleans, and I was thinking tomyself, well, maybe that's the
connection with Lainey, becauseshe's from Louisiana, too.
She is. She's from northernLouisiana,

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and the way that state's shaped,it's not all that close to New
Orleans. Yeah, yeah, I think shedid like that detail that we've
spent time there and appreciated
it. Yeah, did the whole band gethired as an ensemble? No,
I. No, definitely not. We kindof came one by one, huh? Who?
Who's the first to be hired soAslan, the guitar player and the

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band leader. He's been playingwith her since before she was
signed. They were playing barstogether. Nice. I didn't come
aboard until 2020. She hadrecently gotten a record deal.
My brother was the year beforeme, Tommy, our bass player, was
the year after me. He also didsome subbing. So yeah, it was

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kind of one by one. And then wehave the fantastic sav Madigan,
who plays, really, any stringedinstrument, anything with a
strings are bought off. I lovethose guys. Yeah, she's been
with us for over a year now,that's awesome. So yeah, we're
up to five piece backing band,and
you guys don't have a dresscode. You're allowed to be as
hip and crazy as you want. All

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we've ever been told is, youknow, look fitting, yeah? So the
sky's the limit. She doesn'tusually dress down on stage, no,
as you know, it's an event,yeah? So it can be a high bar,
yeah? But yeah, no, they've it'snot like a dress code or

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anything.
Yeah, you're not required towear bell bottoms. No,
I would say encouraged, but not,not required, very difficult to
play drums. Yeah? It wouldtotally get stuck. Yeah, it's
happened. It really inopportunetimes before. Oh, I hate that.
Yeah. So
she is speaking of all theengagements going on. She just

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got engaged
two days ago, apparently. Huh?She did. It was last week. Yeah.
So are you expecting to getinvited to
hers? I'm not sure you knowit's, it's, it's, whatever it is
we we invited her to ours. Said,Hey, I understand there's 1000
reasons why this might not workfor you, and that's fine. Yeah,
did
you use maybe some Catholicguilt in there? But you know,

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we'd love to see you there, butwe get it. Yeah, do what you
need to do. He's
doing impersonation of his
my mother, his mother. Yeah, mymother used to do that, gotta
rest your soul, gotta rest yoursoul. And I could actually say
that. It makes sense now, butthere's a my mother was the kind
of person that would be like,Oh, where you going? We I grew
up in the Northeast with acigarette in her mouth. Where

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you going? I'm gonna go out. Youknow, I could be telling her,
this is the best thing that'sever gonna happen to me. I
imagine this event is going tobe played in the scenes you see
before you die. You know how yousee your life flash before your
eyes? I anticipate this event tobe one of those things. This is
going to be so monumental. AndI've been so looking forward to

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it. Oh, good, because when youget back, we got something to
talk about, sort of God, we hadto ruin it, yeah? So you could,
you know, it's, it's effective,right? For people who don't know
that they're being, you know,Rick rolled, Catholic style,
Catholic girls, little Frank
Zappa. So what did your parentsdo? I'm sure they were

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supportive. Yeah, very
supportive. Neither weremusicians. Both music fans,
yeah? Dad had a big recordcollection. Mom always had the
oldies station on. And at thetime I was growing up, that
primarily meant we werelistening to music from the, you
know, late 50s and 60s, yeah? SoMotown, Memphis, Muscle Shoals,

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you know, little Mary wall, wallof sound. Beatles, all of that.
Yeah, British invasion. Thatwas, that was always on when we
were riding around with mom. Soit was really their listening
and their enthusiasm for whatthey listened to that this music
thing must have emerged from mybrother and I Yeah, so what
you're so with your brother? Imean, you probably had some

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family bands pretty early on, we
did. We struggled to find someguys that live nearby to play
with. But once I got maybe,like, late high school, and we
were starting to drive eachother around, we found some guys
and started, yeah, playing atcoffee houses and, you know,
church events, whatever we couldfind, yeah, you know, we would

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go well out of our way to playmusic in front of people, yes,
and continue to do so for manyyears.
Yeah, I love that, and I lovehearing about that, because not
to sound like the Get off mylawn guy, but I usually say one
thing per episode that soundslike, Get off my lawn. But, you
know, the crazy kids now they'relike, learning just how to DJ.

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And it's like, I like the ideaof, like, just being passionate
about a musical instrument anddoing and working on this craft,
and then finding the people toget into a room to do the thing,
and then you're like, Yeah, playthe school prom. Heck, yeah, you
know.
But no, that's, that's theattitude, right? Whether we were

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under rehearsed, whether we hadone too few people on stage,
whether we were too novice to bereally executing the music in
the set, like when you're thatage, it's just get me in front
of people with the drum set I'mthere.
Yeah, there's something aboutwhen you add that audience into
the room, it just, it just. Itgives it purpose, and it
focuses, and it's like, I'msending this out to you, baby.

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Would you do that? You'dactually identify somebody?
Would you play to somebody Ilike to
like? Do you pick people out?Yeah,
every once in a while, yeah,yeah, you definitely do. I've
seen you do it, yeah,
you pick people out. And thatway, you know, everybody in that
area kind of feels special,right? Because they're
like, Wow, he's really focusing.Who tell you my ticos Torres

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story? Um,
is this when he was playing witha screwdriver in his hand
instead of drumsticks or what? Idon't know, what? What story?
What? No, there was one timewhere he didn't have drumsticks.
Did you have a drum? I think hewas auditioning for the band or
something, and he picked up,like, two wrenches or something.
I had a guy. We had saw, we sawBon Jovi at Mandalay Bay, yeah.

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And because of my connections inradio on this particular tour,
Bon Jovi had like, side stageaccess, where they would platoon
people up and they got to hangout for about 20 minutes on
either side of the stage andwatch the band up close. And
John would come by and high fivepeople and stuff, and Courtney
and I got to go up there, andshe was in front of me, and she

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wanted to she was a huge fan ofJon Bon Jovi. And if you
mentioned this, she'll point toher arm and shake. This is where
He sweated, right? But the wholetime, like I was just watching
Tiko play, and he and I justlocked eyes. And it's like, one
of those things where you kindof look at somebody like, hey,
and you kind of need to lookaway. And you're like, he just

(26:29):
kept looking at you. He waslike, just lasers, just burning
holes through the back of my
head. Something must have beengoing on in his brain. He was
kind of just kind of looking inthat direction. He was probably
thinking about what he wasplaying, I wouldn't take it
personally. Oh,
I didn't take it personally. Itwas just kind of off putting,
yeah, which, you know, somethingI need to do is get off putting.
Oh, Jim, give us. Give yourselfa good I mean, these are dad

(26:51):
jokes to the extreme. I thinkyou have a you have a doctorate
in and bad jokes waiting for it.Do you know our buddy Tony Mora?
He's like, a great sessiondrummer here in town. He's been
here 30 years anyways, right upthe road in Franklin, he's got,
he was the first cat inNashville to take his garage and
turn it into a world classrecording studio. Okay? And
like, he was in mixed magazine,and all these producers in

(27:14):
Nashville were, like, they hadit out for him, and they were
sending them, like, meanmessages, Hey, man, you're
ruining things for people thathe just was a visionary. He saw
that. That's where it was going.Yeah? Jon Bon Jovi recorded
vocals in his studio
last week. That's a good reasonto reach back out to the haters
and be like, what were yousaying? Yeah?
Because, you know, as these ascommercial studios are

(27:36):
demolished, yeah, it's not a bigdeal to have somebody, a
celebrity, go to someone'sbasement, right, to record
something. Yeah, it's verycommon,
because it's like, now they'regetting so more access
accessible, yeah, you know whatI mean, yeah. I mean, but then
again, I'm biased, because I'vebeen around celebrity for a

(27:57):
majority of my professionallife. Yeah, you got to get used
to them here. You know, youactually put your pants on one
leg at a time, but
when you do make gold records,yeah? Hey, do you have a place
for you to kind of make somenoise at the house, or they do
little recording? Yeah? I have aconverted garage. That's
what you did, yeah? So is itcompletely soundproofed?

(28:18):
No, no. The exterior walls havebeen modified so that hopefully
it's not so obvious what's goingon,
so the doors don't go up, or ifthey do, it's just another wall
in front of it. I
wish, yeah, it wasn't a massivespace to begin with. So there
are very obvious things thatmost studios do that we were

(28:39):
just going to lose too muchsquare footage on but yeah,
reducing the amount of volumethat leaked out into the
neighborhood seemed like auseful and a polite idea.
There's got to be a level offorgiveness from neighbors if
it's during the day. Yeah,
yeah, they're all pretty cool.We're close with our neighbors,
and the house closest to thatroom, there's folks that rent

(29:01):
that. So really, we kind oflucked out. If they had a
problem with it, I'm not surethey could really affect much.
That's good, but no more lucky.You know that everybody's just
cool. Everybody's looking outfor each other.
More than anything, it's more oflike
it's sending a smoke signal outinto the universe. Come rob me.
You know what I mean,
exactly, exactly. So it wasimportant to us to be a little

(29:23):
bit more discreet about it. AndI can hear two other musicians
on our street. I mean, so you'renever far,
Alex, I heard the first GarageBand the other day across the
street in my neighborhood. Yeah,it was a guitar it must have
been a kid with his drums and aguitar player just having a
ball. Now, that just warms myheart.
It really does, because that'swhat that's where we came from.
That's where I came from. Yeah,man, no, in a garage totally.

(29:47):
And you know, those guys playif, as long as they can decently
play it's not annoying, yeah,you know, yeah. So I'd imagine
that even if it's loud, buthearing somebody play their
instrument tastefully, you don'treally mind it, yeah, I wouldn't
think so. You know, yeah,
yeah. And as long as it's notgratuitous, you know, I'm not,
I'm not banging away at midnightor strange hours, or six in the

(30:08):
morning, you
know, you know, 10 to 6am iskind of when I want to practice
my blast beats. That's a
fantastic time to practice. Myfavorite time to practice, yeah,
the way home life is right now,that's not the routine I've
ended up in. Oh,
you know, Sepultura hour at 4am
how many dates are you guysdoing these days?

(30:29):
This coming year? I think we'reshooting for 75 ish the last two
years. No, sorry, the last fouryears, it's been considerably
more. Yeah, the year we were outwith you guys, we were somewhere
up near 150
and it was like 180
then 150 again, in last year was120

(30:50):
but the 100 something was in avan. You guys went to the bus in
2022 right, yeah,
that sounds right, yeah, Ibelieve so. So
that's when she really kind ofhit. Was around that time. Yeah,
we
had our first, I say we she hadher first big hit while we were
on the road with you guys. Yeah?Because I remember the moment we
found out it went number one. Wehad a cake. And I remember there

(31:11):
was guys from yours band andgrew and they're celebrating
just eating, eating all thecake. Yeah, I remember I offered
someone I was walking around.They were like, invite all the
guys. And I was like, Hey, doyou want you want cake? And
somebody thought I was making areference to something else.
They thought it was code forsomething. I was like, No, we
literally have cake. Would youlike some? I was like, Man,

(31:32):
you've been hanging out withwith yours band too long. Most
people mean, do you want a pieceof cake?
Yeah, cake has a differentmeaning, though, I guess,
anyway. But yeah, it was, it wasa steady climb from there, you
know, I was around the firsttimes we noticed people starting
to sing along. And then when westarted noticing people singing

(31:55):
along to songs that hadn't beenradio singles, nice, you know.
And you just start observingthis evidence that things are
kind of coming together. Yes,you know, and we're all
it's more fun when they'resinging along.
It does. But I mean, and youknow, that's as well as anybody,
um, when the songs are doinggood and the albums are doing

(32:18):
good, and hopefully the recordlabel and management are feeling
like things are going okay. Ittakes the pressure a little bit
off of what you and I do. Yeah,you know, it's, it's not unheard
of for various people or thingsto get kind of, I don't know,

(32:40):
assessed as part of the problem.Yes. So yeah, it's great when
things are just going, going
smashing. Well, yeah, our singalong song. Back in my days with
Connecticut, white bread Jim wasthe every episode, the esteemed
crowd favorite, what's up yourbutt? That was the Sing along.

(33:02):
Oh, I'll tell
you what's up. My butt just wentto go get to my physical today,
and I told the guy, no,
I'm not even sure how much thatwas made up. No,
that's not made up at all. Okay.
We were going half and half. Heplayed kind of like an early rap
rock band in Connecticut, okay,yeah. They were like, I guess

(33:23):
you could, you could probablysay an early version of what
Limp Bizkit became, yeah, okay,yeah. People still love that
stuff they do. I could never,ever see at the time, like, I
can't, how are we ever going toplay arenas with this kind of a
band? Yeah? You know, the songsthat we had were absolutely
disgusting, but
you would have had to tourrelentlessly, and you would had
to get the support of a label,because all that machinery has

(33:46):
to come together to
never would have had we were wayahead of our time. Yeah, it
never would have happened in 94
Well, it's good for you to thinkto yourself, hey, we were, we
were first on scene. That'sright, we were too early.
And it's still people stilllike, you know, some of the fans
still like, going back and it'son YouTube. You can listen to
all the songs. Yeah.
I mean, when we say that, whenwe when we cut hick town, it was
drop de tuning, and I'm ridingon crashes and slamming rim

(34:10):
shots. I'm like, I don't know.Man, this sounds dangerous. I
don't know if people are gonnalike this. And now it's, seems
polite,
you know, Well, Jim, I was gonnasay that genre got a little bit
of a shot in the leg. You know,in the last couple years, it
might be time for you guys to,you know, consider a reunion.
Reunion, yeah, it's
actually been discussed. And mywife is like, you dude, the kids

(34:34):
can't see you up there. Youknow, you were 18 at the time
when that, when you did allthat. Wow.
Jimbo, 18 year old. Jimbo, Bodyfor Life. Jim,
we had a bunch of songs. Fat Bocornhole, ukopia, gosh, can I
even say the one that's aboutnow, why not? Your chin is my

(34:56):
ball. Rest. That was a I wasthat was our ballad. That's a
great place for him. Yeah. Oh,it's really nice.
I really don't see Laney cuttingthese, but
Well, actually, that ties intothis next thing I'm seeing. Did
you play on the wiggles newalbum? I
did not. Okay, no, wait
a minute, what? There is anotherMatt Nolan. He's a symbol

(35:17):
designer.
There's, yeah, there's ahandful. There's the symbol
designer Matt Nolan, who makessome unbelievable sounding stuff
interesting to not talk to himor played any of it in person.
Yeah. And then there's a anothercat in town. Matt knows a
keyboard player and asongwriter, yes, yeah. And
we've, we've had to get to knoweach other over the years,
because we've ended up with eachother's checks before. Oh,

(35:40):
really, no, yeah. And there wasa time where we were both
playing for people on on BrokenBow, yeah. And so, you know, you
gotta mystery
is hit music, right?
The reason why I asked about thewiggles here is Laney is
featured on their next album.Oh, wow.
Wiggles surprised me. No, Ididn't have anything to do with

(36:01):
them. Laney
is doing an incredible amount ofcollaborations. I mean, she's
singing with everybody. He'slike, Jelly Roll, and it's a
hardy or, you know, I mean, justall the cats. And then do you
guys do some of that stuff live,where you put some of these
voices on track?
We've never put voices on atrack. We do usually play at
least a few of those in the set.And she just sings the whole

(36:25):
song. This past year, yeah, shejust did a medley of all the
duets, and it was during hersolo acoustic moment, wow. So
yeah, she just, you know, that'ssmart, rearranged the things to
make sense, just
her. That's good time for youguys to go pee. If you want to
go pee, great, great time to usebathroom.
I love that. And then every oncewhile, I've been lucky these,
these people would, you know,happen to be in the same place
at the same time and come up anddo it with us. And that's which

(36:47):
is nice, because in a shortamount of time, your resume has
exploded, because now you haveperformed with Jelly Roll. You
have performed with all thecats, man, you know,
technically,
yes, it feels like it's, youknow, kind of a by default, but
yeah, technically, yes, it'sgreat.
Hey, man, you know, I this thewhat we had a whole episode
where we kind of were me andTravis McNabb were just totally

(37:08):
riffing on, like, when can youclaim someone and put them on
your resume and say, like, lookat is there? Is there another
Matt Nolan that has played withJelly Roll? And the answer is
no, and, and you were on thatstage, and you deserve to be on
that stage, and you provided theserious backbeat for that guy to
do his thing. That's going onyour resume,

(37:31):
dude? Yeah, it depends on whatthe situation is. It has before
it doesn't always, yeah, I likethat.
Now tell me, when did you didyou get formal training, like,
you know, reading, music,rudiments, all that kind of
stuff. What they were in theschool band? Yeah,
I had a brief foray with theschool band, like, you know,
third grade or so. Playedtrumpet for a couple years,

(37:51):
great. And, like, Grant, likeGreg Bissonnette plays the
trumpet,
does? Yeah, yeah, that, thatdidn't take, you know, and I got
out of the organized band stufffor a while. Got back into it in
high school, this time,percussion, yes, but yeah, I was
playing drum set on the sidebefore that, yeah, and that,

(38:12):
that always held my attention.But by high school, it was like,
Cool. If you want to play in thejazz band, you got to play in
the other band, yeah. And thatmeans you need to be able to
read. So started working onthat.
Does that help you with your youever scribble out some little
charts to help you get throughsomething last minute? Yeah,
absolutely.
I wasn't much good at it, and bythe time I got done school, I
was a decent reader. Yeah, yeah.It still comes in very handy.

(38:35):
Page
38 of the syncopation book, thatone, you know, well, I'm just
assuming that, you know, Johnnyvodakavich at Loyola would be,
you know, pushing you and yourreading and all that kind of
stuff.
Yeah. So the way it worked, whenI was there,
you usually studied with Johnny,like, your junior and senior

(38:57):
year, and it was a guy namedWayne Moreau. You took lessons
with freshman sophomore year,and he was more of the technical
instructor, and he would makesure your your reading was up to
a certain level, yeah. And ifyou held the sticks poorly, like
I did, you'd get an earful aboutthat once a week. Yeah. By the
time you were with Johnny, itwas like very stylistic approach

(39:21):
related stuff. We did a lot oflistening. We did as much
listening as we did play to
the history of New Orleanianmusic. Yeah, and you know, it's,
there's a lot of specific thingsabout the New Orleans style, but
somehow, it's not supertechnical. You need some
technique to play that, thatmaterial, but, you know, then

(39:43):
you throw it away, not like avery, I don't know, classroom
oriented kind of thing. Youlearn by watching guys and
hearing guys do it. So the mostI ever got from Johnny was
sitting right next to him whilehe's playing, yeah, you know.
And
then would you take advantage ofthat, that environment, and go
down and. To watch her and Rileyand, of course, Stanton and

(40:04):
yeah,
saw her in three or four times.Whenever he was playing with his
group or with somebody at snugHarbor that was like the
intimate jazz club in town, hewould usually start the show
with a tambourine, and he wouldhis band would be on stage
playing. He'd walk in from theback playing tambourines. And
there was times where he wouldtake a solo on the pipes, you

(40:26):
know, on the wall, behind thescenes, smart, slick,
like that. Slick, did you becomefriendly with Stan
I met Stanton a handful oftimes. We're not buddies, but
I've seen him play, oh man, Idon't know, probably 2030, times
with now that I think about it'sbeen way more than that. And
I've probably seen galactic 20times, yeah, yeah,

(40:48):
all the time. He like, is partowner of tippity is, I think
I know I heard they, they madesure that that place stayed
open, and that people learnedthe history that club. And,
yeah, yeah. They've been reallygreat to music in that city. I
love New Orleans.
Incredible place to visit. Idon't know if I would live
there, but yeah, it's
awfully hot and humid for a lotof the year. Yeah and yeah.

(41:11):
Weather wise, you're you prettymuch, you can count on some
hurricane, yeah, shuffling. Doyou
ever have the fried alligator?Yeah? Oh, yeah. It's just like,
tastes like chicken, yeah,little tough can be Yeah,
I had that for the first time inBaton Rouge. Yeah. Now is a
baton rouge or Rouge.
I've always heard Baton Rougerouge, because I've heard it

(41:33):
like
Bruges with a hard G bat inRogue rogue. But with Baton
Rouge, I did a lot of filmingdown there for a dealership, and
it was always kind of nice,because in the afternoons,
probably during the day, you'dalways have like, a pop up
thunderstorm, yeah? And then itwould clear out, you'd get that
kind of post thunderstorm sunsetduring the spring, typically.
And I'm like, you know, I saidit's, it's kind of gloomy at

(41:57):
times. I said, but your sunsetsare spectacular, yeah? And
they're like, oh, it's notbecause of, you know, the
environment. It's because of allthe refineries, just like, you
know, putting stuff out into thethe atmosphere. It makes the
sunlight list look really cool.
That is funny, buddy. Oh my god,yeah, I will say this. I miss

(42:18):
those cotton candy sunsets inLos Angeles. Man, my God, every
night
we get some spectacular sunsetshere, though, you could get some
cotton
candy stuff here, yeah, but it'slike, you can count on it every
night, craning Brontosaurus,palm trees, and then the most
beautiful cotton candy sky. Andyou're like, I don't want to be

(42:38):
anywhere else right now. Yeah,
yeah. We're on a hot streakright now with LA, it's rained
the last three times I've beenthere.
They may need it. Well, yeah,
but by all accounts, it's notcommon. Now.
Where were you guys playing outthere? Did you I bet you guys
did a small little show with allthe suits at The Troubadour. Do

(42:59):
you ever play there.
I played the Troubadour withMaggie rose one time. Yeah, but
this last Laney show was at theGreek first time there was
pretty cool. Man,
gorgeous. That had to beawesome. Man, it's great. Yeah,
I saw a blondie there. That'samazing. Yeah, it's like, it's
like, 10,000 people orsomething. It might be less.
It's comp some. It's a smallerHollywood Bowl,

(43:21):
exactly, yeah, yeah. So the bowlis has become the bucket list
out there this year, our lashows at the forum. Ah, which is
really cool. The history there.It's, I might as well be called
the house that Fleetwood Macbuilt.
Yes, you know, we were all setthere to play there the weekend
before, huh? Now the weekendafter the Vegas stuff. So we

(43:46):
never did it, but maybe we'll doit at some point.
You know Jason, I'm sure he can,kind of, if he wants, whenever
he wants to, know, they'll makethey'll make time, they'll
cancel the game, but they don'teven play there anymore. What am
I saying? What's that the Lakersdon't play there. Oh, now
where do the Lakers play? Buddy?
Get on the Google later.Crypto.com, arena, right? Yes.

(44:09):
Is it Staples Center? Unless,
yeah, yeah, formerly state.Crypto.com,
arena,
not catchy.
Crypto.com, I use them. That'snot into crypto at all. You guys
get into
that? Not a ton, no, just alittle bit about it, yeah, you
know. But I've never tried tobuy or sell an NFT.

(44:32):
I've never done that. I'vebought and sold crypto. Yeah,
no, yeah. I've got, I got intoit back when in 2018 I think,
yeah. And it was like justjumping through hoops just to
get you had to go through like,three or four different levels
just to make a purchase, right?Yeah, we're still early, guys,
right? Well, I can't afford it.Bitcoins on sale, I know,

(44:54):
but I don't know if I mean Howmuch for one whole Bitcoin right
now, 80 grand.
80 Some, yeah, 80
some. Something right now, butyou can buy a Satoshi. I'm
looking it up. So a Satoshi isthe are like the nickels, dimes,
quarters of $1 the subdivision.So they're called Satoshi
subdivisions, subdivisions, andthere's 100 million Satoshis in

(45:18):
each Bitcoin. So you can buy abunch of Satoshi stack those
sets, as they say, yeah, yeah.So you could buy a portion of a
Bitcoin and eventually aspire tobe a whole coiner at some point,
because there's only 21 millionof them, right? So,
ah, let me pay my taxes firstand then see what happens. Hey,
hold out. You might not have to.I know. Maybe there won't be an

(45:39):
IRS. That'd be great, but I dowant my Social Security.
Okay, I do. I mean, don't you?No
Man, No, I want it. I
hope you get it too, becausewe're all you know,
because you, I think you eitherhave to pick your Social
Security, or if you have anincome that exceeds it, you

(46:00):
can't have both. You got to pickone or the other, from what I
understand. So I'd rather exceedmy monthly income. Well, I think
we all went, but, yeah, yeah.But as, like, it's not going to
amount to much by the time youget it, but it's like, hey, as,
like, a Hail Mary, I would loveto have it as an option. Yeah,
you know. So tell us about thisnew record. Bro, you are on the
new record because I waslistening to all the new tracks.

(46:21):
I'm like, everything is so tightand dry, and it's just a whole
different approach. I wonder whoplayed on this. And I was like,
going through my idea of like,because I know how every session
drummer in Nashville kind ofapproach this thing and and
sounds. And
it's you, man, congrats. Thankyou very much, man, and
be cool to yourself on theradio, right?

(46:42):
Yeah, that was a trip. It was atrip, I have to first say and
give a shout out to Fred eltrin.We love friends, and a lot of
what you're hearing may orprobably is Fred playing yeah
and yeah, because of the twodrummers thing, my
responsibilities song to songkind of changed around. And so

(47:04):
on one tune, it could have beena very Augs perk kind of role
for me. Maybe I was playing akit where we ran it through
effects and so it was a dry kit,wet effects kit, yeah, thing.
And then there's five or five orso songs on the album where it's
two of us playing drum set wideopen same time. There are five

(47:26):
specific songs on the albumwhere our kits were right next
to each other, not baffled, sobasically bleeding into each
other's mics, sharing rooms, allthat kind of thing. So yeah, it
was great. That is
so fun. And and the snare drumchoices. I mean, some of them,
like, and then some of them werelike, like, it was, they're
cranked up. It had like, thisnice overtone, and then sounds

(47:48):
like one of them was maybe,like, like, you know, your
little jungle snare that youhave, like, super tight with
like, a jingly type thing on it.Yep, I
can think of exactly the oneyou're talking about. Yeah, the
precedent they've kind of saidis more organic kind of drum
sounds, yes. So older, biggerkits with some muffling Tubby

(48:09):
kind of, you know, kicking toms,yeah, and then yeah, like a fat,
but, like, maybe slightlydampened snare thing, yeah. So
yeah. Jay
Joyce. Jay Joyce, so
that, so you do it at his place,yep. And, and you enjoyed the
process. It was like it wasn'tone of these looking at your
clock, wow. Kind of a process.

(48:29):
Absolutely not. I mean, firstoff, the the material that she
kept bringing in, because wedidn't, we didn't have these
tunes to live with for very farin advance, they, they sent us
some stuff. Yeah, you know, acouple days before that's
good, yeah? Because then youdon't overthink it exactly,
you know, you don't want to comein with a too much of a road
map, because then it becomesthis unlearning challenge when

(48:51):
somebody wants to change thisthing, yeah? So yeah, it's
helpful to be slightly familiarwith the tune, but not so much
to where you've already madedecisions that are going to get
overruled, yeah,
but, yeah, man, no. Jay'sbrilliant.
Laney's amazing in the studio.She's one of those people who
really, really enjoys beingthere.

(49:14):
And she just, you know, she'slike,
creatively, totally in the zone.You know, she's just
so nice and outgoing andenthusiastic and sincere. She
sings great. And she's, youknow, got the whole image thing.
She just doubled down on thatthing with the bell bottoms and
all that. It's like, as she'stender age of 32 right? I mean,

(49:37):
it's pretty incredible.
Yeah, it's really good. But so,yeah, to answer your question,
man, it's it was definitely notboring time there. Yeah, and you
know, the pressure's on. Noteverybody has their their road
guys in there. So we, wedefinitely understood what we
had to do to to be invited tocome back to the Father. Going

(50:00):
day, yeah, and it happened,yeah, well, next day. But you
get this because you've beendoing this for quite a long time
with the band you to work with.Yeah, it's
very nice to do to wear both thehats, because then there becomes
a a pride and an ownership thatit goes deeper. Because yes,
you're not just regurgitatingExactly.

(50:21):
It would be difficult to findsomebody who cared more about
Jason's record yes than you doYeah, and you're gonna play in
such a way that stems from that,you know, but at the
same time and, you know, andthis musical economy and the
idea of having a steady job inthe music business, you know, if
your only job is to regurgitateat a high level,

(50:43):
still pretty good. Oh, man,pretty good job. Yeah, no issues
there, yeah, you know, yeah,man, it's, well, that's cool,
and your parents
got to be super proud, becausethey can go crank up the radio.
That's my son, I guess so. It'smy son on the drums. That's my
son's my two sons. Yeah,
my mom tells me when she seesanyone CMT, or when she hears us

(51:06):
on the radio, things like that.Yeah,
I will, my mom will call me.She's like, I heard your
tambourine on the latest traceAtkins song you were telling me
about. It's very loud in themix, nice. It's like, you know,
it's like, I'm playing atambourine on beat four. And my
mom is proud of me. So
now I got to bring up, you know,the obvious. Recently, we had
the Grammys, yes, yes, yeah.And, you know, Beyonce was in

(51:28):
the category that Laney was in,yeah, a lot of people. There
were mixed reviews andreactions. Let's say on, you
know, what had happened in termsof a little bit of controversy?
I guess you could say, Sure,what was her take on that? I
know we talked about it beforethe show, but, you know, can you
speak to that at all? Yeah. So
I saw her about a week before wedidn't perform, so that those of

(51:52):
us in the backing band, wedidn't go well, yeah? And she
told me she's like, you know,seems like Beyonce is gonna win.
And I was like, Yeah, you know,I mean, this is unbelievable
category. This year. It wasBeyonce, Post Malone, Casey
Musgraves, Chris Stapleton andLaney. It's insane, yeah. So if
I'm not mistaken, well, let mejust say things I'm I can feel,

(52:17):
uh sure about, yeah, all thosepeople deserve Grammys, and most
of them have already won them,Laney included. So the company
in that category was like, kindof crazy, yeah. And so yeah, she
was like, I wouldn't get yourhopes up. I'm pretty sure
Beyonce is going to win this.And she felt really good about
that. Yeah, you know, she's sosupportive of this movement

(52:38):
that's been drawing newlisteners to country music,
yeah? And diversity and women incountry music, yeah, you know,
she's a really, really strongsupporter of, you know, shaking
things up, yeah? And it itreaching people that it didn't
used to, yeah, you know. So

(52:58):
this is the music of the people.Modern country music is the new
rock and roll.
Well, and like, we half absorbedrock, you know, and pop got the
other half
Yes, you know, yeah, because, Imean, modern rock is kind of in

(53:18):
the shitter. I mean, we are.It's a rough period for modern
rock. I listen to the station,you know, the buzz or whatever,
and I'm trying to keep up withthe stuff, and I can't tell the
bands apart. And it's just, it'sjust rough. I mean, there's,
where's the Stone Temple Pilotsand the, you know, the sound
gardens, and it's, it's just ait's, it's in a slump, and we
have taken all the fans, whichis a good thing. It

(53:41):
just evolved, yeah, you know, Imean, again, getting back to the
Beyonce thing, I could see whatyou're saying. And I love the
fact that she was like, youknow, from afar, she was happy
for but it's so funny to watchthe reactions when they called
out her name. Even she lookedshocked, like, really, I'm

(54:01):
getting one for, for what I didin country and not my main
genre, okay, yeah, because thatwas her first time, she
ends up with both of them,right, right?
Yeah, big win. She's got
to, Yep, yeah, man, crazy. A lotof statues. I wonder where these
people put these statues, youknow? I mean,
on a shelf, yeah, a shelf likeyou see behind us, that's right

(54:22):
there. That's
right, yeah. I think it usuallyhappens in the order of trophy
and then shelf, right? You know?I think you end up putting a
shelf. The best place for thattrophy to go. I don't think you
put it on a shelf that wasalready there. It's like where
Michael Scott would put hisDundies, right?
I used to have a whole shelffull of my awards. I have no
idea where my awards are now, atthis point, I think they're in a

(54:43):
box in my closet.
Yeah, you know, I've been tryingto downsize and do the Feng Shui
and just be a little bit moreminimalist, minimalist,
minimalist. Remember when weinterviewed Peter Stormare, the
actor and musician he played ina. And in Constantine, you know,
with key now, Reeves, he playedSatan, and he was the guy. He

(55:06):
came down. He was like, coveredin mud and and it was all in
white. He was all in white,which was not the obvious
choice, no, but he's the perfectpick for that. He was the
perfect pick. But he goes, hegoes, I have no art on my walls.
I have very minimal furniture,eye heels. I don't even have a
junk drawer, so if he doesn't,but that's so hard to do. What

(55:27):
happens when you're looking fora stapler, when you're looking
for a scissors, when you'relooking for, you know, some
pens, you gotta have some ofthis stuff.
Yeah, I don't think I could gowithout a junk drawer. A catch
all. It's a catch all. I wouldbe pretty, pretty impressed
with, with Fallon and I if wecould do without that. Yeah,

(55:48):
man, I don't know where we go.
Speaking of actors at the timeof this recording, how about
Gene Hackman? I saw
that on the way here. They saidit was a carbon
monoxide, like he may have beenfrom a carbon monoxide. Was it
really because his wife and hisdog went, they passed as well,
well? Because that would have tobe, that makes sense. It does
make sense. You know, I have thecarbon monoxide, but he was 95

(56:11):
years old. They had a great run,man, he probably would have kept
killing. I
know you're taken out by carwith CO two.
You got to have the, the thealarms in your house,
we have them. Yeah, yeah, youthat's terrible. They got them.
Yeah, yeah. I just
put the alarms in the house, thesmoke alarms, where you don't
have to change the batteries for10 years. They don't need

(56:32):
anything. They're not going tochirp for a decade. But when
that 10 years comes, the years,it's going to be like that
episode with Phoebe, where she'strying to stop the chirping fire
alarm and she can't figure outhow to do it. Are they nickel
batteries or lithium? I don'tknow. I just had the handyman do
it. They're energized. ChrisSwanson, if anybody's looking
for an amazing do anything handyman. Chris Swanson, now if
you're looking for a garagedoor, or if you're looking for

(56:53):
LED lighting, then you have tocall Jim McCarthy.
That's right. That's right. Butare they? Are they ever ready
batteries or Duracell? I don't
know, the finest that money canbuy. This is the portion
of the show where I try to makeit as boring as possible.
Oh, my God, you it
is tanking
so well, I should say too, like,if I'm the guest on here, like,

(57:16):
that's not a great sign of lifefor this. Well, it was great
while it lasted. No, the thegood interviews you guys had,
we're all very grateful for.We're supposed
it was so good. We have to, wehave to kind of balance it out
now, and that's my job.
Okay, you know?
Well, um, what was like? Oh, Iwas, I have still not gotten
around to watching any of it'sall overwhelming. Yellowstone.

(57:40):
And then the 1533 or 1890
1883 1923
so she was acting on that show,and used to play drums too,
right? Yeah, on severalepisodes. Now, did you get your
were you able to get your sadcard as an
actor? I was, well, they, theyoffered, we're in like this. In
between, you could,
you could have been Taft heartlead. That's the process where

(58:02):
the producers will say, hey,this kid, let's get him a SAG
card, and they just push youthrough the push the paperwork
through.
Okay, I'm not exactly sure,yeah, but yeah. But
if you, if there were willing todo that, and are still willing
to do it, you should get thatcard. Yeah? Because then when
you're in there, I was just agood thing to to maintain,
because you will be paid in acertain way as a SAG member. Are

(58:26):
you remember the union AFM
also a kind of in progressthing, but soon to be hard? Yes,
you might as
well just do that, because thething about Tennessee, which
minimizes the power of the Unionjust a little bit, is the fact
that we're in a right to workstate. Yeah. So I me, I think me
and Tully are the only unionmembers in our band, but then we

(58:48):
say we have to go do the Todayshow. It's a union thing. You
get paid through the Union. Butit doesn't mean that Tully and I
are the only ones that geteverybody gets checked. Yeah,
because Tennessee is a right towork state, but then Tully and I
have to pay work dues. No oneelse does
okay. I thought they still hadto pay their, their non member

(59:12):
dues. But you guys that aremembers, are the only ones. We
have to pay our memberships, andwe have to pay our, yeah, our
work dues, so we end up comingout, but then if we die, we will
have a small funeral benefitfund, yeah,
which I've been told is rocksolid again for
a while, and then we have apension, which is,

(59:36):
that's what I was talking about.Yeah, the pension is that's hard
to get that dollar amount up.Let me tell you some of the old
school guys like Eddie bears,Lonnie Wilson, Chad Cromwell,
Greg Morrow, Paul, I'm theseguys. They're gonna have an
insane because they were in theheyday of the velvet rope music
business, right? Guys like youand I were like, kicking and
clawing and scratching and, youknow, the the phone rings

(59:59):
session. I. I'll be there. It'sharder to add up, because it's
not twice a day every day,right? But those guys had twice
a day every day. God bless them.Yeah,
no, it's unbelievable, yeah. Andit's a shame that there's not as
much of the recording, andtherefore the, you know, the
union, yeah, work that's around.But
now, do you do people send youtracks? Yeah? Yeah. It's not

(01:00:22):
primarily how like it. Forexample, this last break we've
been on, I've been mostly in thestudio, yeah, whichever studio
that happens to be, but yeah,people do send me stuff, and
it's good. We're all set to
now, don't under charge. Makesure you charge a good rate,
because you're worth it, right?Right? Because there's guys out
there that are under charging.And it's, yeah, it's a race to

(01:00:43):
the bottom. Man,
yeah. Pretty soon it's, I'llgive you 20 bucks so I can put
my name once.
No, I'm telling you you areLainey Wilson's drummer. You
deserve to your whatever rate itis. You deserve it. Thank you,
man, look at that. Say right,Jim, that's right. We're gonna
get these pay days.
Okay, so, Hey, Jim, why don't wedo the Is it time for the Fast

(01:01:06):
Five?
Yeah, but they're no longerfast. They are never fast,
right? We can do we can switchthings up on the fly and make it
the funny five. Well,
it's always funny.
It is it is funny. I have abunch of funny questions in
front of me. Okay, then, then,why don't you try shaking it up?
Let me shake it up. Shake it up,
buddy. All right, we got thefunny five is cereal soup. Why

(01:01:29):
or why not? Ooh,
I don't know. I tend to think,no, I'm struggling for to come
up with a reason to specificallyback that up. I know there are
cold soups, I guess, yeah, it'snot so much of a vegetable thing

(01:01:50):
cereal, and that's why it's kind
of it's a dessert, you know?It's a breakfast. I don't think
you can have
a soup, as if you leave it outlong enough it becomes soupy. It
does disgusting. Well, becauseall everything dissolves in it
gross. How many? How many holesdoes a straw have?
Oh, crazy, right?
Yeah, that one really depends.Makes your brain, doesn't it?

(01:02:13):
That's like
those riddles that people youknow post memes of that go
viral, and you're like, I don'tknow. I need a little more. What
do
you mean? There's two holes. Isthere the two holes? Or
is there one long hole? Is a hotdog, a sandwich?

(01:02:35):
No, no, no.
Those are two different thingsyou could be in the mood for
anytime.
What's the weirdest smell you'veever smelled?
He's on a tour bus all the time.There's a lot of smell.
The loading dock can be a littlecrazy. Yeah,

(01:02:56):
a wharf. We we blew up a fuseone time. We tried to replace a
fuse and put an incorrect one ina PA head at my parents house,
and we were rehearsed in thegarage. Oh, and some, some of
those electrical smells can bekind of wild. Oh, yeah,
I don't know how many, how manyquestions did I ask? Three,
three. What's the funniest joke?You know, by heart? Oh, God.

(01:03:23):
I don't know if I know any funnyjokes by heart. I'm
not to traditional setup,deliver, memorize this guy.
Yeah, I just try to besituationally funny.
Yeah, I you know, I guess I tryto get satire, sarcasm, that
kind of thing. But I'm aterrible joke teller. Tommy from
our band has he could go rapidfire right now, Tommy, he's got

(01:03:46):
a town he'd crush it. Oh yeah, Igot nothing.
Let's see
toilet paper over or under, overhas to be over. Yeah,
yeah. And my fiance is theopposite. So you can, you can
tell who changed it. We switchit back and forth. Yeah, it's

(01:04:08):
uh, over. You pull it downexactly.
But sometimes, what other waywould you do that? Yeah,
sometimes you have to do themullet with it on
the back. I thought you weretalking about the wiping pattern
over. Jeez. That would be,
how do you
wipe? I hope the listenersunderstand that I understood the
question, because
it's amazing. Yeah, Jim's Jimtreated himself to a bidet. Ah,

(01:04:32):
I don't know how I got this farin life without knowing about
that technology, that it'swonderful,
but he's using cold water. Iwould use hot water.
I don't think you want to usehot water in that. Yeah, warm,
warm, cold's fine, though, okay.It saves so much toilet paper.
Wow, I
can't believe we're going here.Favorite color are you just

(01:04:56):
reverting back? We're
gonna try really fast. You. Wasgonna unpack
the rest of that in the future.
Let's say yellow. I got a yellowdrum set on the road right now.
Yeah,
yellow. Yeah, nice. Okay, fasttaxi. Yellow. Drink. My favorite
drink. Favorite drink, TopoChico. Oh, nice coffee drink,
meat. So many cups. Favoritefood or dish,

(01:05:21):
really anything with noodles,I'm there. Oh, yeah, like,
Italian food, Japanese food. Andthen,
what's the, what's the stuffwhere they break the quail egg,
and then, and then there's thenoodles. And it's a, it's a hot
soup,
man, I'm not specifically ramen,ramen. Oh, okay, I've never had
ramen with a quail egg. I loveramen,

(01:05:41):
yeah. Well, you know, the eggbreaks and the yolk kind of gets
put the egg in it, yeah, ohyeah. Favorite song of the
moment, or all time. One
that comes to mind is give mesome loving by Spencer Davis
Group.
Oh yeah, I love that stuff. Oh

(01:06:03):
yeah, all the sounds on thatrecording work together in like,
the best way. Steve Winwoodsinging, he's like, 18 on that
track, he might not even be 18.Wow. He wrote it, sang it, and
played organ. He's killing
and I believe he might have aplace here. Steve Winwood,
is that right? Yeah. I think Imaybe have heard about
either that or his merch companyis here.

(01:06:25):
What either lives here or his Tshirts or
warehouse, bound to be true,okay, a favorite movie
of all time, or of the moment
of all time. We're tied betweenAll the President's Men and
Moneyball, I will never, I willnever turn either those movies
off from scrolling throughchannels in a hotel. One of

(01:06:47):
those is on all his
presence men. Wasn't that DustinHoffman, yeah. Dustin
Hoffman and Robert
Redford and Moneyball came uprecently. Didn't
it? As somebody else mentionedMoneyball? Yeah. Recently, yeah,
yeah.
Great movie. I'm big baseballfan. And what happens in that
movie, the facts that it's basedon, yeah, and it's crazy how

(01:07:12):
that is. Billy Bean basicallytaken over. The way baseball
managing happens now,
yeah, yeah. So are you the guythat memorizes all the stats and
all that stuff. No,
not so much. I try to keepcurrent with our record and
who's who's in first and all
that, and then Pro or collegePro. Okay, because
I love watching collegebaseball, but college sports in

(01:07:33):
general, there's so many teamsto keep track of. It can be kind
of
like Aldean is like college allthe way it's like college
football, college baseball.Well, he also likes the Braves
and, well,
he's a big Georgia fan. Yeah,right,
see from Maryland. Marylandbasketball was huge. We followed
that really close, and we stilldo. Yeah,
no. Now, who's your who's thebaseball team that you like? Pro

(01:07:55):
Washington
Nationals, and they weren'tthere when I was a kid, we just
had the Orioles, and we had theOrioles while Cal Ripken played
for him, so that was great. Butthen, other than that, we always
rooted for DC teams, kind ofover Baltimore teams, not that
there was a animosity, but oncethe NATs came back, and I
believe, oh four, yeah,

(01:08:15):
you know who I've got back intoit I have a call with tomorrow.
Is Brett Saberhagen, hmm,
that name sounds familiar. It'sa Moneyball thing, right?
No, he was a World Seriespitcher, a World Series winning
pitcher from 1985
but Tully is in charge of his
He's on the board 501, okay,save his wings. You see me

(01:08:37):
wearing the hat every now andthen. Yeah, yeah. Are you
interviewing him. They might bedoing a podcast. Ah, look at
that. I got to meet them back inOctober. Wonderful people. Yeah,
I
met him at
at someone's wedding, yeah,yeah. He,
he's like, you go to meet thatguy. And the first time we saw

(01:08:58):
him, he's got, like, reallypiercing, steely blue eyes. And
then you see him like in hiselement, which is this point is
in that, you know, the winecountry of California. So he's
all into, you know, ranches andhorses and stuff like that. He
dons a cowboy hat, man. He lookslike the real freaking deal.
It's crazy. Wow. I
can't picture me on a horseroping and ride and us like, I'm

(01:09:21):
from Connecticut, you're from,you know, yeah, that part of the
countries.
I've been instructed to wear ahat plenty of times, but I have
never ridden a horse in my life.You
mean, as far as, like, in avideo, put on the cowboy hat,
yeah, yeah, for whateveroccasion, yeah. But you guys,
also, a
lot of you guys, wear that,those that those hipster hats,
those Silver Lake hats,
guilty as George, I

(01:09:41):
pulled up that picture of you.It's a side profile, and you got
the hat on. No, right? Yeah,like a Zorro had almost
I can't pull it off. I can't youguys crush it. I cannot do that.
Thank
you. I feel kind of like a fraudif I'm wearing a proper cowboy
hat. Yes, you know, because,yeah, that's like, it would
purely be a fashion thing. Yeah,you know, I didn't grow up with
rodeo. I did not grow up on afarm. I have respect for those

(01:10:05):
that did. Yeah, it was
the Indiana Jones had thefedora. Yeah, bring that back.
You could probably pull thatoff. There's
definitely guys doing it. Yeah?His was, like, leather, right,
something like
that. It was iconic. Yeah, itwas, but it was, I've been doing
the Scally, wearing the Scallylately? Dead news boys. Oh,
okay, yeah, I'll either it's mythird job of get your papers.

(01:10:28):
Yeah, selling newspapers. Readall about it. Yeah. I tried
that very briefly, becauselittle George from little feet
used to wear them sometimes. AndI was like, Oh, maybe I can get
away with that. Yeah, becauseyou can. I don't think I ever
found one that looked right onme. You know, other people, it
looks really slick.
I got the extra large, yeah, myblack one is an extra large, and

(01:10:51):
it fits my head. It's a littletight. But then I had to get the
XL for the two XL for the nextone, because it was way too
small for the XL. Okay, becauseI have a two foot melon,
Jim, you're funny buddy. Sogiant head, little feet, does
that makes me think of RichieHayward. Richie Hayward, fan,
huge fan, who's one of myheroes? Who are your other drum

(01:11:12):
heroes?
Richie Jim Keltner, nice.
There's so many you know all thejazz greats, specifically, you
know, Tony Williams and ElvinJones occupy a lot of my
listening time. All the greatyou know, rock and roll
drummers, Ringo and Charlie andKeith and Bonham that is
so nice to hear, because we getno one dropping Tony or elvins

(01:11:36):
names in here.
Oh man, I'm still trying tofigure out
what to do with the big, well,the big yellow kit that with the
black dot heads that TonyWilliams played exactly such
power. Yeah, it was amazing.Man. He was rocking. Had that
fusion stuff, the that he didwith exactly,
well, the fusion thing thataccounted for a lot of our, our
listening for a long time, wewere, like, specifically into

(01:11:58):
that. And then the straightahead, the interest in that jazz
came a little bit later, yeah,
the Tony Williams lifetime that,yeah, oh my god. And then Elvin
is, like, again, he is like abashing passionate. It's, he's
not soft,
no, definitely not. And it's,it's really emotional, yeah,

(01:12:20):
it's like, it's like, a tripthing when he plays. Man,
it's crazy, like you are in themotherland, like, when he plays,
it's insane. He's in touch
with something. Man, it's, it'sunbelievable. But yeah, and
then, you know, gab procarro,yeah, all of James Brown's
drummers, Purdy, yeah, I spentsome time in Muscle Shoals.
That's where my fiance's from.So, you know, Roger Hawkins,

(01:12:41):
man, yeah, Al Jackson fromMemphis, like, I try to be aware
of all of it, you know, yeah,
I can hear all that stuff. Andyou let the microphones do the
work. You got a nice touch.Drums always sound great, you
know, you incorporatepercussion, emulate the loops,
and you're one of the only guysI've seen in this genre that has
a China slash swish setcorrectly.

(01:13:06):
Well, there's some otherinfluences there, Mel Lewis. Mel
Lewis and, I believe, John Rileyand Peter Erskine both did the
swish there because they watchedMel do it. You know, because
you get no he Mel. So Mel wouldget so Jim. Mel Lewis was like a
great big band drummer, and hewould play at the Village
Vanguard every Monday night. Andhis whole thing is he was a very
quiet, he was a quiet big banddrummer, very, very mellow. But

(01:13:31):
he could drive all these guys.And then when it would go to,
like a solely section, which islike, say, you get all the
saxophones and they're playing,they're playing this whole
section in unison, he'd go tothe swish, yeah,
yep, it's got this smoky, smokysound. You got the rivets in it
too, yeah? 20 rivets in it. So
it's not like he's bashing it onthe upbeats, like Carmine or

(01:13:52):
Billy goblin. He's becauseyou're just kind of letting
it well. And I love the the morerock sounding China's, yeah, you
know, that doesn't seem to bethe most fitting sound for for
laney's music, no. But theswish, surprisingly, like, if I
have room for it, there's not agig I play that that is out of
place on. You can't use it toomuch. But, like, it's a really

(01:14:15):
dynamic symbol, whereas theother China's I've had, you kind
of got to pick your spot, andthen that's what that moment is
about, you know? Yeah,
my China is the it's just fastwhite lightning, and it's, it's,
it's obnoxious, but, but itworks in our crazy band,

(01:14:36):
yeah, I wouldn't say it'sobnoxious. It does a different
thing, you know. And I gotopportunities way up there
utilize that. You know,
it's the outfield thing. And Iremember getting my first Wuhan
China. The year was probablylike 1985 I'm practicing in a
garage with my band, and I'mjust waiting, you know, Josie on
a vacation far away, Shasha.
Oh, my God, exactly. Man. Lovesome of the i. Like those 80s

(01:15:00):
stones records where I thinkCharlie was using that UFI. P,
yes, China symbol. Man, thatthing sounds great.
Yeah. Have you seen the stoneswith Jordan live? Ever
I have we opened for him thisyear?
This is I would have opened withthis. Nah. Man, I would have
been like, Hey, rich. Have youheard that we open for the
stones? So where and when wasthis? I

(01:15:22):
was in, I think June SoldierField, Chicago. Laney
Wilson, that so cool. Did you gobackstage and talk to the guys?
Didn't
get to talk to the guys, damnit.
But we did. We did watch them.The deal was they had a, they
had a closed off sound check,right? There wasn't supposed to
be people out watching that,yeah, so mysteriously, like we

(01:15:42):
all had, you know, things we hadto accomplish on that main
concourse that looks out overthe stage, they sound check for
their entire allotted time. Thiswas the second show of a two
show run at that venue, and sothere was little reason we could
see for them to be soundchecking that day for two hours.

(01:16:05):
All this to say, like I get thesense they really like doing
this. They just like playing.They like playing. And they go
through so much material live.You know, maybe they had to bone
up on some stuff they hadn'ttouched in a while. But, man, it
was just magic watching themsound check, wow. And yeah,
Reggie Washington and SteveJordan, man, we're just trucking

(01:16:26):
the whole time. It was crazy.What
did they used to say that the soit's Mick and Keith Richards
were left of the stones, right?Yep. Yeah. Players gone as well.
Yeah, Bill
Wyman is not usually touringwith them, but I think there's
some shows here there that hepops up and does okay. And Chuck

(01:16:51):
Lovell was playing. He's beentouring with them for like, a
really long time, but
the original bass playerdeparted from the is, that is,
it was, uh, it was Darryl Jonesfor, like, was it 20 years? So
that's what I meant to say,Daryl. Would I say? Freddie
Washington, yeah. Sorry, it'sEarl Jones, yeah. So,
well, hey, you know, Mick andKeith are left, and then Paul

(01:17:13):
and Ringo are left. I mean,yeah, come on. I see
what you're saying. A superband, yeah,
man, Beatles in the stones,dude, right, yeah. Chuck
Lovell was that keyboard playerthat I played that TV show with,
you know, with Paul Rogers andLeanne rhymes, oh, slash. And he
was, he was the band leader thatday. He's the band leader for

(01:17:35):
the Rolling Stones for like, 30years, yeah, if not longer, hmm,
crazy. I did not know that
small world. He sounded greatman. And they just, you know,
like I said, it seemedincredibly sincere. What they
were up there playing, and theyhad Laney sit in for a tune. Oh,
my God. It happens to be likeone of my all time favorite,
which one there's dead flowersoff sticky fingers. Wow. You

(01:17:58):
know,
I was thinking that
she would do that. Um, think
of the tune right now, but it'salways where a guest female
artist joins them on that song.Oh, interesting.
See, yeah, I'm not sure whichtune
are you talking about. Gimme,shelter. Yes. Okay. I mean that

(01:18:18):
would make sense. That wouldmean
it totally makes sense. Okay,like
they even let Fergie up on stageto do that with them at one
point, you know, thought
they were doing like AC, DC. Oh,
God, what a great band. Yeah.Damn, incredible, incredible,
just like Jim Brewer bit, not a16th note in sight. All just

(01:18:41):
praying to eighth notes. JustThat's
right, yeah.
Awesome. You ever see the bitthat Jim Brewer does like he
talks about parenting. He goes,he says, The only thing that
when you have kids is the music.You got to stop listening to
your music, and you got tolisten to this awful music, and

(01:19:03):
it's like, sky is blue, yet.
He's like, bring buzz, buzz,buzz,
okay, I get it. And then Barney,
he's like, and these guys inthese metal bands would be great
if they just did kids music,man. He's like, they would be
fantastic. You know, Angus Youngand Brian Johnson from AC DC,

(01:19:26):
and like, you know, he startsdoing it. You gotta watch it.
It's probably better. He isgood. Yeah, you had to be there.
You had to be there. Totally,
hey, so 75 shows this year.Yeah, man, it's already
happening. Or is about two.
We leave for Europe in two days.
I love this one. We're catchingeverybody right before they do
the thing,
yeah. So then it kind of, wekind of kick off.

(01:19:48):
And so in Europe, are youplaying like football stadiums?
What
are you guys doing? It's
pretty mixed. We're hitting abunch of different countries on
this little run. We're there forabout three weeks. And I think
the. The shows in the UK. Idon't think that was the correct
thing. Some of the shows arepart of a festival, yes. And so

(01:20:12):
I think rotating through the Cto C thing, yes, yes. So we'll
be rotating through those with awhole lineup. Those would be
some bigger venues, yeah, but Ihave no idea what size this
place we're doing in Paris is,or we're starting in Zurich. I
don't know a lot of Paris toplay country music. It's
awesome. Yeah? We kind of
show up in and observe how bigshe is there, you know? Yeah. So

(01:20:34):
it might be like 1000 cap onenight and a real big one the
next night. It's a lot of fun.I'd love to
go to Paris. Man, that'd beamazing. I don't know if I'm
gonna do it on my dime, youknow, but I mean, if I get there
on somebody else's dime, it'd begreat. And you're definitely
gonna be able to get yournoodles
Right, right? Yeah, noodles ofall types, sure. Man's right,
dude,
I am just happy that I'm happyfor you, and I'm proud of you.

(01:20:59):
Man, well, thanks
very much. And I want to be sureto say this, you know, before
you guys kick me out of here,first off, thanks again for you
guys having me, but richespecially, you know, thanks for
what you do for everybody. Ohman, thanks for what you've done
for me. You were somehow one ofthe first real cats in town that
I met, and I think you'vebasically found me. Everybody I

(01:21:23):
talked to who's coming up,they'll say, oh, you know, I
just talked to rich for thefirst time. Like, yeah, of
course you did. You know, you'rea great connector of people. And
then, yeah, we all, we all oweyou for that. And to your your
crew with Al Dean, the time wespent with you guys. For those
who have never really had areason to interact with the

(01:21:44):
Aldean crew, they're the best,most professional group of
experienced pros you could evermeet. And so we learned quite a
lot spending that time with youguys. Well, thank you. And we
still say in conversation. We'relike, well, Aldine and them,
they did it this way. Maybe weshould look into that. Wow, it
had a lasting effect oneverybody. Well,
I just got chills, because Ireally, I really feel like I

(01:22:07):
like I said, at that time, I wasstill kind of suffering
mentally, and I didn't feel likeI showed up enough for you so
well, like, I said, Man, we werein the van most of that tour.
Anyway, I wasn't physicallythere for you to show up and
talk to. You know, well, man,I'm
just super happy for you, andI'm gonna try to get you this
full sonar deal here. Oh,thanks.
I'm cool on that one, man,there's some other stuff, you

(01:22:29):
know, you could help. Well,
let's talk about those heads. Iwould love a head deal. So do
you? Are you a Remo?
I've always played remote heads.Yes.
Chris Hart, we need to make thishappen. Rich.
I can, I could use a DW deal,yes, yeah, man.
Well, let's see what this littletribute band does for you.
That's the CSI sting. Oh, I lovethat. Oh, very poorly timed.

(01:22:53):
Oh, man. Well, that is so sweet,man. Thank you so much, buddy.
Of course, I'm just like, I justlove people coming in here, and
I just get to publicly saycongratulations, and then, and
then, I'm proud of them, becausethis is not an easy thing to do.
Appreciate it. There's a lot ofluck involved. But like I said,
I got some some really goodadvice, and I got to watch some

(01:23:14):
people who have some real prolevel experience. So
Just promise me that now thatyou have the platform, that you
are going to keep helping thenext generation.
I'm trying. Man, if anybodywants to talk about any of this,
I'm here, yeah. What's the
best way for people to find you?I check Instagram pretty
regularly. Yeah? So since youslide into your DMS,
yeah? Man, at Matt Nolan drumsand whatever anybody's got out

(01:23:36):
there fucking help, I'd be happyto I
love it, man, thank you so muchfor being here, bud. Absolutely.
Have a great, great year, man, Ican't wait. We're, I mean, we
don't start till, till,
uh, May, so that's awesome, man.I hope we see you guys out
there. I hope we get to do itagain and do it right, without
the COVID. Yeah,
yeah. Jim,
yeah. Great kid, right? That'sright. Jason, the friend of his
life, 36 years old, gettingmarried. He's got a great gig.

(01:23:58):
That's right, it's awesome.Sounds
like a lot of fun, yeah, man,thank you. Man, yeah, it was
great to meet you. You too. Hada fun
week. Jim, we knocked out likefour or five episodes this week.
No, we got like 500 of them inthe can. We got them in the can.
We love it. Hey to all thelisteners, we appreciate you,
guys and gals. Be sure tosubscribe, share, rate and
review, and I am imploring youplease give us a nice five star

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