Music, Drums, and Family: Dave and Nick Harrison-Style :: Ep 239 The Rich Redmond Show

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Yeah, but he called me up and he's like, hey, you know

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Edwin's doing Letterman tonight,and then we're at bogarts in
Cincinnati tomorrow, and we needyou there with the show learned
and everything. So I joined thatband, but they were in the
middle of like a 327 gig year
327 gigs, that's like two onSundays, a Monday, a Tuesday. We
would
do 21 straight nights with nobreak.

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This is the rich Redmond show.
You got into education, becausethat's always that's really
confused me. It's like adrooling drummer is teaching.
What great Fourth for God, yougo young. Yeah, they're 910,
years
old. But there's actually,there's some beauty in that,

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because it's before the hormoneskick in,
yes, yeah, once the hormoneskick in, it's hard to teach them
anything, because
I do have experience, like whenI moved here in 97 you know, I
did Park some cars and wait sometables and make some copies, do
data entry, all that kind ofstuff, right, right? But, but I
was like, Oh my God. Like, youknow, with my masters, I can

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make I think it was like $76 aday as a substitute teacher. And
it really wasn't that bad. Imean, yes, you do spend a lot of
your time, like with classroommanagement, but if the teacher
is nice enough to leave somelesson plans, and you know what
the heck you're gonna do? It'snot the worst thing. And I would
always try to do like, K throughfour, yeah, because I could feel

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like I was actually affectingthem somehow. Oh, sure, you
know, whereas after the thepuberty hits, yeah, it's just an
uphill battle. Yeah, they start.They Sass you, yeah, that's
when they're in elementaryschool, they're a little bit
afraid of you, and they reallywant you to like them. Yes. And
by the time they get to middleschool, both of those things are
out the window. So I don't knowwhat the trick is

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there. Yeah, like, in secondgrade, they're like, are you,
Mr. Redman, are you coming outto to the jungle gym for during
the recess? I was like, Yeah,I'll come out with you guys. You
know what I mean? Then your nextthing, I'm climbing the monkey
bars.
It's called the structure, yeah.
Oh yeah, the structure. It'scalled the structure.
I love him. Did you see,

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did you see your favorite? Ohyeah, pretty well. I mean, I
love all well.
I mean, it's like, you know,like Sebastian Maniscalco. I saw
him last year for my birthday.We were like, fifth row in the
round at the Bridgestone. Wewere close enough, I think we
were like, two rows away from,you know, being picked on,
because he picked on everybodyin the first two rows. Some guy

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came and he had, like, you know,like, a purple suit on some
crazy hat and a giant walletchain. And do you wanted to be
picked on, covered with ringsand, yeah, you know. And
Sebastian was like, Let meguess, you're a musician. He
goes, he goes, a producer.
Oh, no, man.
Oh, excuse me, a producer. Theother funny thing I thought was,

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he was like, man, Nashville isthis town is just nothing but
music. I mean, as soon as I landon the plane, I go, and there's
a bar right there. Somebody'ssinging. I go in the bathroom.
Some guy's got a fucking drumset in the bathroom, dude. I'm
trying to pee in peace here,man. But and then the third
funny thing, he said, he waslike, everybody's moving here.
And so all these people from NewYork and California are like,

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look at I'll give you $2 millionget the fuck out of your house
right now.
I'll take the 2 million, butwhere would I buy Exactly,
yeah, I gotta say, Yeah, I madea note to talk about this in one
of our texts. Limitless. ChrisHemsworth, oh, did you guys
watch it yet? No, okay, do tellJim. It's like the second

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season. He's doing these things.It's a show called limitless. Is
it based on the movie Limitless?No, no, no. It's basically all
about human endurance and braindevelopment and everything. And
apparently, if you want tobridge the gap between a fading
brain as we age, they say, dosomething that challenges it and
bridges the right and leftlobes, right and you know it one

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of those exercises could belearning a new instrument. So he
chooses the drums,
and he has how many weeks? He'sgot two months, two months to
learn, weeks to learn how toplay a drum set, but not only to
play it. It's not like he's justgonna do a little recital at the
School of Rock. He's gotta goout there and play the biggest

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hit for
what's the Irish kid with thered hair?
Yeah, and he's got to play it ata stadium in front of 80,000
Yeah? And, of course, it doesn'thurt that he's like, a gorgeous
specimen of a human.
But the funny thing is, is thathe's carrying his drumsticks
around, yeah? Like, not just aparent like a school kid, yeah.

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He's got a stick in each hand,and he's just carrying them
around, like they're, you know,an accessory, yeah, well, it's
great, like, you know KevinKevin Murphy.
No, let's talk about KevinMurphy.
Anyways, Murph place, if he washere, I'd be kissing him. No.

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Kevin Dylan, Matt Dillon'sbrother, oh, yeah, yeah, Andra,
yeah, I got to know each otherpretty well because he was a big
Edwin fan. He came out to a lotof shows because he had to learn
how to play drums enough to beJohn Dinsmore. And my cousin was
always hanging with me. That'skiller. And he was always just,
I go, do it. Do it. You go,shit. I love Vietnam, man. He'd

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do the whole he would do this.
He's, I love the fact that hewas an entourage. He got his
god, yeah, because his brotheris hilarious
and playing a part that he wasborn to play. Yeah. He like his
pedigree for that, but he wastypecast bro.
But what am I? What am I?Chopped liver.

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You always said that, like, youknow, they had, like, a deep
voice.
See him in a while. Is he okay?He's, I don't know. We're not
friends, friends. I just wonderif he retired from Hollywood
because he had a nice littlerun. He had a great run, you
know, yeah.
And, I mean, I actually justwatched the Entourage movie for
the first time, like, a fewweeks ago, and it was
good with Haley, Joel Osment,

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Oh, that's right, yeah. He was,like, you
know, a perv. He was the SuccessKid,
yeah. But grown up better,
all grown up, yeah. So who
is that that we have in thestudio today. We've got the
first father and son drum duo,Dave and Nick Harrison are here
now. Dave is a drummer and aproducer. He's also a school
teacher. His son, Nick is adrummer, a producer and a mix

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engineer. The Harrison familyoriginally hailing from, where's
that? Morgantown, WestMorgantown, West Virginia. Dave
went to West VirginiaUniversity, School of Music, and
he moved to Nashville, calledNashville home since 1990 that
was the gone country era. Likeyou, I mean, you couldn't go
wrong there. Like, I mean, AlanJackson and everybody was like,
it was meteoric. And then youjoined the Edwin McCain band in

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January 1996 over the next 10years, you recorded six albums,
including the monster hit, I'llbe and then along the way, you
get to work with greatluminaries like Maya sharp,
Olivia Newton, John, who needthe blowfish. I want to hear
that story. And then you gotBradford Marsalis. That's like,
well, left field,
I'll clarify that. Yeah, okay,well, that's good.
And then, and then Nick, youknow, Nick went to MTSU. Did you

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study with Lalo? I studied withLalo and Julie Davis. What an
amazing couple. They're amazing.And then you were in the cadet
strum and Bugle Corps. Yeah, Idid one season of cadets. I got
to hear about that because, youknow, I was in the murder in the
marching band for eight years,which gives you pretty good
hands. But it's a differentanimal than the drum corps
lifestyle.
It was incredible. It was it'shard to describe, yeah,

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sometimes.
So it sets you up for success asfar as, like, teamwork,
preparation, oh, yeah, longhours.
I mean, I it kind of for peoplewho really want to do it, they
themselves discover how topractice by themselves. Yes,
like, it's, it is a very quietpractice for the most part,
because it is. There's only afew spots
on those lines, highlycompetitive. Yeah, and it

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doesn't pay no, it's like you'rea Dallas Cowboy cheerleader or
something, you know? Yeah,you're sleeping on gym floors.
Oh, yeah. But now I bet, I betyou've made friends for life
where you're keeping in touchwith these
Oh my gosh. I mean, lifelongfriends. I talked to a lot of
them, at least weekly, if notdaily. Sometimes some of them I
went to school with at MTSU, whoare still my best friends I live

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down the street from now. Yes,I've got to march with. So it's
we're all over the
place. Yeah. So the playing isat the highest and most intense
level, and the marching is atthe highest and like, you're
crab walking and speed walkingor walking behind backwards,
because I was in the marchingband, I was just like, you know,
I always be focusing on themusic. And they're like, you
know, you got 20 steps, and bythis downbeat, you got to get

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over here to the letter J.
I did a season of mystique aswell. And Shane Gwaltney, our
designer, would come in, and hewould just ask you, do you think
you can make that in sevensteps? And you would give it a
try and fail, and he would belike, cool. That's seven steps
you can take.
You can make it happen. Yeah. Sowhat happens, if you like, is
that really thatimprovisational? No, do stuff

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like this. It's very curious,because, I mean, how long does
it take to do a routine likethat? Because you see some of
these marching bands that do,like animations and stuff.
We did that in the Texas Tech.At the Texas Tech, we had a 400
piece marching band, andsometimes we would only have one
week to put a show together. Oh,yeah,
yeah. The world, do you
dance choreography? Pretty muchit's different. I mean, every,

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every group has a differentprocedure with drum corps. For
the most part, there are, thereare plans like they do, create
drill, create choreographybeforehand, because you're
dealing with 154 people at once.Mystique is an indoor program,
so it's 40 kids, and half ofthose are not even in the drum
line. So it was a little biteasier for for people to come in

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and kind of just, you know, havea basic idea of maybe some
shapes, some forms, they look atthe floor, they look at the
kids, and kind of just piecestogether.
Is that the Music City mystique?Yes, Music City Mystique Is that
Tom Hurst, you know, Tom,
Tom found. At infinity down inOrlando. Yeah, Music City
Mystique is one of the oldestindoor groups that I think they

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were founded in 95 somethinglike that. And then where are
the cadets from? Cadets are fromAllentown, Pennsylvania. When I
was marching, they had a coupleof different cities and all over
Pennsylvania. But when I wasthere, it was
Allentown. And how long had theybeen the cadets, when you were
in them, when I marched,
it was their 85th anniversary.Amazing, incredible history.

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Yeah, it was, it was a beautifulthing to, I mean, like, you
know, you see a lot of alumnicome to other drum corps and
support them, and that'sawesome. But to see, like, 100
year old alumni come in andsupport us was, was pretty
100 years old. Oh yeah, they gottheir canes. That's what I'm
saying. Like it was, it was, itwas
a beautiful thing to see. Youknow,

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testament to a culture though,you know, is that they're
willing to come back and paytribute and revisit and
everything that's it meantsomething in their lives. So it
was a
huge, oh yeah. And, you know,it's, I'm sure a lot of people
can talk about their individualexperiences with their drum
corps and how powerful it was,but it just couldn't help, like
I couldn't help but feel thatcadets just was extra special,

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yeah, for their age and their Imean that part of the world has
an intense culture in terms ofloyalty, work ethic, work ethic.
Yeah, exactly. So I don't knowit was, it was, it was amazing.
A lot of locals there that cameto support us, and
and you were a snare drummer,yeah, you're the best of the
best. And it's hard to get onthat thing and stay on that

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thing. And what is it? 1010?People on a certain line?
Yeah, we had eight that season.So usually eight to nine, eight
to nine.
Typical 10. If you're crazy, Idon't like that. I don't like
the odd number. I would go toeight. That's fair. Yeah, eight
is great. 10 Songs are not anodd number.
No. Tom Sawyer, is it
really an odd
bridge? Well, yeah, oh no.

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I'm thinking of like an oddnumber, like 97 beats per minute
as opposed to 96
you know what I mean? I workedwith some producers that would
not cut and cut at odd
times gonna be 96.9
Yeah, I had no idea thathappened. Yeah,
that's great. It's not I go,Well, we're clocked in at 87 it
feels really good. Make it 88for no other reason other than

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odd. Is it kind of like asuperstition in a way? Or Yes,
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And there's certain like, well,there's crazy things. Remember,
like
Ralph Murphy, you know, he wasone of these guys. I think he
was at like, bmi or ascap, orone of the big performance
organizations for many, manyyears. And he mentored so many
up and coming singersongwriters. And he would tell

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I marched for four years atTexas Tech University, and we

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had this organization calledzeta, Iota, tau zit, and that
was the drum line. And I thinkthey had their huge like 100
year anniversary or somethinglike last Saturday. But of
course, I had a family vacationplanned in Long Island, New
York. So are they, like, are youcoming? I was like, No, I can't
come. But that I sent someheads, like some signed heads
and stuff to like to auction, tolike to help the program and

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stuff. But that, you know, I'mglad for that experience,
because it gives you chops. Itgives you hands that are always
there, but not the kind of handsyou guys got. I mean, it's some
dense stuff
they I mean, they. Was 15 hoursa day sometimes, of just
training
on those Formica countertop,Remo, right?
Yeah, yeah, we play on thoseKevlar heads.

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I mean, all the balance, noproblems, no problems
with the thing is they, man,they teach you, they teach you
how to protect yourself. Youknow, that was, that was
something that I really tookaway to, you know, bring into my
drum set world is, how do I playand continue to play and feel
good and not, you know, youknow, tense up, not, you know. I

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know a lot of guys who did thedrum corps stuff are a little
older than me, who are dealingwith, you know, tendinitis
problems, or, you know, earlyon, arthritis,
yeah, little tennis elbow rightnow.
Not to mention that, you know,marching sticks are like coat
hanger dowels. I mean, they'reso thick together. You know,
baseball, yeah, it's, I justdon't get it,

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Dave, did you ever play with theDennis DeLucia model? It was,
like a so thick, and that's whatI would use to, like, practice
and warm up. And then when youget on the kit, you get
something a little lighter, andyou're like, I'm flying with
these things.
You know, when I was in college,we used a, I think it was a, I
think it was a pro Mark stick,but it didn't have a bead on it
at all. It just tapered
and then stopped. It was aweapon.

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It was a baton,
you know, I mean, I was alwaysthe worst guy on the snare line.
I didn't have the hands thateven, even the business majors
had,
but you had the groove that madehis songs, buddy. But the other
thing I noticed about you, Nick,is I was like, I was like, on
your Instagram, and I was like,Oh, my God, this guy's got such
a great everything happening forbecause in my experience, and I

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know this is not a hard and fastrule, but a lot of the guys that
can play super, super dense,intense stuff, as as snare
drummers at the highest level,you get them on the kit, and
they can't always go, boom,whack, boom, boom, whack, and
make it feel good. And you dowell, you have the discipline
not to do all the stuff
well. I mean, it's also, it'sjust a taste thing too. It's

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like, I know a lot of snaredrummers, you know, from cadets
who were great jazz guys. Iloved what they were doing. I
know guys who were great gospeldudes. And, you know, I just
kind of like, you know, becausemy dad, I grew up listening to
records and albums and listeningto, you know, studio players.
What was the first album heturned you on? Was like, hey,
hey, kid. I

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feel like my earliest, earliestmemories are probably the
greatest hits, Rufus record, Oh,wow. Throw in some Isley
Brothers, nice, I mean stufflike that. Yeah, side, say
again, lakeside, yeah. You know,a lot of like, Motown R B, those
are there you go. And, ofcourse, oh yeah, average white

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band, can you know? Oh, nice.Never not
talk about them.
I had all my stuff was in GooglePlay and but my I only had two
songs in iTunes, and it was pickup the pieces and person to
person by the average whiteband, yes, and my van would just

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automatically go to Apple, youknow, iTunes. And I never, ever
turned it off. Just same songs,two songs over those two songs,
and then I put in whatever Iwanted to hear. Yeah, I never
turned it off. So I probablylistened to pick up the pieces
in person to person every dayfor six
years. I'll get on, I'll get ona kick like that where, like,
I'll find, like, when Lucindaput out car wheels on a gravel

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road 1999 I was just like, overand over and over and so
good people go like, Have youheard this record? I'll listen
to that when I'm done. Listeningto the first average white band
record. But so far, yeah, I'mnot done still in
so what was your did you comefrom a musical
family? Yeah. But my parentswere classical musicians. My mom
was a music major. They met inmusic school, yeah? My dad, who

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is 93 and just stopped playingthe cello, essentially, when he
had an accident about a year, alittle over a year 93 that's
wonderful, yeah. And so he wastaking cello lessons from Jenny
Young, who was Reggie Young'swife, and I would drive him down
every Saturday for his cellolesson. He have an hour long
cello lesson. I would ride mybike on the Natchez Trace and

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come back and take him home, buthe studied cello. So they were
very much a very musical family,you know, nice. And then I just
got the bug, and, you know,started on piano, and then a
year of trombone, and
I was pretty good on thetrombone for my music education
degree.
You know the difference betweena dead skunk in the road and a
dead trombone player in theroad? No, you're gonna tell us,

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though, the skunk might havebeen on his way to a gig.
Jim, yes, not bad timing.
I wanted to and I had reallygood pitch. So the band director
was heartbroken, because he had20 kids, wanted to play drums,
yeah, and I had this, you know,really good sense of pitch,
which came in handy when I wasyour background vocal guy. Oh,

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yeah, I did all the backgroundbackgrounds with Edwin.
That makes you really, muchharder to get rid of. Yeah. Oh
yeah, when you got that in aband marketable, yeah?
But now, I mean, it's funny nowwhen people hire me to do
something and they're like, ohyeah, we want you to sing too.
And I'm usually like, no, yeah,just because singing behind

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Edwin was was a dream come true,is easy to do. I have a high
voice. I can hit really highnotes, so I could do those
singing above, but I can't dooohs and ahs because
I'm yeah,
I'm moving Yeah, and I don'tlike it. So I just do what I can
and what I can. If it comes veryeasily to me, I can do it very

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well. If I have to work on it,it's a disaster. You can ask
tripper. Tripper had me in theMIPS for a while doing
background vocals andpercussion. Trip writer, yeah?
And he wrote out these parts.And I'm like, Dude, you think
you're talking to a backgroundvocalist, yeah, not just saying
it hard and loud behind Edwin.You know, that's not necessarily

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what you're looking for.
Always respected it so much. Youknow, we had Stan Lynch on, I
mean, so he's up there. You getthe Phil Collins's of the world,
like Stuart Copeland would jumpon, jump up on some of that
stuff. Yeah, levant Levon is,oh, come on, that I don't
know how Carter sang and likethat employed the way he did.
That's, that's
special, yeah? But no, it'sreally funny, because I never,

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ever struggled with it. Nomatter what I was doing on the
kid, I always found it like itjust came out easily. The fifth
limb, I was always singing,yeah. And, you know, when I grew
up playing along with NigelOlsen on Elton John records, I
was always singing, playing, andso it was just second
nature. Isn't that a dude toaspire to? I mean, he's right
there in the great in thepantheon for me. Of like, you
know, the first thing that Iever got a copy of on with on

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eight track was Elton John'sGreatest Hits, Volume One, so
you had honky cat, you hadDaniel, you had Saturday nights,
all right for fighting,
wow, oh yeah, no. Like, thefirst thing I ever played, like,
dropped a needle on the on therecord and played along with,
with my kit, was goodbye. Elviwrote, yeah. I learned that
whole album. And then about 15years ago, me and Mike Webb put

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together a band with Tony obradaand, like, some serious cats and
did, like the long players typething. That's killer, because we
just wanted to do is Tony stillplaying with Chicago, yeah. How
do you believe different? You'veheard that. How he got that gig.
That's the crazy
story. Last minute be
available. He was in line atwill call to pick up tickets.
Tell Jim the story.

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He went to see Chicago and wasand they had left tickets where
he knew people because he workedwith Satara before, or whatever.
Yeah, and this is the way Iheard this, right? I haven't, I
can't verify it's totalaccuracy, but he had gone to see
them that night. Was standing inline at will call to get his
tickets, and got a phone calland said, We need you on stage
tonight now. Oh, wow. And so hehad to go and play the other
guy's rig, and, yeah, and stillhas the gig.

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So I know I'd be like, Hey, letme pee first, okay,
and chart out the entire show.
But I think he knew the book,because, yeah, he'd been kind of
working on the book. I thinkthere had been a little bit of
talk talk, you know, but yeah,just, and I was kind of the same
way with Edwin, like they calledme and said, We need you in

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Cincinnati tomorrow night withthe show. Learned, come on. Is
how you got the gig. That's howI got the gig. Damn. Yeah, I
just showed up.
Well, just while we're on thesubject of Chicago, we just got
to do a quick head bow for Wallyand Daniel de los Reyes, his
dad, Wally senior, just passed,and he had, how old was he? One

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hell of a life. 92 years old,and he still was playing and
passionate
for him. Yeah, you know, gettingback to the singing and playing.
Did you know I actually sang andplay a song when in high school,
my senior year, nice talent showthat's for you. Started
overthinking, thanks. No, I hadto overthink this. It was a song
that was easy to sing and play,sad but true, by Metallica, I

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don't know that, sad but true,right? So, you know, the only,
the only time we had like 16thnotes was, you know, I'm the,
I'm the one who takes you therewhenever the, you know, yes, I
was able to do it.
Nice, Jim, I still do it. Iplayed a band called The Get
Down boys, and it's like, VictorKraus is the bass player and the

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Henry brothers. And it's like,serious musicians, yeah, but
it's live band karaoke.
And so people, there's a songbook, people can come up and
play whatever. They tell
us what song to learn. Oh, so,like, we did a gig where we did,
like, a Lizzo song, and thenspirit of radio, and then, you
know, it's like, all over theplace. So you have to, you learn
it before that. We learn thembefore the gig, before the gig,

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and then then these people comeup, yeah, the singers are not
allowed to come to rehearsal.It's already four hours.
Actually should be people out ofthe audience that pay insane
money to come up play thosesongs.
I think that's what it is,because what the gigs we
normally play are PTOfundraisers for schools, yeah,
and they started because theirkids went to these schools, PTO,

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PTO, yeah, so, but they're butthey have them at like third and
Lindsley and exit in and allthis stuff. So they've actually
been together. There for 15years. I joined him about three
and a half years ago, yeah. Andso I actually get to sing lead
Yeah, which, you know, I knowwhere I am in the lead singer
Pantheon, but it's fun and andbecause it's karaoke, basically

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I get to sing Rick James if Iwant. So it doesn't make any
sense for me to do that in anyother Yeah. So we actually have
our 15th anniversary show comingup at the basement on September
19.
It sounds like a Friday to me.It is a Friday. Of course, I've
gone.
So I think we started sixo'clock. We're done at eight. I

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was
the same saying Nick is like,Hey, do you want to go out and
do the bus? Because you're stillyou're so busy in town, doing
the mixing and all that, You'renever home on a Friday. You're
just never, like, even my Legoswith my hairdresser today, and
he was like, you know, I don'twork on Mondays, Mondays or
Tuesdays, so you got to catch meon, like, actually, Thursday.
It's like, Dude, I will nevercatch you on a Thursday. But so
he squeezes me in at 8am onWednesday mornings,

(26:00):
but uh, calling the dentist fromthe RIP, and I broke a tooth,
and I'm gonna be in town for oneday. Could you please fix it?
I know just people in Nashvilleunderstand I might look like,
you know, I'll call my doctor.I'm like, look at, you know, I'm
an entertainer. I really need toget please. Can you get me in?
And they're like, oh, right, youknow?
Well, when I first joined Edwin,they were in they I kind of

(26:21):
joined him in the middle of atour. I did a sub thing for two
weeks, and then, like a thirdnight, everyone comes up, like,
is someone told me, you singlike a bird. I was like, I can
sing. Yeah. So I started doingbackgrounds, and it's we got
along great. Who did youreplace? A guy named Todd Hall.
TJ Hall is his original drummer,and TJ was also from West
Virginia and but you know,Edwin's saxophone player was the

(26:44):
best man at my wedding, Craigshields. We've been best friends
since I was in junior high, andhe was in high school, nice. And
I used to go watch him and go,that's the coolest guy I've ever
seen. He's still the coolest guyI've ever known. Yeah, but he
called me up and he's like, hey,you know Edwin's doing Letterman
tonight, and then we're atbogarts in Cincinnati tomorrow,
and we need you there with theshow learned and everything. So
I joined that band, but theywere in the middle of, like a

(27:06):
327 gig year
327 gigs. That's like two onSundays, a Monday, a Tuesday.
We would do 21 straight nightswith no break. And that's hard
on his voice. There were threehour shows, and he's out there,
you know, just yeah, there'stitanium and leather. Three hour
shows. No breaks, no no. Well,we got a break. Yeah? Evan would

(27:28):
stay out and do, like, acousticseal songs and stuff.
Wow. He sang, like, full bore,because in the early days it was
very collegey. You're on thecircuit, right?
Yeah. And clubs, yeah. Exit in,type clubs, everywhere
we went, yeah. So he played,like, very like, non college
towns, like Boston, you know, I
wouldn't worry about it.
What vocal part did you have?The high part?

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Um, well, if it's in the studio,it's Edwin, yeah, because that's
like, so he's screwing the screwlike this. So that's all him.
That's all him. That's allEdwin, yeah, yeah. Because, I
mean, he just, he can, he canhit anything he wants. Yeah? You
know, his voice is better nowthan it was then, but,
but in live situations,situations, it was always me,
you had to do the high part,

(28:09):
yeah? Wow, yeah, yeah. Now, didyou leave to make the high part?
But I do
it really badly. I
made babies, and then that kindof caused me to leave, yeah,
because I didn't want to be I'dalready missed a lot of like, he
was still in the NICU. He cameearly, and I had to rush home
for his birth, and then he wasstill in the NICU, and I had to
get back. Nick was in the NICU,yeah, that's why we named

(28:30):
him Nick man. You were on thatgym
there's there's trombone.
And then I had his youngerbrothers. I have twin boys, and
I was out on the road, and, youknow, it just seemed like it was
the right time to do somethingelse. And I had fallen into
subbing as a lark. I didn't needit. I just did it because it was

(28:54):
fun, and I started gettingreally interested in it.
Well, some of some of thesenames you have in there, I know
that our friend Nick Buda playedhe played he played with Cindy
Thompson, he played with RachelProctor, he played with Carolyn
Don Johnson. So you guysprobably threw some
gigs back and forth. Yeah, wedid. And it's so funny that when
the twins were born, they alsowere very premature, and so they
came, they were supposed to beat the end of February, and they

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came on Christmas Eve. Oh, wow.And I had a standing date at the
House of Blues in Orlando theday after Christmas that we had
done, like, six years in a rowor something like that. And I
knew I couldn't go. I just Icouldn't go, yeah, so I called
Nick beard, and I was like, andwould you please go sub this gig
for me? So he went. He did theweek all the way through New
Year's for me. And I was sograteful. And he came back, and
he actually scrubbed in and wentin and held the babies with me.

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And, oh, these guys are like,tight. I love Nick. Yeah, Nick,
haven't seen a while. He was anearly he was probably a guest
post covid, maybe like 21 Yeah.
Listen to that one, yeah. But itwas funny, because when I went
back to work with Edwin, youknow, I saw it, when I said,
Man, how about boy do he goes.That guy showed up looking for

(29:56):
work. I was like, Yeah, you canplay.
That guy showed up. Looking forwork. That's amazing.
Well, I just did a gig with thisget down band. I accidentally, I
do a lot of bike packing yourbike.
You talking about a motorcycle,no bicycle because you because
you're screaming to hurtyourself if
you guys rode my bike all theway across the state of Missouri

(30:17):
the first week of July thisyear, 1821,
2121 two by 11,
it's right, seven and three,travel bike, um,
so we just you got a backpackfull of, like, Nutritional Bars
and stuff.
Lots of Nutritional Bars,little, little kitchen. Set up.
You gotta have your tent. Yeah,you know your, uh, everything
you need. This is your zen placethat you do for your spirit.

(30:38):
Best. This guy, like dropped,drove me from St Charles to this
I can't remember the name of itnow, Clinton. Clinton, Missouri,
nothing, little town. Clinton,Misery. Oh, you have no idea it
was pouring rain the entire timeout there. He drops me off. It's
pouring rain, and he leaves. Andmy car is now 245 miles away,

(31:00):
and here's this bicycle, and Igotta ride the bike back to my
car. Oh, so it's not even yourbike. No, it's my bicycle. Okay
with me, but I have to pay a guyto take me so that I can come
back to my car. And it
was west to east, east to westto
east. Gotcha so and it justpoured rain the first two days,
and I was and I was by myself. Iwas supposed to do it with a
friend of mine, but he had tocancel last minute, so it was

(31:22):
just
me. How was was that about aweek,
six days, six days of
riding. It's pretty cool, man.So,
so and it poured rain the firsttwo days, and it's crushed
gravel, so it's almost liketrying to ride a bike on the
beach. Oh yeah. And I wasmiserable. I was so miserable, I
almost called him and said, comepick me up. Come pick me up. I

(31:43):
know it's 11 hours, but please,come get me again. I did it, but
I had accidentally booked thisbike trip over an existing gig
that I had with the Get downboys. So I sent him to go play
the gig. And so after the gig, Icontacted Dave, the leader of
the band. And I said, How'd theboy do? And he said he was

(32:04):
menacingly on point, amazing. Soit's
in your blood, man, it's in yourDNA. It was fun. Now your
younger brothers, do they play?Yeah, Jack is a saxoy player. Oh
my god.
Both of them have a very prettynatural ability. And just, I
think, feel of music like theway they talk about what they
listen to already is reallyawesome, amazing. But Jack's a

(32:27):
writer and a saxophonist, andhe's going to school for
composition at MTSU. He's takinga bunch of classes right now
that I'm giving him some detailson. You know, hey, do this with
this professor. Don't miss thisclass. Don't miss the midterm.
Can probably this class a littlebit. You know, that's been
pretty fun. Yeah, I've enjoyed
that. That's amazing. I'm like,I have three boys, and two of

(32:48):
them went into music, so I'mlike, Don Corleone at the end of
God, I never wanted this foryou.
Michael, it's tough, but you'relike, crushing it, man. So yeah,
I'm trying real hard, right?Yeah? A nice home set up, yeah?
And then when did the, you know,I mean, obviously the playing is
in your DNA. And I heard, youknow, your Instagram, you have a
funny Instagram page name, it'smelody or harmony. What is it?

(33:12):
Harmony and me with littleunderscores in between,
yeah, harmony, underscore andunderscore me, two E's,
yeah, was harmony a girlfriend
or something? No, that is thelast song on goodbye, yellow
brick road. Oh, my God. Okay.It's just like, I'm so moved by
and I just made it my Instagram.I love that one
day that's a little bit harderfor people to follow you.

(33:34):
I've been told that I've I'vebeen curious whether or not I
should change it, but I like
it. I love that. But I was gonnasay your playing is on point,
that sounds are on point. Whendid you discover that you had a
knack for the mixing thing?Because that's the thing, you
know,
and I so I changed majors. I wasdoing music ed, so I was
studying percussion with uh Laloand Julie Davila. And as much as

(33:57):
I enjoyed it, because I reallydid enjoy it, it just I didn't
feel like I was gaining theskills I wanted. Yeah, so after
X amount of time of, you know,trying to decide what I want to
do, I decided to leave school.And that's right, I was able to
take just a little basic classon Pro Tools at school. And so I

(34:19):
was asking Jay took all the timequestions, how do I do this? How
do I do this? And one day, hejust invited me. He was like,
you want to, you want to comecheck out Penn tavern. I got
some guys I want to introduceyou to. And so he brought me in,
and which that kind of ended upturning into, like an unofficial
internship. And I mean, I didthat for almost two years,
probably just going in. Youknow, with the way Jay works,

(34:41):
it's incredible. He, he's anincredible producer. So great,
great visions. And he, what's
the biggest act that heproduces? Remind me, okay, um,
didn't he play with, like, like,the wild feathers or something,
or what it was with, uhAmericana acts,
steel wood. Yeah, he was withthe steel. Woods. Does he live
here in Nashville? Jay. He justmoved to Muscle Shoals.

(35:04):
Beautiful spot. Muscle Shoals. Ithink I met
him, like 12 years ago orsomething, and then we got
pulled in different directions.
And I never saw, yeah, he'sworking over at noble steed now,
doing amazing records. But yeah,I just got to see him do his
thing. He drummed on everythinghe produced. He mixed everything
he was producing. And was justreally able to, like, lay his
hands on the music in a reallycool, really cool way. And that

(35:26):
I was just inspired by that,yeah, I started, you know,
buying microphones, buying gear,learning how to record. He told
me the best piece of advice wasto put a mono overhead and a
mono kick on the drum set andtry to make that sound good.
Learn to balance your limbs,yeah, yeah, exactly, you know,
and you're on the soundbetter.com. I looked you up
there. You got all your productsand services up there. Yeah, you

(35:49):
want this? It's gonna cost this.You want this? I scour the
internet. Yeah, there's, there'sa, there's a lot of David
Harrison's in music. Is that,right? Yeah, there's like,
guitar players and composers,
and I got a call one day fromJeff Coffin. He goes this Dave
Harrison, I said, Yeah, I guess,Hey, man, I have a friend of
mine who just got a new Mac thathe's setting up in his studio,

(36:12):
and I heard that you were theguy to call. I was like, no, if
you give me an hour in themanual, I might be able to
figure out how to plug the powercord, yeah, but I don't know
anything. If you're like, Hey,Jeff, Let's jam it turned out
there was another engineer intown named David Harris. Wow.
So, yeah, that's
crazy. Well, I found you onInstagram. Oh, well, that makes

(36:33):
me and I just followed you, andI found you Dave as well.
Yeah, no. Need to follow me. Ijust post stupid stuff all the
time. Product,
I love the fact that you posted50 years ago. I was in a theater
to see
jaws. I went and saw Josh.

(36:55):
It was unbelievable, dude. I sawit last night. It's the
greatest.
Wait a minute. What you like? Iwas free last night, damn it.
Jaws, in the
future, you went to lunch today,didn't you didn't invite me.
So, yeah, I went to lunch today.Yeah,
Kelly, Kelly burrito and myselfat 10am I
got a breakfast burrito whenthey was knocking on the door at
958 Why aren't you guys open?Comes in. He goes, dude, there's

(37:18):
10am give him a break. Man.Chill. Yeah, they haven't even
put
out the hot sauces. Call yourfriend Jim and see if he wants
to
join you. Oh, no, okay, Jim.
Jim's a little butt hurts a
little bit. Okay. No, I wouldhave thought. I didn't think you
were in town last
night. That's okay, man. Iwatched, you know, all these
movies that you see on thestreaming services that are like
1999 and then two weeks later,it's 1199 it comes down to 499

(37:41):
and then eventually it works itsway onto Amazon and prime for
free. And so it was the latest
Final Destination bloodlines.
So I gotta say, I did actuallybring my teammate, and he saw
the movie for the first time. Nokid, 27 years old, and he's a
cinemaphile. He's like, a video,cinema junkie, and

(38:04):
then he's never seen Josh, thegreatest movie ever made for the
first time, right? How much
fun was that? Was awesome forsome for someone like me, yeah,
I've been watching it since I'mprobably five. Yeah, I've seen
it 100 times. I've probably
seen it on the on this, yeah,big screen. Since I was 13,
did any of the jump scares getyou? Yes, me too.

(38:26):
Like I knew for a fact alreadythat Hooper was a spoiler alert,
yeah, Ben Gardner's boat movie,Ben Gardner's boat that was a
great jump scare, but I knewthat Hooper was gonna survive,
yeah, and but when the shark wascoming into the cage. That was
terrible. You think he's gonnaget killed again.
It's also a little bit taintedby the fact that I used to be, I

(38:49):
don't read as much anymore, butI used to be this horrible
bookworm. When I was young. Iread Josh before the read
so much different. And Hoopergot killed by the shark. Cooper
was a freaking
douche, Yeah, cuz he was bangingBrody's way. Yeah, Brody shot
Hooper in the neck while theshark was eating him.
How about one of the greatestscenes is, the way it's shot is,
is the dudo, who is the policecaptain. He's afraid of water,

(39:12):
which is our thing. Yeah, he'sgood. Thing is going down, and
he's right about to get in. Theshark is coming down. I'm done.
I'm done.
It's quite possibly the mostperfectly made movie, yeah,
ever, yeah.
And the great thing about it isit's perfectly made because the
shark didn't work,
and it exactly why, because thatSpielberg had to rely on

(39:35):
Hitchcock esque Yes, scaretactic he couldn't release
reveal the beast.
Studio was worried and everybodywas sweating bullets, terrible.
Yeah, right, yeah, funny. Haveyou seen that the offer on HBO?
Yeah, the making of TheGodfather not yet list. Yeah,
that like, like, the studio was,like, panicking because this was

(39:55):
going to be a disaster. And nowwe're talking about the two
greatest movies. Ever Made.
Do you have a Have you seenthese films? Yeah, okay. Now, do
you have a like for yourgeneration? Is there a film that
resonates with you that's like,Oh, I gotta watch it. Like, for
me, it's like, alien. I canwatch it over and over and over,
and if I see it, I just clear myschedule. I'm like, Oh, well,
fuck. There goes to Yeah.

(40:17):
I mean, I grew up on a lot ofstuff that. I mean, I'm sure
y'all grew up with, like, StarWars was the OGs. It was as
original one, okay. I mean,Return of the Jedi, like, at
least my second favorite
movie, okay, yes, except for the
Ewoks, yeah. You know, they
had to make it cute. I like hima little bit.
Suck it. He was rude. Shrek isprobably that movie for me,
though. Shrek is Shrek is one.

(40:39):
It is good. That's when theymade like because you were, you
were born in the millennium,9999 so basically, you remember
having kids around that time.They made movies that we could
enjoy.
Oh no, if I make a list of mytop 10 favorite movies without
genre being, you know, Nemo isthat's good closer to the top
than to the bottom. Like I lovethat

(41:00):
movie, psychedelic trip, wherethe father actually loses his
son. He's dealing with thisdrama, yeah? And plus
Ellen DeGeneres, of course.
No, it's, I'll sit and watch, wewatch those. I took him to the
theater to see Nemo, and thenwhen it came out, I bought four
copies. I wanted, one for hishouse, one for my house, and two
for the bus.
It was a run where they madegreat movies for, you know, all,

(41:23):
like, parents could enjoy thembecause they were like little
adult jokes.
Yeah, now, and I'm like, thatwas not little though, right
my face. Oh yeah, TheIncredibles.
Oh Madagascar too, with AlecBaldwin,
dude. It's loaded I left themmoving. The funny
thing is that you had my kid. Wetook my kids to see, I think I

(41:44):
was at my camis first movie,Madagascar too. Yeah, that's
monsters versus aliens. Yep,great movie.
Oh yeah. How about the MonstersInc, with my one eye, Billy
Crystal, whoa. Billy Crystal, Iwould say, like, probably
perhaps the greatest host of theAcademy Awards. Oh, by far,
yeah. I mean, Jimmy Kimmel did agood does a good job

(42:06):
clean. Letterman was the worstagain, but, and
who did a fantastic job wasConan O'Brien.
Well, Conan's just, yeah, I'venever watched one minute of any
show Conan has ever had, but Iam addicted to him in YouTube
clips. I will watch ConanYouTube clips all day long. I
like his podcast. I think soself deprecating, but I've never

(42:28):
seen because I don't reallywatch that kind of TV, like I'm
I was born, you know? I had tosit through regular TV, like,
knowing when things were on,yeah, and then this YouTube
streaming thing is just, that'sjust what the doctor ordered for
me. Yeah, on demand. I don'tlike commercials. I don't like,
you know, yeah,
anytime, yeah. Now, are youstill you are a Yamaha drum guy.

(42:51):
Are you still Yamaha drunk?Well, don't
tell anybody. He switched. Iteach math and science to fourth
graders. No, I'm still a Yamahaguy. But to be honest with you,
I have a Ludwig kit that Ibought. I bought it like
somebody bought it for me, andit's just so easy to throw in
the car and go and nowadays,like most venues, have a house

(43:13):
kit, yeah,
but I saw that you have twoYamaha kits. And I was like,
maybe they're passed down frombecause 119's 82 recording
customers.
That's that's his great kid, um,but he, when I graduated high
school, he got me a Yamaha LiveOak, when that one of the rocks,
one of the original ones, beforethey took him off the market,
and, you know, revamped thembecause they got so popular, and

(43:33):
then put them out for applejuice. More. I just
didn't know if you can call it,you know, call the Japanese and
be like, hello. Can I have his
card behind? Dave, who I'llwhat.
So now, well, that is, that's aperfect transition. I was gonna
say. Now, how did you get intoteaching math and science to
fourth graders? And did you goback to school to get your

(43:54):
your education degree? Yes, Ihad an undergrad in applied
music studies, which you knowthat and five bucks will get you
a cup of coffee. So I decided Iwanted to do it. I kind of, I
kind of fell into it my mywife's a teacher, and she
suggested that I try subbing.And so I started subbing, and I
really liked it. And I foundmyself like on the road with
Edwin, thinking about studentsback at the school and and then

(44:18):
I started, I wonder whatJohnny's doing today. Yeah, and
I started learning about theschool to prison pipeline, and I
just looked at this as like, Ithink this is something I can
do, and there's a lot of peoplethat do jobs I can't do for the
betterment of people, and thisis what I can do, right? And I
kind of saw the writing on thewall with what life was going to

(44:39):
be if I didn't do somethingdifferent, and I'm not sure I
wanted it, and I just kind oflike I got one life, and I have
multiple interests, so I wantedto go do this other thing, plus
it gave me insurance. I mean,Mr. Asthma over here really
needed me to have goodinsurance. Get your inhaler. Oh,
he was he gave us, He gave ussome jump scares, that's for
sure. But. And so I just Yeah,so I went to Tribeca Nazarene

(45:03):
University, got my master'sdegree in education, elementary
K through six. Nice. And then Iwent to David Lipscomb and got
el classes and got el certifiedso students, and I mean, to this
day, I really enjoyed and then,I mean, there's a lot of can
you, can you speak freely onthis box? Oh, there's a lot of

(45:25):
bullshit that you have to dealwith when you're a teacher. Is a
lot of stuff that's just very,very difficult. But it doesn't
matter, because at quarter toeight every day, the kids come
in, and I'm just so happy to seethem. You know, I make fun of
their names, I sing songs aboutthem.
Now, how many years is thatyou've been doing this. That's
my 15th year. Okay, so in thatamount of time, you've seen kids

(45:45):
graduate the system, go on tocollege, yeah, I've seen some of
that, and some of the otherdirection, and becoming, well,
and become adults tax paying,you know, citizens, yeah, and
that's got to be, you know, I'mkind of in the same lane, in the
sense that I don't have a jobconnected to a specific
institution, but I do a lot ofmentoring, sure, because I never

(46:06):
had kids, and, you know, I'mworking on probably two decades
now of seeing people go on tomoving to a great Music City, or
getting into college or becomingpart of the industry, and I'm
like, Man, this is sosatisfying.
Yeah, it's very satisfying,yeah. And just, you know, my, my
goal is to make this one year oftheir life where they can grow
and they can enjoy themselves,and then the rest, you pass it

(46:30):
off to someone else, andhopefully some kind hands will
hit that student
as well. Yeah, for me, it waslike the most my goal is to
always be the most memorableteacher can I, because I had Mr.
White House in sixth grade, andhe was a, he was a British chap
and, and he was just reallypushed us. And, you know, we had
a school newspaper, and heencouraged us to read, like,

(46:50):
insanely advanced literature,like, remember that book?
There's this book called TheClan of the Cave bear. It was
that thick. I read that sucker.He wanted us to read, you know,
all the, you know, TheCanterbury Tales and the
advanced reading summer list.And I did it in the sixth grade.
Yeah, you know. And he did youdo it
because Daryl Hannah was in themovie,

(47:11):
I know you, oh, yes, that's backwhen you had, you had, you hit
pause, but it was grainy, andnowadays you can just
there it is.
But you know, a lot of it toois, you know, like I said, like,
when Nick was born, I had toleave, and I wanted to come home
and and be a dad, be a dad, youknow, and, and I wanted to be a

(47:35):
dad to his brothers. The threeof them are the three amigos
there. Yeah, they sit aroundtalking about anime, and do
you have any like like that is,I want to say appreciation. Are
you aware of that sacrifice? Imean, do you have any like depth
and weight of measure of thesacrifice he made?
I think about it a lot. I thinksacrifice is a is a harsher term

(47:57):
that I would probably thinkabout it. I would, you know, I
think it was just the rightdecision, even though I, you
know, I benefited from it. I dothink, like, that is what,
that's what I would want to doif I was put in that position.
That is, that is me saying,like, okay, that that's the job.
That is what you have to do.
It's, it was just a decision. Ijust made a decision, like

(48:17):
something
else, like it was out of yoursystem,
a little bit out of my system.I'd done everything. I realized
that, you know, success wasreally just a picture of, like a
guy holding a picture ofsuccess. It wasn't necessarily
the real thing, like therewasn't that much behind it.
Because I know that, because, tothis day, I can't go to Publix
and buy olive oil withouthearing myself playing drums.

(48:41):
Yeah, yes, I'm not cool. I'm notsitting in a Scrooge McDuck
vault rolling around gold coins,you know? So it wasn't what I in
those in those terms, it wasn'twhat I thought it was now, in
terms of having experiences,adventures, and being able to
play great music that I wasreally proud of, it was more,
yes, I got to play with thepremier singer songwriter and

(49:03):
acoustic guitar player of hisgeneration. Yeah, he's one of
the best musicians I've everknown and ever played with.
Wonderful people are like, didyou use a click? I was like, No,
I had Edwin. I didn't. He wasthe click. Yeah, that dude's
guitar is guitar. He's the bestdrummer that's ever
been. Well, that always worksreally good on the on the six
eight feel, because six eight isbetter without a click. It just
is. Yeah, those extra two beats,those extra pesky two beats when

(49:26):
we
when we cut out b the producer,Matt srlytic, we were sitting
around for an hour while he wasprogramming the click to get a
little bit faster toward thebridge and then come back down
into the tempo map. Yeah, it'stempo mapping, and I'm just
sitting there going, let's justdo it old school. Why are you
doing that? Well, we want tofeel more real, and

(49:48):
let's just play it real. Yeah,
I was gonna do that anyway.Yeah, at my time, I felt really
confident with my time. Ithought my time was really good.
It was like, I don't have chops,I don't. Have independence, like
a lot of people have, but I cankeep time, yeah, all day long.
Now, when did you get married?What year? Oh, which one, I
guess the one that brought youeverything here, Gigi

(50:10):
and I married. I think it was1985 nice so. And we got
engaged, we dated for a week,and then we got engaged, and
then I drove to New Hampshire.And I moved to New Hampshire
because I was studying with GaryChaffee in Boston. And after a
summer of that, you know,comments like, well, you don't

(50:32):
really seem to have anytechnique problems, but it's
because you don't have anytechnique that one that would
hit home. But I kind ofrealized, like, I love a lot of
things, and one of the things Idon't necessarily love is
sitting at a drum set for 12hours a day. I'm not Vinny Cal
you. I appreciate him. You wantto play with songs, songs, and I

(50:53):
want to go fishing, yes?
Just whatever. Yeah. You know,really good
fisherman. Yeah. Now it's mydad's a lot easier to look like
a fisherman.
You gotta have the gear. Mybrother is like a, like a, like
a fly Fisher, fly fish.
Oh, yeah, I haven't gotten it asRSR, the river.
He makes his own, you know. And,you know. And then he said, he

(51:14):
said, I want to take you fishingone time rich. And I was like,
do I have to wear those giganticboots that go up to your Yeah?
He just cracks up to this day.He he quotes and be like, do I
have to wear those ridiculousboots?
Waiters, yeah, into thebicycling thing. So I do have to
wear the ridiculous shorts. Youhave to, because otherwise

(51:35):
you Chief doing distances likethat. Yeah? And I only asked
because I've been really gettinginto biking myself. Oh, right
on. And, you know, I actuallywant, at my age being so old, I
want to get back. I want to getmore into, like, the E biking,
but not because of the lazinessaspect of it. I just want to
enjoy it, yeah, and build up mystamina.
Yeah, sure, they're great. Imean, I'm out there on the

(51:57):
Natchez Trace, and guys on Ebikes are just right past me.
And I don't, you know.
So what is it? Is it have like,a tiny little motor on
it, or something, got a motor,and it's pedal assist. So if you
come up to, like, like, in mycase, there's like, a bunch of
hills out here. And if I want torun all the way down to Main
Street on my bike, it'll, it'llknock the wind out of you, you
know, I mean, that's doing itspurpose, right? But with any

(52:20):
bike, it just, it just, it makesit more enjoyable.
Did he wear like, a helmet?
Oh, yeah, I had a bad wreck lastSeptember, and came around the
corner and the whole bike justwent out from under me, and I
separated my shoulder. And,well,
you know about Dennis Holt'saccident? You know Dennis Holt,
the session drummer inNashville. He had, like, a
horrendous motorcycle orbicycle, because it because a

(52:41):
deer. I almost
got hit by a deer once. How fastdo you go on average?
I'm not a real speed demon. Idon't really want to go fast.
Anything over 30 miles an hour.I'm nervous and I don't like
it. That's pretty dang fast.Yeah, I mean, that's, I'm lucky
if I get, you know, 15 miles anhour.
It's funny, because there's athere's one down, is this Murray

(53:03):
County? Well, this isWilliamson, but not too far from
right?
So there's one down in MurrayCounty, Down Columbia that I do
every year, called theScarecrow. And I do it's 45
miles, and I do that one, andit's just in a day. And then
then there's gravel ones likethe gravel grinder and the
gravel revival. And those arebrutal, because those aren't
even roads, they're justdestination. What bike shop do

(53:24):
you like around here? What'syour choice Mohab, and they do
most of my work in Franklin,okay? And then pretty much
Mohab. Is that where you guysare? Franklin? No, I live in
Bellevue. Try to drive you guyshad to drive 90 minutes. Yeah,
we came down early. How aboutthat traffic? Well, we didn't
hit any because, you know, Itook a half day off school

(53:45):
because I knew, like, if Itaught the whole day I wasn't
gonna get I think
it's so cool you guys just like,you know, because this show is,
like, herding cats. It's like,you know, the guest list is so
long, all the people that I wantto get, but then I'll, I'll cast
the net, and I'll send it out toeight drummers, and the first
two that come back like you'rebooked, because I, you know, I
got to get somebody right, so Iappreciate
you. And I talked about doing itfor a while, and I was kind of

(54:08):
like, well, why would you know?And then I thought, you know, it
might be fun. Yeah, yeah. So Iget to bring my best friend, my
favorite trimmer in the world.
I love this. Oh, my God, total.You know, Jay and Max Weinberg
situation here, man, yeah, yeah,Nick
was playing saxophone in theband, and then one day he just
comes to me, he goes, Dad, Ireally want to play drums. Like,

(54:28):
well, we got him, so he juststarted playing. And I'd never,
I don't think I ever gave you adrum lesson, ever.
He taught me how to play 50 waysand pretty shuffled
nice. But those are intenselycomplicated. It wasn't the
first. I still can't play them.Yeah, the pretty shuffles
belongs to a futures and people,yeah, many people should, yes. I

(54:50):
see a lot of people
using it because you got, yougot the little quiet footnote,
oh yeah, in there that shapesthe phrase.
That's how I've been in my song.Dogs. Now, instead of doing the
book, I don't, it's good nighttip
your waitress, you just wearlike that's been a tick of mine
for since I was in high school.Don't play sit down at the kit

(55:11):
and I play 50 ways. It's justwhat I do, you know? And now I'm
actually playing with someonewho does 50 ways in their show.
Nice. And I gotta tell you, it'sa lot harder
just to get it to land and feelgood with the inner dynamics
cars coming out of the coursesback into the thing every single
time, I always flub for a coupleof beats.
You know, yeah, and Steve cat isone of them. He's the most

(55:32):
recorded drummers in history,but he's also one of the nicest
guys. Yeah, I've
never met him, but I've onlyseen him once, yeah, but if I
was gonna see him once, it wason the Paul Simon rhythm of the
sage store. So that was, whendid you see that 92 was right
after they did the Central Parkthing? Okay? They were here at
Starwood

(55:52):
because I saw them. I want tosay 99 or maybe 2000
Star Wars was Antioch, right?Yeah, out there.
And if that show was stillgoing, I'd still be sitting
there going, sure, yeah, it wasunbelievable. Richard T was in
the band. Michael Brecker was inthe man. God, it was, yeah,
it was a big old like, ensemble.
Okay, so there's a saxophonerelationship here, big because
you had to play sax for a littlebit,

(56:13):
right? That my story was, Iwanted to play the drums, and my
mother said I had it too loud.She wasn't wrong. Why don't you
play the saxophone? I alwayslike the sack.
Okay? And then you start on thesax. Yeah, I started love sex.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind giving ita shot. Now,
it's a great, I mean, it's, it'slinear, so it's very easy to

(56:34):
understand how notes work. I hada great time, just like,
learning how to play music,understanding how to read music,
how to just get a grasp
So, and then you get to, youknow, you get to really sell it,
you know, with, with, like, theDave Koz thing, you know, like
in the Kenny G thing, and thecircular breathing. So I was
just up in Long Island. And, ofcourse, you know, in Long
Island, you got to play oneBilly Joel song. I played with
this local band, and thesaxophone player, he plays sax

(56:57):
and Debbie Gibson's band. But Ilove it when there's a melodic
solo on an instrument, whetherit be guitar, saxophone, and the
person takes the time to learnit, no for note, because, you
know, soccer moms can sing it,they can hum it. Sure you gotta
do it. No for no. And he didthat, you may be right solo. No
for no.
And
I was like, oh, yeah, you got meon the very first drummer jam

(57:19):
that I did, yes, and it was theStuart Copeland one, yeah?
Douglas corner, I did hungry foryou, yeah. And so I brought in
two sax players. Yes, it wasNicholas and Craig Wright, oh,
my God. And that was played fournotes 10 years ago, okay? And
then, but then there's also
Greg right, Eric Church'sdrummer, yes, he played. Those

(57:41):
were my two sacks.
Where was I that night? Oh, myGod, those drummer jams. Man,
we've had, we've had a JerryGaskill one. We had a Stuart
Copeland one. We had a NeilPierre one. We had an Alex Van
Halen one, the Phil Collins one.We did, do we have a Do we have
a bottom one daughter?
Bottom? Yeah, the bottom one.You had a Jeff won, but those
were before they really tookoff.

(58:02):
Dude, that's seven right there.But there's a picture on your
Instagram, way, way, way down ofyou sitting on the Alex Van
Halen, kids, wait, what did youplay?
I played incredible rock becauseJunior's Great.
Oh, perfect. It the flam onsnare on the snare on beat four,

(58:26):
you can't beat
Oh no, I had it was so much fun.And you got to come to some of
those. So, yeah, I
got to see the Phil Collins one.I did the Stuart Copeland one
with
you. And you know, he did a loudjams when you were still 15,
yeah, like one or two. Actually,he
did Jojo, oh, my god,

(58:49):
that was hard.
He just was so great. And he'sup there playing, you know, he
wants, I'm nervous for him, youknow, he walks on stage just a
couple things, looks around,123,
he's nice. Away. And people arecoming up to me, go, he's got
your time
35 years.
Yeah, no, it's, I'm alwaysdeveloping. It's the first thing

(59:11):
I check, like, you know, likewhen I sat in with this band in
Long Island, the first thing Idid was gather all the footage
from all my friends immediately,just made sure that I was, is,
is it as good as I remembered itfeeling, you know what I mean?
And I'm hard on myself, butthat's the number one thing.
Yeah, I used to have the minidisc player, and I would record
my monitor mix, because I had,like, a little mix mixture, you

(59:33):
know, I had my two mix and thenI was, you know, I had, I ran a
few loops, not a lot of stuff.Yeah, I wanted to have complete
control over it sure, becausewhen you don't, you end up it's
tighten up your butt cheeks. Youcan't hear that. Ashley Simpson
on SNL, yeah. So I was recordingmy monitor mix every night, and
then listening to it after thegig, and going, Well, why the
hell did I play that film thatjust broke everything that was

(59:56):
and so I really just got thatgig down to this essence of. Of
and at one point I did an entiretour with one a kick drum, a
snare drum, a hat and onecymbal. Yeah, that was the rig
for the whole that's awesome.And then God, Hendrix is on
fire, man. I've been coveringthat lick up all this time, you
know. So it really was a greateye opener. Wow.

(01:00:17):
What was it like when you guysdid the Van Halen one? What was
it like to sit behind that kit?
That's awesome. It felt great.
It was set up great, yeah,because we weren't allowed to
adjust anything
you gotta Yeah? So, I mean,this, the seat heights got to
remain the same. I think
that was the only thing we wereallowed to adjust, was the seat,
seat, yeah?
So, because he was a, he was ahigh snare drum guy, yeah, you

(01:00:39):
know, it's
worked for me. I had to crankthat damn thing because I'm a
low rider like Tommy Aldrich,which is probably not great for
my
back. So, I mean, but basicallyyou were hitting it. What naval
level right around there,
he found a video of me playingall weight recently. It was
interesting. I wish I hadlearned the, you know, you don't
get, get to get on the kit. Sosometimes the drum to drum

(01:01:01):
specifics, right? As a macrorhythm, I knew that all I have
to do is kind of like phrasethis around the existing drums,
because it could actually get
on the kit, two up and two down,yeah,
and you're a one up, two down,yeah, right. But you did. You
played fly by night, and thatwas the, I'd never heard of the

(01:01:24):
drummer jam. That was the firstone I ever went to, yeah, and,
but then I was watchingeverybody, and everybody was
coming off going, God, that drumsets, terrible. Oh, really.
Well, it was just, you know,massive, massive kit.
It wasn't, I mean, he didn'treally set him up. Neil didn't
really set him up veryergonomically, back, no,

(01:01:46):
but it was funny, because andthen Murphy went
up and
did limelight, and I thought hejust crushed that. And then that
was the first time I ever heardBilly play. He closed the show
with LaVilla strong Jada. And Iwas like, Who is this kid? Yeah,
Billy, Billy Freeman. Oh, god,yeah, Billy's great. And I was

(01:02:08):
like, Oh, the future of drummingin
Nashville. He's a, he's he's a,he's a Vinny type guy. It's so
funny. We had him on the show ishis wife bought him a birthday
greeting from Vinny caluda.That's awesome.
Well, this is gonna sound likeI'm making this up, but I swear
I'm not. I'm in West Virginia.I'm in college. I'm trying to
figure out the second verse ofkeep it greasy off of Joe's

(01:02:28):
Garage. And I can't find thecount, yeah. And I go, I
remember hearing that FrankZappa lived in Sherman Oaks,
California. So I'm gonna call411, ask for Sherman Oaks and
look for a number for Vincent orVinnie coluda spelled it. They
gave me a number. I called it.Vinnie answered, come on, this
is amazing. And we talked for 45minutes, and he was the nicest

(01:02:51):
person in the world.
And you're like, Hey, man, I'm Imean, you explained yourself,
yeah, hey, I'm calling from WestVirginia.
I grew up 10 minutes down theroad from where he grew up, so
we knew a lot of the samepeople. I played in a band I put
myself through college playingwith a singer that Vinnie had
played with in the past. Yes.And then we also have a mutual
friend, Randy Sander Beck, whowas Kevin Murphy's teacher at

(01:03:15):
ETSU, who was my teacher at WVU,
wow. But you know, if you lookat the Zappa songbook, I feel
like Joe's Garage still. It's,it's so holds up. Yeah, it's
incredible. That's my favorite.It's the whole thing Joe's
Garage. Lucille has messed up.My mind is my favorite if you

(01:03:35):
want to hear how to play reggaefusion, oh, and then the most
incredible way.
And those buzz rolls in, thatfat snare drum, and those hats,
he's like, 22 right?
And it was just recorded inlike, you know, Zappos basement.
It's, I mean, it's, to me, it'slike, just ridiculous drum sound
thing, yeah, so on those Gretchdrums, those yellow ones, yeah,

(01:03:57):
unbelievable.
Just they sound so good. And,and, and it was weird, because
the first thing I've heard Vinnyon was Gino Vannelli Walker,
night Walker. Yeah, dude,because my friend Jim
florekovich, he's at one ofthose Pittsburgh guys union
town. Oh, you never heard of anycall you to, yeah. Oh, man,
Vinnie. And he plays meNightwalker. And I'm like, What
the hell is this, you know? Andthen he goes, Oh, you got to

(01:04:19):
check out Joe's Garage. Sothat's how I kind of and I'd
already had zoo to lower, so Iwas already bozzy owed, but I
hadn't really heard Vinniebefore, so and then it was just
everything Vinnie, yeah, butGino was the gig to get because
he went from Graham Lear toCasey Sherrell, yep, to mark
crani to

(01:04:40):
Vinny Cal You did to Davidgarabali, yep.
And he's got some young, Oh,that 22 year old lion now
fire, yeah, because Gino is adrummer, and he knows drumming,
yeah, you know so and, you know,it's funny, because, like, when
I was 25 I lived in the sametown as my parents, and I talked
to them once every other monthfor 10 minutes, and he and I
talked. Got a phone four times aweek, and it's an hour and a

(01:05:02):
half
Wow, because we're talking
about Mark crane, commonality.We're talking
about Barrymore Barlow, youknow, Jim,
do you have the YouTube pipethrough the system? Uh, what do
you need? I just would it's justa kill to hear just eight bars
of Lucille has messed up mymind, please. Lucille has
messed up my mind. It

(01:05:28):
sounds like roto times it
is perfect.
Yeah, I just, I just turned mynext roommate of mine onto that
record not too long ago, and youjust the look on his face. I was
like, I'm gonna start showingthis album to people. I think
it's good.
Well, it's funny because we wereoutside in the waiting to come
in, you know, yeah, he got herea little early, and I'm showing

(01:05:48):
him average white band videos,and he's showing me slipknot.
That definitely just happened,
that new drummer, and Slipknot,I mean, it's like all the
drummers have been amazing. But,you know, we were talking to
Jay. That is Eloy coscro. Imean, yeah,
oh no, tight.
I've just never seen somebodyhit so hard and great sound like

(01:06:10):
great sound is great, greattone, great time and totally
accurate.
Yeah, yeah, he's undeniable.It's I
did I miss the beginning?
Oh, we'll hear it again if youwant.

(01:06:31):
There we go the way itstraightens out at the very end.
I
love all the symbols with nobass drum.
Yeah.
Ike Willis. Is he still alive?

(01:07:00):
I'll be singing this in thestairwell at school tomorrow. Is
that where you go?
My kids, Nobody's allowed totalk, but not because they can't
talk in the store, because theycan't mess up my singing. Yeah,
as soon as we hit it, I'm like,I guess you wonder where
Nice?
So, yeah, I sing
in the stairwell at school,because the acoustics are

(01:07:21):
unbelievable. Oh yeah. Like,those 50s do up groups, yeah.
And then the kids are all justlike, Oh, shut up. And I'm like,
I have a SAG after card.
What do you have, kids?
Yeah, the sad, the sagresiduals, any, anytime you sing
on a late night television show,the pay, the pay is much better.
Oh yeah. So I always like, justgive me a microphone. But so the

(01:07:42):
two guys that sing, Jack andTully, their checks are fatter
anytime we do a late night show,if you'd be so surprised, like,
ladies and gentlemen, I'm gonnapull back the curtain. You know
what it pays to play the TonightShow, $500 but do you think it's
like you it's like a thing like,Oh, my God, I'm gonna play that.

(01:08:02):
And it's incredibleaccomplishment. Like, 500
bucks. Oh, that's 750
Yeah. See, you make little bit
more for a little bit learn
how to rep. I don't know howthose guys remember all that
stuff. Somebody who's got thethe dense flow, like, what's his
name,

(01:08:22):
the the white rapper, kid,Eminem, yeah.
Oh no. It's I, it's so farbeyond me.
And the rhythm, the rhythmstructure to fit it all in. It's
like
Buster rhymes. That's, it justboggles my brain.
Maybe just do like gang vocals,like doubling the vocals.
I'm so busy back there I can'tbe singing. I'm sweating and
grunting, twirling.
Lincoln TV is such a weirdthing. I did the view, yeah, you

(01:08:46):
know, because everyone was thewedding guy, you know. And we
got there and, and I didn't endup singing any background. All I
did was play shaker, and couldnot ask for more. And they
didn't even have that mic. And Igot my 500 bucks, or whatever it
was, yeah, and, and it wasfunny, because it snowed really
bad, and we couldn't fly out. SoI was stuck at the Omni Hotel,

(01:09:08):
and I just, I went through thatmini bar and the mini fridge and
ordered room service and justtook the took the robe and
skipped out
Regis tab, I'm so happy that youand I broke our pattern of you
being my Uber because you weremy Uber driver for like, two
events. Oh, did I you were like,you're like, I'll drive you

(01:09:30):
home, kid. Oh yeah,
we're at the red door, and I'mlike, rich, let me, let me run
you home.
Thanks. I have been drinking.I've just been doing meth all
night.
The red door, thank God, yes. Somy new
red door is right up the street.Is the mission cigar bar right
there as my so good. But near Z,you know what? You know near,

(01:09:53):
yeah, he, he went to the missioncigar lounge in downtown
Franklin on the square. Hereally nice. It's really nice,
really, yeah, that's cool.
We might be doing some podcaststhere. Great vibe, man.
Yeah, I used to go to a cigarbar down on Jim Umbrian with
Buda. Oh, it was like a whiskeycigar place,

(01:10:14):
yeah, was it next to 10 roof orwhatever? Yeah, it
was right next to tin roof. Whatwas that? It was seven years.
Seven years. What's your go tostogie?
I doubt
I'm the last guy in America Istill smoke.
Oh, good cigarettes. Yeah,

(01:10:36):
camels, Marlboro lights.
I'm on Marlboro light specialselect now, but it was, it was
camel lights for a long time.
Do you lie to your doctor? Doyou lie to him? Or you? Did you
say, like, yeah, I smoke.
Yeah, that's what am I gonna dolives? What
are they up to? A pack now,$357.28
and I don't, you know, I dothat, and then sometimes I vape,

(01:10:59):
and I do a little both. And, youknow, somebody asked me just the
other day, said, I don't knowhow anybody can smoke anymore. I
was like, I don't know howanybody can't Yeah, awesome. Me
and Chris Nix are always, youknow, I quit for two and a half
years. Yeah, I didn't touch acigarette. And was it? Was it
miserable? No, not really. Igotten past the misery part. You

(01:11:19):
know, the first couple ofmonths, I can't imagine.
Were you the worst kind ofquitter? Were you like, you
caught a secondhand smoke whiff,and you're like, Oh no, no, no,
I didn't, because I mean to me,No, I never did that stuff. I'll
smell it. And I'm like, Oh
yeah, it was weird. I didn'ttouch one for the longest time.
And then when we did the PhilCollins thing, I was doing

(01:11:41):
auxiliary percussion and a lotof hand Sonic stuff. Yeah, so I
was at the rehearsal all daylong, and at the end, nicks and
I are out in the driveway, andhe's got a camel light. And I
was like, I let my guard down,just for a second, and took one
one cigarette. And two and ahalf years was out the window
like that. So I know if I everreally do successfully put them

(01:12:01):
down. I could never go back.Yeah, I learned that much.
They still make camel wides.
Probably not this one awful. Thehash on that thing would just
because, you know, I was onstage with Edwin, and I just
always had a funny Carlos. He'dbe holding a note, and I'd be
like, you know, it was SteveGadd in one trick pony with his
cigarette smokes just going intoyour eye, and you couldn't be

(01:12:23):
happier, and you're justplaying, and you're covering
yourself with ash, and becausehe's ridiculous, it's so stupid.
Can I try smoking rich? No,never. Just so smart. Yeah. I
mean, like, really, like, ifthere's one thing I would change
if I went back in time, I wouldnever
start. I really feel bad aboutthe cigars, because I just know
that still, the smoke is gettinginto your

(01:12:44):
Now, ultimately, you know, youknow when to say when, yeah,
yeah, right now when
it's so funny. For years, I'vealways been the, you know, the
Catskills manager, like myimpersonation of anybody in the
music industry. And now I thatguy. I'm a, I'm an old goat in
Nashville, like, survivor ofdecades in the industry, smoking

(01:13:05):
a
cigar, yeah? Crazy guy, yeah.Oh, that guy's been here
forever, yeah?
But at least, you know, it's sofunny that even though you're
not touring, you get to lay yourhat in in the Music City, one of
the last places for the musicbusiness. But we're all in the
same place at the same timerecording, and there's a great
well of talent, like you justnamed like, five bands that you

(01:13:27):
play with at the third andLindsay of the world. And, you
know, tell you the truth, I havebeen looking for some fun thing
that I could do where we do,like a like a guilty pleasures
type or long players type thing,where we could play four times a
year or something, and it's abig event, and Nashville comes
out, it's just hard to find.
Just wait for my average whiteband, covered band, and that's
it. That's it for me. I'm justdoing that

(01:13:47):
well, you and I were supposed todo some, some big event, and you
and I were going to switch offon percussion. And then Jason
booked something last minute,and then I couldn't do it at
all, and you did all of theauxiliary percussion. I can't
remember what it was like a yearor two
ago, yeah. But yeah, it's funny,because it's, I feel connected
to all of it, and I'm I justplayed on a record with my boy,

(01:14:08):
Eric Hamilton, and then I'vebeen playing Eric Hamilton since
night, and then you mixed it,and he's mixing the album, which
is kind of like having your sondo your colonoscopy,
because he's pulling up all thefiles he
can see where the like. Can seewhere the mistakes are. Then
I'm going to move that.
He gets the call from me. Hey,man, second snare drum hit in

(01:14:30):
the second course, man, you'regoing to have to tuck that thing
to the right just a little bit.He does it for me. I do, but I
came from an era where youdidn't get to do that. You had
to learn when to cough so thatyou knew like you're listening
to a song you played on withyour buddies. And you know that
snare drums coming late so youbecause it was on two inch tape

(01:14:53):
and there wasn't any moving,yeah. But now we get to fix
everything. So I get to soundlike, you know, which is good,
and. Bad, others good and bad.
Yeah, you got the, what is powerof love? Yeah, when it comes in,
it's, there's a flam between thekick and the snare.
Oh, yeah. That was a thing backin the day when we recorded to,
I feel like, you know, chime in.But when we recorded to tape,

(01:15:16):
and there was a four on thefloor, feel if you flamed a
little bit between the kick andsnare was fat, and it was you
looked the other way, and it wasvery acceptable. But now
everything is just so well.
This is what happened whenengineers became producers,
instead of coming from themusic. You had these engineers,
and they're like, up on thegrid. You know, I don't want to
say who, because I don't want tobad mouth anybody. But there was

(01:15:38):
a record that sold 10 millioncopies, maybe 12 million copies.
And I talked to the guy whomixed it, and the producer
turned it in, and every hit fromevery drum was so on the grid.
Yeah, it didn't sound human atall, yeah. So this guy had to go
and, like, introduce humanityinto moving things off of the

(01:15:59):
grid, yeah, you know. And hegoes, and he said, that just
sucked, like he it took him amonth to fix the fixed tracks.
Wow, to unfix them.
Yeah, so 10 million copies here,
that's, I wonder if that's goingto make a comeback, especially

(01:16:19):
now that AI is so the rage, andit's good, taking over the music
industry and creative and allthis other stuff. You got to
wonder if that's going to makelike, the way they used to
record a thing again, you know,a band on the
floor kind of already is, if youlook at like, what Lewis Cole's
doing, that's, that's the onlything I'm interested in. Did you

(01:16:41):
record it in your house, in thestairwell? It doesn't have to be
perfect. It's just beautiful.Yeah. And he turns me on to
stuff all the time, and I turnhim onto stuff. We're going to
see Noga Erez this week. I don'tknow if you've ever checked that
no band out of Israel. And thenew thing, and it's just in time
for an old, fat guy like me isplaying really light, and it's
cranking the freezing but justplaying light because there's no

(01:17:04):
nobody's on headphones. Yeah,there's no monitors. You're just
playing and they're makingyou're shooting your video and,
man, some really good music iscoming out of that stuff. Nice.
I don't know if you've seen thethe nowhere stuff, if you've not
checked it out, dude, that's21st century music at nowhere,
nowhere, K, N, O, W, I, E, R,nowhere. It's Lewis Cole and

(01:17:26):
Genevieve arcoty, wow. And dude,do yourself a favor.
Yeah, it's as good as it gets.Well, I like that when you're
you know. I mean, you see that alot in roots music and
Americano, where it's like amuch lighter touch.
Yeah, much the drums sound huge.I mean there, I mean watching
some of that Beatles documentaryon ringum. I mean, like, there's
times where he is hitting, butthere's also times where, I

(01:17:48):
mean, we talk about, talk aboutthis all the time, where the,
like, the idea of the drums werehuge in our heads, but really it
was a single microphone standingon top of but, you know, the
performance is what's huge,yeah, you know
the humanity, right? Every
picture tells a story. Mickey
Waller, yeah, my favorite. Andyou listen to trash hat rock,
it's like a, it's probably aLudwig club date kit with a

(01:18:12):
couple of mics on it, andthey're all in the right ear.
All the drums are in the rightthat's
one of my favorite records, man,that records and they just came
back from the pub.
Yeah? You know, Oh, we did webecause we did Maggie Mae on a
record, like we decided to, oneday at sound check, we just
started jamming, and we decidedto learn Maggie Mae, and we
learned it, and then we did onthe record, and we said we had
to get in and actually analyzeit. And there's so many wrong

(01:18:33):
notes, just you can tell theycut it once, and they were like,
it's fine, move on. And it'sbeen part of the fabric, guys,
yeah, for 50 years.
Incredible, incredible. Hey,with you living here since 1990
Yeah. Do you guys have a fatherand son restaurant? You guys go,
do you love for your favoritekind of food?
Kind of, not really one betweenthe two of us, because he's a

(01:18:55):
ramen guy. So what's your ramenjoint?
And black dynasty has some ofthe best food in Nashville,
hands down. Where's that that'sover. It's over. It's like, kind
of by Sylvan Park, blackdynasty, white dynasty. It's in,
it's in a brewery called BeardedIris. Oh, wow. Those guys,
they're just, they're insane.They travel to Japan a bunch to
go.
Jim's got a beer

(01:19:15):
podcast. Bearded Iris got somegood stuff. Oh yeah.
It's actually when I got intobeer, because I was going over
there eating ramen all the time,and they were telling me to
start pairing beers with thebowls I was getting, and you
need to listen to the ales andtails podcast on your coaster
there.
Yeah, but that's nasty. Ready?Can we keep the coasters

(01:19:36):
Absolutely, yeah.
Man, got coffee cups for youtoo. Yeah. You guys are taking
home the iconic
deal, it's not dishwasher safe.Okay, remember there.
We found out the hard way. Itcame out it looked like
a the Hulk, you know, like oldgamma.
No, we need to do. We need toget a t shirt with the mug on
it, and that says underneath,not, not dishwasher safe. Yeah.

(01:20:00):
Yeah, thing that'll be my schoolmug, because I have to hand wash
my dishes at school. Yeah, yeah.How's your teacher lounge? Is it
fun? Gossip and stuff happeningin there? I don't go in it ever.
Do you brown bag it a lot oftimes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if
not, I run over to the twicedaily and get a cheeseburger.
And, you know, I'm still like,what school is it that you teach
it? Yeah, I teach at GowerElementary, which is right next

(01:20:22):
to McCarthy's bookstore overthere on the west side.
Used to so I substitute Todd atall the because you know that
back in the day, in 1980 wouldbe like, you have a job request
at Gower Elementary.
I remember I would get like, 57calls a day. I was like, if I
could book sessions like this,I'd be incredible.

(01:20:43):
And then we had, I had the MapQuest it to figure out how to
how to get there. That was like,and
then print it out. We havesurvived some technology. Man,
are you finding those calls toincrease over time? Because, I
mean, the teaching professionskind of,
well, there's no subs anymore.They've ruined the whole thing.
What do you mean? What do youmean? Well, we can't get subs
where everybody's just on theirown. Now there's no that whole
thing is just,

(01:21:05):
they can't find anybody to sellit. Just made it, I
don't know. They keep tinkeringwith it, and less and less
people want to do it. And I'm sostupid because I worked in
Swimming Pool Heater factoriesand painted gas stations, and I
could have been subbing thewhole time. Yeah, indoors.
Well, I mean, it's pretty Imean, you got to get your
tuberculosis shot and you got toget a background check the

(01:21:26):
eye fingerprint check. Yeah,that went okay, yeah.
But
so when you say you're on yourown, what if you can't make it?
What happens? We just theprincipal figures out we have
classroom associates, which arelike subs that come to school
every day and they put them towork, and then we have a few
people that are still kind of inthe system, but it's, it's, it's

(01:21:46):
not what it was when you were init, wow. And when you were in
it, you would get 30 calls aday. Oh, it's insane. And what
the worst part was, I figuredout that if, if they, if you
show up before 11 o'clock, youget the full day's pay. So
they're calling you at 630 inthe morning and you're just
going, Nope, yeah, nope, nope.And everybody get that 10
o'clock go all right on the land

(01:22:10):
loop. Oh, the perfect job forsomebody who wants to be a
musician, because if you get agig or a recording session or
something, you just don't go,the computer doesn't go we
really need, you know, just onto the next call.
Totally. Hey Jim, ask yourquestion
buddy. You know I'm actuallylooking up.

(01:22:30):
I do have to clarify what theysure have done, but we'll get to
that.
Okay, so you're waiting on me.Okay,
you find your special questions,and I'll take your normal
questions. So if you guys had toplay you guys, each can end you
might have the same, same band,but if you had to be in a
tribute band, then only playthat music for the rest of your
life. What? What band? I'll lethim

(01:22:51):
answer for me, average whiteband. Yeah,
it's all I care about. Uh,that's hard. Do
you know Steve? Are you friendswith Ferroni? No, okay,
I wouldn't dare Yeah,
and 77 I cut school to go downand wait in line to get tickets.
And I got there at seven o'clockin the morning, and they opened
the ticket window at 10, and Iwas the only guy standing, yeah,

(01:23:12):
first ticket, amazing. And I sawthem on that tour, all right.
And I did get to ask him aquestion when he did a clinic at
four long ago. I got to ask him.So you really, I'm so deep on
him, yeah,
yeah,
okay, so, but who would whatband would you
probably rush? Yeah? I mean,they're my favorite, yeah,

(01:23:33):
now what that'll keep itinteresting
for the rest of your life. Imean, I'm in a bit of a power
windows phase right now, nice,but I think permanent waves to
grace under pressure, that's,that's permanent waves, moving
pictures, signals, grace underpressure is the keyboard. Ears.
It's just unbelievable. I likesignals, the music's crazy.

(01:23:53):
Talent windows, big money I usedto play, be able to play that
note for note. Well, that was
permanent waves or somethingthat's no signals. Power signals
factor, big money. Big money'son power windows. Yeah, that's
power window, yeah.
And I stopped at signals, like Ibought the record, all excited,
like every other rush record,and put the needle down, and it

(01:24:14):
was over. I was done
with because of the keyboards.No, yeah, no reason at all.
I was just done with them, and Itook 35 years off, and then
rediscovered him, rediscoveredhim. And it turns out they
didn't wait for me. They justwouldn't have made music anyway.
They were like, Dave, stoplistening. We should probably
hang this, right?
You got to appreciate the factthat with the documentaries they

(01:24:36):
made in the last 20 years onthose guys, they really just say
they played the they didn't givea damn, and it's they just, you
know, the people followed along,or that they did. They had a
raving fan base.
The craziest thing was, and Ican't say this 100% sure, but
I'm pretty sure I was at Neil'svery first gig with Rush. Oh my
God, because they were, theywere opening for your right heap

(01:24:57):
at the Pittsburgh civic arena,and I remember. Going to see
your eye heat. So I probably sawrush on Neil's very first gig
ever. But I don't remember,because I didn't really discover
them until all the world's astage, yeah, and from that point
it was on, I saw him like fourtimes on the Fair Board of Kings
store, and I was the biggestrush fan in the world, amazing.

(01:25:17):
But then R B just took overthat, yeah, just became
everything was R B for me, so,so then he's like, you know,
dude, you're really missing out,man, you gotta listen, he is
missing out. Great pressure.Late 80s era is crazy, yeah,
it really was. I'm a fan of that
era. I love it that it's notnostalgic for you Nick, it's
actually new, yeah, because welive, we live through it, you

(01:25:38):
know?
Well, honestly, like, I was inmiddle school, and I was that
was, like, the first record Iever waited to come out. Was
their last studio album,Clockwork Angels. So I got to
sit there and be excited for arecord to come out, and then it
came out. And I remember beingdownstairs watching videos on
the computer. Wow, thedocumentary is playing. And I
think, I think my dad told thestory that one of my brothers

(01:26:01):
was like, come on, come on, dad.Show him. Show him. And my dad
goes over, like, behind thecomputer, and pulls out this
envelope that had two rushtickets to at Bridgestone. That
would have been what, like 2013that's one of the greatest
memories of my whole life. Ihave a, I mean, this is a rush
tattoo from that record. Wow,man. So, I mean, I think about
this. I think about seeingRussia. My dad, white band,

(01:26:22):
yeah.
So what is that? A
rhythmic thing? Yeah, it's fromthe cell. Person, person, okay,
so
I just had fun, you guys.
I see a letter at that letter tothat got that
on the EF for show you with ahaircut.
The thing about

(01:26:44):
the this was, I heard this and Idecided to become a drummer,
yeah? Like I heard the song, Iheard this lick. I still think
the drummer that played on thiswas the original drummer for the
average white band, and I thinkhe's one of the greatest
drummers that ever lived. AndI've only ever heard him play
eight songs, yeah, and becausehe passed away, he died of a
drug overdose when he was 25when pick up the pieces was

(01:27:06):
still moving up the charts.Don't do drugs kids. Don't do
drugs kids. And then feroni camein and replaced Yeah, but
Robbie, like you go listen tothat record, man. You're just
like he would have played onSteely Dan records. He was that
good. Jim Gordon, good, he wasBernard Purdy good,
you know, Oh, how about that?Jim Gordon, My God, what a
horrible thing you're hearingvoices he was, he was this
incredible session drummer,like, you know, the Carly Simon

(01:27:28):
era and the, oh
yeah, all that kind of, the onethat, that picaro
just Yeah, so vain, incredible.Heard voices in his head. Killed
his mother. Oh, wow. And he's inprison for life.
Man just recently passed away.
Wow, I just not that long ago.
Well, hopefully his prisonexperience was not

(01:27:50):
tending on a high note, anyway.
On the other hand, I'm amotivational speaker.
On the other hand,
on a much higher note, it'sfunny because people will come
up to me and go, are you stillplaying a whole lot? And I'm
like, No, I'm not really playingas much as I used to, but the
boys kicking ass. So thefranchise?

(01:28:10):
Yes, franchise is a
good the Harrison family.comlegacy.
So that's Dave Harrison, andthat's Nick Harrison. How do you
guys like to be found? Do youhave like an easy
you know, we established orInstagram.
Do you like people signing inyour DMS?
Like, I've never understood thiswell, like people would call me.

(01:28:30):
How'd you get my number? I wantto get business cards made up
that just say, Dave Harrison,recovering asshole, and no phone
number, no.
It's amazing. I contestinformation.
Are you an AFM guy? Were youalways like a union guy?
You know, very little, actually,very little. I didn't do a lot
of the Union session stuff. Idid a lot of custom type work

(01:28:54):
when I was, when I was doing alot of sessions I did. I worked
all the time, but it was not,you know, Chapel Hill, six songs
in three hours. I hated thatcrap. Yeah, I didn't like doing
it.
I have an idea for that businesscard. What is it? Put a phone
number on there, but it's notthe right phone number. There
you go, and it goes to recordingof you saying I gave you the
wrong phone number for a reason.Leave me alone in

(01:29:15):
this day and age. I thought it'dbe funny to have a business
card, but you have to put itunder a microscope, and it's
everything I've ever done in myentire life,
or the phone number goes toKevin Murphy,
because He will not
answer. He will not

(01:29:35):
answer, leaving messages all thetime, and then I hear back from
him three weeks later.
Don't you think he needs his ownpodcast? Oh, my God, he needs
his own television. Delightfulcurmudgeon.com.
Yeah, I met him when he was afreshman at ETSU. Oh, you guys
go back that far, wow. And theKevin Murphy that we all know
and love is just such a teddybear. Old Kevin Murphy.

(01:30:00):
Was nuts come out to
Edwin Giggs, and he would takemy phone and put it in, like
Chinese,
I can't do anything with thisphone, because
who was that American Idol guythat he played with in the early
days?

(01:30:20):
Yeah, that he was the
green guy. Yeah,
Josh Grayson. Josh gray that'swhen I met him, that era.
So we were doing
a gig, and I was playing withJessica harp. I used to get
those road gigs where you'replaying with the person who has
a deal at the moment, kind of,you know. And we played a gig
with him somewhere in New York,somewhere upstate New York and

(01:30:41):
and I said, I said, Hey, man,I'm just, I don't, can I just
play your drums? And he goes,Yeah, sure. So pretty good. He
comes up, he goes, Did you bringyour own snare drum and cymbals?
I was like, no. I said, I usedyour sticks amazing.

(01:31:01):
Got it, walked off the stage. Ididn't know you
guys went back that far. That'scrazy.
I love him. I was doing arecord, speaking of Rush, I was
doing a record that was beingproduced by Peter Collins, and I
got called in to do percussion,nice overdubs, and so I'm
working all day on the record.And man, I just kept going, man,
these drum tracks are killingme. These are drum sets are so

(01:31:24):
good. And finally, I just had tobreak down. I was like, Who is
the drummer on this stuff? Andthey're like, Oh, he's a brand
new guy in town. Just got totown named Kevin Murphy. And I
was just like, I was startedcrying. I was so proud of him.
Nice. The tracks were amazing,yeah. And I just love I saw him
with tonic. I mean, I saw himand tonic a bunch of times when

(01:31:44):
I was with them, but I wasplaying with Carol and Don
Johnson. Yeah, we went to seeSheryl Crow and train, and tonic
was playing on the in theparking lot, right? And so I'm
just sitting there watchingtonic, just going, what a great
man. Look at this drummer, youknow. And I know Kevin really
well, you know. So I'm like, Ohmy God, he's so good. And then
he looks at me, sees me, andit's like he just, you know,

(01:32:06):
reached down and took the littlelid off of the red button and
just pushed that. Just took offshow for me. And I was just
one handed role, same species ofperson.
I mean, so what is, what is thestory with Branford Marcellus,
so Branford, you know, he livesin North Carolina, and we used

(01:32:28):
to do these gigs with hoodie andthe Blowfish there's like,
Monday after the Masters gigs,and that this was like that, but
it was like something to do withthe BMW car corporation or
something. It was in Greenville,South Carolina. And Branford is
just hanging out, and he'splaying with Hootie, and he's
playing with us, and he's justreally cool. And then we're in
the dressing room, and we'rejust talking to Branford. And be

(01:32:48):
like, the cool thing aboutBranford, he's just awesome to
talk to. He's just really nice.And so I said something about
like, I was like, you know, I'llbe totally honest with you,
like, if my monitor mix isgreat, I really don't give a
shit if the mains on are on ornot. Like, I don't care about
the audience. I don't care abouttheir entertainment. I just care
about the musicians I'm playingwith. And I do it for me. I
don't have an altruistic bone inmy body when I play music, it's

(01:33:09):
just for me. And he goes, Yeah,I know. Man, like, back when I
was with Sting, I used to, I go,Wait a minute, you played with
Sting, Jimmy the blue turtles.And he goes, Yeah, for like,
oh, fuck, man.
And Hendrix. Lee, Hendrix
is on the floor crying loudly.Hendricks, the bass player,
yeah, he was with Edwin. He wasso, you know, it's just

(01:33:33):
something I just did to goon on,you know, Bradford. But then
I've got a snare drum and a setof brushes, and Branford and I
are just working out jazz, and ahalf an hour jazz ended up
having a ball. I just can'tbelieve it's even happening. So
we finish up, you know, I'mputting my brushes and stuff,
and I said, Hey, man, I gottago. I gotta go jerk off and

(01:33:54):
update my resume. That's funnyas a joke. Yeah, I put Bradford
Marcelo.
That's amazing. Well, he's neverreally played. He seems like the
more approachable the Marcellus
brothers, oh, he's, he's justlike you and me, except that
he's forgotten more about musicthan we'll ever know.
And he was the band leader onThe Tonight Show for some time
as well for Jay Leno.

(01:34:14):
And I just took Jack to see himwith the Nashville Symphony, and
it was unbelievable, amazing.So, yeah, so that was, that's a
joke I did not play
with I love the story. I don'tplay at that gym. How about this
father and son team here? Didyou avoid meeting them? Did you
find your weird questions?
Or I kind of, I'll say, I don'tlike that one. I'm sorry. So

(01:34:37):
maybe I did. What are youlooking forward to in the coming
months?
I a weird
one for me. I got two bicyclerides. Yeah, I'm doing the
gravel revival and theScarecrow, and we're going to
see Noga Erez, and then we'regoing to see Steve Ferroni with
Paul Jackson. And I can'tremember everybody that's on

(01:34:57):
that
gig. Where's that? Leslie, I.
What you're going to totally beable to go talk
to the guy? Well, yeah, I mightbe able to, I get, kind
of let him break the ice foryou, yeah, because I took him to
see
Dave weckel, and then he's notthere at the table with us for
the longest time. He goes backand said where he goes, I'm
backstage talking to Davefearless. Well, he deserves to

(01:35:18):
go talk to Dave. Yeah, I'venever actually practiced, so I
don't have nothing to say.
What are you looking forward tothe next couple of
months? Well, I just moved intoa new place, living in Donaldson
now, so I'm just excited tothat's the new East Nashville.
Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I'venever really explored there too,
too much.
So Whataburger there now, let'ssay again, you got a Whataburger

(01:35:39):
there now, and you have a reddoor.
Thank God I was living inAntioch, and that Whataburger
came in clutch after, like, latenights and stuff. So yeah, just
making music, I'm producing,mixing, drumming, excited for
all of that. I love it. AndKarina
Hardesty, yeah, Karina Nicole,
Karina Bridget. Bridget, she's anew artist. She's from the

(01:36:01):
Northeast, and an amazing kindof Americana soul, like one of
the most amazing voices I'veever heard, nice my life. And
we're working on some some newmusic. You get
her, get her a record deal. Kid,you know,
your troubles are over. Yeah,
I just, I want 20% chocolate.That's good, man. Well, it's,
this was so fun, and it's, andit's a first, and I think it's

(01:36:23):
probably going to be the lastfather and son team.
Well, I mean, you know, I'll beback in 20 beauties kid, yeah,
and beauties kids coming up. Ishe really how I saw Dave Black
had his kid behind the kit? Ohyeah, no. My comment was, I
said, be careful with that. Isaid, you don't know the pain of
watching your son become twicethe drummer you ever I do crazy.

(01:36:46):
Oh my god, yeah, no, I nevermade life, so I have to live to
you guys. That's right, hey. Sothank you guys. I really
appreciate, really nice. Thanksfor making the trip. And you
know, we go way back, and it'sso cool to see all your Rising
Phoenix, rising trajectory. Askhim
whose favorite record produceris. Who's your favorite

(01:37:07):
record producer? That's a greatBarry White, yeah.
Ask him what his favorite bandis.
So you know about we have thatdrummer here. Ed, green. Ed,
green. Oh, is that right? We hadhim on the show like six years
ago.
Oh, no kidding. Yeah. I have togo look for that one. Yeah, ask
him his favorite band, favoriteband right now, I'm a sugar.

(01:37:30):
Love it, man. Just fun, right?Fun, awesome. We got to make
sure these guys get mugs. We'regonna make it happen. And to all
listeners, thank you forwatching. Thank you for
listening. Be sure to subscribe,share rate and review. It helps
people find the show and untilnext time, we appreciate it. See
you. Thanks, guys.
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