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February 3, 2025 55 mins

On Tuesday of last week, Trump sent out a letter ordering a freeze on all federal aid spending, slashing everything from Medicare to school lunches. Then, two days later, he rescinded the letter. This is a perfect example of the Trump governing philosophy, which is "chaos for chaos' sake." We discuss this and more with former US Congressman Andy Levin and Ted Genoways of The Food and Environment Reporting Network.

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