161. Intuition Isn't Scary: It's Your Superpower

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Rochelle Christiane podcast.
I'm Rochelle, your host.
I'm here to help you come backto your body, take charge of
your emotions and live life onyour terms.
This podcast is a space for raw, real conversations about what
it means to trust yourself, leanto your power and create a life
that feels aligned and alive.
We'll explore human design,astrology and other tools to

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help you understand your uniqueenergy.
More importantly, though, we'regoing to talk about what it
means to actually live andembody these aspects.
So, each week, I'm going toshare stories, lessons, guidance
to help you navigate life'schallenges and really own your
magic.
So if you're ready to step up,take control and show up as the
most authentic version of you,let's begin.

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Welcome to the podcast.
Today I talk to Hannah O'Neill,who is a professional tarot
reader, astrologer and witch whohelps spiritual seekers go from
feeling confused, blocked andoverwhelmed to feeling confident
, connected and clear in theirpath through a variety of
mediums.
Her goal is to make witchcraftfun and accessible.
Hannah has almost a decade ofexperience working with
satisfied clients from all overthe world, including some
celebrity clients.
She was nominated for multiplewitchcraft and occult media

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awards in 2024 for OutstandingVlog, blog and Podcast of the
Year and has been seen inWomen's Day, best Life and
Bustle, and this conversationwas so good.
We talk all about psychicsenses, divination tools.
We talk about religious traumaand Hannah's own experience with

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that.
We talk about how to work withour psychic gifts, meditation,
human design, witches, and howshe even came into this and it
was so fun.
And you know one thing that youwill feel, if you don't already
know her the suburban witch.
On most or all of her channelsshe brings this energy of play

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and lightness and fun to whatshe does and that really is key
to a lot of these things.
I think we take things soseriously and it has to look a
certain way and it's like if youjust kind of sometimes throw
out the rules and just enjoywhat you're doing, enjoy life,
have fun with it, especiallysometimes the more serious

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things when we're talking about,like you know, downloads,
psychic gifts, premonitions,ghosts, like these things can be
a little bit heavy sometimes,right.
So it's like how can we make ita little bit lighter and funner
?
And that is definitely a lessonof my life, because I
definitely take things superseriously with my Hades moon, my

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Pluto square, my moon can bereally intense and you know,
hannah has a Scorpio moon, so Ithink that depth and that
intensity is definitely there aswell.
But again, she just has thisreally beautiful energy that she
brings to her work and so everyway that you can find her is
down below this week.
For myself, I feel like.
So last week was a full moon,we had yesterday the Jupiter

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Venus conjunction and I'vereally been working with you
know, activating my wealthconsciousness, I guess, and just
tapping into the energy ofmoney and what it means and
unblocking my stories.
And I don't know.
It's been really beautifulBecause, although you know I've
been doing this work, I've kindof had this moment today where I
was looking back at picturesfrom May, which was when I

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really decided sort of to justgo all in on you know, health,
my body manifestation, basicallyall of the things, and just
sort of like release my grip onso much and just sort of
surrender.
And then, when Jupiter went intocancer, I just feel like
everything since then has beenthis opportunity to surrender in
a really beautiful way.
But I was looking at it beforeand after picture of myself and

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I was like, wow, like it's not,you know, like the biggest
transformation you're ever goingto see, but like I can see it
and that feels really goodbecause, you know, I think we
get to a point in our journey,whatever it is, where it's like,
you know, no transformationworth having.
I guess, if that makes sense,no transformation is really
going to happen overnight andlike some do, in the sense that

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I think there has beenunconscious work maybe, and
maybe it's just because I'm asix line and things just take a
lot longer for me.
Either way, I was sort ofgetting to the point where I'm
like okay, I've been reallyreally heavy into the
manifestation, the meditations,the, you know, cleaning up my
body and working on my body.
I've been like kind of heavy onthat for now, I guess May, june

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, july, august, so it's threemonths and it's like all right,
my external, let's say, certainthings that I'm manifesting
haven't really shifted, haven'treally changed, things that I'm
manifesting haven't reallyshifted, haven't really changed,
but really taking inventory andnoticing how much really
actually has changed.
And it's that belief thatthere's no way that I can feel

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this way and feel this good inmy body, in my mind, in my
emotions, connected to my spiritand things not manifest
externally, and sometimes it'sjust a slower journey Again.
Sometimes it just takes time.
Sometimes we have to havepatience, sometimes we have to
surrender, sometimes we have todig a little bit deeper to see
where am.
I still being held back bycertain narratives and I just

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noticed one thing that wasreally kind of powerful for me
today is that before I startedall this, so before May, I would
, every time it was, you know,my cycle, I would get my period
and I would get really, reallymoody.
The week before I would breakout in acne, I would, you know,
my breasts would hurt, I would,my body would sort of hurt, I

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would get cramps, like the wholething right.
And then day two of my period,I was just like forget it, I
just want to lay in bed becauseit's so heavy, it's so
uncomfortable.
And the last two cycles I'vehad, I've had zero PMS, I've had
like zero symptoms, my bodydoesn't hurt, it's so normal and
my flow is just like fine, likecompletely manageable, not

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overwhelming, and I was like,wow, this is kind of amazing.
So I've heard experts, you know,speak about all of these PMS
symptoms that were sold on thatwe don't actually have to
experience.
It's sort of like when you'reworking on your body, your
physical body and your health.
We don't understand or we don't, we're not taught that.

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You know, our baseline doesn'trequire bloating and gas and
headaches and and dehydrationand like all these symptoms that
we have.
Right Like it's sort of likewhen you get to that baseline,
when you understand, when youpeel back all the shit and then
you understand like, oh wow,this is the baseline.
All the other stuff on top isjust stuff that were sold as
normal.

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And I say that and I understandthat there is, I think, a
baseline of normal in the West,maybe due to our diet and our
lifestyle, and I want toacknowledge that a lot of these,
a lot of this is taken out ofour hands, and so I know that
it's not easy to feel good allthe time, especially given our

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food industry, pharmaceuticals,like all these things.
There's so much wrapped up intothis.
I don't know, I've just beenit's.
It was a really, I think, reallycool moment for me today to
witness that shift and thatchange and to realize how much
actually has changed in the lastthree months.
And it might not appeardramatic, and you know my

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external, I might not be livingin the dream house, or I might
not have the dream job at themoment, right, but things are
moving and I feel it, and so Ican't help but know that it's
going to my external, iscatching up to my internal and
everything that's happeninginside.
And just to like keep goingright.
So like, if you're on thejourney and maybe you've
struggled staying consistent inthe past, keep going right.
So like if you're on thejourney and maybe you've
struggled staying consistent inthe past, keep going, keep

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showing up, keep doing the work,even when you don't want to.
There've been a couple ofmornings that I woke up and I
was like I don't want tomeditate this morning, I just
want to snooze.
And this morning I woke up andI was like I literally opened my
eyes to turn my alarm off and Iwas like oh my gosh, I'm so
tired.
And then immediately I was likeyou know what, though?
This is the coolest way to wakeup, because my mind is awake
and I get to wake up while myeyes are closed, while I

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meditate how cool.
And it just like shiftedeverything.
So it's just in these littleways like, basically, just keep
going, so I won't talk too muchand take up too much time here,
but I just wanted to share thatbecause I think it can get
really frustrating when you'reputting in the time and you're
doing the work and it takes awhile or you're not seeing the
results.
And I just want to say that Ipromise they're there and just

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keep going, keep putting onefoot in front of the other, keep
choosing yourself, keep settingyour boundaries, keep sticking
to the promises with yourselfright, like stop self-abandoning
and show up for yourself inwhatever way that means, and
have compassion and grace, andjust keep going right, like stop
self abandoning and show up foryourself in whatever way that
means, and have compassion andgrace and just keep going right.
So, with all of that being said, the so there are multiple

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calls that I've added to mycalendar so you can go down in
the link below and join thosecalls New Moon call I'm going to
do a transit call and then nextmonth, full moon, new moon and
we're doing a HD for a humandesign parenting call workshop.
You can also so you can sign upfor one-off courses, one-off
calls, one-off circles, or youcan join your sacred unraveling

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and get all of them for $22 amonth.
It's a membership space.
You get access again to all thecalls.
There's resources in there, youhave telegram community and we
go through different themesevery single month.
So obviously the membershipprogram is the best option.
But if you just want to drop inand see what it's about, each
call is $11.

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So you can join through thatlink.
That will be down below andevery way that you can work with
me is down below.
Every way that you can findHannah is down below the
Suburban Witchery on everything,and I hope you enjoy the show
and I will speak to you soon.
Welcome to the podcast.

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So I'm actually having a littlebit of rebranding this coming
Thursday, so it's like thatpause to introduce the way that
I used to.
But welcome to the podcast.
Today I have Hannah O'Neill,who is the suburban witch and a
psychic divination expert, tarotand astrology reader, and we'll
get into all of it.
I'm really fascinated,especially when it comes to our
psychic gifts.
It's something I've been divinginto for the last few years but

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I'm still a novice with it.
But I will hand you the floorfor you to introduce yourself,
your story, anything pivotalalong the way that sort of got
you to where you're at today,and we'll take it from there.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Amazing.
Thank you so much for having me, rochelle.
So one thing as well as theamazing witchy stuff that I do,
one thing I also focus on is alot of deconstruction content
around the Christian faith,because that was my, that's my
baseline.
That's where this all started.
I began in the Pentecostalchurch.
It's very different, but theChristian to which pipeline is

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still very strong.
So it is there.
There are people traversing itand it's a little bit bumpier
than people who maybe don't havereligious trauma and things
like that, because that fearthat comes with religious trauma
the fear, the thinking thatevery intuitive thought must be
a demon is really hard toovercome.
So that's one of my, I guess,special interests is helping

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people traverse that tricky pathas well as people who don't
have that, and you don't need tohave that to work with me or
understand any of the stuff thatI'm talking about.
But it is an interesting aspectto have both of those there and
the normal pop culturegeneration out there also comes
with some of this religioustrauma, even if they didn't grow

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up in the church, purelybecause it is in things like the
Exorcist we have that likereligious branding of you know,
if you use a Ouija board, thisis going to happen to you and
people come to psychic gifts,magic, all of these things, with
those almost like built-inbeliefs that you then have to
deconstruct and pull apart.
So that's one of the things Ilove helping people do.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I love helping people , I guess, take their blinders
off and see what amazingness wehave in this world magically,
spiritually, psych, psychicallybecause it's really amazing and
it can really truly help us in areally practical way in our
everyday life to have all thoseskills, talents, techniques,
gifts, all of that yeah, when Ithink, unless you were raised

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from like that small pocket ofpeople that are um more
spiritual inclined maybe, andeven that I still think there
are always like remnants of somesort of religious teaching or I
don't know I, my dad, was RomanCatholic and so I went to the
church every single Sunday, butfor me, once I turned, I did all
the things that I was supposedto do, and then I turned 16 and

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he was like, okay, now you cancontinue going or not.
And I never went back Cause Iwas like sitting in a church and
having to say like 25 HailMarys, cause I hit my brother,
just felt to me like you know.
But I would love to know, ifyou're open to talking about it,
I guess more about like your,what that looks like for you and
and what it looks like for youseparating from that and then

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coming more into this intuitive,witchy kind of practice.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, so I've always been a very spiritual person.
So even as a kid growing up, Ispent my first 16 years of life
in the Pentecostal church, whichthey're not going to.
They're not going to ever admitthis.
But in my opinion, having seenboth sides of the coin, the
Pentecostal branch ofChristianity is the most
psychically active church.

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In my opinion.
They have, you know, gifts ofthe spirit, like there are
literal gifts from the HolySpirit of essentially channeling
, basically, and dreamdivination and prophecy Like
this is this is psychic stuff,but it's okay when it's from the
Holy Spirit.

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Anything outside of that iswhere they draw the line.
So I was already very familiarwith a lot of this magical
thinking in a way.
And it's funny, my brother andI had almost the exact same
upbringing but he just neverreally clicked.
He liked going to churchbecause he could play in the
youth group band and play drumsand guitar and get some live

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music experience, but he wasn'tlike myself who was desperate
for that spiritual connection.
So I think that almostdesperate spiritual seeking
remained a part of me.
That's just a part of who I am.
I have a lot of 12th houseplacements.
It makes sense now.
At the time I didn't know that Iwas just like.
I thought I was going to be apastor, you know, I thought I

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was going to be preaching and amissionary and all of these
things.
And I had these psychic visionswhen, in the depths of prayer,
like absolute surrender, at thealtar of the church, on the
floor, praying my heart out,trying to get something, and I
would have these visions right,which have been confirmed to

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have been a part of my future.
It was a pre-cognitive vision.
I thought it came from God.
The very first one that I hadwas so clear.
It was me.
You know, there were thesechildren in front of me and they
were standing on dirt floor.
I could tell they were fromanother country.
They had brown skin, theselittle children looking up at me
.
I must've been an adult in thisvision, even though I was like

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five when I had it, and thesekids had their sort of hands up
to me.
And I came out of this prayermeditation which now I see, I'd
put myself into a trance,receptive state, and I came out,
I turned to my mom and I saidI'm going to be a missionary
because the only possiblecontext I had as a five-year-old
in the church was the missionsthat we saw every week, that

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we're donating for and peoplewere going to.
So that was the only concept Ihad.
When we got kicked out of thechurch at 16, because my parents
divorced a huge worldview shift.
Like what do you mean?
You can be kicked out of thechurch?
We didn't do anything wrong,like I didn't do anything wrong.
What are you doing?
So that forced me to confront alot of things.

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But I was still spiritual.
I was, I still believedeverything.
So that letting go of that comes, you know, takes time, similar
to when someone's in arelationship and you're fully in
love and then they cheat on youand you leave because you
know're supposed to, or theybreak up with you because you
know you're supposed to, butlike you still love them.
That's what it felt like I wasstill in love with the church, I

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was still in love with God.
I'd had visions right, I'd hadproof, I was certain I'd felt it
.
I'd felt the tingles and all ofthat.
But in hindsight, a lot of thatwas just live music played at
the right chord at the righttime, with the air conditioning
on and lots of people in a room,because it was a mega church.
It was huge.
So at the time I was stillseeking and I still had that

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vision.
So I'm like what on earth doesthis mean for me?
I was supposed to be amissionary.
So I tried other churches thatdidn't quite fit right.
I didn't have that base ofknowing everyone from birth and
knowing what was expected right,so it was a bit harder to sort
of integrate in.
And so I tried, I explored, Iexperimented.
It was hard because I wasworking.
Parents had moved to opposite,like literally they were about

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five hours apart from each otherand I was trying to see
everyone.
So church fell off the waysidefor a little bit in favor of
school, social and work.
That vision went to the back ofmy mind and I thought you know
what?
I must have made it up.
I was a kid, maybe.
I literally fell asleep and hada dream Like that's probably
what happened.
Right, I started explaining itaway, forgotten all about it.

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I in true me fashion wasescaping from stuff that had
happened in my social life, abreakup and all of that.
And I said you know what?
I'm going overseas, I'm movingoverseas, I'm leaving.
See you later.
Mic drop, quite, literally atmy 21st speech mic drop.

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I'm moving to Canada, see youguys.
And on the way I was like I'mgoing to go to Cambodia, I'm
going to volunteer there andteach English for a bit and then
I'll travel Southeast Asia andgo to Canada.
This is just this.
I need to get out and explore.
Get to Canada, I startvolunteering, teaching English
and these beautiful littlechildren.

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At one point, standing on thedirt floor that was in the
school room, the classroom,looking up at me, and I just had
this full body chills moment ofoh my goodness, this is that
vision.
This is that vision, oh my gosh.
And I'm standing there tryingto like teach a class and also
internally freaking out,thinking what do you mean?

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What do you mean?
This is true, what does thatmean?
Does that mean?
God's real, like what ishappening to me?
And I had to, and I wastraveling by myself, so I had to
go home to my hostel room bymyself and sit there and think
about the day, like what justhappened.
I had the vision.
That was real, that was almostlike a play-by-play, exactly as
I remember it.

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But I'm not a missionary,that's not what I'm doing here.
Maybe I just had a vision ofthe future and there was no
God-given purpose behind it.
So why did I get this vision?
And so that plagued me for alittle bit, this like wondering,
and I never really toyed withthe atheist sort of thinking.
I was always like agnostic.

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There's something, there'ssomething I don't know what it
is, I don't know if that churchwas right for me anymore, but
there's something right.
So experiences, all thatstarted to pull apart some of
the indoctrination that I'd had,some of the beliefs, when I
finally met my husband.
So at the time he was myboyfriend, he was raised
Catholic and so I was like,sweet, you're a Christian as
well, this is great.

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And I would say stuff like oh,you know, when we're in church
we did this, this and this, andhe'd sort of turn around and go
you did what?
Say that again?
What do you mean?
What are you talking about?
People fell on the floor.
Why are they falling on thefloor?
And it's that shock that he hadwhen I'm like we believe in the
same thing, right, that shockthat he had shocked me out of it

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a little bit and opened my eyesto oh, was what I was?
Was it weird?
Was I in a weird church?
Was I in one of those strangeones yes, dear listener, I was,
and you know.
So that sort of started to helpand he would question a lot and
that would force me to come upwith some sort of answer.

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And it wasn't until we returnedhome after a few years in
Canada that's where I met himreturned home to Australia and
went on a ghost tour because atthis point, like I'd always been
a bit intrigued by ghosts,weren't allowed to be in the
church, but I'm out now I can dothat.
So I went on a ghost tour of anasylum in Victoria it's called

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Arradale Asylum in southeastAustralia, and it was like this
is intense tour.
This is like four hours fromlike 8 pm till 2 am, walking
tour around like acres and acresof property.
And I loved spooky.
I thought it was really cooland really fun.
I wasn't really scared of it,but you know, I liked the

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excitement and we walked into, Ibelieve, did it.
I walked into this.
It looks like a house, it lookslike an old house.
This is like super old place.
Walk in and as soon as we'regoing I get hit with this wave
of like, the smell of like I waswalking into a barn, like it
was hay and straw.
And I was like, oh my gosh, dothey have like farm animals in

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here or something?
And everyone in the group I waswith sort of looked over at me
like what are you talking about?
And I'm going can't you come on?
Like it smells like a barn,like that is the strongest smell
of hay I've ever had in my life, almost bowled me over type of
smell.
And the guide will, with sortof pushes us all into this room
and he said can you say thatagain?

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I'm like oh, I just the smell.
How can no one else smell it?
My husband's like dude, are youhaving a stroke?
What is wrong with you?
No one could smell it.
And at that point I'm thinkingam I Like?
What do you mean?
This is really intense for meand it's so physical.
Our sense of smell is sophysical.
Anyway, the guide said it'sreally interesting.

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You say that this is the roomwhere they used to perform
lobotomies and back then theydidn't have running water so
they would cover the floor withhay and that would soak up the
blood so they could sweep it.
And everyone then, like pivots,turns around and goes, oh my
God.
And I was like what justhappened.

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Oh, my goodness, now, from thisis like 15 years ago, maybe 13
years, something like that.
I can't do maths.
It was a while ago.
At the time that was like veryweird, very strange.
Lots of thoughts came afterthat.
Right, it was pivotal.
But looking back, I'm likethat's so clever of my spirit

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team, my spirit guides, to do itthat way, because I had
witnesses so I couldn't explainit away.
It wasn't also like me tryingto convince other people that it
happened, because there waslike a group of 30 people that
watched it happen.
It was so visceral, so physical.
I couldn't ignore it and that'swhat made me speak it out loud.
If it had been like a flash ofseeing something, I probably

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would have thought I don't know,push it away.
I thought I was imagining or,you know, did my medication have
some weird strain on it?
That's causing me tohallucinate, like I would have
kind of questioned it around,that If I'd heard something I
would have just thought I'dheard some like workers in
another room or something, likeI wouldn't have really put two
and two together, but the senseof smell was such a clever one.

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Also, being in the room that wewere in, I got immediate
validation with what the guidebacked up in the story, and if
they'd shown me blood, if I'dheard the lobotomies that would
have freaked me out, I wouldhave closed off completely by
having my clear aliens is whatthat's called, this sense of
psychic smell or a mediumshibbistic in this case because

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of the area we were in thissense of smell get activated
like that.
It made me curious andintrigued and like that was
something special and I can't Ican't hide from that.
So I think that was a reallypivotal moment in retrospect
that really pushed me closer towhere I was supposed to be,
which is what I'm doing now andyou know, working with psychic

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gifts and what was that called?
Why did that happen?
Does that happen to otherpeople?
All of these things promptedvery, very deep research and it
just got bigger and better afterthat.
Right, so that's my.
I can't even remember what youroriginal question was, but I
kind of answered it no, that wasso good.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
I was like that's so fascinating and I was like
getting chills as you weretalking about it.
I've always been so fascinatedwith people who have had such
like visceral experiences earlyon and like how that translates
or like how they continue topractice it like into adulthood.
And you know, some people havereally supportive parents, some
people like forget about it andthen come back to it later.
So the fact that you saw thatvision like it came true, but

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like in a different context thanyour five-year-old mind could
like wrap itself around, is justso fascinating a woman
traveling on her own was not inmy repertoire at five.
I can't imagine.
I mean, you never know.
Yeah, no, but my daughter,she's seen things since she was
a baby and I always like saw my,my, like.

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One little story for myself islike I was always so.
I grew up in the middle East, soI grew up around a lot of
different religions, a lot ofdifferent cultures, and so I
kind of got to experience it.
I went to India and Thailandand you know I've been to
Australia and like just like alldifferent places.
So I've kind of like had thiscuriosity towards just like
people and cultures anyway, andum, so I was, I think, more

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spiritually inclined anyway,just because I I would see the
similarities between everything,right, as opposed to like
seeing the differences, I guess.
But, um, when my daughter firststarted seeing things, I just
never really shut it down.
I just kind of would be likeokay, whatever you know, or or I
just wouldn't say anything, orlike little things would freak
me out when she was little and Iwould see like all these orbs
like on the baby monitor, orlike she would open closets and
talk to people and I'm like, ohmy God, my house haunted which

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it was, because when I was 25,it was my.
The morning of my 25th birthdaywas the first time I ever saw a
ghost in my entire life and Ijust I knew it.
Like it stood there, I couldkind of see through it.
It was all it was a militaryuniform and I pulled the covers
over my head and I was like thisis not happening.
This is not happening.
I was so like I was sweating sobad I couldn't even check my
phone to see the time, cause itwas just soaking wet.

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And then I pulled it back, itwas still there and it just
started of the bed.
So I don't know if it wastrying to communicate with him
or I don't know.
But anyway, long story short,but I after that I was equally
amazed and terrified and Iremember like sitting on my bed
and I just sat there and I spokeout loud and I was like listen,

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cause I didn't feel like it wasmalicious.
So I was like I don't, I can'thelp you, like I don't want to
see you anymore, like I can't,and kind of I never saw anything
after that.
Here and there things havehappened, like toys would make
noise.
My daughter still sees shapesand things like that.
But it's just.
It's fascinating to me whenwe're able to really, or I guess

(26:56):
, like maybe just not having thefear towards it, like what was
it for you that you walked intothat situation?
Like not having that fear.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
I think one thing that was a few years prior to
that, so when I was stilltraveling.
So I did two years in Canadaand then my husband and I we
were still dating, but we hadplans.
I was like no, dude, I havethis whole thing planned out.
You're not coming with me?
So we just split off for a bit.
He camped around the States andI was like no, I'm a slow

(27:26):
traveler.
So I went to Louisiana andTexas and I worked on farms in
those areas, volunteered onfarms so I could get my you know
that paid for my room and board, so I could stay a little bit
longer and really explore thearea.
And when I was in Louisianaworking on a goat dairy farm, I
was staying in a trailer, whatAustralians would call a caravan
in the back, surrounded bycornfields, which look, if

(27:50):
you've ever grown up watchingsigns, that was scary, just
being surrounded by cornfields.
I was kind of like all right,I'll deal with it.
I'm a big girl, so every nightI'd, you know, walk from the
house in the dark it's so darkout in rural Louisiana walk out
and get into my trailer and goto sleep and within the very
first couple nights of beingthere and I had flown in, you

(28:13):
know, gone in through NewOrleans, explored New Orleans,
done all the usual touristystuff and then gone here Within
the first couple nights I wokeup with sleep paralysis and I
had never had that before.
But I was aware of it becausein that exploration outside of
the church I went and watchedall the things I wanted to watch
but hadn't been allowed to.
You know, things like TrueBlood and Vampire Diaries and

(28:36):
all of those sorts of fun, sortof not quite spooky but a little
bit camp sort of shows thatexplored those elements that I
was never allowed to explore.
I read all of the Enright stuff.
So I sort of had gone into thisfantasy realm of the paranormal
and what it had done has givenme a lot of the vocab and the
words around it, but it alsosort of placed it into a that

(28:59):
could be real.
Some things definitely not like, you know that kind of area.
It's a bit of exposure therapy,I guess.
So when this happened I knewthat usually when people have
sleep paralysis they feel aweight on their chest.
I know that now is called hagriding.
I didn't have that.
It was my arms, my hands.
It felt like someone had theirhands around my wrists holding

(29:22):
me down to the bed and I was onmy back and I was trying to lift
.
I could lift up my head, Icould lift up my chest.
So this didn't fit with thepsychology point of view that
it's just your mind dreaming andyour body can't move and so you
kind of freak out a little bit.
Didn't fit with that, because Icould move my body.
My eyes were open and Icouldn't see anything, but I

(29:44):
could feel it holding me downand I was petrified.
Like I don't think I'd everreally been that scared.
When I was growing up my parentswould tell me there were demons
waiting to get me.
They're whispering in my ears,they're under my bed.
Like I had horrible, horribletrauma around hell and demons.
That was unfortunatelyreinvigorated every Sunday

(30:05):
service.
But even though those wereterrifying, I'd never felt like
something was touching me before.
Right, this was that first time.
So my brain goes demonimmediately, like, oh my
goodness, I've obviously openedsomething.
I've opened a portal, there's ademon and it's holding me down.

(30:28):
So I slipped straight back intothe church and I start praying,
so every prayer I could think of, just consistently on repeat,
and it didn't work.
And this is what really scaredme is that didn't work.
I was always told, you know,the power of the name of Jesus
would frighten any demon, butthis thing wasn't going anywhere

(30:48):
.
Eventually I don't know if itgot bored or whatever happened I
fell back.
Well, no, I didn't fall back tosleep, it left.
I got up, I put on my Hillsongmusic, which is an Australian
Christian church, put on thatmusic, turned on all the lights
in the trailer and then I don'tthink I slept the rest of the

(31:10):
night.
The next day I spoke to one ofthe girls who lived there, the
granddaughter of the people whoowned the farm.
She was roughly my age and Ijust sort of very hesitantly,
thinking she was going to laughat me and call me like all sorts
of things, but I just kind ofbrought it in like hey, um has.
So you know, you know that withthe trailer, has anyone ever
had anything happen in there.
And she just sort of looks atme and goes, ah, what did you

(31:33):
bring back with you from NewOrleans?
And I was like, oh you, youbelieve me.
Like no questions, juststraight up, like obviously you
brought something back and I'dnever sort of experienced, I
guess, that acceptance of thesupernatural in that way.
And she goes babe, we're in NewOrleans, we're in Louisiana,
like my best friend has herhouse haunted by a civil war

(31:55):
ghost, like we're surrounded bysome of the most haunted places
in the world.
Horrible shit has happened here.
This is an like a natural partof living in this state.
I was like, okay, so what do Ido?
It's just like, well, I got afriend, he's a witch, I'll get
him to come over and firstly, mybrain's like he's a witch.

(32:17):
What do you mean?
He's a witch, fun fact, whichis a gender neutral term.
I just had no concept of thatat the time.
So he's a witch and he wasgoing to come over and help.
And I was like, okay, well, myprayers didn't work, so let's
try it, he comes in.
At the time I didn't have thevocab for this, so I was just in

(32:38):
there like what the hell doeshe think he's doing?
Watching it all in kind of abit of awe, intrigue, but also a
little bit of judgment inretrospect, I noticed.
So what he did have was apendulum and he was basically
checking the area, askingquestions, and he said, yes,
there is an entity here.
I actually can't get rid of itcompletely, but I can ward the

(33:01):
trailer so you will be safe.
And I was like I don't knowwhat any of that means, but just
do what you got to do.
So he cleansed the space, heput up some wards.
I didn't see his actual processon that, but then I went to bed
that night and I was like, allright, lights on, christian
music on, and I'll just sleeplike that.
So I'm lying in bed and I heard, and I heard like scraping on

(33:25):
the roof of this trailer and mybrain is like, trying
desperately to be like it'swindy.
There is a tree that isbranches on top of the trailer.
That's what it is.
I'm not going out to check,absolutely not.
That's what it is.
And so I convinced myself ofthat, fell asleep.

(33:45):
Next morning I get up and, ofcourse, as I like, walk out,
shut the door, walking away.
I was like do I turn around?
Do I check?
I can't remember if there's atree close enough, do I check?
Because I knew if I checked andthere was a tree there, oh fine
.
If there wasn't, though, anyway, I turned around, had a look no
tree within distance ofscraping on the top, no matter

(34:13):
how much wind there was.
So I was like, oh my goodness,all right, but at least in one
aspect it worked right.
Whatever he did actually didsomething.
The thing stayed outside, itcouldn't get in, and so it
stayed like that for the rest ofthe time I was there.
At the end of my trip I wentback to New Orleans.
There's a.
There was a shop called VoodooAuthentica and I got to chat
with one of the Voodoopractitioners there about it and

(34:34):
was like dude, what can youhelp me?
I don't know what it is, don'tknow why it's here.
And basically, I'd done thisgraveyard tour when I was first
in New Orleans and I wentthrough, you know, all the
garden district, all thesebeautiful old graveyards, which
a lot of them are close to thepublic now.
I was very lucky to see them atthe time and he said you know,
you've got no concept ofgraveyard etiquette.

(34:55):
You're wide open, you're like abig, what are you doing?
And I was like I don't knowwhat I'm doing.
I just I was just absorbingeverything, right.
So he said you're like a little, you know flashlight for
everyone to come and come andfind you.
So he taught me a few techniquesaround you know graveyard
etiquette, giving offerings tospirits, walking in backwards,
walking out backwards, and a fewother things that I have like

(35:18):
taken with me throughout therest of my life.
Like I will never walk forwardsinto a grave.
His reasoning was you nevercame and you never left.
If you walk in backwards, walkout backwards, giving an
offering as you enter and anoffering to any spirit's grave
that you go to visit.
So that was really good advice.
He did some other stuff to helpme out as well.
Fantastic.

(35:38):
And then that had I'd seen thestuff that helped.
So the fear was like, oh, I havea way to control it.
It's this witchy stuff, whatcan I do around that?
And that sort of introduced meto things like cleansing.
That was kind of a good introShielding, protection stuff I

(35:59):
was already very versed in youknow herbal wisdom, so you know
certain teas and things that Iwould use, and I was like, well,
maybe I could use this for aspiritual advantage as well, and
maybe I could read the tealeaves.
That was my very first try atdivination, so I'd had all these
little tiny snippets that bythemselves sort of felt small

(36:20):
enough, but altogether they werereally again that exposure
therapy for me as a recoveringChristian, to move past that
fear and experience a little bitof it and see that it worked.
Or it wasn't what I fearedwould happen, right, wasn't what
I was told would happen.
And you know, buying tarotcards was another huge leap that

(36:41):
took me literally years of itin the back of my head, like
someone speaking into my brainbuy a deck of cards.
I was like I can't, a demonwill jump out at me, a portal to
hell will open up if I touch atarot deck.
Right, none of that happened.
None of that happened.
So now I have like 30 tarotdecks.
So it's just, you know, aexposure therapy be sort of

(37:08):
pushing back on those beliefsthat you were told when you're
young can can really help getpeople through.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Onto the other side, yeah, I feel like I was holding
my breath the whole time.
I was like what happened?
I don't?
I don't know what I would havedone.
I think I would have, like Imean, I guess, if you're in it,
you're in it like there's apoint where it's just what are
you gonna do?
I, I live in North Texas and inthe summers we drive to Colorado
, so we go through New Mexicoand I booked an Airbnb, but it

(37:32):
was the same thing.
It was just like a trailer on afield, kind of that's the first
thing I thought when youdescribed that.
And I remember I walked in andI think I was probably maybe
eight hours drive still from myhouse and I walked into that
place and it felt so wrong.
I got in my car and I was likeI'm just going to drive home,
I'm going to eat the money.
I can't do it, I can't stayhere and I don't know if, like,
that was just me being scared orif there was actually something

(37:54):
there.
But I've learned to.
Whatever it is, I just trust itnow, even though and I think
that's that's part of the thingwith like I mean something like
you experienced where you had asmell, you didn't know, and then
somebody confirmed that.
I think that's very validatingto that experience.
But I think a lot of times itsort of doesn't make sense,
right, and we're kind of justlike well, I don't know, like

(38:16):
I've, mine is clairsentience andit's feeling, and so I feel so
much that it's like but what iswhat you know?
So I've just sort of learned tokind of listen and you know,
maybe I'm just in a mood, maybeit's something deeper, I don't
know.
I'm just going to give it thespace and figure it out, but
that's still a journey in itself.
But yeah, it's so fascinating.
And New Orleans my ex was fromNew Orleans and that's what they

(38:38):
say Like people there aretouched, there's just like.
I love the city of new Orleansbut I don't know that I could
ever live there, because I feellike I would really have to have
those practices to not be soopen, like we would just walk
down the streets and I couldjust feel it.
I mean, you could feel theenergy there.
And I don't think we wentthrough any.
No, actually we did go throughone cemetery, we went through.
Yeah, I did not walk inbackwards, I did not leave

(38:59):
backwards, but I don't know, Ithink we're okay, it's one of my
favourite cities in the world.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
It's beautiful, I love to live there, but just
like short term, yeah, like itfeels there's an air of danger
to it and I don't know if that'sjust the spiritual aspect or
like other aspects of that area.
But I mean, even historicallyit's always been.
You know all sorts of peoplethrown in there because it's

(39:30):
this major like almost like portarea right on the Mississippi.
So you've always had all sortsof people there, which is a
wonderful thing, and it's whyit's so rich in culture.
It's unlike anywhere else I'vebeen in the States, yeah, but it

(39:52):
has a pretty bloody history andthat is like soaked into the
soil in a way.
So it's, it's a wonderful placeabsolutely amazing.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Oh, the architecture, I could just.
I love it, I love it.
It's fascinating.
Yeah, it's like you have alittle bit yeah, I would imagine
that I mean like I that was.
Yeah, I would imagine that Imean like I, that was the one
city.
I haven't done too too muchtraveling in America.
I've done more travelingoverseas than I have here but,
like, of the places I visitedhere, that to me feels more like
Europe, like you can feel thehistory, whereas a lot of places
that's built over it's strippedof the history and you're just

(40:18):
kind of like like DC was closer,because I think that you, you
know, with the civil war and allthat kind of stuff there, and
you could go to these placesthat still held some of those
like homes and and things likethat, but most places, no.
But I definitely feel that withwith new orleans, it's like,
yeah, that history is just likeinside, like this, like the
bricks of that city.
It's really, really interesting.

(40:39):
I mean it's yeah, it is likearchitecture, wise too, I
completely agree it's.
It's fascinating because youhave like French and then
Spanish and then this.
You know it's just like allmashed in but it just like works
but it works.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
It's so good.
Like Queen Anne is likeunderpinning a lot of them, like
it's just so beautiful.
It's intricate.
I think that's the intricatedetails is what I love.
It's colorful.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
It has a soul, it has its own soul colorful.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
It has a soul.
It has its own soul.
A hundred percent, yeah,absolutely yeah.
So one thing I want to talkabout is you were mentioning
that clairsentience.
So this is my specialty area,right psychic senses and psychic
divination.
So I have I have a full-blowncourse on this called the art of
psychic divination, and one ofthe key things.
So there's a couple of keythings.
Number one whenever we'redeveloping our psychic gifts, we

(41:25):
need to make sure that we'rehaving fun.
An element of fun andplayfulness keeps you so much
more open to receiving Then, assoon as you like.
Okay, I'm going to focus reallyhard and I'm going to try and
get this.
That energy doesn't really workwith psychic stuff.
It has to be fun and open.
If you try too hard, you blockyourself.
Doesn't really work withpsychic stuff.
It has to be fun and open.
If you try too hard, you blockyourself.

(41:46):
The other thing is doubt.
As soon as doubt or fear comeup, that will block you as well.
So it's just being aware ofthose things and often doing
shadow work around them as well.
Why are you trying so hard?
Why do you need to get it right?
Why does it matter?
Right, shadow work around.
That will be really helpful.
Why are you scared?
What do you think's what's theworst case scenario that could
happen?
All right, now flip it.
What's the best case scenariothat could happen?

(42:06):
Let's work on that.
So those sorts of prompts arelike foundational base things
before anyone does anythingpsychically.
The next thing I do in thiscourse and it's engineered this
way and you mentioned it beforewas validation.
Validation is so incrediblyhelpful and it's actually

(42:26):
necessary to really develop yourpsychic gifts.
Now, with the course, one ofthe big things I do is I'll have
, like you know, a video or aphoto and I say, okay, here is
three crystals.
I want you to just tune intothem really quickly.
Which one do you think I'mgoing to pick?
And then you know, give it acouple of seconds and then I
pick whichever one.
Right.
But it's not about whetherpeople get it right or wrong.

(42:47):
If they get it right, great.
Why did you get it right?
How did you get thatinformation?
Was it a feeling?
Were your eyes drawn to it?
Did you just like the color?
Was it?
Did you hear it Like?
What was it that made you pickthat one?
That is the crucial information.
I don't care if you get itright or wrong.
We want to know what led you tothat answer and can that be

(43:08):
repeated.
So we do this test in multipledifferent ways throughout
different stages of the course.
Now, if people get it wrong,that's actually better, because
then that tells us moreinformation.
So if someone gets it wrong,usually there's two responses to
that.
Damn it.
I knew it was that one right,which means they had the answer
and they ignored it and theychose something else.

(43:29):
So that's usually intuitioncame in first and then they
talked themselves out of it andrationalised into something else
and then made just a guess.
So that is useful information.
Then we know the next time wedo a little test what is that
very first one.
And oftentimes, when we do likelive ones, like on a live call,
I'll, you know, say right in thecomment when I do the thing

(43:52):
right in first.
I heard this, but then Ithought that because for some
people it is the second one,it's not the first one.
They guess first ones.
They guess the second one'sintuition.
So it just depends the speed ofit coming through for you
personally, and we repeat thisover and over so you can see the
patterns.
And the other time is if peopleare like, oh, I had no idea, it
wasn't like I got it so wrong.

(44:13):
I didn't have any clue it wasgoing to be that.
One and again it's usually wereyou waiting to hear something?
How quickly did you wait untilyou guessed?
Like, what was it?
How did you tune in?
Every now and then people pickthe wrong one because that's a
crystal they probably need towork with at the time.
So it's right for them.
But that wasn't the point ofthe question.
So there's a few little thingsengineered like that that help

(44:35):
people start to tune in.
And when we do these over andover, we start to notice people
going oh, I feel this and I feelthat.
And guess what Clear sentenceis your most you know strongest
sense that you're using becauseyou're feeling everything, or
you know, oh, I saw this, or itmade me think of that, or
whatever it is is going torelate to a different psychic
sense.
We have access to all of them.

(44:55):
We usually preference one ortwo rather strongly, but they
can all work together and itdepends on the type of
information we're trying to getthrough.
I've done, when I've been doinga mediumship reading before and
I felt like all this saliva inmy mouth, quite literally saliva
filling my mouth, and I waslike why?

(45:17):
There's obviously a focus hereon my mouth, right, something
here peels and I was doing allthe mouth things.
I was like what is it?
I'm like it's kind of likesmoking, but that would.
I would smell smoke.
So there's a reason.
It's coming through a differentsense.
Chewing tobacco and the personwas like, yeah, my grandpa used
to chew tobacco all the time andI was like, oh, I've never

(45:40):
chewed tobacco so I wouldn'tknow the taste or the feeling or
anything, but it came throughreally physically in the mouth.
So that's kind of almost ablend of this Claire sentience,
because it's a feeling, but alsoClaire gustance, which is that
sort of taste.
There was an element of itthere, almost like the ghost of
the taste alongside the physicalfeeling of the saliva in my
mouth.
So there's a reason.

(46:01):
Certain ones are used atcertain times for certain bits
of information to come throughand you know we just sort of
have to trust that and figure itout from there.
But the first thing is openingup to it coming in, knowing how
it comes in, how it can come in,knowing which to trust, and
then you can go into well, howdo we interpret that?
What do we do with that?
That's the next half to, or how?

Speaker 1 (46:23):
do we interpret that?
What do we do with that?
That's the next half.
Yeah, yeah, and as you werespeaking, I know when I was
really first exploring it, Iwould like sit and meditate.
I made it very serious.
I sat in meditation, I likecleared my chakras, I would sit
and I would focus and I wouldjust like, oh, I like, I want to
like experience it.
I don't know, like, as you wereasking those questions, I had
quickly going through my head ofwhy did I feel the need to

(46:44):
grasp it?
And I guess, yeah, it'sinteresting.
I guess everybody has adifferent reasoning for it.
So you gave me something tojust journal on later of why.
And then my second question wasgoing to be if we all have all
of it, and you answered thatbecause that's really
interesting.
I mean, I know we have, I knowwe have primarily like a couple
right that we can like sort oflaid into easier than others.

(47:06):
Would you mind maybe just likereally short, like just
overviewing each one so peopleare aware of what different
kinds are?

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, I want to, I will.
I'm just going to segue with alittle tiny story that I think
will be helpful as well, becauseone thing that I'm so
passionate about and I getactually get a lot of pushback
on this we are all psychic.
Every single person is psychic.
We will have.
Some people are naturallygifted at one specific part of
being psychic.

(47:34):
Like you know, they might bemore gifted at this part and not
that part, but we all have theability and everyone's like no,
that's not the case.
I get whenever I say this,people are like I absolutely
reject that.
No, but let me back it up.
I think A some people closethemselves off quite
purposefully, whether that'ssubconsciously or consciously.

(47:57):
B if you're completelyskeptical, even if you do get
something psychic, you're justgoing to think it's your own
idea, like if it's not an optionto you, you will never give
credit to that unless it hitsyou in the face, like it did
with me with the smell of hate,right, and I was already kind of
looking and searching forsomething spiritual.
So the people who were likereally scientific, really, you

(48:18):
know, spock, if Spock had apsychic vision, he would not
think it was a psychic vision,it would be anything but that
that would be the absolute lastresort, right.
So you have people like that.
I do believe they're stillpsychic.
They just either don'trecognize it for what it is,
don't give credit to what it isand think it's something else,
or x, y and z.
Now the other thing is a lot ofus have the wrong words for it,

(48:40):
and this is why, in course,it's one of the biggest part of
it is understanding how thesethings can come through.
I cannot tell you how many ofmy students have been like you
know.
Oh my God, I thought everyonecould do that and it's so normal
for them.
And I'm here going.
No, that's your gift.
So one of the things was when Iwas probably about eight.

(49:05):
I remember being on the beachwith my family and my another
family.
I was with one of my goodfriends and we're building a
sandcastle and as we're buildingit, I got this crystal clear
vision, like in front of myvision, right.
So I could see it happening,even though my eyes were open.
It was almost like a littlemovie screen in front of me and
I got this image of our brothers, our younger brothers, running

(49:27):
and jumping onto our castle andI just sort of went, the boys
are gonna, and just before Isaid jump on it, they ran over
and jumped on it.
So I had like a split second ofknowing it before it happened,
that split second ofprecognition.
And so I went.
I was like mom, mom, she's likeI know I'll go tell them off.
I was like no, no, no, I saw ithappen.

(49:48):
She's like I know he wassitting right there.
I'm like, no, you don'tunderstand.
I saw it before it happened.
I saw what they were going todo.
And she goes, yeah, that's justdeja vu, honey, everyone gets
that.
Now, I know that was just dejavu, honey, everyone gets that.
Now, I know that was not dejavu, but that's what she told me.
She gave me a word for it.
Everyone gets that that's dejavu.

(50:09):
And I went, oh, oh, that's dejavu.
Oh, okay.
So then every time someone elsesaid, oh, I just had deja vu,
I'm like, yeah, I get that too.
It's weird, right, thinking itwas the thing.
And then every time I got aprecognitive vision, even a
split second one, I go, ooh, Ijust had, I just had deja vu.

(50:29):
Everyone's like, oh, yeah, Iget that.
But I was having precognitive,like what I was having was
different to deja vu, like theyshould have been.
Like oh my God, that's reallycool.
How did you get that Right?
That's a clear, a clairvoyantvision of the future, but it
just became a normalized thing.
Everyone does that.
That's nothing special.
So it took a long time tounlearn that one tiny sentence

(50:52):
that's just deja vu.
Everyone does that and Ipromise you, every one of you,
everyone listening, will havesomething like that that you
think everyone can do, that youjust think is normal.
So there's that element to itas well that we have to unlearn
With the psychic senses thereare, there's a few, so we start
with the main ones which isclairvoyance.

(51:13):
That means clear seeing.
That can be literally in frontof your eyes, like I see a
vision like a little moviescreen and I'm physically
looking at it with my eyes.
But it can also be a dream.
A dream is clairvoyance, it's avision, it's a visual image
that we see.
Right, it could be.
I looked at this card.
I'm pulling tarot cards.

(51:33):
I looked at this card.
My eyes are really drawn tothis color or this symbol or
this, that that your eyes aregiving you what you need.
Right, it's giving you thefocal point.
It can also be a mind's eyeimage.
This also works if people havesomething called aphantasia,
which I have and a lot of peopledon't think they have it, but

(51:55):
they do have it.
And this is if you say tosomeone and there's a little
graphic, if you Googleaphantasia, you'll see this
little graphic.
Usually it's like stars or anapple or something like that.
And if I say Google aphantasia,you'll see this little graphic.
Usually it's like stars or anapple or something like that.
And if I say, imagine a red star, so close your eyes, imagine
what a red star looks like, andthen it gives you little visual
options.
Did it look like this, aliteral red star?
Did it look like maybe a blackand white star?

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You got the shape, but youcan't really see the red color.
Or maybe you just saw the redblur but you didn't really get
the shape.
Or is it, you know, just sortof a red something, but there's
no shape to it at all, it's justa bit of a blur.
Or do you just see black?
In my mind's eye?
I just see black, but I canstill get clairvoyant images.
Similar.

(52:38):
The way I describe it is ifyou're reading a novel or
something and your eyes are openand you're reading it and
you're like you know there was apink hill with a purple sky and
you know what that looks like,even though you're not
physically seeing it in yourbrain, your imagination still
works, regardless of physicallyseeing the image in your mind.
That's how I describe somethingthat we call noirvoyance.

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Noir means dark or black, clairmeans clear.
So the clairvoyance is when youliterally see the vision like a
movie Noirvoyance.
I describe it almost like whenyou're watching a film, like
old-fashioned films when theywere, you know it would flick
through the images.
It's almost like you're seeingthat negative in between, when

(53:21):
the screen is black.
But you know what's therebecause you just sort of there's
like like a flash of it.
That's how it feels to me whenI'm doing mediumship and I'm
tuning into someone, whetherthat's digitally or in person I
almost get this noir voyanceimage of the people standing
behind them.
Right, I'm not physicallyseeing them with my eyes, but
they're there, right, I canstill sort of see the essence of

(53:43):
them.
So that is one way thatclairvoyance or that aspect
around the eyes can come through.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
There's clear confidence.
Oh yeah, go on.
I was like I've never heard ofthat before, but I really
resonate with that, especiallywhen you're talking about like
reading a book.
There's so many times that I'mlike, yeah, I can see it, I have
my eyes open, I'm reading.
Or like you get like flashes ofof I can see it, I have my eyes
open, I'm reading.
Or like you get like flashes ofan image of something, even
though you're just like walkingthrough your normal day, but
it's not like I don't know, likea vision.
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Yes.
So it's just a different way,because when people say, you
know they're clairvoyant,they're psychic, they get
visions, they get a concept ofwhat that must mean, but they
don't get the actual like.
no, it can be like this, andthat's what my job is trying to
do, to be like whoa, whoa, whoa.
Let's actually tell you what itreally is, let's get practical.
So we break it down, then we goto clear cognizance and that is

(54:34):
clear knowing.
Now, this is the hardest onefor people because it's the
fastest and it doesn't reallyhave a source.
You're not seeing it.
You're not seeing it, you'renot hearing it, you're not
smelling it, you're not feelingit.
It just is there.
The information is there, sothat one can be a little bit
tricky to develop, because it'skind of one of those ones you
have to just innately have.
If people talk about things likechanneling, often that, I say,

(54:58):
is clear confidence.
So it's just that you know it'sjust coming through quite
quickly.
People who do things like lightlanguage or speaking in tongues
, which I say is quite similar,that kind of relates in with
that.
For me, when I'm looking atspiritual gifts and things like
that, they have this little bitof a link.
When people are painting ordrawing or singing and they're

(55:21):
in the flow of that informationcoming through, I say that's
related to that clear cognizanceand we have clear sentience,
which is a clear feeling, right,and that is sometimes a very
physical sensation like, oh, Ifeel really like my stomach is
twisting and a knot.
This person is lying to me,what they're telling me is not

(55:43):
right.
So that can be like a symptom,a sign of clairsentience, right.
But it can also be similar tothat, like noir voyance, almost
like the ghost of a feeling.
Like I might be, like oh, likeI feel, like my knee feels it
doesn't literally feel painful,but it's like the twinge of
something that could have been apain once, like the ghost of a

(56:03):
pain, something about knees isyour knee hurting?
And then, you know, going fromthere, like that's part of that
clairsentience, that feeling itcan be walking into a room and
going oh, vibes are off in here,right, like what you did with
the trailer.
Yeah, that's that you pick upphysically in your body the

(56:25):
energy around you.
So that's some aspects of ofClaire sentience with Claire
audience that's hearing.
So that can be the song on theradio you think you know.
I wonder how so-and-so is doing.
And then a song that you guyshave as your song comes on the
radio, or perhaps you're againthinking of a loved one who's

(56:46):
passed away and a song comes onthat has.
You know the answer to thequestion you were just thinking
about in the lyrics.
Or the presenter says somethinglike oh, you were thinking of
me, like you know, in responseto what you were just thinking,
you're like what?
Those are some signs of this.
Clear audience is clear hearing, right, anything that comes in

(57:06):
audio wise, but there's alsoagain that almost like internal
ones.
So this one can be tricky.
And this is where meditationreally does help, because when
we meditate, the goal is not toclear your mind.
The goal is to notice what yourbrain does normally, so that
when you do get an intuitivethought that's dropped in, you

(57:28):
can recognize it and go huh,that's not what my brain
normally does, that's that'scome from somewhere else.
And then you can start torecognize when these intuitive
thoughts come in.
Rather than I didn't actuallythink that up, that's not how I.
I don't usually think I need tocall Sarah today, so maybe I
should call Sarah, becausethat's an intuitive thought,
right Like that's wheremeditation can be really, really

(57:51):
helpful.
So that's the clairaudience.
Then there's the clairalience,as we've already talked about
the smell.
There is clairgustance, whichis taste.
So clairgustance, I find it's asecondary sense.
It's not going to be able togive you a lot of information.
But I have had one student whowas their main psychic sense.
She would tune into a card I'dbe holding up a card backwards

(58:13):
and say what's on the other sideof this?
And she'd go this side of mytongue is tingling.
That's usually where like sour.
So I'm going to say like sour,like citrus sort of thing, but
I'm also getting this sweetness,like tart, almost like an apple
.
I feel like it's very fruity,and then we turn it around
there's like apples and lemonson it and you're like what,
right?
So she'd get this reallyinteresting information through

(58:36):
her sense of taste and liketongue mapping and starting to
have this almost like symbollibrary for when it does this
and means this.
So I can trust that for nexttime.
So that's really cool.
Then there is clear tangency.
That's kind of related to clearsentience, because it's about
clear touch, but with this oneit might be.

(58:56):
Let's say you are trying topick a tarot card and you wave
your hands over it and that itfeels warm somewhere.
I'd say that's more cleartangency than it is
clairsentience, right, andthat's why you pick that card.
Or perhaps you're, you know, anenergy worker or someone who
works with like massage, reiki,anything like that.
Perhaps you've got your handsover someone and it feels spiky,

(59:17):
or it feels this and that'sgoing to tell you something,
right?
So those sorts of sensationscoming through the hands and
through touch psychometry isrelated to this one as well.
That's where we put somethingin the hand and we read the
energy of the item.
So that's interpreting throughthe hand, so that in a way
relates in with Claire Tangency,even though it might, tuning

(59:38):
into that, might bring on avision or a sound or a thought
or something else as well.
So they all work together.
Some are stronger than others,but yes, I think that's all of
them.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Yeah, I think I would well, even as you were
describing them, I could noticeor have memories of times in my
life where those like kind ofeven the smaller ones, like I've
never really I don't know thatsmell or taste have really been
a big one, but like the you talkabout, like the palms, I've
definitely done Like it's reallyinteresting to be able to like

(01:00:09):
see how many of these that wehave.
And I think that a lot of peoplewill be like, oh, just trust
your gut, or I just knew, andyou know, yeah, we, we talk, we,
we like brush it off Like it'snothing Right, or but it's like,
yeah, that's amazing, though,like wait, what did it feel like
to you?
You know, like it's really,really fascinated.
I have like sort of twoquestions wrapped up in one, but

(01:00:31):
like have you noticed insomebody's like astrology chart
like where this would be or ifit relates to a specific, like
Claire?
And then the second half ofthat is I don't know if you work
with human design a lot or justare familiar with it, but like,
if like authority or cognitionor anything ties into that as
well, if you've noticed any likecorrelation, so with astrology.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yes, I do notice that people that are on the Cancer
Capricorn axis basically thatpolarity between the two, very
strong clairsentience, verystrong clairsentience.
They're the ones that know whenyou're lying to them.
Don't lie to a cancer, don'tlie to a capricorn.
That's people with those majorplacements, right?
So the big three generally, uh,or if they have a stellium in

(01:01:15):
one of those areas, so, orsomething like that, like a big
area of energy there.
So that is very tangible there.
Virgo, anyone with Virgoplacements, I swear, drawn to
the tarot.
It's a system, it has rules, itis logical.
This means that this, plus thismeans that, like so many,

(01:01:36):
Virgos are drawn to the tarot asa tool for their psychic gifts.
Right, and that's whatdivination is.
It's a tool through accessingthose.
There's many different types ofdivination, but definitely
cartomancy can be a really greatone for people who have ergo.
I mean, pisces is always goingto be the one that people are
like oh, this one's, you know,pisces are going to be the

(01:01:57):
sidekick one, but they'reprobably the one that's going to
be doing the tea leaf readingor the scrying.
You, you know, scorpio isprobably going to do a black
mirror scrying, right, butpisces might be scrying on like
clouds right, they're readingthe clouds or the dreams
definitely dreams, like dreamdivination, right?
So there's a bunch of differentdivination types or psychic

(01:02:22):
abilities that could be comingthrough, different signs and,
depending on how it's made up,and sometimes that does form
part of like, when I'm doing anastrology reading for someone,
if they're curious about psychicabilities, I'll be like, okay,
we've got heavy, you know, lookat elements, earth, air, fire
that's going to tell you a lotas well.
Heavy air elements, we might begetting more of that clear

(01:02:43):
audience, right that comingthrough mentally or the
claircognizance, even right,whereas the earth elements might
be a little bit more tactile, alittle bit more systems-based.
So there's really interestingways we can work with it when it
comes to human design.
So in terms of like things, likebeing a manifestor or

(01:03:04):
manifesting generator or any ofthose, I haven't really noticed
a correlation so much in termsof psychic abilities or anything
.
I mean there's only five types.
There's not a lot of nuance inthat specifically, perhaps in
more like the yes I have in.
I can't remember what it'scalled.
Is it authority?
Maybe it's not a system I use alot of, but the one that has,

(01:03:28):
like the emotional solar plexus.
Yeah, that, for example, that'sgoing to be people that need to
use a slower form of divinationor something like a pendulum
will work really well for them,because they often don't trust
the information that they getthrough or it takes a little bit
slower to come through, so allthey can say can guess

(01:03:49):
themselves a lot.
So having like a way to getinto the body a little bit more
like pendulum works with yourbody.
It your intuition knows, yourbody knows before you know
sometimes.
So that could be related inthere.
I am oh, my goodness this, Iget two of them mixed up.
There's sacral and there isanother one, splenic, which is

(01:04:10):
the one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
I'm pulling up your chart right now well done.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
If I'm splenic, that's the one that's like,
really, really fast informationand it's very intuitive.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
It's, it is the like center for intuition.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Yeah, yes, gut instinct, um, just trusting that
very first thing that comes outright.
Yeah, so that is, you know, gutinstinct, like you feel it, or
you, um, you clear cognizancecan come through as well and you
just trust it straight away.
The other one, which is thesacral, that's the one where I

(01:04:44):
tell people to pay closeattention to what their mouth
says.
So, for example, my, my son andmy brother both have this, and
if I say something like, hey, doyou want to go to the park,
that tells me that's no, andthen they might, might go.
Oh, all right, I'm like no, no,you said no.

(01:05:06):
Or you know like they'll give,like these little grunts.
It's so funny when you noticethese little like glimmers into
what they're actually thinkingbefore their brain takes over.
So, again, pay attention tothat.
So that's coming through thatthroat, that throat again,

(01:05:26):
that's almost like that.
It's quite instant, it's quitequick, but then their brain
takes over and then they choosesomething else.
So I do think that can berelated to that.
Clairsentience meetsclaircognizance, makes
clairaudience, almost allworking together as a little
hive function.
So that's really interesting.
I can't remember what the otherones are off the top of my head
because it's not a system Iwork with a lot, but I have

(01:05:47):
noticed those correlations inthere yeah, and there's like a
layer to human design.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
It's a little bit deeper into it, but it's called
cognition, which is sort of likeas you're talking about these
it just reminded me of it butthere it's smell, taste, touch,
inner vision, outer vision,feeling, yeah, so for me mine is
feeling, which makes sense,that clear sentience yours is
actually touch, so it's likethat tactile which even like
tarot cards and crystals, right,like things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
So I like having a divination method which is a
physical thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Yeah, yeah, it makes sense, and you were talking
about smell before, so that'swhy I like kind of wanted to
check.
So maybe it's smell, smell.
But I've noticed like, yeah,people, there is an element of
that to whatever, I guess likegift that they would have
Because that's what they call itLike that specific part of your
human design, it's like yoursuperpower.
If you can't decide or you'rejust kind of feeling like

(01:06:36):
whatever, it's something thatyou can sort of lean into Like
smell.
If you are looking for a houseor you're buying a house, like
really noticing you're likeyou're going to smell something
nobody else will.
If it smells bad, you can'tcover that up, like it's always
going to smell bad for you andthat's kind of like your way of
knowing that it's not for you.
But yeah, it's reallyfascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
You should, you should.
Actually, you would probablylaugh if you ever watched me
walk through a shop.
My husband picks on me all thetime because I'll walk through
and touch everything.
He's like, can you keep yourhands to yourself?
And I'm like, no, I can't.
What do you mean?
But I'm very sensitive to likefabrics and how things feel, and

(01:07:15):
you know it is a tactileexperience in that regard.
But also to the point like ifsomething is sticky hell.
No, like revulsion, type ofthing type of.
Thing so yes, I think that wouldrelate a little bit with that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
And then using things like cards.
They've got to have a good feelto them yeah, both my you know,
this one feels right yeah, bothmy kids have touch cognition and
I've learned to not say, likeyou know, when you're in the
store, like don't touch that,I'll just.
I'll be like please don't breakit, just put it back, don't
break.
Or if we're going to go intolike a crystal shop, we're just
not going to go.
Well, I'll go alone.
They can't help it.

(01:07:50):
They're always.
It's like the minute you takeyour eyes off them they're like
I have to touch.
Yeah, but my son I noticed himhe'll literally like like he'll
make that noise.
I'm like, okay, but he's a sickgirl too.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
It's funny.
Another funny one with theenvironments in human design.
I found that really reallyinteresting.
So my husband is mountains,right, and I'm caves and I'm
like, oh cute, like caves are inmountains, like that's cute, we
fit together, right.
But he's mountains and I knowthat means, you know, getting a
higher perspective.
He literally works in planes.
He's in the plane every day,like he is high up in the clouds

(01:08:31):
, right.
So that's really interesting.
He absolutely adores it.
I can't think of anything worse.
No, thank you, the plane is toget me to another country, but I
am not, I'm not in that, Idon't like that.
Yeah, so that's been reallyinteresting.
I don't know if you can.
You probably can't see muchwhere I am right now.
This is essentially my cave.
It is it everyone that walksand goes, oh, like I've got this

(01:08:53):
like study space, that it isearthy, it's there is like wood
everywhere there is, like itfeels like there's a.
I've got a big light on when Ido my calls like this, but you
know this dim lighting and itjust feels very cave.
Like I go into a big light onwhen I do my calls like this,
but you know this dim lightingand it just feels very cave like
I go into my little hovel and Iwork away in here and I
absolutely adore it.
It's where I feel safe to dothings.

(01:09:14):
But also when we lookhistorically at people who have
been the, the priest or theshaman, or the, the psychic or
the witch or the person that yougo to for that you know the
oracle, they have been in a caveor they go to a cave to take
their hallucinogens, to havetheir visions from god and bring
it back to the community.

(01:09:35):
So I'm like no wonder I feeldrawn to doing, you know, having
stuff like this and being inthis like cozy, safe space in
order to then give the worldwhat you know the talents that I
have to share with.
So I think that's reallyinteresting in human design.
But I also love all the um thelines.
I can't remember what they'recalled.
I think they're just calledlines.

(01:09:55):
I think they're really fun.
Oh, like the line quality.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah , one.
It's interesting too becauseyou're a one three, right.
So that first line, I mean it'sit.
It is like that it isassociated with caves, but it's
also makes sense that you wouldneed that safety and security,
like whatever the environmentwould be to like.
Yeah, because my daughter she'sa first line, she's a one three
, but she's mountains and we goto colorado in the summer.
She's like the only one thathas no issue, like everybody

(01:10:20):
else is like winded a little bit, or like my parents get it real
bad.
They have to like take oxygenand stuff like that, and I'm
like fine, but her she's justlike what's the problem you?

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
know I've had altitude sickness before.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I wonder that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Wouldn't it be cool to look at people that had that
like what is your environment?

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
yeah, well raw.
So environment actually turnson at your Saturn return, which
is sort of like you'll alwayslike be more inclined towards it
.
But it's that Saturn returnthat you're actually cause.
That's sort of the time, Ithink, that when you I mean
traditionally you've you're kindof making your, your name and
your career, or you're findingwhat you're going to do Right,
so that that puts you in thatenvironment to succeed in life,

(01:10:58):
right, but like if you're a kidand you're sick or something
like that, like you can be putto that environment and you'll
still feel some benefit frombeing in it.
But it really doesn't kind ofturn on until that point but raw
.
The man who downloaded it, hesaid that he like he shores
environment and he's alwayslived on an Island and one point
in his life they moved to likethe mountains and somewhere I
don't know like New Mexico orsomething like that.

(01:11:19):
And he said, like he almostdied, like he got so sick
because he had never been inthat sort of environment.
He just his body couldn't liketake it.
But it is really reallyfascinating and I know every
time, like I just like alwayspick out these little keywords
I'm like huh, I wonder, you knowbut yeah, I also think it's
interesting with that one three,from what I know of it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
The one is kind of like needing all of the
knowledge, or like theinformation, yeah.
And then the three is also likethe I call it like the learning
the hard way.
You got to experience it firstin order to then, you know,
teach about it or share about it, and that explains my life so
perfectly.
I've experienced all thesethings and that is what allows
me to then, or gives me theprompt to, dive deep and learn

(01:12:00):
everything I can possibly knowabout it and then bring it back
to everyone.
So it's really interestingseeing how that comes out in my
life at least.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Yeah, it's really fascinating.
Did you ever have like a pointwhere cause like that first line
it is very like fact-findingand you know, needs a foundation
and things like that but itdoes hold a lot of like
insecurity?
And so I always feel like withespecially with that third line,
and where I think people gettripped up a lot with the third
line, is because we've beentaught like failure is bad and
right.
So it's like we're constantlyfailing.
And then there's this part likedepending, like three, five.

(01:12:29):
I feel like has it, becausethat fifth line is like it's
like the savior archetype, right.
So a lot of people who havethat three five have a lot of
issues because they're justfailing, but yet they want to be
the savior because people cometo them like how do we help,
right, so right.
So I find that dynamic a littlewith that one three as well.
But I know that my daughter's14 and she has the one three and
I just see so much insecurityand so I try and support her,

(01:12:52):
empower her to find her way, andit's not a bad thing if you
fail.
You have to keep trying.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
I think I don't know.
I have a very stubborn strengthand my mom growing up would say
things like you know, don't dothat, because this will happen.
And I'd turn around and say,let me figure it out for myself.
That was kind of that.
If I'm going to do it wrong, Iwill learn.
That way, mum, like I, Ialready understood that about
myself.
I already knew that if I messup, that's how I learn the best

(01:13:22):
and that's part of when I'mteaching any class, any course.
A big part of it is I want youto get it wrong.
That tells you so much morethan if you get it right all the
time.
If you get it right all thetime, you'll just coast through
and you'll never actually learnit.
You need to get it wrong.
So I think that's a bit of aperspective shift on the
constant failure, and it's why Itry to teach my kids as well.

(01:13:42):
Like the outcome is not what Iwant from you.
I want to see that you'regrowing and that you're trying
and you know all of those sortsof things.
So failure is what I want tosee.
Failure that shows me that youactually have to try right.
It's a good thing.
That could be how it comesthrough Insecurity-wise.
I mean, I was in the church,right, it breeds insecurity.

(01:14:03):
So I think I've always put thatdown into the religious trauma
aspect of how that all manifestsin a lot of particularly people
who were assigned female atbirth and how it really.
It breeds insecurity.
It breeds not trusting yourself, not trusting your inner voice,
not knowing who you are,because you become a carbon copy

(01:14:23):
of everybody else becausethat's what you're told you have
to be.
So you know, the amount ofgirls that I knew in youth group
that also had eating disorderswas way higher than it ever
should have been because of that.
And you've got to be this goodgirl all the time, you've got to
be perfect.
So yes, there was that.
Whether that was nature versusnurture, you know there's that

(01:14:47):
aspect to it too.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
But I'm not insecure now, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
I think there's.
You know, that's kind of abeautiful part of aging too, and
I think, especially when you Imean you don't have to like get
into this work, but I think thatthis is empowering in a really
beautiful way and like cause I,I was insecure for so much of my
life and then I've just theolder I get, the like less I
care.
So I'm like you just have to,you can't, you can't live your

(01:15:18):
life like worrying about whatpeople think.
You know, and that's I don'tknow.
Everyone's on their own path.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
but Every time I have worried about what people think
it gets ripped out fromunderneath me.
So I will have a habit and Ihave a Scorpio moon, so this
does happen A habit of being alittle bit secretive about
things I'm doing or like, forexample, the fact that I am a
professional witch andastrologer.
I hid from most of my familyand friends for most of the time

(01:15:45):
that I was doing it because myfamily a lot of them were still
very Christian, still in thechurch didn't want to hurt my
grandparents.
You know all of that.
They found out, they found mysocial media and that rug got
ripped out from under me beforeI was ready for it and it caused
this huge, like, huge familydrama, like.
I'm talking mammoth scale levelfamily drama, and in the end,

(01:16:09):
what it did was it made me go.
You know what?
I don't even care what you guysthink, because I'm so much
happy doing this.
I could never go back, and sothat was a huge learning moment
for me.
I was like why was I evenhiding it?
Why bother?
Right, I was trying to protectthem, and then it ended up
hurting me and that was notworth it.
So why with that anymore?
So anytime I've tried to hide apart of myself, it gets
revealed in a very dramatic way.

(01:16:30):
That then transforms me to alevel of self-acceptance that I
didn't have prior to that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
so, yes, yeah good thing in the end, but, yeah,
forcing it out.
Well, what do you like foranybody that's kind of like
navigating this or or exploringthis?
How can they, or what advice, Iguess, would you have for them,
as they're just sort of likecoming into it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
if they're just coming into it.
I think a lot of people try andjump ahead too quickly and they
ignore the foundations in, forexample, in my course.
I refuse to teach anyone anyform of psychic work or
divination or energy work beforethey've done the basics.
And the basics are grounding.
Make sure you are like you canground as second nature.

(01:17:18):
It's so easy.
You understand it, you know whywe do it, you know how to do it
, you know alternative methodsto do it.
If I say ground yourself,you're like oh done, grounded,
right, like that's what it needsto be.
It needs to be second nature.
If you do not learn that skill,it is going to be rough riding
for you as soon as you startturning on all of those psychic
abilities no-transcript only,unethical, but it's going to

(01:17:56):
drain you very, very quickly.
So grounding, very, veryimportant, shielding, very, very
important right.
So understanding that.
So understanding that.
Meditation really useful skill.
I have raging adhd.
That is not an excuse for notbeing able to meditate.
You can train your brain to doit, but you just have been doing
it the wrong way becauseeveryone thinks you got to sit

(01:18:17):
there and tell your mind to shutup.
That is never going to happen.
Instead, what you do is youfind a form of active meditation
right.
So instead of trying to sitquietly in a corner with your
hands on your knees, you sitdown and do some adult coloring
in.
If you aim to do some adultcoloring in, you know, one sheet
of it once a week is good.

(01:18:38):
Twice a week is great.
Three times a week is probablythe best.
If you do that every week for acouple of weeks, you have
already trained your brain toget into the right brainwave
states for meditation.
Without realizing it, you'redoing something active.
So your brain's kind of focusedon this color and this line and
get it in there.
It will naturally be easierthen for you to do a short

(01:19:00):
two-minute meditation whereyou're sitting still than it
ever was before.
You can slip into it, right.
You can be coloring and thenjust stop for a minute and then
color again.
You could put timers on, youcould gamify it.
That's a really great way toget through it, and it doesn't
have to be adult coloring, itcan be weeding.
Weeding is a really great wayto both ground and active

(01:19:21):
meditate at the same time.
Running forms a part of activemeditation.
Pottery is fantastic.
Pottery is really good on apottery wheel, right.
But again, super grounding,super tactile.
So there's all these likemethods you can do to work
yourself up and to build thatmuscle, to train that meditation
muscle.
Once you are doing that, youare so much better primed for

(01:19:42):
receiving the information,accessing that information when
you want to develop your skillsright.
Then you go into the nextlevels up.
So you've got to really focuson those foundations.
Not as exciting, I understand,but you'll have far easier time
of it when you get down the road.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Yeah, so do you wake up in like ground and shield
just like consistently everysingle day?
Is that just like kind of turnson for you at this point, or?

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
no, I don't consciously go.
Oh, I'm awake, I better ground,um, but it's especially because
mornings are not my nights aremy strong suit.
Yeah, mornings, uh, but I meanmost of the time I'm woken up by
a kid being like go like mum,the TV fellow, like something
crazy, right, and you're likelike straight into life.
Yeah, so usually what I do if Inotice that I'm ungrounded in

(01:20:34):
any way, depending on thescenario, right, if I'm just
going about my day, then I'll belike okay, I'm just going
outside for a minute, I'mgetting sunshine on my skin, I'm
feeling the air.
It's more of a like sensorygrounding aspect.
If I'm, you know, really,really ungrounded, then I will
do an actual like grounding,visualization, the roots coming

(01:20:54):
down, going into the earth, etcetera.
If I'm doing any form of energywork, I'm grounding before I do
that.
For example, my daughter washaving a real hard time
yesterday, really really hardtime, meltdown era hard time and
I asked her to lie down.
We're going to do some crystalhealing if she wanted to.
Yeah, she's a Pisces, she lovesthat stuff.
Almost immediately she was likeenergy shift, just giving her

(01:21:18):
something else to do Lies down,I placed crystals on her and
around her and then it was doingsome energy clearing for her.
She, her energy shifted.
But before I did any of that,before I picked the crystals, I
did a very quick visualizationto ground myself and I knew that
the more grounded I was, themore grounded she was she would
be feeding off my energy.
So that's kind of like I'll doit situationally as well, as if

(01:21:41):
I'm doing readings for people,if I have to do a quick one, if
I'm doing like 20 readings in arow, which I do on my group
calls, I will sit down, put myfeet on the ground.
I imagine little hooks justinto the carpet and boom, my
energy is suddenly at my feetwhich shoots the energy down.
If I'm doing lots of readings,I can feel the energy rising,
like my face gets hot.
It's like it's coming up out ofme.

(01:22:02):
That's when I'm like, nope,little hooks under my feet,
they're hooked into the carpetand it just like shoots it down.
It shoots my awareness down tomy feet.
People who are Pisces getungrounded a lot, a lot of
Pisces energy.
So giving yourself a footmassage or something like that,
pisces rules the feet, but italso is super, super grounding.
Clearing energy as well is bigCleansing.

(01:22:31):
Those sorts of things form partof those foundational aspects
understanding how to do thatright, how to do it the right
way.
That can be very helpful,because sometimes we encounter
people, things, that we don'twant to stick around on us, so
we need to know how to get ridof it before we open up that.
Yeah, in a non-scary way.
That door is just if you don'tknow it and if you don't know
what to do about it, then itfeels scary.
Yeah, if you've got the tools,you're like oh, this isn't easy,

(01:22:52):
right, so building those skillsis really, really important
yeah, makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Well, thank you so much.
This has been fascinating.
I mean, like your stories, I'mjust like I was so glued to it.
It's so interesting how canpeople find you and then, and
how can they work with you, howcan they take your class, your
course.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Yeah, so at suburbanwitcherycom super easy,
and I am suburban witchery onpretty much all of the social
media platforms as well.
I have a YouTube channel tonsand tons of content there that
people can access.
If you want to explore yourtarot skills, there's a playlist
of all my tarot videos of, likeyou know, tarot spreads for
beginners.
You know frequently askedquestions about tarot, all of

(01:23:31):
that Like.
There's tons of free, helpfulstuff and I even have a class on
my website that's free and it'scalled Tarot for Protection.
So if you want to learn how toprotect yourself better and
those protective skills, thosewitchy skills, and use the tarot
to do it, that is an excellentclass to take.
My course, the Art of PsychicDivination that one is also
accessed on my website.
There's a little section thatsays courses so people can just

(01:23:53):
quickly click on that and it'lltake you through there and that
one.
It's all set up so there's likean app.
It's through Kajabi, so you getthe Kajabi app and it only
releases the modules on a dripbasis so you cannot speed
through it.
I don't want anyone speedingthrough it.
I am forcibly slowing you downso you have time to absorb the
information.
And then it also works forpeople with ADHD, because you

(01:24:14):
kind of forget about it.
And then it's like oh, newvideo.
You're like, oh, this is newand you know you can jump into
it again.
And if anyone takes the coursefor every module that you finish
, I plant a tree on your behalf.
So it's like, and you get alittle badge.
So it's like working with thosedopamine levels as well.
So I've tried to cover allbases with it and it will take

(01:24:34):
you through all the psychicsenses similar today but way
deeper.
Also, we do all sorts ofdivinations.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
So astrology, palmistry, scrying, tea leaf
reading, reading all the thingsare super I love it, yeah, and
even just like going throughyour instagram and your youtube
page like you make it.
You make it fun, right?
You like make it.
Like you bring, yeah, you bringthat energy into it, which is
nice, because a lot of it can bevery serious, like we talked
about before.
It's like I must do this, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
I always get surprised.
There's a lot of witches outthere, especially the ones that
come across as very aesthetic,and I watch that.
I'm like it's so serious andlike it takes all the fun out of
it if you have to set upeverything for that little clip
Like I don't know.
Just my little videos aresometimes just.
My cat is sitting on my desk,which is so real life, whilst

(01:25:26):
I'm editing a podcast episodeand I pretend that you know.
If you have any complaints, youcan come and see my cat about
it, like it's just silly andreal life, stuff because I don't
have time to make it allaesthetic.
Yeah, but that's just the kindof person I am, like silly, it's
accessible, it's fun.
I don't want people to feelscared the way I used to feel
scared, because it's really notscary.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
It's amazing the stuff that we can access and
find out about.
Yeah, well, definitely everyonelistening go check it out,
because I know that is a huge.
I mean, even that, even in myjourney, right, that fear has
been something I've really hadto overcome and it, you know, I
think it's a part of it, but italso doesn't have to be so big.
But, yeah, thank you so much.
This has been such a goodconversation.

(01:26:06):
Thank you for having me Welcome.

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