July 3, 2025 • 59 mins
This week spoke with Meaghan Dunham, business mentor and astrologer, all about emotional intelligence.
In this episode, Meaghan and I talk about:
- From music teacher to marketing to Astrologer
- Astrology is the permission slip to be
- Elements of the moon
- Working with the moon in business
- Mercury and the moon
- The importance of emotional intelligence
- Using the transits in astrology
- The birth chart and Ayurveda
- Midheaven and the 10th house
- Post Saturn return
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Rochelle Christian podcast,
formerly the Emotional Masterypodcast.
I'm Rochelle, your host.
I'm here to help you come backto your body, take charge of
your emotions and live life onyour terms.
This podcast is a space for raw, real conversations about what
it means to trust yourself, leaninto your power and create a
life that feels aligned andalive.
(00:24):
We'll explore human design,astrology and other tools to
help you understand your uniqueenergy.
More importantly, though, we'regoing to talk about what it
means to actually live andembody these aspects.
So each week, I'm going to sharestories, lessons, guidance to
help you navigate life'schallenges and really own your
magic.
So if you're ready to step up,take control and show up as the
(00:46):
most authentic version of you,let's begin.
Today I have Megan Dunham, whois a business mentor and
astrologer, and we're going toget into all things astrology
and emotional intelligence whichI find so fascinating.
I absolutely love to dig intothings from that lens.
So, just to start, if you areopen to sharing a little bit
(01:07):
about your human design and yourastrology and anything that you
feel really kind of maybe madesense as to like the path that
you got on, and then just yourstory, like as much or as little
as you'd like to share um anypivotal moments.
That sort of got you whereyou're at today and we'll go
from there.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Sounds good.
Okay, so it's a long story.
Of course, everyone has a longstory, right.
But I'll start at the beginning.
When I decided that I was goingto go to college, I thought that
I was going to be a teacher.
That's what I always wanted tobe, ever since I was little.
I have pictures of myself atlike seven years old, sitting at
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an old like student's desk thatmy grandparents had at their
house and pretending to be theteacher.
Right, so that was like mydream.
So I went to school foreducation and I became a music
teacher and I was a musicteacher for a number of years
and it was so joyful andsatisfying.
I loved the kids.
(02:06):
I worked in elementary school.
Uh, but my last year I gotreally sick and I had to have my
gallbladder removed and I beganto realize that a lot of the
reason why I was feeling so sickwas because I had so much
stress.
I would stay up late at nightworrying about some of my kids
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and where they were and who wastaking care of them, and you
know, it was just.
It was really hard.
It was really hard.
I didn't feel like I had thesupport from my administrators
all the stories that lots ofteachers tell right.
So the final straw for me, Ithink, was when I got really
sick and I was only offered oneweek of time to take off after
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my surgery.
And I'll never forget comingback to school and having the
kindergarten nurse come to myclassroom because I was a music
teacher.
I saw all the kids in theschool and one of the teacher
their teacher said to all thekids OK, I know you want to give
her a hug, but you can't rightnow because you know she, she
has a hurt belly and just theamount of care that we had to
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take in explaining the wholesituation to the kids and I just
felt heartbroken and that wasthat was kind of it for me, and
that was kind of it for me.
So I decided that I was going tomove on from teaching and see
if I could find something elsethat could fulfill me and still
offer me that opportunity to bea teacher, but in a way that
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didn't require me to lose myphysical well-being, lose my
physical health.
So I began in corporate, in thecorporate space, and I thought,
oh well, maybe this will bebetter because you know I'll
actually be able to go to thebathroom when I want to and take
breaks, um, and ended upworking, as I think a lot of
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people experience a somewhattoxic corporate environment, and
then I just realized that theonly way that I was going to
really make this thing my ownwas, or this experience my own,
was, by being an entrepreneur,and so I began teaching people
about marketing because I knewthat that's what I could do
(04:18):
right, having worked incorporate marketing, and in 2017
, I had my astrology chart readfor the first time, and I
realized in that moment that allof the things that I didn't
like about myself, all of thethings that I thought were wrong
, quote unquote with me, wereactually parts of myself that I
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could see reflected in myastrology chart, and I no longer
felt like they were a burden.
I all of a sudden felt like adoor had opened and the
possibility of me facing thosethings that I didn't necessarily
like about myself it just felteasier and more approachable,
(05:03):
and so that kind of led me onthe path of my spiritual
awakening.
I got my yoga teachercertification in 2019, and I
started to incorporate thosethings into the work that I did
and, as someone who hasexperience as a teacher and
someone who has experienceworking in the social and
emotional learning space, I feltthat using those tools to help
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people better understandthemselves through their
astrology chart in my one-to-onecoaching just felt like a
really natural fit, and sothat's where I am today.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, I resonate so strongly with just the first
time I saw for me myintroduction to like that sort
of world was human design.
And very shortly after, becauseastrology is a huge part of that
right, it was kind of astrology, but I remember the same thing.
When I saw my chart I was like,wow, everything I think is wrong
with me isn't it's only becauseI'm resisting it, I'm trying to
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fit into this box that I'm notmade for was the most liberating
thing ever.
I mean, of course, there was somuch work after that to really
accept it, because then you haveall the conditioning and the
you know subconscious beliefsand like that's still a journey.
But to have something that Ifelt like I could come back to
and have the languaging of like,oh, this is what it is, you
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know, I don't have to be this, Ican just be this.
It's so powerful and you know,kind of like you, I feel like
that was the thing.
That helping other people seethat and have that same
experience was like the driverfor me too, so it's so beautiful
.
What in your chart do you feellike, or was there anything that
really spoke to specificallylike the emotional aspect of it
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for you?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Um, I think learning about my moon sign was really
important for me.
I, when I was young, I wouldread horoscopes and you know 17
magazine and all those things.
Maybe I'm dating myself I don'tknow.
And I'm an Aries moon, but I'm asorry, not an Aries moon.
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I'm an Aries sun but a Taurusmoon, and so those two energies
are very opposite from oneanother.
And so I would always read theAries horoscope because I knew
that I was an Aries sun and Inever fully resonated with that
energy talking about being afighter and picking fights and
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being aggressive, and I just wasnever that type of person.
And it wasn't until I learnedabout my astrology chart that I
learned that I had my moon andmy Venus and Taurus, and those
are two really powerfulplacements and also my south
node is in Libra, and so there'sa lot of this like Venusian
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energy that surrounds me and theway that I interact with the
world, and it helped meunderstand who I am and be more
accepting of the more assertivepart of myself, that is, my
Aries North Node and my AriesSun.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, I'm like sort of flipped in that way, like the
same energies.
I'm a Taurus sun and a Leo moon, so for me and I have a Leo
rising, so kind of that samething where I felt like, yeah, I
did embody some of thatgrounded energy, but I felt this
like fire that was always likeburning inside.
So I was like my emotions weresuper dramatic, like a lot of
the way that I did things waslike fast, and so I really
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resonate with being a Taurus,but at the same time there was
just this piece that I was likebut but what about this little
like fiery part of me?
Like I felt like I constantlysuppressed that.
So it's sort of the same thing.
And then I also have my I thinkwe're born the same year because
I have my North node in Aries,my South node and libra, as well
as like all that.
Like that, um, you know, likefor me, being leo rising to like
the sun and taurus and thenvenus, I feel like that whole
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like little you know you can godown that rabbit hole are so
fascinating, right, but itreally is so prominent to like
the experience.
But yeah, it's, it's sofascinating just to see, like
how these little pieces show usand and how we resist that part
of ourselves.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, yep, yeah.
I mean I'm a Capricorn risingtoo, so I have a lot of earth, a
lot of earth, but I didn't knowthat I had that earth.
I always assumed that I wasjust a fiery person that was
living inside of a body thatdidn't necessarily feel fiery
all the time.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
So how can we, you know, whatever our moon sign is,
if we're looking from that lenslike, lean into that or
understand that in a way to helpour, you know, emotional world?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah.
So it's so funny that I'mtalking about this because I'm
actually leading a workshop sooncalled the Head and the Heart,
which is about our Mercury andour moon sign and how they can
work together.
I think that that is the maybethe first gateway that people
can take as they're learningmore about astrology is their
moon sign, because it's such a,it's such a personal placement,
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right, it's our subconscious,it's the way that we see
ourselves, it's our inner voice,it's our emotions and the way
that we react to things.
And I think that, um, just likeyou said, you you knew you had
that little fire inside of you,but you didn't know exactly
where it came from, and then yourealized you were a Leo moon
and it gave you the, the um,permission to express that part
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of yourself.
And I think that that is areally important key to healing
perhaps some of the trauma thatwe've experienced, or to
deconditioning is to understandour moon sign, because that in
you know, within our deepestself, is who we are and how we
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interact with the world, um, andand how we react to things.
So if we know that we react bypulling back and dissociating,
like a Taurus moon, perhaps thenit gives us the opportunity to
build guardrails and to build insystems that we can use so that
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, when we are reacting tosomething in our environment, we
already know how to anticipatethe way that we're going to
react.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Can you maybe just describe, like maybe elementally
, how each of us would kind oflean into that?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, so from an elemental perspective, we have
four elements in astrology.
We have the earth, which isTaurus and Virgo and Capricorn
right.
We have the fire, which is theLeo and the Aries and the
Sagittarius.
We have the air, which isAquarius, Gemini and Libra.
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I'm trying to think on thechart.
And then we have the water,which is Cancer and Scorpio and
Pisces.
So all of those different, weall have different ways of
acting based on those elements,right?
Of course, each of the zodiacsign represents or manifests in
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a different way according to theelement, but they're all fairly
similar.
If we think about water, forexample, water is very deep and
I think that most people thinkof our emotions when they think
about water.
So someone with a Cancer moon,for instance, is going to be a
highly emotional person, ahighly deeply feeling person,
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because if you think about waterand the ocean, it holds so much
, and so knowing that aboutyourself, knowing that you might
be more sensitive, moreintuitive, more in tune with the
energy around you, could giveyou the opportunity to build in
systems that support that extrasensitivity that you might feel
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in times when you're feelingtriggered.
Likewise, someone who is an airmoon that is more of an
intellectual reaction.
So, in the same way that theearth is logical and so can
dissociate, I think that theintellectual moons can also
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dissociate because they'retrying to piece apart what
happened and trying to makesense of it, and that can feel
really draining and exhausting.
So, knowing that about yourselfperhaps you're an Aquarius moon
, knowing that you like todissect experiences that you
have and and have an answer forwhy something is the way that it
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is you could try to soften thata little bit and realize that
you're not always going to havethe answer.
And so what can you build inthat supports you when you have
those moments where you're notquite sure exactly what's
happening?
And then you have the firemoons, so, like an Aries moon,
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of course, fire is known formoving very quickly and for
generating a lot of heat.
So people who have fire moonsoften react very quickly to
situations, and sometimes thereaction can be overblown or can
be larger than perhaps itneeded to be at the moment.
But that's just the way thatpeople with fire moons are.
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And so, understanding that yourreaction might be big and
impulsive, what can you do tobuild in systems to support you
in those moments, so that you'renot running around, you know,
trying to put out all themetaphorical fires, and you're
not feeling like you're notfeeling really angry or really
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frustrated in that moment.
The dissociativeness of an earthmoon comes from the fact that
they're in the same way that airmoons, I think, are trying to
find an answer.
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Earth moons do as well.
But there's this sense oftrying to keep your feet on the
ground during a crisis.
And I noticed that about myself, that when other people are
kind of spinning out around me,that I'm always the one who's
kind of bringing people backtogether and trying to chart the
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way forward, and that can feelvery overwhelming, because
sometimes I want to spin out butI don't feel like I can because
I'm the one who has to kind ofhold everyone's feet to the
ground.
And so, knowing that aboutmyself, then what are the things
that I can do to support myselfwhen I need to have that
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opportunity to actually justrelease?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
that energy.
Yeah, I love that.
I haven't heard it put that waybefore.
I am someone who, for somereason, constantly attracts
Capricorn moons.
And I'm like we are so notcompatible emotionally just
because I'm so dramatic, butI've I've learned to like love
them because they so they're sogrounded Right, but maybe, like
you said, it's because they feelthis obligation to like hold
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that that they can't like getwrapped up in their own stuff,
but I'm like just meet me here,come here be dramatic with me
and they're like what is wrongwith you?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, there's a sense .
There's definitely a sense ofobligation.
I think that comes with all ofthe earth science.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
How can we like, when we're looking from the lens of
you know business because Ithink, specifically,
entrepreneurship is this everevolving journey of
self-discovery in order to likebe in it and like, remember,
like why you're doing it, causeit's challenging.
But how does that, you know,how can we work with,
specifically, that moon energyand like whatever way that shows
up in our business, because Imean it's, it can be super
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emotional, right, and learningto like separate that while
staying authentic is kind of achallenge.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, and I would challenge people to think about
it, not in the way that you'reseparating things right, because
as an entrepreneur, you reallycan't separate the personal from
the professional.
Yeah.
But what I would say is thatentrepreneurship is the deepest
way to get to know yourself.
It's the best course that youcan take in self-development,
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and the more you know aboutyourself, the more successful I
think you will be.
And so when I when I look at it, you know, from the perspective
of your moon specifically is Ilook at what does your moon sign
desire and then what can you doto create that desire inside
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your business.
So, going back to my moonplacement, I have my Taurus, my
moon and Taurus, so that meansthat I desire stability.
So how do I create stability inmy business?
Maybe that means that I createmonthly recurring revenue,
because that helps me understandevery month that I'm going to
be receiving the same amount ofmoney and therefore it gives me
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the stability I need to be ableto branch out and do other
things.
Leo moons need creativity, right.
So how can you build creativityinto your business?
How can you build in?
Um, you know, maybe you do newseasonal offers every once in a
while and you try this, that andthe other, and you keep things
fresh, because that's what yourdeepest desire is as a Leo moon.
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Yeah, maybe as a Gemini moon.
You know, you love learning,and so how do you add in those
opportunities for learning newthings and incorporating the
things that you've learned intothe way that you're structuring
your business and the way thatyou're interacting with your
clients and your audience?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, I love that.
How do you?
So, going back to sort of likeyou said, you're doing that
workshop on, like Mercury andthe moon, which I find is so
fascinating because I've oftentried to or like just in
understanding those.
My Mercury is in Taurus as well, and then my moon is in Leo.
So it's like there's all thisfire, but then I'm feel like I
have to communicate it in thislike really grounded, practical
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way, and sometimes the ideastake a while to like percolate
right to the point where I feellike I can communicate them.
Um, so how are you like pairingthese two together and like how
does that work for us?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
so I haven't fully formulated the workshop yet, but
I am reading a book that is.
That has been very helpful forme to understand the
relationship between those twoplanets, especially when you
have a Mercury placement and amoon placement that feel like
they are not working together.
So I think that the first thingto recognize is that you know,
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we all have dissonance in ourchart.
It doesn't matter where it is,and the more we can understand
that the dissonance is a placeof growth and a place for
curiosity, the easier it becomesto begin to integrate those
things together together.
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So obviously, I think,particularly as women, it can be
difficult for us to work withour head and our heart, because
our head sometimes I think moreoften than not feels like it's
fighting against our heart.
So I think that's why it can bereally important to understand
what it is that those what, whatfight are they having?
What it is that you know, whatare those conversations that are
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being um, that are being putforward.
So for me, for instance, mymercury is in pisces and my moon
is in torus, so they're bothvery slow moving, and so what
does that mean?
Um?
But then it's the water and theearth right, and so the water
and the earth together can meanthat I have a really hard time
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moving things forward, that Istew over them before I bring
them to life, and so in thatsense I'm seeing, okay, what are
the?
And I look at this from theAyurvedic perspective as well,
because I study- Ayurveda.
And when I think about theelements of water and earth, I
think about mud.
And what happens with mud isthat there's this kind of like
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you get stuck and then it'sreally hard to move out of that.
It's almost like quicksand ifyou let yourself sit in it for
too long, but mud is also verycooling and very soothing out of
that.
It's almost like quicksand ifyou let yourself sit in it for
too long, but mud is also verycooling and very soothing.
And so I have to kind of comeat it from a multi-lens
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perspective of, okay, well, Irecognize that it could take me
a little bit longer to makedecisions because I'm, you know,
I have all these things movingaround in my head and my heart,
but once I actually do bringthose things to life, here are
the qualities that I canenshrine in those ideas, in
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those services, in thoseofferings that are going to
bring forth the best of me, andthe best of me might be this
really grounding and supportiveenergy.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, I love that and I liked what you said about
there's always a part of ourchart that holds some dissonance
right, and I think that's thebeautiful part about really
getting to understand youthrough the lens of your chart,
because I think, just as humans,we're always going to
experience that on some level,right and and, of course, like
our conditioning and just allthese messages of like.
You know, especially, like yousaid, the fight between like the
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heart and the head, right Oflike.
This is what I think, or this isthe thing that's been
conditioned in here, but thenthis is what I truly like desire
and what I want and being ableto like have those meet
somewhere in the middle.
You know, and I think I meanemotional intelligence is I was
just having a conversation withsomebody and it's it's just, I
think it's one of the mostimportant things that we can do
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for ourselves, like even youknow, I mean even for me like
having a fire moon, like I'm sodramatic, but like learning,
learning to like take that pause, and it's not to like stop what
I'm feeling or stop myexperience, but it's to like
like see myself through it, ifthat makes sense, you know, and
so I think that's like the powerof.
But before I knew I had a Leomoon, I was like I can't be this
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dramatic, like I can't be, Ican't have these intense
emotions Like it's just wrong.
Right, and I think that's thebeautiful thing is being able to
step back and be like no, it'snot wrong, it is what it is and
also like how are we going tomove through this?
So I think that you know,combining that you know with
business I think is so powerfuland I've, and I feel like I had
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like a reading with somebody whohe was a Capricorn moon but he
was like super successful, likebusinessman, you know, and like
he would tell me about thesesituations where people would
come into his office just likeall heated and things like that,
and I'm like that Capricornmoon is so beautiful in that
situation because you're notbeing like pulled into the
emotional world, that thatstability of the earth moon was
so like I could see it playedout, where he would just like
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respond to people as like okay,and how are we going to move
through this, but people wouldwant him to fight.
People come in looking for anargument or looking for a fight
and I think just understandingthe dynamics of all of that is
so cool to watch it being playedout and having that emotional
intelligence to know not to getsucked into it, because I think
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without it we're veryreactionary.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yes, yeah, I think as humans, especially living in
such a chaotic time, it is veryeasy to react just at the flip
of a hat and not take anyresponsibility for your reaction
.
And I think that is whereemotional intelligence comes in,
and particularly understandingyour innate qualities or your
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innate impulses through yourastrology chart can be super
helpful.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Is there anywhere else in our chart besides, just
like the moon, that we can lookat to understand or to work with
this part of ourselves?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I think, yes, I think that each part of our chart can
help us understand ourselves ina different way.
I think that another part ofour chart that speaks to the
depth and the subconsciousnesswould be our Neptune placement.
And Neptune is a generationalplanet, which means that people,
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within a certain period of time, are all going to have that
same placement.
So people who were born aroundthe same time as me are going to
have their Neptune andCapricorn, and one of the things
that I find so fascinating I'veread dozens of charts at this
point and a lot of people havecome to me, have had their
Neptune and Capricorn andthere's this deep sense of
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responsibility for charting anew way forward that I see in a
lot of these people who come tome with placement, particularly
as it relates to oursubconscious and healing our
subconscious, healing our innerchild, healing our, you know,
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doing the shadow work, and thatcan feel like a really heavy
burden, and I see it in a lot ofpeople's faces when they come
and have readings with me, and Ithink it's important to
recognize that.
One of the beautiful thingsabout Neptune is that it allows
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you to go really, really deep,but one of the hard things about
Neptune is that, because ofthat depth, there is often a
desire to stop and just kind oflook away.
It's too hard, and I think Iwould encourage people to.
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When we're thinking about doingthe work the emotional
intelligence work, the shadowwork, the inner child work, the
emotional intelligence work, theshadow work, the inner child
work Don't push yourself toohard.
I think that is a trap thatpeople fall into, especially
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women, who are conditioned to doit all and be it all.
Take baby steps, don't feellike you have to get to the end
as quickly as possible.
This is a process, it's ajourney, and it's more important
to experience the full um rangeof emotion that comes through
the journey rather than beingfocused on the destination.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, I think that's really important and it's
something that's so hard to likereally be in.
You know, especially, I don'tknow if it's just all my fire
energy, but I'm like no, I wantto be there now, Like I know, in
the beginning of my journey.
That's why I was likeno-transcript that piece of my
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chart.
So it's interesting that youbring that up and I think that,
especially with that Neptune andCapricorn doing the depth and
doing the work around, work, Iguess, with Capricorn, and then
that need or the possibility, Iguess, of escaping it, Right,
it's like, it's like I don'tknow.
I mean obviously likeaddictions and burnout and
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disassociation and avoidance andall those things that can come
with that energy towards workmakes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, and I think that it's important to remember
that this is a collective energyand so it's not one that you
have to.
It's not a journey that youhave to go on by yourself.
Yeah, that there are a lot ofpeople within your same
generation who are experiencingthe same thing, that you are, of
course, you know, withindifferent houses and that sort
of thing.
Um, knowing that this is acollective journey, um, I think
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help can help, um us reallythink about how we rewrite those
stories yeah, do you work witha transist?
I do ish.
I am more of a birth chartreader, so okay.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, oh, I sorry.
I was like I heard the siren wehave.
I'm in Texas so they put offthose sirens like at noon on
Saturdays and so I was like whatis happening?
I know there's not a tornado, Iforgot, I don't know if you
could hear it.
I did it distract me for asecond.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I heard it just a little tiny bit yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
It'll pass.
That's so funny.
I heard it just a little tinybit yeah, it'll pass, that's so
funny, yeah.
But as far as like the transits, I'm always curious, just, I
mean, I I work with them in thesense of like, I use it a lot
for reflection, I I find that Ican't like, I like, I track them
and I know what's coming, butit's never until I'm past it
that I can actually have the thelike perspective of like.
(30:41):
Oh that's what was happening inmy life.
That's why, you know, I likesaying for me Uranus has been on
my son, which I don't know whatdegree your moon's at, but I'm
sure Uranus has been passingover it at some point in the
last what eight years orsomething like that, but it was
literally just.
I mean, my son is at 24 degreesof Taurus, so it's been like
hovering over that for a whileand I like recently quit my nine
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to five and it's in my 10thhouse.
So I like quit my nine to five,I was like I'm burning it all
down, like I can't do thisanymore.
And then afterwards I was like,oh shit, that's maybe like I
let the pressure of that likeget to me.
But you know it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, yeah, I, um, I my um, I um, I my um.
My home and roots is in inTaurus as well.
Um, so I got married, and so Ithink that for me, that was like
the huge shift and change forme was that I always, I never
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thought I was going to findsomeone um to be with for my
entire life.
I was.
I was this kind of likefiercely independent woman,
eerie, son, right and um.
Then, in 2022, I met my husbandand it was like just kidding,
yeah, so, for sure, I love that,I love that.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So you bring in a little bit of, like those
ancient modalities, right, like,are you veda and things like
that?
How like?
How do you work, or do you workwith that, with clients?
Like, as you're reading a birthchart, are you taking into
consideration those things andhow do you, how do you weave
them in?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, so we we take a look at for Ayurveda
specifically, we take a look attheir elemental composition in
their chart.
Do they have a lot of earth?
Do they have a lot of fire?
And what I've noticed is,depending on their elemental
composition, it can often tellme what their Ayurvedic
constitution is.
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And if you're not familiar withthe Ayurvedic constitution, in
Ayurveda there are five elementsinstead of four.
So it's still earth, water,fire, fire, air, but um.
Then there's another one calledspace or ether, and those four
elements are comprised, or umthey're, they create three
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different doshas is what we callthem and um.
Basically, what happened is thatthese ayurvedic scholars,
thousands of years ago, theywere, uh, looking at nature and
they were observing what washappening, and they noticed that
the combination of elementscame together in three very
distinct ways.
The first is kapha, which isearth and water.
The second is pitta, which iswater and fire, and the third is
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vata, which is air and space.
And what I can often see insomeone's chart is if they have,
for instance, a lot of fire,then they're definitely a pitta.
Like there's no, especially ifone of their big three is in a
fire sign.
More often than not, when we gothrough the Ayurvedic quiz and
we learn a little bit more abouttheir lifestyle.
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They're, for sure, a pitta,their lifestyle, their
frusciapitta, and so then thatreally kind of helps me from a
coaching perspective to helpthem build in guardrails for,
you know, where they may sufferburnout or where they may get
stuck or where they maydissociate, or where they may
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start something but never wantto finish it, and I think it's
just one extra tool that isreally supportive in helping not
only me but also my clientsunderstand more about themselves
.
The really neat thing aboutAyurveda, too, is that it moves
with the seasons.
So we right now we are at theend of Vata season, the
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beginning of Kapha season, andso what does that mean as far as
the transition of energy, andhow does that impact a person
who is Kapha, or how does thatimpact a person who is Vata or
Pitta?
See how you know I can, I helpmy clients see how that energy
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might be more supportive duringcertain times of year to, you
know, launch something, or tocreate more space in their
business, or to even go onvacation and just let themselves
live for a couple of weeks or acouple of days or whatever they
need, and I just find that theintersection of those modalities
can be really extra supportivein creating a business that
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feels more energetically alignedfor the people that I'm working
with.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
How do you find ether in a birth chart?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
so that is a hard one , but I think that most of the
time when I see someone has alot of air placements in their
chart, it points to them being avata um, so there really is not
necessarily a something thatcompletely translates to ether
um, but I would say that the andI think it's interesting too,
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actually, because in some casessomeone like a Pisces who has
Pisces energy, where we knowthat Pisces has the
predisposition to kind of spaceout, if you will, that that
could be seen as a space energy.
So it's really more aboutunderstanding the energetic
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qualities of the differentzodiac signs.
Of course, definitely theelemental qualities come into
play, but there can be a littlebit of a second step to the
process.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, I would say from I mean, just like my
knowledge of ether, what thefirst two that I would think of
was like Pisces and Aquarius,just for like that fact of being
like yeah, kind of like outthere, and like I always
describe Pisces as like being inthe ether, so you're just,
you're not like grounded rightquite here and I know it's water
.
But that was kind of my firstthought as it relates to that.
(36:47):
It's interesting, yeah.
So how, how are you like, likeif we're again kind of pivoting
back to that lens of likebusiness, like in what stage are
you working with people?
Is it like in the beginning oftheir business, or they're
trying to stabilize it or grow?
Like is there, or all of theabove, but like is there a place
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that you find people typicallycome to you?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Typically I have people come to me when they are
in the very beginning stages oftheir business.
So within the first five yearsI've had some people come to me
who've been entrepreneurs for anumber of years.
But there's always some sort ofbeginning that's happening with
them.
So perhaps they're starting anew business or perhaps they've
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moved and they have to kind ofstart their client base from the
ground up.
There's always this sense of aseed that's been planted that
they are looking for nurturanceand guidance to help grow.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Have you noticed like a common thread through, like
their charts or anything?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
That's a good question.
I think that, obviously, one ofthe things that I've noticed is
that a lot of people tend tocome to me with the same
generational planets, um, sopeople who are within that same
um, born within that same timetime period, um.
But I also noticed that thereare a lot of women who have
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placements that um that wouldpoint to them being more
open-minded.
So I have women who will come tome who have a lot of
Sagittarius energy.
They're like, yes, like, giveme all of this, you know, like
philosophical stuff, like I wantto sink my teeth into it.
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I also have people who come tome with that Gemini, like
curiosity energy, where there'sthis kind of um innocence about
them that they feel like youknow they, they desire someone
to kind of spark that next um,that next period of growth for
them.
And I think that, as someonewho also has a lot of earth
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placements, I tend to attractpeople who are opposite from me,
who desire the strength andstability and um, perhaps I
don't know if rigidity is theright word, but structure that
comes with me, being a coppercoin rising, for instance.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Is there anything that so I know we've talked
about Mercury and the moon andNeptune and things like that but
, like, if somebody is coming toyou beginning their business,
besides like the emotionalaspect of it, is there anything
that you're necessarily seeingin it to maybe help them, like
clarify their vision or like, dothey already have an
established business so they'retrying to like figure that out
through the lens of their chart?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Most people that come to me already have an
established business, so they'vealready kind of figured out
what their purpose is, butthey're really struggling with
how to bring it to life.
So one of the things that wecan look at their astrology
chart for, specifically when itcomes to business, as their
midheaven and their 10 where'stheir 10th house right obviously
that is a very important partof understanding your public
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life, but I don't necessarilythink it's the only piece.
So it's almost like the firstpiece of the puzzle.
We'll look at that puzzle piecefirst and we'll say, okay, well
, how, for instance, if yourmidheaven is in Scorpio and your
10,000th is in Scorpio, howcould that manifest for you?
But I think it's reallyimportant not to put words in
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people's mouths and to holdspace for them to discover what
it means for them, rather thansaying, okay, well, you have a
Scorpio midheaven.
Discover what it means for them, rather than saying, okay, well
, you have a Scorpio midheaven.
So that means that you aregoing to be someone who just
goes in and gets really deepwith people and helps them.
You know, pull out the roots.
(40:53):
Um, it could be that or it couldbe something completely
different.
Someone who has a LibraMidheaven doesn't necessarily
have to be a lawyer.
That's a very literal depictionof what it means to be a Libra
Midheaven.
Someone who is an AriesMidheaven doesn't necessarily
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have to be a CEO of a Fortune500 company Like.
That's again, just a veryliteral depiction, and I think
that people will sometimes cometo me with those preconceived
notions and I think it's reallyimportant to hold space for the
discovery that it might besomething that they might
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actually already be doing.
It is what I discover a lotthat they might feel like, oh,
I'm not really aligned with mymidheaven, I don't really
understand how that works.
But then, as we dig a littlebit deeper, they begin to
understand that actually, ohyeah, I am exhibiting these
qualities just in ways that Ihadn't really thought about
before.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, I think it definitely is like a holistic
thing and it's not like onepiece or the other, and I think
sometimes we can get caught upin just like this one aspect of
it that's gonna like unlock thekey or unlock the like all the
answers you know.
So I think like, yeah, lookingat it from that like broader
lens of how is it all kind ofplaying into that Makes a lot of
sense.
How do you feel like yourexperience like even just like
(42:23):
with music and teaching, haslike brought you to where you're
at today?
So even just like I feel, likeI hear it in the way that you
speak, like I can hear that sortof like that like teacher
energy, right of being like in asession with somebody, and I
think that's yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Well, I find it hilarious that my mercury is in
Pisces and that I was a musician.
It just feels very literal tome.
I think that, um, I think thatone of the things that I learned
through music, specificallybecause I was, um, and still am,
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a vocalist so my body is myvoice or is my instrument?
Excuse me, my voice is myinstrument.
And I remember doing a podcastinterview with someone years ago
and she asked me the samequestion and I thought to myself
.
Actually, I think what it is forme is that when I was a singer,
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I was sharing this very deepand intimate extension of myself
out into the world through myvoice, and I think, ultimately,
that's what we do as businessowners.
We have this little seed that'sinside of ourselves and we
nurture it until it grows andthen is shared with the world
and it's.
It can be very scary becauseit's this really deep and
(43:43):
intimate part of ourselves, andI think that being a person who
has familiarity with the powerof bringing that up and out to
share with the world throughmusic has been a really
beautiful guiding light for meas an entrepreneur and as a
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coach.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
How do you do you still incorporate music just
like in your everyday, Like areyou performing places, or is it
just something you keep foryourself?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I still teach, yeah, very, very rarely nowadays.
I haven't really taught inabout 10 years, but I do teach a
little tiny ones, and I thinkthat that is, um, that's part of
the joy for me is that I wantedto be able to ultimately get
back to the joy that I felt inbeing um, get back to the joy
(44:44):
that I felt in being um andsharing music, and I think that
sharing music with little tinyhumans who are still in those
very formative years, um, isjust another beautiful way for
me to bring joy into my life.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yeah, I love that.
I think kids I have two, mine's14 and eight but my
eight-year-old, my 14-year-old,she's kind of gone through her
conditioning now and likesociety and friends and school
and stuff like that, so she's alittle bit more hesitant, but my
son will just like bouncearound singing and I think it's
just such an authenticexpression that, like kids don't
necessarily feel the fear oflike oh my gosh, what are they
gonna think about me?
(45:19):
You know, like he's justeverywhere singing in the shower
and you know I think it's areally authentic expression for
everyone that I think sometimeswe disconnect from as we get
older, like I even for me I'mlike I could never sing in
public, like I don't think I'mgood at singing but I do love
like I mean, like most peoplesing the shower with my kids and
stuff like that.
But I also, you know, I went tocollege a couple of times and I
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finally got my bachelor'sdegree in photography because I
was like I need to do something.
Maybe it's the Leo Moon, thecreativity was like I need to do
something that really likeignites my passion and is
creative.
But then I found when I did itprofessionally I lost my passion
for it.
I was like I think it was theexchange of money for something
that I felt so deeply.
For that I was like I can't dothis anymore and it was always
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by somebody else's standards andnot mine, which is where I feel
more, and it's probably justage and growth and experience
now, where I have my ownbusiness, and now it's kind of
like by my rules and if youdon't, maybe it's just the
ability to communicate what I doand what I offer and not be
like, well, what do you wantfrom me?
You know what I mean.
It's like the more empoweringthing of like I'm going to
attract people who are here forme.
(46:26):
That I didn't necessarily havein my twenties.
But yeah, I don't know, I justcause you had mentioned, you
know that you hadn't taught in awhile and I think that that is
maybe something that's very, um,maybe not talked about or
that's common, where we lose thedrive for something that we
feel so passionate about becauseof that.
You know, I don't think it hasto be that way, but I think it's
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an experience for a lot ofpeople.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, I agree with that.
I think that that's one of thebeautiful things about being an
entrepreneur is that you havethe opportunity.
If you feel like you are notbeing fulfilled and you feel
like things are not moving inthe direction that you want them
to, you have the opportunity tomove in a different direction.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, when I think that early experience with, I
guess at the time I wouldn'thave considered myself an
entrepreneur, but if I was, Imean that's basically what it
was.
It was a photographer, right,like it was my business.
I was taking pictures of people, but it was the inability to
express what I wanted to do,right.
It was more so, like I feellike the lesson there was in in
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being able to stand in like whatI do, and to be able to say no
to people.
But I'd like back then likethis is my early 20s I couldn't
say no.
It's like people wanted me todo all sorts of pictures at
weddings and I, literally Ican't stand doing weddings.
It's not a passion of mine, butI found myself doing it for the
paycheck no-transcript thing,and we are all like afraid of it
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and I'm like I there's likesimultaneously like society,
right where I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm getting older and I look
different and my body looksdifferent.
But then at the same time I'mlike but it's also so exciting,
like the older I get, the less Icare, and it's not like, it's
not like a selfish thing, it'sjust like I don't care as much
about what other people thinkabout me anymore you know, yeah,
yeah and um, I, I have a mentorwho talks about the um, the
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midlife transits, and I don'tknow a lot about them.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
But, um, the nodal return at the age of 37 is kind
of the beginning of the midlifetransits and it is so
fascinating to me how much morecomfortable I am in my skin
after that initial experienceand now knowing that I have all
of these other transits to lookforward to all the way up until
the age of 50.
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And I'm actually really lookingforward to them.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's challenging my kids.
They were like I can't rememberwhat it was a few months ago
that my kids are like mom, areyou middle-aged?
And I'm like not yet, give methe next four years, let's not
talk about this.
But like I do notice.
It's just that, I think, is aconversation.
We don't have enough that agingconversation, because even you
(49:30):
know, I listened to my mom andshe's in her sixties and the,
the the like, almost likeunwillingness to admit that
aging is a thing like theavoidance of the conversation,
of it and it's I don't know.
Like I mean, you know,everybody has their things, you
know.
And, like I said, sometimes Ilook in the mirror.
I noticed, like, like I triedto do like something working out
the other day and I noticed myknee cracked and I was like oh,
like, come on.
But at the same time I justthink like the evolution of who
(49:53):
I am is so beautiful at this atthis age, right?
So I think like looking at itfrom that way, is is really cool
, definitely.
But how do you so kind of goingback to the whole, like you
know, the, the emotionalintelligence, how do you feel
like since your evolution, youknow, or since you first
discovered this in 2017 untilnow.
Like how do you feel?
(50:14):
Like your relationship withyour own emotions has like
shifted, like where was it then?
And kind of like what has theevolution been to be where
you're at now?
And like where do you thinkit's going?
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Um, so I look back at my twenties in particular.
So in 2017, I had just enteredmy thirties and I look back at
my twenties in particular and Icringe a lot.
And I look back at my 20s inparticular and I cringe a lot.
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I was a person who feltuncomfortable taking
accountability.
I was a person who constantlyfelt like I had to live for
other people rather than livingfor myself.
I felt a huge responsibility tomaintain certain standards, and
when I had my astrology reading, I think I realized for the
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first time that it was okay forme to live the life that I
wanted to live and to not be sofocused on being someone else
that someone wanted me to bethat I began to realize that my
(51:40):
passion for certain thingswasn't something that I had to
be ashamed of.
It wasn't something that Ineeded to, that I couldn't
follow.
I think so.
When I was a teacher, I wasreally afraid that I couldn't be
(52:00):
anything else other than ateacher because I had a master's
degree in education.
I had spent all this time andall this money focusing on being
a teacher and, in a lot of ways, I felt like I had failed
everyone when I decided that Ididn't want to be a teacher
anymore, and in 2017, that wasthe first year that I wasn't
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teaching at all, and I thinkthat if I had not had that
astrology reading, I know forsure that I would still be
working in corporate and I wouldnot have my own company.
I would not be an entrepreneur,because in some crazy way I
think a lot of it conditioning Ifelt like I wasn't worth it.
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I felt like I didn't have theskill set that was needed to be
able to bring all of thesethings that I was so passionate
about life.
I was afraid that some, thatpeople, wouldn't listen to me,
that I didn't have the authorityto speak on XYZ, and I think
that that moment sparked in methis deep desire to prove
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everyone wrong.
Capricorn.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's interesting how, you know,
know, in our 20s we spend somuch energy and money in our
education to create this likeidentity, I guess, for ourselves
, and then when it kind ofcrumbles, we're just like, wait
what?
Now?
You, I you know I bouncebetween different things but
(53:39):
like even just having that finaldegree of like photography.
I'm like I'm a photographer andthen, like, for me, it was 2015
when I stopped.
No, 2000, might've been 2017 aswell yeah, when I cause I had
my son.
So, yeah, I think it was aroundthe same time and I was like I
same thing.
Well, I didn't go intocorporate, I went to a gym and
then I went into corporate, butlike that shift of not doing
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that creative work anymore, youknow, it's really interesting
and I also think, like thatSaturn return and there's this
piece about.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
I think that 30 to 31,.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
That age is so interesting because it's like
everything that we knew for somereason around that time I don't
know if it's because of ourSaturn return, but it's like
everything that we thought thatwe knew about ourselves is like
all of a sudden confronting andlike, not like way to have to
build all over again, you know,and then like finding, I think,
through that, finding that thingthat really like gives you that
(54:34):
fire.
And some people are fortunateto find it in the early twenties
.
I wasn't.
I was, you know, going crazy,partying very much.
I have Jupiter in Pisces, so Iwas just very much in that phase
of my life.
I'm like I'm just going todrink and have fun.
And I mean I had my daughteryoung too, so that was a part of
it where I was forced to Iwouldn't say forced to be a mom.
I'm blessed to be a mom, but Idon't know, I didn't.
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When I look at it, you know mydaughter's 14, I'm like man in
10 years.
If she had a kid, I would belike wait, just wait some more
time to figure yourself out, butwe all have our own journeys,
so I don't know it's interesting, yes, yeah.
So what do you feel like?
Um, just in, like kind ofcoming into a conclusion of this
(55:17):
or not conclusion, but likewhat, what would?
What advice would you givesomeone?
Kind of like coming into this,and also like what advice would
you have given yourself, like inhindsight, looking back at,
like you know, the earlierversion of you, to who you are
now?
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Well, I think that one of the biggest things I
would have told myself is don'tbe afraid to take up space.
I, as a child it's it's funnyto think about because I, as a
very young child, I took up alot of space.
I was always very active andtalkative and friendly.
(55:53):
And then I had this reallytraumatic experience around the
age of five that pushed me intoa shell of myself and I can
remember being in kindergartenor first grade and wanting to
audition for a play at thecommunity theater and I so
(56:15):
desperately wanted the main partbut I was so afraid to speak
that they wouldn't give it to me.
I was terrified to speak and,of course, my chyron's in Gemini
.
So I think that that was thebiggest lesson that I started to
have to deconstruct and tolearn was that it was okay for
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me to speak and to share mystory and to take up space.
I think that, particularly forme as a woman, I was conditioned
to be the one who was in thebackground, and I know that a
lot of other women feel that wayas well.
Lot of other women feel thatway as well that it's important
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to be quiet and it's importantto be more submissive and to
make everyone else happy ratherthan make yourself happy, and
that couldn't be further fromthe truth.
I think that in making yourselfhappy, you can then fill the
cup of others.
I have a friend who used to sayto me all the time selfishness
is the greatest form of altruism, because when we can be fully
(57:28):
fulfilled, we can then fill upother people, but when we're
trying to fill other people fromthis emptiness, it's not going
to.
It's not going to work.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
Yeah, yeah, that's really powerful.
Well, thank you so much forsharing all of your wisdom and,
you know, helping the audiencekind of like get in touch with
that piece of themselves, youknow, and specifically through
the chart, how can they find you, how can they work with you,
and is there anything thatyou're currently working on or
putting out in the world?
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Sure, so I, um, I have a membership community
called the Venusian society thatI, um, absolutely love.
It will be one this year inJanuary and June, really excited
about it, um.
And it is for femaleentrepreneurs who are in the
very early stages of theirbusiness, who are looking for
ways to incorporate all of theseholistic and spiritual
(58:23):
modalities into the way thatthey build their business, so
that registration for that isalways open if anybody's
interested.
And then I actually do thingscalled stellar strategy sessions
where I help people understandtheir astrology chart as it
relates to their business, andthen we take a look at what's
happening for them over the nextthree months.
(58:45):
We do it in a quarter byquarter basis, um, and try to
better understand when thingswill be supportive for them to
make certain choices in theirbusiness.
So yeah, and where can theyfind?
you Uh website.
So it's Megan and Dunhamcom.
Um, I'll make sure you give youthat cause my name is spelled
(59:07):
kind of funny and you can findme on threads and you can find
me on Instagram at Meganmdunham.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
Amazing.
I'll link it all up in the shownotes so they can just go.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
Speaker 2 (59:20):
Thanks for having me.
Welcome to the Rochelle Christian podcast,
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So if you're ready to step up,take control and show up as the
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most authentic version of you,let's begin.
Today I have Megan Dunham, whois a business mentor and
astrologer, and we're going toget into all things astrology
and emotional intelligence whichI find so fascinating.
I absolutely love to dig intothings from that lens.
So, just to start, if you areopen to sharing a little bit
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about your human design and yourastrology and anything that you
feel really kind of maybe madesense as to like the path that
you got on, and then just yourstory, like as much or as little
as you'd like to share um anypivotal moments.
That sort of got you whereyou're at today and we'll go
from there.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Sounds good.
Okay, so it's a long story.
Of course, everyone has a longstory, right.
But I'll start at the beginning.
When I decided that I was goingto go to college, I thought that
I was going to be a teacher.
That's what I always wanted tobe, ever since I was little.
I have pictures of myself atlike seven years old, sitting at
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an old like student's desk thatmy grandparents had at their
house and pretending to be theteacher.
Right, so that was like mydream.
So I went to school foreducation and I became a music
teacher and I was a musicteacher for a number of years
and it was so joyful andsatisfying.
I loved the kids.
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I worked in elementary school.
Uh, but my last year I gotreally sick and I had to have my
gallbladder removed and I beganto realize that a lot of the
reason why I was feeling so sickwas because I had so much
stress.
I would stay up late at nightworrying about some of my kids
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and where they were and who wastaking care of them, and you
know, it was just.
It was really hard.
It was really hard.
I didn't feel like I had thesupport from my administrators
all the stories that lots ofteachers tell right.
So the final straw for me, Ithink, was when I got really
sick and I was only offered oneweek of time to take off after
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my surgery.
And I'll never forget comingback to school and having the
kindergarten nurse come to myclassroom because I was a music
teacher.
I saw all the kids in theschool and one of the teacher
their teacher said to all thekids OK, I know you want to give
her a hug, but you can't rightnow because you know she, she
has a hurt belly and just theamount of care that we had to
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take in explaining the wholesituation to the kids and I just
felt heartbroken and that wasthat was kind of it for me, and
that was kind of it for me.
So I decided that I was going tomove on from teaching and see
if I could find something elsethat could fulfill me and still
offer me that opportunity to bea teacher, but in a way that
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didn't require me to lose myphysical well-being, lose my
physical health.
So I began in corporate, in thecorporate space, and I thought,
oh well, maybe this will bebetter because you know I'll
actually be able to go to thebathroom when I want to and take
breaks, um, and ended upworking, as I think a lot of
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people experience a somewhattoxic corporate environment, and
then I just realized that theonly way that I was going to
really make this thing my ownwas, or this experience my own,
was, by being an entrepreneur,and so I began teaching people
about marketing because I knewthat that's what I could do
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right, having worked incorporate marketing, and in 2017
, I had my astrology chart readfor the first time, and I
realized in that moment that allof the things that I didn't
like about myself, all of thethings that I thought were wrong
, quote unquote with me, wereactually parts of myself that I
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could see reflected in myastrology chart, and I no longer
felt like they were a burden.
I all of a sudden felt like adoor had opened and the
possibility of me facing thosethings that I didn't necessarily
like about myself it just felteasier and more approachable,
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and so that kind of led me onthe path of my spiritual
awakening.
I got my yoga teachercertification in 2019, and I
started to incorporate thosethings into the work that I did
and, as someone who hasexperience as a teacher and
someone who has experienceworking in the social and
emotional learning space, I feltthat using those tools to help
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people better understandthemselves through their
astrology chart in my one-to-onecoaching just felt like a
really natural fit, and sothat's where I am today.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, I resonate so strongly with just the first
time I saw for me myintroduction to like that sort
of world was human design.
And very shortly after, becauseastrology is a huge part of that
right, it was kind of astrology, but I remember the same thing.
When I saw my chart I was like,wow, everything I think is wrong
with me isn't it's only becauseI'm resisting it, I'm trying to
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fit into this box that I'm notmade for was the most liberating
thing ever.
I mean, of course, there was somuch work after that to really
accept it, because then you haveall the conditioning and the
you know subconscious beliefsand like that's still a journey.
But to have something that Ifelt like I could come back to
and have the languaging of like,oh, this is what it is, you
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know, I don't have to be this, Ican just be this.
It's so powerful and you know,kind of like you, I feel like
that was the thing.
That helping other people seethat and have that same
experience was like the driverfor me too, so it's so beautiful
.
What in your chart do you feellike, or was there anything that
really spoke to specificallylike the emotional aspect of it
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for you?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Um, I think learning about my moon sign was really
important for me.
I, when I was young, I wouldread horoscopes and you know 17
magazine and all those things.
Maybe I'm dating myself I don'tknow.
And I'm an Aries moon, but I'm asorry, not an Aries moon.
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I'm an Aries sun but a Taurusmoon, and so those two energies
are very opposite from oneanother.
And so I would always read theAries horoscope because I knew
that I was an Aries sun and Inever fully resonated with that
energy talking about being afighter and picking fights and
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being aggressive, and I just wasnever that type of person.
And it wasn't until I learnedabout my astrology chart that I
learned that I had my moon andmy Venus and Taurus, and those
are two really powerfulplacements and also my south
node is in Libra, and so there'sa lot of this like Venusian
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energy that surrounds me and theway that I interact with the
world, and it helped meunderstand who I am and be more
accepting of the more assertivepart of myself, that is, my
Aries North Node and my AriesSun.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, I'm like sort of flipped in that way, like the
same energies.
I'm a Taurus sun and a Leo moon, so for me and I have a Leo
rising, so kind of that samething where I felt like, yeah, I
did embody some of thatgrounded energy, but I felt this
like fire that was always likeburning inside.
So I was like my emotions weresuper dramatic, like a lot of
the way that I did things waslike fast, and so I really
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resonate with being a Taurus,but at the same time there was
just this piece that I was likebut but what about this little
like fiery part of me?
Like I felt like I constantlysuppressed that.
So it's sort of the same thing.
And then I also have my I thinkwe're born the same year because
I have my North node in Aries,my South node and libra, as well
as like all that.
Like that, um, you know, likefor me, being leo rising to like
the sun and taurus and thenvenus, I feel like that whole
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like little you know you can godown that rabbit hole are so
fascinating, right, but itreally is so prominent to like
the experience.
But yeah, it's, it's sofascinating just to see, like
how these little pieces show usand and how we resist that part
of ourselves.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, yep, yeah.
I mean I'm a Capricorn risingtoo, so I have a lot of earth, a
lot of earth, but I didn't knowthat I had that earth.
I always assumed that I wasjust a fiery person that was
living inside of a body thatdidn't necessarily feel fiery
all the time.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
So how can we, you know, whatever our moon sign is,
if we're looking from that lenslike, lean into that or
understand that in a way to helpour, you know, emotional world?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah.
So it's so funny that I'mtalking about this because I'm
actually leading a workshop sooncalled the Head and the Heart,
which is about our Mercury andour moon sign and how they can
work together.
I think that that is the maybethe first gateway that people
can take as they're learningmore about astrology is their
moon sign, because it's such a,it's such a personal placement,
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right, it's our subconscious,it's the way that we see
ourselves, it's our inner voice,it's our emotions and the way
that we react to things.
And I think that, um, just likeyou said, you you knew you had
that little fire inside of you,but you didn't know exactly
where it came from, and then yourealized you were a Leo moon
and it gave you the, the um,permission to express that part
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of yourself.
And I think that that is areally important key to healing
perhaps some of the trauma thatwe've experienced, or to
deconditioning is to understandour moon sign, because that in
you know, within our deepestself, is who we are and how we
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interact with the world, um, andand how we react to things.
So if we know that we react bypulling back and dissociating,
like a Taurus moon, perhaps thenit gives us the opportunity to
build guardrails and to build insystems that we can use so that
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, when we are reacting tosomething in our environment, we
already know how to anticipatethe way that we're going to
react.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Can you maybe just describe, like maybe elementally
, how each of us would kind oflean into that?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, so from an elemental perspective, we have
four elements in astrology.
We have the earth, which isTaurus and Virgo and Capricorn
right.
We have the fire, which is theLeo and the Aries and the
Sagittarius.
We have the air, which isAquarius, Gemini and Libra.
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I'm trying to think on thechart.
And then we have the water,which is Cancer and Scorpio and
Pisces.
So all of those different, weall have different ways of
acting based on those elements,right?
Of course, each of the zodiacsign represents or manifests in
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a different way according to theelement, but they're all fairly
similar.
If we think about water, forexample, water is very deep and
I think that most people thinkof our emotions when they think
about water.
So someone with a Cancer moon,for instance, is going to be a
highly emotional person, ahighly deeply feeling person,
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because if you think about waterand the ocean, it holds so much
, and so knowing that aboutyourself, knowing that you might
be more sensitive, moreintuitive, more in tune with the
energy around you, could giveyou the opportunity to build in
systems that support that extrasensitivity that you might feel
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in times when you're feelingtriggered.
Likewise, someone who is an airmoon that is more of an
intellectual reaction.
So, in the same way that theearth is logical and so can
dissociate, I think that theintellectual moons can also
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dissociate because they'retrying to piece apart what
happened and trying to makesense of it, and that can feel
really draining and exhausting.
So, knowing that about yourselfperhaps you're an Aquarius moon
, knowing that you like todissect experiences that you
have and and have an answer forwhy something is the way that it
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is you could try to soften thata little bit and realize that
you're not always going to havethe answer.
And so what can you build inthat supports you when you have
those moments where you're notquite sure exactly what's
happening?
And then you have the firemoons, so, like an Aries moon,
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of course, fire is known formoving very quickly and for
generating a lot of heat.
So people who have fire moonsoften react very quickly to
situations, and sometimes thereaction can be overblown or can
be larger than perhaps itneeded to be at the moment.
But that's just the way thatpeople with fire moons are.
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And so, understanding that yourreaction might be big and
impulsive, what can you do tobuild in systems to support you
in those moments, so that you'renot running around, you know,
trying to put out all themetaphorical fires, and you're
not feeling like you're notfeeling really angry or really
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frustrated in that moment.
The dissociativeness of an earthmoon comes from the fact that
they're in the same way that airmoons, I think, are trying to
find an answer.
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Earth moons do as well.
But there's this sense oftrying to keep your feet on the
ground during a crisis.
And I noticed that about myself, that when other people are
kind of spinning out around me,that I'm always the one who's
kind of bringing people backtogether and trying to chart the
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way forward, and that can feelvery overwhelming, because
sometimes I want to spin out butI don't feel like I can because
I'm the one who has to kind ofhold everyone's feet to the
ground.
And so, knowing that aboutmyself, then what are the things
that I can do to support myselfwhen I need to have that
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opportunity to actually justrelease?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
that energy.
Yeah, I love that.
I haven't heard it put that waybefore.
I am someone who, for somereason, constantly attracts
Capricorn moons.
And I'm like we are so notcompatible emotionally just
because I'm so dramatic, butI've I've learned to like love
them because they so they're sogrounded Right, but maybe, like
you said, it's because they feelthis obligation to like hold
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that that they can't like getwrapped up in their own stuff,
but I'm like just meet me here,come here be dramatic with me
and they're like what is wrongwith you?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, there's a sense .
There's definitely a sense ofobligation.
I think that comes with all ofthe earth science.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
How can we like, when we're looking from the lens of
you know business because Ithink, specifically,
entrepreneurship is this everevolving journey of
self-discovery in order to likebe in it and like, remember,
like why you're doing it, causeit's challenging.
But how does that, you know,how can we work with,
specifically, that moon energyand like whatever way that shows
up in our business, because Imean it's, it can be super
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emotional, right, and learningto like separate that while
staying authentic is kind of achallenge.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, and I would challenge people to think about
it, not in the way that you'reseparating things right, because
as an entrepreneur, you reallycan't separate the personal from
the professional.
Yeah.
But what I would say is thatentrepreneurship is the deepest
way to get to know yourself.
It's the best course that youcan take in self-development,
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and the more you know aboutyourself, the more successful I
think you will be.
And so when I when I look at it, you know, from the perspective
of your moon specifically is Ilook at what does your moon sign
desire and then what can you doto create that desire inside
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your business.
So, going back to my moonplacement, I have my Taurus, my
moon and Taurus, so that meansthat I desire stability.
So how do I create stability inmy business?
Maybe that means that I createmonthly recurring revenue,
because that helps me understandevery month that I'm going to
be receiving the same amount ofmoney and therefore it gives me
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the stability I need to be ableto branch out and do other
things.
Leo moons need creativity, right.
So how can you build creativityinto your business?
How can you build in?
Um, you know, maybe you do newseasonal offers every once in a
while and you try this, that andthe other, and you keep things
fresh, because that's what yourdeepest desire is as a Leo moon.
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Yeah, maybe as a Gemini moon.
You know, you love learning,and so how do you add in those
opportunities for learning newthings and incorporating the
things that you've learned intothe way that you're structuring
your business and the way thatyou're interacting with your
clients and your audience?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, I love that.
How do you?
So, going back to sort of likeyou said, you're doing that
workshop on, like Mercury andthe moon, which I find is so
fascinating because I've oftentried to or like just in
understanding those.
My Mercury is in Taurus as well, and then my moon is in Leo.
So it's like there's all thisfire, but then I'm feel like I
have to communicate it in thislike really grounded, practical
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way, and sometimes the ideastake a while to like percolate
right to the point where I feellike I can communicate them.
Um, so how are you like pairingthese two together and like how
does that work for us?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
so I haven't fully formulated the workshop yet, but
I am reading a book that is.
That has been very helpful forme to understand the
relationship between those twoplanets, especially when you
have a Mercury placement and amoon placement that feel like
they are not working together.
So I think that the first thingto recognize is that you know,
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we all have dissonance in ourchart.
It doesn't matter where it is,and the more we can understand
that the dissonance is a placeof growth and a place for
curiosity, the easier it becomesto begin to integrate those
things together together.
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So obviously, I think,particularly as women, it can be
difficult for us to work withour head and our heart, because
our head sometimes I think moreoften than not feels like it's
fighting against our heart.
So I think that's why it can bereally important to understand
what it is that those what, whatfight are they having?
What it is that you know, whatare those conversations that are
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being um, that are being putforward.
So for me, for instance, mymercury is in pisces and my moon
is in torus, so they're bothvery slow moving, and so what
does that mean?
Um?
But then it's the water and theearth right, and so the water
and the earth together can meanthat I have a really hard time
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moving things forward, that Istew over them before I bring
them to life, and so in thatsense I'm seeing, okay, what are
the?
And I look at this from theAyurvedic perspective as well,
because I study- Ayurveda.
And when I think about theelements of water and earth, I
think about mud.
And what happens with mud isthat there's this kind of like
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you get stuck and then it'sreally hard to move out of that.
It's almost like quicksand ifyou let yourself sit in it for
too long, but mud is also verycooling and very soothing out of
that.
It's almost like quicksand ifyou let yourself sit in it for
too long, but mud is also verycooling and very soothing.
And so I have to kind of comeat it from a multi-lens
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perspective of, okay, well, Irecognize that it could take me
a little bit longer to makedecisions because I'm, you know,
I have all these things movingaround in my head and my heart,
but once I actually do bringthose things to life, here are
the qualities that I canenshrine in those ideas, in
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those services, in thoseofferings that are going to
bring forth the best of me, andthe best of me might be this
really grounding and supportiveenergy.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, I love that and I liked what you said about
there's always a part of ourchart that holds some dissonance
right, and I think that's thebeautiful part about really
getting to understand youthrough the lens of your chart,
because I think, just as humans,we're always going to
experience that on some level,right and and, of course, like
our conditioning and just allthese messages of like.
You know, especially, like yousaid, the fight between like the
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heart and the head, right Oflike.
This is what I think, or this isthe thing that's been
conditioned in here, but thenthis is what I truly like desire
and what I want and being ableto like have those meet
somewhere in the middle.
You know, and I think I meanemotional intelligence is I was
just having a conversation withsomebody and it's it's just, I
think it's one of the mostimportant things that we can do
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for ourselves, like even youknow, I mean even for me like
having a fire moon, like I'm sodramatic, but like learning,
learning to like take that pause, and it's not to like stop what
I'm feeling or stop myexperience, but it's to like
like see myself through it, ifthat makes sense, you know, and
so I think that's like the powerof.
But before I knew I had a Leomoon, I was like I can't be this
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dramatic, like I can't be, Ican't have these intense
emotions Like it's just wrong.
Right, and I think that's thebeautiful thing is being able to
step back and be like no, it'snot wrong, it is what it is and
also like how are we going tomove through this?
So I think that you know,combining that you know with
business I think is so powerfuland I've, and I feel like I had
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like a reading with somebody whohe was a Capricorn moon but he
was like super successful, likebusinessman, you know, and like
he would tell me about thesesituations where people would
come into his office just likeall heated and things like that,
and I'm like that Capricornmoon is so beautiful in that
situation because you're notbeing like pulled into the
emotional world, that thatstability of the earth moon was
so like I could see it playedout, where he would just like
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respond to people as like okay,and how are we going to move
through this, but people wouldwant him to fight.
People come in looking for anargument or looking for a fight
and I think just understandingthe dynamics of all of that is
so cool to watch it being playedout and having that emotional
intelligence to know not to getsucked into it, because I think
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without it we're veryreactionary.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yes, yeah, I think as humans, especially living in
such a chaotic time, it is veryeasy to react just at the flip
of a hat and not take anyresponsibility for your reaction
.
And I think that is whereemotional intelligence comes in,
and particularly understandingyour innate qualities or your
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innate impulses through yourastrology chart can be super
helpful.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Is there anywhere else in our chart besides, just
like the moon, that we can lookat to understand or to work with
this part of ourselves?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I think, yes, I think that each part of our chart can
help us understand ourselves ina different way.
I think that another part ofour chart that speaks to the
depth and the subconsciousnesswould be our Neptune placement.
And Neptune is a generationalplanet, which means that people,
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within a certain period of time, are all going to have that
same placement.
So people who were born aroundthe same time as me are going to
have their Neptune andCapricorn, and one of the things
that I find so fascinating I'veread dozens of charts at this
point and a lot of people havecome to me, have had their
Neptune and Capricorn andthere's this deep sense of
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responsibility for charting anew way forward that I see in a
lot of these people who come tome with placement, particularly
as it relates to oursubconscious and healing our
subconscious, healing our innerchild, healing our, you know,
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doing the shadow work, and thatcan feel like a really heavy
burden, and I see it in a lot ofpeople's faces when they come
and have readings with me, and Ithink it's important to
recognize that.
One of the beautiful thingsabout Neptune is that it allows
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you to go really, really deep,but one of the hard things about
Neptune is that, because ofthat depth, there is often a
desire to stop and just kind oflook away.
It's too hard, and I think Iwould encourage people to.
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When we're thinking about doingthe work the emotional
intelligence work, the shadowwork, the inner child work, the
emotional intelligence work, theshadow work, the inner child
work Don't push yourself toohard.
I think that is a trap thatpeople fall into, especially
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women, who are conditioned to doit all and be it all.
Take baby steps, don't feellike you have to get to the end
as quickly as possible.
This is a process, it's ajourney, and it's more important
to experience the full um rangeof emotion that comes through
the journey rather than beingfocused on the destination.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, I think that's really important and it's
something that's so hard to likereally be in.
You know, especially, I don'tknow if it's just all my fire
energy, but I'm like no, I wantto be there now, Like I know, in
the beginning of my journey.
That's why I was likeno-transcript that piece of my
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chart.
So it's interesting that youbring that up and I think that,
especially with that Neptune andCapricorn doing the depth and
doing the work around, work, Iguess, with Capricorn, and then
that need or the possibility, Iguess, of escaping it, Right,
it's like, it's like I don'tknow.
I mean obviously likeaddictions and burnout and
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disassociation and avoidance andall those things that can come
with that energy towards workmakes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, and I think that it's important to remember
that this is a collective energyand so it's not one that you
have to.
It's not a journey that youhave to go on by yourself.
Yeah, that there are a lot ofpeople within your same
generation who are experiencingthe same thing, that you are, of
course, you know, withindifferent houses and that sort
of thing.
Um, knowing that this is acollective journey, um, I think
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help can help, um us reallythink about how we rewrite those
stories yeah, do you work witha transist?
I do ish.
I am more of a birth chartreader, so okay.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, oh, I sorry.
I was like I heard the siren wehave.
I'm in Texas so they put offthose sirens like at noon on
Saturdays and so I was like whatis happening?
I know there's not a tornado, Iforgot, I don't know if you
could hear it.
I did it distract me for asecond.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I heard it just a little tiny bit yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
It'll pass.
That's so funny.
I heard it just a little tinybit yeah, it'll pass, that's so
funny, yeah.
But as far as like the transits, I'm always curious, just, I
mean, I I work with them in thesense of like, I use it a lot
for reflection, I I find that Ican't like, I like, I track them
and I know what's coming, butit's never until I'm past it
that I can actually have the thelike perspective of like.
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Oh that's what was happening inmy life.
That's why, you know, I likesaying for me Uranus has been on
my son, which I don't know whatdegree your moon's at, but I'm
sure Uranus has been passingover it at some point in the
last what eight years orsomething like that, but it was
literally just.
I mean, my son is at 24 degreesof Taurus, so it's been like
hovering over that for a whileand I like recently quit my nine
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to five and it's in my 10thhouse.
So I like quit my nine to five,I was like I'm burning it all
down, like I can't do thisanymore.
And then afterwards I was like,oh shit, that's maybe like I
let the pressure of that likeget to me.
But you know it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, yeah, I, um, I my um, I um, I my um.
My home and roots is in inTaurus as well.
Um, so I got married, and so Ithink that for me, that was like
the huge shift and change forme was that I always, I never
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thought I was going to findsomeone um to be with for my
entire life.
I was.
I was this kind of likefiercely independent woman,
eerie, son, right and um.
Then, in 2022, I met my husbandand it was like just kidding,
yeah, so, for sure, I love that,I love that.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So you bring in a little bit of, like those
ancient modalities, right, like,are you veda and things like
that?
How like?
How do you work, or do you workwith that, with clients?
Like, as you're reading a birthchart, are you taking into
consideration those things andhow do you, how do you weave
them in?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, so we we take a look at for Ayurveda
specifically, we take a look attheir elemental composition in
their chart.
Do they have a lot of earth?
Do they have a lot of fire?
And what I've noticed is,depending on their elemental
composition, it can often tellme what their Ayurvedic
constitution is.
(32:31):
And if you're not familiar withthe Ayurvedic constitution, in
Ayurveda there are five elementsinstead of four.
So it's still earth, water,fire, fire, air, but um.
Then there's another one calledspace or ether, and those four
elements are comprised, or umthey're, they create three
(32:54):
different doshas is what we callthem and um.
Basically, what happened is thatthese ayurvedic scholars,
thousands of years ago, theywere, uh, looking at nature and
they were observing what washappening, and they noticed that
the combination of elementscame together in three very
distinct ways.
The first is kapha, which isearth and water.
The second is pitta, which iswater and fire, and the third is
(33:18):
vata, which is air and space.
And what I can often see insomeone's chart is if they have,
for instance, a lot of fire,then they're definitely a pitta.
Like there's no, especially ifone of their big three is in a
fire sign.
More often than not, when we gothrough the Ayurvedic quiz and
we learn a little bit more abouttheir lifestyle.
(33:40):
They're, for sure, a pitta,their lifestyle, their
frusciapitta, and so then thatreally kind of helps me from a
coaching perspective to helpthem build in guardrails for,
you know, where they may sufferburnout or where they may get
stuck or where they maydissociate, or where they may
(34:01):
start something but never wantto finish it, and I think it's
just one extra tool that isreally supportive in helping not
only me but also my clientsunderstand more about themselves
.
The really neat thing aboutAyurveda, too, is that it moves
with the seasons.
So we right now we are at theend of Vata season, the
(34:22):
beginning of Kapha season, andso what does that mean as far as
the transition of energy, andhow does that impact a person
who is Kapha, or how does thatimpact a person who is Vata or
Pitta?
See how you know I can, I helpmy clients see how that energy
(34:45):
might be more supportive duringcertain times of year to, you
know, launch something, or tocreate more space in their
business, or to even go onvacation and just let themselves
live for a couple of weeks or acouple of days or whatever they
need, and I just find that theintersection of those modalities
can be really extra supportivein creating a business that
(35:10):
feels more energetically alignedfor the people that I'm working
with.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
How do you find ether in a birth chart?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
so that is a hard one , but I think that most of the
time when I see someone has alot of air placements in their
chart, it points to them being avata um, so there really is not
necessarily a something thatcompletely translates to ether
um, but I would say that the andI think it's interesting too,
(35:47):
actually, because in some casessomeone like a Pisces who has
Pisces energy, where we knowthat Pisces has the
predisposition to kind of spaceout, if you will, that that
could be seen as a space energy.
So it's really more aboutunderstanding the energetic
(36:10):
qualities of the differentzodiac signs.
Of course, definitely theelemental qualities come into
play, but there can be a littlebit of a second step to the
process.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, I would say from I mean, just like my
knowledge of ether, what thefirst two that I would think of
was like Pisces and Aquarius,just for like that fact of being
like yeah, kind of like outthere, and like I always
describe Pisces as like being inthe ether, so you're just,
you're not like grounded rightquite here and I know it's water
.
But that was kind of my firstthought as it relates to that.
(36:47):
It's interesting, yeah.
So how, how are you like, likeif we're again kind of pivoting
back to that lens of likebusiness, like in what stage are
you working with people?
Is it like in the beginning oftheir business, or they're
trying to stabilize it or grow?
Like is there, or all of theabove, but like is there a place
(37:08):
that you find people typicallycome to you?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Typically I have people come to me when they are
in the very beginning stages oftheir business.
So within the first five yearsI've had some people come to me
who've been entrepreneurs for anumber of years.
But there's always some sort ofbeginning that's happening with
them.
So perhaps they're starting anew business or perhaps they've
(37:32):
moved and they have to kind ofstart their client base from the
ground up.
There's always this sense of aseed that's been planted that
they are looking for nurturanceand guidance to help grow.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Have you noticed like a common thread through, like
their charts or anything?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
That's a good question.
I think that, obviously, one ofthe things that I've noticed is
that a lot of people tend tocome to me with the same
generational planets, um, sopeople who are within that same
um, born within that same timetime period, um.
But I also noticed that thereare a lot of women who have
(38:15):
placements that um that wouldpoint to them being more
open-minded.
So I have women who will come tome who have a lot of
Sagittarius energy.
They're like, yes, like, giveme all of this, you know, like
philosophical stuff, like I wantto sink my teeth into it.
(38:39):
I also have people who come tome with that Gemini, like
curiosity energy, where there'sthis kind of um innocence about
them that they feel like youknow they, they desire someone
to kind of spark that next um,that next period of growth for
them.
And I think that, as someonewho also has a lot of earth
(39:02):
placements, I tend to attractpeople who are opposite from me,
who desire the strength andstability and um, perhaps I
don't know if rigidity is theright word, but structure that
comes with me, being a coppercoin rising, for instance.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Is there anything that so I know we've talked
about Mercury and the moon andNeptune and things like that but
, like, if somebody is coming toyou beginning their business,
besides like the emotionalaspect of it, is there anything
that you're necessarily seeingin it to maybe help them, like
clarify their vision or like, dothey already have an
established business so they'retrying to like figure that out
through the lens of their chart?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Most people that come to me already have an
established business, so they'vealready kind of figured out
what their purpose is, butthey're really struggling with
how to bring it to life.
So one of the things that wecan look at their astrology
chart for, specifically when itcomes to business, as their
midheaven and their 10 where'stheir 10th house right obviously
that is a very important partof understanding your public
(40:11):
life, but I don't necessarilythink it's the only piece.
So it's almost like the firstpiece of the puzzle.
We'll look at that puzzle piecefirst and we'll say, okay, well
, how, for instance, if yourmidheaven is in Scorpio and your
10,000th is in Scorpio, howcould that manifest for you?
But I think it's reallyimportant not to put words in
(40:33):
people's mouths and to holdspace for them to discover what
it means for them, rather thansaying, okay, well, you have a
Scorpio midheaven.
Discover what it means for them, rather than saying, okay, well
, you have a Scorpio midheaven.
So that means that you aregoing to be someone who just
goes in and gets really deepwith people and helps them.
You know, pull out the roots.
(40:53):
Um, it could be that or it couldbe something completely
different.
Someone who has a LibraMidheaven doesn't necessarily
have to be a lawyer.
That's a very literal depictionof what it means to be a Libra
Midheaven.
Someone who is an AriesMidheaven doesn't necessarily
(41:17):
have to be a CEO of a Fortune500 company Like.
That's again, just a veryliteral depiction, and I think
that people will sometimes cometo me with those preconceived
notions and I think it's reallyimportant to hold space for the
discovery that it might besomething that they might
(41:38):
actually already be doing.
It is what I discover a lotthat they might feel like, oh,
I'm not really aligned with mymidheaven, I don't really
understand how that works.
But then, as we dig a littlebit deeper, they begin to
understand that actually, ohyeah, I am exhibiting these
qualities just in ways that Ihadn't really thought about
before.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, I think it definitely is like a holistic
thing and it's not like onepiece or the other, and I think
sometimes we can get caught upin just like this one aspect of
it that's gonna like unlock thekey or unlock the like all the
answers you know.
So I think like, yeah, lookingat it from that like broader
lens of how is it all kind ofplaying into that Makes a lot of
sense.
How do you feel like yourexperience like even just like
(42:23):
with music and teaching, haslike brought you to where you're
at today?
So even just like I feel, likeI hear it in the way that you
speak, like I can hear that sortof like that like teacher
energy, right of being like in asession with somebody, and I
think that's yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Well, I find it hilarious that my mercury is in
Pisces and that I was a musician.
It just feels very literal tome.
I think that, um, I think thatone of the things that I learned
through music, specificallybecause I was, um, and still am,
(42:58):
a vocalist so my body is myvoice or is my instrument?
Excuse me, my voice is myinstrument.
And I remember doing a podcastinterview with someone years ago
and she asked me the samequestion and I thought to myself
.
Actually, I think what it is forme is that when I was a singer,
(43:20):
I was sharing this very deepand intimate extension of myself
out into the world through myvoice, and I think, ultimately,
that's what we do as businessowners.
We have this little seed that'sinside of ourselves and we
nurture it until it grows andthen is shared with the world
and it's.
It can be very scary becauseit's this really deep and
(43:43):
intimate part of ourselves, andI think that being a person who
has familiarity with the powerof bringing that up and out to
share with the world throughmusic has been a really
beautiful guiding light for meas an entrepreneur and as a
(44:03):
coach.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
How do you do you still incorporate music just
like in your everyday, Like areyou performing places, or is it
just something you keep foryourself?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I still teach, yeah, very, very rarely nowadays.
I haven't really taught inabout 10 years, but I do teach a
little tiny ones, and I thinkthat that is, um, that's part of
the joy for me is that I wantedto be able to ultimately get
back to the joy that I felt inbeing um, get back to the joy
(44:44):
that I felt in being um andsharing music, and I think that
sharing music with little tinyhumans who are still in those
very formative years, um, isjust another beautiful way for
me to bring joy into my life.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yeah, I love that.
I think kids I have two, mine's14 and eight but my
eight-year-old, my 14-year-old,she's kind of gone through her
conditioning now and likesociety and friends and school
and stuff like that, so she's alittle bit more hesitant, but my
son will just like bouncearound singing and I think it's
just such an authenticexpression that, like kids don't
necessarily feel the fear oflike oh my gosh, what are they
gonna think about me?
(45:19):
You know, like he's justeverywhere singing in the shower
and you know I think it's areally authentic expression for
everyone that I think sometimeswe disconnect from as we get
older, like I even for me I'mlike I could never sing in
public, like I don't think I'mgood at singing but I do love
like I mean, like most peoplesing the shower with my kids and
stuff like that.
But I also, you know, I went tocollege a couple of times and I
(45:43):
finally got my bachelor'sdegree in photography because I
was like I need to do something.
Maybe it's the Leo Moon, thecreativity was like I need to do
something that really likeignites my passion and is
creative.
But then I found when I did itprofessionally I lost my passion
for it.
I was like I think it was theexchange of money for something
that I felt so deeply.
For that I was like I can't dothis anymore and it was always
(46:04):
by somebody else's standards andnot mine, which is where I feel
more, and it's probably justage and growth and experience
now, where I have my ownbusiness, and now it's kind of
like by my rules and if youdon't, maybe it's just the
ability to communicate what I doand what I offer and not be
like, well, what do you wantfrom me?
You know what I mean.
It's like the more empoweringthing of like I'm going to
attract people who are here forme.
(46:26):
That I didn't necessarily havein my twenties.
But yeah, I don't know, I justcause you had mentioned, you
know that you hadn't taught in awhile and I think that that is
maybe something that's very, um,maybe not talked about or
that's common, where we lose thedrive for something that we
feel so passionate about becauseof that.
You know, I don't think it hasto be that way, but I think it's
(46:47):
an experience for a lot ofpeople.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, I agree with that.
I think that that's one of thebeautiful things about being an
entrepreneur is that you havethe opportunity.
If you feel like you are notbeing fulfilled and you feel
like things are not moving inthe direction that you want them
to, you have the opportunity tomove in a different direction.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, when I think that early experience with, I
guess at the time I wouldn'thave considered myself an
entrepreneur, but if I was, Imean that's basically what it
was.
It was a photographer, right,like it was my business.
I was taking pictures of people, but it was the inability to
express what I wanted to do,right.
It was more so, like I feellike the lesson there was in in
(47:31):
being able to stand in like whatI do, and to be able to say no
to people.
But I'd like back then likethis is my early 20s I couldn't
say no.
It's like people wanted me todo all sorts of pictures at
weddings and I, literally Ican't stand doing weddings.
It's not a passion of mine, butI found myself doing it for the
paycheck no-transcript thing,and we are all like afraid of it
(48:14):
and I'm like I there's likesimultaneously like society,
right where I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm getting older and I look
different and my body looksdifferent.
But then at the same time I'mlike but it's also so exciting,
like the older I get, the less Icare, and it's not like, it's
not like a selfish thing, it'sjust like I don't care as much
about what other people thinkabout me anymore you know, yeah,
yeah and um, I, I have a mentorwho talks about the um, the
(48:38):
midlife transits, and I don'tknow a lot about them.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
But, um, the nodal return at the age of 37 is kind
of the beginning of the midlifetransits and it is so
fascinating to me how much morecomfortable I am in my skin
after that initial experienceand now knowing that I have all
of these other transits to lookforward to all the way up until
the age of 50.
(49:01):
And I'm actually really lookingforward to them.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's challenging my kids.
They were like I can't rememberwhat it was a few months ago
that my kids are like mom, areyou middle-aged?
And I'm like not yet, give methe next four years, let's not
talk about this.
But like I do notice.
It's just that, I think, is aconversation.
We don't have enough that agingconversation, because even you
(49:30):
know, I listened to my mom andshe's in her sixties and the,
the the like, almost likeunwillingness to admit that
aging is a thing like theavoidance of the conversation,
of it and it's I don't know.
Like I mean, you know,everybody has their things, you
know.
And, like I said, sometimes Ilook in the mirror.
I noticed, like, like I triedto do like something working out
the other day and I noticed myknee cracked and I was like oh,
like, come on.
But at the same time I justthink like the evolution of who
(49:53):
I am is so beautiful at this atthis age, right?
So I think like looking at itfrom that way, is is really cool
, definitely.
But how do you so kind of goingback to the whole, like you
know, the, the emotionalintelligence, how do you feel
like since your evolution, youknow, or since you first
discovered this in 2017 untilnow.
Like how do you feel?
(50:14):
Like your relationship withyour own emotions has like
shifted, like where was it then?
And kind of like what has theevolution been to be where
you're at now?
And like where do you thinkit's going?
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Um, so I look back at my twenties in particular.
So in 2017, I had just enteredmy thirties and I look back at
my twenties in particular and Icringe a lot.
And I look back at my 20s inparticular and I cringe a lot.
(50:47):
I was a person who feltuncomfortable taking
accountability.
I was a person who constantlyfelt like I had to live for
other people rather than livingfor myself.
I felt a huge responsibility tomaintain certain standards, and
when I had my astrology reading, I think I realized for the
(51:13):
first time that it was okay forme to live the life that I
wanted to live and to not be sofocused on being someone else
that someone wanted me to bethat I began to realize that my
(51:40):
passion for certain thingswasn't something that I had to
be ashamed of.
It wasn't something that Ineeded to, that I couldn't
follow.
I think so.
When I was a teacher, I wasreally afraid that I couldn't be
(52:00):
anything else other than ateacher because I had a master's
degree in education.
I had spent all this time andall this money focusing on being
a teacher and, in a lot of ways, I felt like I had failed
everyone when I decided that Ididn't want to be a teacher
anymore, and in 2017, that wasthe first year that I wasn't
(52:23):
teaching at all, and I thinkthat if I had not had that
astrology reading, I know forsure that I would still be
working in corporate and I wouldnot have my own company.
I would not be an entrepreneur,because in some crazy way I
think a lot of it conditioning Ifelt like I wasn't worth it.
(52:44):
I felt like I didn't have theskill set that was needed to be
able to bring all of thesethings that I was so passionate
about life.
I was afraid that some, thatpeople, wouldn't listen to me,
that I didn't have the authorityto speak on XYZ, and I think
that that moment sparked in methis deep desire to prove
(53:10):
everyone wrong.
Capricorn.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's interesting how, you know,
know, in our 20s we spend somuch energy and money in our
education to create this likeidentity, I guess, for ourselves
, and then when it kind ofcrumbles, we're just like, wait
what?
Now?
You, I you know I bouncebetween different things but
(53:39):
like even just having that finaldegree of like photography.
I'm like I'm a photographer andthen, like, for me, it was 2015
when I stopped.
No, 2000, might've been 2017 aswell yeah, when I cause I had
my son.
So, yeah, I think it was aroundthe same time and I was like I
same thing.
Well, I didn't go intocorporate, I went to a gym and
then I went into corporate, butlike that shift of not doing
(54:03):
that creative work anymore, youknow, it's really interesting
and I also think, like thatSaturn return and there's this
piece about.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
I think that 30 to 31,.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
That age is so interesting because it's like
everything that we knew for somereason around that time I don't
know if it's because of ourSaturn return, but it's like
everything that we thought thatwe knew about ourselves is like
all of a sudden confronting andlike, not like way to have to
build all over again, you know,and then like finding, I think,
through that, finding that thingthat really like gives you that
(54:34):
fire.
And some people are fortunateto find it in the early twenties
.
I wasn't.
I was, you know, going crazy,partying very much.
I have Jupiter in Pisces, so Iwas just very much in that phase
of my life.
I'm like I'm just going todrink and have fun.
And I mean I had my daughteryoung too, so that was a part of
it where I was forced to Iwouldn't say forced to be a mom.
I'm blessed to be a mom, but Idon't know, I didn't.
(54:56):
When I look at it, you know mydaughter's 14, I'm like man in
10 years.
If she had a kid, I would belike wait, just wait some more
time to figure yourself out, butwe all have our own journeys,
so I don't know it's interesting, yes, yeah.
So what do you feel like?
Um, just in, like kind ofcoming into a conclusion of this
(55:17):
or not conclusion, but likewhat, what would?
What advice would you givesomeone?
Kind of like coming into this,and also like what advice would
you have given yourself, like inhindsight, looking back at,
like you know, the earlierversion of you, to who you are
now?
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Well, I think that one of the biggest things I
would have told myself is don'tbe afraid to take up space.
I, as a child it's it's funnyto think about because I, as a
very young child, I took up alot of space.
I was always very active andtalkative and friendly.
(55:53):
And then I had this reallytraumatic experience around the
age of five that pushed me intoa shell of myself and I can
remember being in kindergartenor first grade and wanting to
audition for a play at thecommunity theater and I so
(56:15):
desperately wanted the main partbut I was so afraid to speak
that they wouldn't give it to me.
I was terrified to speak and,of course, my chyron's in Gemini
.
So I think that that was thebiggest lesson that I started to
have to deconstruct and tolearn was that it was okay for
(56:37):
me to speak and to share mystory and to take up space.
I think that, particularly forme as a woman, I was conditioned
to be the one who was in thebackground, and I know that a
lot of other women feel that wayas well.
Lot of other women feel thatway as well that it's important
(57:02):
to be quiet and it's importantto be more submissive and to
make everyone else happy ratherthan make yourself happy, and
that couldn't be further fromthe truth.
I think that in making yourselfhappy, you can then fill the
cup of others.
I have a friend who used to sayto me all the time selfishness
is the greatest form of altruism, because when we can be fully
(57:28):
fulfilled, we can then fill upother people, but when we're
trying to fill other people fromthis emptiness, it's not going
to.
It's not going to work.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
Yeah, yeah, that's really powerful.
Well, thank you so much forsharing all of your wisdom and,
you know, helping the audiencekind of like get in touch with
that piece of themselves, youknow, and specifically through
the chart, how can they find you, how can they work with you,
and is there anything thatyou're currently working on or
putting out in the world?
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Sure, so I, um, I have a membership community
called the Venusian society thatI, um, absolutely love.
It will be one this year inJanuary and June, really excited
about it, um.
And it is for femaleentrepreneurs who are in the
very early stages of theirbusiness, who are looking for
ways to incorporate all of theseholistic and spiritual
(58:23):
modalities into the way thatthey build their business, so
that registration for that isalways open if anybody's
interested.
And then I actually do thingscalled stellar strategy sessions
where I help people understandtheir astrology chart as it
relates to their business, andthen we take a look at what's
happening for them over the nextthree months.
(58:45):
We do it in a quarter byquarter basis, um, and try to
better understand when thingswill be supportive for them to
make certain choices in theirbusiness.
So yeah, and where can theyfind?
you Uh website.
So it's Megan and Dunhamcom.
Um, I'll make sure you give youthat cause my name is spelled
(59:07):
kind of funny and you can findme on threads and you can find
me on Instagram at Meganmdunham.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
Amazing.
I'll link it all up in the shownotes so they can just go.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
Speaker 2 (59:20):
Thanks for having me.
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