266. Sound Waves & Soul Shifts: The Magic of Vibrational Healing

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Rochelle Christiane podcast.
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This week on the podcast, I'mtalking to Cecilia, and we talk
all about frequency healing,sound healing.
We talk about the health.
We talk a lot aboutmanifestation and what that
looks like, how we can supportourselves in our manifestation
process.
It was really such afascinating conversation.
Cecilia Stabel you can find her.

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All of her information is downbelow in the show notes.
Cecilia is a sound alchemistand expansion mentor and, again,
this conversation was so goodbecause I think this was
recorded.
Oh, my gosh back in, like Marchmaybe, so it's been a minute
since it was recorded andeverything that I've been
experiencing through the summerwith manifestation, with

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meditation we talk about hermeditation practice and now that
I'm sort of on the other sideof that disciplinary piece to
implementing meditation everysingle day, twice a day, and the
transformation I found within.
It was really cool to re-listento this episode and still be
talking about manifestation andit was really interesting.

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She talked about the physicalhealth of the body and the
clients that she's worked with,and sometimes our own body is
limiting us in manifestingthings and also we're always
manifesting things right.
It's just like kind of whereyou're manifesting from, but the
ability to give your body,nourishing things, what it needs
.
And I kind of highlight thisbecause we're in Virgo season
and the new moon is on Sunday.

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You can get the new moon replaydown in the show notes.
So if you didn't catch, ifyou're not in the inner mother
collective and would like tojoin, that link is down below
and the new moon replay is alsodown below.
And yeah, this conversation wasjust really, really beautiful,
really good.
I'm really excited for you tolisten to it and I'm not going
to take up too much time here,but I did want to remind you

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aspects to really come in,because your chart isn't just
your chart.

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It's not something tointellectually learn and then
move on, which human design sayswhen you learn your chart, it's
still doing something in thebackground.
But this is really anexperimentation process.
This is learning how to embodyand lean into and work with it,
or allow it to work for you inyour everyday and day-to-day and
see what feels good and leavewhat doesn't.
We're learning the transits,how to track the transits.
We're going through archetypes,so what each planet means, what

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the gates mean, what thechannels mean.
This is a really beautifulsix-month container.
And it's six months becauseobviously human design,
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We are going deep into it andyou know even down to
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You can get the replay in there.
I also have a astrology andhuman design one-on-one program.
So if you want to just sort offeel what it would look like to
work in that container andreally just get the basics, the
foundation of your chart, justas a foundational understanding,
that is available for you there.
And, yeah, if you're feelingreally intensely right now

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because shit is wild, honestly,the transits, the astrology, the
collective, we're feeling a lotright now Ground yourself in to
your own, being anchor in andhonor where you're at and what
you're feeling and what's comingup, and know that whatever

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you're feeling is valid.
And also just a reminder youget to choose.
You get to choose how yourespond, you get to choose how
you react, you get to choosewhat you believe, and so feeling
empowered in that is abeautiful place to be,
regardless of sort of theexternal.
And yeah, if you want to readthe new boom post, it is

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available on Stubstack.
It should be out by the timethis episode comes out.
If not, it will for sure be outby Friday.
So, without comes out, if not,it will for sure be out by
Friday.
So, without further ado, here'sthe episode.
Well, welcome to the podcast.
Today we have Cecilia Stabel DidI pronounce that correctly?
Yeah, okay, sound alchemist andexpansion mentor, and I'm

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really excited for thisconversation because I think,
like so many of us, I'm sofascinated with manifestation.
I love that space where sciencemeets like woo right, where
it's like all the like.
It's so fascinating to me, andmanifestation for me is
something that I have dovedeeply into over the last few
years.
I think, like a lot of us,right, and sometimes it just
feels like it's just out ofreach right, like we're doing

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all the work but yet likenothing's like taking hold.
So again, I'm super excited toget into this conversation, but
we'll start with if you're opento sharing and if you know your
human designer astrology, andthen just like a little bit
about you, kind of like yourstory, any pivotal moments along
the way that sort of got you todoing what you're doing today.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, my human design .
I'm a six two, so I'm a littlebit of like a hermit, but also a
leader, which is very much agood description of the way that
I am.
I like I I'm very naturalleader, but I also really need
my own space and I'm a doublePisces sun and moon and then Leo
rising and yeah, and most of myfriends are like, oh yeah, the

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Leo is strong and like thePisces kind of comes in from
time to time, but I think I'm alittle bit more structured
probably than a lot of Pisces,even though I'm very creative.
So, yeah, which is neededsometimes when you have your own
business.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, I'm a Leo rising as well.
I love I completely interruptedyou.
I love meeting people so I findI so connect with Pisces
because it's in the eighth house, right, so anyone that's got
like heavy Pisces energy justcan like go there and we go deep
and so just side note, but Ilove it.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Amazing.
Yeah, you probably know so muchmore about astrology than I do.
I'm a little bit into the genekeys, which is like a mix of the
astrology and I Ching andKabbalah and like, yeah, emerge
of kind of going deeper, uh, butyeah, if you have perspectives
you want to drop in, please do.
I'd love that.
Um, so yeah, uh, and also inthe, the sign that I have like

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in in my gene keys, it's likeyou are gonna like struggle
until you're like around 30,like you're gonna like have your
lessons and your teachings andall that and that's very much
been journey.
I had a heavy metal poisoningfrom I was 18 until 26.
I was really sick.
I could barely read, I wasdepressed and very underweight
and just didn't feel any kind ofpurpose in my life and my whole

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life was just sucked in.
By trying to figure out whatwas wrong with me.
It took like four years tofigure it out and then about
four years of like reallyintensive detoxing and healing
and building back up my brain.
So I came out on the other sideof that and realized that I had
never really been an adultwithout being sick and I wanted
to be very conscious about thelife that I created, instead of
just defaulting to a life that Isaw so many people living

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around me that might work forthem but which is not anywhere
near the life that I decided tolive and I think probably also
this process of feeling so outof alignment and feeling such a
lack of purpose and lack ofenergy and anything I wanted to
do like I didn't have the energyto pursue it.
I was like fuck, no, I'm notgoing to spend my life now just
like doing things that I shouldbe doing.

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I'm going to take somedeliberate time to actually get
into what I want to be doing andI also recognize that, even
though I had actually nevercalled myself sick during the
process, like when you have beensick for such a long time, you
also it clouds your identity.
Like who am I?
Like I I used to be superdriven and, like you know, very
into sports, very best in myclass.

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Suddenly I could barely read.
So I also realized that thereare probably a lot of like
things that I have actuallytaken on a little bit on this
identity that I am going to keepshowing up as unconsciously if
I don't go in and kind of cleanthat up.
Because, as your listeners mightknow, 95% of our reality is
controlled by our subconsciousmind.
So what you said earlier aboutmanifestation, like sometimes we

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can, like really want it and itjust isn't happening.
And very often that is becausethat's the 5% of the conscious
mind who's like, oh my God, itwould be so cool to create this
business and I'm looking forthis impact and I want to be in
these stages.
And then the 95% is like, oh, Idon't feel worthy of that, and
if I double my business thenI'll double my stress and I

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definitely don't want to do thatand that.
And if I double my businessthen I'll double my stress and I
definitely don't want to dothat.
And then we go intoself-sabotaging patterns and
that looks very different forpeople.
Sometimes it can be, you know,overworking, or sometimes it can
be procrastinating, and it'sall of these different ways of
like hiding from our potentialand what we truly want.
So I kind of came out on theother side after I was sick and
then just realized that, oh, I'mgoing to end up probably doing

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that if I don't really startcleaning up here.
So I got really deep intomeditation.
In the beginning it was justpainful to sit down, close my
eyes and just sit with myselfand I was like I just need to
work out, I just need somesunshine, I just need some food,
and all of those are reallygreat habits and it's important
to have a good life and to behappy.
But part of me was kind ofescaping some part of like what

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was happening when I was sittingin silence.
So I was like I need to godeeper into this.
So I went to a meditationretreat for a week and had what
people call a kundaliniawakening, so that is, you know,
a spiritual awakening andsomething that will, like really
tap you into your life forceand your purpose.
For me it felt like in themoment, probably what people
talk about when they're talkingto, like a coming to God

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experience.
That's the only kind ofreference I had for it.
I was like this is more lovethan I had felt my entire life,
and it just felt like my heartjust blew open.
I had never felt this kind oflove and it just came from
within.
It was like so unconditionaland it just tapped me back into
this remembrance of like this iswho I am, this is what I'm here

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to do, almost like a deeperdestiny that I was just like
tapping back into, that I'dalways been there, available for
me, but I was just like, oh,now we're here, now the game
begins.
Um, and then came out of thatretreat and just realized, like
this is not an exclusive that Ihave with source, or the
universe or god or whatever youwant to call it.

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Like this is something that'savailable to all of us and I
really want to help peopleremember, because when we
connect to this universal lovethat's available to us, to this
energy that's there for all ofus, then I truly believe we can
really create magnificent things.
So that started a journey of,just you know, being curious and
traveling the world andstudying at a mystic school,

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studying to be a sound healer,studying to be a hypnotist,
reiki, kundalini, all of thesedifferent practices, after being
very much in like theneuroscience, biohacking space
when I was sick.
So, like you mentioned, I alsolove like merging the science
and the mysticism and also seeso many crossovers between the
two.
We just like uh as Joe Dispenza, a person that I've studied a

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lot with uh, likes to say, likethat, no, science is the
contemporary language ofmysticism and I find so much
truth in that.
There's so much overlap and somany things that they couldn't
necessarily explain with science.
But we see now today it's likeoh, that's actually what's
happening and that's really cool.
So I think the merge betweenthe two is is magnificent.

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Um, so now I I ended up likedeveloping my own sound healing
method.
So I travel around the world andI do that called vibrational
vortex, which is a mix of soundhealing.
I channel music through my voicethat's my main instrument and
then I use soundscapes at veryspecific frequencies and bring
in some hypnosis and Reiki andKundalini.

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So people, a lot of people, saythat they go into a similar
like a psychedelic state, butwithout any psychedelics,
because, again, we have accessto these states all the time and
we don't need substances inorder to access it.
We already have dmt in ourlungs, right, uh.
So, and for a lot of people itfeels a lot more safe, because
if you're in a psychedelicjourney, you can't just pull
yourself out, but if you're inthis kind of journey, you can be

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like no, this is too much, likeI'm leaving the room, right, uh
.
So, yeah, I do that and Imentor leaders and help them,
especially people that might notnecessarily be so conscious
about this work but are reallyambitious and what they want to
do to go in and unlock thesedeeper things so it can actually
, you know, level up to the nextlevel.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Thank you for sharing all that.
I'm like I have so manyquestions.
I guess we'll start backwards,because I'm always fascinated
with like frequency and youmentioned, you know, being able
to get into this likepsychedelic state through like
sound, and I mean, I think, atthe end of the day, it's
frequency, right.
We're putting ourselves in thisvibrational state that you
maybe would be in if had youtaken psychedelics.
And my understanding of it isalways, you know, psychedelics
are kind of like it's like opensthe door to it, but like you

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have to be the one to likeanchor in right To be able to
get those experiences.
And I've only had twoexperiences that have gotten me
close to what I would imaginethat being without taking like
psychedelics.
And it was one actually it wasa meditation.
I just like felt completely outof my body, like my kids were
running around and there was apart of me that was like I
should like come out of this,like, but I was like hovering

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above myself.
And the second one was ashamanic journey I took and
there was no psychedelicsinvolved, but I just was so I
don't know tapped into likeeverything around me.
So I think it's it's so amazing.
So I guess, if we're going tolike frequency and how that
works and sound healing, what isthat journey there?
Like how, if you know, evenmaybe merging the science and

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the woo right, like kind ofcoming to that space, cause it's
so beautiful and I think youknow, like you said, science is,
it's, it's all likeinterconnected, and I think like
science is really just provingthat all the other stuff that
we're so like disconnected withis really true, that we just
like couldn't see before.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
A hundred percent and science is only about 300 years
old.
And that is what we're likeproclaiming like everything has
to be scientific these days, andit's like we have these ancient
traditions that are thousandsof years old, that have been
working for thousands of years.
But it's like in, especially inthe West, it's like we have
almost lost the connection toour heart and our bodies a
little bit and we're justoperating from our mind.
So if it doesn't add up innumbers and we can't analyze the

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fuck out of it, then it doesn'treally matter.
And I love everything that Ican understand with science and
I can explain.
And then I also have been sohumbled to the fact that there
are things that I count, becausenature doesn't work in linear
ways.
It works in spirals and circles, in a completely different way
than what we usually viewreality, especially in the West.

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But everything when we'retalking about frequency and
we're talking about sound like,if we are looking at a molecular
level, like everything is madeout of atoms and molecules in
the entire universe, our bodies,everything around us, right,
and an atom has a nucleus andaround that nucleus there's
electrons spinning at all timesand those electrons create a
wavelength and a frequency, andwhenever there's frequency and
wavelength, there will always besound.

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So every single cell in theuniverse is always emitting
sound, but most of this is belowthe human perception.
It's like when a dog can hearvoices or noises that we can't
hear as human beings, andthey're like running away and
you're like what was that, butthey can clearly hear something
that we can't, and so it'ssimilar to that.
So much is beyond the humanperception of hearing, but a lot

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of this we still feel.
So most people often call thisa intuition or a feeling right,
we walk into a room and what'sactually happening?
When we're like walking in andwe're like, oh my God, like I
feel so welcome and no one haseven talked to you yet, or the
complete opposite, you're like,oh shit, someone had an argument
here and you're just feel itbefore you even spoke to anyone.
What's actually happening isthat we are exchanging

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information through these bigelectromagnetic fields that we
have around our bodies that canemanate up to nine meters
outside of our bodies if we knowhow to work with them and know
how to expand them.
So these electromagnetic fieldsare actually exchanging photons
of light and that's how wecommunicate, so we can go in and
we can use sound to go andchange the vibration of

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different parts of the body.
And if we have had trauma weoften talk about in more like
somatic and the somatic world,that trauma can get stored in
the body and that can createlike a resonance.
That's not the optimalresonance for that part of the
body because there's there'sfear, there's dangers, there's
just like this.
This trauma has been storedthere so we can go in and we can

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actually lay over a differentfrequency.
That's a healthy vibration forthat part of the body, and then
we can sink that back.
And the beauty of that is thatwe don't actually have to go
through the mind.
We can bypass the mind.
So if we have trauma that's sodeep that it's hard to access
through talk, therapy and eventhrough meditation or hypnosis

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or deep subconscious work,sometimes we need to go even
deeper to the body.
Uh, in the nervous system, Umand or it's sometimes, you know,
some people believe in, youknow, karmic relationships or
past life that can be very hardto access, uh, so then, going
deeper.
So the only requirement forthat to happen especially it can
be confusing for people,because oftentimes you don't

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understand what's happening.
It's like I feel this rage, orI feel this pain, or I feel like
I want to cry, but I don't knowwhat this is about.
And that is like what we reallyneed to do in order to heal it,
because the body doesn't needto know what happened, but it
just needs to allow, like foryou to allow yourself to feel it
.
That's how it gets released.
So that's why it's it's reallybeautiful because we can go in

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and we can release things thathave been dormant and stuck for
a long time.
And people come out on theother side and they're like Whoa
, I just feel like a new person,I feel like I'm suddenly like
magnetic.
And when we're talking aboutmanifesting as well and
attracting things into our life,that's also, especially if
we're talking about the quantumfield, that is, you know, like
attracts, like in the world offrequency.

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So if we are having thisbeautiful vision of what we want
to do in the world, but inthese 95% of our subconscious
mind and in our nervous systemthere's doubt and there's fear
and that's clouding ourfrequency and the resonance that
we're sending out into theworld.
And because our frequency ismade up of our thoughts, our
beliefs, our actions, but alsoour limiting beliefs and our

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traumas.
So if we think really, reallywant something, and then again
we don't feel worthy of it or wefeel like that's going to be
really stressful, I don't thinkI really want that and that's
also what we're emanating to oursurroundings.
So people might think like I'msuch a shitty manifester, like I
can never seem to like get thethings that I want, and it's
like, no, you're an amazingmanifester.

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You're just matching theresonance of your subconscious
mind, not of your consciousdesires.
So that's what is alwayshappening and people get a
little bit confused.
But like it's not happening forme and it's like, actually it
is, it's just matching the wrongthing, not what you want yeah,
yeah, and I think like sometimesin manifestation we forget to

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celebrate the little thingsright, like these little tiny.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
I try and journal at night of just like all my wins
during the day, even thoughthey're not like huge, like
things that maybe, like you know, it's oh, my dream's coming
true.
But I think there are littlethings during the day that we do
manifest, that we just don'trealize right, because we're
just living life and we glossover.
And so that in itself has kindof helped me to see the things

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that I am manifesting, becausefor a long time I was like I'm
just not manifesting anything.
It's not that anything bad washappening, I just wasn't moving
Right, like there was nothinglike.
No, like massive forwardmovement Right.
And when I started like kind ofredirecting it a little bit to
just like notice those littlethings, it was really helpful,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
No, go ahead.
No, because manifesting alsojust really means to bring
something into reality.
Right, and I think it's becomethis word especially it's become
a little like gimmicky now,like tiktok and stuff like that.
People just think like I thinkit, I snap my fingers and it's
here.
It's like this is an art, it'sa practice, it's a craft like
everything else, and the betteryou get at it, the more fun and

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faster and serendipitouslythings come in.
And sometimes it's the smallthings you know and it's, I
think sometimes we oh, it didn'thappen in two days.
It's like if you look back atyour life after you started to
include these practices in yourlife, how much magic has
happened in the last two yearscompared to the last two years
before you knew this.
I'm sure you'll see a hugeupgrade.
So sometimes I think we're justa little too impatient.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, and I think we don't realize, we don't see,
like behind the scenes, like theintense work that's gone in, or
even the length of time thatsomebody took to get to where
they're at Right.
We're just seeing them now andwe're like, oh my gosh, they
manifested this dream.
It must've just happened in thelast like three months, but
it's like probably sometimes adecade at least you know of like
this really intense work behindit.
But yeah, I definitely agreetoo, cause I think of my, you

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know my, I guess my journey, Iwould say, started about eight
years ago and there are thingsthat like I haven't achieved.
And you know, if you, obviouslywe can all go down that spiral
of like, oh my gosh, like Idon't have this or I don't have
that, but then when I thinkabout the human I am now versus
then, like dramaticallydifferent, right.
So I think that even justcelebrating that is the win in
itself, like I have a completelydifferent life, like everything

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is so different, apart from thehouse that I live in, but other
than that, it really has made adifference.
But if we're going back to thesound, how does?
Or I guess, if my understandingis, is the sound that sort of
like sound healing.
Is that working on those liketraumatic stories and things
like that?
Because I think, yeah, withtrauma it can be really sneaky,

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like we don't like.
I think there's a lot ofsubconscious beliefs that we
don't maybe attach to it or wejust haven't brought to the
light yet.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Right, and so 100 percent, and the more we level
up, the more these things aregoing to come up for us.
People think like, oh, the moreyou level up, the easier it's
going to get.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Like no, no no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Like the more you level up, the more pressure is
coming your way.
The more challenges, the moreresponsibility the more these
things tend to come to thesurface and you like are
battling some part of yourself,like you're like, why can't I
seem to get beyond this?
And that's often the sneakytrauma.
Because I had a super blessedchildhood, like previously, when
we were talking about trauma,like in our childhood, like I

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would never have thought that Ihad trauma because I I had a
very blessed childhood.
But I also realized now we weretalking about big t trauma and
little t trauma, right, and andlittle T trauma.
We all have that.
No one had a perfect life.
If you were a child and youfell and you rubbed your knee
and then started to bleed andthat was the most painful thing
that have ever happened to you,you didn't know if that was

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going to pass ever.
It was like, oh my God, thatcould have been a trauma for you
in that moment and the body canstill remember that.
So it doesn't have to be thesehuge experiences, as long as it
like made an impact on you rightthere, and then it could be a
hurtful comment, like, whateverit is, it can stay stuck and it
can create these limitations andpatterns in who we think we can
become and also what we kind ofpatterns that we also become

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addicted to very often, andsometimes these can show up and
also, if it doesn't get toooverboard, it's a functional
pattern.
You know, like a lot of highachievers they tend to.
You know, work really hard andthat's a great attribute, until
you go into this hustle,overworking mode where you can't
really quit and suddenly youcan't enjoy any of the time that
you're not working because youthink you should be working, and

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then that's a spiral of itselfthat is like oh, maybe I don't
think I'm worthy of success andI've learned that I have to work
hard in order to achieve goodthings in the world, because a
lot of people heard that whenthey were young.
Right, you have to work hard ifyou want to achieve something.
And then they just workthemselves to the ground in
order to achieve something, andmaybe they have an unworthiness

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issue as well, so they don'tfeel worthy of receiving money
or receiving abundance.
So they're like I'm working sohard and nothing's coming my way
, and they have these twoconflicting patterns that are
just driving them to the ground.
And those are the kinds ofthings that we can go really
deep in and work on, because Ithat's also part of the reason
why I layer in hypnosis and Ialso layer in something called
isochronic tones's, similar tobinaural beats, but just for

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speakers.
So it helps train the brainwavesto a certain frequency and we
can bring them into a thetabrainwave state, which is a
hypnotic state, a trance state.
And when we go into alpha ortheta brainwave state we go into
a trance and we open the gatesof the subconscious mind and we
can go in and we can start toreprogram the mind and drop
these little seeds of new thingsin there.

(25:18):
And when we're in theta I don'tactually have to talk anymore,
I can just sing and I can layerin frequency, because when we're
in theta we see frequency aspictures and stories.
So this allows everyone to beon their own unique journey
that's kind of tailored to theirpattern, instead of me being
like okay, now we're going toget rid of your unworthiness

(25:38):
wound.
If there is something else thatyou really need to work on, the
frequency will guide thattransformation, and that's
what's so beautiful about it.
So it's.
It allows us to kind of that'swhy I work with both the mind
and the body at the same time,because they're so connected and
it's it's all working together,the body at the same time,
because they're so connected andit's it's all working together.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I definitely think you know, a lot
of the work I do is just is inembodiment, is trying to get out
of the mind right and into thebody, and I think that that's
such an important piece to itbecause, you know, we're we're
all spiritual beings, havingthis human experience, and I
think we want to avoid it, right, we want to like get out of the
body.
I don't know, and especiallyand especially you know, with
astrologically you, leo risingTaurus is in your 10th house.

(26:17):
I don't know if it's where yourmid heaven is or not, but
Taurus, for you, is in the 10thhouse of like career and outward
facing personality and evenjust you know, people who are on
YouTube can see it, but you'relike your background right now.
It just is very like Taurus tome like the groundedness and the
nature and things like that.
But yeah, but it's reallyinteresting and I know you have

(26:37):
like a three-step process rightFor manifestation and are you
open to sharing a little bitabout that?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
So I call it the inner lightactivation process, and the
first part is it's a lot of whatwe talked about right now.
It's overcoming thesubconscious beliefs and really
working deeper on the mind andthrough meditation, through
hypnosis and, first of all,through awareness.
I think a lot of us we can,just if we just ask ourselves

(27:02):
that question like what is thebiggest block right now in my
life?
Like there's going to besomething that's just like fuck,
I just can't seem to solve mygut issues, I can't seem to get
to the next level of my career,can't seem to attract my
soulmate, I feel like I have nocommunity, like there's going to
be something that's justinstantly popping up and like
hurting a little bit, likethat's a good place to start,
you know, and then actuallyasking yourself why am I afraid

(27:25):
of receiving this?
Because if we just ask, thenvery often the question will
come like this and it can be ananswer that will be like that
makes no sense.
The subconscious mind very oftenmakes no sense.
It's very metaphorical, it'svery it's just stored from so,
so long ago.
So whatever is coming up as ananswer to that question like
this is usually it, and thenactually like asking why?

(27:47):
So, for example, I believe I'mnot worthy of love.
That could be like somethingfor someone right and I can.
I believe I'm not worthy oflove because I'm not a good
person, right.
And so then we kind of find thedeeper root issue you think
you're not a good person, so youthink you can't attract people.
And then we have a place tostart where we can start working
on it and sometimes justactually going in and using our

(28:11):
mind as well and being like isthis actually an absolute truth?
Like it might have been howsomeone had made me feel, or
some experiences in life havelike made me internalize that
narrative.
But isn't an absolute truththat I'm unlovable?
It's not right.
I'm inherently worthy, I amlove.
That's the nature of who we allare.
So starting there and like, ohshit, this is not true.

(28:34):
And then going a little bitdeeper through, I love to use
hypnosis.
I use a lot of like EFT tappingvery, very potent.
For people that are notfamiliar with that, you tap on
different meridian points in thebody, similar to what we do if
we go to acupuncture, forexample, and it's really helping
resolve and just release a lotof these patterns that's stored

(28:56):
in the body emotionally, uh.
So yeah, we can go throughphrases of like, like tapping on
these different meridian pointsand there's different sequences
, and then just reciting thethings that we think maybe are
not working, like I don't feelum lovable because I'm not
worthy, for example, and thenreciting some good affirmations

(29:17):
later, and then that will startto be imprinted, actually in the
nervous system.
So very kind of weird.
My mom's done this for 15 yearsand I remember like in the
beginning, when I learned it, Iwas like that's a weird thing,
but it works so well, like forPTSD, for depression, for
anxiety, super effective andthen.
So there's a lot of differentways, obviously, to access the

(29:39):
subconscious mind.
I use a lot of meditation andalso to get really clear on
where we want to go, because ifwe have no clarity of our vision
, then even though that's youknow in the conscious mind, then
it's going to be really hard toget there.
It's like you can't hit goal ifyou can't see it, if you don't
know where you're shooting Right, and the point is not even to
get to the goal you set out inthe first place, but it's about

(30:00):
the process we're going throughwhen we're trying to get to that
goal and the person we'rebecoming in that process, and
that's really the whole point.
But we need to have a goal inorder to step into that
personality and that reality,and so often we realize things
on the way that we didn't evenknow existed when we started and
be like, oh, there's completelydifferent world out there.
Like, oh, there's bigger goalsfor me, right, but when we, if

(30:22):
we didn't begin, we wouldn'thave been able to see those new
things.
So we need to just startsomewhere.
And then we layer that with thesecond part of the system,
which is the cellular light.
Cellular light and that is moreabout strengthening the body
and actually really getting intothe body, because so many

(30:44):
people like, if I would havemanifested what I wanted when I
was really sick, I would justhave collapsed under the weight
of my own vision.
Like my body was not able tohold that.
I was so anxious and depressedand fragile that I couldn't hold
my dreams in my physical body.
And I think that's something alot of people miss out on.
Like our nervous system isactually built in our physical

(31:06):
body, similar to when we haveelectrical wires in a house,
because our nervous system isactually running on electricity.
So electrical wires in a househave insulation through plastic
right, and if the plastic is notthere, then the energy just
dissipates and our cells needsto be insulated with the right
fatty acids.
If they're not, ourcommunication between our

(31:27):
nervous system and our mind isgoing to be really poor and we
might feel like we are havingpanic attacks or we're getting
really like riled up or likefeel like we have ADHD.
We can't focus or we feel verytired when we should be like
ramped up.
We can't really control ourstate.
It's similar to if I were toturn on the light in the room
right now and the lights juststarted blinking instead of like

(31:48):
turning on in the right way.
Because you don't have theright insulation of your
communication system, nothing'sgoing to work.
So I obviously, like you heardbefore, I'm like also been
really into the science and intothe biohacking world, so that's
where I bring in a lot of thatand I see especially a lot of
tends to be a lot of people inthe spiritual world that are
very like into manifestation,and I also say more of those

(32:10):
people are are vegan, and that'snot necessarily an issue itself
, but it's a lot harder to getthe right fatty acids and I see
just a lot of lack of nutrients.
That's really important for thebrain and for the nervous
system and if we don't have that, you can do all the
visualization, all thesubconscious work and trauma
work in the world, but you'relikely not going to be able to
manifest what you want becauseyour body is just going to fight

(32:33):
against you.
So sometimes it can be noworries, sometimes it can be at
least just you know, smallchanges that we need to make.
But like making sure that weget the right fatty acids,
especially actually saturatedfatty acids or the most stable
fatty acids that we want tobuild our like cell membranes on
, and then getting the rightproteins, because proteins are

(32:55):
what builds ourneurotransmitters and that's the
communication signals in thenervous system.
So that's what builds, you know, dopamine a lot of people I've
heard about, especially inrelation to social media, like
it's tapping or dopamine, anddopamine is the motivation
molecule.
Uh so, and we have serotonin,which is more like feeling
content and just happy in theserene state, and acetylcholine,

(33:17):
which is super important forcreativity.
All of these molecules arebuilt of fat and of protein.
So if we're not and again, alot of people that are vegan
sometimes don't get enoughprotein.
So this is something I see witha lot of them.
So if you just bring in somemore protein and some more fatty
acids, suddenly they like Ithought I was an unmotivated
person and then I just ate alittle bit differently and

(33:38):
suddenly, like my brain islighting up and I can like I'm
not anxious anymore and I canactually do shit and things are
coming my way somewhat moreeffortlessly.
So bringing in the component ofthe body is also really
important and we also go deeperhere.
We already spoke a little bitabout the nervous system work,
but that's also, you know, partof like anchoring it into the
body with somatic practiceswhere we really connect to to

(34:01):
the soma, to the emotions that'sstored in the body through
through breath work, alsothrough sound.
Healing can be through dance,and they're also just
acknowledging, like theresponses that we have, because
we all go into these differentpatterns all the time.
I have been like checkingmyself lately because, as I told
you earlier, like we're, as welevel up, we're gonna keep
layering into new patterns andsee new things that we keep

(34:22):
doing and really like being like, oh, layering it back and be
like, oh, being conscious of it.
Okay, I'm gonna tap a littlebit on this, I'm gonna go into a
breathwork journey on this andjust allowing ourself to feel
what's coming up, but also like,okay, I have resources where I
can go in and I can alchemizethis.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, it's so interesting.
So I've been vegan for 14 yearsand in the like the last six
months or so I've really beenconsidering I I've added eggs in
here and there, but like mybody has just craved sort of
different foods.
Like I noticed I wanted fishlike six months ago and I was
like, cause I'm it's not like Idon't know I just saw something

(35:05):
I didn't like on TV Like a whileago.
It was like some hog huntershow and I was like, oh, I can't
do it anymore and I was avegetarian off and on high
school, um, and then so I just Istarted doing it, that.
So it wasn't really for anyparticular reason other than I
was just kind of like grossedout, um, so anyway, so I tried
like salmon and I just didn'tsit well with me.
But I'm trying to like exploremore because I I find my body
craving these different things.

(35:25):
So it's interesting that you saythat and I wonder just maybe
because of the work that I'mdoing, you know feeling that
kind of like over the last sixmonths I've definitely felt this
like stuckness, right, and soit's just I know I was listening
to you talk I'm like I wonderif that's why my body's like
reaching out for something tosupport me that might be more
than what I'm currently givingit.
Um, I do believe there are waysthat we can do it, being vegan,

(35:46):
but I'm just trying to liketrust what my body is telling me
and like moving me towards.
So it's just an interestingpart and I think that we do get
very used to.
This is where the body is.
I think the body is challengingin that sense because food, you
know, when it comes to givingup like alcohol or cigarettes or
like anything else like that,we can kind of avoid those

(36:07):
places, but when it comes tofood, we can't avoid food
because we need it to survive,right.
And we have all of these likecomfort foods or, um, you know,
getting the dopamine from thecookies or or whatever.
It is Right.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
And so I think it's a little bit more challenging
because we really have to beintentional and, um, I don't
want to say strong-willed,because I think that we it's
100% possible, but I think thatthe food piece is a little bit
more challenging for some people, yeah, and then also realizing,
like you just mentioned, withcookies that are like affecting
the dopamine system, actuallyunderstanding that food are also
molecules that will affect yourbody, and then giving it the

(36:39):
things that will affect you in agood way, where it's like, oh,
I'm feeling satiated, I'mfeeling focused, I'm feeling
light, I'm feeling bright, I'mfeeling like, I'm feeling
grounded, right, and especiallyfor people that are vegan, like
you just mentioned, like gettingin in, like I would definitely
recommend for most peoplesupplementing with b vitamins,
because that's also reallyimportant building blocks for
the neurotransmitters of thebrain and magnesium.

(37:02):
It's like two things.
That is like almost foreveryone, a really good thing,
and you can still get absolutelyenough protein.
It's going to be harder to getlike the right kind of like
branch chain amino acids, andyou just need to be more
conscious of it.
So for most people, it can begood to like supplement with
some protein powder.
So just like to kind of likehave a little bit of like a
extra security check, you know,um, but I also think the body

(37:26):
will tell you, like you justmentioned, like I remember I was
vegan for around eight months,um, and then I was just dreaming
about fish, you know know, andsalami, which I don't even
really like, and it was just mybody like we need some of those
fatty acids in that protein,right, and I was like, okay, and
I could literally feel my brainturn back on when I started
eating that.
So sometimes, like it alsodepends a little bit on genetics

(37:50):
Some people will start to craveit very fast and other people
it takes a little bit more time.
And obviously, if you're morediligent about actually getting
the right nutrients into yourdiet, so, but just also, yeah,
making sure that you get enoughprotein and enough fatty acids,
because a lot of vegan also arevery heavy on the carbs, because
there's a lot of you knowgrains and root vegetables and

(38:11):
all of that and fruits often.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, for sure, and I I've never felt like deprived
or sick or anything like thatfrom my diet, but again, just
kind of trusting the body, right, like I've added in like a high
quality collagen, whichobviously is very not vegan, but
I just was called to it and Iwas like you know, I'm just
going to experiment with this inmy protein powder, like
whatever, right.
So I think it is trusting andletting go of the shame of you

(38:33):
know.
I think veganism has becomethis thing that maybe it's not
wasn't originally like intendedfor, right.
So it's kind of like it's thisweird ego thing now where I'm
like I guess I'm not reallyvegan anymore, but it's like
weird to detach from thatidentity because it's been so
long of me being vegan, you knowyeah.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
But that's also what we're talking.
That's that's the reality oftransformation.
Right, if we want to transform,we need to step into new
identity and into new reality,because our identity is usually
what holds us back.
Like I'm not saying that youneed to transform necessarily
from this pattern, but justrelating it to manifestation.
Like the reason we're notgetting to a new place is
because we're taking makingchoices as identity.
We are today Like the fastestways to get somewhere else is

(39:15):
like getting to that vision andlike, oh shit, what would that
version of me do?
And like start acting like thattoday.
And I do that quite often and Ihave people look at me like I'm
delusional and insane.
But they're also like how thefuck do you collapse time so
fast?
And I'm like because I did thething you told me not to do,
which you thought was insane.
But if you have that level ofself-trust and you're like I'm

(39:36):
going to figure this out and youinstead of if we always take
all this like feedback andinformation from everyone else,
then every single one person inyour life is going to have
different opinions about whatyou should do and how you should
handle your life.
So, instead of being like no, Itrust myself, I trust where I'm
going and I feel like this isthe right step.
And if it feels a little bitfearful, but you know in your

(39:59):
heart that this is the truth,that's exactly where you need to
be.
That's when you take quantumleap.
If we wait until we're ready,then we're not really leaping.
We're already there when wefeel ready, like.
So it's this part of us that'slike, addicted to the certainty
of like, knowing that it's allgoing to work out, instead of
like no, I'm going to takeruthless action and I'm going to
surrender to the outcome andI'm going to know that I'm.

(40:19):
Hey, maybe I don't end up whereI wanted to, but I'm going to
learn some amazing lessons onthe way anyways.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, how do we?
Because I think that thataction piece is the hardest
piece for a lot of people,because it's so easy to you know
, think and journal and meditateand do all the things behind
the scene.
When I do think, like you said,that collapsed in that timeline
, it is from taking the action,it's from doing the thing right
and that's the thing that reallywill shift your reality.

(40:45):
So, for people who maybe justwho are, whether it's fear or
trauma or just something, youknow, the mind like exactly like
you said, like the mind wantsto be certain, like, well, if I
do this, this is going to happenand it just that never really
works that way.
But what like advice or whatwould you say to people who?
That is, you know, the hardestpiece of it.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Starting to like get really clear in your vision and
then start to visualize it.
Because when we start tovisualize it we close our eyes
and we not only visualize itwith our mind but we allow
ourself to get so fucking clearin that vision that we could
step into that reality and wecould be there and we could feel
it in our hearts, because theheart is what connects us to the
quantum field.
The heart has over 40,000neurons.

(41:24):
That's separate from the brain.
It has an electromagnetic fieldthat's 5,000 times stronger
than the mind.
So if we want to be magnetic,we really need to turn on the
heart.
And if we allow ourself to thengo into this experience and
really feel it and imagine it sovividly as if we're there,
we're starting to rewire ourbrain to actually get
comfortable at this new level asif we're already there.
So we're starting to change oursubconscious also while we're

(41:48):
doing this and we have a systemin the brain that's called the
reticular activating system, andthat's the system that's kind
of like the portal between thesubconscious and the conscious
mind, because if we were totaking everything that's
happening in, happening in ourreality at all times, we would
be so overwhelmed.
We are seeing less than 0001%of reality because we're
filtering our reality at alltimes.

(42:09):
So that's the reason why we'relike going to like, oh, you want
to buy a new car and suddenlyyou see that car everywhere.
It's not because, like,suddenly everyone got that car,
it's just because suddenlyyou're filtrating for it and
you're seeing it all around.
And the same thing works withour mind.
So when we start like actuallygetting into that vision of what
we want and we start feelingcomfortable, more and more

(42:30):
comfortable at that new level,even though it feels very far
away now, because when somethingis vividly imagined, your mind
cannot tell if you're there orif it's something you're
imagining.
So you're starting to calibrateyour body and your mind and
your nervous system to youalready being there.
So when we start doing that, wealso start filtering our
reality for the things thatwe'll need in order to get to
that vision, because we're like,ah, that person suddenly, and

(42:53):
we're also changing thefrequency of our body to be more
in resonance with these people,because we have changed our
beliefs and we're also changingthe nervous system as we're
doing this.
So that's why I'm such aproclimate, like I love
meditation and visualization andhypnosis experiences because
it's also very accessible forpeople Like.
I love that people usually likehate sitting down and like
actually taking some time,usually to sit with themselves,

(43:14):
and that's the hardest battle.
But it's very accessible, likeyou don't need any money, you
just need to prioritize it.
Um, it's not.
It's not, it's just theinvestment of time.
Um, so when we start doing that, we can see amazing experiences
in our reality and collapsetime really fast.
And it's interesting that yousay like most people like have a
hard time taking action.

(43:35):
Because what I see is like it'svery much either.
Or Some people are so stuck inthe action that they have no
time to strategize or becreative and they're just going,
going, going until theysuddenly realize, fuck, like
this train is going in the wrongdirection because they haven't
even had enough time to likeorient themselves.
They're just so addicted todoing right Instead of like oh,

(43:57):
taking a step back and beinglike okay, what's actually going
on here?
Where do I actually want to be?
And that's just different waysof the nervous system of
expressing like being in adistressed state where we're
even either in like a fightresponse or flight response, or
we're in a more like freeze orfawn state where we're not able
to take action.
So usually when we will havedifferent, different people will
have a little bit of likedifferent default patterns very

(44:19):
often, but we all kind of fallinto different patterns at
different times depending onwhat's going on yeah, and so for
both these type of people, yourecommend the visualization
meditation.
Yeah I do, um, and for I thinkfor the people that are have a
tendency to like, really like,do way too much, like it's
sometimes a little bit harderbecause or probably for both but

(44:41):
when you're very used to beingin this like state of overdrive,
and a lot of people that aretype a and they're leaders and
they're very accomplished,they're also priding themselves
on this.
Like it's like I'm workingharder than anyone else you know
, and it's like I'm doing all ofthese things and then realizing
like, yes, you and theyprobably also had amazing
accomplishments doing that right, it's like it's what I built my

(45:02):
success on.
And then like, yes, but if youwant to get to the next level of
this game, then we need adifferent strategy, because you
are hitting a ceiling and you'renot getting there.
So taking a step back and thenfor those people, when they are
relaxing, their nervous systemis likely going to go into a
very dysregulated state becausethey're not going to feel safe,

(45:23):
because you're not in motion,because that's their default
pattern.
So suddenly they're like what'sgoing on?
Like I can't take action.
It's going to be hard sometimesto be present when they're
trying to relax or trying to dolike be with their friends and
they're just thinking of work.
You know they can't really getout of it.
Um, so it's just kind of, yeah,starting to acknowledge that
and also realizing like, okay,this is a pattern.

(45:45):
And then using tools like, forexample, tapping is something I
love to use in the momentbecause it's very rapid.
It's like you can feel emotioncome up and you're like okay, I
feel so dysregulated right nowand you can start to tap and we
have all of these different waysso we can regulate the nervous
system.
In the moment we can danceright.
It's an amazing way, especiallyif we're having a lot of this
like overdrive energy.
Just move the body and get itout, going for a walk or going

(46:08):
for a run, because if we're inforward motion, then the body
actually believes that we'relike going forward on our
mission, even though we mightnot be doing that.
We're just moving forward inthis physical reality, or even a
fun one is chewing gum, likethat's actually something that
will also help regulate you andlike bring you into a more calm
state, because often food willalso help like calm our nervous

(46:30):
system.
So if we were not we'reundernourished, for example it's
going to be really hard to getyou into a parasympathetic state
, no matter what, because yourbody is going to feel like
you're not secure or safebecause you don't have enough
nutrients.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
So yeah, I love that.
Yeah, tapping is when I alwayswill do it, like right here.
I mean, I do tapping sequences,but when I'm feeling anxious,
like for whatever reason.
I did EMDR therapy for quite afew years, so I don't know if
it's just that like kind ofmovement that does it for me,
but yeah, it's so.
It's so interesting becauseit's like it is these like
really simple practices.
I think that we are soresistant to, and maybe it's the

(47:07):
resistance of the change, likeyou said, it's the resistance of
like that subconscious beliefof like I'm not worthy or I
can't handle it, or it's toomuch responsibility, right, so
we're just like it's, it's sosneaky.
The subconscious like weself-sabotage in so many ways
and we all do this, Like I teachthis.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
I still do this, Like it's not like I'm doing this
perfectly either.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Right.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
It's like and this is sneaky patterns and suddenly
like shit.
I thought that that was thegreatest part about me and now
I'm realizing like Ooh, that's apattern I haven't seen, you
know, and it might be likefunctional in some ways, but it
also has some dysfunction to it.
And as we level up and get moreresponsibility and more impact
and more, there's also comingmore challenges.

(47:46):
Maybe there's more people tomanage, right, there's like all
these new things.
Then there's going to be newlayers of that You'll see come
to life.
So it's always evolving, yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah, I.
So I think it's.
It's a lot in like those habits,right, and which is, I think,
why, whether it's meditation ortapping, because we're so used
to a certain structure withinour day.
But I like, even yesterday, Isat down in the morning and I
pulled the tarot card of justlike what I needed, and it was
like inner child work and thingslike that, and so I was sitting
there with it and I was like,okay, well, today, when my kids

(48:15):
want my attention, instead ofdoing work right, which I'll,
you know, edit or whatever it islike work, I will my intention
was to be just present with themin those moments, right.
And I even found myself my sonwanted to go outside and play,
which requires me to go outsidewith him, you know, and I was
going to be like, no, I'mworking.
And I was like no.
You literally sat this morningand said, when this came up, and
it's like the universe isgiving you these opportunities,
right, and it's so easy to belike, well, no, I'm working

(48:37):
right now, we'll do it later.
So it doesn't feel like alife-changing moment, but it's
like the fact that you're doingthat action right that you had
already set forth for yourselfin the morning, just like kind
of building that trust withinyourself.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
A hundred percent.
And I think it's interestingalso how so many of us will,
like always prioritize work overour friends.
In a way, it's like, oh, Ican't, I have a meeting, I can't
, I have this work call.
It's like it's never like forwork I can't, like I have I
really need to call my friendright now, like I really need to
be there for them right now,like obviously if it's something
like really big.
But just like also rememberinglike how important relationships

(49:13):
are in our life, and I thinkoftentimes we don't remember
that until we're veryundernourished by it or someone
is like really having a hardtime, or we're really having a
hard time and we're like shit, Ihaven't really been like
nourishing my friendships, likewho's going to be here for me
right now, you know, and thenjust like allowing ourselves to
also take time to that, to taketime to be in the enjoyment of
life.
Because when we do that, whenwe're happier, when we're more

(49:35):
radiant, when we're moremagnetic, that's also when we
start attracting all these funthings into our life.
Like a lot of the one-to-oneclients that I have like it
comes in.
They're like ridiculous ways Ihave.
I have this like on my um, uh,on my sheet where they're kind
of filling things out.
It's like why do you want towork with me?
And it's like I saw you in ameditation years ago, like it's

(49:56):
like that.
And it's like rapidly, likewhere, after a sound healing,
like I had just just like deepknowing that we've been in the
same state and I just need towork with you, so and that's
something I can strategizemyself too.
It's like so.
I think, when we are reallydeeply devoted to our mission
and we're like emanating, thatwe're in our truth, we're in

(50:16):
alignment, then the right peoplewill also start to drop in and
the right experiences thebiggest kind of things I've done
in business, the biggestcollaborations I've done this
year all have happened throughlike the biggest synchronicities
, and that's what becomes so funwhen we start playing this game
.
It's like what is that?
Even like what you know, and wecan just be like, and then we

(50:37):
get to do it over and over again.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yeah, I love that.
Yeah, because I think like somany times it's so easy to get
taken away with, like what youshould be doing, or what this
person is doing, what thatperson is doing Right, and it's
just like throwing it away andjust kind of trusting yourself
and following those things thatdrop in, right.
It's like, yeah, there's somany times like I'll ask for
something and then it comes, butI feel uncomfortable, so I be
like our subconscious, right, itcan be like a deeper part of us

(51:07):
that's like oh, I really wantthat, but I don't really feel
worthy of that.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
So then we're like not answering the email or not
taking action, or like, maybelike ready to speak with that
big of a stage, and you're, likeyou know, like procrastinating,
and suddenly the opportunity isgone or whatever it is, instead
of being like fuck, no, this iswhat I said that I'm gonna do,
and I feel the fear.
It's okay, you're there, I'mhonoring you, maybe I'm tapping
a little bit on it, maybe I'mdoing some hypnosis work on it,

(51:31):
maybe I'm doing some somaticwork on it, but I'm not gonna
let this fear stop me fromclaiming who I know I can be,
because if we wait again untilthe fear is gone, then we're
going to be waiting forever,because the fear also gets
obliterated by we being likefuck no, like my potential is
greater than the fear and thendoing it anyways, yeah, yeah,

(51:52):
for sure.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
So what does this look like, these practices,
whether in your personal life orjust like in general?
What does it look like in, likeyour average day, like how
should we be incorporating it?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I love to meditate every morning or else in the
evening.
Right now I'm trying to getinto like a deeper practice
because I just there's been alot of leveling up in my
business and a lot of differentthings and I've really felt
myself being like going into.
One of the patterns that I tendto go into is like overworking
and like in more in like ahustle mode and be like, oh, all
of these things, right, and Iknow that that's not what magic

(52:23):
happens in my life.
So I've been like, okay, no,there's so much going on.
We're scaling it back.
We're like really prioritizingour practices or meditation.
So if we meditate first thingin the morning or just before we
go to bed, that's when thebrain is naturally in an alpha
brainwave state, so that's whenwe have very easy access to the
subconscious mind and into theseprogramming.
So if we haven't meditated somuch before, like meditation is

(52:44):
very similar to like physicaltraining, right, the more we do
it, the better we get at it.
So a lot of people are like Ican't meditate.
It's like if you can worry, youcan meditate, because you're
just keeping your focus on onething at a time and that's the
same thing you're doing whenyou're worrying, it's just
giving a very differentemotional response, right, so
allowing ourself to do that.
So I love to do that firstthing in the morning or in the
evening and then usuallybuilding like a visualization

(53:06):
practice where it's like reallygetting into the visualization
like I talked about earlier,like where I want to be and like
the future vision and like whatI want to do and feeling it and
dropping into right now I'mactually meditating for about an
hour a day, like in the morning, and I know that's not
accessible for everyone, but, um, I, this is like the work that
I do.
So I also really love to todeepen my practices, um, and

(53:27):
then having these like tappingsequences, like you mentioned.
You have this like just pointhere that you love to do when
you feel stressed.
I love the karate point.
That's right here for thepeople that are watching on
YouTube.
It's like if you yeah, and ifyou're listening, like you
understand, like if you're doingkarate or like like through a
block or something, it would belike the the back of your hand,
like on the side there, and justtap with four fingers right

(53:48):
here, and that's also very goodfor stress and for just
resetting the system.
So if we uh doing that combinedwith something called box breath
, which is like breathing in forfour seconds, holding for
seconds, breathing out for fourseconds, holding for four
seconds, that's very potent forlike just down regulating our
system If we're feeling likewe're getting activated and want

(54:10):
to go into a fight or flightmode or we're feeling very
stressed in our day to day.
So that is, box breath isactually something that was
developed in by Navy SEALs andthey used to use in combat when
they were like.
You know that can be prettystressful and like to really
like calm themselves and bepresent.
So that's something that I findis like very quick and easy.
And then, obviously, if youhave time to do breath work and

(54:32):
and stuff like that, that'samazing, but it can be.
Maybe that's something you doonce a week or like it's
something that you set aside, iton set some time, time aside on
on the weekend for um.
And then, obviously, gettingthe nutrition and, like we
talked about earlier, makingsure we try to eat mostly whole
foods with and getting enoughfat and protein.
And then what we didn't talk somuch about is also bringing in

(54:53):
deliberate stressors because ournervous system, the way that we
build it and make it strongerand more resilient is by
stressing it.
So a lot of people right now areso obsessed with balance and
you're not meant to be balancedall the time.
Like if you are trying to bebalanced all the time, you're
going to be really weak, likeyou're not going to be able to
able to tackle a lot of thingscoming your way and you're

(55:15):
probably just going to get moreanxious and more stressed over
time if you're never challengingyourself, because the way we
build resilience is by gettingchallenged.
So obviously we want to do thatwith like things that are
responsible and actuallybuilding us stronger, like
working out I really loveinterval training for this very
good stressor for the nervoussystem, same for heavy strength
training and lifting, and alsohot and cold therapy, like doing

(55:38):
um, I have a cold plan chair orif you have like a cold river
nearby, but even taking a coldshower, for like something
happens in like two minutes and40 seconds so ideally it would
be like three minutes and makingsure that we don't just put our
feet in, because most of thereceptors are up here, like on
our shoulders and our chest andlike on the upper back, um and

(55:59):
like actually feeling the stress, because when we do normally
that will bring us into a moreof a parasympathetic after like,
especially like both withworkouts and with cold therapy,
and it builds neurons in thebrain, makes us more creative
and helps us also rewire.
So it's incredible practices toinclude on the day to day.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yeah, I love that.
I'm like chronically cold soI've tried to do like cold
plunges or cold showers and Iresist it so hard, which maybe
that means it's the thing Ishould be doing, but like I have
such a hard time with that.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
But yeah, it's actually interesting that you're
saying that, because when we'redoing cold therapy, it kicks up
the um, your own metabolism.
So very often you will feel alot warmer, like a few hours
later, and it's also somethingthat you might need to train the
body up a little bit.
If you have been sick for awhile or you have a very weak
weak nervous system that's notable to handle a lot of stress,

(56:53):
then you don't want to startwith like three minutes and like
ice cold shower.
And for women it's also alittle bit different like,
especially right before a period, right before avelation like
it's better to not do it so coldif you want to do it, because,
um, we need also this is alsolike cold will also reduce
insulin and we actually need alittle bit higher insulin levels
in order to go through thesebiological processes.

(57:15):
So it's a little bit morenuanced how we do it, but then
also, yeah, I would encourageyou to actually start doing it,
and for people that are likethis is a lot, you can start
with face dunking, like facedunking just your head, and
that's a good way, because youhave a lot of receptors right
here, so you'll still get a lotof the benefits without it being

(57:35):
like so stressful, and you cancombine it with breath holds as
well, which is going to be goodfor the brain.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
And that's just like an ice water.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yeah, you can just do like some ice cubes and some
cold water and then just dunkingand just holding your breath,
like as long as you can, andthen going up a little bit and
then going back in, and that'salso going to help.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Interesting.
I'll have to try that one.
Maybe I'll start there.
So one thing that has kind ofcome up in my mind, kind of as
we've been talking.
You mentioned the gene keysearlier.
Yeah, that has kind of come upin my mind kind of as we've been
talking.
You mentioned the gene keysearlier.
Um, and what I find sofascinating just in this
intersection of science andspirituality or, like you know,
mysticism, the gene keys I lovebecause they talk about how the
gene keys and the I Ching areactually like our codons, like

(58:17):
our genetic, like codons, andit's like how would you know
about that, All you know, evenwhen you're thinking about like
the I Ching, which was somethingthat was created so long ago,
right, and it just like Mattmatches up so perfectly with the
64 codons.
I don't know, it's just sofascinating.
It just like keeps coming up asas we've been talking a little
bit, but like just kind oflooping it back.
I guess the beginning, just alittle fact, yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
No, but it's like when I, when I started studying,
I was like looking deep, moredeeply into my gene keys, like
one and a half year ago, likeover that summer, I was like,
whoa, it feels like someone islike telling me poetry about my
soul, because Richard Rudd alsohas such a poetic way of like
writing.
I'm just like, oh my god, whenI'm reading it, it's like
someone is just like blessingyour soul with like all this

(59:00):
truth, and I'm just sittingthere like, wow, this is insane.
Someone sees me deeper than Isometimes even see myself, but
it's just like the deepest levelof truth that I feel in my
heart, like what I'm here to do,and it's also we have all these
transitions that we're goingthrough as a collective as well,
right, so it's interesting tojust see how how we can relate
to a lot of the different ones,but how, yeah, it comes together

(59:22):
in a beautiful way, and I don'tthink one thing has to be
exclusive from the other.
We can, we don't have to.
Like you were mentioning aboutveganism as well, it's like easy
to put yourself in a box andlike we put an identity around
that.
And I think in the beginning,when I started to become more
spiritual as well.
After being very into thescience for such a long time, it
was like judging myself alittle bit around it, like, ah,
this is weird, like you know,yeah, sometimes spirituality can

(59:43):
be really weird, but like, doesit really matter?
Like it's, um, I think there'sa deeper truth than the truth of
the mind, and it's only accessto the heart, and it's then this
um, unconditional truth.
That's just a deep knowing thatwhen something is really true
to us, we will know, and there'sgoing to be no need to prove

(01:00:04):
that necessarily to anyone else,because you're just like, this
is my truth and that's reallyall that matters.
We're not here to prove ourlife to anyone else.
Yeah, that's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Well, one question I always ask on the Emotional
Mastery Podcast, which is it'stransitioned now, but I still
love the question because Ithink our emotions are such a
huge part of our everyday life.
But what has your relationshipbeen with your emotions, like
over time, or like maybe youknow, in your early twenties or
before you did this work, andlike how has it transformed now?

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
I.
For a long time I felt like Icouldn't even feel my emotions.
It was actually veryinteresting.
It was like almost like I neverreally felt super happy.
I never felt really sad, I wasjust like cause I'm just
balanced and happy.
I never felt really sad.
I was just like because I'mjust balanced and content, you
know, until I just suddenly likeaccess this deeper layer and
then when I did, like life justbecomes so much richer.

(01:00:58):
Because if we are just notallowing ourselves to feel life
because it's, it's it, you knowlife is, you know we have all of
these so strong emotionssometimes that can feel so
overwhelming and can just feellike it's just easier to turn
that off, you know, and justlike live in this like
day-to-day life where everythingis predictable, but we're also

(01:01:19):
losing out on so much of themagical life and we're also
losing out on a lot of ourintuition, because that is also
felt in a different way than wecan necessarily analyze with our
mind.
We need to feel with the heartand if we are not accessing our
emotions, then we're also notreally accessing our heart.
So when I started opening upfor that, I think my life just

(01:01:40):
became infinitely richer.
My personality became richer, Ifelt things at a deeper level,
both joy and pain, but I wasn'tso afraid of the pain anymore,
the sadness anymore.
I understood that that is alsoa beautiful teacher in life, you
know, and it's something thatneeds to be felt.
If not, it will just getspurred underneath somewhere

(01:02:01):
else and it will have so muchmore impact on my life instead
of me just actually feeling andacknowledging it.
And sometimes I still don'tacknowledge it in the moment.
I'm like, oh fuck, no, I don'twant to feel that right now.
Right, and then it's like okay,and sometimes it's not.
You can't always feel it at themoment, like it's not always
like you're on the plane and itmight not be the best time to
just go into big like emotionaloutbursts, you know.

(01:02:23):
So obviously we can beconscious of that as well, but
just trying to remind ourselvesof the fact that it's, it's
coming up because it's ready tobe felt, and if we don't, then
it's just going to be stored andit's going to come up at a
later point and before it does,it's going to probably make a
lot of havoc in your life.
So it's better to justacknowledge it and feel it and

(01:02:43):
just let it.
Be with it because it's abeautiful teacher.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Yeah, I love that, and I think that's a huge lesson
for Pisces too, right, oh yeah.
It's like the most watery ofthe water signs.
It's like everything that'sabout it.
So to like, come to that youknow, and to be able to
understand, like the more weresist it.
That's when we're suffering.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Always.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Yeah, because Pis that's when we're suffering yeah
, a hundred percent always yeah,because pisces is also like
yeah, we're very flowing andlike inner emotions, I think,
like when we're kind of notaccepting that we're also losing
out on a lot of our magic, alot of our creativity.
Right, that's also we need tofeel in order to feel the broad
spectrum of what's available tous there.
So it's, it's also opened up mycreativity in a completely
different way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
I love that.
Yeah, beautiful.
Well, thank you so much forcoming on and sharing with
everyone.
This has been so fascinating.
Like I said, I love this likeintersection of, just like I
love manifestation.
I think it's so fascinating andyou know all of the mind, the
way it works is just I don'tknow.
It lights me up.
I love it.
Um, so, where can people findyou and how can they work with
you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Uh, they can find me on Instagram, cecilia stable.
Uh, and then I also have apodcast called divinely driven,
where I talk a lot about theseconcepts and really like how to
how to collapse the timeline toyour future self.
How do we do that?
Through, uh, quantum leapingand through nervous system work,
through a lot of subconsciouswork.
And then I have a website,cecilia's Table, where all my

(01:04:14):
offers are going to be.
I do take on one-to-one clients,but it's in a mentorship
capacity.
So it's like I really dobelieve that change happens.
We can have amazing change in amoment, but that it happens
over time, and I really like towork with people not just in
like one-on-one session, butover a little bit more of a time
.
Um, and then I have a programcalled the metamind
manifestation master course,which would probably be where

(01:04:34):
we're going a lot deeper into alot of the things we talked
about today and really alsogetting a full library of like
exercises, tapping, hypnosis,meditation, somatic practices to
just not know this informationin our mind but just really drop
into it with our bodies.
And also I'm like people couldprobably tell today very into

(01:04:54):
like also the understanding ofthese things, because if we
don't understand.
We can be motivated for alittle while, but we're likely
not going to keep doing it overtime, and if we're not, then
we're not seeing any change.
So I also think theunderstanding part is important,
so I teach quite a lot of thereas well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Yeah, I love it.
Yeah, I think giving the mindsomething to like focus on and
that, like you said, theunderstanding of it, is really
helpful.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
A hundred percent and in order to be consistent with
anything.
I think there needs to be somelayer of understanding there, or
at least some knowing thatsomething will come out on the
other end, because if not, thenwe'll just move on to the next
thing.
There's so many things to youknow, try and do right now that
we can get introduced to, so itneeds to be a reason to stick
with someone something.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Well, thank you so much.
It's been so nice to meet youand to have you on.
Likewise Thank you.

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