269. From Empath Overwhelm to Energetic Mastery

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SPEAKER_00 (00:02):
Welcome to the Rochelle Christian Podcast.
I'm Rochelle, your host.
I'm here to help you come backto your body, take charge of
your emotions, and live life onyour terms.
This podcast is a space for raw,real conversations about what it
means to trust yourself, leaninto your power, and create a
life that feels aligned andalive.

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We'll explore human design,astrology, and other tools to
help you understand your uniqueenergy.
More importantly, though, we'regonna talk about what it means
to actually live and embodythese aspects.
So each week I'm gonna sharestories, lessons, guidance to
help you navigate life'schallenges and really own your
magic.
So if you're ready to step up,take control, and show up as the

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most authentic version of you,let's begin.
Welcome back to the podcast.
Today I have Lisa Campion, whois a Reiki master, psychic
counselor, and best sellingauthor on the podcast.
We're gonna get all into psychicgifts, intuition, energy
vampires, energetic boundaries,literally all of the psychic

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beautiful, fun things that Ijust love to talk about.
So this episode is so good.
And yeah, I'm really excited foryou to listen to this episode.
I always love listening,re-listening as I edit and then
go to make these little intros.
But we actually recorded this, Ithink, like last month.

(01:26):
So we're not too far out fromrecording, whereas all the rest
of the episodes were recordedlike back in February, March,
which energetically I alwaysbelieve that what comes through
whenever it comes through isalways for the moment.
Like every time I listen, soeven if I recorded something six
months ago and I listened to itas I'm editing, I'm like, whoa,

(01:47):
this message is for me.
And I know that it's for morethan just me, like right now.
So anyway, this episode was alot of fun.
There's a few things that Iwanted to just mention, drop in
before we really get into this.
Um, so this past week was thefull moon in Aries.
I know I'm feeling so muchfrustration, so much like anger

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kind of boiling to the surface,a lot of shadows.
I think with Mercury havingmoved into Scorpio, we are gonna
have feel a little bit moreshadowy in our mind.
And it was just square to Pluto,which is bringing some
intensity, but it's alsoallowing and offering
transformation.
Because although this is death,intensity, control, power,
manipulation, secrecy, all ofthese things, there is the

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archetype of the healer heldwithin Scorpio, Pluto, and Mars,
you know, um, as it relates allto Scorpio.
So it might feel intense rightnow.
Um, if you feel similar, youmight be feeling really
frustrated.
You might be noticing yourpatterns.
I just wrapped up a programyesterday on Clifton strengths,
and it was, I didn't facilitateit.

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I was taking part of this.
And we talked about ourselves,um, how we can use strengths to
just do our own inner work.
And just some really powerfulthemes came up for me that I
will be reflecting on and doingthe work of.
And really, you know, in thisepisode, we talk about energetic
protection, we talk about energyvampires, people who just sort
of like suck the energy from us,you know, and you feel exhausted

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afterwards.
And it's interesting as I wasediting and re-listening, I know
that there was this part in mylife back in my 20s, maybe even
my early 30s, when I was solost, when I didn't even see
myself, when I didn't even knowwho I was, where like I was that
person.
Because I know that I was, I'vealways been really empathetic.
I've always been reallysensitive.
But there was a time where Iwould just like tell my problems

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to anybody that would listen.
I would just like go on and onand on.
And it was like this, it waslike on loop and repeat, and it
wasn't solving any problems,right?
And then there came a pointwhere I had to take full
responsibility and just likekeep my issues to myself to move
through them.
And I apologize if you can hearmy kids screaming, actually,
specifically my son screaming inthe background.
We have fall break this week, soeverybody's at home.

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But yeah, that program wasreally beautiful and really
eye-opening.
I also launched a secretpodcast.
So if you are interested injoining the journey over there,
uh the link is down below so youcan learn a little bit more
about like what it is, what I'llbe talking about, how you can
access it, all the things downbelow.
And the Inner Mother Collectiveis also available.
So oh my gosh, the Inner MotherCollective, I'm obsessed.

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This is literally for women, forentrepreneurs.
Like you don't have to be amother to be there.
This is we have women in therethat are not mothers, but we're
all birthing something, whetherwherever we're at on our
journey.
Um, but really just we're thereto support each other.
We're there to grow together.
This is this new age sort ofaquarian vibe of community.

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We're again supporting eachother, which I was so drawn to
this because I know in my ownreality, in my own current
experience, I need support, Ineed community.
And it's not something that Ihave in my physical space right
now.
So this is all housed overthere, but you get moon circles,
you get virtual gatherings, youget, we're doing through, we're
going through a businessmastermind as it relates to

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human design and astrology,which has been so eye-opening.
We've had two sessions and allof the replays are in there.
But and when you come in, youare automatically an affiliate.
So this isn't just about oneperson having all of the
profits, I guess, of this space.
We're here to resource eachother in more ways than just
financially.
But it really is a beautifulcontainer, beautiful space.
So if you want to join us overthe Inner Mother Collective, you

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can click below.
Again, we're still going throughthis business mastermind.
We've had two sections, so youcan catch the replays for those.
Moon circles are in there.
I'll do random little workshops.
The secret podcast is there aswell as on another platform.
But you'll get access to that.
There's just so much beauty andsupport in there.
And then the last thing is AstroDesign School starts October
14th.

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This is a six-month journey.
We're going through, we'relearning and we're embodying.
And it's six months because Ibelieve this is the time it
takes to really learn andintegrate all the information.
We're also going through thezodiac in polarities.
So we'll be, you know, moduleone, each module is an entire
month.
So module one is human designand astrology foundations, but

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we're also going to be goingthrough the Libra Aries axis,
understanding what that means,how it shows up, where it is in
your chart.
And then each month, month wehave practices to really come
into this energy.
So come into what Aries andLibra means for you.
And also we're doing practicesaround drawing our own chart,
right?
Like reading our own chart,understanding all the aspects.

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So there's a lot of actualpractices in there.
So it's not just an intellectualprogram.
I really, really want you toanchor in and embody it.
So that again is startingOctober 14th.
The link is down the bio.
The link is down in my bio.
The link is down below in theshow notes.
You can get everything in there.
I am so grateful that you'rehere, that you're listening.
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Would love to hear from you.
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It makes my day.
I will talk to you next time.
Welcome to the podcast.
Today I have Lisa Campion, whois a Reiki master, psychic
counselor, and best-sellingauthor.
And we're gonna get into all thethings energy healing, Reiki.
I mean, I feel like there's somuch to talk about, especially

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with like we just said offlinewith Empaths and everything
that's collectively happening,just energetically,
astrologically, all the thingsright now.
So I'm really crazy.
I know, I know.
It's like this year, I feel likethis year and last year has just
been lists like absolute likestripping for so many people.
A lot of people are reflectingthat back to me.
Um, and so I think, you know,understanding how to protect

(08:14):
ourselves energetically is ahuge thing that we all need to
be understanding more and doingmore in practice now.
So yeah, definitely excited toget into that.
But we'll start with I'll sortof hand the floor to you if you
want to just kind of share yourstory as much or as little as
you'd like about how you kind ofgot into this work and how it
evolved for you.

SPEAKER_01 (08:34):
Sure.
Yeah, this one of I'm one ofthose, you know, I see dead
people kids.
So I was really born with mypsychic gift.
And I was born in the 60s, um,just outside Boston.
And you know, back then it was areally weird thing to be.
And I I was always, you know,seeing spirits, seeing angels,
seeing dead people.

(08:54):
I when I was little, I calledthem the gray people.
I didn't really knew I didn'treally know they were dead.
It took me a minute to figurethat out, but um, you know, I
just had the full-on psychicexperience.
Um seeing colors, seeing readingpeople's auras, like uh just
feeling super empathic too.

(09:14):
So but but back then it was suchan oddball thing to do.
There wasn't like anyconversation about it.
You couldn't really talk aboutit without ending up in a mental
hospital.
You saw angels and talked todead Uncle Fred, that's where
they were gonna put you, youknow.
So for me, my childhood was alot about like trying to pretend
to be normal in public and alsofigure out like, well, what was

(09:35):
this, you know?
And I just scoured the world forlike the library for
information.
There just wasn't any.
And I I feel so it's so mucheasier now where there's
podcasts like this and psychicson TV and new age bookstores,
and I so I I muddled along um asmuch as I could have been.
It was funny because I waslistening to your podcast today,

(09:56):
and you were talking abouttranscendental transcendental
meditation.
My my parents were hippies andthey took me to transcendental
meditation in 1974.
I was 10.
Wow.
And um, so because that's whatyou did when you were hippie in
1974, but that's um so I learnedtranscendental meditation when I
was 10, and I had sort of thisvery also, it was really

(10:17):
challenging, but I also had somevery um beautiful gifts and
boosts along the way.
My parents also took me to backthen it was called Silva Mind
Control, now it's called theSilva Method when I was in high
school, and that was amazing,and then it was the 80s, and I
was at university, and it wasthe dawn of the new age.
Thank the Lord.
And then there were all thethings that I I started to get

(10:40):
proper training, and that'sactually when I started working
as a psychic.
I was 19, and um, yeah, that'skind of what started it all.
I don't know why, I just knew itwas what I was meant to do with
my life.
Um, but I quickly discovered Ididn't have enough skills, so
when I finished university, Iwent back to school and became a
therapist and had you know didthat for a long time together.

(11:05):
And um then in 1990, I learned1999, I learned Rinky.
That was a pretty weird thing todo too back then.
Um and you know, my whole mywhole life has really been about
this helping psychic sensitivesand empaths really understand
their gifts, step into theirgifts, because I think the world
needs all the healers it canget.
And I feel like my mission is totrain train an army of healers

(11:27):
to go out there and save theplanet.
Um, because they need savingright about now.
And I think so much of us haveshown up at this time um during
this ascension, this changeshift in human consciousness to
help, to help other people, toshift our own consciousness, um,
you know, raise ourconsciousness, do a lot of
spiritual evolution and sort ofride the wave of this ascension

(11:50):
into like another, you know,level of our own spiritual
development.
That's that's what I'm here for.
That's what I'm showing up for.

SPEAKER_00 (11:58):
I love it.
I always find it so fascinatingwhen I meet people who have had
these experiences so young.
Like you talk about seeingghosts, and and I mean, was it
just did you just think that youwere seeing regular people and
then somebody called you out onlike who are you talking to?
Or you could sense that theywere not like normal people.

SPEAKER_01 (12:18):
Yeah, I knew they weren't normal people.
I knew they were, I didn'treally know what they were.
I knew other people couldn't seethem.
Um, I knew it didn't go well forme to talk about it.
So I was sort of quiet about it.
And like I had this like funnymoment.
I mean, I knew they were dead.
I knew if I really talked tothem that that they would feel
better and go away.

(12:38):
But I was like 12 years old whenthe movie Polder Guys came out.
And I went to see that movie,and there was this like you
know, professional psychic, andshe gives this little speech
about why people get stuck andwhat ghosts are and how to like
you know move them along.
And I was like, oh my god,somebody knows something.
And I was like, you know, blownaway by that.

(12:59):
And it started, I startedwatching every ghost and
paranormal movie I could get myhands on because it was sort of
the only place I could geteducation.
So I got a pretty sketchyHollywood version, like maybe
50% of it was accurate, the restof it was Hollywood stuff, but
you know, so that's kind of youknow how it went for me.

(13:21):
Um I I was told I had a reallystrong imagination, you know,
and that they were my imaginaryfriends.
That was sort of the thing backthen.
And I was like, is it myimagination?
I don't think it is, but I Iknew it put me in some awkward
social situations a lot as a kidwhere like I didn't want to go

(13:41):
to my my mom had this friend andshe had a daughter my age, and
but I never wanted to go therebecause there was a ghost there.
And I was so superuncomfortable, but couldn't tell
anybody why.

SPEAKER_04 (13:54):
Yeah, you know, yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 (13:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
For a long time, I always feltlike I like didn't have any
skills because I didn't seeghosts or I didn't hear things,
but then I've come to realizethat for me it was all feeling,
like I felt so much, and thatwas the part of me that was
always shut down.
Where it's like you're tooemotional, or or just being
invalidated.
Like if I felt uncomfortable,oh, everything's fine.

(14:17):
What are you feeling like thatfor?
You know?
So it's really interesting thatdifference of like, I think
sometimes the feeling realmmaybe we don't necessarily
equate with being psychic, justbecause it's not like physically
seeing something or hearingsomething, and it's just an
interesting one to kind of Iguess understand.

SPEAKER_01 (14:33):
I still don't fully understand it, but well, I think
it's like seeing is becomesynonymous with psychic, and
that's unfortunate becausethere's a lot of psychic skills,
psychic senses that we have.
We can experience that throughall of our senses, actually
through all of our chakras, too.
So you might seeing is the mostrare and it's kind of the bit

(14:57):
the one's the biggest pain inthe neck.
So it's not an easy one to have.
Yeah, but maybe you have a senseof knowing.
You don't know why you know, youjust know that one's way more
calm and way more practical.
Maybe you just feel like you doyour feel or clairsentience, you
feel everything, and that meansyou've you're you could be an
empath, you could be feelingeverything, um, you know, that
all the people around you areexperiencing, but you also might

(15:19):
just find yourself saying, like,I don't have a good feeling
about that.
I don't know if it's you know,this doesn't feel right.
Maybe we've we have a lot ofpsychic experiences in our
bodies that we often don't payattention to, unfortunately.
So your body always knows what'sreally going on and will feel
like you know, the hair stand upon the back of your neck, or
you're you, you know, you feelshivers or something's your body

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always knows what's happening.
And and then we hear, we sense.
So I like the word, what are yousensing?
What are you experiencing, whatare you perceiving?
Because it opens us to reallyall of our psychic senses, not
just the seeing.
I'll I'll do like psychicexercises, and people say, Well,
I didn't I didn't see anything,I didn't get anything.

(16:03):
And I'm like, Well, did youknow?
But I heard this, I saw this, Ismelt this, I felt this, I knew
this.
Like, if we open it up to all ofthem, then all of a sudden
there's a lot there.

SPEAKER_00 (16:12):
Yeah.
So you think like kind ofenhancing one opens the rest of
them up?

SPEAKER_01 (16:17):
I think we all have a strong one.
We all sort of start with onethat's our strong for you, it
might be feeling, and when youreally start paying attention to
that and honoring that, the restof them usually open up.
And a lot of a lot of times it'slike you just haven't paid
attention to the feeling in yourbody, you haven't connected it
to the feeling in your body.
You sort of ignore your innerknowing.
I'm not saying you personally,but one one in general.

(16:40):
Um, we we dismiss the voice inour head.
Because you know, if you havevoices in your head, what that
means you're crazy, right?
Um, so I think a lot of it is ssort of selective attention and
that we need to put our I alwaysused to say if I wrote a book on
psychic development, I wouldcall it pay attention.
Right.
Um and I one of the exercises Ireally like is to start a

(17:02):
psychic journal.
Get a journal, call it yourpsychic journal.
I actually published one calledthe Psychic Awakening Journal.
Um, and just start recording allof your experiences, like your
dreams, write them down.
If you pull core cards, Oraclecards in the morning, write it
down.
All the times you get thatfeeling, write it down.
Anytime you see signs or omens,or you know you're on the flow,

(17:24):
you're like, you know, theuniverse is giving you those
breadcrumbs, write it down.
Um, and you'll be shocked abouthow psychic you already are,
first of all.
And then whatever we payattention to grows, you know,
and a lot of times theseexperiences are very ephemeral.
We have them, it's a big giantdeal in the moment, and then
five minutes later we forgetabout it, you know, or the next

(17:46):
day we forget about it.
So recording it in the journalcan kind of like you can record
something on Monday, and then bythe time it happens on Thursday,
you might have forgot about it,but because you wrote it down,
you're like, Oh yeah, I knewthat was gonna happen, you know.
So that's a really simple, easyway to kind of maximize what you
already have and begin open towhat else is going on, you know.

(18:10):
And a lot of it is like a Ithink you know, you you talk a
lot in your podcast about tuninginto yourself, you know, like
what are you feeling?
What's going on in your body?
Like what we're so our attentionis so turned outward all the
time, and we're gonna miss alot, you know, so much noise in
the world.
We live in such a noisy, busyworld.
We really, really need time,quiet time, introspective time.

(18:34):
Um, even 15 minutes.
And I think like multitasking onthis is a good so quiet walking,
you know, quiet driving.
They used to just call itwalking.
Now it's quiet walking.
When you have like, you know,you don't put a podcast on, you
don't listen to a book, youdon't get on the phone and gab
with a friend, you're quiet.

(18:54):
Like I walk my dog every day.
Um, and I I quiet walk, and it'smy when I don't have time to
meditate, it's meditation time,or and uh also because when
we're in those activities,driving, walking, doing the
dishes, holding the laundry inthe shower, our brain shifts
into the alpha brain wave, andthat's when we're the most tuit,

(19:15):
the most psychic.
So you can try this exercise,write a question in your
journal, or write what do I needto know, and then go do one of
those quiet walk, quiet dish,quiet, cold laundry, and then
you sort of let yourself spaceout a little bit, let your let
your brain shift into that sortof daydreaming alpha brainwave,

(19:36):
and then kind of keep a lightawareness on you might have an
aha moment where you might belike, Oh, I'm really a thought
pops into your mind, you know,or some awareness moves through
you that is like the answer tothe question you ask, you know,
and that's a really simple,beautiful thing you can do.
The bathtub, I call it thebathtub oracle or the shower
oracle.

(19:56):
Psychics get their vests in theshower, yeah.
You know, ask the question, getinto the shower, and then just
what forget about it for aminute and wait and see what
arises inside of you.

SPEAKER_00 (20:05):
I love that.
I had a CEO of a company I usedto work for, and he used to
start every meeting with I wasin the shower this morning.
This thought came to me.
It was like, but it's so true.
Like for me, I used to alwaysget them when I was running.
When I like every time I wouldbe in that state, something
would come through.
I'm like, wait, I gotta stop andwrite this down, you know.
But I love the idea of havingthat psychic journal because,
like you said, I think sometimesthese really profound things

(20:27):
come to us, but then lifehappens and we move on, we
completely forget about it, andthen we feel like we have no
like, you know, intuition or youknow, even as it relates to
manifestation, a lot of times Ithink we think, Oh, I'm not
manifesting anything, but wedon't realize all the little
things that we actually arebecause we're not pausing to
like find gratitude or likeacknowledge those things in the
moment.

SPEAKER_01 (20:46):
Right.
Exactly.
Yeah, and what we pay attentionto, what what we honor and
acknowledge is what develops andgrows, right?
That's what it's like the seedyou water, you know?
Um, and so we have we have to, Ithink, make time, I think we
have to notice, pay attention.
I think we have to honor.
And the other thing is you youhave to like listen to your
intuition, not all the time, butsome of the times, 51% of the

(21:10):
time, you know, more often thannot.
Um, and it's not like everycrazy little whim you should pay
attention to.
And I've seen people really takea bad turn in their life by
throwing reason out, abandoningcommon sense and just going with
their intuition, which I don't Idon't think is a good idea.
Um, but but there needs to be abalance, I think, between

(21:33):
intuition and common sense, likereally 50-50.
And when we if we get the hit,the psychic impression, and we
just don't ever act on it, itshuts down our intuition pretty
hard, you know.
And a lot of times our ourhigher self, our team of spirit
guides will sort of test us withthe little things.
Like if you can't pay attentionto the little things, you don't

(21:53):
get the bigger information.
And it can be really challengingbecause your higher self, your
guides, the message isn't alwayseasy to hear.
A lot of times it's things wedon't want to know, we don't
want to hear, you know.
Um, and that that our personalself, our ego self, our 3D self
really just likes the comfortzone.
We like want a nice comfy life,we want to sit on the couch and

(22:16):
watch Netflix and snuggle thecat, you know, and your higher
self has a known and it's like,yeah, you can do that for five
minutes, and then it's time tomove into the uh ne out of the
comfort zone into the nextuncomfortable thing.
So a lot of times our ourintuition is uncomfortable, you
know, because it's asking us togrow, it's asking us to confront

(22:40):
things that you know, maybe thisisn't the right job for you,
maybe this isn't the rightcareer, maybe it's not the right
marriage, relationship, youknow.
Maybe like I don't know, likeand especially I think now in
this time of change, like we'rein this massive deconstruction
cycle, and you know, we're allbeing called to let go, and you

(23:01):
know, the old, you know, allthat shedding, all that, you
know, we're we're all thatparadigm busting that we're in
right now, and what's coming newoften comes through our
intuitive things, but it's it'sit's super it can be super
uncomfortable, and I thinkthat's why we don't listen.
I know that's true for me.

SPEAKER_00 (23:18):
Yeah.
Well, and again, I like thatpractice of writing it down
because I think sometimes theintuition, like the mind, comes
in so heavy so quickly, thatthen we're just like confused
because it's like, wait, I gotthis hit, but then this, and I
mean, at least I know for my youknow, my own personal
experience, it's like somethingcomes through and I'm like in
the moment, I'm like, yes, butthen literally three seconds
later, I'm overthinking it, andI'm like, Well, maybe I was just

(23:38):
maybe that was from my ego, andyou know, so I like that idea of
like writing it down or justtaking note, I guess, of the
initial sort of hit that comesfrom.

SPEAKER_01 (23:46):
Yeah, the first hit's usually the right hit.
Um, and then you like you said,our brain comes in and makes it
weird, you know, second guessesit goes down the rabbit hole,
you know, um, of doubt and allthose things.
And and you know, like getting aclear message also, I think it's
good to sit on it, to filter it,to you know, contemplate it.
We we really, I think for me,it's like bringing my system

(24:09):
into coherence.
So I'm like paying attention toall the parts of myself,
honoring the best that they haveto offer.
Like, we don't throw the babyout with the bathwater, right?
We we don't abandon reason andcommon sense, we just negotiate,
you know.
Like, I'm like, so if myintuition, my higher self is
telling me to do something, likewe said, it's time to write

(24:31):
another book.
I'm working on book number fiveright now, and it it's a super
tough one.
And my spirit was like, Yes, andmy ego self's like, Can you fit
it into your calendar?
Is it gonna make you go crazywhen you're trying to write it?
And you know, um is it gonnathrow you over the edge?
Like, and and my I was like,okay, I'm gonna do it, and now

(24:54):
I'm like out of time and I'm allstressed out and everything.
And my my you know, mental selfis like, well, I don't want to
be told.
We told you this is gonna, youknow, this is gonna happen, and
here you are.
Like, so I think it's like whatthe heart and the mind, it's
like we have our physical self,the emotional self, the mental
self, the energetic self, thespiritual self.

(25:14):
There's all these in energymedicine we call them bodies,
but they're really just aspectsof ourself that um when we have
coherence, they're all agreeingwith each other, right?
They're all in agreement.
When they're all in agreement,that's when we manifest, that's
when miracles happen, that'swhen you know the floodgates
open.
But it's pretty for me anyway,hard to get the bull on like

(25:38):
full body yes, every part of meis in agreement, you know.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (25:43):
Do you know what your uh authority is in human
design?

SPEAKER_01 (25:47):
Self-projected.
I'm a self-projected of aself-projected projector.

SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
Okay, and have you like experimented with that
authority and and how that showsup for you?

SPEAKER_01 (25:57):
No, I barely know anything about human design, so
okay, I'm fascinated by it, butI haven't really um I just know
the barest, you know, minimumabout what being a projector is
all about.

SPEAKER_00 (26:11):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (26:12):
But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (26:13):
Well, I love that.
I mean, projector is the guide,right?
You don't have that definedsacral, but you're here to like
guide and lead others.
And I think that what you do issuch a reflection of that
projector energy, like guidingpeople into like this healing
aspect and coming into this, youknow, psychic abilities within
themselves.
I think it's beautiful.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(26:33):
How do we discern, like whenwe're kind of tapping into this
stuff?
I know for me, so just anexample, because this is like
fresh of mine, but like I knowwhen we're kind of trying to
connect with, you know, ourpsychic skills or intuition or
anything like beyond, I guess,what is like normal, I'm here
putting that.
Um, like let's say you are wokenup at like three o'clock in the

(26:54):
morning with just like thisheavy feeling, right?
Like, how do we discern ifthat's like our intuition or if
we're coming from a nightmare orif it's ego or you know, things
like that when it's a little bitmore unclear?
Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 (27:05):
Yeah, I think the first thing to do, it's a great
question.
I think the first thing to do isask yourself, is this me?
You know, and especially like asan astrologer, I don't consider
myself an astrologer, but Ifollow astrology, you know.
And the reason I do is because Ineed help figuring out what's
mine and what's I call it theenergy of the world.
Yeah, you know, and the energyof the world is kind of like the

(27:27):
state of the collectiveconsciousness and the the
moment, the astrology of themoment, you know what I mean?
And also all these sort of othermysterious forces that come
together to create this likemorphic field that we all live
in, you know?
And I, as a sensitive, I cantune into that collective
consciousness pretty easily andum feel like fear, feel doubt,

(27:51):
feel freaked out, feel, youknow, if you you we know, we
know if we spend too much timezoom scrolling, we don't feel
good, right?
Um and so the first thing thathappens is I ask myself, is it
me or is it is it the world?
And we and to answer thatquestion, we have to know
ourselves pretty well.
If you don't know yourself atall, you can't answer that

(28:12):
question.
If you're totally numb to yourown feelings and can't feel your
body, and you know, you then youcan't answer that question.
So I think a lot of spiritualdevelopment, psychic development
is about knowing ourselves.
Maybe we do some grounding, youknow.
If so, if you're in that threeo'clock in the mor morning
moment, ground, and you can'ttell if it's you or the world.

(28:35):
Ground, breathe, you know,shake, move a little energy, get
up, walk around, drink, have aglass of water, like get in your
body.
Okay, what how am I feeling?
Sometimes I have to break itdown.
How am I feeling physically?
What's going on in my body?
How am I feeling emoemotionally?
Where are my thoughts?
Where's my spiritual self?
Try to do an inventory.
I call that the system check,you know.

(28:57):
Like, all right, system check,where am I?
You know, then I can be like,oh, that was a nightmare, or
that was a spirit walking, youknow, a nasty spirit walking
through the room, or that I justdoom scrolled before I went to
bed and I'm I'm I forgot tounplug from the collective
consciousness, you know.
But if you don't know yourself,it's hard to answer that
question.
Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 (29:18):
Yeah, I know.
I I read a lot of like fantasybooks right before bed too.
So sometimes when that happens,like it's just just like my
mind's still in the book, wakingmyself up.
But I do like that.
I know I like I spent, I thinkit was maybe two or three years
into like my astrology humandesign journey where I was like,
I felt like I was just likeoutsourcing everything to like
the systems.
And so I just spent a year ofjust like honoring everything

(29:41):
that came through my body.
And I just kind of like threweverything else away.
And that really helped me anchorinto, like you said, like really
getting to know yourself.
Cause I think a lot of times wedon't understand the feelings
and the sensations.
And there's still some thingsthat even though I don't fully
understand them, I know thefeeling, if that makes sense.
Like I can feel the familiarityof them to know that it's a

(30:01):
pattern, even though I might notunderstand or be able to
pinpoint where it came from.
So I think that yeah, it's sohelpful in like yeah, just
coming inside.

SPEAKER_01 (30:10):
You talk about like I think as a feeler, I just want
to say this one thing forbecause I think it's important
for feeler types like you isthat we really need to make a
distinction between reactivefeelings and soul feelings.
So you know reactive feelingsare like what happens when your
nervous system triggers and youget reactive about something and

(30:31):
reactive feelings never feelgood.
They're always like fear, panic,anxiety, rage, jealousy, like
you know, all that stuff.
And that and it's reallyimportant to know that's like
your inner child, that's yournervous system.
It's like your adrenal glandssquirted a lot of cortisol and

(30:52):
adrenaline into yourbloodstream.
It's like a chemical reactionbasically.
You know what I mean?
And soul feelings are verydifferent.
Soul feelings are like you knowum deeper and they're more an
expression of our true nature.
And even though sometimesthey're hard they don't feel
bad.
Like grief is hard but it isn'tyou know it doesn't feel bad the

(31:14):
way like nervous system janglefeelings feel.
So as a feeler like starting tomake a distinction between
reactive feelings and soulfeelings reactive feelings are a
sign that you need to regulateyou know you need self-care.

SPEAKER_00 (31:28):
You need to like take care of yourself and like
I'm not I'm I'm not okay youknow in this moment what do I
need to do to be okay yeah wekind of so we take care of that
and then you want to pick yourpath from the soul feelings you
know the non-reactive soulfeelings that are they're much
long longer they're much calmerthey're much deeper right the

(31:50):
reactive feelings are done assoon as an adrenaline clears out
of your bloodstream like whichcan be 20 minutes to an hour you
know but soul feelings are likeenduring they last I love that I
was just the other day I was outand I was feeling uncomfortable
at something and I literallyfelt like you know I like I'm 39

(32:10):
and there are still moments likeespecially like that which is
kind of related to what you'resaying where I literally still
feel like I'm 12.
Like I feel like I'm a child andit's a weird feeling.
It but then like you say thatdifference between that and then
that soul feeling it's like itis that like calm like more like
wise you know being in yoursystem.
So I like that distinction oflike that reactionary feeling

(32:31):
versus that soul feeling.

SPEAKER_01 (32:33):
Yeah that's like an inner child meltdown you know
yeah and that that's actuallywhat the topic of my next book
is that I'm working on right nowis the inner child and
reparenting and how we really dothat, you know, because when
your inner child the inner childneeds attending to care and love
but it's not the one that shouldbe making the decisions in your
system.

(32:53):
Yeah yeah yeah and I think itdoes for a lot of people totally
and totally unconsciously likemost of us are in kind of this
battle between the inner childand the inner critic right and
that inner child's the part ofyou that doesn't feel good
enough and the inner critic isthe part of you that's telling
you you're you're not goodenough and the inner child's
like I know I know we'reterrible and suck you know and

(33:14):
we have to like um that goes oninside of our mostly
subconscious until we realize itand then there we need some
parent reparenting that's my newnew book will be about how do we
reparent ourselves so that we'renot we can sh live show up in
our life as a full adult youknow show up in our

(33:36):
relationships as parents as youknow in our jobs from a fully
adult place is a game changer.

SPEAKER_00 (33:43):
Yeah.
I was listening to you um onYouTube and you were talking
about imposter syndrome and Ithought this was really
interesting or like just I guessit gave me some clarity too or
it was really clear we'll saythat we're talking about
imposter syndrome and the innercritic and you were saying the
difference of like that booksort of like the book learning
right versus like experientiallearning.

(34:04):
And I thought that was sofascinating and and so like
simple, I guess, but just put inthat way it was like well
because I've dealt with impostersyndrome for so long.
And but I'm also that personwhere it's like I have to know
everything.
Like I feel like I have to knowbefore I do but then all the
knowledge is useless unless I'mdoing with it.
Right.
And so I think that have yousaid it in such a beautiful way

(34:25):
in such a simple way that I waslike oh my gosh that's exactly
what happens so I think that'sit.

SPEAKER_01 (34:30):
Yeah we get out of imposter syndrome when we apply
it's like you gotta go you gotto practice you know and because
I'm working with traininghealers like I you know been
teaching Reiki for a long timeand I can teach the courses and
they're like I they they'll tellme I don't feel like I can do
this.
I'm like go go do a hundredsessions go do 20 sessions go
you know start with 10.
By the time you the hundredthperson has rolled off your table

(34:53):
you you that's gone.

SPEAKER_00 (34:54):
Yeah.
Well I think there's a piece tothat it's like we care so much
as well that there's like aresponsibility to not do any
harm.
And I think that maybe fear kindof comes in the doing part at
least for myself sometimesespecially with like you know
astrology it's you know thestudy of the of patterns and the
stars and things like that.
But also when I'm speaking topeople and trauma comes up or

(35:15):
things that come up it's likeI'm you know I'm not a
counselor.
I'm not a therapist.
So there's that piece of like amI doing harm sometimes by
bringing things up with people.

SPEAKER_01 (35:24):
Yeah.
Yeah it's tricky and you know umI think we have to know what's
inside of the scope our scope ofpractice right so that you know
like if somebody it will come upand it does come up for Reiki
people too, then you're you knowyou just say that you need to
you refer out.
So you say they need a therap, aproper therapist, they need

(35:46):
trauma counseling, they need youknow a trauma informed therapist
and just have a lot of them inyour Rolodex.
Or like you need addictioncounseling or you need you know
grief counseling or all thethings that we encounter along
the way and you know it could bea giant boon to somebody like a
huge moment for them forsomebody to call that out and

(36:09):
hand them a business card andsay you know go go get some help
with this person.
So I think that's the otherthing and and I honor your
desire to work ethically umethics is a really important
topic for me.
I talk about something I talkabout a lot and that sometimes
especially us you knowalternative healer types don't

(36:30):
get a full training on you knowand I sort of credit that I went
to therapy school and got a fullon you know heavy dose of how to
work ethically and with withinguide like serious guidelines
and serious consequences if youdon't you know that somehow lots
of people don't get thattraining and they're well
meaning but don't know they'recausing harm or they're they you

(36:54):
know they're not experiencedenough to tackle and they don't
know that they're notexperienced enough to tackle
something really you knowchallenging.
So I think there's always thiscan be this sort of scary moment
when something shows up in youroffice and you're like oh my
gosh I'm so far in over my headI don't know how to handle this.
Yeah you know yeah that happens.
Yeah yeah you you talk sort ofum pivoting a little bit you

(37:19):
talk about energy vampires yeahand kind of like you know going
back to a little bit what wewere talking about before how do
we like how do we protectagainst that and like what does
that actually mean yeah energyvampire I think of more like
energy vampirism is a processanyone can do.
You know so empaths have a sortof tendency to like point the

(37:43):
finger and be like you know ohthat person's an energy vampire
and that might be true but it'sreally something anyone can it's
a pattern anyone can fall into.
So we have we just have to bemindful and we don't nobody's
ever taught how to manage theirenergy should be something that
I think is taught in third gradeyou know but it's not so we
don't know how to manage ourenergy nobody knows.

(38:04):
So what do we do?
We steal energy from otherpeople all the time and there
are some of us who are naturalgivers and there's some people
who are natural takers that'sjust the way the world works and
a lot of times you know empathsensitive healer types are in
the naturally giving categoryright and hopefully in an ideal

(38:25):
world there's like a 50-50 youknow flow between you and your
people but sometimes we end upin a situation where we're we're
with a person we we can callthem narcissists is sort of
another word for our energyvampire or narcissists are one
type of energy vampire where forall the reasons for whatever
reason they're not reallycapable of giving or there's a

(38:45):
big imbalance between the givingand the taking and I think as
empass we we're sort of magnetsfor people who are more on the
energy taking side of things.
So we have to be really mindfulabout and you know because
you'll feel really drained afteryou have an encounter with that
person or you'll like dreadseeing them.
You're like oh my gosh it's thatperson.

(39:07):
I don't you know or you you geton the phone with your friend
and you after you hang up thephone you have to like literally
go down lie down and take a nap.
You know like that's um that's asign that um that we're around
somebody who's taking our energyI think the key in this
conversation is to be empoweredabout this to not blame the

(39:28):
other person but to fully ownthat nobody can manage your
boundary and your energy exceptfor you.
You're the boss you're the bossof your energy field you're the
boss of whether you say yes orno you're the boss of how much
time you let somebody have andand no one can change that we we
can't ask other people to tiptoearound our boundaries we have to

(39:52):
enforce them.
We have to know what they areand we have to enforce them and
there's a lot of empowerment inthat right I found that quite
liberating you know it's hard todo it's not it's not really easy
um but once we learn once weknow that the world is so much
easier to be in.

SPEAKER_00 (40:11):
Yeah that's so powerful I I like as you were
talking about just that feelingof being drained I've resonate
so much with that but just likeyou said I have been known in my
past to not set boundaries Ijust like will give it away to
everybody sort of but like yousaid like boundaries are still
really challenging but actuallysetting them then empowers me to

(40:31):
take control of like what I'mallowing who I'm allowing for
how long and it definitelychanges things as uncomfortable
as it can be sometimes.
Yeah but that definitelydefinitely makes a difference.
Do people who say we're like youknow we get off the phone with
somebody and we're just likefeeling drained consistently are
they aware and likeenergetically that they're doing

(40:52):
that or they're just taking whatyou're giving because you're not
setting a boundary sometimesthey're aware I think that the
truly psychopathic sociopathicpeople you know narcissistic
personality disorder likethey're there there's got
there's a serious problem thereyou know they some they will be
more um they're caught consciousabout it and we we know that

(41:17):
they're really psychopathsthey're like and I say that from
a clinical like psychological umdiagnosis you can look it up
that's what it is but they'rethey're and they will sort of
they're kind of con con artistsin a way so they'll tar target
people on purpose to take youfor everything you've got you've
got and it could be your timeyour money food in your fridge

(41:39):
the gas in your tank car youknow your credit the card
accounts in they'll they'lldrain everything and then move
on fortunately those people arepretty rare I mean maybe you've
encountered one I think probablyeveryone has to get to be a
certain age and you've comeacross them you know but I would
say that's like 10% 5% and therest of people don't have any

(42:00):
idea they don't have any ideathey're just hustling and trying
to get through the day and theydon't know how to do it.

SPEAKER_01 (42:06):
They're they're really under resourced they're
really um I call one type ofthem the victim vampire and that
they kind of use their victimstatus and hey we've all been
victimized we're all we've allbeen victimized.
We just have um but some peoplefigure out how to use that as
currency to get what they wantin the world you know and they

(42:30):
they're sort of conscious aboutit.
They're a little often umthey're unrem unremorseful about
it like that's the friend thatyou call and she talks for an
hour.
I don't know why I just said shebut they talk for an hour and
they never ask how you're doingand you know when it's your time

(42:50):
to talk they gotta suddenlygotta go.
And they have the same problemover and over and over again
they're usually there's like atrauma drama addiction they
don't really want to changetheir you know they're in
they're in the getting somethingout of the trauma drama and uh
and they don't want to changeand those I find those people
really tiring yeah reallyexhausting.

SPEAKER_00 (43:13):
Yeah there's this I go to I go into the sauna um
after the gym every time I gojust my back's been kind of
hurting too so it's just likedefinitely helpful with that but
there's this one specific personin there and every she obviously
knows a lot of people andanytime someone comes into the
gym immediately she's like or inthe sauna immediately she's
launched into a story of likehow things are going wrong or

(43:34):
it's always like this sort ofcomplaint.
And it's like I use it as likethis mirror in practice of like
how can I center myself becauselike I also want to be in the
sauna right.
So it's like in those situationswhere I don't really know this
person right I'm like I it's notI feel like I'm not gonna set an
energetic or like a verbalboundary being like hey if
you're gonna be in here don'ttalk like that like how would
somebody set like an energeticboundary in that sense?

SPEAKER_01 (43:56):
Yeah yeah and that's actually the first step I think
is the energy boundary no nomatter what because once you
learn the energetic boundary allthe other boundaries get easier
you know and that's like gettingfully in your body so grounding
getting in your tailbone gettingfully in your body we want to
like I don't know like I sort ofum and I'll clear out the energy

(44:19):
that doesn't belong to me.
So I take a few breaths I'm likeokay I'm just gonna center
myself ground myself and put upmy protection and I imagine like
really like an energy bubbleyour energy bubble is a real
thing it's just the outside edgeof your energy field you know
and you can make most empathshave it spongy like that's why
they call empaths the psychicsponges and we absorb that in

(44:41):
but we can set it so um it'smore defined and I like to
program it to allow only energythat's supportive to me and
non-supportive energy stays onthe other side sometimes when
I'm in really dicey situationsairplanes are hard for me I'm
getting on a plane tomorrow andbecause you can't get away and

(45:02):
the person next to you is likelittle like sitting on your lap
you know and there's not a lotof space you know physical space
between people I find that sowhen I'm in that situation or
maybe you and the sauna you putlike it's like you're inside
like a spacesuit you're inside ayou know coconut shell you're
inside a castle wall that'sreally sort of impenetrable and

(45:22):
then the you're not absorbingthat energy then when I would
get out of the sauna I wouldclear take a few breaths and
just like release anything thatyou picked up you know so I
think it's grounding I thinkit's clearing I think it's
protecting and when we do that Irecommend doing that a couple
times a day I do it before Ihave a client in between clients

(45:44):
I do it before I go into Walmarthalfway through Walmart when I
get out of Walmart otherwise Ican't find my car and I forgot
what my name is you know and I'mlike well why am I running back
my car um so and you know on theplane I'll be doing that like we
just have to um and then when wehave that good energy hygiene

(46:07):
it's like uh energy hygienepractice then all the other
boundaries get easier so Ialways when I work with empaths
start them with the um energeticpractices and when you get
really good it's like beefyingup your energy field that's like
strengthening it then we havesort of a leg to stand on when
we go to set the verbalboundaries you know yeah yeah I

(46:31):
think that's so importantespecially now because being you
know if you're an empath andbeing in public there's just so
much energy that we can pick upthat it's like so confusing.

SPEAKER_00 (46:40):
I think the airplane's an interesting one
I've heard a lot of people withlike anxiety on the airplane
even though they're not likescared of flying right and I
think a lot of that comes fromthe inability to protect against
like other people like we're allkind of like bouncing off of
each other in that situation,you know?
Yeah.
And so and especially yeah likeright now like what's going on
in the collective and you knowpolitically and everything it's
like you just go out and you'rejust like unless you're

(47:02):
consciously protecting yourselfyou're just like soaking it in
if you're not aware and yeah Ithink that's that's so
important.
Do you like when you get up inthe morning do you do some sort
of like energy or like somepractice to protect yourself?

SPEAKER_01 (47:15):
Yeah I do a pretty elaborate clearing routine um
clearing my energy meditatingyou know it takes me like
sometimes like an hour to sortof meditate and so I'll journal
I'll I'll do what I gotta do toget my energy into a high a high
frequency um and sometimes youknow um sometimes it's five

(47:38):
minutes sometimes it's an hourdepending on what's going on you
know and when once I get to ahigher frequency and I feel all
my energy hygiene is good then Ican go cruise through my day.
Otherwise if I don't I sort offeel like I'm climbing the hill
you know like I start out kindof miserable and I stay kind of
miserable and I might have likea peak moment but then I go back

(47:59):
to being a little miserable.
So I I just do what I have to doto get myself sorted you know
all in all the ways physicallyemotionally mentally
energetically spiritually okay Ifeel myself I'm good and then I
can my day just cruises throughbut I I'll do it as needed you
know depending on what's goingon um throughout my day too I

(48:22):
might stop and be like all rightI need to clear myself and I
just know I know because I feelfunky or I know because I I'm
like want to go scroll or checkout or do something that sort of
numb me out and I'm like I catchmyself being like why am I doing
this why you know I'm there'ssomething arising in me or

(48:43):
something that's uncomfortableand I need to like okay I'm
actually just gonna deal withthat head head on and sort
myself out and process it,whatever it was, you know?

SPEAKER_00 (48:55):
Yeah I am so I'm a I'm a Taurus I have this
Tauruslium and for me like Ilove sleep but I so for the
longest time I resisted thatmorning routine because I was
like I'd rather just sleep andthen you know then I have to get
the kids up and everything.
But like in I think in July Iwas like all right I'm just
gonna get up 30 minutes earlyand it was hard at first but

(49:16):
it's completely changed the gamefor me like giving myself that
extra 34 45 minutes in themorning to like meditate and
journal and just like sit in myin my own energy like I like I
said I resisted it for thelongest but it's completely
changed everything.

SPEAKER_01 (49:30):
So I definitely definitely think that's yeah
moon in Taurus yeah moon inTaurus and and Capricorn rising
oh wow so um yeah my daughter'sa Taurus and she's the same way
okay and you're a Libra soyou're very like Venusian yes
yeah I love that yeah Capricornrisings oh my gosh Capricorns
are like the lesson of my lifeI'm always always coming into

(49:54):
contact with Capricorns I love Iappreciate my Capricorn energy
it gives me a lot of disciplineso I have like I have a process
I'm a psychic but I have asystem I have a method I have a
process I have tremendousdiscipline yeah like I was a I
was a martial artist for a longtime and discipline is like a a
really important part of my ofmy character.

(50:14):
Yeah you know something that'seasy for me.
And so although I can use mydiscipline to do my spiritual
practices to handle my bookdeadlines to do all those things
you know um but it's a little ifI get too far into that then the
Taurus and Libra part of me getcranky.
Yeah it's like all it's like I'mlike a Jedi you know but if I

(50:36):
get too far down that road thenthe rest of me is like wait a
minute yeah we want to have somepleasure we want to sleep late
we want to have a good meal.

SPEAKER_00 (50:44):
Yeah you know well it's like that balance right and
I think that even for me thissummer with implementing like a
you know waking up andmeditating and meditating before
bed it is that discipline pieceis actually really important.
And I think that in our you knowdeepening our spirituality and
it's like going with the flowand being in our feminine I
think we forget that there needsto be the balance of that

(51:04):
masculine discipline energy inorder to like find that you know
happy medium because too much ofone or the other is gonna you
know create exactly yeah and Ithink like especially with
spiritual growth I reallybelieve there there's a certain
level of spiritual growth youcan't get past until you have a
discipline until you have aspiritual practice and you're
disciplined about it.

SPEAKER_01 (51:25):
We we will we'll plateau and we just don't and
every spiritual teacher everymystery school every mystical
tradition religion has thatembedded into it you know and
it's part of like you you're notyou know 22 minutes a day of
transcendental meditation youknow and or yoga like people who

(51:46):
do yoga challenges andmeditation challenges we know
what happens we don't want to doit we don't want to get on the
map we squirm the personality islike this is boring and stupid
like why don't I want to do ityou know yeah and it's when we
um sit with that and sit throughthat that we begin to make that
separation between like we arenot our ego egoic self it's a

(52:09):
part of us but we stopidentifying with that as who we
are and we we expand our senseof identity into like well
that's just this little like thelittle mind the Buddhists call
the little mind you know part ofus in the big mind is this the
higher self and I I don'tthere's no shortcut there's no
TikTok video you can do to getthere.
There's no like you know pillyou can take there's not no

(52:33):
amount of turmeric or whateveris gonna do it I don't know like
it you just you have to get onthe on the mat.
Yeah whether it's the yoga mator the meditation mat or any of
those things and then we grow wegrow spiritually there's a
maturation that happens I thinkwhere we we're like oh you know
inner child see you go is alsoyour inner child like that's

(52:53):
just that part of me is throwinga fit right now and yep I can
see that that's happening and ohmy gosh oh that looks real it's
so painful and I'll just breatheyou know let's like move that
energy and and then we reallyget a handle on ourselves and we
can live our lives from a moreexpanded place instead of being
at the mercy of this part of usthat's you know not not all it's

(53:19):
not the best of who we are andit's not all of who we are.

SPEAKER_00 (53:23):
Yeah I think we're all just looking for these quick
fixes with everythingeverything's just like now and
quick and fast right and I thinkthat this it's just not and that
can be the most challenging partfor us is like having to sit
with it and having to yeah justthat discipline the ego and the
subconscious is just like no noright and I mean it's like
getting fit like if you're intofitness right you know you know

(53:45):
it's it's about getting in thegym and doing it times a week
five four times a week not justonce but forever.

SPEAKER_01 (53:53):
Yeah and it's the same thing with spiritual
practices.
If you really want it that'swhat you got to be prepared.

SPEAKER_00 (54:00):
Yeah that's my favorite comparison because it's
like I mean you know I I workout a lot and and it it's never
gonna you know you it takes timeto like see any sort of change.

SPEAKER_01 (54:11):
We have to go quick.
Yeah no way around that yeah youjust have to do it.

SPEAKER_00 (54:15):
But it's like in the meantime you might not actually
see the physical changes but youalways feel them if you're in
tune with it.
You know you'll start sleepingbetter you'll start feeling
better you'll start feelingstronger even though it's not
necessarily like a massiveexternal change.
And I think it's the same withspiritual development right it's
like you'll start feeling theselittle things that like make the
difference and so yeah it's andI think like three months down

(54:37):
the road you look in the mirrorand you look different.

SPEAKER_01 (54:40):
Six months down the road rightand the same thing with
meditation with with anyspiritual practice I like
meditating but it's not the onlyspiritual practice.

SPEAKER_00 (54:49):
Yeah you know you stick with it three months down
the road you'll be like sixmonths down the road you'll be
in a embody the difference youknow like live the difference is
there anything like right nowjust energetically in the
collective like time wise I knowthere's so many like prophecies
whether it's astrology or humandesign in 2027 and all these

(55:12):
like massive shifts that havebeen really kind of since 2020
right like happening is thereanything just like psychically
or intuitively that you'repicking up energetically or
things that we can do um in ourto like just develop our own
selves right now and kind ofcome into I guess our I don't
know our truth is the right wordthat I'm looking for, but it's a

(55:35):
tricky time and I think theoverall energy of the time is
this deconstruction energy.

SPEAKER_01 (55:42):
You know so we're at the deconstruction point and the
that's natural it's normal it'snot like it shouldn't be
happening because we justnaturally go through stages
where things are born thingslive things die things we create
you know we sustain we destroyand and it's it's just the
natural cycle of evolution andit's a universal cycle not just

(56:03):
here on earth but everywhere butas humans because we live in
that ego self we don't likechange so the deconstruction
process is never fun it's alwaysuncomfortable um it does come
with opportunity it does comewith opening it you know I think
the uh I think the world isirretrievably broken and it just
has to like burn down to theground and we gotta rebuild we

(56:26):
gotta build I believe we willrebuild at a higher level of
beauty harmony and order becausethat's evolution that's the
evolutionary process andhopefully as we rebuild we make
a better world right that's theopportunity and I think so many
of us especially as healer typeshave been are chosen to

(56:46):
incarnate on this planet at thistime so we can help so we can
help other people so we can ridethe wave of ascension for our
own growth um so I think takingthat view um getting out of fear
and getting out of like you knowthe doom and gloom and the end

(57:07):
of the world that's the end ofthe world as we know it.
Is it the end of the actualworld?
No but is there a whole lot wewant to hold on to about the
world that's leaving I don't Idon't know you know like what
what and as we take a stand forlove as we don't you know give
into the fear as we hold ahigher vibration like we can't
the only thing we have controlover is the state of our own

(57:29):
consciousness.
That's it.
And as we I believe we are hereto hold the lights to hold the
higher state of consciousnessand that actually doing that can
change.
You know I work with humanitiesteam um it's um Bruce Lipton and
Greg Braden and um Neil DonaldWalsh created this beautiful

(57:50):
organization called theHumanities team and they've done
a lot of research that says like10% of the population needs to
shift into this higher state ofconsciousness and it changes the
evolutionary track of all ofhumanity only 10% and I think
we're that 10% you know and sodoing our inner work all the
things we're talking about youknow tuning in more to our

(58:11):
intuition doing the spiritualpractice holding the higher
vision keeping yourself in thelight holding that vision of
what you want the world to bewhat you want your life to be is
how we make the change you knowsort of day by day minute by
minute can you stay in thehigher vibe and not in a like
spiritual bypassing you knowkind of way because we have to

(58:34):
as we make the shift we'repurging out a lot of lower
frequencies a lot of old traumasa lot of you know past lives and
lineage stuff we're just purgingout all this old crap it and it
feels pretty gross you know butI think like when the purge
moments come up you like it alland then you go back and you
know it's like dropping the thesandbags off the hot air balloon

(58:58):
so the hot air balloon can risehigher you know and then we go
back to feeling moments of joy Ithink practicing mindfulness
staying in the moment is reallyimportant.
I think really limiting youraccess to the toxic collective
consciousness oh I'm sorrycollective consciousness I just

(59:18):
called you toxic but you know itkind of is right now you know
and and like is it even real?
Like how much of what we see onthe news and on social it's all
feels like it all feels like Idon't know what it is but it
doesn't feel real to me.
Yeah.
What's really happening I don'tknow like what do we we gotta do
whatever we need to do to and Ifeel like it's back to the

(59:40):
basics for me groundingmeditating sleeping eating
really good food turning off theTV I just watch gardening shows
and like HTTV yeah I watch realgood TV you know what I mean if
I do it all right so yeah youknow um managing myself like
sometimes it's like minute Byminute.

(01:00:01):
This minute, this minute, thisminute.
Like, oh, am I okay?
You know, what do I gotta do tobe out like to stay present in
this moment and work throughwhatever is coming up?
I think that's it.
I don't, you know, but I thinkthat's that's so powerful.
Like, and we we shouldn'tunderestimate the power of our

(01:00:24):
one more person wakes up.
All we need is one more personto wake up, one more person to
hold the light, one more personto choose love or fear.
And we're there.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:32):
Yeah.
I mean, you say like 10%, thatsounds so small, you know, like
like a small.
I mean, I know there's a lot ofpeople in the world, right?
So 10% of that is a pretty bignumber, but at the same time,
it's like 10%.
I don't know.
And and maybe it's like kind ofbeing in this world of you know,
healing and and consciousnessand growth that I feel like
there's so many of us out therethat sometimes I hear people

(01:00:54):
talk about like the other sideor or not being connected with
emotions, and like, oh yeah,there's a whole world out there
that doesn't even know to askfor help or to express their
emotions, right?
I can't think you sometimesforget about that.
So it's remembering that.
And also, like you said, I mean,I think being in your body and
being like, like you said,moment to moment and choosing

(01:01:15):
what's gonna anchor you in andwhat's gonna sort of like keep
you centered and in your own,like that.
It's it sounds so simple andit's like, but I'm not helping
the bigger world, but you reallyare right, you really are that
because you're protecting peoplearound you feel that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:29):
Yeah, people around you feel that, and you know, the
outer world is a reflection ofour inner state of
consciousness.
So if you want to change theworld, you want uh external
peace, you want world peace, youfind peace in yourself.
If you want love in the world,you love yourself.
If you want, you know, all thosethings.
Actually, that's really the onlyleverage we have.

(01:01:49):
We can't control other people,we can't, you know, change
somebody else's mind.
We can't, you know, all we cando is stay in our own lane and
manage our own experience, andthat does have a ripple, you
know, not only to the peoplethat we encounter, but you know,
like like here's my example,like I gotta get on the plane

(01:02:12):
tomorrow, so I'm just gonnapray.
I do a lot of prayer, like I'llpray a lot on the plane that
everyone be safe, thateveryone's calm, that everyone's
happy, that no one's scared, youknow.
I'll just send a wash of lovethrough the plane and you know
and that makes an impact.
And then I'll hold myself in acalm state, in a as calm as I

(01:02:36):
can be, you know, in that state,and just we'll see what happens.
Like try it and see, like ifyou're in the grocery store, if
you're in the checkout lane, oryou're with your kids, or you
know, if if we hold that highervibe, people sort of entrain to
it, you know, they startvibrating that way.
And we're all looking for that.
We're all looking for that peaceand that harmony and that love

(01:02:58):
when we feel it around, we'relike, oh my god, that feels so
good, you know, when we getaround somebody who's radiating
that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:06):
Yeah.
Yeah, and I was thinking like ifif you're a parent or just like
watching parents with kids, it'sthe best example of that, right?
Because kids like don't listento what you say, it's more like
what you do, right?
If your child is freaking outand then you're reacting to
that, it just amplifieseverything.
Versus if you can like stay calmand have the conversation, then
it's you see them start tosettle, you know.

(01:03:26):
And I think that that examplejust like extending outwards to
more than just you know yourchild, but it with everyone you
come into contact with.
If you're just superreactionary, people just feed
off that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:36):
Yeah, it's like the mirror, you know, the outer
world is a mirror to our innerstate.
And if we're reflecting out calmand peace and poise and
equanimity and all those things,then people react to that.
Um, and if we're if we're addingto the fear and the reactivity
and the craziness, we're justthrowing more fuel on the fire.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:59):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:01):
Well, this has been such a good conversation.
And how can I know you have likecourses and you work with people
in order to, you know, have themtune into their gifts and get
more healers out into the world.
So, how can they find you?
How can they work with you andwhat are you working on now?

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:14):
Sure, yeah.
So my website, lisacampion.com,is the place to go.
And I have um all kinds ofonline psychic development
programs from beginner,intermediate, advanced, and even
professional level.
I teach Reiki online, my ownbrand of Reiki called Psychic
Reiki, which is a combination ofpsychic development and Reiki
training.

(01:04:35):
And um, I have a bunch of books.
So about Reiki, about being anempath, about psychic
development.
You can find them anywhere aboutyour soul.
I have a YouTube channel thathas a lot of free stuff.
I have a podcast called TheMiracle of Healing, check it
out.
And um, and I thank you so muchfor your for your beautiful
work, for your beautiful work.
I love your podcast.

(01:04:56):
So thank you for all the workyou're doing out in the world
too.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:58):
Thank you, and thank you so much for being here and
sharing everything with thelisteners.
Thank you.

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