What if you could become your own best doctor? Discover groundbreaking insights from Dr. Christine Schaffner, a leader in holistic health who transformed her career from conventional medicine to naturopathic healing. In this captivating episode, Dr. Schaffner shares her profound journey and highlights the often-overlooked oral systemic connection, emphasizing the importance of dental histories in understanding the root causes of diseases. Together, we explore how the body's autonomic nervous system and fascia play crucial roles in self-regulation and healing.
We dive into the fascinating world of neurotherapy, focusing on the impact of scar tissue and segmental patterns on systemic health. Dr. Schaffner unravels the concept of "islands of turbulence," where scars create disruptions that affect the autonomic nervous system and fascia. Learn how targeted injections rejuvenate cellular communication and release trauma, offering patients rapid relief in a manner akin to "acupuncture on steroids." We also delve into the mysterious interstitium and its role in fluid movement, shedding light on how neurotherapy can revitalize this newly discovered organ.
The conversation takes an intriguing turn as we examine the energetic aspects of health, particularly the potential toxicity of root canals and the power of energy-based modalities like light and sound therapies.
Dr. Schaffner explains how maintaining high energy levels is vital for overcoming chronic illness, drawing inspiration from Dr. Tennant's "Healing is Voltage." As we conclude, we reflect on the transformative potential of sound and light therapies and the importance of collaboration in holistic healthcare. Don't miss out on exploring more of Dr. Christine's groundbreaking work through her podcast and website.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to another episode of the Root of
the Matter.
I am your host, Dr RachelCarver, and today I am over the
moon with one of people who Iconsider to be one of my mentors
, and when I'm looking to learnsomething new, I'm always on her
podcast, the Spectrum of Health, Dr Christine Chaffner.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
(00:20):
She's an incredibly busy lady,so this is a big honor for all
of us to have her with us today.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Thank you, Rachel.
It's an honor to be here and Ijust love to see everything that
you've done and how you'veexpanded your vision for your
really your vocation, and it'sjust been awesome to see you
grow as well.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I think I first knew of you back in 2020 when I
started listening to a lot ofsummits, and I think it was your
conversation.
You back in 2020 when I startedlistening to a lot of summits,
and I think it was yourconversation with Jay Davidson
where I found about Cellcor andthen we actually got to meet at
Cellcor's ECO.
So we've been seeing each other.
Now we go yearly and eventhough maybe we only see each
(01:01):
other once a year, I just feellike we have a connection.
You've helped me with so muchin you know not just you know my
business, but my life andcareer and health stuff.
She may be younger than me guys, but she's really smart and I
consider her a mentor.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
You're reverse aging, because I think we're the same.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Let's hope so.
Let's hope so.
But Christina and I also, weshare a kind of a love for
knowledge and really wanting tocreate awareness about.
We all want our patients to betheir own best doctors.
We want to partner with ourpatients and we want to expose
them to all these differentavenues of health that exist
today.
We live in one aspect we livein a world that's so toxic and
(01:39):
really disease care conventionalnutrition but on the upside
there's so many I really likethe word the upside there's so
many really like the wordalternative, but there are so
many other great optimizingtherapies that are out there
that are available to us and Ihad a hard time trying to think
about what we were going to talkabout, because we could talk
for five hours because DrChristine knows so much.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I love it.
I know that we're going to havefun.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Let's maybe start with.
I know I remember one of thefirst times I heard you talk you
talked about in yournaturopathic training.
You were actually introduced tothe math and you were taught
about that, which is rare inconventional and even sometimes
naturopathic training.
So tell us a little bit aboutyour first kind of introduction
to the oral systemic connectionand maybe how you incorporate
(02:26):
that into maybe a new patientexam or an intake.
How does that factor into adiagnosis?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I had the conflict whether I would do the
traditional path that was laidbefore me by my family and check
off all the accolades thatwe're all striving for a young
age, or take a leap of faith tobecome a naturopathic doctor.
And so that journey really ledme to Bastyr University where I
(02:54):
got my foundational training andI remember at one of the brown
bag lunches we had and I reallyhad in my heart that I didn't
want to just do the surface kindof medicine.
I really wanted to go deep andget people answers to really
resolve these issues.
Because at the end of the day,I think why you and I are so
passionate and we share this, Ithink shared a value that you
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don't have your life if youdon't have your health.
I've seen people from alldifferent bank account levels,
all different places in theirlife and health is the great
equalizer.
It is something that when youare in pain or you're in a state
of disease, it takes you out ofyour, I think, purpose on some
level and puts you into yourroot and survival.
(03:40):
And while that could be part ofyour healing journey and part
of your life purpose, manypeople unfortunately stay in
that state and don't have theanswers or the framework or the
narrative that they can heal andthat their body is wise and
intelligent and divine.
Whole field of medicine that, Ithink, is only going to get
(04:08):
even more awareness, especiallyover this next 20 years, that is
available to them and I justwanted to plant that seed.
And then, really, I went to thisbrown bag lunch and the Dr
Louisa Williams, who is one ofthe mentors of mine.
She wrote a beautiful book,radical Medicine, and it had
just come out and so she askedus in the brown bag lunch she
said what is the first thing youdo with a patient and
(04:31):
everyone's?
Take them off gluten, do allthe food allergy testing, so gut
focus, which is important.
But she said you look in theirmouth and you look and you do a
thorough dental history becausedisease starts in the mouth.
From her perspective and Ireally do think that while
conventional dentists are lovelypeople, unfortunately they're
(04:52):
trained in a very archaic systemand a very disease promoting
systems she really created thisbeautiful body of work and
distilled it in radical medicineand I used to carry that book
around me.
It was big, it was before theKindle was out and wherever I
would go it was just likeosmosis.
I just knew I wanted to knoweverything in that book and my
(05:15):
study and post-vast year.
Really I had other mentors thattaught me bioregulatory
medicine.
And again, regulation issomething that I think we forget
often.
Even in naturopathic medicineor functional medicine or many
even root cause medicines, weforget to just start from that
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beginning point and that kind oflaying the playing field.
No matter how complex anillness is, we still go back to
our roots and we trust that thebody has this self-regulatory
capacity.
And regulation, I think, is notonly the autonomic nervous
system but I believe it's alsothe fascia, and so they work
together and I think there aretwo sides of a coin of this
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regulatory tissue and when weget into these disease states
there's something that isinterfering or blocking or not
allowing the self-regulatorycapacity to be really liberated
in these tissues.
So when you think about themouth, I do always I ask my new
patients for a gundle history,from basic to complex, depending
(06:19):
, but just a basic screening, aswould be history or current
amalgam fillings, root canals orany teeth extractions where
there could be possibly acavitation.
There could be also otherquestions.
If they still have a currentpermanent retainer, do they have
braces?
What is their job?
What's their teeth grinding?
What's their occlusion?
(06:41):
Do they have sleep apnea?
There's many other complexities, but the screening is those
three questions.
Hey, do you have amalgamscurrently or ever have them?
Do you have root canals?
Or have you had your wisdomteeth extracted or any other
teeth extracted that potentiallymight have healed not healed as
properly?
So we dive into that and whyall of those things are really
(07:02):
important.
As many of your audience knows,of course, each tooth not only
is really in touch with thecirculatory system that can go
systemic even conventionaldentists and doctors know that
anybody who has an infection intheir mouth can affect their
heart or systemic.
But we don't put it togetherwhen we're thinking of a chronic
illness, unfortunately still inmedicine.
(07:24):
And so we know that there'sthat systemic relationship with
circulation.
And then I know you educateabout the meridian system.
So each tooth sits on ameridian which can affect that
organ system and be either acause or a correlation with that
system being ill.
But I also think if you havetoxicity or biotoxins or
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microbes, there are thesehighways in the body we don't
often think about and they canmigrate through not only the
circulatory system but thelymphatic network that is all
throughout the body that also istalking to and communicating
with the nervous system.
So if you get these microbes orthese toxicants in the
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lymphatics they can migrate intothe nerves and some of the
nerves actually absorb theselipophilic toxicants that can
affect actually nerve functionor communication.
We also can get these biotoxinsor we can get these different
toxicant amalgam filling relatedmetals that can be inhaled and
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they can basically bathe thetonsils.
They can bathe the whole bulgeor gut-associated lymphatic
tissue or even our costallymphatic tissue and the mucosal
lymphatic tissue and themucosal membranes in our sinuses
.
And then I've learned throughdentists and biological or
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bioregulatory medicine that someof these toxicants actually,
through what we call retrogradeaxonal transport, can be carried
from the nerves that connect tothe cranial nerves that connect
to the brain and then these arehighways into the brain.
So one of the very commonsymptoms of mercury toxicity is
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neurological symptoms.
So people can have dementia toinsomnia, to anxiety, depression
, brain fog or anything inbetween of how to prevent it,
anything in between of how womenfind them.
So I feel like this is old newsthat still has so much more
awareness to share with thispopulation because all of the
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baby numbers who are getting oldright now or are going through
the aging process.
They have those conventionalgenital practices that are still
unfortunately happening, butless especially with the amount
of disease.
So that's a long that's a longtime.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
It's fabulous, you know.
Interesting because there'sbeen a lot of research lately
showing how.
There was an article I readrecently showing how that
Porphymonis gingivalis, which isone of those common oral
bacteria that's considered a badguy or red complex that can
activate the microglia in thebrain, which is the microglia is
what produces those plaqueswhich a lot of Alzheimer's meds
(10:12):
have been trying to target that.
But now we understand thatthose plaques are actually a
protective mechanism for theinsults of these bacteria and
the bacterial toxins.
That's pretty damning andpretty important why we need to
take care of the mouth.
I always say I'm so fortunate tobe a dentist because I have
such an accessible area to workon.
I'm not trying to work on thebrain or in the arteries, I
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shouldn't say easy but comparedto all the other specialties in
medicine, I have good access tobe able to rid the body of
toxins and infections.
I always in all of my lecturesshow that the picture of all the
nerves and the lymph and howthey're all intimately connected
right, as you've said, like 20%of our lymphs in our head and
(10:54):
neck, right and we're now wejust recently what's been about,
not even 10 years right, wherewe learned about the glymphatics
and how, if we're not sleepingwell, right.
So if we have sleep apnea orany issues there, we're not
draining the brain for all thosetoxins that could be there.
Do you know?
So trigeminal neuralgia is oneof those tricky things that
people are like we don't knowwhat to do about it.
Do you think there's aninfectious component, perhaps
(11:16):
from the mouth, that causes that?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Unfortunately, I've seen people go through
trigeminal neuralgia, like I'msure you have, and it's one of
the worst pains.
They talk about it as like icepick pain or this really
debilitating pain that againtakes them out of life.
They can't sleep, they can'tfunction, they have to rely on
pain medication and there's nota lot of answers.
I'm hoping in our lifetime,rachel, in my lifetime, that we
(11:39):
can really get closerinformation to actually figure
out what's living in that nervetissue.
However, I do believe throughI've seen it actually firsthand.
I'm thinking of a patient inparticular.
When I saw her at first, shehad many amalgam fillings and
many root canals and through ourcombined treatment with myself
(12:02):
and a great dentist in town, shewent through a removal of root
canals and removal of heramalgams and through chelation I
saw her trigeminal neuralgia goaway Again.
It's not just one thing, but Ido believe that if you have
amalgams, mercury is probablythe first ascender to layer
terrain where there can be hosts.
(12:22):
It can be a more hospitablehost to either Lyme spirochetes
or other spirochetes that areoften in the mouth, also viruses
.
So there's a lot of headacheviruses that can live in the
nerves that get activated whenthe immune system is not able to
keep up with keeping thoseviruses dormant, so Lyme viruses
(12:45):
.
I think other infections couldbe secondary, creating
inflammation, but I believe theheavy metals, plus spirochetes
and viruses, are probably thebiggest offenders.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And now both of us really are big proponents of the
neural therapy, and that's whenI'd see the patient.
My sister was probably one ofthe first I saw with the
trigeminal neuralgia.
She was like it's this tooth?
She kept pointing the tooth andI was like it's the virgin
tooth.
It's never had a filling, likenothing wrong with the tooth.
So I was like, oh, I'm just.
At that time I was like ozonedoes everything.
It's magic, you know.
And so I was like well, let mejust give you some ozone up
(13:34):
there, the pain down a littlebit.
Do you think?
Talk to us a little bit aboutwhat neural therapy is, why it
can be helpful in certainsituations?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Neural therapy is one of the most powerful tools in
my toolkit that I use.
I know many of us gravitate todifferent therapeutics.
There's many paths around, butneural therapy is about over a
hundred year old technique thatdeveloped in Europe,
specifically Germany, and they,these two brothers, actually
were finding that when they wentto the root cause of a
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pathology inducing syndrome thatif they basically use the
anesthetic and created alessening in pain or
inflammation in either thatnerve or that tooth or that area
of the body, the whole bodyrelaxed and that symptoms would
go away.
So what developed out of thatis this use of procaine.
So I know dentists are veryfamiliar with Novocaine or
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procaine, but we compounded.
It's preservative free, so it'sgoing to be a cleaner form than
the average dentist use.
It's very readily broken downin the body and to basically
help healthy metabolites thebody can quickly get rid of but
has a short half-life, and so Ihave very sensitive patients and
most of my patients I actuallyknock on what I've seen even my
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most sensitive patients tolerateneurotherapy.
They might only be able totolerate a little bit in the
beginning and then, as we gothrough the healing journey and
they become less sensitive overtime we can do more neurotherapy
.
So neurotherapy can be injectedinto ganglia, it can be injected
into segmental patterns or scartissue.
(15:05):
So when we go back to thosetissues of regulation, we think
about the autonomic nervoussystem and the fascia.
So I'll start with scar tissue,because that's one of the
things that levels the playingfield when we inject the scars.
So scars can be areas of injuryfrom a surgery, from a trauma,
from a mole removal, what haveyou, and the body is so
intelligent that it heals thatarea, but it doesn't heal it in
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the same way that the originalfascial fabric looks.
So it's more denser, it's moreirregular, it's going to be like
a traffic jam in that tissue,locally and systemically,
because the whole system worksand communicates as a whole
integrated system.
And so when there is acompartmentalization or
stagnation in the tissue, thatcan affect the whole system.
(15:50):
And in that scar Louisa Williamssays it's an island of
turbulence, meaning this trafficjam can be a net for toxicants'
trauma through the facialmemory and pathogens, as many
co-infections or otherself-adherence love the
connective tissue.
That's where it loves to hide,that's where cellular music is
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more connected to CO.
And so when we inject the scar,we're not only injecting a
length of the scar but we'realso injecting underneath the
scar to bring back fluidity, tohelp restore cellular voltage,
to increase circulation, to backvery much in the area and to
create less stimulation in thattissue.
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So often what people feel islike a lightening of the
symptoms.
If there was a good traumaenvironment they can release
that trauma from their tissuesand then just get the crinkle
and the saran wrap right.
There's kind of this area orthis crinkle that kind of starts
to move over the hole.
There's not tension on the restof the saran wrap.
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I see other symptoms improve,other pain patterns or other
normal symptoms improve.
And the nerve fibers arecommunicating in the fossa, so
it's happening in theenvironment, in the flacid, is
important for the nerve fibersto send the brain, to send them
into the surrounding tissue.
So that's one kind of reallyfun, not sweet one.
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And when I do a lot ofsegmental patterns I've been
training them more oncollections.
But I just work where I'm at.
I feel like I can do a lot withsegmental patterning, with the
principles of interstitial aswell.
Segmental patterning can be inareas around either the brain,
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sinuses, the lymph, the tonsils,the thyroid, the lung, the
liver, the spleen, the smallintestine, the kidneys and
really anywhere that there is anorgan and or a tissue that is
in pain and or in pathology.
And so what segmentalpatterning is?
We inject in the surface of theskin and we're working with
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nerve communication.
So we're working with thecutaneal nerves, are talking to
the deeper nerves that aretalking to the capillaries that
can increase the flow of bloodto an organ.
So that is one area of why itworks so well.
I think there's another reasonthat we'll probably learn more
about in our lifetime is thatthe essentially the, the fluid
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of the procaine also goes into anewly discovered organ.
We're talking about two newlydiscovered organs in the last 10
years, something that's calledthe interstitium.
So under the skin, when we learnderm and dermatology and our
histology classes, we learn that, okay, we have seven layers of
dermis.
Underneath the seven layers ofthe skin is the stacks of
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collagen and then there's fatand other lymphatic tissues and
so on.
However, what we've learned inthose stacks of collagen because
we're looking at dead tissue,not alive tissue, and that's
what we didn't realize, thelymphatic system, until we could
visualize the alive brain thatin that stacked of collagen,
stacks of collagen, they'reactually these vacuoles of fluid
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.
And so what happens is thatwhen we go into the skin, before
we even get to the blood supplyor before those nerves get to
the capillaries, we get intothose fluid vacuoles that can
actually deliver through thiswhole body-wide network of the
interstitium that actuallycommunicates with the limb.
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I think there is some movementof fluid that gets trapped or
stuck in the interstitium whenpeople are sick, and so I think
the propane is also not onlyopening up blood flow to the
liver or the kidneys so it canfunction better and move energy
in that organ system, but Ithink we're also moving the
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interstitium and alleviatingstagnation in the interstitium,
and that's why I think peoplefeel good as well.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, I agree with you.
It's one of my favorite thingsthat I ever learned, because the
therapy is so profound.
It's absolutely amazing howpeople feel so much better so
quickly with, like, very like,really no side effects, no
contraindications, like it'sjust absolutely incredible
patients who have been, you know, on steroids and all these
things to try to get rid of thispain.
(20:27):
And then you get on my head,you know, one CC of some
procaine.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I call it acupuncture and steroids.
I just I love acupuncture and Igo to it regularly, but
especially for the trigeminalnerve.
You can do a sinus pattern tohelp alleviate pain in the
trigeminal nerve, where you'redoing a bunch of acupuncture
points that follow thetrigeminal nerve.
You can do this phenopalatineganglion or the odic ganglion or
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even the tonsils or just thelymphatics or the vagus nerve.
I get a lot of results withjust the sinus pattern and maybe
the tonsils to help alleviatepain in the head.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, it's great.
I was just going to circle backto the tonsils, because that's
a big one, you know.
We see it is not the most funinjection to get, but it's
pretty profound what I have apatient who's been coming to me
just for that and she, the poorthing, is going through so much.
She's had been labeled withchronic fatigue and fibromyalgia
and all those syndromes that wedon't really know what's wrong
(21:29):
with you and that's having suchan effect on her skin, even
right, she's breaking out andall these things.
She's have that long haulersyndrome type of thing.
That's what she claims Likeever since the shot she's just
never been seen.
And it's amazing how thetonsils are a major area of
immune tissue, right, and lymphtissue and, like you said,
that's all connected to thewhole body and so it's
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fascinating when you can drainthat.
And the cool thing about neuraltherapy again, it's not like a
steroid, right?
We're not trying to stop abody's reaction, we are
stimulating the body should dowhat it's meant to do, right?
This is that idea.
What we mean by thisbioregulatory is we are trying
to give the body a hands up andsay, hey, remember how to do
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this.
We need a little supportbecause it's being so bogged
down by inflammation orinfection or toxins, whatever it
is, and that's why there arereally no side effects and
that's why most people cantolerate it, because, again,
we're stimulating the body to dowhat it's supposed to do by
basically injecting energy.
Both you and I are big energypeople, big believers in the
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quantum and how all thisinteracts, and that it's really
important to understand thatit's this energy that underlies
the biochemistry.
Conventional medicine doesn't.
It's all about the biochemistry, but what allows that chemistry
to work is the energy behind it.
And when we are sick and wehave pain, I always, when I see
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pain, I'm thinking why isn't theenergy flowing?
And so that's basically likeyou were talking about, with a
scar.
This is an area where energy isinterrupted.
Right, there's an earthquakeand the road suddenly is broken
and now we can't get over thebroken pavement right.
And so the idea of the procaineis to reconnect, improve that
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pavement, make it smooth againso that energy can flow back and
forth, and make sure thatfascia can move and supply all
the nutrients that theunderlying tissues need.
It's amazing.
I think it works great for TMJissues.
There's often so muchinflammation there and I like to
sometimes combine it with somehomeopathics to help the lymph
drain a little bit more.
But it seems once you reducethat inflammation the body can
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heal itself.
But if you've got this chronicinflammation the body is just
always on high alert and we haveproblems and it's hard to get
better when you're just in thatconstant state of inflammation.
So I'm a big fan of the neuraltherapy.
I really like wish more peoplewould understand it.
We teach more about it.
I think that will happen.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I think we will.
Yeah, I think it's their time.
We have wonderful colleagues,dr Anne Hell and her partner Dr
Alana.
Yeah, I had Anne on the podcast, so she told me we did one
whole podcast solely aboutneural therapy, but I want to
get your perspective because Iknow you've been doing it for so
long.
Yeah, I love her, I love itPassing the torch.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, exactly, we have this great network of
people who know all thesewonderful things.
So I just had an endodontist onwho was really interesting,
because in the biologic world,bioregulator, we see a lot of
things where, oh, root canal,they're bad, and her comment is
if it's done, we can try to atleast bias time of the teeth,
and I think it's an importantavenue.
(24:39):
But most of the time, as wediscussed that, most people who
are doing these root canalsaren't properly trained, they're
not using the technology, we'renot fully cleaning this out,
and that's what leads toresidual infection and now most
of the nerve is removed sopeople don't feel anything but
like in your situation, that'sone of the first things you ask
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are there root canals?
So tell us a little bit about,as a medical, naturopathic
doctor, when you're looking atoverall health, because she
couldn't really answer thequestion I was asking how do you
see this related to overallhealth?
And she was that's not.
She doesn't know.
As the medical doctor, what areyou seeing sometimes?
That maybe a poorly done,improperly cleaned root canal
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how does that affect?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, no, and I am so glad you're talking about this
and ultimately root canals aredead teeth.
I'm really open.
I know it's becoming morepopular to do like a healthy
root canal, which I think canbuy people time.
That's all you know kind ofwhat we're trying to do, Cause
it's a lot to consider to removea tooth, especially depending
on where it is, what else isgoing on in the mouth, who they
have locally to do a good job,to extract the tooth and think
(25:45):
of a long-term plan, and thepain is real, Like when people
are going through a dying tooth.
There can be like a reallysevere pain.
Ultimately, I do stand by myknowledge and I'm always happy
to be swayed differently astechnology gets better that a
root canal is a dead tooth andwe don't ideally keep dead
matter in our mouth because whatin traditional?
(26:08):
We'll just talk traditional.
Then obviously you have thiswonderful endodontist who's
doing?
it a different way.
Often in a traditional rootcanal there's a dying tooth.
They take out the nerve, theystuff non-biocompatible material
often metals and differentresins that are not
biocompatible and seal off thetooth no ozone, no
(26:33):
antimicrobials and they say, ok,we took that dead tooth and we
sterilized it in a way that it'sgoing to be fine.
And there are many people whohave debunked that thought and
from my just observation I amjust clinically observing people
Root canals are a chronicpoisoning of the body.
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So it's basically a chronicpoisoning of the toxicity from
what's inside the tooth.
Again, it's, over time, gettingin the circulation, it's
getting into the lymph, it'sgetting into the nerves.
We're inhaling it, we'reaffecting our sinuses and our
tonsils, we're affecting our gut.
Many chronic SIBO issues orchronic gut issues begin in the
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mouth, in the sinuses, in thetonsils.
So essentially, why whathappens to that root canal?
Over time, what I learned isthat the root canal can
basically start producingmercaptans and bioethers.
That are biotoxins that take upa lot of our sulfur-containing
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mechanisms or pathways toessentially detoxify.
And when we deplete the body ofsulfur we cannot basically
remove other toxicants as well.
A lot of our detox agents arewhat we call
sulfhydryl-affinitive, bindingeither metals or these biotoxins
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to get out of the body.
One of the things we do to helpmitigate root canals is give
the body flooded with MSM.
Some people say they have asulfur sensitivity.
We have sulfur in every cell ofour body and, yes, I think
there are people who don'tprocess sulfite or sulfates well
, but I don't think we trulyhave an allergy.
That means I think there's abig toxicity component.
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There's this sulfur depletionin the body, there's the
thioethers and the mercaptansand then they found over time
that bacteria okay, this is nota serotooth, this is an
environment.
We always think that things arenicely compartmentalized in the
body.
Here's the nervous system,here's the lymphatic system,
here's the circulatory system,here's another tooth.
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But what's happening in thisroot canal, the other tooth, if
they're having any issues, anygingivitis, any periodontal
disease, any oral kind ofimbalances of microbes?
You look at the oral health allthe time.
Many of us have just imbalancein our microbes in our teeth and
that can over time migrate andagain, that doesn't have a
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healthy living environment tohelp clear and change that over
time.
So those microbes can getembedded in that dentin and then
there can be like a littlethriving community of microbes
that the body can't resolve, andthen again that can be
chronically poisoning lymphnodes, nerves, the gut, the
mucosal surfaces of the body.
(29:29):
And these are the people who doeverything to maintain their
health.
They do all the lymphatic work,they do every supplement and
they don't go far.
And that's how we look at theseinterference fields, right, we
look at these things that areinterfering with our body's
ability to self-regulate.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah and I have this theory because I'm big in the
energy world too that okay,because it's dead right, there's
no more blood supply thereanymore.
That I almost feel like, whenwe think about frequency, right,
everything in life is energy,right, and we are just dense
energy that looks like matter,right, but we're really just
energy.
So I'd say, in that area wherethere's less blood supply, the
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frequency of that terrain and itcan almost attract those
spirochetes and fungus andwhatever it is, they can go live
there happily because there'sno more blood supply, right.
So the immune systems can'treally see them and deal with it
, and so it's almost like theymigrate to an area of this low
frequency and can sit and createproblems.
That's why I like things likeozone and neural therapy,
(30:30):
because I'm like let's putenergy in it.
The more energy, the healthierwe are.
A lot of us who are chronicallyill.
Our overall body energy is verytight because all of us could
be sick, but those of us who areable to produce more energy
have more energy.
Even if we eat a fungus or wehave parasites, if our energy
level is high enough, our bodycan regulate itself and remove
(30:54):
those toxins.
It's when we get so bogged downthat our energy, in my opinion,
that our energy is so low thatwe're just in this chronic state
of infection, right?
So that's why I'm alwaysthinking how do I yes, I can try
to give you antimicrobial thisand do this and that, but how do
I also then get the energy highenough so it doesn't come back
right?
How do we get you out of thatchronic state?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, and that's where Dr Tennant right.
He wrote a book Healing isVoltage, and I got to see him
before I became a naturopath atUVA.
He was at our complementary andalternative medicine class in
the School of Nursing.
That was run by a naturopathicdoctor in like 2002.
And he told us about his storyof chronic illness.
(31:37):
And he was in bed for 13 yearsbecause he got viruses in his
eyes during the first LASIKsurgery surgeries and that went
to his brain.
And he was in bed for 13 yearsbecause he got viruses in his
eyes during the first LASIKsurgery surgeries and that went
to his brain and so he had thiskind of myalgic encephalitis
that he was bedbound.
Again, here's this highlyfunctioning, amazing person
bedbound by this illness and hetried everything and he finally
(31:58):
put it together that he foundthe SCANAR equipment that again
became the tenant biomodulatorin his community, that it was
based on charge and I will neverforget that conversation that
he said.
He said that my immune systemcould not see the charge of the
bugs and so the SCANAR reminded.
Like there's when we talk aboutfrequency.
(32:19):
Here we are in the age ofAquarius.
Now Pluto's in Aquarius as wespeak.
So this is going to be a 20year paradigm shift where we're
going to be talking aboutfrequency, electromagnetism,
light, sound, vibration,interconnection, that we're
around this.
We're all interconnected withthis field of energy and the
more we observe it andparticipate in it, the more we
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can co-create with it.
And when we think about thequantum piece of our terrain or
the quantum terrain, we comefrom an energy field.
Not only do we emanate andgenerate and have this
bidirectional communication fromthe field, but we come from a
field of energy and really wherewe both contemplate, I know,
(33:02):
are these people, are thesedifferent pioneers?
Dispenza says to change matterwith matter takes time, but when
you change the field you changematter.
And so when we can change thesehigh level distortion, the
distorted patterns in the fieldsof our communication, that we
can have an easier time changingthe biochemistry.
So what does that mean?
(33:22):
I think distorted patterns inthe field could be ancestral
trauma.
I think they can be justcurrent life trauma.
I think it could be anythingthat blocks us from our higher
self or higher knowing.
So that could be the toxicity,the pathogens.
Life, as you said, iseverything, has a signature,
frequency and also a basicallysignature, and vibrations
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actually create patterns andmediums like water or other
mediums, and these vibrationscreate either patterns that are
coherent or distorted, so thattop level information of either
a coherent pattern or distortedpattern will tell ourselves
either to create healthymitochondria, create healthy
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energy, create healthyepigenetic translation, or it's
going to create distorted ordysregulated patterns that are
not promoting our highestpotential but are going to be
patterns that perpetuate illnessin our ancestry or in our
lineage.
It's esoteric to a lot of people, but we're beginning to talk
(34:27):
about these things with verytangible science.
In my downtime, I read quantumphysics papers and I try to
educate and do different eventsaround this, because there is so
much body of work around this.
It's just up to us, I think, asclinicians, to educate and also
integrate.
Okay, we still live in a 3Dbody.
(34:48):
We definitely have thisexperience as being human, but
how can we expand upon and howcan we rewrite all of our
stories and our journeys so thatwe can actually change our
epigenetic environment?
And I think, ultimately, all ofour cells are not only possible
(35:09):
this is a possibility for all ofus but there's also.
We're all interconnected.
Whether we believe it or observeit or want to look at that or
not.
There is a part of us and everyatom of our cell that is
connected to this greater fieldof energy.
So it's just my mind just goesin all these different
directions with this and I'mtrying to create a narrative and
(35:31):
a model for my own knowledgebase so that I can bring it to
more people in my community, sowe can just keep on refining it
and finding tools and ultimatelyit's going to create better
results.
So that's why we're allmotivated to do this.
Who wouldn't want to practicewhere we just see people for a
year, rather in chronic illnessI have lifelong patients like
(35:52):
that are just.
These are long-termrelationships, not because they
don't get better in a certainperiod of time, but because life
is so stressful and if we don'tmaintain our health with all
these tools, we can get knockeddown Right.
And so, yeah, it's just a, it'sa passion of both of ours and I
think we're both really in thisstate of contemplation, but I
know in my heart that we're inthe midst of creating this new
(36:14):
model of medicine.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I totally agree and we've talked to a bunch of times
on the podcast too about this,the emotional, those kinds of
traumas.
And I see, the longer Ipractice now I have now patients
are calling because I'm outthere and about and patients
coming from far away will doZoom consults and they'll tell
me the story.
They've been to a millionpeople, right, you have the same
patients and the story is solong and they've done everything
(36:40):
right In quotes.
And my first question is alwayswhat are the, what are the
stresses in your life?
What is the emotional component?
Because to me, you can do allthe right things, right, but if
you're in that discoherence orwhatever, you can put all the
vitamins and supplements and allthe exercise and stuff in there
, but until we get thatcoherence we can't get past the
(37:00):
finish line.
Basically, both of us are fansof the, the nest health, but
until we get that coherence wecan't get past the finish line.
Basically, both of us are fansof the Nest Health system
because one of the ways again,the technology is exploding.
I cannot wait for their littlenew device to come out, that one
, the wearable.
That sounds amazing.
I keep calling them like whenis it coming?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
out.
I'm getting all that out tomarket.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, this is one way .
How do we measure right?
So let's say, okay, yes, maybethere are all these emotional
traumas or maybe, and sometimeseven maybe you had a parasite 10
years ago and maybe thatphysical parasite's not in there
, but there can still be thatenergetic component in the train
that's creating that.
That.
What was the word you use, notthis coherent but yeah, there's
fragmented or whatever, theproblem right and Talk to us a
(37:41):
little bit about what the NessHealth is.
There are other things, like DrTennant's Biomodulator, I think
is very similar to the my Healthand Ness Health.
Those similar technologies camefrom the same thing.
But how do you use that?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, we all get asked like how do we put this
all together?
And at this current time in mylife, I say, when I treat people
and this is not linear but it'slike regulation, drainage,
resonance, coherence andregeneration, and resonance and
coherence are these kinds ofprinciples of.
I use bioresonance tools and Iuse this concept of resonance
(38:18):
when there is a frequency matchbetween two, basically
signatures of frequencies thatcan there can be an exchange of
information, right?
So when we're thinking aboutall of this information all
these chronic Leo people have,and how do we distill it in a 75
minute appointment to this sothat we can actually move them
forward and create momentum intheir life.
(38:39):
And I rely and I think there aregoing to be many more tools out
there in this 20 yearyearperiod but I rely not only on my
clinical pattern recognition,my clinical history, taking my
intuition, but I rely onbioresonance tools that
basically have this not the bodyor stressors in the body that
(39:00):
there is a frequency signature.
So there is basically thescanning of the body by
connecting the body with eitherthe device in person or through
quantum intake or through thevoice that we can basically
detect.
Is there a frequency match thatthis is?
Are you in resonance withyourself?
(39:20):
Are you in resonance withsomething that is distorting
your health?
And then, looking at thepattern, right, it's not
diagnostic, but it gives us awhole screening of where there
could be emotions or meridiansthat are blocked or areas in the
body.
The atlas that is out of balanceand we need to bring a scaling
through an adjustment and I alsouse the AO scan so it can help
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us a little bit identify likedifferent microbes that could be
more prioritized.
And so we take all thatinformation and then I talk with
the body and communicate withthe body through muscle testing.
So we're actually just openingourselves up to both of our
intuitions, the greater field ofenergy that we're all
surrounded in, but the intentionto help that person.
And then we're communicatingwith the body to see what brings
(40:05):
healing and ease, what createsa parasympathetic response
versus a stress response.
And then we bring all thisinformation to a treatment plan,
which then that is going to bethe next step on a journey of
unwinding and a nonlinearprocess of healing.
And I really don't know how Iwould practice without these
(40:27):
tools.
I look at lab work all the time,and lab work is helpful.
You can get really good atlooking at the signatures of lab
work and seeing where peoplecould be having issues, but it
is actually doesn't give us thefull story, and that's why
there's so many people who go tothe medical system.
They don't look as sick as theyfeel they go get lab work and
they's why there's so manypeople who go to the medical
system.
They don't look as sick as theyfeel.
They go get lab work andthey're told there's nothing
(40:50):
wrong with them.
And that's where we come intothe picture.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Absolutely, and that's what I love, because so,
with these kind of screeningtools, we're able to see hey,
like you said, there's someresonant issues there and things
like homeopathics.
Now there's so much betweenlight and sound.
There's a million apps outthere.
One of my favorites isMeditative Mind and it has so
many different categories.
Okay, I feel like removingtoxins right now, or I want to
(41:16):
feel abundant, or whatever.
It is all these differentfrequencies and I love.
There's a video somewhere onlinethat shows all these metronomes
maybe like 20 metronomes, rightand they start them all at
different times and with thematter of I don't know what, it
is 30 minutes or whatever theyall start going at the exact
same pace.
And that's the kind of idea ofenergy and that's how
homeopathics and all thesemodalities work is, we put in
(41:39):
the frequency and then all thatfrequency goes through the
terrain, hopefully, and then weall start resonating the same.
Again, these seem weirdconcepts.
This has been around for amillennia.
We're just now trying tountrain.
We're now able to measure thesethings, which is cool, and it's
just going to the pace at whichwe're starting to understand
(41:59):
all this energy is so enormousthat the potentials for really
healing are.
I can't even.
I can't count them, can't evenput it into words because it's
exciting.
So in the last few minutes, Iwant you to tell us a little bit
about light and sound and howyou use those to help people
(42:20):
heal.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
I really think this is the future of medicine.
We are wired to communicateinternally with light and sound.
We have endogenous chromophoresand we have endogenous ways
that we communicate with soundthat we receive and that sound
and light that we generate inthe body.
And we know that our cells, ourmitochondria, our microtubulin
(42:44):
and our fascia communicate.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
They're the kind of the highway.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
We communicate these different kind of vibrations
that our DNA also emitsbiophotons.
So our DNA, or mitochondria,emit biophotons that get sent
through the microtubulin and thefascia, or we probably mean
matrix in some circles, and thatour.
DNA and our every kind of, everypart of our body, actually a
(43:10):
vibratory sound.
So this is called soundpsychology.
So when we look at sound fromthe sound, the sound either can
be singing, a coherent, harmon,beautiful sound that breaks the
pattern, that's going to be tohear it, so be regulated in
power, or that's going to betold here and have the cell be
regulated in health, or it'sgoing to be distorted.
Right, it's going to bedifferent from screeching and
(43:32):
it's going to be diseased orwe'll hear cramping.
Sounds like he essentially wasthe guy who discovered this, and
cancer cells have thescreeching sound and healthy
cells have the heart sound.
So that alone is fascinating,right.
And then we've also studied thefascial sounds.
I've read papers about that.
(43:54):
And then, essentially, ourmitochondria receives light.
So we generate and we receive.
There's this kind of highway ofcommunication in the body and
this is the work of, also, fritzHalbert Popp.
So, okay, we talked about sound.
You're either coherent ordecoherent or dissonant.
Not coherent, not part of thewhole, or not synchronized, not
aligned, not integrated, right.
(44:16):
Or there is this idea of FritzHalbert Popp who talks about
coherent biophoton emissions.
Basically, a laser is acoherent light emission
emissions.
Basically, a laser is acoherent light emission.
We have that in our cells.
So when we have in the cell,like this Goldilocks amount of
light, this coherent amount oflight emission, that's a
summation of the DNA that'sgetting carried from the
(44:37):
microtubulin to the mitochondria, creating energy, that's
producing bio photons, that'sgetting transported and emitted
outside of the cell, that'sintegrated within the cell, that
it could either be anillumination of coherent light
that's serving as a signalingand communication, or it is
dissonant and decoherent andthat's going to be
disease-promoting.
(44:57):
Or it could be too much lightand that could be also a sign of
disease.
That's what he found.
So we still have a lot todiscover, clearly, but these are
really amazing pioneers thathave gotten us on this path
about how we can contemplate.
We also have this beautifulwater matrix within our body
that also is a medium for thesequantum particles that traverse
(45:21):
within the body.
And then this idea of coherenceI said within the body and then
this idea of coherence I said so.
I feel like part of our job isto help the body achieve this
coherence right and this personto be in coherence with their
higher self.
And I think there's a lot ofthings that distort us from our
natural coherence, and that'swhat we talked about a lot in
(45:42):
this podcast.
And when people are really sick, they have a hard time
generating their own coherencethrough meditation, and so we
add coherent information totheir body through group prayer
or group intention, throughlight, through sound and
reminding them to rememberthemselves.
So, whether you're gettingcoherent sounds on YouTube, or
(46:03):
you're doing a sound bath inperson, or doing the AO inner
voice, or you're doing mantrasor tones, sound is everywhere.
What's available?
Find sound that makes you feelgood, and that's usually a sign
you're in coherence.
The sun is always giving uscoherence with light.
There is the full spectrum oflight emitted from the sun that
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our body uses in all sorts ofways, so we all have access to
that.
And then we use lasers in ouroffice to help remind the body
of coherent light and to getcoherent light traversing
through the networks in the bodyso it can help to communicate
on a cellular level for morehealth in the body.
We use the sound of soul, onwhich Kelly gave us an
(46:50):
introduction to Erasmus, and wecan remind people of their own
inner music from their heart,and that is profoundly
regulatory for us.
So again, the list is endlessand the possibilities are
endless in this field, and we'rejust getting started.
I feel like I know a drop ofinformation in this realm and
(47:14):
I'm very excited.
I think in this 20 years ofparadigm shift, we're going to
really get this elegant path tohealing that we all seek for.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
I think it's so exciting with my introduction of
laser and now red light that'severybody's heard of red light
therapy and near infrared right,that whole industry has
exploded.
But, as you said, there's greenlight, there's yellow light,
there's blue light, there'sother lights that kind of do
other things and we don't havethe time to get to it now.
But these are the technologiesthat are really developing and
cool, you can even put lightintravenously.
(47:45):
Wow, that sounds crazy, butagain, every cell kind of
communicates with light.
This is one of the reasons whyhaving sunlight every day is so
important, because in that fullspectrum you are getting all
those different colors and theyall affect us differently.
And so important.
Why do we get seasonaldepression?
Right, when we have lesssunlight it does.
It affects all of us profoundly.
(48:06):
And what's so great is light isnon-invasive but it doesn't
hurt.
So when we can harness thepower of these, same with sound,
right, anybody can listen tosound.
I'm a big fan of Qigong and alot of those therapies we're
using the sounds.
Every organ has a specificsound.
So when you're using, I noticedsometimes that at work I just
(48:26):
had an interview about we'retalking about breath work I'm
over-breathing at work, I'mstressed out and I sighing a lot
and I'm always given that heartsound.
I'm like that's the heart itneeds, like a release of all
this other people's energy I'vebeen absorbing all day.
Right, or that.
The sound is the liver, right,and how do we calm children?
Right, with that shh sound,because liver is where we get a
(48:48):
lot of irritability right andanxiety, all that kind of stuff.
So it's just fascinating.
Again, these things have beenaround for plenty, practically
right, all these kinds of thingsand it's accessible.
I know we could, again go onand on and I appreciate all your
time this morning.
So maybe share, like how we canget in touch with you, tell us
about your podcast, how we can,because it's my go-to and I want
to learn all sorts of goodthings.
(49:08):
I talked, I texted Christinethe other day.
I said I loved that lastepisode.
I'm going to go get that.
That breast imaging that youtalked about, that's so cool,
thank you so much, rachel.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
I just I love learning like you do, and I just
am a gracious kind of learnerand I love to allow people to
share their knowledge on myplatform and I learn and I bring
it into my practice right away.
So we're trying to increasethat deep back loop of getting
the knowledge and integrating itright away.
You can find me at the Spectrumof Health or Dr Christine
(49:38):
Schaffner.
My clinic is called ImmunenceHealth, which means the divine
within, and so we are based inSeattle, but we do telemedicine,
uh worldwide, and um hebronclinton and I in uh 2025 are
going to have a master class umon this topic uh, quantum
physics and this new medicine.
(49:58):
So I hope that you all enjoythat.
And yeah, rachel, thank you somuch for having me.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
I love your work, I love your motion and I just so
enjoyed being with you, so thankyou Well, I couldn't do it with
great collaborators without you, and you also have some great
skin products and lymph stuff,so I'm sure there's linked all
that good stuff the apothecaryright with the eye.
So please check out all of DrChristine's work.
(50:24):
I don't know how she fits itall in in a day, but people say
the same to me too, but whenyou're passionate about
something, there's always,there's always time for that.
Again, thank you so much fortaking time out of your very
busy schedule and I just adoreyou and I am so excited to call
you my friend and colleague andI hope you have a fabulous day,
everybody.
I hope you really enjoyed thisepisode and please check out her
(50:45):
podcast, her website, all thegreat stuff that Dr Christine is
doing.
She's on that cutting edge ofall this wonderful therapy that
really gets to the root andreally helps with feelings.
Have a wonderful day, everybody, and we'll see you on the next
one.
Welcome everybody to another episode of the Root of
the Matter.
I am your host, Dr RachelCarver, and today I am over the
moon with one of people who Iconsider to be one of my mentors
, and when I'm looking to learnsomething new, I'm always on her
podcast, the Spectrum of Health, Dr Christine Chaffner.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
(00:20):
She's an incredibly busy lady,so this is a big honor for all
of us to have her with us today.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Thank you, Rachel.
It's an honor to be here and Ijust love to see everything that
you've done and how you'veexpanded your vision for your
really your vocation, and it'sjust been awesome to see you
grow as well.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I think I first knew of you back in 2020 when I
started listening to a lot ofsummits, and I think it was your
conversation.
You back in 2020 when I startedlistening to a lot of summits,
and I think it was yourconversation with Jay Davidson
where I found about Cellcor andthen we actually got to meet at
Cellcor's ECO.
So we've been seeing each other.
Now we go yearly and eventhough maybe we only see each
(01:01):
other once a year, I just feellike we have a connection.
You've helped me with so muchin you know not just you know my
business, but my life andcareer and health stuff.
She may be younger than me guys, but she's really smart and I
consider her a mentor.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
You're reverse aging, because I think we're the same.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Let's hope so.
Let's hope so.
But Christina and I also, weshare a kind of a love for
knowledge and really wanting tocreate awareness about.
We all want our patients to betheir own best doctors.
We want to partner with ourpatients and we want to expose
them to all these differentavenues of health that exist
today.
We live in one aspect we livein a world that's so toxic and
(01:39):
really disease care conventionalnutrition but on the upside
there's so many I really likethe word the upside there's so
many really like the wordalternative, but there are so
many other great optimizingtherapies that are out there
that are available to us and Ihad a hard time trying to think
about what we were going to talkabout, because we could talk
for five hours because DrChristine knows so much.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I love it.
I know that we're going to havefun.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Let's maybe start with.
I know I remember one of thefirst times I heard you talk you
talked about in yournaturopathic training.
You were actually introduced tothe math and you were taught
about that, which is rare inconventional and even sometimes
naturopathic training.
So tell us a little bit aboutyour first kind of introduction
to the oral systemic connectionand maybe how you incorporate
(02:26):
that into maybe a new patientexam or an intake.
How does that factor into adiagnosis?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I had the conflict whether I would do the
traditional path that was laidbefore me by my family and check
off all the accolades thatwe're all striving for a young
age, or take a leap of faith tobecome a naturopathic doctor.
And so that journey really ledme to Bastyr University where I
(02:54):
got my foundational training andI remember at one of the brown
bag lunches we had and I reallyhad in my heart that I didn't
want to just do the surface kindof medicine.
I really wanted to go deep andget people answers to really
resolve these issues.
Because at the end of the day,I think why you and I are so
passionate and we share this, Ithink shared a value that you
(03:18):
don't have your life if youdon't have your health.
I've seen people from alldifferent bank account levels,
all different places in theirlife and health is the great
equalizer.
It is something that when youare in pain or you're in a state
of disease, it takes you out ofyour, I think, purpose on some
level and puts you into yourroot and survival.
(03:40):
And while that could be part ofyour healing journey and part
of your life purpose, manypeople unfortunately stay in
that state and don't have theanswers or the framework or the
narrative that they can heal andthat their body is wise and
intelligent and divine.
Whole field of medicine that, Ithink, is only going to get
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even more awareness, especiallyover this next 20 years, that is
available to them and I justwanted to plant that seed.
And then, really, I went to thisbrown bag lunch and the Dr
Louisa Williams, who is one ofthe mentors of mine.
She wrote a beautiful book,radical Medicine, and it had
just come out and so she askedus in the brown bag lunch she
said what is the first thing youdo with a patient and
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everyone's?
Take them off gluten, do allthe food allergy testing, so gut
focus, which is important.
But she said you look in theirmouth and you look and you do a
thorough dental history becausedisease starts in the mouth.
From her perspective and Ireally do think that while
conventional dentists are lovelypeople, unfortunately they're
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trained in a very archaic systemand a very disease promoting
systems she really created thisbeautiful body of work and
distilled it in radical medicineand I used to carry that book
around me.
It was big, it was before theKindle was out and wherever I
would go it was just likeosmosis.
I just knew I wanted to knoweverything in that book and my
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study and post-vast year.
Really I had other mentors thattaught me bioregulatory
medicine.
And again, regulation issomething that I think we forget
often.
Even in naturopathic medicineor functional medicine or many
even root cause medicines, weforget to just start from that
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beginning point and that kind oflaying the playing field.
No matter how complex anillness is, we still go back to
our roots and we trust that thebody has this self-regulatory
capacity.
And regulation, I think, is notonly the autonomic nervous
system but I believe it's alsothe fascia, and so they work
together and I think there aretwo sides of a coin of this
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regulatory tissue and when weget into these disease states
there's something that isinterfering or blocking or not
allowing the self-regulatorycapacity to be really liberated
in these tissues.
So when you think about themouth, I do always I ask my new
patients for a gundle history,from basic to complex, depending
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, but just a basic screening, aswould be history or current
amalgam fillings, root canals orany teeth extractions where
there could be possibly acavitation.
There could be also otherquestions.
If they still have a currentpermanent retainer, do they have
braces?
What is their job?
What's their teeth grinding?
What's their occlusion?
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Do they have sleep apnea?
There's many other complexities, but the screening is those
three questions.
Hey, do you have amalgamscurrently or ever have them?
Do you have root canals?
Or have you had your wisdomteeth extracted or any other
teeth extracted that potentiallymight have healed not healed as
properly?
So we dive into that and whyall of those things are really
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important.
As many of your audience knows,of course, each tooth not only
is really in touch with thecirculatory system that can go
systemic even conventionaldentists and doctors know that
anybody who has an infection intheir mouth can affect their
heart or systemic.
But we don't put it togetherwhen we're thinking of a chronic
illness, unfortunately still inmedicine.
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And so we know that there'sthat systemic relationship with
circulation.
And then I know you educateabout the meridian system.
So each tooth sits on ameridian which can affect that
organ system and be either acause or a correlation with that
system being ill.
But I also think if you havetoxicity or biotoxins or
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microbes, there are thesehighways in the body we don't
often think about and they canmigrate through not only the
circulatory system but thelymphatic network that is all
throughout the body that also istalking to and communicating
with the nervous system.
So if you get these microbes orthese toxicants in the
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lymphatics they can migrate intothe nerves and some of the
nerves actually absorb theselipophilic toxicants that can
affect actually nerve functionor communication.
We also can get these biotoxinsor we can get these different
toxicant amalgam filling relatedmetals that can be inhaled and
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they can basically bathe thetonsils.
They can bathe the whole bulgeor gut-associated lymphatic
tissue or even our costallymphatic tissue and the mucosal
lymphatic tissue and themucosal membranes in our sinuses
.
And then I've learned throughdentists and biological or
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bioregulatory medicine that someof these toxicants actually,
through what we call retrogradeaxonal transport, can be carried
from the nerves that connect tothe cranial nerves that connect
to the brain and then these arehighways into the brain.
So one of the very commonsymptoms of mercury toxicity is
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neurological symptoms.
So people can have dementia toinsomnia, to anxiety, depression
, brain fog or anything inbetween of how to prevent it,
anything in between of how womenfind them.
So I feel like this is old newsthat still has so much more
awareness to share with thispopulation because all of the
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baby numbers who are getting oldright now or are going through
the aging process.
They have those conventionalgenital practices that are still
unfortunately happening, butless especially with the amount
of disease.
So that's a long that's a longtime.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
It's fabulous, you know.
Interesting because there'sbeen a lot of research lately
showing how.
There was an article I readrecently showing how that
Porphymonis gingivalis, which isone of those common oral
bacteria that's considered a badguy or red complex that can
activate the microglia in thebrain, which is the microglia is
what produces those plaqueswhich a lot of Alzheimer's meds
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have been trying to target that.
But now we understand thatthose plaques are actually a
protective mechanism for theinsults of these bacteria and
the bacterial toxins.
That's pretty damning andpretty important why we need to
take care of the mouth.
I always say I'm so fortunate tobe a dentist because I have
such an accessible area to workon.
I'm not trying to work on thebrain or in the arteries, I
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shouldn't say easy but comparedto all the other specialties in
medicine, I have good access tobe able to rid the body of
toxins and infections.
I always in all of my lecturesshow that the picture of all the
nerves and the lymph and howthey're all intimately connected
right, as you've said, like 20%of our lymphs in our head and
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neck, right and we're now wejust recently what's been about,
not even 10 years right, wherewe learned about the glymphatics
and how, if we're not sleepingwell, right.
So if we have sleep apnea orany issues there, we're not
draining the brain for all thosetoxins that could be there.
Do you know?
So trigeminal neuralgia is oneof those tricky things that
people are like we don't knowwhat to do about it.
Do you think there's aninfectious component, perhaps
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from the mouth, that causes that?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Unfortunately, I've seen people go through
trigeminal neuralgia, like I'msure you have, and it's one of
the worst pains.
They talk about it as like icepick pain or this really
debilitating pain that againtakes them out of life.
They can't sleep, they can'tfunction, they have to rely on
pain medication and there's nota lot of answers.
I'm hoping in our lifetime,rachel, in my lifetime, that we
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can really get closerinformation to actually figure
out what's living in that nervetissue.
However, I do believe throughI've seen it actually firsthand.
I'm thinking of a patient inparticular.
When I saw her at first, shehad many amalgam fillings and
many root canals and through ourcombined treatment with myself
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and a great dentist in town, shewent through a removal of root
canals and removal of heramalgams and through chelation I
saw her trigeminal neuralgia goaway Again.
It's not just one thing, but Ido believe that if you have
amalgams, mercury is probablythe first ascender to layer
terrain where there can be hosts.
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It can be a more hospitablehost to either Lyme spirochetes
or other spirochetes that areoften in the mouth, also viruses
.
So there's a lot of headacheviruses that can live in the
nerves that get activated whenthe immune system is not able to
keep up with keeping thoseviruses dormant, so Lyme viruses
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.
I think other infections couldbe secondary, creating
inflammation, but I believe theheavy metals, plus spirochetes
and viruses, are probably thebiggest offenders.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And now both of us really are big proponents of the
neural therapy, and that's whenI'd see the patient.
My sister was probably one ofthe first I saw with the
trigeminal neuralgia.
She was like it's this tooth?
She kept pointing the tooth andI was like it's the virgin
tooth.
It's never had a filling, likenothing wrong with the tooth.
So I was like, oh, I'm just.
At that time I was like ozonedoes everything.
It's magic, you know.
And so I was like well, let mejust give you some ozone up
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there, the pain down a littlebit.
Do you think?
Talk to us a little bit aboutwhat neural therapy is, why it
can be helpful in certainsituations?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Neural therapy is one of the most powerful tools in
my toolkit that I use.
I know many of us gravitate todifferent therapeutics.
There's many paths around, butneural therapy is about over a
hundred year old technique thatdeveloped in Europe,
specifically Germany, and they,these two brothers, actually
were finding that when they wentto the root cause of a
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pathology inducing syndrome thatif they basically use the
anesthetic and created alessening in pain or
inflammation in either thatnerve or that tooth or that area
of the body, the whole bodyrelaxed and that symptoms would
go away.
So what developed out of thatis this use of procaine.
So I know dentists are veryfamiliar with Novocaine or
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procaine, but we compounded.
It's preservative free, so it'sgoing to be a cleaner form than
the average dentist use.
It's very readily broken downin the body and to basically
help healthy metabolites thebody can quickly get rid of but
has a short half-life, and so Ihave very sensitive patients and
most of my patients I actuallyknock on what I've seen even my
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most sensitive patients tolerateneurotherapy.
They might only be able totolerate a little bit in the
beginning and then, as we gothrough the healing journey and
they become less sensitive overtime we can do more neurotherapy
.
So neurotherapy can be injectedinto ganglia, it can be injected
into segmental patterns or scartissue.
(15:05):
So when we go back to thosetissues of regulation, we think
about the autonomic nervoussystem and the fascia.
So I'll start with scar tissue,because that's one of the
things that levels the playingfield when we inject the scars.
So scars can be areas of injuryfrom a surgery, from a trauma,
from a mole removal, what haveyou, and the body is so
intelligent that it heals thatarea, but it doesn't heal it in
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the same way that the originalfascial fabric looks.
So it's more denser, it's moreirregular, it's going to be like
a traffic jam in that tissue,locally and systemically,
because the whole system worksand communicates as a whole
integrated system.
And so when there is acompartmentalization or
stagnation in the tissue, thatcan affect the whole system.
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And in that scar Louisa Williamssays it's an island of
turbulence, meaning this trafficjam can be a net for toxicants'
trauma through the facialmemory and pathogens, as many
co-infections or otherself-adherence love the
connective tissue.
That's where it loves to hide,that's where cellular music is
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more connected to CO.
And so when we inject the scar,we're not only injecting a
length of the scar but we'realso injecting underneath the
scar to bring back fluidity, tohelp restore cellular voltage,
to increase circulation, to backvery much in the area and to
create less stimulation in thattissue.
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So often what people feel islike a lightening of the
symptoms.
If there was a good traumaenvironment they can release
that trauma from their tissuesand then just get the crinkle
and the saran wrap right.
There's kind of this area orthis crinkle that kind of starts
to move over the hole.
There's not tension on the restof the saran wrap.
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I see other symptoms improve,other pain patterns or other
normal symptoms improve.
And the nerve fibers arecommunicating in the fossa, so
it's happening in theenvironment, in the flacid, is
important for the nerve fibersto send the brain, to send them
into the surrounding tissue.
So that's one kind of reallyfun, not sweet one.
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And when I do a lot ofsegmental patterns I've been
training them more oncollections.
But I just work where I'm at.
I feel like I can do a lot withsegmental patterning, with the
principles of interstitial aswell.
Segmental patterning can be inareas around either the brain,
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sinuses, the lymph, the tonsils,the thyroid, the lung, the
liver, the spleen, the smallintestine, the kidneys and
really anywhere that there is anorgan and or a tissue that is
in pain and or in pathology.
And so what segmentalpatterning is?
We inject in the surface of theskin and we're working with
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nerve communication.
So we're working with thecutaneal nerves, are talking to
the deeper nerves that aretalking to the capillaries that
can increase the flow of bloodto an organ.
So that is one area of why itworks so well.
I think there's another reasonthat we'll probably learn more
about in our lifetime is thatthe essentially the, the fluid
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of the procaine also goes into anewly discovered organ.
We're talking about two newlydiscovered organs in the last 10
years, something that's calledthe interstitium.
So under the skin, when we learnderm and dermatology and our
histology classes, we learn that, okay, we have seven layers of
dermis.
Underneath the seven layers ofthe skin is the stacks of
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collagen and then there's fatand other lymphatic tissues and
so on.
However, what we've learned inthose stacks of collagen because
we're looking at dead tissue,not alive tissue, and that's
what we didn't realize, thelymphatic system, until we could
visualize the alive brain thatin that stacked of collagen,
stacks of collagen, they'reactually these vacuoles of fluid
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.
And so what happens is thatwhen we go into the skin, before
we even get to the blood supplyor before those nerves get to
the capillaries, we get intothose fluid vacuoles that can
actually deliver through thiswhole body-wide network of the
interstitium that actuallycommunicates with the limb.
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I think there is some movementof fluid that gets trapped or
stuck in the interstitium whenpeople are sick, and so I think
the propane is also not onlyopening up blood flow to the
liver or the kidneys so it canfunction better and move energy
in that organ system, but Ithink we're also moving the
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interstitium and alleviatingstagnation in the interstitium,
and that's why I think peoplefeel good as well.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, I agree with you.
It's one of my favorite thingsthat I ever learned, because the
therapy is so profound.
It's absolutely amazing howpeople feel so much better so
quickly with, like, very like,really no side effects, no
contraindications, like it'sjust absolutely incredible
patients who have been, you know, on steroids and all these
things to try to get rid of thispain.
(20:27):
And then you get on my head,you know, one CC of some
procaine.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I call it acupuncture and steroids.
I just I love acupuncture and Igo to it regularly, but
especially for the trigeminalnerve.
You can do a sinus pattern tohelp alleviate pain in the
trigeminal nerve, where you'redoing a bunch of acupuncture
points that follow thetrigeminal nerve.
You can do this phenopalatineganglion or the odic ganglion or
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even the tonsils or just thelymphatics or the vagus nerve.
I get a lot of results withjust the sinus pattern and maybe
the tonsils to help alleviatepain in the head.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, it's great.
I was just going to circle backto the tonsils, because that's
a big one, you know.
We see it is not the most funinjection to get, but it's
pretty profound what I have apatient who's been coming to me
just for that and she, the poorthing, is going through so much.
She's had been labeled withchronic fatigue and fibromyalgia
and all those syndromes that wedon't really know what's wrong
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with you and that's having suchan effect on her skin, even
right, she's breaking out andall these things.
She's have that long haulersyndrome type of thing.
That's what she claims Likeever since the shot she's just
never been seen.
And it's amazing how thetonsils are a major area of
immune tissue, right, and lymphtissue and, like you said,
that's all connected to thewhole body and so it's
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fascinating when you can drainthat.
And the cool thing about neuraltherapy again, it's not like a
steroid, right?
We're not trying to stop abody's reaction, we are
stimulating the body should dowhat it's meant to do, right?
This is that idea.
What we mean by thisbioregulatory is we are trying
to give the body a hands up andsay, hey, remember how to do
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this.
We need a little supportbecause it's being so bogged
down by inflammation orinfection or toxins, whatever it
is, and that's why there arereally no side effects and
that's why most people cantolerate it, because, again,
we're stimulating the body to dowhat it's supposed to do by
basically injecting energy.
Both you and I are big energypeople, big believers in the
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quantum and how all thisinteracts, and that it's really
important to understand thatit's this energy that underlies
the biochemistry.
Conventional medicine doesn't.
It's all about the biochemistry, but what allows that chemistry
to work is the energy behind it.
And when we are sick and wehave pain, I always, when I see
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pain, I'm thinking why isn't theenergy flowing?
And so that's basically likeyou were talking about, with a
scar.
This is an area where energy isinterrupted.
Right, there's an earthquakeand the road suddenly is broken
and now we can't get over thebroken pavement right.
And so the idea of the procaineis to reconnect, improve that
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pavement, make it smooth againso that energy can flow back and
forth, and make sure thatfascia can move and supply all
the nutrients that theunderlying tissues need.
It's amazing.
I think it works great for TMJissues.
There's often so muchinflammation there and I like to
sometimes combine it with somehomeopathics to help the lymph
drain a little bit more.
But it seems once you reducethat inflammation the body can
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heal itself.
But if you've got this chronicinflammation the body is just
always on high alert and we haveproblems and it's hard to get
better when you're just in thatconstant state of inflammation.
So I'm a big fan of the neuraltherapy.
I really like wish more peoplewould understand it.
We teach more about it.
I think that will happen.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I think we will.
Yeah, I think it's their time.
We have wonderful colleagues,dr Anne Hell and her partner Dr
Alana.
Yeah, I had Anne on the podcast, so she told me we did one
whole podcast solely aboutneural therapy, but I want to
get your perspective because Iknow you've been doing it for so
long.
Yeah, I love her, I love itPassing the torch.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, exactly, we have this great network of
people who know all thesewonderful things.
So I just had an endodontist onwho was really interesting,
because in the biologic world,bioregulator, we see a lot of
things where, oh, root canal,they're bad, and her comment is
if it's done, we can try to atleast bias time of the teeth,
and I think it's an importantavenue.
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But most of the time, as wediscussed that, most people who
are doing these root canalsaren't properly trained, they're
not using the technology, we'renot fully cleaning this out,
and that's what leads toresidual infection and now most
of the nerve is removed sopeople don't feel anything but
like in your situation, that'sone of the first things you ask
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are there root canals?
So tell us a little bit about,as a medical, naturopathic
doctor, when you're looking atoverall health, because she
couldn't really answer thequestion I was asking how do you
see this related to overallhealth?
And she was that's not.
She doesn't know.
As the medical doctor, what areyou seeing sometimes?
That maybe a poorly done,improperly cleaned root canal
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how does that affect?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, no, and I am so glad you're talking about this
and ultimately root canals aredead teeth.
I'm really open.
I know it's becoming morepopular to do like a healthy
root canal, which I think canbuy people time.
That's all you know kind ofwhat we're trying to do, Cause
it's a lot to consider to removea tooth, especially depending
on where it is, what else isgoing on in the mouth, who they
have locally to do a good job,to extract the tooth and think
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of a long-term plan, and thepain is real, Like when people
are going through a dying tooth.
There can be like a reallysevere pain.
Ultimately, I do stand by myknowledge and I'm always happy
to be swayed differently astechnology gets better that a
root canal is a dead tooth andwe don't ideally keep dead
matter in our mouth because whatin traditional?
(26:08):
We'll just talk traditional.
Then obviously you have thiswonderful endodontist who's
doing?
it a different way.
Often in a traditional rootcanal there's a dying tooth.
They take out the nerve, theystuff non-biocompatible material
often metals and differentresins that are not
biocompatible and seal off thetooth no ozone, no
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antimicrobials and they say, ok,we took that dead tooth and we
sterilized it in a way that it'sgoing to be fine.
And there are many people whohave debunked that thought and
from my just observation I amjust clinically observing people
Root canals are a chronicpoisoning of the body.
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So it's basically a chronicpoisoning of the toxicity from
what's inside the tooth.
Again, it's, over time, gettingin the circulation, it's
getting into the lymph, it'sgetting into the nerves.
We're inhaling it, we'reaffecting our sinuses and our
tonsils, we're affecting our gut.
Many chronic SIBO issues orchronic gut issues begin in the
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mouth, in the sinuses, in thetonsils.
So essentially, why whathappens to that root canal?
Over time, what I learned isthat the root canal can
basically start producingmercaptans and bioethers.
That are biotoxins that take upa lot of our sulfur-containing
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mechanisms or pathways toessentially detoxify.
And when we deplete the body ofsulfur we cannot basically
remove other toxicants as well.
A lot of our detox agents arewhat we call
sulfhydryl-affinitive, bindingeither metals or these biotoxins
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to get out of the body.
One of the things we do to helpmitigate root canals is give
the body flooded with MSM.
Some people say they have asulfur sensitivity.
We have sulfur in every cell ofour body and, yes, I think
there are people who don'tprocess sulfite or sulfates well
, but I don't think we trulyhave an allergy.
That means I think there's abig toxicity component.
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There's this sulfur depletionin the body, there's the
thioethers and the mercaptansand then they found over time
that bacteria okay, this is nota serotooth, this is an
environment.
We always think that things arenicely compartmentalized in the
body.
Here's the nervous system,here's the lymphatic system,
here's the circulatory system,here's another tooth.
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But what's happening in thisroot canal, the other tooth, if
they're having any issues, anygingivitis, any periodontal
disease, any oral kind ofimbalances of microbes?
You look at the oral health allthe time.
Many of us have just imbalancein our microbes in our teeth and
that can over time migrate andagain, that doesn't have a
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healthy living environment tohelp clear and change that over
time.
So those microbes can getembedded in that dentin and then
there can be like a littlethriving community of microbes
that the body can't resolve, andthen again that can be
chronically poisoning lymphnodes, nerves, the gut, the
mucosal surfaces of the body.
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And these are the people who doeverything to maintain their
health.
They do all the lymphatic work,they do every supplement and
they don't go far.
And that's how we look at theseinterference fields, right, we
look at these things that areinterfering with our body's
ability to self-regulate.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah and I have this theory because I'm big in the
energy world too that okay,because it's dead right, there's
no more blood supply thereanymore.
That I almost feel like, whenwe think about frequency, right,
everything in life is energy,right, and we are just dense
energy that looks like matter,right, but we're really just
energy.
So I'd say, in that area wherethere's less blood supply, the
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frequency of that terrain and itcan almost attract those
spirochetes and fungus andwhatever it is, they can go live
there happily because there'sno more blood supply, right.
So the immune systems can'treally see them and deal with it
, and so it's almost like theymigrate to an area of this low
frequency and can sit and createproblems.
That's why I like things likeozone and neural therapy,
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because I'm like let's putenergy in it.
The more energy, the healthierwe are.
A lot of us who are chronicallyill.
Our overall body energy is verytight because all of us could
be sick, but those of us who areable to produce more energy
have more energy.
Even if we eat a fungus or wehave parasites, if our energy
level is high enough, our bodycan regulate itself and remove
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those toxins.
It's when we get so bogged downthat our energy, in my opinion,
that our energy is so low thatwe're just in this chronic state
of infection, right?
So that's why I'm alwaysthinking how do I yes, I can try
to give you antimicrobial thisand do this and that, but how do
I also then get the energy highenough so it doesn't come back
right?
How do we get you out of thatchronic state?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, and that's where Dr Tennant right.
He wrote a book Healing isVoltage, and I got to see him
before I became a naturopath atUVA.
He was at our complementary andalternative medicine class in
the School of Nursing.
That was run by a naturopathicdoctor in like 2002.
And he told us about his storyof chronic illness.
(31:37):
And he was in bed for 13 yearsbecause he got viruses in his
eyes during the first LASIKsurgery surgeries and that went
to his brain.
And he was in bed for 13 yearsbecause he got viruses in his
eyes during the first LASIKsurgery surgeries and that went
to his brain and so he had thiskind of myalgic encephalitis
that he was bedbound.
Again, here's this highlyfunctioning, amazing person
bedbound by this illness and hetried everything and he finally
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put it together that he foundthe SCANAR equipment that again
became the tenant biomodulatorin his community, that it was
based on charge and I will neverforget that conversation that
he said.
He said that my immune systemcould not see the charge of the
bugs and so the SCANAR reminded.
Like there's when we talk aboutfrequency.
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Here we are in the age ofAquarius.
Now Pluto's in Aquarius as wespeak.
So this is going to be a 20year paradigm shift where we're
going to be talking aboutfrequency, electromagnetism,
light, sound, vibration,interconnection, that we're
around this.
We're all interconnected withthis field of energy and the
more we observe it andparticipate in it, the more we
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can co-create with it.
And when we think about thequantum piece of our terrain or
the quantum terrain, we comefrom an energy field.
Not only do we emanate andgenerate and have this
bidirectional communication fromthe field, but we come from a
field of energy and really wherewe both contemplate, I know,
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are these people, are thesedifferent pioneers?
Dispenza says to change matterwith matter takes time, but when
you change the field you changematter.
And so when we can change thesehigh level distortion, the
distorted patterns in the fieldsof our communication, that we
can have an easier time changingthe biochemistry.
So what does that mean?
(33:22):
I think distorted patterns inthe field could be ancestral
trauma.
I think they can be justcurrent life trauma.
I think it could be anythingthat blocks us from our higher
self or higher knowing.
So that could be the toxicity,the pathogens.
Life, as you said, iseverything, has a signature,
frequency and also a basicallysignature, and vibrations
(33:46):
actually create patterns andmediums like water or other
mediums, and these vibrationscreate either patterns that are
coherent or distorted, so thattop level information of either
a coherent pattern or distortedpattern will tell ourselves
either to create healthymitochondria, create healthy
(34:07):
energy, create healthyepigenetic translation, or it's
going to create distorted ordysregulated patterns that are
not promoting our highestpotential but are going to be
patterns that perpetuate illnessin our ancestry or in our
lineage.
It's esoteric to a lot of people, but we're beginning to talk
(34:27):
about these things with verytangible science.
In my downtime, I read quantumphysics papers and I try to
educate and do different eventsaround this, because there is so
much body of work around this.
It's just up to us, I think, asclinicians, to educate and also
integrate.
Okay, we still live in a 3Dbody.
(34:48):
We definitely have thisexperience as being human, but
how can we expand upon and howcan we rewrite all of our
stories and our journeys so thatwe can actually change our
epigenetic environment?
And I think, ultimately, all ofour cells are not only possible
(35:09):
this is a possibility for all ofus but there's also.
We're all interconnected.
Whether we believe it or observeit or want to look at that or
not.
There is a part of us and everyatom of our cell that is
connected to this greater fieldof energy.
So it's just my mind just goesin all these different
directions with this and I'mtrying to create a narrative and
(35:31):
a model for my own knowledgebase so that I can bring it to
more people in my community, sowe can just keep on refining it
and finding tools and ultimatelyit's going to create better
results.
So that's why we're allmotivated to do this.
Who wouldn't want to practicewhere we just see people for a
year, rather in chronic illnessI have lifelong patients like
(35:52):
that are just.
These are long-termrelationships, not because they
don't get better in a certainperiod of time, but because life
is so stressful and if we don'tmaintain our health with all
these tools, we can get knockeddown Right.
And so, yeah, it's just a, it'sa passion of both of ours and I
think we're both really in thisstate of contemplation, but I
know in my heart that we're inthe midst of creating this new
(36:14):
model of medicine.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I totally agree and we've talked to a bunch of times
on the podcast too about this,the emotional, those kinds of
traumas.
And I see, the longer Ipractice now I have now patients
are calling because I'm outthere and about and patients
coming from far away will doZoom consults and they'll tell
me the story.
They've been to a millionpeople, right, you have the same
patients and the story is solong and they've done everything
(36:40):
right In quotes.
And my first question is alwayswhat are the, what are the
stresses in your life?
What is the emotional component?
Because to me, you can do allthe right things, right, but if
you're in that discoherence orwhatever, you can put all the
vitamins and supplements and allthe exercise and stuff in there
, but until we get thatcoherence we can't get past the
(37:00):
finish line.
Basically, both of us are fansof the, the nest health, but
until we get that coherence wecan't get past the finish line.
Basically, both of us are fansof the Nest Health system
because one of the ways again,the technology is exploding.
I cannot wait for their littlenew device to come out, that one
, the wearable.
That sounds amazing.
I keep calling them like whenis it coming?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
out.
I'm getting all that out tomarket.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, this is one way .
How do we measure right?
So let's say, okay, yes, maybethere are all these emotional
traumas or maybe, and sometimeseven maybe you had a parasite 10
years ago and maybe thatphysical parasite's not in there
, but there can still be thatenergetic component in the train
that's creating that.
That.
What was the word you use, notthis coherent but yeah, there's
fragmented or whatever, theproblem right and Talk to us a
(37:41):
little bit about what the NessHealth is.
There are other things, like DrTennant's Biomodulator, I think
is very similar to the my Healthand Ness Health.
Those similar technologies camefrom the same thing.
But how do you use that?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, we all get asked like how do we put this
all together?
And at this current time in mylife, I say, when I treat people
and this is not linear but it'slike regulation, drainage,
resonance, coherence andregeneration, and resonance and
coherence are these kinds ofprinciples of.
I use bioresonance tools and Iuse this concept of resonance
(38:18):
when there is a frequency matchbetween two, basically
signatures of frequencies thatcan there can be an exchange of
information, right?
So when we're thinking aboutall of this information all
these chronic Leo people have,and how do we distill it in a 75
minute appointment to this sothat we can actually move them
forward and create momentum intheir life.
(38:39):
And I rely and I think there aregoing to be many more tools out
there in this 20 yearyearperiod but I rely not only on my
clinical pattern recognition,my clinical history, taking my
intuition, but I rely onbioresonance tools that
basically have this not the bodyor stressors in the body that
(39:00):
there is a frequency signature.
So there is basically thescanning of the body by
connecting the body with eitherthe device in person or through
quantum intake or through thevoice that we can basically
detect.
Is there a frequency match thatthis is?
Are you in resonance withyourself?
(39:20):
Are you in resonance withsomething that is distorting
your health?
And then, looking at thepattern, right, it's not
diagnostic, but it gives us awhole screening of where there
could be emotions or meridiansthat are blocked or areas in the
body.
The atlas that is out of balanceand we need to bring a scaling
through an adjustment and I alsouse the AO scan so it can help
(39:42):
us a little bit identify likedifferent microbes that could be
more prioritized.
And so we take all thatinformation and then I talk with
the body and communicate withthe body through muscle testing.
So we're actually just openingourselves up to both of our
intuitions, the greater field ofenergy that we're all
surrounded in, but the intentionto help that person.
And then we're communicatingwith the body to see what brings
(40:05):
healing and ease, what createsa parasympathetic response
versus a stress response.
And then we bring all thisinformation to a treatment plan,
which then that is going to bethe next step on a journey of
unwinding and a nonlinearprocess of healing.
And I really don't know how Iwould practice without these
(40:27):
tools.
I look at lab work all the time,and lab work is helpful.
You can get really good atlooking at the signatures of lab
work and seeing where peoplecould be having issues, but it
is actually doesn't give us thefull story, and that's why
there's so many people who go tothe medical system.
They don't look as sick as theyfeel they go get lab work and
they's why there's so manypeople who go to the medical
system.
They don't look as sick as theyfeel.
They go get lab work andthey're told there's nothing
(40:50):
wrong with them.
And that's where we come intothe picture.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Absolutely, and that's what I love, because so,
with these kind of screeningtools, we're able to see hey,
like you said, there's someresonant issues there and things
like homeopathics.
Now there's so much betweenlight and sound.
There's a million apps outthere.
One of my favorites isMeditative Mind and it has so
many different categories.
Okay, I feel like removingtoxins right now, or I want to
(41:16):
feel abundant, or whatever.
It is all these differentfrequencies and I love.
There's a video somewhere onlinethat shows all these metronomes
maybe like 20 metronomes, rightand they start them all at
different times and with thematter of I don't know what, it
is 30 minutes or whatever theyall start going at the exact
same pace.
And that's the kind of idea ofenergy and that's how
homeopathics and all thesemodalities work is, we put in
(41:39):
the frequency and then all thatfrequency goes through the
terrain, hopefully, and then weall start resonating the same.
Again, these seem weirdconcepts.
This has been around for amillennia.
We're just now trying tountrain.
We're now able to measure thesethings, which is cool, and it's
just going to the pace at whichwe're starting to understand
(41:59):
all this energy is so enormousthat the potentials for really
healing are.
I can't even.
I can't count them, can't evenput it into words because it's
exciting.
So in the last few minutes, Iwant you to tell us a little bit
about light and sound and howyou use those to help people
(42:20):
heal.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
I really think this is the future of medicine.
We are wired to communicateinternally with light and sound.
We have endogenous chromophoresand we have endogenous ways
that we communicate with soundthat we receive and that sound
and light that we generate inthe body.
And we know that our cells, ourmitochondria, our microtubulin
(42:44):
and our fascia communicate.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
They're the kind of the highway.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
We communicate these different kind of vibrations
that our DNA also emitsbiophotons.
So our DNA, or mitochondria,emit biophotons that get sent
through the microtubulin and thefascia, or we probably mean
matrix in some circles, and thatour.
DNA and our every kind of, everypart of our body, actually a
(43:10):
vibratory sound.
So this is called soundpsychology.
So when we look at sound fromthe sound, the sound either can
be singing, a coherent, harmon,beautiful sound that breaks the
pattern, that's going to be tohear it, so be regulated in
power, or that's going to betold here and have the cell be
regulated in health, or it'sgoing to be distorted.
Right, it's going to bedifferent from screeching and
(43:32):
it's going to be diseased orwe'll hear cramping.
Sounds like he essentially wasthe guy who discovered this, and
cancer cells have thescreeching sound and healthy
cells have the heart sound.
So that alone is fascinating,right.
And then we've also studied thefascial sounds.
I've read papers about that.
(43:54):
And then, essentially, ourmitochondria receives light.
So we generate and we receive.
There's this kind of highway ofcommunication in the body and
this is the work of, also, fritzHalbert Popp.
So, okay, we talked about sound.
You're either coherent ordecoherent or dissonant.
Not coherent, not part of thewhole, or not synchronized, not
aligned, not integrated, right.
(44:16):
Or there is this idea of FritzHalbert Popp who talks about
coherent biophoton emissions.
Basically, a laser is acoherent light emission
emissions.
Basically, a laser is acoherent light emission.
We have that in our cells.
So when we have in the cell,like this Goldilocks amount of
light, this coherent amount oflight emission, that's a
summation of the DNA that'sgetting carried from the
(44:37):
microtubulin to the mitochondria, creating energy, that's
producing bio photons, that'sgetting transported and emitted
outside of the cell, that'sintegrated within the cell, that
it could either be anillumination of coherent light
that's serving as a signalingand communication, or it is
dissonant and decoherent andthat's going to be
disease-promoting.
(44:57):
Or it could be too much lightand that could be also a sign of
disease.
That's what he found.
So we still have a lot todiscover, clearly, but these are
really amazing pioneers thathave gotten us on this path
about how we can contemplate.
We also have this beautifulwater matrix within our body
that also is a medium for thesequantum particles that traverse
(45:21):
within the body.
And then this idea of coherenceI said within the body and then
this idea of coherence I said so.
I feel like part of our job isto help the body achieve this
coherence right and this personto be in coherence with their
higher self.
And I think there's a lot ofthings that distort us from our
natural coherence, and that'swhat we talked about a lot in
(45:42):
this podcast.
And when people are really sick, they have a hard time
generating their own coherencethrough meditation, and so we
add coherent information totheir body through group prayer
or group intention, throughlight, through sound and
reminding them to rememberthemselves.
So, whether you're gettingcoherent sounds on YouTube, or
(46:03):
you're doing a sound bath inperson, or doing the AO inner
voice, or you're doing mantrasor tones, sound is everywhere.
What's available?
Find sound that makes you feelgood, and that's usually a sign
you're in coherence.
The sun is always giving uscoherence with light.
There is the full spectrum oflight emitted from the sun that
(46:26):
our body uses in all sorts ofways, so we all have access to
that.
And then we use lasers in ouroffice to help remind the body
of coherent light and to getcoherent light traversing
through the networks in the bodyso it can help to communicate
on a cellular level for morehealth in the body.
We use the sound of soul, onwhich Kelly gave us an
(46:50):
introduction to Erasmus, and wecan remind people of their own
inner music from their heart,and that is profoundly
regulatory for us.
So again, the list is endlessand the possibilities are
endless in this field, and we'rejust getting started.
I feel like I know a drop ofinformation in this realm and
(47:14):
I'm very excited.
I think in this 20 years ofparadigm shift, we're going to
really get this elegant path tohealing that we all seek for.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
I think it's so exciting with my introduction of
laser and now red light that'severybody's heard of red light
therapy and near infrared right,that whole industry has
exploded.
But, as you said, there's greenlight, there's yellow light,
there's blue light, there'sother lights that kind of do
other things and we don't havethe time to get to it now.
But these are the technologiesthat are really developing and
cool, you can even put lightintravenously.
(47:45):
Wow, that sounds crazy, butagain, every cell kind of
communicates with light.
This is one of the reasons whyhaving sunlight every day is so
important, because in that fullspectrum you are getting all
those different colors and theyall affect us differently.
And so important.
Why do we get seasonaldepression?
Right, when we have lesssunlight it does.
It affects all of us profoundly.
(48:06):
And what's so great is light isnon-invasive but it doesn't
hurt.
So when we can harness thepower of these, same with sound,
right, anybody can listen tosound.
I'm a big fan of Qigong and alot of those therapies we're
using the sounds.
Every organ has a specificsound.
So when you're using, I noticedsometimes that at work I just
(48:26):
had an interview about we'retalking about breath work I'm
over-breathing at work, I'mstressed out and I sighing a lot
and I'm always given that heartsound.
I'm like that's the heart itneeds, like a release of all
this other people's energy I'vebeen absorbing all day.
Right, or that.
The sound is the liver, right,and how do we calm children?
Right, with that shh sound,because liver is where we get a
(48:48):
lot of irritability right andanxiety, all that kind of stuff.
So it's just fascinating.
Again, these things have beenaround for plenty, practically
right, all these kinds of thingsand it's accessible.
I know we could, again go onand on and I appreciate all your
time this morning.
So maybe share, like how we canget in touch with you, tell us
about your podcast, how we can,because it's my go-to and I want
to learn all sorts of goodthings.
(49:08):
I talked, I texted Christinethe other day.
I said I loved that lastepisode.
I'm going to go get that.
That breast imaging that youtalked about, that's so cool,
thank you so much, rachel.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
I just I love learning like you do, and I just
am a gracious kind of learnerand I love to allow people to
share their knowledge on myplatform and I learn and I bring
it into my practice right away.
So we're trying to increasethat deep back loop of getting
the knowledge and integrating itright away.
You can find me at the Spectrumof Health or Dr Christine
(49:38):
Schaffner.
My clinic is called ImmunenceHealth, which means the divine
within, and so we are based inSeattle, but we do telemedicine,
uh worldwide, and um hebronclinton and I in uh 2025 are
going to have a master class umon this topic uh, quantum
physics and this new medicine.
(49:58):
So I hope that you all enjoythat.
And yeah, rachel, thank you somuch for having me.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
I love your work, I love your motion and I just so
enjoyed being with you, so thankyou Well, I couldn't do it with
great collaborators without you, and you also have some great
skin products and lymph stuff,so I'm sure there's linked all
that good stuff the apothecaryright with the eye.
So please check out all of DrChristine's work.
(50:24):
I don't know how she fits itall in in a day, but people say
the same to me too, but whenyou're passionate about
something, there's always,there's always time for that.
Again, thank you so much fortaking time out of your very
busy schedule and I just adoreyou and I am so excited to call
you my friend and colleague andI hope you have a fabulous day,
everybody.
I hope you really enjoyed thisepisode and please check out her
(50:45):
podcast, her website, all thegreat stuff that Dr Christine is
doing.
She's on that cutting edge ofall this wonderful therapy that
really gets to the root andreally helps with feelings.
Have a wonderful day, everybody, and we'll see you on the next
one.
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