March 23, 2025 • 38 mins
What happens when traditional counseling meets energy medicine? Katie Kitzing's a Mental Health Therapist, Substance Use Disorder Counselor & emotion/ body code practitioner's transformative journey from drug and alcohol counselor to Certified Emotion and Body Code practitioner reveals the fascinating intersection where trapped emotions manifest as physical symptoms—and how releasing these emotional imprints can lead to profound healing.
Katie shares her personal awakening moment when she discovered her body intuitively knew what was wrong and what it needed to heal. This revelation led her to explore how our bodies store emotional experiences like "big rocks" weighing us down, creating what we commonly call "emotional baggage." Through muscle testing techniques that communicate directly with the body's innate wisdom, Katie accesses information below the conscious level, bringing awareness to patterns that have remained hidden yet influential.
The conversation ventures into remarkable territory when exploring generational trauma—emotional imprints passed down through DNA that can affect everything from our relationship with money to chronic pain patterns. A feeling of unworthiness or scarcity might trace back to an ancestor's experience rather than your own lifetime. Through energy healing, these generational patterns can be identified and released, freeing you from limitations you never consciously created.
Most compelling are the clinical applications: digestive issues linked to emotional associations with food, hip pain connected to family relationships, TMJ disorders related to kidney energy. These patterns demonstrate why conventional treatments often bring only partial relief—they're missing the emotional component that maintains the physical condition. By addressing both nutritional and emotional roots simultaneously, Katie's approach helps clients achieve breakthroughs where other methods have fallen short.
Curious about exploring the emotional roots of your health challenges? Katie works remotely, making this healing work accessible regardless of location. The body-mind connection isn't just metaphorical—it's the frontier where true healing begins.
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Dr. Carver (00:00):
Hello everybody, welcome back to another episode
of the Root of the Matter.
I am your host, dr RachelCarver, and today we are really
fortunate to have one of mycolleagues and one of my good
friends and somebody who helpsme be a better human being.
Katie Kitzing, is here with us.
She has a master's incounseling, is a drug and
alcohol counselor and how I useher as a certified emotion and
(00:23):
body code practitioner.
So, katie, thank you so muchfor getting up so early and
having this conversation andsharing all of your wisdom with
our audience.
Why don't you tell us a littlebit about what brought you into
counseling and how you foundthis emotion code and body code
work?
Katie Kitzing (00:38):
Yes, Thank you so much, Dr Rachel, for having me.
I'm excited to be here.
Yeah, I will say in general Ididn't grow up in the functional
medicine world.
I didn't know much about it, Ijust grew up going to normal MD
doctors, so that wasn't in mybackground at all.
But I got my bachelor's insocial work out in Eastern
(01:00):
Washington University and whileI was in that program I got
certified as a drug and alcoholcounselor.
And when I graduated from thatprogram is where I landed a job
at an inpatient center, atreatment center for youth who
struggled with pretty severeaddictions.
And it was a really hard job,it was really rewarding.
(01:25):
And I just remember thinkingwhen I was working with those
youth wow, I wonder what I cando to understand, like, what
drives these addictions more.
And so I did that for a fewyears before I started moving a
little bit more to an outpatientbasis with adults.
And I remember feeling gosh.
(01:47):
Clients are in these programsfor such a long time.
I wonder what I could be doingto be better at really figuring
out what drives their addictionsand how can they become
recovered from this so they canlive the lives that they're
meant to have.
And at that point I rememberthinking, gosh, I might have to
(02:07):
go back to school and so I canstart to understand the deeper
roots of what's going on inpeople's hearts and what's the
trauma that I'm not able toaddress is just being their drug
and alcohol counselor.
So I went and got my master'sin professional counseling at
Grand Canyon University andthat's what opened up a whole
(02:29):
new world for me.
And when I completed thatprogram in 2018 is when I first
started working at a partialhospitalization program, which
is essentially a day treatmentfor clients who struggle with
more acute issues.
Maybe they have more severeanxiety, depression and maybe
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some suicidal ideation orself-harm, and I was finally
feeling okay, I can get to theroot of the issue here and I can
maybe help these people in adeeper way than I had before.
But I found that even then Iwas observing I'm seeing, okay,
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clients are, they're learningreally great skills and it's
really helping them.
They are on medications, butpeople are only getting just a
little bit better.
Just a little bit better.
Gosh, there's so much more I ammissing here.
I can't quite articulate whatit is, but it just feels like
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there's more that I could beexploring to help people heal.
So that's somewhat of myprofessional background and then
my personal life kind ofconverges with this, which tells
you a little bit more how I gotinto what I do now.
So in about 2019 is when I wasintroduced to nutrition response
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testing or muscle testing and Istumbled into that because I
knew people who were doing itand I was looking for a more
like functional route approachto some of the struggles I was
having, mostly anxiety, feelingchronically stressed, feeling
rushed all the time.
I had historically triedcounseling and I tried a couple
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of psychiatric medications and Ithought I don't feel a whole
lot better and I kind of havethese negative side effects in
medication.
Why don't I try a deeper root,a deeper rooted approach?
And when I was introduced tonutrition response testing and
muscle testing for the firsttime, my brain completely broke.
(04:38):
I was, I could not compute andunderstand that.
The body intuitively knew whatwas going on with me and I just
left thinking my body knowswhat's going on and what the
problem is, and my body knowswhat the solution is.
(05:02):
It knows exactly what it needs.
I was speechless At that point.
I might have had maybe aprofessional crisis, Thinking I
might have to walk away fromeverything I've ever known in
the counseling field, because Ineed to work with the body,
because the body has theseanswers that I just don't know
(05:24):
myself.
And so I sat in that place fora while.
Do I leave my career and pursuesomething with the body like
nutrition response testing?
Thank God it didn't come tothat, because the practitioner
who I was seeing is someone whoI work with now.
She ended up doing some work onme on an imbalance in my body
(05:46):
and could not find anynutritional route to the issue.
And there was no toxicity, therewas no nutritional depletion,
anything like that.
And she said, Katie, I don't dothis for a lot of people, but
because I don't do emotions,that's not her lane, she's not
comfortable with it, but I cantest to see if there is
(06:08):
something emotional going onwith whatever imbalances in your
body.
And I was like, absolutely,please do that.
And when she found the root andshe found the emotional
connection here and she clearedthe issue and the imbalance in
my body was gone, and that waswhen my brain broke even more
(06:32):
but then came back together andI finally realized I don't have
to leave the field that I'm in.
I can actually incorporatesomething else that will allow
me to maybe get into the bodyand to figure out what is going
on.
So she was the one whointroduced me to the emotion and
body code, and that's where Iam today and why I use both of
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those.
I use that model with mytherapy and I also just use it
as its own standalone, as itsstandalone service.
Dr. Carver (07:02):
And it's fabulous and I love it.
And I love working with youbecause I think through my
journey I've also learned thatwe have to take this more
holistic W-H-R-A-O-L approach tohealth and wellbeing.
And, as you said, it was reallyinteresting.
In your early career you'relike there's something more,
like you just knew itintuitively that there was
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something more that you could doto help people.
We've talked about on thepodcast before these childhood
traumas and all these kind ofthings that they literally get
buried in our bodies and thenthey have physical responses
years later.
And so when we are justattacking or trying to treat the
physical body, we see it allthe time that people get 80
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percent better Right.
And then what oh what is thatlast little bit?
How do we get them over thehump?
And that is when we see theemotion work, working on those
values.
And it's tricky because a lotof our values and ways of
thinking are in our body by agesix that's when you sit before
you even know that there's anyissues there.
(08:04):
So we're always, even throughour adulthood, we're working
through those filters of asix-year-old right, and so your
work is really great.
This whole emotion codebodywork helps to uncover.
So, for example, let's say,maybe give us an example of
somebody comes to you foremotion body code.
I'm trying to think what are myfirst things?
I came to I work a lot with mykids too.
(08:25):
I have Katie work on my kidsbecause they're not at the stage
right now where they want to goto counseling, but I know
they've got lots of dramas fromme or whatever, and so Katie's
really great helping me workwith my kids like anxiety right.
My younger daughter I'm likewhy does she not?
She's not very good withfriendships.
And I'm like why does she not?
(08:47):
She's not very good withfriendships and I'm like what is
stopping her?
So something like that.
You might be those examples.
So for my daughter we worked onRuby before we talked about why
isn't she more outgoing?
So tell us a little bit aboutthe process.
Katie Kitzing (08:59):
So the emotion and body code is you use muscle
testing approaches to ask thebody yes or no questions, to
explore what emotions maybebelief systems, maybe trauma or
other imbalances arecontributing to whatever issue
the client is coming in with.
And in your case, with yourdaughter, it might be that
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someone's coming in with theexperience of I don't know why,
but I just don't seem to want toconnect with people.
Or someone might come in andsay I have a behavioral like I
have a compulsive behavior and Idon't really know why I do it.
Or I have chronic anxiety orsleep issues.
That's the beauty of this workis you can come in with really
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anything that is just causing aninterference in your life.
So it could be emotional,behavioral, but it also could be
really.
It could be physical.
There's a chronic skin issue.
I've been working on it for areally long time with my
nutritionist.
It's gotten a lot better.
But I'm wondering if there's anemotional root to my skin
issues or my chronic left hippain.
That was one of the issues thatmotivated me to do this work is
(10:06):
just chronic left hip pain,trying to figure out what
emotional roots are going onthere.
So, yes, various issues likethat is usually what bring
people in, and trauma, of course, is one of the things that's
always fascinated me.
I remember starting to be veryinterested in trauma when I was
before I started doing this andwe were learning a lot more.
(10:29):
Okay, so trauma gets stored inyour cells and we know this.
There's enough evidence tosupport it.
We're learning about how we'reoperating unconsciously from
those places.
But I remember just thinkingthen, what do we do about it?
We know that it's there, weknow we're living out this
trauma, but what do we do aboutit?
We know that it's there, weknow we're living out this
trauma, but how do we get it out?
And I was learning about someof the well researched trauma
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modalities, like EMDR, prolongedexposure, which are great
modalities, but I always foundmyself more interested in the
traumas that people weren'treally aware of, instead of the.
I know that this happened.
It started here and then thishappened and then it ended up
here.
Those are the type of traumasthat people can rehearse
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verbally.
They have a memory attached toit, it's in their declarative
memory, and so they can workthrough something specific.
But for all the other peoplethat came in, or who I was
working with who they were justsaying.
I literally don't know wherethis came from.
I don't have a memory, I don'thave an experience that would
justify why I think this way.
And those were the ones I'mlike what do we do about that
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trauma?
One of this occurred when theperson was two and they don't
have a memory of it, or what ifthis is actually a generational
trauma that came from their mom?
How would we know that it camefrom there?
And then what do we do about it?
So, yes, I usually will getpeople who come in with
difficult to articulate issues,which is no barrier to this type
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of work.
They can just go.
I don't know.
It's a thing I don't want toconnect with people.
Dr. Carver (12:03):
I don't know why we could explore it, because there
usually is yeah, and it'samazing because in this work we
can look for, is there atoxicity right?
Is there a nutritional balanceor is there some long-awaited
belief?
I know we've worked together,we've gone back what nine, ten,
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I forget the last one made 16generations or something.
Sometimes it's one of the thingsI was like I feel I feel weird
about money, like I'm alwaysdon't have a net, and this is
weird because it's not reality.
So I asked Katie I'm like,let's unpack this Like, where
does this come from?
And that went back manygenerations to one particular
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like ancestor who there wastrauma surrounding that.
It's so interesting how thosecan be passed through multiple
generations and we're seeingthat and there's lots of
evidence to show this.
So it may not even be youremotion or your trauma, but
you're carrying it in your DNA.
So that's really fascinatingand I think that's important
(13:06):
what you're saying.
So you were talking about thebig T traumas, right?
So if you were abusedemotionally or physically,
that's an obvious trauma, butit's the little hurts, right?
Or the things that are passeddown through gender.
We don't understand why webehave a certain way.
So we can unpack it by, as yousaid, just simply asking these
questions, and so I think it'sabsolutely fascinating.
(13:27):
Do you want to give us some,maybe examples of some people
that you've worked with andhelped them overcome some
certain things?
Katie Kitzing (13:34):
Yeah, definitely Gosh.
I've worked with so many peoplewith various different things
here.
I've had people come in and areally common symptom that
people come in with is digestiveissues and or just anxiety with
food.
And oftentimes when there areemotional associations with food
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, undoubtedly the person's goingto have trouble digesting their
food and it makes it very murkyto figure out what is the
problem with food.
Is it that you have an allergy?
Is this a gluten intolerancehere?
Is there like a microbiomeimbalance here?
And so oftentimes we will findthat there are.
(14:17):
It may not be trauma, butsignificant emotional
experiences that have happened,whether it's with them or maybe
it is generational there.
Maybe their parent hademotional experience and food
was around and the brain hastucked it in a little category
and goes okay, food equalsstressful.
Because I was in this emotionalexperience where I felt a lot
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of shame, or I have now createda belief system around food or
not even around food.
It's just a belief system aboutwho I am as a person.
I am an unworthy person mightbe the belief, and when I have
food that shame is exasperatedand now it's just generalized to
food.
So I've seen some peopleimprove when it comes to those
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digestive issues or just feelinga little bit less stressed when
they're eating.
General hip pain that issomething I see a lot with women
.
It's very common for that lefthip to experience discomfort
when the uterus is out ofalignment and the uterus and the
reproductive organs often showup when there's emotional
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experiences with family members,with a parent, and so I've had
sometimes people come in.
It's just one appointment andthey go gosh.
I have been working so long toget rid of this hip pain.
I stretch, I do acupuncturelong to get rid of this hip pain
.
I stretch, I do acupuncture andwe'll do a little bit of work
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and wow, I can't even feel thepain anymore.
So things like that happen allthe time and it's always so
rewarding to see the progress.
Other people take a little bitlonger because there's layers
and so you just never know whatyou're going to get.
Is it going to be a quickhealing?
Is it going to be slow andprogressive?
You get all in between, that'sgreat.
Dr. Carver (15:58):
Tell us a little bit about the addictive behavior.
Have you seen any patterns ofwhat, maybe, like in early life,
may predispose?
Is it all genetics or is therea specific trauma?
Is there any patterns thatyou've seen around addictive
Gosh?
Katie Kitzing (16:15):
there I might have seen some patterns.
I try to stay super openbecause I know one thing Dr
Bradley and his team, that's thecreator of the Emotion and Body
Code they always hone in.
Anything can cause anything,anything can cause anything, and
so I sometimes notice patterns.
But I try to just keep ittotally open because I don't
want my bias to go.
(16:36):
Oh, I know, this is totallywhat it is.
But I often will find, withcompulsion behaviors, for one,
toxicity seems to be a theme.
When the system is overwhelmedwith whatever toxicity it is,
the body is stressed, so thatalmost always will show up.
But emotionally there usuallyis some type of either prenatal
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something is going on in thewomb, their parent, their mother
was experiencing somethingstressful but also
generationally.
Very rarely is it just thisperson's life that is
influencing their compulsionbehavior, whether it is binge
eating or substance use,anything like that.
So emotional traumas, for sure,generational traumas,
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toxicities and yeah, those mightbe the three things I typically
see no-transcript, emotional.
Dr. Carver (18:01):
just the body is one big ball of it.
So it's important that you havea practice who is open-minded
and is willing to let go of thefrontal cortex for a minute,
right, and just tap into theenergy, because I think that's
how we get have some moresuccesses by really listening to
the body.
There's that book that a bodykeeps the score.
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I think there's just so muchvalue to this energy work.
And it's exciting now becausethere's more and more evidence,
more and more research showinghow well we're seeing those of
us with chronic diseases at anepidemic level in the world
today, and conventionalmedications, even just
supplements, are just notcutting it anymore, and so it's
really important that weindividualize everybody's
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treatment and even in the dentalworld too, have interns come
all the time, or associates, andI tell them I treat people not
teeth right, because every toothis attached to a human being
and there's so many.
I see a ton of time emotions.
People have pain in their teeth, right, there's no obvious
infection and yet the tooth isreally bothering them.
(19:08):
Have you seen any like TMJ isone of the big ones, right, we
see a lot in young womenspecifically.
That just started with thestatistics show.
Have you treated anybody forany tooth or jaw.
Katie Kitzing (19:21):
Interestingly enough, people don't seem to
come in with that, but almost Ifeel like recently, in the last
month, I can't tell you howoften the teeth and TMJ are
showing up and they go oh yeah,that's actually a problem for me
, but they didn't come in withthat.
And I often the teeth and TMJare showing up and they go oh
yeah, that's actually a problemfor me, but they didn't come in
with that.
And I often find, like the TMJissue is connected to the
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kidneys, almost always that inthe kidneys they do a lot for
the body.
But I also find that, oh, yourbody is suggesting that one of
your teeth is misaligned andthat's significant because every
tooth is connected to differentorgans and different glands.
And oh, maybe that mightexplain a little bit why your
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knee is hurting or why yourliver might need support.
And it was mind-boggling for meto see that those connections
and, yeah, a biological dentistwas also something I wasn't
aware of, and so I just thinkit's fascinating, the
connections in the body all thetime I've seen so often person
will get a joint replacementright and then a month or two
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later the tooth on that sameside of the body starts
bothering them.
Dr. Carver (20:30):
And again you don't there's no, you don't see any
evidence of physical decay orright it's really interesting.
Every single tooth is an organ.
It has its own energetic, sothat's interesting to think
about the tmj and kidney.
We think of kidney is where ouressence right it's like we're
born with a certain amount ofessence, or chi, or prana or
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whatever life force, right,whatever you want want to call
it.
So it's interesting.
And and kidneys stress majorlyimpacts the kidneys and it takes
away some of that life essence.
Yeah, so that's really andthat's what we see too
oftentimes in tmj experts.
So it's stress less.
Do something about your stresseasier said than done right.
So that's my, that's kind ofwork, that youtube really comes
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in hand.
Okay, I know I'm clenching, I'mstressed at work, but we think
all the things that our job islike the most stressful and
stuff.
But if you know any, anybodycan have stress, but it's, it's
interesting, this emotional.
How do we create resilience?
Or where does this stress comefrom?
Because, again, everybody canhave stress.
Some people deal with it betterthan others.
(21:31):
So when it comes to, I knowused to think of myself when I
was younger yeah, stress doesn'tbother me, but it builds up
over time and I can be quick toreact instead of okay, just take
a breath, everything's good, sobeing back, okay, why do I get
triggered?
What are those triggers?
Because that's hard for whenyou're in relationships with
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somebody and trying to haveproper communication.
If somebody says something andit triggers you, like then
trying to have that meaningfulconversation and conflict
resolution, that becomes reallychallenging as a parent.
Right?
If you're easily triggered bysomething your kids do, then are
you teaching your kids a goodlesson or are you creating more
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trauma and stuff like that?
Katie Kitzing (22:13):
Yes.
Dr. Carver (22:14):
I think it's really.
This kind of work is sofascinating, to try to
understand yourself and the wayyou interact with others, and
one of the things I came to youtoo about was that, oh, I can't
seem to find an associate.
I know where I live makes itmore challenging.
What I do is more of a specialkind of dentistry, but I'm like,
but do I have an energeticwriting that?
And so we worked on that a lottoo, opening myself and what is
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I'd like to kind of work bymyself, wanted to work for.
So how do I open that up andsay, okay, but now I'm ready,
like I invite somebody into my,to my system?
yes and get rid of thoseblockages.
I think that's super excitingand I love doing that work and
it's a continuum.
We've been working together formonths and I don't feel like
I'm like there's a beginning andan end to that.
(23:00):
There really isn't.
Sometimes I'll call on you like, oh, I'm having a moment, I
need help with this one issue,but otherwise it's just like in
general, working on here's whatI want to achieve and, you know,
help me work with thoseemotions and see things in a
better light or whatever.
Help me work on myself.
Katie Kitzing (23:19):
Yes, that's a maintenance thing.
You're right.
Sometimes people want to knowokay, so how often do I need to
come in and do this?
And I think, okay, I'm notthinking like I am when I'm in a
therapy session, it's okay,let's see each other weekly,
before we go biweekly.
This is more like you can feel,like a massage.
You can feel when you need togo get some massage work done
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and you can engage with theemotion and body code.
Like that, if you came in once amonth, even if there wasn't an
acute thing that you werebothered with, you're going to
experience benefits becausewe're living, and so we're going
to experience stress.
And there's going to experiencebenefits because we're living,
and so we're going to experiencestress, and there's going to be
something your body wants towork on.
And even if it was once everythree months, that we can just
continually benefit from thiswork, even if it was just
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semi-regular and to your pointtoo, why are we so stressed all
the time and what could we do tohelp with that?
That's one of the things I loveabout this is, I almost imagine
that all of our emotionalexperiences are stored in our
body like big rocks and we arejust weighed down.
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It's like that term.
People use emotional baggage.
I thought that was moresymbolic and I take that to be
very real.
We are truly carrying thebaggage of our emotional
experiences and once we start toremove those big rocks, we have
more capacity to deal with theday-to-day stressors.
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And then there's just the otherpiece.
What could I do to beprotecting myself, to not be so
vulnerable all the time, so thatstress doesn't impact my body?
And that's where thenutritional work comes in,
because when we have toxicities,if we're eating a diet that's
full of processed foods, ourbody is going to be living in a
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chronic state of stress and wewill not be able to handle the
emotional stressors that come.
But then there's also justdoing things to protect
ourselves energetically.
I'm a Christian.
I pray the armor of God everyday.
God, please put this, yourshield of protection, over me,
that I am not vulnerable toother people's emotions, that I
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don't leave at the end of theday taking on anything that I
worked on with a client and thatdoes make a big difference for
us, and we could and should allget in the practice of saying
nope, I blocked myself off fromother people's energies.
Dr. Carver (25:46):
And super important.
My oldest daughter is an empathand so she gets stressed, she
has anxiety, and it is becauseshe absorbs so much of that
energy.
So from a young age we've beentrying to teach her like how do
you create that barrier, how doyou create the boundaries so
that you don't let that affectyou?
Because that is, and so manypeople today, especially these
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young kids, are walking aroundwith all this anxiety and all
the impact of that social mediathat's in their face at all
times.
That's a stressor.
Kids say they get on it to relaxor whatever.
But they don't realize thatstress of that constant
information, not to mention theblue light and all the other
stuff, the Wi-Fi and all thatstuff is an addition to
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stressors.
Katie Kitzing (26:27):
So creating this resilience, so for those people
listening who maybe don't know,we've talked about muscle
(26:49):
testing on this podcast a lot,but maybe don't totally
understand it.
So let's say, we explaining toa client who just has no concept
of what do you do, Is thiswitchcraft?
And no, it's not, but it isvery wild.
It's very wild.
So I usually explain that ourbody has this built-in memory
bank of everything that we'veever experienced, and muscle
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testing can be used to ask yesor no questions to the body to
see if it's.
Is there an emotion here that'sinfluencing this particular
issue.
And if you think about itpsychologically speaking, I
think we've all kind of hadthose moments where we had an
aha moment.
We didn't know why we struggledwith something and then we go
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oh wow, actually maybe that'swhy I struggle with this issue.
That makes so much sense andsuddenly the issue doesn't
bother us anymore.
It's because it's come to ourconscious awareness and that is
a lot about half of the work ofwhat muscle testing and emotion
body code does.
It brings out the informationthat we already know that's in
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our unconscious and it is now inour awareness.
So, even actively, as we'redoing testing, these things are
releasing because we're aware ofit.
But then I usually take an extrastep.
So I work with a lot of clientswho are Christian and I usually
will spend the session prayingand I pray over the imbalances
that we find and muscle test atthe end and the body responds
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and says, yes, I release thesethings.
But guided imagery and throughthe power of intention can also
be used.
So sometimes I have clientsthat will close their eyes and
they will use a sense of imageryof all of these emotions that I
found.
I imagine them leaving my heartspace.
They say it out loud.
I give my body permission tolet this go.
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I have some clients that chooseto tap on different radian
points because the EFT emotionfreedom technique that's known
to help release emotions fromthe body and then a lot of
practitioners use magnet therapy.
I chose not to go that routemainly because I wanted to find
a little bit more of an easiertransition into using this work
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with my therapy clients.
To suddenly start using amagnet with them felt a little
weird, but the magnets do workin a lot of practitioners or
release emotions through magnets.
Dr. Carver (29:09):
Yeah, I know, in the first emotion code book he
taught, he explained how to usethe magnet and you draw it right
over your head.
And what is the mechanism ofthat?
Why would you draw it over yourhead?
What is that tracing?
So the main meridian, and whatis the mechanism of that?
Why would you draw it over yourhead?
What is that tracing?
Katie Kitzing (29:22):
So the main meridian in our body is the
governing meridian.
It starts about our lip and itgoes all the way down back down
your spine and it's that mainelectrical current in our body
and the way that it's describedit's when you take the magnet.
You could use the positive sideof a magnet and you have a
negative energy in your body.
It's almost as if you areerasing it, much like when you
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put your.
Like someone takes your creditcard with a magnet, you can
clear the information on thecredit card.
It's like that, and sometimespeople don't even have a magnet.
They might even use their hands, because we have a lot of
polarity on our hands.
You could use your hands.
Sometimes people swipe on theirhands as well.
Dr. Carver (30:07):
but it is a true clearing from the positive
energy to the negative,neutralizing that information.
Yeah, and I think that's.
I love that analogy you justsaid with the credit card,
because a lot of people think,oh, that's so woo.
But yeah, how many times haveyou ever been to a hotel and you
put your stinking key cardright next to your phone and it
gets wiped?
Katie Kitzing (30:21):
out.
Dr. Carver (30:22):
So it's all about charge, yes, charge in our body.
Everything in the universe hascharge.
So that's what we're doing.
Emotions have charge, right,and this is how this works.
Just because you can't see theemotion doesn't mean it's not
there, right?
And that's where sometimes youhave to distend your belief.
Let it go a little bit and justbelieve, right, because how can
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we read heart rhythm?
How can we read brainwaves?
Katie Kitzing (30:46):
It's all how do lie detectors work?
Right, these are all things ofthe electrical world, the
frequency world, that we'reusing, but I have found that I
had to work through some seriousmental blocks with going into
this work, because anything inthe energy world, anything that
God created, the enemy will useto pervert.
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And so what?
I think the average person thatI know with the circles that
I'm in here's the word energyand here's the word frequency,
and they go straight towitchcraft, they go straight to
new age, and I was like, oh mygosh, is this the world I'm
walking into?
And I really had to look at itfrom a scientific perspective
and recognize it for what it isand it is.
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Everything is energy andfrequency and we can use it to
bring restoration in our body,and I'm so thankful for that.
Dr. Carver (31:37):
When I started learning this.
It doesn't have to be religionversus science.
This is what made me believe inJesus is because I'm like, okay
, I was so scientificallyoriented going through all my
schooling and I was like I wasbrought up Christian too and
thinking, yeah, jesus, oh, okay,these people are making this.
But then you think about energyand I was like he was like the
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premier energy healer.
It made me just believe in thiseven more, that they don't have
to be separate.
But one.
God and energy and all of thistogether and I was like, wow,
okay, I really can get on boardwith all of this now, not just
imagine that these things happen, because it's a good story.
But hey, I can see with thepower.
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I've seen it time and timeagain this energy healing.
I think it's a good story, buthey, I can see with the power.
I've seen it time and timeagain, this energy healing.
I think it's fascinating tothink like this and what.
When you talk about thatgoverning meridian, it makes me
think of two in the mouthsometimes when we have metals
that cross over.
If you have a metal partial onthe top of your mouth for graces
or any kind of wire across thetop teeth, that kind of is
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interrupting that smooth energyflow of that governing meridian.
We also talk about, like tongueposture.
Having that tongue on the roofof the mouth is connecting.
Right, the governing meridianwould be a conception vessel.
Right so there's one down thefront of the body, one down the
back would be a conceptionvessel.
Right, so there's one down thefront of the body, one down the
back, and that part on thepalate is where those two energy
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pathways connect.
So I moved away from doing anymetal crossing the midline.
Right, it's on one side orother, not as much, but when it
specifically crosses the midlinewe can see interruption in
cerebral spinal fluid and thatenergy.
So it's really interesting.
So I'm like oh, I try to avoidthat in all possible cases.
Right, a lot of people mighthave wires in front of the teeth
(33:26):
.
So take out the metal and wecan use fibers now, which is
great, so we don't have thatinterruption in the energy.
People don't think about that.
Well, the metals in their mouthright, when we have dissimilar
metals, we have an electricalcurrent going on there.
This is all related and reallyinteresting how it all comes
together there, fascinating tothink about.
Katie Kitzing (33:45):
I know my husband has wires in down his spine
from a previous surgery that hehad and it was connected to this
little thing right there in hisbody and while he got part of
this removed from his body,those wires are still in there
and I often think, gosh, what isthis doing to the electrical
flow in his entire body?
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Even though the doctors sayit's not going to do anything,
it's not affecting you, you havechronic back issues, you have
chronic low energy.
I can't help but wonder aboutthat.
Dr. Carver (34:16):
Yeah, I mean it's fascinating when you think about
all it and how everything workstogether.
In traditional scientific world, you know that energy doesn't
come into play, even thoughthey'll use the energy to listen
to the look at the heart andlook at the brain.
It hasn't quite gotten that far, but it's surprising more in
the main media it is now becausepeople are looking for answers
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because conventional is onlygetting them so far.
People are looking for answersbecause conventional is only
getting them so far.
So, we're seeing this.
Think about all the wearablespeople have today.
Katie Kitzing (34:45):
Right To be able to track your heart rate
variability and your sleep andall this stuff, which is awesome
.
Dr. Carver (34:49):
I love trying to teach people to be their best
doctor, right?
You are the only person whoknows your body.
You know the way you're feelingand thinking and all this.
So having all of this kind oftechnology.
There's pluses and minuses totechnology, obviously, but it's
nice that there's thisavailability so we can track our
own health and try to catchthese things before they become
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so massive that they're morechallenging to deal with.
And I wanted to bring you on sowe could talk about this other
aspect, right, the emotional,the spiritual, all of that.
With that and becoming aware ofthat when we're dealing with
some chronic issue, is therealso?
Yes, there may be toxicities,but is there the underlying
emotional issue why we can't getover the hump?
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And it's wonderful, it doesn'thurt, it's not invasive, you can
do it from the comfort of yourown bed, katie's way out on the
West Coast.
I'm on the East Coast and sothat's great.
The whole idea of being able touse Zoom and all these
different modalities.
Now we can get the best of allworlds.
We don't have to be in a cityExactly it's brain breaking.
Katie Kitzing (35:54):
It's brain breaking.
I thought I don't evenunderstand the ins and outs of
quantum entanglement, and yetthat's the mechanism used here
for me to do a distance testwith another person on the East
Coast Unbelievable, unbelievable, and I'm so thankful for it,
because then there isn't abarrier for someone to get
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healing, and I'm so grateful.
Dr. Carver (36:25):
Yeah, me too.
It is amazing we didn't eventouch on that, like we don't
even have to be in the same room, which is really, again what
creates that ability to get allthis work, no matter where you
are.
So why don't you tell us alittle bit more about your Honey
, holistic Health and how, ifsomebody was interested, how
would they work with you orlearn more?
Katie Kitzing (36:40):
Yes, so I work at a small wellness center called
Honey Holistic Health and it wasoriginally a place where Andrea
Espinoza she is a nutritionresponse therapist, so she does
all the nutritional side,checking out the physical health
of your body and then I came onboard and I do the emotion and
body code and I also do mentalhealth therapy for clients in
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Washington, and so for those whoare interested in exploring
both the nutritional roots andthe emotional roots to whatever
symptoms they have, that's whatleads them to come to Honey
Holistic.
Our website ishoneyholistichealthcom and Honey
Holistic Health is also whereyou can find us on Facebook or
Instagram as well.
Dr. Carver (37:23):
Awesome, katie, this has been wonderful.
Thank you so much again fortaking time so early in your day
to come and educate all of us.
Again, I can't tell you how muchI've loved working with Katie.
She's really helped me in somany ways and she's just a
wonderful human being with awonderful heart.
So I definitely encourageeverybody to check out Emotion
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Code, body Code, learn a littlebit more about it, and maybe
it's that missing piece of thepuzzle for you.
So I hope you all enjoyed thisepisode.
Please let us know what othertopics you'd like to hear about,
and otherwise we'll see you allon the next episode.
Have a great day.
Katie Kitzing (38:00):
Thank you so much .
Hello everybody, welcome back to another episode
of the Root of the Matter.
I am your host, dr RachelCarver, and today we are really
fortunate to have one of mycolleagues and one of my good
friends and somebody who helpsme be a better human being.
Katie Kitzing, is here with us.
She has a master's incounseling, is a drug and
alcohol counselor and how I useher as a certified emotion and
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body code practitioner.
So, katie, thank you so muchfor getting up so early and
having this conversation andsharing all of your wisdom with
our audience.
Why don't you tell us a littlebit about what brought you into
counseling and how you foundthis emotion code and body code
work?
Katie Kitzing (00:38):
Yes, Thank you so much, Dr Rachel, for having me.
I'm excited to be here.
Yeah, I will say in general Ididn't grow up in the functional
medicine world.
I didn't know much about it, Ijust grew up going to normal MD
doctors, so that wasn't in mybackground at all.
But I got my bachelor's insocial work out in Eastern
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Washington University and whileI was in that program I got
certified as a drug and alcoholcounselor.
And when I graduated from thatprogram is where I landed a job
at an inpatient center, atreatment center for youth who
struggled with pretty severeaddictions.
And it was a really hard job,it was really rewarding.
(01:25):
And I just remember thinkingwhen I was working with those
youth wow, I wonder what I cando to understand, like, what
drives these addictions more.
And so I did that for a fewyears before I started moving a
little bit more to an outpatientbasis with adults.
And I remember feeling gosh.
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Clients are in these programsfor such a long time.
I wonder what I could be doingto be better at really figuring
out what drives their addictionsand how can they become
recovered from this so they canlive the lives that they're
meant to have.
And at that point I rememberthinking, gosh, I might have to
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go back to school and so I canstart to understand the deeper
roots of what's going on inpeople's hearts and what's the
trauma that I'm not able toaddress is just being their drug
and alcohol counselor.
So I went and got my master'sin professional counseling at
Grand Canyon University andthat's what opened up a whole
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new world for me.
And when I completed thatprogram in 2018 is when I first
started working at a partialhospitalization program, which
is essentially a day treatmentfor clients who struggle with
more acute issues.
Maybe they have more severeanxiety, depression and maybe
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some suicidal ideation orself-harm, and I was finally
feeling okay, I can get to theroot of the issue here and I can
maybe help these people in adeeper way than I had before.
But I found that even then Iwas observing I'm seeing, okay,
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clients are, they're learningreally great skills and it's
really helping them.
They are on medications, butpeople are only getting just a
little bit better.
Just a little bit better.
Gosh, there's so much more I ammissing here.
I can't quite articulate whatit is, but it just feels like
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there's more that I could beexploring to help people heal.
So that's somewhat of myprofessional background and then
my personal life kind ofconverges with this, which tells
you a little bit more how I gotinto what I do now.
So in about 2019 is when I wasintroduced to nutrition response
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testing or muscle testing and Istumbled into that because I
knew people who were doing itand I was looking for a more
like functional route approachto some of the struggles I was
having, mostly anxiety, feelingchronically stressed, feeling
rushed all the time.
I had historically triedcounseling and I tried a couple
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of psychiatric medications and Ithought I don't feel a whole
lot better and I kind of havethese negative side effects in
medication.
Why don't I try a deeper root,a deeper rooted approach?
And when I was introduced tonutrition response testing and
muscle testing for the firsttime, my brain completely broke.
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I was, I could not compute andunderstand that.
The body intuitively knew whatwas going on with me and I just
left thinking my body knowswhat's going on and what the
problem is, and my body knowswhat the solution is.
(05:02):
It knows exactly what it needs.
I was speechless At that point.
I might have had maybe aprofessional crisis, Thinking I
might have to walk away fromeverything I've ever known in
the counseling field, because Ineed to work with the body,
because the body has theseanswers that I just don't know
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myself.
And so I sat in that place fora while.
Do I leave my career and pursuesomething with the body like
nutrition response testing?
Thank God it didn't come tothat, because the practitioner
who I was seeing is someone whoI work with now.
She ended up doing some work onme on an imbalance in my body
(05:46):
and could not find anynutritional route to the issue.
And there was no toxicity, therewas no nutritional depletion,
anything like that.
And she said, Katie, I don't dothis for a lot of people, but
because I don't do emotions,that's not her lane, she's not
comfortable with it, but I cantest to see if there is
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something emotional going onwith whatever imbalances in your
body.
And I was like, absolutely,please do that.
And when she found the root andshe found the emotional
connection here and she clearedthe issue and the imbalance in
my body was gone, and that waswhen my brain broke even more
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but then came back together andI finally realized I don't have
to leave the field that I'm in.
I can actually incorporatesomething else that will allow
me to maybe get into the bodyand to figure out what is going
on.
So she was the one whointroduced me to the emotion and
body code, and that's where Iam today and why I use both of
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those.
I use that model with mytherapy and I also just use it
as its own standalone, as itsstandalone service.
Dr. Carver (07:02):
And it's fabulous and I love it.
And I love working with youbecause I think through my
journey I've also learned thatwe have to take this more
holistic W-H-R-A-O-L approach tohealth and wellbeing.
And, as you said, it was reallyinteresting.
In your early career you'relike there's something more,
like you just knew itintuitively that there was
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something more that you could doto help people.
We've talked about on thepodcast before these childhood
traumas and all these kind ofthings that they literally get
buried in our bodies and thenthey have physical responses
years later.
And so when we are justattacking or trying to treat the
physical body, we see it allthe time that people get 80
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percent better Right.
And then what oh what is thatlast little bit?
How do we get them over thehump?
And that is when we see theemotion work, working on those
values.
And it's tricky because a lotof our values and ways of
thinking are in our body by agesix that's when you sit before
you even know that there's anyissues there.
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So we're always, even throughour adulthood, we're working
through those filters of asix-year-old right, and so your
work is really great.
This whole emotion codebodywork helps to uncover.
So, for example, let's say,maybe give us an example of
somebody comes to you foremotion body code.
I'm trying to think what are myfirst things?
I came to I work a lot with mykids too.
(08:25):
I have Katie work on my kidsbecause they're not at the stage
right now where they want to goto counseling, but I know
they've got lots of dramas fromme or whatever, and so Katie's
really great helping me workwith my kids like anxiety right.
My younger daughter I'm likewhy does she not?
She's not very good withfriendships.
And I'm like why does she not?
(08:47):
She's not very good withfriendships and I'm like what is
stopping her?
So something like that.
You might be those examples.
So for my daughter we worked onRuby before we talked about why
isn't she more outgoing?
So tell us a little bit aboutthe process.
Katie Kitzing (08:59):
So the emotion and body code is you use muscle
testing approaches to ask thebody yes or no questions, to
explore what emotions maybebelief systems, maybe trauma or
other imbalances arecontributing to whatever issue
the client is coming in with.
And in your case, with yourdaughter, it might be that
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someone's coming in with theexperience of I don't know why,
but I just don't seem to want toconnect with people.
Or someone might come in andsay I have a behavioral like I
have a compulsive behavior and Idon't really know why I do it.
Or I have chronic anxiety orsleep issues.
That's the beauty of this workis you can come in with really
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anything that is just causing aninterference in your life.
So it could be emotional,behavioral, but it also could be
really.
It could be physical.
There's a chronic skin issue.
I've been working on it for areally long time with my
nutritionist.
It's gotten a lot better.
But I'm wondering if there's anemotional root to my skin
issues or my chronic left hippain.
That was one of the issues thatmotivated me to do this work is
(10:06):
just chronic left hip pain,trying to figure out what
emotional roots are going onthere.
So, yes, various issues likethat is usually what bring
people in, and trauma, of course, is one of the things that's
always fascinated me.
I remember starting to be veryinterested in trauma when I was
before I started doing this andwe were learning a lot more.
(10:29):
Okay, so trauma gets stored inyour cells and we know this.
There's enough evidence tosupport it.
We're learning about how we'reoperating unconsciously from
those places.
But I remember just thinkingthen, what do we do about it?
We know that it's there, weknow we're living out this
trauma, but what do we do aboutit?
We know that it's there, weknow we're living out this
trauma, but how do we get it out?
And I was learning about someof the well researched trauma
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modalities, like EMDR, prolongedexposure, which are great
modalities, but I always foundmyself more interested in the
traumas that people weren'treally aware of, instead of the.
I know that this happened.
It started here and then thishappened and then it ended up
here.
Those are the type of traumasthat people can rehearse
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verbally.
They have a memory attached toit, it's in their declarative
memory, and so they can workthrough something specific.
But for all the other peoplethat came in, or who I was
working with who they were justsaying.
I literally don't know wherethis came from.
I don't have a memory, I don'thave an experience that would
justify why I think this way.
And those were the ones I'mlike what do we do about that
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trauma?
One of this occurred when theperson was two and they don't
have a memory of it, or what ifthis is actually a generational
trauma that came from their mom?
How would we know that it camefrom there?
And then what do we do about it?
So, yes, I usually will getpeople who come in with
difficult to articulate issues,which is no barrier to this type
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of work.
They can just go.
I don't know.
It's a thing I don't want toconnect with people.
Dr. Carver (12:03):
I don't know why we could explore it, because there
usually is yeah, and it'samazing because in this work we
can look for, is there atoxicity right?
Is there a nutritional balanceor is there some long-awaited
belief?
I know we've worked together,we've gone back what nine, ten,
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I forget the last one made 16generations or something.
Sometimes it's one of the thingsI was like I feel I feel weird
about money, like I'm alwaysdon't have a net, and this is
weird because it's not reality.
So I asked Katie I'm like,let's unpack this Like, where
does this come from?
And that went back manygenerations to one particular
(12:43):
like ancestor who there wastrauma surrounding that.
It's so interesting how thosecan be passed through multiple
generations and we're seeingthat and there's lots of
evidence to show this.
So it may not even be youremotion or your trauma, but
you're carrying it in your DNA.
So that's really fascinatingand I think that's important
(13:06):
what you're saying.
So you were talking about thebig T traumas, right?
So if you were abusedemotionally or physically,
that's an obvious trauma, butit's the little hurts, right?
Or the things that are passeddown through gender.
We don't understand why webehave a certain way.
So we can unpack it by, as yousaid, just simply asking these
questions, and so I think it'sabsolutely fascinating.
(13:27):
Do you want to give us some,maybe examples of some people
that you've worked with andhelped them overcome some
certain things?
Katie Kitzing (13:34):
Yeah, definitely Gosh.
I've worked with so many peoplewith various different things
here.
I've had people come in and areally common symptom that
people come in with is digestiveissues and or just anxiety with
food.
And oftentimes when there areemotional associations with food
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, undoubtedly the person's goingto have trouble digesting their
food and it makes it very murkyto figure out what is the
problem with food.
Is it that you have an allergy?
Is this a gluten intolerancehere?
Is there like a microbiomeimbalance here?
And so oftentimes we will findthat there are.
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It may not be trauma, butsignificant emotional
experiences that have happened,whether it's with them or maybe
it is generational there.
Maybe their parent hademotional experience and food
was around and the brain hastucked it in a little category
and goes okay, food equalsstressful.
Because I was in this emotionalexperience where I felt a lot
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of shame, or I have now createda belief system around food or
not even around food.
It's just a belief system aboutwho I am as a person.
I am an unworthy person mightbe the belief, and when I have
food that shame is exasperatedand now it's just generalized to
food.
So I've seen some peopleimprove when it comes to those
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digestive issues or just feelinga little bit less stressed when
they're eating.
General hip pain that issomething I see a lot with women
.
It's very common for that lefthip to experience discomfort
when the uterus is out ofalignment and the uterus and the
reproductive organs often showup when there's emotional
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experiences with family members,with a parent, and so I've had
sometimes people come in.
It's just one appointment andthey go gosh.
I have been working so long toget rid of this hip pain.
I stretch, I do acupuncturelong to get rid of this hip pain
.
I stretch, I do acupuncture andwe'll do a little bit of work
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and wow, I can't even feel thepain anymore.
So things like that happen allthe time and it's always so
rewarding to see the progress.
Other people take a little bitlonger because there's layers
and so you just never know whatyou're going to get.
Is it going to be a quickhealing?
Is it going to be slow andprogressive?
You get all in between, that'sgreat.
Dr. Carver (15:58):
Tell us a little bit about the addictive behavior.
Have you seen any patterns ofwhat, maybe, like in early life,
may predispose?
Is it all genetics or is therea specific trauma?
Is there any patterns thatyou've seen around addictive
Gosh?
Katie Kitzing (16:15):
there I might have seen some patterns.
I try to stay super openbecause I know one thing Dr
Bradley and his team, that's thecreator of the Emotion and Body
Code they always hone in.
Anything can cause anything,anything can cause anything, and
so I sometimes notice patterns.
But I try to just keep ittotally open because I don't
want my bias to go.
(16:36):
Oh, I know, this is totallywhat it is.
But I often will find, withcompulsion behaviors, for one,
toxicity seems to be a theme.
When the system is overwhelmedwith whatever toxicity it is,
the body is stressed, so thatalmost always will show up.
But emotionally there usuallyis some type of either prenatal
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something is going on in thewomb, their parent, their mother
was experiencing somethingstressful but also
generationally.
Very rarely is it just thisperson's life that is
influencing their compulsionbehavior, whether it is binge
eating or substance use,anything like that.
So emotional traumas, for sure,generational traumas,
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toxicities and yeah, those mightbe the three things I typically
see no-transcript, emotional.
Dr. Carver (18:01):
just the body is one big ball of it.
So it's important that you havea practice who is open-minded
and is willing to let go of thefrontal cortex for a minute,
right, and just tap into theenergy, because I think that's
how we get have some moresuccesses by really listening to
the body.
There's that book that a bodykeeps the score.
(18:24):
I think there's just so muchvalue to this energy work.
And it's exciting now becausethere's more and more evidence,
more and more research showinghow well we're seeing those of
us with chronic diseases at anepidemic level in the world
today, and conventionalmedications, even just
supplements, are just notcutting it anymore, and so it's
really important that weindividualize everybody's
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treatment and even in the dentalworld too, have interns come
all the time, or associates, andI tell them I treat people not
teeth right, because every toothis attached to a human being
and there's so many.
I see a ton of time emotions.
People have pain in their teeth, right, there's no obvious
infection and yet the tooth isreally bothering them.
(19:08):
Have you seen any like TMJ isone of the big ones, right, we
see a lot in young womenspecifically.
That just started with thestatistics show.
Have you treated anybody forany tooth or jaw.
Katie Kitzing (19:21):
Interestingly enough, people don't seem to
come in with that, but almost Ifeel like recently, in the last
month, I can't tell you howoften the teeth and TMJ are
showing up and they go oh yeah,that's actually a problem for me
, but they didn't come in withthat.
And I often the teeth and TMJare showing up and they go oh
yeah, that's actually a problemfor me, but they didn't come in
with that.
And I often find, like the TMJissue is connected to the
(19:41):
kidneys, almost always that inthe kidneys they do a lot for
the body.
But I also find that, oh, yourbody is suggesting that one of
your teeth is misaligned andthat's significant because every
tooth is connected to differentorgans and different glands.
And oh, maybe that mightexplain a little bit why your
(20:03):
knee is hurting or why yourliver might need support.
And it was mind-boggling for meto see that those connections
and, yeah, a biological dentistwas also something I wasn't
aware of, and so I just thinkit's fascinating, the
connections in the body all thetime I've seen so often person
will get a joint replacementright and then a month or two
(20:26):
later the tooth on that sameside of the body starts
bothering them.
Dr. Carver (20:30):
And again you don't there's no, you don't see any
evidence of physical decay orright it's really interesting.
Every single tooth is an organ.
It has its own energetic, sothat's interesting to think
about the tmj and kidney.
We think of kidney is where ouressence right it's like we're
born with a certain amount ofessence, or chi, or prana or
(20:50):
whatever life force, right,whatever you want want to call
it.
So it's interesting.
And and kidneys stress majorlyimpacts the kidneys and it takes
away some of that life essence.
Yeah, so that's really andthat's what we see too
oftentimes in tmj experts.
So it's stress less.
Do something about your stresseasier said than done right.
So that's my, that's kind ofwork, that youtube really comes
(21:11):
in hand.
Okay, I know I'm clenching, I'mstressed at work, but we think
all the things that our job islike the most stressful and
stuff.
But if you know any, anybodycan have stress, but it's, it's
interesting, this emotional.
How do we create resilience?
Or where does this stress comefrom?
Because, again, everybody canhave stress.
Some people deal with it betterthan others.
(21:31):
So when it comes to, I knowused to think of myself when I
was younger yeah, stress doesn'tbother me, but it builds up
over time and I can be quick toreact instead of okay, just take
a breath, everything's good, sobeing back, okay, why do I get
triggered?
What are those triggers?
Because that's hard for whenyou're in relationships with
(21:51):
somebody and trying to haveproper communication.
If somebody says something andit triggers you, like then
trying to have that meaningfulconversation and conflict
resolution, that becomes reallychallenging as a parent.
Right?
If you're easily triggered bysomething your kids do, then are
you teaching your kids a goodlesson or are you creating more
(22:12):
trauma and stuff like that?
Katie Kitzing (22:13):
Yes.
Dr. Carver (22:14):
I think it's really.
This kind of work is sofascinating, to try to
understand yourself and the wayyou interact with others, and
one of the things I came to youtoo about was that, oh, I can't
seem to find an associate.
I know where I live makes itmore challenging.
What I do is more of a specialkind of dentistry, but I'm like,
but do I have an energeticwriting that?
And so we worked on that a lottoo, opening myself and what is
(22:38):
I'd like to kind of work bymyself, wanted to work for.
So how do I open that up andsay, okay, but now I'm ready,
like I invite somebody into my,to my system?
yes and get rid of thoseblockages.
I think that's super excitingand I love doing that work and
it's a continuum.
We've been working together formonths and I don't feel like
I'm like there's a beginning andan end to that.
(23:00):
There really isn't.
Sometimes I'll call on you like, oh, I'm having a moment, I
need help with this one issue,but otherwise it's just like in
general, working on here's whatI want to achieve and, you know,
help me work with thoseemotions and see things in a
better light or whatever.
Help me work on myself.
Katie Kitzing (23:19):
Yes, that's a maintenance thing.
You're right.
Sometimes people want to knowokay, so how often do I need to
come in and do this?
And I think, okay, I'm notthinking like I am when I'm in a
therapy session, it's okay,let's see each other weekly,
before we go biweekly.
This is more like you can feel,like a massage.
You can feel when you need togo get some massage work done
(23:41):
and you can engage with theemotion and body code.
Like that, if you came in once amonth, even if there wasn't an
acute thing that you werebothered with, you're going to
experience benefits becausewe're living, and so we're going
to experience stress.
And there's going to experiencebenefits because we're living,
and so we're going to experiencestress, and there's going to be
something your body wants towork on.
And even if it was once everythree months, that we can just
continually benefit from thiswork, even if it was just
(24:04):
semi-regular and to your pointtoo, why are we so stressed all
the time and what could we do tohelp with that?
That's one of the things I loveabout this is, I almost imagine
that all of our emotionalexperiences are stored in our
body like big rocks and we arejust weighed down.
(24:24):
It's like that term.
People use emotional baggage.
I thought that was moresymbolic and I take that to be
very real.
We are truly carrying thebaggage of our emotional
experiences and once we start toremove those big rocks, we have
more capacity to deal with theday-to-day stressors.
(24:46):
And then there's just the otherpiece.
What could I do to beprotecting myself, to not be so
vulnerable all the time, so thatstress doesn't impact my body?
And that's where thenutritional work comes in,
because when we have toxicities,if we're eating a diet that's
full of processed foods, ourbody is going to be living in a
(25:09):
chronic state of stress and wewill not be able to handle the
emotional stressors that come.
But then there's also justdoing things to protect
ourselves energetically.
I'm a Christian.
I pray the armor of God everyday.
God, please put this, yourshield of protection, over me,
that I am not vulnerable toother people's emotions, that I
(25:30):
don't leave at the end of theday taking on anything that I
worked on with a client and thatdoes make a big difference for
us, and we could and should allget in the practice of saying
nope, I blocked myself off fromother people's energies.
Dr. Carver (25:46):
And super important.
My oldest daughter is an empathand so she gets stressed, she
has anxiety, and it is becauseshe absorbs so much of that
energy.
So from a young age we've beentrying to teach her like how do
you create that barrier, how doyou create the boundaries so
that you don't let that affectyou?
Because that is, and so manypeople today, especially these
(26:06):
young kids, are walking aroundwith all this anxiety and all
the impact of that social mediathat's in their face at all
times.
That's a stressor.
Kids say they get on it to relaxor whatever.
But they don't realize thatstress of that constant
information, not to mention theblue light and all the other
stuff, the Wi-Fi and all thatstuff is an addition to
(26:26):
stressors.
Katie Kitzing (26:27):
So creating this resilience, so for those people
listening who maybe don't know,we've talked about muscle
(26:49):
testing on this podcast a lot,but maybe don't totally
understand it.
So let's say, we explaining toa client who just has no concept
of what do you do, Is thiswitchcraft?
And no, it's not, but it isvery wild.
It's very wild.
So I usually explain that ourbody has this built-in memory
bank of everything that we'veever experienced, and muscle
(27:11):
testing can be used to ask yesor no questions to the body to
see if it's.
Is there an emotion here that'sinfluencing this particular
issue.
And if you think about itpsychologically speaking, I
think we've all kind of hadthose moments where we had an
aha moment.
We didn't know why we struggledwith something and then we go
(27:32):
oh wow, actually maybe that'swhy I struggle with this issue.
That makes so much sense andsuddenly the issue doesn't
bother us anymore.
It's because it's come to ourconscious awareness and that is
a lot about half of the work ofwhat muscle testing and emotion
body code does.
It brings out the informationthat we already know that's in
(27:53):
our unconscious and it is now inour awareness.
So, even actively, as we'redoing testing, these things are
releasing because we're aware ofit.
But then I usually take an extrastep.
So I work with a lot of clientswho are Christian and I usually
will spend the session prayingand I pray over the imbalances
that we find and muscle test atthe end and the body responds
(28:16):
and says, yes, I release thesethings.
But guided imagery and throughthe power of intention can also
be used.
So sometimes I have clientsthat will close their eyes and
they will use a sense of imageryof all of these emotions that I
found.
I imagine them leaving my heartspace.
They say it out loud.
I give my body permission tolet this go.
(28:37):
I have some clients that chooseto tap on different radian
points because the EFT emotionfreedom technique that's known
to help release emotions fromthe body and then a lot of
practitioners use magnet therapy.
I chose not to go that routemainly because I wanted to find
a little bit more of an easiertransition into using this work
(28:57):
with my therapy clients.
To suddenly start using amagnet with them felt a little
weird, but the magnets do workin a lot of practitioners or
release emotions through magnets.
Dr. Carver (29:09):
Yeah, I know, in the first emotion code book he
taught, he explained how to usethe magnet and you draw it right
over your head.
And what is the mechanism ofthat?
Why would you draw it over yourhead?
What is that tracing?
So the main meridian, and whatis the mechanism of that?
Why would you draw it over yourhead?
What is that tracing?
Katie Kitzing (29:22):
So the main meridian in our body is the
governing meridian.
It starts about our lip and itgoes all the way down back down
your spine and it's that mainelectrical current in our body
and the way that it's describedit's when you take the magnet.
You could use the positive sideof a magnet and you have a
negative energy in your body.
It's almost as if you areerasing it, much like when you
(29:44):
put your.
Like someone takes your creditcard with a magnet, you can
clear the information on thecredit card.
It's like that, and sometimespeople don't even have a magnet.
They might even use their hands, because we have a lot of
polarity on our hands.
You could use your hands.
Sometimes people swipe on theirhands as well.
Dr. Carver (30:07):
but it is a true clearing from the positive
energy to the negative,neutralizing that information.
Yeah, and I think that's.
I love that analogy you justsaid with the credit card,
because a lot of people think,oh, that's so woo.
But yeah, how many times haveyou ever been to a hotel and you
put your stinking key cardright next to your phone and it
gets wiped?
Katie Kitzing (30:21):
out.
Dr. Carver (30:22):
So it's all about charge, yes, charge in our body.
Everything in the universe hascharge.
So that's what we're doing.
Emotions have charge, right,and this is how this works.
Just because you can't see theemotion doesn't mean it's not
there, right?
And that's where sometimes youhave to distend your belief.
Let it go a little bit and justbelieve, right, because how can
(30:43):
we read heart rhythm?
How can we read brainwaves?
Katie Kitzing (30:46):
It's all how do lie detectors work?
Right, these are all things ofthe electrical world, the
frequency world, that we'reusing, but I have found that I
had to work through some seriousmental blocks with going into
this work, because anything inthe energy world, anything that
God created, the enemy will useto pervert.
(31:06):
And so what?
I think the average person thatI know with the circles that
I'm in here's the word energyand here's the word frequency,
and they go straight towitchcraft, they go straight to
new age, and I was like, oh mygosh, is this the world I'm
walking into?
And I really had to look at itfrom a scientific perspective
and recognize it for what it isand it is.
(31:29):
Everything is energy andfrequency and we can use it to
bring restoration in our body,and I'm so thankful for that.
Dr. Carver (31:37):
When I started learning this.
It doesn't have to be religionversus science.
This is what made me believe inJesus is because I'm like, okay
, I was so scientificallyoriented going through all my
schooling and I was like I wasbrought up Christian too and
thinking, yeah, jesus, oh, okay,these people are making this.
But then you think about energyand I was like he was like the
(31:58):
premier energy healer.
It made me just believe in thiseven more, that they don't have
to be separate.
But one.
God and energy and all of thistogether and I was like, wow,
okay, I really can get on boardwith all of this now, not just
imagine that these things happen, because it's a good story.
But hey, I can see with thepower.
(32:19):
I've seen it time and timeagain this energy healing.
I think it's a good story, buthey, I can see with the power.
I've seen it time and timeagain, this energy healing.
I think it's fascinating tothink like this and what.
When you talk about thatgoverning meridian, it makes me
think of two in the mouthsometimes when we have metals
that cross over.
If you have a metal partial onthe top of your mouth for graces
or any kind of wire across thetop teeth, that kind of is
(32:42):
interrupting that smooth energyflow of that governing meridian.
We also talk about, like tongueposture.
Having that tongue on the roofof the mouth is connecting.
Right, the governing meridianwould be a conception vessel.
Right so there's one down thefront of the body, one down the
back would be a conceptionvessel.
Right, so there's one down thefront of the body, one down the
back, and that part on thepalate is where those two energy
(33:05):
pathways connect.
So I moved away from doing anymetal crossing the midline.
Right, it's on one side orother, not as much, but when it
specifically crosses the midlinewe can see interruption in
cerebral spinal fluid and thatenergy.
So it's really interesting.
So I'm like oh, I try to avoidthat in all possible cases.
Right, a lot of people mighthave wires in front of the teeth
(33:26):
.
So take out the metal and wecan use fibers now, which is
great, so we don't have thatinterruption in the energy.
People don't think about that.
Well, the metals in their mouthright, when we have dissimilar
metals, we have an electricalcurrent going on there.
This is all related and reallyinteresting how it all comes
together there, fascinating tothink about.
Katie Kitzing (33:45):
I know my husband has wires in down his spine
from a previous surgery that hehad and it was connected to this
little thing right there in hisbody and while he got part of
this removed from his body,those wires are still in there
and I often think, gosh, what isthis doing to the electrical
flow in his entire body?
(34:05):
Even though the doctors sayit's not going to do anything,
it's not affecting you, you havechronic back issues, you have
chronic low energy.
I can't help but wonder aboutthat.
Dr. Carver (34:16):
Yeah, I mean it's fascinating when you think about
all it and how everything workstogether.
In traditional scientific world, you know that energy doesn't
come into play, even thoughthey'll use the energy to listen
to the look at the heart andlook at the brain.
It hasn't quite gotten that far, but it's surprising more in
the main media it is now becausepeople are looking for answers
(34:37):
because conventional is onlygetting them so far.
People are looking for answersbecause conventional is only
getting them so far.
So, we're seeing this.
Think about all the wearablespeople have today.
Katie Kitzing (34:45):
Right To be able to track your heart rate
variability and your sleep andall this stuff, which is awesome
.
Dr. Carver (34:49):
I love trying to teach people to be their best
doctor, right?
You are the only person whoknows your body.
You know the way you're feelingand thinking and all this.
So having all of this kind oftechnology.
There's pluses and minuses totechnology, obviously, but it's
nice that there's thisavailability so we can track our
own health and try to catchthese things before they become
(35:11):
so massive that they're morechallenging to deal with.
And I wanted to bring you on sowe could talk about this other
aspect, right, the emotional,the spiritual, all of that.
With that and becoming aware ofthat when we're dealing with
some chronic issue, is therealso?
Yes, there may be toxicities,but is there the underlying
emotional issue why we can't getover the hump?
(35:32):
And it's wonderful, it doesn'thurt, it's not invasive, you can
do it from the comfort of yourown bed, katie's way out on the
West Coast.
I'm on the East Coast and sothat's great.
The whole idea of being able touse Zoom and all these
different modalities.
Now we can get the best of allworlds.
We don't have to be in a cityExactly it's brain breaking.
Katie Kitzing (35:54):
It's brain breaking.
I thought I don't evenunderstand the ins and outs of
quantum entanglement, and yetthat's the mechanism used here
for me to do a distance testwith another person on the East
Coast Unbelievable, unbelievable, and I'm so thankful for it,
because then there isn't abarrier for someone to get
(36:16):
healing, and I'm so grateful.
Dr. Carver (36:25):
Yeah, me too.
It is amazing we didn't eventouch on that, like we don't
even have to be in the same room, which is really, again what
creates that ability to get allthis work, no matter where you
are.
So why don't you tell us alittle bit more about your Honey
, holistic Health and how, ifsomebody was interested, how
would they work with you orlearn more?
Katie Kitzing (36:40):
Yes, so I work at a small wellness center called
Honey Holistic Health and it wasoriginally a place where Andrea
Espinoza she is a nutritionresponse therapist, so she does
all the nutritional side,checking out the physical health
of your body and then I came onboard and I do the emotion and
body code and I also do mentalhealth therapy for clients in
(37:01):
Washington, and so for those whoare interested in exploring
both the nutritional roots andthe emotional roots to whatever
symptoms they have, that's whatleads them to come to Honey
Holistic.
Our website ishoneyholistichealthcom and Honey
Holistic Health is also whereyou can find us on Facebook or
Instagram as well.
Dr. Carver (37:23):
Awesome, katie, this has been wonderful.
Thank you so much again fortaking time so early in your day
to come and educate all of us.
Again, I can't tell you how muchI've loved working with Katie.
She's really helped me in somany ways and she's just a
wonderful human being with awonderful heart.
So I definitely encourageeverybody to check out Emotion
(37:44):
Code, body Code, learn a littlebit more about it, and maybe
it's that missing piece of thepuzzle for you.
So I hope you all enjoyed thisepisode.
Please let us know what othertopics you'd like to hear about,
and otherwise we'll see you allon the next episode.
Have a great day.
Katie Kitzing (38:00):
Thank you so much .
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