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August 11, 2024 45 mins

Unlock the secrets of biologic dentistry with Dr. Judson Wong as he shares revolutionary insights into the use of lasers for dental care. Discover how lasers can stimulate electrons and boost ATP production to enhance healing, reduce pain, and elevate your dental health. Explore their transformative applications in procedures like extractions, where they minimize trauma and contamination, ensuring optimal patient outcomes.

Preparing patients with chronic conditions for major oral surgeries requires more than just surgical expertise. Dr. Wong emphasizes the crucial role of a local healthcare "quarterback" in managing overall health. Learn about the vital nutrients—vitamin K2, iodine, magnesium, and more—that are essential for recovery, especially given the nutrient depletion in modern diets. This episode underscores the importance of targeted supplementation to ensure proper healing before and after significant medical procedures.

Ozone therapy and IV protocols are game-changers in optimizing healing, and Dr. Wong dives into these topics with practical advice. From affordable home ozone machines that offer multiple health benefits to a specific IV protocol designed for post-surgery recovery, this segment is packed with actionable insights. Lastly, we introduce the Holistic Dental Academy's online platform, offering evidence-based courses on holistic dental practices curated by Dr. Wong himself. Tune in for a wealth of knowledge that could transform your approach to dental health and overall healing.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, welcome back to another episode

(00:02):
of the Root of the Matter.
I am your host, dr RachelCarver, and I'm very excited.
Today we have Dr Judson Wong,who I would consider one of my
mentors.
He has taught me quite a bitabout biologic dentistry and
it's always a really fun time.
He's created a whole curriculumfor people like me who are
really wanting to learn moregreat hands-on.

(00:23):
He's just an all-around awesomehuman being.
Thank you so much, judson, forcoming on and teaching our
audience a little bit some moreabout biologic dentistry, how we
can have the healthiest mouthpossible.
Maybe you could start with justtelling us how you got into
more of this biologic fromtraditional dentistry.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Well, how long we got .
That's a long one, I know.
In a nutshell, I got to givecredit where credit is due.
I think everything that I am,everything that I do, I owe to
Providence.
I think he is the grand chessplayer and has all of our best
interests in mind and I justhope I can be in the right place
at the right time for the rightperson.
In a very small nutshell,there's a synopsis.

(01:07):
God is good.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
That's right.
So I thought maybe we've hadsome other biologists on talking
about stuff and I came out lastJuly to visit you out in Utah
and we did a whole laser course.
We haven't really talked muchabout lasers before and why
they're so beneficial.
Lasers gets a hot topic andpeople think of these beams
beaming at you.
But maybe you can explain to usa little bit how lasers are

(01:31):
used in health and thenspecifically how we use it in
dentistry to create betteroutcomes.
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's all about light Speaking of about.
God the greatest light thatexists, I think he has allotted
us that one little piece of hisdivine power to actually wake up
every cell in the body, the waylasers work depending on the
wavelength.

(01:58):
Of course, they all have onething in common they're
stimulating electrons.
They're donating the spice oflife.
I love dr tenant jerry tenant'sbook healing his voltage.
We cannot heal unless we donateelectrons, one of the best ways
that we can donate electronsinto the body is.

(02:18):
When that light hits the cell,it stimulates the production of
more ATP, which is the energy ofthe cell.
It also stimulates more proteinsynthesis and in all of that it

(02:40):
decreases pain and increasesthe speed of healing.
There really is no downside tolaser treatment.
It can only be helpful if it'sused in the proper parameters.
Laser light should be measuredand delivered dose-wise, just
like a medicine.
Tylenol ibuprofen must haveappropriate dosages and Tylenol

(03:02):
ibuprofen those have appropriatedosages.
So as long as you provide theproper dosage, you're going to
get an excellent outcome withthe laser.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
So let's say we're doing an extraction.
How are you using the laser tohelp heal from an extraction?
So I'll use the laser start tofinish.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Actually, we'll use it pre-treatment, so actually
pre-anesthesia.
You can prevent the patientfrom actually feeling any of the
injection sensation by doingwhat's called the halt technique
, p-a-l-t pre-anesthesia lasertechnique where you're.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Very simply, I use the NDAG, the 1064 wavelength,
very simply for one minute.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
photobiomodulate In this case, you're inhibiting the
sensation of pain.
And patients don't even feelthe injection.
Now, fortunately, I'm to thepoint in my career now where I
don't treat a patient unlessthey're asleep, so I don't have
to worry about that.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
But if you've got a patient awake that is a huge
benefit.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Money cannot buy publicity that you will get from
patients that worry about yourinjection technique.
That's the first step.
When you do that, you are alsopre-treating every cell that
laser light touches.
You are also pre-treating everycell that laser light touches
Wherever photobiomodulationoccurs.
You get a decrease in theproduction of inflammatory

(04:34):
cytokines.
What that means basically isyou get a decrease in pain, the
most notable is.
TNF-alpha.
That's a very commoninflammatory cytokine that's
released after surgery.
When you use the laser youdecrease TNF-alginate, which
means you decrease pain, Plainand simple, In and totally.
And during the procedure let'ssay that we're doing an

(04:54):
extraction.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
You can also use the laser in this case.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
It would be the Erbium YAG on the platona to
separate the periodontalligament fibers between the
tooth and the bone.
As you do that you are, I don'twant to say atraumatically,
because any extraction istraumatic, but you're minimizing
the trauma by doing amicrosurgery Instead of having

(05:19):
this macro trauma.
It's like getting hit by a buspreventing that and actually get
hit by a fly instead that's alot easier to recover from and
get hit by the bus.
That's the power of lasers soyou can separate the cradle.
Look at the fibers tooth comesout.
Where I really think the powerof the laser shines, so to speak

(05:42):
, is with the post-extractioncontamination cleanup, removing
all of that debris, the deadtissue, the disease, shattering
every single one of thosemicrobes that's in that
extraction site.
The literature shows that ifyou do not take this extra step,

(06:06):
you will have the bacteriapersist at least three months in
those extraction sites.
So when we're consideringplacing immediate implants, it
is absolutely essential to doeverything that we can do to
make that site as pristine aspossible.
The first thing I'll do is use apiezo surge instrument,

(06:29):
actually macro-debride all ofthe periodontal ligaments, then
with the laser go in and cleanup all of that other
micro-material that we can't see.
And we do that with the SWEAPSprotocol.
I would have to pull up theacronym.
I'm terrible at rememberingthings that I can actually look
up.
My brain does a thing that sayswhy would I want to memorize

(06:52):
that you can look it up, it'sjust sweeps.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
We just call it sweeps.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Literally, you're sweeping away all of that
negative residue and getting itout of the patient's head.
And it is phenomenal to see andto feel If you put your finger
right next to that extractionsite and then you do the sweeps.
You've done this.
You know exactly how it feels.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
You can feel that laser energy stirring up,
sweeping out all of the debrisout of that extraction site or
cavitation site to help get ridof those inflammatory cytokines
get rid of the viruses, theparasites, the bacteria get them
out.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
So the body doesn't have to deal with that extra
step of healing.
So then, once it's clean andprofusely bleeding, of course
you hit it with the ozone togive it one final blessing.
And then put in your implant.
Prf whatever you're doing to doyour final healing process.
Once that step is complete, thenla pièce résistance as I call

(07:56):
it, or the French say the finalcapping stone is the
photobiomodulation.
The sooner you can get laserlight on a wound, the faster the
healing.
Isomodulation the sooner youcan get laser light on a wound,
the faster the healing is goingto be Immediately after your
surgical procedure.
Get a mark betweenphotobiointubation and
photobiomodulation, so around 10joules per square centimeter

(08:21):
dose into the site and then thehealing is in the patient's core
.
We send home every singlepatient with the red infrared
light.
I like USUI.
It's a very handy, portable,inexpensive instrument a patient
can take home and have in theirfirst aid kit and they use that

(08:44):
every day, trying to deliver atleast 5 joules, between 5 and
10 joules.
If you make it higher than that, then you're more in inhibition
rather than stimulation,healing, which is fine If
they're in pain.
You want an inhibitory dose.
And they're using that over atthe surgical site every day for

(09:05):
at least a month.
If they're osseointegrating, atleast three or four months.
So that's a very broad sense,my protocol how we use laser
light in an extraction orsurgical site.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
And it's fantastic, and this is the procedure and
the protocol that I learned too,and I just I still.
I've been doing it for yearsnow and I'm still just blown
away at the healing, the lack ofany post-op problems and even
in the patients who are full ofinflammation, have a lot of,
maybe, comorbidities.
It's just incredible when youuse something that God made for

(09:44):
all of us, right, there's thisnatural light that is so
important for all of ourselves.
We talk about circadian rhythmsand how we've got to get that
morning sunshine, and most of uswere just locked in like here I
am, it's a beautiful day in theNortheast and I'm sitting in my
basement in my podcast, but Ithank you for doing this.
We're done.
I'm out in that sunshine, yeah,so you've got nice light in the

(10:05):
back of you.
But again, I just I'm blownaway how great this light.
I had a patient yesterdayextracted number 32, which is a
lower wisdom tooth, and he saidmy wife just couldn't believe
how I could have a tooth out sobad and have zero pain and she
was wondering what are thesemagical techniques you're using?
I'm like, yeah, it's not somagical, it's really just light,

(10:26):
what we were, all you know bornto use, so it's just absolutely
incredible.
And then when you layer it withthe things like the ozone and I
love that.
I don't do it beforehand,though that's a new little
tidbit for me to do a little bitof that, because I do not put
my patients to sleep, you'llpractice even the next level.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
The more light we can pump into people, the better.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, no, it's exciting, and we have those, the
red lights too that we try toget, and everybody's in it.
I actually just recently mydaughter got injured playing
softball.
They're out there on thesidelines Give her ice and I was
like, oh, cringing.
And I was like, no, I pull outmy little red light and of
course, my daughter, she's getaway from me with that.
I know what's happening.
But then I wrote a letter tothe athletic director and sent

(11:11):
her some of the literature howthe whole idea of putting ice on
injuries has been debunked.
We should not be doing that.
Yes, it decreases swelling, butit also then inhibits the good
cells from coming and doing thehealing, so it takes longer to
heal.
So I sent her off crickets,crickets.
I have heard nothing back and Isaid I will even buy the school

(11:32):
some of these red lights.
This is so amazing, this isgreat technology, nothing.
So, whatever, I'm trying.
We are just dentists right.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
What do we know?

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Exactly, exactly.
So I'm like.
I'm like, look, in PubMedthere's I can't even remember
what the number was how manytens of thousands of articles
right about red light orphotobiomodulation.
They've different kind oflabels, whatever they're,
because they're differentfrequencies.
A little bit red light, thenwe've got the near infrared, far
infrared.
People are familiar with saunasand we know how that works too.

(12:03):
So again the same thing themore energy that our body has,
the better we're able to healfrom pretty much anything.
And I think that's what'sexciting, because those of us
who are in this biologicphilosophy we understand and
deeply believe that the body hasthe innate ability to heal
itself, deeply believe that thebody has the innate ability to

(12:28):
heal itself.
So we aren't trying to come inhere and change mother nature.
We're trying to enhance theability to remove some of the
obstacles that make it difficultfor our body to heal and
support the natural healing ofthe body.
This is why I like homeopathic.
The patient I was just talkingabout, he was like amazed by the
Arnica.
We give all of our patients alittle pellet of Arnica before
they leave and have them take itfor a few days afterwards, and

(12:50):
he's felt amazing.
He said do you think my wifewould benefit from that with her
arthritis.
I said, absolutely, like itdoesn't hurt, you try it.
I said they make all sorts ofArnica creams.
That's a big, very popular one.
But it was like this is what wewant to do.
We use things that don't have alot of side effects because,
again, we're not trying to stopa bodily function, we're trying

(13:12):
to enhance the natural, and so Ithink that's what's, that's
what's exciting about all thiskind of stuff and it's
beneficial.
We've all benefited from these,even my kids, who gripe all the
time.
They'll feel sore and they'relike where's the red light?
We have every iteration of it,right, we have panels and we
have the handhelds and we havethe wraps and you name it.
So every body part may need alittle something different.

(13:34):
But you know, light is sobeneficial, I love it.
So let's maybe shift gears alittle bit.
You have a lot of people who'vebeen doing this a long time.
Very have a great reputationfor really doing wonderful work.
So people travel to see you anda lot of people who are
traveling may be really sick.
Right, they have triedeverything and fortunately maybe

(13:57):
they found a medicalprofessional who understands the
impact of the oral cavity onthe rest of the body and they
know of you so they'll sendpeople to you.
Is there?
I got asked this at a conferenceI was at a couple of weeks ago.
If we want to prepare, so saywe're somebody who has chronic
fatigue or fibromyalgia, whichwe've talked about before, in my

(14:19):
opinion is just like anoverload of toxicity, right, and
a low energy state, rightSomebody like that.
Sometimes we worry if we do amajor surgery we're taking out
teeth or cleaning out theseosteonecrosis areas are they
going to get sick?
Are we going to push them?
Or we're taking out the amalgamfillings, or if we're exposing
them to things, is their bodygoing to handle it?

(14:42):
So maybe talk a little bitabout somebody like that.
Do you do some of the pre-op ordo you talk with their
physicians?
Tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yes and yes.
I think there are threequestions in that.
Definitely, it takes a wholevillage to help these patients
get better.
We can't do it all on our own,especially if they're coming out
of state.
They need some local support,and so I always recommend that
these patients have aquarterback, somebody that is in
charge of their overall health,whether it's a naturopath, a

(15:14):
nurse practitioner anotherdentist that has naturopathic
training.
It doesn't matter who, as longas they have the overall
understanding and wherewithal toquarterback this patient's
treatment.
That being said, I like to beas involved as possible, and by

(15:35):
involved.
I know from 25 years ofpractice and from the continued
research that I do, the basicbuilding blocks that every body,
every physical body, needs toheal, and I made up a very
simple list of those essentialnutrients and I sent it with

(15:55):
every patient.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
And sometimes they'll say, oh well, my naturopath has
all of these covered.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
I say that's fine.
Compare the list of what you'recurrently taking with the list
that.
I sent you and if you're notcovering all of the bases, fill
in the gaps, because all ofthese are essential.
Our food supply is depleted inthe United States Thanks to
Monsanto and all of these.
I'll probably go home and myhouse is blown up for saying

(16:22):
that.
Monsanto and all of these.
I'll probably go home and myhouse is blown up for saying
that, but all the GMO crapthat's going on.
Our food supply is a disasterand, according to published
literature, we cannot get enoughnutrients unless we supplement.
So supplementation, in myopinion, is absolutely essential
to regaining and maintaininghealth.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
So I'll go down this list here I've got it up because
it's one of those things Ican't remember every single
thing on the list.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
But some of the absolute crucial nutrients.
Going back to Dr Weston Price,activator X, right, vitamin K2.
How many people are eatingnatto every day?
Nobody.
It's like asking how manypeople are eating seaweed to get
their daily iodine dose Nobody.
Look, there are two nutrientsthat most Americans are
deficient Iodine 90% Americansare deficient.

(17:22):
That's according to publisheddata in the United States
government and you know if it'spublished by the government it's
an underestimate.
So you get to iodine, thevitamin K2, so many benefits of
the vitamin K2.

(17:43):
And I'm not talking aboutdosages recommended by the usrda
.
I'm talking about what'sconsidered a mega dose 15 to 45
milligrams per day, notmicrograms which is the usrda
milligrams some of the otherabsolute essentials.
One of my favorite authors ofall time right, dr Tom Levy
phenomenal book on magnesium.

(18:05):
So many ailments in humankindcould be eliminated if people
would very simply get 500milligrams of magnesium a day.
Everybody's deficient.
What are some other crucial?
One of my absolute favorites toget the terrain prepared for
surgery is resveratrol 350milligrams a day.

(18:26):
It is a powerhouse.
The most common source of thatis from Japanese knotweed who
knew right?
But that's a very common sourceand it's a powerful way to
actually scrub the interiorlining of the gut and get a lot
of that bile film out and helpget those leaky gut junctions

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tightened back to their original, healthy form.
Other favorites I loveN-acetylcysteine.
Talk about a wonderful way toget all of the junk out of the
trunk.
N-acetylcysteine is theprecursor for glutathione.
Glutathione is our body's fiberdemand.
In order for glutathione towork, we've got to have vitamin

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C, which unfortunately, asmammals we don't produce every
day, so we've got to supplementwith it Three to five grams once
or twice a day.
Nobody's getting that amountunless they're supplementing
with it.
You've got to eat literally awhole bag of oranges to get that
amount and you don't want tosuffer the blood sugar spike by

(19:30):
doing that.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Some other of my favorites.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
EPA and DHA, absolutely essential to build
bone.
If we don't have thoseessential fatty acids, most
commonly obtained through fishoil high-quality fish oil then
bad news.
This is my current favoriteright now from Designs for
Health.
I believe that's it.
Yep, they're high-potencyomega-L.

(19:55):
Fantastic.
A couple of those in themorning, a couple at night
You're getting more than enoughto do all of that healing
process.
Every cell in the body issurrounded by a cell membrane,
two layers thick right,predominantly made of fat, but
the fats that we're ingestingare substandard, then our cells

(20:17):
are going to be wrapped inplastic.
And then things can't get insidethe cells or out of the cells
that are supposed to, and thenthe body can't heal.
All of this goes back to DrTennant's book.
Healing is Voltage,foundational.
If you want to change your life, change your career, change
your family's lives, get andread that book.

(20:37):
It's phenomenal.
And you want the spiral-boundone, not the Reader's Digest
version.
Some other things of myfavorites to get people prepared
.
If their vitamin D levels arelow, get them up.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Get them out in the sunshine.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Anything less than 50 nanograms per milliliter is
deficient, according to theMcCullough and the Vitamin D
Council d council.
Now I know there's a lot ofdebate and hubbub about vitamin
d being in rat poison and allthese different things and I say
basically listen too much ofanything is toxic.
Too much sunshine makes thedesert it gives you sunburn, too

(21:17):
much water you'll drown.
There's, but all of thosethings are essential for life.
Moderation is the key.
Look at the literature.
What does the literature,published literature, recommend?
There was a recent study out ofGermany talking about specific
dosages of vitamin D accordingto your blood type Monumental

(21:41):
study, landmark study and I wishI could remember those exact
things without pulling up thestudy, but it's in the file.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
We'll look it up.
We can attach it to the shownotes.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Look it up.
Okay, what else?
One of my favorites hereSauerkraut, kimchi.
Fermented foods are the bestsource of probiotics known to
man, much better than anythingyou can get in a bottle.
So ferment your own veggies.
Dr Mercola has a whole or he did, at least until the government
took down his website.

(22:13):
A whole section on fermentedfoods and absolutely I'd
recommend doing that for gettingyour probiotics.
Quercetin what a powerhouse tohelp get nutrients inside the
cells.
Phenomenal supplement, whichyou can actually find in fresh
fruits and vegetables.
I'm scanning through the listhere to see any other absolute

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essentials.
Those are the high points.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
If people are not preparing the terrain with those
, they will not be ready and Iwon't do surgery If they have
not been doing their homework.
I won't treat them because Idon't want to set myself up for
failure.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
So, they've got to do their part, and part of that,
according to my protocol, issupplementation getting the gut
ready so they can do that.
another crucial component toprepare the terrain is ozone in
particular, and this is not avery popular component,

(23:14):
especially with my kids.
I really don't get it yet, butI talk to them about rectal
insufflation, right, I tellpeople you want to use ozone
wherever you have a hole in yourbody.
It's that simple, right.
And the most powerful place todo that is rectal.

(23:34):
Rectal ozone insufflation is aseffective as an IV ozone it
takes less than five minutes andcontrary to the IV ozone, it'll
only cost you about a quarter.
Iv ozone is probably I don'tknow three or 400 bucks,

(23:55):
depending on where you are inthe country, and you can do
rectal intubation in the comfortof your own home.
So I have a strong proponent ofthat, especially getting people
ready to get the junk out ofthe trunk, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Thank you, I am 100% on board and I agree.
We talk about that all the timeon the podcast is our food.
I was just talking with apatient the other day.
It's my team members talkingabout how even all these health
food brands they're gettingbought out by big food, right?
And so these brands they werelike.
At least I know if I use thisfood, I'm covered.

(24:32):
Not so much anymore.
It is, unless you're raisingyour own animals and growing all
your own, and even then ourwater supply, our food supply,
the soil, everything has becomeso deficient They've found
glyphosate or Roundup in theArctic, right in the Antarctic.
It's everywhere.
So that is.
I 100% agree that even ifpeople come to me all the time

(24:54):
and I talk about this and I eathealthy.
And I say what does that mean?
Everybody's version of healthyis very different and we're all
different, you know, and some ofus may thrive eating other
different things, but the key isthose minerals and the fat
soluble vitamins we really need,though.
That is the foundation of health.

(25:14):
This is what Weston Price,almost 100 years ago, discovered
when he traveled all over theworld and found the healthiest
populations, and that's what hesaw, even though their diets
were very different.
The foundation was the minerallevels and the fat salvo.
I had a patient yesterday.
She said oh, I just gotdiagnosed with osteoporosis and
I'm on taking D3 now.
And I said are you taking thatwith K2?

(25:36):
And she's I don't know.
I said it's kind of frustratingin today's day and age Like now
.
Now, a lot of times you'll seethem together now because the
companies are smartening up,they're reading the literature
Hallelujah, that we know.
And I said D3, it's good, butif you don't take your magnesium
, you don't take the K2, youdon't have any vitamin A.
That calcium isn't going to getinto your bones and into the

(25:58):
teeth.
No single vitamin or mineralworks by itself right.
Everything is a lovely danceand to have everything in the
right balance for things to workproperly, and it's frustrating
that a lot of the medicalestablishment they're just not
aware of that they really get nonutrition backgrounds.
We talk about magnesium.
That's probably the biggest onewe talk about to my magnesium.

(26:21):
You need, and agree, at least500 milligrams a day of
magnesium and not necessarilythe magnesium citrate, because
sometimes a lot of people takethat to get their bowels moving
but you may not get the properdosage before you get the loose
bowels.
So I like more like theglycinate Not to go on.
Glycine is also a reallyimportant amino acid for the

(26:41):
liver.
We talked about NAC, which is aprecursor to glutathione super
important.
That's what your liver usesthat one of the major
antioxidants in our body toclear out all these toxins.
Like when you're coming tosomeone to judge and you're
trying to get rid of the crudthat's accumulated over the
years.
And if your liver is notworking properly, you're going

(27:01):
to have a hard time clearingthis stuff out.
And I think liver is often inwhen we talk about our health,
because we don't have greatmeasurement tools.
But it is key.
It's what protects our pancreas.
It's a big problem when we getgallstones right.
Everybody just take thegallbladder out and then you're
fine.
Where did those gallstones comefrom?
The liver?
Oh, you've got diabetes.
Just take this insulin.

(27:22):
The liver is supposed toprotect the pancreas, right.
So let's focus on those kinds ofthings and, again, getting that
nutrition and it's verychallenging in today's day and
age, but these are the mineral,this is the basis that we need
to do so when, as Judson, we'vetalked a lot about this to this
terrain, this idea of theenvironment in our bodies, when
it's healthier then these, whenwe go in and you have these

(27:45):
surgeries, your body's going tobe able to clean yourself out
much more easily.
You're going to heal faster,you're going to feel better
faster, you're going to avoidsome of the things that can
happen when we detox too fast inour bodies and prepare
Sometimes all these toxins thatget dumped in our lymph.
But if our lymph is so full ofall this other junk then we get
more tired, we have rashes, wehave all sorts of things.

(28:07):
So preparing is very important.
I'm also a huge proponent ofozone.
I love it and the rectal.
People go oh, don't putanything there.
But literally the tube is abouta quarter of the size of a
baby's pinky.
It is tiny, you really don'tsee anything and in three
minutes he lied down.
I agree it's a fantastic way toprepare that train give you

(28:31):
some oxygen and, yeah, a heck ofa lot easier than the IV, even
though that's nice too, but yeah, it's more expensive.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Not real practical for everybody.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
So now we're prepped.
So now, what about post?
So we've had the surgery, we'vecleaned everything out.
Is there a specific protocol?
You, we were talking about thered light, so everybody gets
that red light.
Is there anything else that youhave people do in the following
days and weeks?

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yes, a couple things.
I want to touch on the ozone.
Absolutely Every patient thatwalks out of our door at least,
has had the recommendation toget a home ozone machine.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
And they're pretty affordable now.
They're not terrible.
Get the whole setup for about$1,500.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Very reasonable, then they're only consumable is
refilling the tank every year ortwo, which is $40 or $50.
$1,500 investment in a firstaid kit that will literally save
your life.
Rectal insufflation saved mylife when I had COVID, literally
.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
When people tell me oh, it's too inconvenient.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I'm like, listen, you want to literally have
something that can save yourlife.
Make the investment okay.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Because you can also do the nasal insufflation.
There's so many things.
You can ozonate water, thenasal inflammation, that
insufflation.
Every time my kids get a cold,boom, you're going downstairs,
you're doing the ozone machineand it's again.
It's such a small.
Yes, $1,500 can be a lot, butif you think about it over the
lifetime and how valuable it isbecause who knows when the next

(30:10):
toxin is coming down the linelet's be prepared.
We know the people who arehealthier, the people who had
the healthier train.
They was a little blip, alittle cold, whatever it was.
So if you're concerned aboutanything that might be coming,
prepare yourself with, obviously, eating and exercise and
sunlight and all that stuff.
But having something like ozoneis a life changing, life saving
device.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Literally a lifesaver .
Yep Speaking of the ozone oneof the things that I will
routinely recommend for patientspost-surgery is we call it
Nozone Straight ozone gas in a10cc syringe.
Slowly inject it into the sinuscavities of the head and neck

(30:52):
Great way to prevent aninfection, especially if you've
done a sinus lift or had heavenforbid a perforation, one of
your maxillary teeth extractions.
It happens all the time.
It'll heal.
It'll heal faster with ozone.
So the ozone machine absolutelyis top of the list, along with
the red light.
Postoperative healingmodalities is top of the list,

(31:16):
along with the red lightpost-operative healing
modalities, right along thatpost-operative healing modality
is also included the day ofsurgery and the day before
surgery Every patient receivesany surgical intervention in our
office, even if it's oneextraction.
They get an IV the day before,the day of and the day after,
and in that IV we do a high-dosevitamin C, not ultra-high dose

(31:40):
20 grams, 20 to 25 is adequate.
We add 1 to 2 grams ofmagnesium, either magnesium
chloride or magnesium sulfate.
We add 1 to 2 cc's of 1 or 2%of Procaine to help get the
teeter totter balanced out.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
I also add.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Azithromycin 500 mg day before, day after.
The reason for that is it'ssupported by the literature
first off and it preventspost-operative infection.
It bypasses the gut becausewe're doing it via IV and it has

(32:20):
anti-inflammatory properties.
Huge benefit it is a gamechanger, also in the IV.
All of this is in 500 cc's ofRinger's Lactate, so I think I
covered everything in there.
Oh dumb.
Four to eight milligrams per IVbag, depending on the size of

(32:42):
the patient.
Dexamethasone is a phenomenalshort-term way to keep the
inflammation in control.
You're not getting a mega doseto completely wipe out the
body's ability to heal, butyou're getting just enough to
keep the traumatic injury thatyou're causing with the surgery

(33:06):
to be within a healing range.
Phenomenal godsend to dentistry.
It's about 75 times as potentas cortisol without the toxicity
of adding cortisol to an IV.
Cortisol or portazone eitherone of those Fantastic Game
changer, those IVs are amazing.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
I won't do surgery without those IVs.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
It's that important.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
And just that.
When you have the antibioticthrough the IV, sometimes we
worry, oh, we're going todestroy all of our gut
microbiota.
It's so important, and justthat.
When you have the antibioticthrough the IV, sometimes we
worry, oh, we're going todestroy all of our gut
microbiota.
It's so important.
But why is it different whenyou get in the IV?

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Because you're not going, you're not passing.
As opposed to say, the oralantibiotic.
It goes through the gut.
All of your gut lining and yournormal flora are exposed to all
of that.
Antibiotic, as opposed to an IB.
Yeah, you're probably going tohave a little bit of effect in
the gut, but it's not going tobe like napalm which you get

(34:04):
with the oral antibiotic so ahuge difference there, and it's
for three days.
Azithromycin has substantivity,so it around, so you don't have
to give as much for as long.
Three days is more thanadequate.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, that's one of my favorite ones to give because
it is shorter course and it ismore specific, kind of for the
oral bugs.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, I'm a big fan, yeah and although it is specific
for the oral bugs, it coversbroad spectrum of all of those
oral bugs.
Exactly Right, so you don'thave to send five or six
different antibiotics to get thesame effect.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, yeah, I agree Great, we've got pre, we've got
during, we've got post.
These patients are doing reallygreat.
And what kind of things do youthink that when you do some of
these surgeries, is theresomething very common that comes
to you like a specific symptomor disease that seems to be

(35:03):
cleared away more easily when weget the oral cavity cleared up?
Or is it just a variety ofdifferent things?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
I would say that there are three biggies that
most people report first offenergy levels always improve
when you get rid of the vitalburden that oral infection
creates in the body the second Inotice is gut function and that

(35:32):
goes without saying if you readlast year alone there were over
a thousand articles publishedon the oral systemic connection
one year or a thousand how manyof our colleagues are reading
those?
Not enough, unfortunately.
But when you swallow all ofthat toxic material?

Speaker 1 (35:54):
that bio burden.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
It disrupts this delicate flora that's going on
in the colon, in the smallintestine and even the stomach
to some degree and when youdisrupt that natural balance you
tip that into a state ofsympathetic overdrive.
People cannot heal insympathetic.
They have to be inparasympathetic and rest and

(36:19):
digest, getting the mouthcleaned up, getting all those
toxins and bacteria out and thebyproducts, the
lipopolysaccharides all thatjunk out of the trunk, the gut
normalizes right.
The good bacteria can flourishbecause they're not having to
compete with those bad bacteria.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
And most disease.
In my opinion, it's toxins andinfections, right, and so we
manifest them and we get labeledwith these different diseases.
But at the root is exactly whatyou're saying because the
infection toxins wreck ourmitochondria, so we have no
energy, right, the gut, thewhole microbe, we get dysbiosis,
we can't absorb our nutrientsanymore.
So this is amazing, right.

(37:02):
So it doesn't again matternecessarily what your label is.
When you heal at this basiclevel, your labels can go away,
right.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Exactly.
And it is all about the gut Ifthe the gut is healthy.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
The rest of the body can be healthy if the gut is not
healthy, guaranteed you aregoing to have disease somewhere
in the body.
Right guaranteed, take it tothe bank yeah, we know, the gut
is like one cell layer thick.
Right your immune system,everything's right there, so it
has to be so we can absorb thosenutrients.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, three things I talked about.
We talked about the energylevels, the gut yes, gut
function, and then brain fog,yep, huge big one.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, I've been working with dale bredesen's
recode program on that whole, orthey have.
Dr bredesen has recognized thatoral bacteria are a major
reason that we have dementia,right, and all these problems.
And how close is your mouth toyour brain?
I tell patients all the timeyou take a 3D cone beam and the
sinus and it's fascinating to mebecause patients never feel

(38:08):
anything.
And I said, well, look at thisabscess tooth.
I know you don't feel anything,but do you see how this is into
your sinus?
Do you know there's only a verythin membrane between the sinus
and the brain, like it's veryintimately connected.
There's so much researchshowing that oral bacteria can
be a contributing factor todementia and all other kinds of

(38:28):
brain issues.
So it's painful, right, nothinghurts.
So patients don't want to lose,and I get it.
It's stinging, you have to losea tooth, which is problematic,
but, geez, the consequence ofnot can be Better to stay alive.
My brother-in-law a month agodeveloped a brain abscess about
the size of three ping pongballs.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Okay, huge Right.
And he woke up one morning,thought he had some indigestion,
went into the bathroom.
He couldn't move the left sideof his body.
His wife said don't you thinkyou better get to the ER?
He said no, I'll just take someTums, I'll be fine.
So she drove him and did thecone beam or the MRI and they

(39:12):
saw this big brain abscess.
Where was it coming from?
Abscess tooth, oh Yep.
So got that out in a hurry andhe just now got.
Last week got a clean bill ofhealth that he can stop.
They got him onaround-the-clock antibiotics for
two months Holy cow, crazy.

(39:39):
Absolutely.
Tooth infections can beshowstoppers.
They're a big deal.
Just because it doesn't hurtdoesn't mean we can ignore it
absolutely.
High blood pressure doesn'thurt.
Diabetes doesn't hurt.
Fatty liver doesn't hurt.
Cancer doesn't hurt until itstarts destroying body parts.
Pain is not the only motivatingfactor.
Shouldn't be.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
I tell people all the time, like if you had a big red
bubble, the pus, on your arm,would you leave it there?
If it didn't hurt, you know youwouldn't leave it there, would
you?
They're like, well, probablynot.
Okay, same kind of thing.
And just explain to patientshow a tooth is an organ.

(40:18):
Most people just add it's justthere to chew my food.
But it's an organ just like allthe other organs in the body.
So we've got to treat it.
And anybody who's had a toothpain in their tooth, they know
there's a nerve in there, right,but there's all the other good
stuff too.
All right, we've talked aboutsome great stuff.
Is there any other informationyou'd like to leave the audience
with today?

Speaker 2 (40:35):
I always like to talk all day long.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
That's fantastic.
So any of you who are dentistsor medical professions out there
, judson has so much greatcontent out there and if you
want to come and hang out withhim it is such a blast to learn.
He has a great kind of yearlong way.
Every few months he's gotanother course and again just
really great in depth.

(40:58):
It's nice to talk with yourother colleagues, as everybody
has different levels ofexperience, so learning from
each other, which I think isreally important again, because
biologic dentistry isn'tnecessarily, it's not a
specialty, but again it's aphilosophy.
So we're all a little differentand and again, those people
who've been doing it longer canreally are really valuable for
those of us who are stilllearning.

(41:18):
And we learn so much from eachother's experience and we really
those of us in this fieldreally are on a mission to try
to create this awarenessthroughout the world so that we
know that there are solutions.
I think sometimes in theconventional medical world it's
doomsday you get this diagnosisand that's it.
You're the victim and say yourgoodbyes or whatever it is.

(41:41):
But there is when we reallyunderstand the root cause of a
lot of these issues, which again, in my opinion, really comes
down to that.
What's affecting thatmitochondria?
What are those toxins?
Where are those infections?
Sometimes easier said than done, but if we have that frame of
mind we can really target thoseissues and really create
wellness for not only ourselvesbut our families and, hopefully,

(42:02):
future generations.
I'd really like to reverse thewhole trend of our children
maybe living less than we will.
That's a scary statistic,considering we're such this
modern world and have so muchtechnology.
That should not be the case atall.
Judson, tell us a little bitabout where we can learn about
your content and how do we findout about your courses.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
You bet?
Very simple.
I've got two main sites.
One is hands-on learning.
That's here in my office inBantam Utah.
You can find out about thosecourses at
holisticdentaleducationcom.
Holisticdentaleducationcom.
And I do seven of those a yearJanuary, march, april, july.

(42:48):
The laser course actually iscoming up every July the full
week.
We go out on the boat for a dayand then do a day on zirconia
implants two full days,everything laser and then the
last day is dedicated to laserfacial aesthetics.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yes, I was the guinea pig, by the way, your skin
looks amazing.
Yes, it's fabulous.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
So that's in July and then in September your skin
looks amazing.
Yes, it's fabulous.
So that's in July and then inSeptember every year is ozone.
October we do sleep,orthodontic, orthopedic
expansion, night lays andnutrition digestion.
And then in November is sessionseven, and then that's when we
focus on regenerative dentistry.
How do we keep the teeth alive?

(43:34):
How do we regenerate pulp?
How do we prevent?
having to do all of those otherthings invasive procedures,
extractions and implants, and wealso talk a lot about digital
dentistry, cad, cam, 3d printing, everything digital.
That's a really fun course.
Those are all hands-on courses,literally.

(43:57):
You come and you are doingstuff with your hands at least
one of those two or three days,usually a lot more than that and
there's an online version,holisticdentalacademycom, and
that was launched in the lastmonth.
All of that hands-on is alsoavailable online.

(44:23):
Of course, it's not hands-onbecause it's online learning but
, all of the information isthere we've got plenty of
options for those that can'tmake it out to utah.
You want to get started?
Dive in online.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Great.
Yes, I highly recommend it.
Judson does so.
He does his due diligence.
Everything is backed up byevidence in the literature and
it's unbelievable how muchinformation he has amassed for
all of us.
So I thank you so much for thatand doing what you're doing and
teaching me, and I hopeeverybody gets a chance to check

(44:55):
it out and see you guys all onthe next episode.
Hope everybody has a wonderfulday.
See you next time.
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