What happens when a neonatologist applies the principles of neuroscience to everyday wellness? In this fascinating conversation with Dr. Edgar Vanderhorst, we explore the profound connections between brain science and self-care that are often overlooked in traditional medical education.
Dr. Vanderhorst shares his remarkable journey from international medical graduate to pediatrician and NICU specialist, revealing how his work with premature infants shaped his holistic understanding of human physiology. "When I have premature babies, all the organs are developed but they are not mature yet," he explains, highlighting how this specialized knowledge transfers to understanding wellness across all ages.
The discussion delves into practical aspects of infant care—from the crucial importance of nasal breathing for facial development to building trust with anxious parents. Dr. Vanderhorst's approach emphasizes making complex medical information accessible: "For me it's to simplify and give it in a way that can resonate and they can understand that information in a better way." This philosophy extends to his recently published book, "Wellness Optimizing Yourself," where he offers implementable tools for busy modern lives.
Perhaps most valuable is the "Back Horse Technique"—a simple breathing method Dr. Vanderhorst developed to maintain calm during high-pressure medical emergencies. This 4-2-6-2 breathing pattern (inhale four seconds, hold two, exhale six, hold two) demonstrates how clinical tools can be adapted for everyday stress management.
Throughout our conversation, Dr. Vanderhorst emphasizes the importance of curiosity and openness in healthcare. "If we don't start to ask the questions, how can we evolve as a society?" he challenges, advocating for a medical approach that embraces mind, body, and spirit. His perspective offers a refreshing reminder that true wellness comes not from rigid protocols but from understanding our unique physiological needs within the context of our individual lives.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, welcome back to another episode
of the Root of the Matter.
I am your host, dr RachelCarver.
Today we are privileged to haveDr Edgar Vanderhorst with us.
Dr Vanderhorst is apediatrician and neonatologist.
He's currently at theUniversity of Illinois in
Chicago at the Children'sHospital, doing a fellowship
(00:21):
there.
And Dr Vanderhorst has recentlyjust launched his book Wellness
Optimizing Yourself, where heblends neuroscience with
self-care habits.
So I'm very excited for you totell us a little bit about
yourself.
What's your book, how, being apediatrician, how you come to
think about wellness overall.
(00:42):
So why don't you tell us alittle bit about yourself?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Welcome.
Thank you so much for thatlovely introduction.
Yeah, honestly, for me, I'mfrom the Dominican Republic.
When I embarked on my journey tostart to study for the United
States Medical LicenseExamination, I started to
understand the connectionbetween neuroscience and
wellness.
Why?
Because when you have to takestep one, it's basic science.
(01:06):
You have to dig in thephysiology, anatomy on the whole
body.
With that background thephysiology, and then it's really
hard because as internationalmedical graduate you had to
outstain your score, you had todo medical missions, you had to
have little recommendations.
So that journey took me tounderstand something deeper in
(01:28):
our body.
When I started to understand,like when I started to embark on
the wellness practice I saidthis resonated with me because I
was understanding, like how onepart talk about meditations
work in our body, likeactivating patterns, patterns
impacting the resistance, howour nutrition balance ourselves,
how exercise, how our brain ormindsets work with that part.
(01:52):
And when I started here I didmy pediatric residency at New
York, mount Sinai, and then I'mcurrently doing my fellowship of
neonatologist with the NICU,with premature babies.
I started to understand that asa pediatrician, I'm not only
treating kids or prematurebabies, I'm impacting family.
(02:13):
The role that I play is givinginformation to the family how
they can raise the loved one,but at the same time, most of my
patients in the NICU they don'ttalk to me.
I need to understand thephysiology of the body, how the
body works and, in that part,understanding how our body works
, because when I have prematurebabies, all the organs are
(02:35):
developed but they are notmature yet, meaning that I need
to understand how the organswork, how the system in their
body works, and then I need toimprove it.
I need to make our environmentto make them feel well so they
can develop.
So in my field, when I talk toparents, there's a lot of
(02:55):
information out there andsometimes I need to make sure
that they have the informationthat they need and they can
digest those informations,because at the same time you
have a lot of information, it'shard for you to understand which
one I need to pick, which one.
It would be feasible.
But my point is, if youunderstand what you are doing
(03:17):
and how our body works, it'sgoing to be more feasible and
easy to you to help and raiseyour loved one.
So for me, that that feelingpediatrician was what made me
touch myself.
To understand my role here isnot only training kids.
That's why I started to dowellness lectures in my hospital
(03:39):
in New York and also here inChicago, because I want to bring
an awareness of hearing thehealthcare system.
It's not only treating patients.
We have a role in this fieldand the role that we make in
this field.
It's something that we shouldbe aware and, at the same time,
we also need to be consciousabout what we talk, what we say
(04:03):
and the things that we prescribeto patients and we talk to
people.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I think that's wonderful, and the word doctor
literally translates to teacher,and so that really is our role.
Not the average person is notgoing to medical school, right,
and doing residency is all thesethings.
They don't necessarily havethat background information, but
they understand their bodies,they know what it feels like to
feel well, and so we I alwaystalk to my patients as being a
(04:33):
partner here I'm going to bringmy expertise and then again,
each person has a uniquelifestyle environment.
Each person has a uniquelifestyle environment, genetics,
and so I love what you'resaying, that it's looking at the
whole family, right, and it'snot just about the physiology
and how this little nutrientgoes onto that receptor and then
(04:56):
all these things happen.
Right, it's the whole world,like you mentioned.
It's mindset, right.
There's so many differentthings.
What are the stress levels?
And obviously having a child ina NICU is super stressful,
right.
So those parents, they're soworried about that child being
well and, as a doctor, if youcan provide the background and
(05:19):
here are the things that aregoing to help you, help the
child I think that's invaluable.
So I really applaud you forgetting into this because and
it's really interesting yourjourney, right it wasn't a
typical American medical school.
Right, you actually had to doso much more and you had to see
how the whole body workstogether and understand that
concept.
So that's wonderful.
Your patients are so lucky tohave you and so when you're
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thinking about as a pediatrician, you're counseling the parents.
Are you talking to them aboutnutrition?
Maybe give us a few examples ofhow you are talking to them
about wellness and the best wayto raise a child who maybe
started off with less than idealconditions at birth.
(06:04):
Yeah, perfect.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So normally I normally start with the parents
when they get the newborn andthey're happy in the journey.
I always talk to them like Ineed to build the trust, because
in order for patients to listento the doctor, you have to
build that trust and as apediatrician, if they don't
trust me, they won't follow myadvice.
So I build that trust becausethey had to see me like a
(06:27):
connector, someone that they canreally rely on because they
really love.
This is the loved one that theywant the best for them.
So I really started to talkabout congratulations and I
started to talk about oh, tellme what your support system,
your different factors that youhave at home.
Why?
Because, honestly, in the firsttwo weeks we have heard about
(06:51):
the postpartum bloom it'sbecause women they shut down
different hormones.
They worked for estrogen toprogesterone.
Right now it's shut down toprolactin.
That stop all the otherhormones.
They don't sleep why?
Because maybe you have to feedevery two to three hours.
They're deprived of sleep atthe same time, and a baby that
(07:12):
it's only crying because that'sthe only way they had to
communicate.
It's really stressful.
So I always say that's okay,that's a new journey you have,
but it's the most amazing at thesame time.
Why?
Because when you breastfeedyour baby, you have like
oxytocin that helps to connectwith your baby.
Okay, I always tell them, likethe poopoo, the stool will
(07:36):
change in color and that's whythe different microbiome the
first one will be black becausethat's it's sterile, meaning it
doesn't have any bacteria.
Later on, when you start to getyour breastfeed, it will be
black because it's sterile,meaning it doesn't have any
bacteria.
Later on, when you start to getyour breast, it will start to
change in color.
It's going to be like ayellow-green color.
Don't get scared, because a lotof parents get scared.
Oh, it's changing color.
I'd say that's okay, that'snormal.
(07:56):
And at the same time I toldthem you have to put some creams
on the diaper because eventhough that you change the
diaper very frequently,sometimes the stool can irritate
the skin.
So that's why I told like youhave different creams, desitine
and all this stuff, like if youwant to sleep, like when baby
(08:17):
sleep, mom need to sleep, sopartners need help with that
part.
I'd say what means?
Baby only breathe by the nosein the first four months.
So if they have nasalcongestion, you will hear like
different sounds and you'regonna get scared, that's okay.
I I gave different tools.
We had to go such a jackal toclean the boobies that they have
in the nose.
(08:37):
Sometimes they have differenttools that they buy on amazon
and they really tell me likedoctor, do you think this one's
unreliable?
I said, well, the brand did notpay me anything, but I can tell
you which one is morereasonable, that you can help to
take out the nasal congestion.
I say when baby feed, you feedlike 20 minutes each breast.
(08:57):
After that you have to burn thebaby wire because when they
swallow they also swallow earthand if they don't like, if they
don't know how to birth, if youdon't birth the baby for about
like 10 to 15 minutes, he willspeed up or vomit because that
air need to go out of the bodyat the same time.
So I started to give some toolsbut at the same time I do, I do
(09:18):
like I can say in a way thatthey trust me, they feel the
trust and they feel like, oh, Ican rely.
Because most of time if youhave a pediatrician and you
start to tell them like, oh, youcannot do this, you cannot do
this, they don't feel that trustand they sometimes they don't
want to tell you a few thingsthat they do for the baby, and
for me it's detrimental becauseI want you to, like, feel trust,
(09:39):
tell me anything.
Can I give this to my baby?
Because sometimes they say, oh,let me give it this.
I won't tell my doctor becausehe will tell me no.
So for me I'm like no, no, tellme and be awkward with me.
So that's the way I start totalk to them.
But for me I tell them all thisprocess, like, oh, the school
was changing colors, because Iunderstand the microbiome.
(10:00):
When I say, oh, you need tosleep, because I understand the
mental health of the mom, theyneed to be helping in order to
take care of the loved one.
You know I always say, oh, ifyou have anyone that can help
you at the same time, becausethis journey is amazing, but at
the same time I know it's hard.
Also, at the same time, whenthe baby goes to sleep, you want
(10:21):
the baby to sleep next to youBecause we, as a pediatrician,
we want to decrease studentinfant death syndrome.
Just because sometimes whenbabies sleep on the stomach, I
can say they turn around andthey close their nose and
student infant death syndromehappens.
There is some research, becausea lot of parents say I want to
sleep with my baby, okay, andthat's okay.
(10:43):
There is some research.
You can do it as long as you'renot really tired that you can
roll over the baby.
You know you can do it.
There's only things that youhave to be aware of, that and
those.
I'm really honest with all theparents and I'm telling all the
things that I know and why we doall these things and they
gather and they understand theway that I said.
But for me I start with thatpart to understand a little bit
(11:06):
about the different factors andenvironment that they have at
home, the support system and howthe mom feels at this point,
because I cannot start.
Okay, now you need to meditate,now you need to do exercise.
I go slowly and then, becausethey had to see me, we normally
say three to five days after thedelivery.
(11:27):
Then I need to see a one month,two months, four months and six
months.
Because we need to measure atthe very beginning weight.
We need to measure the mouth.
Mouth means how the baby isdeveloping motor skill, language
cue.
That's for us it's meunderstanding how the baby's
doing and at those visits Istart to dig in oh, tell me, how
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did your sleep routine?
Because your baby will have asleep routine at around two
months.
And then they jump around atfour months and they take it out
and then say I don't sleepovernight.
I say yeah, that's regression,because they start to develop
few things.
The sleep pattern will bedisrupted now, this time, but
that's okay, you can do it.
(12:11):
And then when maybe they hitthe corner, like I can say
around five, seven I always sayas a parent, you're the role
model.
They copy everything and theytaught everything that you said.
So at that point I started tosay tell me what you like to
read.
Like if you read to a baby attwo years old, three years old,
the more you read him, the morewords he learns, the better he's
(12:32):
going to speak.
Those kind of things start tointegrate in my conversation in
a different aspect, in differentvisits.
So that's how I assess thewellness and I assess the
different factors that caninfluence how this baby is going
to grow and how this baby willdevelop.
At the same time I give advicefor parents because sometimes
(12:53):
they are honest when they saythis is a hard journey.
Doctor, I always listen, I'mbeing empathetic and I'm telling
them you're doing the best,because I can see the result.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
All right.
Well, you talked about a lot.
I want to kind of go back andtalk about a few things.
So you mentioned that babiesinitially are only breathing
through their nose, and so thisis one of the what I see as one
of the main benefits ofbreastfeeding.
Yes, we get the breast milk andall that, but it's also
training the child.
(13:26):
We know for proper growth anddevelopment of the entire face
and brain and oral cavity, weneed to have good nasal
breathing.
So when you're breastfeeding,obviously the baby cannot
breathe through their mouthright.
It also helps the proper tongueformation to get onto the
palate and it's the tongue thatactually makes sure that the
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palate is wide enough and growsforward enough so that the teeth
aren't crowded, because todayalmost every child has crowded
teeth, the jaws are deficient,and so that's one of my big
reasons why I try to pushbreastfeeding.
Again, not everyone can do itand that's totally fine.
There's no judgment here.
But from a dental perspective,breastfeeding is is really
(14:10):
beneficial for for many reasons,and there are better bottles
out there, better nipples,nothing's the same but that,
that nasal breathing.
Maybe you can expound on that alittle bit about what is the
benefit of of nasal breathingfor brain development or just
overall health?
Do you, can you talk a littlebit about that?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
yeah, okay, every part of our body, like when you
have a newborn, but they, thephysiology, the nervous system
does, they have differentreflets.
If you put everything in themouth of the baby, they're gonna
suck because that's a reflet.
When they do nasal breathing,it's because that's the only way
that the baby will get like airand will have the gas exchange.
(14:50):
Ok, because they are at thispoint.
They need to, as you say,develop muscle, like the tongue,
some muscle.
So that's why, with the suckreflux, they need to feed
themselves and at the same timethey need to develop the oral
cavity.
They need to get stimulations,because that's the body needs
(15:12):
now for the brain to develop.
The brain needs oxygen.
Okay, because they need tocreate atp.
Atp it's adenosinetrisphosphate, it's the energy
that's the body use.
Okay, um, the body, the brain,to seep like.
They need glucose in order toconvert that glucose to
ATP-braining oxygen.
When you do nasal breathing,it's the part of the facility
for the cavity here, because wehave the sinus.
(15:34):
Not all the sinus are formedright away.
They start to develop later on.
The first one that it'sdeveloped, we'd say it's the
maxillary, then the frontal.
Later on we'd say it's themaxillary, then the frontal
later on.
But it's because that part,when those really are, for the
first four months they are nasalbreathing.
They start to develop.
So that's how the body shouldwork.
And later on in life you hearpeople that say, oh, I breathe
(15:56):
by the mouth, and also yourfacial structure change when
you're a mouth breather.
It's because you have changedhow it's supposed to be, how
your body is supposed to developin certain things.
So when we say, oh, baby, it'sonly nasal breathing.
That's how the body works, howthey need, in order to grow,
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different aspects, differentfeatures and structures of our
body in order to be raw.
That's the thing that we havein correlations.
But there is also differentreplates that baby have.
Baby have a replate, like whenyou grab him and the hamster,
they grab it.
So they have different cuesthat they start to.
We say, wait it out after thebaby start to develop mouse, as
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we call it in pediatricians.
Or this way reach the mouse onthe two months.
Because we call it inpediatricians, you know.
Or if they reach the mouse onthe two months, because we
understand how it needs to workand it's work better for brain
development.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
So you also mentioned the sudden infant death
syndrome controversy and talkabout how well maybe that's
related to having too manyvaccines or this and that as
your specialty.
Have you seen any correlationwith nutrition or anything that
also maybe predisposed the babyto it versus another?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
The only risk factors that we find out.
It was in 1994 that theystarted a campaign, ABC for
children with infant syndrome.
It was to change the positionof baby sleep.
When we talk about vaccines andnutrition, they haven't had any
correlations.
Why?
Because vaccines we havedeveloped new vaccines.
(17:39):
It's because to prevent somedisease that in the past have
high prevalence of mortality andnow we are decreasing, making
sure that kids can grow betterand at the same time we have
more kids that are surviving andwith nutrition, at that part,
formula feeds versus breastfeed,there is no correlation.
(18:02):
It's more about, likeenvironmental as in how, the
mental health of the parents.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And have you seen any correlation with?
It's interesting.
In my work, I seemed, a longtime ago it was like these
children who were coming downwith autism.
It was interesting.
I had one woman tell me thatwhile she was pregnant she had
had five rounds of antibioticsand then the child has autism.
(18:29):
Now I think autism is verycomplex and I don't think
there's one thing and again,this is not a blame game, but
we're all.
We're having babies a little bitlater where there's more time
for us to email.
We have 80,000 plus chemicalsin our environment today, right,
there's studies showing babiesare being born with 200 plus
chemicals in their body already,right?
So it's like all theseconfounding factors.
(18:51):
But I'm just wondering ifyou've done any study or or come
across studies that talk aboutmaternal nutrition during
pregnancy and then what happensto the baby.
Before we got on here, wetalked a little bit about the
microbiome, right?
So this woman, having had fiverounds of antibiotics while
pregnant, not only decimated hermicrobiome, the babies too.
(19:14):
And we know the microbiome isso vital for the immune system
and there is a lot of talk aboutautism, has a lot to do with
toxicity and and gut issues.
So I didn't know in yourstudies if you came across or
have any experience with any ofthat?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
yeah, those are interesting questions.
Honestly, when we talk about,like, microbiome in the newborn,
I always say the first one isgoing to be black meconium, it's
because it's a sterile uh, thebaby is in amniotic fluids that
it's had to be sterile, there isno bacteria inside.
But in terms of the nutritionaldemand, as when we talk about
like when we talk aboutantibiotics, yeah, we understand
(19:53):
that antibiotics kill somemicrobiomes in the intestine and
microbiomes help us to help.
Which type of nutrition we'regoing to absorb.
Also, that will be a trauma tothe baby.
In fact, we don't have anyspecific study that says, oh,
this type of nutrition will helpand will prevent to develop any
complications later on forthese babies.
(20:14):
When we talk about autismspectrum disorder, adhd, those
disorders, honestly, as apediatrician, we don't have the
root cause of those disorders.
We have defense, hypothesis andtheory.
For me I follow, there's onedoctor, dr Malillo, in New York.
He talked about ADHD, autismspectrum disorder.
(20:35):
It's like a dysfunction betweenthe connection between the
right hemisphere with the lefthemisphere of the brain.
So it's like this organization.
He called it, yeah, dysfunction, disconnected syndrome, because
it's when most of thesedisorders we identify as a
pattern, meaning that it's whenthose kids start to have the
(20:58):
same pattern and when werecognize those patterns.
That's when we do the diagnosis.
We also have other geneticdisorders that can predispose to
those disorders at the sametime.
So for us it's mainly likenutrition can have an impact on
how certain kids will develop ornot, like how the microbiome
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that they have can have a realimpact.
But for now we don't have anyspecific data on that part.
We understand that thenutrition that the baby gets
it's meaningful growth at thatpart.
We understand which vitamin isessential, that they need.
Sapo foli acid is reallyessential in the first trimester
to do the brain development.
When I call lithiumneonatologist, we talk about the
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prenatology part.
It's like when the baby, it'slike the fetus, grow inside of
the mom and how that it'scorrelation with the mom and the
fetus at the same time.
What happened the firsttrimester, second trimester and
third trimester?
What they need, the mom needsto do.
Why we gave iron, why we gave,like foli acids, all these
vitamins?
Because we try to understandthe correlation.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, I don't think there's any consensus.
I think any of those, anychronic disease right whether
it's autism or diabetes orarthritis there's always
multifactorial, because you haveto consider the person's diet,
their genetics, their lifestyle.
I don't ever think you're goingto say it's one thing right,
and I think that's reallyimportant.
(22:24):
As a doctor, whenever I've hadassociates, I'm always training
them.
We're not treating teeth, weare treating people right,
because you can look at a toothand you could say, well, it
needs this, this, this and thisright, and every person maybe
it's something different,because you have to consider
that the person, theircircumstances, what they're
comfortable with their body andall that.
(22:45):
I'm not trying to put you onthe spot or anything, just
curious.
There's all these things,especially if you're in the more
integrative world.
We like to push back a littlebit on kind of conventional
medicine and say, hey, well,what about this?
What about these things?
Because I think that'simportant for discourse.
I don't think we ever get anychange or progress if we don't
(23:07):
question the status quo.
And I think right now inmedicine people are frustrated
because they feel like theinsurance system is a mess.
Right, we can't, especiallywhere we are, we can't take
months or years to try to see adoctor.
Where we are, you can't evenget an internist.
It's access to care.
It's not just for lowersocioeconomic classes, for all
(23:28):
of us.
I think some people arefrustrated.
They don't want to go intomedicine anymore.
Some people are getting burntout so their medical careers are
shorter than they once was.
We're not the old town doctoranymore that would do house
calls, because medicine hasbecome very corporate as well.
That's why we want to do thiskind of podcast, create the
(23:51):
awareness about all thedifferent things out here,
giving us hope that a youngdoctor like yourself really
understands.
I had a patient yesterday whosaid she saw that I had a
naturopath degree.
She said oh well, are youtaking new patients?
I said, well, I'm not.
I'm a naturopathic dentist.
I'm not.
I'm not an MD, I can't be yourprimary care doctor.
Because she said we had a greatyoung doctor and she was
(24:13):
wonderful and she reallylistened and she was interested
and she talked about all thesedifferent alternatives.
She said, but she left.
I know it's very.
We live in a kind of a ruralarea.
It's hard to keep people on,but it gives me hope that this
younger generation is is seeingthat we need to do this wellness
care right.
We need to look at the wholebody.
(24:36):
So maybe tell us a little bitabout your book.
What does your book focus onand how does it combine the
neuroscience and self-care?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Honestly, I really like your question and all the
things that you've said isreally resonate with me.
Because, first of all, if weare the part that we had to
start the curiosity to askquestions, to start doing the
research, because if we don'tstart to ask the questions, how
can we go to a bowl as a society?
In order to a bowl as a society, we had to start with the
(25:04):
curiosity, with the question and, as you told, like in my book,
that's what I focus on andbecause I want to understand and
bring awareness that science isnot only one thing, it's the
whole body, and the whole bodyincludes mind, body, spirit,
something that is the year onwhat we teach in medical school,
(25:24):
what we learn in medical school.
So when you start to understandthat part, there is more about
that.
You start to have morequestions, you want to
understand better and right now,now it's deep.
That's why I like when you sayI had some patients like some
patients yesterday that theywant to doctors, that they talk
about different things.
It's because it's hard to findsomeone that really had those
(25:47):
awareness and really had thoseconscious to understand that
there is different type and youfeel like vulnerable to open and
talk about those topics at thesame time because you just want
the best, like when I say youonly want the best, it's meaning
that you just want an answer tohelp others to be in the best
version of themselves.
So in my book that's myawareness it is it's first.
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I want to change a newperspective, meaning I don't
have the whole truth.
There is different truth in thebook and we are all
storytellers, but with this Ican just show you the
information that I learned.
By sharing information, we can,as a storyteller, we can all
gather the information.
We can together have differentthings that can help and
(26:29):
different tools that can help usto bring the best version of
ourselves.
However, this seems amazing.
We talk about that, but onething is to have the tools.
The other thing is to implement.
In a world that is in constantchanging, how can I implement
tools that help to bring thebest version of myself?
Because I need to wake up everyday in the morning, I need to
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work, I need to provide for myfamily, I need to work.
I don't have time to implementtools to talk about those things
.
However, in my book, after Itry to change and make awareness
about that, I provide tools,simple tools that I can use in
my daily life, because Iunderstand how the world is
(27:14):
changing and, at the same time,if we don't change as a society,
it's going to take us apart.
Okay, so something that we haveto think about is in
togetherness is our strength.
Okay, in my book I talk aboutdifferent aspects.
I talk about, like meditations.
When we talk about meditation,people understand meditation is
(27:36):
just sitting down and close youreyes and you're meditating.
No, meditation is a physiologyaspect.
It's when you decrease yourheart rate, your oxygen
consumption, because you have tobe calm to understand.
When you're calm, you know yourthoughts, you're the awareness,
you're the observer of yourlife, because in life you make
different choices.
For you're calm, you know yourthoughts away.
You're the awareness, you'rethe observer of your life,
because in life you makedifferent choices, but you're
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not here to make the rightchoices.
You're here to make the choicesthat it doesn't matter the
outcomes.
You're going to take care ofyourself.
Okay, so I develop a breathtechnique that I do it in my
like when I'm running a code.
When I say, running a code, apregnancy can be wrong, but I
know where the baby can getstuck in the delivery.
(28:21):
You know like coming out, youcan have shoulder dystocia and I
need to do nrp no natalresuscitation program and you
I'm older a lot of stress.
But at the same time I need toremind myself and be calm as a
leader, to tell each nurse oreach other doctor what tasks
they need to do.
And that's I can not onlyincorporate, like in my field.
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I can incorporate in my entirelife.
Everything that I do, the way Irespond to stimuli, the way I
talk to other people.
I'm calm to listen, I'm calm tomake the right choices.
And when I say right choices,it's meaning there is no right
or wrong.
It's a choice that I want to dobased on what I'm thinking and
the knowledge that I know atthat moment.
I call it the back horsetechnique.
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You inhale for four seconds,you hold the breath for two
seconds, you exhale slowly forsix seconds and hold it again
for two seconds.
You do it for five times andyou're going to feel how your
heart rate going to decrease.
You can do it either onenvironment, under stress, to
calm down yourself andunderstand that part.
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You can do every morning layingdown in bed with your eye
closed, and you can do.
When you go at night, when youwant to go to sleep, that helps
you to increase your heart rateof seeing consumption it.
When you go at night, when youwant to go to sleep, that helps
you to increase your heart rate.
Obscene consumption, understand, when you're calm.
Other things that I talk aboutin my book it's about mindset.
Mindset, we can say it's theattitude that we face every
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situation in our life.
But when I talk about mindset,I need to talk about placebo
effect.
Placebo effect, it's literallythe proof that people can feel
following and believingexpectations.
So when you read a positivequote a day, it helps you to
remind the perspective that youwant to embody in every
situation that happens in yourlife.
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Because I'd say, yeah, I giveyou the tools and the
information, but are you goingto implement when you're under
stress?
And that part is the self-talk.
When I say self-talk, I need totalk about love yourself,
self-love.
Love is a subjective definition.
First you have to define whatis love for you, because it's
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not the same.
It's different based on yourbackground, your cultural things
.
And then, when I talk aboutself-lovelove, I need to talk
about epigenetics.
Epigenetics it's meaning allthe change that happened, your
dna based on your experience.
Since you were born till now,no one had the same experience
as you.
So all this experience changedyour dna in a different patterns
(30:54):
.
So, if you want to be fair, youcan never compare yourself with
no one, because you're the onlyone who has your own advantage
in this event.
But, at the same time, nobodygives you a screen.
I don't be yourself.
You're learning.
So this is the topic I talkabout, like how to see this body
as a machine that helps you tocope with stress.
Even the healthy diet, howmicrobiomes work, even the
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healthy diet, how allmicrobiomes work, giving the
good sleep.
Exercise.
Exercise means movement,because something that you don't
use is going to be, it's goingto atrophy.
And then I talk about gratitudeand uncertainty.
With all these aspects andtools that I give you, you
understand one perspective thatit's about, like how our body
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works, how our temple.
This is a life experience.
You're here to live life andfind out who you are, what you
want in life.
But in order to dig in this, youhave to have the curiosity to
understand that there is more.
There is no one thing.
There is different part ofthings that we can learn, and we
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can learn from each other.
So something that helped me toget me through my journey and
become a pediatrician probablywill help you.
But some tools might not helpyou.
But that's why we needstorytellers, we need people who
ask questions, we need peoplewho always have the curiosity,
and we also need to be open andbe vulnerable to talk with each
other.
(32:16):
So I think that's my purposejust to share an idea and
everyone can bring the bestversion of themselves and also
share that other people canshare their idea.
And the more information wegather together, we can as I say
, together it's our strength wecan evolve as a society In a
world that is in constantchanging, and that's why I like
your podcast and I like whatwe're doing here, because here
(32:39):
we're sharing ideas, we'reasking the questions, we're
doing things that peoplesometimes they don't do because
they just caught up in autopilotin their daily life.
But if we don't have thosepersons who ask the questions,
who have the curiosity, whochange, change the perspective,
where are we gonna end up?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I had a friend once said I don't know how you can
read so much and you're alwaystrying to learn something.
She's, I'm done, I don't needto learn anything for the rest
of my life.
And I thought lots of you knowI was just like I can't
understand that concept.
But but again, the more thatyou talk about people or the
more they listen Some people.
When I first started thisjourney, I went to a
(33:19):
chiropractor who did kinesiologyand muscle testing and I was
very interested in it.
But when she started muscletesting me and telling me, oh,
this was off and that was offand I needed x, y and z, I
wasn't there yet, so I didn't.
I disregarded her information.
Again I was curious, but ittook another maybe four or five
years before I was like, oh, Ireally get it, I see the value
(33:41):
here and now I do muscle testing.
And then I think back if I hadjust listened to her back then
maybe my eczema wouldn't havegot so bad or whatever it was.
So that's what I like to think.
I think it's sometimes whenyou're having conversations with
people.
The whole last few years createdso much division in the world
and I started to get to thepoint where I have to stop
(34:04):
trying to convince people of onething or another and I have to
respect the fact that we are allon different journeys.
And so I had to, because it wasmaking me stressed out and I
was frustrated, especially beinga mom and trying to make my
kids do certain things like, oh,that's not really the way to
really get anything done and allI'm doing is creating stress
(34:26):
for myself, so I'm not helpinganyone.
So when I came to thatrealization, I was like, okay,
here's what I know and all I cando.
Realization, I was like, okay,here's what I know and all I can
do is provide that information.
And when somebody wants to hearit and when they're ready to
hear it, they will.
And so that's why I love thepodcast.
(34:49):
I don't have to tell anybodywhat to do, just sharing my
experience, because when otherpeople have shared their
experience with me and itresonated with me, that's how I
was able to go down my healthjourney and how I was able to
make strides and do these greatthings that I've been able to do
, and so that took the stressoff me too.
Like people don't have to agreewith me, they just but just.
I love what you said being open,just being open.
(35:10):
And I've had to learn how to dothat because, again, we all
come from different perspectivesso we have to, and this is what
I'm trying to teach my kids toois.
They're in high school now, sothey're like oh, this person's
so mean and they're saying thisand that.
And I said, think about wherethey're coming from.
I don't like that personbecause they're so mean.
I'm like well, where do youthink that meanness or that
bullying might be coming from,or that bullying might be coming
(35:31):
from?
If you can have thatopen-mindedness one, it's not
gonna affect you.
I was like that stresses youout when that person's being
mean to you.
But if you can think about thatperson, maybe they're hurting,
and if you can just instead Isaid you don't have to be their
best friend, but if you canunderstand that where they're
coming from has really nothingto do with you, then you'll be
(35:54):
less stressed and you can getthrough your day a little bit
easier.
Because they're getting so manystresses.
And, like you said, that's themindset right.
And she, my older daughter, sheput on her phone right the
personal nice affirmation.
So every time she looks at herphone boom, one of those,
because she struggles withanxiety and she struggles with
(36:15):
confidence.
So when she I love that.
I never told her to do it.
She just did it one day and Iwas like, oh, this is amazing,
right, because the more you knowyou harp on somebody, right,
the less especially in children,right, the less they want to do
it.
But she found that for herselfbecause I've been telling her
for a long time, but until, andone time she said to me she was
so brilliant, so she was maybe10 or 11 years old and I was
(36:37):
trying to tell her about you gotto eat better and you got to do
this and that just harping onher.
And she said you know what, mom, I'm just not ready.
And I was like whoa, I was likethat's very profound.
And I was like, okay, I waslike because she sometimes has
skin issues, and I said, well,where do skin issues come from?
(36:58):
And she said to me the gut.
And I said okay, I said so, youdo know, but she was not ready
to make all those changes.
And now that she's a few yearsolder, she she sent me a text
the other day.
She said these are the foods Ineed to get eat.
So can you buy this at thegrocery store so I can finally
get my clear skin?
And I was like, all right, sothat my point is getting this
(37:22):
information out there, right,and these little snippets, over
time they say what people haveto hear, something like seven
times right before it kind ofsinks in.
So that's the deal, right, wejust provide the support and the
information.
And when people are ready andthey want to hear, and they will
, and so I think that's thevalue in being a doctor is is
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supporting your patient wherethey're at.
You're supplying the expert, themedical expertise, but you're
also supporting them in theirown journey.
And it's very hard, especiallyas a dentist, right, nobody
wants to go to the dentist,right, Everybody.
So it's something that you havepatients who are angry men, and
it can be.
That's why dentistry can bereally stressful, right, because
(38:04):
you already have energy comingat you and so many times people
say it's not you.
And, of course, if you're amore sensitive, empathetic
patient, it can be challenging,right, to be in a medical
profession where people are inpain and this and that, and you
have to set back and say it'snot about me, I didn't cause the
cavity.
I didn't cause this problem.
I'm just here to help and whenyou frame that way you can be a
(38:29):
better doctor and a betteradvocate for that person.
But sometimes it can bechallenging and it takes many
years to get to that point, butagain, the more that we show
that support, like you said,trust is absolutely, absolutely
vital and we've lost a littlebit of that trust, especially
over the last few years.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
So recultivating that , that trust and that support,
is absolutely vital in the workthat we do and something that I
really like about the story thatyou told me about your daughter
one thing sometimes we needexternal things to remind us of
the perspective.
When she have on the screen thepositive things, the quote that
help us because sometimes weunderstand the tools, things,
the quote that help us Becausesometimes we understand the
tools, we have the informations,but in order to implement, we
(39:11):
need something that remind us onexternal things.
So when we see somethingexternally, it's remind us the
things and other things that Ireally resonate is as a doctor.
For me it's not only to havethe knowledge.
It's in a way that I need tounderstand that knowledge, that
I can simplify and communicatethat knowledge in a way that I
need to understand thatknowledge, that I can simplify
and communicate that knowledgein a way that people can digest
(39:31):
and understand that.
Because for me it's notbombarding you with a lot of
information that, oh, yeah, he'sa doctor, he understand those
things, but I don't understand.
I don't know why he say I justI just know that he say those
things and he understand thebody.
So my way is yeah, I'm a doctor,I understand those terminology,
they don't have to know allthis term, but for me it's to
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simplify and give it in a waythat it can resonate and they
can understand that informationin a better way, that they can
implement that part, becausesometimes that barrier that we
can have as a doctor andpatients is that the doctor told
me one thing and he's right,but I don't understand quite the
thing that he's telling me.
I need to understand adifferent way.
(40:12):
Why?
Because I don't know all thosemedical jargons and sometimes we
have the misconception it's mymistake.
We throw out the medicaljargons that we know because we
think, oh, yeah, they willunderstand.
No, let's simplify the thingsthat we say.
Let's simplify the information,understand that information in
a deeper way, that it's going tobe easy and accessible for
(40:36):
others to understand andcommunicate.
Well, that part.
So I think that's somethingthat I'm working on it too,
because as a doctor, sometimeswe try like yeah, yeah, I put in
that easy way the information,but sometimes we throw our
medical jargons withoutrealizing things because we got
used to it.
So that thing that I want tochange, like also in my book, I
(40:58):
talk about medical things but Iput it in a way that people can
understand it.
It's easy to digest.
You put it in a simple way,simple format, and I think
that's something that we try,because that's also it's how to
build trust.
Because how can you build trustin someone that you don't
understand what he's saying,even though that you have all
(41:18):
the recognitions, you know thathe is smart, but you don't
understand him?
But that's why, for me, it'ssomething that the trust that
you build also goes with thecommunication that you have.
Develop those qualities, as yousay be empathetic, be
vulnerable, but at the same time, have effective communication
with the patient, have effectivecommunication with someone else
that you're talking to.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Absolutely.
Communication is thecornerstone to any relationship,
and especially with the doctorpatient, so very, very vital.
Well, we're about wrapping uptime here, edgar.
Is there anything else youwould like to leave us with?
And tell us again the title ofyour book and how we can get a
copy?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
of it?
Yeah, for me I would like.
You can find the book on Amazon.
The title of my book iswellness optimizing yourself.
You can see the hardcoverpaperback audio book we have.
I have the ebook on amazon.
You can get it also.
You can find me in differentsocial media on instagram, edgar
(42:21):
reno's, vanderbos, dr vanderbos, and also I'm in le Lincoln.
One thing that I really like tosay there is one of my favorite
quotes.
It's by Carl Jung that say theworld will ask you who you are,
and if you don't know who youare, the world will tell you.
So be curious, find yourself,understand there are deeper
(42:42):
informations.
Have the curiosity to changeyour perspective and know there
is more than what you thinkthere are.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Fantastic.
Well, thank you for thisconversation and coming early
morning to share with everyonehere.
So I wish you the best and I'mexcited again to see a young
doctor who really understandsthe full body care.
So again, I wish you the bestof luck.
Thank you so much for sharingyour expertise with us.
Thank you everybody forlistening.
(43:12):
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Hello everybody, welcome back to another episode
of the Root of the Matter.
I am your host, dr RachelCarver.
Today we are privileged to haveDr Edgar Vanderhorst with us.
Dr Vanderhorst is apediatrician and neonatologist.
He's currently at theUniversity of Illinois in
Chicago at the Children'sHospital, doing a fellowship
(00:21):
there.
And Dr Vanderhorst has recentlyjust launched his book Wellness
Optimizing Yourself, where heblends neuroscience with
self-care habits.
So I'm very excited for you totell us a little bit about
yourself.
What's your book, how, being apediatrician, how you come to
think about wellness overall.
(00:42):
So why don't you tell us alittle bit about yourself?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Welcome.
Thank you so much for thatlovely introduction.
Yeah, honestly, for me, I'mfrom the Dominican Republic.
When I embarked on my journey tostart to study for the United
States Medical LicenseExamination, I started to
understand the connectionbetween neuroscience and
wellness.
Why?
Because when you have to takestep one, it's basic science.
(01:06):
You have to dig in thephysiology, anatomy on the whole
body.
With that background thephysiology, and then it's really
hard because as internationalmedical graduate you had to
outstain your score, you had todo medical missions, you had to
have little recommendations.
So that journey took me tounderstand something deeper in
(01:28):
our body.
When I started to understand,like when I started to embark on
the wellness practice I saidthis resonated with me because I
was understanding, like how onepart talk about meditations
work in our body, likeactivating patterns, patterns
impacting the resistance, howour nutrition balance ourselves,
how exercise, how our brain ormindsets work with that part.
(01:52):
And when I started here I didmy pediatric residency at New
York, mount Sinai, and then I'mcurrently doing my fellowship of
neonatologist with the NICU,with premature babies.
I started to understand that asa pediatrician, I'm not only
treating kids or prematurebabies, I'm impacting family.
(02:13):
The role that I play is givinginformation to the family how
they can raise the loved one,but at the same time, most of my
patients in the NICU they don'ttalk to me.
I need to understand thephysiology of the body, how the
body works and, in that part,understanding how our body works
, because when I have prematurebabies, all the organs are
(02:35):
developed but they are notmature yet, meaning that I need
to understand how the organswork, how the system in their
body works, and then I need toimprove it.
I need to make our environmentto make them feel well so they
can develop.
So in my field, when I talk toparents, there's a lot of
(02:55):
information out there andsometimes I need to make sure
that they have the informationthat they need and they can
digest those informations,because at the same time you
have a lot of information, it'shard for you to understand which
one I need to pick, which one.
It would be feasible.
But my point is, if youunderstand what you are doing
(03:17):
and how our body works, it'sgoing to be more feasible and
easy to you to help and raiseyour loved one.
So for me, that that feelingpediatrician was what made me
touch myself.
To understand my role here isnot only training kids.
That's why I started to dowellness lectures in my hospital
(03:39):
in New York and also here inChicago, because I want to bring
an awareness of hearing thehealthcare system.
It's not only treating patients.
We have a role in this fieldand the role that we make in
this field.
It's something that we shouldbe aware and, at the same time,
we also need to be consciousabout what we talk, what we say
(04:03):
and the things that we prescribeto patients and we talk to
people.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I think that's wonderful, and the word doctor
literally translates to teacher,and so that really is our role.
Not the average person is notgoing to medical school, right,
and doing residency is all thesethings.
They don't necessarily havethat background information, but
they understand their bodies,they know what it feels like to
feel well, and so we I alwaystalk to my patients as being a
(04:33):
partner here I'm going to bringmy expertise and then again,
each person has a uniquelifestyle environment.
Each person has a uniquelifestyle environment, genetics,
and so I love what you'resaying, that it's looking at the
whole family, right, and it'snot just about the physiology
and how this little nutrientgoes onto that receptor and then
(04:56):
all these things happen.
Right, it's the whole world,like you mentioned.
It's mindset, right.
There's so many differentthings.
What are the stress levels?
And obviously having a child ina NICU is super stressful,
right.
So those parents, they're soworried about that child being
well and, as a doctor, if youcan provide the background and
(05:19):
here are the things that aregoing to help you, help the
child I think that's invaluable.
So I really applaud you forgetting into this because and
it's really interesting yourjourney, right it wasn't a
typical American medical school.
Right, you actually had to doso much more and you had to see
how the whole body workstogether and understand that
concept.
So that's wonderful.
Your patients are so lucky tohave you and so when you're
(05:43):
thinking about as a pediatrician, you're counseling the parents.
Are you talking to them aboutnutrition?
Maybe give us a few examples ofhow you are talking to them
about wellness and the best wayto raise a child who maybe
started off with less than idealconditions at birth.
(06:04):
Yeah, perfect.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So normally I normally start with the parents
when they get the newborn andthey're happy in the journey.
I always talk to them like Ineed to build the trust, because
in order for patients to listento the doctor, you have to
build that trust and as apediatrician, if they don't
trust me, they won't follow myadvice.
So I build that trust becausethey had to see me like a
(06:27):
connector, someone that they canreally rely on because they
really love.
This is the loved one that theywant the best for them.
So I really started to talkabout congratulations and I
started to talk about oh, tellme what your support system,
your different factors that youhave at home.
Why?
Because, honestly, in the firsttwo weeks we have heard about
(06:51):
the postpartum bloom it'sbecause women they shut down
different hormones.
They worked for estrogen toprogesterone.
Right now it's shut down toprolactin.
That stop all the otherhormones.
They don't sleep why?
Because maybe you have to feedevery two to three hours.
They're deprived of sleep atthe same time, and a baby that
(07:12):
it's only crying because that'sthe only way they had to
communicate.
It's really stressful.
So I always say that's okay,that's a new journey you have,
but it's the most amazing at thesame time.
Why?
Because when you breastfeedyour baby, you have like
oxytocin that helps to connectwith your baby.
Okay, I always tell them, likethe poopoo, the stool will
(07:36):
change in color and that's whythe different microbiome the
first one will be black becausethat's it's sterile, meaning it
doesn't have any bacteria.
Later on, when you start to getyour breastfeed, it will be
black because it's sterile,meaning it doesn't have any
bacteria.
Later on, when you start to getyour breast, it will start to
change in color.
It's going to be like ayellow-green color.
Don't get scared, because a lotof parents get scared.
Oh, it's changing color.
I'd say that's okay, that'snormal.
(07:56):
And at the same time I toldthem you have to put some creams
on the diaper because eventhough that you change the
diaper very frequently,sometimes the stool can irritate
the skin.
So that's why I told like youhave different creams, desitine
and all this stuff, like if youwant to sleep, like when baby
(08:17):
sleep, mom need to sleep, sopartners need help with that
part.
I'd say what means?
Baby only breathe by the nosein the first four months.
So if they have nasalcongestion, you will hear like
different sounds and you'regonna get scared, that's okay.
I I gave different tools.
We had to go such a jackal toclean the boobies that they have
in the nose.
(08:37):
Sometimes they have differenttools that they buy on amazon
and they really tell me likedoctor, do you think this one's
unreliable?
I said, well, the brand did notpay me anything, but I can tell
you which one is morereasonable, that you can help to
take out the nasal congestion.
I say when baby feed, you feedlike 20 minutes each breast.
(08:57):
After that you have to burn thebaby wire because when they
swallow they also swallow earthand if they don't like, if they
don't know how to birth, if youdon't birth the baby for about
like 10 to 15 minutes, he willspeed up or vomit because that
air need to go out of the bodyat the same time.
So I started to give some toolsbut at the same time I do, I do
(09:18):
like I can say in a way thatthey trust me, they feel the
trust and they feel like, oh, Ican rely.
Because most of time if youhave a pediatrician and you
start to tell them like, oh, youcannot do this, you cannot do
this, they don't feel that trustand they sometimes they don't
want to tell you a few thingsthat they do for the baby, and
for me it's detrimental becauseI want you to, like, feel trust,
(09:39):
tell me anything.
Can I give this to my baby?
Because sometimes they say, oh,let me give it this.
I won't tell my doctor becausehe will tell me no.
So for me I'm like no, no, tellme and be awkward with me.
So that's the way I start totalk to them.
But for me I tell them all thisprocess, like, oh, the school
was changing colors, because Iunderstand the microbiome.
(10:00):
When I say, oh, you need tosleep, because I understand the
mental health of the mom, theyneed to be helping in order to
take care of the loved one.
You know I always say, oh, ifyou have anyone that can help
you at the same time, becausethis journey is amazing, but at
the same time I know it's hard.
Also, at the same time, whenthe baby goes to sleep, you want
(10:21):
the baby to sleep next to youBecause we, as a pediatrician,
we want to decrease studentinfant death syndrome.
Just because sometimes whenbabies sleep on the stomach, I
can say they turn around andthey close their nose and
student infant death syndromehappens.
There is some research, becausea lot of parents say I want to
sleep with my baby, okay, andthat's okay.
(10:43):
There is some research.
You can do it as long as you'renot really tired that you can
roll over the baby.
You know you can do it.
There's only things that youhave to be aware of, that and
those.
I'm really honest with all theparents and I'm telling all the
things that I know and why we doall these things and they
gather and they understand theway that I said.
But for me I start with thatpart to understand a little bit
(11:06):
about the different factors andenvironment that they have at
home, the support system and howthe mom feels at this point,
because I cannot start.
Okay, now you need to meditate,now you need to do exercise.
I go slowly and then, becausethey had to see me, we normally
say three to five days after thedelivery.
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Then I need to see a one month,two months, four months and six
months.
Because we need to measure atthe very beginning weight.
We need to measure the mouth.
Mouth means how the baby isdeveloping motor skill, language
cue.
That's for us it's meunderstanding how the baby's
doing and at those visits Istart to dig in oh, tell me, how
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did your sleep routine?
Because your baby will have asleep routine at around two
months.
And then they jump around atfour months and they take it out
and then say I don't sleepovernight.
I say yeah, that's regression,because they start to develop
few things.
The sleep pattern will bedisrupted now, this time, but
that's okay, you can do it.
(12:11):
And then when maybe they hitthe corner, like I can say
around five, seven I always sayas a parent, you're the role
model.
They copy everything and theytaught everything that you said.
So at that point I started tosay tell me what you like to
read.
Like if you read to a baby attwo years old, three years old,
the more you read him, the morewords he learns, the better he's
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going to speak.
Those kind of things start tointegrate in my conversation in
a different aspect, in differentvisits.
So that's how I assess thewellness and I assess the
different factors that caninfluence how this baby is going
to grow and how this baby willdevelop.
At the same time I give advicefor parents because sometimes
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they are honest when they saythis is a hard journey.
Doctor, I always listen, I'mbeing empathetic and I'm telling
them you're doing the best,because I can see the result.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
All right.
Well, you talked about a lot.
I want to kind of go back andtalk about a few things.
So you mentioned that babiesinitially are only breathing
through their nose, and so thisis one of the what I see as one
of the main benefits ofbreastfeeding.
Yes, we get the breast milk andall that, but it's also
training the child.
(13:26):
We know for proper growth anddevelopment of the entire face
and brain and oral cavity, weneed to have good nasal
breathing.
So when you're breastfeeding,obviously the baby cannot
breathe through their mouthright.
It also helps the proper tongueformation to get onto the
palate and it's the tongue thatactually makes sure that the
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palate is wide enough and growsforward enough so that the teeth
aren't crowded, because todayalmost every child has crowded
teeth, the jaws are deficient,and so that's one of my big
reasons why I try to pushbreastfeeding.
Again, not everyone can do itand that's totally fine.
There's no judgment here.
But from a dental perspective,breastfeeding is is really
(14:10):
beneficial for for many reasons,and there are better bottles
out there, better nipples,nothing's the same but that,
that nasal breathing.
Maybe you can expound on that alittle bit about what is the
benefit of of nasal breathingfor brain development or just
overall health?
Do you, can you talk a littlebit about that?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
yeah, okay, every part of our body, like when you
have a newborn, but they, thephysiology, the nervous system
does, they have differentreflets.
If you put everything in themouth of the baby, they're gonna
suck because that's a reflet.
When they do nasal breathing,it's because that's the only way
that the baby will get like airand will have the gas exchange.
(14:50):
Ok, because they are at thispoint.
They need to, as you say,develop muscle, like the tongue,
some muscle.
So that's why, with the suckreflux, they need to feed
themselves and at the same timethey need to develop the oral
cavity.
They need to get stimulations,because that's the body needs
(15:12):
now for the brain to develop.
The brain needs oxygen.
Okay, because they need tocreate atp.
Atp it's adenosinetrisphosphate, it's the energy
that's the body use.
Okay, um, the body, the brain,to seep like.
They need glucose in order toconvert that glucose to
ATP-braining oxygen.
When you do nasal breathing,it's the part of the facility
for the cavity here, because wehave the sinus.
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Not all the sinus are formedright away.
They start to develop later on.
The first one that it'sdeveloped, we'd say it's the
maxillary, then the frontal.
Later on we'd say it's themaxillary, then the frontal
later on.
But it's because that part,when those really are, for the
first four months they are nasalbreathing.
They start to develop.
So that's how the body shouldwork.
And later on in life you hearpeople that say, oh, I breathe
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by the mouth, and also yourfacial structure change when
you're a mouth breather.
It's because you have changedhow it's supposed to be, how
your body is supposed to developin certain things.
So when we say, oh, baby, it'sonly nasal breathing.
That's how the body works, howthey need, in order to grow,
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different aspects, differentfeatures and structures of our
body in order to be raw.
That's the thing that we havein correlations.
But there is also differentreplates that baby have.
Baby have a replate, like whenyou grab him and the hamster,
they grab it.
So they have different cuesthat they start to.
We say, wait it out after thebaby start to develop mouse, as
(16:41):
we call it in pediatricians.
Or this way reach the mouse onthe two months.
Because we call it inpediatricians, you know.
Or if they reach the mouse onthe two months, because we
understand how it needs to workand it's work better for brain
development.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
So you also mentioned the sudden infant death
syndrome controversy and talkabout how well maybe that's
related to having too manyvaccines or this and that as
your specialty.
Have you seen any correlationwith nutrition or anything that
also maybe predisposed the babyto it versus another?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
The only risk factors that we find out.
It was in 1994 that theystarted a campaign, ABC for
children with infant syndrome.
It was to change the positionof baby sleep.
When we talk about vaccines andnutrition, they haven't had any
correlations.
Why?
Because vaccines we havedeveloped new vaccines.
(17:39):
It's because to prevent somedisease that in the past have
high prevalence of mortality andnow we are decreasing, making
sure that kids can grow betterand at the same time we have
more kids that are surviving andwith nutrition, at that part,
formula feeds versus breastfeed,there is no correlation.
(18:02):
It's more about, likeenvironmental as in how, the
mental health of the parents.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And have you seen any correlation with?
It's interesting.
In my work, I seemed, a longtime ago it was like these
children who were coming downwith autism.
It was interesting.
I had one woman tell me thatwhile she was pregnant she had
had five rounds of antibioticsand then the child has autism.
(18:29):
Now I think autism is verycomplex and I don't think
there's one thing and again,this is not a blame game, but
we're all.
We're having babies a little bitlater where there's more time
for us to email.
We have 80,000 plus chemicalsin our environment today, right,
there's studies showing babiesare being born with 200 plus
chemicals in their body already,right?
So it's like all theseconfounding factors.
(18:51):
But I'm just wondering ifyou've done any study or or come
across studies that talk aboutmaternal nutrition during
pregnancy and then what happensto the baby.
Before we got on here, wetalked a little bit about the
microbiome, right?
So this woman, having had fiverounds of antibiotics while
pregnant, not only decimated hermicrobiome, the babies too.
(19:14):
And we know the microbiome isso vital for the immune system
and there is a lot of talk aboutautism, has a lot to do with
toxicity and and gut issues.
So I didn't know in yourstudies if you came across or
have any experience with any ofthat?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
yeah, those are interesting questions.
Honestly, when we talk about,like, microbiome in the newborn,
I always say the first one isgoing to be black meconium, it's
because it's a sterile uh, thebaby is in amniotic fluids that
it's had to be sterile, there isno bacteria inside.
But in terms of the nutritionaldemand, as when we talk about
like when we talk aboutantibiotics, yeah, we understand
(19:53):
that antibiotics kill somemicrobiomes in the intestine and
microbiomes help us to help.
Which type of nutrition we'regoing to absorb.
Also, that will be a trauma tothe baby.
In fact, we don't have anyspecific study that says, oh,
this type of nutrition will helpand will prevent to develop any
complications later on forthese babies.
(20:14):
When we talk about autismspectrum disorder, adhd, those
disorders, honestly, as apediatrician, we don't have the
root cause of those disorders.
We have defense, hypothesis andtheory.
For me I follow, there's onedoctor, dr Malillo, in New York.
He talked about ADHD, autismspectrum disorder.
(20:35):
It's like a dysfunction betweenthe connection between the
right hemisphere with the lefthemisphere of the brain.
So it's like this organization.
He called it, yeah, dysfunction, disconnected syndrome, because
it's when most of thesedisorders we identify as a
pattern, meaning that it's whenthose kids start to have the
(20:58):
same pattern and when werecognize those patterns.
That's when we do the diagnosis.
We also have other geneticdisorders that can predispose to
those disorders at the sametime.
So for us it's mainly likenutrition can have an impact on
how certain kids will develop ornot, like how the microbiome
(21:18):
that they have can have a realimpact.
But for now we don't have anyspecific data on that part.
We understand that thenutrition that the baby gets
it's meaningful growth at thatpart.
We understand which vitamin isessential, that they need.
Sapo foli acid is reallyessential in the first trimester
to do the brain development.
When I call lithiumneonatologist, we talk about the
(21:41):
prenatology part.
It's like when the baby, it'slike the fetus, grow inside of
the mom and how that it'scorrelation with the mom and the
fetus at the same time.
What happened the firsttrimester, second trimester and
third trimester?
What they need, the mom needsto do.
Why we gave iron, why we gave,like foli acids, all these
vitamins?
Because we try to understandthe correlation.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, I don't think there's any consensus.
I think any of those, anychronic disease right whether
it's autism or diabetes orarthritis there's always
multifactorial, because you haveto consider the person's diet,
their genetics, their lifestyle.
I don't ever think you're goingto say it's one thing right,
and I think that's reallyimportant.
(22:24):
As a doctor, whenever I've hadassociates, I'm always training
them.
We're not treating teeth, weare treating people right,
because you can look at a toothand you could say, well, it
needs this, this, this and thisright, and every person maybe
it's something different,because you have to consider
that the person, theircircumstances, what they're
comfortable with their body andall that.
(22:45):
I'm not trying to put you onthe spot or anything, just
curious.
There's all these things,especially if you're in the more
integrative world.
We like to push back a littlebit on kind of conventional
medicine and say, hey, well,what about this?
What about these things?
Because I think that'simportant for discourse.
I don't think we ever get anychange or progress if we don't
(23:07):
question the status quo.
And I think right now inmedicine people are frustrated
because they feel like theinsurance system is a mess.
Right, we can't, especiallywhere we are, we can't take
months or years to try to see adoctor.
Where we are, you can't evenget an internist.
It's access to care.
It's not just for lowersocioeconomic classes, for all
(23:28):
of us.
I think some people arefrustrated.
They don't want to go intomedicine anymore.
Some people are getting burntout so their medical careers are
shorter than they once was.
We're not the old town doctoranymore that would do house
calls, because medicine hasbecome very corporate as well.
That's why we want to do thiskind of podcast, create the
(23:51):
awareness about all thedifferent things out here,
giving us hope that a youngdoctor like yourself really
understands.
I had a patient yesterday whosaid she saw that I had a
naturopath degree.
She said oh well, are youtaking new patients?
I said, well, I'm not.
I'm a naturopathic dentist.
I'm not.
I'm not an MD, I can't be yourprimary care doctor.
Because she said we had a greatyoung doctor and she was
(24:13):
wonderful and she reallylistened and she was interested
and she talked about all thesedifferent alternatives.
She said, but she left.
I know it's very.
We live in a kind of a ruralarea.
It's hard to keep people on,but it gives me hope that this
younger generation is is seeingthat we need to do this wellness
care right.
We need to look at the wholebody.
(24:36):
So maybe tell us a little bitabout your book.
What does your book focus onand how does it combine the
neuroscience and self-care?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Honestly, I really like your question and all the
things that you've said isreally resonate with me.
Because, first of all, if weare the part that we had to
start the curiosity to askquestions, to start doing the
research, because if we don'tstart to ask the questions, how
can we go to a bowl as a society?
In order to a bowl as a society, we had to start with the
(25:04):
curiosity, with the question and, as you told, like in my book,
that's what I focus on andbecause I want to understand and
bring awareness that science isnot only one thing, it's the
whole body, and the whole bodyincludes mind, body, spirit,
something that is the year onwhat we teach in medical school,
(25:24):
what we learn in medical school.
So when you start to understandthat part, there is more about
that.
You start to have morequestions, you want to
understand better and right now,now it's deep.
That's why I like when you sayI had some patients like some
patients yesterday that theywant to doctors, that they talk
about different things.
It's because it's hard to findsomeone that really had those
(25:47):
awareness and really had thoseconscious to understand that
there is different type and youfeel like vulnerable to open and
talk about those topics at thesame time because you just want
the best, like when I say youonly want the best, it's meaning
that you just want an answer tohelp others to be in the best
version of themselves.
So in my book that's myawareness it is it's first.
(26:09):
I want to change a newperspective, meaning I don't
have the whole truth.
There is different truth in thebook and we are all
storytellers, but with this Ican just show you the
information that I learned.
By sharing information, we can,as a storyteller, we can all
gather the information.
We can together have differentthings that can help and
(26:29):
different tools that can help usto bring the best version of
ourselves.
However, this seems amazing.
We talk about that, but onething is to have the tools.
The other thing is to implement.
In a world that is in constantchanging, how can I implement
tools that help to bring thebest version of myself?
Because I need to wake up everyday in the morning, I need to
(26:52):
work, I need to provide for myfamily, I need to work.
I don't have time to implementtools to talk about those things
.
However, in my book, after Itry to change and make awareness
about that, I provide tools,simple tools that I can use in
my daily life, because Iunderstand how the world is
(27:14):
changing and, at the same time,if we don't change as a society,
it's going to take us apart.
Okay, so something that we haveto think about is in
togetherness is our strength.
Okay, in my book I talk aboutdifferent aspects.
I talk about, like meditations.
When we talk about meditation,people understand meditation is
(27:36):
just sitting down and close youreyes and you're meditating.
No, meditation is a physiologyaspect.
It's when you decrease yourheart rate, your oxygen
consumption, because you have tobe calm to understand.
When you're calm, you know yourthoughts, you're the awareness,
you're the observer of yourlife, because in life you make
different choices.
For you're calm, you know yourthoughts away.
You're the awareness, you'rethe observer of your life,
because in life you makedifferent choices, but you're
(27:59):
not here to make the rightchoices.
You're here to make the choicesthat it doesn't matter the
outcomes.
You're going to take care ofyourself.
Okay, so I develop a breathtechnique that I do it in my
like when I'm running a code.
When I say, running a code, apregnancy can be wrong, but I
know where the baby can getstuck in the delivery.
(28:21):
You know like coming out, youcan have shoulder dystocia and I
need to do nrp no natalresuscitation program and you
I'm older a lot of stress.
But at the same time I need toremind myself and be calm as a
leader, to tell each nurse oreach other doctor what tasks
they need to do.
And that's I can not onlyincorporate, like in my field.
(28:43):
I can incorporate in my entirelife.
Everything that I do, the way Irespond to stimuli, the way I
talk to other people.
I'm calm to listen, I'm calm tomake the right choices.
And when I say right choices,it's meaning there is no right
or wrong.
It's a choice that I want to dobased on what I'm thinking and
the knowledge that I know atthat moment.
I call it the back horsetechnique.
(29:06):
You inhale for four seconds,you hold the breath for two
seconds, you exhale slowly forsix seconds and hold it again
for two seconds.
You do it for five times andyou're going to feel how your
heart rate going to decrease.
You can do it either onenvironment, under stress, to
calm down yourself andunderstand that part.
(29:26):
You can do every morning layingdown in bed with your eye
closed, and you can do.
When you go at night, when youwant to go to sleep, that helps
you to increase your heart rateof seeing consumption it.
When you go at night, when youwant to go to sleep, that helps
you to increase your heart rate.
Obscene consumption, understand, when you're calm.
Other things that I talk aboutin my book it's about mindset.
Mindset, we can say it's theattitude that we face every
(29:48):
situation in our life.
But when I talk about mindset,I need to talk about placebo
effect.
Placebo effect, it's literallythe proof that people can feel
following and believingexpectations.
So when you read a positivequote a day, it helps you to
remind the perspective that youwant to embody in every
situation that happens in yourlife.
(30:09):
Because I'd say, yeah, I giveyou the tools and the
information, but are you goingto implement when you're under
stress?
And that part is the self-talk.
When I say self-talk, I need totalk about love yourself,
self-love.
Love is a subjective definition.
First you have to define whatis love for you, because it's
(30:31):
not the same.
It's different based on yourbackground, your cultural things
.
And then, when I talk aboutself-lovelove, I need to talk
about epigenetics.
Epigenetics it's meaning allthe change that happened, your
dna based on your experience.
Since you were born till now,no one had the same experience
as you.
So all this experience changedyour dna in a different patterns
(30:54):
.
So, if you want to be fair, youcan never compare yourself with
no one, because you're the onlyone who has your own advantage
in this event.
But, at the same time, nobodygives you a screen.
I don't be yourself.
You're learning.
So this is the topic I talkabout, like how to see this body
as a machine that helps you tocope with stress.
Even the healthy diet, howmicrobiomes work, even the
(31:15):
healthy diet, how allmicrobiomes work, giving the
good sleep.
Exercise.
Exercise means movement,because something that you don't
use is going to be, it's goingto atrophy.
And then I talk about gratitudeand uncertainty.
With all these aspects andtools that I give you, you
understand one perspective thatit's about, like how our body
(31:36):
works, how our temple.
This is a life experience.
You're here to live life andfind out who you are, what you
want in life.
But in order to dig in this, youhave to have the curiosity to
understand that there is more.
There is no one thing.
There is different part ofthings that we can learn, and we
(31:56):
can learn from each other.
So something that helped me toget me through my journey and
become a pediatrician probablywill help you.
But some tools might not helpyou.
But that's why we needstorytellers, we need people who
ask questions, we need peoplewho always have the curiosity,
and we also need to be open andbe vulnerable to talk with each
other.
(32:16):
So I think that's my purposejust to share an idea and
everyone can bring the bestversion of themselves and also
share that other people canshare their idea.
And the more information wegather together, we can as I say
, together it's our strength wecan evolve as a society In a
world that is in constantchanging, and that's why I like
your podcast and I like whatwe're doing here, because here
(32:39):
we're sharing ideas, we'reasking the questions, we're
doing things that peoplesometimes they don't do because
they just caught up in autopilotin their daily life.
But if we don't have thosepersons who ask the questions,
who have the curiosity, whochange, change the perspective,
where are we gonna end up?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I had a friend once said I don't know how you can
read so much and you're alwaystrying to learn something.
She's, I'm done, I don't needto learn anything for the rest
of my life.
And I thought lots of you knowI was just like I can't
understand that concept.
But but again, the more thatyou talk about people or the
more they listen Some people.
When I first started thisjourney, I went to a
(33:19):
chiropractor who did kinesiologyand muscle testing and I was
very interested in it.
But when she started muscletesting me and telling me, oh,
this was off and that was offand I needed x, y and z, I
wasn't there yet, so I didn't.
I disregarded her information.
Again I was curious, but ittook another maybe four or five
years before I was like, oh, Ireally get it, I see the value
(33:41):
here and now I do muscle testing.
And then I think back if I hadjust listened to her back then
maybe my eczema wouldn't havegot so bad or whatever it was.
So that's what I like to think.
I think it's sometimes whenyou're having conversations with
people.
The whole last few years createdso much division in the world
and I started to get to thepoint where I have to stop
(34:04):
trying to convince people of onething or another and I have to
respect the fact that we are allon different journeys.
And so I had to, because it wasmaking me stressed out and I
was frustrated, especially beinga mom and trying to make my
kids do certain things like, oh,that's not really the way to
really get anything done and allI'm doing is creating stress
(34:26):
for myself, so I'm not helpinganyone.
So when I came to thatrealization, I was like, okay,
here's what I know and all I cando.
Realization, I was like, okay,here's what I know and all I can
do is provide that information.
And when somebody wants to hearit and when they're ready to
hear it, they will.
And so that's why I love thepodcast.
(34:49):
I don't have to tell anybodywhat to do, just sharing my
experience, because when otherpeople have shared their
experience with me and itresonated with me, that's how I
was able to go down my healthjourney and how I was able to
make strides and do these greatthings that I've been able to do
, and so that took the stressoff me too.
Like people don't have to agreewith me, they just but just.
I love what you said being open,just being open.
(35:10):
And I've had to learn how to dothat because, again, we all
come from different perspectivesso we have to, and this is what
I'm trying to teach my kids toois.
They're in high school now, sothey're like oh, this person's
so mean and they're saying thisand that.
And I said, think about wherethey're coming from.
I don't like that personbecause they're so mean.
I'm like well, where do youthink that meanness or that
bullying might be coming from,or that bullying might be coming
(35:31):
from?
If you can have thatopen-mindedness one, it's not
gonna affect you.
I was like that stresses youout when that person's being
mean to you.
But if you can think about thatperson, maybe they're hurting,
and if you can just instead Isaid you don't have to be their
best friend, but if you canunderstand that where they're
coming from has really nothingto do with you, then you'll be
(35:54):
less stressed and you can getthrough your day a little bit
easier.
Because they're getting so manystresses.
And, like you said, that's themindset right.
And she, my older daughter, sheput on her phone right the
personal nice affirmation.
So every time she looks at herphone boom, one of those,
because she struggles withanxiety and she struggles with
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confidence.
So when she I love that.
I never told her to do it.
She just did it one day and Iwas like, oh, this is amazing,
right, because the more you knowyou harp on somebody, right,
the less especially in children,right, the less they want to do
it.
But she found that for herselfbecause I've been telling her
for a long time, but until, andone time she said to me she was
so brilliant, so she was maybe10 or 11 years old and I was
(36:37):
trying to tell her about you gotto eat better and you got to do
this and that just harping onher.
And she said you know what, mom, I'm just not ready.
And I was like whoa, I was likethat's very profound.
And I was like, okay, I waslike because she sometimes has
skin issues, and I said, well,where do skin issues come from?
(36:58):
And she said to me the gut.
And I said okay, I said so, youdo know, but she was not ready
to make all those changes.
And now that she's a few yearsolder, she she sent me a text
the other day.
She said these are the foods Ineed to get eat.
So can you buy this at thegrocery store so I can finally
get my clear skin?
And I was like, all right, sothat my point is getting this
(37:22):
information out there, right,and these little snippets, over
time they say what people haveto hear, something like seven
times right before it kind ofsinks in.
So that's the deal, right, wejust provide the support and the
information.
And when people are ready andthey want to hear, and they will
, and so I think that's thevalue in being a doctor is is
(37:42):
supporting your patient wherethey're at.
You're supplying the expert, themedical expertise, but you're
also supporting them in theirown journey.
And it's very hard, especiallyas a dentist, right, nobody
wants to go to the dentist,right, Everybody.
So it's something that you havepatients who are angry men, and
it can be.
That's why dentistry can bereally stressful, right, because
(38:04):
you already have energy comingat you and so many times people
say it's not you.
And, of course, if you're amore sensitive, empathetic
patient, it can be challenging,right, to be in a medical
profession where people are inpain and this and that, and you
have to set back and say it'snot about me, I didn't cause the
cavity.
I didn't cause this problem.
I'm just here to help and whenyou frame that way you can be a
(38:29):
better doctor and a betteradvocate for that person.
But sometimes it can bechallenging and it takes many
years to get to that point, butagain, the more that we show
that support, like you said,trust is absolutely, absolutely
vital and we've lost a littlebit of that trust, especially
over the last few years.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
So recultivating that , that trust and that support,
is absolutely vital in the workthat we do and something that I
really like about the story thatyou told me about your daughter
one thing sometimes we needexternal things to remind us of
the perspective.
When she have on the screen thepositive things, the quote that
help us because sometimes weunderstand the tools, things,
the quote that help us Becausesometimes we understand the
tools, we have the informations,but in order to implement, we
(39:11):
need something that remind us onexternal things.
So when we see somethingexternally, it's remind us the
things and other things that Ireally resonate is as a doctor.
For me it's not only to havethe knowledge.
It's in a way that I need tounderstand that knowledge, that
I can simplify and communicatethat knowledge in a way that I
need to understand thatknowledge, that I can simplify
and communicate that knowledgein a way that people can digest
(39:31):
and understand that.
Because for me it's notbombarding you with a lot of
information that, oh, yeah, he'sa doctor, he understand those
things, but I don't understand.
I don't know why he say I justI just know that he say those
things and he understand thebody.
So my way is yeah, I'm a doctor,I understand those terminology,
they don't have to know allthis term, but for me it's to
(39:51):
simplify and give it in a waythat it can resonate and they
can understand that informationin a better way, that they can
implement that part, becausesometimes that barrier that we
can have as a doctor andpatients is that the doctor told
me one thing and he's right,but I don't understand quite the
thing that he's telling me.
I need to understand adifferent way.
(40:12):
Why?
Because I don't know all thosemedical jargons and sometimes we
have the misconception it's mymistake.
We throw out the medicaljargons that we know because we
think, oh, yeah, they willunderstand.
No, let's simplify the thingsthat we say.
Let's simplify the information,understand that information in
a deeper way, that it's going tobe easy and accessible for
(40:36):
others to understand andcommunicate.
Well, that part.
So I think that's somethingthat I'm working on it too,
because as a doctor, sometimeswe try like yeah, yeah, I put in
that easy way the information,but sometimes we throw our
medical jargons withoutrealizing things because we got
used to it.
So that thing that I want tochange, like also in my book, I
(40:58):
talk about medical things but Iput it in a way that people can
understand it.
It's easy to digest.
You put it in a simple way,simple format, and I think
that's something that we try,because that's also it's how to
build trust.
Because how can you build trustin someone that you don't
understand what he's saying,even though that you have all
(41:18):
the recognitions, you know thathe is smart, but you don't
understand him?
But that's why, for me, it'ssomething that the trust that
you build also goes with thecommunication that you have.
Develop those qualities, as yousay be empathetic, be
vulnerable, but at the same time, have effective communication
with the patient, have effectivecommunication with someone else
that you're talking to.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Absolutely.
Communication is thecornerstone to any relationship,
and especially with the doctorpatient, so very, very vital.
Well, we're about wrapping uptime here, edgar.
Is there anything else youwould like to leave us with?
And tell us again the title ofyour book and how we can get a
copy?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
of it?
Yeah, for me I would like.
You can find the book on Amazon.
The title of my book iswellness optimizing yourself.
You can see the hardcoverpaperback audio book we have.
I have the ebook on amazon.
You can get it also.
You can find me in differentsocial media on instagram, edgar
(42:21):
reno's, vanderbos, dr vanderbos, and also I'm in le Lincoln.
One thing that I really like tosay there is one of my favorite
quotes.
It's by Carl Jung that say theworld will ask you who you are,
and if you don't know who youare, the world will tell you.
So be curious, find yourself,understand there are deeper
(42:42):
informations.
Have the curiosity to changeyour perspective and know there
is more than what you thinkthere are.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Fantastic.
Well, thank you for thisconversation and coming early
morning to share with everyonehere.
So I wish you the best and I'mexcited again to see a young
doctor who really understandsthe full body care.
So again, I wish you the bestof luck.
Thank you so much for sharingyour expertise with us.
Thank you everybody forlistening.
(43:12):
I hope you have a wonderful day.
Hello, I'm Dr Rachel Carver, aboard-certified naturopathic
biologic dentist and a certifiedhealth coach.
Did you know that over 80% ofthe US population has some form
of gum disease?
Many of us don't even know thatwe have this source of chronic
infection and inflammation inour mouth that's been linked to
(43:35):
serious consequences like heartdisease, diabetes, stroke,
dementia, colon cancer, kidneydisease, even pregnancy
complications.
Would you like to learn how toreverse and prevent these
chronic debilitating conditionswithout spending a lot of time
and money at the dentist?
Join me for my six-week coursewhere I will teach you the root
cause of disease.
You'll learn how to be your ownbest doctor.
(43:56):
Are you ready to get started?
Let's go.
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