Revolutionizing Dental Health: Diabetes, Root Canals, and Holistic Healing with Dr. Dawn Ewing

Can dental health really impact conditions like diabetes? Unlock the surprising connections between your teeth and overall wellness with Dr. Dawn Ewing on this enlightening episode of "The Root of the Matter." Dr. Ewing, the executive director of the International Academy for Biologic Dentistry and Medicine (IABDM), shares her incredible journey from dental hygiene to her role today, punctuated by experiences as an EMT and flight medic. Her unique perspective on patient care emphasizes the importance of open-mindedness and interdisciplinary collaboration in achieving comprehensive healthcare.

Listen as Dr. Ewing unveils startling insights into how dental infections can wreak havoc on systemic health, particularly in diabetics. Hear an eye-opening case where the removal of an infected tooth drastically improved a patient’s blood sugar levels, challenging conventional medical teachings. We delve into the contentious topic of root canal treatments, discussing their potential to harbor harmful bacteria and toxins, and how these can stealthily impact your overall health. This episode is packed with valuable information that prompts listeners to reconsider standard dental practices in favor of a more holistic approach.

We also tackle the concept of electrical connectivity in the body and how problematic teeth can disrupt vital functions, akin to an electrician troubleshooting a faulty circuit. Dr. Ewing explains energy-based therapies and their role in enhancing the body’s natural healing abilities. From the significance of OSHA compliance in dental safety to the environmental factors affecting our health, this episode is a treasure trove of knowledge, advocating for a biologic and integrative approach to dental and overall health care. Tune in for a fascinating conversation that bridges the gap between traditional dentistry and holistic wellness.

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Learn more about Dr. D Ewing https://drdawn.net/

Read her book: Let the Tooth Be Known, 3rd Edition

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Everybody.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Root of the Matter.
I am your host, dr RachelCarver, and today we have Dr
Dawn Ewing with us, who is Idon't even know how to describe
you, dawn.
Your resume is 20 pages long.
She is an amazing practitioner,a naturopathic practitioner,
based out of Houston, texas.

(00:20):
She has so many differentcertifications.
I started out as a hygienist,has certifications in
naturopathic medicine andintegrative medicine.
She does a lot of energy workthermography.
Dawn is also the director ofthe International Academy for
Biologic Dentistry and Medicine,so maybe we'll talk a little
bit more about that academy andhow it helps dentists like

(00:42):
myself and hygienists reallyembrace some of these
technologies and philosophies tobring better healing to our
patients.
She's also an author.
She's written a book called LetTooth Be Known.
So after this interview I canread a little bit more again
about biologic dentistry and getto know some good stuff.
So again, you have a very Ilove that you were an EMT for

(01:03):
all those years.
You just have your finger in somany.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, god took me on quite an incredible journey of
learning.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
So what I love and I think is so special about you is
that you have so many differentperspectives because you've
been in different facets ofhealthcare, and I think the more
open-minded we are aspractitioners, the more we can
bring to our patients and ourcolleagues.
Because I think sometimesthat's part of the problem in
conventional medicine.
We go to medical school, we doa residency, maybe, and we have

(01:36):
a very narrow focus of practice,right, we forget that the rest
of the body is all connected.
Right, we know one thing andwe're an expert, and thank
goodness we have specialistslike that.
However, sometimes it becomesso narrow-minded that you forget
how the whole body works, right?
So maybe just tell us a littlebit about your background, how

(01:59):
you came to be the executivedirector of the IABDM.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Okay, I did start off as a dental hygienist, went to
University of Texas DentalBranch here in Houston and I was
perfectly content doing hygienefor many years.
I got so involved in hygienethat I served on the Texas State
Board of Dental Examiners fortwo terms and then I moved out
to a small town and that smalltown I happened to witness a car

(02:27):
accident and I got out of mycar to help the person and that
was a rural area with a ruralvolunteer fire department,
volunteer EMS and they justfreaked that.
Somebody got out to help andasked me if I would start taking
EMT classes, which morphed intoparamedic classes, and then I
became a flight medic andtraveled around the world.

(02:49):
So that did give me a differentperspective.
In dentistry nobody ever tellsyou thank you.
Oh my God, you saved my lifeand that was what I was thriving
on in EMS.
It didn't matter what kind of acall we made.
Thriving on.
In EMS it didn't matter whatkind of a call we made.
Usually there was a thank youand I didn't realize how much I

(03:15):
was fulfilled by hearing thankyou over and over again.
So it was really hard to goback into dentistry.
But I got married, I gave birthto a son that had neurological
problems and I tried going backinto EMS because I loved it, but
it was really difficult for meleaving my son and, yeah, it was
just became too hard.
So I did find a dentist.
That was a biological dentist.
That really started.

(03:37):
It seemed like he was courtingme, kept showing up at my house
talking to Toby and I about howI need somebody that understands
how the whole body works butunderstands dentistry.
Please come be my hygienist, Iwill change your world.
And what got me was he said Iwill let you set your own hours.
And I said I really am thinkingabout going back to school,

(03:58):
getting my PhD, and I'll let youset your hours for that too.
That was really what made mewant to go there.
I didn't even know aboutbiological dentistry and then,
as I started going to courseswith him on biological dentistry
and I don't wanna say I knew asmuch as the dentists, but I

(04:19):
knew as much as anybody elsethat was attending those
conferences but you're rightfrom maybe a different
perspective I just started hookline and sinker getting into it.
And then Toby told me that ourschool notes because I had gone
back to school were more thanour home mortgage and that I

(04:41):
needed to suck it up and startbringing in income.
And that it was ridiculous thatI had so many different
licenses that required so manyhours of CE every year that I
would have to take off a day ofwork, fly somewhere, pay $1,500
to attend a class.
And he just didn't understandthat.

(05:01):
And so that particular meeting Iwas going to an IABDM meeting
out in Carmel.
At that time it's called theABD and the person that was the
executive director her husbandis the one that founded it and
he'd had a stroke and she wasjust tired.
And she looked at me and saidis there any way that you'd be
willing to take over the academy?
And I said I have aneurologically challenged child

(05:25):
at home.
I don't think my husband wouldlet me do one more thing.
Tell me what it is I have to do.
And she said basically, yourmain job is getting together the
conference each year, decidingon who the speakers will be.
And I said wait a minute, Iwould get to pick the speakers
and I would get CE and listen tospeakers that I want to listen

(05:49):
to and not just somebody else.
I mean, I don't care what Ihave to do, I'm in.
And so I came home, told Toby,who was not real thrilled, but
as time went by he became thetreasurer of the organization
and the assistant directortreasurer of the organization
and the assistant director.
So he really has been veryhelpful through the years.
And I did get to finish my PhDin integrative medicine and then

(06:11):
I did open a practice, butpart-time because I do.
I put in at least 40 hours aweek for the academy, answering
people's phone calls, trying tofind a dentist, explaining to
dentists what they need to do inorder to satisfy being a
biological dentist and whyanybody can call themselves

(06:32):
anything.
Somebody can call themselves anatural dentist.
There's no anything that wouldkeep them from saying that.
But the criteria for abiological dentist is set and so
it was frustrating to me thatanybody could call themselves
anything and it wasn't clear tothe lay people.

(06:53):
So we actually established acertification and we got it
trademarked so that a dentistwill go through 17 modules of
training anything fromhomeopathy to meridians.
Modules of training anythingfrom homeopathy to meridians.
Not that they're anacupuncturist, but they do
understand the application ofhow that applies to teeth and

(07:13):
where they would need to referto and because the body is a
whole but not one person canwork on that whole body, it does
get divided up into differentpractitioners and so the academy
has become instrumental reallyin education, not only to lay
people.
I spoke at Weston Price thislast year and that was basically
to lay people, telling themthis is what you should expect

(07:36):
when you're looking for abiological dentist Educating
people about root canals Veryclearly.
I was told at the dental schoolthat a root canal is taking out
the nerve and the blood supplyand the lymphatics, sterilizing
the tooth, putting a crown on itand telling the patient they
would be fine.
And I believed thatwholeheartedly.

(07:58):
And that's what I told peoplelet's try to save this tooth at
all costs.
We'll set up a payment plan foryou.
It wasn't until I got intonaturopathic medicine and I'm
learning how to read blood work,because dentists don't learn
anything about blood work, and Iwas frustrated because I had a
patient that obviously had aninfection that when I timeline
the labs four years ago, theneutrophils were high, the

(08:22):
lymphocytes were low and I couldnot find an infection anywhere
in this person.
They did have an elevatedhemoglobin A1C and so everybody
that was my professors, don whatdon't you see?
The person needs to go onmetformin.
Obviously they've got diabetes.
Yes, the hemoglobin A1C was 15.
I couldn't find an infection,though.

(08:44):
So I'm seldom quiet, but I waslaying in bed and I was quiet.
And that's when you hear voicesof God coming into you saying
this is what you need to do.
And I went back and I said doyou have a toothache?
No, are you sure?
I'm positive, I don't have atoothache.
I know what a toothache feelslike.

(09:05):
About four years ago I had tohave a couple of teeth root
canal and I went oh my gosh.
I didn't even ask anythingabout teeth.
In my quest to learn more aboutnatural medicine, I was trying
to abandon anything I knew aboutteeth.
And yet I sent him to a dentist.
He had several root canals, butone of them had re-absessed and

(09:27):
it was so bad that it couldn'tbe retreated.
It was going to have to beextracted.
But the patient was mad at meand he called me all upset I
don't feel any pain.
You don't know how much I spenton that root canal and that
crown I'm not having the toothtaken out.
And I thought oh my gosh, isyour wife home?

(09:47):
What I said put your wife onthe phone, let me talk to her.
So I explained to her what wasgoing on, or what I thought was
going on.
She did exactly what I wouldhave done, which is be like a
chihuahua on his heels, and heultimately got the tooth taken
out, but he was still angry atme.
But because he was one of mycase presentations in school, I

(10:07):
need to track him down andfinish his case, which meant I
had to redo his blood workbecause it had been so long
since he'd seen me been likefour months, and when I did, his
hemoglobin A1C was 5.2.
So I ran to one of myprofessors who said, missy,
somebody put him on metformin.
Okay, I didn't ask him.

(10:30):
So I ran back and I said are youtaking any prescriptions?
What Are you taking?
Metformin, what's that?
Never mind.
And I went back and I said no,he had a tooth taken out.
I don't understand how can atooth have anything to do with
diabetes.
Had a tooth taken out.
I don't understand.
How can a tooth have anythingto do with diabetes?
And so it was infected.

(10:53):
It was a root canal.
What's a root canal?
And I'm like what Physiciansdon't learn.
They have no concept.
I've had doctors call me thathave received reports from a DNA
connection test and physicallytell me it's a sham of a test
because eight of these bacteriacan only be found in a cadaver
and my patient is sitting acrossfrom me breathing.
So this is just a sham.

(11:13):
And I said, okay, did they tellyou that this was a root canal
tooth that was removed?
No, what would that make anydifference?
It's a cadaver.
Do what?
When I explain to them what aroot canal is, most of them say
why would a dentist do that?
Because that's the standard ofcare.
That's what they're taughtPhysicians.
Now is my quest to get them tounderstand to at least ask more

(11:37):
questions.
They're pretty good now aboutasking a patient to open their
mouth and look for amalgams.
They're better about that Atleast the functional doctors are
.
But I remember when I wasgrowing up, your doctor would
look in your throat, put atongue depressor in and would
look for oral cancer.
Not anymore.
That's fallen on the dentaloffice and we've taken it up,

(12:02):
probably better than a physicianever did, because the mouth is
our arena.
So that's my background and howI got started.
Now my passion is reallyteaching as many people what I
have come to know as the truth,and let them decide for
themselves.

(12:22):
I'm telling anybody this iswhat you have to do.
Truth, and let them decide forthemselves.
I'm telling anybody this iswhat you have to do.
Just tell them these are thefacts of how a tooth works, how
the tubules work, how your bodyworks, and if you will do some
more research, you will actuallyfind that I'm not pulling any
wool over your eyes.
And then they make their owndecision and go into a dentist

(12:43):
and talk to them about what theycan offer.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Fantastic.
I think the best thing we cando as dentists, especially as
biological dentists, is tellthese stories, because people,
you can lecture to somebody allyou want, right.
But when you tell a story likeyou did, that's so relatable,
that's so helpful to a patient.
But it's so interesting whatyou said that, hey, you take out

(13:06):
an infected tooth and the bloodsugar gets so much better,
right.
Hba1c for those of you who arenot familiar is a measure of
blood sugar over three months,so it's a really good marker to
see how a patient's doing versusa blood glucose that day in the
blood.
That's just a momentary marker.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yes, what was interesting in his case was and
I got to present it to my classwas that they need to create a
new level of diabetes.
We have type 1, we have type 2,we have gestational, but there
should be a conditional diabetes, and that is when someone has

(13:44):
something like an infectionbecause he wasn't really a
diabetic Once this tooth wasremoved and the infection was
reduced.
Now, mind you, he still hadother root canal teeth that I am
absolutely 100% sure, ifremoved and tested, would have
been infected, but not at thelevel.
That one was that there shouldbe a conditional diabetes.

(14:09):
That lets us understand thatthere can be certain situations,
so we should start looking foras soon as the A1C is over 5.7.
Let me see if there's somethingelse going on that would
reverse this.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
So can you explain to us a little bit?
What's the mechanism?
How come a tooth that doesn'thurt?
How can that affect your bloodsugar?

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Okay, just the infection itself, and the reason
that this tooth didn't hurt wasbecause the nerve was removed
by the dentist in the process ofthe root canal.
Now the hemoglobin A1c isactually looking at the amount
of sugar that's coated on theoutside of a red blood cell, and
I explained to a person thatthose sugar molecules are like

(14:54):
spikes and I speak in wordpictures because of my son being
neurologically compromised, soevery time I lecture it's very
visual, and so I like to thinkabout the martial arts that have
those metal discs that theythrow and they're like a star
with sharp points all over it.
That's what those red bloodcells look like.
It's super interesting when youare doing cadaver lab and

(15:18):
you're involved in an autopsyand you've got someone very
knowledgeable doing it with you,and so I've had opportunities
where I've had either amortician or I've had the
pathology professor open a bloodvessel and show you the
scratches on the inside of ablood vessel, which is what

(15:41):
happens when those red bloodcells have that sugar coating on
there.
And that is why diabetics goblind, because the blood vessels
get all mucked up.
Because what happens when youhave an injury to the inside of
a blood vessel?
You're going to start layingdown a scab to cover that over
and that blocks the blood beingable to float through that blood

(16:02):
vessel.
They end up on dialysis.
They end up losing feet becauseof it is just coming into
diabetic realm.
You can usually try to swaythem.
Not everybody is willing tochange their diet.

(16:24):
I get that.
So then we start lookingoutside of the box about what
other things we can do.
And an infection for a diabeticif they get a cold, their sugar
levels are going to be harderto manage.
If they get an ingrown toenail,if they get an abscess, which
is why it's so critical thatdiabetics take care of wounds,

(16:48):
because simply getting theirtoenails cut can be a big deal.
If they injure themselves, theycan end up with a massive
infection.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
It's funny because I had a patient just the other day
.
She scheduled for two removalof two teeth and she said I
don't want the right one removed, it doesn't bother me Again.
I have to go into thisconversation, only take out the
left, because that one isbothering me.
I have to go into thatconversation of you're fortunate
that it's not bothering you andthat's because the tooth is
dead right.

(17:18):
And the problem with root canaland it's a great technique that
we learned to try to save teeth.
But when that technique wasdeveloped we didn't understand
what happens when something isdead.
I explained to my patients likeif your appendix was inflamed,
right, we don't go in there,clean it out, stuff it with
rubber and put it back in yourbody, right?

(17:38):
People just laugh every time Isay that because that sounds
ridiculous.
That's essentially what we'redoing with a root canal.
We're taking, as you said,removing the blood, the lymph,
all of anything that makes atooth alive.
The tooth is an organ, justlike an appendix the liver and
we're mullifying it.
Like you said, you called it acadaver tooth.
So the tooth is now dead,there's no more blood supply and

(18:03):
there's no more nerves and thisis why root canal teeth
generally don't hurt.
Once you've had the root canaltreatment they don't hurt
typically.
Sometimes when they re-abscess,yes, you can have pain with
that, but typically they don'thurt.
However, you talked about DNAconnection.
So this is a lab that you cansend extracted teeth to and they
will test for hundreds ofdifferent bacteria, parasites,

(18:24):
lime fungus.
100% of root canal teeth willalways show what the amount may
differ and the type of organismsmay differ.
But you always find thatbecause when and I think of this
as a way of frequency and maybewe can then go into that a
little bit when a tooth is dead,the vibration, the frequency of

(18:45):
that tooth is going to bedifferent than one that is vital
and alive, that has blood andnerve right, and so that
frequency can attract thoseorganisms.
Right, they can go live up thereat the end of those teeth
because the immune system can nolonger see them right, so it's
like their little haven up there.
There's no more blood spout,their immune cells are not in

(19:05):
that area anymore, and so that'swhy these organisms can
proliferate.
And big problem right, is thattheir byproducts, their toxins,
are released right into ourlymph system, right, the lymph,
20% of our lymph in that headand neck and that's how it can
travel to the rest of the bodyand can create inflammation in
other parts of the body, right,even though the source may be in

(19:26):
the teeth.
And this is why I think wereally want to educate our
physician friends, because whenthe CRP, which is another kind
of common inflammation marker,that HSCRP can be elevated, why
and if you can't find an obviousinfection, we've got to look in
the mouth Always?

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Right.
See, when I went to school,what I was told was the tooth
was like a Tupperware containerthe enamel on the outside
wouldn't allow stuff to get in.
That's what I was taught, andthat plaque magically appears on
your teeth every 24 hours.
But now we're not really surehow.
We think it has to do with theenzymes in your saliva and food
that you eat, and that's how itappears.

(20:06):
It wasn't until I ended up innaturopathic medicine that,
first off, I'm seeing peoplethat have feeding tubes, so
they're not eating using theirmouth and they still build up
plaque.
And I'm going, huh, thatshouldn't be.
And then I started learning howa bone works.
So now when I talk to patientsI say pretend you're brushing
your teeth, you're getting readyfor bed and you really want

(20:30):
them to be nice and clean, so doa really good job.
You floss, they feel so slickwith your tongue.
But what do they feel like thenext morning?
They're all gross and slimy andyour breath stinks.
Why you didn't get up and eatanything?
Because your tooth is made oftubules that are like three
miles of little straws, withbone marrow inside each straw.

(20:52):
And when your heart beats, theblood that's inside the tooth
pulses and pushes through thatbone marrow to the outside.
So basically, your tooth poopswhile you sleep, but the truth
is it poops during the daytimetoo, but we don't often stop
long enough to notice that.
Some of us that are very teethdriven will say my teeth feel

(21:13):
scudsy, I need a toothbrush, butmost people notice it first
thing in the morning.
So if that's true, that thefluid flows from the inside of
the tooth to the outside in ahealthy tooth, then when you
remove the blood supply in thecenter of the tooth instantly
you have stopped all nutritionto this bone marrow that's in

(21:36):
these three miles of tubules andit starts to become mushy and
it sends off a stink.
God put bacteria on this planetto scavenge dead flesh and
somehow in the things that youeat, pick up, touch, that
bacteria ends up in your mouthnear that tooth, gets in through
the tubules and starts eatingthe dead flesh.

(21:57):
It's in a dark, moist, warmenvironment.
It's basically in heaven,multiplies till it can't fit
inside the tooth and everysingle time you chew you are
squishing out the bacteria intohealthy blood in the bone of the
jaw and it circulates to otherareas, which is why years ago

(22:19):
there was an infectious diseasecontrol physician downtown that
every time she'd findosteomyelitis in a knee she'd
send them up to me to find outif there was a dental problem.
And we had a conversation oneday and I said why do you only
send them up for knee?
Oh, you know, what I found outIs that every time I'm about to
amputate somebody's leg becausethey have osteomyelitis of the
jaw, I find they have a rootcanal.

(22:41):
I think I found a link and Iwent oh my God, yes, you did
find a link, but it's not justfor osteomyelitis of a knee, it
can be anything.
Everybody should be looking forthem.
And yet it's very frustrating.
In the dental school they'restill teaching the same thing
you can remove the nerve, youcan remove the blood vessel and

(23:04):
the lymphatics.
No, don't worry about the flesh, because we're going to seal it
in there.
We're going to entomb it, whichwe're only entombing it from
the inside.
The bacteria is getting fromthe outside of the tooth in.
So we haven't done anything atall.
We've just provided ananaerobic environment, which
means it doesn't have any oxygensupply and that bacteria goes

(23:27):
crazy.
It doesn't matter if we laserit, it doesn't matter if we use
ozone.
So when someone tells a patientthat they're going to do a
biological root canal, I wouldjust like to tear their eyes out
because it's not true.
The word bios is life.
If we've done a root canal, wehave just taxidermied this tooth
.
It is no longer alive.

(23:48):
It created a disconnect.
If you had a lamp and youplugged it in and it worked.
That's the way a healthy toothis.
If I unplugged that lamp fromthe wall and I got an X-Acto
knife and trimmed open a smallamount of the rubber and peeled
that rubber back so I could seethe wire, and got a pair of wire
cutters and cut out an inch ofthat wire, folded the rubber

(24:11):
back so that the cord looksgreat, plug it in.
I cannot get that light to turnon.
That is a root canal.
Forget the bacteria.
Even if we could sterilize thetooth, I have an electrical
disconnect.
There is no place in medicine.
If we remove a mole, we areduty bound to send that to a

(24:33):
pathologist.
Dentists take out teeth and,freaking, throw them away.
It should be the standard ofcare that the patient is
educated.
Now the frustrating part is,let's say and I'm not quoting
anybody here, but let's just sayit's $1,500 to take out a tooth
.
I think what happens is the daythey're collecting the money for

(24:54):
the extraction, they say oh, msJones, we have this test.
It's like $500 to have thattooth checked to find out what's
in there.
Do you want to find out what'sin there?
And the person says $500 more.
No, I don't think so.
Now if they were shown a reportand said look out, of 500 teeth
that we've tested in our office, 500 teeth that we've tested in

(25:17):
our office, 150 times Borreliashows up, that's Lyme.
350 times H pylori shows up,which is a precancerous
situation which your physiciancan give you an antibiotic for
and retest you to make sure it'sgone.
If they understood what they'resaying no to, and if they
understood that you can put morethan one tooth in the vial and

(25:38):
it's $500 per test, not pertooth, they might answer
differently.
And then they have to beeducated that when the dentist
gives them the report, thedentist doesn't even know what
those bacteria are.
They don't know how topronounce them.
It's not in their scope ofpractice.
So they just hand them thesheet with their eyes bugged out
and the patient looks at it andgoes well, this is pretty bad.

(25:59):
What do I do with it, take itto your functional medical
doctor.
They are the ones that will gothrough there and decide do you
need systemic ozone?
Do you need an antibiotic?
What kind of treatment do weneed to do?
Sometimes, some of the thingsthat show up involve an

(26:19):
infectious disease controlphysician.
It's mind boggling what showsup in these.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
You know you talk about Lyme, which is one of
those insidious things that Ithink probably almost all of us
have some of that relia or aco-infection, because it's not
just ticks right, we can get itthrough mosquitoes, we can get
it, the mother can give it tothe baby, sexually transmitted,
and really it's when your immunesystem becomes depressed that
those can come out.
But those that can linger forso long and create so many low

(26:44):
grade issues and again thesethings can be in dead teeth.
So you mentioned about electric.
I want you to talk a little bitabout how you use your EAV.
So, for example, my best friendI'm going to give a shout out
to Dr Candice Bruno out there inAustin so she'll look at as a
biologic dentist.
She looks at these 3D x-raysand trying to determine what's

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going on.
Somebody's having all thesesymptoms.
Is there a potential cavitation, which those of you not
familiar with that term is whenyou have an extracted tooth, for
whatever reason, it doesn'tfill in properly.
That's another place.
So we have root canals wherethese organisms can overgrow,
but a cavitation site or anextraction site that didn't heal
properly now and it heals fromthe outside.

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So if you look in the mouth,the gum tissue may look
perfectly healthy Again, you'renot having a major fever or
anything.
But this is another area wherethere's no blood supply and so
these organisms can hang out andit's same thing all of their
byproducts and still get intocirculation and cause problems.
So one way we try to diagnosethis is symptoms.

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A lot of people who will sayafter having a wisdom tooth,
maybe a year or two later ormaybe right away, they started
having neck and shoulder issue,maybe ringing in the ears,
things that you wouldn't thinkto connect to tooth extraction.
And then you may look at this3D x-ray and maybe there's an
area that doesn't look as denseon the bone, but it's not
necessarily.

(28:07):
Tell us how you help biologicdentists determine whether or
not we want to be more invasiveand do a cavitation surgery,
because, as we know, every timewe cut tissue we can create more
interference fields andpotentially other electrical
issues.
So we want to make sure we'remaking the right diagnosis and
do the proper treatment.
So you can explain a little bitabout how EAV works and what it

(28:27):
is.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Okay.
The way I explain it to apatient is you're looking at a
dishwasher in your kitchen.
Because you're looking at adishwasher in your kitchen that
doesn't work, it could be thatthe dishwasher burned up, it
could be that the breakertripped, it could be that
there's an electrical disconnectsomewhere on that circuitry.
And so when we talk about atooth and a meridian, each tooth

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is connected to organs that areon that specific meridian.
A meridian may have up to eightteeth on that particular
circuitry, and that's the way apatient understands it better.
If my dishwasher were dead andI bought a new one and installed
it and it didn't work, it'sprobably an electrical problem,
not the dishwasher, and in thatcase the electrician would use
an ohmmeter and go to every walloutlet and start plugging it in

(29:23):
.
And if he plugs it in and thelight comes on, that outlet
works.
The second outlet it works.
The third one it doesn't comeon.
So now he's got to cut a holein the sheetrock, find where the
wire is disconnected, splice itback together, goes to the next
one.
It doesn't come on.
It has to cut another hole inthe sheetrock.

(29:44):
Can't just repair the firstplace, we've got to repair both
the moment he splices thatsecond wire together, the
dishwasher starts runningbecause now we have electricity
going on the complete circuit.
That's the way the body is.
So if you have a root canaltooth, there are eight teeth on

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that meridian.
Think of it as an eight-lanefreeway.
That's the way your body is andall your little cells are going
and a tree falls out of the skyblocking all eight lanes.
That's a root canal tooth.
We have an electricaldisconnect.
You pick up a phone and try todial 911 and you have a dead
phone line.
You're going to go through theprocess, but you won't achieve

(30:27):
what you're after, which is toget an ambulance because nobody
hears you, because you have anelectrical disconnect.
It's not the bacteria, it's theelectrical disconnect.
Yes, there's bacteria in there.
I believe that God designed aperfect piece of equipment.
We're designed to healourselves.
We cut a finger we don't haveto go look it up the clotting

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cascade starts.
I believe that everybody isexposed to cancer cells, but if
your immune system is strongenough, you think you had the
flu and your body's going theflu.
Who told her she had the flu?
We just beat cancer.
It's all about your immunesystem.
But when we have thatelectrical disconnect and we're
calling out for clean up onaisle nine and nobody hears it.

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Then we have a hot mess onaisle nine and that's where
dentistry really needs to reallyfocus more research.
Because to me that was soforeign the very first time I
heard a patient came in and wastold that they had lymphoma

(31:32):
which they knew.
They had terminal lymphoma, andthey flew out to California and
saw a person who had theirdental license revoked.
So that sent up red flags forme.
Now it must be a quack.
He had his license removedbecause he refused to place
silver fillings, he refused toplace mercury amalgams and
California at that time told himyou can either work in a clinic

(31:55):
and we will monitor you, youwill place mercury fillings for
the next three years or we'lltake your license, and he said
you can have it.
He went back to school, becamea naturopath and started doing
this process, which was EAB, andhe told her this tooth is the
issue.
It's dead.
I personally took an x-ray onthat tooth.
It was not a root canal toothand you could see what looked

(32:20):
like viable tissue inside thattooth.
So I remember telling thedentist that I was working with
at the time this guy's a quack.
I would not do anything to thisperson.
This person's family ownedabout half of downtown Houston.
It's a very prominent familyand they chose to have a lawyer
draw up a contract that saidwe're not going to hold anybody

(32:42):
responsible for this, but wewant this tooth taken out.
And so the dentist that I wasworking with took out the tooth
and sectioned it in half and itwas dead.
That was very eye-opening forme.
How in the heck did he knowthat tooth was dead when
everything else we had indentistry told us just the
contrary, but that those allthree of the canals were as

(33:06):
calcified as could be, which wasjust the most bizarre thing?
She wasn't having anydiscomfort.
She did have the tooth takenout.
She did go into remission forsome time but unfortunately it
came back.
Her immune system had beenchallenged for so long.
But I've seen people I remembersitting in a surgery when tooth

(33:28):
number six was taken out and theperson started crying because
they could see.
Now my explanation at the timewas it must have been putting
pressure on an optic nerve.
This is stupid.
You can't take out a dead toothand somebody be able to see.
But now that I know that it'san electrical connection that's

(33:49):
being fixed.
Removing the tooth, taking outthe ligament and any other
infection is like removing thedead air space in a wire that's
cut and bringing the two wirestogether Instantly.
That lamp will come on beforewe've even taped it together.
That is what happens.
Your body heals itself whenthose blockages are taken out of

(34:13):
the way.
It's absolutely amazing.
The anecdotal stories that Ihave witnessed through the years
are what keeps me going.
You have so much hope.
No, you can never tell anybodythat their cancer will be healed
or that their non-Parkinsontremors will go away instantly
when a tooth is removed.

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But I have witnessed both ofthose where I don't have an
explanation.
I don't know.
All I know is that we removed aburden and the body could
function as it was designed.
I don't have an explanation.
I'm the one that can't figureout how my cell phone works.
I don't know when I type anemail, where cyberspace is when

(34:56):
I send it and how it takessometimes instantly, sometimes
longer for somebody to get anemail.
There's a lot of technology thatI use, but this one is
basically an o-meter and I amgoing through tooth by tooth,
area by area, putting in 50electrons, seeing how many can

(35:16):
come back, and if I've got adisturbance there, then I have
to go in and try to figure outwhat is the problem.
You could have a toothache andthat toothache because you have
a thyroid problem, but it'sreferred pain, just like someone
saying oh, I have painradiating down my left arm, doc,

(35:38):
cut my left arm off.
No, I think you're having aheart attack.
No, I'm having pain radiatingdown my left arm.
I'm telling you what to do.
Cut my left arm off.
Okay, they're going to die.
It's not the problem.
And so it is not uncommon that apatient will go to a dentist
over and over again.
I have pain, I have pain.

(35:58):
This tooth bothers me.
Take an x-ray, we tap on it, wedo a cold sensitivity test.
We can't find out what's wrongwith it.
Maybe it's a hairline crack.
I want to be your friend andmake your pain go away, so I'm
going to take the nerve out.
I'm going to do a root canal,doc, doc, I still have pain.
I think it's the tooth behindthere.
Oh, my God, the only thing Ican offer you is to root canal

(36:18):
the tooth behind there.
Okay, I still have pain.
Only, I don't know what to dofor you because it's referred
pain.
It's so frustrating and I getit.
We're taught in dentistrysomething and I thought that
whatever I learned especially ifit was from a state-run
university was the gospel.

(36:39):
Now you have to understand that.
I went to UTDB in 1975.
And in 1975, we were told totell patients don't eat eggs and
don't eat butter, becausethey'll make your cholesterol go
up.
Now, somewhere that changed,and those of us that have
continued educating ourselvesknow that eggs are a great
source of protein unless you'reallergic to them, and that

(37:01):
butter is incredible it makesyour good cholesterol go up.
You're allergic to them andthat butter is incredible it
makes your good cholesterol goup.
That's not.
Sugars are more reasons whyyour bad cholesterol will go up.
If you don't keep up witheducation in that arena, then
you're still thinking that whatyou learned in school was the
gospel and because you went to astate-run university and paid

(37:21):
really good money to go to thatschool, they couldn't have
possibly taught you somethingthat was wrong.
I think they call it practicingmedicine in dentistry for a
reason because we really don'tknow what we're doing and we do
things and then, if we're smartand we pay attention, for years
we put sealants on kids' teethand then we found out that we

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could actually seal bacteria inthe tooth and that the decay
could go on under the sealant.
And we found that thosesealants were plastic and they
were estrogen mimicking and wewere seeing more young boys with
man boobs because of theincreased estrogen.
And not only what we were doingin dentistry, but what was
being done throughout everythingwas in plastic.

(38:03):
And then they were beingexposed to so much plastic.
In the very beginning we tookout mercury fillings and we put
in gold.
We thought that would be better, but then those of us that pay
attention to our patients foundout that we were stimulating
many cancers.
We're stimulating many cancers.
Gold in acupuncture is used tostimulate the meridian and

(38:26):
silver needles are used todepress the energy in that area.
And so those of us that weretalking to each other and saying
, are you seeing this?
Yes, I think we should stopusing gold.
Then we started using plasticsand we had BPA in there.
Then we saw patients withglioblastomas.
So now we're going oh my gosh.

(38:46):
When people call and say whatmaterial should I use?
You have to do a compatibilitytesting.
I can't tell you.
I cannot tell you if you'reallergic to a strawberry by just
looking at you, and if you'venever had a strawberry, you
don't even know if you'reallergic to a strawberry because
your body hasn't beenchallenged yet.
So by doing a compatibilitytesting, then we're putting in

(39:08):
materials that you won't reactto.
That's the best thing to do.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
That's so important.
I just want to make one commentabout the whole idea of
practicing dentistry.
I had a patient the other day.
Tell my hygienist well, I hatedthat toothpaste that you guys
gave me last time.
It was a toothpaste that wasall minerals and probiotics,
none of the junky stuff.
And she's like I, like DrCarvanol, but I grew up in the
era of fluoride.
My hygienist is telling thestory after and I said, oh, I

(39:34):
wish you'd brought me in,because I would say that's the
great thing about science it'salways evolving and we're
constantly learning.
And now we know that fluorideis a neurotoxin.
There are a lot of problems,that if we really want to have a
healthy mouth, we need to putthe nutrients back in and remove
all those toxicities.
Again, I'm just a curious person.

(39:54):
I always want to know why.
So my practice is alwaysevolving.
I've had my own practice now 15years.
The first few years I didn'tknow anything about biologic
until I had my own health issuesand then, as I started to learn
that I just keep evolving, foryears I would try to do a better
root canal, like you said, morebiologic.
But then I finally said I can'tdo this in good faith anymore.

(40:14):
And if a patient say it's ayounger person and they fracture
one of the front teeth and theywant to have a root canal, I
said it's temporary.
I want you to think of this asa temporary solution because
again, we go into that educationand sure I have patients who
may have multiple root canalsand they maybe don't have any
health issues and what I say isthe root canal is still bad.

(40:37):
If you took that out, I thinkyou'd still find all this.
That person's immune system isfantastic, right, and they are
able to mitigate all of thosenegative toxins and what it is.
But I think we're seeing in nowmodern life with so many toxins
, with people born, people whoare in their 70s, 60s, 70s, 80s.
They were born before plasticscame about.

(40:58):
They were born before all ofthese terrible toxins existed,
so their immune systemsdeveloped really strongly,
unlike today.
Kids today are already bornwith their buckets half full.
Their immune systems arealready shot.
So that's why I think it's moreproblematic and we have to be
more aware.
And, just like you said, we'vereplaced heavy metals now with

(41:19):
plastics and there are someplastics by the other.
But that's why I'm such aproponent of prevention
education.
If I see a littledecalcification on an x-ray, my
first thought is not oh, webetter drill that up, put some
plastic in there.
No, what can we do to improvethe nutrition?
What can we improve?
How do we get more oxygen?
How can we prevent that?

(41:39):
Because once you cut into atooth, we haven't figured out
how to regrow enamel yet.
I'm sure there's going on andmaybe we will someday, but until
that I want to change thebody's terrain so that little
decalcification doesn't turninto full bone cavity, because,
as I try to tell my patient orlook at the meridian that tooth

(42:00):
is on and ask the question whydid that tooth decay when the
tooth next to it that's on adifferent meridian didn't?

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Because when you start looking at people's decay
patterns, you will often findthat the teeth that are decayed
are on the same meridian.
So it used to be when I wouldlook at a six-year-old and
they'd have decay on the twomandibular, the two bottom
molars not on the top ones, buton the bottom ones.
Of course we turn and fuss atthe parent and say you're not a

(42:29):
good parent.
You haven't been brushing yourchild's teeth.
They didn't lose a tooth before.
They got this one in Now.
I don't do that now.
What I do is look at the parentand say tell me if this kid has
asthma.
Tell me if they're in a housewith secondhand smoke.
Tell me if they poop 20 minutesafter every meal.
If not, then that is what wewant to focus on so they don't

(42:51):
get decay on six other teeththat are going to come in and be
on that meridian.
So when we're looking at thoseteeth now, we see incredible
opportunity to fix something toprevent decay more downstream.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
I have the meridian charts laminated in every
operatory and I love the onewith the pictures because
patients, like you said,patients can really see it with
a picture and, just like yousaid earlier, the person comes
in, they have a toothache.
You can't find any clinicalevidence.
I always I will pull out mynest scan, which is like a
bioenergetic scan, and I'mlooking for where is the energy
not flowing properly?

(43:29):
Right, so often right An uppermolar, it's on the stomach
meridian.
And so then my first questionis are you having any reflux?
Are you having any digestiveissues?
And oftentimes I've had so manytimes where I help somebody
with their reflux the toothstops hurting, right, Because,
like you said, it's referredpain and it happens a lot in
teeth.
It can happen in teeth.
Maybe they've been worked on alot, so they're a little bit

(43:51):
weaker, they have some kind offeeling or something.
But I love the energy becauseit's so important to understand
that it's all connected and ifand it is.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
we are energetic beings having a spiritual
experience.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
We are energy the moment, your energy ceases you
die, and how often when you'rehaving a toothache are you also
having some stressful emotionalexperience?
So again the whole energy inyour body has shifted to more of
a negative frequency, let's say.
That doesn't allow health andvitality.
This is the thing that Istruggle with the most is

(44:28):
getting my thoughts in line,because the thought patterns,
the negativity, the stress, allof that feeds into your physical
body and create those physicalsymptoms.
But it's starting in the mindright, because again we are all
just energy.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
When you were talking about root canals, something
came to mind.
Years ago Boyd Haley had acompany called Affinity Labeling
Technologies and those of usthat were practicing biological
dentistry at that time wouldsend teeth to him or proceeds to
him or some paper points aroundroot canal teeth, and what he

(45:04):
found was that there are fiveenzymes that inhibit the
production of ATP and that rootcanal teeth, the toxins that are
in those byproducts from allthe different bacteria and
fungus that are in there,inhibit the production of ATP.
So now I'm very comfortabletelling someone inhibit the
production of ATP.
So now I'm very comfortabletelling someone I can promise

(45:26):
you that those teeth are goingto come back non-sterile.
I can promise you that Can'ttell you what bacteria or fungus
is going to show up until thetest results come back, but I
can also promise you that thebacteria is inhibiting your
body's production of ATP, so youare giving up energy by trying
to maintain something that'sdead in your body.

(45:49):
You may tell me you feel great,you could feel better.
But here's the caveat Indentistry when we take out a
tooth, that's a permanent choice.
The tooth is now gone.
What do we replace it with?
We've got a couple of choices.
In the traditional dental worldit used to be a bridge and then

(46:10):
we morphed over into implants.
Titanium, which is the mostcommon thing used for dental
implants, is a hapten.
All titanium has nickel.
Haptens are anything that cantrigger an autoimmune response
Because it's metal.
It's like sticking a fork in anelectric socket and bending it
around.
Sticking it in the bottom itcan easily short out the entire

(46:32):
meridian.
I'm not a fan of titaniumimplants.
It is like a telephone polefalling across all eight lanes
of traffic.
So you removed your dead treeand now a telephone pole with
wires going probably not a goodchoice.
We do have a zirconia implantwhich is porcelain, but
electricity cannot go toporcelain at all.

(46:54):
It's not ability.
I know I've heard Dennis say ohyeah.
Well, when you chew youstimulate the meridian.
That's like taking my two wiresof a cut lamp and trying to hit
a coffee cup as hard as I canin order to get the light to
come on.
It's not going to happenbecause it's non-conductive.
But having said that, it's onlylike a stalled car in one lane

(47:18):
of traffic.
You still have seven lanes open.
The issue comes in when peoplehave multiple extractions all on
the same meridian, and thenthey get multiple porcelain
implants put in all on the samemeridian and they have no energy
to send through to the organand they end up sick.
And that's where I think aphysician and a dentist should

(47:39):
create a team where the dentistphysically asks okay, I need to
put two implants in and they'reboth on the same meridian.
Is the thyroid?
Asks okay, I need to put twoimplants in and they're both on
the same meridian.
It's the thyroid, breaststomach.
Is this person healthy enoughin those organs for me to
consider blocking 25% of theenergy going through those
organs, because every tooth onan eight-tooth meridian is 12.5%

(48:02):
.
A quarter may not be a big dealto a healthy individual.
Then again, if it's a breastcancer survivor, it might be the
dumbest thing you do.
And a dentist is not really theone looking at your health, nor
should they be the oneresponsible to make that

(48:23):
decision.
It really should be a physicianthat helps guide the dentist,
saying, yes, I have no problemswith you doing it, but that
requires a special physician.
That's somebody that is morefunctional, that's really taking
the time to educate themselves.
Just having a license doesn'tmean you know everything.
Matter of fact, new doctorscoming out of school know

(48:46):
nothing.
You think of a new dentistgetting out.
You think about a new hygienist.
We just have a license to touchyou and be able to start
practicing and then, after we'vepracticed so long, we do things
completely different than wefirst did out of school, because
that is when we learn.
I'm not saying don't go to anew dentist, that's right out of

(49:08):
school, but they're not goingto be as seasoned.
I wouldn't go to a new surgeonand have an appendix removed or
have cancer surgery performed bysomebody who just graduated.
I would probably look forsomeone who'd been out in
practice for a little while.
Maybe not somebody that's soold that they hadn't been up to

(49:30):
date on their continuingeducation, but yeah, somebody
who's been in practice for awhile.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Yeah, excellent points.
And again we talk about on thispodcast all the time about
those meridians and thatconnection and it's just, it's
super important.
You can look it up so easily onGoogle teeth meridians and just
something really important tobe aware of.
And all biologic dentists.
Through the IBDM I did thewhole certification process and
even working full-time, havingkids and all that is so doable

(49:58):
and it's wonderful.
And maybe if you've been doingbiologic stuff for a while, it's
not totally new.
But every time you hearsomething it more cements it in
your brain, right, every timeyou're learning it really
cements those really importantsacks and I think it's so
valuable that if you feel likeyou want to be in this field,
this is quantity that you haveto get certified.

(50:19):
There's just there's a lot ofinformation and, as Don said,
there's people call themselveswhatever they want.
But if you really wantsomething, you want to look for
somebody who is certified as abiologist, who's done this
extensive training, who reallyunderstands all this background,
who the most important thing isunderstanding that whole body
connection, and then somebodywho has connections with

(50:40):
functional medicine, doctors orhealth coaches or whatever,
because we may know a lotSomebody like Don, who has all
these different certificationsfantastic, but most of us know a
little bit about a lot ofthings, but we're not all.
You know everything to everyone.
So it's important to have thatteam.
And I think I'm also a certifiedhealth coach, but I realized I
don't really have the time.

(51:01):
That requires a lot ofdedication and one-on-one time
that I don't necessarily have.
So I've found a health coachthat I like to work with
Myofunctional therapy.
I think it is so important ifI'm trying to expand and help
with the jaw, but again, I don'thave the time or the bandwidth
to do that.
So we have people that help uswith that.
That team really I think is sovaluable as we're winding up

(51:27):
here.
One more thing you did someresearch on the ionic foot bath.
I think.
I saw that People are likethat's ridiculous.
You can't pull toxins out.
So maybe tell us a little bitabout what is the foot bath?
What does it really do?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
It's not really pulling toxins out.
Depending on the hardness ofthe water, you will see
different colors.
I know when I first was exposedto it it was an aqua chi and it
came out of Australia.
That was the very first one Isaw, and the person that was
selling it said oh, if it'sgreen, it comes out of the liver
, if it's white, it comes out ofthe lymphatics.

(51:58):
And where's the research onthat?
So I started doing research.
What I found and especiallyafter I talked to the people
that designed the original onesit's a copper wire wound around
a nickel plate.
It creates a magnetic fieldwhen you turn it on in the water
and so basically your bodybecomes a car battery and the

(52:24):
foot bath is a trickle charge.
Because if you actually, Itested the water before and
after and it was interestingwhat I found.
But what was really interestingis if you tested the person's
urine before they did a footbath and if you tested it the
day after they did a foot bath.
So what physically happens isyou are getting energy where you

(52:46):
need energy, where you'redeficient.
It will only take it where youneed it, and then those organs
function better and you are ableto discard toxins, because the
difference between the urine wasamazing and you hadn't taken a
supplement or anything.
Now you can use it too long,too often and end up with a

(53:10):
slight mineral imbalance andthat becomes an issue if you're
a cardiac patient and you are.
I had a person who called mefrom another state and said I
bought one of these from achiropractor.
I was told to fill the water inthe bathtub and to sit in there
for about an hour and do itevery day and I went oh my gosh,
it's just too much.
You will end up with higherminerals in the water afterwards

(53:33):
and I think that is just partof the process.
And again, part of that dependson the hardness of the water
that you're using, because Icould use the same person and
get different results dependingon whether I was using distilled
water with a little bit of saltin there or whether I was using
tap water made all thedifference in the world.
But the truth of what it does isit's a trickle charge for your

(53:56):
own body and, like I saidearlier, your body was designed
to heal itself.
It knows what to do, even ifyou could.
In acupuncture, we can findthese areas that the qi is not
functioning and we can get inthere and twist the needle and
we can force qi around theblockage and temporarily get a
connection.

(54:16):
If I had a dead phone line, buttemporarily I could have it
functioning just long enough tomake that phone call.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
I would get an ambulance.
Yes, the water is going tochange, but even if your feet
weren't in there, based on theminerals that are in the tap
water, it's still going tochange.
But that's what we're doing.
We're talking about.
The body is just this oneelectrical being.
In our modern world, a lot of usdon't have enough energy, right
?
So many of us have the symptomof fatigue, right?
The symptom of fatigue?
Right, we're not.

(54:44):
Like you said, there's a lot ofthings, not just dead teeth, but
a lot of things in our bodies.
All the toxins, all thoselotions and potions and
mouthwashes and stuff we'reputting in our body are
diminishing our ability tocreate good energy, so that,
therefore, we can't detoxify aswell.
So, yes, we may have geneticissues with that too, but again,
it's lower energy.
When we're putting our feet inthis water, we're giving our

(55:05):
body that energy it needs.
It's support, right?
So this is what I love aboutall things biologic is.
Ozone is one of those thingstoo.
We're not giving you a drugthat is going to stop a
biological reaction.
Instead, we are trying tosupport your own body's ability
to heal, and that's really, inmy opinion, the basis of
biologic dentistry.

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What can we do to support yourbody system so you heal yourself
, because that's how you havefewer side effects.
Right, you don't have anycontraindications because we're
supporting your body's naturalability to heal.
Unfortunately, in our modernworld there are so many
blockages to proper healing.
But your body knows it,innately, knows how to heal, and

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so when you go to somebodywho's biologic, you go to a
functional medicine doctor.
We understand these conceptsand have these different tools,
modalities that can that's whatwe want to do support the body.
So I think the foot bath is anice way to help support your
body's ability to remove toxinsand the research I read.
It can last for about threedays.
Like you said, you did theurine test a day after suddenly

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there's way more toxins that arebeing flushed out of there.
That's exciting.
So you can sit in a foot bathwhich is very nice and
comfortable, feels nice for 30minutes and then have a good
detox for the next few days.
Toxins in my opinion, toxinsand infections are at the basis
of all chronic disease.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
So if we have and it's not just when you're
talking about the chemicaltoxins and the emotional toxins.
An interesting find you're inyour home and you choose to put
a bed somewhere.
If you have a cat and that catsleeps in that area, it is not a
healthy place for you to be.

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Your cat is not choosing tosleep there because it smells
you and likes you.
Cats are drawn to negativeenergy.
Dogs are not.
The American Indians used tolook for wherever a coyote would
make a little dent in the grassand make a den to sleep, that
was a safe place to put yourteepee.
We expose ourselves.

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They're underground water andso we've got these magnetic
fields, a refrigerator, an EMS.
If somebody had a heart attackin their kitchen and they're
laying on the floor and I putEKG pads on them the moment the
refrigerator turns on, I cannotget any EKG.
I've got 60 cycle interferencefrom that refrigerator.
I've got to drag their buttinto another room away from the

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refrigerator.
So that means that if you aresleeping above a refrigerator,
behind a refrigerator, to thesides of the refrigerator, if
your bed is there, you're beingexposed to an incredible amount
of EMF that can affect yourhealth.
But it's not something I had.
One of the people in the classbehind me that was doing their
thesis work on a dead fish, andwhen I was waiting for my

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counselor, I am listening tothis guy pitch what he wants to
do and I thought I'm notbelieving this, but I did listen
to it.
At the end what happened was hebought his child a fish at
Walmart.
They put it in a bag, putoxygen in there, rubber banded
it.
He went home, floated it in thewater, released the fish.

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A little while later fish isdead.
Well, he scoops up the fish,puts it back in the bag, takes
it back to Walmart Sick fish.
They give him another fish.
He goes through the sameprocess.
Same thing happens.
Fish dies.
Now he's angry, takes thesecond dead fish back to Walmart
.
It's not a joke.
It sounds like I know.
It sounds like I'm telling ajoke.
Goes to the manager this timeand says look twice.

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I bought fish Twice.
I got them home Twice.
They died.
You have sick fish.
No, sir, let me tell you whathappens.
We get the fish through theback of the store.
When you walk out of the storeyou go through the theft
detector.
I want you to walk out thistime with the bag in the air so

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that the fish doesn't get zapped.
And let's see what happens Hisfish lived.
So now think about how often doyou walk through a theft
detector.
Think about how often when Iwas growing up, I was the remote
control.
My dad would tell me get up andchange the channel.
Nowadays you have a remotecontrol.

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If someone is standing behindyou and they're pushing the
remote control, there is someenergy field going through you
to the TV to elicit a response.
You're sitting and the garagedoor opener is this way Somebody
hits the garage door opener.
That energy doesn't stop rightthere, it continues.

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So we're constantly beingbombarded.
In the UK I have a friend, johnRoberts, who's a dentist, and
when he came over here to visitme one time he said Dawn, do you
have laws about your weefy?
I said, john, I don't even knowwhat a Wi-Fi is.
And he said, oh, the stuff thatconnects your computers through
the air.
And I said Wi-Fi.

(01:00:06):
Oh, okay, if that's what youcall it.
I said yeah, and he said whatdo you mean by laws?
If we have a patient that comesin and says they're EMF
sensitive, we have a switch wehave to flip.
That takes us back to hardwirewhat?
No, we are just now buildingschools with Wi-Fi in them,

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homes with Wi-Fi in them,daycares with Wi-Fi.
Are you telling me that you allhave information that says
that's not healthy?
Why don't the countries talk?
So there are a lot of thingsthat we are exposed to.
5g is a good example.
We're being exposed to thingsthat we can't see and yet can
feel.
I have a patient that when theyput the smart meter on her home

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, her daughter started urinatingon herself.
It took her forever to figureout that it was the smart meter.
They had to have their housegrounded with some copper wires
in order to stop that effect,but then later her daughter
started having a problem aboutthree years later because they
put a 5G on the pole outside herhouse.
She is going to be exposed tothis throughout her entire life.

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She's going to figure out whatshe can do to protect and shield
herself, because as fast as weare trying to detox, mankind is
coming up with more toxic stuffto expose us to.
It's awful, it's absolutelycrazy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
We have no Wi-Fi in our office.
We had a woman who was sosensitive that she had to come
to the office before she couldbe seen just to see if she could
tolerate even being in there,and she fortunately said this is
one of the cleanest offices,but we've had no Wi wifi for so
many years because I learnedabout this such a long time.
And in the house we make ourkids wire in all their phone.
They hate it, but I'm like oh,I'm sorry, this is just the way

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it is because there are schools.
It's crazy and I know peoplewill think you're cuckoo.
I bought my daughter asweatshirt one year that said
having a weird mom buildscharacter.
Never wore it but I was likethat's good.
I was like I have to buy itlike that.
So great, someday maybe she'llappreciate it.
But don, this has been awesomeand so eye-opening.
I encourage you to go check out, read her book.

(01:02:15):
Where else can?
If somebody wants to find outmore information about what you
do, all your research, is therea website or something they can
find more?

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
information.
I have stuff out there, I havesome videos out there.
I encourage somebody to find abiological dentist.
They can go to the IABDMwebsite and that's really where
they can start, and we even havea list of questions so that if
they don't have a biologicaldentist and they're not near you
, they're not here in Texaswhere they can find.

(01:02:42):
We've got quite a few here inTexas.
Used to be, when I took over ohmy gosh, almost 30 years ago now
, that biological dentists werejust impossible to find.
You had to go to Californiawhere people are weird.
But now Texas has a huge amount.
I don't have a biologicaldentist in absolutely every

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state.
There are some states thatstill have gag orders where
they're so fearful of losingtheir license that they're just
not willing to go there.
But it's becoming much morepopular because it's being
patient driven.
So we do have a list ofquestions and we even have the
answers so that they can call anoffice and find out what the

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difference is between an officethat says I'm mercury free,
don't worry about it.
No, no, mercury free just meansthey have made a personal
choice not to place new amalgams.
It does not mean that they knowhow to keep you safe when
taking out one of your oldamalgams.
So you don't want to hear thatsomeone is mercury free.

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You want to hear that they aremercury safe, meaning that they
have a protocol to keep you safe, and we have that all spelled
out.
Matter of fact, the protocoljust changed because OSHA
changed the mandates on thefilters being changed and the
mask fitting and what kind ofmask can be worn by the office.

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And now you have to change yourfilters after 50 hours of
exposure.
The first time you breathe in.
You have got to count down 50hours and change those filters
afterwards.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Somebody called and asked are you SMART certified,
which is what IOMT calls it,ibdm calls it the PROTECT
protocol, very similar and myteam knew that we did the SMART
protocol, but I'd never calledit that.
So my front office is like Idon't know what, your type?
And obviously the person saidyou don't know what it is and
I'm not coming, so it's reallyimportant that we also educate

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our team members about,obviously, our assistants.
They're involved in that, butthe team all the people at the
front.
They have to understand whatthings are called.
So that questionnaire is goodfor those of us who are
biologics and doing it.
Look at that.
Are we actually biologic, right?
Are we doing all these thingsthat are supposed to be somebody
who is certified?
It's really important that thewhole team, everybody,

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understands the whole missionand what we're trying to do.
Getting everybody educated isvery important.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
It really is I just talked to.
At the last meeting that was inLas Vegas, I talked to two
dentists that are in Californiaand I had met them the year
before and they said you scaredus to death so much about
mercury that neither my brothernor I do amalgam removal.
Now we hired somebody.
I said okay, and that persondoes all the amalgam removal and

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I was going to tell them aboutthe filters and so I said what
kind of mask do they wear?
And they said, oh yeah, boththe dentist and the assistant
were charcoal masks.
And I said no, those aren'tNIOSH rated, they are not OSHA
approved.
What the IAOMT says they'reokay and I said but they aren't

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OSHA approved.
I'm trying to educate you herethat as the owner of the
practice, you can choose to dosomething that kills yourself,
but an employee that's what OSHAis all about is required that
you provide correct PPE for them, protective equipment for them,
and you are not right now, soyou're not in compliance and you
could end up with a huge fineand your staff could sue you.
So they ran over to the personthat I pointed them to in order

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to get masks and they justwanted to buy masks and take
them home.
And I said, no, it has to befit tested.
So you can't.
You have to have someone thatcomes in and fit tests.
You with a bag over your headand they spray something that's
like mustard spray skunk sprayand they make you move around so
that you see if the mask stillfits.
If it doesn't, and you smellthat, you start coughing and

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that's how they know that themask doesn't fit.
But there's a little bit morethan just simply having
something for show.
It's yes, I want people to beeducated.
You have any questions?
You call me.
I will personally email you thenew protect protocol, which
will even tell you about theprotective clothing that you are

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wearing.
You don't cover up yourpatient's shoes during an
amalgam removal.
Those shoes must be thrown out.
They are now hazardous waste.
So there's an entire protocolto protect the patient, the
planet, your staff and yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Well, thank you so much, dawn, for everything that
you do and helping us have abetter health, better planet,
better dentistry.
Forget trying to deal withbureaucracies or dental schools.
Like you said, it's becomingmore popular because people are
demanding it.
But if people aren't aware,they're not going to demand it.
So we try to create thisawareness so that people
understand and start asking forbetter health because it's

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available, it's well known andwe just got to get it out there.
Yes, that's my mission.
Thank you for helping me.