October 5, 2025 • 49 mins
In this powerful episode of The Root of the Matter, Dr. Rachaele Carver sits down with two of her favorite practitioners and her very first repeat guests, Makenzie Evangelisto, functional nutritionist and founder of Harvest Wellness & Nutrition, and Katie Kitzing certified Emotion Code and Body Code practitioner from Honey Holistic Health.
Together, they dive deep into the connection between drainage, detoxification, and emotional health, revealing why true detox is about much more than supplements and green juices.
You’ll learn:
- The difference between detoxification and drainage and why both are essential for lasting wellness.
- How emotions get stored in the body and block physical healing.
- The surprising ways your nervous system health determines how well you detox.
- Why over-detoxing can backfire and how to listen when your body says “enough.”
- Real-life tools and gentle modalities such as muscle testing, castor oil packs, ionic foot baths, and body code work that support safe and effective cleansing.
- How mindset, prayer, and emotional processing can open the body’s natural pathways and help you feel grounded, lighter, and more resilient.
This conversation blends science, spirituality, and real experience to remind us that healing happens when we slow down, honor our emotions, and let the body flow.
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Dr.Caver (00:00):
Hello, everybody.
Welcome back to another episodeof The Root of the Matter.
I am your host, Dr.
Rachel Cover.
And today we have our firstever meeting with three of us.
I'm very excited.
And our first ever repeatguest.
You guys have been listening tothe podcast for a while.
You may recognize MackenzieEvangelista and Katie Kitzing,
(00:20):
two of my favorite people andtwo people who make up my uh
health team.
So welcome guys.
I'm so excited to have youtoday.
We're in the middle of ourdetox series.
So we are going to be talkingabout Mackenzie is a functional
nutritionist.
Katie has a couple of degreesand but I use her for my emotion
(00:40):
code work.
So we are going to talk aboutkind of drainage and detox and
why we need to address theemotions as part of our detox
protocol.
So Mackenzie, I'm going tothrow it over to you first to
tell us a little bit about whatdoes detoxification mean to you
and how does that differ out ofdrainage.
Makenzie (01:00):
Yeah, that's a really great question.
And honestly, sometimes when Ihear at first, I'm like, hold
on, I need to pause and thinkabout this for a minute, too,
because bolts seeminterchangeable in the
functional, holistic,alternative space.
And you'll hear us throw thoseterms around all the time.
Like they're buzzwords now.
You hear them everywhere.
Make sure you're supportingyour detoxification.
(01:22):
Make sure you're supportingyour drainage pathways.
While they certainly coincidewith one another, there are some
differences as well.
So, in simple terms, we canthink of detoxification as the
biochemical processes that occurwithin the body for it to
neutralize and expedite toxinsor different like pathogens from
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the body.
While the drainage pathways islike the plumbing throughout
that detoxification.
So the detoxification, insimple terms, is more that
biochemical pathway.
And that's typically happeningin your liver and in your
kidneys.
And so for that, you're goingto have within the liver phase
one and phase twodetoxification.
(02:05):
So during phase one, that'sreally where your body is taking
these toxic substances and it'sactually turning it into more
toxic substances, which ispretty interesting.
Then in phase two, this iswhere amino acids really come
into play.
And with the amino acids, itconjugates to these more toxic
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substances that the body hascreated as a byproduct of
detoxification.
And then it's helping topackage it up and essentially
send it out the shoe, which iseither going to go through your
urinary system or through thebile in your bowel movement.
And that's really dependentupon if something is more of a
water-soluble-based toxin or ifsomething is more of a
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fat-soluble toxin.
Then you have phase threedetoxification as well, which is
that full elimination excretionprocess.
Now, the drained pathways welive in are going to be things
like your lymphatic system andsupporting the liver and the
kidneys as a whole, making surethat people are like pooping on
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a daily basis, right?
That's a big one.
So if we're not poopingproperly, then we're not going
to be eliminating those toxins.
I would say those are like theprimary declencies of the two.
So just to kind of recap yourdetoxification pathway is going
to be more of that biochemicalprocess.
And then the drainage pathwaysis going to be the plumbing
throughout that kind of movesand actually excretes those
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toxins after they've beenneutralized and processed.
Dr.Caver (03:35):
So that's really simple.
Makenzie (03:39):
We simplified it as much as we can.
We broke it down.
Dr.Caver (03:41):
Yes.
So detox is happening in thosein our organs, and drainage is
more of a whole process to makesure that once the liver and
kidneys are doing the thing, itactually gets out of the body.
Because unfortunately, some ofus maybe are cloggy, right?
We have so much stuff in ourthe sewer, right?
We think of the lymph system asthe sewer.
(04:04):
And if we are sedentary, whichmost of us are sedentary beings,
they always say, well, ourelimination, our lymph doesn't
have a pump like the heart tomove our blood, right?
So unless we are moving, thatwe're not moving the lymph.
So it can become very stagnantand then it makes it more
challenging.
Many of us suffer fromconstipation.
That's another form ofsluggishness and lack of
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elimination.
So if you are not having one totwo to three bowel movements a
day, that's a problem, right?
If you look at our animals,they eat and poop immediately,
right?
That is how the body isdesigned.
There's actually a reflux,reflex in our stomach.
Once food hits there, there's areflex that goes to our large
intestine, be like, okay, let'smake room, move it on out,
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right?
So many of us have toxins, wehave all sorts of things at the
most and so if we are noteliminating what's happening,
one, we could be building up allthose toxins in the large
intestine, or a lot of those,there's also a connection from
the large intestine right backto the liver.
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So we can often recirculate,and those toxins will then come
back to the liver, or then ifthe liver's over, well, I gotta
stuff it somewhere.
And where do toxins like to bestored in our fat.
So when we think about, youknow, if we're gaining weight,
what is that really a sign of?
Could that be a sign that we'reredistributing toxins?
(05:29):
And so we're gonna make morefat because toxins are very
dangerous, right?
We don't want them in ourbrain, we don't want them in our
liver, we don't want them inour heart, right?
So the body is ingenious.
Okay, let's store, let's keepthem in the fat.
So anytime you feel like you'regaining weight, this is what we
want to see.
How can I detox?
How can I open those drainagepathways better?
And again, constipation issomething a lot of us suffer
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from and it's very challenging.
In that vein of one of thereasons, maybe Katie, you can
pipe in here and talk to us alittle bit about that whole idea
of constipation and holding onto something.
Like, what do you see in termsof some of my rear clients?
Do you do you notice a patternin people who tend to be more
constipated that there's someemotional component there?
Katie (06:15):
Absolutely.
There's our emotions arereally, in a way, almost an
invisible version of some of thephysical things that clog up
our system.
So there might be a toxin or apathogen that's stuck and stored
in the body, and our emotionsare similar to that.
So if we use the analogy ofmaybe, let's say you're looking
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at a stream of water, though youwould see the stream of water
go from one side to the other.
And an emotion might representa really big rock.
So what happens is that waterstarts to flow around the rock.
And if you have tons of rocksin that river, you start to see
that overall that flow starts toslow down.
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It's not flowing as fast as itshould.
And maybe even in some cases itpools up in a little area
because things have gottenstuck.
And so it's going to interferewith the body's ability to
process information, whetherit's something emotional or
maybe a pathogen or some type ofa toxin like that.
And all of the, there's manydifferent reasons why someone
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might store that information,that emotional memory.
But that could range fromsomeone who's just busy, they're
a workaholic and they're movingall day, every day, and haven't
had time to acknowledge theiremotions.
There's no time.
Or maybe they're just someonewho's not really connected to
their emotions at all.
And those emotions just want tobe acknowledged.
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And if we're not workingthrough our emotions in real
time or at least on a reasonabletime, those emotions will stay
and just hold right there in thebody, in our tissues and maybe
even our lymphatic drainagepathways.
And they're invisible, but theyget lodged in those soft
tissues and organs and glands.
Dr.Caver (08:00):
And that people think, I mean, emotion isn't a
physical thing.
Like, how can that be?
If people write this out asthat's just woo, I mean, there
is actually science backing thisup now, right?
But how do you explain, like,you know, that emotion is
actually a frequency, right?
Like everything in the wholeentire universe is energy,
(08:20):
right?
Our body, our physical body isjust a condensation of energy to
make it be matter.
But really, if you look at usreally under the microscope,
it's all just energetic.
So is there a way maybe toexplain to that audience how an
emotion can maybe get maybeexplain it a little bit, how it
gets stuck or what is it doingto the tissues of the body?
Katie (08:43):
Right.
So, like you said, everyemotion has a frequency to it.
And the frequencies that aremost likely to get stored and
stuck in our body are going tobe negative frequencies,
negative frequency emotion.
If you really just think aboutit in a very practical sense,
when we are feeling depressed orsad or lonely, we might want
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to, we might feel heavy.
We are more likely to scrunchup our body and isolate
ourselves.
Whereas if we're feeling reallyhappy, we're upbeat, we can't
move upward.
So imagine that frequency ofemotion is actually getting
stored and stuck in the body.
And so it's almost like aninvisible rock.
So I use the analogy of a rocka lot because it's we all know
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what an actual rock looks like,but it's like the frequency gets
stored in almost like this likeform where it just gets lodged
and stuck.
It could go anywhere, right?
If we are vulnerable in themoment because we have a cough,
we have a pathogen, that emotionmight get stored right there in
your lungs.
Whereas if you have an oldinjury in your knee, that's a
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weak part of the body.
The emotion might get lodgedright there.
So it can get stuck anywherefrom in your tooth to in your
toe or in your lungs, butnegative frequencies just tend
to get stored a bit more easier.
So I hope that answers thequestion that I can clarify.
Dr.Caver (10:04):
So let's think about somebody, let's say, is coming
to you, Mackenzie, they needhelp losing weight.
I think this is a very bigproblem that we're all
experiencing.
As I just mentioned, a lot ofit is toxin.
So where do we start?
And how do we most of us know,okay, I should drink more, I
should exercise more, but why isit so much more complex than
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just eating fewer calories andexercising more?
We know that that just does notbecause again, there's this
complexity to the emotions,right?
So, how do you, if you'resomebody wanting to detox, maybe
wanting to lose weight, wantingto get in shape, where do they
start?
And how do you take themthrough the process?
Makenzie (10:46):
That's a really great question.
It is such a hot topic becausewho doesn't want to lose weight
and feel good, honestly?
But it's pretty prevalentthroughout our society that
people are holding on to weight,especially women.
Like I'll get a lot of clientswho are who are maybe just
approaching menopause or nowthey are in menopause and
they're like, I don'tunderstand.
This was never me in the past.
(11:08):
I could barely exercise, eatwhat I wanted, and then I would
never put on any weight.
But now all of a sudden, andthe first response is always one
to blame hormones.
And then two, it's always tocome back to I'm dieting and I'm
exercising, but nothing isworking now.
And I like to tell my clientsthat that calories in, calories
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out mindset and approach is atotally outdated methodology to
thinking about weight loss.
Because to your point, Dr.
Carver, it is I like to tell myclients it's not really
complex, but it is nuanced.
So there's just a lot ofdifferent intricacies that fall
into this and the reasons whybehind somebody could be putting
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on weight.
So the first thing I alwaystell my clients is, I apologize
ahead of time because obviouslythis weight didn't happen
overnight.
It took some time to get here.
So it's not going to be a quickfix.
And you might see, like in thevery beginning, with making some
nutritional changes or maybechanging the way that we're
moving our bodies or treatingour bodies, you might see like a
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couple pounds come off.
But for the most part, when thebody starts storing this
adipose tissue, it is a signthat these things have been
going on longer term than weexpected.
And so there's a lot ofinternal imbalances happening
that lead to this point in time.
So I tell them thatunfortunately, the two things
that are the most stubborn todeal with that just take a long
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time to really address andself-correct is the weight piece
and the skin piece.
So it's the first thing that wewant to be addressed because
hello, we live in a very vainsociety and we want to feel good
and look good and like whatwe're seeing in the mirror a lot
of the times, but it's gonnatake a lot more than just some
dieting and exercising and thewhole caloric intake.
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So a couple of things that canreally impact that is yes,
definitely emotion.
Katie and I collaborate a lotin practice.
I always tell her, my clientswouldn't be today where they
are.
They wouldn't be so successfulwithout the body coat and the
emotion code on top of it,because we are, we talk about
this all the time in thefunctional space mind, body,
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spirit.
But are we actually addressingall of these components?
Not really.
We're still trying to likeout-supplement a spiritual need.
We're still trying tooutmodality, right?
Like an emotional need, butit's just not gonna work that
way.
So that adipose tissue can be asign that maybe there's an
estrogen imbalance becauseestrogen is one of the number
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one hormones that does getstored in adipose tissue.
Maybe there's some emotionsthat are stuck there that we're
holding on to that we haven'tquite released yet.
And then to your point, Dr.
Carver, yeah, the body isdesigned so beautifully, it's
going to protect us always.
So these toxins, when there isan overload of them or like a
long-term accumulation, it'sgonna end up in the adipose
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tissue.
So we really like to startsimple in my practice.
So, are you drinking water withlemon and salt and minerals
when you wake up in the morning?
Because you know, your body hasbeen detoxing all night long.
You are essentially in a fastedstate when you go to sleep at
night.
So the first thing we want todo is really help and support
that liver to flushing out anytoxins that it was working on
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clearing out at night.
So that's like step one.
Are we drinking water?
Are we having minerals?
And then from there, we canreally build off of the
foundations.
So this is where we then stepinto detoxification, drainage
pathways.
Are there any pathogens,toxins, or emotions involved?
And everything is in layers.
So we could be working.
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I think of one client, and Ithink Katie probably knows this
client that I'm thinking of aswell.
And just as a quick example, wehad been working together for
probably a year and a half onall the physical layers.
And it did, it just kept comingup.
Physical.
So we supported her with goodnutrition, supplementation.
She did have a history ofunder-eating, over-exercising,
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and she just really wanted tolose weight, but nothing was
working.
Her weight did tick up a littlebit at first, which is like a
natural response to somebodythat's been under-eating for a
really long time.
And then it started to plateau,and she was like, okay, it's
finally plateaued, but it's notmoving.
And then finally, with muscletesting, her body was suggesting
there is an energetic needhere.
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And there are some emotionsthat are being stored in this
adipose tissue that we need toclear in order for us to really
get to this next physical layer.
So I suggested, hey, I have apractitioner, colleague, friend
who does body code, emotioncode.
Your body's suggesting this isan energetic emotional need.
And we need to go address thisbefore we can step forward with
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anything else.
I will tell you, twoappointments later with Katie,
she comes back and she doesn'teven want to say it out loud.
She's McKenzie, I lost overfive pounds.
And I'm like, what?
And she goes, I don't even wantto talk about it.
Like it's literally been yearssince I lost weight.
But it just went to show andfurther confirm that like
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energies play a huge role,especially emotions in this
process as well.
Dr.Caver (16:20):
And Kate, for maybe for those of us who don't aren't
familiar with body code,emotion code, maybe give us a
little summary of like, okay, soMackenzie refers this patient
to you.
How do you start?
What are you looking for?
So obviously she comes with aproblem, right?
Help me.
Mackenzie suggested I come toyou because maybe there's
something that I need to do tolose weight.
So tell us a little bit aboutthe process.
Katie (16:41):
Yeah, so Mackenzie, she sets the stage so nicely when
she refers a client to me.
She tells me, hey, this is whatthe client's coming in for.
Here is the problem that we'reseeing.
Maybe this person's strugglingwith losing weight, or their
nervous system is switched, orthere's a fungus that's stuck,
and her the body is suggestingthere's something energetic.
So I really step in whereMackenzie left off.
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And so I use the muscle testingto ask the body, is there
something energetic contributingto this issue?
Maybe it is losing weight or afungus or whatever it is.
And then we use the body code,which is really a way to explore
all the energetic pieces thatare keeping this person stuck.
So most of the time, that isgoing to be an emotion.
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It the body code could bereally specific on identifying
when these emotions originated,what was the source?
Why was that person feelingpanicked or afraid or feeling
really lonely?
But the body code could alsoidentify other energetic things
like a pathogen can be physicalor energetic.
And what that means isphysically it can be in the
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body.
It's gonna resonate in a lab ormaybe in your muscle test.
But sometimes it's justenergetic.
And that just means that thelife force is still impacting
you, even though physically it'snot showing up.
So that could be a personthat's had a lingering cough for
years, even though they don'thave the virus anymore.
So the body code will pick upall different types of energies,
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and through the power ofwhether it's prayer or
intention, mindfulness, thoseare all ways that our body can
naturally begin to let thesethings go.
Dr.Caver (18:17):
That's where kind of that spiritual part comes in
too, right?
Katie (18:20):
Absolutely.
Dr.Caver (18:21):
The mind, body, but also the spirit.
And we know, I mean, there arecountless stories of people
praying and then miraculousrecoveries.
And is it miraculous?
Or were we just correcting theenergies and we got this body to
vibrate high enough that theenergetic and physical
negativities are removed fromthe body?
(18:41):
There's just there's so muchpower, and there's so much
science now showing all thisstuff that I think is really
neat.
So, one of the things you guysboth talked about Kid, you just
mentioned the nervous system.
When Mackenzie, you mentionedabout layers.
So it's kind of like an onion.
We talk about this infunctional medicine.
That yes, maybe you havecandida, and maybe you have a
parasite, and then maybe youhave heavy metals, you know.
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But we have to heal in theright layers, or sometimes this
is what happened to me all thoseyears.
I just kept detoxing, detoxing,but not necessarily in the
right layers, not really payingattention to my nervous system.
And when I started tounderstand, wow, I think a lot
of my emotions, a lot of mythoughts are affecting my
digestive system, which affectsthe immune system.
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Okay, I am a type A, I am in myhead all the time.
Like, I really need to start atthe top with the nervous
system.
So I've come around to thisfact, too.
And even when we're talkingabout like tooth infections and
cavitation surgeries, it's theperson like, yeah, we can go in
there and we can dride it outphysically, but if you still
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have even the energetic orphysical pieces of ramp into
your body, they're gonna goright back to that space.
Any site where you've just hadsurgery, you know, it's going to
initially have lower energy,right?
Because it's gonna need toheal.
So again, and when I'm thinkingabout these cavitation patients
now, I'm thinking, okay, whatdo we need to do to get the
nervous system right so that thedigestive system, right?
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So that the immune system,because what I'm seeing a lot
now in a lot of patients who areused to be very stable and all
of a sudden they've got amillion cavities, like something
is majorly impacting theirimmune system.
And when I peel back the layer,so much of it often is this
emotional stress piece.
Yes, maybe there's somesupplements, but how do we talk
a little bit more about themuscle testing and how the
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nervous system can get blockedor switched?
Katie (20:32):
Yes.
So the nervous system is I'llspeak to it.
I know Mackenzie will have anadditional point to make with
the nervous system.
So our nervous system really isthe foundation in really how we
interpret the world.
It impacts our emotionalresponses, it impacts our
decision making, right?
Because our body is one bigmemory bank.
So if there is a lot of emotionstored in there, a lot of panic
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and fear or trauma, this isgonna be someone who's on edge,
right?
If to put an analogy to it,it's gonna be like living in a
house that's on unsolid ground.
And so it starts to becomealmost like a faulty, maybe like
a smoke signal in your house,where it's making your body live
as if you're in fear or onedge, or you need to be really
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defensive when maybe that isn'ta very real threat.
So the nervous system can startto be confused or it can start
to be what we call blocked orswitched.
And I'll have Mackenziedescribe that a little bit more
in depth.
But in a nutshell, what I havefound is sometimes our emotional
experiences will almost blockour nervous system.
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We call it a block, and thatcan keep us from moving forward
and healing, right?
This is the person who they'vedone some body code work,
they've done some nutritiontesting, and it's just not
really budging.
That's a nervous system that isblocked.
Or it can bring confusion inyour nervous system.
And this could be the personthat's like, yeah, I felt great
after our session, but then Igot worse again.
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My body just it doesn't reallyknow what to do with the
information it's receiving.
So it's critical to get on thefront end, calm that nervous
system so that body feels safeso it could receive the healing
in a more effective way.
Makenzie (22:10):
Yeah, and just to echo everything that Katie just
said, it's another buzz term,right?
Like we hear the term beingthrown around all the time.
You gotta address the nervoussystem health, you gotta address
the nervous system health.
Okay, what are we actuallytalking about when we're
discussing the nervous systemhealth?
So for us with the muscletesting, what we are
predominantly working with isyour autonomic nervous system.
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And that autonomic nervoussystem is generating all these
auto functions in your body.
So it is the digestion, it isyour breathing, it is your
detoxification pathways.
Now, that autonomic nervoussystem gets broken into two
primary categories, which isyour parasympathetic state and
your sympathetic state.
Before I move forward, Dr.
(22:53):
Carver, is there a way to sharescreen?
Because I actually do have animage for people who are visual.
Dr.Caver (23:00):
Yes.
Makenzie (23:02):
Awesome.
So those of you who are visualout there in the audience, I am
also a visual learner as well.
So this is something that Iintroduce to all of my clients
because we really start with thenervous system health.
So that autonomic nervoussystem, like I was just saying,
is broken into two primarycategories, which is that
parasympathetic state and thesympathetic state.
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So that parasympathetic issupposed to be that relaxation
response.
That's your rest and digest.
That's also where the healinghappens too.
So healing and repair happensin that parasympathetic state.
And then you have yoursympathetic nervous system.
So this is our stress response.
This is fine or flight.
So this is when cortisol,adrenaline, norepinephrine, all
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of these hormones are beingactivated, which keeps us in
that sympathetic state.
We do want to be experiencingthat sympathetic state because
that is what keeps us awake andalert.
However, we don't want thatdominating over that
parasympathetic state.
So where I'm really trying toget to is these things can both
be affected, yes, emotionally,which is where the functional
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medicine space, the holisticspace talks really frequently
about and like over-emphasizesand rightfully.
But there is also physicalstressors on that autonomic
nervous system, which cancontribute to these blocks and
these switches that we'retalking about.
So this is where things likenutrition and supplementation
does come into play because youcan be working on that emotional
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component all day long.
But if you have something thatis physically taxing this
autonomic nervous system, that'sgonna keep that body in a
stressed-out state.
And as much as we would love tobelieve that we can outground
these things, and I do believeradical healing as well.
So sometimes we can pray thesethings away.
But for the most part, we aregonna need some type of like
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physical support.
So if we don't have thatcombination support of both that
energetic emotional componentwith things like body code,
emotion code, grounding,breathing techniques, prayer
meditation combined with thephysical factors that might be
taxing this nervous system,we're never really gonna see
those blocks and those switchesactually self-correct in the
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body.
So it's really important to bemindful of both of those things.
So when I'm muscle testing withclients, I will sometimes just
ask the body, is this uh switchthat's happening in this
autonomic nervous system, isthis physical, is it energetic,
or is it a combination of both?
And if both do present,sometimes we need to be careful
because again, coming back tothose layers, we need to make
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sure that the body is ready toaddress one or the other, or
maybe both at the same time.
So there will be times withmuscle testing where I ask the
client's body, is this somethingthat the body is ready to
address from a physicalstandpoint?
Yes.
Is this something that the bodyis ready to address from an
energetic standpoint?
No.
And we need to honor that too,because the body is always
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trying to protect ourselves.
So coming back to that veryfirst question where we talked
about detoxification anddrainage pathways, everything in
life does have a frequency toit.
So these physical factors aregonna be frequencies traveling
through that same highwaysystem.
And the energies are also gonnatravel through that same
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highway system.
So if we think about thesepathogens, toxins, and energies
as cars on the road, the morevehicles we have, the more
congested that highway is gonnabecome.
Sometimes the body is saying weneed to address the physical
first because we need to clearout that highway before we can
make room for more vehicles,which is where that emotional
component comes into the play.
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So I know that kind of goes alittle bit beyond just the
blocking and the switching, butI hope that answers things for
people and having that visualhere can be really helpful.
Dr.Caver (26:55):
Yeah, it's great.
And I, while you're talking, itmakes me think of you know, you
maybe maybe you have a friendor a relative who eats all the
junk food in the world and neverexercise and yet they're happy
and healthy, like so not fair.
What the heck?
But perhaps it's because theirnervous system is more balanced.
They're they're not worried.
I think this was also part ofmy problem too.
(27:17):
As I started to learn a littlebit more and I was detailed, it
was like, it was all like, oh mygod, if I don't do that, I
started to become that termorthorexic.
Like everything was a problem,and you you overthink every
little morsel you're putting inyour body and every little toxic
element that's in the house inthe air, and you know, you
create more stress.
(27:37):
So even though you're becomingaware, that extra stress on a
nervous system is impeding youfrom making real progress.
Some of the people who areblissfully unaware that all the
toxic in the environment,sometimes they might be
healthier because their nervoussystem isn't stressed out,
right?
They don't have that extra manyextra vehicles right on the
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road clogging up all of theirpathways.
So again, you know, why it's soimportant that we combine all
these things.
I know my health really tookthe turn for the better when I
started addressing more of thisemotional thing.
And as you said, like I firstknew Mackenzie and she referred
me to Katie, and we've beenworking together for a couple of
years now, maybe one, twomonths.
(28:19):
I'm like, I don't like goingtoo long without talking to
Katie because she just makeseverything feel good and calm
and and uh and again I likehaving therapy, but also there's
a there's that that physicalside to it because you know
you're not just talking aboutit, but you're actually moving
that energy away.
And it's it's helped me learn alot about myself too, because
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I'm like, oh, I'm acting thisway because of that pattern that
I had from age three.
So it's crazy all the thingsthat come up from such a long
time ago, but we know in zero tosix, that's where your nervous
system is being impacted themost.
And pretty much by age six,your nervous system has already
determined the filter for therest of your life, whether
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that's good or bad.
And so I think the emotions arereally powerful to go back some
of the behaviors.
Maybe you don't, maybe you wantto you change something about
your thought pattern or yourhabits, but if you don't really
understand where they came fromor they started or how that
energy could be stuck in apathway, it's really hard to
make changes.
So if you're the kind of personwho wants to do something
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differently, maybe we actuallyhave to physically move the
energy in the right, right placeor something.
So we've talked about muscletesting, which is really great.
And I know Mackenzie, everytime I see her, she'll say,
helps the nervous system, whatare the things we need to do?
But also what other maybe detoxmodalities?
Because I work in a very toxicprofession.
I'm around heavy metals andplastics and all sorts of bad
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stuff all the time.
So I need to be constantlytrying to move that stuff
through my body.
So maybe you guys can talkabout what are some other detox
modalities that you see are themost helpful.
For people.
Yeah.
Makenzie (30:03):
I can start first and wants to chime in here too.
And how we can integrate thatinto the muscle testing too.
So I just want to say that isthe beauty of the muscle testing
as well.
So we're communicating directlywith the body with muscle
testing.
So we can explore whatmodalities are going to be best
for this person at this point intime.
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Because again, we do also wantto make sure when the nervous
system is coming up as alreadyin a stressed-out state, we
don't want to further placestress on that nervous system.
We want to support it.
And although all thesedifferent detox modalities,
supplements, nutrition, theseare wonderful things to be
supporting the body.
Sometimes if we're doing alittle too much, that's going to
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stress out our bodies as well.
So that's where we start to getinto things like herximer
reactions, which is a detoxreaction.
And that is also communicationfrom the body that maybe we're
doing too much or we're doingsomething too soon.
So we also have to be carefulof honoring that as well.
And we really want to respectthe body throughout this
process.
Some of the different detoxmodalities that you can
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implement over time are thingslike castor oil packs.
Those are amazing for livergallbladder health.
Some people place them on theirthyroid if they're experiencing
some kind of thyroid toxicity.
We can place that over theovaries as well.
So if people have things likecysts, a lot of the times these
cysts are going to beaccumulation of toxins or
pathogens or other things beingstored in the body.
(31:30):
And the body is really justtrying to protect it by like
encapsulating these things sothey don't go in other
directions in the body.
So castor oil packs are a greatway to detox things like I
know, Dr.
Cover, you have it in youroffice as well, and I did.
The ion cleanse, which is anionic foot bath.
So it's really pulling outtoxins throughout the body into
(31:53):
the water.
Other modalities can be thingslike acupuncture.
I tell people there is nothingthat moves the energy in the
body quite the way thatacupuncture does.
So those are some really greatadditional detox modalities.
But again, we don't want tojust go dive headfirst into all
these modalities.
We also want to keep it simpleand ask ourselves the question
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Am I actually supporting my bodyfrom a foundational
perspective, like on a verybasic level, before I start
diving into these things?
Because what I do see is a lotof people want to go head first
into these modalities, butthey're in a credibly depleted
state.
So they're missing a lot oftheir micronutrients.
So micronutrients, for those ofyou who don't know, are gonna
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be like your vitamins and yourminerals and your food.
So most of us are walkingaround in a completely depleted
state without realizing it.
And if we just added in thatvery basic mineral support,
that's gonna help thosedetoxification processes and
those drainage pathways way morethan any other detox modality.
So I always start with myclients with making sure that
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we're getting those foundationsin first.
And then as the body suggeststhat it's ready to start
implementing some of these otherdetox modalities, that's when
we'll add in things likesupplementation.
We'll do the foot bath.
Maybe we're implementing castoroil packs or infrared sauna is
a great way to detox heavymetals.
So that's really what I do frommy standpoint.
(33:19):
And then with Katie, wecollaborate a lot and we've come
to learn that just like thetoxins and the pathogens, like
we've been talking about fromthe emotional standpoint,
they're all traveling on thatsame highway system.
So sometimes during what wecall your processing time for
body code, which Katie can speakmore on this, you might need
something to help facilitatethat out.
(33:39):
So she will ask, is there maybea detox modality that this
person can benefit from afterthis session?
So I'll let you take the reinson that, Katie.
Katie (33:48):
Yes, that's a really good point.
There, our body, when it'sprocessing out emotions, it's
not much different thanprocessing out an actual toxin
or a pathogen.
And there will be times thatthe body is suggesting it needs
support.
So at the end of each session,I'll ask how about roughly how
many days does this person needto process this information?
(34:08):
And really what I'm asking isroughly how long is it going to
take for this person to adjustfor from all the work that we've
done?
But it's like when you've goneto a massage and you feel really
great afterwards.
And then the next day you'relike, gosh, I feel a little
crummy.
Maybe it's all those toxinsgetting pushed out of my body.
And then maybe the followingday you start to feel better.
(34:30):
Or if you do a sauna or a hottub and then you just feel achy
afterwards, that might be a signyou need to replenish yourself
with some water and someminerals.
The same thing is oftenneeding, is needed with the
emotion and body code.
And so there will be times thatthe body suggests, hey, some
type of homeopathic remedy isgoing to be needed here, whether
that's a drainage tone.
(34:50):
And that's really commonly,that's been given to me when I'm
working on draining some typeof a pathogen, but that's also
something that could be done forenergetic reasons as well for
my emotions.
Kidney tone is one that oftenwill show up for people, or just
those natural, like calm five,field of flowers, homeopathics
are really commonly needed.
(35:12):
And if the body isn't saying,hey, I don't need any physical
support, almost always it'sgoing to be beneficial for
someone to do more just gentle,everyday things to help your
lymphatic drainage.
That's walking, that'sstretching, that's drinking
water with minerals.
Sometimes people like to dosomething a little bit more.
So they might use that jaderoller to help their lymphatic
(35:34):
drainage, or they might do thosevibration plates or different
things like that.
And those are all gonna behelpful, gentle ways to process
the emotional information.
Dr.Caver (35:43):
So I think what you guys both brought up was really
important that often we overdoit.
That the mentality is not onlythe colors in colors out, but
the harder I exercise, the moreI do that.
And I was totally caught inthis.
The more I do, the faster I'mgonna heal and the better I'm
gonna do.
When in fact, it can actuallydeplete you further.
As Mackenzie just said, likemost of us are so so depleted.
(36:06):
I remember years and years ago,I was working with this
practitioner and it was allabout this detox and detox and
all these coffee enemas, and itwas like a 10-day process,
right?
Okay, again.
When you hear anything like10-day detox, 21-day detox,
okay, it's just nonsense becausewe've been accumulating toxins
for most of us for decades,right?
So to think that you can clearit all out in 10 or 21 days is
(36:28):
just it's not gonna happen.
Sounds good.
And maybe you lose some waterweight, but and maybe you have a
little bit of energy, butthat's it's very temporary.
So anyway, I did this 10 days,and I did two coffee emas after.
I was like, my eczema is worsethan ever.
And he's like, well, just doanother coffee enema.
And I I just think, and thenvery shortly after is where I
found the cell phone, got onthose two parasite products that
(36:51):
for me, a lot of the uhAyurvedic herbs in that pair
too, I think really soothed myintestines, and that allowed
because when my eczema isflaring, that means the toxins
are coming out of my skin.
And even though I was doingthese coffee enemas, my
intestines were still notamenable to really proper
flushing.
I was like forcing it outversus letting my body do the
(37:13):
thing.
So when I had all that meme andall that good moisturizing,
healthy stuff, that's when myeczema really started to go away
after months.
So, you know, more is notalways better.
And again, this is why muscletesting, we talk about it all
the time on the podcast.
And so many more people arefamiliar with this, and so many
practitioners are understand howto do this because again,
especially when we have allthese complex issues and maybe
(37:35):
been dealing with something fora long time, we need to heal in
the right layers and we need todo it at the right times and not
over there.
Sometimes maybe that we need tonot do anything, right?
And we just need to be like,okay, we pushed whatever
supplement really hard.
No, we just need to rest.
And it shouldn't, we have tothink of it like a marathon,
right?
It is not, it is going to taketime.
(37:57):
And when you can get yournervous system to be like, I'm
okay, I have the support, I willget there, because that mindset
is also so important.
And like Kenzie, you said rightat the beginning, listen, if
you're looking for the quickfix, I'm not the person for you.
If that's not how it's gonnawork.
And so having that rightmindset is going to help balance
that nervous system and then beable to go through these steps
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one by one, which is soimportant.
One of the questions we talkedabout ahead of time that I sent
you guys is like, why do somepeople accumulate more toxins
than others?
And I I think I've answered ita little bit, like those of us
who are more stressed out,right?
We have more of those vehicleson the road.
And it could be somewhatgenetics too.
(38:42):
A lot of there's always talkabout this MTHFR and the ability
to not detoxify really well.
I don't know if you've adds hadany other thoughts too about
that question.
Katie (38:54):
Yeah, I think from the emotional perspective, I have
some people that come in andthey ask themselves, gosh, why
am I always showing up withnervous system disruption or why
am I always absorbing otherpeople's emotions?
And you know, if you reallythink, like you said, Dr.
Carver, our nervous system isreally established in those
(39:14):
early years of life.
And if someone grew upexperiencing a lot of emotional
experiences or trauma, or maybethere's generational trauma,
they're living in a nervoussystem that doesn't feel safe.
And if you really think of whenyou're feeling safe in your
body, you're grounded, you'recomfortable, you're not having
to look around in every momentand thinking, am I safe?
(39:35):
What do people think?
Do I trust that person's facialexpressions?
What are their intentions?
You're just present in themoment.
But if someone's nervous systemis hyper-vigilant and they need
to know, am I safe?
Can I trust these people?
They are automatically morevulnerable to take on the stress
of the world.
They're more likely toreinforce their own nervous
(39:56):
system dysregulation, and that'sgoing to help build that toxin
load.
So getting safe in your bodyand being grounded is one of the
first, one of the preventativeways that we can help reduce
that risk of that toxin exposureemotionally or even physically.
Dr.Caver (40:12):
I think that's that makes me think that um as a mom,
right?
Mostly our children's nervoussystem for the most part is
highly adapted to the mother'snervous system, right?
And I look at my own kids andthey're definitely more anxious
than more, and because I was sostressed out when they were
little, and then I got to theframework, oh my gosh, I can't
(40:32):
feed them this, and I can't feedthem in this toxin is gonna
kill them.
And coming from a good place,wanting to protect my kids, but
my whole response coming fromfear instead of love, right?
Fear is the lowest vibration,the lowest frequency we can
have.
We see what happened with thewhole COVID.
There was so much fear that wasbeing pushed out into society,
(40:55):
which was not a good thing.
So I think as moms, especiallyif you're a new mom with young
kids, thinking about where I hadone practitioner one time I was
having my daughter see how todo neurofeedback.
And she said, I won't treatyour daughter unless you treat
yourself first.
And I was like, interesting.
I was like, huh, okay.
And I wasn't offended because Iwas like, I was really open to
learning and but I was justlike, that's so interesting.
(41:17):
And I think that's really true.
Sometimes I see in my practicea lot of uh these uh families
that are so holistic and they'redoing everything right.
Why are the kids getting allthese counties?
It doesn't make sense.
They're doing everything right,but then also it's like are we
so anxious about it?
And so I think that that'sreally really important kind of
setting that tone in those earlyyears, making the kids uh feel
(41:41):
like they're safe andeverything, because like you
said, by that age, it's likehard.
And now it doesn't mean, oh,now you know, but it's too late,
but because that's why we havepeople like wonderful Katie who
will help us try to navigatethat and unleash some of that
early trauma that created thosepatterns.
And so if we become clear andthen we start working on them,
(42:03):
we can make good progress.
Yeah, uh so we talked a littlebit, you just mentioned Katie
about prevention.
But as I just said, one of theways prevention is trying to
make all of ourselves and ourchildren especially feel safe in
their environment.
Any other ways you think thatwe can both emotionally and
(42:24):
physically uh protect our bodiesfrom all of these toxins?
You guys have been listening tothe podcast, you hear me say it
a million times 80,000 pluschemicals in our environment.
We can't be stressed out withthem.
It is what it is.
So, what do you each of youmaybe as we wrap it up here?
What are some really good,maybe preventative strategies,
(42:44):
Dillo?
Again, everything isindividualized, but overall,
what might be some goodstrategies for prevention of
toxin accumulation?
Makenzie (42:52):
Yeah.
Okay, do you want to go firstor you want me to go first?
Okay, okay.
You got it, girl.
This is one that is very closeto my heart because right,
they've either already workedwith a practitioner or now we're
getting like informationoverload on socials all the
time.
So it's just a constant influxof be scared of this, be scared
of that, avoid this, avoid that.
(43:13):
And I work with my clients andsay we absolutely want to be
consciously aware of where thesethings are coming from in our
environment, and we want toreduce our overall exposure to
these things because we don'twant that constant accumulation.
We also don't want to put ourbodies in that stressed-out
state because of that nervoussystem.
So we don't want to bechronically fearing them either.
(43:36):
So we are never going to livein a completely toxic free world
anymore.
We're always gonna beencountering them.
So, what we want to do is one,be consciously aware, okay,
where are these coming from?
How can I maybe reduce some ofthis in my environment,
especially my home or myworkplace, because that's where
I spend most of my time.
And then two, we wanna besupporting the body's
(43:57):
resiliency.
So we wanna support it for whenit does encounter these toxins,
so that if it encounters it,it's not creating this systemic
problem all the time.
So your body is saying, look,there's that toxin, great, we
know what to do with that.
Let's flush it out becausewe've really worked on that
highway system.
There's not a lot of vehicleson the road.
(44:18):
We could just move this along,no problem.
And then the third thing I tellmy clients, especially when it
comes to food, right?
Because we do know thatnutrition is a foundational
component.
It is super important becauseof those vitamins and minerals
that are in that food.
If we are out and we areenjoying food and dining out,
and most of the time we'remaking our meals at home, we're
(44:39):
focusing on eliminating seedoils, we're buying predominantly
organic produce, we're beingcareful with the quality of our
meats at home.
But the times we go out andwe're trying to enjoy ourselves,
don't stress over that food.
That is the worst possiblething that you do because the
moment you start stressing aboutthat food, you are already
(45:00):
stimulating that sympatheticnervous system domination.
And then you are absolutely notgoing to digest anything on
your plate.
So this is where the power ofprayer comes into place for me
personally and for a lot of myclients.
So make sure you're prayingover that food.
Ask your body to absorb as manyof the nutrients that are
(45:20):
actually existing in that foodbecause we want to get that
nourishment physically.
But I tell my clients, youknow, what's not necessarily
nourishing the physical body ismaybe nourishing the joy in your
life.
And that's really an importantfactor too, because you'll hear
people come back to this is atopic for another day, but like
the blue zones, right?
Everyone's always crazy aboutthe blue zones.
(45:40):
Everybody lives to a hundred.
This is what they do.
But there is that like socialcommunal factor.
So maybe they are having aglass of wine, maybe they are
having something that theywouldn't normally on a daily
basis that maybe has some toxinsin it.
But because they're in a placein a state where they're
thoroughly enjoying theircompany, they're gonna process
(46:02):
that food way better and theirbodies are gonna be able to
handle that.
And then lastly, on the pointof prayer, that's also setting
your nervous system up forsuccess for being in that
parasympathetic state.
So there's prayer from anenergetic standpoint, but then
there's also a physicalstandpoint because you actually
have to slow down when you'repraying over your food.
You have to take a minute tobreathe.
And so that really sets thetone in that nervous system.
(46:25):
So that's how I approach itwith my clients.
So I'll have you speak more tothat, Katie, from an energetic
perspective.
Katie (46:33):
Yes, I just to reinforce honestly what Mackenzie said
about not being so afraid inadvance about all these toxins.
The same thing goes with youremotions.
It's not realistic to expectyourself to never be stressed
and to never have a negativeemotion.
Because if I have a negativeemotion, it's gonna get stuck
and then I'm gonna cause my kidstrauma.
We have to remember that everysingle and every single emotion
(46:56):
has a function and it's designedto communicate to our body.
Just like an ache or pain isyour body's way of saying, hey,
there's something I need toaddress.
The emotion of sadness istrying to communicate something
that's important to you that youmight need to grieve.
Or loneliness is your body'sway of saying that you need to
connect with other people inyour life.
So slowing down and allowingyourself to go, what am I
(47:18):
feeling?
And what is the message tryingto be conveyed through that
emotion?
And can I respond to thatemotion?
We are designed to be whatemotional beings and responding
to those emotions.
So it's pretty remarkable howmuch the body will not store and
get stuck if we're listening toour emotions, acknowledging
(47:39):
them, feeling them, andresponding.
But to the other points of whatMackenzie said, truly living a
little bit of a slower-pacedlife, where we're just going
from one thing to the next andwe're living in that sympathetic
dominant state, slowing down,maybe considering having a
Sabbath day, moving into moregratitude and prayer is going to
(48:01):
physically and energeticallyhelp us get into that
parasympathetic state.
Those are great preventativemeasures.
Dr.Caver (48:08):
I'm not even gonna say any more because I think that
was a fantastic wrap-up ofeverything that we said, and
that is honoring your body,honoring every emotion.
I think that was an importantpoint.
I'm really glad that youmentioned that.
But everything is a chance forus to take stock of our life and
everything around it.
So, guys, thanks so much forjoining me.
(48:30):
If you guys want to mentionreal quickly how if others want
to reach out, how they couldfind you, and we'll also put it
in the show notes.
That would be great.
Katie (48:38):
Yes.
Thanks for having us, Dr.
Carver.
And our website here ishoneyholistichealth.com.
And we also have an Instagram,Honey Holistic Health.
Makenzie (48:47):
And for me, the website is Harvest Wellness and
Nutrition, amd nutrition.com.
And then you can also find us.
I will be honest, I really tryto practice what I preach, so
you're not gonna find a lot onsocials here.
So if you want to connect,email is definitely best.
Contacting us through thewebsite.
But we do have a socialaccount, which is gonna be at
(49:08):
harvest wellness and nutrition.
Dr.Caver (49:10):
Thanks again, guys, for spending your morning with
me.
Two of my favorite ladies, thisgood information to you because
they keep me sane and healthyand happy.
Thanks so much, guys.
And I hope everybody enjoyedthis episode.
Next one coming up, we're gonnatalk about detoxing our home
and our beauty care products.
So stay tuned.
Have a great day, everybody.
Thank you.
Hello, everybody.
Welcome back to another episodeof The Root of the Matter.
I am your host, Dr.
Rachel Cover.
And today we have our firstever meeting with three of us.
I'm very excited.
And our first ever repeatguest.
You guys have been listening tothe podcast for a while.
You may recognize MackenzieEvangelista and Katie Kitzing,
(00:20):
two of my favorite people andtwo people who make up my uh
health team.
So welcome guys.
I'm so excited to have youtoday.
We're in the middle of ourdetox series.
So we are going to be talkingabout Mackenzie is a functional
nutritionist.
Katie has a couple of degreesand but I use her for my emotion
(00:40):
code work.
So we are going to talk aboutkind of drainage and detox and
why we need to address theemotions as part of our detox
protocol.
So Mackenzie, I'm going tothrow it over to you first to
tell us a little bit about whatdoes detoxification mean to you
and how does that differ out ofdrainage.
Makenzie (01:00):
Yeah, that's a really great question.
And honestly, sometimes when Ihear at first, I'm like, hold
on, I need to pause and thinkabout this for a minute, too,
because bolts seeminterchangeable in the
functional, holistic,alternative space.
And you'll hear us throw thoseterms around all the time.
Like they're buzzwords now.
You hear them everywhere.
Make sure you're supportingyour detoxification.
(01:22):
Make sure you're supportingyour drainage pathways.
While they certainly coincidewith one another, there are some
differences as well.
So, in simple terms, we canthink of detoxification as the
biochemical processes that occurwithin the body for it to
neutralize and expedite toxinsor different like pathogens from
(01:43):
the body.
While the drainage pathways islike the plumbing throughout
that detoxification.
So the detoxification, insimple terms, is more that
biochemical pathway.
And that's typically happeningin your liver and in your
kidneys.
And so for that, you're goingto have within the liver phase
one and phase twodetoxification.
(02:05):
So during phase one, that'sreally where your body is taking
these toxic substances and it'sactually turning it into more
toxic substances, which ispretty interesting.
Then in phase two, this iswhere amino acids really come
into play.
And with the amino acids, itconjugates to these more toxic
(02:27):
substances that the body hascreated as a byproduct of
detoxification.
And then it's helping topackage it up and essentially
send it out the shoe, which iseither going to go through your
urinary system or through thebile in your bowel movement.
And that's really dependentupon if something is more of a
water-soluble-based toxin or ifsomething is more of a
(02:47):
fat-soluble toxin.
Then you have phase threedetoxification as well, which is
that full elimination excretionprocess.
Now, the drained pathways welive in are going to be things
like your lymphatic system andsupporting the liver and the
kidneys as a whole, making surethat people are like pooping on
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a daily basis, right?
That's a big one.
So if we're not poopingproperly, then we're not going
to be eliminating those toxins.
I would say those are like theprimary declencies of the two.
So just to kind of recap yourdetoxification pathway is going
to be more of that biochemicalprocess.
And then the drainage pathwaysis going to be the plumbing
throughout that kind of movesand actually excretes those
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toxins after they've beenneutralized and processed.
Dr.Caver (03:35):
So that's really simple.
Makenzie (03:39):
We simplified it as much as we can.
We broke it down.
Dr.Caver (03:41):
Yes.
So detox is happening in thosein our organs, and drainage is
more of a whole process to makesure that once the liver and
kidneys are doing the thing, itactually gets out of the body.
Because unfortunately, some ofus maybe are cloggy, right?
We have so much stuff in ourthe sewer, right?
We think of the lymph system asthe sewer.
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And if we are sedentary, whichmost of us are sedentary beings,
they always say, well, ourelimination, our lymph doesn't
have a pump like the heart tomove our blood, right?
So unless we are moving, thatwe're not moving the lymph.
So it can become very stagnantand then it makes it more
challenging.
Many of us suffer fromconstipation.
That's another form ofsluggishness and lack of
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elimination.
So if you are not having one totwo to three bowel movements a
day, that's a problem, right?
If you look at our animals,they eat and poop immediately,
right?
That is how the body isdesigned.
There's actually a reflux,reflex in our stomach.
Once food hits there, there's areflex that goes to our large
intestine, be like, okay, let'smake room, move it on out,
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right?
So many of us have toxins, wehave all sorts of things at the
most and so if we are noteliminating what's happening,
one, we could be building up allthose toxins in the large
intestine, or a lot of those,there's also a connection from
the large intestine right backto the liver.
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So we can often recirculate,and those toxins will then come
back to the liver, or then ifthe liver's over, well, I gotta
stuff it somewhere.
And where do toxins like to bestored in our fat.
So when we think about, youknow, if we're gaining weight,
what is that really a sign of?
Could that be a sign that we'reredistributing toxins?
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And so we're gonna make morefat because toxins are very
dangerous, right?
We don't want them in ourbrain, we don't want them in our
liver, we don't want them inour heart, right?
So the body is ingenious.
Okay, let's store, let's keepthem in the fat.
So anytime you feel like you'regaining weight, this is what we
want to see.
How can I detox?
How can I open those drainagepathways better?
And again, constipation issomething a lot of us suffer
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from and it's very challenging.
In that vein of one of thereasons, maybe Katie, you can
pipe in here and talk to us alittle bit about that whole idea
of constipation and holding onto something.
Like, what do you see in termsof some of my rear clients?
Do you do you notice a patternin people who tend to be more
constipated that there's someemotional component there?
Katie (06:15):
Absolutely.
There's our emotions arereally, in a way, almost an
invisible version of some of thephysical things that clog up
our system.
So there might be a toxin or apathogen that's stuck and stored
in the body, and our emotionsare similar to that.
So if we use the analogy ofmaybe, let's say you're looking
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at a stream of water, though youwould see the stream of water
go from one side to the other.
And an emotion might representa really big rock.
So what happens is that waterstarts to flow around the rock.
And if you have tons of rocksin that river, you start to see
that overall that flow starts toslow down.
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It's not flowing as fast as itshould.
And maybe even in some cases itpools up in a little area
because things have gottenstuck.
And so it's going to interferewith the body's ability to
process information, whetherit's something emotional or
maybe a pathogen or some type ofa toxin like that.
And all of the, there's manydifferent reasons why someone
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might store that information,that emotional memory.
But that could range fromsomeone who's just busy, they're
a workaholic and they're movingall day, every day, and haven't
had time to acknowledge theiremotions.
There's no time.
Or maybe they're just someonewho's not really connected to
their emotions at all.
And those emotions just want tobe acknowledged.
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And if we're not workingthrough our emotions in real
time or at least on a reasonabletime, those emotions will stay
and just hold right there in thebody, in our tissues and maybe
even our lymphatic drainagepathways.
And they're invisible, but theyget lodged in those soft
tissues and organs and glands.
Dr.Caver (08:00):
And that people think, I mean, emotion isn't a
physical thing.
Like, how can that be?
If people write this out asthat's just woo, I mean, there
is actually science backing thisup now, right?
But how do you explain, like,you know, that emotion is
actually a frequency, right?
Like everything in the wholeentire universe is energy,
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right?
Our body, our physical body isjust a condensation of energy to
make it be matter.
But really, if you look at usreally under the microscope,
it's all just energetic.
So is there a way maybe toexplain to that audience how an
emotion can maybe get maybeexplain it a little bit, how it
gets stuck or what is it doingto the tissues of the body?
Katie (08:43):
Right.
So, like you said, everyemotion has a frequency to it.
And the frequencies that aremost likely to get stored and
stuck in our body are going tobe negative frequencies,
negative frequency emotion.
If you really just think aboutit in a very practical sense,
when we are feeling depressed orsad or lonely, we might want
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to, we might feel heavy.
We are more likely to scrunchup our body and isolate
ourselves.
Whereas if we're feeling reallyhappy, we're upbeat, we can't
move upward.
So imagine that frequency ofemotion is actually getting
stored and stuck in the body.
And so it's almost like aninvisible rock.
So I use the analogy of a rocka lot because it's we all know
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what an actual rock looks like,but it's like the frequency gets
stored in almost like this likeform where it just gets lodged
and stuck.
It could go anywhere, right?
If we are vulnerable in themoment because we have a cough,
we have a pathogen, that emotionmight get stored right there in
your lungs.
Whereas if you have an oldinjury in your knee, that's a
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weak part of the body.
The emotion might get lodgedright there.
So it can get stuck anywherefrom in your tooth to in your
toe or in your lungs, butnegative frequencies just tend
to get stored a bit more easier.
So I hope that answers thequestion that I can clarify.
Dr.Caver (10:04):
So let's think about somebody, let's say, is coming
to you, Mackenzie, they needhelp losing weight.
I think this is a very bigproblem that we're all
experiencing.
As I just mentioned, a lot ofit is toxin.
So where do we start?
And how do we most of us know,okay, I should drink more, I
should exercise more, but why isit so much more complex than
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just eating fewer calories andexercising more?
We know that that just does notbecause again, there's this
complexity to the emotions,right?
So, how do you, if you'resomebody wanting to detox, maybe
wanting to lose weight, wantingto get in shape, where do they
start?
And how do you take themthrough the process?
Makenzie (10:46):
That's a really great question.
It is such a hot topic becausewho doesn't want to lose weight
and feel good, honestly?
But it's pretty prevalentthroughout our society that
people are holding on to weight,especially women.
Like I'll get a lot of clientswho are who are maybe just
approaching menopause or nowthey are in menopause and
they're like, I don'tunderstand.
This was never me in the past.
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I could barely exercise, eatwhat I wanted, and then I would
never put on any weight.
But now all of a sudden, andthe first response is always one
to blame hormones.
And then two, it's always tocome back to I'm dieting and I'm
exercising, but nothing isworking now.
And I like to tell my clientsthat that calories in, calories
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out mindset and approach is atotally outdated methodology to
thinking about weight loss.
Because to your point, Dr.
Carver, it is I like to tell myclients it's not really
complex, but it is nuanced.
So there's just a lot ofdifferent intricacies that fall
into this and the reasons whybehind somebody could be putting
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on weight.
So the first thing I alwaystell my clients is, I apologize
ahead of time because obviouslythis weight didn't happen
overnight.
It took some time to get here.
So it's not going to be a quickfix.
And you might see, like in thevery beginning, with making some
nutritional changes or maybechanging the way that we're
moving our bodies or treatingour bodies, you might see like a
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couple pounds come off.
But for the most part, when thebody starts storing this
adipose tissue, it is a signthat these things have been
going on longer term than weexpected.
And so there's a lot ofinternal imbalances happening
that lead to this point in time.
So I tell them thatunfortunately, the two things
that are the most stubborn todeal with that just take a long
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time to really address andself-correct is the weight piece
and the skin piece.
So it's the first thing that wewant to be addressed because
hello, we live in a very vainsociety and we want to feel good
and look good and like whatwe're seeing in the mirror a lot
of the times, but it's gonnatake a lot more than just some
dieting and exercising and thewhole caloric intake.
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So a couple of things that canreally impact that is yes,
definitely emotion.
Katie and I collaborate a lotin practice.
I always tell her, my clientswouldn't be today where they
are.
They wouldn't be so successfulwithout the body coat and the
emotion code on top of it,because we are, we talk about
this all the time in thefunctional space mind, body,
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spirit.
But are we actually addressingall of these components?
Not really.
We're still trying to likeout-supplement a spiritual need.
We're still trying tooutmodality, right?
Like an emotional need, butit's just not gonna work that
way.
So that adipose tissue can be asign that maybe there's an
estrogen imbalance becauseestrogen is one of the number
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one hormones that does getstored in adipose tissue.
Maybe there's some emotionsthat are stuck there that we're
holding on to that we haven'tquite released yet.
And then to your point, Dr.
Carver, yeah, the body isdesigned so beautifully, it's
going to protect us always.
So these toxins, when there isan overload of them or like a
long-term accumulation, it'sgonna end up in the adipose
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tissue.
So we really like to startsimple in my practice.
So, are you drinking water withlemon and salt and minerals
when you wake up in the morning?
Because you know, your body hasbeen detoxing all night long.
You are essentially in a fastedstate when you go to sleep at
night.
So the first thing we want todo is really help and support
that liver to flushing out anytoxins that it was working on
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clearing out at night.
So that's like step one.
Are we drinking water?
Are we having minerals?
And then from there, we canreally build off of the
foundations.
So this is where we then stepinto detoxification, drainage
pathways.
Are there any pathogens,toxins, or emotions involved?
And everything is in layers.
So we could be working.
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I think of one client, and Ithink Katie probably knows this
client that I'm thinking of aswell.
And just as a quick example, wehad been working together for
probably a year and a half onall the physical layers.
And it did, it just kept comingup.
Physical.
So we supported her with goodnutrition, supplementation.
She did have a history ofunder-eating, over-exercising,
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and she just really wanted tolose weight, but nothing was
working.
Her weight did tick up a littlebit at first, which is like a
natural response to somebodythat's been under-eating for a
really long time.
And then it started to plateau,and she was like, okay, it's
finally plateaued, but it's notmoving.
And then finally, with muscletesting, her body was suggesting
there is an energetic needhere.
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And there are some emotionsthat are being stored in this
adipose tissue that we need toclear in order for us to really
get to this next physical layer.
So I suggested, hey, I have apractitioner, colleague, friend
who does body code, emotioncode.
Your body's suggesting this isan energetic emotional need.
And we need to go address thisbefore we can step forward with
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anything else.
I will tell you, twoappointments later with Katie,
she comes back and she doesn'teven want to say it out loud.
She's McKenzie, I lost overfive pounds.
And I'm like, what?
And she goes, I don't even wantto talk about it.
Like it's literally been yearssince I lost weight.
But it just went to show andfurther confirm that like
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energies play a huge role,especially emotions in this
process as well.
Dr.Caver (16:20):
And Kate, for maybe for those of us who don't aren't
familiar with body code,emotion code, maybe give us a
little summary of like, okay, soMackenzie refers this patient
to you.
How do you start?
What are you looking for?
So obviously she comes with aproblem, right?
Help me.
Mackenzie suggested I come toyou because maybe there's
something that I need to do tolose weight.
So tell us a little bit aboutthe process.
Katie (16:41):
Yeah, so Mackenzie, she sets the stage so nicely when
she refers a client to me.
She tells me, hey, this is whatthe client's coming in for.
Here is the problem that we'reseeing.
Maybe this person's strugglingwith losing weight, or their
nervous system is switched, orthere's a fungus that's stuck,
and her the body is suggestingthere's something energetic.
So I really step in whereMackenzie left off.
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And so I use the muscle testingto ask the body, is there
something energetic contributingto this issue?
Maybe it is losing weight or afungus or whatever it is.
And then we use the body code,which is really a way to explore
all the energetic pieces thatare keeping this person stuck.
So most of the time, that isgoing to be an emotion.
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It the body code could bereally specific on identifying
when these emotions originated,what was the source?
Why was that person feelingpanicked or afraid or feeling
really lonely?
But the body code could alsoidentify other energetic things
like a pathogen can be physicalor energetic.
And what that means isphysically it can be in the
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body.
It's gonna resonate in a lab ormaybe in your muscle test.
But sometimes it's justenergetic.
And that just means that thelife force is still impacting
you, even though physically it'snot showing up.
So that could be a personthat's had a lingering cough for
years, even though they don'thave the virus anymore.
So the body code will pick upall different types of energies,
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and through the power ofwhether it's prayer or
intention, mindfulness, thoseare all ways that our body can
naturally begin to let thesethings go.
Dr.Caver (18:17):
That's where kind of that spiritual part comes in
too, right?
Katie (18:20):
Absolutely.
Dr.Caver (18:21):
The mind, body, but also the spirit.
And we know, I mean, there arecountless stories of people
praying and then miraculousrecoveries.
And is it miraculous?
Or were we just correcting theenergies and we got this body to
vibrate high enough that theenergetic and physical
negativities are removed fromthe body?
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There's just there's so muchpower, and there's so much
science now showing all thisstuff that I think is really
neat.
So, one of the things you guysboth talked about Kid, you just
mentioned the nervous system.
When Mackenzie, you mentionedabout layers.
So it's kind of like an onion.
We talk about this infunctional medicine.
That yes, maybe you havecandida, and maybe you have a
parasite, and then maybe youhave heavy metals, you know.
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But we have to heal in theright layers, or sometimes this
is what happened to me all thoseyears.
I just kept detoxing, detoxing,but not necessarily in the
right layers, not really payingattention to my nervous system.
And when I started tounderstand, wow, I think a lot
of my emotions, a lot of mythoughts are affecting my
digestive system, which affectsthe immune system.
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Okay, I am a type A, I am in myhead all the time.
Like, I really need to start atthe top with the nervous
system.
So I've come around to thisfact, too.
And even when we're talkingabout like tooth infections and
cavitation surgeries, it's theperson like, yeah, we can go in
there and we can dride it outphysically, but if you still
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have even the energetic orphysical pieces of ramp into
your body, they're gonna goright back to that space.
Any site where you've just hadsurgery, you know, it's going to
initially have lower energy,right?
Because it's gonna need toheal.
So again, and when I'm thinkingabout these cavitation patients
now, I'm thinking, okay, whatdo we need to do to get the
nervous system right so that thedigestive system, right?
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So that the immune system,because what I'm seeing a lot
now in a lot of patients who areused to be very stable and all
of a sudden they've got amillion cavities, like something
is majorly impacting theirimmune system.
And when I peel back the layer,so much of it often is this
emotional stress piece.
Yes, maybe there's somesupplements, but how do we talk
a little bit more about themuscle testing and how the
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nervous system can get blockedor switched?
Katie (20:32):
Yes.
So the nervous system is I'llspeak to it.
I know Mackenzie will have anadditional point to make with
the nervous system.
So our nervous system really isthe foundation in really how we
interpret the world.
It impacts our emotionalresponses, it impacts our
decision making, right?
Because our body is one bigmemory bank.
So if there is a lot of emotionstored in there, a lot of panic
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and fear or trauma, this isgonna be someone who's on edge,
right?
If to put an analogy to it,it's gonna be like living in a
house that's on unsolid ground.
And so it starts to becomealmost like a faulty, maybe like
a smoke signal in your house,where it's making your body live
as if you're in fear or onedge, or you need to be really
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defensive when maybe that isn'ta very real threat.
So the nervous system can startto be confused or it can start
to be what we call blocked orswitched.
And I'll have Mackenziedescribe that a little bit more
in depth.
But in a nutshell, what I havefound is sometimes our emotional
experiences will almost blockour nervous system.
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We call it a block, and thatcan keep us from moving forward
and healing, right?
This is the person who they'vedone some body code work,
they've done some nutritiontesting, and it's just not
really budging.
That's a nervous system that isblocked.
Or it can bring confusion inyour nervous system.
And this could be the personthat's like, yeah, I felt great
after our session, but then Igot worse again.
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My body just it doesn't reallyknow what to do with the
information it's receiving.
So it's critical to get on thefront end, calm that nervous
system so that body feels safeso it could receive the healing
in a more effective way.
Makenzie (22:10):
Yeah, and just to echo everything that Katie just
said, it's another buzz term,right?
Like we hear the term beingthrown around all the time.
You gotta address the nervoussystem health, you gotta address
the nervous system health.
Okay, what are we actuallytalking about when we're
discussing the nervous systemhealth?
So for us with the muscletesting, what we are
predominantly working with isyour autonomic nervous system.
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And that autonomic nervoussystem is generating all these
auto functions in your body.
So it is the digestion, it isyour breathing, it is your
detoxification pathways.
Now, that autonomic nervoussystem gets broken into two
primary categories, which isyour parasympathetic state and
your sympathetic state.
Before I move forward, Dr.
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Carver, is there a way to sharescreen?
Because I actually do have animage for people who are visual.
Dr.Caver (23:00):
Yes.
Makenzie (23:02):
Awesome.
So those of you who are visualout there in the audience, I am
also a visual learner as well.
So this is something that Iintroduce to all of my clients
because we really start with thenervous system health.
So that autonomic nervoussystem, like I was just saying,
is broken into two primarycategories, which is that
parasympathetic state and thesympathetic state.
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So that parasympathetic issupposed to be that relaxation
response.
That's your rest and digest.
That's also where the healinghappens too.
So healing and repair happensin that parasympathetic state.
And then you have yoursympathetic nervous system.
So this is our stress response.
This is fine or flight.
So this is when cortisol,adrenaline, norepinephrine, all
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of these hormones are beingactivated, which keeps us in
that sympathetic state.
We do want to be experiencingthat sympathetic state because
that is what keeps us awake andalert.
However, we don't want thatdominating over that
parasympathetic state.
So where I'm really trying toget to is these things can both
be affected, yes, emotionally,which is where the functional
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medicine space, the holisticspace talks really frequently
about and like over-emphasizesand rightfully.
But there is also physicalstressors on that autonomic
nervous system, which cancontribute to these blocks and
these switches that we'retalking about.
So this is where things likenutrition and supplementation
does come into play because youcan be working on that emotional
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component all day long.
But if you have something thatis physically taxing this
autonomic nervous system, that'sgonna keep that body in a
stressed-out state.
And as much as we would love tobelieve that we can outground
these things, and I do believeradical healing as well.
So sometimes we can pray thesethings away.
But for the most part, we aregonna need some type of like
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physical support.
So if we don't have thatcombination support of both that
energetic emotional componentwith things like body code,
emotion code, grounding,breathing techniques, prayer
meditation combined with thephysical factors that might be
taxing this nervous system,we're never really gonna see
those blocks and those switchesactually self-correct in the
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body.
So it's really important to bemindful of both of those things.
So when I'm muscle testing withclients, I will sometimes just
ask the body, is this uh switchthat's happening in this
autonomic nervous system, isthis physical, is it energetic,
or is it a combination of both?
And if both do present,sometimes we need to be careful
because again, coming back tothose layers, we need to make
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sure that the body is ready toaddress one or the other, or
maybe both at the same time.
So there will be times withmuscle testing where I ask the
client's body, is this somethingthat the body is ready to
address from a physicalstandpoint?
Yes.
Is this something that the bodyis ready to address from an
energetic standpoint?
No.
And we need to honor that too,because the body is always
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trying to protect ourselves.
So coming back to that veryfirst question where we talked
about detoxification anddrainage pathways, everything in
life does have a frequency toit.
So these physical factors aregonna be frequencies traveling
through that same highwaysystem.
And the energies are also gonnatravel through that same
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highway system.
So if we think about thesepathogens, toxins, and energies
as cars on the road, the morevehicles we have, the more
congested that highway is gonnabecome.
Sometimes the body is saying weneed to address the physical
first because we need to clearout that highway before we can
make room for more vehicles,which is where that emotional
component comes into the play.
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So I know that kind of goes alittle bit beyond just the
blocking and the switching, butI hope that answers things for
people and having that visualhere can be really helpful.
Dr.Caver (26:55):
Yeah, it's great.
And I, while you're talking, itmakes me think of you know, you
maybe maybe you have a friendor a relative who eats all the
junk food in the world and neverexercise and yet they're happy
and healthy, like so not fair.
What the heck?
But perhaps it's because theirnervous system is more balanced.
They're they're not worried.
I think this was also part ofmy problem too.
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As I started to learn a littlebit more and I was detailed, it
was like, it was all like, oh mygod, if I don't do that, I
started to become that termorthorexic.
Like everything was a problem,and you you overthink every
little morsel you're putting inyour body and every little toxic
element that's in the house inthe air, and you know, you
create more stress.
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So even though you're becomingaware, that extra stress on a
nervous system is impeding youfrom making real progress.
Some of the people who areblissfully unaware that all the
toxic in the environment,sometimes they might be
healthier because their nervoussystem isn't stressed out,
right?
They don't have that extra manyextra vehicles right on the
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road clogging up all of theirpathways.
So again, you know, why it's soimportant that we combine all
these things.
I know my health really tookthe turn for the better when I
started addressing more of thisemotional thing.
And as you said, like I firstknew Mackenzie and she referred
me to Katie, and we've beenworking together for a couple of
years now, maybe one, twomonths.
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I'm like, I don't like goingtoo long without talking to
Katie because she just makeseverything feel good and calm
and and uh and again I likehaving therapy, but also there's
a there's that that physicalside to it because you know
you're not just talking aboutit, but you're actually moving
that energy away.
And it's it's helped me learn alot about myself too, because
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I'm like, oh, I'm acting thisway because of that pattern that
I had from age three.
So it's crazy all the thingsthat come up from such a long
time ago, but we know in zero tosix, that's where your nervous
system is being impacted themost.
And pretty much by age six,your nervous system has already
determined the filter for therest of your life, whether
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that's good or bad.
And so I think the emotions arereally powerful to go back some
of the behaviors.
Maybe you don't, maybe you wantto you change something about
your thought pattern or yourhabits, but if you don't really
understand where they came fromor they started or how that
energy could be stuck in apathway, it's really hard to
make changes.
So if you're the kind of personwho wants to do something
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differently, maybe we actuallyhave to physically move the
energy in the right, right placeor something.
So we've talked about muscletesting, which is really great.
And I know Mackenzie, everytime I see her, she'll say,
helps the nervous system, whatare the things we need to do?
But also what other maybe detoxmodalities?
Because I work in a very toxicprofession.
I'm around heavy metals andplastics and all sorts of bad
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stuff all the time.
So I need to be constantlytrying to move that stuff
through my body.
So maybe you guys can talkabout what are some other detox
modalities that you see are themost helpful.
For people.
Yeah.
Makenzie (30:03):
I can start first and wants to chime in here too.
And how we can integrate thatinto the muscle testing too.
So I just want to say that isthe beauty of the muscle testing
as well.
So we're communicating directlywith the body with muscle
testing.
So we can explore whatmodalities are going to be best
for this person at this point intime.
(30:24):
Because again, we do also wantto make sure when the nervous
system is coming up as alreadyin a stressed-out state, we
don't want to further placestress on that nervous system.
We want to support it.
And although all thesedifferent detox modalities,
supplements, nutrition, theseare wonderful things to be
supporting the body.
Sometimes if we're doing alittle too much, that's going to
(30:46):
stress out our bodies as well.
So that's where we start to getinto things like herximer
reactions, which is a detoxreaction.
And that is also communicationfrom the body that maybe we're
doing too much or we're doingsomething too soon.
So we also have to be carefulof honoring that as well.
And we really want to respectthe body throughout this
process.
Some of the different detoxmodalities that you can
(31:08):
implement over time are thingslike castor oil packs.
Those are amazing for livergallbladder health.
Some people place them on theirthyroid if they're experiencing
some kind of thyroid toxicity.
We can place that over theovaries as well.
So if people have things likecysts, a lot of the times these
cysts are going to beaccumulation of toxins or
pathogens or other things beingstored in the body.
(31:30):
And the body is really justtrying to protect it by like
encapsulating these things sothey don't go in other
directions in the body.
So castor oil packs are a greatway to detox things like I
know, Dr.
Cover, you have it in youroffice as well, and I did.
The ion cleanse, which is anionic foot bath.
So it's really pulling outtoxins throughout the body into
(31:53):
the water.
Other modalities can be thingslike acupuncture.
I tell people there is nothingthat moves the energy in the
body quite the way thatacupuncture does.
So those are some really greatadditional detox modalities.
But again, we don't want tojust go dive headfirst into all
these modalities.
We also want to keep it simpleand ask ourselves the question
(32:15):
Am I actually supporting my bodyfrom a foundational
perspective, like on a verybasic level, before I start
diving into these things?
Because what I do see is a lotof people want to go head first
into these modalities, butthey're in a credibly depleted
state.
So they're missing a lot oftheir micronutrients.
So micronutrients, for those ofyou who don't know, are gonna
(32:36):
be like your vitamins and yourminerals and your food.
So most of us are walkingaround in a completely depleted
state without realizing it.
And if we just added in thatvery basic mineral support,
that's gonna help thosedetoxification processes and
those drainage pathways way morethan any other detox modality.
So I always start with myclients with making sure that
(32:58):
we're getting those foundationsin first.
And then as the body suggeststhat it's ready to start
implementing some of these otherdetox modalities, that's when
we'll add in things likesupplementation.
We'll do the foot bath.
Maybe we're implementing castoroil packs or infrared sauna is
a great way to detox heavymetals.
So that's really what I do frommy standpoint.
(33:19):
And then with Katie, wecollaborate a lot and we've come
to learn that just like thetoxins and the pathogens, like
we've been talking about fromthe emotional standpoint,
they're all traveling on thatsame highway system.
So sometimes during what wecall your processing time for
body code, which Katie can speakmore on this, you might need
something to help facilitatethat out.
(33:39):
So she will ask, is there maybea detox modality that this
person can benefit from afterthis session?
So I'll let you take the reinson that, Katie.
Katie (33:48):
Yes, that's a really good point.
There, our body, when it'sprocessing out emotions, it's
not much different thanprocessing out an actual toxin
or a pathogen.
And there will be times thatthe body is suggesting it needs
support.
So at the end of each session,I'll ask how about roughly how
many days does this person needto process this information?
(34:08):
And really what I'm asking isroughly how long is it going to
take for this person to adjustfor from all the work that we've
done?
But it's like when you've goneto a massage and you feel really
great afterwards.
And then the next day you'relike, gosh, I feel a little
crummy.
Maybe it's all those toxinsgetting pushed out of my body.
And then maybe the followingday you start to feel better.
(34:30):
Or if you do a sauna or a hottub and then you just feel achy
afterwards, that might be a signyou need to replenish yourself
with some water and someminerals.
The same thing is oftenneeding, is needed with the
emotion and body code.
And so there will be times thatthe body suggests, hey, some
type of homeopathic remedy isgoing to be needed here, whether
that's a drainage tone.
(34:50):
And that's really commonly,that's been given to me when I'm
working on draining some typeof a pathogen, but that's also
something that could be done forenergetic reasons as well for
my emotions.
Kidney tone is one that oftenwill show up for people, or just
those natural, like calm five,field of flowers, homeopathics
are really commonly needed.
(35:12):
And if the body isn't saying,hey, I don't need any physical
support, almost always it'sgoing to be beneficial for
someone to do more just gentle,everyday things to help your
lymphatic drainage.
That's walking, that'sstretching, that's drinking
water with minerals.
Sometimes people like to dosomething a little bit more.
So they might use that jaderoller to help their lymphatic
(35:34):
drainage, or they might do thosevibration plates or different
things like that.
And those are all gonna behelpful, gentle ways to process
the emotional information.
Dr.Caver (35:43):
So I think what you guys both brought up was really
important that often we overdoit.
That the mentality is not onlythe colors in colors out, but
the harder I exercise, the moreI do that.
And I was totally caught inthis.
The more I do, the faster I'mgonna heal and the better I'm
gonna do.
When in fact, it can actuallydeplete you further.
As Mackenzie just said, likemost of us are so so depleted.
(36:06):
I remember years and years ago,I was working with this
practitioner and it was allabout this detox and detox and
all these coffee enemas, and itwas like a 10-day process,
right?
Okay, again.
When you hear anything like10-day detox, 21-day detox,
okay, it's just nonsense becausewe've been accumulating toxins
for most of us for decades,right?
So to think that you can clearit all out in 10 or 21 days is
(36:28):
just it's not gonna happen.
Sounds good.
And maybe you lose some waterweight, but and maybe you have a
little bit of energy, butthat's it's very temporary.
So anyway, I did this 10 days,and I did two coffee emas after.
I was like, my eczema is worsethan ever.
And he's like, well, just doanother coffee enema.
And I I just think, and thenvery shortly after is where I
found the cell phone, got onthose two parasite products that
(36:51):
for me, a lot of the uhAyurvedic herbs in that pair
too, I think really soothed myintestines, and that allowed
because when my eczema isflaring, that means the toxins
are coming out of my skin.
And even though I was doingthese coffee enemas, my
intestines were still notamenable to really proper
flushing.
I was like forcing it outversus letting my body do the
(37:13):
thing.
So when I had all that meme andall that good moisturizing,
healthy stuff, that's when myeczema really started to go away
after months.
So, you know, more is notalways better.
And again, this is why muscletesting, we talk about it all
the time on the podcast.
And so many more people arefamiliar with this, and so many
practitioners are understand howto do this because again,
especially when we have allthese complex issues and maybe
(37:35):
been dealing with something fora long time, we need to heal in
the right layers and we need todo it at the right times and not
over there.
Sometimes maybe that we need tonot do anything, right?
And we just need to be like,okay, we pushed whatever
supplement really hard.
No, we just need to rest.
And it shouldn't, we have tothink of it like a marathon,
right?
It is not, it is going to taketime.
(37:57):
And when you can get yournervous system to be like, I'm
okay, I have the support, I willget there, because that mindset
is also so important.
And like Kenzie, you said rightat the beginning, listen, if
you're looking for the quickfix, I'm not the person for you.
If that's not how it's gonnawork.
And so having that rightmindset is going to help balance
that nervous system and then beable to go through these steps
(38:21):
one by one, which is soimportant.
One of the questions we talkedabout ahead of time that I sent
you guys is like, why do somepeople accumulate more toxins
than others?
And I I think I've answered ita little bit, like those of us
who are more stressed out,right?
We have more of those vehicleson the road.
And it could be somewhatgenetics too.
(38:42):
A lot of there's always talkabout this MTHFR and the ability
to not detoxify really well.
I don't know if you've adds hadany other thoughts too about
that question.
Katie (38:54):
Yeah, I think from the emotional perspective, I have
some people that come in andthey ask themselves, gosh, why
am I always showing up withnervous system disruption or why
am I always absorbing otherpeople's emotions?
And you know, if you reallythink, like you said, Dr.
Carver, our nervous system isreally established in those
(39:14):
early years of life.
And if someone grew upexperiencing a lot of emotional
experiences or trauma, or maybethere's generational trauma,
they're living in a nervoussystem that doesn't feel safe.
And if you really think of whenyou're feeling safe in your
body, you're grounded, you'recomfortable, you're not having
to look around in every momentand thinking, am I safe?
(39:35):
What do people think?
Do I trust that person's facialexpressions?
What are their intentions?
You're just present in themoment.
But if someone's nervous systemis hyper-vigilant and they need
to know, am I safe?
Can I trust these people?
They are automatically morevulnerable to take on the stress
of the world.
They're more likely toreinforce their own nervous
(39:56):
system dysregulation, and that'sgoing to help build that toxin
load.
So getting safe in your bodyand being grounded is one of the
first, one of the preventativeways that we can help reduce
that risk of that toxin exposureemotionally or even physically.
Dr.Caver (40:12):
I think that's that makes me think that um as a mom,
right?
Mostly our children's nervoussystem for the most part is
highly adapted to the mother'snervous system, right?
And I look at my own kids andthey're definitely more anxious
than more, and because I was sostressed out when they were
little, and then I got to theframework, oh my gosh, I can't
(40:32):
feed them this, and I can't feedthem in this toxin is gonna
kill them.
And coming from a good place,wanting to protect my kids, but
my whole response coming fromfear instead of love, right?
Fear is the lowest vibration,the lowest frequency we can
have.
We see what happened with thewhole COVID.
There was so much fear that wasbeing pushed out into society,
(40:55):
which was not a good thing.
So I think as moms, especiallyif you're a new mom with young
kids, thinking about where I hadone practitioner one time I was
having my daughter see how todo neurofeedback.
And she said, I won't treatyour daughter unless you treat
yourself first.
And I was like, interesting.
I was like, huh, okay.
And I wasn't offended because Iwas like, I was really open to
learning and but I was justlike, that's so interesting.
(41:17):
And I think that's really true.
Sometimes I see in my practicea lot of uh these uh families
that are so holistic and they'redoing everything right.
Why are the kids getting allthese counties?
It doesn't make sense.
They're doing everything right,but then also it's like are we
so anxious about it?
And so I think that that'sreally really important kind of
setting that tone in those earlyyears, making the kids uh feel
(41:41):
like they're safe andeverything, because like you
said, by that age, it's likehard.
And now it doesn't mean, oh,now you know, but it's too late,
but because that's why we havepeople like wonderful Katie who
will help us try to navigatethat and unleash some of that
early trauma that created thosepatterns.
And so if we become clear andthen we start working on them,
(42:03):
we can make good progress.
Yeah, uh so we talked a littlebit, you just mentioned Katie
about prevention.
But as I just said, one of theways prevention is trying to
make all of ourselves and ourchildren especially feel safe in
their environment.
Any other ways you think thatwe can both emotionally and
(42:24):
physically uh protect our bodiesfrom all of these toxins?
You guys have been listening tothe podcast, you hear me say it
a million times 80,000 pluschemicals in our environment.
We can't be stressed out withthem.
It is what it is.
So, what do you each of youmaybe as we wrap it up here?
What are some really good,maybe preventative strategies,
(42:44):
Dillo?
Again, everything isindividualized, but overall,
what might be some goodstrategies for prevention of
toxin accumulation?
Makenzie (42:52):
Yeah.
Okay, do you want to go firstor you want me to go first?
Okay, okay.
You got it, girl.
This is one that is very closeto my heart because right,
they've either already workedwith a practitioner or now we're
getting like informationoverload on socials all the
time.
So it's just a constant influxof be scared of this, be scared
of that, avoid this, avoid that.
(43:13):
And I work with my clients andsay we absolutely want to be
consciously aware of where thesethings are coming from in our
environment, and we want toreduce our overall exposure to
these things because we don'twant that constant accumulation.
We also don't want to put ourbodies in that stressed-out
state because of that nervoussystem.
So we don't want to bechronically fearing them either.
(43:36):
So we are never going to livein a completely toxic free world
anymore.
We're always gonna beencountering them.
So, what we want to do is one,be consciously aware, okay,
where are these coming from?
How can I maybe reduce some ofthis in my environment,
especially my home or myworkplace, because that's where
I spend most of my time.
And then two, we wanna besupporting the body's
(43:57):
resiliency.
So we wanna support it for whenit does encounter these toxins,
so that if it encounters it,it's not creating this systemic
problem all the time.
So your body is saying, look,there's that toxin, great, we
know what to do with that.
Let's flush it out becausewe've really worked on that
highway system.
There's not a lot of vehicleson the road.
(44:18):
We could just move this along,no problem.
And then the third thing I tellmy clients, especially when it
comes to food, right?
Because we do know thatnutrition is a foundational
component.
It is super important becauseof those vitamins and minerals
that are in that food.
If we are out and we areenjoying food and dining out,
and most of the time we'remaking our meals at home, we're
(44:39):
focusing on eliminating seedoils, we're buying predominantly
organic produce, we're beingcareful with the quality of our
meats at home.
But the times we go out andwe're trying to enjoy ourselves,
don't stress over that food.
That is the worst possiblething that you do because the
moment you start stressing aboutthat food, you are already
(45:00):
stimulating that sympatheticnervous system domination.
And then you are absolutely notgoing to digest anything on
your plate.
So this is where the power ofprayer comes into place for me
personally and for a lot of myclients.
So make sure you're prayingover that food.
Ask your body to absorb as manyof the nutrients that are
(45:20):
actually existing in that foodbecause we want to get that
nourishment physically.
But I tell my clients, youknow, what's not necessarily
nourishing the physical body ismaybe nourishing the joy in your
life.
And that's really an importantfactor too, because you'll hear
people come back to this is atopic for another day, but like
the blue zones, right?
Everyone's always crazy aboutthe blue zones.
(45:40):
Everybody lives to a hundred.
This is what they do.
But there is that like socialcommunal factor.
So maybe they are having aglass of wine, maybe they are
having something that theywouldn't normally on a daily
basis that maybe has some toxinsin it.
But because they're in a placein a state where they're
thoroughly enjoying theircompany, they're gonna process
(46:02):
that food way better and theirbodies are gonna be able to
handle that.
And then lastly, on the pointof prayer, that's also setting
your nervous system up forsuccess for being in that
parasympathetic state.
So there's prayer from anenergetic standpoint, but then
there's also a physicalstandpoint because you actually
have to slow down when you'repraying over your food.
You have to take a minute tobreathe.
And so that really sets thetone in that nervous system.
(46:25):
So that's how I approach itwith my clients.
So I'll have you speak more tothat, Katie, from an energetic
perspective.
Katie (46:33):
Yes, I just to reinforce honestly what Mackenzie said
about not being so afraid inadvance about all these toxins.
The same thing goes with youremotions.
It's not realistic to expectyourself to never be stressed
and to never have a negativeemotion.
Because if I have a negativeemotion, it's gonna get stuck
and then I'm gonna cause my kidstrauma.
We have to remember that everysingle and every single emotion
(46:56):
has a function and it's designedto communicate to our body.
Just like an ache or pain isyour body's way of saying, hey,
there's something I need toaddress.
The emotion of sadness istrying to communicate something
that's important to you that youmight need to grieve.
Or loneliness is your body'sway of saying that you need to
connect with other people inyour life.
So slowing down and allowingyourself to go, what am I
(47:18):
feeling?
And what is the message tryingto be conveyed through that
emotion?
And can I respond to thatemotion?
We are designed to be whatemotional beings and responding
to those emotions.
So it's pretty remarkable howmuch the body will not store and
get stuck if we're listening toour emotions, acknowledging
(47:39):
them, feeling them, andresponding.
But to the other points of whatMackenzie said, truly living a
little bit of a slower-pacedlife, where we're just going
from one thing to the next andwe're living in that sympathetic
dominant state, slowing down,maybe considering having a
Sabbath day, moving into moregratitude and prayer is going to
(48:01):
physically and energeticallyhelp us get into that
parasympathetic state.
Those are great preventativemeasures.
Dr.Caver (48:08):
I'm not even gonna say any more because I think that
was a fantastic wrap-up ofeverything that we said, and
that is honoring your body,honoring every emotion.
I think that was an importantpoint.
I'm really glad that youmentioned that.
But everything is a chance forus to take stock of our life and
everything around it.
So, guys, thanks so much forjoining me.
(48:30):
If you guys want to mentionreal quickly how if others want
to reach out, how they couldfind you, and we'll also put it
in the show notes.
That would be great.
Katie (48:38):
Yes.
Thanks for having us, Dr.
Carver.
And our website here ishoneyholistichealth.com.
And we also have an Instagram,Honey Holistic Health.
Makenzie (48:47):
And for me, the website is Harvest Wellness and
Nutrition, amd nutrition.com.
And then you can also find us.
I will be honest, I really tryto practice what I preach, so
you're not gonna find a lot onsocials here.
So if you want to connect,email is definitely best.
Contacting us through thewebsite.
But we do have a socialaccount, which is gonna be at
(49:08):
harvest wellness and nutrition.
Dr.Caver (49:10):
Thanks again, guys, for spending your morning with
me.
Two of my favorite ladies, thisgood information to you because
they keep me sane and healthyand happy.
Thanks so much, guys.
And I hope everybody enjoyedthis episode.
Next one coming up, we're gonnatalk about detoxing our home
and our beauty care products.
So stay tuned.
Have a great day, everybody.
Thank you.
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