Transforming Stress and Overeating Through Emotional Brain Training with Dr. Laurel Mellin

What if the key to overcoming overeating and managing stress lies not in sheer willpower but in understanding and reshaping our emotional circuits? Join us as we uncover the groundbreaking approach of Emotional Brain Training (EBT) with our special guest, Dr. Laurel Mellin, PhD, a health psychologist and founder of EBT.

Dr. Laurel takes us through her own experience of battling overeating from a young age, leading her to develop EBT as a tool to address the root causes of stress-related health issues. We explore how early childhood experiences shape emotional circuits that influence lifelong habits and behaviors, and how EBT offers practical tools to manage these stresses effectively.

Discover how Emotional Brain Training can transform your ability to handle the overwhelming stress of modern life, from personal health to relationships. Traditional methods often fall short, but EBT stands out by providing actionable tools to switch off stress responses and move beyond mere calm to a state of joy. We discuss the evolution of these tools, including the development of an app that makes EBT more accessible, and how these advancements can help individuals, couples, and families navigate stress and achieve a healthier mental state. This episode is packed with insights for anyone looking for efficient, science-based solutions for stress management.

The conversation doesn't stop there; we also delve into the potential of EBT to reprogram the emotional brain. Laurel shares personal anecdotes and professional experiences illustrating the real-world impact of stress on mental and physical health. From teaching emotional resilience to children and teenagers to transforming relationships and personal well-being, we highlight the importance of recognizing and addressing stress to lead a happier, healthier life. Tune in to learn how Emotional Brain Training can be a game-changer in managing stress and fostering emotional resilience.

Find out more about Dr. Laurel and her work, check out her website here: https://www.ebtconnect.net/

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, welcome to another episode of
the Root of the Matter.
I am your host, dr RachelCarver.
Today we have Laurel Mellon,phd, a health psychologist and
founder of Emotional BrainTraining, and I'm very excited
to have her on.
Those of you who've beenlistening for a while know how
much I believe that our emotionsreally impact our stress

(00:20):
response, how it impacts ouroverall health.
The exciting thing is some ofus maybe we aren't great
meditators and maybe we can't doall this Vegas nerve training,
so I'm always looking for what.
Are there other ways?
We're all different humans.
How can we, all you know,create our best health?
So here we have another amazingtool that we're going to learn
about today.

(00:41):
Laurel, thank you for being on.
Maybe you can tell us a littlebit about your journey and how
you got into developingemotional brain training.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Thank you so much.
I'm such a joy to be here.
You know you always start withyour own pain, right?
Because your own pain isactually the best teacher,
because you don't reallyunderstand how other people feel
when they feel bad, unlessuntil you feel that way.
And for me, it was overeatingwhen I was 11 and I was binge
eating and I became anutritionist and I thought, well

(01:09):
, it's important to know aboutnutrition.
If I could just know what toeat, I would stop this sugar
attacks that I have.
And so what I found out is thatI got lucky.
I was a nutritionist and I gota job at the University of
California, san Francisco, as afaculty member and I was on a

(01:29):
grant where they really didn'tknow exactly what to do with me.
So I got to do with what Iwanted, which I got to go to the
root cause of why peopleovereat, and what I found was
that way back in 1940, a studyhad been done this was child and
adolescent obesity, but thesame for adults that a woman
named Hilda Brooke was apsychiatrist.
She was probably 90 pounds,sopping wet, and she was
studying eating disorders andobesity and she did a study that

(01:50):
showed that it was a connectionbetween parent and child or the
connection in general thatactually predicted whether there
would be that drive to overeat.
And I was a young faculty memberand I thought I'll just teach
those emotional tools.
Lo and behold, they not onlyworked, but the data showed that
they caused lasting weight loss.
And at that point a mother whohad been in this program that I

(02:12):
had developed came in and saidyou know, my child has stopped
overeating.
I'm still overeating.
I want what she has.
How can I get it?
And so I began.
I moved from pediatrics tofamily medicine and I started
essentially what's become aworldwide effort with emotional
brain training to go to the rootcause, which is when the
emotional brain is in stress,people naturally not only

(02:36):
overeat and tend to gain weight,but all the other mental health
and and health problems andchronic diseases cause because
of the stress chemical cascadethat flows for all people.
So if you're vulnerable toeating and weight, you're going
to gain weight.
If those stress chemicals causeyou to be depressed or anxious,

(02:56):
or you have a few reallychallenging experiences early in
life and have some traumacircuits in there, you're going
to have mental health issues,and so the list goes on.
So it's really a way of usingsimple emotional tools that can
be used whether you're six or106, to switch off the stress

(03:20):
response.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I found this fascinating through my own
research.
You know I've seen this toothat what's really interesting
is that these circuits get kindof wired in at such an early age
, right so before really we'reconscious of what we're doing.
You know, we make these storiesabout these situations which
aren't really real, but theybecome real by with these little
circuits.
You know, I've seen it and I'veseen this time to time and I

(03:41):
totally believe this.
You know, when we struggle withoverweight, I absolutely think
that at the root of that islittle circuits.
I've seen it and I've seen thistime and time again.
I totally believe this.
When we struggle withoverweight, I absolutely think
that at the root of that is someemotional circuit gone awry.
So people who are alwaysstruggling.
Yes, if you can't address thisemotional piece, you're just
constantly doing the yo-yo,dieting without really making
real headway.

(04:03):
So maybe talk to us a littlebit about how these circuits are
formed in early childhood.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, there's a couple of things which you've
just said is so important,because when you say to someone,
well, you've got to strugglewith your emotional problems, it
sounds like you've got to go toa therapist for the rest of
your life.
And the current therapy is notbased on brain science and I
really hate to say that, but itis true in that, ultimately, it

(04:32):
is about self-regulation.
If you don't have the skills toprocess your emotions, you will
start encoding circuits thattake you on wild goose chases.
They're called survivalcircuits.
So you get, for example, withme.
I came home from school when Iwas age 11.
I had just been teased atschool.
I didn't know how to deal withmy emotions, and so what my

(04:53):
brain does is says I'm out ofhere, you've got to find a way
to be safe and be rewarded.
And there were cinnamon rollson the counter.
I reached for the cinnamonrolls and I ate them.
Now that sounds like it waslike a bad habit or a bad
response, but actually it wasmuch more than that.
In that moment I was running afight or flight circuit Okay,

(05:14):
fight or flight circuit, a bigold gargantuan circuit, and my
relationship with food at thetime was just normal.
I had a little tiny foodcircuit that was better to eat
sugar than it was to eatbroccoli.
Well, in the same moment when Ireached for that cinnamon roll
actually, there were three ofthem at that moment when I was
in fight or flight the brainmakes a survival circuit to

(05:37):
repeat that response.
And so what happens is I wakeup the next morning and I no
longer am the same person.
I now have an emotional brain,an unconscious mind that is
sporting a survival circuit toget my safety or love from sugar
, and I had no idea why Istarted to have this unusual
appetite.

(05:57):
So what's going on here is weexperience several things in
childhood.
Number one if we don't get theemotional connection we need and
our parents don't have theemotional tools to process
stress and remember, we now knowfrom New York University

(06:17):
studies that in fact, thinkingor being mindful or being aware
or analyzing are not effectiveat today's stress levels, you
cannot think your way out of aneating binge.
And so what happens is if wedon't get those emotional skills
to process our anger and fearsand upsets back to a state of
connection and joy andwell-being, if you use the

(06:38):
emotional brain in the way weuse it.
With emotional brain training,it takes one to three minutes to
turn off the stress responseand turn stress into joy.
This was a major discovery atthe University of California,
san Francisco, this changinghealth care, because people
can't process the level ofstress with the speed of change,
the overwhelming temptationsand just the overload right now.

(07:01):
And so the old way of evenprocessing emotions, of saying
how do I feel and what do I need, is like spitting in the wind.
Because when the brain is in astress response which most
people we have a five pointsystem.
One is low stress, all the wayto five is stress overload.
If you're at one or two, youcan say how do I feel, what do I

(07:22):
need?
In fact, the emotional braintraining tool for that is how do
I feel, what do I need?
But once you hit a little morestress and you get out of what's
called homeostasis or thathealth promoting chemical milieu
, into allostasis, which isstress overload, careening out
of control, these circuits arestuck on.
So you can't just stop them ina moment, unless one thing you

(07:45):
know how to effectively processyour emotions with this formula
that we discovered in ebt.
It was really a major discovery, because if you don't do that,
if you don't switch off thatstress response, the circuit,
the cause, it gets stronger andthese circuits get stuck on and
then you have chronic stress,which is the root cause of most
health problems mental, physicalor metabolic.

(08:07):
So, whatever that is, we wantto be out of that stress ditch
and get back to the oppositestate, which is joy, and that
should be a skill that everyfamily has, every couple has,
every individual has.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Absolutely, and I know, you know, in my practice
again, I've been in my practicenow 15 years and I'll have
somebody come in and they have ayou know toothache and there's
nothing.
There's not an obvious cavity,there's not an obvious infection
.
And so, as over the years nowI've learned you know what's
going on in your life.
Right, as you said, stressimpacts every single aspect of

(08:42):
our health, including dentalhealth.
Right, we're all one body,everything is connected and it's
just fascinating.
Sometimes we're going to feelthat pain in our teeth,
sometimes we're going to feel itin our elbow or our knees or
where else it may be.
You know, understanding thatstress response and I think what
you're saying is so importantthat we are in a completely new

(09:03):
era.
And, as you said, theinformation this is what my dad
was saying to me not too longago.
So I'm like you know, I'mtrying to raise two teenage kids
and I'm just that in and ofitself.
Forget having to run a practiceand all that.
Just being a parent these daysis incredibly stressful Because,
like you said, informationoverload.
There is so much coming at uslike never before in the history

(09:25):
of time have we had all ofthese.
You know, external stresses.
And now we have all thesestresses.
We can't see, we can't feel,you know, and it's just, it's,
it's crazy impactful.
So all of us feel like we're infight or flight all the time.
So, now more than ever, we needthese tools and, and you know,
some of us, like I said, I justI'm not a meditator.

(09:46):
I always feel like I don't havetime to meditate where, you
know, right, I could prioritize,but for me it doesn't really
work.
You know, I need something alittle bit more active,
something that I can, you know,really do and understand.
You know I'm excited to learnabout this emotional brain
training.
You know I was excited to learnabout this emotional brain
training.
You know I was researching alittle before we got on, and you

(10:08):
talk about there are certainrules that we have in emotional
brain training.
Maybe we can kind of unpackthose rules a little bit.
And how do we get started?
Yeah, sure, Great.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Well, the rules are essentially that you need to
make your first priority whenyou get up in the morning.
Remember that the opposite ofstress is not calm.
All of this is based onneurophysiology.
It's just science, and what I'msaying is, right now, mental
health care is not based on thisphysiology.
They've been looking for a wayand of course we know that EBT

(10:42):
is that way, because it givespeople the skills to get out of
the stress ditch whenever theywant to, in one to three minutes
.
But the same tools would usewith precision with our app,
actually break up the circuitsfrom the past, like my food
circuit or a mood circuit orsomething that triggers you
those overreactions, so theyreconsolidate, they rewire those

(11:03):
circuits that are getting usreally triggered.
But we do know that when youuse the tools, you get out of
stress, but it's not enough toget to calm, and I must say that
I'm not a meditator either,because my stress is too high.
I was born in a family that wasvery loving, but there was a
lot going on, so I got a lot ofcircuits from the past.

(11:25):
I moved into, I went throughcollege in three years.
I've always been a really busy,active person and I want
results now.
I want to get a biochemicalshift in my body in one to three
minutes, not 30 minutes or anhour.
I just don't have it Okay, andit's just not efficient.
So what what we know fromneurobiology is that the

(11:49):
opposite of stress is not calm,because the what the stress
response, the HPA axis, does notshut off effectively until
you're in positive, strong,positive emotions, which
neuroscience is labeled as joy.
So those joyous feelings, itdoesn't mean happy, happy, happy

(12:09):
it means connected in flowstate, trying to do the best you
can in a difficult situation tobe a good person and get stuff
done.
And so what I mean by that isyou don't set your sights on
calmness because you're probablygoing to be suppressing your
emotions, and so instead youstart off your day and say what
am I doing with my day?

(12:30):
Remember, optimal physiology isbased on being in that
connected flow joy state, evenfor little moments here and
there, throughout every hour.
And you can do that when youwake up in the morning.
The first rule is you say whatam I doing with my day?
I'm taking care of myphysiology, my chemicals in

(12:51):
every cell of my body and makingthem optimal and being the best
person I can be, which means Iam creating joy in my life.
I'm not waiting for joy tohappen.
I am using brain-based toolsbecause my brain knows how to
create joy.
I've just got to just activatethat natural joy response by
using these emotional tools.
And then, whenever you're not inthat connected state, you say

(13:14):
and let's say that you, you dosomething where you say why did
I have that judgment?
Or why, why couldn't I havebeen nicer there, or why
whatever?
Whenever you start to judgeyourself that you have an issue
or you're not feeling great, youstop all judgments and you know
that truthfully, based onneurophysiology, everything we
experience is the activation ofa circuit.

(13:35):
And so you say to yourselfthat's really a crummy circuit,
I don't want that circuitactivated.
You reach for your EBT app andyou process the emotions.
And what happens withprocessing the emotions is it
actually dismantles the oldcircuit emotionally and then
constructs an optimal circuitwhere you're back to that glow

(13:57):
state again in one to threeminutes.
And so that's what you dothroughout your day and that's
all you need to do.
And so that's what you dothroughout your day and that's
all you need to do, Because whathappens is every after people
get used to we call thisspiraling up.
If I'm not in that joy state,I'm just not going to judge
myself, I'm going to use the EBTtools.
There are actually five levelsof stress in the brain, based on

(14:19):
how stressed you are.
Because when you're notstressed, the thinking brain is
in charge and the emotions arejust, you know, kind of positive
.
They're all like love andcompassion and whatever.
When you're at brain state two,you're feeling pretty good, but
not great.
Those emotions.
You can just say how do I feeland what do I need?
And then, once you go to brainstate three that's right, where

(14:40):
the middle of your cheekbone is,that's where the dominant area
is and that's the limbic brainyou have a problem at that point
.
So at three, four or five, theold school way of saying how do
I feel, what do I need Makes youjust crazy tunes, because what
you're going to say is I don'tknow how I feel.
What's wrong with me?
Anyway, I don't know.
I know there's something wrongif I just figure it out, so you

(15:02):
go into this disconnected state.
There's something wrong if Ijust figure it out, so you go
into this disconnected state.
This is the beauty of this, drCarver.
The beauty of this is that forall people, even though we're
very different in our thinkingbrain, our resiliency pathways
are all the same.
So what happens when you're instress is the resiliency
pathways are unlocked and allyou need to do is use the tool

(15:25):
for that state.
But in general, you express acomplaint, you say what's
bothering you.
In about three sentences youexpress, you use something
called the anger procedure,which takes about 10 seconds to
15 seconds, and it completelyclears the stress the anger
procedure.
And then you have one sadnessthat you feel, one fear and one

(15:49):
statement of hey, I could dosomething different.
At that point, the old circuitthis is how simple it is the old
circuit is now dismantled.
You're not at three, four orfive, you're about at two and
from that point you eitherrewire a circuit if the
circuit's bothering you, or ifthere's no circuit, you just
express your positive emotionsand you are back to optimal

(16:11):
physiology.
So this is the big news.
In therapy right now, inpsychology right now, people
identify well, I have an angerproblem, or I'm depressed, or
I'm depressed, or I'm anxious,or whatever.
That stuck state is that we getinto shame, anxiety, depression
, hostility, false highs.

(16:32):
Even though we have differentnames for them, the process of
dismantling the circuit that'scausing them is one and the same
, so we don't even have to saywhat our mental health problem
is.
We just have to say what brainstate am I in, apply the tool,
the circuit that's offensive,that's causing us to feel this

(16:53):
way or do these things, shutsoff and it always replaces it
with a healthy circuit, becauseour brain wants us to get back
to being kind and being generousand being able to have the
health and well-being to takecare of our elderly and our
children and make the world abetter place.
That's how the brain's set up.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Well, I think this is great because, you know,
probably when we get to thatthree, four or five stage, we
don't even know why we'refeeling, you know.
So that's why people go totherapy because they don't know
why they're anxious, they don'tknow why they have anger.
So this seems like such an easy, great tool you can do by
yourself.
Just you just have toacknowledge the emotion, right,

(17:32):
and then work on that wayinstead of understanding every
little thing that has led tothat emotion.
This is great, and I think thisone thing I love like when on
your website talks about rulenumber one is you do not have a
problem or an issue.
And I think this is soimportant and I want everybody
to really hear what I'm sayinghere that there's so often

(17:55):
people play the victim, right,you get this diagnosis.
And now, for example, my owndaughter she was really
struggling with anxiety, reallyhad a hard time like test taking
.
Just she, literally when shewould go in for a test, she'd be
so anxious her brain would shutoff, like the biophysical
problem in her brain, thatthinking brain would completely
shut down.

(18:15):
And so she wanted to be testedfor ADHD and all these things.
And you know, I was just kindof putting it off.
She's my very sensitive kid,she's empathic, like, she
absorbs a lot of stuff and youknow I was trying to get her
some of the energy work, some ofthe deeper work right.
And so I relented and I had onepatient tell me, you know, once

(18:37):
I actually acknowledged mychild wanting that and got him
tested.
He did great because I saidokay, thank you for that.
Again, I love it when patientsteach me something and help me
out, you know.
And so I took her to this fancyclinic in New York City, did
all this, you know, brainscanning, and da, da, da, da, da
.

(19:02):
And then when we had the review,the first thing that the
psychologist, psychiatrist saidto her was you have major
depression and generalizedanxiety disorder.
And I was furious, I was likethis was supposed to be a
holistic.
I mean, I spent tons of timeand money taking this because I
wanted the holistic view.
I wanted them to talk about herbehaviors and her thoughts and

(19:23):
her diet and all these kinds ofthings, and so now that's that's
.
And recently she had a physicaland you know, in teenagers now
they make them fill out thisform about your mental health,
basically.
And she marked things aboutbeing anxious and feeling sad
and and the doctor said, oh well, it looks like you know you
have some feelings of this.
And she said oh yes, I haveboth anxiety and depression.

(19:45):
And again I'm like my head likeno, please, like.
And I said to her afterwards Iwas like, I know that you feel
sad, sometimes, you feel anxious, but it's a feeling.
And I said I want you to knowthat you have the power to
create the life that you want.
You know, and of course, she'sa teen, she rolls her eyes and

(20:06):
but we've been doing some morelike emotional training with her
and I'm seeing it make a reallybig difference.
So now I'm really excited aboutthis tool that you have, that,
again, kids don't have much ofan attention span these days and
so, like you said, in threeminutes flat we can teach.
And I think it's so, soimportant that the teenagers

(20:27):
today, especially girls, theincrease in mental health, it's
astronomical and if we can helppeople, especially these young
kids, understand this at ayounger age, their adulthood is
going to be so much better.
You know, I'm always trying totell my patients this that we've
got to be our own best doctorand in today's day and age, like

(20:50):
we have the power to create thelives we want.
We just need to have the tools.
You know so many of us, andmyself too, for the first decade
of my eczema, I was looking forthe person or the thing, the
tool that was going to fix me.
When I had all the toolsalready within me and I think
that's the most powerful.
There are so many.
You know, health care isgetting out of control,

(21:11):
dentistry, too, with theexpenses it's costing so much
money.
So how can we you know, my lastinterview was all about breath
work all these great tools thatwe have within us to be able to
heal anything that's troublingus.
So I'm really excited.
I think this is an absolutelyyou know, amazing, amazing tool
for us to to help ourselves.

(21:34):
So thank you so much forbringing this to all of our
awareness.
I don't think enough peopleknow about this stuff.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Well, what's wonderful is that there's more
and more interest right now inemotional brain training.
In fact, it's going likelightning quick.
We had a donation of $500,000from a grateful patient who, by
using the method, they savedtheir marriage and they saved
their mental health and theirweight, and they gave us this

(22:05):
big gift which enabled us tomake EBT, for the first month,
$1.
And what we want is forchildren, adolescents, adults,
octogenarians to come and oncepeople experience it.
I was doing an interview on EBTand this woman who does a lot
of work for a major televisionprogram said Laurel, I don't

(22:29):
know what to do with EBT.
She says I've got my apps formindfulness, and I've got my
apps for mindfulness and I'vegot my apps for cognitive CBT,
but when I just spiraled upusing these tools, I'm tingling
all over my body.
I've never had that experiencebefore.
And what I want to say to youis that all the methods that we
have right now, other thanemotional brain training, are

(22:51):
not designed to rewire theemotional brain and to deal with
stress at these levels.
In the past and I'm just sayingnow as a medical professor up
until about 1980, cognitivecontrol that means mindfulness,
awareness, changing yourthoughts, making adaptations.
They were enough, based ondisease rates, and what happened

(23:13):
is right around 1980,everything, anything that's
sensitive to stress, which isalmost everything.
But you know, obesity, anxiety,depression all of the rates
started going up and now they'reoff the charts.
So this is a way of thinkingabout it Use all of these
methods.
There's nothing wrong withbreath work or whatever.
But the fact is we are in theage of the emotional brain.

(23:33):
If our emotional brain is instress, it takes the thinking
brain offline.
So all of the requirements, allof the methods that have us
thinking our way through it,being mindfully aware, choosing
to do those deep breaths,they're fine.
But if our thinking brain'soffline, it's not gonna do that.
It's gonna be ruminating,obsessing and whatever.

(23:54):
So we're now not in the age ofthe thinking brain.
That cognitive control isenough.
We've shifted now big time,starting about 15 years ago, but
now it's just completely offthe charts.
We're in the age of theemotional brain.
When you have a child, when youhave a loved one, when you have
someone who's having a hard timewith relationships,

(24:14):
relationships are also supersensitive to stress.
If you're in stress, you'regoing to have relationship
problems.
Your brain is going to distanceor merge.
You say to them sweetheart,we're in the age of the
emotional brain.
There are five levels of stressin the emotional brain.
Emotions are very different ateach of the five levels, so the
resiliency tool has to beadjusted to your stress level.

(24:36):
You know it's not resiliency orstress management is one size
fits all, but there are onlyfive different tools.
What you need is to shift fromsaying how do I feel or what's
wrong with me or what otherdiagnosis do I have, to saying
physiologically, if I'm not atone, I'm not at my best and if
I'm getting stuck down at three,four or five, I'm going to

(24:59):
develop one health problem oranother.
My spouse is going to look likea monster, I'm going to feel I
must be mentally ill, and reallyall mental illness and chronic
diseases are caused by stress,physiology, by being in a stress
state, because in stress eightmajor chemicals that control our
health and our weight areactivated, that make us

(25:19):
unhealthy.
So all you have to say is what'smy number and apply that tool
and then what happens is yourbiochemistry changes and you're
back to that state where thatstomach ache's gone or that bad
thought is gone.
So we're in the age of theemotional branding.
We want everyone to update howthey process stress.
And if we do that one thing asa nation, if we adopt embracing

(25:43):
the emotional brain there arefive levels of stress, five
tools, that's all there are Ifwe do that one thing, we will
turn around our mental healthcrisis, our chronic disease
crisis, our over-medicationcrisis.
That's what we'll do.
But if we don't go to the rootcause and deal with our stress,
you can't give someone enoughmedications to put them into joy
and to give them any truehealth safety.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
This is so phenomenal and I hope that part of the
reason I love doing this podcastis just creating this awareness
because, again, this simplething, five simple tools and,
like you said, we can change thewhole global phenomenon of this
, the stress and health decline,because it is growing like
leaps and bounds.
I mean it is as you said, it'scompletely overwhelming now and

(26:28):
there are not enough medicationsor procedures or whatnot to
create that.
If we you talked aboutrelationships, right, I mean the
divorce rates, over 50% in ourcountry and many developed, you
know, nations, and that is, youknow, we always want to blame
the other person, right, when,when things aren't going well.
But you know, I would get sofrustrated, even in my parenting

(26:52):
and my kids acting out and Iwas, I did you know a lot of
that therapy and was it reallyrealized?
Wow, they're just responding tomy stress, like we all.
We live in a world offrequencies and energies and
when I'm not at my best, how amI going to be at my best for my
kids or even my patients?
Like I noticed when I was goingthrough the whole COVID was

(27:13):
just crazy, you know, for us,our businesses were shut down,
everybody was going and Icouldn't show up.
You know we went through a lotof changes in the team, members
and everything.
I reflect back now and I say youknow I was so stressed I wasn't
at my best, I wasn't creatingas much of that family
connectedness that we all reallyneeded, right, and you know I

(27:34):
see that now at the time I wasjust, you know, probably in a
four or five all the time.
So that that did make have animpact on, you know, my team, on
my, my family.
What I've learned, I think thebest part about being as a
parent is how much I've learnedabout myself, because I don't
think I was that emotionallyaware, connected, that when I

(27:55):
was raising my kids from youngthing I wasn't.
I didn't know how to give themthat emotional support and
support that they really needed.
You know my daughter developingthese kinds of anxious feelings
as part of me, not knowing howto deal with that either.
So I'm just glad I am, I'vebecome aware of these things.
So the week I can, you know,try to help them and I keep

(28:16):
trying to tell them.
You know I'm trying to.
I said I know I don't always doit right, but you know I'm
trying to change the trajectoryhere.
So you're going to be an evenbetter mom, you know, because
you're going to be aware ofthese things and you're going to
know how to, you know, createthat joy.
So I think that's reallyexciting.
And again, when you the way youtalk about having this, maybe

(28:37):
talk to us a little bit aboutthis app.
Let's say I'm in a.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'll tell you my sob story.
Okay, yeah, my sob story isthat I started this when I'm 75.
I started it when I was 28 and,of course, I'm surrounded by
brilliant people because I'm atthe University of California,
san Francisco, and so I'mlearning about physiology, I'm
learning about physiology.
I'm learning about that.
There is no real psychologythat doesn't come from
physiology and all this kind ofstuff.
So, finally, in 2007, wediscovered that the method was

(29:07):
very popular.
I was on Oprah three times andI had two bestselling books and
what happened was, with all ofthat issue of so much popularity
of EBT, we had much more dataabout how to make this even more
effective and the stress levelswere off the roof.

(29:28):
Right around 2008, there was awhole bunch of problems with
stress and my mother was in thehospital and she was dying.
And at the same time, thatnight before, when she really
started going to the hospitaland I was aware that she was not
going to make it, I wasteaching medical students at the
University of California, sanFrancisco EBT.

(29:48):
My colleague and I, igorMitrovich, who's a professor of
physiology and a neuroscientistwere teaching it to the medical
school students and we weregiving a lecture on the reward
center in the brain.
And so the reward center in thebrain?
Because with EBT you get out ofstress.
And to reward, if you don'thave rewards in your life,
you're going to be stressed out.
So we're talking about this.

(30:08):
In the meantime, I'm in bedfour o'clock in the morning,
worried about my mother, thebackfield of my mind, thinking
about the reward system.
We had three levels of stress inthe method at that point and
all of a sudden I realized thatthe method was wrong, that there
was actually a level of stressthat was in stress overload that
you couldn't process withemotions.

(30:29):
You just needed to calm it downby saying do not judge,
minimize.
So there was another level atthe very bottom, and also my
mind was thinking about the factthat you have to be hugely
rewarded, which means joy andlove and compassion, and I
thought the method has to becompletely dissembled because
it's five levels of stress, notthree.

(30:50):
So I have three children bythat time and for me to change
my whole method, which was nowused all over the country, I was
very unpopular, but I knew thatthe most important thing is
when you're in stress overload,when you're traumatized.
If this method doesn't work fortrauma, which it does it
rewires trauma.
People add it onto their mentalhealth care and they really

(31:11):
change much faster.
And if the real idealphysiological state is joy and
you're not bringing people tojoy, you're out to lunch.
So at that point I stopped.
Everything, dismantled thewhole method.
It became now we're rewiringthe emotional brain because we
basically are tracking it andcodifying it and it became
emotional brain training.

(31:31):
So what happened was I was sohappy with the fact that we
finally got five skills and Iwant to mention that I had a
book contract at that point Iended up writing this book
called Wired for Joy, and Icouldn't write the book.
I was completely blockedbecause, it's sad to say, but I
couldn't get my mind about thefact that there was two
different kinds of circuits inthe brain A homeostatic circuit

(31:54):
that works well, that brings youto good chemistry, or an
allostatic circuit that getsstuck on, causes most problems
and is the root cause of all thebiochemical problems we're
seeing.
And so there's two kinds ofcircuits, there are five
different stress levels and mybrain went into stress and I
could not write that book.
And so my kids came to me andsaid maybe you're just too old

(32:17):
to write the book, maybe youjust need to stop.
So I did quit.
But the reason I'm telling youthis about the app is I was so
happy with the five-point systembecause it's a different skill
and it just works.
It went one to three minutesflat and then I realized that
people don't want to get intotheir feelings unless they feel
in control.
We had already done the studiesto show that 92% of the time

(32:41):
that the app works and we haveso many people who've come to us
and says it's so reliable All Ihave to do is reach for the app
.
But that doesn't speak to theneeds of the individual using it
, because some people want touse it for one minute and then
if they use it for one minutereally quickly just one skill

(33:02):
for one minute they are all donein one minute.
They can be in a difficultsocial encounter and they can go
into the bathroom and use it.
They can be at work again, gointo the bathroom and use it
Literally in one minute.
It changes you biochemically,so you're back in a connected,
and use it Literally in oneminute.
It changes you biochemically,so you're back in a connected
good state.
So we turned out there's threedifferent uses, so we changed
the app.
So all you have to decide iswhat you want to get out of

(33:25):
using it.
You can either do an instantboost and you just push on the
number one and it'll take youstraight through that and in 45
seconds to a minute and 15seconds you will be back to a
state of connection.
If you have two or threeminutes, you push on the number
two, and that's called quick andeasy.
It feels better to kind of feelyour feelings more a little bit

(33:45):
.
And also in that particularbutton, that spiral up button we
call it, you have all five ofthe tools and you might want to
use one of them.
Maybe you'll use the five tool,which is damage control, and
then you'll use the one tool,which is the compassion tool.
So you can, you've got.
You really have the brain rightin your hand right then,
because there are only fiveresiliency pathways, there are

(34:08):
only five tools.
So you've got it knocked rightthere.
However, there's a third optionand that's called deep work.
Keep in mind that,physiologically, everything's
about resilience.
If you can get out of three,four and five, two, one in the
moment, biochemically and interms of emotions, thoughts,
behaviors.
You won't be anxious, you won'tbe depressed, you'll feel great

(34:29):
.
That's self-regulation, right.
But the fact is that there arealso circuits at the bottom of
your brain that have beenencoded during trauma, during
times of difficulty, duringtimes where you're so overloaded
that the brain wants toover-remember that response.
So all of our addictions areessentially these survival

(34:51):
circuits that you can push on.
Number three, and it's calleddeep work, and it takes you into
the deeper parts of your brainusing the same exact skills.
It's all about resilience, andyou can't be resilient when
you're in stress unless you knowhow to dismantle those stuck
emotions, which EBT does andspirals you up.
And just to be clear on this,this method is the new

(35:14):
psychotherapy Because when youuse it for self-regulation,
you're preventing a survivalcircuit from being encoded.
That's going to cause you aproblem.
And secondly, if you want todismantle that survival circuit,
the method is actually used.
It's a method that's beendeveloped over time so you can
actually use this as a course.
It's a one-year course todismantle all the past that

(35:36):
you've had, one by one.
Just take on those circuits offear, memories and different
unreasonable expectations likeI'm not worthy or I have no
power.
All of that's in the emotionalbrain, and the emotional brain
is really plastic.
All we have to do is dismantleit.
So the deep work really issatisfying, because when you use

(35:57):
it and rewire a circuit, it'sgone.
For example, when someone has afood circuit like I had a food
circuit, and our big emphasisnow is on anxiety, depression,
trauma and, of course, food.
Because right now people aregoing out buying all these
weight loss drugs, and it's sosad because what happens is the

(36:17):
reason that we have this problemis that when you're in stress,
the stress chemicals cause eight.
Pardon me, the stress responsecauses eight chemicals and you
know them by name.
They're cortisol, dopamine,insulin, GLP-1, the one that's
used in those weight loss drugsPYY, serotonin, leptin and

(36:42):
ghrelin.
Those eight chemicals startshooting through your brain and
body and you're going to behungry, you're going to overeat
or you're going to put all ofyour effort into not doing so.
Unfortunately, that is thenatural way.
The natural way to stopovereating is to use EBT.
It's evidence-based.
It's the only method that'scaused lasting weight loss.

(37:02):
You know those drugs cannot dothat unless you stay on the
drugs, and so the issue is ifyou do it the natural way and
switch off the stress responsethat makes us overeat and retain
extra weight, you can have alasting change in your life and
your relationship with food.
You're not going to whiteknuckle it or be dependent upon
medication.
If you go for the weight lossdrugs, you're going to get one

(37:25):
chemical that's GLP-1.
That's one out of eight Notreally good, and so you will
have side effects and dependency.
And the worst part is you'remissing the opportunity to train
your brain to do this naturally.
So you don't need the drugs andso you have lasting peace
inside about food and weight.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
So that I mean that's amazing because, yes, this
whole thing about Ozempic isgoing out of control here and
and a lot of these people whowant to do this, you know they
really, really want to loseweight and they feel like
they've tried everything.
But this is the important thingto know.
You know we've got to get outof that victimhood and know that
this is the key the emotional,the brain training.

(38:06):
I like what you said, like alot of the overweight has to do
with a mother, father, childtype of relationship.
So, you know, maybe people havebeen in therapy forever and
they've been talking about that,but that doesn't change the
circuit, right, and so and I, Isee this, I 100%, you know,
believe this, I think people,you know my husband has

(38:27):
struggled with a little bit ofweight issues and you know he
tries to do everything rightwith the exercising and he
doesn't overeat and it's sofrustrating to him and I was
like, okay, you know there isthis component to it.
Does it also work for people,let's say, who under eat, right,
who have an eating disorder,that they're it's kind of the
other spectrum, but it could bethe same kind of brain chemicals

(38:49):
too, right, the anorexia?

Speaker 2 (38:50):
and bulimia, no-transcript, if you are not

(39:22):
securely connected to thedeepest part of yourself,
processing your emotionseffectively, so that you're in
stress.
And some people don't even knowthey're in stress.
Because there's three differentstress styles.
Some people like me.
I go low, I get either anxiousor depressed.
I know that there's somethingwrong with me at that moment and
that the state I'm in.
But the other two styles, it'sreally blind.
In other words, the other styleis to go numb, just to

(39:44):
essentially be on autopilot andhave no feelings.
If you have no feelings, you'renot going to know whether
you're hungry or not hungry orwhatever, because you have to
have the feelings from your bodythat give you those messages.
Or, on a false high, whereyou're detached from your stress
, everything is fine, eventhough it's really not.
Essentially, if it's all aboutthis stress response and these

(40:06):
wires, it doesn't matter whetheryou're overeating or
undereating, whether you'reanxious or depressed, whatever
that is.
When you're not in that stateof joy, what happens
biochemically is you developproblems.
So, yes, I started teachingdisordered eating.
I treated a lot of bulimics andanorexics.
It's so sad, and the sameskills work for them.

(40:29):
But the one thing you mentionedabout relationships is
particularly important to mebecause, you know, I've been
through divorce.
I'm now married.
I've been married to my husband, for you know I've been through
divorce.
I'm now married.
I've been married to my husbandfor you know with him for about
11 years.
I have three children from thathave gone through divorce.
He has two children.
We have five together.
We are delightfully happy.
And what I do know is that thatin relationships, whenever

(40:53):
you're having a difficulty witha relationship, assume that the
problem is stress.
We have a program for couplesand assume the problem is stress
because think of it this way wehave five different levels of
stress.
As I mentioned, there's fivedifferent tools to clear that
stress, but this is the keythere's also five different sets

(41:14):
of memories.
So think of the brain asessentially a file cabinet and
you have five drawers in yourbrain and when you are at brain
state five, every rotten thingyou've ever done, every time
you've merged and distance andpeople pleased and judge and all
that.
Those circuits are right thereand that's who.

(41:35):
That's really who you are.
And then as you go up, all of asudden you're at three, you're
the pretty nice person and thenat one you're just the most
loving human being on earth.
Okay, so what people don't know,unfortunately, is that the
issue is when you have arelationship, assume that on the
day you committed to each other, on the day you fell in love,
there was something beautifulgoing on there, or you wouldn't

(41:57):
have done this.
And then what happened is,every time you interacted with
each other when you weren't atbrain state one, but you're down
there at five, they'recontagious.
Those states are contagious, soyou bring out the fifth drawer
of the other person's brains.
You're in the fifth drawer,you're your worst self, not your
best self, and what happens iswhat the brain does is, if

(42:18):
you're at five, you're going tobring out the five state in the
other person and then you have amess, right.
So what?
Even basic EBT we want anyonein a relationship Go to EBTorg,
get the basic tools down, andthat's what saved my marriage.
I mean, I'm sure I fell in lovewith this man.
He was wonderful and ourrelationship, through the

(42:39):
adversity, through all thethings that have gone on, you
know, like in anybody's life, welove each other more, and one
of the reasons is I know basicEBT two things.
I know that if I'm in brainstate five, I'm going to say hey
, sweetheart, I can't talk now.
It's not because I think you'rethe worst person on earth or
that I'm the worst person onearth, I'm just at brain state
five.

(42:59):
So essentially you can commute.
You know, people don't want totalk about their feelings.
You don't have to always talkabout your feelings, just say
your number and so they get toknow what's going on with you.
Secondly, with the people whereyou have a committed
relationship, get them into EBTso that when you you are feeling
bad, what happens is you say Isaid to him would you listen to

(43:26):
me?
Spiral up.
We have a rule it takes fiveminutes.
He would rather listen to me,do EBT.
Because when we do a lot ofthis work in groups, because
it's much more effective whensomeone's listening to you.
So he sits down, he listens tome for five minutes and I turned
in.
Sometimes it takes 10, you know, sometimes I'm really down
there and it goes, goes to joy,and all of a sudden I'm happy,
I'm loving toward him, I'maffectionate toward him, I'm a
happy person.
Otherwise he's going to have tolisten to me for 30 minutes, go

(43:47):
on and on and on.
So any couple get ABT and whatwill happen is you'll find this
beautiful other person comes out.
And one other thing is, if yourpartner will not do that with
you, or if you have somethingdifficult, like adolescent
children in the family and theyare resistant to doing EBT

(44:08):
because they're not going to doanything you want them to do,
what you do is you get EBTyourself and you get to brain
state one.
Now, this is what's so powerful.
In fact, we have a director ofrelational health, bill Morey,
and he just did a series, and ifyou have a mental health
professional, be sure to askthem if they're EBT certified.

(44:30):
We make certification very easyfor people.
They've got to do the personalwork.
They can't just do it, teachother people, they've got to
learn it.
We make it very accessible.
We want all healthprofessionals, particularly
mental health professionals, tobe to be certified in EBT.
But what?
What he says is you know, allyou have to do is you as an
individual, because really themost important relationship we

(44:53):
have is to ourselves, to ouremotional and spiritual core.
We're accountable, to thedeepest part of ourselves for
how we live our lives.
And so when you're in asituation that feels out of
control, maybe it's addiction,maybe it's a relationship
situation.
Like I say, I remember when mydaughter was in 14, 15, I
thought I wasn't going to makeit through it and I had three

(45:14):
kids.
I was a single parent at thetime.
So what you want to do is youget EBT, you stay at one, and
this is the deal when you stayat one, even when they're at
five, the old pattern is gone,because the old pattern was a
dance.
They were able to get you downto that five.

(45:34):
And when you're at one, all ofa sudden, without any effort,
that one state is so powerfulthat in fact, what will happen
is she'll say what's wrong withyou, mom, or their game is over.
So the ultimate control we havethrough other people to change

(45:55):
them is for us to get into EBT,learn the tools and actually
stay with it until the set pointof your brain is at one, not
just your momentary state, butthe habit of your brain is in
one, and that relationship willchange.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
I completely attest to that and I 100% agree because
I know a lot of the time thatthere's resistance is because
you know I'm walking into herroom already annoyed, right,
that her room is a mess and alllike, and you know I'm walking
into her room already annoyed,right, that her room is a mess
and all like, and you know shefeels that.
So like she's instantly, youknow, on on the defense, whereas
when I'm coming, like we had awonderful conversation the other

(46:31):
day, we were alone together andI was feeling really great and
really happy and we had, andlike she really was listening
and intent to what I was sayingand agree, and so I, that's a
hundred percent when you're notcoming in all defensive and I
have to catch myself.
Sometimes I come in after along day at work and I come home
and house they've been home allafternoon, the house is a mess,
the dog hasn't been fed, and Ihave to, like, bring my level

(46:54):
down, right, because if I go inthere and start screaming, then
you know instantly we're already, we're all already at the three
or four, right.
So, but it's true, those, thosebreakthrough moments when I
have with my kid is is when I amin that one state.
And so I think and I knew, youknow, and other therapists have
told me, like we can't treatyour daughter unless you treat

(47:16):
yourself first.
And I'm like it makes perfectsense, right, because I'm the
one who's around them all thetime.
And if my you know, my stressis high, then everybody's stress
is really high.
So you know, has to kind ofcome from the beginning.
I also just want to go back alittle bit.
I really love what you saidabout the stress styles and I
think this is important becausesome of us, you know, we're just

(47:39):
so used to being in a level ofstress all the time.
We don't think of it as beingstressed, you know, and I think
I'm kind of like you where Iwill start to feel low and I
kind of know something isn'tright.
But then other times I think,sometimes I can just go numb
where I'm like I'm just I'm notgoing to feel anything, just so
I can, you know, make it throughthe day.

(47:59):
Or, yes, that false high whereeverything, you have this
outward appearance andeverything is fine.
So it may be just that questionof am I feeling joy?
Like.
So how do you know how stressedyou are?
Am I feeling joy?
Am I at the place that I wantto be?
And I think, as we know if not100% of us are in some kind of

(48:22):
stress just because of the worldwe live in right now that this
is a tool for every human being,from age zero to, like you said
, 106.
Because it's not possible forus to feel joy all the time.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Let me clarify that that's a very important point.
Number one first, you'restraight on Now that we have EBT
.
Before EBT, you couldn't get tojoy because you have to work
through your feelings andthoughts and whatever.
Now that we have a prestomethod of doing it, we can say
wake up in the morning, what amI doing with my day?

(48:57):
I'm creating joy in my life,and if I do that, everything
else is going to go fine.
But you don't want to be superglued at one, and let me tell
you why.
You want a brain that'sflexible and resilient, and so
what you want to do is be ableto go in all brain states.
Now, the major problem, as youwell know, with mental health
and physical health is chronicstress.

(49:19):
When we're chronically stressed, when our set point is at three
, four or five, we're in bigtrouble.
Okay.
So what we want to do is have abrain that is emotionally fluid
.
Instead of being stuck instress, we can go down in stress
and it goes, bounces right back.
It bounces right back.
Now, in order to have that kindof a brain, you've got to use

(49:41):
EBT over time until theresiliency pathways instead of
being little tiny, you knowlittle trails, they're super
highways, which is fine andthat's part of it.
But it's variable, because someof us have more trauma than
others, some of us havesensitive temperaments, some of
us have unusually stressfulenvironments and what happens is

(50:03):
, if that's the case, we'regoing to have more of those
circuits that cause us to getreally stressed and stuck in
stress at the bottom of ourbrain.
So it means that we want to beable to go in all five brain
states in any given day.
A day not at five a little bitis probably a wasted day.
You're probably not reallytrying hard.
You know, if you're out in theworld trying to make the world a

(50:25):
better place, you're gonna comeup against stress.
And if you come up againststress and you have EBT, you're
in great shape.
Because this is what's soamazing Even a brain scan, even
an fMRI, cannot tell you why.
What circuit made you getticked off at someone or made
you feel overwhelmed or out ofcontrol, or made you overeat or

(50:47):
overdrink or whatever it is.
But EBT can, your brain can doit.
And what happens is, let's saythat I go out and then I decide
I'm just sort of stressed orwhatever, I don't do anything
about it, and all of a sudden Isee that I really need ice cream
, okay, or I really need candyor something.
And I say to myself holy moly,that is a circuit in my brain

(51:09):
because I'm EBT trained, I knowneurophysiology.
And so I say I'm going to reachfor my app and I'm going to
actually use one of the tools tocomplain.
I'll say something likesituation is I really want that
ice cream, or it could be.
I'm really ticked at thisperson.
Whatever it is, it doesn'tmatter, it's just a circuit.

(51:32):
And then I express anger,sadness, fear and guilt.
And this is the beauty of it.
In my unconscious mind, thereis an unreasonable expectation,
like I get my survival fromjudging people, or I get my
safety from overeating, or I getmy love from drinking too much,
or I get my security fromalways being perfect all the
time.
Whatever that terrible messageis, these are called survival
circuits.
In that moment that I'mactually experiencing it, or

(51:53):
later, when I bring up thethought of it and use the tools,
the exact message from theunconscious mind will bubble up
into my conscious mind and I'llhave a revelation.
I'll say my gosh, the drive isthat I get my love from sugar.
My gosh.
First of all, it feels reallygood to know yourself.
But, more important, in orderto change a circuit, you have to

(52:14):
know exactly what that circuitsays and then hit it with the
opposite one while the circuitis unlocked, which means when
you're in stress.
So if you don't really know, ifyou have an insight as to why
you eat, that's useless, becausethat's in your thinking brain.
By using EBT in that moment,not only will you not want the
ice cream, but you'll find outwho you really are, what that
message is.
So you know why you're doing itand the circuit that's causing

(52:37):
it is unlocked.
The neurons, the synapticconnections between the neurons,
are fluid and if, in thatmoment, you use EBT, you will
weaken that circuit.
So next time the drive won't beso hard and over time you will
erase the circuit and you won'teven care about the extra ice
cream.
That's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
I love what you talk about resilient.
The goal is not to be in oneall the time.
It's just like we talk aboutheart rate variability, right,
and the immune system.
You know, it's not about neverbeing sick, it's about when we
get sick, we're able to bounceback relatively quickly, and so
same thing with the brain.
This is not about being happyall the time, and just.
You know they talk about thattoxic positivity, right, just

(53:18):
talk your way out of it.
If you just think yourselfhappy, you know it works.
So that's an important point tounderstand that we're still,
even if we're well-trained, likeyou said, you've been doing
this for how many decades?
And you know you can still hit afive, and that's okay because
you know how to bring yourselfback up to one.
So that's what's fascinatingand, like you said, as we
continue to practice.
So this is something I imaginethat we're using on a daily

(53:39):
basis, right?
Especially when we're new to it.
I can't wait to go download and, you know, be using this all
the time so that we can createthat resiliency, because you
know I feel like I've done, youknow, a lot of work, but I know,
you know, my husband was stillstruggling and I said well, you
know, let's do some of thisother emotional work.
And he's like you know, I'vedone emotional work and I'm like

(54:01):
no, no, no, it's like itdoesn't count that if you did it
five, 10 years ago, likethere's still.
We're still living in thisworld, and so it's something
that is a continual practice.
You know, just like we'rebreathing until we go to our
next you know thing, and sowe're constantly having to train
that brain until the end right.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Well, actually what we do is we have a one-year
program where you don't have to.
In other words, it's a job justlike mowing the grass If
there's grass out there thatneeds mowing, you've got to take
the lawnmower out.
Well, everybody's got somecircuits down there in the
bottom of their brain that theyneed to train, and so it's a
one-year program.
You come in and the first thingyou do is every single day

(54:46):
because the brain changes somuch faster when you're with
other people every single day,as part of their membership,
there's a half-hour programwhere there's a dedicated EBT
certified provider there to showyou how to get started with the
method so that you really getsupport.
So being around other peopledoing it is and you just call in
.
But once you get used tospiraling up and you say I can
create joy, your interest isgoing to change and you're going
to want more.
You're going to want to do thedeep work because it's more fun.

(55:09):
You get a better pop to joywhen you get that circuit.
And so everybody has four majorcircuits in the bottom of their
brain, usually a mood they getstuck in, a relationship pattern
, a habit they get stuck in.
Or sometimes people have workcircuits and sometimes people
have body judgments, buteveryone has four major circuits
.
Now what you do is you decidewhat circuits you want to rewire

(55:32):
.
You pick four big ones,whatever bothers you, it works
the same for everyone.
What happens is you replace acircuit that's taking you into
stress overload and thosebiochemicals that are dangerous,
you not only turn it off, butwhen you rewire it and what
happens is you replace a circuitthat's taking you into stress
overload and those biochemicalsthat are dangerous, you not only
turn it off, but when yourewire it you activate positive
chemicals.
So you get rid of the negative,you get to the positive.
And it's almost miraculousbecause, like, for example, a

(55:55):
woman in my telegroup, we dotelephone groups so that we
people, their results, are muchbetter when you do it with other
people.
So telegroups, and she rewiredher food circuit and she comes
in and she says I can't evenremember having a drive to
overeat or why I was so upsetabout food.
I mean, it's just not an issuebecause the circuit has been
erased, okay.

(56:16):
Secondly, other common withrelationships people are just
being mad in love with someone,or that is really not healthy
for them, or someone rejectsthem and they can never get over
it.
They rewire their relationshipcircuit.
What happens is what did I evensee in that person?
So our goal is not that you dothis the rest of your life.
Our goal is to take one yearFirst.

(56:37):
Come in and just try it, see howmuch you love it.
You will love it, you'll besurprised, and then have the fun
of rewiring four major circuits.
It actually raises your setpoint because now you're getting
all those good chemicals.
You finish it off by trainingyour brain for the seven higher
rewards of life, which aresanctuary, authenticity,
vibrancy, integrity, intimacy,spiritual and freedom.

(56:58):
When we have all those rewards,you have this big circuit
around, this big glow around youof you're here for purpose and
what happens is life goes very,very well.
So you get in and you actuallyraise your set point until
you're wired for joy, and thenthat new set point is so
powerful that whatever comesyour way and stuff will come
your way that you spiral back upagain.

(57:20):
And that's what we want.
We want a true solution basedon the emotional brain circuitry
.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Just so exciting.
As we're wrapping up, let'stell us a little bit more how we
get this with the website andthe app and all this good stuff.
You talked about that $1 amonth, so tell us how we can get
started right away.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
So you go to ebtorg.
It's the same as food stamps,except it's
emotionalbraintrainingorg $1 andyou get the app and all the
support.
We're kind of a nonprofitorganization in a way, because
we came out of academia.
We don't sell anything.
That doesn't work.
If you get the app and youdon't learn how to use it, and

(58:00):
you don't learn how to use itwith other people, you will miss
your opportunity to reallytransform your life.
So the app is not availableexcept through ebtorg, our
website, and you go there andyou get full service, you get
drop-in groups, you get the app,you get all the videos.
If you like to do it alone, youcan do it with the videos alone

(58:26):
, but you learn exactly how totake charge of the most
important organ you have, whichis the emotional brain, because
the circuits in the emotionalbrain determine everything
important in life.
There's also we really have abig movement on because all
these people are taking thesedrugs and it's expensive and
there's problems with them.
But also you don't get to theroot cause.
So you never get that freedomfrom the drive to overeat.
So we have a new book outcalled One, two, three, joy.

(58:47):
It's on Amazon.
It tells you exactly how to useEPT.
It goes into a lot of thescience too, and we have a new
book that'll be out this fallwhich is called Three Minutes
Flat, because you can changeyour circuits to change your
life in any time, anywhere, inthree minutes flat.
But you don't need that bookbecause when you go to ebtorg,

(59:08):
everything you need to changethe circuit and change your life
in three minutes flat is rightthere for you.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Awesome.
I don't know about you guys,but as soon as I'm done with the
interview I'm hooking up on thewebsite and I'm checking that
out because I love this idea andyou guys, but as soon as I'm
done with the interview I'mhooking up on the website and
I'm I'm checking that out CauseI love this idea and you know
the whole point of this podcast,right?
We call it the root of thematter because we're trying to
get at the root cause of alldisease and again, we see stress
across the board.
Whether you manifest it inother body parts or in your
mouth, it's, you know, all stemsfrom kind of the same thing.

(59:38):
So when we get all the way atthat root of that emotional
brain, we focus too much on thethinking brain and really that
emotional brain is really whatis controlling so much of our
unconscious habits and thoughts.
Thank you so much.
This has been a very excitinginterview and I'm super excited
for everybody listening.
So please share this witheverybody, go to the website,

(01:00:00):
check out the books and let'sget us all thinking and feeling
joy.
Thank you so much, laura.
Everybody, have a wonderful dayand we'll see you on the next
episode.