Unlocking the Secrets of Copper: A Journey to Reclaiming Health With Morley Robbins

Imagine discovering that a century of nutritional advice has been leading us astray, and that the true root of chronic disease might be hiding in plain sight. That's exactly what happened when I sat down with Morley Robbins, creator of the Root Cause Protocol and author of "Cure Your Fatigue."

Robbins's journey from hospital administrator to health researcher began with a personal health crisis, frozen shoulder, that conventional medicine couldn't solve. This led him to question everything he thought he knew about human physiology. What he uncovered was shocking: copper, not iron, is our body's "innate healer," yet medical training has systematically ignored its critical importance while promoting excessive iron supplementation.

The conversation takes us deep into the intricate dance between minerals in our body, specifically how copper regulates both iron and oxygen metabolism. When copper becomes deficient, iron accumulates in tissues, creating oxidative stress (essentially rust) that damages mitochondria and depletes our energy production. This mineral dysregulation manifests as fatigue, inflammation, dental decay, and vulnerability to infections.

Perhaps most eye-opening is Robbins's explanation of how our food supply has been systematically depleted of copper since World War I, when NPK fertilizers began blocking copper uptake in plants. The situation has worsened dramatically with the introduction of glyphosate (Roundup), which Robbins explains chelates copper from soil at rates a billion times faster than calcium, a staggering difference that has decimated the nutritional content of our food.

Robbins challenges conventional wisdom on several fronts, including vitamin D supplementation (which he argues can drive iron deeper into tissues) and standard interpretations of blood work. When examining my own lab results, he pointed out how low ferritin levels might indicate parasitic infection rather than true iron deficiency, and how the copper-iron relationship tells a much deeper story than conventional markers.

If you've been struggling with unexplained fatigue, inflammation, or health issues that don't respond to conventional approaches, this conversation could be transformative. Discover why the "battery" of your body might be running low, and how restoring proper mineral balance could be the key to reclaiming your health and energy.

Ready to learn more? Visit https://therootcauseprotocol.com/ or explore Morley's book "Cure Your Fatigue" to dive deeper into this paradigm-shifting approach to health.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, welcome back to another episode
of the Root of the Matter.
I am your host, dr RachelCarver, and I am very excited to
introduce you guys to somebodyI've really been looking up to.
I've read all his books.
One of my hygienists is doinghis entire Root Codes Protocol
program and we hope toincorporate that into our
practice at home.

(00:20):
So very excited.
This is Morley Robbins and Iwould love for you to tell us.
You have a really interestingjourney in how you got into kind
of nutrition right.
You're not a.
You started in more of aconventional field, correct?
Tell us your story.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm delighted to be here.
Thank you for the opportunity.
Yeah, I'm a I affectionatelyrefer to myself as a pre-med
retread and I grew up in a verysickly family.
My mom was an alcoholic and hadall sorts of heart issues.
My dad was manic, depressive,with schizophrenia.
My older sister chose to becomea nurse.

(01:01):
So I was supposed to become adoctor Until I got to college
and found out oh my gosh, thisis really.
This is a lot of work.
So medical schools had adifferent opinion about my
capacity.
So if you're not going to be adoctor, you go into management
and run hospitals, which is whatI did.
Went to business school.

(01:22):
There's a very differentphilosophy in business school
than in medical school.
Maybe you know this from yourdental training as well.
What seems to run clinicaleducation is not known because
not looked for Very interestingway to describe it.
It's a very scripted set ofthings that practitioners look

(01:45):
for.
But in business school, verydifferent philosophy.
What gets measured gets managed.
So we focus on revenue andexpense and profit for a reason,
and I've carried thatphilosophy over into my work in
nutrition and healing.
But I did hospital managementfor 12 years, then became a

(02:12):
consultant for 20 years solvingthe problems of hospital
organizations.
I was pretty good at helpingthem grow.
Now I can close pretty quicklywith what I know.
But for 20 years I was pulling asuitcase behind my back and I
developed frozen shoulder.
I couldn't pick my hand upabove my waist and went to a

(02:36):
health food store that Ifrequented in Chicago.
I was told to go see Dr Litz.
And you know what, mate, Idon't do witchcraft.
You must have something you cansell me.
And so they sold me someself-admissed, which did no good
.
A couple months later I wentback.
I was still in so much pain Iwasn't sleeping, and the owner

(02:59):
happened to be there that day,lynn Bednar, wonderful
practitioner, in a roadway.
And she looked me in the eyesand said that day, lynn Bednar,
wonderful practitioner in herown way.
And she looked me in the eyesand said Maura, we love you, go
see Dr Liz.
So, with my tail between mylegs, I went to see Dr Liz, who
is a network chiropractor, andshe actually healed my frozen

(03:20):
shoulder by going in andreleasing the tension in the
pterygoid muscle inside my mouth, which was arguably one of the
most painful experiences I'dever had.
But as she pressed harder andharder, my aura went up and it
was amazing.
But what really started thiswhole process was when we talked

(03:43):
after that treatment and I hadfull emotion in my shoulder
joint for the first time inabout six months.
I said I was just reallyimpressed and she made a
reference to being an innatehealer.
I'd never heard that phrase in32 years of working in hospitals
the healer within.

(04:03):
And I thought to myself ifthere's a healer within, why do
we have millions of doctorsaround?
Why do we need that?
It didn't make sense to me, soI set out to discover who the
innate healer is, and of courseI would have looked about it,
and that's what Curing yourFatigue is all about.
Copper is the innate healer.

(04:23):
At least I would go on recordas that's my spin and people
have a.
Actually, I would say that myeight grandchildren have a
better understanding of coppermetabolism than all of the
practitioners in the worldcombined, and that's a rather

(04:44):
condemning thing to say.
But I mean, I'm absolutelyembarrassed by the I call it
pharaoh arrogance and cuproignorance.
The speed with whichpractitioners will recommend and
prescribe iron at the drop of ahand and prescribed iron at the

(05:04):
drop of a hat.
And the failure, the absolutefailure across the board, all
disciplines.
Doesn't matter what thetraining is, this collective
conviction that copper is toxicand what I happen to find.
Every day is a new discovery,as you probably know, and I
always have a latest andgreatest article.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
But today's article is about… Copper homeostasis
Love it.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Implants, implants.
One of my dear friends isMartha Carlin, and she is to the
microbiome what I am to themitochondria.
She'd be a great guest for youto have on the show.
But she said we're not thatdifferent than plants, and she's
right but the layers and layersand layers and layers of
protection in the plant to guardagainst any kind of toxicity.

(06:05):
And yet, as humans, I think wemay be a little bit more evolved
than plants, a touch more, butwe're helpless, defenseless and
ignorant about how to work withour copper.
And I deal with that not aloneas you all.
And so that's the world ofinsanity that we find ourselves

(06:26):
in.
Is this just total disregardfor the fact that there is an
energy, that there is thisnatural network of solutions in
our body?
And what people don't know isthat the food that we've been
eating for the last century isso bankrupt, so corrupt, so
empty.
No one even questions it.

(06:47):
That's where, as you well know,that's where the problem began
was change in the food systemand farming, and then everything
else cascaded from that.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
It's so true.
I did a solo podcast all aboutnutrition and I talk about it
all the time and it's sobaffling and depressing actually
to see it's basically just beenone generation where we have.
It's been going on for a while,right, but to see the complete
bankruptcy from from mychildhood to my children's

(07:22):
childhood, it was still notgreat when I was growing up, but
now it is.
There is just there's.
People are eating so much foodand getting the zero nutrition
and so is it a wonder thatthere's so much disease,
especially in the kids' day.
It's so sad for me.
My husband and I would say well,we walk around Disney World.
We take our kids there everyyear.

(07:42):
It's been a tradition.
And walking around it's likehow many healthy people do you
see walking around?
10%, and maybe they're.
Just wait, you can still beskinny and still have metabolic
dysfunction too.
So I think 95% of us havemetabolic dysfunction, and even

(08:04):
those of us who are aware it'sjust challenging, right, with
all the toxins in theenvironment.
But that's the other problem iswhen you go to the doctor and
they run lab work, it's junkMost of the time.
Everything's fine and you feelterrible and they just write you
off because they don't knowthey're not measuring like you
just said.

(08:24):
I love that comment.
They're not measuring theproper things.
For my patients.
I say I wish every year peoplehad a tox screen test and like
an organic acids test let's seehow your body's actually doing
things.
I just ran one on a patient.
She's been with the chronicfatigue and all of a sudden her
mouth just rip, roaring withdecay.

(08:46):
She's been a patient for 15years.
She's had some issues but likeall of a sudden just everywhere,
and I said we really will youdo this test because it's not
cheap, right, it's not coveredby, but sure enough, like loaded
with infection.
And I am 100 convinced thedecay, especially widespread
decay, not just the one cavityhere and there, is all related

(09:08):
to gut infection and the mineralimbalance.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, and the part that most people don't know and
most practitioners don't know isall of those pathogens are
living on iron.
They're not coming from Mars.
Everyone worries about theirgut microbiome.

(09:33):
Let's talk about how much ironis down there.
It's not being properlyrecycled, brought into the
broader recycling system of thebody.
Nobody knows about it.
Nobody knows that there is amitochondrial recycling system
of the body.
Nobody knows about.
Nobody knows that there is amitochondrial recycling system,
a cellular recycling system anda system-wide recycling system.

(09:56):
And guess who runs all three ofthem?
Copper, and no one knows thatby design.
And so if you don't know aboutthat, if you don't know that
there is in fact a recyclingsystem, and if you don't recycle
the iron, your energyproduction is going to go down
because the iron is going tobuild in the mitochondria.

(10:18):
And as soon as the iron startsto rise in the mitochondria,
what do you get?
It's called oxidative stress.
It's a very lofty term for rust.
And what's happening to theoxygen?
It's no longer O2.
It's becoming superoxide, whichis oxygen with an attitude, or
hydrogen peroxide, or thehydroxyl radical, which is just

(10:41):
a very destructive molecule.
And then you have all sorts ofproblems inside the mitochondria
and inside the cell.
And the part that people don'tunderstand.
Everyone loves to talk aboutmitochondrial dysfunction.
That's the rage, the Calleybrother and sister oh,

(11:02):
everyone's got mitochondrialdysfunction right.
But no one can say what is thisexactly?
Well, within the RUTOS protocol, we know exactly what it is,
and what I was sharing with theclass last night is an article I
read earlier this week, andthey actually identified the
three most critical breakdownsinside the mitochondria that

(11:26):
cause mitochondrial dysfunction.
And we need to make what arecalled iron-sulfur clusters.
They're insanely important forthe complexes that run the
mitochondria and you can't makethose iron-sulfur clusters
without copper.
Ding, ding, ding.
The second breakdown is hemesynthesis.

(11:48):
So we've been chatting now forabout 15, 20 minutes Every
second of every day.
Every second we have to turnover 2.5 million red blood cells
and there's a lot of hemeinside one red blood cell, much

(12:09):
less two and a half million.
And who's making the heme?
Oh yeah, there's eight enzymesinside the mitochondria and four
of them are found inside themitochondria and four of them
outside the mitochondria.
But the ones that are insidethe mitochondria got to outside
of the mitochondria, but theones that are inside the
mitochondria got to have abattery called copper.
And then the third breakdown isif we've got extra iron inside

(12:35):
the mitochondria, we got to putit in a storage locker and it's
called mitoferrin, not ferritin.
It's mitoferrin, but it is aform, not ferritin.
It's mitoferrin but it is aform of ferritin, but it comes
in two flavors there's heavychain and light chain.

(12:55):
Heavy chain means you've got tohave copper to make it work.
Light chain don't need copper.
Light chain don't need copper.
The storage locker inside themitochondria, inside the nucleus
, inside the heart, inside thekidney, must have copper.

(13:16):
And I think that'd be a reallycool thing for doctors to know
that this storage locker insidethe mitochondria must have
copper in order to open andclose properly.
And so if those three thingsaren't working, you will have
mitochondrial dysfunction.
And what does that lead to?
Aging.
It is all this tholmen aboutlongevity and aging.

(13:41):
It's all related to iron.
About longevity and aging.
It's all related to iron.
You know all these infectionsand inflammation that people
worry about, it's iron, iron,iron, iron.
And if the iron's not beingregulated by copper, it's not
going to work.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, and you talked about these reactive oxygen
species, and what I'vediscovered in my research is
that those ROSs directly impactthe parotid hormone, which is
responsible for moving fluidthrough the teeth, and so
normally it will bring mineralsup to the surface.
Right, because our teethmineralize and demineralize all
day, every day.
Enamel is not static and everytooth is its own organ, right,

(14:21):
but when that reactive oxygenspecies are very predominant,
the prionic hormone reversesflow.
So now it's pulled the mineralsfrom the enamel surface in
order to try because, like yousaid, we need copper, we need
all of our minerals to try tobalance out the acidity that
happens in the gut.
Right, minerals are so vital toevery function in the body and

(14:42):
if we're not getting in our dietor we're not absorbing them for
a multitude of reasons, right,we have to get from somewhere.
So we're getting them from theteats and our bones right.
So that's again where that wholeidea I'm not all about brushing
and flossing and fluoride, thatis not the key to oral health
that may help.
Right, we don't want to haveplaque buildup, but the deeper

(15:02):
down we have to think aboutwhat's happening in the gut.
When we have too much iron, wehave too much reactive oxygen
species, we're going to getbreakdown of the teeth.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
So when you're talking about the parotid.
There's a hormone.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
There's a hormone that helps fluid move in and out
of the teeth.
The way it reverses the flowright, because ideally it should
bring nutrients up to the teethand keep them healthy.
But when we have lots ofinflammation, that fluid flow
now pulls into circulation,leaves the enamel less
mineralized so it's thinner.

(15:35):
This is why people tend to getcavities more quickly,
especially if it's a gut issue.
They'll get all the cavities ofthe gum line where the enamel
is very, very thin.
So there's fewer minerals.
There there's more opportunityto break down that area where
the normal bugs and stuff andacidity that's in the mouth.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
So again, all tying in no it's beautiful, I love it,
so let's go up to them.
So what's the correlationbetween the expression of the
parotid hormone and theceruloplasmin expression in the
saliva?
I would think they would be onefor one.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
We were talking about at the conference.
How can we measure that in thesaliva?
Because saliva is becoming anamazing diagnostic tool to look
for lots of things.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, prior to the meeting where we met in Salt
Lake, I was obviously trying tobone up on my understanding of
testing in the mouth.
So I feel like an altar boytalking to the Pope right now.
That's okay.
I feel like an altar boytalking to the Pope right now.
That's okay.

(16:47):
But what I learned is that thenutrient expression in the
saliva may only be 3% of theserum, but it's a very accurate
3%.
The numbers are lower, butthey're incredibly—there's great
integrity in those numbers, soI thought that's pretty cool.
So this really is the gatewayto understanding what's going on

(17:10):
in the body.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
It's so non-invasive Saliva is awesome.
They're using it now for allsorts of looking for cancers and
stuff too, because you can seea lot of the proteins.
They talk it's like siltedblood, right.
So maybe not quantitatively,but qualitatively it's.
It's phenomenal, that's all.
So tell me a little bit moreabout root cause protocol.

(17:32):
We've talked a little bit aboutiron and copper and, and so
maybe give us a little bitbackground of the crux of the
root cause protocol and maybewhy are we seeing more iron and
less copper today?

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Sure, again, I was a babe in the woods.
I kept someone who told me thatwhen you get to be 72, you're
going to be no way.
I'm in my mid-50s.
I have this epiphany over theshoulder and what I really want
to do?
I really want to understand whyis everyone getting so sick?

(18:10):
Because what I was really goodat as a consultant was
forecasting the demand forhealth care.
It's not rocket science, butthere's a certain art form to it
and I was pretty good at thoseprojections.
But I was like why?
And what actually happened wasin 2008, I was doing a project

(18:31):
here in North Carolina for threedifferent clients and every
disease index was a hockey stickready to take off and I went I
can't stay on the sidelinesanymore.
And so I started takingcoursework and becoming a coach
and stuff like that, and I'dalways read books about

(18:53):
nutrition.
It was always an interest ofmine and the funny thing is I
love to eat but I hate to cook,but I'm like just one of my
personality quirks.
But what ended up happening wasI left my work in the world of

(19:15):
hospitals and I became Dr Liz'sgirlfriend.
I literally was not in theoffice and with my cufflinks and
fancy ties and she said you cantone that down.
She said thank you so much.

(19:36):
But one of her clients was apsychologist and she said I
think she knew it means that Iwas really interested in reading
and wanted to research.
She said I think it'd be reallygood for you to start writing
with paradoxical intent.
I said what she said reversepsychology.

(19:56):
And so I started to write aseries of articles about let's
get fat, let's break bones,let's make a heart attack.
Don't have a heart attack.
That's get fat, let's breakbones, let's make a heart attack
.
Don't have a heart attack.
That's too passive, let's go onthe offense and make it happen.
And so I really had a lot offun writing those articles and

(20:17):
there were published, you know,a monthly magazine in the
Chicago area called the MonthlyAspect Journal which is about
fortune telling and astrology.
I'm like, okay, whatever, I'dstart somewhere.
One of Dr Liz's clients she wasalso a practitioner said would

(20:43):
you read this article I didabout let's make a heart attack?

Speaker 1 (20:46):
And she said sure, yeah, I'd be happy to do that,
and so it was a 10-step plan.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
All these articles were 10-step plans on how to do
this or that.
You want to break bones.
Here's a 10-step plan.
In the 10-step plan to make aheart attack, seven of the 10
steps came from the AmericanHeart Association to make a
heart attack, and step numbereight was eliminate magnesium

(21:16):
from your diet and your body.
And so this client read thearticle and she came in a couple
of days later.
She said this is very clever.
She said this is very clever.
She said this is very funny.
She said I think you're on tosomething she said.
But I can't help but think thatstep number eight isn't more
important than you realize.
Step number eight was aboutmagnesium Get rid of magnesium.

(21:37):
And I said, yeah, maybe you'reright.
And that led me to CarolynDean's book, the Magnesium
Miracle, and I remember readingthat book like it was a murder
mystery, like suddenly I knewwhy is everyone in the hospital
so sick?
Because they're magnesiumdeficient.
And that drove me for probablya couple of years.

(21:59):
And I remember having a veryfateful conversation with a
practitioner and he said Morley,appreciate what you're trying
to do.
He said but it was that simple,we had to figure it out.
And then my arrogance and myhubris as a newbie.
I said you don't seem tounderstand it the way I do.
And he was right.

(22:22):
I was wrong.
And over a period of about fiveyears I went from magnesium
deficiency to trying tounderstand why is magnesium lost
?
Well, it's oxidative stress.
Where is the oxidative stresscoming from?
It's from the iron interactingwith the oxygen.
And then, over time, I went whyis iron and oxygen not working

(22:46):
right?
There's a mixture of toxins onthe planet.
Iron and oxygen are thepreeminent toxins.
Everyone loves to talk aboutthis chemical and that chemical
or whatever, but it's iron andoxygen that started the show,
and there's only one element onthe planet that can regulate
both of them at the same timeand not cause static, and it's

(23:08):
called copper.
And when I learned that, boom,I went from being this zealot
about magnesium and shifted myfocus, because if you can allow
the body to have enoughbioavailable copper, you don't
need to worry about magnesiumloss.
And again, a lot of people whofocus on magnesium deficiency

(23:33):
never take people back to thebeginning about where the
problem really is, which is theiron and the oxygen aren't being
mixed properly.
And so, as I learned more, Istarted to share it on Facebook
and I was supposed to write abook.
I had a sponsor and they wantedto have a cardiologist help me

(23:56):
write the book.
And when I realized I knew moreabout the problem than the
cardiologist, I said no, we'renot going to do that.
And I remember a very fatefulargument I had with this
cardiologist who trained withthe Baykeeper.
He wasn't exactly a slouch andI started talking about don't
you wonder about why thecholesterol is being oxidized?
And I remember what he said oh,you want to pull the curtain

(24:21):
all the way back.
I said oh, you know about theoxidized cholesterol?
He said, of course I do.
I said, but you never talkabout it.
He said it's just not popular.
And that's when I said we'renot going to write the book.
But I began to really dig in myheels and then I started

(24:42):
writing posts on iron toxicityand started connecting more dots
and one thing led to anotherand then, of course, published
the book.
But the focus was really once Iunderstood the role of the
copper protein, ceruloplasma,which is this master antioxidant

(25:03):
protein in the body that nobodyknows anything about,
especially your doctor, which isa frightening thought.
It would be like farmers notunderstanding that there's a sum
.
That's how foundational this isand people are like I've never
heard of it, so it can't be thatimportant.

(25:24):
No, it's really important.
And then you find out that theFDA does not allow you to
properly measure thefunctionality of that protein.
That's a good thing to know.
I was on a call recently alobbyist in DC and I shared that
stuff and this is a guy who'svery well-connected, I won't go

(25:47):
into the details.
He said what's the name of thattest?
And I told him he goes, that'sgoing to change us and I just
burst out laughing.
I said we'll see, but he hadall sorts of gumption that he
was going to change the world.
I hope you do, but people don'tunderstand.
This protein works with 15different substrates, so that

(26:14):
would be.
That's impressive.
It's working with iron, copper,oxygen, amine groups, phenols,
diphenols you name the chemicalcomponent that the body depends
on and ceruloplasma can workwith it through different enzyme
functions.
Okay, so it has intelligence.

(26:36):
It is the innate healer, it isthe internal intelligence of the
body, and the fact that itshows up on the mouth and the
eyes was actually eight timesmore ceruloplasmic expression in
the eye than in the brain.
That's a good thing to know.
The organs express it,macrophages express it.

(26:56):
It's are you kidding?
You don't know about this.
And the whole purpose behind theroot cause protocol is to
increase the body's ability tomake this protein so it can
regulate our health.
And when we first started,there was two stops and two

(27:17):
starts, and the stops were stoptaking iron and stop taking
ascorbic acid, and then ofcourse it grew and now we've got
about a dozen stops.
Stop taking iron and stoptaking ascorbic acid, and then
of course it grew and now we'vehad about a dozen stops.
But the one that causeseveryone heartburn and they get
like this bone in their throatis stop taking vitamin D.
They're just like what.

(27:38):
And what people don't realize isthat one of the most important
chemical reactions in the bodyis to have retinol become a
hormone called retinoic acid.
For the gearheads out thereit's called 13-sense retinoic
acid.
I've read one whole articleabout it.
There's only one articlepublished about this, 1947,

(28:00):
barber and Cousins.
But it revealed they have toreveal the truth.
You just have to be able tofind it, that's all.
And so retinol turns intoretinolucosin and that turns all
of this enzyme that loadscopper into a protein called
ceruloblasmin, and it's a reallyimportant mechanism inside the

(28:24):
body, and so that mechanism iscalled ATP7B.
And there's another one, apartner.
It's called ATP7A, and that'sloading two dozen other copper
enzymes.
So that gives you an idea ofhow important ceruloplasma is if
it has its own enzyme and theother enzyme is enzymes 25 or 30

(28:46):
other.
Okay, nobody knows anythingabout this.
No one's ever heard this.
And what I learned aboutresearch that was done in 1928
at the University of Wisconsin,in March of 1928 and then May of
1928 at the University ofWisconsin, in March of 1928, and
then May of 1928 at theUniversity of Kentucky, where

(29:09):
they withheld copper from theanimal's diet just to see what
would happen.
And what happened?
The livers of the animalsloaded up with iron, what I know
?
The exact mechanism.
You have an earth cool down,mitochondrial interloving, and

(29:31):
the receptor is called Robo4.
Robo4.
And guess what?
It affects women more than itaffects men.
It's fascinating.
And so when the liver loads upwith iron, it doesn't work right

(29:51):
and the liver is in fact thebattery of the body.
I don't know where the tooth isthat's associated with the
liver I'm sure you do, but I betit's a tooth that's under
assault all the time.
Canines, canines, okay, thatmakes sense.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
That was very unnerving.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
When I realized that, then I really began to dig in
and start to really say what dowe need to do to synthesize this
protein and allow its fullestexpression?
And I don't have a walk on it.
I mean, there's no see, there'sno manual that tells people how
to de-iron the human body andthere's no manual that tells

(30:37):
people how to recopper the body.
But what I want your listenersto understand is that we've been
under assault for a century.
This started with the FirstWorld War Because at the end of
the war there was a bunch ofmunitions left over.
What did they have?
Npk, nitrogen, phosphorus andpotassium.

(30:58):
And they had to get rid of thatchemical.
So they sold it to the farmers.
Oh, it's a fertilizer.
They turned it into afertilizer.
It's a bomb-making chemical byday and it's a fertilizer at
night.
And the farmers bought that.
And what does NPK do?

Speaker 1 (31:18):
It happened to fluoride too.
It's the same story.
We're all going to get rid ofit.
Oh yay, it prevents cavities.
Okay yeah, Same story.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Let's go back to Deathsmouth County, texas.
And so then farmers startedusing it.
What does NPK block?
The uptake of copper into theroot system.
Audrey Fawcett wrote about thisin the 1950s in a wonderful
book called Soil Grass Cancer,and he profiled very
meticulously how the NPK wascausing people in his community

(31:53):
to get cancer.
It's a beautiful book if you'venever read it.
But I just began to build onthat more and us.
And then I got a phone call froma physician.
Name was Ben Edwards.

(32:14):
He was down in Lubbock, texas.
He said more than I've got ninenurse practitioners, I want you
to teach me what you know.
And I said I don't know if it'sthat easy.
He said what I said.
I think you're part of theproblem Now.
If he had been a reasonableperson he would have hung up

(32:35):
right now.
But Ben is not reasonable.
He said wait a minute.
He said don't blame me.
You can blame my handlers, youcan blame the people who trained
me, but don't blame me.
I wanted to get through medicalschool and I did.
People have trained me, butdon't blame me.
I wanted to get through medicalschool and I did, and so that
became a friendship that led tome going down to Lubbock, texas,

(32:56):
to teach his entire team whatwe knew.
And the real breakthrough wasone of his nurse practitioners
who now has a double doctorate.
He has a PhD in physics and anaturopathic degree Some program
out in Hawaii.
He said, marley, do you reallywant to know why iron is so

(33:22):
toxic?
And I'm like, yeah, I thought Idied because of him.
It has six unpaired electronsand he showed me what the
problem is with iron.
I think it's actually fourunpaired electrons.
So it's four unpaired electronsand I was like, oh my gosh,
that's what the world would.
Suddenly, everything began tofall into place.

(33:44):
And if you don't know that, ifyou don't know that oxygen has
electrons to spare, then youdon't know that if you don't
know that oxygen has electronsto spare, then you don't
understand what the relationshipis between them.
And this is what's playing outin our body and what I've
labeled it as there's athree-ring circus between copper

(34:05):
and iron and oxygen, and itgoes back to the beginning of
time.
It goes back to what's calledthe great oxygen that a lot of
people don't know about, butthere wasn't always oxygen on
the planet and it was copperthat saved life on the planet
and allowed for life to evolve.
And the reason why we're here,you and I are here, the reason

(34:27):
why we're using this reallyswitched on technology to have
this conversation, is thathigher life forms required more
energy.
You couldn't get more energywithout oxidizing the fuel, so
you've got to oxidize the sugars, you've got to oxidize the fat,
and you can't do that withoutconfidence and that's not taught

(34:49):
anywhere, and so the secret ishiding behind a curtain, so
you've got to spell curtain C-U,hyphen R-T-A-I-N.
And people don't realize thelevel of deception that has
taken place in medicine anddentistry and nutrition and

(35:11):
agriculture and pharmaceuticalsfor a century.
That has been protecting arevenue stream and no one's the
wiser.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Let's go back to the vitamin D issue, because that is
a big one, even for me whounderstands the science, and I'm
like, oh, because we'll go overmy test results in a minute
here, but my vitamin D,according to traditional tests
is always low.
I also have some geneticdefects in my vitamin D receptor

(35:41):
.
That may be part of the reason.
But again, tell us about why weshouldn't necessarily
supplement with vitamin D.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
There was time to do that.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
I know, I know that's short inspiration.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
There's a master class.
I want people to know there's amaster class.
They can buy it.
It's two hours of me yammeringabout this.
I will answer your question ina very succinct way.
I'm not anti-vitamin D.
I'm anti-vitamin D, onlysupplementation.

(36:16):
It's very dangerous.
That's what the D stands for.
They've been very deceptive.
That's what the D stands for.
There's a lot of diseaseassociated.
That's what the D stands forand people don't know that.
And the brainwashing that'sgone with vitamin D, and people
don't know that.
And the brainwashing that'sgone by vitamin D is staggering.
It's right up there with theStockholm Syndrome and people

(36:38):
don't realize how dangerous itis.
But the real restriction is.
So you said you have vitamin D,you're always low.
The question you've never askedwhy is it low?
You think it's genetic.
That's a bunch of hocus pocus.

(36:59):
My VDR is not working myvitamin D receptor.
So what does VDR require?
Magnesium Well, where's themagnesium?
Could the magnesium be lost inyour body?
Because you happen to be a verysuccessful but stressed out
practitioner that maybe yourdiet doesn't have enough copper

(37:22):
in it?
And if copper's not there, whatis there?
Iron, where's the iron?
Hanging up In your liver, justlike we were talking about in
1928.
And what people need to know isthat in order to make the
storage form of, it's not avitamin, it's a hormone.
So to make the storage form ofhormone D, you have to have, you

(37:50):
have to turn cholesterol intothe precursor 7-D hydroxy,
whatever it's called but you gotto turn it into the precursor
and then it mixes with an enzymecalled 25-hydroxylase, which is
what Magnesium dependent.
Oh, and if I feel a lot of ironin my liver, there's going to

(38:11):
be a lot of oxidative stress inmy liver which is going to burn
up my magnesium, and so then theexpression of the enzyme is
down and therefore the storagelevel is down.
But here's where the fun reallybegins.
Do you know about MichaelHollick?
Okay, google him right now andtake a look at his picture and

(38:40):
you tell me why we should trustthis guy.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
How do you spell?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
his last name H-O-L-I-C-K.
He got his PhD before he gothis MD, that's a clue.
And he's at Boston University.
And he's the guy he's thepastor of his day, the Ancel
Keys of his day, the AnthonyFauci of his day who got

(39:04):
everyone to believe that theyneeded more vitamin D.
And let's ignore this retinolthing.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Anybody who's watching on YouTube.
More vitamin D and let's ignorethis retinol thing.
Can I show a picture?
Can everybody?
Anybody who's watching?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
on YouTube.
Yeah, it's right out of thesentence.
I'm sick.
No, I'm sure he can criticizeme too.
The thing is, we've been soldto build goods, and back in the
20s, in the teens and 20s, whenthey were studying retinol, what

(39:36):
were they doing with thevitamin D samples?
Throwing it away because theysaid it was worthless.
And now it's running the world.
It's faster than a speedingbullet, it's taller than a, it's
just come on.
And so the part that peopledon't realize is that vitamin D

(39:57):
causes iron to go deeper intothe tissue.
Vitamin D a very importantstudy was done at Yale Medical
School.
Well, that's probably a prettygood school, right, but Dr
Ferris at Yale Medical School in1962 proved that vitamin D

(40:21):
supplementation caused renalpotassium wasting.
Why should we care about thekidneys dumping potassium?
What replaces potassium when itleaves the cell?
Calcium, or, as they say inIreland, or it replaces

(40:41):
potassium, and then we havewhat's called kidney disease.
And that was his whole point.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
So the importance is and this is what I'm telling my
patients all the time like nosingle vitamin, single member
ever works alone.
This is why they did that hugestudy where they were putting
women on vitamin d and calcium.
They all ended up with heartattack.
Because you need the magnesium,you need the vitamin a, you
need the vitamin k and this iswhy it's so important when
you're thinking about something.

(41:11):
Ideally we get all our nutrientsfrom food.
For example, cod liver oil thathas vitamin D, but what else
does it have?
High, high levels of retinol,like one of probably the only
foods where you get actualvitamin A.
People say eat carrots.
That's beta carotene, that'sdifferent.
You need to be able to convertthat right.
So when you look in natureagain, nothing is in isolation.

(41:32):
All the foods, everything isthere to help your body
assimilate it.
So, same thing when you'retaking vitamin D and now a lot
of supplements, you'll see D3,k2, right, because we understand
that if you don't have themagnesium, you don't have the
vitamin A and vitamin K.
The calcium ends up beingdeposited.
So we'll see tartar on theteeth right, that calcium is

(41:54):
coming out of your system andbeing deposited.
So if I'm seeing it on theteeth, I bet you we're seeing it
in the arteries too.
Right, of course, gosh.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
So what people don't know is that there's four fat
soluble vitamins.
Two have been weaponized,that's vitamin D and vitamin K,
and the other two are MIA.
You know we're in the right.
Vitamin A and vitamin D aregone.
People don't realize that andthey don't know how important

(42:26):
they are.
And this idea that syntheticvitamin K is your friend no,
I'll make an open request foryou and your followers Send me
an article that proves thatvitamin K takes carotene and
puts it back in the bone.
I can't wait to read thatarticle.
I can't find it.

(42:46):
It's now become part of theurban legend of Iron Kitty to
remineralize the bone.
Come on, show me the articlethat proves that.
I can't find it.
The other thing that you mightnot know is you may know of
Michael Gosweiler, in Indianaand just an amazing guy, great

(43:11):
dentist, great periodontaldentist, but he does a lot of
implants.
And what Mike has discovered ishe puts his clients on the RCP
for four months before he evenstarts to check their mouth.
He won't even look at theirmouth before they've been on

(43:33):
protocol and the part everyonechokes on is no vitamin D.
And the physicians in thecommunity I use that word in the
office are always telling theirclients you can do the RCP
thing as long as you do thevitamin D, which is a complete
violation.
You can do the RCP thing aslong as you do the vitamin D,

(43:53):
which is a complete violation.
Mike knows within a nanosecondwhether it can hold the tensile
strength of whatever thisprocedure is and when it can't,

(44:17):
100% of the time the client hasbeen taking vitamin D.
Now that begs the question why?
Why would the maxillary bonelose its integrity?
There's only one way it canhappen.
There's an enzyme in our body.
You work with it all day long,but you may not know about it.
It's called lysyl oxidase.
Lysyl oxidase is what knitscollagen, which is strong, with

(44:43):
elastin, which is flexible.
The body needs to knit those twolike a zipper and the enzyme,
lysyl oxidase, allows that tocome together and that's what
gives all the connective tissueits integrity.
Forty-five percent of the cellsin the human body are
connective tissue.

(45:03):
This is not an insignificantevent.
Have you noticed the number ofpeople wearing boots these days?
Ethical event have you noticedthe number of people wearing
boots these days?
Because I bet every one of themis taking vitamin D 100% of
them and they don't know thatthe lysyl oxidase is being
compromised by the vitamin D andwe're still trying to figure

(45:25):
out what the actual mechanism is.
But it's the only enzyme thatwould make sense to destroy the
maxillary integrity and also thebone integrity.
And it's a quiet crisis andepidemic on the planet that
nobody's aware of.
And think of the number ofpeople that you know just within
your community that haveimplants that aren't holding and

(45:50):
they're not holding and they'vegot to be replaced.
And there's a reason whythey've got to be replaced
because tissue integrity hasbeen compromised, because people
are brainwashed to think thatthey need this supplement alone.
I'm with you 100% and we needthe food sources or where there
is this synergy between thenutrients and that's being lost

(46:13):
to the modern food system, asyou well know.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, definitely so there's a difference between the
supplementation right versuscod liver oil.
That cod liver oil is a part ofRCP and that's a central form
right of vitamin D has out and Iknow liver itself has a lot of
copper right.
I don't know if the oil doestoo right.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Historically.
Yes, here's the part that maybeyou don't want to hear, or
maybe your followers don't wantto hear.
In 1987, monsanto wanted tointroduce glyphosate into Europe
.
There was a lot of resistance,especially in France.

(46:58):
I was under the impression thatthey had actually passed along,
but they didn't.
But the use of glyphosate isvery different in France than it
is in other parts of Europe.
So that was 87.
In 2022, a team of scientistsdecided to study gee.
I wonder how the Frenchbenefited from that resistance,

(47:19):
and what they discovered is that99% of French citizens are
peeing glyphosate in their urine.
What does that really mean?
It means that glyphosate iseverywhere it's in the air and
it's in the water table.
And so you go to a nutrienttable.
Really cool eye candy nowreally spiffy.

(47:42):
Exciting.
The information in the nutrienttables hadn't been updated
since 1957.
That's a good thing to know.
And so our understanding of foodis three generations ago, and
so copper used to have a lot ofexcuse me, liver used to have a

(48:04):
lot of copper, organ meats usedto have a lot of copper,
shellfish used to have a lot ofcopper, nuts and seeds In fact,
all of the foods that are GMOweakly used to be rich sources
of copper.
Now they have no copper, and sothe part that people may not

(48:26):
know is the speed with whichglyphosate removes copper from
the soil, from the plant, fromthe animals eating the plant.
And the kinetics of chelationare fascinating, but it's
logarithmic.
People can relate toearthquakes.

(48:48):
An earthquake of three is, youknow, the dishes rattle, but
everything will be fine.
An earthquake of 12, no onesurvives.
Glyphosate pulls calcium andmagnesium out of the soil at a 3
.
It pulls iron and zinc out ofthe soil at a 9.

(49:10):
But it pulls copper at a 12.
So what does that mean?
It means that it's pullingcopper out a billion times
faster than calcium andmagnesium, and it's a thousand
times faster than iron and zinc.
And here's where the problem is.
Those numbers go right out ofyour head.

(49:31):
I don't understand what abillion times faster is.
If I don't understand it, itcan't be important.
So think of the one flight whenI was in college my mom had a
really nice Mercedes 350 SL andI remember growing up in
Baltimore, taking a trip toFlorida and driving that car 140

(49:54):
miles an hour, which was twicethe speed limit.
And it was this wall of greenjust going by.
A young guy has to do thatright.
Then you think about ChuckYeager in the 50s breaking
through the sound barrier.
So he was going 10 times thespeed limit and before he pushed

(50:16):
the sound barrier, so he wasgoing 10 times the speed line
and before he fused the soundbarrier the dashboard started to
blow up.
He figured he was just going todie and then he said it was
like riding on silk.
Once he went through the soundbarrier, that's 10 times faster.
We can't relate to a thousandtimes faster, much less a
billion times faster.
But that's the power of thischemical that everyone.

(50:41):
I've heard of that, but I don'tknow what it does.
I've heard of glyphosate orI've heard of GMO, but they have
no idea what it's doing todestroy mineral integrity in the
soil, in the plant, in thehuman.
And now we're facing I thinklet's be really bold here I

(51:03):
think we're facing extinctionlevel of that.
That's how powerful it is.
And so it's just again.
The average person doesn't wantto know all that.
They want to have their Big Macand their statin.
And leave me alone, let me getback to my football game.
And so it's just.

(51:23):
We live in a wild time.
And the beauty of what I'veuncovered is that there is this
unbelievable design to humanphysiology.
There's no—it's just absolutelybreathtaking.
Our maker and Mother Natureknew exactly what they were

(51:44):
doing and it's been violated inthe last century on a scale that
people don't realize.
And we can, in fact, take backcontrol.
We can become the CEO of ourhealth, but it takes discipline
and discernment, and a lot ofpeople don't want to do that.
So that's the challenge.

(52:05):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
We're coming up on good time.
We could talk for five moreminutes.
Let's look at my test.
So I knew Morley was coming on.
Talk for five more hours.
Let's look at my test.
So I knew Morley was coming on.
So I recently, in recent years,I've had some blood work and my
ferritin levels, which is thelike iron storage, have been
very low, right.
So this last one, it was nine.
A couple of months ago I wasthe first time I did it.

(52:32):
About a year ago I was at nine.
A few months later, aftertrying these, I went to a 7.
Now I'm back up to the 9.
But my doctor was like you'vegot to get on iron right away.
That is way too low.
And I was just knowing whatlittle bit I know about that.
I said I don't know, I'm notgoing to do that.
But this is really common,right?
The iron deficiency anemia.

(52:53):
So many people they get ironinfusion and they feel good
initially until because, oh, allof a sudden I have more energy,
but maybe again.
This is another five hourconversation, but briefly, what
is your belief when people showthese low numbers?
What's really going on?

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Again, we're back to.
How much time do we?

Speaker 1 (53:16):
have Exactly.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
So, real quick, I'll put this in context and I'll
answer your question.
People need to understand thatthere's a continuum of ferritin.
You want to really understandferritin?
You got to get Harrison orRosio in 1995.
You got to get Harrison orRoseo in 1995.
And it'll go into why this issuch an important protein, but

(53:39):
how complicated it really is.
But what people need tounderstand is that there's
actually five different forms offerritin that we know of.
There's ferritin heavy chain,light chain.
Then there's serum ferritin,which is an alteration of the
light chain.
It's missing 10 amino acids.
That's a good thing to know.

(54:00):
Gee, where'd they go?
Then there's denatured ferritin.
It's actually calledhemocytarin.
It's not tested.
We're not allowed to test forthat.
What is hemocytarin?
It's holding 10 tons more ironthan ferritin.
Where does it hang out?
In the liver?
In the spleen?

(54:20):
In our bone marrow?
Oh, that would be a good thingto know.
And so then there's the lastform is called magnetoferritin.
You probably have never heardof it, but the iron in that
magnetoferritin is 200 timesstronger than heavy chain
ferritin.
And what's it responsible forNeurodegeneration?

(54:43):
Oh, maybe that's a good thingto know.
So the thing is, the topic isit's multifaceted and everyone
wants to know what does the highferritin mean?
Or the low ferritin?
Every classmate of mine thatgot into medical school 100% of

(55:03):
them got an.
A in calculus, they were reallygood at math, and they've all
been reduced to ferritin monkeysusing a ruler.
Well, you know, ferritin is toohigh and ferritin is too low,
when in fact ferritin is maybe aleading indicator, or a lagging
indicator, of completebreakdown, of copper-iron

(55:26):
dysregulation.
And so the high ferritin isactually pretty easy to explain.
The liver is on fire and it'sbreaking down, the tissue is
breaking down, and when theferritin starts to rise above,
say, 100, but when it gets intothe 500 to 1,000 range, when it

(55:47):
gets over 1,000, as it does withrheumatoid arthritis or
diabetes or heart disease thatwould be a good thing to know
that that means there's a lot ofiron behind that ferritin.
Okay, so that's easy to explain.
Low ferritin oh my gosh.
The part that's missing isthere's a hormone that allegedly

(56:11):
runs iron metabolism.
I don't quite describe to youthat, but that's the rigor.
We're supposed to believe thatthere's a hormone called
hepcidin.
Have you ever heard of it?
Okay, so you've heard ofhepcidin, but you can't measure
it.
You're not allowed to measureit, and it turns out that
hepcidin and ferritin ride onthe sea salt again.

(56:33):
That hepcidin and ferritin rideon the sea salt again.
And I've been waiting for a longtime when I had the opportunity
to talk with Douglas Kell, whois a world-renowned iron
biologist.
I spoke to him back in 2018,and we didn't speak again until
a weekend ago, and we're goingto be talking at a conference

(56:55):
together in London in a fewweeks and I wanted to get this
bee out of my bonnet.
I said Dr Kell, my theory isthat low ferritin is a sign of
high hepcidin.
He said you're absolutely right.
What you've got to understandabout Dr Kell is he has more
degrees than us among us, andhis signature article from 2009

(57:19):
is called Iron Behaving Badly,and if a scientist wants to make
a statement with an article,they'll have 100 footnotes.
If they really want to putemphasis on it, they'll have 200
footnotes, maybe 300.
Dr Kill's article in 2009,2,400 footnotes, and his whole

(57:43):
point is he wants scientists andclinicians to know you're not
just wrong about iron, you'redead wrong.
And so your ferritin is low.
I would suspect your hepcidinis high.
Now why would your hepcidin behigh?
Well, hepcidin is made by thehemp gene, h-a-m-p hepatic

(58:13):
antimicrobial peptide.
Oh, there's microbes involved.
So if ferritin is low, mightthat mean that I have parasites?
Absolutely, and they'reaffecting your copper and iron
metabolism, and the doctordoesn't know that, and the worst
possible thing you can do forlow ferritin is give iron,
because what does it do to theparasites?

(58:34):
It feeds them even more.
And so, as I'm looking at yourblood work and we can spend more
time in a later conversation,but what really stands out is
the one-two punch in the humanbody.
The one-two components of yourimmune system are transferrin

(58:58):
and ceruloplasmin.
Transferrin is a waitercarrying iron, very important
for the iron recycling system,and ceruloplasmin is the master
copper protein that's regulatingthe wild stone copper protein
that's regulating the wild stone.
And both of those proteins aresupposed to be 30, which you

(59:19):
have to understand is there'smorally math involved, and so
you've got to move the decimalpoint over for transfer.
It's showing 286, which is 28.6, as we understand it in the RCP
, and your ceruloplasma is 17.

(59:39):
That's a dramatic difference.
They should both be 30, andwhen they're not both 30, they
should both be the same number.
But if there's this, guess whatparasites are able to make?
They make transferrin, but theycan't make ceruloplasmin, and

(01:00:08):
so your ceruloplasmin is about50% of where it should be and
your copper is 69% of what itshould be.
So the prerequisite to maketransferrin is retinol.
The gene gets stimulated byretinol.
Don't ask me how the parasitesdo it.
I probably should find out, butthat's another mechanism.

(01:00:30):
But ceruloplasma requires bothretinol and copper, and so your
copper is low do we have yourretinol?

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
yeah, the vitamin a didn't come in yet, so it
probably will be low I.
I was on accutane as a teenagerand uh oh gee, sickest people
hands down.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Sickest people as a class are anyone who took
Accutane and what people may notknow about Accutane, even
though it has a CU in it.
It's anti-copper and what itdoes is it's a synthetic form of
13-saccharide-tenomic acid.
And what does it do?
It accelerates the productionof the seruloplasma protein to

(01:01:19):
the point that it burns outcopper in the body.
And then you're in a deficitposition, but your body is
showing very low expression.
How long did you take it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
I was six months.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Okay, six days would have been too long.
No, I've had probably 15 or 20people who took Accutane.
They are affected by it for therest of their life.
It's actually more than that.
So I'm doing the math 69divided by 17.

(01:01:58):
So your ratio is 4.05.
Ideally, copper should be 100.
Ideally, ceruloplasma should be30.
The ideal ratio is 3.33.
Your ratio is 4.05.
You're thinking, yeah, but I'mclose.

(01:02:19):
No, it's logarithmic again.
So your level of inflammationis seven times higher than it
should be.
Does that make sense?
Absolutely.
When was the last time you dida blood donation?

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
I haven't been able to because my iron's been low
the last two times.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Okay, okay, and what will turn that around is the
protocol, the root causeprotocol, and you seem to have a
working knowledge of letting goof fear.
You really got to work on thatBecause you're not broken, but
you are out of balance.

(01:03:03):
You're absolutely out ofbalance, and what I would advise
, just between you and me andthe lamppost, is I'd find a
mobile phlebotomist and havethem take iron out of your body
Because it's getting in the wayof your recovery.
We do it in the office.
Have you started the protocol?

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
yet I've done bits and pieces.
I know when Kelly is back,we're going full on there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
What you're probably going to enjoy is the Recuperate
, which is a blended form ofdesiccated beef liver and
spirulina and turmeric andcopper bisglycinate, and you're
probably going to need at leastthree a day to bring your body
back, and so that'll be sixmilligrams of copper that you

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were missing for a long time.
And what would be fascinating,to do a there's a company called
Ferroscan, based out ofAustralia, but they have
relationships with MRI centersall over the world and for you

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to do a ferrous scan of yourliver to find out how much iron
is there, because I suspect youhave a buildup there, which is
why your vitamin D.
I never worried about vitamin Dlevels, but yours is 28, and
that's actually too high.
There's no clinical benefitabove 21.
And the system that wasdeveloped by Michael Hollick

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starts at 30 and goes up to 100.
But I grew up in Baltimore, mynickname was Baltimorely and I
worshiped at the altar ofHopkins.
Some really talented people.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Muhammad Amer in 2014 said, did an all-cause
mortality study against vitaminD status.
He said there's no clinicalbenefit above 21.
And again, that's all pre-COVID, and people say, yeah, you
don't understand 21.
And again, that's all pre-COVIDand people say, yeah, you don't
understand.
Well, the part that peopledon't understand today is that
in 2020, when everyone wasfreaking out, we were told to

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take the COVID cocktail, whichwas high-dose ascorbic acid,
high-dose vitamin and high-dosezinc.
That's the perfect triad tokill copper in the body, but
people don't know that.
And so then, when I realizedwhat was being proposed, I
renamed what COVID stood for.
C-o-v stands for coppersbanished and I-D stands for

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irons dysregulated, and what theresearch today has proven is
that it was a fight betweencopper and iron.
All along.
The people didn't know that,and now what we're finding out
is that ivermectin is afertility toxin.
Keep ivermectin away.
Don't use that horse pastewhich only made us want to have

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more.
Well, in fact, it's a toxin forrepopulating a plant.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Interesting.
We could go on for many morehours and we didn't even really
touch on the whole ascorbic acidor vitamin C, but this is why,
everybody—.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
We will.
I look forward to it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Yes, everybody, so this is an impetus to will.
I look forward yes, everybody.
So this is an impetus to buyMorley's book.
I read it in, I think, a day.
I was on vacation, sitting bythe pool, and I kept turning to
my husband and be like, oh, lookat this, did you know this?
I love to read, but this bookreally mine is all highlighted
and marked up and it's very easyto read.

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You don't have to be a doctoror medical person to understand
it.
It's very, very well written,very well organized, and then,
of course, you have lots ofclasses.
So give us the website.
People want to learn more, theywant to dive deeper.
Maybe they really don't want toget trained in the root cause
protocol, which is what myhygienist is doing right now.
How do people find out aboutthat?

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Yeah, we're all over social media, so Facebook,
instagram, what have you.
It's all revolving around theRCP protocol, but the website is
rcp123.org.
Put my name in the searchengine 300 videos are going to
pop up.
To the extent that you havethat much time.

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For people who are reallycurious and want to dig deeper,
we have an RCP community, andthat you can get to that through
the RCP website.
And then, for those who reallywant to do the training, there
is the RCP Institute, and thatis a subset of the main website.
For those who really want to dothe training, there is the RCP
Institute, and that is a subsetof the main website.
For those who really want toreach out, my email address is

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my first and last namemorleyrobbins at gmailcom, and
for that precious few that wantto talk, my phone number is
847-922-8061, and bring it on.
I talk to people all day long.
I hope we have a chance to chatsome more, maybe dig into some
of the questions we didn't getto, and then we get to the

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questions of your followers.
I can guarantee you this isgoing to stir the pot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
We're going to be very watchful about this, and it
typically takes three or fourbites at the apple to give
people a full understanding ofwhat we're talking about and
really allow them to reordertheir thinking based on mother
nature, not based on thenarrative.
And that's the challenge.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Yeah, and my own health struggles ever since.
So I took Accutane when I was18 years old and from that
moment, combine that with birthcontrol pills and all these
things like my liver was justshot from a very early age and,
interestingly, the big storybehind my eczema, which happened
after the birth of my seconddaughter, was parasites.
That was a huge story of it.
It was getting rid of parasitesthat really helped the eczema

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come down.
But there's still thatunderlying dysregulation.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Anyone who has eczema has too much iron in their body
.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
There's a story that's not told by anyone.
Most physicians have no idea,and this is why I value this,
why I do this podcast.
We've got to uncover the truthof the matter because, as you
said, all of us have the innatehealer within.
We just have to remove thosetoxins, we have to renew.
You know our bodies are sonutrient deficient too, right.
So understanding that andgetting the right nutrition into

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our body in the right formsbecause that's a big part of it
too I do believe supplementationis necessary, but we have to
understand the ramifications ofthe different types of
supplements.
Ideally, we'd get everythingfrom food challenging in these
days, so we'll have to have parttwo, maybe part three, but I
really appreciate your time.
I know how busy you are and I'mexcited for Kelly to come back

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and we're really going to getrevved up and bring this to our
local patients anyway, andhopefully we'll be able to do
some more classes and stuff likethis, because I know you are
only one person and that's whyit's awesome that you're
training everybody else, so thatwe can all benefit from this
innate knowledge that we shouldall understand.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
I appreciate the opportunity and maybe I'm in the
right situation.
Maybe I can schlep out toMassachusetts.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
We would love it, kelly.
I would in the right situation,maybe I can schlep out to
Massachusetts.
We would love it, kelly, and Iwould love to have you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
My oldest kids are in Boston.
It's not that far to get to theWestern.
What's it like?
Two, three hours you're off.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
About two and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Okay, we might make that happen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
I would love it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Glad you're here.
It's been a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Thank you, norley, and thank you all for listening.
I hope this whets your appetite.
You guys, go buy the book.
Cure your Fatigue and buy itanywhere.
Books are sold and, again, youcan read it pretty quickly.
You'll want to go back to itagain and again, and again, but
it's really interesting readingand really will help you on your
journey.
So until next time, everyone, Ihope you have a great day and

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