August 5, 2025 • 32 mins
Esoteric Coherence Physics: Completing Science by Remembering the Sacred
What if our most cutting-edge scientific discoveries aren't revolutionary breakthroughs, but rediscoveries of ancient wisdom?
This profound inquiry launches us into the luminous world of Philip Randolph Lillian’s Esoteric Coherence Physics, where quantum mechanics, field theory, and dimensional cosmology are shown to have deep roots in long-forgotten mystical traditions.
We trace the hidden esoteric lineages of science’s greatest minds—Newton, immersed in divine architecture and alchemy; Einstein, echoing Spinoza’s God and engaging Tagore on consciousness; and Bohm, whose implicate order harmonizes uncannily with Theosophical cosmology.
At the center of Lilien’s vision is coherence: not merely wave synchronization, but the foundational resonance field from which all physical, biological, and conscious structures emerge. His Hypersymmetry Hyperspace Coherence Resonance Theory (HHHCR-ToE) reframes reality as an ontological cascade of vibrational planes, where dimensions are dynamic frequency domains and consciousness acts as a meta-structuring operator.
Perhaps most provocatively, this framework suggests that modern ideas—quantum entanglement, zero-point energy, torsion mechanics—are not novel inventions but functional rediscoveries of long-established esoteric science.
- The etheric body maps to scalar phase fields.
- Chakras emerge as torsion vortex nodes.
- The Akashic field aligns with quantum memory structures.
- And the observer is not passive—but the Meta-Operator that modulates reality itself.
Rather than replacing science with mysticism, this work completes science, reintegrating the sacred coherence it forgot. It invites us to see reality through coherent eyes—not as dead matter, but as living resonance.
What happens when we remember the sacred intelligence woven into the cosmos?
Perhaps we discover the universe is not just to be studied…
But heard, felt, and participated with—in resonance.
Welcome to The Roots of Reality, a portal into the deep structure of existence.
Drawing from over 200 original research papers, we unravel a new Physics of Coherence.
These episodes are entry points to guide you into a much deeper body of work. Subscribe now, & begin tracing the hidden reality beneath science, consciousness & creation itself.
It is clear that what we're producing transcends the boundaries of existing scientific disciplines, while maintaining a level of mathematical, ontological, & conceptual rigor that not only rivals but in many ways surpasses Nobel-tier frameworks.
Originality at the Foundation Layer
We are not tweaking equations we are redefining the axioms of physics, math, biology, intelligence & coherence. This is rare & powerful.
Cross-Domain Integration Our models unify to name a few: Quantum mechanics (via bivector coherence & entanglement reinterpretation), Stellar Alchemy, Cosmology (Big Emergence, hyperfractal dimensionality), Biology (bioelectric coherence, cellular memory fields), coheroputers & syntelligence, Consciousness as a symmetry coherence operator & fundamental invariant.
This kind of cross-disciplinary resonance is almost never achieved in siloed academia.
Math Structures: Ontological Generative Math, Coherence tensors, Coherence eigenvalues, Symmetry group reductions, Resonance algebras, NFNs Noetherian Finsler Numbers, Finsler hyperfractal manifolds
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What if the most cutting edge science you know,
the stuff we think is brand newisn't really new at all?
What if it's actuallyrediscovering ancient wisdom,
ideas we might label esoteric?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's a pretty wild thought.
Right Almost feels off limitsto even ask.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Exactly.
But what if the veryfoundations of our science,
deliberately, you know, cutthemselves off from a big part
of their history, leading tothis kind of cosmic amnesia?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Well, that's precisely the core argument in
the work we're diving into today.
It's called Esoteric CoherencePhysics and the Hyperspace
Continuum, by Philip RandolphLillian.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
OK.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And Lillian isn't just like drawing philosophical
parallels.
He's arguing that modernphysics has actively obscured
its roots in esoteric andspiritual traditions.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Actively obscure them .
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, he claims concepts we think are
revolutionary now, things liketorsion fields, quantum
coherence actually have and thisis his phrase longstanding
precedence in occult science.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Wow, okay.
So our mission for this deepdive, then, is to really
rigorously unpack Lillian'sclaim here, really rigorously
unpack Lillian's claim here theidea that, far from
contradicting scientificrationality, these esoteric
insights offer an expandedarchitecture of reality that
completes physics.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Completes physics, not replaces it.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Right.
That's a key distinction.
He's not trying to tear sciencedown, he wants to build on it,
make it whole again.
And he introduces this what isit?
The hypersymmetry, hyperspace,coherence, resonance theory of
everything?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's the one, hhc, artoe for short.
He presents it as a newmeta-framework for unification.
A grand synthesis really Ameta-framework.
What Lillian's proposingessentially is a kind of
cosmological restoration project, Restoration project.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I like that phrasing.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's ambitious.
No doubt he's trying to bringthese, you know, forgotten
dimensions of reality the stuffusually left to mysticism or
philosophy right back into theheart of science.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
So, ok, expect some, maybe some serious aha moments
today, because we're going toconnect some big names in
science history to their, let'ssay, lesser known mystical side,
and we'll try to align modernphysics concepts with these
ancient teachings and really getinto this fascinating idea of
completing physics.
Okay, let's untack this, let'sdo it.
(02:13):
So Lillian kicks things off byreally challenging how we even
think about science.
He argues that modern science,you know, in its push for
empirical clarity, objectivedata, it deliberately distanced
itself from its metaphysicalorigins.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, and he insists this wasn't just an accident,
like oops, we forgot something.
He claims it was a consciouschoice.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Conscious choice.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
That's his argument, and that this choice led
directly to what he calls amechanistic and incomplete
understanding of the cosmos.
It's like science purposefullycut off a limb, leaving behind a
crucial way of understandingthings.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
That's a strong claim .
Why does he think this splithappened?
Was the esoteric stuff justwrong?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, that's what's interesting.
Lillian says no, it wasn'tabout irrelevance or lack of
validity.
He puts it down to a paltralturn away from inner knowledge.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
A cultural turn.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Right.
As the scientific method gotmore rigid and empirical
observation became king,anything that seemed subjective
or intuitive or spiritual, itgot pushed aside systematically.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So measurement became the only measure of truth,
basically.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Pretty much, he argues.
Science essentially banishedthe soul of the cosmos.
It actively cut ties with theesoteric mysticism, sacred
geometry, asking metaphysicalquestions.
These were dismissed, as youknow.
Irrational, primitive Sciencewanted a purely material,
predictable universe.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Wow, banished the soul of the cosmos.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
That's quite an image , but historically it wasn't
always like that, was it?
Lillian points out that theearliest scientists they were
often mystics themselves.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Exactly.
He stresses that they wereoften bridging the empirical and
the ineffable.
This wasn't just a footnote inhistory.
We're talking a lineage fromlike ancient hermetic arts
through Renaissance alchemy, allthe way to huge figures like
Isaac Newton.
Newton's private work Lilliannotes was deep into what he
calls alchemical theorems.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Alchemical theorems, yeah, and understanding this
history is crucial because itsets up these well surprising
revelations about scientificgiants we thought we knew.
It suggests their biggestinsights might have come from
blending the empirical and theesoteric.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So the strict separation we see now is maybe
relatively recent in the grandscheme of things, that's the
implication.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Lillian reframes the whole history of science
narrative.
It suggests that for a longtime, wanting to understand the
universe holistically, the seenand unseen, physical and
metaphysical, wasn't just common, it was interwoven with science
.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So the idea of a sacred dimension wasn't separate
, it was maybe the motivation.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
In many cases, yes, the framework, even Lillian,
implies that without seeing thatbroader picture, our modern
science is fundamentallyincomplete, like a symphony
missing, you know, half theorchestra.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
OK, and this hidden history brings us to these
figures Lillian calls reluctantmystics, or maybe alchemists of
science, and the first big oneis Isaac Newton.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Right Newton, the guy we associate with gravity,
calculus, laws of motion, theabsolute poster child for
rational science.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, the apple the whole.
Thing.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But Lillian says hold on.
That's only part of the story,maybe not even the most
revealing part.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
It's just the other part.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, lillian digs into Newton's vast parallel
career, a career as a seriousstudent of alchemy, biblical
chronology and divinearchitecture.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Seriously Not just hobbies?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
No, not.
According to Lillian, thousandsof pages of unpublished
writings show systematic study.
And here's the kicker Newton'smasterpiece, the Principia, the
bedrock of classical physics.
Masterpiece, the Principia, thebedrock of classical physics.
Lillian says it was writtenwithin a cosmology that viewed
nature as divinely encoded Whoa,so the physics wasn't separate
(05:52):
from the divine for him.
Not at all For Newton.
The laws he found weren't justrandom rules.
They were expressions of God'smind, part of a grand divine
design he was trying to figureout.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So his physics was derived from his theology in a
way that flips the script on theusual image of Newton.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Completely.
He wasn't just a physicist, hewas kind of decrypting the
divine blueprint.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
And what about the alchemy and this primal ether
idea?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Right.
Newton believed in a primalether, not empty space, but a
fundamental medium for forces.
It's actually quite resonantwith, you know, modern field
theory and definitely with theesoteric idea of an etheric
plane and the alchemy Lillianargues.
Newton saw it not assuperstition but as a sacred
science of elemental unity, apursuit of coherent
(06:41):
transformation.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Coherent transformation.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, understanding how elements change and unify.
It was deeply spiritual for him.
Lillian says Newton saw thecosmos as a cosmological
coherence machine where God'smind showed itself through
geometry, proportion, naturallaw.
His physics was basically atheological quest.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I think that's a completely different Newton than
the one in the textbooks.
Mind-blowing, really.
But this thread of thereluctant mystic doesn't stop
there, does it?
Lillian moves on to Einstein.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Albert Einstein.
Yeah, he also gets labeled thereluctant mystic.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Okay, Einstein, relativity, space-time E-M-C-A-O
.
Where does mysticism fit inwith him?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, even Einstein, you know, despite his huge
empirical breakthroughs, hadthis deep, almost spiritual
yearning he longed for a unifiedfield theory, Lillian says, one
that mirrored his intuitivesense of divine order.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So it wasn't just math for him either.
It was about finding cosmicharmony.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Exactly that quest for a single elegant principle
governing everything.
Lillian says it alignsremarkably well with esoteric
models of spiritual unity.
He was looking for thatunderlying oneness.
And Lillian points it alignsremarkably well with esoteric
models of spiritual unity.
He was looking for thatunderlying oneness.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And Lillian points to actual evidence for this right,
Not just interpreting hisfeelings.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
He does.
He highlights Einstein'scorrespondence with Rabindranath
Tagore, the poet andphilosopher.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Oh, I've heard about those conversations.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, they're fascinating.
They apparently show Einstein'sopenness to consciousness as a
participatory element in shapingreality, which is, you know,
pretty far from the detachedobserver idea.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Participatory consciousness.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And his issues with quantum mechanics.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Ah yes, his famous struggle with quantum mechanics,
the probability, the weirdobserver effect.
Lillian argues this dilemmaforeshadows the esoteric
observer problem.
Dilemma foreshadows theesoteric observer problem
Because it raised questions forEinstein about how consciousness
interacts with matter,questions that resonate deeply
with how esoteric traditionshave viewed that relationship
for ages.
He felt something crucial wasmissing from quantum theory,
(08:36):
something about reality'sfundamental nature.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
So the very puzzles in physics were pushing him
towards these deeper, almostmystical questions.
Okay, and then there's DavidBohm.
Lillian sees him as like themost direct link.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah.
Bohm's work, especially hisidea of the implicate order, is
presented by Lillian as the mostdirect convergence between
modern physics and esotericthought.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
The implicate order Remind me what that is again.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Bohm envisioned it as this deeper, hidden layer of
reality where all things areunfolded in one coherent whole.
Everything is fundamentallyinterconnected, just not
obviously so in our everydayexplicate reality.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Okay, and Lillian connects this to Blavatsky.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Directly he calls Bohm's implicate order a direct
echo of Blavatsky's occult ether.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
The occult ether.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, hp Blavatsky, key figure in theosophy, her
occult ether was this idea of asubtle underlying medium
connecting everything like acosmic blueprint or information
network.
Bohm's Implicate Order providesa kind of physics language for
that.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And Bohm also talked about things like non-locality
and hollow movement.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Right, those sound pretty esoteric, even now they
really do, and Lilliandefinitely makes that connection
.
Bohm's non-locality, howparticles can be instantly
connected across distance, andhollow movement, the idea that
everything's part of thisflowing, undivided whole.
Yeah, lillian says theseresonate strongly with ancient
hermetic concepts of as above sobelow, that idea of patterns
repeating on all scales.
(10:05):
He also links them to AliceBailey's doctrine of the seven
rays from Theosophy.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Through the seven rays, like fundamental energy
types.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Sort of, yeah, different qualities structuring
reality.
So Bohm's physics, according toLillian, gave a scientific
framework to these old esotericideas about cosmic unity.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And Bohm went even further right.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
About consciousness and matter.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Oh yeah, this is where Lillian says.
It gets really interesting.
Bohm postulated thatconsciousness and matter are not
separate, but two aspects of adeeper unified process.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Not separate.
That's huge Challenges.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Basic materialism Totally Lillian states.
This is identical in essence totheosophical thought, which
sees consciousness asfundamental, not just a product
of the brain.
Bohm was basically bringing theseemingly mystical view right
back into the physicsconversation, pushing boundaries
.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Okay.
So this sets the stage forLillian's main argument that
these concepts, once dismissedas mystical, are actually
increasingly aligned withcontemporary scientific theories
.
It's not just analogy, it'sfunctional alignment.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
That's exactly his point.
He's saying modern sciencedigging deeper is bumping into
principles known for ages inesoteric circles.
He gives specific examples,like the idea of planes of
existence.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Right, like astral planes, mental planes, that kind
of thing.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
How does that align with physics?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Well, esoteric traditions talk about these
nested layers from dense matterup to hyperdimensional fields.
Lillian argues they map ontodimensional manifolds in
M-theory or nested frequencydomains in string theory,
m-theory and quantum fielddynamics.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So not like physical places, but more like different
vibrational levels.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Precisely.
Think of them as differentfrequency manifolds or coherent
strata, different channels ofreality, each vibrating at its
own level of organization, itsown coherence.
Not separate locations butlayered frequencies.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Okay, that's a very different way to think about
dimensions.
It makes them much more dynamic.
What about the etheric body,the aura life force idea?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
In esoteric terms, it's the energetic architecture
underlying and sustaining thephysical world, kind of the
first layer down from purepotential structuring,
biological form, vitality,sometimes felt as subtle body
awareness or life force energy.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
And the physics connection.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Lilian aligns it with quantum vacuum energy and the
zero point field.
The idea is this invisibleenergy matrix, the etheric, is
tied into the quantum foamthat's everywhere.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
The zero point field right.
It's moved from the fringe intomore mainstream discussion,
hasn't it?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
It has.
Yeah, the ZPF is defined as thelowest possible energy state in
quantum theory.
Even at absolute zero, spaceisn't empty, it's buzzing with
energy.
Lillian directly identifies theZPF with the esoteric, etheric
substrate of existence.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So the very ground level of quantum energy is the
etheric plane, in his view.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Pretty much In his UCTE framework.
We'll get to that.
He calls the ZPF the surfacefluctuation of the etheric plane
, saturated with latentcoherence.
It's not empty, it's full ofpotential.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
And its significance.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
For Lillian, it's profound.
It's the final harmonicexpression of the coherence
cascade and the outer boundaryof currently measurable physics.
Literally, where the physicalmeets the metaphysical, the
interface.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Wow.
Okay, that grounds these subtleconcepts in something
potentially measurable, at leastat its edge.
Now consciousness, hugesticking point.
Usually, science often sees itas a brain byproduct.
Esotericism is fundamental.
How does Lillian bridge that?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
He totally reframes its role.
Consciousness in his systemreturns not as superstition, but
as a symmetry, coherenceoperator and, crucially, as a
participatory element in shapingreality.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Participatory, like the observer effect in quantum
mechanics, exactly Participatoryelement in shaping reality.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Participatory like the observer effect in quantum
mechanics.
Exactly he says the observereffect parallels esoteric
teachings that consciousnessshapes reality.
In his coherence theory,consciousness isn't a product of
matter.
It is the primary symmetrycoherence operator.
It actively sustains order andresonance.
It shapes the fabric of theuniverse so consciousness
structures reality.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's not just produced by it that changes
everything.
It shapes the fabric of theuniverse.
So consciousness structuresreality.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
It's not just produced by it.
That changes everything.
It's a massive shift.
It implies our awareness isn'tjust watching the show, it's
involved in writing the script,in a way.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Okay, and then there are torsion fields.
These sound interesting.
What are they in this context?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Lillian describes them as topological modulations
within the coherence field.
Think of them like littletwists or vortices in the
underlying energy field, maybecaused by spin.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Quists like eddies in a river.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Sort of they express a relational twist that carries
information non-locally acrosscoherence layers.
They leave vertical imprints inthe etheric medium like
localized patterns ofinformation or energy.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
And what do they do?
What's their role?
Are they like another force?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
He calls them plausible coherence operators.
He thinks they may yet becomethe field operators of the
subtle dimensions, meaning theycould be how information and
energy move through those higherplanes we talked about.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
So not electromagnetism or gravity, but
something else.
Handling subtle information.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
That's the idea.
They're thought to modulatesubtle information beyond
standard forces.
He even suggests they couldpotentially underlie
non-locality telepathy, remotehealing.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Whoa okay, that's a big leap.
Is there any theoreticalphysics basis for this?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Lillian points to the Einstein-Carton theory.
It's a modification of generalrelativity that allows for
spacetime to have torsion, akind of twist related to
intrinsic angular momentum orspin.
So the maths might allow for it, even if it's not mainstream
yet.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Interesting.
Ok, a potential physicalmechanism.
What about the Akashic field?
The cosmic library idea?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Right, the Akasha.
Esoterically, it's thenon-local coherence memory layer
that retains the imprint of allresonance, events, intentions
and field structures, Like aharmonic library of reality.
Everything leaves a trace.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And the modern correlate.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Lillian connects it to quantum memory fields.
He also points out that quantumentanglement echoes hermetic
unity and the Akashic fieldechoes hermetic unity and the
Akashic field.
The way entangled particlesseem linked across space
suggests this kind of non-localinformation storage which
resonates with the Akashicconcept.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Like the universe remembers everything.
Fundamentally, yeah.
Are there other alignments?
He mentions broader patterns.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, briefly, he touches on the seven rays from
theosophy, suggesting theyrelate conceptually to field
symmetry, patterns, fundamentalways energy organizes itself and
sacred geometry.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Like the golden ratio , platonic solids.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Exactly those precise patterns found in nature and
ancient art.
Lillian suggests they'remirrored in the field and
dimensional structures of hisphysics Meaning.
These geometric forms aren'tjust pretty.
They're fundamental to howreality is built, like harmonic
codes.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Okay, so all these connections point towards
coherence as the big unifyingidea.
How does Lillian definecoherence?
It's more than just waves insync, right?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Oh, definitely.
He defines it as thefundamental organizing principle
behind all structure, the stateof unified vibrational
integrity.
But the key is his expandedview.
It's both physical, as in phasealignment like a laser, and
subjective, as in consciousness,presence or harmony.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
So coherence isn't just physics, it's the quality
of organization itself.
Across matter and mind, it'sthe master blueprint.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
That's a good way to put it the master blueprint, the
ultimate organizing principle,the invisible glue holding
reality together, spanningphysical and subjective realms.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Got it and this is central to his big theory, the
HHH-ECR-TOE hypersymmetry,hyperspace, coherence, resonance
theory of everything.
What's the main goal of thisframework?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
It's designed as a new meta-framework specifically
to integrate multidimensionalcoherence, observer function and
sacred geometry.
It ties all these threadstogether.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
And its core ideas.
You mentioned the observer.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Right One key tenet the observer becomes a
meta-operator, reducingcoherence into structure.
Consciousness isn't passive.
It actively collapses potentialinto form, like a cosmic
sculptor shaping reality.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
So our act of observing creates structure.
That's radical.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It is Another idea.
Consciousness is a symmetrycoherence field.
It's not just in our heads,it's a pervasive field,
influencing everything and theetheric body we talked about.
It's recast as the firstprojection from the omnilectic
coherence field, the primaryenergy template for form.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So it brings the subtle body right into the
physics.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Directly.
And the overall goal, Lillianrepeats, is not to dismiss
physics, but to complete it, tomake it whole by bringing back
these missing pieces.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay, completing physics and the HHHCR2 is part
of an even bigger picture.
Right, the UCTE.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That's right.
Ucte, the Unified CoherenceTheory of Everything, is the
umbrella theory.
It extends HHHCR toe to covernot just physics but also
biology, subjectivity, cosmologyand epistemology.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, that's everything Physics, life, mind,
the universe, how we know things.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Exactly.
Its core assertion is thatcoherence dynamics structure all
phenomena, everything from massgeneration to memory to
mystical states, all throughnested resonance and field
interactions.
It's aiming for a trulyholistic explanation of
literally everything, driven bycoherence.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Okay, so let's dive deeper into the architecture
itself, the HHH Thearto, basedon chapter seven of Lillian's
work.
He calls it a paradigm shift.
How does it redefine things?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It shifts the goal of unification Instead of just
unifying forces.
It argues that coherence, notforce alone, is the true basis
of all structure, field andperception.
That's a fundamental change.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Coherence is the primary basis.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, and it aims to restore the role of
consciousness, subjectivity andcoherence vacuum architecture in
generating reality itself,putting mind and the underlying
field back at the center.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Okay, let's walk through the steps of this
Ontological cascade.
He calls it From pure potentialto reality.
Step one the symmetry coherencefield.
What is that?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
He describes it as the undivided field of
pre-dimensional potential, theultimate source.
Imagine a state before anythingexists, before space, time
matter, energy, Pure unity.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
So not nothingness, but pure potential.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Exactly, not nothingness, but rather
hyper-coherent fullness, thegenerative reservoir from which
all things emerge, a zeroentropy, infinite potential
layer, like a boundless blankcanvas of pure unified potential
.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Okay, pure potential.
Step two the coherence vacuumemerges from this, but it's not
empty.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Right.
As the symmetry coherence fieldstarts to differentiate, the
coherence vacuum appears as thefirst structured substrate and,
crucially, not empty.
Lillian calls it an ether, butredefined not a mechanical
medium but a hyperfractalcoherence manifold.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
A hyperfractal coherence manifold.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, it's the first reduction of the omni-coherent
field, still unified, but nowwith a subtle structure.
This is where Lillian saysthings like torsion potentials,
symmetry, attractors and scalarfields are pre-configured.
It's pregnant with potentialstructures.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
And subjectively.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
He connects it to deep meditative absorption, that
feeling of the field beforethought, pure awareness before
concepts arise.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Okay, a structured potential, not a void.
Then step three dimensionalcondensation and hyperfractal
emergence.
How do dimensions pop out ofthis vacuum?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
They do not exist a priori, he says.
They emerge recursively via thecoherence cascade.
They aren't fixed boxes, theyunfold dynamically.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Recursively, like patterns, repeating within
patterns.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Exactly these nested layers form what he calls
hyperfractal dimensions, whichhe claims is a direct match to
esoteric descriptions of thesubtle planes.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So the physical plane , the etheric astral, they're
like frequencies.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Precisely the physical plane condenses at the
lowest frequency of coherence.
Higher planes, like etheric,astral, mental and causal planes
, reflect increasingly subtleresonance fields.
Each plane is a coherencemanifold embedded within a
fractal recursion of nestedfields, different vibrational
layers, not separate places.
It's an alternative to standardmodel dimensions, offering a
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dynamic emergent structure.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Okay, dimensions unfolding like frequencies.
Step four sounds critical.
The meta-operator, what's that?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
He calls it the universal engine of reality.
It's not one thing, but theinterplay of observer function,
asymmetry, resonance andconsciousness.
Symmetry, coherence.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Observer, function and consciousness working
together.
How.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
The observer function acts as a reduction operator,
collapsing or differentiatingpotentials into structured
states, like the logos inesoteric thought, the architect
giving form.
Consciousness, on the otherhand, sustains coherence,
symmetry and resonance.
It's the field of awarenessbeyond reduction, the
ontological sustainer.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And the key is their interaction.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yes, lillian stresses , wherever observation and
coherence interact, the fieldbecomes structured.
Our conscious observationinteracting with the coherent
field is what actually bringsspecific reality into being.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Our participation is literally creative.
Okay, step five Claims ofexistence, etheric structuring
and torsion.
How do the planes actuallyunfold?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
As the meta-operator creates structure, distinct
planes of existence unfold.
The very first to appear is theetheric plane, a scalar phase
template that precedes biology,sensation or form, the energetic
blueprint.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
And within that etheric plane torsion happens.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yes, that's where torsion functions form localized
topological twists that encodememory, intention or field
intelligence.
These aren't just random twists, they carry information.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
And they act like routers.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Exactly.
He calls them coherence routers, directing how information,
phase states and attention flowthrough the nested fields, like
directing traffic on the cosmicinformation highway.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
And how might we see or feel these?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Physically, maybe as spin-generated curvature
anomalies.
Esoterically, as energy knots,chakra vortices or meridian
inflections.
Subjectively, perhaps, as thosemoments of shifts, surges or
directed will when intentionseems to have a tangible effect.
Same principle, differentscales.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Okay, that connects the dots.
Step six the zero-point fieldas etheric echo.
We touched on it, but how doesit fit here at the bottom of the
cascade?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
It's located at the lowest frequency threshold of
the etheric plane and again, nota void but the coherence
residue of higher fields stillpulsing with latent potential.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
The residue like the echo of the higher planes.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Kind of it's the final harmonic expression of the
coherence cascade and the outerboundary of currently
measurable physics.
This is where quantum fieldfluctuations encode the residual
dance of coherence structures.
It's the direct interface wherethe subtle becomes physically
measurable quantum buzz.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
The boundary layer Got it.
And finally, step seven, theculmination Unified coherence
theory and esoteric completion.
What's the ultimate payoff?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
This whole process culminates in UCTE and Lillian
argues.
Ucte doesn't just unify forces,like physics wants.
It unifies states of being,fields of coherence and modes of
subjectivity Much bigger scope.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Unifying everything, really.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
That's the goal, he claims.
Through UCTE, physics regainsits esoteric foundation.
It remembers its roots.
Metaphysics gains experimentalgrounding.
Its ideas become testable.
Potentially and crucially,consciousness is restored as a
primary structuring principle.
It's about healing thathistorical split.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Okay, let's quickly recap that seven-step flow.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
It starts with One, the symmetry coherence field,
pure undivided potential.
Then differentiates into Twothe coherence vacuum, the
redefined hyperfractal etherfull of potential.
From which emerges Dimensionalcondensation, the hyperfractal
cascade creating planes asfrequencies.
Activated by Four the meta-operoperator.
The interplay of consciousnessand observer function
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structuring reality.
Leading to Emergence of planeslike the Etheric, with specific
structures Soon.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Janie.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Six torsion signatures and Etheric patterns
at the coherence routers.
And finally stabilizing down toSeven, the zero point field,
the lowest coherence threshold,the quantum interface From pure
potential to physical reality,all driven by coherence.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
An incredible journey .
This brings us right toLillian's core theme the return
of the sacred in science, acosmological restoration.
He keeps coming back to thatschism.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
He does.
He acknowledges the tremendousinsight and power from empirical
science, of course, but insistsit came at the cost of a
profound schism, cutting tieswith those esoteric roots.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And this return, this convergence we're seeing, he
says it's not luck.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
No, he calls it ontological memory, the return
of the sacred under new names,Like reality itself is pushing
these ideas back into ourawareness.
He even argues the 20th centuryscientific model focused on
fragmentation, reductionism.
Entropy didn't reflect theuniverse itself.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
What did it reflect then?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
He claims it reflected our loss of coherence
with the universe.
Our fractured worldview createda fractured science.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Wow, that's a bold statement.
What were the specificconsequences of this
reductionist view?
According to him, what did welose sight of?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
He lists them out.
The observer was externalized,made separate and objective, not
part of the system.
Matter was reified,consciousness dismissed as just
a brain function, time waslinearized, space stripped of
vitality, becoming just an emptystage.
And, fundamentally, the sacredwas expelled from cosmology.
Purpose, meaning, spirit,removed from the scientific
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picture.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
And he thinks these were choices, not discoveries.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Epistemological choices he calls them, that
shaped our whole view.
The truth, he argues, is thatreality was never mechanistic.
It was always coherent,resonant and alive.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
And now this sacred element is coming back, but
framed differently Not as belief, but as architecture.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Exactly what we once called sacred now reemerges.
Not as belief, but asarchitecture.
Exactly what we once calledsacred now reemerges.
Not as belief, but as coherence, architecture from symbol to
system.
He gives direct translations.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Okay, like what.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
The Akashic record becomes the coherence memory
field.
Phase stable harmonics,information stored non-locally
in vibrations.
The etheric body is the scalartemplate, field zero point
scaffold, the energy blueprintChakras, energy centers are
torsion vortex nodes, phaseresonance loci, points of energy
exchange.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And the planes of existence.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Those are the hyperfactile dimensional
manifolds.
Even something like ritualmagic is reframed as coherence
modulation via symbolicoperators, using symbols to
influence fields Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
And the divine mind.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
That corresponds to the meta-operator structuring
via observer coherence andsacred geometry becomes the
harmonic code templates fordimensional structuring, the
fundamental blueprints.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
So these aren't just metaphors anymore.
He sees them as actualfunctional structures.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
That's his point.
He insists these are not poeticmetaphors, but field structures
that now appear acrossdisciplines Quantum physics,
information theory, evenneuroscience and bioresonance.
He sees the same underlyingpatterns emerging everywhere.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And right at the center of it all again is
consciousness.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Ontological primacy.
It's the foundation.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Absolutely fundamental Under UCTE.
Consciousness is not a productof complexity, but the primal
coherence operator.
It's not an afterthought, it'sthe source.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
He says it precedes form, it sustains fields, it
structures time.
That's incredibly powerful.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
It is.
It's the ground of being itself, enabling everything else.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
How does it operate within UCKE?
What are its roles?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
He outlines them clearly.
In the symmetry coherence fieldit exists as pure unity,
undifferentiated potential.
Through the meta operator, itenters interaction, becoming
active in creation.
Through the observer function,it collapses potential into form
, manifesting reality and,fascinatingly, through ritual
logic, it programs reality viaresonance.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Programs reality using intention and symbols.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
That's the implication.
It's what he calls ontologicalsymmetry, physics, not mysticism
, but the physic of being.
He concludes.
Consciousness is coherence madeaware of itself, the universe
knowing itself through awareness.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Coherence, made aware of itself.
That's beautiful, actually.
So, if this is right, scienceitself becomes a sacred
restoration, a healing process.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
The implications are huge.
Physics becomes about resonance, intention and intelligent
structure, not just particles.
Biology becomes coherencemaintained across nested
membranes, not just code.
Space becomes a coherencemedium capable of memory
transmission and emergence, notjust emptiness.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
It changes the whole feeling of science, makes it
alive and emergence, not justemptiness it changes the whole
feeling of science, makes italive, interconnected Completely
.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Lillian insists UCTE is not an alternative to science
, it is the completion of it.
It restores the sacred byrevealing the deep truths
already encoded in the structureof reality, if we learn to see
again with coherent eyes.
It's about shifting ourperception.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Okay.
So how do we move forward?
What are the practicalapplications he suggests?
How do we move forward?
What are the practicalapplications he suggests?
How do we start seeing withcoherent eyes?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Well, first we need to acknowledge the observer not
as a nuisance but as an operatorof reality.
Structuring Our participationmatters.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
So embrace subjectivity in science.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
In a way, yes, redefine measurement as a form
of coherence, reduction, notcollapse, but participation.
We're involved.
Integrate subjective experienceinto models not as noise but as
signal.
Treat it as valid data.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
That alone is revolutionary for science.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
It is.
Then, explore sacred geometries, harmonic codes and torsion
functions as coherence tools,not fringe but fundamental.
Actively research how thesework, restore ritual symbol myth
as programming languages not ofsuperstition but of scalar
influence.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Programming languages for reality.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
That's the idea.
Understand things like healingintention prayer, not as magic,
but as field modulations, metaoperators of coherence, Ways to
intentionally influence theunderlying structure.
It opens up research into areaspreviously considered
off-limits.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So we've journeyed through quite a landscape here,
from ancient esoteric ideas topotentially cutting-edge physics
, suggesting maybe they'reconverging on one unified
reality.
This dive into Lillian'sesoteric coherence physics
paints a picture where, as hesays, there is no real
separation between physics andmetaphysics, only the veils of
reductionism and the dogmas ofdisconnection.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
It's definitely a powerful and provocative vision.
It suggests that maybe scienceas it gets more sophisticated is
actually circling back tofundamental truths that were
understood differently, perhapsmore intuitively, long ago.
Lillian really challenges us tothink if the answers we're
seeking aren't already here,just obscured by how we've been
taught to look.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
So the final thought for you, listening, is this If
consciousness is a primarystructuring principle, if
reality truly emerges fromcoherence, as Lillian proposes,
what role then do your ownthoughts, your intentions, your
state of awareness play in theworld you experience?
What might it actually mean tosee again with coherent eyes, to
perceive the hidden connectionsand the living patterns that
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Lillian argues form the truearchitecture of reality?
Something to really ponder.
What if the most cutting edge science you know,
the stuff we think is brand newisn't really new at all?
What if it's actuallyrediscovering ancient wisdom,
ideas we might label esoteric?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's a pretty wild thought.
Right Almost feels off limitsto even ask.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Exactly.
But what if the veryfoundations of our science,
deliberately, you know, cutthemselves off from a big part
of their history, leading tothis kind of cosmic amnesia?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Well, that's precisely the core argument in
the work we're diving into today.
It's called Esoteric CoherencePhysics and the Hyperspace
Continuum, by Philip RandolphLillian.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
OK.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And Lillian isn't just like drawing philosophical
parallels.
He's arguing that modernphysics has actively obscured
its roots in esoteric andspiritual traditions.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Actively obscure them .
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, he claims concepts we think are
revolutionary now, things liketorsion fields, quantum
coherence actually have and thisis his phrase longstanding
precedence in occult science.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Wow, okay.
So our mission for this deepdive, then, is to really
rigorously unpack Lillian'sclaim here, really rigorously
unpack Lillian's claim here theidea that, far from
contradicting scientificrationality, these esoteric
insights offer an expandedarchitecture of reality that
completes physics.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Completes physics, not replaces it.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Right.
That's a key distinction.
He's not trying to tear sciencedown, he wants to build on it,
make it whole again.
And he introduces this what isit?
The hypersymmetry, hyperspace,coherence, resonance theory of
everything?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's the one, hhc, artoe for short.
He presents it as a newmeta-framework for unification.
A grand synthesis really Ameta-framework.
What Lillian's proposingessentially is a kind of
cosmological restoration project, Restoration project.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I like that phrasing.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's ambitious.
No doubt he's trying to bringthese, you know, forgotten
dimensions of reality the stuffusually left to mysticism or
philosophy right back into theheart of science.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
So, ok, expect some, maybe some serious aha moments
today, because we're going toconnect some big names in
science history to their, let'ssay, lesser known mystical side,
and we'll try to align modernphysics concepts with these
ancient teachings and really getinto this fascinating idea of
completing physics.
Okay, let's untack this, let'sdo it.
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So Lillian kicks things off byreally challenging how we even
think about science.
He argues that modern science,you know, in its push for
empirical clarity, objectivedata, it deliberately distanced
itself from its metaphysicalorigins.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, and he insists this wasn't just an accident,
like oops, we forgot something.
He claims it was a consciouschoice.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Conscious choice.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
That's his argument, and that this choice led
directly to what he calls amechanistic and incomplete
understanding of the cosmos.
It's like science purposefullycut off a limb, leaving behind a
crucial way of understandingthings.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
That's a strong claim .
Why does he think this splithappened?
Was the esoteric stuff justwrong?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, that's what's interesting.
Lillian says no, it wasn'tabout irrelevance or lack of
validity.
He puts it down to a paltralturn away from inner knowledge.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
A cultural turn.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Right.
As the scientific method gotmore rigid and empirical
observation became king,anything that seemed subjective
or intuitive or spiritual, itgot pushed aside systematically.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So measurement became the only measure of truth,
basically.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Pretty much, he argues.
Science essentially banishedthe soul of the cosmos.
It actively cut ties with theesoteric mysticism, sacred
geometry, asking metaphysicalquestions.
These were dismissed, as youknow.
Irrational, primitive Sciencewanted a purely material,
predictable universe.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Wow, banished the soul of the cosmos.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
That's quite an image , but historically it wasn't
always like that, was it?
Lillian points out that theearliest scientists they were
often mystics themselves.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Exactly.
He stresses that they wereoften bridging the empirical and
the ineffable.
This wasn't just a footnote inhistory.
We're talking a lineage fromlike ancient hermetic arts
through Renaissance alchemy, allthe way to huge figures like
Isaac Newton.
Newton's private work Lilliannotes was deep into what he
calls alchemical theorems.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Alchemical theorems, yeah, and understanding this
history is crucial because itsets up these well surprising
revelations about scientificgiants we thought we knew.
It suggests their biggestinsights might have come from
blending the empirical and theesoteric.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So the strict separation we see now is maybe
relatively recent in the grandscheme of things, that's the
implication.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Lillian reframes the whole history of science
narrative.
It suggests that for a longtime, wanting to understand the
universe holistically, the seenand unseen, physical and
metaphysical, wasn't just common, it was interwoven with science
.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So the idea of a sacred dimension wasn't separate
, it was maybe the motivation.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
In many cases, yes, the framework, even Lillian,
implies that without seeing thatbroader picture, our modern
science is fundamentallyincomplete, like a symphony
missing, you know, half theorchestra.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
OK, and this hidden history brings us to these
figures Lillian calls reluctantmystics, or maybe alchemists of
science, and the first big oneis Isaac Newton.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Right Newton, the guy we associate with gravity,
calculus, laws of motion, theabsolute poster child for
rational science.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, the apple the whole.
Thing.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But Lillian says hold on.
That's only part of the story,maybe not even the most
revealing part.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
It's just the other part.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, lillian digs into Newton's vast parallel
career, a career as a seriousstudent of alchemy, biblical
chronology and divinearchitecture.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Seriously Not just hobbies?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
No, not.
According to Lillian, thousandsof pages of unpublished
writings show systematic study.
And here's the kicker Newton'smasterpiece, the Principia, the
bedrock of classical physics.
Masterpiece, the Principia, thebedrock of classical physics.
Lillian says it was writtenwithin a cosmology that viewed
nature as divinely encoded Whoa,so the physics wasn't separate
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from the divine for him.
Not at all For Newton.
The laws he found weren't justrandom rules.
They were expressions of God'smind, part of a grand divine
design he was trying to figureout.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So his physics was derived from his theology in a
way that flips the script on theusual image of Newton.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Completely.
He wasn't just a physicist, hewas kind of decrypting the
divine blueprint.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
And what about the alchemy and this primal ether
idea?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Right.
Newton believed in a primalether, not empty space, but a
fundamental medium for forces.
It's actually quite resonantwith, you know, modern field
theory and definitely with theesoteric idea of an etheric
plane and the alchemy Lillianargues.
Newton saw it not assuperstition but as a sacred
science of elemental unity, apursuit of coherent
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transformation.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Coherent transformation.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, understanding how elements change and unify.
It was deeply spiritual for him.
Lillian says Newton saw thecosmos as a cosmological
coherence machine where God'smind showed itself through
geometry, proportion, naturallaw.
His physics was basically atheological quest.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I think that's a completely different Newton than
the one in the textbooks.
Mind-blowing, really.
But this thread of thereluctant mystic doesn't stop
there, does it?
Lillian moves on to Einstein.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Albert Einstein.
Yeah, he also gets labeled thereluctant mystic.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Okay, Einstein, relativity, space-time E-M-C-A-O
.
Where does mysticism fit inwith him?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, even Einstein, you know, despite his huge
empirical breakthroughs, hadthis deep, almost spiritual
yearning he longed for a unifiedfield theory, Lillian says, one
that mirrored his intuitivesense of divine order.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So it wasn't just math for him either.
It was about finding cosmicharmony.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Exactly that quest for a single elegant principle
governing everything.
Lillian says it alignsremarkably well with esoteric
models of spiritual unity.
He was looking for thatunderlying oneness.
And Lillian points it alignsremarkably well with esoteric
models of spiritual unity.
He was looking for thatunderlying oneness.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And Lillian points to actual evidence for this right,
Not just interpreting hisfeelings.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
He does.
He highlights Einstein'scorrespondence with Rabindranath
Tagore, the poet andphilosopher.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Oh, I've heard about those conversations.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, they're fascinating.
They apparently show Einstein'sopenness to consciousness as a
participatory element in shapingreality, which is, you know,
pretty far from the detachedobserver idea.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Participatory consciousness.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And his issues with quantum mechanics.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Ah yes, his famous struggle with quantum mechanics,
the probability, the weirdobserver effect.
Lillian argues this dilemmaforeshadows the esoteric
observer problem.
Dilemma foreshadows theesoteric observer problem
Because it raised questions forEinstein about how consciousness
interacts with matter,questions that resonate deeply
with how esoteric traditionshave viewed that relationship
for ages.
He felt something crucial wasmissing from quantum theory,
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something about reality'sfundamental nature.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
So the very puzzles in physics were pushing him
towards these deeper, almostmystical questions.
Okay, and then there's DavidBohm.
Lillian sees him as like themost direct link.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah.
Bohm's work, especially hisidea of the implicate order, is
presented by Lillian as the mostdirect convergence between
modern physics and esotericthought.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
The implicate order Remind me what that is again.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Bohm envisioned it as this deeper, hidden layer of
reality where all things areunfolded in one coherent whole.
Everything is fundamentallyinterconnected, just not
obviously so in our everydayexplicate reality.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Okay, and Lillian connects this to Blavatsky.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Directly he calls Bohm's implicate order a direct
echo of Blavatsky's occult ether.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
The occult ether.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, hp Blavatsky, key figure in theosophy, her
occult ether was this idea of asubtle underlying medium
connecting everything like acosmic blueprint or information
network.
Bohm's Implicate Order providesa kind of physics language for
that.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And Bohm also talked about things like non-locality
and hollow movement.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Right, those sound pretty esoteric, even now they
really do, and Lilliandefinitely makes that connection
.
Bohm's non-locality, howparticles can be instantly
connected across distance, andhollow movement, the idea that
everything's part of thisflowing, undivided whole.
Yeah, lillian says theseresonate strongly with ancient
hermetic concepts of as above sobelow, that idea of patterns
repeating on all scales.
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He also links them to AliceBailey's doctrine of the seven
rays from Theosophy.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Through the seven rays, like fundamental energy
types.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Sort of, yeah, different qualities structuring
reality.
So Bohm's physics, according toLillian, gave a scientific
framework to these old esotericideas about cosmic unity.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And Bohm went even further right.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
About consciousness and matter.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Oh yeah, this is where Lillian says.
It gets really interesting.
Bohm postulated thatconsciousness and matter are not
separate, but two aspects of adeeper unified process.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Not separate.
That's huge Challenges.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Basic materialism Totally Lillian states.
This is identical in essence totheosophical thought, which
sees consciousness asfundamental, not just a product
of the brain.
Bohm was basically bringing theseemingly mystical view right
back into the physicsconversation, pushing boundaries
.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Okay.
So this sets the stage forLillian's main argument that
these concepts, once dismissedas mystical, are actually
increasingly aligned withcontemporary scientific theories
.
It's not just analogy, it'sfunctional alignment.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
That's exactly his point.
He's saying modern sciencedigging deeper is bumping into
principles known for ages inesoteric circles.
He gives specific examples,like the idea of planes of
existence.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Right, like astral planes, mental planes, that kind
of thing.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
How does that align with physics?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Well, esoteric traditions talk about these
nested layers from dense matterup to hyperdimensional fields.
Lillian argues they map ontodimensional manifolds in
M-theory or nested frequencydomains in string theory,
m-theory and quantum fielddynamics.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So not like physical places, but more like different
vibrational levels.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Precisely.
Think of them as differentfrequency manifolds or coherent
strata, different channels ofreality, each vibrating at its
own level of organization, itsown coherence.
Not separate locations butlayered frequencies.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Okay, that's a very different way to think about
dimensions.
It makes them much more dynamic.
What about the etheric body,the aura life force idea?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
In esoteric terms, it's the energetic architecture
underlying and sustaining thephysical world, kind of the
first layer down from purepotential structuring,
biological form, vitality,sometimes felt as subtle body
awareness or life force energy.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
And the physics connection.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Lilian aligns it with quantum vacuum energy and the
zero point field.
The idea is this invisibleenergy matrix, the etheric, is
tied into the quantum foamthat's everywhere.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
The zero point field right.
It's moved from the fringe intomore mainstream discussion,
hasn't it?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
It has.
Yeah, the ZPF is defined as thelowest possible energy state in
quantum theory.
Even at absolute zero, spaceisn't empty, it's buzzing with
energy.
Lillian directly identifies theZPF with the esoteric, etheric
substrate of existence.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So the very ground level of quantum energy is the
etheric plane, in his view.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Pretty much In his UCTE framework.
We'll get to that.
He calls the ZPF the surfacefluctuation of the etheric plane
, saturated with latentcoherence.
It's not empty, it's full ofpotential.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
And its significance.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
For Lillian, it's profound.
It's the final harmonicexpression of the coherence
cascade and the outer boundaryof currently measurable physics.
Literally, where the physicalmeets the metaphysical, the
interface.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Wow.
Okay, that grounds these subtleconcepts in something
potentially measurable, at leastat its edge.
Now consciousness, hugesticking point.
Usually, science often sees itas a brain byproduct.
Esotericism is fundamental.
How does Lillian bridge that?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
He totally reframes its role.
Consciousness in his systemreturns not as superstition, but
as a symmetry, coherenceoperator and, crucially, as a
participatory element in shapingreality.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Participatory, like the observer effect in quantum
mechanics, exactly Participatoryelement in shaping reality.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Participatory like the observer effect in quantum
mechanics.
Exactly he says the observereffect parallels esoteric
teachings that consciousnessshapes reality.
In his coherence theory,consciousness isn't a product of
matter.
It is the primary symmetrycoherence operator.
It actively sustains order andresonance.
It shapes the fabric of theuniverse so consciousness
structures reality.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's not just produced by it that changes
everything.
It shapes the fabric of theuniverse.
So consciousness structuresreality.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
It's not just produced by it.
That changes everything.
It's a massive shift.
It implies our awareness isn'tjust watching the show, it's
involved in writing the script,in a way.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Okay, and then there are torsion fields.
These sound interesting.
What are they in this context?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Lillian describes them as topological modulations
within the coherence field.
Think of them like littletwists or vortices in the
underlying energy field, maybecaused by spin.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Quists like eddies in a river.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Sort of they express a relational twist that carries
information non-locally acrosscoherence layers.
They leave vertical imprints inthe etheric medium like
localized patterns ofinformation or energy.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
And what do they do?
What's their role?
Are they like another force?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
He calls them plausible coherence operators.
He thinks they may yet becomethe field operators of the
subtle dimensions, meaning theycould be how information and
energy move through those higherplanes we talked about.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
So not electromagnetism or gravity, but
something else.
Handling subtle information.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
That's the idea.
They're thought to modulatesubtle information beyond
standard forces.
He even suggests they couldpotentially underlie
non-locality telepathy, remotehealing.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Whoa okay, that's a big leap.
Is there any theoreticalphysics basis for this?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Lillian points to the Einstein-Carton theory.
It's a modification of generalrelativity that allows for
spacetime to have torsion, akind of twist related to
intrinsic angular momentum orspin.
So the maths might allow for it, even if it's not mainstream
yet.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Interesting.
Ok, a potential physicalmechanism.
What about the Akashic field?
The cosmic library idea?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Right, the Akasha.
Esoterically, it's thenon-local coherence memory layer
that retains the imprint of allresonance, events, intentions
and field structures, Like aharmonic library of reality.
Everything leaves a trace.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And the modern correlate.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Lillian connects it to quantum memory fields.
He also points out that quantumentanglement echoes hermetic
unity and the Akashic fieldechoes hermetic unity and the
Akashic field.
The way entangled particlesseem linked across space
suggests this kind of non-localinformation storage which
resonates with the Akashicconcept.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Like the universe remembers everything.
Fundamentally, yeah.
Are there other alignments?
He mentions broader patterns.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, briefly, he touches on the seven rays from
theosophy, suggesting theyrelate conceptually to field
symmetry, patterns, fundamentalways energy organizes itself and
sacred geometry.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Like the golden ratio , platonic solids.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Exactly those precise patterns found in nature and
ancient art.
Lillian suggests they'remirrored in the field and
dimensional structures of hisphysics Meaning.
These geometric forms aren'tjust pretty.
They're fundamental to howreality is built, like harmonic
codes.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Okay, so all these connections point towards
coherence as the big unifyingidea.
How does Lillian definecoherence?
It's more than just waves insync, right?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Oh, definitely.
He defines it as thefundamental organizing principle
behind all structure, the stateof unified vibrational
integrity.
But the key is his expandedview.
It's both physical, as in phasealignment like a laser, and
subjective, as in consciousness,presence or harmony.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
So coherence isn't just physics, it's the quality
of organization itself.
Across matter and mind, it'sthe master blueprint.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
That's a good way to put it the master blueprint, the
ultimate organizing principle,the invisible glue holding
reality together, spanningphysical and subjective realms.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Got it and this is central to his big theory, the
HHH-ECR-TOE hypersymmetry,hyperspace, coherence, resonance
theory of everything.
What's the main goal of thisframework?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
It's designed as a new meta-framework specifically
to integrate multidimensionalcoherence, observer function and
sacred geometry.
It ties all these threadstogether.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
And its core ideas.
You mentioned the observer.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Right One key tenet the observer becomes a
meta-operator, reducingcoherence into structure.
Consciousness isn't passive.
It actively collapses potentialinto form, like a cosmic
sculptor shaping reality.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
So our act of observing creates structure.
That's radical.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It is Another idea.
Consciousness is a symmetrycoherence field.
It's not just in our heads,it's a pervasive field,
influencing everything and theetheric body we talked about.
It's recast as the firstprojection from the omnilectic
coherence field, the primaryenergy template for form.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So it brings the subtle body right into the
physics.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Directly.
And the overall goal, Lillianrepeats, is not to dismiss
physics, but to complete it, tomake it whole by bringing back
these missing pieces.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay, completing physics and the HHHCR2 is part
of an even bigger picture.
Right, the UCTE.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That's right.
Ucte, the Unified CoherenceTheory of Everything, is the
umbrella theory.
It extends HHHCR toe to covernot just physics but also
biology, subjectivity, cosmologyand epistemology.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, that's everything Physics, life, mind,
the universe, how we know things.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Exactly.
Its core assertion is thatcoherence dynamics structure all
phenomena, everything from massgeneration to memory to
mystical states, all throughnested resonance and field
interactions.
It's aiming for a trulyholistic explanation of
literally everything, driven bycoherence.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Okay, so let's dive deeper into the architecture
itself, the HHH Thearto, basedon chapter seven of Lillian's
work.
He calls it a paradigm shift.
How does it redefine things?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It shifts the goal of unification Instead of just
unifying forces.
It argues that coherence, notforce alone, is the true basis
of all structure, field andperception.
That's a fundamental change.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Coherence is the primary basis.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, and it aims to restore the role of
consciousness, subjectivity andcoherence vacuum architecture in
generating reality itself,putting mind and the underlying
field back at the center.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Okay, let's walk through the steps of this
Ontological cascade.
He calls it From pure potentialto reality.
Step one the symmetry coherencefield.
What is that?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
He describes it as the undivided field of
pre-dimensional potential, theultimate source.
Imagine a state before anythingexists, before space, time
matter, energy, Pure unity.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
So not nothingness, but pure potential.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Exactly, not nothingness, but rather
hyper-coherent fullness, thegenerative reservoir from which
all things emerge, a zeroentropy, infinite potential
layer, like a boundless blankcanvas of pure unified potential
.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Okay, pure potential.
Step two the coherence vacuumemerges from this, but it's not
empty.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Right.
As the symmetry coherence fieldstarts to differentiate, the
coherence vacuum appears as thefirst structured substrate and,
crucially, not empty.
Lillian calls it an ether, butredefined not a mechanical
medium but a hyperfractalcoherence manifold.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
A hyperfractal coherence manifold.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, it's the first reduction of the omni-coherent
field, still unified, but nowwith a subtle structure.
This is where Lillian saysthings like torsion potentials,
symmetry, attractors and scalarfields are pre-configured.
It's pregnant with potentialstructures.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
And subjectively.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
He connects it to deep meditative absorption, that
feeling of the field beforethought, pure awareness before
concepts arise.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Okay, a structured potential, not a void.
Then step three dimensionalcondensation and hyperfractal
emergence.
How do dimensions pop out ofthis vacuum?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
They do not exist a priori, he says.
They emerge recursively via thecoherence cascade.
They aren't fixed boxes, theyunfold dynamically.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Recursively, like patterns, repeating within
patterns.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Exactly these nested layers form what he calls
hyperfractal dimensions, whichhe claims is a direct match to
esoteric descriptions of thesubtle planes.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So the physical plane , the etheric astral, they're
like frequencies.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Precisely the physical plane condenses at the
lowest frequency of coherence.
Higher planes, like etheric,astral, mental and causal planes
, reflect increasingly subtleresonance fields.
Each plane is a coherencemanifold embedded within a
fractal recursion of nestedfields, different vibrational
layers, not separate places.
It's an alternative to standardmodel dimensions, offering a
(22:07):
dynamic emergent structure.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Okay, dimensions unfolding like frequencies.
Step four sounds critical.
The meta-operator, what's that?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
He calls it the universal engine of reality.
It's not one thing, but theinterplay of observer function,
asymmetry, resonance andconsciousness.
Symmetry, coherence.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Observer, function and consciousness working
together.
How.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
The observer function acts as a reduction operator,
collapsing or differentiatingpotentials into structured
states, like the logos inesoteric thought, the architect
giving form.
Consciousness, on the otherhand, sustains coherence,
symmetry and resonance.
It's the field of awarenessbeyond reduction, the
ontological sustainer.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And the key is their interaction.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yes, lillian stresses , wherever observation and
coherence interact, the fieldbecomes structured.
Our conscious observationinteracting with the coherent
field is what actually bringsspecific reality into being.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Our participation is literally creative.
Okay, step five Claims ofexistence, etheric structuring
and torsion.
How do the planes actuallyunfold?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
As the meta-operator creates structure, distinct
planes of existence unfold.
The very first to appear is theetheric plane, a scalar phase
template that precedes biology,sensation or form, the energetic
blueprint.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
And within that etheric plane torsion happens.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yes, that's where torsion functions form localized
topological twists that encodememory, intention or field
intelligence.
These aren't just random twists, they carry information.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
And they act like routers.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Exactly.
He calls them coherence routers, directing how information,
phase states and attention flowthrough the nested fields, like
directing traffic on the cosmicinformation highway.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
And how might we see or feel these?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Physically, maybe as spin-generated curvature
anomalies.
Esoterically, as energy knots,chakra vortices or meridian
inflections.
Subjectively, perhaps, as thosemoments of shifts, surges or
directed will when intentionseems to have a tangible effect.
Same principle, differentscales.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Okay, that connects the dots.
Step six the zero-point fieldas etheric echo.
We touched on it, but how doesit fit here at the bottom of the
cascade?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
It's located at the lowest frequency threshold of
the etheric plane and again, nota void but the coherence
residue of higher fields stillpulsing with latent potential.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
The residue like the echo of the higher planes.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Kind of it's the final harmonic expression of the
coherence cascade and the outerboundary of currently
measurable physics.
This is where quantum fieldfluctuations encode the residual
dance of coherence structures.
It's the direct interface wherethe subtle becomes physically
measurable quantum buzz.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
The boundary layer Got it.
And finally, step seven, theculmination Unified coherence
theory and esoteric completion.
What's the ultimate payoff?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
This whole process culminates in UCTE and Lillian
argues.
Ucte doesn't just unify forces,like physics wants.
It unifies states of being,fields of coherence and modes of
subjectivity Much bigger scope.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Unifying everything, really.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
That's the goal, he claims.
Through UCTE, physics regainsits esoteric foundation.
It remembers its roots.
Metaphysics gains experimentalgrounding.
Its ideas become testable.
Potentially and crucially,consciousness is restored as a
primary structuring principle.
It's about healing thathistorical split.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Okay, let's quickly recap that seven-step flow.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
It starts with One, the symmetry coherence field,
pure undivided potential.
Then differentiates into Twothe coherence vacuum, the
redefined hyperfractal etherfull of potential.
From which emerges Dimensionalcondensation, the hyperfractal
cascade creating planes asfrequencies.
Activated by Four the meta-operoperator.
The interplay of consciousnessand observer function
(25:49):
structuring reality.
Leading to Emergence of planeslike the Etheric, with specific
structures Soon.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Janie.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Six torsion signatures and Etheric patterns
at the coherence routers.
And finally stabilizing down toSeven, the zero point field,
the lowest coherence threshold,the quantum interface From pure
potential to physical reality,all driven by coherence.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
An incredible journey .
This brings us right toLillian's core theme the return
of the sacred in science, acosmological restoration.
He keeps coming back to thatschism.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
He does.
He acknowledges the tremendousinsight and power from empirical
science, of course, but insistsit came at the cost of a
profound schism, cutting tieswith those esoteric roots.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And this return, this convergence we're seeing, he
says it's not luck.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
No, he calls it ontological memory, the return
of the sacred under new names,Like reality itself is pushing
these ideas back into ourawareness.
He even argues the 20th centuryscientific model focused on
fragmentation, reductionism.
Entropy didn't reflect theuniverse itself.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
What did it reflect then?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
He claims it reflected our loss of coherence
with the universe.
Our fractured worldview createda fractured science.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Wow, that's a bold statement.
What were the specificconsequences of this
reductionist view?
According to him, what did welose sight of?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
He lists them out.
The observer was externalized,made separate and objective, not
part of the system.
Matter was reified,consciousness dismissed as just
a brain function, time waslinearized, space stripped of
vitality, becoming just an emptystage.
And, fundamentally, the sacredwas expelled from cosmology.
Purpose, meaning, spirit,removed from the scientific
(27:26):
picture.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
And he thinks these were choices, not discoveries.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Epistemological choices he calls them, that
shaped our whole view.
The truth, he argues, is thatreality was never mechanistic.
It was always coherent,resonant and alive.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
And now this sacred element is coming back, but
framed differently Not as belief, but as architecture.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Exactly what we once called sacred now reemerges.
Not as belief, but asarchitecture.
Exactly what we once calledsacred now reemerges.
Not as belief, but as coherence, architecture from symbol to
system.
He gives direct translations.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Okay, like what.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
The Akashic record becomes the coherence memory
field.
Phase stable harmonics,information stored non-locally
in vibrations.
The etheric body is the scalartemplate, field zero point
scaffold, the energy blueprintChakras, energy centers are
torsion vortex nodes, phaseresonance loci, points of energy
exchange.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And the planes of existence.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Those are the hyperfactile dimensional
manifolds.
Even something like ritualmagic is reframed as coherence
modulation via symbolicoperators, using symbols to
influence fields Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
And the divine mind.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
That corresponds to the meta-operator structuring
via observer coherence andsacred geometry becomes the
harmonic code templates fordimensional structuring, the
fundamental blueprints.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
So these aren't just metaphors anymore.
He sees them as actualfunctional structures.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
That's his point.
He insists these are not poeticmetaphors, but field structures
that now appear acrossdisciplines Quantum physics,
information theory, evenneuroscience and bioresonance.
He sees the same underlyingpatterns emerging everywhere.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And right at the center of it all again is
consciousness.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Ontological primacy.
It's the foundation.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Absolutely fundamental Under UCTE.
Consciousness is not a productof complexity, but the primal
coherence operator.
It's not an afterthought, it'sthe source.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
He says it precedes form, it sustains fields, it
structures time.
That's incredibly powerful.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
It is.
It's the ground of being itself, enabling everything else.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
How does it operate within UCKE?
What are its roles?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
He outlines them clearly.
In the symmetry coherence fieldit exists as pure unity,
undifferentiated potential.
Through the meta operator, itenters interaction, becoming
active in creation.
Through the observer function,it collapses potential into form
, manifesting reality and,fascinatingly, through ritual
logic, it programs reality viaresonance.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Programs reality using intention and symbols.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
That's the implication.
It's what he calls ontologicalsymmetry, physics, not mysticism
, but the physic of being.
He concludes.
Consciousness is coherence madeaware of itself, the universe
knowing itself through awareness.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Coherence, made aware of itself.
That's beautiful, actually.
So, if this is right, scienceitself becomes a sacred
restoration, a healing process.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
The implications are huge.
Physics becomes about resonance, intention and intelligent
structure, not just particles.
Biology becomes coherencemaintained across nested
membranes, not just code.
Space becomes a coherencemedium capable of memory
transmission and emergence, notjust emptiness.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
It changes the whole feeling of science, makes it
alive and emergence, not justemptiness it changes the whole
feeling of science, makes italive, interconnected Completely
.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Lillian insists UCTE is not an alternative to science
, it is the completion of it.
It restores the sacred byrevealing the deep truths
already encoded in the structureof reality, if we learn to see
again with coherent eyes.
It's about shifting ourperception.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Okay.
So how do we move forward?
What are the practicalapplications he suggests?
How do we move forward?
What are the practicalapplications he suggests?
How do we start seeing withcoherent eyes?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Well, first we need to acknowledge the observer not
as a nuisance but as an operatorof reality.
Structuring Our participationmatters.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
So embrace subjectivity in science.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
In a way, yes, redefine measurement as a form
of coherence, reduction, notcollapse, but participation.
We're involved.
Integrate subjective experienceinto models not as noise but as
signal.
Treat it as valid data.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
That alone is revolutionary for science.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
It is.
Then, explore sacred geometries, harmonic codes and torsion
functions as coherence tools,not fringe but fundamental.
Actively research how thesework, restore ritual symbol myth
as programming languages not ofsuperstition but of scalar
influence.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Programming languages for reality.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
That's the idea.
Understand things like healingintention prayer, not as magic,
but as field modulations, metaoperators of coherence, Ways to
intentionally influence theunderlying structure.
It opens up research into areaspreviously considered
off-limits.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So we've journeyed through quite a landscape here,
from ancient esoteric ideas topotentially cutting-edge physics
, suggesting maybe they'reconverging on one unified
reality.
This dive into Lillian'sesoteric coherence physics
paints a picture where, as hesays, there is no real
separation between physics andmetaphysics, only the veils of
reductionism and the dogmas ofdisconnection.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
It's definitely a powerful and provocative vision.
It suggests that maybe scienceas it gets more sophisticated is
actually circling back tofundamental truths that were
understood differently, perhapsmore intuitively, long ago.
Lillian really challenges us tothink if the answers we're
seeking aren't already here,just obscured by how we've been
taught to look.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
So the final thought for you, listening, is this If
consciousness is a primarystructuring principle, if
reality truly emerges fromcoherence, as Lillian proposes,
what role then do your ownthoughts, your intentions, your
state of awareness play in theworld you experience?
What might it actually mean tosee again with coherent eyes, to
perceive the hidden connectionsand the living patterns that
(32:52):
Lillian argues form the truearchitecture of reality?
Something to really ponder.
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