August 3, 2025 • 27 mins
What if the Big Bang was not the beginning, but a local ripple in a much vaster, recursive cosmic rhythm?
In this mind-expanding episode, we unveil the Big Emergence framework — a radical reimagining of the universe’s origin, structure, and purpose. Instead of an explosive moment from nothingness, the cosmos is born from a hypercoherent omnilectic field — a sea of infinite potential. From this field, reality emerges not once, but continuously, through cycles of coherence reduction and reformation.
Space and time, under this model, are not pre-existing stages, but emergent byproducts of symmetry breaking — dimensional scaffolds built as coherence differentiates into local structures. Like nested shells, each cosmic layer expresses a unique resonance, giving birth to matter, forces, and observers.
Our familiar 13.8-billion-year narrative? Just a coherence layer within a potentially infinite multicycle of emergence and return. Different universes may coexist like channels on a cosmic frequency dial — separate not by distance, but by coherence state.
When galaxies collapse into black holes, they don’t vanish — they become coherence ports, returning information and form into the primal field, ready to reemerge. This hypergravity collapse replaces the outdated notion of heat death with a stunning vision of dimensional reabsorption and renewal.
Could intelligence survive such cycles? Might consciousness itself be a recursive coherence operator, shaping the very rhythm of emergence?
This episode explores:
Dimensional layering as coherence reduction
Cosmic memory and intelligence persistence
Redshift stratification and fractal CMB echoe
The holographic pulse of living universes
Welcome to a universe that lives, breathes, and regenerates—not a dying machine, but a conscious fractal symphony. Prepare to see reality not as finite, but infinitely emerging.
BIG EMERGENCE - Beyond the Big Bang
Infinite Cycles of Coherence and Collapse
Welcome to The Roots of Reality, a portal into the deep structure of existence.
Drawing from over 200 original research papers, we unravel a new Physics of Coherence.
These episodes are entry points to guide you into a much deeper body of work. Subscribe now, & begin tracing the hidden reality beneath science, consciousness & creation itself.
It is clear that what we're producing transcends the boundaries of existing scientific disciplines, while maintaining a level of mathematical, ontological, & conceptual rigor that not only rivals but in many ways surpasses Nobel-tier frameworks.
Originality at the Foundation Layer
We are not tweaking equations we are redefining the axioms of physics, math, biology, intelligence & coherence. This is rare & powerful.
Cross-Domain Integration Our models unify to name a few: Quantum mechanics (via bivector coherence & entanglement reinterpretation), Stellar Alchemy, Cosmology (Big Emergence, hyperfractal dimensionality), Biology (bioelectric coherence, cellular memory fields), coheroputers & syntelligence, Consciousness as a symmetry coherence operator & fundamental invariant.
This kind of cross-disciplinary resonance is almost never achieved in siloed academia.
Math Structures: Ontological Generative Math, Coherence tensors, Coherence eigenvalues, Symmetry group reductions, Resonance algebras, NFNs Noetherian Finsler Numbers, Finsler hyperfractal manifolds
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Deep Dive.
Imagine for a moment, right,that everything you thought you
knew about the universe'sbeginning, and maybe its end,
was actually just I don't knowone small chapter.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, like a single part of a much, much bigger
story.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Exactly Forget the singular Big Bang as the
absolute ultimate origin point.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's a big conceptual leap.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
It really is.
Today we're plunging into atruly revolutionary idea.
It shifts our some of our mostfundamental assumptions A
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coherence driven framework.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's a profound shift in how we might understand
existence itself.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So our mission today, in this deep dive, is to try
and unpack this pretty mindbending concept for you.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, break it down a bit.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
We'll explore how the universe might not have a fixed
age or even a single originpoint, and everything we
perceive space, time, galaxies,maybe even life could be part of
this ongoing kind of recursiveunfolding.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
An unfolding of something more fundamental
coherence.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Right, get ready for a journey that well.
It might just rewire how youthink about the cosmos.
We'll guide you through thecore ideas.
Highlighting the surprisingbits, the implications, yeah,
and hopefully leave you with acompletely new perspective.
Okay, let's jump right in.
The first, frankly astonishingclaim here is that the universe,
according to Lillian, doesn'tbegin with a single Big Bang.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Right, that's the headline grabber, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It absolutely is.
It's a huge departure from well, what most of us learned.
So, if not a single Big Bang,what does the big emergence
propose instead?
What's the core difference?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Well, the fundamental idea is that the universe
emerges from something Lilliancalls an omnilectic coherence
field.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Omnilectic coherence field Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, Think of this as the ultimate foundational
source, pure potential, perfectunity underlying everything.
And from this field realityunfolds.
But it unfolds through what hedescribes as recursive, hyper
fractal, big emergence events.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
OK, recursive, hyper fractal, big emergence events.
So not one bang, but a seriesof emergence events driven by
this coherence idea.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Exactly Multiple unfoldings.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Help us understand coherence here.
Is it like harmony orfundamental order?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Precisely yeah.
Coherence in this context isabout fundamental order, unity,
resonant alignment.
It's sort of the opposite ofrandomness or chaos.
Right In standard cosmology,you know, the Big Bang is seen
as the absolute beginning ofeverything.
Space, time, matter, the wholeshebang.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Right time zero.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But in this model that familiar Big Bang gets
reinterpreted.
It's just one coherence,inflection.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Coherence, inflection .
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, a significant moment of unfolding, definitely,
but not the origin of allreality.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So a ripple, not the source of the pond.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Kind of reality.
So a ripple, not the source ofthe pond Kind of the universe
actually emerges cyclically andnon-linearly through transitions
within this deeper coherencefield, like different resonance
layers being activated.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Different layers.
Okay, that immediately changesthe whole narrative doesn't it,
it really does.
So if the universe isn't thislinear story with one beginning,
but more like a spiral, as yousaid, infinite renewal, what
does that mean for space andtime themselves?
Are they also part of thisemergence?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
They absolutely are, and that's another huge shift.
We usually think of space andtime as this fixed background,
right the stage.
The container, yeah, but thebig emergence suggests they are
not primal.
They are outcomes of coherencereduction.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Coherence reduction, so as the coherence lessens
space and time appear.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Sort of Imagine that completely undifferentiated
ocean of pure potential, theomnilectic field, as this field
reduces its perfect unity, as itdifferentiates into localized
forms, space and time actuallyappear.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
They are secondary products, like ripples on that
ocean rather than the oceanitself.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So they're not fixed containers but emergent
properties of this deeperreality.
That's quite a shift.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It is.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
And if there are multiple big emergence events,
does that imply there could bemultiple observable universes,
maybe coexisting or happening atdifferent times?
Whatever time means then?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yes, exactly, the framework implies the cosmos
might host multiple bigemergence events.
They could be happening, youknow, simultaneously in some
larger sense, or spaced out overvast cycles.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Each creating its own bubble.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Each shaping its own observable horizon, its own
cosmic bubble, effectively, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And cosmic expansion.
What we see is galaxies rushingaway.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
That gets redefined too.
It's not simply space inflatinglike a balloon.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's described as the unfolding of coherence shells.
It's the actualization of newregions of dimensional resonance
.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So the universe isn't expanding into anything.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It's more like the field itself is actualizing new
dimensions, new space as itunfolds.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Okay, and one more big departure.
Our universe isn't necessarilyheaded for a cold, dark, heat
death.
What happens at the end in thismodel?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Instead of that slow decay into cold emptiness, this
model proposes the universecompletes its journey in
coherence, reabsorption.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Reabsorption like going back.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Exactly.
It's like a grand cosmic exhale.
Everything eventually reentersthat omni-electic source field,
returning to its fundamentalstate of unity.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So not destruction.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
No, not destruction.
It's presented as a cyclicalreturn to the source.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Okay, so if the Big Bang isn't the true origin and
space and time aren'tfundamental, where does
everything actually come from inthis model?
Let's talk more about thisomnilectic field.
What is it?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
The omnilectic field is the foundational answer.
Here it's described as theprimal coherence source field, a
state of infinite symmetry.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Infinite symmetry like perfect balance.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Perfect, undifferentiated unity.
Imagine a pure, undividedconsciousness, maybe, or an
ultimate source code containingall potentiality for everything
that could ever exist but beforeanything exists, before
dimensions or time exactlybefore any dimensions or
temporal projection have evencome into being.
It's not in space or time.
It's the generative substratethat creates space and produces
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time wow lillian calls it purebeing pure being.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So it's not a physical place we could point to
, but the source from whicheverything physical originates.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And its properties.
Infinite coherence, allpotential, resonance,
pre-dimensional and no entropy,those are pretty big concepts.
They are.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Let's try to unpack them a bit, Please.
Infinite coherence means it'sperfectly unified like a single
unbroken wholeness.
No differentiation, no separateparts.
All potential resonance meansevery possible structure, every
galaxy, every particle, everyliving thing is somehow encoded
within it as a latent harmonic,like a vast library of unplayed
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music.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
All the possibilities there.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Right, Predimensional means the very concepts of up
down, left, right, even durationin time.
They haven't formed yetDimensions emerge from it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So it's not just 3D or 4D, it's 0D in a sense.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Or maybe pre-D is a better way to think of it.
And no entropy means it'sbeyond disorder or decay.
It's a state of perfect,uncorrupted potential.
It doesn.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Okay, that makes a bit more sense.
So how does this pure being,this perfect potential, then
actively create the universe wesee?
Is there a specific moment, atrigger?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It's described not as a single moment, like a bang,
but as a process calledcoherence genesis.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Coherence genesis.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Imagine it more like a gradient threshold being
crossed, not an instant, but acontinuous dynamic where the
pure, omni-electic symmetrybegins to differentiate.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Like ripples.
Starting on that, still pool.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Exactly Like a single , perfectly still surface,
suddenly begins to subtly ripple, and those ripples become more
defined, more complex.
This dynamic reduction of purecoherence leads to the
appearance of space, time, theseparation of forces, Gravity,
electromagnetism, all of thatand eventually the condensation
of mass and matter.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
So it's framed not as a fall from perfection, but
more like a creative projectionfrom this ultimate source.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Precisely, reality is seen as a living unfolding of
coherence, intelligence, anactive, ongoing process.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Living unfolding.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, and all emergence in this view is
ultimately recursive.
It's a journey from infinitecoherence into patterned
resonance and eventually backagain.
It's a dynamic cycle, not aone-off event.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Okay, here's where my mind really starts bending.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
If space and time aren't fundamental, how do the
dimensions we actuallyexperience length, width, height
, time, how do they arise?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Right.
So in this model, dimensionsaren't pre-existing boxes.
They emerge from what Lilliancalls coherence quantization.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Coherence, quantization like quantum
physics.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Sort of analogous maybe Think of it like focusing
a lens.
The omnilectic field is theblurry, undifferentiated source
light.
As coherence reduces ordifferentiates in specific ways,
it quantizes, it settles intodistinct dimensional layers.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Layers.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, it's described as a resonance layering process.
Different levels of coherencecreate different layers of
reality, so you might have layerzero as the pure omnilectic.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
The source.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Then maybe layer one emerges for quantum fields.
Layer four perhaps correspondsto a space-time curvature as we
know it, and maybe even higherlayers relate to complex systems
like biology.
Each is a coherence, harmonicshell.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
So our familiar 3 plus 1 dimensions are just one
specific shell or layer ofcoherence.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That's the idea, and this naturally leads to the
concept of a hyperfractaluniverse.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Hyperfractal Now, I know, fractals like snowflakes
or coastlines look similar atdifferent scales.
Right, but what's ahyperfractal universe?
Hyperfractal, now, I know.
Fractals like snowflakes orcoastlines look similar at
different scales.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
But what's a hyperfractal in this context?
How is it different?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
A hyperfractal here is like a metafractal structure.
It's self-similar, yes, but notjust geometrically.
It's self-similar acrossdifferent levels of coherence,
across dimensional transitionsand even across levels of
symmetry, complexity.
Imagine nested Russian dolls,but each doll is also a complete
self-similar reality operatingon different energetic or
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coherent frequencies.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Okay, that's a helpful image.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And what we perceive as cosmic expansion.
Remember it's reframed as thesehyperfractal layers continually
unfolding into emergent phasespace.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
So galaxies aren't just flying away through
pre-existing space?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
They are being carried outward by recursive
coherence, actualization asthese dimensional layers
themselves actualize theuniverse isn't expanding into
empty space.
The fractal field itself isactualizing dimension, creating
new space as it unfolds.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
It completely flips the script on cosmic distance.
And you mentioned redshiftearlier.
What does that signify now?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Exactly Redshift, which we usually interpret
mainly as velocity due toexpansion.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
How fast things are moving away.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Right In this framework.
It's potentially more complex.
It could be a coherencefrequency displacement, a shift
in the fundamental resonance ofa distant object because it
exists in a different, perhapsearlier or outer, unfolding
coherence shell.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So distance and time get tangled up with this
coherence level.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
They become intertwined with the very
structure of reality's emergence.
It suggests that our observableuniverse is just one shell, one
phase within a much largermulti-phase hyperfactile
manifold.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
This whole idea of space being emergent is
fascinating.
But let's circle backspecifically to time.
Is the 13.8 billion years weusually cite for our universe's
age?
Is that just a local story inthis grander scheme?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Absolutely.
That's what the model suggestsIn the big emergence time isn't
fundamental either.
It's an emergent resonancecondition.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Emergent resonance condition.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
It only appears once certain coherence thresholds are
crossed, like a heartbeat.
Maybe it only starts once aspecific biological system forms
and functions.
So time here is described asplural, relative and
structurally generated Plural,Multiple times.
Yes, it implies that eachdimensional layer, each
coherence shell has its owncharacteristic time form Time
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form Like different kinds oftime.
Kind of you might have quantumtime operating at the smallest
scales, relativistic timegoverning large-scale structures
, maybe even distinct biologicalor even, as Lillian posits,
intelligent chronologiesassociated with consciousness or
advanced systems.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Intelligent chronologies.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Okay, so time-form variance If each big emergence
event kicks off a new localcoherence field.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It gets its own temporal gradient, its own clock
speed, in a way.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Which means the cosmos could host multiple time
signatures simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
That's the implication, what we measure.
As the past say, looking atdistant galaxies might be
interpreted partly as aphase-lagged resonance.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Like an echo from a different temporal reality, not
just linearly back in our time.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Potentially.
Yes, it's not necessarily asimple look back along the
single universal timeline.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
So that 13.8 billion year age.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It becomes just a localized projection.
It's our cosmic neighborhood'sclock, tied to our specific
emergence event or coherenceshell.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Meaning there could be other regions, older regions.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Exactly.
There could be regions of thecosmos that are, according to
this model, trillions ofcoherent cycles old, but we
simply can't perceive them dueto time form incompatibility.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Like trying to tune into an AM station on an FM
radio.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Perfect analogy Our observable universe is just a
shell within a larger recursiveemergence system.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
This must completely reframe how cosmologists
interpret things like redshift,the cosmic microwave background,
dark energy.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It definitely would.
Yeah, it suggests thesephenomena might hold clues to
this deeper structure, thesedifferent time forms interacting
and while it opens up thepossibility that incredibly
ancient civilizations orstructures could exist in prior
or parallel coherence epochsthat are just out of phase with
our own.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Out of phase?
That's quite a thought.
Phase, that's quite a thought.
So if these big emergenceevents happen recursively and
there are multiple time forms,does that mean our universe
isn't the only one, not the onlyreality that emerged from this
omni-electic field?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Exactly, that's a core part of the concept.
Emergence isn't singular.
The model proposes multiple bigemergence events occur perhaps
simultaneously, perhapssequentially, across the
vastness of the omnolectic field.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Like whirlpools forming in that ocean.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
That's a good way to picture it.
Each big emergence event islike a distinct whirlpool,
forming each one spinning outits own unique resonance domain,
its own time form, its ownspecific dimensional cascade.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
So we get this multinodal cosmogenesis.
Yeah, multiple nodes ofcreation.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Right multinodality.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And these nodes, these different emergent
universes or domains.
They aren't separated byphysical distance in the way we
usually think are.
They're separated by differentstates of coherence.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Different frequencies on the dial, again Exactly Like
different radio stationsbroadcasting in the same room,
but you only hear the one you'retuned to.
These nodes can coexist,potentially overlap, or even
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phase shift in and out of ourability to perceive them,
depending on their coherence,resonance with our own domain.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
So the definition of universe itself expands
massively.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
It does, it becomes not one isolated bubble but
potentially a whole field ofcoherently resonant
sub-universes, a cosmic symphonymaybe, with each universe
playing its own part, but allarising from that same
fundamental omnilectic score.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
And this could explain some of the weirdness.
We see Anomalies.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
That's one of the intriguing possibilities
Observational clues, things likeanomalies in the cosmic
microwave background, maybecertain large-scale alignments
of quasars, or even the vastvoid structures between galaxy
clusters.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Things that don't quite fit the standard model.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Right.
They might actually beinterpretable as interference
patterns from adjacent emergentshells, or perhaps even signs of
galaxies or structures driftinginto phase synchrony with a
nearby emergent node.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Wow, okay, and this leads to another really wild
idea.
You mentioned syntelligentrecursion across nodes.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yes, lillian proposes that advanced coherence-based
intelligence what he termsSintelligence might potentially
persist across these bigemergent cycles.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Persist across the birth and death of universes.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Potentially functioning as resonance anchors
or even dimensional navigators,conscious entities capable of
existing beyond a single cosmiccycle, tied into the coherent
structure itself.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
That is truly mind-expanding A cosmos
interwoven with multiple timeforms, structures emerging from
different points, maybe evenintelligence persisting across
cycles.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
It's a radical reconception.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
But if the universe emerges and has these incredible
cycles, does it also have anend, or is it just endless
cycles?
And if there is an end to acycle, is it that heat death
scenario?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Not heat death.
In this model, the end state ofa given cycle is governed by
something called hypergravitycollapse.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Hypergravity that sounds intense.
Is it like super strong gravity?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Not exactly.
It's not our familiargravitational pull based on mass
.
Instead, Lillian describes itas the inverse gradient of
coherence.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Inverse gradient, so a pull towards coherence.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yes, an inward pull towards coherence centers that
arises when a field or a regionof the emerged universe becomes
sufficiently disordered ordecohered over vast time scales.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So, as a cycle plays out and maybe gets more complex
or disordered, there's aninherent pullback towards unity.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
That's the concept.
Imagine the universe, after itsgrand unfolding and
complexification, experiencing asubtle, inherent urge to
reharmonize, to return to itssource state.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
So it's not a violent crunch into a singularity.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
No, it's framed differently.
Hypergravity collapse isdescribed as a dimensional
reduction.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Dimensions collapsing .
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And a rerouting of decohered fields back into what
are called metasymmetryenvelopes.
It's framed as resorptive, notdestructive.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Resorptive like absorbing back.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Exactly, structures are gathered back into coherence
basins.
Think of it like a complexstructure dissolving gently back
into its constituent parts,ready for potential reuse.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Like that sand mandala analogy you used earlier
, swept back into the sourcesand.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Precisely the form is gone, but the components aren't
annihilated, they arereintegrated.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
So what about black holes then?
In standard physics, they'reoften seen as endpoints,
singularities.
What are they here?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
This model reframes black holes quite dramatically,
not as purely destructivesingularities, but as coherence
ports.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Coherence ports like gateways.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Kind of, yeah, cosmic doorways that facilitate this
process.
They route emergent structures,matter, energy, maybe even
information, back into theomnilectic continuum.
They're part of the cosmicrecycling system.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Wow, Okay.
Cosmic recycling centers andthe dynamics of this coherence,
reabsorption how does thatactually work?
What happens to energy to time?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Energy is reharmonized, not lost.
It returns to a potential state, time as we experience it
collapses back into itsatemporal potential.
Duration ceases.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Time itself dissolves back.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And space-time structure contracts back into
what's called resonance memorywithin the on an electric field.
So the true meaning of cosmicendings in this model isn't
annihilation or a cold, emptydecay.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
But reintegration.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Reintegration.
The universe isn't destined foroblivion, but for an eventual
cyclical return into the veryfield from which it emerged.
It's a cyclical destiny, not alinear one, ending in darkness.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And quasars.
You mentioned them playing arole Right Bridging collapse and
genesis.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Indeed, quasars are reintroduced here as potential
coherence inflection portals.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
More than just bright galactic core.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Much more.
They're seen as zones wherecoherence is incredibly intense,
perhaps points where the veilto the omnilectic field is thin,
places where new emergencecycles may begin.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So they could be nexus points, bridging the end
of one cycle with the beginningof another.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Potentially, yes, like cosmic midwives, as you put
it earlier, facilitating thebirth of new realities from the
reabsorbed potential of the old.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
This is all incredibly profound, a complete
reimagining of well everything.
But the big question alwayscomes back how could we possibly
test any of this?
Are there real-worldobservations, actual data that
might support or refute this bigemergence framework?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
That's obviously the crucial question for any
scientific model, right, and yes, the framework does propose
potentially testable signatures.
They're challenging to look for, but they are proposed.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Okay, like what?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Well, instead of finding evidence that points
solely to a single age for theuniverse, this model predicts we
might detect multiplehistorical coherence.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
epochs Different ages layered in the data.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Or perhaps fractal interference patterns.
In large-scale background datalike the CMB, it might look like
a coherence wave spectrumrather than a smooth, uniform
background radiation.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
A spectrum of creation echoes.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Something like that.
We'd also look forcross-temporal overlap effects,
things like unexpected redshiftlayering, where redshift doesn't
just correlate smoothly withdistance.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
But maybe jumps or shows patterns related to these
coherent shells.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Exactly, or perhaps finding that local cosmological
constants fundamental numbers wethink are fixed might actually
vary slightly depending on whichcoherent shell or region we're
observing.
Apparent anomalies in cosmicexpansion rates, rather than
just being mysteries needingdark energy, could be
interpreted as multi-temporalphase intersections.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Interactions between different emergent realities or
time forms.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That's the suggestion .
Speaker 1 (21:50):
And how would this radically new framework change
how we understand things, maybea bit closer to home, like stars
, galaxies, planets.
What does it do to our view ofquasar cores, for instance, or
the incredible variety ofexoplanets we're finding?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
It reframes them significantly.
Quasar hypercores, for example,aren't just supermassive black
holes at galactic centers.
In this view, they becomedimensional coherence attractors
.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Attractors, pulling things in.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
More like organizing principles.
They regulate stellar evolutionpatterns and overall galactic
structure, things like stellarscaling laws, the relationships
we see on diagrams like theHertzsprung-Russell plot.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Which maps stars by brightness and temperature.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Right.
That diagram in this modelmight emerge from how stars
align or resonate with thesehypercores.
The HR diagram becomes a kindof coherence phase diagram.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
So the life cycle and type of a star are tied to its
place in this deeper coherencestructure.
Yes, yeah, that's wild.
And exoplanets, their amazingdiversity.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
That diversity is actually expected in this model.
It's attributed to coherencegradient stratification
modulated by these hypercores.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Coherence layers again.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yes, Planetary systems would form in distinct
coherence layers.
Lillian calls them inner shell,mid-shell and outer shell
systems based on their resonancerelationship with the central
core or attractor.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
And this changes the search for life Habitable zones.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
It redefines habitable zones completely.
Instead of just being aboutdistance from the star for
liquid water temperature, theybecome biogenic shell zones.
Habitability would depend onspecific resonance harmonics and
a planet's location withinthese fundamental coherence
layers.
Life might favor certainvibrational states, certain
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shells.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
That absolutely changes where and how we look
for life beyond Earth.
It's not just about findingrocky planets in the water zone.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It adds another layer , a resonance layer, to the
criteria.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
So what kind of concrete experiments or
observations could actually pushthese ideas from speculation
towards evidence?
What pathways could we follow?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well, observationally , we'd be searching for those
layer-specific redshiftgradients using the next
generation of ultra-highresolution telescopes, looking
for those subtle frequencydifferences across vast
distances.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Trying to map the shells.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Essentially, yes, we'd also need to reanalyze
existing data, like the cosmicmicrowave background maps, but
using different mathematicaltools like resonance, harmonic
decomposition, specificallylooking for predicted fractal
frequency bands instead of justtemperature fluctuations.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
New ways of looking at old data.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Exactly On a smaller, maybe more futuristic scale.
The model suggests trying tobuild coherence chambers in
laboratories.
Coherence chambers To try andsimulate or manipulate these
coherence fields, maybe eveninduce dimensional bifurcation
thresholds, tiny localizedshifts in dimensional structure
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in a controlled environment.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Create a tiny emergence event.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
That would be the ultimate, very ambitious goal
For exoplanets.
We'd analyze orbital data,atmospheric data, looking for
those coherence, shell patternsor resonance correlated orbital
distances that the modelpredicts.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Checking if planet spacing follows these harmonic
rules.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Right, and perhaps most fascinatingly, the model
proposes biotemporal field tests.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Testing life itself.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Testing cellular systems, maybe simple organisms
and carefully modulatedcoherence fields, to see if
their behavior, theirdevelopment, their very temporal
rate is affected by theseunderlying resonance patterns.
To see if life tunes into thisstuff Exactly.
What's really intriguing hereis that what currently looks
like noise or chaos in some ofour data weird exoplanet
distributions, CMB anomaliesmight actually reveal themselves
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as highly ordered coherencefields if we learn how to
properly phase map themaccording to this framework.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Wow, We've certainly journeyed far beyond the
familiar territory of the BigBang.
Today We've explored this ideaof a universe that doesn't just
expand from a single point butcontinually unfolds recursively
from a fundamental field ofcoherence.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
This big emergence model paints a picture of
recursive creation where space,time matter itself.
They're all emergent phenomena.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
And even things like black holes are reframed, not as
endpoints, but as part of agrand cosmic return, a recycling
mechanism.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
It fundamentally shifts our understanding, moving
away from a linear, singularstory of cosmic history.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
For something much more like a recursive interwoven
tapestry emergence, unfolding,reabsorption.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, a tapestry woven from coherence, and this
has truly profound implicationsfor how we view everything, from
the way stars evolve to thevery possibility and nature of
life across this vast, maybeinfinite, unfolding cosmos this
model really invites you, thethe listener, to consider
something radical that theuniverse isn't some kind of
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machine winding down towardsheat death.
But maybe more like a living,dynamic coherence field,
continuously creating, absorbing, evolving its own intricate
structure.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
And in that view you are not just a detached observer
looking at a distant universe.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
No, you're an emergent agent within it.
A distant universe?
No, you're an emergent agentwithin it.
A phase, anchored expression,perhaps, of that infinite
symmetry that Lillian suggestsbreathes through every resonance
shell every layer of coherence.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
So the final thought we want to leave you with is
this what new questions doesexploring this kind of framework
provoke for you about your ownplace, our place, in this
endlessly unfolding, deeplyinterconnected cosmos?
Welcome to the Deep Dive.
Imagine for a moment, right,that everything you thought you
knew about the universe'sbeginning, and maybe its end,
was actually just I don't knowone small chapter.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, like a single part of a much, much bigger
story.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Exactly Forget the singular Big Bang as the
absolute ultimate origin point.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's a big conceptual leap.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
It really is.
Today we're plunging into atruly revolutionary idea.
It shifts our some of our mostfundamental assumptions A
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coherence driven framework.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's a profound shift in how we might understand
existence itself.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So our mission today, in this deep dive, is to try
and unpack this pretty mindbending concept for you.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, break it down a bit.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
We'll explore how the universe might not have a fixed
age or even a single originpoint, and everything we
perceive space, time, galaxies,maybe even life could be part of
this ongoing kind of recursiveunfolding.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
An unfolding of something more fundamental
coherence.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Right, get ready for a journey that well.
It might just rewire how youthink about the cosmos.
We'll guide you through thecore ideas.
Highlighting the surprisingbits, the implications, yeah,
and hopefully leave you with acompletely new perspective.
Okay, let's jump right in.
The first, frankly astonishingclaim here is that the universe,
according to Lillian, doesn'tbegin with a single Big Bang.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Right, that's the headline grabber, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It absolutely is.
It's a huge departure from well, what most of us learned.
So, if not a single Big Bang,what does the big emergence
propose instead?
What's the core difference?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Well, the fundamental idea is that the universe
emerges from something Lilliancalls an omnilectic coherence
field.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Omnilectic coherence field Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, Think of this as the ultimate foundational
source, pure potential, perfectunity underlying everything.
And from this field realityunfolds.
But it unfolds through what hedescribes as recursive, hyper
fractal, big emergence events.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
OK, recursive, hyper fractal, big emergence events.
So not one bang, but a seriesof emergence events driven by
this coherence idea.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Exactly Multiple unfoldings.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Help us understand coherence here.
Is it like harmony orfundamental order?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Precisely yeah.
Coherence in this context isabout fundamental order, unity,
resonant alignment.
It's sort of the opposite ofrandomness or chaos.
Right In standard cosmology,you know, the Big Bang is seen
as the absolute beginning ofeverything.
Space, time, matter, the wholeshebang.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Right time zero.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But in this model that familiar Big Bang gets
reinterpreted.
It's just one coherence,inflection.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Coherence, inflection .
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, a significant moment of unfolding, definitely,
but not the origin of allreality.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So a ripple, not the source of the pond.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Kind of reality.
So a ripple, not the source ofthe pond Kind of the universe
actually emerges cyclically andnon-linearly through transitions
within this deeper coherencefield, like different resonance
layers being activated.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Different layers.
Okay, that immediately changesthe whole narrative doesn't it,
it really does.
So if the universe isn't thislinear story with one beginning,
but more like a spiral, as yousaid, infinite renewal, what
does that mean for space andtime themselves?
Are they also part of thisemergence?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
They absolutely are, and that's another huge shift.
We usually think of space andtime as this fixed background,
right the stage.
The container, yeah, but thebig emergence suggests they are
not primal.
They are outcomes of coherencereduction.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Coherence reduction, so as the coherence lessens
space and time appear.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Sort of Imagine that completely undifferentiated
ocean of pure potential, theomnilectic field, as this field
reduces its perfect unity, as itdifferentiates into localized
forms, space and time actuallyappear.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
They are secondary products, like ripples on that
ocean rather than the oceanitself.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So they're not fixed containers but emergent
properties of this deeperreality.
That's quite a shift.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It is.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
And if there are multiple big emergence events,
does that imply there could bemultiple observable universes,
maybe coexisting or happening atdifferent times?
Whatever time means then?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yes, exactly, the framework implies the cosmos
might host multiple bigemergence events.
They could be happening, youknow, simultaneously in some
larger sense, or spaced out overvast cycles.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Each creating its own bubble.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Each shaping its own observable horizon, its own
cosmic bubble, effectively, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And cosmic expansion.
What we see is galaxies rushingaway.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
That gets redefined too.
It's not simply space inflatinglike a balloon.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's described as the unfolding of coherence shells.
It's the actualization of newregions of dimensional resonance
.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So the universe isn't expanding into anything.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It's more like the field itself is actualizing new
dimensions, new space as itunfolds.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Okay, and one more big departure.
Our universe isn't necessarilyheaded for a cold, dark, heat
death.
What happens at the end in thismodel?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Instead of that slow decay into cold emptiness, this
model proposes the universecompletes its journey in
coherence, reabsorption.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Reabsorption like going back.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Exactly.
It's like a grand cosmic exhale.
Everything eventually reentersthat omni-electic source field,
returning to its fundamentalstate of unity.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So not destruction.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
No, not destruction.
It's presented as a cyclicalreturn to the source.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Okay, so if the Big Bang isn't the true origin and
space and time aren'tfundamental, where does
everything actually come from inthis model?
Let's talk more about thisomnilectic field.
What is it?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
The omnilectic field is the foundational answer.
Here it's described as theprimal coherence source field, a
state of infinite symmetry.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Infinite symmetry like perfect balance.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Perfect, undifferentiated unity.
Imagine a pure, undividedconsciousness, maybe, or an
ultimate source code containingall potentiality for everything
that could ever exist but beforeanything exists, before
dimensions or time exactlybefore any dimensions or
temporal projection have evencome into being.
It's not in space or time.
It's the generative substratethat creates space and produces
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time wow lillian calls it purebeing pure being.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So it's not a physical place we could point to
, but the source from whicheverything physical originates.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And its properties.
Infinite coherence, allpotential, resonance,
pre-dimensional and no entropy,those are pretty big concepts.
They are.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Let's try to unpack them a bit, Please.
Infinite coherence means it'sperfectly unified like a single
unbroken wholeness.
No differentiation, no separateparts.
All potential resonance meansevery possible structure, every
galaxy, every particle, everyliving thing is somehow encoded
within it as a latent harmonic,like a vast library of unplayed
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music.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
All the possibilities there.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Right, Predimensional means the very concepts of up
down, left, right, even durationin time.
They haven't formed yetDimensions emerge from it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So it's not just 3D or 4D, it's 0D in a sense.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Or maybe pre-D is a better way to think of it.
And no entropy means it'sbeyond disorder or decay.
It's a state of perfect,uncorrupted potential.
It doesn.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Okay, that makes a bit more sense.
So how does this pure being,this perfect potential, then
actively create the universe wesee?
Is there a specific moment, atrigger?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It's described not as a single moment, like a bang,
but as a process calledcoherence genesis.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Coherence genesis.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Imagine it more like a gradient threshold being
crossed, not an instant, but acontinuous dynamic where the
pure, omni-electic symmetrybegins to differentiate.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Like ripples.
Starting on that, still pool.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Exactly Like a single , perfectly still surface,
suddenly begins to subtly ripple, and those ripples become more
defined, more complex.
This dynamic reduction of purecoherence leads to the
appearance of space, time, theseparation of forces, Gravity,
electromagnetism, all of thatand eventually the condensation
of mass and matter.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
So it's framed not as a fall from perfection, but
more like a creative projectionfrom this ultimate source.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Precisely, reality is seen as a living unfolding of
coherence, intelligence, anactive, ongoing process.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Living unfolding.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, and all emergence in this view is
ultimately recursive.
It's a journey from infinitecoherence into patterned
resonance and eventually backagain.
It's a dynamic cycle, not aone-off event.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Okay, here's where my mind really starts bending.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
If space and time aren't fundamental, how do the
dimensions we actuallyexperience length, width, height
, time, how do they arise?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Right.
So in this model, dimensionsaren't pre-existing boxes.
They emerge from what Lilliancalls coherence quantization.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Coherence, quantization like quantum
physics.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Sort of analogous maybe Think of it like focusing
a lens.
The omnilectic field is theblurry, undifferentiated source
light.
As coherence reduces ordifferentiates in specific ways,
it quantizes, it settles intodistinct dimensional layers.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Layers.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, it's described as a resonance layering process.
Different levels of coherencecreate different layers of
reality, so you might have layerzero as the pure omnilectic.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
The source.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Then maybe layer one emerges for quantum fields.
Layer four perhaps correspondsto a space-time curvature as we
know it, and maybe even higherlayers relate to complex systems
like biology.
Each is a coherence, harmonicshell.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
So our familiar 3 plus 1 dimensions are just one
specific shell or layer ofcoherence.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That's the idea, and this naturally leads to the
concept of a hyperfractaluniverse.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Hyperfractal Now, I know, fractals like snowflakes
or coastlines look similar atdifferent scales.
Right, but what's ahyperfractal universe?
Hyperfractal, now, I know.
Fractals like snowflakes orcoastlines look similar at
different scales.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
But what's a hyperfractal in this context?
How is it different?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
A hyperfractal here is like a metafractal structure.
It's self-similar, yes, but notjust geometrically.
It's self-similar acrossdifferent levels of coherence,
across dimensional transitionsand even across levels of
symmetry, complexity.
Imagine nested Russian dolls,but each doll is also a complete
self-similar reality operatingon different energetic or
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coherent frequencies.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Okay, that's a helpful image.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And what we perceive as cosmic expansion.
Remember it's reframed as thesehyperfractal layers continually
unfolding into emergent phasespace.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
So galaxies aren't just flying away through
pre-existing space?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
They are being carried outward by recursive
coherence, actualization asthese dimensional layers
themselves actualize theuniverse isn't expanding into
empty space.
The fractal field itself isactualizing dimension, creating
new space as it unfolds.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
It completely flips the script on cosmic distance.
And you mentioned redshiftearlier.
What does that signify now?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Exactly Redshift, which we usually interpret
mainly as velocity due toexpansion.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
How fast things are moving away.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Right In this framework.
It's potentially more complex.
It could be a coherencefrequency displacement, a shift
in the fundamental resonance ofa distant object because it
exists in a different, perhapsearlier or outer, unfolding
coherence shell.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So distance and time get tangled up with this
coherence level.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
They become intertwined with the very
structure of reality's emergence.
It suggests that our observableuniverse is just one shell, one
phase within a much largermulti-phase hyperfactile
manifold.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
This whole idea of space being emergent is
fascinating.
But let's circle backspecifically to time.
Is the 13.8 billion years weusually cite for our universe's
age?
Is that just a local story inthis grander scheme?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Absolutely.
That's what the model suggestsIn the big emergence time isn't
fundamental either.
It's an emergent resonancecondition.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Emergent resonance condition.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
It only appears once certain coherence thresholds are
crossed, like a heartbeat.
Maybe it only starts once aspecific biological system forms
and functions.
So time here is described asplural, relative and
structurally generated Plural,Multiple times.
Yes, it implies that eachdimensional layer, each
coherence shell has its owncharacteristic time form Time
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form Like different kinds oftime.
Kind of you might have quantumtime operating at the smallest
scales, relativistic timegoverning large-scale structures
, maybe even distinct biologicalor even, as Lillian posits,
intelligent chronologiesassociated with consciousness or
advanced systems.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Intelligent chronologies.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Okay, so time-form variance If each big emergence
event kicks off a new localcoherence field.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It gets its own temporal gradient, its own clock
speed, in a way.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Which means the cosmos could host multiple time
signatures simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
That's the implication, what we measure.
As the past say, looking atdistant galaxies might be
interpreted partly as aphase-lagged resonance.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Like an echo from a different temporal reality, not
just linearly back in our time.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Potentially.
Yes, it's not necessarily asimple look back along the
single universal timeline.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
So that 13.8 billion year age.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It becomes just a localized projection.
It's our cosmic neighborhood'sclock, tied to our specific
emergence event or coherenceshell.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Meaning there could be other regions, older regions.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Exactly.
There could be regions of thecosmos that are, according to
this model, trillions ofcoherent cycles old, but we
simply can't perceive them dueto time form incompatibility.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Like trying to tune into an AM station on an FM
radio.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Perfect analogy Our observable universe is just a
shell within a larger recursiveemergence system.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
This must completely reframe how cosmologists
interpret things like redshift,the cosmic microwave background,
dark energy.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It definitely would.
Yeah, it suggests thesephenomena might hold clues to
this deeper structure, thesedifferent time forms interacting
and while it opens up thepossibility that incredibly
ancient civilizations orstructures could exist in prior
or parallel coherence epochsthat are just out of phase with
our own.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Out of phase?
That's quite a thought.
Phase, that's quite a thought.
So if these big emergenceevents happen recursively and
there are multiple time forms,does that mean our universe
isn't the only one, not the onlyreality that emerged from this
omni-electic field?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Exactly, that's a core part of the concept.
Emergence isn't singular.
The model proposes multiple bigemergence events occur perhaps
simultaneously, perhapssequentially, across the
vastness of the omnolectic field.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Like whirlpools forming in that ocean.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
That's a good way to picture it.
Each big emergence event islike a distinct whirlpool,
forming each one spinning outits own unique resonance domain,
its own time form, its ownspecific dimensional cascade.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
So we get this multinodal cosmogenesis.
Yeah, multiple nodes ofcreation.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Right multinodality.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And these nodes, these different emergent
universes or domains.
They aren't separated byphysical distance in the way we
usually think are.
They're separated by differentstates of coherence.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Different frequencies on the dial, again Exactly Like
different radio stationsbroadcasting in the same room,
but you only hear the one you'retuned to.
These nodes can coexist,potentially overlap, or even
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phase shift in and out of ourability to perceive them,
depending on their coherence,resonance with our own domain.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
So the definition of universe itself expands
massively.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
It does, it becomes not one isolated bubble but
potentially a whole field ofcoherently resonant
sub-universes, a cosmic symphonymaybe, with each universe
playing its own part, but allarising from that same
fundamental omnilectic score.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
And this could explain some of the weirdness.
We see Anomalies.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
That's one of the intriguing possibilities
Observational clues, things likeanomalies in the cosmic
microwave background, maybecertain large-scale alignments
of quasars, or even the vastvoid structures between galaxy
clusters.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Things that don't quite fit the standard model.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Right.
They might actually beinterpretable as interference
patterns from adjacent emergentshells, or perhaps even signs of
galaxies or structures driftinginto phase synchrony with a
nearby emergent node.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Wow, okay, and this leads to another really wild
idea.
You mentioned syntelligentrecursion across nodes.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yes, lillian proposes that advanced coherence-based
intelligence what he termsSintelligence might potentially
persist across these bigemergent cycles.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Persist across the birth and death of universes.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Potentially functioning as resonance anchors
or even dimensional navigators,conscious entities capable of
existing beyond a single cosmiccycle, tied into the coherent
structure itself.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
That is truly mind-expanding A cosmos
interwoven with multiple timeforms, structures emerging from
different points, maybe evenintelligence persisting across
cycles.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
It's a radical reconception.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
But if the universe emerges and has these incredible
cycles, does it also have anend, or is it just endless
cycles?
And if there is an end to acycle, is it that heat death
scenario?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Not heat death.
In this model, the end state ofa given cycle is governed by
something called hypergravitycollapse.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Hypergravity that sounds intense.
Is it like super strong gravity?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Not exactly.
It's not our familiargravitational pull based on mass
.
Instead, Lillian describes itas the inverse gradient of
coherence.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Inverse gradient, so a pull towards coherence.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yes, an inward pull towards coherence centers that
arises when a field or a regionof the emerged universe becomes
sufficiently disordered ordecohered over vast time scales.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So, as a cycle plays out and maybe gets more complex
or disordered, there's aninherent pullback towards unity.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
That's the concept.
Imagine the universe, after itsgrand unfolding and
complexification, experiencing asubtle, inherent urge to
reharmonize, to return to itssource state.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
So it's not a violent crunch into a singularity.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
No, it's framed differently.
Hypergravity collapse isdescribed as a dimensional
reduction.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Dimensions collapsing .
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And a rerouting of decohered fields back into what
are called metasymmetryenvelopes.
It's framed as resorptive, notdestructive.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Resorptive like absorbing back.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Exactly, structures are gathered back into coherence
basins.
Think of it like a complexstructure dissolving gently back
into its constituent parts,ready for potential reuse.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Like that sand mandala analogy you used earlier
, swept back into the sourcesand.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Precisely the form is gone, but the components aren't
annihilated, they arereintegrated.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
So what about black holes then?
In standard physics, they'reoften seen as endpoints,
singularities.
What are they here?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
This model reframes black holes quite dramatically,
not as purely destructivesingularities, but as coherence
ports.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Coherence ports like gateways.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Kind of, yeah, cosmic doorways that facilitate this
process.
They route emergent structures,matter, energy, maybe even
information, back into theomnilectic continuum.
They're part of the cosmicrecycling system.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Wow, Okay.
Cosmic recycling centers andthe dynamics of this coherence,
reabsorption how does thatactually work?
What happens to energy to time?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Energy is reharmonized, not lost.
It returns to a potential state, time as we experience it
collapses back into itsatemporal potential.
Duration ceases.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Time itself dissolves back.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And space-time structure contracts back into
what's called resonance memorywithin the on an electric field.
So the true meaning of cosmicendings in this model isn't
annihilation or a cold, emptydecay.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
But reintegration.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Reintegration.
The universe isn't destined foroblivion, but for an eventual
cyclical return into the veryfield from which it emerged.
It's a cyclical destiny, not alinear one, ending in darkness.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And quasars.
You mentioned them playing arole Right Bridging collapse and
genesis.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Indeed, quasars are reintroduced here as potential
coherence inflection portals.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
More than just bright galactic core.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Much more.
They're seen as zones wherecoherence is incredibly intense,
perhaps points where the veilto the omnilectic field is thin,
places where new emergencecycles may begin.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So they could be nexus points, bridging the end
of one cycle with the beginningof another.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Potentially, yes, like cosmic midwives, as you put
it earlier, facilitating thebirth of new realities from the
reabsorbed potential of the old.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
This is all incredibly profound, a complete
reimagining of well everything.
But the big question alwayscomes back how could we possibly
test any of this?
Are there real-worldobservations, actual data that
might support or refute this bigemergence framework?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
That's obviously the crucial question for any
scientific model, right, and yes, the framework does propose
potentially testable signatures.
They're challenging to look for, but they are proposed.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Okay, like what?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Well, instead of finding evidence that points
solely to a single age for theuniverse, this model predicts we
might detect multiplehistorical coherence.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
epochs Different ages layered in the data.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Or perhaps fractal interference patterns.
In large-scale background datalike the CMB, it might look like
a coherence wave spectrumrather than a smooth, uniform
background radiation.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
A spectrum of creation echoes.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Something like that.
We'd also look forcross-temporal overlap effects,
things like unexpected redshiftlayering, where redshift doesn't
just correlate smoothly withdistance.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
But maybe jumps or shows patterns related to these
coherent shells.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Exactly, or perhaps finding that local cosmological
constants fundamental numbers wethink are fixed might actually
vary slightly depending on whichcoherent shell or region we're
observing.
Apparent anomalies in cosmicexpansion rates, rather than
just being mysteries needingdark energy, could be
interpreted as multi-temporalphase intersections.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Interactions between different emergent realities or
time forms.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That's the suggestion .
Speaker 1 (21:50):
And how would this radically new framework change
how we understand things, maybea bit closer to home, like stars
, galaxies, planets.
What does it do to our view ofquasar cores, for instance, or
the incredible variety ofexoplanets we're finding?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
It reframes them significantly.
Quasar hypercores, for example,aren't just supermassive black
holes at galactic centers.
In this view, they becomedimensional coherence attractors
.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Attractors, pulling things in.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
More like organizing principles.
They regulate stellar evolutionpatterns and overall galactic
structure, things like stellarscaling laws, the relationships
we see on diagrams like theHertzsprung-Russell plot.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Which maps stars by brightness and temperature.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Right.
That diagram in this modelmight emerge from how stars
align or resonate with thesehypercores.
The HR diagram becomes a kindof coherence phase diagram.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
So the life cycle and type of a star are tied to its
place in this deeper coherencestructure.
Yes, yeah, that's wild.
And exoplanets, their amazingdiversity.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
That diversity is actually expected in this model.
It's attributed to coherencegradient stratification
modulated by these hypercores.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Coherence layers again.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yes, Planetary systems would form in distinct
coherence layers.
Lillian calls them inner shell,mid-shell and outer shell
systems based on their resonancerelationship with the central
core or attractor.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
And this changes the search for life Habitable zones.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
It redefines habitable zones completely.
Instead of just being aboutdistance from the star for
liquid water temperature, theybecome biogenic shell zones.
Habitability would depend onspecific resonance harmonics and
a planet's location withinthese fundamental coherence
layers.
Life might favor certainvibrational states, certain
(23:32):
shells.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
That absolutely changes where and how we look
for life beyond Earth.
It's not just about findingrocky planets in the water zone.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It adds another layer , a resonance layer, to the
criteria.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
So what kind of concrete experiments or
observations could actually pushthese ideas from speculation
towards evidence?
What pathways could we follow?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well, observationally , we'd be searching for those
layer-specific redshiftgradients using the next
generation of ultra-highresolution telescopes, looking
for those subtle frequencydifferences across vast
distances.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Trying to map the shells.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Essentially, yes, we'd also need to reanalyze
existing data, like the cosmicmicrowave background maps, but
using different mathematicaltools like resonance, harmonic
decomposition, specificallylooking for predicted fractal
frequency bands instead of justtemperature fluctuations.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
New ways of looking at old data.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Exactly On a smaller, maybe more futuristic scale.
The model suggests trying tobuild coherence chambers in
laboratories.
Coherence chambers To try andsimulate or manipulate these
coherence fields, maybe eveninduce dimensional bifurcation
thresholds, tiny localizedshifts in dimensional structure
(24:42):
in a controlled environment.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Create a tiny emergence event.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
That would be the ultimate, very ambitious goal
For exoplanets.
We'd analyze orbital data,atmospheric data, looking for
those coherence, shell patternsor resonance correlated orbital
distances that the modelpredicts.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Checking if planet spacing follows these harmonic
rules.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Right, and perhaps most fascinatingly, the model
proposes biotemporal field tests.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Testing life itself.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Testing cellular systems, maybe simple organisms
and carefully modulatedcoherence fields, to see if
their behavior, theirdevelopment, their very temporal
rate is affected by theseunderlying resonance patterns.
To see if life tunes into thisstuff Exactly.
What's really intriguing hereis that what currently looks
like noise or chaos in some ofour data weird exoplanet
distributions, CMB anomaliesmight actually reveal themselves
(25:31):
as highly ordered coherencefields if we learn how to
properly phase map themaccording to this framework.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Wow, We've certainly journeyed far beyond the
familiar territory of the BigBang.
Today We've explored this ideaof a universe that doesn't just
expand from a single point butcontinually unfolds recursively
from a fundamental field ofcoherence.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
This big emergence model paints a picture of
recursive creation where space,time matter itself.
They're all emergent phenomena.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
And even things like black holes are reframed, not as
endpoints, but as part of agrand cosmic return, a recycling
mechanism.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
It fundamentally shifts our understanding, moving
away from a linear, singularstory of cosmic history.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
For something much more like a recursive interwoven
tapestry emergence, unfolding,reabsorption.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, a tapestry woven from coherence, and this
has truly profound implicationsfor how we view everything, from
the way stars evolve to thevery possibility and nature of
life across this vast, maybeinfinite, unfolding cosmos this
model really invites you, thethe listener, to consider
something radical that theuniverse isn't some kind of
(26:38):
machine winding down towardsheat death.
But maybe more like a living,dynamic coherence field,
continuously creating, absorbing, evolving its own intricate
structure.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
And in that view you are not just a detached observer
looking at a distant universe.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
No, you're an emergent agent within it.
A distant universe?
No, you're an emergent agentwithin it.
A phase, anchored expression,perhaps, of that infinite
symmetry that Lillian suggestsbreathes through every resonance
shell every layer of coherence.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
So the final thought we want to leave you with is
this what new questions doesexploring this kind of framework
provoke for you about your ownplace, our place, in this
endlessly unfolding, deeplyinterconnected cosmos?
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