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February 27, 2025 50 mins

In this extra episode, Michelle sat down with Dr. Seth D. Kaplan,a leading expert on fragile states, societies, and communities, and the author of Fragile Neighborhoods: Repairing American Society, One Zip Code at a Time. He is a Professorial Lecturer in the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) at Johns Hopkins University, Senior Adviser for the Institute for Integrated Transitions (IFIT), and consultant to organizations such as the World Bank, U.S. State Department, U.S. Agency for International Development, United States Institute of Peace, and OECD.   

Michelle and Seth discuss the themes of fragility in American society, particularly in rural areas, as explored in his book 'Fragile Neighborhoods.' He emphasizes the importance of social relationships and local institutions in building resilient communities. The discussion covers the two faces of poverty, the impact of life expectancy and its connections to policy, the significance of community gathering spaces, and the challenges faced by both boys and girls in America’s education system.    

The conversation explores social fragility as a significant issue in America, how rural areas often experience higher levels of poverty, and targeting multiple drivers of health as well as the essential role rural schools play in their communities. They conclude the discussion with Seth sharing the importance of talent retention and attraction strategies, building trust and cohesion in rural communities, as well as creating more placemaking activities in rural communities.   

Resources: 
To learn more about Seth’s work visit: https://sethkaplan.org/author/ 

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