Beyond Politics: Mental Health, Guns, and School Safety

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The Minneapolis school shooting has exposed America's mental health crisis in devastating clarity. When a shooter opened fire at Annunciation Catholic School, killing two children who were simply praying, the political machine immediately began its familiar dance – but this time, something different emerged.

As details surfaced about the shooter's identity and motivations – including messages like "Kill Trump" on weapons and a manifesto expressing regret about gender transition – we're forced to confront uncomfortable questions about what's happening in our society. While political figures rushed to blame guns, others like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. are taking unprecedented steps to investigate potential connections between psychiatric medications, gender-affirming care, and violent behavior. These medications, many carrying black box warnings about increased risks of suicidal and homicidal ideation, deserve serious scrutiny.

What makes this tragedy stand apart is the remarkable transparency in its aftermath. We've heard firsthand accounts from survivors – including children who witnessed classmates shielding others with their own bodies. We've seen security protocols like locked doors save countless lives. And we've witnessed a grieving father ask not for sympathy but empathy, requesting we remember his son Fletcher "for the person he was and not the act that ended his life."

The solution isn't complicated – our children deserve protection. When airports, government buildings, and even shopping centers have armed security, why do we leave our schools vulnerable? This isn't about politics; it's about priorities. As one commentator noted, "Our airports are more protected than our schools," a reality that should shame us all. Hold your children close today, and demand better tomorrow. The time for real solutions, not political theater, is long overdue.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:10):
no-transcript.

(03:39):
We are going to have aphenomenal show today, big news
going on in the world, but weare going to still continue to
talk about this active shooterin Minneapolis, and there's a
couple of reasons for that.
The first reason is that somenew information has come out and

(04:02):
, frankly, it's just a big story.
Okay, it is a big story with alot of updates, and a lot of
things that we have talked abouton this show for years have
come to fruition.
One of the main things of thatis the mental health crisis
that's happening in the UnitedStates, and the left is not only

(04:27):
embracing it, they areencouraging it.
So let's take a look here.
We're going to pull up someclips that I have and we're
going to talk about them.
Okay, so the left is coming outand what they're trying to do,

(04:48):
and what they're unable to doand what they're going to be
unable to do, is try to attachthis shooter to the right side
of the political aisle.
That's just something that'snot going to happen.
The shooter is, I wouldn't say,a self-proclaimed leftist, but

(05:13):
they're a leftist through theirown actions, and a prime example
of that is the stuff that waswritten on the firearms Kill
Trump Trans Lives Matter.
That wasn't written on thefirearm.
That was a sticker that theshooter had had somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
But here is rosie o'donnell trying to say that
this person is maga so about theminnesota shooting, and it
brought me right back to toColumbine in 1999 when I just
could not get it through my headthat students in America were

(05:50):
shooting schools.
And this was a church inside aCatholic school.
And what do you know?
It was a white guy, republican,maga person no, what do you
know?
White supremacist.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Where are you getting that from?

Speaker 4 (06:09):
I saw about the Minnesota shooting and it
brought me right back toCongress.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
The left is going to continue to try and blame, even
though this shooter had killedTrump on their weapon.
They called him a MAGA and aTrump supporter.
He wrote kill Trump on theweapon he used in this massacre.

(06:40):
I'm glad she called him a he,though, but that's only because
it supported her agenda.
Now, the left cannot figure outwhat to do in this situation,
so they're they're lying, okay,they're lying.
They're trying to say he's aleftist, I mean a right winger

(07:02):
and a right supremacist.
Here's CNN, unable to even callthe shooter a man, because they
still have to be polite to thepronouns.
Think about how ridiculous andabsurd this is.
That the left it continues onthis path.

(07:25):
That is just terrible.
Terrible for our society.
Let's listen to this.

Speaker 6 (07:37):
For the mother to not even return to the state to
answer law enforcement questions, to try to provide some
assistance, to answer lawenforcement questions to try to
provide some assistance.
I'm sure she's grieving for herdaughter, but this is yeah,
it's a really perverse andstrange element of this story.
It's inexplicable to me at thispoint.

Speaker 7 (07:56):
Yeah, andrew McCabe, we'll see if that changes For
the mother to not even return tothe state to answer

Speaker 8 (08:05):
law enforcement questions to try to provide some
assistance.
I'm sure she's grieving for herdaughter, but this is.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
What rights does this person have after they murdered
a bunch of children, zero, zero.
They should be taken out backand put down.
That's what should happen.
Now some more things are comingout which we're going to get
into, but the leftists are justtaking every opportunity that

(08:38):
they can to run to the TVcameras and to blame guns and to
blame leftists, and it'ssomething that is not going to
win.
They do this every time there'sa mass shooting and,
statistically, assault weaponsif you want to call them assault
weapons are rarely responsiblefor deaths in the United States

(09:03):
Rarely.
This shooter had with him ashotgun and a pistol.
It hasn't even been confirmedthat he even used the AR-15 in
the shooting, which I'm sure hedid I'm not saying he didn't,
but the news hasn't come out andsaid that they know that we had
one with him, but he also had ashotgun with him too.
So how many rounds of theshotgun did he shoot off?

(09:24):
We just don't know.
Josh says mental health shouldbe a bugger concern in America.
Also, there is no way thoseparents didn't see signs of this
coming.
We don't know that man.
We don't know what the parentssaw.
We're going to get into themother.
There's some activity going onwith the mother that people are

(09:48):
calling suspicious and I'm notcalling it suspicious.
The mother's refusing to talkto the police, the mother's
refusing to cooperate withpolice and she is in Florida
hiding.
I think there's a good reasonfor that and we're going to go
over that, but just not rightthis second.
So, david Hogg, of course thisgrifter, this nerd, goes on to

(10:14):
CNN and of course it's not thetrans shooter's fault or the
trans person's fault, it'sDonald Trump's fault.

Speaker 9 (10:23):
The bottom line is this Donald Trump has the power
to do something about this.
After Parkland, he repeatedlysaid you guys are cowards,
you're not going to do anythingbecause you're afraid of the NRA
.
We need to do something aboutguns.
That is what he said.
And then he met with the NRAand did nothing.
Why?
Because he is a coward, and mymessage to Donald Trump is that
you are a coward, sir.
You are not going to doanything about this issue

(10:45):
because you are terrified of theNRA, even though you have the
power to save tens of thousandsof lives.
You are the strongest presidentin modern American history,
with a chokehold over your partyand both chambers of Congress.
You have the power to end this,but you are not going to
because you're a damn coward,because you're a damn coward.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
I mean whatever dude, whatever, I do think something
needs to be done.
Okay, I'm not going to pretendthat I have the answers, because
I don't have all the answers,but I do have the concern and
the compassion.
I think that everybody can saythat they're tired and fed up of
school shootings 100%.
I don't think anybody on eitherside of the aisle disagrees.

(11:26):
The disagreement is what to doabout them.
Number one, robert F Kennedy,is trying to look into the fact
of gender-affirming care andpsychosis and SSRIs, which are
antidepressants, and theireffect on violence, and whether
or not it contributed to thisperson becoming an aftershooter.

(11:50):
That's a logical, soundinvestigation that needs to
occur.
In the United States of America, theiatric Association has
declared this a mental disorderfor decades, decades.

(12:11):
And then, hey, liam, how youdoing?
Buddy, welcome on.
And then the leftists comealong and they just want to
erase years of intelligenthistory for their own political
agenda and affirm the psychosisand tell the people that it's

(12:31):
real when it's not.
So the Trump administration cando something here.
Okay, I think something needsto be done, and I think
something drastic needs to bedone.
I'm talking there should bearmed guards in every school in
the United States of America andthere's no reason there should

(12:52):
not be.
There's no logical argumentthat you can give me that an
armed person should not be at aschool every single day.
Now the concern for that?
There's a couple of concerns.
Number one now you got armedpeople in schools and everybody
freaks out.
Okay, well, guess what?
There's armed people everywhereacross the United States that

(13:13):
carry their weapons withoutincident.
Hey cat, welcome on.
Why without incident?
And nothing occurs.
Every day, there's millions ofpeople that carry guns across
the country.
In the state of Florida, youdon't even need a permit to
carry a firearm.
You just put it on your hip andgo where you want to go, and

(13:35):
nobody says anything and nobodydies.
Police officers carry gunsevery day.
They're not out there murderingpeople that they see.
So there are qualifiedindividuals that we can place in
school to protect our children.
We need to protect our damnchildren.

(13:58):
I'm sick of it.
I'm tired of it.
I'm over it.
I've been having thisdiscussion for years, years, and
the discussion goes away.
Every time there's a shootingand nobody handles it.
The answers are not to takeguns away.
You're never going to get ridof guns, man.
You just get over it.
The year is 2025.

(14:20):
People have a constitutionalright to possess and bear
firearms.
Period, full stop.
Okay, number one.
Number two there are too manyguns in this country to get all
of them and ban them.
It's not going to happen.
We try that with drugs.
Guess what Drugs are everywhere?
There's more drugs in schoolthan there are frigging guns.

(14:41):
So that's what you need.
We need armed guards in everyschool around the country.
None of it happened and we putarmed guards and federal
security at every airport in thecountry.
We called it the TSA.
We couldn't come up with somesort of guardian angel program
to subsidize states for armedguards at school, for the

(15:06):
guardian angels or the guardiansof the children or some sort of
program where officials wouldbe armed.
But the left opposes that.
They oppose the protection ofthe children, because it's not
about protecting the children,it's about taking your guns away

(15:29):
.
That's what they want.
Armed guards in every school inthe country would it solve that
problem?
I mean, I think it would.

(15:54):
I think schools are softtargets and soft targets are
more targeted than hard targets.
I think the harder the personis, the harder we make it for
somebody to get into the schooland kill children, the less
likely they are to do it becauseit's not going to be worth
their time and they know they'renot going to be able to do it.
If they know they're about towalk through that door and
immediately be met by gunfire,then that's where we're going to

(16:14):
be.
I think a big concern is peopledon't want police officers in
the school because policeofficers will be enforcing the
law on children.
I think that's a concern.
I don't want my kid to, youknow, be in school, do something
stupid and then justimmediately get arrested.
I think that's extreme,depending on what he did or what

(16:35):
she did.
But the notion that we're notgoing to protect our kids with
guns is insanity.
And the people who are sittingthere telling you we're not
going to protect our kids withguns have kids who are protected
with guns is insanity.
And the people who are sittingthere telling you we're not
going to protect our kids withguns have kids who are protected
with guns.
Their children are protectedwith guns.
They themselves are protectedwith guns.
Hillary Clinton protected withguns.

(16:57):
Bill Clinton protected withguns.
Barack Obama, michelle Obama,their children protected by men
with guns.
You're not screaming to havetheir guns taken away.
They're screaming to have yourstaken away, because that's the
actual agenda and I think thatit's well overdue and it's time

(17:22):
for action.
And I agree with thesepoliticians on the left who are
yelling about how we need action.
We do need action, weabsolutely need action.
Kat says, have an office inevery school where PD slash,
sheriff can do reports, etcetera.
Just the cars would be adeterrent.

(17:43):
Yeah, I mean, that's an optiontoo.
Make it a police stop stationwhere they can go and get coffee
and snacks and they just comeduring the day and show up.
We used to have sometimes whenI was with the sheriff's office,
we would have our morningpatrol meetings at the local
school if there was a threat orsomething and we would just all
be there.
But there's something that canbe done.

(18:05):
And I'm not sitting herescreaming that I have the
answers, like some stupidtalking head on CNN going oh,
it's the guns or no?
No, our children are preciousand they should be guarded and
they should be protected.
Our airports are more protectedthan our frigging schools are,
and that's outrageous.
It's outrageous.
Here is CNN.

(18:32):
This is what's her name.
I can't even think of her namebecause I'm so flustered.
I just went on this rant, pullit up, here we go.

Speaker 10 (18:50):
I mean, that is a question that we've asked
ourselves when Columbinehappened, back when I was in
high school.
We've asked ourselves thatquestion when we saw little
babies being slaughtered inSandy Hook.
We continue to ask ourselvesthat question.
What I can tell you is that we,collectively, have a solution.
We know that when we allow, asa country, for guns to be

(19:14):
accessible to people in the easyway that it is in the United
States, we continue to havethese kind of tragedies.
When we do not collectively, asa community in the United
States, address mental healthillness, when we don't see these
children and communities thatare impacted and, you know, look
for signs that tell us there issomething wrong.

(19:35):
We know that the assailant inthis tragedy had a YouTube page
where he was posting, you know,documenting the kind of insanity
that unfolded today.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
He didn't post the insanity until after it unfolded
.
This is just a politiciantalking out of their ass who
doesn't know what the hellthey're talking about.
He set his videos to post afterthe shooting on a timer.
He was already dead when theywere posted, so that wouldn't
have mattered.

Speaker 10 (20:09):
Somebody saw that, and what we want to change is
our perspective.
We want to be able to become acountry that sees images like
that and alerts someone, becauseif that would have happened
today, two beautiful angelswould still be with us, a whole
community would not bedevastated and these families

(20:30):
will still have their loved onesgoing home to them tonight.

Speaker 7 (20:35):
Yeah, you just can't even imagine what these, those
parents, are feeling tonight and, as you noted, I mean, it's
every parent's worst nightmare.
And when you look at this interms of this, you know, I don't
.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I cannot stand that these people have the nerve to
stand on the graves of thesekids and preach from a position
of what they think is morality,a superior morality of yours,
and talk down as if you know.

(21:13):
This did not occur for otherreasons which we've covered
exhaustively, which we'vecovered exhaustively.
Here is another reporter tryingto say that this is Donald
Trump's.
So basically, they're trying tomanipulate it saying that this

(21:35):
is a Donald Trump supporter.

Speaker 11 (21:37):
A 23-year-old, robin Westman, was able to leave what
police called a video manifestothat they're now going through
to try and establish motive.
We've also been going throughit and can tell you there are
crude diagrams of the church.
There are also photos of theweapons and they include all

(21:57):
sorts of writings the names ofpast mass shooters, criticism of
Israel, the name of PresidentTrump written on the guns.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
There are the name of President Trump written on the
guns is what he had to say.

Speaker 11 (22:10):
Also racial slurs, nihilistic statements, racial
painting, the picture of adisturbed individual who carried
out this mass shooting on thefirst week of school at the
Annunciation Church inMinneapolis.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Just just paint this picture.
This is basically he said,without saying it directly this
is a white supremacist.
That's what he said.
That's what he said Racistcomments, anti-jewish comments

(22:48):
and Donald Trump's name Right.
Those are the three.
Let's listen to it again.

Speaker 11 (23:02):
A 23-year-old, robin Westman, was able to leave what
police called a video manifestothat they're now going through
to try and establish motive.
We've also been going throughit and can tell you there are

(23:33):
crude diagrams of the weaponsand they include all sorts of
writings the names of past massshooters, criticism of Israel,
the name of President Trumpwritten on the guns.
There are also racial slurs,nihilistic statements, all
painting the picture of adisturbed individual who carried
out this mass shooting on thefirst week of school at the
Annunciation Church inMinneapolis.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
this mass shooting on the first week of school at the
Annunciation Church inMinneapolis.
Just an FYI anybody willing tomutilate themselves or their
parents, have their parents doit or their parents agree to do
it is a disturbed individual.
Anybody that's a red flag.
That's a red flag.
That's a sign that something isnot right and that there is a

(24:09):
serious problem going on.
Here is a clip from Fox Newswhere the House Majority Leader,
mike Johnson, is discussingthis situation.
The left has also attackedprayer, which has not gone over

(24:30):
very good with the right side ofthe aisle.

Speaker 12 (24:32):
And you're thinking this morning.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
It's incredible to me that Jen Psaki and Gavin Newsom
and others would attackreligion, diminish the faith of
millions of Americans at a timeof such great tragedy.
There are a lot of common sensesolutions, things that can be
done to protect children atschools and in churches that do
not involve taking away theconstitutional rights of
law-abiding American citizens.

(24:55):
This is not a time topoliticize these issues.
We mourn for the families, thecommunity that's affected there.
I don't know if you saw I'msure you guys saw the father's
remarks yesterday for thatlittle boy who was lost,
fletcher Merkel.
It's such a heart-wrenchingthing for all of us.
And at the end of the day, theproblem is not guns okay, jen
Psaki.

(25:15):
The problem is the human heart,it's mental health.
There are things that we can do, solutions that we can come
together to handle, but this isnot the time to be going to war,
Do you think specifically?

Speaker 2 (25:23):
and?
But they're just politicizingit.
That's what the left does.
The left doesn't care aboutthese children.
They could care less.
The left is the party of thegroomers man.
They don't care about thesekids.
They care about their politicalagenda and ripping your rights
away.
That's all that they care about.

(25:43):
That's the only thing that theyreally, really, truly care
about.
Here is JD Vance made a commenton Fox News about the leftist
attack on prayer and it's notgoing over.
Well, the majority of theUnited States are good,

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wholesome, religious people whopray.

Speaker 8 (26:08):
Will.
If you are a politician oryou're a media commentator and
two beautiful babies just gotmurdered while praying and your
politics force you to contendprayer in response to it, you
ought to get new politics,because something very wrong has
gone on inside your soul.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Will if you are.
Yeah, I mean, he's right andyes, you're right, satanists do
attack prayer.
Now the shooter, in theirmanifesto, had said that they
were tired of being trans andthat I wish I never brainwashed
myself.
We're going to go over this alittle bit more in a little

(26:52):
while, okay, so stay tuned.
If you haven't yet, make sureyou hit that like button, tap
that share button, drop acomment down below and let's
talk about this horribleincident and let's get this
incident out there.
It's already way out there, butwe really need to stop this

(27:12):
from happening again and we'renot going to do that by doing
nothing Right now.
The United States, theRepublican Party, is in control.
They have power.
We could get a law passed aboutarmed guards in children's
schools.
That's where it should be.
It should be a federalgovernment subsidized state

(27:33):
program.
We got rid of the Department ofEducation.
We can definitely get a programwhere we have an armed guard in
every school or we have fundingfor safety features in schools,
like the bulletproof doors, theinternal locks on the doors,

(27:55):
the sectioning off, the camerasystems that can detect somebody
walking in with a rifle andthen the whole school locks down
.
The lockdown procedures needfunding, and there should be
more funding for that.
Along with armed guards, youshould be able to lock down the
whole school in a moment'snotice.
No kids can get out, no kidscan get in.
Lock the whole school down andstop the madness.

(28:18):
Just stop it.

Speaker 8 (28:21):
You are the praying type, I would ask you to join me
in prayer.
I'm just going to say a prayerfor the two little kids who lost
their lives yesterday, and thisis a prayer we say a lot in my
church and I've always found itvery meaningful.
It's very short, but eternalrest grant unto them, O Lord,
and let perpetual light shineupon them.
May the souls of all thefaithful departed through the

(28:43):
mercy of God rest in peace.
Amen.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
JD Vance is a Catholic, like I am, and that's
a very common Catholic prayer ata funeral.
That was his response.
Funeral that was his response.
The father of the young boy,one of the children who died,

(29:12):
fletcher.

Speaker 13 (29:12):
Merkel made it, made a statement and let's let's
just watch that yesterday, acoward decided to take our
eight-year-old son, fletcher,away from us.
Because of their actions, wewill never be allowed to hold

(29:34):
him, talk to him, play with himand watch him grow into the
wonderful young man he was onthe path to becoming to the
wonderful young man he was onthe path to becoming.
Fletcher loved his family,friends, fishing, cooking and
any sport that he was allowed toplay.

(29:56):
While the hole in our heartsand lives will never be filled,
I hope that in time our familycan find healing.
I pray that the other victim'sfamily can find some semblance
of the same.
I'm hopeful that all thewounded are able to make a full
recovery and return home totheir families and, finally, all

(30:19):
the people, and especially thechildren impacted by this
horrific event are able torecover mentally and find
strength to live loving, happyand full lives.
Over the past day, I've heardmany stories accounting the
swift and heroic actions ofchildren and adults alike from

(30:43):
inside the church.
Without these people and theirselfless actions, this could
have been a tragedy of manymagnitudes more.
For these people, I am thankful.
Moving forward, we ask not foryour sympathy but your empathy

(31:04):
as our family and theAnnunciation community grieve
and try to make sense of such asenseless act of violence.
Please remember Fletcher forthe person he was and not the
act that ended his life.
Give your kids an extra hug andkiss today.

(31:27):
We love you, fletcher.
You'll always be with us.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
I couldn't imagine, and for what?
For what?
Because some kid was pissed offat the world and they placated
him and filled him withantidepressants and
gender-affirming care andchemical compounds that worsened
his medical condition.

(31:57):
Because our entire medicalsystem has been compromised by
philosophers who have the wrongphilosophy.
By the way, it's absolutelyinsane and it really and truly
pisses me off to no degree.

(32:19):
That's even explainable.
That's even explainable.
But this shooting is differentthan others and I think because
of who is in power has a lot todo with it.
No-transcript these shootingsgo away.

(32:45):
We saw this with Audrey Haleand the um the shooting at the.
I think it was Abundant Life,abundant Life Church.
She was another trans kid whowas very disturbed and shot up
the church.
Maybe hire veterans.
They should know how to handleweapons to protect the premises.

(33:05):
That's from Patty.
Hey, patty, welcome on.
Thank you very much for yourcomment.
Yeah, I think that's a good idea, as long as they're screened.
Not all veterans handle weapons, but there are people who serve
in the military for 20 plusyears and have never touched a
weapon in their life.
I think you need there's acertain personality for
protection.

(33:25):
That needs to be the ones inplace.
I think it should be a good job.
I think that who's ever doingit?
They should not have a positionof authority.
They are simply there forprotection, like a reactionary
force to stop anything that'soccurring.
But here is this is ScottJennings.

(33:51):
Now, if you never listened toScott Jennings, he is kind of
the dissenting voice of CNN.
He's basically there becausehe's a Republican and they have
him there to say that they'refair and balanced.
He's trying to make a pointhere that they are not going to

(34:12):
allow him to make and they tryto stop him and he has to be
extraordinarily cautious withhis words.
Just watch as he tries tosugarcoat this because he's on
CNN and has to.

Speaker 15 (34:25):
Well, I think the first question you have to ask
is why did it happen?
I don't think it happenedbecause of guns.

Speaker 16 (34:34):
I think it happened because somebody who was clearly
suffering from severe mentalillness had access to weapons
that would allow them to carryout a terrible shooting and the
mental illness.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
So they can't even let him make his point.
Notice that they have to stophim.
He's trying to make his point.
Notice that they have to stophim.
He's trying to make his point.
He's gathering his thoughts andthey're like well, yeah, but
mental illness, I had access toguns.
Yeah, but guns.
He's trying to say what I'msaying and what the reality of

(35:03):
the situation is saying.
Listen again.

Speaker 15 (35:05):
Happened because of guns.
I think it happened becausesomebody who was clearly
suffering from severe mentalillness had access to weapons
that would allow them to carryout a terrible Well, and the
mental illness was encouraged.
And but, scott, what aboutpeople who don't have mental
illness around this?

Speaker 2 (35:25):
People who don't have mental illness do not shoot up
schools.
If you don't have a mentalillness, you're not shooting up
schools.
No sane person does that.

Speaker 15 (35:43):
My mind is blown, my mind is blown and when you look
at the messages that werewritten in some of the materials
and on the weapons that we'veseen, I mean this person
obviously was in a dark, darkplace.
I want to know.
Obviously.
I'm not sure the government isin that person's life enough to
know, but his parents are?

Speaker 17 (36:03):
What about Scott?
What about people who don'thave mental illness?
We have a huge gun violenceissue here in the United States.
We need the gun violence.

Speaker 15 (36:14):
But the issue today is quite obviously mental
illness and if you take away themental illness, it still leaves
the guns.
Well, I think I think the firstquestion you have to ask is why
did it happen?

Speaker 2 (36:26):
And they have to blame guns.
They have to.
It's in the script.
He's deviating from the script.
Interrupt him.
Don't let him deviate from thescript.
Here's Caroline Leavittanswering a question about Jen

(36:46):
Psaki and her comments that wecovered a little while earlier.
It's their knee-jerk reaction.
They have to make it about guns.

Speaker 14 (36:56):
I have two questions for you Democrats, including
the former White House presssecretary, jen Psaki, and
Minneapolis mayor Jacob Brayattacked Bray and pushed gun
control.
In the aftermath of yesterday'sshooting, what's the White
House's response to theircomments?

Speaker 7 (37:10):
Yes, I saw the comments of my predecessor, ms
Psaki, and, frankly, I thinkthey're incredibly insensitive
and disrespectful to the tens ofmillions of Americans of faith
across this country who believein the power of prayer, who
believe that prayer works andwho believe that, in a time of
mourning like this, youngchildren were killed while

(37:32):
praying in a church.
It's utterly disrespectful toderide the power of prayer in
this country and it'sdisrespectful to the millions of
Americans of faith and I wouldencourage Ms Saki to pray for
these families themselves.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, 100%.
And then Gavin Newsom sharedthis and said these children
were literally praying when theygot shot at.
I mean, that guy's just afrigging joke.
That guy is just a joke.
Here is RFK, and what he didhere caused a freaking ruckus,

(38:14):
caused a massive scene.
Everybody's resigning at theCDC.
They're all freaking out.
My answer to that is good.
The CDC should be 100% completeand built from the ground up.
It's a disgrace what they haveallowed to be done to us as
citizens the poisoning that theyhave been bribed to, allowing

(38:35):
companies to place in our foodthat are causing cancers, the
horrible medicines that they'represcribing to people every day
to treat the illnesses that arein the food.
The whole thing is a friggingscam.
It's not a conspiracy.
It's the reality of what'shappening and that's why RFK is
in there.
He is the head of the CDC, he'sthe head of human health
services for the entire UnitedStates of America and he is

(38:59):
saying what I just said.
So anybody wants to say I'msome frigging conspiracy, nut
conspiracy, kook.
Whatever, prove me wrong.
Prove me wrong with facts.
That is precisely what'shappening.
Let's listen to what he has tosay.

Speaker 18 (39:16):
I certainly consider mass shootings a health crisis
and we are doing, for the firsttime, real studies to find out
what the ideology of that is.
And we're looking for the firsttime at psychiatric drugs.
You know these kind of matters.
People have had guns in thiscountry forever.
When I was a kid we hadshooting clubs at our school.

(39:39):
People, kids, my classmates,other people would bring a .22
rifle with their guns to schooland park it in the parking lot.
Nobody was shootingsince.
There's never been a time inAmerica in the history of
humanity when people walked intoa crowd, into a church or a
movie theater or a school or acrowd of strangers and just

(40:01):
started randomly shooting.
It's happening in our country,it's not happening around the
world and there are many othercountries that have comparable
levels of guns that we have inthis country.
We had comparable levels in the40s, 50s and 60s and people
weren't doing that.
Something changed and itdramatically changed human

(40:22):
behavior and one of the culpritswe need to examine is whether
the fact that we are the mostover-medicated nation in the
world and a lot of those arepsychiatric drugs that have
black box warnings on them thatwarn of suicidal and homicidal
ideation.
So we are doing those studiesright now for the first time and

(40:46):
we will have an answer Good.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
The drugs literally warn you that you may become
suicidal or homicidal.
Well, first of all, ifsomebody's suicidal, they're
homicidal.
Remember that.
If they're suicidal, they'rehomicidal.
They're willing to killthemselves.
They're willing to kill you andanybody else to take you with
them.
That's serious mental illness,serious mental illness.

(41:15):
And if the drugs literally sayon the bottle be careful, this
may make you suicidal, that'ssomething we may not want to
give out, unless it's a serioussituation that needs to happen.
That's the only time it shouldbe given out.

(41:35):
Here is Joey Jones on the 5thtalking about the left's insane
gun grab or attempt to grab guns.

Speaker 19 (41:57):
Make sure they didn't have those guns.
If you treated transgenderidentity problems as mental
health problems which is exactlywhat it is, I'm sorry problems,
which is exactly what it is,I'm sorry you don't.
You want me to prove I'm notevil to own a gun, but I'm a
bigot.
Because I want you to proveyou're not crazy, because you
want to change your identity.
Those two things don't line upfor you.
I don't get that.
5%, 20 million AR style guns inthis country, 20 million of 400

(42:22):
million guns in this countryonly 4% of guns used in homicide
or rifles, and that's a muchbigger category than AR.
So what you're saying is youwant me to ban 5% of the guns in
this country that are used in4% of the homicides and that's
going to save our kids?
No, it's going to stop instancelike this?
Probably not, because they'realready out there.

(42:43):
Is it going to stop Democratsfrom using incidents like this
to find some linchpin to raisemoney and create fear and maybe
win an election?
No, they're not going to stopeither, because they still say
that we want to prevent gaypeople from getting married, and
that's been buried for a longtime.
What it's going to do is it'sgoing to stop people from, like
me, from going and buying a gunfrom someone I know to be

(43:06):
law-abiding, to use to hunt withor protect my house or you know
what to relieve stress withbecause it's been a long day and
I want to go shoot a target.
That's my right.
That's the right of 350 millionAmericans.
It's protected in theConstitution.
If you want to take a flip sideof this, you said that the
National Guard for theseincidents is gun control.

(43:28):
How about I tell you this?
183 kids died in Illinois lastyear on average so could have
been more last year from gunviolence.
More than half of those werehandguns.
Let's see 20 a year die in DC,Most of those handguns.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
The majority of gun deaths in the United States are
handguns and there was a reportthat came out recently that are
saying oh, the number one killerof children in this country is
guns.
Absolute nonsense.
Bs 16 and 17-year-oldgangbangers in the United States

(44:07):
who are killing each other withguns in ghettos, in democratic
ghettos across the United States.
Yeah, if you're counting actualchildren, innocent children not
involved in the gang world,it's not.
It's just a statistic that theleft is manipulating again to

(44:27):
try to take your weapons away.
That is their goal.
They want you unarmed.
They want you unarmed.
They want you silenced and theywant complete and total
autonomous control over you andwhat you do and how you act and
how you think.
They want 1984 to be a realitywhile they are in power.

(44:47):
The left doesn't build anything.
The left only destroys, andthey've even destroyed
themselves.
That's how good they are atdestroying things.
They've destroyed our educationsystem.
Harvard used to be a reputableplace.
Now people laugh if you've gota degree from Harvard.

(45:08):
That used to be a place where,if you got into that place, man,
you were the best educatedperson in the world.
But the left destroyed it.
They destroyed our newsorganizations News, cnn.
If you were an anchor on CNN,you were considered to be beyond
reproach.

Speaker 19 (45:25):
They destroyed that, but now they're destroying
themselves, because that's whatthey did Since 1999, since well,
let's go back to 1999, becausethat's Columbine Since over the
last 25 years, that means 250children died in DC from gun
violence, mostly handguns.
In that same period of time,less than 210 children died in
what we would call a massshooting, and not all of those

(45:46):
were from an AR.
Why do I bring this up?
It's not in some major defenseof AR.
It's to say, the Democrats areabsolutely 100%, not at all
concerned with saving the livesof children.
Because if you are, you'regoing to President Trump right
now and saying God, please bringthe National Guard to Chicago.

(46:06):
183 kids a year die from gunviolence, most of them handguns.
And just because of DC versusHeller and the Bruin rule,
handguns are the mostconstitutionally protected gun
out there.
What's that mean?
It means Democrats can't goafter them.
They've tried to.
It failed.
The Supreme Court said nope,you have the right to carry them
.
So now they're going to goafter 5% of guns, using 4% of

(46:27):
homicides at best, becausethat's the political win.
But the actual win the savingchildren's lives is what Trump's
doing in DC right now.
The actual win the savingchildren's lives.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
He has a good point trying to stop the death of all
these children in the UnitedStates by fixing the crime in
the Democratic friggin' dumpsthat they have built.
So the mother of the shooterher name is Mary Mary Westman is

(47:02):
coming under a lot of scrutinybecause at this time okay, hear
me out, hear me out before youfreak out and disagree with me
she's not cooperating withpolice.
She's hired a defense attorney.
She wants nothing to do, nocommunication, no, anything.
Now you can look at that as twoways.

(47:25):
The one way that everybody islooking at that is that she's
guilty.
She must have done somethingwrong.
Well, not necessarily.
Okay, what we've seen in someof the most recent mass
shootings are the parents beingpersecuted because the child is
dead.
So they start going after theparents.

(47:46):
That's a scary thing for aparent.
Okay, sure, sure.
I can feel you screaming atyour car while you're driving
down the road at me saying, ryan, the parents should have known.
Yeah, they should have known.
They should have known.
These parents changed thischild's gender when they were

(48:09):
underage.
The parents did, they went tothe court and the court
documents are all over the place.
You can look at it and theysigned over their child to
change their name from a mannamed from Robert to Robin.
He was transitioning.
I do think that that is childabuse.
I'm sorry I do.
I could be wrong.
You could disagree, that's fine.

(48:29):
I don't think changing yourchild's gender is healthy for
that child.
That's insane.
But I do understand that thereis going to be a witch hunt, as
there typically is, and they'regoing to go after who they can,
and maybe the mother is aware ofthat.

(48:50):
And yeah, kat said it best.
She's scared, shitless, and sheshould be.
She should be.
I don't know, you know, I don'tknow.
I still haven't confirmedwhether or not Robin lived at
home with her mom.
They're saying that the mom isin Florida.
The mom used to be a teacher atthe school that was shot up.

(49:15):
Josh says 100% child abuse.
Yeah, dude, I agree, 100% childabuse.
Let's watch this clip, though,because Fox News talks about it.

Speaker 20 (49:28):
The FBI has released new details on the Minnesota
school shooting.
As a memorial continues to growoutside the Annunciation
Catholic School.
An eight and a 10-year-old weremurdered in the tragedy and in
total 15 children were injured,with at least nine still in the
hospital and one that remains incritical condition.

(49:50):
The parents have no form ofanswers, but police say one
close family member to theshooter is leaving everyone in
the dark.
Hello everyone, this isOutnumbered.
I'm Emily Campagno and alsojoining us today, Molly Lyon,
Fox News correspondent.
Tommy Lahren, Fox Newscontributor and host of Tommy
Lahren, is fearless on Outkickand Fox News dot com, and

(50:13):
joining us on the couch for thevery first time is Tiffany
Smiley, founder of the EndeavorPack and former US Senate
candidate, and Guy Benson, FoxNews contributor and the host of
the Guy Benson show on Fox Newsradio.
Now Minneapolis police say theshooter was obsessed with
killing children and carried outthe massacre to gain notoriety.

(50:35):
Police say he fired 116 roundswith a rifle and three with a
shotgun.
Fox News confirms the shooter.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
So he did use a shotgun I guess it wasn't all
the assault rifle.
That's a lot of rounds.
A hundred and something roundsis a lot of rounds.
But only 17 children wereinjured and two were killed.
So 19 people were hit out of340 in a hundred and something
rounds.
It's not very good aim, buthere's one of the things that

(51:07):
saved the school.
Their protocol helped save theschool.
So the protocol is when thechildren in the church and the
children in prayer.
All of the doors were lockedand nobody was able to get in.
So the shooter tried to get in.
Couldn't get in the door so hadto shoot through the windows.
That saved countless lives.
And that's some of the a lot ofthe protocols we're seeing

(51:30):
across the United States.
But they need more.
They need more equipment.
They need bulletproof glass.
They need bullet like.
We need this all over theUnited States.
Every school should have it100%.

Speaker 20 (51:42):
Who previously worked at the school where the
shooter attacked, has hired acriminal defense attorney, now
pleading able to interview herWatch.

Speaker 21 (51:51):
We do know that the shooter did attend mass there
previously.
The shooter did attend schooland the shooter's mother was an
employee of the parishpreviously, for some time.
So obviously there is aconnection between that shooter
and this particular parish.
I know we have not beensuccessful in talking to the

(52:12):
shooter's mother yet at thistime, but there continue to be
efforts made to get that done.

Speaker 20 (52:19):
The mother's attorney gave Fox News Digital
this statement quote she iscompletely distraught about the
situation and has no culpability, but is seeking an attorney to
deal with calls like this.
And now FBI Director Kash Patelsays investigators have
collected enough evidence thatpoints directly to an act of
domestic terrorism motivated bya hate filled ideology.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Yes, thank you, yes, thank you.
Finally an FBI that isacknowledging it, with Audrey
Hale the shooter.
I think it was South Carolina,it was an undercover journalist
team from Louder with Crowder,had to get the manifesto and it

(53:04):
took years, years and they foundout yep, trans, yep, trans, yep
, just like we knew the entiretime, and they refused to even
acknowledge that she was transbecause the democrats were in
power.
Now that the republicans are inpower, all of this, even the
media is reporting everything.
Nobody's being suppressed,which is crazy that the
government would even have thatkind of influence, but nobody's

(53:25):
being suppressed, and that's howit should be.
And yeah, this is an act ofdomestic terrorism.
It's racial and he targetedwhite Christians because that's
the ideology that he had.

Speaker 20 (53:37):
An absolutely tragic situation.
Tiffany, as we learn more, itappears we won't be learning
more from the mother of theshooter.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
Yeah, well, I mean.
First, this senseless act ofviolence is absolutely
gut-wrenching.
It just hits you hard.
I'm a mom of three boys whojust started Catholic school and
my whole heart and prayers goesout to the whole community, to
the parents, to the kids, to theteachers and even to this
shooter's mom.
I can't imagine the weight ofthe world that is on her

(54:08):
shoulders, the responsibility.
I don't think any of us canfathom what perhaps she is
feeling in this moment.
While I would like to see hercooperating with law enforcement
, I would like to see her putout a statement to her lawyer.
I think it's going to take timeand I just can't imagine.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Think about it, the most likely scenario here.
This is a lady who worked atthe school I'm not sure in what
capacity, but let's presume it'sa teacher.
Teachers love kids.
That's why they do it.
Because they don't get paid,they don't make a lot of money,
so they do it because they lovechildren.
They're protectors of children.
They see themselves aseducators.

(54:47):
Dedicates her whole life to thatwhether she retired right from
the school, so she had beenthere long enough to at least
retire from the school.
So they she spends her wholelife doing that.
And then her own child goesthere and murders people.
That is horrible.
That's horrible.
So my presumption with her is Idon't think that she has she's

(55:14):
involved or anything.
I think she's terrified thatthey're going to come after her.
I think she's terrified thatthere was had to.
There was all of thiscontroversy her whole life, or
at least her son's life, overthe just whether it was he was
directly involved in thecontroversy or not she
participated in it.
There's definitely some someserious, serious, passionate

(55:39):
frustration with parents who whotransition their children and
even at the request of doctors.
So she's hiding.
She's hiding because she'safraid of the ramifications.
That doesn't mean she's guiltyof anything you got to remember,
man.
As a United States citizen, youhave a right to say no, I'm not

(56:03):
talking to the police, that anylawyer will always advise you
to do, no matter what thesituation is.
So let's not assume she'sguilty.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Let's assume she's innocent and that she is just
terrified and completelyemotionally devastated that the
child she brought into thisworld murdered children that she
loved at a place that shededicated her life to the place
that she is in, but as we goalong, she's going to have to
communicate and work with lawenforcement to get to the bottom

(56:33):
of this, and I would hope thatshe could put something out
sooner than later, just foreveryone in the community.

Speaker 20 (56:39):
Your compassion is so generous and we should again
remind viewers she was part ofthe community too, the
enunciation community.

Speaker 17 (56:47):
Yeah, so you think about this as a parent and
you've lost your kid, which isunimaginable and horrendous, and
then, with that, compoundingthe grief and the confusion and
perhaps the anger, is the factthat your kid also murdered
other kids in the process ofthis horrific atrocity.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, man, that's horrible.
Yeah, man, that's horrible.
And now you're worried, AJD,and now you're worried that the
federal government is going tocome after you and put you away.
I don't like I said, I don'tknow.
It doesn't mean she's innocenteither, but protecting yourself
and hiring an attorney does notmean that you're guilty, man.
It does not mean that you'reguilty.

Speaker 17 (57:30):
Sorry.
So there is some sense ofempathy that I feel.
That being said, if there weresigns that were missed, I'm sure
she's probably thinking if sheshould have known something or
did know something.
We need to know that, and I dothink it's important for her to
cooperate with law enforcement.
She doesn't have to talk to usin the media I understand that

(57:53):
but law enforcement she shouldcooperate with, because if she's
distraught, which I'm sure sheis, I think she owes this to
herself and especially to thefamilies of the victims, of her
son, to help law enforcement tothe greatest extent possible.
And if she's not doing that,especially a few days from now,
I think that's a problem.

Speaker 20 (58:13):
And Molly perhaps.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I don't think it's a problem at all.
I'm sorry, I don't think it's aproblem at all.
I think she I would base myopinion on her political stance,
based on who her child was, Iwould definitely say she's
probably, I would assume, justpure speculation.
I'm going to assume the motherof a trans child that she helped

(58:35):
transition and get his legalname changed is not a huge fan
of Donald Trump and maybe she'sterrified that the federal
government, Kash Patel and DanBongino are going to come after
her and use her as an example,which is possible.
The FBI, Dan Bongino, KashPatel sent a team there
immediately.

(58:57):
We've never seen that in aschool shooting before.
Immediately, kash Patel, theyput out tweets and said the FBI
is on the way, so we may seecharges against the mother or
the father or the brother or thesister.
Anybody who is culpable isgoing to get.
That's the way they're doingtheir school shootings.
Now they're going after theparents.

(59:19):
I'm going to show you theparents that it happened to
previously, but let's finishwatching this.

Speaker 20 (59:25):
Is there some type of fear of legal retribution
that is obfuscating herwillingness to cooperate so that
everyone in our collect can,yes, learn something to prevent
it from ever happening againthere?

Speaker 22 (59:37):
have been a number of parents in the course of
these similar tragedies massshootings that have been
prosecuted in the wake of them.
There was, most notably, thatthe Crumbly's Jennifer and James
Crumbly.
They were the first parents tobe prosecuted.
Their son was a minor when hecommitted his acts killing four
students.
That was at the Oxford HighSchool.
But there have also beenparents who've been charged

(59:57):
after their sons, in these cases, committed mass killings, but
when they were adults.
There were several examples thefather of the Nashville Waffle
House shooter.
That individual that committedthe shooting was 29 years old at
the time of the shooting at theWaffle House.
The father of a man who killedseven people.
That happened in a Fourth ofJuly parade in 2022 in Illinois,

(01:00:17):
the Highland Park shooting.
That shooter at the time of theshooting was an adult as well.
In the case of that particularfather, he signed his son's
application for an Illinoisfirearms identification card
three years before the massacre.
He was ultimately pleadingguilty to seven counts of
misdemeanor reckless conduct.
So parents have facedculpability when similar.

(01:00:42):
Perhaps she might be thinking alittle bit about this, but if
you have a lawyer, you couldalso use that lawyer perhaps to
express some empathy for thevictims.

Speaker 20 (01:00:51):
Right, and it's surprising frankly just as a
bystander here, tommy that therehaven't been communication
directly with law enforcement,considering that on the day of
that tragedy, within minutesafter that person was identified
, then she would have beenbrought in to Guy's Point too.
It was part of the right.

Speaker 12 (01:01:09):
Yeah, this feels odd and it's hard not to feel like
it's odd.
It's not even have an interview.
I understand getting yourselfan attorney because you want to
protect yourself to your pointand I think that that's
understandable.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Just a fun fact about Tommy Lauren.
I used to love Tommy Lauren andthen we kind of got connected
not in any way like that, butshe was going to come on the
show and then she tried tocharge me to come on the show
and I laughed.
So fun fact about Tommy Loren.
I have a little bad taste in mymouth ever since then.

(01:01:46):
That's a true story.
I got the text to prove it.

Speaker 12 (01:01:50):
What's not is not cooperating, especially with law
enforcement.
To your point, guys, shedoesn't necessarily owe us the
public anything but something,and you owe these families
something.
I can't help but think.
Going back to the Gabby Petitocase and Brian Launder's family,
I can't help but think thatwhen they were not cooperating
with police, but theyimmediately got a criminal
defense attorney, they said youcan talk to him.
We're not saying anything,we're not going to talk about it

(01:02:12):
.
This feels to me eerily similar.
I'm not saying that she has anyculpability.
I'm sure she doesn't.
She was living in another state.
However, if you do feel likeyou need a defense attorney, you
still need to cooperate withpolice.
You owe the community that muchand by her not doing that I her

(01:02:33):
not doing that, I think a lotof the empathy that all of you
feel for her.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
That's going to dissipate in the public eye
pretty quickly.
Yeah, I mean, that may be, thatmay be true.
You may.
Her empathy may disappear inthe public eye.
But you know, honestly, she'sprotecting herself and I can't
blame her for that becausethere's going to be a witch hunt
.
She could, I mean, listen if herdoctors and she's taking the
kid to the doctor and she'strying to get treatment like my

(01:02:58):
child is unstable.
My child thinks he's a girl, Idon't know what to do.
Then the doctors are saying, oh, you need to fill him full of
this medicine and we need to gethim transitioned and you need
to go ahead and start hormonetherapy.
And she's listening to thedoctors and putting him on SSRIs
and all these medications.
And she's listening to thedoctors and it screwed him up to

(01:03:20):
the point where, in the end, hedecides like I'm not a tranny
man, I'm not.
That's what he said.
In the end he has regrets.
Imagine going through all ofthat and then getting to the age
of 23 and realizing you're nota girl, you're a boy.

(01:03:42):
Imagine that, that your wholechildhood is gone.
Everybody makes fun of you,nobody.
You know you're the weird kidat school.
You're transitioning in height,like that's insanity.
It's insanity, and I think thatshe's going to be held

(01:04:04):
accountable for some of thedecisions that she's made, so
she doesn't have to cooperate.
Does she owe to the community?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't think she's necessarilypersonally responsible for her
child's actions.
I think sometimes as a society,we want to blame the parents

(01:04:25):
for everything, but I think oursociety is corrupt and as
parents, we do our best and andsometimes it doesn't work out
that way.
Sometimes our children getcorrupted by evil man.
Evil is out there in the worldand it's our job to protect our
children from it, and sometimesit's very hard.
There are plenty of parents andtheir children get addicted to

(01:04:50):
drugs and then they're outrobbing people, stealing other
people's money, and sometimesthey rob and kill people.
Are the parents responsible forthat?
It's a tough thing to solelyblame the parent, but I think
she's just scared.
I think she is overwhelminglygrievous, scared.

(01:05:17):
I think she is overwhelminglygrievous.
There is no way that she justhas to be completely and utterly
destroyed.
Her life is completely ruined.
Her reputation is completelyruined.
It will never be normal again.
She lives all the way inFlorida.
She wasn't even there when ithappened, and then on top of her
son being a shooter, she findsout he did it at the place that
she worked.
I don't think that thatnecessarily makes her guilty,

(01:05:40):
because she's terrified thatthey're going to persecute her.

Speaker 20 (01:05:42):
It's such a good point, the public perception
versus legal culpability and thereality that I think that the
public understands.
You know there's not.
There's a level of support thatone has for their children that
is not to be confused with theculpability of their nefarious
intentions, and it seems likethere hasn't been a judgmental
approach to this horrificsituation that we know of at

(01:06:03):
this point.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
Right, well, and you've got to think as a mother,
you take that responsibility onand I'm sure she is feeling
that.
But, like I said, and to yourpoint, tommy, she should put out
a statement through her lawyer,to the community, to the victim
, and show that she issympathetic and that she cares,
and I think that would go a longway.

(01:06:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
I would imagine she's sympathetic.
I don't need a statement fromthe mother.
You know, I'm not sure I wouldbe in the right mind to give a
statement.
If I was in her shoes I don'tthink I would be in the right
mind to make a statement.
So here is I mean, but thesocial media is trying to turn

(01:06:54):
this into something that it'snot.
It's what social media does andyou know this is developing.
Mother of transgenderMinneapolis mass shooter Robin
Westman appears to have fled andis not cooperating with police
and retained a criminal defenseattorney.
I'm not sure if she fled.
I think that's amisrepresentation of what

(01:07:17):
happened.
I don't think that she had fled.
I think that is not accurate.
This is a photo of the family.
The one on the right is Robin,and then that's the mother, and
then I'm not sure who the twoothers are.
The mother has the white pantson and then the other two are

(01:07:37):
perhaps his sisters.
So you know, it's easy for us tosit here and judge and say
there had to be signs, and I'msure there were signs, but
nobody ever believes that theirchild is going to do that, that
they're going to be a statistic,or their parents, or that
they're going to be the ones whohave to face this situation.

(01:08:01):
The kid obviously had problems.
The parents had to take him toget freaking sexually mutilated.
Yeah, that's a sign of seriousmental illness.
So I think we need to see howthat plays out.
There may be evidence, theremay be things where the mother

(01:08:21):
is culpable, because I'm surethe FBI already has the cell
phone records of both of them.
Maybe the kid texted the momand said I'm thinking about
doing this and the mom didnothing about it.
There could be something there.
I'm not saying that there's not.
What I'm saying is is thatright now there is no evidence
to suggest that the mother isculpable for anything, simply

(01:08:43):
because she retained an attorney.
Jd said them.
Saying shit is a very heavyword coming from news anchors,
in my opinion.
Correct me if I'm wrong, butwasn't he living in his own
apartment?
I'm not sure if he was livingon his own apartment.
I'm not sure if the mother wasthere.
I don't really have thoseanswers, but what I do know is

(01:09:04):
that we're going to continue tocover this.
We have covered this for twoshows in a row.
I wasn't on last night.
I apologize for for that, butwe're going to.
We're just going to stay on topof this and the the the the
thing is is that this is justfull disclosure and that's.
You know it's a horrible event,it's tragic, but you know, I'm

(01:09:25):
so used to with these shootingsyou never find out anything.
That's super secret.
You know you never.
You, we don't get manifestos.
I mean, they're interviewingkids.
They're interviewing kids atthe school who were there, whose
friends are in the hospital,and do I think it's necessarily

(01:09:46):
good to put kids on camera?
I mean, I don't think it'snecessarily good, but I don't
think it's bad If the parentsare okay with it.
Obviously I think it's good tohave primary sources so we can
know what happened.
I don't think there's anythingwrong with that.

(01:10:10):
But this is something we'rejust going to continue to cover
and we're going to look at it asoften as we can and we'll keep
you updated as updates come in.
Man, I mean that's that's,that's really it.
Why can't I find any of theseinterviews?
I'm sitting here talking abouthow it's so.

(01:10:33):
They've been so transparent andnow I can't find anything that
I'm looking for.
But the All right, let me seeif I can find something here

(01:10:56):
here.
Yeah, here's a kid on GoodMorning America.
We've never seen this before.

Speaker 24 (01:11:04):
Actual kids interviewing are now emerging,
of the panicked moments insidethat church and also the bravery
of everyone who is inside thatchurch as well.
We're joined now by 13-year-oldJaven Willis.
He's an eighth grader atAnnunciation.
He's with us along with hismother, Melissa.
Javen, let me start with you.

(01:11:25):
I know you've been atAnnunciation for a number of
years now.
You're in mass yesterday withyour buddy and all of a sudden
you hear those shots ring out.
What did you do then, Javen?

Speaker 25 (01:11:39):
Well, right when I heard the shots, I knew
something was off.
I didn't think that they wouldhave.
A lot of my classmates thoughtit was confetti and fireworks,
but I didn't think they wouldhave that during the middle of
the church service.
So, honestly, it was just atthat point I was like I want to
try to keep everybody as safe aspossible.
So I told me and my two buddiesto get down and to get under

(01:12:00):
the pew.
And right when I told them thatit was like a state of shock
for me and I knew that I had totry to keep as many people
around me as I could safe, Whileyou're down there on the floor,
keeping yourself safe, keepingyour buddy safe, what was going
through your mind?
Well, right when it happened, Idropped down under the pew, like

(01:12:23):
I said, and I prayed, and Isaid my few prayers and then I
realized like I can't just sithere and focus on myself,
knowing that with God on my sideI would be fine.
So I tried to just go and helpout my fellow classmates, try to
keep them calm and safe and letthem know that they'll be OK.

Speaker 24 (01:12:44):
You're a young man of great faith.
I understand that you were.
You were just baptized lastweek.
I understand that you were justbaptized last week.
Mom, I want to turn to you fora second because, as I
understand it, you're on thislike a lot of moms.
You're on this text thread withmoms.
You're at work, you start tohear about what's going on there
at the church.
You spring into action.
You get to the gym.

(01:13:05):
What did you see when you gotthere?

Speaker 16 (01:13:12):
What was that experience like for you?
I mean, it was terrifying.
You just never think that thisis going to be your reality.
There was quite a largeperimeter set up, so I just
parked as soon as I got within acouple of blocks of the school
and by the time I got there,they were already starting to
let parents into the gym to lookfor our kids.
So I didn't have to wait,thankfully, but yeah, they were

(01:13:33):
ushering us all in and down tothe gym, where the kids were all
at, to find our kids.

Speaker 24 (01:13:40):
And you saw your boy there and you were able to put
your arms around him for thefirst time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
I mean, all right, let's just address the elephant
in the room.
Is this kid adopted or what'sgoing on here?
I don't know the story.
He may be adopted, may not, butit doesn't matter, right?
But yeah, man.
I mean kids are doinginterviews.
I've never seen this at at aschool shooting.

(01:14:10):
It's unheard of.
And he's like one of many.
There have been a ton of them.
Here is let's watch this one.

Speaker 14 (01:14:57):
Let's watch this.
Earlier, our Lou Ragou spoke toa 10-year-old boy who was
inside the church, seated rightnext to a child that was shot
and, in fact, protected byanother child in that church.
Lou, that's probably one of themost powerful things we've
heard today.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
I totally agree.
This is a story of survival.
It's also a story of heroismwhen it was safe to do so.
This family approached us sothat their fifth grader could
share how his life was saved.
It was really scary.
Ten-year-old Weston Halsney hadjust sat down at Annunciation
Catholic Schools Mass to markthe first week of school.

Speaker 23 (01:15:27):
And then it was like maybe like three minutes in the
first shot fired.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
The first shot of dozens as Weston and his
schoolmates scrambled to hideunder the church pews.

Speaker 23 (01:15:39):
Right beside me.
I was like two seats away fromthe stained glass windows, so
they were like.
The shots were like right nextto me.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
That's scary.
Yeah, you went under the pewafter that happened.

Speaker 23 (01:15:49):
Yeah, is that what?
Everyone tried to do I think Igot like gunpowder on my neck.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Gunpowder on his neck in his life saved by a friend.

Speaker 23 (01:15:59):
My friend Victor like saved me though because he
laid on top of me, but he gothit.
My friend got hit in the back.
Yeah, he went to the hospital.
What went through your mindwhen you saw that?
I was super scared for him, butI think now he's okay.
From the church where theshooting took place.

(01:16:21):
Weston and the student bodyevacuated to the gym.
We went to the gym and then thedoors locked just to make sure
he didn't come.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
By then the shooter was already dead.

Speaker 23 (01:16:28):
And then the police were really good because they
showed up really quick.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Weston's grandpa says their family is doing as well
as anyone can.
After what happened, when ithappens to your own children,
then you're going to think verydifferently about this and
there's only one way to thinkabout it and there's nothing
this precious little boy everdid to deserve this did to
deserve this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Yeah, I mean, it's wild.
I've never seen kidsinterviewed at a school shooting
ever, unless I'm wrong.
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