October 2, 2023 • 45 mins
Has the hustle and bustle of your workplace ever made you pause and wonder about the importance of mental health? This week, we've got Joe Martinez, safety professional at Glacier Construction, sharing his journey in the safety industry, which includes a stint at OSHA, and how he uses mindfulness to foster a positive work environment. Joe's experiences offer a fresh perspective on dealing with challenges in the workplace, emphasizing the integral role of mental health in the construction industry.
We're digging deep into the concept of mindfulness in the workplace, as Joe passionately advocates for mental health and supportive environments. He shares his transformation from a labor worker to a safety professional, proving that positivity and kindness can revolutionize a work setting. However, the conversation doesn't end there. We switch gears and delve into his personal life, discussing how he balances career growth with personal loss. Joe also reveals how his family has shaped him into the man he is today.
Finally, we unfold a very personal chapter of Joe's life - the memory of his late daughter, Quinny, and the beautiful symbolism of butterflies in his life. We talk about the strength found in grief, understanding our true purpose, and the importance of asking for help. This conversation is a reminder that we all have the capacity to find beauty in our struggles, and how embracing difficult times can lead to personal growth. Join us for this deep, heartfelt conversation with Joe Martinez. You don't want to miss it!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
We ready, awesome.
Well, welcome.
Today.
We got somebody here for you.
His name is Joe Martinez.
He's another safetyprofessional.
I'm going to let Joe tell youyou know who he is, what he does
, and then we'll go from there.
Well, thank you for having me,kenyon.
(00:21):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, been a longtime coming.
I know we've kind ofrescheduled a couple of times,
but, man, I'm glad that we got alink up today.
So I'm Joe Martinez.
I am now with GlacierConstruction.
I've been there in NovemberI'll be a year.
I had a short stint at OSHA.
Before that I was at a WagnerCaterpillar Wow.
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So I've been in the safetyindustry probably about little
under nine years, man, and it'sbeen great.
I love it.
Wow, you got to see it lookslike you know from here in the
US.
It looks like you know fromhere and you really got to see a
couple different, really somedifferent sides of the industry
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did A lot of people don't alwayshear about on the back end.
You know, here it is.
You're working at a for cat, atthe equipment place.
What did you do there while youwere here?
Because I don't think people alot of people know exactly what
happens at cat and what did you?
What was your job for them as asafety manager?
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Yeah, so I, cat.
When I first started there, Iwas just a safety specialist.
I was there for a couple months, got promoted to a regional
safety specialist.
Okay, I mean, man, cat is a.
It's a different world, right?
We had 5,000 employees in ourregion alone.
Tons of you know injuries,accidents.
I mean look what they mess withevery day.
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They're messing with big heavyiron every single day, every day
Cranes, rigging tools, line offire.
I mean that was it.
It was a different beast.
You know we had welders paintbooths.
I mean that was.
I love that place, though, man,I have nothing but good things
to say about Wagner cat.
It was a great experience forme.
It was a definitely a learningopportunity.
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People don't realize.
You know what those guys andgirls put themselves through
every day fixing these heavy.
You know yellow iron is what Icall it, right.
You know I still see them onthe side of the road and you
know what we don't think aboutis a lot of these mechanics.
They work by themselves and youknow how do we know if someone
goes down?
You know you don't know, right,until something happens, or you
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know a certain, you know theowner of that iron comes by and
sees them.
But man, that's a toughindustry and I could, I can't
even imagine.
Yeah, I mean, and kind of what Idid is I floated through New
Mexico, colorado and then theWest Texas region so I just
overseen kind of.
Well, I wasn't the manager, Ihad a manager above me, but I
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would go and make sure I mostlystayed on the inspection side.
So I'd go inspect thefacilities, because there's tons
of caterpillar facilities, youknow, in the western region
itself.
So I'd go, you know, doinspections on their facilities,
make sure everything lookedgood.
You know kind of what we dodaily, right, right Ringing
inspections, tool inspections,electrical cord inspections,
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fall pro inspections, and Iwould just try to, you know, lay
another set of eyes on it,because you know what it's like
in the safety industry.
You get tunnel vision, you know, and you start not looking at
certain things because you lookat the same thing every day.
Well, you don't know that, thatsynthetic strap starting to
tear and tear more.
So, yeah, I would just do thatand travel a little bit with
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them and overseen a little bitwhat everybody was doing.
Awesome, awesome, wow.
So I heard you, you know youwent from there and then you
went into the OSHA side ofthings.
Wow, that's like a.
I mean, what did you say?
You went to the dark side, man,I did, you know, and.
But at the end of the day, I'mnot to me.
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For me that's the dark side is.
It is the dark side, right, butat the end of the day, you guys
are just helping implement andhelping companies enforce the
right thing for the employeesactually doing the work.
So it's really not the darkside, it is it's.
You might see some dark things,but if you learn how to work
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with OSHA, they can definitelybe a great partner.
I've worked with them when Iwas in Minnesota, but they can
definitely really help you getover the hump on if you're
stagnant or you need some ideas.
So talk about, talk about OSHA,man, how, you know how, what
made you even think about youknow going that way and and you
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know just how that went.
Yeah, so when I decided, youknow I was at CAT and we had
some leadership changes and thenactually a recruiter for OSHA,
a federal recruiter, reached outto me and honestly, I kind of
said the same thing.
I don't know if I can go to thedark side, you know.
But I started thinking about itmore and more and I said, you
know, this might be a good, youknow, career move for me, you
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know, because I, you know, asmost safety nerds are, we do
like the OSHA, you know, I meanwe have to abide by the rules.
So I'm like, hey, this is goingto give me a direct insight of
why we do things a certain way.
I think it would be a good, youknow, great opportunity for
regrow.
So I started there and, like Isaid, it was a short, very short
stint, I would say, you know,less than seven, eight months,
kind of the day-to-dayactivities.
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You know, I was during mytraining periods, of course, so
I was only able to go on acouple inspections.
Unfortunately some of themweren't the best inspections to
go and get your feet wet on.
But I just, you know, I lookedat a lot of the paperwork they
called the FOM Field OperationsManual and I'd kind of just
review and read I mean, that'sreally all I did at OSHA was
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read why we have to do things acertain way.
That's always intrigued me iswell, why do we have to do that
Like I'm always the first personto say, well, why do we have to
do it that way?
Like that doesn't make sense tome.
So I'm always like I don't wantto say, I challenge, but I just
.
Sometimes people just have toexplain it to me a couple more
times so it'll really hit homewith me.
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You know OSHA, there's a lot ofgreat people in OSHA.
I still, you know, have somerelationship with some of the
senior officers over there andsome of the compliance officers,
and I still reach out to them,you know, monthly, weekly, daily
, sometimes if I have a questionwell, why do we?
Why is this regulation going tobe changed in 2024?
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Right, but you know, in the endof the day, the reason why I
ended up deciding to leave OSHA,it just wasn't for me.
There's no, no, no hard, nohard feeling set about it.
It's just, and in my life Ifelt like I wanted more.
You know, I wanted to mend aprogram, build a program to what
I think a program should be.
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And I had the opportunity tochat with Glacier Constructions
Vice President and weinterviewed and we talked about
if we'd be a good fit for eachother, because it goes both ways
Right has to be a good fit forme.
But it has to be a good fit foryou because my safety and
leadership style is a lotdifferent from probably 90% of
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the safety professionals.
Right, you know, I'm kind of anin-your-face kind of guy.
Right, like I, I challengethings because if I don't know
if that's right, like I said, Iwant to understand why we do
things in a certain way.
Right, but, yeah, now I'm atGlacier Awesome man, that's
really nice to hear.
Man, you know you go somewhere,don't work out, but you've
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gained some nuggets.
And as you're talking, man, I'mlistening and I'm actually
seeing your story play out.
Because, if you would thinkabout how everything's happened
for you, everything happened fora reason Absolutely Because you
started out at Wagner.
You got to see up close andpersonal, you learn how to do
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some inspections.
Then you got excited aboutanother career change that
didn't work out, but what yougot was you've got some
connections, some relationshipsand you also probably learned
how to do some some betterresearch and finding out the why
.
Yeah, as far as why do I haveto do it this way?
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Why can't we do it this way?
So I see the story playing outand you know, and sometimes
you're right, man, when thosemoves are made.
You got to leave friends, yougot to leave relationships, you
got to leave all these otherthings, but it's, I think, what
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you're doing and maybe what youwant to accomplish is way bigger
than all of that Absolutely.
So, really nice to hear thatstory.
So I want to sort of get into.
You know, I like talking about,because I think that out there,
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with the men and women that arein our field we talked about
this before about the safetyprofessionals, the mothers, the
fathers, the nurses and allthese people that are needed in
critical moments, right, Ialways wondered, you know, we
have to come to work in a waythat is uplifting and a way that
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is ready to take on some thingsthat somebody's going through,
because we all know our job.
It's not just safety,absolutely, but it's safety in
the aspect of maybe somebody'smind ain't right out there which
we talk about money, situations, marriage, you know, the
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all-going things that we thiscycles us that we have to fight
through, but us, even thoughthose things are going on, we
have to come to work and beready to assist and be a
resource to somebody who'shaving those very same issues
and we sort of got to forgetabout ours.
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Yeah, absolutely, but youreally don't forget them,
absolutely.
So what do you do on a maybe ona day-to-day basis that could
help somebody out there that isa nurse, that's a teacher,
that's these different safetyprofessionals, a fireman, a
police officer, another newsafety guy or even a seasoned
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safety guy that that may begoing through something right
now?
What is it that you do to helpyou deal with those other things
from work?
Yeah, so, every day, you knowthe way I look at it.
Like you said, we all wake upwith problems.
Right, could be money, it couldbe.
You know politics.
I mean, every time I turn onthe news it's something
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depressing, right, you know, Igot it.
I got a toddler at home, I gota wife, you know.
So let's just say, somethinghappened that night.
You know, I wake up and I'mstill, you know, in a little
funk, right, but as soon as Iwalk through that door, I have
to put my, my problems to theside.
But, like you said, I don'tforget my problems, but I have
to put them to a side.
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And the reason why I do thatevery single day is because I'm
a resource for them, right, theway I look at it, I don't work
for glacier construction.
I work for the people, come on,man, and my goal every single
day is obviously to keep myworkers safe and obviously to
keep glacier construction, youknow, compliant, right?
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But every day, my biggest thingis just building relationships
with my team.
Yes, so I could walk in thedoor and I could see someone
with with a look on their faceand I'll go up to them right
away.
Augustine, what's the matter,man?
Oh, nothing, nothing, I said,man, I know you well enough.
Now you know you've dealt withme for a year.
Like I just love to buildrelationship with people, I
loved that they can come talk tome about certain issues,
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because, to me, mental health isa real deal, right, I know we
just went to a, to a conferencetogether, a little, yes,
speaking about it, but it's areal deal, it really is.
I mean, if you look at what'sgoing on in the world, there's a
lot of going on right now, man,a lot, you know, with money,
inflation, federal shutdowns.
I mean, every time you turn onthe news, it's just negativity,
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man, right?
So why do I want to go to work?
Be negative, right, and bringmy people down and then, while
they're already going, possiblygoing through something yeah, if
they're going through something, why do I want to be negative
towards them?
Right, my goal is to upliftpeople to kind of even if it's a
crooked smile hey, I gotsomething at you, right.
But my goal is because, if youthink about it, with people who
are in distress, they'rethinking too much.
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What usually happens in aworkplace injuries, accidents,
near misses, right.
So my goal is to alwaysminimize that as much as
possible and just be anuplifting, even if it's just for
those couple moments that I'mthere.
But hey, at least I'm therelistening to their concerns,
talking to them.
Right, even if they don't wantto talk to them, they're still
gonna talk to me.
And we're gonna talk aboutsomething different football.
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You know that Broncos lose by50, right.
You know, kind of make a littlebit of joking, to kind of just
direct their thoughts elsewherefor a little bit, right, because
I mean, when I was coming upthrough the field, I was a labor
, I was a equipment operator, Iwas a superintendent, I used to
turn wrenches.
You know, I kind of did alittle bit of everything, or,
you know, in my, my youth andthe best safety professionals I
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had.
It was just that one to talk toyou, kind of be your friend,
right, yeah, and a resource,right, and that's that's.
Know, that that's what you are.
I mean really understandingyour, your, your place and your,
your stance, and I guess I'm atype of person personally I'm
alright with being just the hand, absolutely I'm alright with
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just being the leg, but if Ineed to be the body, the head, I
can be that, you know.
But I just want to be able tofit in and and and make sure, at
the end of the day, that thatthose, like you said, those
folks that actually are doingthe work, making the money for
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the company and are living inthese hazardous environments,
absolutely I want to make surethat they're taking care of
because, don't nothing, run,don't know equipment, run, don't
be no bills don't get paidwithout those men and women out
there sweat, absolutely eachendeavor, every day, coming to
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work and battling through, likeyou said, the various life
challenges that we have everyday, yeah, and elements to
that's a huge one, to winter,cold, hot rains.
No, it's, it's challenging, itis, it really is, and you know
I've been, we're doing a lot ofreading man with this mind and
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at first I had a, I had adifferent idea about it, but
I've been listening a lot to itand reading a lot to it and I've
come to realize that thatthere's, there's something there
for us.
I don't know how it goes,because it's, it's a deep,
intertwined technique, if youask me, because mindfulness,
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when I, when I read it, when Ihear it, when I feel it,
mindfulness is to me a thoughtof the thought.
Mm-hmm, does that make sense?
Yeah, a thought of the thoughtin that moment.
But I think, with thismindfulness thing, if we learn
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how to use it right because thereason why I'm bringing this up
is because you talked aboutpeople coming to work with you
know these different things inmind and how we're trying to to
maybe switch them a little bit,to get them off of that
negativity and have them in abetter energy, because now you
got better quality, a safer, asafer worker, because a happy
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worker is a safe worker and thenhe knows that he got somebody
he can lean on at the same time.
Yep, but this mindfulness thing, I think can be very valuable
in a sense where we learn how tohelp do what you said, switch
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their mind from that, that issue, and and, and what I mean by
that is not that we just throwit to the side and act like it
ain't never happened or there'snot a problem, but being able to
shift it for a moment as wework, mm-hmm.
But then we're gonna see youafter work the safety manager or
the project manager and figureout what we can do for you to
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help get you back 100% fullythinking about what you're doing
while you're here.
Yeah, and I'm starting to seethe, the, the slow grass to
companies taking heed to themental health realm of it.
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But I think we also, in a sense, can help with this mindfulness
.
The problem I'm scared is isthat when you think about
mindfulness, I was thinkingabout the things that were
creating the hysteria in mymental, because I mental health
that ain't me, yeah.
But when I started thinkingabout it, man, I got an issue
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here.
Yeah, I got an issue here.
I Got a little something goingon over here.
Man, I got some things going onlike, yeah, like I started to
see it.
Like, as healthy as I am, Istill got to take care of my
mental.
Yeah, because something canthrow me off at the wrong moment
.
And what I think, too, is theword mental health.
And I want you I don't want tocut you off I want you to talk
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about what you think about this.
This whole mindfulness thingyeah, coming coming about, yeah.
So this mindfulness thing isjust what I think of.
Just you know, from this briefdiscussion we just had now, is
we just got to open our minds,to kind of set in our own
personal issues aside sometimes.
I know there's times and I'llbe the first one to agree with
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it.
I, I know sometimes I letthings eat me up to the point
where it's you can't come backfrom it almost.
You know what I mean and it'sjust like you know.
But in the end of the day, areyou breathing, is your family
healthy?
Do you have a roof over yourhead?
Are you eating?
Yes, so to me, and I know it's,it's tough, right, you know,
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but I'm blessed Every day.
You just got to think thatyou're blessed.
You woke up, you could walk,you can talk and you know.
So you just got to be open andyou know there's gonna be
negativity, no matter what wayyou think about it right now.
That's right.
I mean, I'm not trying to bethis way, but the world's pretty
ugly right now.
Right, I think you bring up agood point.
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I think you bring up a goodpoint in the sense that what
you're really saying, I think,is, is that you Put it aside,
but but we got to deal.
We got to deal with the problem, like, like it's it's, it's not
gonna fester, it's just gonnaget bigger.
Yeah, cuz, you know, when youhold on to something, it just
makes it bigger and bigger,bigger, bigger.
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So I think it's it's learning.
One which I hope that Throughoutthis, this, these podcasts, is
that we can begin to teachsafety profession.
We can begin to teach theactual safety professional Um,
whether it's dealing withsomebody or dealing with
themselves, maybe some, somepoints of how that looks or even
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cope coping or be or being ablehow to cope with that.
Yeah, so, yes, 100% man, we gotto be able to teach them that
when you come to work, you gotto be focused on absolutely you
know.
But at the same time, I Wantyou to let me know that you have
some issues so I can help you.
Yeah, cuz, I care about you.
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Yeah, and that kind of bringsme my next point about that too.
You know, safe Prep safetyprofessionals can't be
everywhere at all times, right,that's right.
So that goes down to frontlineleadership.
That's why it's so important tobuilding relationships.
Even I'm not saying you have tohang out with this person every
day, but you just got to builda relationship with that person,
that's right, right.
So if I'm not there tounderstand that this individuals
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hurt today, well, he's probablynot the best candidate to go
into a confined space today.
Right, that's not saying gohome and figure it out.
No, no, no, let's, let's talkabout it.
Well, we'll have, you know,rural risk management.
Yeah, we'll have somebody elsegoing there today.
You know, let's talk about it.
You know, just tell me a littlebit what's going on.
We all got to help each other.
That's right, and I know that'swhat me and you always preach
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each other.
We always got to grow eachother, help each other.
We have for each other and theway I look at it, this is
something what I preach to myguys every week.
How many hours do you see yourcoworkers?
40 hours.
So how many hours do you seeyour family?
Right, think about it.
No matter if you like thatperson, you can't stand that
person.
You know, at the end of the day, you got to figure out how to
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work with.
You got to figure out how towork with them.
You see this person more thanyou see your wife, right?
So do you want to see thisperson hurt, killed, anything
like that?
No, I mean, and I would hopenot coming in our field.
Yeah, absolutely right.
But that's what I'm saying and Ialways preach that to my guys
about that, and you know, we gotinto that whole speed about
mental health from this lastmonth and you hear the word
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mental health.
What do you think about?
What's wrong with me?
Right, there's something wrongwith me.
Right To me that I don't thinkthat's mental health, right, I
mean, as soon as I reallystarted dying, I call that
society, yeah, yeah, but Istarted really digging into
mental health because, you knowI'll be transparent, I really
didn't know much about it.
So I started going to more ofthese seminars, listening to
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more conversations, more talks,reading more, doing research,
right?
Because when I first heard theword mental health, I'm like
there's something wrong with me.
Then.
No, it's just, everyone copeswith things different, right?
And if somebody says they don'thave mental health issues, I
mean I would like to meet themright because, like you just
said, I got mental health issueshere here.
Here, we all do.
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Yes, that's kind of life,that's kind of the in the in the
society we're in right now,it's very rare if you don't have
mental health issues right.
Even in the billionaires,trillionaires, I mean, they
always have problems right.
So it's just a thing in thisworld and I'm glad that it's had
so much Media attention aboutmental health and I think it is
hitting home to certain yes, thecertain parties that actually
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need it right.
I hope it continues to grow inconstruction, because during
that last conference that wejust went to listening about how
many, you know, suicides areour construction industry, I was
number one and construction,yeah, I was literally
mind-blowing.
I thought it would be like, youknow, first responder or
something like that, justbecause day in, day out, you see
so much bad Negativity alive.
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But no, it's construction.
Construction that's our trade,that's what we do day and day
out, day in and day out, and ifwe do not build relationships
with our team members, it'sgonna change, it happen.
Like you said, we can't beeverywhere, you know, at all
times, but least if we're avoice when they need it.
Yes, we are there.
Yes, and I know as myself, as asafety professional, I'm
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definitely far from perfect andI think a lot of safety
professionals would say the samething, and that's that's.
That's good to hear too, man,the humbleness like, because to
To gain everything that you say,what you said, there has to be
a humbleness in yourself to thatrelationship, right, yeah, the
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when you're trying to createthat relationship, you got to be
able to lend yourself, yeah,and then the more and more that
you're out there, the more youlend, so, and then that's how
the relationship is gained.
But there's a.
There has to be a little bit ofhumility and vulnerability.
And vulnerability in ourposition, yeah, as we, we move
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through, because you know aswell as I do, they, they look up
to us, even though they hate us, sometimes hate us or we're
just regular people job, theyjust got this as a, as a job, we
just want a different careerpath, that's it.
So I always explain.
But it they look up to themanagement and we got to be able
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to lend ourselves To that.
You know, I was, I was laughingthe other day because I was
going through some my, my, mypodcast only got A four or five
of them out there and you know,through the weeks just listening
, and there's just some, somethings that keep coming up.
One is relationships.
Two is the guys in the field,and we're going to hit on
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another one because I want youto talk about.
You know what you do, you knowafter you know all of this, but
but those those things, thosetwo things have come up and I'm
convinced person that morecompanies lose money from
relationships than they doanything else.
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Absolutely, because, check thisout, you you separate work from
home and home from workGreatest thing alive.
But if you was to bring home towork, somebody's asked you a
question or you're dealing withsomebody who's maybe been doing
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some stuff, then this is likethe second time or something.
You're having a bad day andwhile you guys are talking, this
guy begins to yell out at youand now it turns into well, I'll
fire you and then you fire him.
But in all actuality, when hewas talking to you, he was
screaming at you because he'sfrustrated from something at
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home.
Here it is you done bringsomething in from home with
yourself and you ain't reallyhearing the cry out, cause if we
really knew him we would havesaid he doesn't usually act that
way.
But when these people come in towork, these relationships
whether it's with the client,the people and there's money
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involved oh my goodness, like ifsomebody is just on their own
mental or has got some thingsgoing on, man, that could mess,
you can mess up the next project.
You can just lose a lot ofmoney, man, oh yeah, through
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relationships.
So it's nice to hear thesethings are so important, because
to me, a great relationshipdoesn't mend if your character
isn't taking care of, if youremotions you don't know how to
manage your emotions, if yourmental health isn't together.
All these things that create arelationship we gotta take care
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of them, whether it's us orhelping somebody do that thing,
like you hit it on the head.
I mean we as safetyprofessionals, we gotta almost
be a chameleon.
We gotta mold to what needs usto be.
Come on, man, you know one daywe're gonna be an HR.
You know the next day I'm gonnabe a psychiatrist.
The next day I'm gonna be yoursafety guy, that's right.
Or the next day I might be yourpunching bag, right, hey, I'm
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all for it, because me, as theman I am today, I had a great
family that helped me.
They listened to my all my crapgrowing up.
Right on, man, come on, youknow so a lot of these young
people that I deal with day inand day out like, hey, I don't
wanna be a father figure to you,I just wanna be a mentor to you
.
You know everybody has theirown daddies, right?
Yes, I just wanna be a mentorto you and, to the best of my
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ability, help you grow intowhatever position you do.
Wanna go in within theorganization or outside the
organization If someone leavesand we had a great relationship.
Here's my business, my personalbusiness card.
Please reach out to me if youever need anything.
I'm still there for people and Ithink that's what kinda a lot
of safety professionals are.
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I mean, I still reach out to alot of my old safety
professionals.
Come on, man, it's because andthat link, man, it's a
connection and, the way I lookat it, it's a friendship.
I mean I generally think.
I mean some of them might thinkthat, but that's a friend of
mine.
You know we're acquaintances,friends, whatever you wanna call
it, but yes, you know, yougotta be there for people.
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You got to.
You got to, no matter what wayyou think about it.
If you say nobody was there forme growing up, I mean you always
had somebody for the most part.
There are certain circumstanceswhere someone didn't have
anybody.
Right, like really, yeah,absolutely.
But I try to be there foreverybody as much as possible,
and I know sometimes I'moverwhelmed with certain things,
but I'll eventually get back toyou and no doubt and try to be
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there for whatever.
You need me to be thatchameleon, you know?
Yes, yeah, yeah, being able toTo adapt to what they need.
That's my biggest thing too isI try to adapt to whatever
situation.
It is right, it could besomeone's emotional work, they
need a raise.
You hear it too.
Everything.
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You go to a job site and theythink you're in charge of how
much they're making.
Come on, man, I'll bring it upfor you.
That's all I can do, man,that's it.
Well, I want to move up withinthe organization.
I'll bring it up for you, butyou got to push for it, you got
to want.
You know, right, I'm all forthrowing words around putting
bugs in everybody's ears.
If that's what you want and Igenuinely think you're a great
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candidate for it Absolutely,I'll go to bat for you.
Wow, yeah, no doubt, man.
I try to tell people you're yourown entrepreneur, absolutely
Like.
You don't get a raise becauseof me, you get a raise because
of what you do.
You got to do it for yourselfand you got to work on yourself
daily.
You got to present yourself,you got to brand yourself, sell
yourself Like there has to be,and that's the greatest thing
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about really looking at yourselfin the mirror is like you can
tell what you need.
You know what they're askingfor.
Fix what you need to fix.
You know what's holding youback.
You know what's causing you tohave a bad attitude.
Like fix those things, man,because at the end of the day,
as you present yourself, asyou're creating relationships,
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as you're creating friends ornew family members, whatever,
however you want to take them,it has to be you taking care of
you.
Number one.
You got to make yourselfpresentable.
That's right.
And sell yourself.
I mean, don't ask nobody for noraise.
You ask for the raise, show whyyou need a raise, because a lot
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of people think they need araise because they've been
working there for 15 years,coming to work on time, but you
get paid to do that.
You get paid to do that.
No matter how long you workedat this, you get paid to do that
.
Show me something extra.
Get you some more education.
Get you a certification.
Go out and help somebody elseoutside of your work.
Right, because sometimes yougot to reach outside of what you
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actually do Absolutely.
And when people start seeingyour value, now you can talk
about hey, I should be getting araise.
You got to have the separationfrom you to that next person.
You got to be on the samecourse yourself.
Man, go ahead.
I always say you got to be ahustler.
You got to want to have morethan somebody else.
That's right.
Right, because the way I lookat it, how many safety
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professionals are in this world?
A lot, a lot.
What separates me from somebodyelse?
You know there are certainthings and there are certain
things that people do betterthan I do.
You just got to learn how tosell yourself, sell yourself
worth and kind of know that'sright.
You know it's tough out there.
It is, man.
So tell me about your family,what you do outside of being a
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safety manager, safety director.
What do you like to do?
I know what you like to do.
Let the people out there knowwhat you like to do, and then,
once you're done with that, Iwant you to talk about what your
expertise is.
As far as when I say expertise,what do you say is your that
you say I know this well enough?
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Yeah, absolutely so with me.
I'm a father.
I have a beautiful wife.
We've been married eight yearsnow.
We've got a 12.
I have a son.
I have two kids.
One unfortunately did not makeit.
That's why I have this tattooedQuinn Rose OK, wow, did know
that.
Yeah, so she made it five days.
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Wow.
So, yeah, that was tough.
You talk about, we talk aboutmental health.
Come on, man, you know.
So that was tough.
And let's hit that right there,because I want to know this
right here is what we gotta begiven to our brothers and
sisters out here.
How did you deal with that man?
It was tough.
So me and my wife I mean, I gotthe chills right now and I'm
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not afraid to show it I got theQuinn Martinez bracelet, you
know, the cross, the tattoos.
So me and my wife, we had to doa vitro, right, so that's IVF.
So we went through all that.
About 25, 26 weeks my wifestarted having contractions.
They're like oh, it's justBraxton Hicks contractions,
right.
So the next day they ended upadmitted in the hospital.
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They're like you're in labor,they're like huh.
So we ended up having mydaughter and you know, when
you're born at 25 weeks you'reseverely preemie, right, that's
half the time you're in the oven.
So with that, she was born likeher heart wasn't fully
developed, her lungs weren'tfully developed and we honestly
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thought I mean we prayed everysingle night in the hospital.
I want to hear that again.
You did what Prayed everysingle night in the hospital, me
and my wife.
My daughter was in the incubator, you know the blue lights and
everything, and it was tough.
Man, that was the toughestthing I've ever had to do as a
father.
And I know my wife, she was asaint for dealing with it.
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I mean she went through itright, came out of her body.
I went through it with her.
That's the way I look at it,because the mother relationship
to the children is always a lotstronger, right.
That connection's there fromday one.
The father has to gain thatconnection.
So dealing with that, I meanthat's why I said mental health
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was a big deal.
I know I have mental healthissues.
I mean I lost my daughter, butI have two children and it
sounds like you still could be.
You still are slowly dealingwith some things, trying to
nestle that into a good place,right?
Yeah, Wow, man.
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So I always say every bad hasits good right.
So, like I said, my wife, we hadto do in vitro, so we weren't
supposed to get pregnantnaturally.
My son was born naturally, comeon, man.
So you know there's alwaysthose that word rainbow babies,
stuff like that.
But I have a beautifulfive-year-old son, man.
So my daughter was born April15, 2017.
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My son was born March 10, 2018,year apart.
So she's still involved in ourlife.
We deliver her flowers, my son.
We always say let's go seeQuinny.
You know, that's like her.
We symbolize the butterflies asthat's her.
So we're big outdoors people.
We have a property up at RedFeathers Campground right
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outside of there.
So all my nieces and nephews,if we see butterflies, we always
say there's Quinny.
You know it's kind of a funnystory, as last weekend my
goddaughter and my niece weredancing at Riverdale Ridge
junior cheerleader.
There was a butterfly rightnext to my goddaughter.
So I'm really into that kind ofstuff.
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You know I don't want to say itlike spiritual, but I am, you
know.
I really do believe in thatkind of stuff, and there is
reasons for that, no doubt.
Yeah, it was tough, right, Imean that's good man, because
I'm a Christian myself.
So when I hear that story, man,I'm listening to you because I
could still hear it.
It's probably not as bad as itwas the first day, but there's
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still some loss there.
Oh, there's severe sadnessevery April 15th, because it's
my thing is like, why hurt?
But what I see, though, is wheremaybe some of us get caught up
is that you're dealing with itby stepping actually into the
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very thing that is having youthis way.
Right, you go to the grave, yourepresent her on your arm, you
wear a bracelet Like it'spresent, right, and I think
that's so important, because wetry to run away from the very
thing that is going to make usto be who we are supposed to be.
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You know, and it's sadly to say, it's these tough things, but,
like we try to pray them away,we try to say I don't want to do
this, but it's those things,you know, in the valley, it's
those things that, when you're,they feel so tough and you feel,
you know, by yourself.
It's those things that if youjust continues taking one step
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at a time instead of trying tooutrun the process, just let the
process run towards you andaccept it.
You ain't going to like it, butwhen you come out on the other
side, well, you're going to besomething special, it's going to
take you to another level andwhen you look back, you're going
to laugh because it's going tobe something that you're going
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to say man, I never even thoughtI was going.
What I went through was goingto come to fruition, because now
I'm actually dealing with this.
If I wouldn't have that, wherewould I be?
So yeah, man, that's what holdsme about your story right.
There is that you guys arecontinually welcoming the very
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thing that a lot of people runaway from, and that's where I
think when they start runningaway from it, the longer they
run away from it, the moreproblems they have, the more
problems they have, and thenthey don't even really know how
to deal with it because it justit just spiraled out Absolutely.
And that's one thing that mywife, my wife is a saint.
She, every April 15th dealingwith you, she has to be saint,
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exactly, but every April 15th ofmy sons in school.
We pull them out of schoolbecause that's a special day,
right, it's sister's birthday.
We do something fun that dayAquarium, zoos, anything like
that.
I mean we still celebrate herbirthdays like everybody would
normally do.
She's gone, but not forgotten,that's right and that's kind of
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the way.
My wife is the one that, because, I mean, I grieve different.
Everybody grieves differentEverybody.
And my wife still says all thetime you didn't really relieve
your grief, but I just didn'tgrieve the way she did.
Right, and there might be oneday when you will release
Absolutely, it's just not rightnow.
I mean, the way I look at it,my son, he's here for a reason,
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right?
Yeah, he was there to.
Our hearts were broken.
He was there to help heal itand that wasn't by accident.
Right, that was the way I lookat it.
Someone knew that our heartswere broken and someone knew
that need to be glued backtogether.
And that's how we say it, youknow, and we deal with it.
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And well, that's good, man, Ithank you because it's these
testimonies, man, that I thinkyou know we want to put out
there because, again, going backto what I said before, it's
like who's taking care of us,right?
I hope that you know, with ourfriendship and relationship,
that now that we are probablygoing to be closer and closer
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through more interaction and allthose things and smoking some
cigars, that's right, Somecigars, yeah.
Fishing with you, yeah, doingthose things that we can lend
these testimonies to each otherand actually know that somebody
else has been added to therepertoire, right, yeah, that I
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can lean on Kenyia on, or I canlean on Joe, I can lean on Perry
, perry can lean on Joe, youknow.
And making it more tight-knit,heck, we just ran into something
just today, that big oldmonster, big old monster man,
but needing a little bit of helpto uplift and upgrade his
experience and knowledge, anddon't know where to go.
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Well, we've volunteeredourselves, the way I look at it,
and he's a brother man.
Yeah, if you don't share yourstory, but nobody's going to
know what your story is,nobody's going to know your
story.
So that's when I was approachedby you and Eddie, I'm like,
yeah, I don't know what I'mgoing to talk about, but I'm in.
Yeah, I don't know what I talkabout and what my expertise is.
Yes, might be somewhere wherethey might need my help.
(40:54):
Yes, man, and so I'm thankfulfor you coming to spend time
over here.
I hope I get every safetymanager from every company here
in Colorado man, that'd beawesome To get on here, talk
about themselves and be of value.
You know what I'm saying,because we don't get a lot of
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taps on the back, we don't get alot of the thank yous, because
you know we are in a supportrole.
But I tell you this We've thensaved a lot of money, saved a
lot of lives, saved a lot ofagony through our work.
Man and I'm gonna pat us on theback, we gonna pat each other
(41:36):
on the back.
They continue pushing throughthis day because there's
sometimes, joe and I'm gonna betotally honest with the
listeners sometimes when I gohome, like my kids don't even
realize sometimes my wife,they're like what are you doing
out there?
And I'm downloading.
I'm getting everything out ofmy mind because I know as soon
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as I go through the door, thedog, my five-year-old, my
14-year-old, my wife, they wantme, yeah, they want dad.
Yes, they don't want Ken young,right, they want dad.
They want dad and husband.
And I wanna make sure that I'mclear on my next day and that my
mind is clear and it's nothingbut love when I get in there and
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, like you said, they're all ofme, man, and that's one thing
that I do when I go home becauseI got an hour or some change
ride, it's people like I know,you do it.
It's the greatest thing.
It's a decompression.
I'm thankful for it because I'mable to decompress and go home
and be the man I'm supposed tobe.
Yeah, because you have thathour and a half, though.
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Yes, you want to wine, collectyour inner thoughts, yes,
process your thoughts and then,when you want one, by the time
I'm sure you're pulling yourhouse.
Holy crap, I'm already home.
I know, you know what I mean.
And then you're like well, mymind's clear.
Now I can be a dad.
Yes, yes, man, yeah, and there'stimes where it's tough, yeah,
you know, but I think it justtaking a minute, five minutes,
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whatever it is, but justgathering yourself and just
really focusing, because, to me,when you take time out and you
focus, you actually see themoment.
Because see when we're driving.
To be honest with you, whenwe're driving we're doing other
things.
Oh yeah, the toxicity of theworld is so much that we aren't
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really seeing the moment.
We're just making all thesequick decisions to get through
it.
But to actually recognize it,there has to be a focus, there
has to be steelness to get intothat space so that you can
embody the moment.
You know, sometimes we live inthe moment but it's so abstract
(43:49):
because we're trying to solvethis and solve this and solve
this.
It's like just take the momentand realize where you're at,
realize that, yes, you got thisand you got that, and figure out
how you're going to attack it.
But if you just stay abstract,you take these moments and they
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just keep getting you mad, upset, putting you in a bad place.
So, yeah, man, just reallyhelping people get focused at
work and being who they'resupposed to be.
So again, man, I really thankyou.
Man, this ain't your last timeon this podcast.
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Again, I'd like to thank mypartner in crime over there.
Come on over here, eddie.
Come on man.
Yeah, show the viewers who this.
Yes, the guy behind the sceneshelping out, this is my man,
eddie.
I just want to say thank you tohim.
He's just really given me anopportunity to do some things
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for Alliance safety, for me, forhim and for the safety
professionals here throughoutthe country, whether it's here
or Colorado, whatever, but Ijust want to say thanks and I
wanted to put your face on therebecause, again, a lot of these
guys that create and do allthese other things back behind
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the scenes don't?
They actually don't even likebeing in front of the camera.
So that's why I brought him outhere, because he's a little shy
, he's sweating and, yeah, he'sthe guy.
Thank you, introduce yourself.
Yeah, introduce yourself.
You ain't going nowhere, man.
Come on, man, tell us a littlebit about yourself.
Okay, next time.
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So we'll hold him to that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Thanks again, eddie.
Thank you out there for thelisteners, the likes, the
subscribes.
We appreciate you.
We'll talk to you later.
We ready, awesome.
Well, welcome.
Today.
We got somebody here for you.
His name is Joe Martinez.
He's another safetyprofessional.
I'm going to let Joe tell youyou know who he is, what he does
, and then we'll go from there.
Well, thank you for having me,kenyon.
(00:21):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, been a longtime coming.
I know we've kind ofrescheduled a couple of times,
but, man, I'm glad that we got alink up today.
So I'm Joe Martinez.
I am now with GlacierConstruction.
I've been there in NovemberI'll be a year.
I had a short stint at OSHA.
Before that I was at a WagnerCaterpillar Wow.
(00:42):
So I've been in the safetyindustry probably about little
under nine years, man, and it'sbeen great.
I love it.
Wow, you got to see it lookslike you know from here in the
US.
It looks like you know fromhere and you really got to see a
couple different, really somedifferent sides of the industry
(01:02):
did A lot of people don't alwayshear about on the back end.
You know, here it is.
You're working at a for cat, atthe equipment place.
What did you do there while youwere here?
Because I don't think people alot of people know exactly what
happens at cat and what did you?
What was your job for them as asafety manager?
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Yeah, so I, cat.
When I first started there, Iwas just a safety specialist.
I was there for a couple months, got promoted to a regional
safety specialist.
Okay, I mean, man, cat is a.
It's a different world, right?
We had 5,000 employees in ourregion alone.
Tons of you know injuries,accidents.
I mean look what they mess withevery day.
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They're messing with big heavyiron every single day, every day
Cranes, rigging tools, line offire.
I mean that was it.
It was a different beast.
You know we had welders paintbooths.
I mean that was.
I love that place, though, man,I have nothing but good things
to say about Wagner cat.
It was a great experience forme.
It was a definitely a learningopportunity.
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People don't realize.
You know what those guys andgirls put themselves through
every day fixing these heavy.
You know yellow iron is what Icall it, right.
You know I still see them onthe side of the road and you
know what we don't think aboutis a lot of these mechanics.
They work by themselves and youknow how do we know if someone
goes down?
You know you don't know, right,until something happens, or you
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know a certain, you know theowner of that iron comes by and
sees them.
But man, that's a toughindustry and I could, I can't
even imagine.
Yeah, I mean, and kind of what Idid is I floated through New
Mexico, colorado and then theWest Texas region so I just
overseen kind of.
Well, I wasn't the manager, Ihad a manager above me, but I
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would go and make sure I mostlystayed on the inspection side.
So I'd go inspect thefacilities, because there's tons
of caterpillar facilities, youknow, in the western region
itself.
So I'd go, you know, doinspections on their facilities,
make sure everything lookedgood.
You know kind of what we dodaily, right, right Ringing
inspections, tool inspections,electrical cord inspections,
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fall pro inspections, and Iwould just try to, you know, lay
another set of eyes on it,because you know what it's like
in the safety industry.
You get tunnel vision, you know, and you start not looking at
certain things because you lookat the same thing every day.
Well, you don't know that, thatsynthetic strap starting to
tear and tear more.
So, yeah, I would just do thatand travel a little bit with
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them and overseen a little bitwhat everybody was doing.
Awesome, awesome, wow.
So I heard you, you know youwent from there and then you
went into the OSHA side ofthings.
Wow, that's like a.
I mean, what did you say?
You went to the dark side, man,I did, you know, and.
But at the end of the day, I'mnot to me.
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For me that's the dark side is.
It is the dark side, right, butat the end of the day, you guys
are just helping implement andhelping companies enforce the
right thing for the employeesactually doing the work.
So it's really not the darkside, it is it's.
You might see some dark things,but if you learn how to work
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with OSHA, they can definitelybe a great partner.
I've worked with them when Iwas in Minnesota, but they can
definitely really help you getover the hump on if you're
stagnant or you need some ideas.
So talk about, talk about OSHA,man, how, you know how, what
made you even think about youknow going that way and and you
(04:37):
know just how that went.
Yeah, so when I decided, youknow I was at CAT and we had
some leadership changes and thenactually a recruiter for OSHA,
a federal recruiter, reached outto me and honestly, I kind of
said the same thing.
I don't know if I can go to thedark side, you know.
But I started thinking about itmore and more and I said, you
know, this might be a good, youknow, career move for me, you
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know, because I, you know, asmost safety nerds are, we do
like the OSHA, you know, I meanwe have to abide by the rules.
So I'm like, hey, this is goingto give me a direct insight of
why we do things a certain way.
I think it would be a good, youknow, great opportunity for
regrow.
So I started there and, like Isaid, it was a short, very short
stint, I would say, you know,less than seven, eight months,
kind of the day-to-dayactivities.
(05:23):
You know, I was during mytraining periods, of course, so
I was only able to go on acouple inspections.
Unfortunately some of themweren't the best inspections to
go and get your feet wet on.
But I just, you know, I lookedat a lot of the paperwork they
called the FOM Field OperationsManual and I'd kind of just
review and read I mean, that'sreally all I did at OSHA was
(05:46):
read why we have to do things acertain way.
That's always intrigued me iswell, why do we have to do that
Like I'm always the first personto say, well, why do we have to
do it that way?
Like that doesn't make sense tome.
So I'm always like I don't wantto say, I challenge, but I just
.
Sometimes people just have toexplain it to me a couple more
times so it'll really hit homewith me.
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You know OSHA, there's a lot ofgreat people in OSHA.
I still, you know, have somerelationship with some of the
senior officers over there andsome of the compliance officers,
and I still reach out to them,you know, monthly, weekly, daily
, sometimes if I have a questionwell, why do we?
Why is this regulation going tobe changed in 2024?
(06:27):
Right, but you know, in the endof the day, the reason why I
ended up deciding to leave OSHA,it just wasn't for me.
There's no, no, no hard, nohard feeling set about it.
It's just, and in my life Ifelt like I wanted more.
You know, I wanted to mend aprogram, build a program to what
I think a program should be.
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And I had the opportunity tochat with Glacier Constructions
Vice President and weinterviewed and we talked about
if we'd be a good fit for eachother, because it goes both ways
Right has to be a good fit forme.
But it has to be a good fit foryou because my safety and
leadership style is a lotdifferent from probably 90% of
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the safety professionals.
Right, you know, I'm kind of anin-your-face kind of guy.
Right, like I, I challengethings because if I don't know
if that's right, like I said, Iwant to understand why we do
things in a certain way.
Right, but, yeah, now I'm atGlacier Awesome man, that's
really nice to hear.
Man, you know you go somewhere,don't work out, but you've
(07:34):
gained some nuggets.
And as you're talking, man, I'mlistening and I'm actually
seeing your story play out.
Because, if you would thinkabout how everything's happened
for you, everything happened fora reason Absolutely Because you
started out at Wagner.
You got to see up close andpersonal, you learn how to do
(07:55):
some inspections.
Then you got excited aboutanother career change that
didn't work out, but what yougot was you've got some
connections, some relationshipsand you also probably learned
how to do some some betterresearch and finding out the why
.
Yeah, as far as why do I haveto do it this way?
(08:15):
Why can't we do it this way?
So I see the story playing outand you know, and sometimes
you're right, man, when thosemoves are made.
You got to leave friends, yougot to leave relationships, you
got to leave all these otherthings, but it's, I think, what
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you're doing and maybe what youwant to accomplish is way bigger
than all of that Absolutely.
So, really nice to hear thatstory.
So I want to sort of get into.
You know, I like talking about,because I think that out there,
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with the men and women that arein our field we talked about
this before about the safetyprofessionals, the mothers, the
fathers, the nurses and allthese people that are needed in
critical moments, right, Ialways wondered, you know, we
have to come to work in a waythat is uplifting and a way that
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is ready to take on some thingsthat somebody's going through,
because we all know our job.
It's not just safety,absolutely, but it's safety in
the aspect of maybe somebody'smind ain't right out there which
we talk about money, situations, marriage, you know, the
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all-going things that we thiscycles us that we have to fight
through, but us, even thoughthose things are going on, we
have to come to work and beready to assist and be a
resource to somebody who'shaving those very same issues
and we sort of got to forgetabout ours.
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Yeah, absolutely, but youreally don't forget them,
absolutely.
So what do you do on a maybe ona day-to-day basis that could
help somebody out there that isa nurse, that's a teacher,
that's these different safetyprofessionals, a fireman, a
police officer, another newsafety guy or even a seasoned
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safety guy that that may begoing through something right
now?
What is it that you do to helpyou deal with those other things
from work?
Yeah, so, every day, you knowthe way I look at it.
Like you said, we all wake upwith problems.
Right, could be money, it couldbe.
You know politics.
I mean, every time I turn onthe news it's something
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depressing, right, you know, Igot it.
I got a toddler at home, I gota wife, you know.
So let's just say, somethinghappened that night.
You know, I wake up and I'mstill, you know, in a little
funk, right, but as soon as Iwalk through that door, I have
to put my, my problems to theside.
But, like you said, I don'tforget my problems, but I have
to put them to a side.
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And the reason why I do thatevery single day is because I'm
a resource for them, right, theway I look at it, I don't work
for glacier construction.
I work for the people, come on,man, and my goal every single
day is obviously to keep myworkers safe and obviously to
keep glacier construction, youknow, compliant, right?
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But every day, my biggest thingis just building relationships
with my team.
Yes, so I could walk in thedoor and I could see someone
with with a look on their faceand I'll go up to them right
away.
Augustine, what's the matter,man?
Oh, nothing, nothing, I said,man, I know you well enough.
Now you know you've dealt withme for a year.
Like I just love to buildrelationship with people, I
loved that they can come talk tome about certain issues,
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because, to me, mental health isa real deal, right, I know we
just went to a, to a conferencetogether, a little, yes,
speaking about it, but it's areal deal, it really is.
I mean, if you look at what'sgoing on in the world, there's a
lot of going on right now, man,a lot, you know, with money,
inflation, federal shutdowns.
I mean, every time you turn onthe news, it's just negativity,
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man, right?
So why do I want to go to work?
Be negative, right, and bringmy people down and then, while
they're already going, possiblygoing through something yeah, if
they're going through something, why do I want to be negative
towards them?
Right, my goal is to upliftpeople to kind of even if it's a
crooked smile hey, I gotsomething at you, right.
But my goal is because, if youthink about it, with people who
are in distress, they'rethinking too much.
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What usually happens in aworkplace injuries, accidents,
near misses, right.
So my goal is to alwaysminimize that as much as
possible and just be anuplifting, even if it's just for
those couple moments that I'mthere.
But hey, at least I'm therelistening to their concerns,
talking to them.
Right, even if they don't wantto talk to them, they're still
gonna talk to me.
And we're gonna talk aboutsomething different football.
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You know that Broncos lose by50, right.
You know, kind of make a littlebit of joking, to kind of just
direct their thoughts elsewherefor a little bit, right, because
I mean, when I was coming upthrough the field, I was a labor
, I was a equipment operator, Iwas a superintendent, I used to
turn wrenches.
You know, I kind of did alittle bit of everything, or,
you know, in my, my youth andthe best safety professionals I
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had.
It was just that one to talk toyou, kind of be your friend,
right, yeah, and a resource,right, and that's that's.
Know, that that's what you are.
I mean really understandingyour, your, your place and your,
your stance, and I guess I'm atype of person personally I'm
alright with being just the hand, absolutely I'm alright with
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just being the leg, but if Ineed to be the body, the head, I
can be that, you know.
But I just want to be able tofit in and and and make sure, at
the end of the day, that thatthose, like you said, those
folks that actually are doingthe work, making the money for
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the company and are living inthese hazardous environments,
absolutely I want to make surethat they're taking care of
because, don't nothing, run,don't know equipment, run, don't
be no bills don't get paidwithout those men and women out
there sweat, absolutely eachendeavor, every day, coming to
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work and battling through, likeyou said, the various life
challenges that we have everyday, yeah, and elements to
that's a huge one, to winter,cold, hot rains.
No, it's, it's challenging, itis, it really is, and you know
I've been, we're doing a lot ofreading man with this mind and
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at first I had a, I had adifferent idea about it, but
I've been listening a lot to itand reading a lot to it and I've
come to realize that thatthere's, there's something there
for us.
I don't know how it goes,because it's, it's a deep,
intertwined technique, if youask me, because mindfulness,
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when I, when I read it, when Ihear it, when I feel it,
mindfulness is to me a thoughtof the thought.
Mm-hmm, does that make sense?
Yeah, a thought of the thoughtin that moment.
But I think, with thismindfulness thing, if we learn
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how to use it right because thereason why I'm bringing this up
is because you talked aboutpeople coming to work with you
know these different things inmind and how we're trying to to
maybe switch them a little bit,to get them off of that
negativity and have them in abetter energy, because now you
got better quality, a safer, asafer worker, because a happy
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worker is a safe worker and thenhe knows that he got somebody
he can lean on at the same time.
Yep, but this mindfulness thing, I think can be very valuable
in a sense where we learn how tohelp do what you said, switch
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their mind from that, that issue, and and, and what I mean by
that is not that we just throwit to the side and act like it
ain't never happened or there'snot a problem, but being able to
shift it for a moment as wework, mm-hmm.
But then we're gonna see youafter work the safety manager or
the project manager and figureout what we can do for you to
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help get you back 100% fullythinking about what you're doing
while you're here.
Yeah, and I'm starting to seethe, the, the slow grass to
companies taking heed to themental health realm of it.
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But I think we also, in a sense, can help with this mindfulness
.
The problem I'm scared is isthat when you think about
mindfulness, I was thinkingabout the things that were
creating the hysteria in mymental, because I mental health
that ain't me, yeah.
But when I started thinkingabout it, man, I got an issue
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here.
Yeah, I got an issue here.
I Got a little something goingon over here.
Man, I got some things going onlike, yeah, like I started to
see it.
Like, as healthy as I am, Istill got to take care of my
mental.
Yeah, because something canthrow me off at the wrong moment
.
And what I think, too, is theword mental health.
And I want you I don't want tocut you off I want you to talk
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about what you think about this.
This whole mindfulness thingyeah, coming coming about, yeah.
So this mindfulness thing isjust what I think of.
Just you know, from this briefdiscussion we just had now, is
we just got to open our minds,to kind of set in our own
personal issues aside sometimes.
I know there's times and I'llbe the first one to agree with
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it.
I, I know sometimes I letthings eat me up to the point
where it's you can't come backfrom it almost.
You know what I mean and it'sjust like you know.
But in the end of the day, areyou breathing, is your family
healthy?
Do you have a roof over yourhead?
Are you eating?
Yes, so to me, and I know it's,it's tough, right, you know,
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but I'm blessed Every day.
You just got to think thatyou're blessed.
You woke up, you could walk,you can talk and you know.
So you just got to be open andyou know there's gonna be
negativity, no matter what wayyou think about it right now.
That's right.
I mean, I'm not trying to bethis way, but the world's pretty
ugly right now.
Right, I think you bring up agood point.
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I think you bring up a goodpoint in the sense that what
you're really saying, I think,is, is that you Put it aside,
but but we got to deal.
We got to deal with the problem, like, like it's it's, it's not
gonna fester, it's just gonnaget bigger.
Yeah, cuz, you know, when youhold on to something, it just
makes it bigger and bigger,bigger, bigger.
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So I think it's it's learning.
One which I hope that Throughoutthis, this, these podcasts, is
that we can begin to teachsafety profession.
We can begin to teach theactual safety professional Um,
whether it's dealing withsomebody or dealing with
themselves, maybe some, somepoints of how that looks or even
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cope coping or be or being ablehow to cope with that.
Yeah, so, yes, 100% man, we gotto be able to teach them that
when you come to work, you gotto be focused on absolutely you
know.
But at the same time, I Wantyou to let me know that you have
some issues so I can help you.
Yeah, cuz, I care about you.
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Yeah, and that kind of bringsme my next point about that too.
You know, safe Prep safetyprofessionals can't be
everywhere at all times, right,that's right.
So that goes down to frontlineleadership.
That's why it's so important tobuilding relationships.
Even I'm not saying you have tohang out with this person every
day, but you just got to builda relationship with that person,
that's right, right.
So if I'm not there tounderstand that this individuals
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hurt today, well, he's probablynot the best candidate to go
into a confined space today.
Right, that's not saying gohome and figure it out.
No, no, no, let's, let's talkabout it.
Well, we'll have, you know,rural risk management.
Yeah, we'll have somebody elsegoing there today.
You know, let's talk about it.
You know, just tell me a littlebit what's going on.
We all got to help each other.
That's right, and I know that'swhat me and you always preach
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each other.
We always got to grow eachother, help each other.
We have for each other and theway I look at it, this is
something what I preach to myguys every week.
How many hours do you see yourcoworkers?
40 hours.
So how many hours do you seeyour family?
Right, think about it.
No matter if you like thatperson, you can't stand that
person.
You know, at the end of the day, you got to figure out how to
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work with.
You got to figure out how towork with them.
You see this person more thanyou see your wife, right?
So do you want to see thisperson hurt, killed, anything
like that?
No, I mean, and I would hopenot coming in our field.
Yeah, absolutely right.
But that's what I'm saying and Ialways preach that to my guys
about that, and you know, we gotinto that whole speed about
mental health from this lastmonth and you hear the word
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mental health.
What do you think about?
What's wrong with me?
Right, there's something wrongwith me.
Right To me that I don't thinkthat's mental health, right, I
mean, as soon as I reallystarted dying, I call that
society, yeah, yeah, but Istarted really digging into
mental health because, you knowI'll be transparent, I really
didn't know much about it.
So I started going to more ofthese seminars, listening to
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more conversations, more talks,reading more, doing research,
right?
Because when I first heard theword mental health, I'm like
there's something wrong with me.
Then.
No, it's just, everyone copeswith things different, right?
And if somebody says they don'thave mental health issues, I
mean I would like to meet themright because, like you just
said, I got mental health issueshere here.
Here, we all do.
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Yes, that's kind of life,that's kind of the in the in the
society we're in right now,it's very rare if you don't have
mental health issues right.
Even in the billionaires,trillionaires, I mean, they
always have problems right.
So it's just a thing in thisworld and I'm glad that it's had
so much Media attention aboutmental health and I think it is
hitting home to certain yes, thecertain parties that actually
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need it right.
I hope it continues to grow inconstruction, because during
that last conference that wejust went to listening about how
many, you know, suicides areour construction industry, I was
number one and construction,yeah, I was literally
mind-blowing.
I thought it would be like, youknow, first responder or
something like that, justbecause day in, day out, you see
so much bad Negativity alive.
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But no, it's construction.
Construction that's our trade,that's what we do day and day
out, day in and day out, and ifwe do not build relationships
with our team members, it'sgonna change, it happen.
Like you said, we can't beeverywhere, you know, at all
times, but least if we're avoice when they need it.
Yes, we are there.
Yes, and I know as myself, as asafety professional, I'm
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definitely far from perfect andI think a lot of safety
professionals would say the samething, and that's that's.
That's good to hear too, man,the humbleness like, because to
To gain everything that you say,what you said, there has to be
a humbleness in yourself to thatrelationship, right, yeah, the
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when you're trying to createthat relationship, you got to be
able to lend yourself, yeah,and then the more and more that
you're out there, the more youlend, so, and then that's how
the relationship is gained.
But there's a.
There has to be a little bit ofhumility and vulnerability.
And vulnerability in ourposition, yeah, as we, we move
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through, because you know aswell as I do, they, they look up
to us, even though they hate us, sometimes hate us or we're
just regular people job, theyjust got this as a, as a job, we
just want a different careerpath, that's it.
So I always explain.
But it they look up to themanagement and we got to be able
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to lend ourselves To that.
You know, I was, I was laughingthe other day because I was
going through some my, my, mypodcast only got A four or five
of them out there and you know,through the weeks just listening
, and there's just some, somethings that keep coming up.
One is relationships.
Two is the guys in the field,and we're going to hit on
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another one because I want youto talk about.
You know what you do, you knowafter you know all of this, but
but those those things, thosetwo things have come up and I'm
convinced person that morecompanies lose money from
relationships than they doanything else.
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Absolutely, because, check thisout, you you separate work from
home and home from workGreatest thing alive.
But if you was to bring home towork, somebody's asked you a
question or you're dealing withsomebody who's maybe been doing
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some stuff, then this is likethe second time or something.
You're having a bad day andwhile you guys are talking, this
guy begins to yell out at youand now it turns into well, I'll
fire you and then you fire him.
But in all actuality, when hewas talking to you, he was
screaming at you because he'sfrustrated from something at
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home.
Here it is you done bringsomething in from home with
yourself and you ain't reallyhearing the cry out, cause if we
really knew him we would havesaid he doesn't usually act that
way.
But when these people come in towork, these relationships
whether it's with the client,the people and there's money
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involved oh my goodness, like ifsomebody is just on their own
mental or has got some thingsgoing on, man, that could mess,
you can mess up the next project.
You can just lose a lot ofmoney, man, oh yeah, through
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relationships.
So it's nice to hear thesethings are so important, because
to me, a great relationshipdoesn't mend if your character
isn't taking care of, if youremotions you don't know how to
manage your emotions, if yourmental health isn't together.
All these things that create arelationship we gotta take care
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of them, whether it's us orhelping somebody do that thing,
like you hit it on the head.
I mean we as safetyprofessionals, we gotta almost
be a chameleon.
We gotta mold to what needs usto be.
Come on, man, you know one daywe're gonna be an HR.
You know the next day I'm gonnabe a psychiatrist.
The next day I'm gonna be yoursafety guy, that's right.
Or the next day I might be yourpunching bag, right, hey, I'm
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all for it, because me, as theman I am today, I had a great
family that helped me.
They listened to my all my crapgrowing up.
Right on, man, come on, youknow so a lot of these young
people that I deal with day inand day out like, hey, I don't
wanna be a father figure to you,I just wanna be a mentor to you
.
You know everybody has theirown daddies, right?
Yes, I just wanna be a mentorto you and, to the best of my
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ability, help you grow intowhatever position you do.
Wanna go in within theorganization or outside the
organization If someone leavesand we had a great relationship.
Here's my business, my personalbusiness card.
Please reach out to me if youever need anything.
I'm still there for people and Ithink that's what kinda a lot
of safety professionals are.
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I mean, I still reach out to alot of my old safety
professionals.
Come on, man, it's because andthat link, man, it's a
connection and, the way I lookat it, it's a friendship.
I mean I generally think.
I mean some of them might thinkthat, but that's a friend of
mine.
You know we're acquaintances,friends, whatever you wanna call
it, but yes, you know, yougotta be there for people.
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You got to.
You got to, no matter what wayyou think about it.
If you say nobody was there forme growing up, I mean you always
had somebody for the most part.
There are certain circumstanceswhere someone didn't have
anybody.
Right, like really, yeah,absolutely.
But I try to be there foreverybody as much as possible,
and I know sometimes I'moverwhelmed with certain things,
but I'll eventually get back toyou and no doubt and try to be
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there for whatever.
You need me to be thatchameleon, you know?
Yes, yeah, yeah, being able toTo adapt to what they need.
That's my biggest thing too isI try to adapt to whatever
situation.
It is right, it could besomeone's emotional work, they
need a raise.
You hear it too.
Everything.
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You go to a job site and theythink you're in charge of how
much they're making.
Come on, man, I'll bring it upfor you.
That's all I can do, man,that's it.
Well, I want to move up withinthe organization.
I'll bring it up for you, butyou got to push for it, you got
to want.
You know, right, I'm all forthrowing words around putting
bugs in everybody's ears.
If that's what you want and Igenuinely think you're a great
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candidate for it Absolutely,I'll go to bat for you.
Wow, yeah, no doubt, man.
I try to tell people you're yourown entrepreneur, absolutely
Like.
You don't get a raise becauseof me, you get a raise because
of what you do.
You got to do it for yourselfand you got to work on yourself
daily.
You got to present yourself,you got to brand yourself, sell
yourself Like there has to be,and that's the greatest thing
(29:47):
about really looking at yourselfin the mirror is like you can
tell what you need.
You know what they're askingfor.
Fix what you need to fix.
You know what's holding youback.
You know what's causing you tohave a bad attitude.
Like fix those things, man,because at the end of the day,
as you present yourself, asyou're creating relationships,
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as you're creating friends ornew family members, whatever,
however you want to take them,it has to be you taking care of
you.
Number one.
You got to make yourselfpresentable.
That's right.
And sell yourself.
I mean, don't ask nobody for noraise.
You ask for the raise, show whyyou need a raise, because a lot
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of people think they need araise because they've been
working there for 15 years,coming to work on time, but you
get paid to do that.
You get paid to do that.
No matter how long you workedat this, you get paid to do that
.
Show me something extra.
Get you some more education.
Get you a certification.
Go out and help somebody elseoutside of your work.
Right, because sometimes yougot to reach outside of what you
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actually do Absolutely.
And when people start seeingyour value, now you can talk
about hey, I should be getting araise.
You got to have the separationfrom you to that next person.
You got to be on the samecourse yourself.
Man, go ahead.
I always say you got to be ahustler.
You got to want to have morethan somebody else.
That's right.
Right, because the way I lookat it, how many safety
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professionals are in this world?
A lot, a lot.
What separates me from somebodyelse?
You know there are certainthings and there are certain
things that people do betterthan I do.
You just got to learn how tosell yourself, sell yourself
worth and kind of know that'sright.
You know it's tough out there.
It is, man.
So tell me about your family,what you do outside of being a
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safety manager, safety director.
What do you like to do?
I know what you like to do.
Let the people out there knowwhat you like to do, and then,
once you're done with that, Iwant you to talk about what your
expertise is.
As far as when I say expertise,what do you say is your that
you say I know this well enough?
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Yeah, absolutely so with me.
I'm a father.
I have a beautiful wife.
We've been married eight yearsnow.
We've got a 12.
I have a son.
I have two kids.
One unfortunately did not makeit.
That's why I have this tattooedQuinn Rose OK, wow, did know
that.
Yeah, so she made it five days.
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Wow.
So, yeah, that was tough.
You talk about, we talk aboutmental health.
Come on, man, you know.
So that was tough.
And let's hit that right there,because I want to know this
right here is what we gotta begiven to our brothers and
sisters out here.
How did you deal with that man?
It was tough.
So me and my wife I mean, I gotthe chills right now and I'm
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not afraid to show it I got theQuinn Martinez bracelet, you
know, the cross, the tattoos.
So me and my wife, we had to doa vitro, right, so that's IVF.
So we went through all that.
About 25, 26 weeks my wifestarted having contractions.
They're like oh, it's justBraxton Hicks contractions,
right.
So the next day they ended upadmitted in the hospital.
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They're like you're in labor,they're like huh.
So we ended up having mydaughter and you know, when
you're born at 25 weeks you'reseverely preemie, right, that's
half the time you're in the oven.
So with that, she was born likeher heart wasn't fully
developed, her lungs weren'tfully developed and we honestly
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thought I mean we prayed everysingle night in the hospital.
I want to hear that again.
You did what Prayed everysingle night in the hospital, me
and my wife.
My daughter was in the incubator, you know the blue lights and
everything, and it was tough.
Man, that was the toughestthing I've ever had to do as a
father.
And I know my wife, she was asaint for dealing with it.
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I mean she went through itright, came out of her body.
I went through it with her.
That's the way I look at it,because the mother relationship
to the children is always a lotstronger, right.
That connection's there fromday one.
The father has to gain thatconnection.
So dealing with that, I meanthat's why I said mental health
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was a big deal.
I know I have mental healthissues.
I mean I lost my daughter, butI have two children and it
sounds like you still could be.
You still are slowly dealingwith some things, trying to
nestle that into a good place,right?
Yeah, Wow, man.
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So I always say every bad hasits good right.
So, like I said, my wife, we hadto do in vitro, so we weren't
supposed to get pregnantnaturally.
My son was born naturally, comeon, man.
So you know there's alwaysthose that word rainbow babies,
stuff like that.
But I have a beautifulfive-year-old son, man.
So my daughter was born April15, 2017.
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My son was born March 10, 2018,year apart.
So she's still involved in ourlife.
We deliver her flowers, my son.
We always say let's go seeQuinny.
You know, that's like her.
We symbolize the butterflies asthat's her.
So we're big outdoors people.
We have a property up at RedFeathers Campground right
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outside of there.
So all my nieces and nephews,if we see butterflies, we always
say there's Quinny.
You know it's kind of a funnystory, as last weekend my
goddaughter and my niece weredancing at Riverdale Ridge
junior cheerleader.
There was a butterfly rightnext to my goddaughter.
So I'm really into that kind ofstuff.
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You know I don't want to say itlike spiritual, but I am, you
know.
I really do believe in thatkind of stuff, and there is
reasons for that, no doubt.
Yeah, it was tough, right, Imean that's good man, because
I'm a Christian myself.
So when I hear that story, man,I'm listening to you because I
could still hear it.
It's probably not as bad as itwas the first day, but there's
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still some loss there.
Oh, there's severe sadnessevery April 15th, because it's
my thing is like, why hurt?
But what I see, though, is wheremaybe some of us get caught up
is that you're dealing with itby stepping actually into the
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very thing that is having youthis way.
Right, you go to the grave, yourepresent her on your arm, you
wear a bracelet Like it'spresent, right, and I think
that's so important, because wetry to run away from the very
thing that is going to make usto be who we are supposed to be.
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You know, and it's sadly to say, it's these tough things, but,
like we try to pray them away,we try to say I don't want to do
this, but it's those things,you know, in the valley, it's
those things that, when you're,they feel so tough and you feel,
you know, by yourself.
It's those things that if youjust continues taking one step
(37:09):
at a time instead of trying tooutrun the process, just let the
process run towards you andaccept it.
You ain't going to like it, butwhen you come out on the other
side, well, you're going to besomething special, it's going to
take you to another level andwhen you look back, you're going
to laugh because it's going tobe something that you're going
(37:31):
to say man, I never even thoughtI was going.
What I went through was goingto come to fruition, because now
I'm actually dealing with this.
If I wouldn't have that, wherewould I be?
So yeah, man, that's what holdsme about your story right.
There is that you guys arecontinually welcoming the very
(37:53):
thing that a lot of people runaway from, and that's where I
think when they start runningaway from it, the longer they
run away from it, the moreproblems they have, the more
problems they have, and thenthey don't even really know how
to deal with it because it justit just spiraled out Absolutely.
And that's one thing that mywife, my wife is a saint.
She, every April 15th dealingwith you, she has to be saint,
(38:16):
exactly, but every April 15th ofmy sons in school.
We pull them out of schoolbecause that's a special day,
right, it's sister's birthday.
We do something fun that dayAquarium, zoos, anything like
that.
I mean we still celebrate herbirthdays like everybody would
normally do.
She's gone, but not forgotten,that's right and that's kind of
(38:37):
the way.
My wife is the one that, because, I mean, I grieve different.
Everybody grieves differentEverybody.
And my wife still says all thetime you didn't really relieve
your grief, but I just didn'tgrieve the way she did.
Right, and there might be oneday when you will release
Absolutely, it's just not rightnow.
I mean, the way I look at it,my son, he's here for a reason,
(39:00):
right?
Yeah, he was there to.
Our hearts were broken.
He was there to help heal itand that wasn't by accident.
Right, that was the way I lookat it.
Someone knew that our heartswere broken and someone knew
that need to be glued backtogether.
And that's how we say it, youknow, and we deal with it.
(39:22):
And well, that's good, man, Ithank you because it's these
testimonies, man, that I thinkyou know we want to put out
there because, again, going backto what I said before, it's
like who's taking care of us,right?
I hope that you know, with ourfriendship and relationship,
that now that we are probablygoing to be closer and closer
(39:46):
through more interaction and allthose things and smoking some
cigars, that's right, Somecigars, yeah.
Fishing with you, yeah, doingthose things that we can lend
these testimonies to each otherand actually know that somebody
else has been added to therepertoire, right, yeah, that I
(40:07):
can lean on Kenyia on, or I canlean on Joe, I can lean on Perry
, perry can lean on Joe, youknow.
And making it more tight-knit,heck, we just ran into something
just today, that big oldmonster, big old monster man,
but needing a little bit of helpto uplift and upgrade his
experience and knowledge, anddon't know where to go.
(40:31):
Well, we've volunteeredourselves, the way I look at it,
and he's a brother man.
Yeah, if you don't share yourstory, but nobody's going to
know what your story is,nobody's going to know your
story.
So that's when I was approachedby you and Eddie, I'm like,
yeah, I don't know what I'mgoing to talk about, but I'm in.
Yeah, I don't know what I talkabout and what my expertise is.
Yes, might be somewhere wherethey might need my help.
(40:54):
Yes, man, and so I'm thankfulfor you coming to spend time
over here.
I hope I get every safetymanager from every company here
in Colorado man, that'd beawesome To get on here, talk
about themselves and be of value.
You know what I'm saying,because we don't get a lot of
(41:15):
taps on the back, we don't get alot of the thank yous, because
you know we are in a supportrole.
But I tell you this We've thensaved a lot of money, saved a
lot of lives, saved a lot ofagony through our work.
Man and I'm gonna pat us on theback, we gonna pat each other
(41:36):
on the back.
They continue pushing throughthis day because there's
sometimes, joe and I'm gonna betotally honest with the
listeners sometimes when I gohome, like my kids don't even
realize sometimes my wife,they're like what are you doing
out there?
And I'm downloading.
I'm getting everything out ofmy mind because I know as soon
(41:57):
as I go through the door, thedog, my five-year-old, my
14-year-old, my wife, they wantme, yeah, they want dad.
Yes, they don't want Ken young,right, they want dad.
They want dad and husband.
And I wanna make sure that I'mclear on my next day and that my
mind is clear and it's nothingbut love when I get in there and
(42:22):
, like you said, they're all ofme, man, and that's one thing
that I do when I go home becauseI got an hour or some change
ride, it's people like I know,you do it.
It's the greatest thing.
It's a decompression.
I'm thankful for it because I'mable to decompress and go home
and be the man I'm supposed tobe.
Yeah, because you have thathour and a half, though.
(42:43):
Yes, you want to wine, collectyour inner thoughts, yes,
process your thoughts and then,when you want one, by the time
I'm sure you're pulling yourhouse.
Holy crap, I'm already home.
I know, you know what I mean.
And then you're like well, mymind's clear.
Now I can be a dad.
Yes, yes, man, yeah, and there'stimes where it's tough, yeah,
you know, but I think it justtaking a minute, five minutes,
(43:04):
whatever it is, but justgathering yourself and just
really focusing, because, to me,when you take time out and you
focus, you actually see themoment.
Because see when we're driving.
To be honest with you, whenwe're driving we're doing other
things.
Oh yeah, the toxicity of theworld is so much that we aren't
(43:27):
really seeing the moment.
We're just making all thesequick decisions to get through
it.
But to actually recognize it,there has to be a focus, there
has to be steelness to get intothat space so that you can
embody the moment.
You know, sometimes we live inthe moment but it's so abstract
(43:49):
because we're trying to solvethis and solve this and solve
this.
It's like just take the momentand realize where you're at,
realize that, yes, you got thisand you got that, and figure out
how you're going to attack it.
But if you just stay abstract,you take these moments and they
(44:10):
just keep getting you mad, upset, putting you in a bad place.
So, yeah, man, just reallyhelping people get focused at
work and being who they'resupposed to be.
So again, man, I really thankyou.
Man, this ain't your last timeon this podcast.
(44:30):
Again, I'd like to thank mypartner in crime over there.
Come on over here, eddie.
Come on man.
Yeah, show the viewers who this.
Yes, the guy behind the sceneshelping out, this is my man,
eddie.
I just want to say thank you tohim.
He's just really given me anopportunity to do some things
(44:51):
for Alliance safety, for me, forhim and for the safety
professionals here throughoutthe country, whether it's here
or Colorado, whatever, but Ijust want to say thanks and I
wanted to put your face on therebecause, again, a lot of these
guys that create and do allthese other things back behind
(45:12):
the scenes don't?
They actually don't even likebeing in front of the camera.
So that's why I brought him outhere, because he's a little shy
, he's sweating and, yeah, he'sthe guy.
Thank you, introduce yourself.
Yeah, introduce yourself.
You ain't going nowhere, man.
Come on, man, tell us a littlebit about yourself.
Okay, next time.
(45:32):
So we'll hold him to that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Thanks again, eddie.
Thank you out there for thelisteners, the likes, the
subscribes.
We appreciate you.
We'll talk to you later.
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