February 14, 2024 • 34 mins
Have you ever considered how a seed, carefully nurtured, can blossom not just into a plant but also into a cornerstone of community strength? That's precisely the journey my cousin Sheena Schuler, a dedicated community care practitioner, and I embarked upon in our latest conversation. Sheena's tapestry of life experiences weaves together a powerful narrative of fostering safety, self-sufficiency, and overcoming the deep-seated issues of medical apartheid and food insecurity through compassionate local action.
In the pockets of every neighborhood lies the potential for growth and healing. Sheena and I uncover the therapeutic joys of gardening, a simple yet profound act that can teach us about patience, care, and the rewards of reaping what we sow. The significance of tuning in to our inner wisdom unfolds as we discuss the importance of aligning our lifestyle choices with our innate connection to nature. Sheena's insights into the natural childbirth process, supported by midwives and doulas, remind us of the transformative power of embracing our biological heritage and trusting our bodies.
Our heartfelt exchange culminates in the shared belief that grace and transformative support are the cornerstones of not only surviving but thriving through life's most pivotal moments. The stories Sheena shares are a testament to the impact a single person's compassion can have, extending far beyond their immediate presence. Wrapping up with mutual appreciation, we underscore the necessity of these dialogues for sustaining our collective journey toward enriched community living, promising to keep the conversations, our gardens and communities—growing.
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Kenyon Manley (00:03):
There we go.
Well, welcome, welcome, welcome.
We got Miss Sheena Schuller,who is a community care
practitioner.
I'll just give you a little biton my end of who she is.
She's my cousin, she's a familymember.
You know I should have broughtdown this thing.
(00:24):
I was looking through somestuff, Sheena, and I still got
that calendar you built withthem shoes on it.
Sheena Schuler (00:29):
Oh yeah.
Kenyon Manley (00:31):
Yeah, yeah yeah, I might throw something in this
thing to highlight it, but I'mgoing to let her introduce
herself and just trulyunderstand the need for this
practice for people in ourcommunities.
And I really do connect it withsafety because, again, it's a
(00:56):
personal touch.
It's something a littledifferent, but it's a personal
touch on the community.
So I'll let Sheena explain.
You know who she is, what shedo and what she's providing.
Go ahead, sheena.
Sheena Schuler (01:07):
Hi.
So yes, I am a community carepractitioner and what that
really means is I've foundmyself moving through life in a
lot of different spaces, doing alot of different things, and at
the core of it was alwaystaking care of people.
Right, when I was a chef, whenI was, you know, going into law
school, when I was doing all ofthese you know self-sufficiency
(01:30):
and teaching and all of thesethings at the core of it was
like, well, how do I take careof the people around me?
And linking that to safety isreally easy, because when you
don't have to look outside ofyour community or outside of
yourself to provide for yourself, that's safety.
(01:51):
To be able to feed yourself, tobe able to have somebody that
knows how do you know, birth thebabies and cook the food and do
the things and can help you ifyou need medicine and all of
these different things.
You create a safety net.
Because now we're not dealingwith medical apartheid, you know
.
We're not dealing with thingslike food insecurity, because
(02:13):
we're growing our own.
We're not dealing with thingslike brutality and other things
from people outside of ourcommunities that aren't directly
interacting with us, until it'sa violent nature or until it's
a political nature.
That's what community care isto me it's being able to take
care of ourselves, not in acompletely separatist way, but
(02:35):
being able to provide what weneed in any number of things,
and that, I feel, is how you canbest keep ourselves safe.
Kenyon Manley (02:46):
Wow, Wow, wow, wow, wow.
Boy, you spit a lot out thereright there for me, you know,
when, I guess you know it goesback to, you know, part of our
family on the manly side.
(03:06):
That's the only one I can talkabout, but at the same time I
can even talk about even theShuler's, the manly's in a sense
, because we all lived in acommunity where there was again
I head back to the village rightand we sort of was brought up
in a village mentality where wedidn't, like you said, we didn't
(03:30):
have to really go too far toget something for the house, to
get something, a ride somewhereto you know, look for some
encouragement, for a coupledollars or whatever.
Somebody next door around thecorner or in our family really
provided a village mentality.
(03:50):
So when I see what you're doing,it's really getting in tune
again with your village and nothaving to go too far either from
yourself to them or not too farfrom the community outside of
that, and you're keeping that,like you said, a safe net there.
(04:10):
So that is a very, very, verypowerful explanation of what you
do and why you do that.
My next question what is, Iguess, what is the challenges
that somebody like you or justthe community is having with
(04:32):
maybe doing, getting that carein a sense, Because it's not
like to me.
I really didn't know about ituntil I started really reading
about what you do and I've seensome things out there.
So I guess maybe explain, likemaybe the community and I would
like to hear about some of thechallenges that you, that maybe
(04:55):
you see out there, that peoplein their community can help,
maybe bring light to it or getinvolved with it.
Sheena Schuler (05:04):
Okay.
So again, I've been doing thisin different facets for a really
, really long time, but it'sjust these last couple of years
where it all kind of clicked asto how to pull it all together.
So when I started the People'sPride Project, which is my
self-sufficiency project, rightthat came out of watching and it
(05:26):
had always been a joke, like ifthere's ever an apocalypse or
anything happens, get toSheena's house and you'll be
good, right.
So watching people argue in thegrocery store or seeing shelves
empty, right, like there's nobread but there's sugar and
there's flour and there's salt,but nobody has the knowledge to
(05:46):
say I don't need to fight theperson next to me, let me go buy
the ingredients and make my own, and while I'm making my own,
make enough to give away.
So there's been a disconnect andpart of it is generational,
right.
Because we used to come fromthese generational families
where, even if mom and dad wereworking, grandma was there,
(06:07):
granddad was there, so whileparents were bringing in income,
you had this generation thattaught and cared for and passed
on.
So now, because of you knoweconomics, social issues we've
lost a lot of that.
It makes it different, ordifficult, rather, to connect
the dots sometimes.
(06:27):
So one of the biggest hurdlesthat I find is just a general
lack of knowledge.
And even we're in a space whereeverything's on the Internet.
You just Google it, you knowthe information's right there,
it's not.
It's really not a lot ofmisinformation.
Anybody with no training and noanything can jump up and
(06:49):
suddenly be an expert, you know.
So sometimes it really takessome weeding out to find it or
find your niche or recognize youknow where can I help.
Another problem I find peopledon't realize that how small
your help needs to be.
You know, if I'm out givingfood, giving things for the
(07:11):
homeless, which is another oneof the initiatives that we do
it's added to cans or something,or an extra box of mac and
cheese or something to yourgroceries and pass that out.
You know, a bag of rice, itdoesn't have to be.
I fed everybody, but that bagof rice can turn into a pot of
meals that can then feedeverybody.
So it doesn't have to be thisgiant thing for us all to help
(07:35):
each other.
You know, I do birth work, sopart of my thing is I tell you
I'm walking with you from birthto earth, breath to death.
Right, I can marry you.
I can marry you.
I could do everything inbetween and I got papers for all
of it.
So I'm not talking out mybehind.
But the rates of mortality orthe death rates for black and
(07:58):
brown women are the highest inthis country and some of the
highest in the world.
Part of that is because wedon't have people that look like
us in the places that keep ushealthy, right?
So if we don't have people,we're not passing down midwife
skills, we're not passing downbirth or death douless skills or
(08:18):
how to do these things.
We're at the mercy of otherpeople.
So a lot of it is lack ofknowledge, being too comfortable
in convenience.
I want it now, I want it fastand just not putting the pieces
together and part of it we havegotten a little lazy.
Kenyon Manley (08:41):
Well, you know, I want to hit on something you
know, because there you did saysomething that the brown folks
you know they're such higher.
I think that's super importantto really look into because you
(09:01):
know everything doesn't fit themold for everybody.
And I'm wondering, just on myend, and you might know, because
I've know you, I know you,you've done some deep research,
deep reading on what you'redoing.
I know you, for I know you Doyou think that that, the very
(09:22):
thing that you're talking about,some people have shied away
from that because that wassomething that we did when we
were slaves 100%.
But in all actuality, we had letsociety make us think that the
very thing that was nurturing,the very thing that that were
(09:44):
relational and transformational,not transactional.
Transformational they made usbelieve, in a sense, that they
connected that to slavery when,when, when, really, we were the
ones with the tools, that thatyou and the right now.
Sheena Schuler (10:04):
Absolutely.
You're 100% correct.
That's propaganda andrebranding, that's all it is.
I have studied under the grannymidwife tradition of birthwork
and even in that there was anactual push to remove.
You know, there was always abig mama, there was always an
(10:25):
auntie, there was alwayssomebody I birthed babies.
You know what I mean.
So there was an actual in the40s and 50s because the majority
of people that practiced orattended births were black women
, especially elderly black women.
You can go back and look in someof the counties in the south
there was one woman birthingeverybody in the county for
(10:47):
decades and eventually it waslike no, we need to make money
off of this, we need to regulatethis.
We're not going to tell theseold women.
They know what's going on.
We, not, they've only beenbirthing legions of people,
whole generations.
So if they started tomedicalize because originally
(11:08):
birth was not done in hospitals,it was a very communal thing
and that goes all the way backancestrally and now we're
telling these women that havebirth generations you want to
talk about slavery?
It was somebody's granny on theplantation that was birthing
everybody, big house and outsideRight.
And now we're looking at oh no,it's not safe to be birthed at
(11:30):
home.
You have to go to a hospital.
And who's in a hospital?
A man, because they're notemotional.
And it turns into this wholething.
The Red Cross actually steppedin and said no, you have to have
spurs or certifications,because now we're trying to
regulate these, how these birthsare given, to get people away
from these communal situationsand into hospitals.
So it's an actual orchestratedpush to pull us away from these
(11:56):
things.
So what you're saying about theoh, we did that during slavery.
Oh, we were sharecroppers.
We don't wanna go back to that.
Oh, we had to do it out ofnecessity.
But if you go back, our historydidn't begin just with slavery.
We were doing this from thebeginning of time.
All of these things we tookcare of each other, we took care
of ourselves from the beginningof time.
(12:18):
But in this countryspecifically, they tell us we
don't know what we're talkingabout unless we have a degree in
it, or we don't know what we'redoing.
Are we man?
Listen?
It's intentional, it's veryintentional.
Kenyon Manley (12:30):
Wow, what advice would you give somebody who was
maybe thinking about this wholepractice, natural birth and all
that?
So if somebody was justthinking about this, what kind
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of advice would you give them?
Sheena Schuler (13:00):
Which side first , which side works best for you?
Cause really it's a.
It isn't a one size fits allthing.
What works for you?
Maybe, if you're a busy person,you might not have time to grow
your own food or have a gardenor anything like that, but there
are changes that you can make.
There are places where you canstart to tweak things.
(13:22):
You can't grow a garden.
You can repot some celery thatyou bought from the store and
let it grow on your windowsill.
You can buy little herbs hereand there and as you grow,
believe me, once the bug hitsyour cart, you go from growing
like mint in the window tomaking oregano oil, because
you've researched and you foundout that it'll cure you from
(13:44):
everything.
So now you got a jar sitting inyour closet Like it just
blossoms, and now you're findingthese circles and like-minded
people.
It's just.
It's a really beautiful thing,but all it takes is just a
little baby step.
You don't have to do it all atonce.
Kenyon Manley (13:59):
Right, I know at our house we've for the last
since Janice, but she's 14 now.
We've always had a raisedgarden.
And you know just one of thesimple things and getting them
in with the.
You know the bugs andeverything, but really showing
them that, like trying to helprelate, you know the life part
(14:21):
of it and showing them that theseed that you plant you know if
you nurture it it's going to befruitful.
Sheena Schuler (14:32):
Yes.
Kenyon Manley (14:33):
And it's going to be fruitful in a way that it's
in your controlled environment,right, and you're dictating how
good and how pleasant that pieceof fruit vegetable is going
into your body.
So we've always did that and Ithink that we've sort of gotten
(14:54):
out of that, because I alsopersonally think that farming is
the like part of the Americanway of life, right, but they
have been pushed into thisproductivity where maybe we've
gotten out of the just growingstuff, naturally, where people
(15:17):
ain't deceived or whatever itmay be, but it has to do with
that.
So that's why I really, Ireally really love again what
you're doing.
Let's get on.
You got a little book journalthat's out.
Let's talk about that.
And what sparked the desire toput a journal out there?
Sheena Schuler (15:38):
So it's actually the first of a series of books
there's going to be four intotal.
This one was not one of theoriginal plans.
It's called Vibes, Messages andSpiritual Conversations, and I
was kind of.
You know how, especially in ourfamily, we always hear in
something, we always.
(15:59):
Ok, Laura, I hear you, I got it.
Kenyon Manley (16:01):
Yeah.
Sheena Schuler (16:03):
So I found myself in these moments of kind
of trying to figure it out andwriting it down, and I'm like
I'm always just grabbingwhatever notebook is nearby and
I realize, I realize, you know,I need one place where I can sit
and center myself and writethis down.
And then I'm watching it unfold, you know, day by day, week by
(16:29):
week, and it became a labor oflove in that.
Learning to listen, learning tosit with yourself even if you
don't call it meditation, evenif you don't call it any of
these, you know woo-woo titleslearning to just hear, even if
it's just your own inner voice,is so important.
(16:51):
You know, a lot of times that's, that's your true north, that's
your guidance.
So the the point of the bookwas to find out how to Receive
what is meant for you, how tohear it clearly, how to tell you
know what's really going on youknow how, Approach by who's
(17:14):
who's thinking about this andand what your advice for them Of
, I guess, lean towards.
Kenyon Manley (17:23):
You know, giving them their thought process, but
but why they should go this wayof you know maybe having a child
in mid-life?
Sheena Schuler (17:33):
Well, number one , you actually have a little
higher rate of success if youare a woman.
That is not a high-riskpregnancy.
You actually have a higher rateof success at either a birthing
center or a home birth with amidwife or and or a doula.
Then you do at the hospital.
(17:54):
Hospitals are and it's kind ofthat's the propaganda oh, you're
better off at the hospital.
But hospitals are very muchhave higher numbers of
interventions, you know,unnecessary C sections, women
hemorrhaging, all of thesethings.
So even if you know you mightlean toward they lead, they tend
(18:18):
to lean toward things that arenot always medically necessary.
So I would definitely, you know, take some time, do your
research, find someone that youtrust, you know, recognize that
there is a difference between amidwife and a doula, doula or
not medical Professionals, theyare emotional professionals,
right?
So we provide this, the supportand we advocate for you,
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whether you're in a hospitalsetting or elsewhere.
You know this is your body,this is your birth, this is your
child and you deserve to havethat in the way that you want.
If there is no medical need forthe staff of a hospital to
intervene, whether it be throughmedication procedures, anything
like that, let your body dowhat it does.
(19:04):
Humans have been working humans.
Humans have been working humansfor beyonds, so we'll just let
it happen.
But if you want to lean moreinto a more self-sufficient sort
of community-centered life ingeneral, find what works for you
.
If you're not Sally homemaker,there's so many other ways that
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you can take back control Of you.
Know what you do, how you live,what you put into your body,
what you allow around yourself.
It's all part of it and it'sall necessary.
Like the life that I live forliving Is not in tune with
nature.
It is not natural, and that'swhy a lot of us have a lot of
the problems that we have,because we're fighting against.
You know what our naturalinclinations are.
Kenyon Manley (19:51):
Awesome.
So now I'm gonna sort of getaway from Um, uh, sheena, the
community care practitioner.
I sort of want to go intoSheena and you know how she did
doing, because you know she hashad a lot, you know, you know,
(20:12):
for in the last few years before.
But you know, the reason whyI'm asking you is because you
know Me as well as you wereservant leaders and and that's
leaders always have thatquestion, sheena, it's like
who's taking care of us?
(20:32):
Right, right, um, but I knowthrough what you're doing,
you're probably learning fromthe people you're talking to, um
in a way that sort of keeps youup on your game.
Um, but I want to know howyou're going.
Sheena Schuler (20:50):
Um, I'm doing Every day.
It's about just doing and being, because it it really did take
a moment To reflect, because weall.
But why is this happening?
What?
What did I do to deserve?
And it's really like Me and mydad were having a conversation,
(21:14):
right, and he's like you know,you've done all of these things
and you've kind of bopped aroundin all of these different areas
and he was like it never reallymade sense to me because I was
like lord, when is she evergoing to settle down Right?
When is she gonna pick one thingand just rock?
And it was like he's like.
And then I had to think well,moses was wandering in the
(21:35):
desert for 40 years.
He's like your 40 years is justabout up.
So, like I was.
So you know, when a job is big,you need extra training, right.
And he was like when all in ishuge, you know it's gonna take
you a little bit longer to getthere, but you'll get there.
So, reframing the perspective ofwhy it's always feeling like
(22:00):
I'm getting hit with somethingextra, why nobody else has to
deal with this nonsense To bewho I am and stand where I have
to stand, I have to know whatcertain things feel like you
know I have to go through it.
I have Be so deep in it I can'thelp you.
If I don't know, just give youtheory.
Otherwise I can honestly saythere's done like a whole lot.
You can throw at me that Ihaven't already lived through,
(22:23):
whether it's the cancer, whetherit's the death, whether it's
Any number of things.
It's like I've been fightingfor my life, my whole life.
You can't tell.
I'm sorry if y'all don't cuss.
You can tell me shit right now.
He got Bennett.
I've been there.
Anything I really don't know.
Not only does it give youcompassion and empathy.
(22:47):
But you understand, and it's notlike, well, you know, just pull
yourself up by your bootstraps.
I've sat there.
There was no bootstraps, I wasjust trying to stay alive.
You know, and a lot of people,if you haven't been, you haven't
seen, it doesn't always clicklike that, so you just give it
some advice.
Yeah, so I've learned while I,you know y'all, you can stop
(23:13):
handing me tests and struggles.
I think I've learned enough atthis point.
Kenyon Manley (23:17):
The good thing is you weren't trying to survive,
you were survived, and and you,you sometimes you don't think
it's enough, but everything thatyou're doing is is what you
need to be doing, and and that's.
(23:37):
It's just good to hear thatBecause, like you said, you done
, you have been through a lot ofthings and now a lot to lend to
, because you said you know,this whole community care
practitioner thing is, it's apersonal thing and there's going
to be times where they're, likeyou said, the trust is going to
(23:58):
come in, with you having theright answer at the right time,
nurturing and caring for, forsomebody in such, a really in a
vulnerable state.
You know, giving birth,birthing a child is so, it's so
divine and so is special.
(24:19):
Some people think it's justlike something that just yeah,
that's that's, that's, that'spowerful.
How is, what are, what are thethings that you're doing that is
empowering your community?
I know you, I know you got someevents, you got some things
going on, but let the, let thefolks know how you, how you are
helping to empower the verycommunity that you're serving.
Sheena Schuler (24:43):
So, um, so that authenticity, autonomy and
community are the three wordsthat I live off of right.
So it's a variety of thingsLaunching a rights of womanhood
course coming up in March tohelp women reclaim themselves as
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women, not just moms, just notjust as objects.
But what does it mean to reallysit with yourself in the space
of womanhood and we're talkingabout all womanhood.
You know the trauma, the joy,the all of it.
You know to be better women.
We're still out.
You know, in Newark, we'restill out feeding the homeless,
passing out clothes and supplies.
(25:27):
I'm still.
You know, I still got my chefhat on.
So we do and cooking lessons,and you know, whatever you need,
my thing is I really want to.
What?
What do you need at that pointin your life?
Because I got the skills I can.
I can help you where you are.
I like you have to get to me,where are you, and I'll.
(25:50):
I'll help you, you know so,whether it's giving birth,
whether it's helping peopletransition out of life as far as
death, work being for theperson transitioning as well as
for the family left behind, ifwe're talking about just doing
healing and life coaching andenergetic work, I'm doing all of
these things.
(26:11):
It's not just one, it's reallysometimes you just got to have
that person.
That can.
I got you baby.
You know, lean on me, talk tome, let's get through it, and I
just, I just get you to the nextstep.
That's it Right.
We don't have to be lifelong.
I'm just here to get to thenext step.
Kenyon Manley (26:31):
Wow, man, man, okay, okay, that might be a mic
shut down right there.
Really, like, wow, like, yeah,I like what you said, like you
ain't got to come to me, I comeright to you, I'll meet you
where you at.
And that's what people need,not just on the doula or
(26:54):
whatever else, but like that'swhat some people need is just
for you to just just come downand just listen and and and and
find out what it is you yourselfcan do to provide something.
And, like you said earlier, itdoesn't have to be this big
grandios thing, because I thinksometimes you try to think so
deep and and it's like it's thesimple things that people want.
But if you ain't understandingthe truth, you know, you know
(27:18):
you're not going to be able todo anything, like it's the
simple things that people want.
But if you ain't understandingthe cry, if you ain't
understanding you know the, the,the, which, because, because
you're not, I guess, lettingyourself into where they're at-
(27:39):
there's gonna be a disconnect.
There's gonna be a big, bigdisconnect Between you and that
person.
Yeah, man, meeting people wherethey're at, and that's all
servant leaders, when, when Ithink about that, it's like you,
you got to have that type ofheart.
When we're serving and it'sjust meeting people, we're
(28:04):
adding, find out, you know, howbest we can serve man.
So, man, cause, I love it, Ilove it, I love it.
So, you know, with my podcast,my biggest thing is, like, you
know, it's really about those,those things you're talking
about, the like, focusing, likeyou know, when you're driving,
(28:24):
focusing when, when, when it'stime for you to be at a coaching
session, or, or, or a motherwho's who's dealing with their
child, there has to be a focusand and I I always fear that
what we do, we have to be at thebest at art because, again,
(28:50):
when you're dealing with, youknow, maybe somebody that's
needed to help them deal withdeath or to bring in life,
there's a crucial moment inthere.
And if you're worried about yourmy answers, or you're worried
about your relationship, or youknow something outside of what
you're doing is wrong.
We're not being.
We're not being the bestprofessional that we can be and
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and that's why how she know wasdoing because I want people to
know that, like she knows a A, acommunity care practitioner,
but she know also is somebodylike you that that that carries
not only Well what she does, butshe also carries herself that
(29:34):
has to deal with what somebodyout there who's watching is
dealing with, somebody who maybe In a corner, somebody who,
who, who may need to to reachout, because it's cool to have a
big, grandiose solution to, totrying to get people fixed, but
(29:54):
how do you get there, um, withsomething so grandeur, when,
when somebody, we got to firstmake that connection, that
relationship, to even understandwhat we need to give them.
So that's why I want to bringyou on cuz, because what you're
doing is is trans, is sometransformational stuff.
(30:15):
Um, when you talk about, whenyou're not here, what you're
teaching, what you're talkingabout and what you're doing,
it's going to transcend waybeyond On, uh, you know what
you're going to do and what youeven could do on this earth.
Um, so I'm so proud of you.
Um, I've been watching you fromafar For a minute, laughing at
(30:35):
you, because you know, you gotthis, you know this tough girl
persona.
You know what I'm saying and uh, uh, and, at the same time,
listening to you when, uh,you're, uh, you're talks with
the cats and uh, uh.
So when your dad talks aboutmoses, like he's right on with
(30:56):
that man, you, you really got abig tool belt To really be able
to serve in the space thatyou're in, and, um, I wanted to
get you out there, um, and andand really explain this because,
again, like I had to reallylook at this and I was like, man
, this is deep right here, likethis is something that I seen,
but I never really Took time tounderstand it.
(31:19):
And, and just seeing what itreally is about, it's definitely
needed and it's definitely, um,a fruitful business for, for
somebody who's, you know,willing to To do things the way
they used to be.
I mean, we've, we've changed alot over time, you know, with
this technology, um, but, uh,yes, yes, the the natural way.
(31:43):
I like it, I love it, I reallylove it, I really love because,
um, so I guess I'ma hit you witha question Is there anything
that that you would have wishedI would have asked?
And if that would, and if thereis something, what would that
be that you would want somebodyto know?
Sheena Schuler (32:08):
Not so much.
Um, what I wish you would haveasked.
But if I wanted somebody toknow something, give yourself
grace, because we're all doingthis day by day, you know, and
just because it might look oneway to somebody else, nobody
knows what's really going onwith you.
(32:28):
And Allow yourself, becausewe're living in a society where
everybody's got to be perfectand everybody's got to do this
and we've always got to besocial media ready and it's all
facade Right.
That's why we need to go backto these practices, because it
pulls away the facade and it'slike this is just life Right.
So be easy on yourself, likeand that's not to say don't
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aspire to the greatest versionof yourself, but recognize
you're still here to have ahuman experience, and part of
the experience is sometimemessing up right this sometimes
learning it's forgiving yourparents because they were doing
the best that they could,instead of just, oh I hate
everybody and now my life is.
Extend not just yourself grace,but the same grace you want
(33:11):
extended to you.
Extend to everybody around you,and I think we would help each
other a lot better that way andwe'd get a lot farther if we saw
each other with the samehumanity that we want to be seen
with.
Kenyon Manley (33:25):
Yes, yes, wow, okay, okay, I love it.
I love it because I love itWell, cuz I'm a, I want you to
know I love you deeply.
Keep doing what you're doing.
You're much needed out there,you're valued and and I just
keep doing your thing.
Let's stay in touch and I'llget with.
(33:46):
I'll be talking to you later,thank you Love you too.
Sheena Schuler (33:49):
Give the family love for me.
Kenyon Manley (33:50):
All right, I sure will, I'll talk.
Talk to you later.
Sheena Schuler (33:55):
Bye, bye.
There we go.
Well, welcome, welcome, welcome.
We got Miss Sheena Schuller,who is a community care
practitioner.
I'll just give you a little biton my end of who she is.
She's my cousin, she's a familymember.
You know I should have broughtdown this thing.
(00:24):
I was looking through somestuff, Sheena, and I still got
that calendar you built withthem shoes on it.
Sheena Schuler (00:29):
Oh yeah.
Kenyon Manley (00:31):
Yeah, yeah yeah, I might throw something in this
thing to highlight it, but I'mgoing to let her introduce
herself and just trulyunderstand the need for this
practice for people in ourcommunities.
And I really do connect it withsafety because, again, it's a
(00:56):
personal touch.
It's something a littledifferent, but it's a personal
touch on the community.
So I'll let Sheena explain.
You know who she is, what shedo and what she's providing.
Go ahead, sheena.
Sheena Schuler (01:07):
Hi.
So yes, I am a community carepractitioner and what that
really means is I've foundmyself moving through life in a
lot of different spaces, doing alot of different things, and at
the core of it was alwaystaking care of people.
Right, when I was a chef, whenI was, you know, going into law
school, when I was doing all ofthese you know self-sufficiency
(01:30):
and teaching and all of thesethings at the core of it was
like, well, how do I take careof the people around me?
And linking that to safety isreally easy, because when you
don't have to look outside ofyour community or outside of
yourself to provide for yourself, that's safety.
(01:51):
To be able to feed yourself, tobe able to have somebody that
knows how do you know, birth thebabies and cook the food and do
the things and can help you ifyou need medicine and all of
these different things.
You create a safety net.
Because now we're not dealingwith medical apartheid, you know
.
We're not dealing with thingslike food insecurity, because
(02:13):
we're growing our own.
We're not dealing with thingslike brutality and other things
from people outside of ourcommunities that aren't directly
interacting with us, until it'sa violent nature or until it's
a political nature.
That's what community care isto me it's being able to take
care of ourselves, not in acompletely separatist way, but
(02:35):
being able to provide what weneed in any number of things,
and that, I feel, is how you canbest keep ourselves safe.
Kenyon Manley (02:46):
Wow, Wow, wow, wow, wow.
Boy, you spit a lot out thereright there for me, you know,
when, I guess you know it goesback to, you know, part of our
family on the manly side.
(03:06):
That's the only one I can talkabout, but at the same time I
can even talk about even theShuler's, the manly's in a sense
, because we all lived in acommunity where there was again
I head back to the village rightand we sort of was brought up
in a village mentality where wedidn't, like you said, we didn't
(03:30):
have to really go too far toget something for the house, to
get something, a ride somewhereto you know, look for some
encouragement, for a coupledollars or whatever.
Somebody next door around thecorner or in our family really
provided a village mentality.
(03:50):
So when I see what you're doing,it's really getting in tune
again with your village and nothaving to go too far either from
yourself to them or not too farfrom the community outside of
that, and you're keeping that,like you said, a safe net there.
(04:10):
So that is a very, very, verypowerful explanation of what you
do and why you do that.
My next question what is, Iguess, what is the challenges
that somebody like you or justthe community is having with
(04:32):
maybe doing, getting that carein a sense, Because it's not
like to me.
I really didn't know about ituntil I started really reading
about what you do and I've seensome things out there.
So I guess maybe explain, likemaybe the community and I would
like to hear about some of thechallenges that you, that maybe
(04:55):
you see out there, that peoplein their community can help,
maybe bring light to it or getinvolved with it.
Sheena Schuler (05:04):
Okay.
So again, I've been doing thisin different facets for a really
, really long time, but it'sjust these last couple of years
where it all kind of clicked asto how to pull it all together.
So when I started the People'sPride Project, which is my
self-sufficiency project, rightthat came out of watching and it
(05:26):
had always been a joke, like ifthere's ever an apocalypse or
anything happens, get toSheena's house and you'll be
good, right.
So watching people argue in thegrocery store or seeing shelves
empty, right, like there's nobread but there's sugar and
there's flour and there's salt,but nobody has the knowledge to
(05:46):
say I don't need to fight theperson next to me, let me go buy
the ingredients and make my own, and while I'm making my own,
make enough to give away.
So there's been a disconnect andpart of it is generational,
right.
Because we used to come fromthese generational families
where, even if mom and dad wereworking, grandma was there,
(06:07):
granddad was there, so whileparents were bringing in income,
you had this generation thattaught and cared for and passed
on.
So now, because of you knoweconomics, social issues we've
lost a lot of that.
It makes it different, ordifficult, rather, to connect
the dots sometimes.
(06:27):
So one of the biggest hurdlesthat I find is just a general
lack of knowledge.
And even we're in a space whereeverything's on the Internet.
You just Google it, you knowthe information's right there,
it's not.
It's really not a lot ofmisinformation.
Anybody with no training and noanything can jump up and
(06:49):
suddenly be an expert, you know.
So sometimes it really takessome weeding out to find it or
find your niche or recognize youknow where can I help.
Another problem I find peopledon't realize that how small
your help needs to be.
You know, if I'm out givingfood, giving things for the
(07:11):
homeless, which is another oneof the initiatives that we do
it's added to cans or something,or an extra box of mac and
cheese or something to yourgroceries and pass that out.
You know, a bag of rice, itdoesn't have to be.
I fed everybody, but that bagof rice can turn into a pot of
meals that can then feedeverybody.
So it doesn't have to be thisgiant thing for us all to help
(07:35):
each other.
You know, I do birth work, sopart of my thing is I tell you
I'm walking with you from birthto earth, breath to death.
Right, I can marry you.
I can marry you.
I could do everything inbetween and I got papers for all
of it.
So I'm not talking out mybehind.
But the rates of mortality orthe death rates for black and
(07:58):
brown women are the highest inthis country and some of the
highest in the world.
Part of that is because wedon't have people that look like
us in the places that keep ushealthy, right?
So if we don't have people,we're not passing down midwife
skills, we're not passing downbirth or death douless skills or
(08:18):
how to do these things.
We're at the mercy of otherpeople.
So a lot of it is lack ofknowledge, being too comfortable
in convenience.
I want it now, I want it fastand just not putting the pieces
together and part of it we havegotten a little lazy.
Kenyon Manley (08:41):
Well, you know, I want to hit on something you
know, because there you did saysomething that the brown folks
you know they're such higher.
I think that's super importantto really look into because you
(09:01):
know everything doesn't fit themold for everybody.
And I'm wondering, just on myend, and you might know, because
I've know you, I know you,you've done some deep research,
deep reading on what you'redoing.
I know you, for I know you Doyou think that that, the very
(09:22):
thing that you're talking about,some people have shied away
from that because that wassomething that we did when we
were slaves 100%.
But in all actuality, we had letsociety make us think that the
very thing that was nurturing,the very thing that that were
(09:44):
relational and transformational,not transactional.
Transformational they made usbelieve, in a sense, that they
connected that to slavery when,when, when, really, we were the
ones with the tools, that thatyou and the right now.
Sheena Schuler (10:04):
Absolutely.
You're 100% correct.
That's propaganda andrebranding, that's all it is.
I have studied under the grannymidwife tradition of birthwork
and even in that there was anactual push to remove.
You know, there was always abig mama, there was always an
(10:25):
auntie, there was alwayssomebody I birthed babies.
You know what I mean.
So there was an actual in the40s and 50s because the majority
of people that practiced orattended births were black women
, especially elderly black women.
You can go back and look in someof the counties in the south
there was one woman birthingeverybody in the county for
(10:47):
decades and eventually it waslike no, we need to make money
off of this, we need to regulatethis.
We're not going to tell theseold women.
They know what's going on.
We, not, they've only beenbirthing legions of people,
whole generations.
So if they started tomedicalize because originally
(11:08):
birth was not done in hospitals,it was a very communal thing
and that goes all the way backancestrally and now we're
telling these women that havebirth generations you want to
talk about slavery?
It was somebody's granny on theplantation that was birthing
everybody, big house and outsideRight.
And now we're looking at oh no,it's not safe to be birthed at
(11:30):
home.
You have to go to a hospital.
And who's in a hospital?
A man, because they're notemotional.
And it turns into this wholething.
The Red Cross actually steppedin and said no, you have to have
spurs or certifications,because now we're trying to
regulate these, how these birthsare given, to get people away
from these communal situationsand into hospitals.
So it's an actual orchestratedpush to pull us away from these
(11:56):
things.
So what you're saying about theoh, we did that during slavery.
Oh, we were sharecroppers.
We don't wanna go back to that.
Oh, we had to do it out ofnecessity.
But if you go back, our historydidn't begin just with slavery.
We were doing this from thebeginning of time.
All of these things we tookcare of each other, we took care
of ourselves from the beginningof time.
(12:18):
But in this countryspecifically, they tell us we
don't know what we're talkingabout unless we have a degree in
it, or we don't know what we'redoing.
Are we man?
Listen?
It's intentional, it's veryintentional.
Kenyon Manley (12:30):
Wow, what advice would you give somebody who was
maybe thinking about this wholepractice, natural birth and all
that?
So if somebody was justthinking about this, what kind
(12:53):
of advice would you give them?
Sheena Schuler (13:00):
Which side first , which side works best for you?
Cause really it's a.
It isn't a one size fits allthing.
What works for you?
Maybe, if you're a busy person,you might not have time to grow
your own food or have a gardenor anything like that, but there
are changes that you can make.
There are places where you canstart to tweak things.
(13:22):
You can't grow a garden.
You can repot some celery thatyou bought from the store and
let it grow on your windowsill.
You can buy little herbs hereand there and as you grow,
believe me, once the bug hitsyour cart, you go from growing
like mint in the window tomaking oregano oil, because
you've researched and you foundout that it'll cure you from
(13:44):
everything.
So now you got a jar sitting inyour closet Like it just
blossoms, and now you're findingthese circles and like-minded
people.
It's just.
It's a really beautiful thing,but all it takes is just a
little baby step.
You don't have to do it all atonce.
Kenyon Manley (13:59):
Right, I know at our house we've for the last
since Janice, but she's 14 now.
We've always had a raisedgarden.
And you know just one of thesimple things and getting them
in with the.
You know the bugs andeverything, but really showing
them that, like trying to helprelate, you know the life part
(14:21):
of it and showing them that theseed that you plant you know if
you nurture it it's going to befruitful.
Sheena Schuler (14:32):
Yes.
Kenyon Manley (14:33):
And it's going to be fruitful in a way that it's
in your controlled environment,right, and you're dictating how
good and how pleasant that pieceof fruit vegetable is going
into your body.
So we've always did that and Ithink that we've sort of gotten
(14:54):
out of that, because I alsopersonally think that farming is
the like part of the Americanway of life, right, but they
have been pushed into thisproductivity where maybe we've
gotten out of the just growingstuff, naturally, where people
(15:17):
ain't deceived or whatever itmay be, but it has to do with
that.
So that's why I really, Ireally really love again what
you're doing.
Let's get on.
You got a little book journalthat's out.
Let's talk about that.
And what sparked the desire toput a journal out there?
Sheena Schuler (15:38):
So it's actually the first of a series of books
there's going to be four intotal.
This one was not one of theoriginal plans.
It's called Vibes, Messages andSpiritual Conversations, and I
was kind of.
You know how, especially in ourfamily, we always hear in
something, we always.
(15:59):
Ok, Laura, I hear you, I got it.
Kenyon Manley (16:01):
Yeah.
Sheena Schuler (16:03):
So I found myself in these moments of kind
of trying to figure it out andwriting it down, and I'm like
I'm always just grabbingwhatever notebook is nearby and
I realize, I realize, you know,I need one place where I can sit
and center myself and writethis down.
And then I'm watching it unfold, you know, day by day, week by
(16:29):
week, and it became a labor oflove in that.
Learning to listen, learning tosit with yourself even if you
don't call it meditation, evenif you don't call it any of
these, you know woo-woo titleslearning to just hear, even if
it's just your own inner voice,is so important.
(16:51):
You know, a lot of times that's, that's your true north, that's
your guidance.
So the the point of the bookwas to find out how to Receive
what is meant for you, how tohear it clearly, how to tell you
know what's really going on youknow how, Approach by who's
(17:14):
who's thinking about this andand what your advice for them Of
, I guess, lean towards.
Kenyon Manley (17:23):
You know, giving them their thought process, but
but why they should go this wayof you know maybe having a child
in mid-life?
Sheena Schuler (17:33):
Well, number one , you actually have a little
higher rate of success if youare a woman.
That is not a high-riskpregnancy.
You actually have a higher rateof success at either a birthing
center or a home birth with amidwife or and or a doula.
Then you do at the hospital.
(17:54):
Hospitals are and it's kind ofthat's the propaganda oh, you're
better off at the hospital.
But hospitals are very muchhave higher numbers of
interventions, you know,unnecessary C sections, women
hemorrhaging, all of thesethings.
So even if you know you mightlean toward they lead, they tend
(18:18):
to lean toward things that arenot always medically necessary.
So I would definitely, you know, take some time, do your
research, find someone that youtrust, you know, recognize that
there is a difference between amidwife and a doula, doula or
not medical Professionals, theyare emotional professionals,
right?
So we provide this, the supportand we advocate for you,
(18:43):
whether you're in a hospitalsetting or elsewhere.
You know this is your body,this is your birth, this is your
child and you deserve to havethat in the way that you want.
If there is no medical need forthe staff of a hospital to
intervene, whether it be throughmedication procedures, anything
like that, let your body dowhat it does.
(19:04):
Humans have been working humans.
Humans have been working humansfor beyonds, so we'll just let
it happen.
But if you want to lean moreinto a more self-sufficient sort
of community-centered life ingeneral, find what works for you
.
If you're not Sally homemaker,there's so many other ways that
(19:26):
you can take back control Of you.
Know what you do, how you live,what you put into your body,
what you allow around yourself.
It's all part of it and it'sall necessary.
Like the life that I live forliving Is not in tune with
nature.
It is not natural, and that'swhy a lot of us have a lot of
the problems that we have,because we're fighting against.
You know what our naturalinclinations are.
Kenyon Manley (19:51):
Awesome.
So now I'm gonna sort of getaway from Um, uh, sheena, the
community care practitioner.
I sort of want to go intoSheena and you know how she did
doing, because you know she hashad a lot, you know, you know,
(20:12):
for in the last few years before.
But you know, the reason whyI'm asking you is because you
know Me as well as you wereservant leaders and and that's
leaders always have thatquestion, sheena, it's like
who's taking care of us?
(20:32):
Right, right, um, but I knowthrough what you're doing,
you're probably learning fromthe people you're talking to, um
in a way that sort of keeps youup on your game.
Um, but I want to know howyou're going.
Sheena Schuler (20:50):
Um, I'm doing Every day.
It's about just doing and being, because it it really did take
a moment To reflect, because weall.
But why is this happening?
What?
What did I do to deserve?
And it's really like Me and mydad were having a conversation,
(21:14):
right, and he's like you know,you've done all of these things
and you've kind of bopped aroundin all of these different areas
and he was like it never reallymade sense to me because I was
like lord, when is she evergoing to settle down Right?
When is she gonna pick one thingand just rock?
And it was like he's like.
And then I had to think well,moses was wandering in the
(21:35):
desert for 40 years.
He's like your 40 years is justabout up.
So, like I was.
So you know, when a job is big,you need extra training, right.
And he was like when all in ishuge, you know it's gonna take
you a little bit longer to getthere, but you'll get there.
So, reframing the perspective ofwhy it's always feeling like
(22:00):
I'm getting hit with somethingextra, why nobody else has to
deal with this nonsense To bewho I am and stand where I have
to stand, I have to know whatcertain things feel like you
know I have to go through it.
I have Be so deep in it I can'thelp you.
If I don't know, just give youtheory.
Otherwise I can honestly saythere's done like a whole lot.
You can throw at me that Ihaven't already lived through,
(22:23):
whether it's the cancer, whetherit's the death, whether it's
Any number of things.
It's like I've been fightingfor my life, my whole life.
You can't tell.
I'm sorry if y'all don't cuss.
You can tell me shit right now.
He got Bennett.
I've been there.
Anything I really don't know.
Not only does it give youcompassion and empathy.
(22:47):
But you understand, and it's notlike, well, you know, just pull
yourself up by your bootstraps.
I've sat there.
There was no bootstraps, I wasjust trying to stay alive.
You know, and a lot of people,if you haven't been, you haven't
seen, it doesn't always clicklike that, so you just give it
some advice.
Yeah, so I've learned while I,you know y'all, you can stop
(23:13):
handing me tests and struggles.
I think I've learned enough atthis point.
Kenyon Manley (23:17):
The good thing is you weren't trying to survive,
you were survived, and and you,you sometimes you don't think
it's enough, but everything thatyou're doing is is what you
need to be doing, and and that's.
(23:37):
It's just good to hear thatBecause, like you said, you done
, you have been through a lot ofthings and now a lot to lend to
, because you said you know,this whole community care
practitioner thing is, it's apersonal thing and there's going
to be times where they're, likeyou said, the trust is going to
(23:58):
come in, with you having theright answer at the right time,
nurturing and caring for, forsomebody in such, a really in a
vulnerable state.
You know, giving birth,birthing a child is so, it's so
divine and so is special.
(24:19):
Some people think it's justlike something that just yeah,
that's that's, that's, that'spowerful.
How is, what are, what are thethings that you're doing that is
empowering your community?
I know you, I know you got someevents, you got some things
going on, but let the, let thefolks know how you, how you are
helping to empower the verycommunity that you're serving.
Sheena Schuler (24:43):
So, um, so that authenticity, autonomy and
community are the three wordsthat I live off of right.
So it's a variety of thingsLaunching a rights of womanhood
course coming up in March tohelp women reclaim themselves as
(25:07):
women, not just moms, just notjust as objects.
But what does it mean to reallysit with yourself in the space
of womanhood and we're talkingabout all womanhood.
You know the trauma, the joy,the all of it.
You know to be better women.
We're still out.
You know, in Newark, we'restill out feeding the homeless,
passing out clothes and supplies.
(25:27):
I'm still.
You know, I still got my chefhat on.
So we do and cooking lessons,and you know, whatever you need,
my thing is I really want to.
What?
What do you need at that pointin your life?
Because I got the skills I can.
I can help you where you are.
I like you have to get to me,where are you, and I'll.
(25:50):
I'll help you, you know so,whether it's giving birth,
whether it's helping peopletransition out of life as far as
death, work being for theperson transitioning as well as
for the family left behind, ifwe're talking about just doing
healing and life coaching andenergetic work, I'm doing all of
these things.
(26:11):
It's not just one, it's reallysometimes you just got to have
that person.
That can.
I got you baby.
You know, lean on me, talk tome, let's get through it, and I
just, I just get you to the nextstep.
That's it Right.
We don't have to be lifelong.
I'm just here to get to thenext step.
Kenyon Manley (26:31):
Wow, man, man, okay, okay, that might be a mic
shut down right there.
Really, like, wow, like, yeah,I like what you said, like you
ain't got to come to me, I comeright to you, I'll meet you
where you at.
And that's what people need,not just on the doula or
(26:54):
whatever else, but like that'swhat some people need is just
for you to just just come downand just listen and and and and
find out what it is you yourselfcan do to provide something.
And, like you said earlier, itdoesn't have to be this big
grandios thing, because I thinksometimes you try to think so
deep and and it's like it's thesimple things that people want.
But if you ain't understandingthe truth, you know, you know
(27:18):
you're not going to be able todo anything, like it's the
simple things that people want.
But if you ain't understandingthe cry, if you ain't
understanding you know the, the,the, which, because, because
you're not, I guess, lettingyourself into where they're at-
(27:39):
there's gonna be a disconnect.
There's gonna be a big, bigdisconnect Between you and that
person.
Yeah, man, meeting people wherethey're at, and that's all
servant leaders, when, when Ithink about that, it's like you,
you got to have that type ofheart.
When we're serving and it'sjust meeting people, we're
(28:04):
adding, find out, you know, howbest we can serve man.
So, man, cause, I love it, Ilove it, I love it.
So, you know, with my podcast,my biggest thing is, like, you
know, it's really about those,those things you're talking
about, the like, focusing, likeyou know, when you're driving,
(28:24):
focusing when, when, when it'stime for you to be at a coaching
session, or, or, or a motherwho's who's dealing with their
child, there has to be a focusand and I I always fear that
what we do, we have to be at thebest at art because, again,
(28:50):
when you're dealing with, youknow, maybe somebody that's
needed to help them deal withdeath or to bring in life,
there's a crucial moment inthere.
And if you're worried about yourmy answers, or you're worried
about your relationship, or youknow something outside of what
you're doing is wrong.
We're not being.
We're not being the bestprofessional that we can be and
(29:13):
and that's why how she know wasdoing because I want people to
know that, like she knows a A, acommunity care practitioner,
but she know also is somebodylike you that that that carries
not only Well what she does, butshe also carries herself that
(29:34):
has to deal with what somebodyout there who's watching is
dealing with, somebody who maybe In a corner, somebody who,
who, who may need to to reachout, because it's cool to have a
big, grandiose solution to, totrying to get people fixed, but
(29:54):
how do you get there, um, withsomething so grandeur, when,
when somebody, we got to firstmake that connection, that
relationship, to even understandwhat we need to give them.
So that's why I want to bringyou on cuz, because what you're
doing is is trans, is sometransformational stuff.
(30:15):
Um, when you talk about, whenyou're not here, what you're
teaching, what you're talkingabout and what you're doing,
it's going to transcend waybeyond On, uh, you know what
you're going to do and what youeven could do on this earth.
Um, so I'm so proud of you.
Um, I've been watching you fromafar For a minute, laughing at
(30:35):
you, because you know, you gotthis, you know this tough girl
persona.
You know what I'm saying and uh, uh, and, at the same time,
listening to you when, uh,you're, uh, you're talks with
the cats and uh, uh.
So when your dad talks aboutmoses, like he's right on with
(30:56):
that man, you, you really got abig tool belt To really be able
to serve in the space thatyou're in, and, um, I wanted to
get you out there, um, and andand really explain this because,
again, like I had to reallylook at this and I was like, man
, this is deep right here, likethis is something that I seen,
but I never really Took time tounderstand it.
(31:19):
And, and just seeing what itreally is about, it's definitely
needed and it's definitely, um,a fruitful business for, for
somebody who's, you know,willing to To do things the way
they used to be.
I mean, we've, we've changed alot over time, you know, with
this technology, um, but, uh,yes, yes, the the natural way.
(31:43):
I like it, I love it, I reallylove it, I really love because,
um, so I guess I'ma hit you witha question Is there anything
that that you would have wishedI would have asked?
And if that would, and if thereis something, what would that
be that you would want somebodyto know?
Sheena Schuler (32:08):
Not so much.
Um, what I wish you would haveasked.
But if I wanted somebody toknow something, give yourself
grace, because we're all doingthis day by day, you know, and
just because it might look oneway to somebody else, nobody
knows what's really going onwith you.
(32:28):
And Allow yourself, becausewe're living in a society where
everybody's got to be perfectand everybody's got to do this
and we've always got to besocial media ready and it's all
facade Right.
That's why we need to go backto these practices, because it
pulls away the facade and it'slike this is just life Right.
So be easy on yourself, likeand that's not to say don't
(32:49):
aspire to the greatest versionof yourself, but recognize
you're still here to have ahuman experience, and part of
the experience is sometimemessing up right this sometimes
learning it's forgiving yourparents because they were doing
the best that they could,instead of just, oh I hate
everybody and now my life is.
Extend not just yourself grace,but the same grace you want
(33:11):
extended to you.
Extend to everybody around you,and I think we would help each
other a lot better that way andwe'd get a lot farther if we saw
each other with the samehumanity that we want to be seen
with.
Kenyon Manley (33:25):
Yes, yes, wow, okay, okay, I love it.
I love it because I love itWell, cuz I'm a, I want you to
know I love you deeply.
Keep doing what you're doing.
You're much needed out there,you're valued and and I just
keep doing your thing.
Let's stay in touch and I'llget with.
(33:46):
I'll be talking to you later,thank you Love you too.
Sheena Schuler (33:49):
Give the family love for me.
Kenyon Manley (33:50):
All right, I sure will, I'll talk.
Talk to you later.
Sheena Schuler (33:55):
Bye, bye.
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