May 2, 2024 • 46 mins
Mike Bingham is the lead singer for the Bay Area punk band Spiritual Cramp. In this episode, we get all the juicy details behind the band's latest jam, "Whatever You Say, Man," a split seven-inch with White Reaper. We also dive into Mike's lyrical process, artistic inspiration, and why it's important to always keep your creative eyes and ears open. Matt and Mike also rate and compare some kick-ass bands, pay homage to the unsung heroes at the merch table, and tip our hats to the GOATs of the Bay Area punk scene. Plus, Mike accepts a hypothetical invitation to sing for Nickelback! As always, brought to you by Sailor Jerry!"
https://www.instagram.com/spiritualcramptv/
https://sailorjerry.com
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, all right.
Mike B, what's up?
Good to meet you.
Good to meet you, man.
Thank you for being a guesthere on the Sailor Jerry podcast
.
Big fan of the band, my man, soappreciate you being on.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah, good to meet you too, man.
I'm a big fan of yours as welland stoked to be here for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Oh man, I appreciate that.
I appreciate that, man.
Well, you know, let's just kindof dive into the latest and
greatest here because Idefinitely want to get you know
a little bit of background onyou and the history of the band,
of course.
But you know, you guys justreleased a split, seven inch,
(00:40):
with White Reaper across digitalplatforms.
The actual vinyl isn't out yet,but the song is called Whatever
you Say, man, and it is anawesome song.
What can you tell us about thetune and how did the
collaboration with Reaper?
How did that come up?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah for sure.
So that song was recorded inSan Francisco, along with most
of the songs from our first LP,I think we in total I was like
trying to catalog it yesterday,I think we in total recorded
like 22 songs for the LP, andnot everything made it on there.
(01:16):
There were a few, though, whenwe were trying to decide what
was going to make it on therecord, that were really
sticking out to us.
What was going to make it onthe record, uh, that were really
sticking out to us, and thatwas one of them that was like
really close to being on therecord, but we felt that it just
wasn't the right fit.
And, um, yeah, you know, we'reall big white reaper fans.
We have been for a while.
I have been for a long time and, moving down to la, I kind of
(01:41):
ran into the bass player ofWhite Reaper at my friend Zed's
birthday party and I knew he wasthe bass player of White Reaper
.
So I kind of just like walkedup to him and I was like, hey,
what's up?
Like sorry, like I don't meanto be a punisher, but like I'm a
huge fan of your band, and Iwas like, if you want, like you
could take my number.
You know maybe, and I knew hewas a runner and I'm a runner
(02:06):
too, and I was like maybe wecould go for a run sometime, you
know, because I just like yeah,yeah and um, and then our label
, our anr at our label, alsoworked with white reaper for a
long time and I think, like likeseven months ago, he was like,
oh yeah, we should do a splitwith white Reaper.
And I was like, well, yeah, likeobviously we should do a split
(02:27):
with white Reaper, dave, youknow, like of course I want to
do a split with a band that Ilove, um, but I didn't realize
that he was like actually teeingit up and he went to them and
was like, hey, you guys shoulddo a split with spiritual cramp,
and I think that they're allall I know, that they're all
(02:51):
fans of our band and uh, and soyeah, getting getting to just
meet them naturally.
And then the label was likekind of helping push that from
their end and we're all fans.
So, yeah, we're so stoked.
Um, the song is funny because,like when I recorded the vocals
for that song, I think it waslike one of the last songs that
I recorded for the lp sessionsand I was just smoked at the
time right like I just my brainwas goo and I was just so sick
(03:17):
of making music at that pointand I was just like man I it was
.
It was all gray out in LA too, Idon't know if you remember like
last April or May, but it wasgray for like 35 days in a row
and it was during that periodwhere I was recording my vocals
and so I just like it was justlike kind of coming at the tail
end of like me doing a lot ofwork and I was feeling really
(03:40):
smoked and and uh, so the songkind of came out kind of dark,
you know yeah, yeah but I'm notlike that.
I'm not like really a darkperson.
Really I'm kind of a bubbly guy.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So well, that's good to know.
Well, sometimes you know that'sthat's, that's what the art is
there for.
You know it's, it's, it'ssupposed to accept you at your
uh, your happiest and yoursaddest, your highest and your
saddest, your highest and yourlowest.
And you know, I think anyartist, musician, honestly,
anyone who's ever done a fairamount of work in their life
(04:11):
understands that feeling.
But there's a special type ofpride you get when you're
writing for an album, whenyou're just, you know the last
thing.
You're just, you're overwritinglyrics, you're overplaying
guitar, you're over trying tocome up with ideas, you're over
tracking.
You're just.
You're just, you're overwritinglyrics.
You're over playing guitar,you're over trying to come up
with ideas.
You're over tracking.
You're just, you're fried.
And you know everyone to acertain extent.
(04:33):
Sometimes it's the songwriter,sometimes it's the producer, but
there's always someone who'sthere to be like, hey, just what
if you write just one more song?
just one more song just keepgoing, just keep going, and then
and then, eventually you hit awall and you're like no, that's
it, the record's done, I'm done,it's all good well because you
can keep working on the recordforever if you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You know you could keep saying, oh well, that could
be hookier, that could be alittle simpler or whatever.
Like there's not, there'snothing stopping you from just
like making a record for sixyears if you wanted to, and, um,
and yeah, it is helpful to havepeople around like producers or
people with a label who canjust be like, hey, like you're
(05:18):
about two songs out, right,because in my head, like I have
no idea, I get lost in amicroscope.
You know, I'm so close to it.
Yeah, um, that song wasdefinitely written during that
time, but I think it turned outgood and you know, kind of like
it's kind of got.
Like us we were trying to gofor like a more kind of strokesy
vibe.
Yeah, you know, kind of justthese like down like almost
(05:38):
ramonesy meets strokes like, andhe's just down picked like
simple, really rudimentary, likereal, real, kind of like my
first band type riffs, um, andit turned out good yeah, man,
it's a killer tune.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Uh, you know, you can pre-order the vinyl now.
I think it drops on may 16th,right, yeah?
that's right thanks and you, yougotta love a split seven inch.
You know there's, know it'ssplit seven inches.
And you guys are playing showstogether.
Obviously later in the yearSome East Coast dates with White
Reaper Shout out, White Reaper,Tony we had Tony on the show
here Another great voice man.
(06:15):
You guys both have incrediblevoices and you know the split
seven inch for everybody outthere, it's all love on a split
seven inch for everybody outthere, it's, it's, it's all love
on a split seven inches.
You know there's there's nomoney in seven inches anyway,
but there's really no money on asplit seven inch.
It's very much so.
Artists to artists and just, youknow, normally, as you know,
bands evolve and they get older.
(06:36):
The the split seven inchbecomes rarer and rarer.
It becomes like a thing whereyou see a band you're like're
like dude, we should do a splitseven inch and it's like it's
never gonna happen, you know so,uh, when they do happen, it's,
it's awesome and this is areally cool.
Uh, split what?
What's the b-side on it?
Is there gonna be a b-side?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
it's just, it's yeah, yeah, so there's a.
So that's our song that wewrote, and I wrote all the
lyrics and tony sang on it, yeahthe other song and that will
come out as well, obviously isthe White Reaper song, and I
sing on the White Reaper song.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Hell yeah, dude, and it's really catchy.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Their song is, in my opinion, better than ours.
Awesome man.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Speaking about voices , speaking about singing.
What do you think are?
You know what makes a goodfront person to you?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
First, you have to know how to sing on key.
And you have to know how tosing on key in the studio and
you have to do it at shows.
You have to be a really goodsinger at shows.
That's baseline, in my opinion.
You can't be getting on stageand, like you know, just singing
off key Like I see a lot ofsingers who can get into studios
(07:49):
.
You know they use a bunch ofauto tune.
It'll make their punk bandsound good.
And then you see them live andit's like oh, you can't actually
sing and your producer justmade you sing.
So I think that's the mostimportant thing.
Um, and then, I think, theability to be a captivating
person on stage and take peoplewho are watching your band for
(08:13):
lack of a better term through ajourney.
Right, you walk out and like,how are you going to present
yourself to them?
Are you going to?
Because when I go on stage Itake up a lot of space.
I'm like King Kong, likebeating my chest, like hello,
like I'm, I'm a I'm.
I embody this kind of likeother part of me when I'm on
stage.
And you know, like I think thatIggy Pop is an incredible front
(08:36):
person.
I think Pele from the Hives isone of the best front people out
.
Uh, seb from Viagra Boys isincredible, but he's so low-key
with it, right, he embodies thisother thing where he's very
calm and cool down the middleand just kind of says these
funny little quips, whereas Peleor Iggy Pop, they're throwing
(08:57):
mic, stands into the crowd andscreaming at people, and that's
kind of more what I like to do.
Yeah, people, and that's kindof more what I like to do.
Yeah, um, but I think theability to do that and be
planned out and be methodical,right, I can speak to large
groups of people and do so in away that incentivizes them to
(09:19):
get behind what it is thatthey're seeing for the first
time yeah, yeah, you know youwant people when you play live,
like you want to play a show andthen have everyone in the crowd
whispering to the person nextto them Jesus Christ, who was
that guy right or girl orwhatever Like, and I think that
that a lot of times, peoplethink that that's like an
(09:41):
inherent trait in people, but Idon't think it is.
I think it's something that youcan get good at and get better
at and learn.
I mean, you know as you as youwalk down that road of being
like a front person.
You don't really know what itis at first.
You're just like, oh, like I'mlike decent at singing and I can
(10:02):
act like an idiot on stage.
And then you start reallylearning what it means to really
work hard on singing and workhard on being a good front
person and all this stuff.
So it's been a journey.
I mean.
I'm sure that you can relate.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Oh, yeah, for sure, and I agree with you on all that
stuff, but it's the best.
I mean, singing in a band isthe best, and Seb is awesome.
Love him, pele.
You guys are playing with theHives later this year, right?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We are, yeah, we're very excited about that.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, pele's the homie man, that band is so
awesome and so cool.
And yeah, that's LA and OrangeCounty, right.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, we're doing Orange County with the Heights.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Awesome.
That's going to be sick.
Talking a little bit about theband here, the band started.
What 2017?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, 2017.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
2017.
First album, television,dropped in 2018.
Incredible album, two EPsbefore you dropped the
self-titled album last NovemberFor everyone listening go back
and listen to.
You got to listen to everythingthis band has put out first
album, eps, everything inbetween because everything is
(11:16):
great, man, it's really reallycool and the band is evolving
into something that I'm reallyexcited to watch and listen to
and to see.
And I was curious just kind ofdiving into songwriting a little
bit.
You know what's your processlyrically.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Man, I am like struggling with that right now.
I have to write lyrics for these15 songs that we're supposed to
be recording next month andlike it just depends, right,
I'll hit play on one of thesedemos and like a hook I really a
lot of my brain is focused on.
Is this something that I wouldlisten to?
(11:57):
Because I like hooky pop music?
Right, I like repetitive, bigchoruses, I like big produced
music.
I kind of always have.
But you know, I like smallstuff too, and if I can like hum
out a hook for a song and thenusually what will happen is my
brain will just subconsciouslystart saying some words.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And as my brain starts saying words, I'll
realize that I'm I'm talkingabout something right, that I
don't even think that like I'mprocessing, and I'll realize, oh
, like, I'm like subconsciouslyspeaking words about being
frustrated or subconsciouslyspeaking words about people who
(12:40):
run their mouths online, like,or whatever.
Um, or the inverse of that is,sometimes I'll just be reading a
book or listening to a podcastor driving, and something a
little one-liner will pop intomy head, yeah, and I'll be like,
oh man, I gotta, I gotta, Igotta remember that that's a
cool one-liner, right, and I'llbuild a song off that.
(13:02):
I think like the song city onfire on our lp.
I was watching tv, or somethingright, and someone said
something about a city on fireand I was like man that's a
badass concept for a punk song,or, you know, like, like, like
television, right, like.
I look at tvs and radios and Ijust think about the symbology
(13:23):
of these things in punk rockmusic, right, and how, the use
of, you know, in pop culture,mtv, and there's just these
things that inspire what I wantthe sonic and visual language of
our band to convey, right, andthose things are old 80s punk,
(13:47):
rap music from the 90s, you know, public enemy, the class, you
know it's like there's thisdefined thing that I want to
express.
So I I try to think in thelanes of what those defined
things that I want to expressare.
Right, I'm not gonna.
I'm not gonna like.
I mean, I did do a love song onthe record, but that was like
(14:08):
me being on my in my morrisseybag.
You know what I?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
mean like I was, like you know, I was like, or am I
in my inner?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
pool bag, right, like it, like, it's like, like.
But those things like Morrisseyand inner pool and Cox bar and
the clash, it's like.
Those are my frames ofreference when I'm saying words
or creating a verbal languagefor spiritual craft.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, that's awesome man.
Yeah, it's always an ongoingprocess.
Lyric writing I think you gothrough so many different phases
as an artist.
Being tuned in is somethingthat I think has really
benefited me over the years,especially recently, because
that's where the new ideas comefrom.
Like you're saying, if you hearsomething you know just passing
(14:57):
by, or you know you readsomething on a billboard, or you
hear something on the TV or youknow.
So those are the ideas, thelittle ones that always kind of
spark new thought and can leadyou in a whole different
direction.
For me, I realized as a writerwriter especially lyrically like
going to the quote-unquote,well it's, it's like, uh, you
(15:18):
know it's, it's a slippery slope, you know, because I feel like,
like you're saying, you knowyou have a frame of reference
that you want to go to for thisband and you know, with the
bronx it's a different frame ofreference than an l bronx.
But, um, you know, sometimesyou you can't.
Sometimes, if you try to stickwithin that, it just you'll find
(15:39):
it.
Over the years it just getssmaller and smaller and smaller,
you know and you're.
you're just kind of like fuck,and you know you got to find
your ways, your ways out thatway too, cause, um, you know,
riding's a tricky thing foreverybody, cause it's everyone's
different about it, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, totally it's, because it's everyone's
different about it, you know.
Yeah, totally it's.
It's like, uh, it's like yousaid, it gets smaller and
smaller and like you can feellike it's like starting to box
your body in.
Right, you're like always usethese, that phrase, or I always
sing about this stupid thing, orwhat.
So you have to be a conscious.
You have to consciously go outand see you have to be proactive
(16:13):
and seeking other means ofinspiration.
Right, you have to be go outand see, you have to be
proactive and seeking othermeans of inspiration.
Right, you have to be like okay, I need to be paying attention
right now.
You have to be cognizant ofthings that you don't think
about and try to take them in,which is hard, because it's
really easy to just be a passivehuman being and let the world
inject itself into you and notstop and observe it and take
(16:36):
pieces of it for your art.
So I think I think just beingconscious about it right, and
like seeking out other forms ofinspiration.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely man and it's
good to have a balance of uh,you know, sometimes I fall into
the trap, uh, you know,musically speaking, of taking
things so seriously and tryingto be uh like, like heavy all
the time, you know, or likestuff like that, and man, it's I
mean, it's heavy is good,obviously, but some of my
(17:07):
favorite songs and favoritelyrical moments that I've had or
that I've listened to over theyears some artists I love are
just like you know, they're thelike the weird ideas.
You know, they're the kind ofjust like off the cuff, fun
ideas, stuff like that.
So you really do just gotta be,you gotta be open and aware to
all of it, you know, and thatway it's like you keep evolving.
(17:28):
You don't write yourself into acorner where you're always
writing about the same shit overand over and over again.
You know, um, awesome man, cool, cool.
Uh, let's uh, speaking of theinternet here, yeah, a couple,
we got a couple questions, okay,from the internet.
Uh, I love it.
On which part of the body wouldone might experience a
spiritual cramp?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
uh, I don't know, man .
Uh, that's an interestingquestion.
I think, uh, it's probably.
Uh, I would say, I don't knowif you can, I don't know if
there's a part of your body thatis connected to your spirit, I
guess in your heart maybe, orlike your soul, I mean your
bones, the bones yeah, that'llwork that'll work.
(18:10):
Yeah, the knee your brain, yourbrain probably is where that
all comes from, so I thinkthat's where you experience it.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Who is the?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
GOAT of Bay Area Punk and Hardcore Fuck.
That's such a sick question.
Max Wickham I think Max Wickhamfor sure, or Kenny Turner, from
Turner from fentanyl, is kindof a goat for sure.
I am definitely a Bay area goat.
Ross Farrar is a Bay area goat.
(18:43):
My wife, barbara Thompson, isalso a Bay area goat, but she's
not a Bay area punk and hardcoregoat, she's just like a
standard world goat.
There's a lot of goats.
Oh great, grace Coleman, butGrace isn't really involved in
hardcore punk either.
Goat, she's just like astandard world goat.
There's a lot of goats.
Oh you great, grace coleman,but grace isn't really involved
in hardcore punk either.
She's just like a recordingrecord producer who's the best?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
who's the best band out of the bay, you think?
Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
shoot, that's such a loaded question.
Um, okay, I like slugger.
They're kind of out of chicoand santa cruz.
Uh, I think spiritual cramp isthe best band out of the bay
straight up.
But, um, deaf heaven, I, I,they're, they're, they're still
based out of the bay area.
Gulch was, gulch was for sure apretty buff band.
(19:28):
Sour widows, um, from sanfrancisco or oakland, from San
Francisco or Oakland.
They're pretty good.
There's so many.
What's that band on Slumberland?
My friends at the band Neutralsjust put out some new music.
They're pretty good.
They're pretty good.
That sounds really good.
I love you, alan.
There's so many, it's hard tokeep track of all the wonderful
(19:52):
bands.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
It's a really cool time rightnow in punk and hardcore.
And one thing that you guyskind of remind me of Bronx in a
way, where you're a punk bandthat's kind of coming up in a
hardcore scene.
You know what I mean.
I mean, you're part of the punkscene as well, obviously, but
it's interesting sometimes beinga punk band in a hardcore scene
(20:14):
, obviously, but it'sinteresting sometimes being a
punk band in a hardcore sceneand sometimes, like for us, we
were always kind of like theweird band on the bill, but it's
a good thing to kind of be theodd band out.
You know, you guys have anykind of weird experiences like
that.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
As you might imagine for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Well, like, okay, okay.
So here's the thing is when westarted we were like, I think,
our first, our first four showsoutside of the bay area sans one
, in a way, um, we're withturnstile and our friends in the
story so far and drug church,right.
So by off off the bat we wereplaying hardcore shows.
(20:55):
And then American Nightmaretook us out on a US tour, but
Pissed Jeans was on some ofthose shows, right, so we
weren't necessarily the odd bandout.
And then we went on tour withradioactivity, which was awesome
we're all big fans.
And then we went on tour withbeach fossils and waves Right.
(21:16):
So that is, and that was likethe.
Those were the first like fourtours we ever did.
So it was kind of just likethrowing darts at a dartboard
and they were all in differentplaces and we felt pretty
comfortable in all of them.
So we started exploring all ofthose things, right, like indie
rock with beach fossils and punkwith radioactivity, and then,
(21:38):
like the top 40, hardcore with,with turnstile and I think the
only place that like like reokay.
So recently our friends play inthe band unbroken and one of my
very good friends is the bassplayer of Unbroken.
His name's Rob Moran.
He's a tremendous guy.
You probably had him on theshow or you probably know him.
(22:01):
But Rob said hey, mike, we'regoing to do a show in Philly and
we would love if SpiritualCramp could play with Unbroken.
It was blacklistedUnbrokenbroken spiritual cramp.
I think scarab played,magnitude played.
It was a capital h hardcore showand we got up on that stage in
(22:24):
philly and like during that setthere's a video of it People
were just, they just stood thereand there was.
You could tell about half ofthem were like I can't beat
anyone up to this, I don't wantanything to do with this, and
this is you guys are whackBecause we're California punks,
right, we're not hardcore kids,we're like punks.
(22:47):
And then the other half of thecrowd was like yes, and then the
other half of the crowd waslike, yes, right, but they, but
they weren't.
They were there because theywere going to, like you know, go
crazy for Unbroken andBlacklisted in their hometown,
right, which makes total sense.
But I think that show for us,like we really did feel the
crowd there.
You could feel that there was alot of them who did not know
(23:09):
what the fuck was going on infront of them.
Who did not know what the fuckwas going on in front of them,
yeah, but like the, the flipside of that coin is like the
next time we went to philly, Ihad like five people walk up to
me and be like hey, fyi, like Isaw you with unbroken and you
blew my mind.
So in the moment, things canvery viscerally feel like we're
not supposed to be here, thesehardcore people don't like us
(23:32):
and I don't want to do thisanymore.
And then six months later,you're back playing the same
venue, the church and the entirecrowd singing along and half of
them are like hey, like justFYI, I feel with you guys hadn't
played that show, I wouldn'tknow who we were.
So I just think that, like youcould feel, however it is, you
feel in the moment Right and belike this sucks, like they don't
, they don't understand me, I'ma punk.
(23:55):
And then like later on, it'slike dude, like cause you
feelings aren't facts Right.
Like what you're feeling in themoment is not true.
It doesn't mean if you feelafraid or you feel like an odd
man out, like I said, it doesn'tmatter, because there are
people in that crowd who arelike yo, I know exactly what
you're doing.
I love madness.
They're like I love drum andbass, you know, or whatever.
(24:17):
But I think that show inparticular was one where, off
the rip, I was like man, thatwas awful and then, as it
softened a little, I was like,oh well, we were just a punk
band playing Blacklisted'sHometown Reunion show.
Of course they're not going tomosh each other into oblivion,
they're just going to watch andclap and tweet songs.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I mean, it's a trip man.
It's rad as a musician becauseit's just you're playing and
it's cool.
And, like you're saying,sometimes it's weird, sometimes
it's not, but at the end of theday, who the fuck cares?
It's cool.
It's cool being I like beingthe band that, like you're
saying, can play with a bunch ofdifferent types of bands.
(25:01):
You know, I remember, like whenwe, when the first bronx record
came out, we were signed onferret, yeah, and so, like we
did, we did like hell fest 2003,and it was like what the fuck
are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Right, I mean, I have always felt like a kinship with
the Bronx.
I mean, we just met each otherright now, but the way that your
band moves, it's like Iremember you guys were on tour
with the Hives Refused and theBronx yeah, yeah, yeah.
But then you're also like doingmariachi alabronx at the same
time, and I just remember beinglike these guys are trying to
(25:38):
occupy a lot of space and I lovethat, because that's what I
like to do as well.
Right, like, yeah, I'm a fan of, I'm a fan of turnstile and I'm
a fan of beach fossils and I'ma fan of, I'm a fan of turnstile
and I'm a fan of beach fossilsand I'm a fan of, I'm a fan of
all of these things and I wantto be in those rooms and I I've.
I feel like the Bronx is a bandthat does a really good job of
(25:59):
doing the same kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I appreciate that At the end of the day, you don't.
You know it's like art is toexperience and to live and to
share, and and to live and toshare, and no one wants to be
boxed in, even if the box isawesome.
You know, it's like.
You know, you just eventually,you know, creatively speaking,
(26:21):
you want to be able to dodifferent things and and to
fully express yourself on, youknow, the complete spectrum of
life.
Yeah, it's just cool, man, Iwas.
I wanted to rap with you aboutthat Because I know how funny it
can be.
Sometimes we did like a whencrack the sky came out, we did
like macedon and converge, whoaand dude it was.
I mean, I mean it was greatbecause you know we're we're
(26:43):
friends and it was awesome asgreat memories, but I mean not
necessarily the biggest bronxaudience.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, that for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
But you know but was.
But it was cool and, likeyou're saying, that tour
specifically was one of thoseones where it was like you'd
find people down the road.
They'd be like dude.
I saw you guys at Macedon and Icouldn't really act like I was
into it, but I was really intoit Totally.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Those things do move the needle right, it's just.
But they feel like, like in themoment, you're like man, what
did we do?
What you know and get me out ofhere.
Even even those turnstile storyso far shows that we opened up
like we were freaking thoselittle kids out, for sure, and
but that was in 2017, right,when I didn't have my my stage
(27:29):
swag yet.
Like, my stage swag is turned upnow and I would know how to
like, I know how to work thatcrowd now, but back then I was
just like I was on some fuck you, fuck you punk rock.
You know what I'm.
You, you don't understand mebecause I'm a real punk type
bullshit and and I was scaringthe hoes at the at that show,
(27:49):
you know, but like, but like,but it's like you know, even
even with like that, that thathardcore crowd, well, you know,
at that church show, like afterdoing it once, now I understand
what it is and like I could doit again and I think I could do
it better next time, you knowyeah, yeah, and shout out to the
church.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
we've played there a couple times.
Oh yeah, the legendary venue.
So much fun playing there.
So, much fun.
Okay, another question here.
This is kind of a hot topicright here.
Okay, in 2024, does the merchperson deserve 100% of the tips?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Oh my gosh, I just found out that some bands don't
give them 100% of the tips.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, bands are pissed, bands are taking the
tips back.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, I'm not going to take our merch person's tips.
I will say, though, that ifyou're watching this and you
don't have a lot of context for,like you know how much money is
made on like a tour, you canpretty much bet that the merch
person, for whatever band it isthat you're gonna go see, is
(29:00):
probably making more than theband members.
It depends, you know, but, likeI have friends who are in like
pretty big band bands who selllike you know they'll sell out
like three thousand.
I mean pretty big quote,unquote.
You know they'll sell out likethree.
I mean pretty big quote,unquote.
You know they'll sell 3 000tickets in new york or la yeah,
yeah and like like my homie wastelling me the other day.
He was like yeah, like our merchperson for sure makes way more
(29:22):
money on tour than we do, whichis bonkers.
I got into the wrong business,um yeah, it's, it's one.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
It's one of those things where I because I, I
can't, I can't do it either, Idon't have the heart to do it,
yeah, but it's like, uh, yeah,there's a lot of bands right now
saying, well, you know whenthey're, when they're tipping
they're, you know they're notnecessarily tipping the merch
person, they're tipping the band, and it's like, yes, that's a
fair point.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I mean, that's the thing is like like there's so
little money to go around right,that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
There's not enough meat on the bone.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
They got us attacking each other now yeah so it's
like when, when there's like anextra 400 a night to look at on
a budget sheet, like you'relooking at that, and you're like
, fuck man, that'd be greatbecause we were just out for 45
days and that would put anotherthree thousand dollars in my
(30:19):
pocket, right, which is likeyeah, which is sick, um, that's
my rent, or whatever.
But see, we haven't even, we'relike not even there yet you
know what I mean, like ourband's, like not even to the
point, like actually that's why.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
That's why you gotta start splitting them now,
because once you get there, yeah, yeah, no, I think uh I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I've heard that it's.
I've heard that it's a bad formto cap your merch person's tips
.
Someone's told me that's like awhispered about thing that if
you're a band who caps yourmerch person's tips In the merch
community.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, I heard that there are people who whisper in
group chats about you.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, no one wants to be outed in the merch group
chat.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Oh, no, no, because the merch people are the best
people on earth.
If you're a merch guy andyou're actually making money,
that means you're really cool.
You know what I mean?
Because the bands are like no,this guy's got to come with us,
yeah absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
It's an extended member of the band.
Shout out to all the merchpeople around the world.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Off the top.
Keep your chips.
Mac Miller Goats.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
All right, a couple kind of pick thems here.
Let's see which uh which whichyou're going with.
Okay, you got Gigi Allen orDarby crash.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Darby crash.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Easy Iggy popper.
David Bowie.
Iggy pop, Easy Danzig or themisfits.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Oh, uh.
I think I would say Dancing.
Just because those first threerecords are so disgusting, and
Rick Rubin is a part of it.
It's like listening to theMisfits on Rick Rubin.
Is what listening to thoseDancing records is?
But I mean I do love theMisfits Rubin with that spooky,
(32:10):
spooky ass music.
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, it's so good uh hot snakes or rocket from the
crypt fuck yeah, sick question.
Hot snakes all the way rip rick, yeah, for sure, uh, nirvana or
oasis oasis damn oasisrespectfully I.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I know that's a bit controversial.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Are they ever getting back together, you think?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I almost Nirvana.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Is Oasis getting back together?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Sure, I'm going to be there.
I'm going to be there with mylittle stupid mod haircut you
know what I mean my littleanorak on.
Oh, I'm going to go crazy, sure.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I think I know the answer to this clash of the
pistols fuck like musically, theclash.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And like career, career wise, the clash.
Like their careers are so cooland innovative and they're just
such innovative artists, um, butfrom like a flash in the pan
cultural perspective, I thinkthe sex pistols are pretty cool
too.
They were able to just createthis entire blueprint.
But I think the answer is theClash.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yeah, you listen to the Clash more, right.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, for sure yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I listen to the.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Clash more for sure, but I think there's a place for
safety pins.
It's tight.
I mean Nevermind the.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Bullocks I it's tied.
I mean never mind the bullocksis, it's an all-time album it's
so good, it really is great yeahblack flag or bad brains?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
fucking so sick dude.
These questions are so sick.
Black flag, california.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Uber alice yeah, nice , uh, all right, speaking of
ceremony or dead kennedys.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Fuck man, that's a good, that's insane.
Um, oh, dude, like okay, that'sso divisive because, like
ceremony has just arguably justhad this impact on my life that
like, if it weren't on forceremony, I would not be Mike
(34:11):
from spiritual crap like ross islike I mean that dude, like the
impact that he has had on mylife is just I could, I could
speak for many hours about rossferrari, ceremony, ceremony.
Yeah, even though I do love.
I do love the dead kennedyfucking from san francisco a
couple more questionshypotheticals.
(34:31):
We're going hypothetical here.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
We're going to start with the genie in the bottle,
Whether it's Aladdin it's forsure, robin Williams.
The genie comes out of thebottle.
You got one wish.
What's it going to be?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I'm going to say some crazy shit.
I wish for peace on Earth.
I wish for every living beingto have peace and to have
everything that they want withinreason.
You know, I want everyone onEarth to have the peace that
they're, they are seeking,because if the world, if
everyone had that piece man, ohmy god, yeah it'd be
(35:09):
unbelievable.
But then we have no war, we'dhave no punk rock, right.
We have nothing to rebelagainst, so I don't know.
I think peace on earth at amillion dollars and the power to
be invisible that's three,that's three, that's three you
got, one you got we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
We're gonna stick with peace on earth, invisible
would be pretty tight yeah, uh,bill and ted wild stallions,
come down phone booth timemachine anywhere, any era in
history.
Where are you going first andwhy?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I'm gonna go to ramon's new year's eve show in
new york city on 1979, in 1979,uh, what was it?
They played the palladium in1979.
Yeah, with Alda Verda or Iforget the name of the band.
It was this other Sire Recordsband.
But I'm going to go to thatshow first and then I'll just
(35:56):
walk around after that and seewhere it takes me.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Hell yeah, that's a good answer, that's a good
answer.
All right, here's the lasthypothetical here.
Okay, your manager, ryan, shoutout.
Ryan, he calls you, you're onthe road.
Okay, let's set it up here.
You're on the road, maybesomewhere in the Midwest, maybe
(36:18):
it's not really that great of atour.
You're kind of getting your asskicked.
You might be thinking aboutyour life a little bit.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, been there.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
And your manager calls you and he says, mike B.
You're never going to believethis, but I just got an email
from Nickelback.
Chad Kroger lost his mind.
He's out.
The band has thought about it.
They got their ears to theground.
(36:53):
They've been looking at a lotof different people cats, yeah,
yeah, hip cats, hip cats yeah,they want you to replace chad
kroger and nickelback.
Okay, you get a $500,000signing bonus.
Okay, you're going to beheadlining arena tours in Canada
.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
By this summer, okay, but you got to make the call
right now.
Do you do it or no?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Okay, a couple of questions.
Okay, first off, what happensto all the royalties?
Does chad keep his royalties ordo I?
Am I taking over publishing andmaster?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
well, okay, let's, let's say this, let's say that
you're also signing on for a onerecord deal, but any, I mean,
you know you'll get, you'll getsome live performance, you know
royalties but you know, inhis'll get some live performance
royalties, but you know, andhis share of the live
performance fees.
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
And one more question Is the band dead set on touring
for like at least like two orthree years?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, you're going to be the new face of Nickelback.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Let's go.
I'm like a thousand percent.
I'm like all in on nickelbackand fucking, fuck spiritual cram
and fuck everyone in that band.
Yeah, respectfully, I'm fuckingout and my baby is about to eat
.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
My girls are going to eat good yes, yeah, hell, yeah,
awesome, uh, all right, um,real quick.
This is the Sailor Jerrypodcast.
Norman Collins, traditionaltattoo godfather.
I know you are on your way tobecoming a tat daddy here at
some point, because you've got acouple.
(38:38):
What was your first tattoo andwhat was your most recent one?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Oh my gosh, this is so awesome.
My first tattoo was a tattooright here on my arm.
I was like 17 and I got a shyhalloo tattoo.
Yeah, yeah, I, I know I.
I was like, well, how do I lieabout this?
I'm like just gonna say it.
Um, and it's a, you remember,derrick has the artist yeah,
(39:03):
it's a derrick has designed shialu tattoo.
Um, which is so fucking crazy,but uh, I still have it to be
honest.
Um, okay, what was my mostrecent tattoo?
Uh, something on my stomach,probably nice, yeah shout out to
matt house at um.
I don't know.
I think he just opened up hisown private studio, but he was
(39:24):
working at idle hands at thetime.
Matt's a great tattoo artistawesome, cool.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, I was gonna just ask you if there was any,
uh, if you had to go to artistsor if there's anyone you wanted
to give a shout out to.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
That's awesome idle hands, san francisco, oh, hell
yeah awesome, awesome.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Mike b uh, spiritual cramp.
Last question here, a littlebit of a doozy, but I think
you're ready for it.
I'm ready.
What?
What to you, is the meaning oflife?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
What is the meaning of life?
The meaning of life to me is tobe I wish I had like a funny
joke answer, but I don't have ajoke answer.
I can honestly tell you what Ithink skill.
(40:10):
And I think it's a skill tolook around and just be thankful
for everything I have every dayand live peacefully with
everything that I have.
Because if suffering isrelative, right, like it's like
a Buddhist thing if you haveeverything or if you have
nothing, you can create the samespace of happiness inside of
your head.
And I just I'm someone who getscaught up on prizes, right, like
(40:33):
I want all the prizes, right, Iwant a cool house and I want to
be in a popular band, I wanteveryone to like me.
But like those things don'tever satiate, right.
They never have all the coolclothes in the world and all the
attention and all the money inthe world.
It never satiated me.
The only thing that satiates meis when I look around and I
kind of take stock and what'sright in front of me and I I
(40:57):
focus on living in the present.
So I think that's the meaningof life.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Hell yeah, my man.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Appreciate you.
Mike man, it's been greattalking with you.
Thank you very.
Oh, all right.
Mike B, what's up?
Good to meet you.
Good to meet you, man.
Thank you for being a guesthere on the Sailor Jerry podcast
.
Big fan of the band, my man, soappreciate you being on.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah, good to meet you too, man.
I'm a big fan of yours as welland stoked to be here for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Oh man, I appreciate that.
I appreciate that, man.
Well, you know, let's just kindof dive into the latest and
greatest here because Idefinitely want to get you know
a little bit of background onyou and the history of the band,
of course.
But you know, you guys justreleased a split, seven inch,
(00:40):
with White Reaper across digitalplatforms.
The actual vinyl isn't out yet,but the song is called Whatever
you Say, man, and it is anawesome song.
What can you tell us about thetune and how did the
collaboration with Reaper?
How did that come up?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah for sure.
So that song was recorded inSan Francisco, along with most
of the songs from our first LP,I think we in total I was like
trying to catalog it yesterday,I think we in total recorded
like 22 songs for the LP, andnot everything made it on there.
(01:16):
There were a few, though, whenwe were trying to decide what
was going to make it on therecord, that were really
sticking out to us.
What was going to make it onthe record, uh, that were really
sticking out to us, and thatwas one of them that was like
really close to being on therecord, but we felt that it just
wasn't the right fit.
And, um, yeah, you know, we'reall big white reaper fans.
We have been for a while.
I have been for a long time and, moving down to la, I kind of
(01:41):
ran into the bass player ofWhite Reaper at my friend Zed's
birthday party and I knew he wasthe bass player of White Reaper
.
So I kind of just like walkedup to him and I was like, hey,
what's up?
Like sorry, like I don't meanto be a punisher, but like I'm a
huge fan of your band, and Iwas like, if you want, like you
could take my number.
You know maybe, and I knew hewas a runner and I'm a runner
(02:06):
too, and I was like maybe wecould go for a run sometime, you
know, because I just like yeah,yeah and um, and then our label
, our anr at our label, alsoworked with white reaper for a
long time and I think, like likeseven months ago, he was like,
oh yeah, we should do a splitwith white Reaper.
And I was like, well, yeah, likeobviously we should do a split
(02:27):
with white Reaper, dave, youknow, like of course I want to
do a split with a band that Ilove, um, but I didn't realize
that he was like actually teeingit up and he went to them and
was like, hey, you guys shoulddo a split with spiritual cramp,
and I think that they're allall I know, that they're all
(02:51):
fans of our band and uh, and soyeah, getting getting to just
meet them naturally.
And then the label was likekind of helping push that from
their end and we're all fans.
So, yeah, we're so stoked.
Um, the song is funny because,like when I recorded the vocals
for that song, I think it waslike one of the last songs that
I recorded for the lp sessionsand I was just smoked at the
time right like I just my brainwas goo and I was just so sick
(03:17):
of making music at that pointand I was just like man I it was
.
It was all gray out in LA too, Idon't know if you remember like
last April or May, but it wasgray for like 35 days in a row
and it was during that periodwhere I was recording my vocals
and so I just like it was justlike kind of coming at the tail
end of like me doing a lot ofwork and I was feeling really
(03:40):
smoked and and uh, so the songkind of came out kind of dark,
you know yeah, yeah but I'm notlike that.
I'm not like really a darkperson.
Really I'm kind of a bubbly guy.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So well, that's good to know.
Well, sometimes you know that'sthat's, that's what the art is
there for.
You know it's, it's, it'ssupposed to accept you at your
uh, your happiest and yoursaddest, your highest and your
saddest, your highest and yourlowest.
And you know, I think anyartist, musician, honestly,
anyone who's ever done a fairamount of work in their life
(04:11):
understands that feeling.
But there's a special type ofpride you get when you're
writing for an album, whenyou're just, you know the last
thing.
You're just, you're overwritinglyrics, you're overplaying
guitar, you're over trying tocome up with ideas, you're over
tracking.
You're just.
You're just, you're overwritinglyrics.
You're over playing guitar,you're over trying to come up
with ideas.
You're over tracking.
You're just, you're fried.
And you know everyone to acertain extent.
(04:33):
Sometimes it's the songwriter,sometimes it's the producer, but
there's always someone who'sthere to be like, hey, just what
if you write just one more song?
just one more song just keepgoing, just keep going, and then
and then, eventually you hit awall and you're like no, that's
it, the record's done, I'm done,it's all good well because you
can keep working on the recordforever if you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You know you could keep saying, oh well, that could
be hookier, that could be alittle simpler or whatever.
Like there's not, there'snothing stopping you from just
like making a record for sixyears if you wanted to, and, um,
and yeah, it is helpful to havepeople around like producers or
people with a label who canjust be like, hey, like you're
(05:18):
about two songs out, right,because in my head, like I have
no idea, I get lost in amicroscope.
You know, I'm so close to it.
Yeah, um, that song wasdefinitely written during that
time, but I think it turned outgood and you know, kind of like
it's kind of got.
Like us we were trying to gofor like a more kind of strokesy
vibe.
Yeah, you know, kind of justthese like down like almost
(05:38):
ramonesy meets strokes like, andhe's just down picked like
simple, really rudimentary, likereal, real, kind of like my
first band type riffs, um, andit turned out good yeah, man,
it's a killer tune.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Uh, you know, you can pre-order the vinyl now.
I think it drops on may 16th,right, yeah?
that's right thanks and you, yougotta love a split seven inch.
You know there's, know it'ssplit seven inches.
And you guys are playing showstogether.
Obviously later in the yearSome East Coast dates with White
Reaper Shout out, White Reaper,Tony we had Tony on the show
here Another great voice man.
(06:15):
You guys both have incrediblevoices and you know the split
seven inch for everybody outthere, it's all love on a split
seven inch for everybody outthere, it's, it's, it's all love
on a split seven inches.
You know there's there's nomoney in seven inches anyway,
but there's really no money on asplit seven inch.
It's very much so.
Artists to artists and just, youknow, normally, as you know,
bands evolve and they get older.
(06:36):
The the split seven inchbecomes rarer and rarer.
It becomes like a thing whereyou see a band you're like're
like dude, we should do a splitseven inch and it's like it's
never gonna happen, you know so,uh, when they do happen, it's,
it's awesome and this is areally cool.
Uh, split what?
What's the b-side on it?
Is there gonna be a b-side?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
it's just, it's yeah, yeah, so there's a.
So that's our song that wewrote, and I wrote all the
lyrics and tony sang on it, yeahthe other song and that will
come out as well, obviously isthe White Reaper song, and I
sing on the White Reaper song.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Hell yeah, dude, and it's really catchy.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Their song is, in my opinion, better than ours.
Awesome man.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Speaking about voices , speaking about singing.
What do you think are?
You know what makes a goodfront person to you?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
First, you have to know how to sing on key.
And you have to know how tosing on key in the studio and
you have to do it at shows.
You have to be a really goodsinger at shows.
That's baseline, in my opinion.
You can't be getting on stageand, like you know, just singing
off key Like I see a lot ofsingers who can get into studios
(07:49):
.
You know they use a bunch ofauto tune.
It'll make their punk bandsound good.
And then you see them live andit's like oh, you can't actually
sing and your producer justmade you sing.
So I think that's the mostimportant thing.
Um, and then, I think, theability to be a captivating
person on stage and take peoplewho are watching your band for
(08:13):
lack of a better term through ajourney.
Right, you walk out and like,how are you going to present
yourself to them?
Are you going to?
Because when I go on stage Itake up a lot of space.
I'm like King Kong, likebeating my chest, like hello,
like I'm, I'm a I'm.
I embody this kind of likeother part of me when I'm on
stage.
And you know, like I think thatIggy Pop is an incredible front
(08:36):
person.
I think Pele from the Hives isone of the best front people out
.
Uh, seb from Viagra Boys isincredible, but he's so low-key
with it, right, he embodies thisother thing where he's very
calm and cool down the middleand just kind of says these
funny little quips, whereas Peleor Iggy Pop, they're throwing
(08:57):
mic, stands into the crowd andscreaming at people, and that's
kind of more what I like to do.
Yeah, people, and that's kindof more what I like to do.
Yeah, um, but I think theability to do that and be
planned out and be methodical,right, I can speak to large
groups of people and do so in away that incentivizes them to
(09:19):
get behind what it is thatthey're seeing for the first
time yeah, yeah, you know youwant people when you play live,
like you want to play a show andthen have everyone in the crowd
whispering to the person nextto them Jesus Christ, who was
that guy right or girl orwhatever Like, and I think that
that a lot of times, peoplethink that that's like an
(09:41):
inherent trait in people, but Idon't think it is.
I think it's something that youcan get good at and get better
at and learn.
I mean, you know as you as youwalk down that road of being
like a front person.
You don't really know what itis at first.
You're just like, oh, like I'mlike decent at singing and I can
(10:02):
act like an idiot on stage.
And then you start reallylearning what it means to really
work hard on singing and workhard on being a good front
person and all this stuff.
So it's been a journey.
I mean.
I'm sure that you can relate.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Oh, yeah, for sure, and I agree with you on all that
stuff, but it's the best.
I mean, singing in a band isthe best, and Seb is awesome.
Love him, pele.
You guys are playing with theHives later this year, right?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We are, yeah, we're very excited about that.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, pele's the homie man, that band is so
awesome and so cool.
And yeah, that's LA and OrangeCounty, right.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, we're doing Orange County with the Heights.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Awesome.
That's going to be sick.
Talking a little bit about theband here, the band started.
What 2017?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, 2017.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
2017.
First album, television,dropped in 2018.
Incredible album, two EPsbefore you dropped the
self-titled album last NovemberFor everyone listening go back
and listen to.
You got to listen to everythingthis band has put out first
album, eps, everything inbetween because everything is
(11:16):
great, man, it's really reallycool and the band is evolving
into something that I'm reallyexcited to watch and listen to
and to see.
And I was curious just kind ofdiving into songwriting a little
bit.
You know what's your processlyrically.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Man, I am like struggling with that right now.
I have to write lyrics for these15 songs that we're supposed to
be recording next month andlike it just depends, right,
I'll hit play on one of thesedemos and like a hook I really a
lot of my brain is focused on.
Is this something that I wouldlisten to?
(11:57):
Because I like hooky pop music?
Right, I like repetitive, bigchoruses, I like big produced
music.
I kind of always have.
But you know, I like smallstuff too, and if I can like hum
out a hook for a song and thenusually what will happen is my
brain will just subconsciouslystart saying some words.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And as my brain starts saying words, I'll
realize that I'm I'm talkingabout something right, that I
don't even think that like I'mprocessing, and I'll realize, oh
, like, I'm like subconsciouslyspeaking words about being
frustrated or subconsciouslyspeaking words about people who
(12:40):
run their mouths online, like,or whatever.
Um, or the inverse of that is,sometimes I'll just be reading a
book or listening to a podcastor driving, and something a
little one-liner will pop intomy head, yeah, and I'll be like,
oh man, I gotta, I gotta, Igotta remember that that's a
cool one-liner, right, and I'llbuild a song off that.
(13:02):
I think like the song city onfire on our lp.
I was watching tv, or somethingright, and someone said
something about a city on fireand I was like man that's a
badass concept for a punk song,or, you know, like, like, like
television, right, like.
I look at tvs and radios and Ijust think about the symbology
(13:23):
of these things in punk rockmusic, right, and how, the use
of, you know, in pop culture,mtv, and there's just these
things that inspire what I wantthe sonic and visual language of
our band to convey, right, andthose things are old 80s punk,
(13:47):
rap music from the 90s, you know, public enemy, the class, you
know it's like there's thisdefined thing that I want to
express.
So I I try to think in thelanes of what those defined
things that I want to expressare.
Right, I'm not gonna.
I'm not gonna like.
I mean, I did do a love song onthe record, but that was like
(14:08):
me being on my in my morrisseybag.
You know what I?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
mean like I was, like you know, I was like, or am I
in my inner?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
pool bag, right, like it, like, it's like, like.
But those things like Morrisseyand inner pool and Cox bar and
the clash, it's like.
Those are my frames ofreference when I'm saying words
or creating a verbal languagefor spiritual craft.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, that's awesome man.
Yeah, it's always an ongoingprocess.
Lyric writing I think you gothrough so many different phases
as an artist.
Being tuned in is somethingthat I think has really
benefited me over the years,especially recently, because
that's where the new ideas comefrom.
Like you're saying, if you hearsomething you know just passing
(14:57):
by, or you know you readsomething on a billboard, or you
hear something on the TV or youknow.
So those are the ideas, thelittle ones that always kind of
spark new thought and can leadyou in a whole different
direction.
For me, I realized as a writerwriter especially lyrically like
going to the quote-unquote,well it's, it's like, uh, you
(15:18):
know it's, it's a slippery slope, you know, because I feel like,
like you're saying, you knowyou have a frame of reference
that you want to go to for thisband and you know, with the
bronx it's a different frame ofreference than an l bronx.
But, um, you know, sometimesyou you can't.
Sometimes, if you try to stickwithin that, it just you'll find
(15:39):
it.
Over the years it just getssmaller and smaller and smaller,
you know and you're.
you're just kind of like fuck,and you know you got to find
your ways, your ways out thatway too, cause, um, you know,
riding's a tricky thing foreverybody, cause it's everyone's
different about it, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, totally it's, because it's everyone's
different about it, you know.
Yeah, totally it's.
It's like, uh, it's like yousaid, it gets smaller and
smaller and like you can feellike it's like starting to box
your body in.
Right, you're like always usethese, that phrase, or I always
sing about this stupid thing, orwhat.
So you have to be a conscious.
You have to consciously go outand see you have to be proactive
(16:13):
and seeking other means ofinspiration.
Right, you have to be go outand see, you have to be
proactive and seeking othermeans of inspiration.
Right, you have to be like okay, I need to be paying attention
right now.
You have to be cognizant ofthings that you don't think
about and try to take them in,which is hard, because it's
really easy to just be a passivehuman being and let the world
inject itself into you and notstop and observe it and take
(16:36):
pieces of it for your art.
So I think I think just beingconscious about it right, and
like seeking out other forms ofinspiration.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely man and it's
good to have a balance of uh,you know, sometimes I fall into
the trap, uh, you know,musically speaking, of taking
things so seriously and tryingto be uh like, like heavy all
the time, you know, or likestuff like that, and man, it's I
mean, it's heavy is good,obviously, but some of my
(17:07):
favorite songs and favoritelyrical moments that I've had or
that I've listened to over theyears some artists I love are
just like you know, they're thelike the weird ideas.
You know, they're the kind ofjust like off the cuff, fun
ideas, stuff like that.
So you really do just gotta be,you gotta be open and aware to
all of it, you know, and thatway it's like you keep evolving.
(17:28):
You don't write yourself into acorner where you're always
writing about the same shit overand over and over again.
You know, um, awesome man, cool, cool.
Uh, let's uh, speaking of theinternet here, yeah, a couple,
we got a couple questions, okay,from the internet.
Uh, I love it.
On which part of the body wouldone might experience a
spiritual cramp?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
uh, I don't know, man .
Uh, that's an interestingquestion.
I think, uh, it's probably.
Uh, I would say, I don't knowif you can, I don't know if
there's a part of your body thatis connected to your spirit, I
guess in your heart maybe, orlike your soul, I mean your
bones, the bones yeah, that'llwork that'll work.
(18:10):
Yeah, the knee your brain, yourbrain probably is where that
all comes from, so I thinkthat's where you experience it.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Who is the?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
GOAT of Bay Area Punk and Hardcore Fuck.
That's such a sick question.
Max Wickham I think Max Wickhamfor sure, or Kenny Turner, from
Turner from fentanyl, is kindof a goat for sure.
I am definitely a Bay area goat.
Ross Farrar is a Bay area goat.
(18:43):
My wife, barbara Thompson, isalso a Bay area goat, but she's
not a Bay area punk and hardcoregoat, she's just like a
standard world goat.
There's a lot of goats.
Oh great, grace Coleman, butGrace isn't really involved in
hardcore punk either.
Goat, she's just like astandard world goat.
There's a lot of goats.
Oh you great, grace coleman,but grace isn't really involved
in hardcore punk either.
She's just like a recordingrecord producer who's the best?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
who's the best band out of the bay, you think?
Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
shoot, that's such a loaded question.
Um, okay, I like slugger.
They're kind of out of chicoand santa cruz.
Uh, I think spiritual cramp isthe best band out of the bay
straight up.
But, um, deaf heaven, I, I,they're, they're, they're still
based out of the bay area.
Gulch was, gulch was for sure apretty buff band.
(19:28):
Sour widows, um, from sanfrancisco or oakland, from San
Francisco or Oakland.
They're pretty good.
There's so many.
What's that band on Slumberland?
My friends at the band Neutralsjust put out some new music.
They're pretty good.
They're pretty good.
That sounds really good.
I love you, alan.
There's so many, it's hard tokeep track of all the wonderful
(19:52):
bands.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
It's a really cool time rightnow in punk and hardcore.
And one thing that you guyskind of remind me of Bronx in a
way, where you're a punk bandthat's kind of coming up in a
hardcore scene.
You know what I mean.
I mean, you're part of the punkscene as well, obviously, but
it's interesting sometimes beinga punk band in a hardcore scene
(20:14):
, obviously, but it'sinteresting sometimes being a
punk band in a hardcore sceneand sometimes, like for us, we
were always kind of like theweird band on the bill, but it's
a good thing to kind of be theodd band out.
You know, you guys have anykind of weird experiences like
that.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
As you might imagine for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Well, like, okay, okay.
So here's the thing is when westarted we were like, I think,
our first, our first four showsoutside of the bay area sans one
, in a way, um, we're withturnstile and our friends in the
story so far and drug church,right.
So by off off the bat we wereplaying hardcore shows.
(20:55):
And then American Nightmaretook us out on a US tour, but
Pissed Jeans was on some ofthose shows, right, so we
weren't necessarily the odd bandout.
And then we went on tour withradioactivity, which was awesome
we're all big fans.
And then we went on tour withbeach fossils and waves Right.
(21:16):
So that is, and that was likethe.
Those were the first like fourtours we ever did.
So it was kind of just likethrowing darts at a dartboard
and they were all in differentplaces and we felt pretty
comfortable in all of them.
So we started exploring all ofthose things, right, like indie
rock with beach fossils and punkwith radioactivity, and then,
(21:38):
like the top 40, hardcore with,with turnstile and I think the
only place that like like reokay.
So recently our friends play inthe band unbroken and one of my
very good friends is the bassplayer of Unbroken.
His name's Rob Moran.
He's a tremendous guy.
You probably had him on theshow or you probably know him.
(22:01):
But Rob said hey, mike, we'regoing to do a show in Philly and
we would love if SpiritualCramp could play with Unbroken.
It was blacklistedUnbrokenbroken spiritual cramp.
I think scarab played,magnitude played.
It was a capital h hardcore showand we got up on that stage in
(22:24):
philly and like during that setthere's a video of it People
were just, they just stood thereand there was.
You could tell about half ofthem were like I can't beat
anyone up to this, I don't wantanything to do with this, and
this is you guys are whackBecause we're California punks,
right, we're not hardcore kids,we're like punks.
(22:47):
And then the other half of thecrowd was like yes, and then the
other half of the crowd waslike, yes, right, but they, but
they weren't.
They were there because theywere going to, like you know, go
crazy for Unbroken andBlacklisted in their hometown,
right, which makes total sense.
But I think that show for us,like we really did feel the
crowd there.
You could feel that there was alot of them who did not know
(23:09):
what the fuck was going on infront of them.
Who did not know what the fuckwas going on in front of them,
yeah, but like the, the flipside of that coin is like the
next time we went to philly, Ihad like five people walk up to
me and be like hey, fyi, like Isaw you with unbroken and you
blew my mind.
So in the moment, things canvery viscerally feel like we're
not supposed to be here, thesehardcore people don't like us
(23:32):
and I don't want to do thisanymore.
And then six months later,you're back playing the same
venue, the church and the entirecrowd singing along and half of
them are like hey, like justFYI, I feel with you guys hadn't
played that show, I wouldn'tknow who we were.
So I just think that, like youcould feel, however it is, you
feel in the moment Right and belike this sucks, like they don't
, they don't understand me, I'ma punk.
(23:55):
And then like later on, it'slike dude, like cause you
feelings aren't facts Right.
Like what you're feeling in themoment is not true.
It doesn't mean if you feelafraid or you feel like an odd
man out, like I said, it doesn'tmatter, because there are
people in that crowd who arelike yo, I know exactly what
you're doing.
I love madness.
They're like I love drum andbass, you know, or whatever.
(24:17):
But I think that show inparticular was one where, off
the rip, I was like man, thatwas awful and then, as it
softened a little, I was like,oh well, we were just a punk
band playing Blacklisted'sHometown Reunion show.
Of course they're not going tomosh each other into oblivion,
they're just going to watch andclap and tweet songs.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I mean, it's a trip man.
It's rad as a musician becauseit's just you're playing and
it's cool.
And, like you're saying,sometimes it's weird, sometimes
it's not, but at the end of theday, who the fuck cares?
It's cool.
It's cool being I like beingthe band that, like you're
saying, can play with a bunch ofdifferent types of bands.
(25:01):
You know, I remember, like whenwe, when the first bronx record
came out, we were signed onferret, yeah, and so, like we
did, we did like hell fest 2003,and it was like what the fuck
are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Right, I mean, I have always felt like a kinship with
the Bronx.
I mean, we just met each otherright now, but the way that your
band moves, it's like Iremember you guys were on tour
with the Hives Refused and theBronx yeah, yeah, yeah.
But then you're also like doingmariachi alabronx at the same
time, and I just remember beinglike these guys are trying to
(25:38):
occupy a lot of space and I lovethat, because that's what I
like to do as well.
Right, like, yeah, I'm a fan of, I'm a fan of turnstile and I'm
a fan of beach fossils and I'ma fan of, I'm a fan of turnstile
and I'm a fan of beach fossilsand I'm a fan of, I'm a fan of
all of these things and I wantto be in those rooms and I I've.
I feel like the Bronx is a bandthat does a really good job of
(25:59):
doing the same kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I appreciate that At the end of the day, you don't.
You know it's like art is toexperience and to live and to
share, and and to live and toshare, and no one wants to be
boxed in, even if the box isawesome.
You know, it's like.
You know, you just eventually,you know, creatively speaking,
(26:21):
you want to be able to dodifferent things and and to
fully express yourself on, youknow, the complete spectrum of
life.
Yeah, it's just cool, man, Iwas.
I wanted to rap with you aboutthat Because I know how funny it
can be.
Sometimes we did like a whencrack the sky came out, we did
like macedon and converge, whoaand dude it was.
I mean, I mean it was greatbecause you know we're we're
(26:43):
friends and it was awesome asgreat memories, but I mean not
necessarily the biggest bronxaudience.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, that for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
But you know but was.
But it was cool and, likeyou're saying, that tour
specifically was one of thoseones where it was like you'd
find people down the road.
They'd be like dude.
I saw you guys at Macedon and Icouldn't really act like I was
into it, but I was really intoit Totally.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Those things do move the needle right, it's just.
But they feel like, like in themoment, you're like man, what
did we do?
What you know and get me out ofhere.
Even even those turnstile storyso far shows that we opened up
like we were freaking thoselittle kids out, for sure, and
but that was in 2017, right,when I didn't have my my stage
(27:29):
swag yet.
Like, my stage swag is turned upnow and I would know how to
like, I know how to work thatcrowd now, but back then I was
just like I was on some fuck you, fuck you punk rock.
You know what I'm.
You, you don't understand mebecause I'm a real punk type
bullshit and and I was scaringthe hoes at the at that show,
(27:49):
you know, but like, but like,but it's like you know, even
even with like that, that thathardcore crowd, well, you know,
at that church show, like afterdoing it once, now I understand
what it is and like I could doit again and I think I could do
it better next time, you knowyeah, yeah, and shout out to the
church.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
we've played there a couple times.
Oh yeah, the legendary venue.
So much fun playing there.
So, much fun.
Okay, another question here.
This is kind of a hot topicright here.
Okay, in 2024, does the merchperson deserve 100% of the tips?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Oh my gosh, I just found out that some bands don't
give them 100% of the tips.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, bands are pissed, bands are taking the
tips back.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, I'm not going to take our merch person's tips.
I will say, though, that ifyou're watching this and you
don't have a lot of context for,like you know how much money is
made on like a tour, you canpretty much bet that the merch
person, for whatever band it isthat you're gonna go see, is
(29:00):
probably making more than theband members.
It depends, you know, but, likeI have friends who are in like
pretty big band bands who selllike you know they'll sell out
like three thousand.
I mean pretty big quote,unquote.
You know they'll sell out likethree.
I mean pretty big quote,unquote.
You know they'll sell 3 000tickets in new york or la yeah,
yeah and like like my homie wastelling me the other day.
He was like yeah, like our merchperson for sure makes way more
(29:22):
money on tour than we do, whichis bonkers.
I got into the wrong business,um yeah, it's, it's one.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
It's one of those things where I because I, I
can't, I can't do it either, Idon't have the heart to do it,
yeah, but it's like, uh, yeah,there's a lot of bands right now
saying, well, you know whenthey're, when they're tipping
they're, you know they're notnecessarily tipping the merch
person, they're tipping the band, and it's like, yes, that's a
fair point.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I mean, that's the thing is like like there's so
little money to go around right,that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
There's not enough meat on the bone.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
They got us attacking each other now yeah so it's
like when, when there's like anextra 400 a night to look at on
a budget sheet, like you'relooking at that, and you're like
, fuck man, that'd be greatbecause we were just out for 45
days and that would put anotherthree thousand dollars in my
(30:19):
pocket, right, which is likeyeah, which is sick, um, that's
my rent, or whatever.
But see, we haven't even, we'relike not even there yet you
know what I mean, like ourband's, like not even to the
point, like actually that's why.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
That's why you gotta start splitting them now,
because once you get there, yeah, yeah, no, I think uh I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I've heard that it's.
I've heard that it's a bad formto cap your merch person's tips
.
Someone's told me that's like awhispered about thing that if
you're a band who caps yourmerch person's tips In the merch
community.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, I heard that there are people who whisper in
group chats about you.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, no one wants to be outed in the merch group
chat.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Oh, no, no, because the merch people are the best
people on earth.
If you're a merch guy andyou're actually making money,
that means you're really cool.
You know what I mean?
Because the bands are like no,this guy's got to come with us,
yeah absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
It's an extended member of the band.
Shout out to all the merchpeople around the world.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Off the top.
Keep your chips.
Mac Miller Goats.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
All right, a couple kind of pick thems here.
Let's see which uh which whichyou're going with.
Okay, you got Gigi Allen orDarby crash.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Darby crash.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Easy Iggy popper.
David Bowie.
Iggy pop, Easy Danzig or themisfits.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Oh, uh.
I think I would say Dancing.
Just because those first threerecords are so disgusting, and
Rick Rubin is a part of it.
It's like listening to theMisfits on Rick Rubin.
Is what listening to thoseDancing records is?
But I mean I do love theMisfits Rubin with that spooky,
(32:10):
spooky ass music.
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, it's so good uh hot snakes or rocket from the
crypt fuck yeah, sick question.
Hot snakes all the way rip rick, yeah, for sure, uh, nirvana or
oasis oasis damn oasisrespectfully I.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I know that's a bit controversial.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Are they ever getting back together, you think?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I almost Nirvana.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Is Oasis getting back together?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Sure, I'm going to be there.
I'm going to be there with mylittle stupid mod haircut you
know what I mean my littleanorak on.
Oh, I'm going to go crazy, sure.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I think I know the answer to this clash of the
pistols fuck like musically, theclash.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And like career, career wise, the clash.
Like their careers are so cooland innovative and they're just
such innovative artists, um, butfrom like a flash in the pan
cultural perspective, I thinkthe sex pistols are pretty cool
too.
They were able to just createthis entire blueprint.
But I think the answer is theClash.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yeah, you listen to the Clash more, right.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, for sure yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I listen to the.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Clash more for sure, but I think there's a place for
safety pins.
It's tight.
I mean Nevermind the.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Bullocks I it's tied.
I mean never mind the bullocksis, it's an all-time album it's
so good, it really is great yeahblack flag or bad brains?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
fucking so sick dude.
These questions are so sick.
Black flag, california.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Uber alice yeah, nice , uh, all right, speaking of
ceremony or dead kennedys.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Fuck man, that's a good, that's insane.
Um, oh, dude, like okay, that'sso divisive because, like
ceremony has just arguably justhad this impact on my life that
like, if it weren't on forceremony, I would not be Mike
(34:11):
from spiritual crap like ross islike I mean that dude, like the
impact that he has had on mylife is just I could, I could
speak for many hours about rossferrari, ceremony, ceremony.
Yeah, even though I do love.
I do love the dead kennedyfucking from san francisco a
couple more questionshypotheticals.
(34:31):
We're going hypothetical here.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
We're going to start with the genie in the bottle,
Whether it's Aladdin it's forsure, robin Williams.
The genie comes out of thebottle.
You got one wish.
What's it going to be?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I'm going to say some crazy shit.
I wish for peace on Earth.
I wish for every living beingto have peace and to have
everything that they want withinreason.
You know, I want everyone onEarth to have the peace that
they're, they are seeking,because if the world, if
everyone had that piece man, ohmy god, yeah it'd be
(35:09):
unbelievable.
But then we have no war, we'dhave no punk rock, right.
We have nothing to rebelagainst, so I don't know.
I think peace on earth at amillion dollars and the power to
be invisible that's three,that's three, that's three you
got, one you got we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
We're gonna stick with peace on earth, invisible
would be pretty tight yeah, uh,bill and ted wild stallions,
come down phone booth timemachine anywhere, any era in
history.
Where are you going first andwhy?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I'm gonna go to ramon's new year's eve show in
new york city on 1979, in 1979,uh, what was it?
They played the palladium in1979.
Yeah, with Alda Verda or Iforget the name of the band.
It was this other Sire Recordsband.
But I'm going to go to thatshow first and then I'll just
(35:56):
walk around after that and seewhere it takes me.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Hell yeah, that's a good answer, that's a good
answer.
All right, here's the lasthypothetical here.
Okay, your manager, ryan, shoutout.
Ryan, he calls you, you're onthe road.
Okay, let's set it up here.
You're on the road, maybesomewhere in the Midwest, maybe
(36:18):
it's not really that great of atour.
You're kind of getting your asskicked.
You might be thinking aboutyour life a little bit.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, been there.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
And your manager calls you and he says, mike B.
You're never going to believethis, but I just got an email
from Nickelback.
Chad Kroger lost his mind.
He's out.
The band has thought about it.
They got their ears to theground.
(36:53):
They've been looking at a lotof different people cats, yeah,
yeah, hip cats, hip cats yeah,they want you to replace chad
kroger and nickelback.
Okay, you get a $500,000signing bonus.
Okay, you're going to beheadlining arena tours in Canada
.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
By this summer, okay, but you got to make the call
right now.
Do you do it or no?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Okay, a couple of questions.
Okay, first off, what happensto all the royalties?
Does chad keep his royalties ordo I?
Am I taking over publishing andmaster?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
well, okay, let's, let's say this, let's say that
you're also signing on for a onerecord deal, but any, I mean,
you know you'll get, you'll getsome live performance, you know
royalties but you know, inhis'll get some live performance
royalties, but you know, andhis share of the live
performance fees.
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
And one more question Is the band dead set on touring
for like at least like two orthree years?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, you're going to be the new face of Nickelback.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Let's go.
I'm like a thousand percent.
I'm like all in on nickelbackand fucking, fuck spiritual cram
and fuck everyone in that band.
Yeah, respectfully, I'm fuckingout and my baby is about to eat
.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
My girls are going to eat good yes, yeah, hell, yeah,
awesome, uh, all right, um,real quick.
This is the Sailor Jerrypodcast.
Norman Collins, traditionaltattoo godfather.
I know you are on your way tobecoming a tat daddy here at
some point, because you've got acouple.
(38:38):
What was your first tattoo andwhat was your most recent one?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Oh my gosh, this is so awesome.
My first tattoo was a tattooright here on my arm.
I was like 17 and I got a shyhalloo tattoo.
Yeah, yeah, I, I know I.
I was like, well, how do I lieabout this?
I'm like just gonna say it.
Um, and it's a, you remember,derrick has the artist yeah,
(39:03):
it's a derrick has designed shialu tattoo.
Um, which is so fucking crazy,but uh, I still have it to be
honest.
Um, okay, what was my mostrecent tattoo?
Uh, something on my stomach,probably nice, yeah shout out to
matt house at um.
I don't know.
I think he just opened up hisown private studio, but he was
(39:24):
working at idle hands at thetime.
Matt's a great tattoo artistawesome, cool.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, I was gonna just ask you if there was any,
uh, if you had to go to artistsor if there's anyone you wanted
to give a shout out to.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
That's awesome idle hands, san francisco, oh, hell
yeah awesome, awesome.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Mike b uh, spiritual cramp.
Last question here, a littlebit of a doozy, but I think
you're ready for it.
I'm ready.
What?
What to you, is the meaning oflife?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
What is the meaning of life?
The meaning of life to me is tobe I wish I had like a funny
joke answer, but I don't have ajoke answer.
I can honestly tell you what Ithink skill.
(40:10):
And I think it's a skill tolook around and just be thankful
for everything I have every dayand live peacefully with
everything that I have.
Because if suffering isrelative, right, like it's like
a Buddhist thing if you haveeverything or if you have
nothing, you can create the samespace of happiness inside of
your head.
And I just I'm someone who getscaught up on prizes, right, like
(40:33):
I want all the prizes, right, Iwant a cool house and I want to
be in a popular band, I wanteveryone to like me.
But like those things don'tever satiate, right.
They never have all the coolclothes in the world and all the
attention and all the money inthe world.
It never satiated me.
The only thing that satiates meis when I look around and I
kind of take stock and what'sright in front of me and I I
(40:57):
focus on living in the present.
So I think that's the meaningof life.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Hell yeah, my man.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Appreciate you.
Mike man, it's been greattalking with you.
Thank you very.
Popular Podcasts
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Therapy Gecko
An unlicensed lizard psychologist travels the universe talking to strangers about absolutely nothing. TO CALL THE GECKO: follow me on https://www.twitch.tv/lyleforever to get a notification for when I am taking calls. I am usually live Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays but lately a lot of other times too. I am a gecko.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.